Paul Coulbeck joins Art Bell to discuss Daniel Hammer’s 1975 abduction by aliens from Clandon, a "sister world" two universes away, who revealed granite-based propulsion using magnetic energy—far beyond human tech. Hammer’s first craft prototype exploded in his garage; the second, disguised as a water tower, vanished into space, causing power blackouts. His lost microfilm skin implant held blueprints, while aliens warned of "Dim Sun Dark Star," a cosmic threat every 33,000 years linked to human negativity, measurable via EEGs. Global interest—including granite artifacts in Brazil and Chile—and failed replication attempts hint at suppressed knowledge, suggesting ancient civilizations like those behind Stonehenge may have used similar tech, now buried in misinterpreted history. [Automatically generated summary]
And I can't read it all because it ran off the page.
It was too wide to print.
But it comes complete, replete with photographs and pictures and everything.
Mauna Kea, Hawaii, I guess that's how you say it.
In what is being hailed as one of the most stunning and significant miscalculations in history, astronomers at the W.M. Keck Observatory in Wauna Kea, Hawaii announced today that the sun, which has long been expected to continue burning for another five to six billion years, is now expected apparently to run out of fuel and collapse on Thursday.
Said Dr. Jerry Nelson, we were a little off, said to be project scientist at the observatory.
While the nature of the miscalculation is only vaguely understood, astronomers and observatories around the world concur with the new finding.
This is a joke, folks.
The sun, also known as the star soul, has provided the light and heat essential to every form of life on Earth for the past 4.5 billion years, and experts agree living without it is likely to present some problems.
I get this, says Nelson, quote, the Earth's surface temperatures will drop by as much as 60 degrees Fahrenheit by Friday morning and will bottom out at about 452 degrees Fahrenheit by Saturday afternoon.
Nelson, meteorologists and local authorities are recommending that all Americans purchase a few extra blankets and jackets.
And then it goes on to talk about the oceans freezing over and so forth and so on.
But it is, you know, it comes replete with a bright picture of the sun, which we're used to seeing, and then a sort of pathetically diminished, dying, lightless, nearly lightless sun on the right.
However, the photo on the left does depict, it must be recent, it depicts some really interesting sunspots.
I want to be sure that everybody understands that, of course, is not serious.
There is enough serious stuff going on, though.
From Guam, the crew of a U.S. spy plane back on American territory Thursday after being held for 12 days in China in a diplomatic showdown that ended after President Bush said the U.S. was, quote, very sorry for a Chinese pilot's death and the U.S. plane's landing without permission.
The 21 men and three women boarded a continental Boeing 737 that took off at about 7.30 a.m. local time from the civilian airport on the island.
It quickly disappeared into the cloudy sky, bound for the U.S. military of Guam, and then on to Hawaii.
So wherever you guys and gals are, welcome back.
Glad to have you.
We were getting seriously concerned here.
Fans have stampeded at a packed soccer stadium in Johannesburg tonight, South Africa, and 43 people are dead and 150 more are injured.
Two of the dead children.
The stampede occurred during a match between two popular teams at Ellis Park Stadium.
Witnesses say the stadium was vastly overcrowded and erupted into chaos after the Orlando Pirates scored a goal against the Premier League rival Kaiser Chiefs.
So, soccer continues To get more fans killed than any other sport on the face of the planet, I think.
The weather news here in the U.S., the good old U.S., is not so good.
This is Denver AP.
Parts of Colorado and Wyoming were paralyzed by blowing snow that closed hundreds of miles of highways.
And the region's biggest airport, as a powerful storm, battered the plains with tornadoes today.
Because on the other side of all that cold, and that snow is warm, at least two people are dead.
A tornado tore through a community food pantry in Iowa, killed one, and buried the body in rubble.
A tornado also killed a man.
In Oklahoma, up to 18 inches of snow fell along the eastern side of the Rocky Mountains.
Winds gusted to 70 miles an hour, heaping the snow into deep drifts.
Parts of Wyoming got up to a foot of snow.
And this was from last night.
Art just got home, turned your show on, heard reference to storms going through St. Louis for the past three hours.
He's in St. Louis.
I've been doing repairs on my father-in-law's home in Florescent, Missouri.
His home was damaged by tennis-sized hailstones, tennis ball-size.
This is the first time that I've seen hail this large with my own eyes.
His home looked like it had been shot with a big giant shotgun.
Windows, vinyl siding, roof shingles, unprotected automobiles all received a tremendous amount of damage.
This is the worst hailstorm I have ever witnessed.
And it goes on.
Art, I live in Kansas City, and just this morning we started getting high winds blowing through town at a constant and incessant rate.
The chair out on my porch nearly got tossed over the side.
I've had to secure it with bungee cords.
Needless to say, the wind has been extremely strong and hasn't let up a bit.
This evening around 7, I rented a video, and as I was leaving the store, I stopped to pick up a paper and opened the door and started to walk out when I heard a loud cracking sound, and I saw a large tree come crashing down right in front of me.
It tore right out of the metal grille that surrounded it on the sidewalk.
You know the kind he's talking about, right?
A big tree.
You've seen those metal grills and they come up out of the sidewalks, right?
He says, it slammed down just missing me and the car parked just beside it.
If I hadn't stopped to get the paper, I'm sure I would have been under the tree when it came crashing down.
I looked at the base of the tree and it hadn't been rotted out, just torn clean away from the roots.
Just wanted to let you know the weather seems to be getting even more out of control and more dangerous.
And then this.
Art, we're having some severe weather and winds here in Kansas, in Wichita.
The winds are clocked at 74 miles an hour.
That'll do a lot of damage.
Semi-trucks are being blown over.
Trees are down.
Windows are being blown out of some cars.
Roof damaged.
Power lines down.
8,000 people in Wichita without power right now.
A cell phone tower blown down.
Airplane hangars damaged.
I live in the country, and the dust is unbelievable.
It rains this morning, and yesterday they're saying all this dirt is coming from not here, but Oklahoma.
This is the fourth time I've tried to mail this to you, so better go now.
Just thought I'd let you know what's happening to one of your fans here in Kansas.
So I told you it was going to be a very, very rough, violent weather day, and it sure has been.
It is still right now.
This is one damned dangerous front.
A very cold front, meaning a very, very warm area as it moves east.
And we're getting what you get when you get a lot of heat and a lot of cold.
You get a lot of very violent storms.
We are also chalk this one up to coincidence.
You know, if you want to, it's fine.
But at this very moment, we are getting slammed with a geomagnetic storm.
As a matter of fact, I should check a little bit earlier.
I'll do that as we speak here.
A little bit earlier in the day, we were having a severe storm.
It had actually gone up into the severe category, and there is some possibility, certainly, if you don't have, oh my.
We are in severe storm right now.
There's been a proton event, a major storm now, severe storm.
The A count is 50.
The K count is 5.
And as the whole mess rotates around, there is some possibility, certainly in the northern latitudes, maybe, maybe, but I kind of doubt it.
Maybe middle latitudes.
Going to be a lot of aurora if you can see the sky.
So the Earth is getting hammered by a big geomagnetic storm, which is coming from two coronal mass ejections from the Sun, which actually came together like the proverbial perfect storm and then came and hammered Earth just about dead on.
Auroral activity on a scale of 0 to 10 right now is at 10.
So all of that's going on right now.
A strong solar wind disturbance hit our planet's magnetosphere around 1400 hours noon Eastern Time.
That would be 3 o'clock here in the West, 3 o'clock in the afternoon, triggering a severe geomagnetic storm.
If it continues unabated, middle-latitude skywatchers could spot auroras tonight.
So there you are.
Even in the middle latitudes, depending, you might watch it minute to minute for, I would say, the next two or three hours at least.
All right, let's break here very quickly.
Oh, by the way, in the next hour, We're going to have, it's going to be pretty interesting, I think.
Paul Kolbeck will be here, and he wrote a book about a guy who was abducted and then began to build a spaceship.
No, I'm not kidding you.
He was building a full-sized spaceship.
And we've got photographs of part of the construction of that spaceship.
We've even got a photograph, which is really not a photograph.
It was taken of microfilm.
We'll find out how he got the microfilm, of what the craft looked like anyway.
Now, obviously, it's not like photograph.
That part of it was taken from microfilm, you know, a photograph of microfilm.
So it's just a grayed out picture, but it'll show you what the entire craft looks like, I guess.
That's up there, along with these construction photos.
And this guy, whatever you say, when you look at it, it's obvious that he was dead serious about what he was doing.
Dead serious.
He had a major project underway.
See all the photographs.
What you should do is go to my website.
Easy to do.
Go to website, www.artbell.com.
When you get there, you will observe that along the left-hand side there is the color yellow.
And within the color yellow, you will go to where it says program.
Place your cursor there and then go to tonight's guest info.
You will see Paul Kobeck's name.
Under that, you will see images, video snapshots, and I'll bet you we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Total of 11 photographs, including the ship itself.
11 photographs of the work in progress, this ship, this interstellar ship.
And we'll get the whole story anyway next hour.
So those of you who would like a peek at it all, just remember the so-called photograph of the ship is of microfish.
It's a photograph of not a real photograph.
So it was actually taken from, I don't know how you do that, from microfilm.
All that said, that's coming up next hour.
It should be potentially could be very interesting.
If you want to take a look at the photographs, you can do that beginning now.
Might be a good idea because it's going to get real crowded up there.
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Yeah!
Thank you.
Now we take you back to the night of April 11th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Here's the other thing that I'm going to just cover and cover and cover.
I am so fascinated with it.
I have no idea how to proceed with this subject, but I'm getting zillions of emails.
The premise is a simple one.
Very simple.
Raised by a caller the other night, just the other, when was it?
Two nights ago.
And it involves time travel, you know me and time travel, but in a very different kind of way.
The caller suggested that historical manipulation, not that done by our present politicians, but real historical manipulation may be occurring right now.
In other words, there may be travelers far in advance of us going back in history for whatever their reasons might be and changing it.
You know, sometimes just one small, little, tiny change that was made in the past could have momentous repercussions for the future.
It would have to be just the right change, of course.
I was listening the other night when a caller said that they remembered when Nelson Mandela died in prison, goosebumps all over my body, because I recall this happening in the late 60s or early 70s.
I suffer from deja vu a lot.
Dej vu.
I remember President Reagan passing away about four years ago.
He wasn't allowed to lie at state in our nation's capital, but I can't remember why.
He was cremated.
His ashes were spread on a ranch that he had once owned and loved.
So I was pretty surprised when he celebrated his 90th birthday recently.
See, this kind of thing, people who say, you know the big argument about whether or not we really went to the moon?
That that was manipulation.
And that's why so many people are fighting about it, because we're having vague memories of a different timeline.
All of us, or some of us, it's an intriguing theory when you consider it.
That history as we now know it may be in just like that changed.
And all our memories are suddenly different.
But somehow some people are retaining memories of what they say was.
Certainly, I would say it's a high likelihood, wouldn't you, that at some point in the future, somebody is going to invent time travel.
Even our current best theoretical physicists, though they say it would take a lot of power, they agree that it may indeed be possible.
And if it is, and if manipulation of the past is possible, well then the current reality or what we consider to be current reality may not be current reality at all.
It may be the modified reality.
And when it was modified, when something in the past changed, you would have a whole new set of memories And you would never know you lost the old ones.
Unless the old ones just leaked through a little bit enough, so that I'm starting to get all of these emails.
Something to think about, and we're going to talk about this.
I'm going to figure it out somehow or another.
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In America, can a guy from anywhere go to sleep a pauper and wake up a millionaire?
Only in America can somebody go to sleep a pauper and wake up a millionaire.
Only in America, especially those who were in the text, can go to sleep a millionaire can wake up a pauper.
I hear a lot of, I see a lot of heads out there shaking.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Good morning.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 11th, 2001.
A giant step and retrieved and far in America.
A dream like this come true.
A guy like me starts with nothing and then starts with you.
I don't want your lonely mansion with a tear in every room.
All I want is the love you promise.
Then leave the hail of moon.
But you think I should be happy with your money and your name And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game
Silver, present, golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water wide But you think I should be happy with your money and your name And hide myself in sorrow while
you play your cheating game Silver, present, golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine And I dare
not drown my sorrow in the warm water You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 11th, 2001.
When it looked as though they were not going to be able to get the hole drilled far enough down to put the nuclear bomb in and detonate as planned.
So NASA had a second plan, and NASA took over the entire facility, then ordered that the bomb be activated anyway.
Remember all that?
With a statement that NASA always had two of everything.
What if NASA wanted to make sure that we went to the moon no matter what?
So NASA shot the complete lunar landing ahead of time on a sound stage just in case we couldn't get to the moon.
We really did land on the moon as well.
Both sets of pictures are out there for us to see.
This is Wendy.
Wendy goes on theory number two time travel.
Just like you said the other night, we didn't go to the moon in one timeline, then we went back in time and corrected it so we actually did go to the moon?
Question mark?
Or here's another one, just typical of what I'm getting.
Hi, Art.
When I watched Fox's Moon Hoax Program, then listened to your show, it was mentioned that the U.S. was the only one that made it to the moon.
I called up all my friends and I asked them incredulously if this was indeed true.
And they all assured me it was.
Rather snottily, I might add.
And yet I remember very well hearing at the time that the Russian cosmonauts, while not getting there first, made it to the moon several times afterwards.
What's going on?
Alternate timeline or just a really, really bad memory?
All right, now we plunge into the dark sky of unscreened telephone calls where literally anything can happen.
Now, you know, let me tell you a little bit about screening, all right?
If we screened calls, if I had a call screener here, these calls about timelines and shadow people, they never in a million years would have made it through.
Never in a million years.
And these are two of the most fascinating topics we've got running right now.
My company, which is owned, the parent company is Clear Channel, which is a gigantic, gigantic company with zillions of radio stations, stopped streaming.
And the reason, as I understand it, it's not just us, I guess, it's everybody, is that the BMI ASCAP types have said all of a sudden, you will pay for streaming on the net, you know, royalty fees for streaming on the net on top of broadcasting.
So if you're a broadcaster, now you're going to get zonked twice, once for broadcasting a given song, let's say, and then you're going to get zapped again for streaming it on the net.
And so they're at an impasse, I guess.
And so a lot of broadcasters said, hell with this, and threw the switch and stopped streaming on the net.
American Federation of AFTRA, radio and television artists, yes.
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Yeah, something like that.
As I understand it, they asked for the, they actually filed a lawsuit of some sort, which is actually saying that their commercials, that the radio stations don't have a right to rebroadcast their commercials on the Internet.
Yeah, but the next war, it might not be so good for the economy.
I mean, if hardly anybody's left and we're having a world in which most things are radioactive dust and or decaying and dying people from radiation and all that, that's really going to have an impact on the economy.
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It truly will, sir.
And the sad thing is, it's an amazing thing.
It's almost like they know we need us.
We need them, but they need us too because what happens if they take us away?
I mean, they might have more land, but yet you're going to have a land that's going to be a wasteland.
They don't want to screw up the relationship, so our people are on the way home.
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That's very true.
And I think right now what they're doing is they're just playing chess, and I think reestablishing themselves as a world power, but also they've got the economic power, but I think they want to reestablish themselves as a world power.
Actually, the only thing, the time travel situation, I think that's a very interesting theory about actually going back into the actual time itself.
In fact, one of the ironic things your show does is actually, in many ways, it gives us the ability to look back into the past.
I think one of the most amazing things that I think a lot of your guests and even callers seem to convey the best is if we truly do look back at the past and start actually seeing all the different, it's actually a cycle, and yet there's many changes that we look towards for the future because of science and things like that.
We've got the mapping of the human genome, but yet we've had to map it to a lot of things these days.
But yet if we don't truly get the clarity, we'll never actually find the way home.
By the way, tomorrow night, there'll be an unscheduled Richard C. Hoagland appearance in the 10 o'clock first hour of the show.
And he's got something that's really going to blow you away.
I'm not sure that I agree with Richard on what he's going to say, the conclusion he's going to come to.
It won't be the first time for that.
But what he's going to show you tomorrow night, the photograph of Mars that he's going to show you tomorrow night that he's been holding for a long time now for the reasons that I'll let him explain the reasons tomorrow night why he's held this incredible photograph.
Or maybe he won't want to explain.
I don't know.
But I know he's got good reasons why he's held it.
It's a real mind-blower.
and that'll be the subject tomorrow night in the first hour of the show.
I was calling about time travel, but I'd also like to say that I'm really upset to hear about this not being able to get streaming radio because I'm in Maine.
I'm stuck in Maine and I'm almost totally cut off.
And I was going to break down and go out and get a computer and try to figure out a way to get radio on the internet.
I think it's an impasse and that it involves dollars and that maybe some sort of comp because there are dollars to be made.
My guess would be there'll be some kind of compromise struck and it'll be back on the net because the net is a force that you have to deal with, period.
Well, what I was going to say about the time travel is, now I'm not wedded to this theory, but it's one that I thought of years ago when I was a kid, and that is that if it's possible to do time travel,
and I know some scientists are saying now that they've decided it is, the thing is that if we've never seen or run into time travelers, that would indicate that the human race is not going to be around long enough to develop the technology.
That the only reason there are no apparent time travelers, despite what I get on the phone lines here, is because we're not going to be around long enough to develop.
I mean, if you're noticing that level of gunk, whatever it is, alien juice on your windows, then everybody up in your area should be having the same experience.
Have you talked to anybody else about this?
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Yes, I have, Art.
In fact, I went to the wife, took the wife to her hairdresser.
She never even noticed it until I mentioned it to her.
But I live six miles away.
I went over to where I took it to have it tested today.
And I was in there talking to the people, and they said, well, we'll send it to OSU and have it tested.
And I walked out of the doors, walked out to the parking lot, looked at all the cars in the parking lot, and I walked back in there, and I said, can one of you people come out here, please, and look at these cars?
I said, the windshields are just covered.
Run your finger across them.
Pollen is soft and mellow.
This is gritty, like sand in it.
And I'm wondering if any of your other listening audience has seen that on any of their car windshields.
Some guy in the San Diego Union Tribune wrote a really flippant little piece about the chemtrail discussions.
Well, actually, chemtrails being discussed on the net and on my program.
I should have printed it out and read it.
It was really disgusting from my point of view.
But if that's the way he wants to cover it, fine.
There was a day when newspaper people used to dig a little deeper and try to find out at least a little bit of truth.
I don't know what happened to this guy.
unidentified
Really, Art.
I'm surprised the news media doesn't pick up on, well, how come I can see this and nobody else can see it, you know?
And I stand there.
I told the guy today when I took it in to have it tested, I said, I can look down the side of my windshield and I can see this stuff bounce down my windshield until it finds a place to land.
Well, you must be certain to email me with your phone number because, you know, the odds of getting through anytime are not all that great.
So you need to email me at Art Bell.
That's my address.
Artbell at mindspring.com.
And provide me with your phone number.
Remind me of who you are so that when the tests come through, we can get communication from you immediately and get you on the air and tell everybody what in God's name was collecting on your windshield.
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I sure will.
And Art, you know, I'm just wondering, because we've had this men in Chicago outbreak, could this be something new that's connected with that, a virus, a pathogen, something?
Paul Kolbeck, who is an average kind of guy in a lot of ways, and is, I think he's right now, he's pretty nervous.
He interviewed a man, actually went and took photographs of a man who had been abducted and is building a spaceship.
I'm not kidding you.
He's really building a spaceship, and he wrote a book about it.
And we've got photographs of the initial stages, anyway, of the building of this spacecraft.
No doubt, instructions received or somehow obtained during the abduction.
It's a pretty wild story, and we've got the photographs up on my website.
And as I said, I don't know where we're going with this.
You're about to find out, and so am I. But if you'll go to tonight's guest info, well, first you go to the website, www.artbell.com, click on program tonight's guest info, and then you'll see, it'll say images, video snapshots.
And we have got 11 photographs up there of this guy who's building a spaceship from plans that he got from aliens.
And it's going to take, obviously it's going to take explanation, but I mean, this guy has a whole what looks like a hanger.
I guess it's a hangar workshop, you could call it, but more like a hangar.
And here he's putting this monstrous thing together, and then at the bottom, there's a picture of what it would look like when finished.
Now, it's not really a picture.
This was taken of microfilm, so it's kind of just a grayscale thing of what it'll look like when it's done.
But we've got actual photographs of the construction up there.
So, what did I say?
How did I say to do it?
I know everybody's going to be asking, and I don't want to keep giving the instructions again and again.
Go to program on the left there, tonight's guest info, and then click on video snapshots.
And we'll talk about those with Paul coming up shortly.
The weather across the nation is scary.
U.S. News and World Report had it right, scary weather.
This is from Dano in Windsor.
Windsor, mind you.
This is April, right?
This is early April, yeah.
Art, there's been a severe storm alert for an area just outside of Detroit, complete with tornado and hail warnings.
This is very, very odd for mid-April in this neck of the woods.
The time of the warning is from midnight to 5 a.m. Eastern Time.
So they're in it right now.
He includes a JPEG, a photograph of what the map looks like at 1231 Eastern Time, and it didn't look good at all.
So all across the nation, I mean all across the middle part of the country, it's bad.
Tornadoes have killed people, and our weather is going to continue to get more severe all the time.
It's just going to keep on happening, folks.
So as I told the earlier audience, batting down the hatches, not much you can do if a tornado gets you, but short of that, you prepare everything for wind and hail because there's a lot of it out there.
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The End Now we take you back to the night of April 11th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
We're just going to talk, and we're going to be talking for a long time, so nobody can be nervous for that long, or else you'll just, you know, keel over.
I don't even know where we begin with all of this.
As you know, I've got not all of the photographs you sent, but all the ones that, you know, a lot of them, it was printed information which was simply too blurry to read in the photographs, so I didn't bother to put those up.
How did you run into the story of the alien abduction of a Canadian, too, a tasty Canadian named Daniel Hammer back in 1975?
He was, what, abducted in 1975?
He was abducted on October the 21st, 1975, when he was 52 years old.
He was sitting in his living room, and they literally took him out of his body, took him into the craft, shrunk him down to atomic size.
Ho, ho, ho.
Alrighty, ho.
They took him out of his body.
Did they do that or actually take his body?
No, they actually, well, he was kind of a rough and tumble kind of guy, and he had a favorite program.
And the only time that people could get a hold of him was when they knew when his program was on, which was, could I say the name of the program or not?
So right in the middle of his favorite TV show, The Waltons.
Well, actually, he got home from work, taken a shower, got in front of his television, had it on, was watching the beginning of the Waltons program, and the television screen went snowy.
And he thought, oh, no, the aerials come off loose again.
So he got up and he goes towards the television set, and he notices that there's these two spots, two little black dots on the television set.
And he watches these spots and they grow and they start turning silvery.
And he's sitting in his chair and he's watching these things, and all of a sudden, these two dots, these two silver discs, I should also mention he heard these strange like bell sounds tinkling right at the fringes of his hearing.
And he saw these two discs, and they leapt off the screen, became two people on either side of him, and the next thing he knows, he's across the room looking at himself, laying in his easy boy.
Holy smoke.
So they Obe'd him, basically, right?
They Obe'd him.
Yes, they just, yeah.
All right, so here he is standing with the two beings.
The two beings on either side of him.
Looking at his own body.
Just in total disbelief, that he could see himself over there, kind of thing.
And all of a sudden, they started rising up off the floor.
The beings.
He and the beings started rising.
All of them, all right?
All of them started just rising slowly up off the floor.
Well, he said he heard the most beatific voice he'd ever heard right in his mind say to him something along the lines of we don't mean to startle you or shock you.
So anyway, I will only stop you long enough to say you know the guy down in Florida who built that thing out of tons and tons of rock, granite, I think, as a matter of fact?
You didn't hear about the Coral Castle down in Florida?
It is, and my guest is Paul Kohlbach telling the story of a Canadian man, Daniel Hammer, who was abducted, and he wrote a book about it called Granite Starship: Conversations with an Alien Concerning the Nature of the Secrets of the Universe.
More in a moment.
Stay right where you are.
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Stay right where you are.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 11, 2001.
And as some people would have houses, they have different sites on different planets that they go to and different meetings and reunions and gatherings.
And what did they call it?
They said it was kind of the closest thing we had to the way they would get together was like a regatta.
It's a self-feeding energy force that it's and they've somehow tapped into well, I've always heard that, you know, if you took any cubic centimeter of space in front of you, it holds an incredible amount of energy.
And somehow they've tapped into that energy in space, the actual energy that creates the universe.
Well, as a matter of fact, the latest news on the expanding universe is that it's Still expanding, and scientists don't know why.
They theorize because of dark matter, which is energy still pushing everything away from the moment of the Big Bang until now.
Everything continues to expand when it should not.
So there is some force out there continuing to expand the universe that our scientists don't quite understand yet.
They said we've made a few mistakes in our scientific ideas and concepts.
And when you go to the Sphinx and the pyramids and granite, what do we have?
We have granite.
All right.
You can actually put an electrical measurement device on a piece of granite, go to the other side of it, strike it with a hammer, and it will give you an electrical reading.
Actually, there's all kinds of things to tell about predictions they have for the fate of Earth.
Yes.
But you know what?
In a way, we've got to jump ahead, and then we'll jump back if that's all right.
Because we've got all of these photographs on the website, and people are probably going, huh?
What is this?
What are all these?
Now, how and why did Daniel get plans for a starship, a granite starship?
Well, that's one of the things that they did when he was on board.
They actually, in his OBE state, I guess, out of Body State, they shrank him down to atomic size and guided him through the workings of the energy frequency generator, the motor or the engine or the power or whatever you want to call it.
You mean like so much Quaker State motor oil, he went running through the virtual engine of this craft.
Yeah, he says he was able to actually push against it and see how things worked.
And it just, as he was doing it, he just understood it.
It's like they imprinted it, the knowledge, into him and how it worked.
And since that time, he has had several occasions where he's had visions.
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He calls them hallucination, you know, they give me a hallucination.
Did he have any of this before any of this happened to him?
Or was he just, you know, as you said, a handyman, a carpenter, and so forth?
As a matter of fact, he was of basically the same belief that I was, that if there were other beings in the universe and they were smart enough to come here, once they saw us, they'd probably be smart enough to leave.
So, and so there, you know, we don't, you know, you know, aliens come in to save us and all that.
There's another set of rings that he's already built that are larger, and there's another set of rings that are even larger than that.
And he's let me see.
You know, I'm looking at the man and I'm looking at the rings.
They must be at least 12 feet in diameter, somewhere around there.
Yes.
At least that.
Stainless steel.
Stainless steel, yes.
And really, obviously.
Those are the small ones.
And those little rectangles on the top of them on the bottom.
I do, yes, I do.
Those are magnets that he's got locked in keepers on so the rings actually float above each other on magnetic repulsion.
Holy smokes.
Then along the edges, if you see those little along the edge of the rings, it's riveted with magnets that are positioned according to their magnetic fields.
Yeah, of course you did, as a reporter, right, Paul.
Hold on.
We'll be back to you after the break at the top of the hour.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Go look at the photos.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 11, 2001.
Coast to Coast AM from April 11, 2001.
Be it silent, sand, smell, touch, the something inside that we need so much.
The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak leaves deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
All these things in our memory song, and they used them to come.
I love you.
Fly, fly where she's on.
Break his face, on his strength, just come on, yeah!
Bye!
Bye!
Take a free ride, take my place of my strength, it's for me.
I will take the ears.
Worked so hard just to end my fears.
I'd to risk my life for you.
But by now, I know, I should like you're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 11th, 2001.
He's from Canada, very close to the subject of the night, actually.
The alien abduction of Canadian Daniel Hammer back in 1975 and the subsequent building of spacecraft by Mr. Hammer.
And all I can tell you is, as you listen, my suggestion, if you have a computer, is to go to my website, www.artbell.com, go to program, tonight's guest info, and then you'll see the name Paul Kobek.
Just click on video snapshots, and you will see the sections of the craft that this man is building.
This is no lightweight attempt.
This is a very serious thing he's doing in what looks like a hangar.
We've got a whole series of 11 photographs, and we'll try as best we can to explain them to you as we go.
It's quite a story, and the rest of it is coming right up, so stay right there.
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Now we take you back to the night of April 11, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
The End All right, back now to Canada and Paul Kolback.
Paul, welcome back.
Good to be back.
You realize, don't you, how incredible this story sounds to the audience.
In fact, it's so incredible that without the photographs, I almost didn't feel like I could bring you on the air because people just wouldn't believe it.
They wouldn't believe it.
That's all there is to it.
But, I mean, here are the photographs of this man building this incredible craft.
Anyway, listen, we were up to like number three, the one he was building outside.
What happened to that one?
I mean, obviously he must have invited some people to see it.
He wanted it to be seen, right, when he tested.
Oh, yes.
He had made some invitations for people to come and see it, and he was out working on the craft, preparing it for its debut or whatever.
Yes.
And he was out about 11 o'clock at night working on it, and he did the wrong thing, whatever it was.
Well, actually, he turned the top, and he thinks that it knocks something loose in one of the blocks that he had loose inside, and the whole thing started up, and he had to get off the craft.
what do you mean by starting up it began to It self-started.
He just did the...
Is that what you mean by start?
Well, actually, they don't rotate, and it's a series of things that actually happens.
There's a set of magnetic cones that actually are moving back and forth because right on top of them, there's a ball that sits on the top of this machine.
And they call it the forever falling mass.
All right, is that...
Yes.
Is that what you're talking about?
Is that the ball?
Yes, that's a model that he made of to show how the thing operates.
All right.
That's basically a bowling ball with this metal skirt on it with the magnets on it.
But that's part of another little demonstration that he does.
But actually, the ball is the one where he's at the workbench, and you can see this little, I don't know, it looks like a pacifier for baby Healy or something.
It's got that.
Oh, I see it, yes.
It's got that, like a nipple on it.
Yes.
Well, if you look closely at that, you see that it's actually on a round stone wheel.
That's right.
Yes.
Well, in his hand, he has another piece of stone there, and it's basically a rounded ball, or a half of a ball.
And in the center of the bottom of it, is a very fine-worked piece of stonework that fits right over that nipple.
So a big stone sits on top of there so that it rides just above that unfinished space of the top of the disc.
He was mad at, you know, he But he ran inside, and luckily the telephone service was still working, but because this thing put out all the televisions for miles around, it overloaded the electrical systems, the whole area went into a blackout.
You're kidding.
Now, obviously, there must be newspaper records of this occurrence.
He's walking out towards the garbage, and this car pulls up into his driveway.
Right.
And these two surly guys, and he said they were like dark suits, just got out of their car and started, walked into his house, walked all through his house.
Whenever he asked them who they were and all that, this one guy just pulled back his coat and showed him his gun and just looked at him.
He's like $3,000 in magnets in like a year and a half or two years of work.
And then he hears people in the bushes withdrawing out of the, you know, he can't really see them, but he can hear people walking away out through the forest, through the woods around his property.
And he knew he must be onto something.
And when the aliens had abducted him, they had brought him to Ontario in the abduction and showed him a piece of property in Ontario.
And he decided now it's time to move.
All right.
So the first craft that he built exploded and blew up part of his building.
The second one he did escaped and flew straight up into space like that.
Yes.
Now he's building the third one.
And this one is full size.
And that's what we're seeing the construction of in these photos?
Yes.
All right.
So this is going to be one big craft.
What do you suppose the diameter of this craft will be when he is done?
So he did a heroic act and was given a medal by the Russians, which the British and the Canadians took away from him.
And he got in all kinds of trouble because he was talking to these people in, I think it was Poland, and he was warned by the Canadian government not to pursue that anymore because he's trying to get his metal back.
All right.
So he was giving you all this and other documentation just to show you about his background.
Yes.
All right, now let's cover the craft at the bottom.
The reason I bring that up is because evidently the aliens were watching him through the Second World War and saw some of the way he did things and what he did, and that's one of the reasons they chose him for this task.
All right, how far along right now is he with the full size model?
Do you know?
He's ready to go to the building of the shells, the granite shells.
There's a set of granite shells that you put around the engine, of course, and then there's the granite shells of the craft itself.
And you hinge all that together, and then there's holes you drill through the granite, what would you call them, shafts or something, and you put stainless steel cable through it.
And if you look at that picture, that's taken from out in front of that thing somehow.
And it's not, you know, it's like...
I wouldn't have the slightest idea.
I mean, it would either have to be taken from another craft or somehow they'd have to be able to get out and get in front of the craft, which he did witness them doing when they took him around the Horsehead Nebula.
He's written a book called Granite Starship Conversations with an Alien Concerning the Nature of the Secrets of the Universe and, by the way, how to build a starship.
And this man, this man, Daniel Hammer, has almost now completed the final model, the full-size model of the spacecraft that you can see photographs of on my website right now.
You've heard what happened to the first two.
In a minute, you're going to hear what the aliens told him about us.
It bears your attention.
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you you Now we take you back to the night of April 11th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
There's no chance, no chance, I'd have brought this man on for this secondhand story, save the fact that A, he's a reporter.
B, he did the smart thing and he took photographs.
C, there's all kinds of supporting documents for everything that has happened.
The first craft that exploded and blew a hole through his roof.
The second craft he built that flew and escaped into space, creating power outages and blackouts and newspaper articles about all of that.
And apparently he's well known where he is there for having done this work.
And now, here is this man, again, we've got the photographs, building this granite, and I know it seems weird, granite starship, full-size starship, and he's almost done.
In fact, Paul wrote to me here that, hey, Art, you want to come and see it?
This spring, he's trying to get the backing together to buy a stone quarry because he needs to go out and build basically the workbench to build the craft on.
All right.
Do you understand the kind of reactions I'm going to read Fast Blast right now, and here's a good one, actually.
Yes, granite has magnetite in it.
It makes sense.
And, of course, we can think of the you know, we can think of Egypt, and we can think of the pyramids and the Sphinx, and as you said, Stonehenge.
I mean, in a way, it does make sense.
Who are we to presume that they'd be building it out of earthly-type materials to travel in interstellar space?
Maybe there's a whole nother answer, a whole other technological direction that they went, that he's trying to go, that we haven't gone in.
So, you know, but then again, Ben in San Jose, who may not have seen the photographs, says simply, oh, come on.
Besides that we are all related and that there's really only one race, and I think they were talking about all the races, in the universe, and that's not sure, but you did say the aliens looked just like us.
Yes.
There were some major differences between their technology and their lifespans and things like that from ours.
For instance, the older one that they met when they were on the ship was around 10,000 years old.
The fellow that he went onto the ship with, I think he was around 9,000.
They were One of the reasons was to instruct him how to make these crafts so that he could make one and other people would catch on and they could make a lot of them so that we could escape planet from what's going to befall the Earth.
Evidently, now I'm not sure whether it's two different things or it's one thing, but they were calling it Dim Sun Dark Star.
Dim Sun Dark Star.
And they said that this is a nemesis kind of a thing that has been coming through our solar system or by our solar system about every 33,000 years or so.
And it's sitting out in an arm of the Milky Way, and we pass by this thing, and it does us no good whatsoever.
Define that.
Was he able to define that any further?
What do you mean, no good?
Well, evidently it has come through before and done all kinds of damage.
Well, they said that there was basically the message that they left was there was two ways basically of handling this.
And one of them was for us to take responsibility for our thoughts and learn to project physical reality to actually create physical effects in our reality.
And that if we calmed our thoughts and quit giving off, they said about 80% of our thoughts we have during a day are negative thoughts.
That they're anger, they're self-loathing, they're and this is it radiates out from the planet.
They can measure the electrical impulses on our head with EEGs.
But how does this affect what's going to happen every 33,000 years?
Well, they said that if we could avoid it, if we would do this en masse, if more of us were doing it on mass, and could actually calm the sun.
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They said we're going to see problems with our sun.
There's going to be geomagnetic effects and gravitational pull effects and all kinds of things that are going to happen as we become more and more into the sphere of this thing.
And then when we started seeing these things, we would know that that was the leading edge of the shadow of death.
I mean, the sun right now is going totally bananas.
Yes, they said that it would start in approximately 25 years that we would notice that it was going on.
And they abducted him in October of 75, and here we are in the beginning of 2001.
And, you know, I've noticed it before this.
I've started checking on this and found out about this thing, Chandler's Wobble, and a couple of other things that are going on that have been building for quite some time.
And I have still been skeptical about this story.
But the more I find out, the more things are starting to happen that they were predicting.
Paul, if it wasn't for the fact that so much of what you're saying in a kind of an eerie way absolutely makes sense.
If it weren't for the fact that you're a Canadian, and I know Canadians are pretty laid-back and not given to this sort of thing very much, these kind of wild stories.
And if it weren't for the photographs and just some nugget inside of me that's saying, you know, it feels like there's something to everything you're saying, I'd say you're crazy as a loon, and so is Daniel Hammer.
But I actually don't feel that, Paul.
Wild as this story is, I don't feel that.
Well, it took me a while to decide I was going to...
A thought that's happened to me a couple of times while I've been working on this story was when I was wondering what I was going to do, this thought came to me, what would you do if you had met Noah and he's building an ark in the middle of the friggin' desert?
Well, I guess as you, if I were, I would go, you're damn right, I'd go take photographs of it.
I'd report it, I'd talk to the guy who's building it, I'd try and determine if he was out of his mind or whether something tugged at me and said maybe he's not out of his mind.
Yeah, that little nugget inside, that gut reaction, that's what got me.
There's not denying a lot of this story because we've got the visual evidence right in front of us, and a lot of it is well documented.
It's just a holy mackerel.
If it's true, like Daniel says, what shall we do?
I mean, he's got one, you've got to admit, little craft, even at full size, it's a little craft.
It's certainly not going to carry many of us off this planet.
There's been visitors from Germany, Japan, Brazil.
There was, I think the latest group was from Chile because in the ocean off of Chile they have found these granite balls and they didn't know what they were.
But what they are are reject.
He thinks they're just rejected balls and there must be a building site somewhere around that area.
These are probably balls that were built and rejected because they wouldn't work in the craft.
See, the whole craft sits on three balls at the bottom.
You do realize, don't you, how this sounds to some people, right?
Yes, I think that's part of the reason I get kind of nervous telling the story because I pride myself on exposing the truth and finding out what really happened.
And so you just went out there and you ran into this.
I suppose in some ways you're probably sorry you did.
In a way, I imagine if I hadn't had my dear, I had a near-death experience in 1979, so I've been dead, and I'm not afraid of it.
It was quite pleasant, actually.
That's what a lot of MDE experiencers say.
Pleasant.
Listen, you wrote a book.
I want to give you a chance to plug your book here.
We're going to take some calls.
I have no idea what's going to happen when we do that.
Well, maybe you'll love it.
But the book is Granite Starship, Conversations with an Alien Concerning the Nature of the Secrets of the Universe, right?
And so he's, again, he's not uncomfortable with the fact that you've written this book.
And there's a lot more photographs than we've got on the website in the book, right?
Actually, there's no photographs in the book.
Really?
No.
Why didn't you put pictures in there?
I'm kicking myself for not doing that.
I bet you are.
All right.
Hold on, Paul.
We've got a break right here.
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Hold on.
What a story.
You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 11th, 2001.
And Marie's a May of his latest flame.
He talked and talked, and I heard him say that she had his whitest hair, brilliant green eyes anywhere.
And the reasoning of his latest fame.
Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
I wished him luck and the same.
Nothing but a heart is never ending.
It's not a heart and a tear.
Almost away because I feel the bad guys.
Such a thing, yeah.
He's not me, oh why can't I get here?
Nothing but a heart is never ending.
It's not a heart and a tear.
Almost away because I'm not going to win.
It's not a situation that I just can't win, yeah.
He's not me, oh why can't I get here?
I got a lot of those heartaches.
I got a lot of those teardrums.
Heartaches.
Teardrums.
All the way.
Nothing but a heartache.
Everything.
Nothing but a heartache.
Everything.
I got a lot of tears on all the way I got a lot of tears on here Just to slam here He's got the old one that I can hear I got a lot of those heartache I got a lot of those tears on
You're listening to Mark Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 11th, 2001.
I guess all I want to say about this is it was important for us to go ahead and say this because there are a lot of people who obviously know his name, and they're confirming this story right now.
A lot of them are, and so it really adds to the credibility of what you're saying.
I just guess I had to force you into doing this.
I'm sorry.
That's okay.
I'm trying to help him as best I can.
All right, then, audience, I would take the heat.
Yeah, all of you in the audience, then, who do obviously know his last name, please don't give it out on the air.
We know that you know now.
And please, for the protection of this man, and I hope you can understand why he'd want to be protected.
I certainly would.
Please don't give his name on the air.
Just refer to him as David H. Would that be all right if they call him David H. Well, that's okay.
I'm sorry, Daniel.
I'll call him Daniel Hammer because he's kind of like Daniel in the lion's den.
Well, I'd love to help everyone, but it's an impossibility.
But we feel that if we could get one of the craft built, that it's not that difficult to build one of these things.
This one man did it by himself.
And there are other people around the world who have come and visited him and worked with him for a while, scientists, and they've gone off back to their corner of the world, and who knows what they're doing?
I mean, how could all this be going on and my not knowing about it until tonight?
Well, that's what I wonder.
Here I am in 1998, and this guy, this happened to this fellow in 75.
Of course, at that time, I was an ambulance attendant and working EMT work.
Yeah, but I'm talking about, now I guess it's because it's Canada, and you know, not a lot of information is shared between the media in Canada and the media in America.
I'm sure you're getting bombarded by our news, but we don't get much of your news from Canada.
So that might be one answer.
I don't know.
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The aliens told him that they give this information to us many times, but it gets lost.
And he researched it and found pictures in the pyramid.
And he found one pyramid of the Indians in Mexico.
And it has the same thing.
The writings, if you ever get a book, I can't think what it is now, but it has all the hieroglyphics of the pyramid.
Yes.
It does have pictures of this device in the pyramid.
I mean, you've got to admit that if you were to hear this for the first time, like a lot of people are tonight, they're going, these guys are Looney Toons, but you're not.
You're not Looney Toons at all.
He's not Looney Toons, and obviously an awful lot of people out there.
So many of these craft then could have been built, and that's at least some of what we might be seeing in our skies.
Yes, and parts and pieces of his concept, much like Tesla, where they took parts and pieces of Tesla's work and made television out of it over here and radio out of it over there.
They take parts and pieces of Daniel's work and make little example toys and things out of it instead of going ahead and building the craft.
And he gets quite upset about that.
I can imagine.
Well, again, I can't believe that you've never heard of the Coral Castle in Florida.
And I had a couple of comments and then a question.
I'm glad to hear you're back on the air and somebody out there like you doing this because I think there's a lot of things that are out there and people just don't know.
We don't get the whole story.
Obviously.
And Paul and or Art, did you ever hear any more art about the place in Florida where they found the, you know, in the center it was an eye looking up at the sky and they had stones around it.
Why would that so surprise you when our physicists now are finding that there are other dimensions and even beginning to size them and determine the size and the number of the other dimensions?
These are our best scientists, and that's what they're beginning to come up with.
So why doesn't it fly for you?
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Well, I get into cosmology, you know, which deals with universes.
And if we're going into multi-universes, the thing is that we're not in connection with other universes.
The one thing I did was I did a calculation.
And I said, if I took the Earth, 8,000 mile diameter, and fronted down to an inch, the moon would be 2.5 feet away from the Earth at 1 inch diameter.
Well, in the typical Canadian fashion, everyone has a right to their opinion, and he kind of has his.
So people do have rights to opinions in Canada.
That's right.
And when he started telling me the story, when I first heard it, I didn't believe it was really true either.
I mean, I find that.
I really got into researching it and looking at it and working some of the experiments that he showed me.
I understand what I'm saying.
He's going to show you.
You've taken the photos.
We've got the photos on the website, folks.
Go look at them yourself.
This is real.
All of this really happened.
Whether you want to believe, I guess, some portions of the story or not, an awful lot of it is obviously absolutely true.
So, I don't know.
I guess some people will at some point suspend belief and they'll say, well, okay, I can see he did this, and, well, there's records of that, and so forth and so on.
Maybe he did all that.
But then they stop believing at some point.
Others will see, I think, the logic in it.
When you look at the ancient technology that's represented by the pyramids, that, by the way, we still don't understand.
We don't even have a clue about the pyramids and other similar objects here on Earth that represent similar ancient technology.
We have no clue.
So why is everything we're not hearing from you totally logical?
To me, it could be totally true.
That's all I'm saying.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Paul Kolbeck and Art Bell High.
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Hey, Artel.
And hey, Paul.
This is Chris over in Hollywood, Hawaii, listening to you from KHVH, 8.30 a.m.
You bet.
Well, that last caller was a little bit of a skeptic.
He's kind of going by old school astrophysics and stuff.
And that wouldn't apply to interdimensional reality because we haven't even a model yet that's applicable.
So he couldn't say one yay or nay as far as that goes.
Anyway, that was the grandfather of all paranormal shows.
I just wanted to, for the record, just in case anybody's forgotten that one.
That was a really good one.
I think Dick Powell was the host on that one.
Anyhow, so my question is this.
You know, science fiction for a long time has had a postulation about hollowing out asteroids and using them for long-term habitable platforms as well as attaching some sort of propulsion units to them.
All right, the book is called Granite Starship: Conversations with an Alien Concerning the Nature of the Secrets of the Universe and How to Build This Starship.
Now, there's certain things I want to finish up with this call.
You're back on the air again.
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Hi, how's it going?
We were talking about some of the science fiction of the 50s and 60s talking about hollowing out asteroids and using them as platforms and putting drives on them.
If we had some sort of propulsion system that had such capabilities as he was describing, imagine, you know, right now we're limited.
We have to use the lightest materials possible.
You get astronauts up in space, and if there's a solar flare and radiation, they're highly exposed.
Well, or maybe we shouldn't think of it as a propulsion system.
Maybe we ought to think of it more as something that manipulates gravity.
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Well, that's part of it.
The other side would be a dimensional, as the other caller, the previous caller, had spoke of.
He was trying to a well-meaning diagram about the vast distances of space.
But the fact of the matter is, if you had some means of circumventing them, such as through a dimensional doorway where time and space become meaningless, the black holes, for example, if you could survive the plunge into a black hole, emerge out to another end someplace.
Did you do that specifically because he asked you to?
We discussed this thing about all the heat that this kind of, that a book that talked about the lecture and what the aliens told him other than just the craft part would probably bring.
And I promised him that I would take all the heat for that.
You're aware that people have the internet now and they can do searches.
Oh, I know, but I mean, other people have written things about him and so forth, right?
So did he give other permissions for other people to write, or were you the only one who got permission to do sort of an official accounting?
i think there have been other people who have gotten the rights to do an official accounting and then uh...
i'm not too sure but i'm trying to follow it up they were they wrote a a book where he was uh...
just part of the overall story and they kind of there's a bit Why wouldn't somebody say, aren't you stealing his thunder?
Well, because I'm trying to help him build this craft, and that's basically the reason I wrote the book was to tell the story so that we could get some help building this thing.
And I'm going to see it work.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to own one of these.
Hey, listen, I'm with you.
So then we could say that Granite Starship Conversations with an Alien Concerning the Nature of the Secrets of the Universe, the book that you wrote, was written totally with the permission of the man building the craft, right?
If I am understanding this right, they actually form out between themselves and wherever they're going.
He called it boiling the matter of the universe.
They kind of boil the substance of the universe.
And it creates an electromagnetic gravitational black hole.
And the granite ship, they can make it fall towards that hole.
And whenever you leave the planet, whichever which way you're going, you're falling.
You're falling away from the planet when you go.
And that's basically what they're doing.
They're falling through space with this black hole like a carrot on a stick.
And the ship is chasing this thing, and it just moves faster and faster as it falls towards this black hole and pushes the black hole away from it as it falls through the vastness of the universe.
And they hit such high speeds that the other thing about this motor they have, the faster it goes and the more vibration it has, the more power it puts off.
It's like the more you use of it, the more of it you have.
The more power opens up.
Well, you know, that sounds just like something that I was told by somebody, and I'm sorry, it won't come back to me right now, but somebody really in the know theorized that might be possible.
I think it had to do with the use of dark matter.
I can't exactly recall, but that does make sense.
Ma'am, anything else?
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Yes.
My other question was pertaining to the connection to the Mayan ruins.
Now, is this something that there's like a particular site, hieroglyphics, that would be able to tell me more if I were to look back at the archaeological writing?
He found square caves, square tunnels in the mountain, and there's like drawings on the side of a mountain.
Like, how would you do that?
And evidently with this magnetic power that these people have, magnetic amplification power that these people have perfected, they can make openings happen in rock.
They can just make it open in whatever shape they want.
All right, I have in my audience what are called pixel people.
I name them pixel people because they take all photographs that I put up on the web, all photographs, and they tear them down until they magnify them about six million times, and then they look at two pixels and they say, that's out of place.
Therefore, that's a fake photograph.
Mike, blast me right now, fast blast me, those photos are so fake.
The ones you put up there?
and you know i think this is kind of mindless of mike because i don't see how these photos uh...
could possibly be fake they were obviously taken whether Can you tell me?
Well, unfortunately, it was a VHS camera.
Yep.
And I'm going to go up and do some digital work, essentially.
So you VHS the whole thing and then.
I VHS it and I took it down to our studio and I video captured those shots and and and emailed them to you.
That's basically to me they don't look fake at all.
And again, you're pretty sorry you didn't put them in the book, huh?
Yes, but I was planning on building a bigger website and building the website up and putting more information in and keeping people abreast that way, too.
And, well, I'm not very wealthy or anything like that.
No, I understand.
I've taken on this incredibly crazy task of helping to build a flying saucer.
It sounds kind of weird, but when I say it like that, I look at myself sideways.
It's all right.
It's okay.
It's okay.
One of the callers earlier brought up something I think might be interesting as well, as an interesting part of this story.
It points back to the ancient knowledge that we've lost.
She was talking about the circle in Florida.
Yes, the Miami Circle, so-called.
Evidently, there are several of those around the planet, and one of them is Stonehenge, and it's one of the best preserved, and it's sitting there to this day.
And according to Daniel, the aliens told him that the purpose of Stonehenge was as a granite workbench to build these craft on.
And that the reason it's on a big, on those heavy stones like that is so that the stones could take the vibration when they tested the craft.
And that the winds rushing off the craft would have area to dissipate into is the reason they put it out on a big clear hillock like that.
Well, you know what?
Your explanation or his of Stone Enge makes as much sense as anybody else's and maybe even a little more.
West of the Rockies, you're on there with Paul Kobeck.
But I was just, if he's trying to do it by himself, and then I looked at the microfilm shot, and I thought, how long is this going to take this guy to do this?
I'm wondering, all these things that we see happening now with the weather and the sun going berserk, even though it is in a cycle, as it were, all of these things going on, might they be the precursor to the 33,000 year slap?