Richard C. Hoagland and Thunder Strikes explore Mars’ 1998 "Arabic lettering" mystery, citing a 36-hour JPL custody gap and NASA’s alleged suppression of findings. Hoagland dismisses Martian Arabic script as implausible but hints at whistleblower manipulation. Shadow People—2D, vampiric entities—are linked to humanity’s emotional chaos, feeding on fear during spiritual transitions like the 2001–2012 "quickening." Thunder Strikes ties them to Cherokee prophecy, warning unchecked negativity could trigger societal collapse, and advises shamanic cleansing or crystal frequencies. Listeners share encounters, from Zorro-like figures to "stalking death" entities near trauma, while Thunder Strikes recommends his book Song of the Deer for protection, framing these phenomena as humanity’s energetic accountability in a fast-evolving era. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning across this great land of ours and beyond, the island of Guam in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast A.M., and I'm Art Bell.
You're not going to believe what we've got in the first hour for you.
You must immediately go to my website at www.artbell.com.
You must then immediately click on Program and Tonight's Guest Info.
In the first hour, you'll see Richard C. Hogan just before thunder strikes in the second hour on Shadow People and click on the image that says DNM, that's what it's saying, DNM letters.
Click on that and get ready to have your mind blown by Richard C. Hoagman.
This has been kept under the rock for a while.
We'll explain as best he can.
Let's see.
First of all, I've got to say, hello there, K-X-Y-L-F-M.
F-M, that's very important.
In Brownwood, Texas, 104.1 on the dial, 74,000 watts.
There's some pretty doggone good AM stations out there.
You get a lot of high-end.
But we've made a big improvement.
Also, I talked to one of the really big powers that be in our company earlier today.
And when XM Radio makes its debut, that's the satellite right down to car type thing, XM Radio, this program will be there, I am told.
Now, you might want to know, we'll be there, cutting edge all the way.
When it happens, we're cutting.
In a moment, I'm presuming that you're going to my website right now and looking at these photographs.
Get ready for the story behind them.
It's a total mind-blower.
Richard C. Hoagland has it.
He will also address the rumor of this latest shock to Mars, whether there was actually a controversy about whether to include Richard's picture along with Sir Arthur's or not.
big controversy there at NASA, but that could be just a rumor.
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology All right, I know not everybody has a computer.
What we have here are pictures of the DNM area on Mars, which clearly, clearly show some writing.
So quickly get to my website.
If not, you're going to have to understand that what we're dealing with here are photographs of Mars that show lettering.
Either somebody took a pen and actually wrote on these photographs, that's unlikely, and you'll get to chain of custody and find out why in a moment, or I don't know what.
God, what a story.
So get up there and take a look.
Here is Richard C. Holland, advisor to NASA, to Walter Cronkite, and winner of the Angstrom Medal for Science and so much more.
Richard, what about that big flight within NASA to include your picture with Sir Arthur C. Clark?
As this reporter you interviewed unveiled a story, as people called in with clippings and confirmation that this guy's been doing this since the 70s and blowing out power grids and people have got photographs of one of these things escaping one of these models and all this.
You know, it's, to me, it's part of the mega pattern, which is somebody, see, now that we've got ruins on Mars, now that we know there's really stuff and folks out there, you can say this with a straight face, which is if we really have relatives, if the model is that the human race has kind of been cut adrift from its previous history and there are folks doing things out there and there's a whole busy commerce and civilization and,
you know, federation and God knows what else going on that we're not aware of because we're kept in the dark, it stands to reason that somebody from time to time will say, oh, those poor benighted souls, we've got to bring them into the family again.
And they'll keep trying various venues to introduce us to the idea that, no, we're not exactly alone after all.
And he made a big point about talking how they looked exactly like us.
When he started talking about the rings and the balls and the rocking underneath the spacecraft, I clearly recognized a phenomenon called forced precession.
Remember how he said that that brings the energy in from the other dimension to allow this thing to fly?
You don't have to build a spacecraft out of granite.
That's obviously what they want us to think about in terms of these ancient monuments like Stonehenge and the Miami Circle and the other things to connect back to our own heritage back when we knew this stuff before we were cut off from the rest of the family.
So there's levels in this tale, and I really want to get the book and read carefully what this guy's written.
And then I'd like to go with you up there and see this thing.
They were on the first image strip that Malin took in 1998 on April 5th that Cam Donneller posted on the JPL website the morning about 10.30 Pacific on April 6th, and we discussed that night.
They were at the very bottom.
They are at the very bottom.
I found them a couple, three days into this exercise, you know, as you were looking with microscopes at this whole digital image.
I noticed on the DNM pyramid, which about half of the pyramid got photographed in that first low-angle pass, and as I was working on enhancements and doing this and trying to eliminate noise and, you know, cursing the fact that it was such a lousy picture, you know, that cat box image as a Mr. Art Bell has now made immortal the world over, I saw this stuff on the DNM on the right-hand side, on the upper right of that arm that sticks up on those Viking images.
In the middle, there are two A's linking kind of on a diagonal, the two lines.
The script is oriented exactly normal on the picture.
In other words, you don't have to rotate the image or cock your head or whatever.
It's just looking at the frame.
There are these big letters, and they're about 150 feet tall if they're on Mars, if they're on the pyramid in terms of the scale of the image.
Now, I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, holy whatever, this is the biggest discovery because the first thing that popped into my mind is, this ain't on Mars.
There's no way that, quote, Martians, millions of years ago, when this stuff was done by all the models we've worked on for 20 years, would A, have invented the Arabic alphabet, B, have put them on the pyramid in a way that they could have survived dust storms and erosion and ultraviolet and all the other stuff for millions of years, and then would have known what the orientation should be.
So they just happened to be nice and right side up when we took a picture millions of years later.
I'll pretty much buy that, but before you get to your model, let's talk about the chain of custody of these photographs, what are now photographs at least, on the website.
Because part of the agreement with NASA to get this picture in April of 98, that mail-in kicking and screaming and saying, oh, this is the worst stupid thing science has ever done, and I need $400,000 from headquarters to take these pictures.
The pictures were taken around midnight on the 5th, just after midnight on April the 5th.
They didn't get to the public for 36 hours later, across that half weekend, from Sunday night to Monday morning, Sunday night just after midnight Pacific time, they were on Earth.
They were literally in JPL's computers.
But for 36 hours, they laid there untouched until Nalen at 9 o'clock on Monday morning ostensibly picked them off his version of the web, the international web, did something with them for an hour and a half in his computers, spipped them back up to JPL where at 10.30 they were put up for everybody on the world to see.
So for 36 hours, we don't know what the chain of custody was because they were not promptly posted.
It's more likely, unless we have absolute proof that somebody, after all, Richard, you've got to admit, it would be a little weird for somebody to put Arabic lettering late at night on some photograph.
Not at all, because in the model, you know, remember, we have honest folks and we have dishonest folks in this storyline.
And somebody, you know, my model was, and this is three years ago, that somebody who was honest, working either at JPL or mail-in shop, was so affronted by what was going on, that this image had been so distorted and misused and, you know, basically hoaxed for the world to see and then rather to basically say, oh, it's just a pile of rocks and all those other things, that they put these letters on as a whistleblowing signal that the things are safe.
Well, the way I looked at the whole story tonight with these photographs, which people are going to go, oh my God, and knowing the supposed chain of custody, I'll give you that.
Well, then we go to the next level, which is how do Arabic letters get on Mars millions of years ago?
But you see, the simpler explanation is they're a fake to tell us that the image was a fake.
And remember how important this image was.
The whole world is waiting on the edge of their chairs, where they're holding their breath, turning blue, waiting to see if the damn face on Mars is really a face.
And they take the worst picture at the worst angle with the worst lighting, with the worst processing at the worst time of year.
Do you think these letters are some sort of conspiratorial nod of the head saying, look, all of this we're doing right now is a hoax and crap, and so we're putting this in so you're sure that's what it is?
Or do you think it really might be on Mars?
And you might add in your response, folks, which you think would be the bigger story?
It's hard to imagine.
Now, Richard, why did you hold on to this for three years?
The reason I sat on them is because a few nights after I found them, as I'm groping with how to bring this out, I got a call from Tom Ben Flanders, who, as you know, is the former head of the mechanics branch at the Naval Observatory.
Well, because I gave my word to Tom Van Flander a few days after I found him and was wondering what the hell, you know, I mean, the question you put is absolutely accurate.
Because he said that another scientist at SPSR had found them, and the timeline looked like he found them before I did.
But more important, they wanted to put them in a paper, a peer-reviewed scientific paper, to walk in the front door at Nature or Science.
Nature was the preferred journal then, the most prestigious scientific journal in the world, and put them on the table, along with a lot of other enigmas on the image, to get a scientific debate started in the mainstream science community.
And I thought that that was a good idea, but I argued strenuously that there had to be two roads to that.
There had to be two takes to what they meant.
One was, yeah, they might be on Mars, but the other is that they also might, well, be on Earth.
This is where things get murky, and it pains me no end to say this, Tom, Tom.
But I guess I need to say this.
I have since discovered in the last week that Tom Van Flandern, apparently, and his cronies back there, have had a hidden agenda.
And the agenda is to basically deep six any possibility that NASA and JPL could have covered this stuff up for 30 years.
And they have been the stalking horse for the they can do no wrong.
And if we find it, it's because they didn't really recognize it until just yesterday.
And he has been very carefully cultivating me as a, quote, friend, to try to get information out of Enterprise and our work that they could then use politically to other ends.
And this all came to a head at this bizarre press conference that he held last Thursday at the National Press Club, where he didn't tell us until the last minute he was even going to do it.
And then he took a whole bunch of work from a whole bunch of people, ourselves included, and paraded them in front of the people in Washington without any attribution to where the original data had come from, which is the absolute worst thing you can do in the world of science.
You have got to reference and attribute other people's work.
I think that we're dealing here with a potential stalking horse for the agency itself, for that group in NASA.
Remember, most of NASA, 18,000 people, is honest.
But there is a tiny group that has been manipulating this issue for over 20 years.
And I think Van Planner has fallen under the influence of that group.
And it's like, you know, he got me to promise not to do anything with these because they're so politically explosive.
And then they just sat on them for year after year after year until finally he debuted them himself last Thursday at this press conference, which, of course, has freed me from my promise.
And now an appropriate investigation can go forward.
And I feel really bad because I'm the one that promoted him for your show.
I put him on this show.
I supported his science.
He has a stunningly accurate, critically important model, the exploding planet hypothesis.
It will be proved ultimately to be correct.
It is a huge part of the hidden Mars story.
But what I've also found is that there has been an agenda for the last three years, and I can't reveal some sources on that yet, where Mr. Van Flandren has been trying to basically take over the Sidonia investigation and make himself the catbird in the catbird seat to the exclusion of a lot of other people, including our own work.
He would say that, you know, there are honest people in NASA and that we can't prove conspiracy and cover-up and we don't want to damage reputations.
And it's bunk.
You know, this is not an academic exercise.
This is for all the onions.
This is for the heart and soul of the human race.
If there really are beings who built things on Mars, who might be our lineal ancestors, who in fact might have, as he is proposing, put letters on the planet that are connected to our own alphabet, which is an astonishing idea if it's true, then you can't pussyfoot.
You can't timidly walk around and not look at the people who are deliberately, like Mike Malin, not telling us the truth.
Mike Malin, the night of that press conference a week ago on April 5th, the third anniversary of the cat box image, put another 10,230 images out on the web that he'd been sitting on for about a year.
And three more shots around the face on Mars, except he can't seem to hit it.
He's like those stormtroopers in the Star Wars movies.
You know how the safest thing to be on a Star Wars movie was with somebody not in a screen suit in a white suit?
April 27th, Friday evening, three weeks from tomorrow night.
We will have a one-hour special on the PAX Television Network with all the people, including Van Clander.
He's going to be represented on that special with his various ideas.
Basically the history of the Sidoni investigation to date, including Arthur C. Clarke's provocative comments.
And I've got another one for you tonight.
Anyway, before we close this out, I want to...
I think that meeting, remember, there was a meeting at NASA headquarters in the fall of 97.
And Ben Klanner was there, David Webb was there, DuPetro was there, Mark Carlotta was there.
I think that covers everybody.
Oh, and Nick Daniel.
And at this meeting, where nobody else was allowed in, I wasn't invited, you know, I tried to get me five light years away, there was a conversation.
And the guys came out afterwards representing that NASA looked very seriously at this and was going to take new images of Sidonia.
And nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened.
And you know, and I know, and the few million people who listen to us over our shoulders know that it was this audience and the facts that they sent to Dan Golden and those emails and the copies to all the networks that got those pictures taken three years ago last week.
Well, I have a feeling, and I can't prove it, I've got one first-hand report from one of the participants that I can't disclose, but there were some promises made in that meeting that I think the American people need to know about.
And what happened is the behavior of each of those participants after they came out of that meeting completely changed.
People who would talk to us wouldn't anymore.
People who had written books claiming that NASA, with documentation, had been covering up on Mars for 20-some years, on your show, recanted them.
So if I was a district attorney and I was looking to a key point in time when everybody went weird, when they went south on the crime being committed, which is a cover-up, a la Brookings, of the greatest discovery in the history of the human race, I would focus on what happened at that meeting and who was promised what and what they have done since.
I really think it's important that he be able to explain why he would want to keep these bundled up for three years by making you promise in such an absolute way that you wouldn't release them.
I really want to understand this, and that may be one way.
If instead of following the Van Flandren path three years ago, when, you know, remember, any case that you let get cold, it's harder and harder to get to the truth, right?
Right.
If we had followed the Holland path, which I would have put this stuff out, and I would have absolutely put both models on the table.
And maybe there's a guy that worked for Mailin, or maybe there's a guy or a gal at JPL that is an honest, patriotic American and was so incensed with what was going on, what they saw happening, that they took the opportunity to sneak these things in down on the DNM, which I've called the Rosetta Stone.
I mean, the humor here is the irony here is absolutely right, because the DNM is the Rosetta Stone in the classical model of the Rosetta Stone, which was the key to decoding Egyptian hieroglyphs back in the 1700s.
So to stick these letters on the DNM, which mathematically is the code key to breaking Mars, is, again, a level of humor which should not escape everybody.
And somebody, maybe somewhere, there is a patriotic American tonight who's just waiting for a press person to say, how do those letters get on that image?
I expect you've all seen the Planetary Society's Visions of Mars CD, which should have been taken there and is at the bottom of the Pacific tonight, by the way.
He goes on, I still hope the future colonists will have a chance of enjoying it.
Our knowledge of our exciting little neighbor has certainly increased enormously since the far-off days when Ray Bradbury, Bruce Murray, and I met at JPO before the Viking launch.
And Carl Sagan was also there, I should add.
Next paragraph.
I'm fairly convinced, this is Clark now.
I'm fairly convinced from recent images that there is vegetation on Mars.
And I wouldn't be surprised if you find something even more exciting.
Now, what's more exciting than vegetation?
Are we talking herds of Martian buffaloes stampeding across the pictures here?
He is as sharp now at 84 as he was when I met him 30-some years ago.
No, this is part of their plan.
This is part of why they were telling us about 2001.
It's time.
And I think, and I'm going to put in the new version of Monuments that we're almost ready to put out, some thoughts about him and me and Kubrick, which we've never put on paper before.
But I think this is part of a plan, part of the disclosure plan, not the cover-up crowd, but the get-it-out there crowd.
And I see Arthur is having a wonderful time.
I mean, that email is dripping into his classic humor, but it's boing right to the point.
I mean, on the upside, look at the extraordinary things we're about to experience.
When this mission, when his mission, and I'm going to call it that from now on, why not, gets to Mars in October and finally gets into the proper orbit at the end of December, we could have the most astonishing Christmas present because it carries an exquisite color camera with like 15 or 20 different spectral bands.
You know, you've got to admit from Arthur's perspective Christmas 2001 would be Oh, that would be just the right time to have that kind of news delivered from his point of view.
I've done shows with Richard before where something or another disappeared, and it's always some godforsaken thruster reason burn-up or atmospheric expansion or anything can happen.
It was, oh, it was at least a week, a week and a half ago.
I had a caller who said, Art, I see shadow people.
You know, like, I see dead people.
I see shadow people.
And that began a chain of events that's leading to the show that we're just now going to do.
I think we all have experienced this.
Well, maybe not, maybe not all.
As you know, I began the program Dreamland years and years and years ago.
And I wrote the intro to Dreamland.
You remember the intro to Dreamland?
You remember things seen in the corner of your eye, peripheral vision?
Well, I put that in there because it's one, to me, has always been one of life's great unexplained mysteries.
There seem to be things that you will see moving in your peripheral vision every now and then.
It's just like, what the hell was that?
It moved.
And you look, and there's nothing there.
Well, that's why I put that into the intro of Dreamland.
We got the call, what, a week and a half ago, I said, something like that.
And the person said, you know, Art, not only do I see them from the corner of my eye, but I'm beginning to see what I call shadow people clad in dark garb with usually with some kind of a cover over their head, a shroud or something.
And I'm seeing them straight on, Art.
Well, that began the avalanche.
I got no less than 4,500, 4,500 people bothered to sit down and email me long stories of what they've been seeing.
Art, I know you've received thousands of emails regarding the shadow people, but here's another one.
I've seen what I could only describe as black outlines shaped like people at night, almost always in a semi-sleeping state.
They've terrified me since I was 10 years old.
I'm 35 now.
The first time I saw them, I was 10 years of age.
There were four of them in the room.
I panicked, tried to run out of my bedroom, and kept flinging myself against my bedroom door, trying to push it open when it opened to the inside.
This happened in the middle of the night, and my poor mother wanted to Take me to a therapist when it repeatedly occurred.
Once, after rearranging my bedroom furniture, I saw one and got up to run out of the room and ended up in my closet instead, wrong door.
Needless to say, this has been rather disconcerting to my mother, ex-husband, and current husband.
Since I was a child of 10, my mother would come into the room because I was screaming in the middle of the night.
She said my eyes were open.
I appeared awake, but I was incoherent, terrified.
First time I read Whitley Streeber's Transformation, I began to wonder if I was perhaps being visited by aliens.
So, and it goes on and on.
It's a long story.
Dear Art, I can't help but write this email to you.
The subject has plagued me my entire life, and until I heard your program last week, I had no name for my, in quotes, difficulties.
During my childhood, even from birth, my parents and friends noticed that I knew things or saw people that no one else saw.
At nighttime, I remember sitting in bed and holding conversations with people inside my bedroom.
They'd come to me and sometimes while sitting on my bed, they'd talk to me.
Now, as an adult, I would be skeptical of this story if I didn't actually have proof from my parents who heard the conversations.
My mother particularly remembers seeing me sitting straight up in bed talking to someone and listening as a man answered me.
These visits came constantly, and of course, there were the positive and friendly visitors and the ones that would cause me to scream and become a horrible insomniac for six months at a time.
I remember these people so vividly, the good, the bad.
I can still see them in front of me.
And it goes on and on about the encounter and on and on.
And as these go on and on, 4,500 emails, folks, here's another one from Susan.
It was no surprise when I heard on the Art Bell show about the shadow people.
I haven't seen one face to face, but I've lately been seeing out of the corner of my eye that which quickly disappears and a very definite presence standing behind me.
And when I turn around, there's nothing there.
I mentioned it to a friend of mine who's from Cuba about Art Bell's program on the shadow people.
And before I even had a chance to tell him about the program, he blurted out, I forgot to tell you, I saw one of them.
He then went on to describe how he'd been sitting at the computer practicing sending digital photos to his brother, who's in the same area, Anaheim, when he felt someone in the room with him.
He had just sent a photo and turned around to see a being in the shape of a human, although not very tall, covered all in black except for the eyes, which he said were red and round.
He said it had what appeared to be two arms, two legs, and not very tall.
When he disappeared, the computer simultaneously malfunctioned, he adds.
And I, you know, I could just go on and on.
You're getting the idea right.
Art, my name is Jonathan.
17 years old.
I'm in Sarasota.
I prefer not to give my last name.
A few years ago, I started seeing shadow people.
Didn't know what to make of it at first until they actually began to talk to me.
And I told my parents, they sent me to a doctor to see if there was something wrong with Miart.
The doctor found nothing.
Since then, the encounters have gotten worse.
The beings tell me things I don't understand.
Sometimes I can understand a few words and actions.
They seem to have human emotion.
And from what I've seen, they show anger, sadness, frustration, depression.
When I first started seeing them, there was one that stood out from the rest.
I notice the others don't talk to him as much, and I have no idea why.
Most of them display average human size.
Their speed is unreal.
I've seen them race across my room so fast that I can't even see them.
They don't walk.
They glide like birds.
They make no sound except voices, art.
I'm not crazy.
I can't deal with it anymore.
I can't talk to anyone about this without them thinking I'm crazy.
Tonight on your show, please bring up the shadow people.
Well, this was some time ago.
Please read my email.
Please give me some information on the subject so I can find a way to get rid of them.
Thank you, Jonathan.
So, there, a little sample for you.
Okay, and I've got about 4,497 more I could read to you.
I won't do that, of course.
But I tried to pursue somebody who could talk about this, who would know something about it, and I have found Thunder Strikes, and we'll see what he's all about.
Thunderer Strikes is a twisted hair's elder and a Nagwa leader within the sweet medicine sundance path.
His diverse background in ceremonial medicine, comparative religions, psychology, ancient mystery, school traditions, and the martial arts contributes to his remarkable skill as a contemporary shaman.
Descended from the eastern Cherokee and Irish parents, that means he's Matei, he's half and a half, Thunder Strikes was guided from a very young age by his grandmother, Spotted Fawn, a Cherokee medicine woman.
His early training motivated him to seek excellence in many arenas.
Accomplished in the martial arts, he was inducted into the martial arts World Hall of Fame in 1994.
Wow.
As a teacher, shamanic counselor and healer, he inspires and enriches the lives of many apprentices and students worldwide.
He is author of the book titled Song of the Deer, along with Jan Orsi, one of his apprentices.
Yes, my mother's mother was a very, very powerful medicine woman, and especially herbalist.
And in fact, even the local medical doctors when I was a kid would come to her when they couldn't figure out what to do with themselves.
And I was about the only grandchild that really had any interest in what she was doing.
And so, you know, she'd go out and say, well, here's, you know, these maggots, they're Grandmother Earth's little surgeons.
And she healed one of the wealthy men in town's son from deafness by putting them inside his ears and packing them with a black walnut POTUS and things that seemed very bizarre.
And I thought, well, this is not so bizarre.
This is Grandmother Earth.
This is nature.
And I just kind of hooked into it.
And one thing led to another, and I stayed with it.
And I think I've definitely, in fact, I know I've definitely got some answers for some of these people.
To do so is quite interesting.
So the first thing I need to say, Mr. Bell, is that I came into this journey and in learning about knowledge from these elders that are called Twisted Hairs.
And the center of that elders group are a group of very, very old and wise men and women that are called the Zero Chiefs.
They spent their time studying the universe, studying the mysteries of the universe, discovered the sigma value of 9 and really unveiled the true nature of Zero, the universe.
They were talking about dark matter and black holes and what even before science was even invented, much less, you know, went that direction.
Yes, using basically what's called Ha Selugi, which means it's a root derivative going back to the Omec, the Mayan, the Aztec, all the way up into the Cherokee.
See, basically, there's only two root languages in Native American language, and that's Anashinabi, which say they came from the stars, and the Athabascan, which say they came from out in the lower worlds, like the Hopi and the Nalahoe and so forth.
Or actually, the Dene, which is their true name.
And I was fortunate enough to study with a man, Grandfather Tom Wilson, who's since passed over.
That was the pseudo-name that was used in Carlos Castanedo's books, Don Genato or Giannado.
Now, I get this permission from the Council of Elders, means Twisted Hairs, to talk about the Shadow People.
Because the first time that they recorded the incidences of the Shadow People was in 1153 B.C. And this organization, by the way, goes all the way back thousands of years before Christ.
And they were originally called the Rattlesnake School.
And they formulated themselves in 1253 B.C. in Oaxaca, down in the Yucatan.
And I thought a lot this week.
I thought, oh, boy, great.
You know, here's the first time I decide to really do anything public.
And I'm supposed to speak about something that I have been told not to talk about until the timing was right.
Well, interestingly enough, what are called the Nagwa Lineage Group, which is basically the eight elders that give me permission to teach anything that I teach, and I don't share anything in these wheels and keys and teachings that they have not given me permission to do so.
And it's a matriarchal society, so it's primarily eight grandmothers that are very, very tough grandmas.
And the quickening is the time period in which, if I want to use, you know, I'm trying to use language so I don't have to go back into my root language.
If I use the terms karma and dharma, the quickening, the awakening was the period from 1980 to 2000, in which the majority of the people are going to discover the reality that they choose their lessons before they come here.
They use 80% of their free will in choosing their life, writing their book of life, and they come here to learn what they've come to learn.
When we finish that series of incarnations, then we switch over and we go to another stream.
We go to the Dharma stream.
And in the Dharma stream, That's where we have opportunity.
There's not any real lessons to learn.
There's just opportunity.
And it's a whole new cycle of life.
So the quickening is now occurring.
People are stepping into Dharma.
And the prophecies say that there are eight horses in this race.
The gold horse is one that carries the vision of individual autonomous freedom by the ability to assume authority emotionally and mentally, to take responsibility physically and sexually, and most importantly, to stand spiritually accountable for the next seven generations.
A lesson, by the way, that I think our national and national leaders could well use, starting with Clinton first.
But we don't have too many leaders today that are giving us any kind of an example of real benevolent wisdom in leadership.
In the land of the eagle, in the land of the lizard, which is basically South America, that there would come a time when the talking leaves of the land of the eagle would hang by a silver thread, the Constitution, and that there would be an election that would split the beast asunder, and that it would go in two separate directions.
We are at the bottom of the hour, so just relax for a moment.
You and I are going to talk about telephones for a second during the break, and we'll be right back.
My goodness, he has a Ross Mitchell kind of bass in his voice, doesn't he?
Pretty bassy stuff, pretty interesting stuff.
And we're about to get there.
We're going to talk about the shadow people.
Why we're suddenly beginning to see them in such numbers, or have we simply stumbled into something that always has been, or is it all beginning to quicken?
Yeah, especially when you become a gunnery sergeant and a drill instructor and those kind of things, and you're booming your voice out at the low volume.
See, if you were to take, let's say you were Cheyenne, I was Cherokee, other brothers and sisters were different tribes, and for whatever reason, we realized that we had both the religion of our people, the spiritual way of our people, but it just didn't work.
It didn't give us enough answers.
It didn't give us enough connection to the mysteries and to the things that we wanted to know in the realms of knowledge.
So we would go and travel.
We'd go travel to different tribes.
We'd travel to talk to different people.
And in doing so, we began to realize that, look, there was a lot more than one way to skin a cat here.
There was a connecting link to the universe here that different people chose to approach in different ways.
And so consequently, we would start looking for truth.
We'd look for truth that works.
And these gentlemen, these women, gradually started to meet each other, and they formed into what was called the Rattlesnake Scoop.
And interesting enough, they say the roots go all the way back to a planet called Osiria-Canuea in the Cannis Major constellation, and the dog star Sirius was their grandfather's son.
And that they came here approximately 172,000 years ago, bringing with them an ark, an ark of the crystal skulls.
And that that's where the sum total of knowledge of the 11 planets with human life in our solar system, or our galaxy, we don't even have the right words for it, our universe.
And with them, about 22,000 years ago, Mr. Bell, they wrote a prophecy called the Rainbow Bridge Prophecy.
And it speaks of eight horses in a race, the horse symbolizing the carrying or the transportation of the philosophies and the belief systems and the core beliefs of the people.
And that these horses were running, and they're running towards the date at which all the Native American Turtle Island people shut off their calendar, which is 2012.
Because they see that we will develop into full human beings, humanity, humans, and unity, and we will be teaching one another, sharing with one another, caring with one another, healing one another, loving one another with individual autonomous freedom.
But our number one enemy is ignorance, superstition, slavery, dogma, you know, the dark side.
And see, I think that from 1980 to 2000, when we were in the awakening, you take this chronic stress fatigue syndrome malady that's going around.
That was almost nonexistent until approximately 83, 84, somewhere in there when they first started diagnosing different cases.
And that's right in the first four years of the awakening.
And the awakening was moving over from one cycle, one pattern, one timing of life experience called karma, for lack of a better term.
We call it Shilimata, but let's just say karma because that's kind of a universal word, and stepped over into Dharma, or what we call Shilimatahe.
And when we did that, the speed of life, the actual circle of life, which is we basically, our people say we go around the wheel of life once every, you know, twice every three years.
Well, in Dharma, we go around that same life experience 13 times every three years.
And all of a sudden, the speed, the pace, the timing, I mean, there's not a person I talk to that doesn't talk about how it just seems like time is moving so much faster.
And that is indeed true.
Humans' metabolism is speeding up.
And that's why we're seeing more and more and more prevalence of the shadow people.
Because in essence, if you take every time we have a negative thought, every time we have guilt, blame, shame, fear, anger, resentment, jealousy, envy, grig, greed, possessiveness, you know, insecurity, resentment, we're projecting that energetic out of our luminosity, out of our soul being, our spirit, if you want to call it that, and into the ethers, into the universe.
The implication of that would be, though, that there's some force that's already in existence that we're completing with these negative emotions, but that there's some form there prior to our completing its existence.
I would say that what we're doing is we're assembling them into our world of perceptual reality because they exist in a parallel dimension.
Within the seven streams of reality, the seven streams or seven dimensions of reality, there are actually 72 parallel dimensions to either side that the Zero Chiefs discovered.
And these include your fifth dimension when you're dreaming at night.
And every night when you dream, you demonstrate what our people call the Larin, the energy-sensitive perceptions of awareness.
You go to heightened awareness and see what you're doing.
So then you will excuse me if I get a little crude for you.
I'm not as eloquent as you, but basically, if you were to see a shadow person a little more than in peripheral vision, it would scare the out of you, right?
And see, if you know anything about animals, and I, you know, I'm not Dr. Doolittle, but I definitely learned to communicate with animals over my life because we call the animals sweet medicine.
And because they have a natural harmony and a natural balance and alignment, and you don't see a dog going to a psychotherapist to learn why it's not a cat.
I mean, you know, a dog's a dog and a cat's a cat.
You've got to realize that almost every form of everything inside of what we call the sacred laws of creation or the evolutionary laws is that all forms of all things are potentially transformable into all forms of all other things.
And energy once created cannot be destroyed.
It can simply be altered in the essence of its energy expression, its energy Form.
So these inorganic beings are parallel dimensional beings, is the best way to refer to them that are pulled into our dimensions, especially through the dream time, and engage and interact with us.
The reason they occur out of the peripheral of the vision is because we need to pick them up with our other eyes.
We have 10 eyes, we have five ears, we're much more complex than medical science recognizes.
We've even got a third genetic spiral they're just now playing with called the ETA, the evolutionary transformational agent.
We're a luminous being, and we have a tremendous capability of perception.
The entire path and the things I study with the power of the people.
That we're seeing them with a lack of a better phrase, a psychic eye or an eye that is now because the metabolism is moving faster, it's just the mind seeing it.
If I said to you that you not only have your left and your right eye, your normal awareness eye, but everyone's very aware of the third eye, which is in the forehead.
But when you're asleep and dreaming at night, do you not see, and in fact, we describe dream time as rapid eye movement.
Your eyes are moving, but your eyelids are closed.
So how is it possible?
What are you seeing with?
Well, that's the fifth eye, which approximately is in the top of the soft spot of a baby's head when it's born.
Well, if they're feeding on the negative emotions, whatever negative emotion might be present, that suggests to the average person that if they're seeing them, probably that's not such a good thing because there must be a lot of negative emotions flying about, right?
But now let's take it another line of premise, that if I'm getting rid of and giving away my negativity and it can be absorbed very much like a maggot, which is kind of revolting and repulsive to some people, you realize that you could put a maggot inside someone's ear that's got a huge abset.
It will eat away all the rotten flesh and not touch the actual living vital tissue of the eardrum.
You take them out and their grandmother's little surgeons.
So are they dark?
Yes, because they feed off of that energy.
Are they necessarily a part of evil?
It takes a wide stretch of the imagination and a tremendous amount of fear to see them that way.
Well, look, some of them have been in tears, writing in tears, because they've seen these beings all their life.
Nobody ever said a word about them.
All of a sudden on my program, here we are talking about them.
They were literally in tears because they've been holding on to this all their life.
Well, yeah, I guess, you know, yeah, maybe, thinking they're crazy, scared to talk to anybody else about it, scared to even admit it To their loved ones.
Fear is a natural state of the human because of the molding, the sculpting, the armoring of the image makers and the people that are significant reflections to us.
And we develop fears that are frequently totally ungrounded.
And these inorganic beings, these shadow entities or beings, which we call shadow people because it's the closest thing in our normal awareness that we can identify with.
Sure.
Their truth is they're a little more like small human sort of bat-like figures.
The description of the cloak that they see or the shroud, one person was very tuned in.
If we would just have some of you out there who have actually full on seen these shadow people sit down and do a drawing for us of what you saw to the best of your ability.
Scan it and send it to my webmaster.
That's webmaster at artbell.com.
That's how you send it.
JPEGs are preferred JPG files.
We could then compare what people have seen.
Isn't that a good idea?
Get an idea of what people have seen.
So those of you that have seen them full on, draw it, scan it, send it tonight, within the hour, let's say, to webmaster at heartbell.com, and we will have an interesting experiment, won't we?
I think the best way to answer that, Art, would be that it's really a positive thing for them without a question, beyond a question of a doubt.
Just like any parasite that feeds off of another animal.
But if you look at, for example, any parasitic relationship, the host actually experiences some gain, but it's not enough to make up for the fact that the parasite will eventually take their entire energy.
And that's what we're dealing with in this quickening.
As our metabolism speeds up, they become more present in our assembling of our World of a reality from how we're choosing to perceive our reality.
And as we kick in these other eyes, if you were to imagine a luminous egg, you've got an elliptical surface, do you not?
Due to refraction of light coming from both inside you at what's called your assemblage point, outside your luminosity, you'll pick it up through the third eye, which is, or the fifth eye, which are both very, very tuned in and very sensitive to spiritual essence or presence of energies and entities and vibrations and spirits, both incarnate and disincarnate, that we normally do not see at what's called normal awareness.
Therefore, the more we are in our dark side, the more we're dancing with the dark horse of evil, the more they're going to feed until they become strong enough to start appearing in our actual third-dimensional world with straight-on vision, straight-on.
And consequently, the minute the cat tunes in, and if you've seen your cat walk across and all of a sudden it's very obvious he's going on his little route, you know how nonchalant cats can be.
And one of our teachings is that we're evolving to the human stage where our metabolism will start to speed up to the point of what you could almost call formlessness.
If I said that, ah, Jesus' resurrection was really his virgin birth, and that was the moment that he turned formless, came back in the appearance that Simon Peter would recognize and say, touch me as you knew me, I am as you knew me.
But the virgin birth, that's resurrection, that's formlessness.
The ability to assemble into your luminous agar cocoon the physical body that would normally appear through the birth cycle in your next incarnation.
We have that kind of power.
And I just took a little jump out there, maybe on a sidetrack, and I apologize for that.
But carrots and a cat-like mind and a cat-like body is where we're supposed to be.
Much of this UFO, the little gray people and the lizard people and so forth, they come from a dimensional planet that, if you want to look at it as the Great Spirit's grand design, was the experimental phase.
I mean, you know, our people don't approach the symbolism of a God.
We approach it as the everything, the universe, the sacred creation, the Great Spirit.
Yeah, and if the only way they can step into Dharma is to come in and express that in one final blasphemous, you know, riot down the runway of life, then they're going to.
And, of course, that just draws this energy into a stronger and stronger morphogenetic field.
And of course, that's why we want to look at the gold horse instead of the dark horse and start figuring out how to deal with our own dark side, our own shadow.
Well, even Jung referred to it as the shadow.
And start approaching it from a place of understanding we can get rid of our dark side by the way in which we live our lives in relationship to other human beings.
And that's what we're here for.
This is a laboratory.
This is university.
And I think we're here to grow and learn.
And we're here to learn how to live together.
And I'm not talking about integration.
I'm talking about basically being able to live together in a gathering-together circle in which we are proud of the differences.
Well, the end point of the dark horse prophecy is Civil War II in the Americas and World War III, when the land of the bear, which is considered to be Russia, the land of the weasel, which is the Middle East, and the land of the dragon, which is China, combine together as one allied unit against the land of the eagle and bring it down and rip its feathers from its existence.
And look at what we're currently dealing with with China.
They're sitting in our back door in the Panama Canal.
They have major control of six major harbors in the United States.
When are we going to wake up?
Our military has been downsized to the point where we couldn't even hold a strong DEF CON 2.
If you're familiar with the DEF CON statuses, that means we could not launch what we had at the beginning of Pearl Harbor, and we were pretty weak then.
And so the gray people or the dark shadow people must have been running around gathering strength like crazy.
And every time I suppose a major event in time occurs, the assassination of a president of the United States, oh, my God, the outpouring of grief and fear and anger and negative emotions must just really pump these little inorganic things up.
And that's why I had to get permission to speak about this.
We're reaching the point of the quickening.
And the quickening includes the quickening of both good and evil.
Now it becomes a real full-out race.
If you watch the horse race, you know it's the jockey always gives them the spurs and the whip and quirk, and they move them right to the finish line in that last quarter link.
And that's what we're doing.
We're in the last decade, the last 10 years, which is called the quickening.
So it's that race to that final point.
And that was so completely in the arena of free choice, free will, that they didn't bother to extend the calendar past that point because they said either we will become human beings gathered together in circles of unity or we will create a civil war in the Americas and World War III and who knows where it'll go from there.
All right, when you went to the elders to seek permission to talk about this tonight, what was the, in the Supreme Court, it would be the dissenting opinion.
What was the dissenting side?
Why did they feel perhaps the public shouldn't be told this?
The two dissenting votes out of the eight were both saying that normally this would have been brought to the forefront in 2004.
That the election at that time is a critical turning point as to whether we'll go really to the dark or to the light horse.
And that by putting this out ahead of time, it can be a detrimental effect on those people who live in the prey victim syndrome world.
And there's only two kinds of animals, no matter whether it's a two-legged, a four-legged, a winged, or whatever, and that's predators and prey.
The key is that you can be both a malevolent predator, a criminal, or if you're, for example, a law-abiding firearms owner, you can be a benevolent predator.
So if a woman is being attacked, raped, and assaulted, that's violence.
And she shoots a man with a 357 Magnum, or better yet, a 45 coat, that's force.
I'd like to go to the phones because I know a lot of you have questions about these shadow people.
Now, I think we just got quite a few answers, but I know you've got questions, and I hope that those of you with a capability are making the drawings, scanning them, and sending them to webmaster at artbell.com so we can all have at least some form of visual of what you've seen straight on.
In the meantime, we're about to open up the phone lines.
Don't touch that dial.
unidentified
MUSIC Spread the sand, spread the touch.
There's something inside that we need to watch.
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the spread of a new speaker in the ground.
There are flowers to be covered and then to burst up to turn back to the sun again.
And in fact, that's why they were first brought into awareness.
If you look at what was going on in approximately the 1100s B.C. here in the Americas, and that's when we first began to see, up to that point, there was very little tribal warfare, very little.
So, in about two minutes, I'm informed by my webmaster that the first three or four drawings, rather, that have been scanned that he considers interesting are going to be up there.
Are you able to do that, or are you on the line that your computer would use to get on the internet?
Okay, for the rest of you, as a matter of fact, very soon now, we're going to have it up on the website.
And what you do is you go to program tonight's guest, scroll down to Thunder Strikes, and when Keith gets the drawings up there, in the next few minutes, we'll all be able to look together and see what they are.
So you might have, if anybody's assisting you there, Thunder, you might have them get on my website and get ready.
Well, actually, to tonight's program and then tonight's guest info.
That would be you.
And then you'd see the name Thunder Strikes.
And then when my webmaster gets them up there, in the next 10 minutes at least, we'll all be able to look together and I'd be very curious what it is people have been seeing.
In the meantime, I'd like to go to the phones.
And I'm going to think about the fact that they're our creation.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Thunder Strikes.
Actually, I have a question because I have quite a few things that do happen to me, but this is like only the second time I've heard about this, and I'm really curious as to whether this could be shadow people or ghosts that I'm experiencing, because I always just figured it was ghosts.
I think what she's seeing is that they're both incarnate and disincarnate spirits, which you might call ghosts.
And then you're dealing with poltergeists, which are basically a phenomenon of an interesting phenomenon, the projection of adolescence just coming into the age of puberty.
And I think what she's seeing is, let me ask you this.
Sarah, when you saw their appearance, did you see them to the right side or to the left side?
Oh, geez.
And can you give a basic description of the thing you were doing at the time?
What was the event that you were experiencing at the moment?
unidentified
Oh, geez.
I'm trying to think.
I think I see them from both sides.
I honestly haven't ever really paid attention to that.
But a lot of times it just happens late at night when I'm sitting at the computer.
I notice a lot when I'm sitting at the computer, and usually only at night.
And a lot of times lately, just the past few nights, actually, laying in bed, like I'll see little flashes out of the corner of my eye, and I look and nothing's there.
And, you know, if I could just ask a few other quick questions that occurrences, I mean, I've also, I don't know if this sounds strange at all, but I have felt breathing in my face before.
What those are is that you've got to realize that ancestor spirit beings, loved ones that have crossed over to the other side, frequently come back and because they assembled us into their world, and then they have left our world, but we still have them assembled there.
It's our heart space.
It's our connection to them.
And so we can feel that breath of life, which is why it's so critical when a newborn takes their first breath of life.
That's when their luminosity lights up, shall we say.
And so that's what you're experiencing there.
The inorganic beings are the shadow people, they definitely are attracted to electromagnetic energies.
See, that's why as our metabolism increases art, our heightened awareness brings them into the normal awareness screen of perception, where we're moving, like, say, at the speed of sound, but they're operating in a parallel dimension and in the dimension which we can access to heightened awareness.
One thing I would like to say to this sister is, hon, just because you're dead doesn't make you smart.
So they're there, but just because they're in that other world before they come back into the next incarnation, sometimes they can give you good advice just like your parents can, and sometimes they're just dead wrong.
unidentified
Oh, no.
They warned me of the fire.
They told me what I would be at every age that I asked them.
They became my best friends after my father's death.
That I don't want to use this image because I don't want to lead anybody to it.
People are so easily led in the mind.
That, you know, like you see, Cal Drax leading his coach or the vampire type thing.
And since we've used that word, maybe unfortunately, parasitic would probably be better than vampiristic.
But they have a sort of a, if you look at the one that's on the screen on the computer, that's much more accurate.
But you see the fast movement, and because the extin length of the arms and the legs and the shortness of the mid-torso, as you catch it as them going away from you, if you understand anything with geometry, it's going to create a triangular or sort of a triangle over a parallelogram.
unidentified
Yeah, I was an aerospace engineer.
That's why I was so fascinated about that second one.
The third one was almost a tentacled thing that went through the trees.
Well, you've got to understand, if you were raised in the world I was raised in as a child, I learned that everything around me in nature was a part of me.
And that even anything that we create in industry or technology, the computer is nothing but a projected image in technology of the way our basic inner brain-mind functions.
The brain's simply a transmitter-receiver station of the mind.
unidentified
Yeah, well, I've always been close to animals and shellfishing.
And so we have an absolute interconnection, interdependence, and interreliability with all forms of all other things.
It's a sacred law.
And there are water, wind, earth, fire, and, you know, spirit energies that exist in the fourth dimension, and therefore they can become very, very present in our dimension.
There's also those kinds of energies that exist in the fifth dimension, meaning primarily in dream time.
And those dream beings can force you into a shadow dream.
If you're in a shadow dream, it's like you're looking at yourself on a television set.
You're not in contact or presence in the dream.
When you have that kind of dream, you need to train yourself to wake up, go to the bathroom, go get a drink of water.
unidentified
Right.
Okay, can I just move on to number five real quick?
Yes, go ahead.
Okay.
As a matter of fact, I was sleeping and I woke up.
My dog was kind of panting or something.
And I woke up and I sat up and walking, well, it darted at me at first.
But what was funny was my dog was sitting there looking 30 degrees away from it, staring at the wall.
You know, so it was like it was seeing it, but not in the same space I was.
And as I looked at it, it came at me real quick and then slowed down.
And, you know, my religious belief, I said the Hail Mary in about 10 seconds.
Huge, dark, the blackest of black came towards me.
And the weirdest thing was, the first thought I thought is, I can't believe this is Zorro.
He looked just like Zorro, the shape.
He had the cape and the hat, but he was just all black.
And what happened to me was that he came towards me and he grabbed my neck.
And he kind of, he didn't push me down.
I just like laid down and he had his hand, I guess, in my neck, and he was moving it around.
And then he backed up, and then he just floated away.
But what happened was...
1985.
And three or four days later, I got a lump in my throat.
And then a month later, it was getting bigger.
And so I had to go to the doctor.
And they ended up telling me that I had a type of cancer in my thyroid.
Now, it wasn't a cancer that would spread, but I had to have my thyroid taken out.
And I'm on centroid now, you know, for the rest of my life.
But it was very weird.
And I have Such a big mouth, and in my family, they all just don't listen to me.
But they all just think I'm nuts.
But the thing is, I told everybody, I tell everybody all the weird things that happened to me, and they just laughed it off.
But I've always known it was something.
And the odd thing about this is that after that, it took me 10 years, but after that, I started thinking very differently about my life and what's going on and who we are.
And I changed my life.
Now, I look back now and know in 1985 I was not doing well as a human.
And it took me, well, in 10 years, but I got rid of all the negativity in my life.
You know, I maybe shouldn't have used the word vampire because I really don't want people to take off in that direction too heavily, but they're parasites.
And, of course, what's interesting is the number of different pictures we have on here of different energies that do exist and can come over into our invention and be very present.
But The problem here, both of you, is I agree, there probably are some wonderful ones out there, but if the average citizen had a gun that would kill whatever entity they saw dead, we'd have nothing but dead entities, good and bad.
I mean, people are so frightened out of fear.
unidentified
Well, that's the thing, though.
That's why I'm glad he's making a distinction, because it is important for people to not automatically be afraid.
When you see me in the middle of the night cleaning the place.
So I was done with my job, and I decided I would spend some time trying to stop the world, not do meditate, what have you.
And I sat there and I just looked in the mirrors that surround the whole place until basically, for lack of better words, the world fell away.
And up out of the distance came a creature that I could only really describe as a six-foot black cricket would be the best way I could describe this creature.
And Art talked earlier about creatures who beguile and want you to come with them or do something.
This creature wanted me to come with him into this strange landscape, this nothingness.
But what was coming from the distance off the side was something dark and menacing, you bet.
The Jin are there are many classifications of Jin.
From what I understand from a friend of mine that's a practitioner in your people's world, in your people's way, they say they have 72 different varieties or variations of the Jinn, one of which would be what we're now discussing, which is the shadow beings of the shadow people.
And the second one was really, I'm going to ask a similar question to the previous caller, but more generally, I've always wanted to have some conscious experience of something in the otherworldly or some evidence of something spiritual.
And I was just wondering if you could advise how one might cultivate that kind of experience, not necessarily negative intensity.
Keep your bare arms because I'm very, like I said, pro-Second Amendment and very proactive with our preservation of our Constitution for crying out loud.
When anywhere from three to seven years after a passing, we feel that contact through, you know, our fifth eye, and especially in our dream time, and those have caught our memories.
unidentified
No, it's when I meditate, when I say prayers before meals, it's on and off all during the day.
Basically, it's the entire first shield of teachings, the first body of teachings about the sweet medicine sundance.
And we include in there how to do positive discharging of your emotional content, your personality and events, your projective pretense, and get rid of the negativity in both a practical, realistic manner.
It's a teaching about the whole luminous A cocoon.
For those that have read Costaneda, he gave you great school.
Well, I mean, you've got to realize I'm putting you on a form of communication, but I definitely know the shadow being to me, but that's not the biggest thing.
unidentified
That's not what they do.
Okay, that's one thing I was worried about because we sold the house and I didn't want to turn the house over to somebody and have it have some kind of dimensionality.
Now, if you've never heard my program, which I guess you probably haven't, rods are going to be very difficult to explain to you.
A man named Joseus Camillia has been taking extremely high-speed photography and capturing in this photography these long rod-like shapes which appear to be alive, appear to be darting around, almost, he calls them sky fish.
And we've got countless photographs of them, but you can't, again, you can just barely see them kind of in the corner of your eye in peripheral vision occasionally.
Everything in the universe is interconnected to a series of darting beams of light, which are called the threads of awareness for our people.
And they are photographable.
You can see them.
If you're a pilot and you get up above 25, 30,000 feet, they're extremely visible up there.
I don't know who your gentleman is that's doing the photography, but if you get up in an aircraft, get up around 25, 30,000 feet, especially at sunset or sunrise, he would be blown away.
And Mr. Thunderstrikes, thanks, because I think you're filling in a lot of the blanks for people.
Well, I appreciate that.
I certainly hope so.
Yeah, and I'm kind of hoping that you could fill in maybe a couple for me, too.
These might be related issues, may not.
I have seen shadow people before, primarily when I was a teenager, and I was just very highly emotional.
But anyways, I have this, when I was a child, I had experiences with extraterrestrial beings, spaceships, and that kind of thing, which was then followed by a period where a Sasquatch, I believed anyways, a Sasquatch would come and stand in the corner of my room at night.
And the twin females are the really benevolent ones.
When they're males, one will be the harbinger of evil and one will be the protector of the innocent.
unidentified
It's a very peculiar phenomenon.
You know, what's really strange is that while there was this one that was standing in my room, okay, I would also sense that there was another one that was outside of the house walking around in the yard.
He was looking for a foe to speak or he was in a bag that he was way behind and was willing to make a deal.
But he came across this young man sewing on the fiddle and playing a pot.
And the devil jumped upon the paper and jumped on him and took your watch.
I get so much, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
And if you care to take it there, I'll make a bet with you.
Now, you play a pretty good fiddle, boy, to give the devil his view.
I'll put a fiddle of gold against your soul to think I'm better too.
The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet, you're going to regret it.
It was wrapped with a sinew, and she told me that I should keep it around my neck always.
And if I didn't wear it around my neck, I should keep it in a box with fresh cornmeal.
Now, is this something that I still do it because I'm pretty superstitious by nature, but is there something to this, or is she just having a good laugh at my expense?
Hi, my name's Dorothy, and I'm calling from Philadelphia.
Okay.
And my question is that two years ago, I had breast cancer, and I've since been cured.
But before I was diagnosed, I would have these, maybe two or three times, experience with a man dressed in black with a big black hat and a black cape.
And I thought I was crazy.
But one time he was like coming at me, and the other time he was just standing there.
But I could not, it would be after waking up, but I could not move.
I was like paralyzed.
I couldn't talk.
And it was very scary.
But ever since I, you know, was diagnosed and then cured, I haven't had any experiences like that.
I've always had God in my life, and I feel that, you know, I'm not really afraid of them because it never hurt me.
But, you know, is this the same thing that you're talking about with the...
I know not about the many blacks in my military service.
Maybe we'll do a whole nother show on the men in black.
Okay, and if I could just say one more thing, I think we've scared ourselves a little bit, but if we could just kind of move out from these shadow people into the light now and talk about what we can do to stop it.
And they can also go to our Deer Tribe at Deertribe.org because that's our page of all the medicine and the shamanic teachings we do and what have you all over the world.
Grandfather was an expert, but I learned as much from that man as I could in the years that I studied with him.
And unfortunately, he crossed over to 108, and I didn't get to learn everything I would like to learn, but I'm still trying to learn myself from other elders.
And so, you know, the thanks really goes to my relations that have taught me what I now have shared with you.
Listen, tonight, when we come back, we're going to be doing Ghost to Ghost AM.
There will be no guests tomorrow night at all.
It's going to be all you.
So this is one of those programs where you want to notify your friends, neighbors, relatives, whatever.
You know, send them a note, send them an email, tell them Ghost to Ghost is coming up tonight.
It's all you, and it's all your ghost stories.
And it'll be on an interesting day when you think about it.
It'll be on Friday the 13th.
Yeah, I planned it that way.
Anyway, we're out of time.
And so ghost to ghosts, tell your friends, don't forget, stations, that we now provide three hours of pre-feed of the previous night's program before we begin each live night's program.