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April 12, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Thunder Strikes - Shadow People. R.C. Hoagland - Monuments of Mars

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning across this great land of ours and beyond, the island of Guam in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M., and I'm Art Bell.
		You're not going to believe what we've got in the first hour for you.
		You must immediately go to my website at www.artbell.com.
		You must then immediately click on Program and Tonight's Guest Info.
		In the first hour, you'll see Richard C. Hogan just before thunder strikes in the second hour on Shadow People and click on the image that says DNM, that's what it's saying, DNM letters.
		Click on that and get ready to have your mind blown by Richard C. Hoagman.
		This has been kept under the rock for a while.
		We'll explain as best he can.
		Let's see.
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		Now, more and more FM stations, you may have noticed, are beginning to pick us up.
		And just for you FMers out there, we have gone to 128-bit audio.
		I really neglected to say this to you for a while, but we've gone to 128-bit audio, which is superb.
		And it should sound really good on FM radio stations.
		Don't know if you'll notice a difference on AM.
unidentified		You may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some pretty doggone good AM stations out there.
		You get a lot of high-end.
		But we've made a big improvement.
		Also, I talked to one of the really big powers that be in our company earlier today.
		And when XM Radio makes its debut, that's the satellite right down to car type thing, XM Radio, this program will be there, I am told.
		Now, you might want to know, we'll be there, cutting edge all the way.
		When it happens, we're cutting.
		In a moment, I'm presuming that you're going to my website right now and looking at these photographs.
		Get ready for the story behind them.
		It's a total mind-blower.
		Richard C. Hoagland has it.
		He will also address the rumor of this latest shock to Mars, whether there was actually a controversy about whether to include Richard's picture along with Sir Arthur's or not.
		big controversy there at NASA, but that could be just a rumor.
		NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology All right, I know not everybody has a computer.
		What we have here are pictures of the DNM area on Mars, which clearly, clearly show some writing.
		So quickly get to my website.
		If not, you're going to have to understand that what we're dealing with here are photographs of Mars that show lettering.
		Either somebody took a pen and actually wrote on these photographs, that's unlikely, and you'll get to chain of custody and find out why in a moment, or I don't know what.
		God, what a story.
		So get up there and take a look.
		Here is Richard C. Holland, advisor to NASA, to Walter Cronkite, and winner of the Angstrom Medal for Science and so much more.
		Richard, what about that big flight within NASA to include your picture with Sir Arthur C. Clark?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Darn, you actually heard about that, huh?
		A little later in this hour, we're going to get to another email that my friend Arthur Clark has been sending you.
		This one was sent, I guess, Saturday on the 7th to the team that just launched the Mars Odyssey back to Mars.
		And there's some very interesting stuff contained in that email, which everybody's going to want to hear about.
		But first, let's talk about this picture.
		It's too bad that most people don't have computers yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before we do, Richard, last night's program, the program I did here.
		Yes.
		Anybody who left that program early last night was out of their minds.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They missed something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was, well, what do you think?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a quintessentially hyperdimensional.
		I mean, the idea that aliens come to Earth, pick a guy up, and basically teach him how to build a granite spacecraft is serial box stuff.
		It's Looney Tunes.
		Unless you listen carefully as the program tracked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		As this reporter you interviewed unveiled a story, as people called in with clippings and confirmation that this guy's been doing this since the 70s and blowing out power grids and people have got photographs of one of these things escaping one of these models and all this.
		You know, it's, to me, it's part of the mega pattern, which is somebody, see, now that we've got ruins on Mars, now that we know there's really stuff and folks out there, you can say this with a straight face, which is if we really have relatives, if the model is that the human race has kind of been cut adrift from its previous history and there are folks doing things out there and there's a whole busy commerce and civilization and,
		you know, federation and God knows what else going on that we're not aware of because we're kept in the dark, it stands to reason that somebody from time to time will say, oh, those poor benighted souls, we've got to bring them into the family again.
		And they'll keep trying various venues to introduce us to the idea that, no, we're not exactly alone after all.
		And he made a big point about talking how they looked exactly like us.
unidentified		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's important.
		And a lot of the detail, I think, is kind Of clever smokescreen.
		In other words, you're not supposed to believe everything.
		Between the noise, there's real signal.
		Between the noise, there's real stuff you can use to let us bootstrap ourselves out of the mess we're in.
		And we've got forces on this planet, as we talk about on the show all the time, that don't want us to know what's really going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it all, last night, again, it all sort of fell into place bit by bit, and then your brain went, hmm.
		There's a special art form tonight, Richard.
		We better get on with it.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Let me do one more thing.
		When he started talking about the rings and the balls and the rocking underneath the spacecraft, I clearly recognized a phenomenon called forced precession.
		Remember how he said that that brings the energy in from the other dimension to allow this thing to fly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the faster it flies, the faster it flies.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, and unless you have a governor to control the mechanical part, it will run away with itself.
		It's called positive feedback.
		That's exactly the problem with hyperdimensional physics and technology.
		Unless there is a negative feedback loop, unless you have a brake on it, it will run away with itself.
		So there were so many things about that that rang true to what we have figured out that we haven't published yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the end of the program last night, my mind was going a million miles an hour, and I couldn't stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was runaway.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		The key part was, see, the granite part.
		You don't have to build a spacecraft out of granite.
		That's obviously what they want us to think about in terms of these ancient monuments like Stonehenge and the Miami Circle and the other things to connect back to our own heritage back when we knew this stuff before we were cut off from the rest of the family.
		So there's levels in this tale, and I really want to get the book and read carefully what this guy's written.
		And then I'd like to go with you up there and see this thing.
unidentified		Can we do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we probably could, Richard.
		You know, I too really want to see it.
		So, you know, let's proceed quietly.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, because this poor fellow, it was said last night, and I believe it.
		If we approach this without caution, we're going to cause him a lifetime of grief.
		Exactly.
		So, all right, yes, we'll talk privately.
		Now, these photos, first, they are of, Three years.
		Oh, my God.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Literally three years from four nights ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are the photographs are of the DNM region?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They were on the first image strip that Malin took in 1998 on April 5th that Cam Donneller posted on the JPL website the morning about 10.30 Pacific on April 6th, and we discussed that night.
		They were at the very bottom.
		They are at the very bottom.
		I found them a couple, three days into this exercise, you know, as you were looking with microscopes at this whole digital image.
		I noticed on the DNM pyramid, which about half of the pyramid got photographed in that first low-angle pass, and as I was working on enhancements and doing this and trying to eliminate noise and, you know, cursing the fact that it was such a lousy picture, you know, that cat box image as a Mr. Art Bell has now made immortal the world over, I saw this stuff on the DNM on the right-hand side, on the upper right of that arm that sticks up on those Viking images.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I said, holy it's writing.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It is clearly Arabic writing.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It is two lines of script.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arabic.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Arabic writing.
		Arabic letters, A's, B's, F's, D's, whatever.
		In the middle, there are two A's linking kind of on a diagonal, the two lines.
		The script is oriented exactly normal on the picture.
		In other words, you don't have to rotate the image or cock your head or whatever.
		It's just looking at the frame.
		There are these big letters, and they're about 150 feet tall if they're on Mars, if they're on the pyramid in terms of the scale of the image.
		Now, I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, holy whatever, this is the biggest discovery because the first thing that popped into my mind is, this ain't on Mars.
		There's no way that, quote, Martians, millions of years ago, when this stuff was done by all the models we've worked on for 20 years, would A, have invented the Arabic alphabet, B, have put them on the pyramid in a way that they could have survived dust storms and erosion and ultraviolet and all the other stuff for millions of years, and then would have known what the orientation should be.
		So they just happened to be nice and right side up when we took a picture millions of years later.
		It just didn't seem to be in the cards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll pretty much buy that, but before you get to your model, let's talk about the chain of custody of these photographs, what are now photographs at least, on the website.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's real important.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because part of the agreement with NASA to get this picture in April of 98, that mail-in kicking and screaming and saying, oh, this is the worst stupid thing science has ever done, and I need $400,000 from headquarters to take these pictures.
		All that went on.
		Remember all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vividly.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		The agreement was that the picture would be taken.
		There would be notice given before, which they did this time, three years ago.
		They would take the picture.
		They would then downlink it to the JPL computers and then down to Mailon's computers, which is in San Diego, 300 miles south of Los Angeles.
		And he would put them promptly up on the web with absolutely nothing done.
		They would be raw data, and there would be no comment, no sniping from the Pima Gallery of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of that I clearly remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you are saying these digital pictures basically came from Mars.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, through some computers.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But basically untampered, completely.
		Well, that's what was supposed to happen.
		Supposed to be untampered with.
		Completely, right?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep.
		So, but let me tell you what really happened.
		The pictures were taken around midnight on the 5th, just after midnight on April the 5th.
		They didn't get to the public for 36 hours later, across that half weekend, from Sunday night to Monday morning, Sunday night just after midnight Pacific time, they were on Earth.
		They were literally in JPL's computers.
		But for 36 hours, they laid there untouched until Nalen at 9 o'clock on Monday morning ostensibly picked them off his version of the web, the international web, did something with them for an hour and a half in his computers, spipped them back up to JPL where at 10.30 they were put up for everybody on the world to see.
		So for 36 hours, we don't know what the chain of custody was because they were not promptly posted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there's no reason to believe, at least with solid evidence, that anybody put in Egyptian lettering on Mars.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Of course there is.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because there's 36 missing hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but 36 missing hours does not, in a court of law, even come close to indicting anybody for putting, for sneaking Arabic letters on Mars.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		In a court of law, you need means, motive, and opportunity.
		Here we have the means.
		is they call a digital mask, right?
		The motive is to basically The opportunity is at 36 hours.
		So you've got all three prerequisites.
		Let me tell you why I, from the beginning, was a constant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But to convict, you'd never get a conviction, Richard, unless you approved your case beyond a shadow of a doubt.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying we have a controversy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A shadow of a doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying we've got a controversy here.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying we have an indictment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying controversy.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		This is what is so important and why these letters are so interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't need that much proof for an indictment, so maybe an indictment.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me tell you why I've been suspicious from the get-go.
		All right.
		Because that image was so bad.
		Remember how we went on the show and we talked about histograms and grayscales?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then finally I said chatbots.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It was like a damn.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		There was almost no data left in the image?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I have always maintained that that was not a raw image from that spacecraft.
		It was a second-generation copy to which things had been done.
		Now, JPL actually admits on its website that they did a little more to it than they admitted three years ago.
		There's another line where they've added an additional filtering that they used on this.
		So my simplest hypothesis, you know, Occam's razor, is if I find English letters, because the Arabic alphabet is the English alphabet.
		It's the one we write with every day.
		If I find English letters on a photograph from Mars, it ain't Martians.
		The odds are it's terrestrial people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to call up Occam's razor on my side of the argument.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		More likely they're on Mars?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's more likely, unless we have absolute proof that somebody, after all, Richard, you've got to admit, it would be a little weird for somebody to put Arabic lettering late at night on some photograph.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Not at all, because in the model, you know, remember, we have honest folks and we have dishonest folks in this storyline.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And somebody, you know, my model was, and this is three years ago, that somebody who was honest, working either at JPL or mail-in shop, was so affronted by what was going on, that this image had been so distorted and misused and, you know, basically hoaxed for the world to see and then rather to basically say, oh, it's just a pile of rocks and all those other things, that they put these letters on as a whistleblowing signal that the things are safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't reject that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't reject it.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But it's the more likely hypothesis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way I looked at the whole story tonight with these photographs, which people are going to go, oh my God, and knowing the supposed chain of custody, I'll give you that.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That either way, it's a monstrous story.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Either something 36 hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I am, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either the stuff is really on Mars, which would demand that Malin go back and take more photographs right now of the same exact area.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And you put your finger on a key test.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		If you were to do that and not keep them, but as soon as they were downlinked, put them up immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if it really is there, Richard?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, then we go to the next level, which is how do Arabic letters get on Mars millions of years ago?
		But you see, the simpler explanation is they're a fake to tell us that the image was a fake.
		And remember how important this image was.
		The whole world is waiting on the edge of their chairs, where they're holding their breath, turning blue, waiting to see if the damn face on Mars is really a face.
		And they take the worst picture at the worst angle with the worst lighting, with the worst processing at the worst time of year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing, Richard.
		Just amazing.
		And I wish Occam was here to judge.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's do a poll.
		The rest of the evening, why don't we have folks call in and just vote?
		Just say which they think is more likely, that they're on earth because it was a hoax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Richard, trust me, let's not do that.
		We have too much to talk about.
		Let's have them vote by email.
		They can take photos themselves and they can vote by email.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And then you'll announce like tomorrow night what they say.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you a good, clean, honest percentage.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but that's unquestioned.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think these letters are some sort of conspiratorial nod of the head saying, look, all of this we're doing right now is a hoax and crap, and so we're putting this in so you're sure that's what it is?
		Or do you think it really might be on Mars?
		And you might add in your response, folks, which you think would be the bigger story?
		It's hard to imagine.
		Now, Richard, why did you hold on to this for three years?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is the important part of the story.
		I held on to it because I gave my word.
		When I was grappling with how to bring this up on your show, because it obviously is a significant discovery.
		By the way, we should tell everybody that there's no question the letters are real.
		They have been verified by Mark Carlato.
		The imaging people have looked at the pixels.
		Your pixel people can go and look at them.
		No, they're really there.
		The only question is, which side of the planet did they get put on, on the Mars side or the Earth's side?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But they're on the digital original, so-called, on the JPL website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're really there.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		There's no mechanics involved, no prints, no paper prints, no darkroom stuff.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They're digitally on there in a way that is very, very hard to stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a monstrous story.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Monstrous.
		It is huge.
		Because either way, it's a huge story.
		You're absolutely right.
		The reason I sat on them is because a few nights after I found them, as I'm groping with how to bring this out, I got a call from Tom Ben Flanders, who, as you know, is the former head of the mechanics branch at the Naval Observatory.
		He did a press conference a few days ago.
		We can talk about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you what, we don't have time to develop this properly.
		Hold on, stay right there.
		We'll get to why he held these for three years.
		These are amazing photographs, and he held on to them for three years.
		So there's got to be a good story here.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Y'all just got to trust me when I tell you if you can get access to a computer, go run into it now.
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		Tonight's guest, Richard C. Hoagland, First Hour.
		The DNM photographs.
		Take a look.
		There is no question about what's there.
		The only question is, how did it get there?
		And there are only two answers to that question.
		One is they were there when they took the pictures.
		The implications of that are obvious.
		The other is somebody decided to put Arabic there and broke the chain of custody of the photographs.
		Either one of those two answers, if what we see is what we see, is an incredible story.
unidentified		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now we get to this part of it.
		I think it's important, and Richard has some explaining to do.
		He held on to these photographs for three years.
		Right, Richard?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three years.
		That's a long time for something this incredible.
		So how did that come to pass?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I gave my word to Tom Van Flander a few days after I found him and was wondering what the hell, you know, I mean, the question you put is absolutely accurate.
		There's only two possibilities.
		They're on Mars or they were done on Earth.
		Either one is huge.
		The question is, how do you go forward?
		How do you figure it out?
		How do you get to the point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is, why did you promise Tom?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, he called me up and he said, you know, we were talking about the cat box and all the stuff we talked about on the air a lot.
		And then he said he had something really big.
		And it was like pulling, you know, Hempsteads to get it out of him.
		And finally, he made me promise on a stack of monuments that I would never tell anybody.
		And that until he gave me permission, I could not read a word of it.
		And then he proceeded to tell me that another member of the science group he belonged to, SPSR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, he knows you.
		It's too bad.
		I mean, there's no way you're going to refuse with that kind of.
unidentified		Of course not.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		When a friend comes to you and says, I'll tell you something, but it's in confidence.
		I mean, look, I'm old school.
		I grew up in my press side of my career with Walter Cronkin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I want to know next is why did Tom not want it out?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because he said that another scientist at SPSR had found them, and the timeline looked like he found them before I did.
		But more important, they wanted to put them in a paper, a peer-reviewed scientific paper, to walk in the front door at Nature or Science.
		Nature was the preferred journal then, the most prestigious scientific journal in the world, and put them on the table, along with a lot of other enigmas on the image, to get a scientific debate started in the mainstream science community.
		And I thought that that was a good idea, but I argued strenuously that there had to be two roads to that.
		There had to be two takes to what they meant.
		One was, yeah, they might be on Mars, but the other is that they also might, well, be on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But why not just open it to the public and conduct a simultaneous investigation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why hide it from the public?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		This is where things get murky, and it pains me no end to say this, Tom, Tom.
		But I guess I need to say this.
		I have since discovered in the last week that Tom Van Flandern, apparently, and his cronies back there, have had a hidden agenda.
		And the agenda is to basically deep six any possibility that NASA and JPL could have covered this stuff up for 30 years.
		And they have been the stalking horse for the they can do no wrong.
		And if we find it, it's because they didn't really recognize it until just yesterday.
		And he has been very carefully cultivating me as a, quote, friend, to try to get information out of Enterprise and our work that they could then use politically to other ends.
		And this all came to a head at this bizarre press conference that he held last Thursday at the National Press Club, where he didn't tell us until the last minute he was even going to do it.
		And then he took a whole bunch of work from a whole bunch of people, ourselves included, and paraded them in front of the people in Washington without any attribution to where the original data had come from, which is the absolute worst thing you can do in the world of science.
		You have got to reference and attribute other people's work.
		I think that we're dealing here with a potential stalking horse for the agency itself, for that group in NASA.
		Remember, most of NASA, 18,000 people, is honest.
		But there is a tiny group that has been manipulating this issue for over 20 years.
		And I think Van Planner has fallen under the influence of that group.
		And it's like, you know, he got me to promise not to do anything with these because they're so politically explosive.
		And then they just sat on them for year after year after year until finally he debuted them himself last Thursday at this press conference, which, of course, has freed me from my promise.
		And now an appropriate investigation can go forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Damn, Richard.
unidentified		Wow.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And I feel really bad because I'm the one that promoted him for your show.
		I put him on this show.
		I supported his science.
		He has a stunningly accurate, critically important model, the exploding planet hypothesis.
		It will be proved ultimately to be correct.
		It is a huge part of the hidden Mars story.
		But what I've also found is that there has been an agenda for the last three years, and I can't reveal some sources on that yet, where Mr. Van Flandren has been trying to basically take over the Sidonia investigation and make himself the catbird in the catbird seat to the exclusion of a lot of other people, including our own work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if I had Tom here now, what would he say, do you think?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He would say that, you know, there are honest people in NASA and that we can't prove conspiracy and cover-up and we don't want to damage reputations.
		And it's bunk.
		You know, this is not an academic exercise.
		This is for all the onions.
		This is for the heart and soul of the human race.
		If there really are beings who built things on Mars, who might be our lineal ancestors, who in fact might have, as he is proposing, put letters on the planet that are connected to our own alphabet, which is an astonishing idea if it's true, then you can't pussyfoot.
		You can't timidly walk around and not look at the people who are deliberately, like Mike Malin, not telling us the truth.
		Mike Malin, the night of that press conference a week ago on April 5th, the third anniversary of the cat box image, put another 10,230 images out on the web that he'd been sitting on for about a year.
		And three more shots around the face on Mars, except he can't seem to hit it.
		He's like those stormtroopers in the Star Wars movies.
		You know how the safest thing to be on a Star Wars movie was with somebody not in a screen suit in a white suit?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because the other guys couldn't shoot.
		Well, Malin keeps taking pictures all around the face, and we've got a mosaic up on the web tonight.
		If you go to EnterpriseMission.com, you will see a story called Letters from Mars at the very top.
		By the way, right under it, there is a link to the PAX television network.
		Our show is now up on the official lineup.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't forget to remind me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The date again, please.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		April 27th, Friday evening, three weeks from tomorrow night.
		We will have a one-hour special on the PAX Television Network with all the people, including Van Clander.
		He's going to be represented on that special with his various ideas.
		Basically the history of the Sidoni investigation to date, including Arthur C. Clarke's provocative comments.
		And I've got another one for you tonight.
		Anyway, before we close this out, I want to...
		I think that meeting, remember, there was a meeting at NASA headquarters in the fall of 97.
		And Ben Klanner was there, David Webb was there, DuPetro was there, Mark Carlotta was there.
		I think that covers everybody.
		Oh, and Nick Daniel.
		And at this meeting, where nobody else was allowed in, I wasn't invited, you know, I tried to get me five light years away, there was a conversation.
		And the guys came out afterwards representing that NASA looked very seriously at this and was going to take new images of Sidonia.
		And nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened.
		And you know, and I know, and the few million people who listen to us over our shoulders know that it was this audience and the facts that they sent to Dan Golden and those emails and the copies to all the networks that got those pictures taken three years ago last week.
		Well, I have a feeling, and I can't prove it, I've got one first-hand report from one of the participants that I can't disclose, but there were some promises made in that meeting that I think the American people need to know about.
		And what happened is the behavior of each of those participants after they came out of that meeting completely changed.
		People who would talk to us wouldn't anymore.
		People who had written books claiming that NASA, with documentation, had been covering up on Mars for 20-some years, on your show, recanted them.
		Remember that?
unidentified		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a bizarre series of evidence.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		So if I was a district attorney and I was looking to a key point in time when everybody went weird, when they went south on the crime being committed, which is a cover-up, a la Brookings, of the greatest discovery in the history of the human race, I would focus on what happened at that meeting and who was promised what and what they have done since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Richard, I don't think you're in much communication with Tom, are you, right now?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have not talked to him for a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he wants to answer this and wants to engage you publicly on this question, you're willing to do it?
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just wanted to get that out of the way.
unidentified		It's...
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I think...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really think it's important that he be able to explain why he would want to keep these bundled up for three years by making you promise in such an absolute way that you wouldn't release them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really want to understand this, and that may be one way.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I have a very weird character flaw about me.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		When I give my word to a friend, I stick to my friends.
unidentified		I know you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you do.
		And I know you feel violated to be able to release this now.
		Obviously, you wouldn't.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I feel really sad because this is not the way I would like things to turn out.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that invitation's up then.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Let me just wish you something much more fun.
unidentified		Okay.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Our friend Arthur has been up to it again.
unidentified		Well, come on.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I've known him 30 years.
		I can call him Arthur.
		He sent an email last Saturday, which was the launch of his spacecraft to Mars.
		Remember, we're going back to Mars.
		And on Saturday morning, at 11.02 Eastern Time, 2001 Mars Odyssey, which NASA has officially named after my good friend, got it off to Mars, right?
		And apparently it's the best launch they've had.
		The spacecraft has no problems.
		They're all grinning.
		It looks like it's going to do some amazing things when it gets there, and we'll do other shows about what it's going to find.
		But we have some specific predictions about what the instruments on this spacecraft are going to find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the odds are of it successfully getting there?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think they're 100%.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of trouble, though, with Mars stuff.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but is it real trouble or is it more of this conspiracy fake trouble?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, either way.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		As long as you have the heavy hand of conspirators keeping us from knowing the truth, there's not a pure science road that you can travel.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And unless you can get rid of that aspect of this problem, you're never going to get to the bottom of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, with that, I agree.
		I mean, what's on the photographs, it's undeniable.
		Chain of custody, we know about where you think something might have happened.
		We know about, but no matter how many times you roll this over in your mind, it's a big damn story either way.
		Either they are screwing with the pictures, as you said, seriously so, or it's really there.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Take your pick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure which is the bigger story.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		If instead of following the Van Flandren path three years ago, when, you know, remember, any case that you let get cold, it's harder and harder to get to the truth, right?
		Right.
		If we had followed the Holland path, which I would have put this stuff out, and I would have absolutely put both models on the table.
		They're on Earth, they're on Mars.
		Let's find out.
		We would have gotten mainstream reporters.
		John Holloman was still alive.
		Remember John, our friend back then at CNN?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He would have absolutely flown out to Mailin's shop, sat down with Mailin, and said, now, how the hell do you explain this?
		There would have been discussions.
		There maybe would have been a committee.
		I mean, who knows?
		You might have even gotten John McCain interested early on in the politics of this.
		The truth would have fallen out.
		No matter where the truth lies, we would have found it.
		But now the trail is cold.
		The only route we have is that missing gap, that 36 hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These photos will warm it up.
		I would hope.
		Warm it up.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And maybe there's a guy that worked for Mailin, or maybe there's a guy or a gal at JPL that is an honest, patriotic American and was so incensed with what was going on, what they saw happening, that they took the opportunity to sneak these things in down on the DNM, which I've called the Rosetta Stone.
		I mean, the humor here is the irony here is absolutely right, because the DNM is the Rosetta Stone in the classical model of the Rosetta Stone, which was the key to decoding Egyptian hieroglyphs back in the 1700s.
		So to stick these letters on the DNM, which mathematically is the code key to breaking Mars, is, again, a level of humor which should not escape everybody.
		And somebody, maybe somewhere, there is a patriotic American tonight who's just waiting for a press person to say, how do those letters get on that image?
		And then they'll tell the truth.
		Let me turn to Arthur now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		This email is pretty cool.
		He said this a couple days ago.
		I would like to send my very best wishes to the 2001 Mars Odyssey team.
		I hope that you have better luck than the Russians.
		Because the Russians lost their 90s Mars Odyssey's mission yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall, yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I expect you've all seen the Planetary Society's Visions of Mars CD, which should have been taken there and is at the bottom of the Pacific tonight, by the way.
		He goes on, I still hope the future colonists will have a chance of enjoying it.
		Our knowledge of our exciting little neighbor has certainly increased enormously since the far-off days when Ray Bradbury, Bruce Murray, and I met at JPO before the Viking launch.
		And Carl Sagan was also there, I should add.
		Next paragraph.
		I'm fairly convinced, this is Clark now.
		I'm fairly convinced from recent images that there is vegetation on Mars.
		And I wouldn't be surprised if you find something even more exciting.
		Now, what's more exciting than vegetation?
		Are we talking herds of Martian buffaloes stampeding across the pictures here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Large life, Richard.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		All right, finally then says, however, I won't believe in any Mars artifacts until I can read their number plates.
		Go ahead and find them.
		Well, Arthur, we've got some number plates on the Art Bell website in Enterprise tonight.
		Now, is that between the lines or what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that very far between the lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, it's clear that Sir Arthur Clark has gone through a metamorphosis.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's 2001, Art.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, my tip is on Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that he was waiting for 2001, or do you think, Richard, that he just had his epistemology?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Remember, I've known this man a long time.
		He is a brilliant genius.
		He is as sharp now at 84 as he was when I met him 30-some years ago.
		No, this is part of their plan.
		This is part of why they were telling us about 2001.
		It's time.
		And I think, and I'm going to put in the new version of Monuments that we're almost ready to put out, some thoughts about him and me and Kubrick, which we've never put on paper before.
		But I think this is part of a plan, part of the disclosure plan, not the cover-up crowd, but the get-it-out there crowd.
		And I see Arthur is having a wonderful time.
		I mean, that email is dripping into his classic humor, but it's boing right to the point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all so very interesting, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that cool?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, on the upside, look at the extraordinary things we're about to experience.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		When this mission, when his mission, and I'm going to call it that from now on, why not, gets to Mars in October and finally gets into the proper orbit at the end of December, we could have the most astonishing Christmas present because it carries an exquisite color camera with like 15 or 20 different spectral bands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, I hope it makes it.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And if there is vegetation, they will find chlorophyll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And there will be no doubt from the science itself that we've got vegetation on Mars.
		Now, see, Arthur's not a dummy.
		knows what he's saying because there can't be vegetation on the current Mars that NASA's given us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you've got to admit from Arthur's perspective Christmas 2001 would be Oh, that would be just the right time to have that kind of news delivered from his point of view.
unidentified		It's coming.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And I'm telling you, this one's going to make it.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		This mission cannot, will not, must not disappear.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've done shows with Richard before where something or another disappeared, and it's always some godforsaken thruster reason burn-up or atmospheric expansion or anything can happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So knock on wood, Richard.
unidentified		We want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, my friend, thank you.
unidentified		Okay, bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And talk to you soon, I'm sure.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Until next time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Good night.
		Some of them want to be abused.
		Music.
		You're you, trees.
		We are strong and never to you.
		Birds and rivers here.
		I will forever see.
		Overhead of night.
		I'm so dreamy.
		It's the tonight.
		Wanna take a ride?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tonight, we're gonna talk about the shadow people.
		Finally.
		Now, this will be a big switch of gears from what we just did in the last hour, a great big one.
		So mentally reset yourself because we have an honest-to-god serious phenomenon.
		Actually, I've got about three or four of them going on right now.
		But the shadow people came first.
		Oh, did they ever come first?
		So we're going to get down to that in a moment.
		Let's take care of Biz first.
		Stay right where you are, then we'll set this up.
unidentified		Are you...
unidentified		Are you...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even remember now.
		It was, oh, it was at least a week, a week and a half ago.
		I had a caller who said, Art, I see shadow people.
		You know, like, I see dead people.
		I see shadow people.
		And that began a chain of events that's leading to the show that we're just now going to do.
		I think we all have experienced this.
		Well, maybe not, maybe not all.
		As you know, I began the program Dreamland years and years and years ago.
		And I wrote the intro to Dreamland.
		You remember the intro to Dreamland?
		You remember things seen in the corner of your eye, peripheral vision?
		Well, I put that in there because it's one, to me, has always been one of life's great unexplained mysteries.
		There seem to be things that you will see moving in your peripheral vision every now and then.
		It's just like, what the hell was that?
		It moved.
		And you look, and there's nothing there.
		Well, that's why I put that into the intro of Dreamland.
		We got the call, what, a week and a half ago, I said, something like that.
		And the person said, you know, Art, not only do I see them from the corner of my eye, but I'm beginning to see what I call shadow people clad in dark garb with usually with some kind of a cover over their head, a shroud or something.
		And I'm seeing them straight on, Art.
		Well, that began the avalanche.
		I got no less than 4,500, 4,500 people bothered to sit down and email me long stories of what they've been seeing.
unidentified		Here's just a little sample.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, I know you've received thousands of emails regarding the shadow people, but here's another one.
		I've seen what I could only describe as black outlines shaped like people at night, almost always in a semi-sleeping state.
		They've terrified me since I was 10 years old.
		I'm 35 now.
		The first time I saw them, I was 10 years of age.
		There were four of them in the room.
		I panicked, tried to run out of my bedroom, and kept flinging myself against my bedroom door, trying to push it open when it opened to the inside.
		This happened in the middle of the night, and my poor mother wanted to Take me to a therapist when it repeatedly occurred.
		Once, after rearranging my bedroom furniture, I saw one and got up to run out of the room and ended up in my closet instead, wrong door.
		Needless to say, this has been rather disconcerting to my mother, ex-husband, and current husband.
		Since I was a child of 10, my mother would come into the room because I was screaming in the middle of the night.
		She said my eyes were open.
		I appeared awake, but I was incoherent, terrified.
		First time I read Whitley Streeber's Transformation, I began to wonder if I was perhaps being visited by aliens.
		So, and it goes on and on.
		It's a long story.
		Dear Art, I can't help but write this email to you.
		The subject has plagued me my entire life, and until I heard your program last week, I had no name for my, in quotes, difficulties.
		During my childhood, even from birth, my parents and friends noticed that I knew things or saw people that no one else saw.
		At nighttime, I remember sitting in bed and holding conversations with people inside my bedroom.
		They'd come to me and sometimes while sitting on my bed, they'd talk to me.
		Now, as an adult, I would be skeptical of this story if I didn't actually have proof from my parents who heard the conversations.
		My mother particularly remembers seeing me sitting straight up in bed talking to someone and listening as a man answered me.
		These visits came constantly, and of course, there were the positive and friendly visitors and the ones that would cause me to scream and become a horrible insomniac for six months at a time.
		I remember these people so vividly, the good, the bad.
		I can still see them in front of me.
		And it goes on and on about the encounter and on and on.
		And as these go on and on, 4,500 emails, folks, here's another one from Susan.
		It was no surprise when I heard on the Art Bell show about the shadow people.
		I haven't seen one face to face, but I've lately been seeing out of the corner of my eye that which quickly disappears and a very definite presence standing behind me.
		And when I turn around, there's nothing there.
		I mentioned it to a friend of mine who's from Cuba about Art Bell's program on the shadow people.
		And before I even had a chance to tell him about the program, he blurted out, I forgot to tell you, I saw one of them.
		He then went on to describe how he'd been sitting at the computer practicing sending digital photos to his brother, who's in the same area, Anaheim, when he felt someone in the room with him.
		He had just sent a photo and turned around to see a being in the shape of a human, although not very tall, covered all in black except for the eyes, which he said were red and round.
		He said it had what appeared to be two arms, two legs, and not very tall.
		When he disappeared, the computer simultaneously malfunctioned, he adds.
		And I, you know, I could just go on and on.
		You're getting the idea right.
		Art, my name is Jonathan.
		17 years old.
		I'm in Sarasota.
		I prefer not to give my last name.
		A few years ago, I started seeing shadow people.
		Didn't know what to make of it at first until they actually began to talk to me.
		And I told my parents, they sent me to a doctor to see if there was something wrong with Miart.
		The doctor found nothing.
		Since then, the encounters have gotten worse.
		The beings tell me things I don't understand.
		Sometimes I can understand a few words and actions.
		They seem to have human emotion.
		And from what I've seen, they show anger, sadness, frustration, depression.
		When I first started seeing them, there was one that stood out from the rest.
		I notice the others don't talk to him as much, and I have no idea why.
		Most of them display average human size.
		Their speed is unreal.
		I've seen them race across my room so fast that I can't even see them.
		They don't walk.
		They glide like birds.
		They make no sound except voices, art.
		I'm not crazy.
		I can't deal with it anymore.
		I can't talk to anyone about this without them thinking I'm crazy.
		Tonight on your show, please bring up the shadow people.
	Well, this was some time ago.
	Please read my email.
	Please give me some information on the subject so I can find a way to get rid of them.
	Thank you, Jonathan.
	So, there, a little sample for you.
	Okay, and I've got about 4,497 more I could read to you.
	I won't do that, of course.
	But I tried to pursue somebody who could talk about this, who would know something about it, and I have found Thunder Strikes, and we'll see what he's all about.
	Thunderer Strikes is a twisted hair's elder and a Nagwa leader within the sweet medicine sundance path.
	His diverse background in ceremonial medicine, comparative religions, psychology, ancient mystery, school traditions, and the martial arts contributes to his remarkable skill as a contemporary shaman.
	Descended from the eastern Cherokee and Irish parents, that means he's Matei, he's half and a half, Thunder Strikes was guided from a very young age by his grandmother, Spotted Fawn, a Cherokee medicine woman.
	His early training motivated him to seek excellence in many arenas.
	Accomplished in the martial arts, he was inducted into the martial arts World Hall of Fame in 1994.
	Wow.
	As a teacher, shamanic counselor and healer, he inspires and enriches the lives of many apprentices and students worldwide.
	He is author of the book titled Song of the Deer, along with Jan Orsi, one of his apprentices.
	Here is Thunder Strikes.
	Thunder Strikes.
	Welcome.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are, so you are Matei, I guess, right?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're half and a half.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		As we say in Texas, a good old breed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A good old breed, huh?
		All right.
		But you were sort of brought along by your grandmother.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, my mother's mother was a very, very powerful medicine woman, and especially herbalist.
		And in fact, even the local medical doctors when I was a kid would come to her when they couldn't figure out what to do with themselves.
		And I was about the only grandchild that really had any interest in what she was doing.
		And so, you know, she'd go out and say, well, here's, you know, these maggots, they're Grandmother Earth's little surgeons.
		And she healed one of the wealthy men in town's son from deafness by putting them inside his ears and packing them with a black walnut POTUS and things that seemed very bizarre.
		And I thought, well, this is not so bizarre.
		This is Grandmother Earth.
		This is nature.
		And I just kind of hooked into it.
		And one thing led to another, and I stayed with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know about...
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I did.
		I found them very, very intriguing.
		And I think I've definitely, in fact, I know I've definitely got some answers for some of these people.
		To do so is quite interesting.
		So the first thing I need to say, Mr. Bell, is that I came into this journey and in learning about knowledge from these elders that are called Twisted Hairs.
		And the center of that elders group are a group of very, very old and wise men and women that are called the Zero Chiefs.
		They spent their time studying the universe, studying the mysteries of the universe, discovered the sigma value of 9 and really unveiled the true nature of Zero, the universe.
		They were talking about dark matter and black holes and what even before science was even invented, much less, you know, went that direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt using some other kind of language.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, using basically what's called Ha Selugi, which means it's a root derivative going back to the Omec, the Mayan, the Aztec, all the way up into the Cherokee.
		See, basically, there's only two root languages in Native American language, and that's Anashinabi, which say they came from the stars, and the Athabascan, which say they came from out in the lower worlds, like the Hopi and the Nalahoe and so forth.
		Or actually, the Dene, which is their true name.
		And I was fortunate enough to study with a man, Grandfather Tom Wilson, who's since passed over.
		That was the pseudo-name that was used in Carlos Castanedo's books, Don Genato or Giannado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And that was my teacher.
		He adopted me as his grandson.
		I studied with him for close to 40 years.
		And he was a Grand Nagua, which means really a shaman.
		And by the way, we say shaman instead of shame because there's no shame in being a shaman.
		So that's the way we pronounce him instead of shaman, although I know it's the most accepted pronunciation.
		And grandfather, that's what I referred to calling, was a tremendous man of wisdom and knowledge.
		And to be blunt about it, I had to go and get permission.
		So actually, we're doing something very exclusive.
		I've never really sought a lot of publicity.
		I do my medicine dance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I share with people what I know teeth, actually, to get to you.
		And I know you don't seek publicity.
		I know that's true for the first time I ever have, actually.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Now, I get this permission from the Council of Elders, means Twisted Hairs, to talk about the Shadow People.
		Because the first time that they recorded the incidences of the Shadow People was in 1153 B.C. And this organization, by the way, goes all the way back thousands of years before Christ.
		And they were originally called the Rattlesnake School.
		And they formulated themselves in 1253 B.C. in Oaxaca, down in the Yucatan.
		And I thought a lot this week.
		I thought, oh, boy, great.
		You know, here's the first time I decide to really do anything public.
		And I'm supposed to speak about something that I have been told not to talk about until the timing was right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you, I'm curious, I really am curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you went to the elders to try and get permission to talk about this publicly, what kind of reception did you get?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, interestingly enough, what are called the Nagwa Lineage Group, which is basically the eight elders that give me permission to teach anything that I teach, and I don't share anything in these wheels and keys and teachings that they have not given me permission to do so.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And it's a matriarchal society, so it's primarily eight grandmothers that are very, very tough grandmas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any opposition?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there was.
		And their concern is based around what's called the Rainbow Bridge Prophecies, which were written just approximately 22,000 years ago.
		And in our current calendar dating, it runs somewhere from 1980 to the year 2000, was considered to be what they call the awakening.
		And then quickening begins January of this year and runs to 2012, where the Mayan calendar ends, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did say quickening.
unidentified		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And the quickening is the time period in which, if I want to use, you know, I'm trying to use language so I don't have to go back into my root language.
		If I use the terms karma and dharma, the quickening, the awakening was the period from 1980 to 2000, in which the majority of the people are going to discover the reality that they choose their lessons before they come here.
		They use 80% of their free will in choosing their life, writing their book of life, and they come here to learn what they've come to learn.
		When we finish that series of incarnations, then we switch over and we go to another stream.
		We go to the Dharma stream.
		And in the Dharma stream, That's where we have opportunity.
		There's not any real lessons to learn.
		There's just opportunity.
		And it's a whole new cycle of life.
		So the quickening is now occurring.
		People are stepping into Dharma.
		And the prophecies say that there are eight horses in this race.
		The gold horse is one that carries the vision of individual autonomous freedom by the ability to assume authority emotionally and mentally, to take responsibility physically and sexually, and most importantly, to stand spiritually accountable for the next seven generations.
		A lesson, by the way, that I think our national and national leaders could well use, starting with Clinton first.
		But we don't have too many leaders today that are giving us any kind of an example of real benevolent wisdom in leadership.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, none.
		I see so few that it's just heartbreaking.
		you know, where are the Teddy Roosevelt's?
		Where are the people that can really lead from the front?
		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They got to where they are by stepping over bodies.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And that's part of what we call the dark horse prophecy.
		And part of that dark horse prophecy is in the quickening that we stand on a razor's edge.
		And in, I can put it in the exact words, that in the land of the eagle, which is considered to be the Americas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The land of the eagle, did you say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The eagle.
unidentified		Eagle, eagle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, eagle, eagle, yes.
		We're the eagle, right.
		And the eagle.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		In the land of the eagle, in the land of the lizard, which is basically South America, that there would come a time when the talking leaves of the land of the eagle would hang by a silver thread, the Constitution, and that there would be an election that would split the beast asunder, and that it would go in two separate directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, listen.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But if it went into one direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
		We are at the bottom of the hour, so just relax for a moment.
		You and I are going to talk about telephones for a second during the break, and we'll be right back.
		My goodness, he has a Ross Mitchell kind of bass in his voice, doesn't he?
		Pretty bassy stuff, pretty interesting stuff.
		And we're about to get there.
		We're going to talk about the shadow people.
		Why we're suddenly beginning to see them in such numbers, or have we simply stumbled into something that always has been, or is it all beginning to quicken?
		I suspect the latter.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good evening, everybody.
		Thunder Strikes is my guest.
		The subject is what we call the Shadow People.
		He actually had to go get permission from the elders before he could talk to us about this, which is pretty interesting.
		And I guess we've got to understand where we are in prophecy to understand why we're seeing the Shadow People now.
		That's conjecture on my part.
		I have no idea.
		We're about to find out.
		You know I can't resist, right?
		That is so appropriate for reintroducing Thunderstrikes.
		It's so appropriate.
		Welcome back.
		Thunderstrikes?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you are there.
		Good.
		You have got one deep voice, don't you?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a product of about 20 years in the Marine Corps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Marines do that to you, huh?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, especially when you become a gunnery sergeant and a drill instructor and those kind of things, and you're booming your voice out at the low volume.
		You know what it means out on the ground?
		It definitely takes your voice.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suspect a lot of it's natural.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what you're telling us right now, I presume, is it Cherokee prophecy, these periods of time that we're discussing?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's actually twisted hair prophecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twisted hair prophecy.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		See, if you were to take, let's say you were Cheyenne, I was Cherokee, other brothers and sisters were different tribes, and for whatever reason, we realized that we had both the religion of our people, the spiritual way of our people, but it just didn't work.
		It didn't give us enough answers.
		It didn't give us enough connection to the mysteries and to the things that we wanted to know in the realms of knowledge.
		So we would go and travel.
		We'd go travel to different tribes.
		We'd travel to talk to different people.
		And in doing so, we began to realize that, look, there was a lot more than one way to skin a cat here.
		There was a connecting link to the universe here that different people chose to approach in different ways.
		And so consequently, we would start looking for truth.
		We'd look for truth that works.
		And these gentlemen, these women, gradually started to meet each other, and they formed into what was called the Rattlesnake Scoop.
		And interesting enough, they say the roots go all the way back to a planet called Osiria-Canuea in the Cannis Major constellation, and the dog star Sirius was their grandfather's son.
		And that they came here approximately 172,000 years ago, bringing with them an ark, an ark of the crystal skulls.
		And that that's where the sum total of knowledge of the 11 planets with human life in our solar system, or our galaxy, we don't even have the right words for it, our universe.
		And with them, about 22,000 years ago, Mr. Bell, they wrote a prophecy called the Rainbow Bridge Prophecy.
		And it speaks of eight horses in a race, the horse symbolizing the carrying or the transportation of the philosophies and the belief systems and the core beliefs of the people.
		And that these horses were running, and they're running towards the date at which all the Native American Turtle Island people shut off their calendar, which is 2012.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the Mayan calendar.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		End of the Mayan calendar.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And there's a reason why they shut it off on August 17th, 2012.
		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Because they see that we will develop into full human beings, humanity, humans, and unity, and we will be teaching one another, sharing with one another, caring with one another, healing one another, loving one another with individual autonomous freedom.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But our number one enemy is ignorance, superstition, slavery, dogma, you know, the dark side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The modern day is what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you say that this quickening, interesting choice of terms, selection of terms, began, did you say 2000?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2001.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It actually started on midnight of 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds just about right, actually.
		As I look at events that have occurred, it seems just exactly right that we took a little bit of a quantum leap at that point.
		And events have been certainly quickening.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And see, I think that from 1980 to 2000, when we were in the awakening, you take this chronic stress fatigue syndrome malady that's going around.
		That was almost nonexistent until approximately 83, 84, somewhere in there when they first started diagnosing different cases.
		And that's right in the first four years of the awakening.
		And the awakening was moving over from one cycle, one pattern, one timing of life experience called karma, for lack of a better term.
		We call it Shilimata, but let's just say karma because that's kind of a universal word, and stepped over into Dharma, or what we call Shilimatahe.
		And when we did that, the speed of life, the actual circle of life, which is we basically, our people say we go around the wheel of life once every, you know, twice every three years.
		Well, in Dharma, we go around that same life experience 13 times every three years.
		And all of a sudden, the speed, the pace, the timing, I mean, there's not a person I talk to that doesn't talk about how it just seems like time is moving so much faster.
		And that is indeed true.
		Humans' metabolism is speeding up.
		And that's why we're seeing more and more and more prevalence of the shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the faster our metabolism becomes, the faster we're moving in some sort of spiritual sense, the more we're going to see of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Because in essence, if you take every time we have a negative thought, every time we have guilt, blame, shame, fear, anger, resentment, jealousy, envy, grig, greed, possessiveness, you know, insecurity, resentment, we're projecting that energetic out of our luminosity, out of our soul being, our spirit, if you want to call it that, and into the ethers, into the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you're basically, I think, saying that our negative emotions are what?
		Creating the shadow people?
		Completing the shadow people?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They're completing the shadow people because they're basically inorganic beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're completing the shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The implication of that would be, though, that there's some force that's already in existence that we're completing with these negative emotions, but that there's some form there prior to our completing its existence.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I would say that what we're doing is we're assembling them into our world of perceptual reality because they exist in a parallel dimension.
		Within the seven streams of reality, the seven streams or seven dimensions of reality, there are actually 72 parallel dimensions to either side that the Zero Chiefs discovered.
		And these include your fifth dimension when you're dreaming at night.
		And every night when you dream, you demonstrate what our people call the Larin, the energy-sensitive perceptions of awareness.
		You go to heightened awareness and see what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you may be at your most sensitive when you're asleep, most subject to perhaps being able to see these beings.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they beings, by the way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Inorganic.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		The definition given in 1153 B.C. By the major Zero chiefs that really started noticing the phenomenon in the young.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Inorganic.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Inorganic beings.
		And that they appear because they feed in a vampiristic sense.
		They feed off of our emotional chaos, our emotional discharge of energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you will excuse me if I get a little crude for you.
		I'm not as eloquent as you, but basically, if you were to see a shadow person a little more than in peripheral vision, it would scare the out of you, right?
		You're suggesting it would feed on that fright.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it will.
		And see, if you know anything about animals, and I, you know, I'm not Dr. Doolittle, but I definitely learned to communicate with animals over my life because we call the animals sweet medicine.
		And because they have a natural harmony and a natural balance and alignment, and you don't see a dog going to a psychotherapist to learn why it's not a cat.
		I mean, you know, a dog's a dog and a cat's a cat.
		Well, we are animals.
		We're two-legged animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But we have the potentiality to actually become a human being.
		And that's what we're in now.
		We're trying to learn to become human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are these inorganic beings sentient?
		In other words, are they conscious in the...
		Oh, yes?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You've got to realize that almost every form of everything inside of what we call the sacred laws of creation or the evolutionary laws is that all forms of all things are potentially transformable into all forms of all other things.
		And energy once created cannot be destroyed.
		It can simply be altered in the essence of its energy expression, its energy Form.
		So these inorganic beings are parallel dimensional beings, is the best way to refer to them that are pulled into our dimensions, especially through the dream time, and engage and interact with us.
		The reason they occur out of the peripheral of the vision is because we need to pick them up with our other eyes.
		We have 10 eyes, we have five ears, we're much more complex than medical science recognizes.
		We've even got a third genetic spiral they're just now playing with called the ETA, the evolutionary transformational agent.
		We're a luminous being, and we have a tremendous capability of perception.
		The entire path and the things I study with the power of the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here.
		Slow up again.
		Slow up again.
		I need to understand this.
		So I believe that you are saying that we're not really seeing these beings with our eyes.
		We're not seeing them.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Not with your normal awareness act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That we're seeing them with a lack of a better phrase, a psychic eye or an eye that is now because the metabolism is moving faster, it's just the mind seeing it.
		I haven't quite put this together.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I can make it simple.
		Is it all right if I call you art?
		I don't ever transcend on somebody.
		I stay in proper respect and gender and say, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for the purposes of doing this tonight, can I call you Thunder?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Either that or just Gunny, because that's what I went by for so many years.
		Either one works for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I could call you Strikes, but that doesn't sound right.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thunder.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And then everybody calls me either Thunder or Gunny of those that really know me closely in the end with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gunny, huh?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		If I said to you that you not only have your left and your right eye, your normal awareness eye, but everyone's very aware of the third eye, which is in the forehead.
		But when you're asleep and dreaming at night, do you not see, and in fact, we describe dream time as rapid eye movement.
		Your eyes are moving, but your eyelids are closed.
		So how is it possible?
		What are you seeing with?
		Well, that's the fifth eye, which approximately is in the top of the soft spot of a baby's head when it's born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it really?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's your dream eye.
		You also have a fourth eye, which is behind the base of the umdullum gala, which is at the base of the spine.
		And that's your animal eye.
		That's why your hair stands up in the back of your head when you have a reality sense of danger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've done that.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		And we also have an eye in the palm of each hand, which has been depicted in many, many, many magical and spiritual texts.
		We also have an eye in the sole of both feet.
		And most importantly, we have our universal eye, which is in our navel, our womb.
		And so we have 10 eyes, and we have five ears.
		We have an internal ear that hears when we're in the dream time.
		And by the way, dream time is 144 to 1 to our time, to third-dimensional time.
		If you put a person in dream research, like at Duke University, you measure a dream during rapid eye movement.
		We know they're dreaming.
		We record it on all the machines.
		We wake them up and they tell us an event that took two weeks of time transition in their dream space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thunder, I've got emails from, for example, where not just one person, but as many as three or more saw the same shadow person doing the same actions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Because, see, I'm sure you're aware you've had Rupert Sheldrake on, and he's referred to me in some of his books.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Rupert knows the morphogenetic field theory, and I think it's one of the most brilliant theories to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were they living human beings?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Not in our world in this third dimension as we know it.
		They've always been present in our dream time in fifth dimension.
		They've always been present in the three parallel dimensions to the right and to the left of our awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You seem to be suggesting that they are vampires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're emotional.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They're going to say they are energy, and we call energy orindi to cover all forms of energy.
unidentified		They are orindi vampires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so there's nothing particularly positive from our point of view about their presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like to use positive and negative, but I will use good and evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they're feeding on the negative emotions, whatever negative emotion might be present, that suggests to the average person that if they're seeing them, probably that's not such a good thing because there must be a lot of negative emotions flying about, right?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		But now let's take it another line of premise, that if I'm getting rid of and giving away my negativity and it can be absorbed very much like a maggot, which is kind of revolting and repulsive to some people, you realize that you could put a maggot inside someone's ear that's got a huge abset.
		It will eat away all the rotten flesh and not touch the actual living vital tissue of the eardrum.
		You take them out and their grandmother's little surgeons.
		So are they dark?
		Yes, because they feed off of that energy.
		Are they necessarily a part of evil?
		It takes a wide stretch of the imagination and a tremendous amount of fear to see them that way.
		You can learn that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can muster up that much fear, no problem.
		I mean, when you see a dark being and you can't account for his presence, it's not that hard to be that afraid.
		I mean, a lot, listen, a lot of the people that have written me emails on this subject.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They're terrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, some of them have been in tears, writing in tears, because they've seen these beings all their life.
		Nobody ever said a word about them.
		All of a sudden on my program, here we are talking about them.
		They were literally in tears because they've been holding on to this all their life.
		Well, yeah, I guess, you know, yeah, maybe, thinking they're crazy, scared to talk to anybody else about it, scared to even admit it To their loved ones.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's deal with one thing: the fear.
		Fear is nothing art but the unknown, and it never will be anything but the unknown.
		It always has been the unknown.
		And there's only one solution to the problem of the unknown: make it known as quickly as possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good with that?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Fear is a natural state of the human because of the molding, the sculpting, the armoring of the image makers and the people that are significant reflections to us.
		And we develop fears that are frequently totally ungrounded.
		And these inorganic beings, these shadow entities or beings, which we call shadow people because it's the closest thing in our normal awareness that we can identify with.
		Sure.
		Their truth is they're a little more like small human sort of bat-like figures.
		The description of the cloak that they see or the shroud, one person was very tuned in.
		They definitely have red eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you make, yeah, red eyes, great.
		Why don't you make the leap to evil?
		I mean, if they're food and the engine that makes them more visible is our own fear and negative emotions, then why not make the leap to evil?
		You wouldn't think they'd be up to any good collecting all those things.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, ask anyone that's dealt with them, have they hurt them?
		Have they attacked them in any way?
		You'll find out that they have caused themselves to hurt themselves.
		I mean, it's like a buddy I had in Vietnam that was going off into the bushes to do his number and a tiger came up on him.
		That will definitely shift your perceptual view of reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That should have popped a whole shadow family right into the jungle right then, then and there.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And so, yes, but if you really look at it, they can be evil if you project your evil far enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		These kids going off in school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Thunder.
		Oh, I want to get to that.
		Thunder, hold on, hold on, because I want to say something before we run into the break at the top of the hour.
		I hope Keith Rowland is listening.
		Sorry about this, Keith.
		But somebody has sent me a fast blast that makes sense.
		Say Art from Glenn in Washington.
		How's about asking for some drawings of shadow people from the listeners who have seen them?
		That should be interesting.
		Gosh, Glenn, I agree.
		Anybody out there willing to draw a shadow person for us and then scan it and send it to Keith Rowland?
		What a really good idea.
		How would you do that?
		Well, you draw it, you do it quickly here, and then you email it to webmaster at artbell.com.
		I repeat, webmaster at artbell.com.
		Wouldn't it be nice to have some visuals of what it is that we're trying to talk about?
		This is not so easy, this discussion.
		It's real, though.
		Thunderstrikes is my guest, and I would really enjoy that.
		Duh, why haven't we done it before?
		Let's see what these creatures look like.
		Moreover, let's see if they're perceived the same way by a large number of people.
		How can we do that?
		Well, by having you help us out by drawing what you saw or have seen and sending it to webmaster at artbell.com.
unidentified		The End Want to take a ride?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Totally interesting experiment.
		Why didn't I think of it?
		If we would just have some of you out there who have actually full on seen these shadow people sit down and do a drawing for us of what you saw to the best of your ability.
		Scan it and send it to my webmaster.
		That's webmaster at artbell.com.
		That's how you send it.
		JPEGs are preferred JPG files.
		We could then compare what people have seen.
		Isn't that a good idea?
		Get an idea of what people have seen.
		So those of you that have seen them full on, draw it, scan it, send it tonight, within the hour, let's say, to webmaster at heartbell.com, and we will have an interesting experiment, won't we?
		Thunder Strikes is my guest.
		We're talking about shadow people.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		Stay right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Thunder Strikes.
		And Thunder, pretty familiar name, I would say, for two who have just met, but we'll go with it.
		The maggot analogy that you made a little while ago would seem to imply, and here is where I want to ask, I think, an important question.
		Are these inorganic beings that we're discussing tonight, in a sense, doing us a favor by absorbing our negative emotions and feelings?
		Is that a positive thing for us or is it simply a positive thing for them and really overall negative for us?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I think the best way to answer that, Art, would be that it's really a positive thing for them without a question, beyond a question of a doubt.
		Just like any parasite that feeds off of another animal.
		But if you look at, for example, any parasitic relationship, the host actually experiences some gain, but it's not enough to make up for the fact that the parasite will eventually take their entire energy.
		And that's what we're dealing with in this quickening.
		As our metabolism speeds up, they become more present in our assembling of our World of a reality from how we're choosing to perceive our reality.
		And as we kick in these other eyes, if you were to imagine a luminous egg, you've got an elliptical surface, do you not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Due to refraction of light coming from both inside you at what's called your assemblage point, outside your luminosity, you'll pick it up through the third eye, which is, or the fifth eye, which are both very, very tuned in and very sensitive to spiritual essence or presence of energies and entities and vibrations and spirits, both incarnate and disincarnate, that we normally do not see at what's called normal awareness.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Therefore, the more we are in our dark side, the more we're dancing with the dark horse of evil, the more they're going to feed until they become strong enough to start appearing in our actual third-dimensional world with straight-on vision, straight-on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vision, straight-on vision.
		That's what we'll say.
		Now, I want to read you something.
		This just came in by FAX from Michael Harnes.
		Let's see.
		Harsons Island, Michigan, is it?
		Harson's Island, I guess, Michigan.
		I had always thought, Art, I could see something moving past my peripheral vision at my parents' home.
		I thought it was lights from the road some 600 feet behind the home.
		At times, I thought I was seeing a misty gray image of an elderly woman.
		But then one night, my lab, his dog, was laying at my side and began a slow, guttural growl.
		Rising and moving toward the windows, I thought he was looking at himself, you know, as a reflection.
		His growl became louder and stronger as he would lunge forward and draw back.
		This went on for about three minutes as I'd try to stop him, lunging forward.
		He got very loud and then made a final lunge and stopped instantly.
		After stopping, he then went up to the couch that was to the left of the window and with a very cautious step, smelled the seat cushion.
		This blew me away and gave me justification for the things I thought I saw time after time.
		I've never felt the feeling again.
		My dog also ceased that behavior.
		I haven't always had a dog.
		He was astray.
		I'd taken in.
		Most of my visions were pre-pet.
		So my question, Thunder, is, are these things that cats, dogs, other animals have been seeing for a long time?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I have always been aware of their presence.
		And anyone that has a cat, they don't like cats.
		And so generally, the cat will spot them.
		They don't want to be spotted.
		And consequently, the minute the cat tunes in, and if you've seen your cat walk across and all of a sudden it's very obvious he's going on his little route, you know how nonchalant cats can be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And they stop and all of a sudden they very deliberately turn their head.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You can bet your booty that they're focusing on an inorganic being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do bet on that because I just had a big incident with one of my cats.
		I have three.
		And I talked, and the veterinarian that was top-notch veterinarian that we took this cat to, she said, cats have a very fast metabolism.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Totally fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cats have, in fact, their system is so different from other mammals on the earth that it's almost like magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are the vets' words.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's magical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's magical.
		And she said, it's not so easy to treat them, and you just never know what's going to happen.
		They're really in a class all by themselves.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
		And one of our teachings is that we're evolving to the human stage where our metabolism will start to speed up to the point of what you could almost call formlessness.
		If I said that, ah, Jesus' resurrection was really his virgin birth, and that was the moment that he turned formless, came back in the appearance that Simon Peter would recognize and say, touch me as you knew me, I am as you knew me.
		But the virgin birth, that's resurrection, that's formlessness.
		The ability to assemble into your luminous agar cocoon the physical body that would normally appear through the birth cycle in your next incarnation.
		We have that kind of power.
		And I just took a little jump out there, maybe on a sidetrack, and I apologize for that.
		But carrots and a cat-like mind and a cat-like body is where we're supposed to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying it's where we're going.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we might as well get used to it because we're going to be seeing more and more and more of these shadow people until what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One day they simply were all part of one reality?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And we're going to be seeing other entities.
		Much of this UFO, the little gray people and the lizard people and so forth, they come from a dimensional planet that, if you want to look at it as the Great Spirit's grand design, was the experimental phase.
		I mean, you know, our people don't approach the symbolism of a God.
		We approach it as the everything, the universe, the sacred creation, the Great Spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the shadow people feed off negative energy, why are so many children that you wouldn't think would have that much negative energy?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you say about a child at eight years old that kills his parents with a butcher knife?
		What about these kids going off in school and shooting each other, Art?
		We have a lot of evil in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And even in the young.
		Yeah, and if the only way they can step into Dharma is to come in and express that in one final blasphemous, you know, riot down the runway of life, then they're going to.
		And, of course, that just draws this energy into a stronger and stronger morphogenetic field.
		And of course, that's why we want to look at the gold horse instead of the dark horse and start figuring out how to deal with our own dark side, our own shadow.
		Well, even Jung referred to it as the shadow.
		And start approaching it from a place of understanding we can get rid of our dark side by the way in which we live our lives in relationship to other human beings.
		And that's what we're here for.
		This is a laboratory.
		This is university.
		And I think we're here to grow and learn.
		And we're here to learn how to live together.
		And I'm not talking about integration.
		I'm talking about basically being able to live together in a gathering-together circle in which we are proud of the differences.
		But the differences don't produce wars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard in Berkeley, California is saying, your guest is describing the published works of Carlos Castanera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything from the term inorganic being to the luminous ball of light.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Carlos also studied with Don Juan, who was another real good friend of Don Gennaro's, and that's not neither one of them's real name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you studied with...
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And I can prove it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should we be, how should we accept the presence of these shadow people?
		If not, fear, then how should we react to them?
		If we begin seeing them, what does it mean for us personally, and how should we react?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I think the first thing is that you should become aware.
		Awareness is a key to knowledge and enlightenment.
		And so first you need to become aware of everything that's in your environment.
		You need to realize there's a lot more there than you normally perceive.
		Once you do, deal with your own dark side.
		Where are you going into negativity?
		Life is a choice.
		It's always been a choice.
		It'll always be a choice.
		The one thing that the human being can change in the world by himself is his attitude and his approach.
		Your attitude is your concept, your mindset to reality.
		You can change it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time callers, area code 775-727-1222.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's...
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		So it's that little boy in the room and he...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I apologize for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, that's all right.
		Listen, there are plenty of people who fit squarely or roundly, if you will, into that category.
		Believe me.
		But I just thought I'd save the children or something.
		I don't know.
		I don't even know why.
		It's late at night.
		They can handle the language.
		Anyway, here's what I'm worried about.
		Here's what I'm worried about, Thunder.
		When I look around me and I look at what's going on, we're speeding up all right.
		But the signs that I see around me are not that we're speeding in a positive direction.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're speeding straight to hell.
		Yes.
		That may be a little dramatic, but the environment around us is collapsing.
		Social civilization appears to be collapsing, as you just demonstrated with what a lot of children are doing now.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Moral and ethical relationships.
		The problem is collapsing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All collapsing.
		All going in the wrong direction.
		The sun right now is really beginning to worry me a little bit.
		It's spitting at us like I've never seen it spit before.
		And by the way, the scientists have never seen it spit this way before either.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost, what, a 68% increase in the solar flares in the last three years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're in a normal high, but we just had an event that...
		And in fact, the DISH network lost some of their transponders.
		Because of solar stuff, I don't know.
		They won't say.
		I suspect.
		We just had another major X-Flare, big mother of an X-Flare.
		These things are coming at us.
		Anyway, all taken together, we're speeding all right, but I'm not so sure I like where we're going.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I would totally agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look at the weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look at the weather.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And see, that's part of the red horse.
		The red horse is about weather.
		The white horse is about technology.
		The goat horse is about human-to-human interaction.
		And the goat horse is about spiritual self-growth and development.
		And, I mean, we have to deal with all of those.
		And all of them are going faster and faster in the race.
		And right now, the dark horse is way out in front.
		Well, what happens?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happens, Thunder, if the dark horse wins the race?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the end point of the dark horse prophecy is Civil War II in the Americas and World War III, when the land of the bear, which is considered to be Russia, the land of the weasel, which is the Middle East, and the land of the dragon, which is China, combine together as one allied unit against the land of the eagle and bring it down and rip its feathers from its existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be us, the eagle.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would be.
		And look at what we're currently dealing with with China.
		They're sitting in our back door in the Panama Canal.
		They have major control of six major harbors in the United States.
		When are we going to wake up?
		Our military has been downsized to the point where we couldn't even hold a strong DEF CON 2.
		If you're familiar with the DEF CON statuses, that means we could not launch what we had at the beginning of Pearl Harbor, and we were pretty weak then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were in the service, what, a career?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I started out that way, and then I got blown out of a helicopter into TEDpens, even that short of ended that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was actually at Amarillo Air Force Base, and I picked up the red phone.
		We were a SAC base, and I picked up the red phone during the Cuban crisis and heard them announcing the rise in the DEF CON level.
		I remember that.
		That was a hair-raising time, believe me.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's real fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hair-raising.
		Yep, that's real fear, all right.
		And so the gray people or the dark shadow people must have been running around gathering strength like crazy.
		And every time I suppose a major event in time occurs, the assassination of a president of the United States, oh, my God, the outpouring of grief and fear and anger and negative emotions must just really pump these little inorganic things up.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's like they run amok, very much like a cockroach or a rat will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the more we run amok, the more we Feed them.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And that's why I had to get permission to speak about this.
		We're reaching the point of the quickening.
		And the quickening includes the quickening of both good and evil.
		Now it becomes a real full-out race.
		If you watch the horse race, you know it's the jockey always gives them the spurs and the whip and quirk, and they move them right to the finish line in that last quarter link.
		And that's what we're doing.
		We're in the last decade, the last 10 years, which is called the quickening.
		So it's that race to that final point.
		And that was so completely in the arena of free choice, free will, that they didn't bother to extend the calendar past that point because they said either we will become human beings gathered together in circles of unity or we will create a civil war in the Americas and World War III and who knows where it'll go from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe nowhere.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And see, that's why I get so adamantly out of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, when you went to the elders to seek permission to talk about this tonight, what was the, in the Supreme Court, it would be the dissenting opinion.
		What was the dissenting side?
		Why did they feel perhaps the public shouldn't be told this?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		The two dissenting votes out of the eight were both saying that normally this would have been brought to the forefront in 2004.
		That the election at that time is a critical turning point as to whether we'll go really to the dark or to the light horse.
		And that by putting this out ahead of time, it can be a detrimental effect on those people who live in the prey victim syndrome world.
		And there's only two kinds of animals, no matter whether it's a two-legged, a four-legged, a winged, or whatever, and that's predators and prey.
		The key is that you can be both a malevolent predator, a criminal, or if you're, for example, a law-abiding firearms owner, you can be a benevolent predator.
		So if a woman is being attacked, raped, and assaulted, that's violence.
		And she shoots a man with a 357 Magnum, or better yet, a 45 coat, that's force.
		And force controls violence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And passivity breeds it.
		So the passivity can be launched, but people's helplessness or frustration to deal with these beings could be out of timing.
		But since it's such a forefront issue, they said, okay, go for it.
		It would not be present if the collective weren't demanding it.
		And so the vote was 62.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the hope is that by telling people what these inorganic beings are, that they will begin to modify their own behavior.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Give them emotional balance and control.
		Stop rejecting their pretense out to life and known to others.
		In other words, wake up and assume authority, take responsibility, and be accountable for your life as a choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that sure is easy to say and difficult to do.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I've spent my whole life trying to learn it, and I'm still getting, yeah, not too bad at it, but some days are better than other days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for all of us.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		I'd like to go to the phones because I know a lot of you have questions about these shadow people.
		Now, I think we just got quite a few answers, but I know you've got questions, and I hope that those of you with a capability are making the drawings, scanning them, and sending them to webmaster at artbell.com so we can all have at least some form of visual of what you've seen straight on.
		In the meantime, we're about to open up the phone lines.
		Don't touch that dial.
unidentified		MUSIC Spread the sand, spread the touch.
		There's something inside that we need to watch.
		The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the spread of a new speaker in the ground.
		There are flowers to be covered and then to burst up to turn back to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
		To have all these things in our memory's heart.
		And the use of the darkness to find.
		To have all these things in our memory's heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We're speaking with Thunderstrikes.
		Or, if you wish, Gunny.
		He was obviously a gunnery sergeant.
		He's also a Twisted Hairs elder and Nagwa leader within the Sweet Medicine Sundance path.
		He is, Matei, he's half Eastern Cherokee and half Irish.
		And he knows about shadow people.
		And he's been telling us about shadow people.
		And I hope soon we'll get the first images on the website of what some people have seen and called the shadow people.
		And we've also got a lot of phone calls.
		So in just a moment, we're going to go to the phones with Thunder Strikes.
		Stay right there.
		Back now to Thunder Strikes.
		And just before we go to the lines, I've got a question for you, if you don't mind.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should I understand these beings to be, as we, many of us believe we have been, the creations of God, separate creations?
		Should I imagine them to be here since the creation, since man has walked the earth?
		Have they always been here?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, sir, they have not.
		And in fact, that's why they were first brought into awareness.
		If you look at what was going on in approximately the 1100s B.C. here in the Americas, and that's when we first began to see, up to that point, there was very little tribal warfare, very little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so you're saying before that there were no shadow people?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		There were no entities created out of our own energy field that began to take on their own consciousness or perceptual consciousness of reality.
		Right now they're consciously present.
		We created evil ourselves, interestingly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		created evil ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they are a creation, but not of...
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Not of the Great Spirit.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		We are determiners of energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		The mineral world's the holding world.
		The plant world gives.
		The animal world receives, and we're the determiners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, Thunder, happen to have a computer in the house?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in about two minutes, I'm informed by my webmaster that the first three or four drawings, rather, that have been scanned that he considers interesting are going to be up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you able to do that, or are you on the line that your computer would use to get on the internet?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, I can probably go into my computer, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Okay, for the rest of you, as a matter of fact, very soon now, we're going to have it up on the website.
		And what you do is you go to program tonight's guest, scroll down to Thunder Strikes, and when Keith gets the drawings up there, in the next few minutes, we'll all be able to look together and see what they are.
		So you might have, if anybody's assisting you there, Thunder, you might have them get on my website and get ready.
		That's how you get there.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Go to your website and go to Thunder Strikes section.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, to tonight's program and then tonight's guest info.
		That would be you.
		And then you'd see the name Thunder Strikes.
		And then when my webmaster gets them up there, in the next 10 minutes at least, we'll all be able to look together and I'd be very curious what it is people have been seeing.
		In the meantime, I'd like to go to the phones.
		And I'm going to think about the fact that they're our creation.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Sarah from Modesto, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Hello.
		I'm a fairly new caller.
		I commend you, Art on the great job you're doing.
		I really love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		Actually, I have a question because I have quite a few things that do happen to me, but this is like only the second time I've heard about this, and I'm really curious as to whether this could be shadow people or ghosts that I'm experiencing, because I always just figured it was ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might be hard to discern, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you see?
unidentified		Well, I haven't ever actually saw a person, but I do see outlines.
		I see a lot of movement, especially once it gets late at night and I'm on the computer.
		I see flashes of light by the corners of my eyes and shadows by the corners of my eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're moving?
unidentified		Yes, definitely moving.
		And sometimes I'll think I see an outline.
		turned, but it fades.
		So I've never seen...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Thunder?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I think what she's seeing is that they're both incarnate and disincarnate spirits, which you might call ghosts.
		And then you're dealing with poltergeists, which are basically a phenomenon of an interesting phenomenon, the projection of adolescence just coming into the age of puberty.
		And I think what she's seeing is, let me ask you this.
		Melody was the name?
unidentified		No, Sarah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		What was your name?
unidentified		Sarah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Sarah, when you saw their appearance, did you see them to the right side or to the left side?
		Oh, geez.
		And can you give a basic description of the thing you were doing at the time?
		What was the event that you were experiencing at the moment?
unidentified		Oh, geez.
		I'm trying to think.
		I think I see them from both sides.
		I honestly haven't ever really paid attention to that.
		But a lot of times it just happens late at night when I'm sitting at the computer.
		I notice a lot when I'm sitting at the computer, and usually only at night.
		And a lot of times lately, just the past few nights, actually, laying in bed, like I'll see little flashes out of the corner of my eye, and I look and nothing's there.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Do those sound like the shadow beings or the shadow people?
unidentified		Oh, no, I didn't want to hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
unidentified		I'm 24.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		24.
unidentified		And, you know, if I could just ask a few other quick questions that occurrences, I mean, I've also, I don't know if this sounds strange at all, but I have felt breathing in my face before.
unidentified		It's been a couple years since this has happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Breathing in your face?
unidentified		Yes.
		I have laid in bed and actually felt breathing in my face.
		It's only happened like two or three times, and it's been a couple years since it happened.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, those are not the shadow beings.
unidentified		That's not shadow beings.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		What those are is that you've got to realize that ancestor spirit beings, loved ones that have crossed over to the other side, frequently come back and because they assembled us into their world, and then they have left our world, but we still have them assembled there.
		It's our heart space.
		It's our connection to them.
		And so we can feel that breath of life, which is why it's so critical when a newborn takes their first breath of life.
		That's when their luminosity lights up, shall we say.
		And so that's what you're experiencing there.
		The inorganic beings are the shadow people, they definitely are attracted to electromagnetic energies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so in other words, when you're near a computer?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Computers, television sets?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, well, monitors.
		Sure.
		Electromagnetic.
		It's all electromagnetic.
		Hun, we've got to leave.
		I'm sorry.
		We have now the first four drawings submitted by people who claim to have seen Shadow People straight on.
		They're up on my screen right now.
		Oh, my.
		Oh, my.
		Now, these are people's drawings, of course.
		But, wow.
		So, if I might ask, I've got them here, Art.
		Shadow People.
		Oh, you've got them?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's not a shadow game.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's what's commonly referred to as a Manitou.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Manitou?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		A Manitou is an evil dark force energy whose presence becomes known because it's inside your lineage somewhere because of what Your relationships.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I've done many exorcisms and many banishings of these critters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This thing doesn't look good at all.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
		And it's definitely malibund and it can be taken away with a good shamanic cleansing.
		It is absolutely terrified of sage, cedar, sweetgrass, lavender.
		The smell of those four herbs mixed together, equal proportions, drives it baddie.
		It'll leave.
		The other thing that keeps it away is crystals.
		The frequency of crystals makes it very disruptive.
		This is a being that you need to drive out of your reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with that.
		All right.
		The next one.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm scrolling down to the next one.
		And the next one is much more typical of those energies and entities that are there due to government influence.
		And I really don't know if we want to go there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		The men in black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, the men in black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the third one.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And the third one is dead-on reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dead-on reality.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That one in the last one where they're more amorphous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's showing them in their developmental stage, their cocoon stage.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That would be like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, kidding.
		Joe, in other words, then the one on the bottom would be the cocoon stage.
		The one just above it would be evolved from.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And that's what they look like.
		And they're extremely quick.
		What I like about this kid, if I can say his name, Kenny, that put it on there, boy, he did that well.
		That's just about as close as I've seen anybody draw them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kenny Young says, I have attached a picture, and I quickly drew the shadow person I've seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The shadow person had longer arms and legs than a normal person, was about four feet in height.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Four to five feet max.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was hard to get an exact size of the shadow person because I ran across the street really fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't blame you.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		See, that's why as our metabolism increases art, our heightened awareness brings them into the normal awareness screen of perception, where we're moving, like, say, at the speed of sound, but they're operating in a parallel dimension and in the dimension which we can access to heightened awareness.
		And they're moving, say, maybe Mach 4.
		Maybe they're going above the speed of sound.
		So they're going to appear extremely fast to us.
		Does that make sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it makes all the sense in the world.
		Yes, of course.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, hi, Art.
		This is Karen from Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Karen.
unidentified		And about two weeks ago, I had a dream that I was flying around and a guy was chasing me with a camera.
		That was a nightdream.
		And I've also had visions that I'm standing there watching some people and they see me.
		But other than that, when I was a child, I used to speak to some being.
		I have not seen shadow people.
		But yet I have seen golden light beings that fly around the room.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Those are what we call the tungashula, which literally means the ancestor spirit beings of benevolence, the guidance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Because they were absolutely correct in everything they ever told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what did you call them again, please, Funny?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, hold on, ma'am.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		We call them Tungashula.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's an Indian word for all my relations, the spiritual beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess they're the good ones.
unidentified		Yep.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		One thing I would like to say to this sister is, hon, just because you're dead doesn't make you smart.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		So they're there, but just because they're in that other world before they come back into the next incarnation, sometimes they can give you good advice just like your parents can, and sometimes they're just dead wrong.
unidentified		Oh, no.
		They warned me of the fire.
		They told me what I would be at every age that I asked them.
		They became my best friends after my father's death.
		In fact, they warned me of that, too.
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Shadow Strikes.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Klup.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Thunder Strikes.
		Thunder Strikes.
		I've got Shadow on my mind, my God.
		Yeah, good morning, sir.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Down on Cape Cod?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cape Cod.
unidentified		Wow.
		Yes.
		And I've seen them five times since 1981.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have?
unidentified		All straight on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All straight on.
unidentified		Yes.
		And the common denominator of them is, to me, they're 2D.
		They don't have a third dimension.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You're correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They're in a parallel dimension, brother.
		What it is, is that that's why they take on this flat, pasty-like, opaque background, and so no light comes through them.
		And so they are not no reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you said blacker than black.
unidentified		Yeah, can I briefly describe them?
		I've got it written down.
		Yes, you may.
		I was just doing a little hike in the woods, and there's all kind of broken branches and stuff like that.
		And I'm walking along, and the branches are breaking when I walk, but I had a sensation of somebody being near me.
		And I looked to my right, and about 30 feet away, there was this thing, you know.
		And every time I moved, it kind of aggressively moved, too.
		And you stopped?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Did it stop?
unidentified		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's frequently also referred to as the shadow stalker.
		In the forest, and if you were around a lot of trees, there are protector spirits that protect the elementals.
		And those are not harmful.
		They're very similar to these beings.
		But if you move, they move.
		If you stop, they stop.
		If you turn around, they turn around.
		They're miners, they're mimickers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every single time, huh?
unidentified		Yep.
		But the only thing I noticed in particular, I thought I was going to get robbed or something at first.
		You know, but when it moved, it didn't make the branches crack.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, because it came with the forest.
unidentified		Okay, and then the second one I saw on the car, and it had an angular form.
		That was in 1992.
		It was somewhat human form, but it was like angular.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you remember at the beginning of the show, I said to Art that frequently they take on this triangular type of shape.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't hear that.
unidentified		I missed that.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That I don't want to use this image because I don't want to lead anybody to it.
		People are so easily led in the mind.
		That, you know, like you see, Cal Drax leading his coach or the vampire type thing.
		And since we've used that word, maybe unfortunately, parasitic would probably be better than vampiristic.
		But they have a sort of a, if you look at the one that's on the screen on the computer, that's much more accurate.
		But you see the fast movement, and because the extin length of the arms and the legs and the shortness of the mid-torso, as you catch it as them going away from you, if you understand anything with geometry, it's going to create a triangular or sort of a triangle over a parallelogram.
unidentified		Yeah, I was an aerospace engineer.
		That's why I was so fascinated about that second one.
		The third one was almost a tentacled thing that went through the trees.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Did it make any sound, like a whirring sound?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Did you notice that they don't seem to have any mass, you know, it's like it just went through the went through the trees.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like a wind nymph or a wind spirit.
unidentified		What is that?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to understand, if you were raised in the world I was raised in as a child, I learned that everything around me in nature was a part of me.
		And that even anything that we create in industry or technology, the computer is nothing but a projected image in technology of the way our basic inner brain-mind functions.
		The brain's simply a transmitter-receiver station of the mind.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I've always been close to animals and shellfishing.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And so we have an absolute interconnection, interdependence, and interreliability with all forms of all other things.
		It's a sacred law.
		And there are water, wind, earth, fire, and, you know, spirit energies that exist in the fourth dimension, and therefore they can become very, very present in our dimension.
		There's also those kinds of energies that exist in the fifth dimension, meaning primarily in dream time.
		And those dream beings can force you into a shadow dream.
		If you're in a shadow dream, it's like you're looking at yourself on a television set.
		You're not in contact or presence in the dream.
		When you have that kind of dream, you need to train yourself to wake up, go to the bathroom, go get a drink of water.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, can I just move on to number five real quick?
		Yes, go ahead.
		Okay.
		As a matter of fact, I was sleeping and I woke up.
		My dog was kind of panting or something.
		And I woke up and I sat up and walking, well, it darted at me at first.
		But what was funny was my dog was sitting there looking 30 degrees away from it, staring at the wall.
		You know, so it was like it was seeing it, but not in the same space I was.
		And as I looked at it, it came at me real quick and then slowed down.
		And, you know, my religious belief, I said the Hail Mary in about 10 seconds.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But it didn't work, go to the Jewish.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever works, it goes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But then it stopped and it sank right down through the floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Now that was definitely a shadow being, I think, from what you described.
		I mean, it's hard for me to say that sitting here, not being into full presence, but I know that I've studied them since I was six years old.
		My grandma taught me about them and what to do with them and how to engage with them and how to banish them.
		And then I learned about all the other kinds of entities and spirits that are in our world.
		We actually live in a very busy universe, but most people are just not aware of it.
unidentified		Obviously.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Can't see them in normal awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so again, of the photos we've got up there now, the drawings, number three, is really, really good.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And actually number four, too, but those really cocoon or amorphous stage right before they are fully present.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		So see, the more they feed, the more they become like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but again, very quickly, because we're at the top of the air, the top one is not so good, huh?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's definitely what we call a Malimanitu, which means a malibunt spirit.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Brilliant breathing on.
		Huge, dark, the blackest of black came towards me.
		And the weirdest thing was, the first thought I thought is, I can't believe this is Zorro.
		He looked just like Zorro, the shape.
		He had the cape and the hat, but he was just all black.
		And what happened to me was that he came towards me and he grabbed my neck.
		And he kind of, he didn't push me down.
		I just like laid down and he had his hand, I guess, in my neck, and he was moving it around.
		And then he backed up, and then he just floated away.
		But what happened was...
		1985.
		And three or four days later, I got a lump in my throat.
		And then a month later, it was getting bigger.
		And so I had to go to the doctor.
		And they ended up telling me that I had a type of cancer in my thyroid.
		Now, it wasn't a cancer that would spread, but I had to have my thyroid taken out.
		And I'm on centroid now, you know, for the rest of my life.
		But it was very weird.
		And I have Such a big mouth, and in my family, they all just don't listen to me.
		But they all just think I'm nuts.
		But the thing is, I told everybody, I tell everybody all the weird things that happened to me, and they just laughed it off.
		But I've always known it was something.
		And the odd thing about this is that after that, it took me 10 years, but after that, I started thinking very differently about my life and what's going on and who we are.
		And I changed my life.
		Now, I look back now and know in 1985 I was not doing well as a human.
		And it took me, well, in 10 years, but I got rid of all the negativity in my life.
		I got rid of everything.
		And I also got some gifts.
		And one of them is crows.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		The crows, the messenger, the sorcerer.
		They're the ones that carry the messages back and forth between the world and the dimension.
		Well, it's a very sacred animal.
unidentified		Yeah, the ravens are the crows.
		They warn me when something's coming up, and they warn me by crowing and yelling.
		And I figured out where it's going to be coming from, north, south, east, or west.
		Each one means male, female, physical, and spiritual.
		But I think I hope I'm doing it right with them.
		And they never fail.
		They never fail.
		And it's like the other day, there was one screaming at me, and I was in such a hurry, I told him to shut up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must be doing right then.
unidentified		I don't know.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, if you notice, your description matches the second photograph.
unidentified		Which one?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It looks very much like a Zorro photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The second photograph on the website.
unidentified		All right, I'm not online, so I can't see it, but really.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's not really a shadow being as we're using it on the broadcast 900.
		It's more of the men in black.
		And that program began in 1964.
		It's got a connection into the whole remote viewing piece.
		I really don't want to go there.
		You know, it's a real show, and we're dealing with just the shadow beings.
		That's what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's...
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Let's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got more photos.
		And we have got, I'll tell you, the last photo in the series is I don't like at all.
		So let us begin from just below.
		You'll see the new one on there, the one that you said looked surprised, right?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		If you've reloaded, look at the one just below that.
		Do you see it?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Vicky Trout.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vicky Trouts, yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you say to that one?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Again, you've got to realize that this notice the similarity to, I think, number three.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I've got to keep in my mind what the numbers are now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That it's very, very similar to number three.
		Again, Howard, if you've noticed how this one's got a tempting or a tantalizing type of presence in the lady's visual.
		Yes.
		In her perception.
		And when they do that, they're trying to approach.
		If I said to you that misery loves company, would that make sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		No, listen, it does make sense.
		They're trying to approach so they would take on a, I don't know, a non-threatening or even inviting form.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And like she says, they were full of mischief, but clearly evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the one below this we're trying to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, we're doing all this too fast, but Buck.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		World?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That one put chills through my spine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in heaven, whose name is that?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You're back up to like the top.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's another one of the Mahate Monitus.
unidentified		It's.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		If I said to you, have you heard of Alababa and the 40 Thieves?
		There are 40 denizens of the dark.
		It's a pretty well-known thing all over the world that are like the minions of Satan, the devil.
		I don't like those names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevertheless, this one does not look good.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		It doesn't.
		And it's got an extremely malevolent presence, but it's a stalker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A stalker?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it looks like a stalker.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And when those come, you need to get some help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you help.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Monica help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Thomas's is next down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty big one.
unidentified		And excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite all right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's just a dark force entity.
		I mean, that's a disincarnate spirit that's just plain, pure, and evil.
		The shadowing under the eyes, especially if the eyes had a reddish or greenish hue to them, you're talking about an evil person.
		It can be somebody like, say, Jeffrey Dahmer that decides to come back in and pay a visit.
		No, I wished I were, but I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more down.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I said, too.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's like number one.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Again, it's dealing with one of those manatus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a bad one, huh?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And if you know, she says she sees him after rainstorms or bad weather.
		That electro, you know, lightning and electrical discharge, they're drawn to that.
		See, it helps them become more present.
unidentified		Huh.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		So they can, again, they can feed.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I maybe shouldn't have used the word vampire because I really don't want people to take off in that direction too heavily, but they're parasites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Parasites.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, what's interesting is the number of different pictures we have on here of different energies that do exist and can come over into our invention and be very present.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I find that very intriguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's see if we can do this quickly.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, and good evening, Thunderstrikes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		I am tickled to death that you are on.
		For the last several nights, I've been listening to Art and been screaming at the computer here, leave our shadow people alone.
		There are shadow people, and then you this evening have also made it clear that there are other things that can be seen that are not malevolent.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		In fact, they're extremely benevolent.
unidentified		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Without the elemental spirits and the wind spirits and so forth, we would not have the beauty of nature and Mother Earth as we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But The problem here, both of you, is I agree, there probably are some wonderful ones out there, but if the average citizen had a gun that would kill whatever entity they saw dead, we'd have nothing but dead entities, good and bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, people are so frightened out of fear.
unidentified		Well, that's the thing, though.
unidentified		That's why I'm glad he's making a distinction, because it is important for people to not automatically be afraid.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I agree, because, see, you've got to realize fear, like I said before, fear is the unknown.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Do something about it, make it known, go right towards the very thing you fear the most.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of interesting if you look at what people have sent us in terms of pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a computer, ma'am?
unidentified		Yes, I do, but I had to go offline in order to use the phone.
unidentified		I saw the first four, but I've been listening to the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then know this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say right now, it's about 60, 40 as we've looked at these bad to good.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I would say the same thing.
unidentified		Yes, and unfortunately, you know, our babies are killing babies.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		There's a great deal of evil.
		And I have a lot of young people that come to me and just talk to me.
		They just all of a sudden open up.
		And they're unhappy.
		They have low self-esteem.
		They are frightened for the world in general.
		They're frightened for themselves.
		And when Art had the Holy Elders on, one of the grandmothers said, the role of the mothers in any society is to nurture and pray for the children.
		But in today's society, the mothers are working.
		They're not at home.
		They are not taking care of debt.
		Everybody, everybody but somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it, hold it.
		Everybody, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I must abide by the clock.
		This is coast to coast a.m.
		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is Thunder Strikes.
unidentified		Thunder Strikes.
		When you see me in the middle of the night cleaning the place.
		So I was done with my job, and I decided I would spend some time trying to stop the world, not do meditate, what have you.
		And I sat there and I just looked in the mirrors that surround the whole place until basically, for lack of better words, the world fell away.
		And up out of the distance came a creature that I could only really describe as a six-foot black cricket would be the best way I could describe this creature.
		And Art talked earlier about creatures who beguile and want you to come with them or do something.
		This creature wanted me to come with him into this strange landscape, this nothingness.
		But what was coming from the distance off the side was something dark and menacing, you bet.
		This frightened me, and I snapped out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what was all that?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You had a good experience, but you learned something very, very valuable.
		Never believe anything, question everything.
		Knowledge is something that's sacred because it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would have happened had he gone?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You might not have returned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I'm trying to move as quickly as I can on the international line.
		You're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Hi, I'm from Saudi Arabia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saudi Arabia.
unidentified		Yeah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello and welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
unidentified		I was just wondering what you would say to somebody who wanted to see shadow people.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That wanted to see them?
unidentified		Yeah, like, how would I be able to see them?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		To seek them out.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That I would request.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young lady, just before you go on, Thunder, young lady, how old are you?
unidentified		27.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		27, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you must be there with your husband stationed or are you stationed over there?
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		No, I'm a Saudi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a Saudi.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, in your people's tradition, you've heard of the Jin, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The Jin are there are many classifications of Jin.
		From what I understand from a friend of mine that's a practitioner in your people's world, in your people's way, they say they have 72 different varieties or variations of the Jinn, one of which would be what we're now discussing, which is the shadow beings of the shadow people.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But I wouldn't go out.
unidentified		Yeah, it's in our religion also.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't go out looking for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your English is absolutely, absolutely impeccable.
		Very.
		How did your English get to be so good?
unidentified		Thank you.
		I used to live in the States.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To it.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		She speaks better English than I do, Art.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I speak kind of Texas, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really want to see these beings?
unidentified		No.
		No, not really.
		I'm just interested.
		It sounds really, I don't know, intriguing.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's intriguing, huh, but don't be lured by it because really they're not of any benefit to us.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		I'd probably be scared.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you would.
		Well, you know, if you get scared enough, maybe they will.
		I mean, they're drawn to that fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember what was said earlier, ma'am, and that is that they feed on that fear.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		No.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And that's not something I'd direct in the end, definitely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, you be sure and call me again, will you?
unidentified		Okay, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well.
unidentified		I'm a long-tongue listener.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Incredible.
		All right, thank you very much, and take care.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was refreshing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hi, this is Doug from Nashville, Tennessee.
		Hello, Doug.
		I had two questions.
		One is, you know, on art show, on your show, you have talked about rods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was just wondering if Thunder could maybe you might explain it briefly if he's not familiar with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for asking the question.
unidentified		I'll put that in perspective.
		And the second one was really, I'm going to ask a similar question to the previous caller, but more generally, I've always wanted to have some conscious experience of something in the otherworldly or some evidence of something spiritual.
		And I was just wondering if you could advise how one might cultivate that kind of experience, not necessarily negative intensity.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		If you pick up a copy of my book, Song of the Deer, A Sundance Journey, Sundance Journey, I haven't even asked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, slow down.
		Hold on.
		The name of your book, I didn't even know you had one.
		I'm sorry.
		What is it?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's Song of the Deer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Song of the Deer.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's put out by Jaguar Books, and they can pick it up in a local bookstore or Amazon.com.
		Or they can email Jagpub, J-A-G-P-U-B, at A-O-L.com.
		Or they can call Tollfree at the BBC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that your email address?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's the email of Jaguar Books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		J-A-G-P-U-B at A-O-L.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		If they want to get a hold of me, they can get a hold of me at Gunny at keepandbeararms.com.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's keepandbeararms.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another side of you, huh, Gunny?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I'm the president of keepandbeararms.com.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It's the largest gun owner's homepage on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the things we learn as the program comes along on end.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Very avid Second Amendment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the 800 number?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And the 800 number for the publisher is 877-855-055.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not enough numbers.
		877-855-0055.
		Hold on.
		0055.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They can reach me at deartribe.org on the webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deertribe.org?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes, you've got more conduits electronically to get to you than I do.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But I don't adorably respond to any of them.
		Okay, just don't gutty.
		Keep your bare arms because I'm very, like I said, pro-Second Amendment and very proactive with our preservation of our Constitution for crying out loud.
unidentified		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's a whole nother page of my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Christine from Albany, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And thank you both for a fabulous show, and good morning.
		Good morning.
		I haven't seen one of these things, but I've felt entities around me, good entities, probably for the last 11, 12 years.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And how old are you now, ma'am?
unidentified		I'm 52.
		My boyfriend passed away in 99.
		I feel him.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		His kitty passed away.
		I felt her.
		You mentioned the eye on the top of the head.
		Ever since...
		Yeah.
		Well, no, on the very top of the head.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's called the dream eye or the fifth eye.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Ever since he passed away, I feel tingling up there.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you would.
unidentified		Oh, when I meditate.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		When anywhere from three to seven years after a passing, we feel that contact through, you know, our fifth eye, and especially in our dream time, and those have caught our memories.
unidentified		No, it's when I meditate, when I say prayers before meals, it's on and off all during the day.
unidentified		Definitely.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Remember, just you've got two dream times, son.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You've got the dream time here in the third dimension when you're awake like we are right now.
unidentified		This is more of a dream than...
unidentified		Okay, good.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They do overlap each other.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thank you both very much for a great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, and take care.
		And I guess I should stop and ask you right here.
		We're coming to the last hour of the program, and I give all my guests a choice at this time because I know it's getting late.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Not for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not for you, so.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I'm definitely a late-night person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're good to go, huh?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm good to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then.
		Let's do this one more time.
		The number, the 800 number to order your book.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Song of the Deer.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is 877-855-0055.
		That's 877-855-0055.
		Song of the Deer with about 30 seconds to say.
		What is it all about?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Basically, it's the entire first shield of teachings, the first body of teachings about the sweet medicine sundance.
		And we include in there how to do positive discharging of your emotional content, your personality and events, your projective pretense, and get rid of the negativity in both a practical, realistic manner.
		It's a teaching about the whole luminous A cocoon.
		For those that have read Costaneda, he gave you great school.
		I'm giving you a master's and a PhD in sorcery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there then, and we'll be right back.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast.
		I am.
unidentified		I am.
		And I want to do this.
		I will give you the surrender.
		Oh, yeah.
		And I have left my duty in fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't forget, everybody, one more hour if your station gets it.
		If not, then you might ask for the prefeed.
		Every night, we pre-feed three hours of the previous night's program, if your station has it.
unidentified		Maybe it was my fear that I was feeling.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It attached to you, hon, because it's part of your world.
		It's part of what you've assembled in your reality.
		It was a logo.
unidentified		So you think it was just leftovers from my father's passing away?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you've got to realize I'm putting you on a form of communication, but I definitely know the shadow being to me, but that's not the biggest thing.
unidentified		That's not what they do.
unidentified		Okay, that's one thing I was worried about because we sold the house and I didn't want to turn the house over to somebody and have it have some kind of dimensionality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't sound that way.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
		All right.
		Two things, Tundra, that we've got to cover.
		One, she just kind of touched on.
		So many people have said that they view some of these beings as death coming to get you or coming to absorb you.
		one form of them does do that?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but that is the entity that we call Tawalanani.
		And by the way, I will not say that word again due to stalking death.
		it literally tries to rob your spirit personality or steal it as it goes back to the Great Round.
		There have been thousands of documented instances all over the world by different names of this entity.
		And it is the personification of evil.
		The Christians call it Satan, the devil, which is lived spelled backwards.
		And by the way, Satan is nothing but not toos, which is nature, or in the Gaelic language, spelled backwards.
		It's the opposite of life.
		It's a predatory, you know, malivent death.
		It's not a death of one's choosing.
		It's a total shock or an accidental death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		If that makes sense.
		Yes, it does too well, I'm afraid.
		All right.
		The other thing is rods.
		Now, if you've never heard my program, which I guess you probably haven't, rods are going to be very difficult to explain to you.
		A man named Joseus Camillia has been taking extremely high-speed photography and capturing in this photography these long rod-like shapes which appear to be alive, appear to be darting around, almost, he calls them sky fish.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They move at extreme speeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've got countless photographs of them, but you can't, again, you can just barely see them kind of in the corner of your eye in peripheral vision occasionally.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And it's definitely not an astigmatism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Oh, no, no, no, no.
		These are really captured photographically just fine.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they part of this world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they run with the shadow people?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		They're actually a part of the matrix.
		Your world is super strange, the concept of the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		All right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I said to you that coming out of the center of your navel is what is called your solvine.
		So you've got an umbilical cord to your physical body and your physical mother.
		But you've got an umbilical cord that goes through Salucher's great-grandmother of the universe, the goddess mother.
unidentified		That solvine at the end of it's got 12 filaments, little screens.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Everything in the universe is interconnected to a series of darting beams of light, which are called the threads of awareness for our people.
		And they are photographable.
		You can see them.
		If you're a pilot and you get up above 25, 30,000 feet, they're extremely visible up there.
		I don't know who your gentleman is that's doing the photography, but if you get up in an aircraft, get up around 25, 30,000 feet, especially at sunset or sunrise, he would be blown away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think he's tried that yet, but really, really, really good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he would really be blown away, Art.
unidentified		It's amazing what you can see up above the atmosphere with those things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Thunderstrikes.
unidentified		Art, I want to compliment you on having a great show, first of all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, thank you.
unidentified		And Mr. Thunderstrikes, thanks, because I think you're filling in a lot of the blanks for people.
		Well, I appreciate that.
		I certainly hope so.
		Yeah, and I'm kind of hoping that you could fill in maybe a couple for me, too.
		These might be related issues, may not.
		I have seen shadow people before, primarily when I was a teenager, and I was just very highly emotional.
		But anyways, I have this, when I was a child, I had experiences with extraterrestrial beings, spaceships, and that kind of thing, which was then followed by a period where a Sasquatch, I believed anyways, a Sasquatch would come and stand in the corner of my room at night.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
unidentified		That's what I was going to ask you, because I was terrified of this thing.
unidentified		It was black, had black eyes and everything, but it was a Bigfoot.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		See, we call it, Sasquatch is another native turtle.
unidentified		We call it Ochikadan.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And it literally means the protector of the animal world.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And it's the ruler of the animal kingdom.
unidentified		And this is what another shaman had told me as well, that it was a female extra-dimensional creature that was watching over me.
unidentified		Yep.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And see, it's interesting enough, those entities called Sasquatch come in twins.
unidentified		They're always born in twins.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Really?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And the twin females are the really benevolent ones.
		When they're males, one will be the harbinger of evil and one will be the protector of the innocent.
unidentified		It's a very peculiar phenomenon.
		You know, what's really strange is that while there was this one that was standing in my room, okay, I would also sense that there was another one that was outside of the house walking around in the yard.
		And I was really terrified of that one.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You got it right, because it probably was a bell.
		Again, remember, I definitely don't know everything.
		In fact, I know affected a lot less than I really should.
		I've been trying to always learn.
		But they definitely travel in pairs.
unidentified		They're totally far out.
		The other thing regarding shadow people is I had a dream one time about one, and I consciously took control of this shadow creature.
		Good.
		And I was like, did you banish it?
		He was holding a guitar.
		He was a silhouette of a figure holding a guitar, and I was telling him what music to play.
		Then somewhere during the dream, he reversed it.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Via shadow request, I guess, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, something like that.
		But he totally, like, it was like a feedback loop because he reversed it, and he was putting the music in my head.
		And then that frightened me real bad, and I woke up.
		And then I also have had a message.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You're dealing with another form, brother.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You're dealing with the one that I discussed earlier on the show called the shapeshifter or the stalker.
unidentified		Okay.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They can move back and forth.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		They can even appear almost as totally human.
unidentified		All right.
		Yeah, this one had a very distinctly human form.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Listen, we've got to leave you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I very much appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		And very quickly, refresh your computer and go to picture number 24.
		Yeah, 24 is it shows shadow people milling around.
		shows three of them.
		The person says, in my bedroom, and they always look down, not at me.
		This is still on page two.
unidentified		All you've got to do is refresh, I think.
unidentified		Ooh.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Notice the similarity in picture number three, Art.
unidentified		Yes.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Except he's got one there that appears to have on the hat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Those are definitely shadow beams.
		There's no question about it.
		I'd bet my medicine pipe on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they're not even, they don't, you know, if you look at that, they're not even interested in him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're just milling is the right word, I think.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I would have three questions.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		A, is he living in a house that's had any kind of real violence or horror or whatever you, you know, trauma?
unidentified		Two, is he fairly new into the house?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And three, has he done anything to, in his personal life, to attract that kind of an energy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And they're in this mode.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		In this mode, they're in what's called the ambivalent mode.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to hold it right there.
		We're again at the bottom of the hour.
		Time moves quickly with shadow people.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is for the guy who made the dedication, you know, the music, all of that.
		This is for you, bud.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		The devil went down to Georgia.
unidentified		He was looking for a foe to speak or he was in a bag that he was way behind and was willing to make a deal.
		But he came across this young man sewing on the fiddle and playing a pot.
		And the devil jumped upon the paper and jumped on him and took your watch.
		I get so much, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
		And if you care to take it there, I'll make a bet with you.
		Now, you play a pretty good fiddle, boy, to give the devil his view.
		I'll put a fiddle of gold against your soul to think I'm better too.
		The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet, you're going to regret it.
		It was wrapped with a sinew, and she told me that I should keep it around my neck always.
		And if I didn't wear it around my neck, I should keep it in a box with fresh cornmeal.
		Now, is this something that I still do it because I'm pretty superstitious by nature, but is there something to this, or is she just having a good laugh at my expense?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		No, there's definitely something to it, and she gave you the best medicine possible.
		It answers the other brothers' questions about psychic self-defense.
		Fetishes or talismans are representations that certain entities and energies react negatively to, just like we react negatively to a cockroach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're repulsive.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		So we tend to stay away from cockroaches.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		When you wear a bear fetish or a deer fetish, elk, those are energies and animals that are totally repulsive to the shadow baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Coller, does that answer your question?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		She did mention something about a connection with deer as well, but what is a shadow runner?
		It's just that you can't translate people or the word person in novel language.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, all right.
		So from Korea.
		Boy, we've been bopping around the world tonight.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		Hi, my name's Dorothy, and I'm calling from Philadelphia.
		Okay.
		And my question is that two years ago, I had breast cancer, and I've since been cured.
		But before I was diagnosed, I would have these, maybe two or three times, experience with a man dressed in black with a big black hat and a black cape.
		And I thought I was crazy.
		But one time he was like coming at me, and the other time he was just standing there.
		But I could not, it would be after waking up, but I could not move.
		I was like paralyzed.
		I couldn't talk.
		And it was very scary.
		But ever since I, you know, was diagnosed and then cured, I haven't had any experiences like that.
		I've always had God in my life, and I feel that, you know, I'm not really afraid of them because it never hurt me.
		But, you know, is this the same thing that you're talking about with the...
		This is one of the many blacks.
		And this is the thing that you can't talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not for the purposes of this program.
unidentified		I know not about the many blacks in my military service.
		Maybe we'll do a whole nother show on the men in black.
		Okay, and if I could just say one more thing, I think we've scared ourselves a little bit, but if we could just kind of move out from these shadow people into the light now and talk about what we can do to stop it.
		Get away from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the newscast in the last hour about the children with the weapons?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Thunder, I want you to reload and look at the last photo that my webmaster has slavishly put up for us to see, number 30.
unidentified		He's definitely working overtime tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he sure is.
unidentified		Number 30 is really interesting because it's two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's two of something that almost appear connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you able to see it?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are we looking at there?
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		I don't know.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		If it were a little more detailed, it could possibly be like what we call the Sasquatch Twins that we were speaking of earlier.
unidentified		Sure.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		But I honestly don't know.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I can't tell from the rendition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then go up one photo to number 29, and that'll be where you're.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That is stalking death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is stalking death.
		Oh, God.
		That's the one.
		Don't repeat the name.
		You said you wouldn't, and I have a feeling the roof will fall if you do.
		But that's it.
unidentified		And it's been described with the Grim Reaper.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You know, something's interesting, Art.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		If you look at some of the cave drawings, you know, if you go back and look at some of the Paleolithic drawings and whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You'll see that when they carbon date, when they date those, that they're dating when the shadow beings first began to appear.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		You'll see that same remote-type shape that we've got right here on our modern-day communication.
unidentified		You'll also see the enochy of stalking death.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's one in Kenya Deshea that's virtually like this one on my screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if you see something like that, it's stalking you.
unidentified		Your neighbors?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, you don't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you don't want to see that.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		And if you do, it's time to know your death song or it's time to get ready to be benevolent death and drive stalking death out of your circle.
		You're very mistaken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks very much.
		Boy, I'll tell you, I asked for some pictures and drawings, and I got more than I, we all got more than we bargained for by a long shot.
		And we got more than we bargained for with you two.
		I had no idea what to expect tonight.
		This has been an incredible program.
		I want to promo your book for you, which we've underdone.
		It's called Song of the Deer.
		And we've got an 800 number where you can order.
		Is that a daytime 800 number?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's, yes, it's probably daytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daytime, huh?
		It's 877-855-0055.
		That's 877-855-0055.
		Now, I would like to get your personal email address.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's Gunny, G-U-N-N-I-E at keepandbearArms.com and capitalize each of the words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		The word K-A-D-A.
unidentified		Should be capitalized, the first letter of each word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As in Keepand Bear Arms.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And they can also go to our Deer Tribe at Deertribe.org because that's our page of all the medicine and the shamanic teachings we do and what have you all over the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much is Song of the Deer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me look.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		We've got it here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying it's also in bookstores?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it's 1695 USA and 26 Canadian.
unidentified		Okay.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		And they can get it through Amazon.com also, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		So I'm going to be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like I don't know how to thank you enough for being here tonight.
		And you were exactly what I needed.
		I'm really honored to be on your show, Art.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate the invitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's exactly what I needed.
		I mean, you really are exactly what I needed.
		And I thought there would be no chance of finding somebody who would be a real expert in this category.
		I didn't even think there was such a thing, but here you are.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's not...
		I'm not an expert.
		Grandfather was an expert, but I learned as much from that man as I could in the years that I studied with him.
		And unfortunately, he crossed over to 108, and I didn't get to learn everything I would like to learn, but I'm still trying to learn myself from other elders.
		And so, you know, the thanks really goes to my relations that have taught me what I now have shared with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really also know about the men in black, huh?
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, but that's coming from another field.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		That's coming from my military experience, the stuff I did overseas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may well be that I will come back to you if I can, either on the shadow people or the men in black.
		Whatever I can do to help.
		So, again, gosh, thank you for being here, my friend.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		It was my pleasure, totally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good night.
thunder strikes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		All right, listen, everybody.
		Well, boy, wasn't that something.
		Listen, tonight, when we come back, we're going to be doing Ghost to Ghost AM.
		There will be no guests tomorrow night at all.
		It's going to be all you.
		So this is one of those programs where you want to notify your friends, neighbors, relatives, whatever.
		You know, send them a note, send them an email, tell them Ghost to Ghost is coming up tonight.
		It's all you, and it's all your ghost stories.
		And it'll be on an interesting day when you think about it.
		It'll be on Friday the 13th.
		Yeah, I planned it that way.
		Anyway, we're out of time.
		And so ghost to ghosts, tell your friends, don't forget, stations, that we now provide three hours of pre-feed of the previous night's program before we begin each live night's program.

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