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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - HAARP - Nick Begich

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	Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 2,
	2001.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours from the island of Guam, commercially.
	Good morning on the Rock, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to Poland, worldwide on the Internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
	I would like to welcome in the first hour of the show now, first time tonight, WABC Radio in New York.
	Thank you, Phil Boyce.
	I grew up with WABC.
	I nursed with WABC, and I rocked and I rolled with WABC, so... It's great to be on there.
	Also, WBHP in Decatur, Alabama.
	WBHP.
	They're 1230 on the dial in Decatur, Alabama.
	Glad to have you on board.
	In addition, WHOS in Huntsville, Alabama.
	800 on the dial.
	Huntsville, Alabama.
	Alright, welcome.
	As the network continues to rocket toward 500 affiliates nationwide.
	Now remember everybody, we are sending pre-feeds now.
	The show actually begins, we begin feeding on the network.
	At 7 o'clock in the evening Pacific Time, 10 o'clock back East.
	So, if your radio station should so desire, there are three hours prior to the beginning of the live show each night available, which happen to be the last hours of the previous night.
	Kind of a good service to listeners, if you're able to do it out there.
	Alright, I have so much, so much for you tonight.
	Right now, let us begin this way.
	As you know, I'm a ham operator.
	And so I watch the Sun very carefully, and there has been a gigantic event on the Sun.
	We have, when things are lowly in the Sun cycle, B flares, sometimes C flares.
	We have M flares, which cause disruption to radio, depending on the class of the M flare.
	Then we have X flares, which are really big.
	And they produce disruption, they produce aurora, sometimes the way we had last week.
	Boy, that was incredible!
	Red skies!
	And then there is this scale that's above an X-flare.
	Each one of these scales is graduated.
	And then above the X-flare there is another scale on the X-ray flux scale, and they don't even give it a name.
	Earlier today, at about 4.30, a friend called and said, hey, guess what?
	We just had a megaflare.
	And I said, what?
	He said, a megaflare.
	And I checked it out immediately, and oh my god, it was a megaflare.
	That's the scale above an X-flare.
	It's called a megaflare.
	I've never seen one, but they have happened.
	So I immediately got on the phone and began calling about trying to figure out what the heck was going on and whether we were in the line.
	That is to say, what it was pointed at us.
	Well, I found Bill Marquette.
	Talked about Wilson National Solar Observatory.
	And I found Bill Marquette, who is the guy at the telescope.
	He is site director and chief observer at Big Bear Solar Observatory.
	And here he is.
	And we'll talk to him about exactly what happened today.
	Bill, welcome to the program.
	Glad to be here.
	Thank you.
	So you are the guy at the telescope, huh?
	Well, I've been in the business for 33 years, and basically as a solar observer.
	And one of my duties is to look at the sun and keep track of things.
	Actually, that's not such a bad job, huh?
	That is a wonderful job.
	I look forward to it.
	I've worked, it's been an exciting last eight days.
	I've worked every day in the last eight days looking at this giant sunspot group.
	All right, this would be what they call, I think, 9393, which is the one that everybody was squawking that if you did it the right way and didn't go blind, you could look at it, you know, using a pen and a box or something or another, and you could actually, it's so big, you could actually see it with the naked eye.
	Right.
	It was at its maximum development on March 29th, and at that time, it was 14 times the area of the Earth.
	Well, that's pretty big.
	That's the fun thing about this job, is that just about everything I look at is bigger than the Earth.
	And I keep, even though I've been here for a long time, I keep thinking about that.
	That doesn't do a lot for Earth-man egos.
	No, it sure doesn't.
	Everything you look at is bigger than the Earth.
	Just about everything, that's right.
	All right.
	Well, we had, of course, on Friday, An incredible display of Aurora that came from a lesser event than apparently has just occurred this afternoon.
	It was amazing.
	We had blood-red skies here in the desert.
	In fact, I had emails from people who said they saw it in Puerto Rico, the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, Mexico.
	That's incredible!
	Absolutely incredible!
	And the other thing was, and maybe you can explain this to me just before we get on to the news, Somehow, I got a lot of emails from people in Canada who said that they saw it, but guess what?
	They were looking south to see it.
	Yeah, well those particles come in and they're slightly unpredictable as to where they'll be the strongest.
	And we, Southern California for example, where I'm located, just happens to be a really good place to look at it.
	So I guess this one must have come in at a latitude that was a little lower than usual.
	Right.
	They differ, but it's very, very rare, and we'll probably never see it again.
	In our lifetimes?
	Right.
	Well, that came from... Depending on how old you are.
	Yes, I expect it to be perhaps my last, although you never know.
	After all, this spot, this 9393, is now going around sun, right?
	So in 30 days, potentially, it'll come back around.
	Yeah, most likely, it'll come back much decayed.
	That's usually the pattern.
	These things usually use up their energy, and the evolution is such that it'll be much weaker.
	Although, sometimes we have things called favored longitudes, and that's where there'll be a brand new eruption of magnetic flux coming up very near to this one.
	So it may not be 9393, but it may be related to 9393 in some way.
	Indeed, there's quite a few up there right now actually, aren't there?
	Yeah, this is a little bit surprising to some of us, the way that this region developed and has this tremendous sunspot area.
	Well, I had heard from various sources that we were past the peak of the sun cycle.
	That's exactly right, and now if you look at from places that measure very accurately sunspot, total sunspot area, right now It's at a higher level than when it was at solar maximum, this little spike, due to 9393 plus a bunch of other spots more minor.
	Could they be wrong about the peak, Bill?
	Well, probably not.
	It's common for the descending branch of a solar cycle to have these last big shots, and most often these on the descending branch, when we're going down towards minimum again, are the stronger Terrestrial, have stronger terrestrial effects.
	Well, how strong was the one today?
	Today, what you were talking about, megaflare and the GOES X-ray flux scale.
	Actually, what happened is that the scale saturated at about X-17 or so.
	And the people in space weather operations in Boulder, Colorado are Probably going to come out tomorrow and say that this could be an X-22 or X-21 and that would make it the largest flare since we've been ranking these things.
	There was an X-20 back in August 1989.
	And this could go as high as an X-20?
	Well, it's possible that when they figure out beyond the saturation point that it may be an X-20 222.
	I'm not sure yet.
	We'll find out tomorrow morning on that.
	So that would be the biggest one in my life?
	That I've ever seen in my career.
	In over 30 years.
	Were they even accurately observing and recording?
	They weren't.
	They couldn't have been 100 years ago.
	This would be the biggest since they've been recording flares in this manner.
	Biggest ever recorded then?
	Yeah, in the X-ray classification.
	Wow!
	Wow.
	Now, there's good news and bad news.
	The good news is that you were telling me that because it had rotated almost over the edge, it's probably not headed toward Earth.
	That's correct.
	That's it.
	As far as we can tell right now, the terrestrial effects of this flare will be minor.
	And the one on the 29th, that was, I believe, an X1.7.
	Right.
	But it was in a very favored position.
	So, if this one had occurred, you know, a week ago, or a few days ago... Well, let's say a couple days ago.
	Yeah, a couple days ago.
	What would have happened?
	Would we have lost satellites?
	Well, that's... You know, you never can tell.
	It's speculation.
	But I would... That's a good possibility that satellites could be disrupted.
	They could be lost temporarily.
	And in some cases, damaged by a flare like this.
	So we, by a few days of rotation, we missed it.
	But just a few days ago, it really would have been a whopper here on Earth.
	Well, it certainly looks that way.
	You know, you never know.
	The nature is funny.
	But there's no doubt that it would have been much more severe.
	Is there any chance of even minor effects from it?
	Yeah, there's probably going to be minor effects from this flare, because it was so large, and we're probably on the edge of the coronal mass ejection.
	But looking at the images earlier today, you get a beautiful coronal mass ejection, and it was directed off to the west.
	Sort of like a garden hose.
	I mean, it's a pretty narrow deal.
	And a garden hose spraying out, and if the Earth is just in that path, and if everything is set up right, then you could have some major problems on Earth.
	It would have been, I suppose, in one way, interesting, but I'm sitting here saying, thank God, I depend heavily on satellites for everything I do.
	And I was imagining earlier today, the worst, and you know, wondering if I'd be on the air.
	Oh, yeah, well, nowadays, we're pretty much on top of these things.
	And satellites can be somewhat safeguarded from events like this.
	The one that produced the amazing auroral display Friday, is there a way to describe how much bigger the flare we had today is than that one?
	In other words, with the Richter scale in earthquakes, we know we go by a magnitude of 10.
	When you look at the skull's x-ray scale, is it a linear progression?
	Does it increase exponentially?
	Right.
	Second.
	So it would be many, many, many times greater.
	Wow.
	Well, you know, the interplanetary medium is so complicated that you don't know.
	We've had a lot of big flares and we haven't had that many problems on Earth.
	And these are quite rare.
	Problems on Earth from large flares are quite rare.
	Right.
	The last time that we had big problems was in 1989 from solar flares.
	Yes, I remember that very well indeed.
	I worked for a 50,000 watt radio station and I did the all-night talk show.
	And we depended heavily, of course, on out-of-state callers.
	And it got so bad in 89, Bill, that I didn't have any out-of-state callers.
	Nobody could hear me out of state.
	Oh yeah, I mean that was a famous solar storm.
	Yes, it was horrendous.
	Alright, well listen, I really want to thank you for appearing tonight and telling us about this, and particularly the part about it missing us.
	Thank you very much.
	Yeah, thank you, and it was a pleasure.
	Okay, good night.
	That's Bill Marquette.
	Thought you might just want to know.
	At the Site Director and Chief Observer at Big Bear Solar Observatory.
	It was a monster we had today.
	If you want to know more about it, go to my website under What's New, and then under Bill Marquette's name, you will see a picture of what a CME, it's from NASA, of what a CME would look like if it were headed directly at the Earth.
	Of this magnitude, a megaflare CME.
	Take a look at that.
	You'll see the little earth there, you'll see the big sun, you'll see the flare.
	And that is to scale.
	Just go to my website, go to tonight's guest, and look under the name Bill Marquette.
	I think you'll get an idea of the scale of the thing.
	So, the X-ray scale, then, is just like the Richter scale, and the increase is exponential.
	So imagine the amount of energy that just ripped out of the sun today.
	amaze.
	At the top of the hour, Dr. Nick Begich is going to be here and we're going to be talking about things electromagnetic.
	We're going to be talking about HAARP.
	Oh, and they've been up again, transmitting again.
	HAARP has, or what passes for HAARP, it operates on their frequency, and boy is it loud.
	Oh my God, is it loud.
	It's loudest in Hawaii and Alaska.
	And they've been coming up on 3.39 and other frequencies.
	And so, if you've wanted to know what HAARP is, you're about to find out.
	We're going to talk about other electromagnetic weapons.
	As a recent electromagnetic victim, I'm very interested in all of this.
	So, Nick Begich is the guy.
	He'll be here next hour.
	Meanwhile, the news, which is never good, is not good tonight.
	As you know, a spy plane, one of ours, is now in the possession of the Chinese.
	We say it was over international airspace.
	They say not, of course.
	I figure, personally, either one could be true.
	Don't you?
	The Chinese have gone aboard, taken the crew off.
	They don't know where the pilot is.
	I heard something about his being missing, but the 24 crew, they've got them.
	We haven't seen them yet.
	We've been making demands to see them.
	They had to, it was an emergency landing, after a collision with a Chinese fighter.
	So, you know, it's a pretty serious item.
	The President has been making some pretty loud noises, but with regard to China, that's, I think, about all we can do.
	There's not going to be any Entebbe-type rescue mission, you can be sure of that.
	You know, unless The only way I could think we might do something like that would be if indeed we were truly righteous and our plane was not really over their airspace.
	Now, who do I believe?
	Do I believe the US or do I believe the Chinese?
	Mostly I don't believe either one of them.
	I think either one could be true.
	And I'm sure they will give our major asset back to us the airplane after the after they're sure that the role of film and the schematics are all in place and they know all they want to know we would do i'm sure exactly the same thing if we had a chinese by plane that we've brought down or a russian spy plane you remember the you to the went down in russia well you know you can always be sure they're gonna find out everything they can uh... before returning our asset to us it's kind of uh... red october in reverse
	Last word they had from the crew was that Chinese soldiers were boarding the aircraft.
	It landed at Hainan Island in China.
	Every bit of state-of-the-art electronic eavesdropping equipment and secret stuff aboard that plane and the Chinese, you just know they're poring over it right now.
	It supposedly is an EP3E Ares II, part of the World Watchers out of Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Washington, and Kadena Air Base, Okinawa.
	Gosh, I spent a lot of time at Kadena.
	Anyway, I've got an awful lot more news for you.
	I don't think the U.S.
	is going to take any sort of precipitous military action.
	You never know.
	We might.
	It'll be interesting to watch President Bush and see what he does about this.
	If we were really righteous, he might be tempted to do something.
	If we really were over their airspace, then what we have to do is bluster real hard and get them to give back the airplane.
	But boy, you know they're pouring over it.
	And you know if we had one of theirs, we'd be pouring over it too.
	Probably putting it through some long quarantine, making sure that their soldiers were okay and that the airplane was safe.
	Whatever excuse you would have while you send in the merry band of schematic copiers.
	I suppose the crew would have had some opportunity to destroy the most secret of things, hopefully, before they were forced down.
	You would imagine there would be that scenario, right?
	And there would be a certain number of things that you would absolutely destroy before allowing it to fall into anybody's hands.
	Certainly hope so.
	So that's the mainstream news that's going on right now.
	Pretty serious stuff.
	I've got more news for you.
	News you will not hear elsewhere coming up in a moment.
	News you may not want to hear.
	Nevertheless, real stuff.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
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	It certainly is.
	Good morning, everybody.
	So, in other words, summing up, we just had the biggest sun flare in recorded history.
	They still haven't figured out how big it is.
	It actually saturated their gear, so...
	We missed it by a couple of days, a couple of days earlier, and you can equate this to a shotgun being pointed at your belly.
	Wasn't there somebody who said something about a shot across the bow?
	Shot across the... Who was that?
	Who was that anyway?
	Who said that?
	Something about a shot across the bow.
	Remember that?
	something about a shot across the bow let me give you just a little bit of an idea of what's
	coming up uh... in the first part of this month alright
	Tomorrow night, Dr. Gilbert DeLavoye, MD, and I'm sure I'm slaughtering his name, he's a medical doctor and internist, and he has been for years now researching the shroud of Jesus Christ, the Shroud of Turin.
	I say Jesus Christ because he says he can prove that in fact that shroud was From Jesus Christ.
	That should be interesting.
	Tomorrow night will be very interesting.
	The following night, heaven in a chip.
	Imagine achieving digital immortality in a computer chip.
	Well, we'll be talking about that with Bart Kosko on Wednesday night.
	So we've got, oh gosh, we've got all kinds of things coming up.
	Let's see, after Bart Kosko, Albert Taylor.
	We're going to be talking to him a little bit about the Shadow People, because I don't know what else to do about that.
	We'll talk more about the Shadow People here in a moment.
	Albert Taylor, followed by, on Friday... Well, that, too, said Shot Across Vows Ed Dames, wasn't it?
	Major Ed Dames will be here Friday.
	Yes, I knew, of course.
	I just wanted to get you shouting at the radio.
	Monday next is Philip Hogue, No Such Thing as Doomsday.
	But the issues he discusses are kind of doomsday-ish, mad cow disease, anthrax, earth changes, that sort of thing.
	Then on Tuesday of the following week, we're going to have a guest who wrote Deathbed Visions, and Dr. Carla Wills-Brandon is going to be our guest, talking about Deathbed Visions and people who have actually felt The spirit of a person leaving the body at the moment of death.
	Deathbed visions.
	We haven't talked a lot about that, but we're going to.
	So she'll be our guest.
	Then, Friday the 13th, we're gonna have Ghost2Ghost.
	It just seemed, Friday the 13th seems like the day to do Ghost2Ghost.
	What do you think?
	Monday, the following, we're going to have Harold Ort from Popular Communications here.
	You know me, I love talking about radio.
	The next night, we're going to, Tuesday, that would be what, April the 17th, we're going to have Gordon Michael Scallion here.
	Talked to Gordon earlier today, he said, yep, guess it's about time I come back on.
	I said, yes, I guess it is.
	So, Gordon will be here.
	The following night, Wednesday, Professor John Mack, We'll be here.
	And he's got it.
	He might also have something to say about the Shadow People.
	The following night, Thursday, April the 19th, we're going to have Danion Brinkley.
	Danion Brinkley will be back.
	As a matter of fact, Danion Brinkley came to see me today.
	Just, uh, late after, just as I was hearing about this megaflare, knock, knock, knock on the door, and there's Danion.
	So, he'll be here.
	Anyway, that gives you a little bit of an idea.
	Now listen, I've got some stuff I've got to get to you.
	From Chico, California, Associated Press, Dateline April 2nd, two of three cloned heifers at the California State University Chico Farm have died, and a third may be in trouble now.
	One of the three calves died at the farm last week, another died over the weekend at the University of California, Davis, which has also participated in the cloning experiment.
	The three heifers were born March 9th to two surrogate cows.
	A total of 28 cloned embryos were implanted into 14 surrogate Hereford cows.
	The three calves were the only ones to survive, so... We're a-clonin', but it's not a-workin' out too well yet.
	Meanwhile, people are testifying in front of Congress about cloning a human being, and I don't think so.
	I wonder if the government is going to step in.
	I wonder if they should.
	I'm not a big fan of government stepping in, but this cloning thing with regard to humans is about to happen, and obviously it's not working out too well yet with animals.
	So we might not be real happy that we did that.
	Pigs are dying.
	Pigs are dying.
	Headline says, ABC News says, Forget about the current media spotlight on mad cow and foot and mouth disease for the moment.
	Our discovery today is about a disease in pigs that in many ways is like AIDS.
	This may be one you haven't heard about, huh?
	The reproductive and respiratory syndrome, which often kills baby pigs, is characterized by a variety of conditions and is causing economic hardship for pig farmers.
	Affected mothers lose up to 10% of their pregnancies.
	Their babies are spontaneously aborted or stillborn.
	As many as 20% to 30% of survivors may suffer and die from respiratory disease like pneumonia.
	This virus is said to primarily attack a pig's immune system, we're discovering, leaving the body open to a host of other infections.
	Oh, that does sound like AIDS, doesn't it?
	Particularly in the lungs.
	Some pigs develop a chronic infection, become Carriers, but show no symptoms.
	Boy, that sure sounds like AIDS, doesn't it?
	Research reveals that the virus is transmitted via semen, saliva, and blood.
	Those pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks may be more susceptible to infection.
	To date, there is no evidence the virus can affect human beings, yet.
	Do you sense that we are really racing towards something fast?
	I mean all of this information about our animals which are going to be not edible if things continue as they are now.
	Something is obviously going on.
	Somebody wrote me the following and I thought it appropriate here.
	We live in a moment of history where change is so speeded up that we begin to see the present only when it is already disappearing.
	It's another way of saying we're quickening, huh?
	Think about that for a moment.
	We live in a moment of history where change is so speeded up
	that we begin to see the present only when it is already disappearing.
	And now, the shadow people.
	on.
	On Friday night, Saturday morning's program, It was as wild in this studio as you can imagine it gets.
	The first part of the program was totally obliterated by the sun.
	The skies in Nevada, Southern Nevada, California, New Mexico, all the way down to Puerto Rico and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands turned red, blood red.
	Some green and other colors were noticed as well.
	Here in the desert, though, We don't see this happen, and yet it did occur in the sky at, uh, what, about 10.15 at night, which should have been pitch black.
	Well, it looked like a forest fire, and we, of course, got whacked by the sun.
	So that was pretty wild.
	But then it got wilder.
	From one caller that I had had the previous night, who I put back on the air again, because he sent me a phone number, We began talking about a subject called The Shadow People.
	Now, I have never seen in my life such a response.
	I tell you now, I have had 2,000 emails from people who have seen The Shadow People.
	What the hell have we stumbled into?
	What have we stumbled into?
	I could read you story after story after story What happened is a fellow called up and said, you know, normally it's just like a moving shape I see in my peripheral vision out of the corner of my eye.
	And I talked about my old Dreamland intro.
	Remember that?
	Being seen at the edge of vision.
	Remember that intro?
	Well, for the rest of the night, I couldn't stop it.
	We had people calling about, The Shadow People, who said, peripheral vision at first, but after a while, Art, you can actually see these Creatures straight on.
	And then I began to read my email after the program.
	And it went absolutely nuts.
	We're into something big here.
	I don't know what.
	I really don't know what.
	Somebody wrote to me.
	Bruce wrote to me and said, Art, I'm interested in the shadow people topic.
	Haven't seen any, but I was wondering if you're considering having an expert speak on the subject on your show sometime in the near future.
	Where do you go to get an expert on something I never even heard of?
	The shadow people.
	They're not ghosts.
	They don't act that way.
	They don't want to see us.
	They move away when we do see them.
	They appear surprised when we see them.
	They're described as small, relatively, for a human being.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Did I say human being?
	I have no idea whether they're human.
	Probably not.
	Possibly not.
	OBE people?
	Maybe.
	Maybe not.
	In other words, Bruce, I would be more than happy to get an expert on the Shadow People.
	I mentioned it to Professor John Mack earlier today, and he said, yeah, well, we'll talk about that.
	So I don't know whether John really knows about it, or is simply prepared to talk about it, or what?
	But off the top of my head, there's no such thing as calling up a shadow people expert.
	So I don't know what to do with all this.
	I'm just telling you all that we have really stumbled into something very, very serious.
	I've had no less than 2,000 reports of people seeing shadow people, of various levels of encounters with shadow people, And nobody talked about it until Friday, and now I can't stop people from talking about it.
	So... I don't know, folks.
	I'm digesting this one.
	I'm trying to figure it out.
	If I can find somebody who really knows about this phenomena, obviously we'll have them on.
	I'm just trying to impart to you the magnitude of response.
	When I get 2,000 emails From people saying they've had encounters with these whatever in the heck they are.
	We're into something big.
	I'll work on it.
	If you have ideas, be sure and send them to me.
	If you happen to know an expert on shadow people, for God's sakes, email me.
	Amazing.
	Meat.
	You're going to want to brace yourself for this one.
	Speaking of meat.
	Meat in Moldova.
	In Europe, Moldova was human flesh.
	Tests yesterday have revealed.
	Two women were selling the meat outside a butcher's shop in the capital of Moldova.
	They were arrested for selling outlawed meat, but officials were uncertain until the tests that it was in fact human.
	A customer reported the women to police on Friday, After she bought the meat, which they were selling by the bag, according to interior ministry officials.
	The bag.
	A bag of meat.
	Human meat.
	Yuck.
	Women told police that they acquired the meat from a state cancer clinic, and authorities immediately launched an investigation.
	So great.
	A state cancer clinic.
	please said they did not want to make an official statement on the arrest of the
	women because they didn't want to create public revulsion
	and panic uh... pop pop pop pop pop pop pop
	well what do they think this story does Thank you very much.
	Alright, I can see that I'm not going to make it to the phone, so...
	Sorry about that, just too much I wanted to get to you.
	Check this one out again from, as always, Britain, where they get these stories and we don't seem to.
	British scientists on the Trail of Yeti, Bigfoot, brace yourself folks, have found some of the best evidence yet for the existence of a mythical Himalayan creature.
	It's a sample of hair that has proved impossible to identify.
	In other words, Not human hair, not ape hair.
	It is something new.
	Genetic tests on the hair, which was gathered from a tree in Butin, have failed to match its DNA to that of another animal, or any animal.
	The findings, which have surprised skeptical researchers, raise the strong possibility that the sample belongs to an as-of-yet undiscovered species of animal.
	Hmm.
	In Buton, an expedition team was led by an official Yeti hunter to a forest in the eastern part of the country where he was convinced that an animal was at large.
	He told us that he had found evidence of the Yeti in the hollow of a cedar tree.
	Rob McCall, a zoologist who was part of the expedition, said, Dr. McCall's team removed strands of hair from the tree and returned to Britain to have them analyzed.
	Brian Seitz, Professor of Human Genetics at the Oxford Institute of Molecular Medicine, one of the world's leading experts on DNA analysis, who examined the hair, said, quote, We found some DNA in it, but we don't know what it is.
	It's not a human, not a bear, nor anything else we have so far been able to identify.
	It's a mystery.
	And I never thought it would end this way.
	Huh.
	So then let me tell you this.
	I have a friend in the TV production business who is on to perhaps the biggest Yeti story ever in the middle part of the country.
	I won't identify where yet.
	The people right now are very reluctant to talk.
	They're afraid for themselves.
	And I'm not going to give away any of the incredible story, but I'll just tell you that in the middle of the country there has been a really, really major Yeti incident.
	Let's see, how can I put this?
	With a very great deal of evidence.
	It's just that the people involved are worried for themselves and for very good reasons.
	So whether we're going to get them on the air or not is problematic right now.
	It's being worked on.
	I guess that's all I better say.
	Anybody want to give Sean Morton credit for calling the Nasdaq?
	He called the Nasdaq down to $17.82.
	Today it, in fact, closed at $17.82.
	Now, of course, after hours trading, no doubt, changed that figure by 10 o'clock Eastern, but the market closed at $17.82, and that's a fact.
	Sean Morton called that one, folks, big time.
	Big time.
	So, I don't know what to tell you.
	I know a lot of you don't believe in prophets and prophecy and all the rest of it, but there really is, you know, there's something about Sean David Morton.
	I joked, you know, I always said he had the, as many hits as the Mafia.
	And since the Mafia has calmed down a little bit, since the old days, he may have more hits than the Mafia.
	I mean, he hit it right on the mark now.
	You may recall he said if it goes below that figure, then look out, Katie, bar the door, anything could happen.
	If it goes above that figure, it's going to bounce back up and things are going to be okay.
	But just in case you were curious about the prophecy of Sean David Morton, there you go.
	I thought I would call that one.
	This person who sent it to me did, and it deserves recognition.
	He hit it right on the mark.
	Dead square on the mark.
	I've got a terrible story here, which I guess I'm glad I don't have time to read about a 12-year-old boy and what he did in Las Vegas at a local pet store.
	It's probably just as well I don't have time to read that to you right now.
	Anyway, Nick Begich, right around the corner.
	Can all this happen?
	What an incredible week.
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	Tonight's program originally aired April 2nd, 2001.
	Good morning, everybody.
	The sun just spit the biggest spit, the biggest hucker that the sun in our history of recording this kind of stuff has ever spit.
	It's called a megaflare.
	A megaflare.
	Now, had it occurred about two or three days ago, it would have been aimed at the very gut of Earth.
	And what we experienced last Friday would be like child's play compared to what would have happened.
	It is by magnitude much larger We interviewed Bill Marquette, who's site director and chief observer at Big Bear Solar Observatory, and he said it actually saturated the instruments.
	Saturated them so they haven't even really figured out how big it is.
	It went up into an unnamed area that some people call a megaflare.
	You can see the X-ray flux on my website right now under What's New.
	Would have been a big electromagnetic event.
	And speaking of electromagnetic events, my guest coming up in a moment, Dr. Nick Begich, who wrote Angels Don't Play This Harp, will be here to talk about the Angelic Harp installation in Alaska, and other ones like it around the world, and other electromagnetic anomalies.
	And God knows we've been having a lot of those.
	One here in Burrump, which, like an electromagnetic blanket, descended on us.
	And then one, of course, up in Washington.
	A lot of weird happenings lately.
	Could these be electromagnetic weapons being tested?
	Probably one of my first questions.
	Anyway, he's the expert, Dr. Nick Begich, coming up shortly.
	stay right where you are dr nick baggage is the eldest son of the late united states
	congressman from alaska nick baggage senior political activist peggy baggage
	his wife He's well known in Alaska for his own political activities.
	He was twice elected president of both the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education.
	He's been pursuing independent research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult life.
	He received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for Complementary Medicines in November of 1994.
	So really, it's Dr. Biggage, isn't it?
	He co-authored the book, Angels Don't Play This Harp, Advances in Tesla Technology, and wrote Toward a New Alchemy.
	The Millennium Science, his latest book, Earth Rising, The Revolution Toward a Thousand Years of Peace, was co-authored with James Roderick in December of 99.
	Also is the editor of Earth Pulse Flashpoints, a continuing new science book series.
	He published articles in Science, Politics, and Education.
	is a well-known lecturer having presented throughout the US and in 19 countries he's been featured as a guest on thousands of radio broadcasts reporting on his research activities including new technologies health and earth science related issues has also appeared on dozens of television documentaries and other programs throughout the world including the BBC TV, CBS TV, Telemundo, and many more, Begich has served as an expert witness and speaker before the European Parliament.
	He's spoken on various issues for groups representing citizen concerns, statesmen and elected officials, scientists and others, is the publisher and co-owner of Earth Pulse Press, and is also under contract as tribal administrator of the Chickaloon Village Council Wow!
	A federally recognized American Indian tribe.
	Indian nation.
	Dr. Biggich is married to, I think it's Sheila Biggich Slade, and has five children.
	How prolific of him.
	He resides just north of Anchorage in the community of Eagle River, Alaska, USA.
	Dr. Biggich.
	Good to be with you again.
	Hi there.
	I hear now something running in the background.
	Sounds like a fan or something.
	Well, it might be wind.
	It's a little bit windy here, but that's probably all that it is.
	Then it may be our telephone that we have a big problem on.
	How is it now?
	I hear it as well.
	It's kind of in the background, but it must be the phone lines.
	Yeah, unfortunately what happens is it gets amplified.
	We'll try recalling it at the break here, or using that other phone if we must.
	Anyway, Doctor, thank you for coming on.
	There's been so much that has been happening.
	So much.
	It's like I don't know where to start.
	I guess we should begin.
	There are a lot of new listeners out there, and so give them a quick 101 on harp.
	You wrote, of course, Angels Don't Play This Harp, and people have been asking me, because we heard harp on 3.39, what we thought was harp.
	They denied it.
	And by the way, it's been back, Doctor, on several other frequencies, and even back on 3.39.
	When we talked about it last, it quickly disappeared.
	You checked with them.
	They said, no, they weren't operating.
	But I don't know if I'd believe that.
	I'm not sure you do either.
	Right.
	That's right.
	And you know, we've kind of followed some of this, and there's actually been a number of things happening.
	And it's really getting tougher to deduce where the signals are.
	...are being generated because there's a couple of things happening, you know, here in Alaska that may be responsible.
	There's also things happening in Russia as well as in China right now that may explain some of the signals that are being picked up.
	But if we look at, you know, sort of the mystery signals and we just sort of throw it in that category and say, what are the possible sources, at least what are the possible sources here in Alaska?
	And there's essentially Three that we can point to.
	One is, of course, the HAARP itself.
	And when we checked and rechecked and tried to get some definitive information on that, we really couldn't find anything to confirm that HAARP was responsible.
	That's not to say that it isn't either, because there's not a good deal of information being released there these days.
	That's right.
	The other place we looked is HYPAS, which doesn't have the same operating frequencies, but was and has been firing.
	HYPAS is a What was supposed to be a smaller facility located near Fairbanks, Alaska, very similar to HAARP.
	In fact, it's just been retrofitted in the last couple of months so that it gets a higher pulse power.
	And a pulse power is generated when the signal is sort of restrained and then released in a surge that causes a pretty good spike in terms of the energy discharge.
	This is what's responsible.
	What does high-pass mean?
	High-pass, I forget the full acronym, but it's essentially a phased array antenna, similar to HAARP, producing radio frequency.
	It was thought to be less capable, but with these additions now, they can get an ERP, an effective radiated power, of up to a gigawatt, or a billion watts.
	A lot of people out there are going, what are they talking about?
	Doctor, if you would, let's go ahead and change phones right now.
	You did it before, so just go ahead and change phones, if you would, and I'll point you down.
	I understand that a lot of you are going, well, what are you talking about?
	Hypass?
	Harp?
	What are these things?
	Well, I understand that for, you know, hams, they pretty much know what it's all about.
	Well, some hams might not.
	I'm fairly technically familiar with what it is.
	Doctor, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	How's that?
	Much better.
	Much better.
	All the hum's gone.
	All right.
	So, you know, a lot of people don't really know what harp is.
	Let's give them the quick version.
	Sure.
	You know, HAARP is an array or a field of antennas on the ground.
	Right now there are 48 in this array or this field.
	They're about 72 feet high.
	And then they have a cross dipole, which is like a cross running the opposite direction at the top.
	So they're big, big, huge antennas in a field.
	And these antennas are energized and they fire radio frequency energy, the same thing that essentially is being broadcast where people are hearing this.
	uh... broadcast tonight except the energy is handled uh... differently in that energy is focused in this uh...
	array or this field of antennas
	so that it's concentrated uh... into a relatively narrow narrow um... and it could be
	the equivalent of uh... if you were to use me uh... an example and just a
	crude example but a good illustration
	you know how light is focused when you use a laser versus say a flashlight with
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	The same thing happens with the HAARP system, only with radio frequency energy.
	So it sort of concentrates or focuses the energy to a relatively small area, and it creates, by peaking or pulsing the power in a specific way, you can create these huge surges.
	And in the case of a high-pass, you can go up to A billion watts.
	Now, think about that in terms of, say, a 60 watt light bulb in your house.
	If you can create an effective radiated power of a billion watts.
	Billion watts.
	And this is done by pulsing the energy, essentially, and something that can give a real high yield for a short duration of time, but if that energy is repeatedly used in very specific ways, it can then cause Releases of energy in our natural systems in an unprecedented and profound way.
	In fact, this whole discussion of what would happen if this solar activity had created more of a direct impact on the Earth.
	The discussion of what happens when that energy is discharged and comes to the Earth.
	Yeah, we missed it by like two days.
	Right.
	And what happens in that is normally it can disrupt like energy systems, power grids, communication systems.
	A radio broadcast.
	The same can be done artificially using an instrument like HAARP and using HAARP, in fact, if the energy is pulsed into this energetic area of the ionosphere and the magnetosphere, the same areas where the aurora takes place in the ionosphere, you can stimulate a number of effects that change the character of that part of our environment over a large area in much the same way as nature does.
	The only difference is Nature's shooting sort of random energy at various frequencies and wavelengths.
	Well, that's the real difference, isn't it?
	In other words, they have all these arrays of antennas on the ground, and normally a signal, like the one you're listening to on the radio right now, or a ham signal, starts out as a relatively narrow signal and just broadens out.
	And that's what almost all transmitters And antenna systems do.
	This antenna system, though, on the other hand, starts out as a broad signal, relatively broad signal.
	They have fields of antennas.
	I mean, we had a picture of HAARP, and it's just like, as far as you can see, antennas.
	So it starts out as a very broad signal, becomes a very narrow signal.
	By the time it gets to the ionosphere, it's like the laser beam, and that makes it incredibly more powerful.
	And that's what they're doing.
	Do they know what they're doing, is the question.
	Yeah, there's actually a number of things that have come from this research over the last seven or eight years.
	And the things that jump out, that really stand out, are the first desired outcomes by the military was to enhance communications with submarines.
	They were able to prove that they could do that using this system on the ground, stimulating the ionosphere, this layer that begins about 30 or 40 miles above the Earth's surface.
	Now, that would be doing the same thing as a sun flare.
	It ultimately does, right?
	Right, except from this instrument on the ground, you get coherent or very controlled energy, where you can be very precise in what energy frequency and waveform you're using.
	And what happens as a result of that, just like dialing a radio between stations, you get static, but when you hit a resonant frequency, a frequency that corresponds to the transmitter and receiver, you get a nice clear signal.
	The same is true uh... with many parts of our environment were finding in as
	well as uh... human health and even machinery can be affected
	uh... by surges of energy in a very precise way but these window
	frequencies that affect living organisms environmental systems
	or equipment uh... have been discovered in more or less charted and by
	manipulating energy uh... in very unique ways what you get is
	electromagnetic warfare one of the biggest uh... issues in the revolution
	military affairs is being discussed uh... by think tanks around the world
	and in both united states are and and and in our traditional adversaries
	uh... press reports china and russia recently having made some pretty strong
	proclamations in this area but when we talk about mystery signals
	There have been a number of reasons to suspect, at least in my mind, that either China or Russia may in fact be responsible for some of what we're hearing.
	At the same time, we know that there's been a number of tests at the Geophysical Institute dealing with the high-pass system, which has now this very high effective radiative power of a billion watts at its peak power.
	Harp eventually will be capable of that power density as well as they continue to develop it.
	Up to a billion watts.
	Remember to talk straight into that phone.
	That's really important for me.
	Yeah, and you know, when you look at a billion watts, I mean, one of the things about Harp that was talked about early on was this huge power level that was never achieved before.
	And now, you know, that was back in mid-1980s when the program first began.
	And what's happened in the intervening years is the technology has advanced dramatically, causing both miniaturization, in other words, the systems are getting smaller to have the same effects that previously would have taken a much, much larger array.
	In fact, Dr. Bernard Eastland, the inventor of the HAARP array, originally expected an array 20 kilometers by 20 kilometers squared to create the maximum effects that he saw as possible.
	But what we know now is The same effects, many of them, can be created by creating a peak power or pulse power surge of sufficient power density to change the character of the environment by hitting these very specific window frequencies.
	Wait, change the character of the environment?
	What do you mean by that?
	Well, several things.
	The first thing that comes out is the idea of modifying the ionosphere from its sort
	of random approach to how it handles its energy to something more coherent.
	In other words, switching it from DC to AC where it has an alternating current or a very
	specific pulse rate.
	What it then does is acts like a giant broadcast antenna in the sky sending a signal back to
	the Earth that can penetrate the Earth and see for things like Earth-penetrating tomography,
	which is like X-raying or looking into the Earth several miles deep for underground mineral
	deposits or nuclear facilities.
	The other thing you can do with that is communicate with submarines at pretty high data rates.
	But Doctor, how can you look into the Earth?
	I mean, that's hard to do even when you're down here on Earth and you're inserting instruments into the ground.
	It's hard to look into the Earth.
	How could you have enough power to look into the Earth?
	Bouncing something off the ionosphere, that's astounding to even think about.
	It was the resonant frequency that allowed that signal to transfer through the Earth readily and then bounce back a signal with instruments on the ground that you can actually measure that returning signal and make those deductions.
	And they actually demonstrated this And talked about it openly on BBC television, on a show called Horizons, in a segment called Masters of the Ionosphere.
	And in that, they said, you know, that they were able to locate things as precision as underground mine shafts, you know, several hundreds of feet below the surface, using this technique.
	So, you know, that idea, in fact, in order to get funding past 1996, one of the mandates of Congress, of the Senate actually, and the appropriation, was that they show that they could do this earth-penetrating tomography application or get more funding.
	And they funded it under non-proliferation and counter-proliferation of nuclear weapons in 1996's defense budget.
	Well, the thing that has bothered me about it is the amount of power that would be required to go down into the earth after a bounce off the ionosphere would have to first pass through human beings.
	Yes.
	Before it passes through the earth, right?
	Yes.
	Alright, so that means That potentially means what to a human being?
	Well, in this case, it means quite a bit, because the signal to pass through the earth, you have to have an extremely low frequency signal, a very long wavelength, in order to get through.
	Shorter wavelengths don't penetrate very deep.
	Well, these ELFs, or extremely low frequency signals, are the same signals that have been shown to be biologically active, that affect human beings in the most profound ways.
	In fact, in our latest work, we talk quite a bit about this, because the idea that The human system, the human body can be really violated by this technology in a way that not only changes, can change our health, but can also change the way our mental processes work, our behavior, can alter our emotional state dramatically.
	It could make us happy, it could make us sad, it could make us angry.
	Panic, hysteria is one of the things that's pointed out actually in a number of Publications both in the U.S.
	and China.
	Panic and hysteria?
	Yeah, by being able to, using Infrasound as an example, in a recent Chinese report that was released under a Freedom of Information Act request in January of this year.
	In fact, this researcher who pulled this, his attorney, the researcher Harlan Gerard, who's been at this a long time, he FOIA'd what is called the Foreign Broadcast Information Service, which Many people don't even know exists.
	It's an operation of the Central Intelligence Agency that translates 3,500 publications in 55 foreign languages daily, basically media and technical reports.
	One of those recent reports was this one on new technologies originating in China.
	The things that are being pointed out really confirm much of what we've been speaking about over the years.
	Yeah, where there's China's in the news today, you know.
	Absolutely.
	One of our airplanes.
	Listen, Dr. Biggage, hold on a second.
	We're going into a break.
	We'll be right back.
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	You know, there was a time when I was naive enough that I thought our government, not the United States, the United States of America would never, ever experiment on its own people with something that could potentially be a weapon, would affect our emotions, make us happy, sad, angry, out of control.
	Our government would never, never, ever experiment on us with something like that, right?
	right?
	Once again, Dr. Nick Biggage.
	Oh, by the way, if you're trying to send a fast blast, Too many people are trying to do it at once, so I think it's all okay now.
	You can try one now.
	Dr. Begich, welcome back.
	Hey, it's good to be back with you.
	Oh, this is even a better phone.
	We've been experimenting now.
	We've got a really good phone on here, I hope.
	All right.
	You heard what I said.
	You know, I really used to be rah-rah.
	We would never, ever experiment on our own people.
	Do you believe that?
	Not at all.
	In fact, in Earth Rising, we covered this issue with a chapter on just some of the most gross violations of human rights taking place in the United States.
	In fact, Secretary of Energy O'Leary, when she was in that position, suggested at one juncture that over half a million Americans had been experimented on.
	uh... as as non-content consensual victims from essentially a human experimentation this involved
	everyone from prisoners uh... orphans uh... minority populations and other disenfranchised
	populations military people as well
	in in tests on uh... basically to see what would happen uh...
	to a human being in in the course of either weapons applications or other
	uh... types of experimentation great So there's a long, rich history of experimenting on us.
	Absolutely.
	In fact, even this year, in this current congressional budget, there's a settlement for indigenous Alaskans that were used in experiments back during the Cold War, where they injected them with radioactive iodine to see what would happen in Arctic conditions over the long term.
	And finally, this year, they're financially settling with this group of folks.
	But they're not alone.
	The fact that a half a million people that is admitted to We question whether that's an accurate number.
	The fact that no one's ever been held accountable for that, I think, is really something that everyone should be pretty outraged about.
	The idea that that can happen in the United States, there's a pattern in the history of it happening, there's been some disclosures periodically which have gotten the attention of the Congress, but those abuses continue.
	It's just a matter of whether or not they're disclosed, and they usually are in the course of time, and we hear about them from time to time.
	We've tried to collect some of that data, again, because the revolution in technology is taking place now, with even more profound weapons systems that have the ability to affect our health and our environmental systems.
	It's a great deal to be concerned about, and something that we just can't dismiss.
	Well, you want to believe that your own country wouldn't do something like that.
	It's just like this American spy plane that's down on the Chinese island right now.
	Chinese are saying it was over their airspace.
	We're saying, no way, Jose, it was over international airspace.
	I figure it's about 50-50.
	And you know, they're over there using up every bit of Kodak film they can before they give it back, or probably Fujifilm, I don't know.
	Well, you know, that's not surprising.
	And the fact is, I mean, I think we would do it if we had the opportunity.
	And the Chinese right now, interestingly enough, there's been quite a bit of saber rattling from China, and mainly in response to our efforts in missile defense, something that we've been talking about, you know, for a long time.
	The Chinese have just, this last couple of months, announced one of the biggest increases in their military budget, which by U.S.
	standards is considered fairly small.
	I mean, it's in the billions of dollars, tens of billions as opposed to hundreds and hundreds of billions that we spend in the West.
	The difference is what you get for your money.
	In China, your labor for your top-notch scientists is a fraction of U.S.
	costs, your infrastructure maintenance is a fraction of the cost when you consider the price of labor materials.
	That's right, that's right.
	So the money really goes a lot further, and when you're talking about scientists, as a group of people, certainly China, out of their over a billion population, has produced some of the finest mines on the planet.
	Those are being applied to the Chinese version of the Revolutionary Military Affairs, which has been the subject as far back as November of 1997.
	uh... in the united senate select committee on intelligence there was
	really interesting testimony by a michael uh... pillsbury which really was sort of looking at what
	was china's approach to new technologies and and leapfrog in technology that was
	taking place and essentially the chinese by their own admission
	essentially appointed to not just weapons against hardware but weapons designed
	specifically disrupt system including human mental processes
	And I really want to talk about that a little bit, human mental processes.
	Would it be possible, Doctor, with HAARP or any of the other potential weapons systems, they hate it when we say that, to, let's say a battlefield situation, could you aim a weapon to the ionosphere and then down to a battlefield Where the enemy was in mass, and caused them to either be so confused that they could not function, or even worse yet, caused them to essentially go mad and begin slaughtering each other.
	Would a weapon like that be conceivable?
	You could create mass hysteria and fear, certainly, and panic.
	In fact, the test of this kind of idea was first discussed going back as far back as 1969 by science advisors to Lyndon Johnson.
	It became sort of the discussion in the 70s.
	The CIA was reported to have tested this.
	In fact, we cite the source of where that came from in Eastern Europe before the end of the Cold War.
	What?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	In fact, going even, this is the idea of bouncing a signal off the ionosphere back down to the earth where you can disturb the thought process over a large population.
	The idea was to agitate or disrupt a population.
	And the idea that you could do this on a mass scale uh... by stimulating ionosphere was goes way back and in
	the literature even brzezinski
	talked about it in his book between two ages which was published in nineteen
	seventy three he later became national security advisor to jimmy carter
	and he was talking about
	stroking ionosphere in just the right way to return a signal to
	to affect emotional states of population is that the kind of thing that harper
	do doctor absolutely in fact on the air in in terms of if it again the military when they were when
	we address this to them and and it was approached uh... the subject was
	approached also by on the canadian broadcasting system a program called undercurrents
	in the military's response was
	uh... look at the side effect for us We're not particularly interested in what it might do in that regard.
	Give me a break.
	And that's what their response was on national Canadian television.
	And that was John Heckscher commenting on it.
	And, you know, from our perspective, when we look at just the body of data surrounding this subject, whether it's HAARP used in this way or some other instrument, we've seen last month the military, the Marines in particular, released a new microwave or millimeter wave weapon for creating heat
	sensations.
	What they didn't tell us that really needs to be said is that by just changing the frequency or waveform on that
	transmitter, you might be able to create any number of other effects
	beyond just heating of the skin.
	In fact, that's probably one of the more milder effects or one that they think at least the public would accept as
	a crowd control technology.
	Well, let me tell you what the people who run these kinds of things, because I am friends with some people who are experts in what they call non-lethal weaponry.
	Right.
	And they stress non-lethal.
	They say, well, would it be better to be able to do something like this to a group of people, or to have to slaughter them?
	Well, in Cold Blood, they make that case.
	Well, that case is always made, but when you look at the history of non-lethal weapons, going back to, say, Northern Ireland and rubber bullets and tear gas, things that are considered non-lethal by most standards, those weapons over the course of time have killed many, many people.
	In fact, by comparing them to, say, Bosnia during the year, where there wasn't much going on there, but everyone was heavily armed, not with non-lethals, but with lethal weapons, No one discharged anything for a year, whereas in Northern Ireland or any other place where, quote, non-lethal, unquote, are used, death does occur from asphyxiation with gas if you have asthma or lung conditions.
	If you're using sticky foam and it gets on the face, you suffocate slowly.
	There's lots of ways to die.
	Rubber bullets can hit you in vital points and kill you.
	I know Palestinians that have been killed by rubber bullets.
	Sure, and you can get the same All kinds of situations.
	If you're hit with an electric baton or some other discharge of electromagnetic energy, it can interfere with heart rhythm and stop the heart.
	Well, I mean, you said they were working on this a long time ago, so we can only sort of imagine what the state of technology is.
	Oh, it's advanced.
	Very advanced.
	And so you've got to ask yourself, how would they test something like this?
	Now, just how would they test something?
	Let's say that you could affect a city-sized area, or even a smaller area than a full city-sized area.
	How would you test this?
	Well, the battlefield environment is the ideal place, actually.
	Yeah, but since we don't have any current battles, big ones going on, you might have to test it on a civilian population.
	Well, and that's exactly what has happened historically over time.
	When you don't have a war environment, then the U.S.
	tends to become the battleground for the experiments.
	You know, in the case of, say, the Gulf War, there was lots of rumor about infrasound devices, devices that could create a sense of panic and fear and mental distress.
	This was actually reported after the war in the Scottish media as one of the reasons why you saw the mass panics and just a whole generation of fear that came in the battlefield.
	In fact, the same technology we found in the United States patent dealing with that idea of creating a signal that you could carry on a broadcast of a radio, a transmission into an area that would carry this sort of signal below the audible level of perception so that it affected emotional state.
	And they actually use it... So you wouldn't even know it was happening to you?
	Exactly.
	In fact, the Chinese article that we were talking about being recently released under that Freedom of Information Act request talks about an infrasound weapon Specifically designed, going back to weapons testing of the 60s and 1970s, that was able to create debilitating effects on humans, including the sense of hysteria and panic.
	This could be created by creating a signal from a remote location and generating it into the battlefield environment, or carrying it on, say, a radio broadcast, as what was reported to have happened in the Gulf War.
	Non-lethal weapons.
	Another thing to remember is the definition, according to some of the people on the military side, is a weapon that kills less than 25% of the time.
	By that definition... That's their definition of non-lethal?
	Right, right.
	And your Claiborne landmines, the reason I'm laughing is a landmine has that level of lethality, but no one would call it non-lethal.
	It just happens to maim rather than kill in most instances.
	The fact is, Non-lethal weapons and all of the military protocols on deployment and use point out very clearly that these systems can also be lethal.
	And yes, of course, in a riot control situation, would you rather contain the crowd or kill the crowd?
	That's an obvious thing that most human beings would say.
	Let's contain the crowd.
	What we're concerned about is how we do that and what is the effect of that And the other part of it that we're highly concerned about is that the protocols between Department of Defense and Department of Justice give priority funding to those things with dual use, things that are going to be used against American citizens, as well as our declared enemies.
	That becomes important for Americans to understand, is that these systems aren't just intended for adversaries, but also to contain things like what we saw in Seattle a little over a year ago, civil disobedience, where some of it got out of control, but what we want to see The implementation of mass control of protesters when they're peaceably assembled?
	Or do we want to preserve that right in America in terms of dissension and right of assembly?
	Well, I don't know.
	Ask yourself if President Richard Nixon had had one of these available to him back when he was so irritated at all the demonstrations that were going on, would he have used it?
	Absolutely yes.
	In fact, Zbigniew Brzezinski at that very same time in the early 70s suggested that no matter who was in power, In his book, Between Two Ages, he said, when this technology is available in this century, whoever's in power will be tempted to use it and will use it for their political ends, regardless of whether they're conservative or liberal.
	And I'm paraphrasing a little bit from Between Two Ages, but that's the gist of it.
	And when you look at the evolution of these technologies, and now what's being poised and thrown out to the public as this great revolution in military affairs and electromagnetic warfare, the fact that it rubs right up against traditional american values and has created again the
	dilemma of choosing between safety and security uh... and giving up civil
	liberties not the place where many of these technologies are currently taking up
	well i guess if the russians and the chinese and others are developing this
	technology we don't have any choice really
	well to a point I mean, certainly we need to develop countermeasures.
	We need to have a clear understanding of what we're facing.
	But one thing to keep in mind when you're using electromagnetic weapons systems, if they're discharged and tested in any open environment, any good surveillance technology, any country with good surveillance technology could not only deduce where those emanations were coming from, but what the potential health effect would be.
	And certainly our government is well aware uh... based on the studies just the ones that we've
	uncovered in the public domain not to mention what must be hidden from public view
	but you couldn't reveal that you knew it was being done to you without
	revealing that you attitude and you have knowledge of it otherwise how could
	you track it and that did not take this right back to these mystery signals
	were hearing right now and it's been interesting that it would come at a
	time when the chinese and russians are very concerned about missile defense
	a missile defense system is being deployed in alaska based on part technology that was tested at the same
	frequencies that we know of by their own admission
	Wouldn't it make sense that one of our adversaries would want to demonstrate their capability in the same area?
	How would you stop a missile with electromagnetics?
	How would you do that with what, say, HAARP has or any of the others?
	Well, there's a couple of things that come up.
	The idea of using energy to catch a missile and then to destroy it is what we're really talking about.
	And there's a couple ways that that can happen, and you know we hear a lot about this idea of a missile-to-missile defense system, and they'll probably build it, but it's not the likely... You're thinking this is the more likely way to do it?
	Oh yeah, in fact I know... How do you get power so Narrow, so defined, that you could actually destroy a missile.
	How do you get that?
	Well, there's actually a United States patent that's owned by the Department of Energy.
	It was granted on September 25, 1990, and it's patent number 4959559.
	Wait a minute.
	Do that again.
	A lot of people want to look at it.
	also do that again a lot of people want to look at four four nine five nine five five nine
	4959559.
	and this is a uh... electromagnetic or other directed energy pulse launcher
	and it was developed for the department of energy As I said, it was granted in 1990, so it was developed in the late 80s.
	And essentially, what they have created is a weapon that if you saw it discharged, it would look like a ball of lightning.
	Traveling at near the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second.
	And this bald energy, or this ball of lightning, within the patent, they describe it as like a photon torpedo right out of Star Trek.
	You know, I think I've seen one.
	I think I mentioned this to you before.
	This thing in Australia?
	Yeah, have you ever seen that satellite photo?
	I've not seen it, but I remember we talked about it.
	We were trying to figure out what it was.
	Well, it was after that that we tripped over Uh, this patent, and it makes a good explanation for what was seen, uh, because that was traveling at this huge velocity, and the only place you could test this is over huge, vast, open space, because, I mean, it would be just a fraction of a second that you would actually see something fly by.
	That's right.
	And, you know, and that's, um, you know, when you think about this type of weapon, you remember that, that other, um, sort of blob of energy taken from the, uh, uh, I think it was the space shuttle?
	Yes.
	Yeah, that actually is what I was talking about.
	Yeah, that whole idea.
	The space shuttle camera focused on a point on Earth, folks, and then waited.
	And what you saw erupt from the Earth into space was like a ball, a plasma ball of something.
	It just went, boom!
	It was the most amazing, and obviously the shuttle cameras were waiting for it, so we knew there was some kind of experiment underway.
	Right.
	And it looked like a plasma ball firing into space.
	Right.
	And this, you know, when we started writing about this stuff in HAARP initially, and then what we found is a lot more, and people confuse them, and that's something we should point out, is when we're on the air, like tonight, we're talking about a lot of different weapon systems, and we don't want to confuse them, because what we're talking about now is something quite different than HAARP.
	If you want to go back to HAARP for a minute, it can create What's called an electromagnetic pulse, or a surge of energy capable of disrupting sensitive electronics.
	In fact, this idea is really capitalized on by the Chinese.
	In fact, in this Senate Intelligence Committee, one of the things that the Chinese point out is a first strike option, which allows, as they say, and I quote, the inferior to become the superior.
	And this is the Chinese approach.
	uh... to defenses to create the best electromagnetic weapon systems and here's the things that they would try and attack according to the senate testimony is radar and radio stations using uh... smart weapons but then jamming technologies for communications uh... attacking communication centers and facilities command shelter worth about the hour this is exactly where we're going to pick up when we get back on it i'd stay right there and the reason is because i think that we were attacked in perot nevada Remember that attack?
	I said for the first time, and I don't jump to these conclusions, I think we were specifically attacked.
	All the microwave, land microwave, satellite, everything disappeared, and then slowly came back.
	There's nobody in the world that's gonna tell me that we weren't affected by something the military was doing out there, and that wasn't very long ago.
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	A little while ago, I used a pretty dramatic word, attack.
	I thought we were attacked, and I stand by that.
	And in a moment, I will explain it, and we'll ask Dr. Begich what he thinks.
	Alright, we're going back now to Dr. Nick Begich.
	But just very briefly, as you know, we went off the air for the second time in the history of this program, only this one was the weirdest.
	Last time it happened, a satellite began tumbling in space, and so we lost the satellite.
	This last outage was much more intriguing.
	We were able to actually watch what's called the EB level, the signal level, On our end and up in Oregon, slowly over a 45 minute period, go from full signal, that we've got right now, God I hope so, to a point where we lost lock.
	It was so low, it was so diminished, it virtually went to zero, and we lost signal.
	They had no more satellite signal.
	We had to go to a backup landline.
	At the very same time, and we can prove it with graphs, The local internet service delivered by Land Microwave also on seven different receivers, microwave paths, in every case went to zero.
	And I mean, zero!
	So, with all that in mind, something happened here in Pahrump, Nevada.
	Now, who has the technology to be able to do that?
	To shut down satellite signals?
	In fact, all microwave signals over a very broad spectrum From 2.4 gigahertz to about 11 and 13 gigahertz now.
	Gee whiz, who could do something like that?
	And confine it to an area like Perup.
	I said attacked.
	Maybe we were experimented upon.
	I don't know.
	But I tell you what happened was not natural.
	Doctor, what could do that?
	Well, this is exactly the kind of effect that some of these new technologies are designed to create.
	Whether it's our own experiments or someone Demonstrating their own capability in a covert way, but a way that we would recognize that's certainly a plausible explanation as well.
	The Chinese and the Russians both have been pursuing this whole line for really decades in terms of, you know, and they look at it as, what can we do from their perspective to leapfrog ahead?
	Or what areas are our systems, because they are so sensitive, what areas can that sensitivity be attacked?
	And this is Where the EMP, or Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons, and other technologies that exploit the weaknesses of our system, and that weakness is the very technology upon which it's built.
	In fact, our own government has spent huge sums of money in developing what are called hardening technologies to protect us from this kind of attack.
	And this was sort of the subject, as we were talking before the break, of what was coming up in the Senate hearings on Chinese capability.
	Not only are the systems They can generate these kinds of effects being created, but at the same time, other technologies are advancing in the area of, say, nanotechnology, where things are being miniaturized.
	We're getting more bang for the buck with smaller and smaller systems.
	The Chinese actually refers to them as magic weapons, because they seem like they're just something right out of science fiction.
	And that shows up actually in that Senate report.
	Well, you know, normally you wouldn't think the Chinese would be That advanced.
	However, they seem to have walked out with a lot of our secrets, and so I guess what you cannot do, you can steal.
	Well, and something else to consider is when I talk about the health effects of electromagnetic fields, the Chinese are probably the oldest practitioners of energy medicine on the planet through the system of acupuncture, although there might be some debate about other cultures that have had it.
	Certainly the Chinese understand the effect of electromagnetic fields on human health, Acupuncture is based on an energy system in the body that can actually be measured on the surface of the skin by skin resistance differentials that distinguish where those acupuncture points are.
	Ancient Chinese understood that you could affect a person's health by affecting their energetic system.
	What modern science has rediscovered is how to do this, not with needles as in old acupuncture, uh... new technologies that can interfere with knowing that
	system but other functioning systems of the human body read about the
	so we read the story here i think a week ago about or two weeks ago now
	about wow a new weapon that will keep your skin right and cause you to be
	uncomfortable and and we have a weapon now it'll hear skin it's a non-lethal
	but to me it was like well yeah maybe non-lethal on setting number one in number
	two okay But what should you do on ten or twelve?
	Well, it's not just the intensity.
	That would affect, say, the intensity of the signal.
	And what their own experiments showed is that it will create actual burning of tissue at high enough energy densities.
	But what also was not discussed when that system was unveiled is millimeter waves near microwave wavelengths have been shown at very different frequencies to have very different kinds of effects.
	In other words, On the one mode of operation, you create the sensation of heating.
	In other modes of operation, you could create disorientation.
	Disorientation.
	And you would create fear and hysteria, or any number of effects, depending on the sophistication of the transmitter and the knowledge level of the operator.
	But from the military reports, in terms of the dosimetry, what dosages of what amounts of energy in what waveforms and frequencies can affect our health, has been analyzed to death by the military.
	I mean, through reports that they released to the public, even, there's a great deal revealed in those in terms of affecting, say, the heart or the lungs.
	I was going to say, Doctor, can you induce heart failure with microwaves?
	At the right pulse rate?
	Yes, you can.
	Heart failure.
	Okay.
	If an autopsy was done on somebody who had been remotely killed with microwave heart failure, What would that autopsy likely show?
	Well, if it was done well, it would show the symptoms of a heart attack that wouldn't be... You really couldn't determine a natural from a... You mean we wouldn't know?
	We wouldn't say, wow, look at this, this guy really got hit by a microwave beam, huh?
	You wouldn't say that?
	Not necessarily.
	I mean, if it were a sloppy job, I suppose, at high energy densities, you'd see things that were not normal with a normal heart attack.
	The idea of these weapons are to be able to use them in a way where you have plausible deniability as well.
	I mean, the idea of a covert war and the idea of not a big scene on the CNN News when there's body parts scattered across the body field.
	Instead, you have a much different visual image of these weapons.
	That's actually looked at by the military.
	We wrote about it in quoting their own publications as an advantage, because even though it made more devastating or as devastating, It's not as visually offensive to the American public opinion.
	No, you just drop over.
	Right, right.
	And, you know, when you think about it, the idea of burning someone, first of all, I mean, think about that concept of the Marines, and unveiling this is one of the ways they thought, well, okay, let's talk about a use that maybe the public wouldn't object too strongly for.
	But, you know, the last time we used burning as a basic method of coercing behavior was somewhere back in the Middle Ages, and I hope we're not headed back there.
	But that's the last time.
	Well, I know, but if you don't see charred bodies, if all you see is people dropping dead on the battlefield, well, gee, that's clean enough for CNN.
	Yeah, and unfortunately, you know, what we're talking about as well with these technologies, you know, there's so much variability and yet there's so much unknown as well.
	We don't know, for instance, what potential side effects our own operators.
	In fact, the early versions of some of these weapons, the side lobes coming off of the machines actually Affected the operators themselves with the same negative effects.
	I wanted to ask you about HAARP.
	Now, when HAARP is cranked up, do they operate that right on site or do they operate that remotely?
	Well, they have the capability of doing it remotely.
	In fact, that was what was originally engineered in were fiber optic links that gave them really high data densities and real high data rates.
	Where they could control every aspect of the facility without ever having to set foot on it.
	Now, why would they want to do that?
	Well, I mean, there's several reasons you can think of.
	One is, of course, to get away from the side lobes and radiation with your scientific team.
	The other reason would be it would be less obvious that the system were operating if you didn't have a full contingent of scientists.
	Yeah, but another way, don't cook the cooks.
	Right, right, right.
	And, you know, it allows you a lot of...
	The ability to have a facility in a remote location and yet not have a lot of traffic in and out of it.
	I mean, you can essentially operate it from wherever.
	In other words, you could say, my God, look, what are you talking about, HAARP operating?
	All we've got is a guard at the gate over there.
	Right.
	Exactly right.
	And that's been the standard pitch by the HAARP planners.
	You know, the big change in the last few years on HAARP is the amount of public discussion and how readily they respond to the public.
	I mean, they no longer facilitate some of the international news teams.
	Interview requests that, you know, previously were considered.
	Oh, heck, there was a time.
	There was a time.
	Do you remember?
	We're going to have a harped guy on the air and we're going to have him actually debate with you.
	Right.
	And they, I think they decided they just didn't want to do that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you know, I mean, there's, I understand.
	I mean, certainly we understand that, you know, they're uncomfortable talking about some of these issues.
	And the fact is, you know, that's fine.
	And we understand the rationale behind it.
	Our concern has always been, Not necessarily to say, hey, let's just stop HAARP.
	Let's not do HAARP.
	Let's not look at any of the potentials there.
	It has always been, whatever we do there, let's make sure it makes sense.
	And it lines up with American values.
	Well, I would ask if they even know what they're really doing.
	I'm not so sure about that.
	And that applies to the Chinese and the Russians, too.
	I'm sure that if we were to go to the HAARP facility and get to walk the halls in the HAARP facility, we probably would not find Any pictures of Dr. Begich on the wall?
	No.
	No, I'm afraid not.
	In fact, you know, I mean, the whole thing for us has been... Might find a Dr. Begich dartboard.
	Yeah, we might.
	We might, indeed.
	But, you know, it's again, it's a situation for us.
	This system and systems like it, this whole revolution that the military has been selling the public, and yet only in incremental bites.
	I mean, we didn't even, as a general population, start to hear much about it until this new presidential administration.
	Many of us have been talking about it for, you know, seven or eight years now.
	Finally, they're saying, hey, we're in a revolution of military affairs.
	We're going to leapfrog ahead of the technologies, right in the middle of these areas.
	And these are why, and these areas are why I think we need a lot of public discussion.
	The idea of mind control technology, the idea of environmental systems can be controlled by man's technology.
	Let's talk a little bit about mind control for a second.
	Now, I'm not saying that this is it, but we have kids shooting kids.
	At a rate that is... When I was going to school, this didn't happen.
	It just didn't happen.
	Now, children are shooting children on a regular basis.
	I'm sitting on a story here from Las Vegas, a little 12-year-old who hid himself inside a pet store until all the employees left yesterday, I guess it was, and tortured every single pet he could find in the store after they left to death.
	Now, this is behavior that is not rational from a 12-year-old.
	Shooting other children is not rational behavior, and it's recent behavior, and I'm not saying that it's because of HAARP or anything like HAARP, but I'm asking if it could be.
	Well, let's look at that for a minute.
	You know, look at the things that create stress in modern society, and one of the things that is, this is the whole area and the basis for these same weapon systems that are used to target populations.
	When you think about just the amount of energy surrounding us as a population and how that's geometrically increased and is increasing even more rapidly with the advent of, say, cell phones and cell towers as a new technology introduced to our environment, what we know about this energy is it creates an overall stress level to the body, and that can be measured in any number of ways.
	Just on a sort of a subjective level, you notice that as soon as the power goes out in the community, at how relaxed your whole body tends to feel as the stress is sort of released, it's almost like exhaling.
	Very interesting point.
	It is.
	It's like you stop, and you sit, and you go, huh.
	And you breathe again, you know?
	It's almost like you breathe again.
	And when you think about that low-level stress, and in the urban areas, it's even more intense.
	I mean, that's why When you go out to the country, you notice immediately, and you stop and think about this, it all makes sense.
	I mean, as an instrument, the human being is the most sensitive instrument on the planet.
	Little, slight variations in any number of factors can be sensed by the human body in a way that's unduplicated anywhere else by man, at least at this point.
	But when you think about, then, the idea that energy can interact with the body in profound ways, It shouldn't be so unusual, even low amounts of energy.
	It's the amount of how that energy interrelates with the body.
	A good example, and we use it often, is this flickering effect of light energy from something like a television set, like in Japan, causing epileptic seizures in hundreds of kids.
	Yes.
	And it was very low energy densities.
	It wasn't so much the amount of energy.
	And it was an accident, too.
	Right.
	It was the frequency, the pulse rate.
	That created an interaction with the human brain that caused that epileptic seizure.
	And this same low-level energy, these windows of energy that can create changes in the human being at a cellular level, at a chemical level, the same type of concept can be applied to hardware and environmental systems.
	Here, let me ask you this question.
	Could one of these weapons or technologies conceivably cause apathy. We're talking about all kinds of emotions.
	Sure. Apathy, would that be one of them? Sure.
	Essentially, when you're lethargic and you're apathetic and you just don't really give a damn about much, that wouldn't
	be too hard?
	No, in fact, you know, when you look at, if you look at the, if you study the brain and the activity of the brain in
	its various emotional states and then take a signal and drive it in from an external source to recreate or to
	cause what's called brain entrainment, the brain to lock on that signal.
	So the predominant brain activity in the human beings exposed to that signal are the same as they would be if they were in that emotional state essentially places you there.
	Well then, let me ask you this.
	Has anybody thought about or ever correlated the timing of harp activity with political events?
	Suppose, for example, That you were running for president.
	This is just a what-if.
	And you would benefit by an apathetic nation of voters.
	In other words, if you produced enough apathy, why more of the other guy's voters would stay home than yours?
	Would you do it?
	Well, according to Zbigniew Brzezinski, who is certainly someone to listen to in his own writings, he says, yeah, they'll use it if they have the capability to influence political outcomes for the political end.
	It doesn't matter who's in power.
	If they think they can get away with it, they'd probably try it.
	You know, that's... I mean, even for me to say that, I mean, I come from a political background, as you said in the interview.
	I know you do, yes.
	And, you know, when I look back on sort of my own family's history and the people I've met in my lifetime, Would it be beyond some of these folks to do that?
	The answer is absolutely not.
	Others, would they fight it with every ounce of strength they have in their bones?
	Absolutely.
	But they tend to be in the minority at this particular time.
	But you can't fight what you don't know about.
	Exactly right.
	And when you think about all of these things that we're talking about, I mean, we've been able to deduce from the literature.
	We go through thousands of documents to put together our material.
	I mean, when we did Earth Rising the Revolution, it was 4,000 documents reduced to 650 that we quoted.
	And getting that information and putting it together in a coherent way is a big part of what we do.
	But when you look at political leaders, for instance, in the Air Force budget, 40% of their budget is black funded.
	This is of the equipment side of the Air Force budget.
	That's billions and billions and billions of dollars.
	But the Congress doesn't know what they're handing the money out.
	Only a very small number in the Congress get to know that, and you have to hope to God that they have enough intelligence on the intelligence committees to ask the right questions, and I can guarantee you, they don't.
	Jeff in Palmdale, California asks, how complex are these technologies to build?
	In other words, could the private or commercial sector ever develop them and utilize them to influence government bodies?
	In other words, go the other way around.
	If they're not that complex, and they can be, but if the Chinese can do it, why couldn't somebody in a private lab somewhere do it?
	They are doing it.
	In fact, we took into the European Parliament on February 5th, 1998, a working model of an infrasound device, a device described very accurately in this Chinese press report that we mentioned earlier.
	This infrasound device, when we demonstrated it to the European Parliament, It was so compelling that when they passed the final resolution dealing with disarmament issues, they added a clause dealing with the initiation of treaty dialogue to ban any electromagnetic weapon or any weapon that could be developed that would influence human behavior and human thinking.
	Oh, there's a treaty we're going to rush over and sign, I'm sure.
	Well, the whole idea that to get a political body to get to the point of recognizing that technology exists, and even putting that in a formal document is a huge step That no political body to our knowledge has ever taken before.
	It's a big step, but getting, say, the U.S.
	to sign that is near an impossibility.
	Hold on, Doctor.
	We'll be right back.
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	know you don't come easy You don't have to shout or plead the vows You can even play
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	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 2nd, 2001.
	Would governments try to control the mind of people?
	Well, let's just think about that a little bit.
	Wasn't there that little experiment with LSD?
	Didn't they give service people LSD to see what would happen?
	That's pretty brutal stuff.
	If you could sit back and just cleanly push a button and control people at a distance without physically ever getting anywhere near them, would the people who gave the LSD push the button?
	Ask yourself that question.
	Dr. Bagot will be right back.
	Hey, Doctor, I've got an interesting message from Bill in Anchorage, Alaska, who writes,
	Art, when my cabin shakes, like an earthquake, It usually means 100 mile per hour gusts getting hammered right here now.
	Already heard at least four trees snap.
	Are you having bad weather up there?
	Yeah, we're getting some pretty good wind whipping through here.
	Where I am, it's been kind of coming and going throughout the evening, yeah.
	So those kind of winds, do you think?
	I mean, this guy's saying trees are falling over.
	Well, we have in south central Alaska a huge spruce beetle kill, so we have a lot of standing deadwood.
	And with the winds that are going right now, that's probably Pretty accurate, especially up against the mountains with the wind velocities.
	Holy mackerel!
	So, yeah, that's happening.
	As we're talking about weather, we're having a pretty good time.
	You might have mentioned it.
	Alright, first time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Dr. Begich.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Mark from Montreal.
	Montreal, yes sir.
	I'm going to go with the tenor of your program.
	And suggest that maybe some of these experiments may be opening other dimensional holes.
	And is there any evidence, any scientific theory, any abnormalities that the doctor has noticed?
	And also, do the Van Allen radiation belts?
	There's kind of two different questions.
	The first one I don't really feel like I can answer.
	I don't really know that.
	You know, that whole area is kind of out of my realm.
	The idea of affecting the Van Allen belts is sort of a different question.
	I mean, what we're talking about and what we've been talking about is the idea of affecting environmental systems.
	The Van Allen belts have been impacted by thermonuclear detonations, for instance, in the upper atmosphere in the past.
	You know, the idea that we sort of experiment and then sort of look and see what the result is and determine whether or not it might have been damaging over time.
	This is a very dangerous approach, and this is the same approach we're taking with the new systems that are being deployed, only these are much more precision.
	For instance, that whole concept of electromagnetic pulse that we've talked about on and off through the evening, that was first discovered with a thermal nuclear detonation in the South Pacific.
	It knocked out power in Hawaii for several hours, and it sort of dawned on everyone then, well, wow, wouldn't this be powerful, detonate this above the United States, Soviet Union, you knock out all their sensor electronics, and that's the end of them.
	Well, then they started thinking, well, how else could we create this without the side effect of radioactive fallout, which sort of messes up the whole deal.
	Because then you've got a real clean killer.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And now they go, okay, now how do we take energy out of the environment and use it in a weapons application?
	And if you go back to HAARP again for a moment, When Senator Stevens, now Chairman of Appropriations, first went to the floor of the Senate to get money for the Hart Project, his idea, and he said it was like something out of Jules Verne, the idea of being able to shunt energy down from the ionosphere and introduce that into the power grid as a source of electrical energy.
	That's where this project started in Senator Stevens' mind when the first $30 million appropriation was given back in 1993.
	And, you know, where we've come, you know, since then, ...is with a lot more understanding about ionospheric processes, and now those understandings are leading to exactly what was talked about in 1994, the use of a new weapons-missile defense system.
	Listen, I want to take a second out, and I want to allow you to plug your books.
	You've got the original, of course, Hearts Don't Play This... Angels Don't Play This Harp, rather, and then Earth Rising Revolution is your new one, right?
	Right, right.
	And it's probably the most in-depth in terms of all of these issues we've talked about today.
	Is it all new, or is it sort of an update as you have learned more?
	It is really a new book.
	We cover HAARP for maybe 30 or 40 pages, and the rest of this is almost a 300-page title.
	The rest of it is on other technologies that people will find quite interesting, many of which we've touched on tonight.
	But Earth Rising is probably the most complete work of new technologies and the most well footnoted.
	Talk right into that phone.
	Okay, so Earth Rising is the new one, Earth Rising Revolution.
	It's available on my website.
	We have a link to you right now.
	How else do they get the book?
	Bookstores?
	There are bookstores, certainly Amazon.com, and I can give a toll-free number, which is
	888-690-1277.
	And for out-of-the-country callers, it's 988-690-1277.
	Alright, but again, in-country, 888, if you haven't heard that in a while, 888-690-1277, 888-690-1277, Earth Rising, The Revolution, how much is that book?
	With shipping in the United States, it's $21.
	in country. 888-690-1277. 888-690-1277. Earth Rising, The Revolution. How much is that book?
	With shipping in the United States, it's $21.
	21 bucks. And it covers these new technologies and sort of takes off where Harp left off.
	Absolutely.
	In fact, it has a chapter dedicated to the issue of mind control technologies.
	There's over a hundred sources referenced there.
	It has a section on privacy, which is extensively referenced, including biometrics, the kinds of things that we saw being a little bit of experimentation in terms of the Super Bowl, using the images of all these people matched against one another.
	Yeah, I was there.
	Yeah, I was in Tampa.
	I was at the Super Bowl.
	I felt so violated.
	Well, you know, this whole concept, you know, we disclosed that this would be coming into the mainstream in the United States when we released Earth Rising in the very end of 1999.
	And in Europe, and particularly Great Britain, the level of surveillance of civilian populations is just unbelievable.
	I heard that and I almost needed a counselor.
	You know, and you've got now in the U.S., I mean, the idea that this is happening in the United States, the presumption of innocence is sort of out the window with the presumption of isolate everyone as guilty.
	And the thing that's disturbing me more than anything is sort of the underlying, the undercurrent in much of the military writing that really speaks to the idea that an adversary of American policy somehow is a villain in the United States, and to oppose American policy through uh... the means that we have at our disposal within the
	united states so fundamental to who we are the idea that anyone would
	he that is threatening uh... should be disturbing i mean we should have the right
	to say and in an open debate
	of our opinions on a number of these topics may we just assume that we didn't
	and and and that and that level of arrogance i think speaks volumes to where
	the risk is also in the tech well i think there's a new signal out there
	that's saying use oil
	Don't think about other stuff.
	Use oil.
	Hello?
	Yes, hello?
	Oh, sorry about that.
	I didn't think I was on.
	I was waiting there.
	Hi, this is Robert from Los Angeles.
	Hi, Nick.
	I really appreciate what you've done, and I've worked in defense, and you're pretty much right on target.
	You realize that, right?
	Caller, before you continue, are you on a speakerphone?
	Um, no.
	No, there's a tiny echo, I sense.
	Is it better now?
	Um, what kind of phone are you on?
	A cellular?
	Yeah, I can... Ah, figures.
	Well, it's better.
	How's that?
	Oh, that's so much better.
	Don't ever use that other thing.
	That's like Chinese torture.
	And anyway, you were saying?
	Yes, I've worked in defense, and I'm not, I wouldn't thwart any secrecy, but being around the fence, you talk about a lot of interesting things.
	I've actually witnessed and watched one of those in Nevada, one of those plasma tests.
	Oh?
	And it was really early in the morning, I was with a friend, and we saw this white orb bobbing up and down.
	And we just, it just didn't look, it really looked ridiculous.
	It was about, we were pretty close to it, it was about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle, and it was a circular, round, white orb.
	Where were you in Nevada?
	We were basically from Los Angeles to Vegas.
	We were at, I don't know exactly where, near XYYZ Road out there somewhere.
	Zizzix?
	Zizzix Road?
	Yeah, but an opposite side.
	Yeah, I know where you were.
	We thought, yeah, there was a bunch of semis out there.
	We could see in the distance there's semis out there, and they're using that as, I guess, their science lab.
	Well, if you were going to experiment in America, where would you do it?
	Obviously, you would do it out in the middle of nowhere.
	You'd do it out in the desert.
	Basically, you'd do it in my backyard.
	That's why we see so much stuff out here.
	You know, actually, that is why a lot of these projects are located in remote areas.
	I mean, that's why HAARP was located, in large part, for why it's located where it is.
	It could have been more central.
	It could have been in a much different place.
	It could have been in Philadelphia, but no.
	Well, you need the northern latitudes, but nonetheless, it's so far removed from the mainstream that it was thought to be... Why do you need the northern latitudes, Doctor?
	Well, it's where the magnetic lines of force intersect the planet, and one of the objectives is the closer you are to that, the more easy it is to influence with less power.
	In other words, to get those higher distances and to transfer that energy Through the atmosphere, you want to be as close to the magnetic lines of force as you can be, and you also have to have available large amounts of energy.
	Alaska tends to have both, so we're ideally suited.
	And the idea of deploying a weapon system on U.S.
	soil versus in orbit in a satellite-based system is certainly more desirable, and Alaska has been pegged for the new missile defense system, which actually, its construction will violate the ABM Treaty.
	Well, I saw the other day we had a successful missile test and they blew something out of the air.
	Right.
	Is that all kind of... if what you're saying is true about these weapons, ultimately, then what are we doing working on these kinetic things?
	These are, um, you know, these, like, the idea of them advancing, I think that's really the cover story.
	Certainly they're going to probably even build it and deploy it, but the real systems that are going to work are not going to be Um, ground-to-air missiles, and the number of misses in the sequence of tests, and one of the leading scientists on that project abandoned it, and it was revealed in the U.S.
	media that this woman abandoned it because they were manipulating the test so that they couldn't miss.
	And, you know, I got an interesting piece of material that was sent to me on missile defense, because it is being considered here, and it's entitled, uh, NN, National Missile Defense Core Messages, and this is what all of the, um, People working in procurement and various aspects of the program here in Alaska are being told to stay.
	It's essentially their talking points or their key messages that they want out there.
	And when you look at how this is being postured and what's being considered, this is an event that is violating a treaty that has stabilized world peace for the last over 20 years.
	And the ABM Treaty unilaterally being abandoned by this administration is going to create all kinds of problems, which have already started to reveal themselves.
	And we were saying this long ago, but it's this whole perception management, the way they script the messages, no one's free to really say what's on their mind.
	They can only say what's handed them in script form.
	That's a pretty sad state of affairs.
	Pretty sad, that's right.
	Alright, here's to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich, hello.
	Hello, this is Marie from Hampton Roads by way of WNIS.
	My question is, what percentage of the reported cases of panic disorders in America, would you suspect could be attributed to electromagnetic pulsing, and could such pulsing permanently render people subject to having anxiety disorders that are irreversible?
	Oh my, good question.
	That's an interesting question.
	Actually, there's a paper that was, it's a paper that was contracted by a number of Ukrainian and Russian scientists And it was published in 2001 by the Cellular Phone Task Force, and it's called The Influence of High-Frequency Electromagnetic Radiation at Non-Thermal Intensities on the Human Body.
	And that's a mouthful, but the nut of it is, they really looked at low levels, in terms of intensity of energy, at the high frequency ranges and the effect on the human body.
	And what's revealed in this is the idea that The body remembers certain electromagnetic fields in a way that when they come back again the second time or the third time, it reinforces and takes a weaker and weaker signal to create the same.
	So easier to do each time.
	Right.
	So her question was, what percentage of current attacks might be, of course, there's no way to really answer that.
	There's no way to tell the answer to that.
	But her second question was, could it be a permanent effect eventually?
	And the answer to that is yes.
	In fact, the idea that you permanently invade someone's psyche, for instance, with these kinds of technologies, could you drive them crazy?
	And the answer is absolutely yes.
	In fact, you had mentioned the idea of chemicals.
	What we found, and that was from the MKUltra and the projects surrounding the CIA's work.
	Right, well if they would do that, the physical we're going to take you and either not tell you what we're giving you or we're going to force you to take this and see what happens.
	If they do that, then would they push a button at a distance?
	Heck yeah!
	Absolutely.
	In fact, we found through Freedom of Information Act requests documents from the procurement sections of the CIA during that time.
	And they were actually also testing electromagnetic weapons technologies or technologies.
	And we've been found patents going back in the 60s and a number of other things.
	But the fact is, the MKUltra program and the program surrounding it involved more than chemicals.
	They were also looking at these more exotic systems.
	People remember most of the documents were shredded by Gottlieb and others at the CIA, but the ones that weren't shredded were in the accounting department.
	What did they buy and what was that equipment?
	Yep.
	And some of that was eventually extracted.
	I'm sure.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Begich.
	Hello.
	Oh, yes.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Yell at us.
	You're not too loud.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Is this better?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	For Dr. Begich, something you... I live in Orange County, California, and something you said reminded me of an aberration I saw a few weeks ago in the sky almost directly above, just before dark.
	It looked like heat lightning, only there wasn't a cloud in the sky, and that made it so eerie.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, I don't know what that might be.
	You know, one of the things that needs to be kept in mind as well is there's a lot of things being observed, and drawing conclusions or quick conclusions, a lot of people are doing that, and I think we can sort of back off a little bit, wait a little bit, and chances are paper shows up eventually that proves what many of these things are.
	Splashes, and what we were talking about earlier, the space shuttle visual image of that, a ball of energy sort of leaving the planet, and then later finding a patent that says, hey, that's exactly what you'd expect to see.
	Then you start to see how these things link together, and I think over time we'll see how many of these unusual observations link together.
	I mean, just a few years ago, there were some observations above storm clouds.
	Where energy discharged up into the ionosphere, sprites.
	Sprites, yes.
	Yeah, and before then, nobody even knew they existed.
	And all of a sudden, here's this new phenomenon, this electromagnetic phenomenon.
	We don't even know what role it necessarily plays in weather generation, or communications, or anything else for that matter.
	And that's something we're going to probably learn.
	Probably wouldn't be that hard to produce sprites, would it?
	No, actually, you know, that whole idea of shooting energy up into the ionosphere and at least getting the same energy densities as might be created from sprites, I think that's possible today.
	You know, there's another technology that's an ionospheric mirror technology using sort of a laser for creating the same effect in the ionosphere as HAARP can create.
	So what we're finding is for this proliferation of other ways to create the same kind of effect Much in the same way as creating, say, a psychological effect in the human being can be stimulated by any number of carriers carrying the right signal.
	The same is being found out about natural systems.
	In other words, any number of ways can be developed for manipulating environmental systems.
	Well, if there was, Doctor, if there was experimentation going on, wouldn't we see it reflected first in things like, I don't know, road rage, for example?
	uh... people who just uh...
	as the and i understand that it's frustrating driving out on the highways
	but all of a sudden work we have this epidemic of of road rage where people are screaming yelling
	uh... tossing on-kind signals at each other and sometimes bullets
	well you know i think there's uh... i think if there were independent
	monitoring of some of these facilities and some of these events
	you could refer to draw some correlations and this is where uh... where i think there's a big gap and maybe what the
	and you could refer to draw some correlations and this is where
	where i think there's a big gap and maybe what the earlier caller was really
	earlier caller was really alluding to is what can we see happen that creates
	alluding to is what can we see happen that creates international
	monitoring that we can have some level of confidence exactly going on exactly
	and that's where the answers are going to lie but ultimately behind all of this
	is a bigger question and that question deals with the whole secrecy syndrome
	that corporations and government have colluded over the last forty years to deny the public access to
	knowledge in in at a time when we really need this knowledge because
	science and technology determines
	what countries are strong thereby which governments are strong and it's incumbent
	upon all of us to at least have
	a general understanding like we're having tonight about what these things can do
	and and then the opportunities to debate those and sort of determine you know
	that's what i want to set up doctor is a debate And again, you're up for it, right?
	Absolutely.
	I'm going to work at setting that up, Doctor.
	We're out of time, but I want to say again, your book, Earth Rising, The Revolution, Is available right now.
	But can you still get copies, by the way, of Angels Don't Play This Harp?
	Absolutely.
	We still have that available and in print.
	Same telephone number?
	Absolutely.
	Alright, so that's 888-690-1277.
	It'd be a good thing for you to read up on, folks.
	That's 888-690-1277.
	six nine zero one two seven seven a big good thing for you to read up on folks
	that's eight eight eight six nine zero
	one two seven seven uh... doctor baggage as always
	uh... thank you my friend and i guess you know i guess you better duck up
	It sounds like the winds, 100 mile an hour winds, oh my.
	Yeah, it's getting a little intense.
	Take it easy.
	Get under a bed or something.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Thank you, and God bless.
	Take care.
	That's Dr. Nick Begich.
	Big winds in Alaska right now.
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	Open lines directly ahead, so who knows what we're gonna run into.
	Maybe the shadow people.
	Listen, Carmine in Milwaukee, Wisconsin says, listen to this now, there's a lot of hot air in Nevada as well.
	There's no way our government has a massive antenna array in Alaska.
	You ever hear of airplanes?
	Everyone would see it and report it.
	Duh!
	That's what Carmine says.
	Carmine, if you have a computer, go to my website and go click on the... on the HAARP website.
	Just below the name of Dr. Nick Begich.
	And Carmine, right there you'll see the gigantic antenna site that you said couldn't possibly exist.
	There it is.
	A beautiful photograph of it, Carmine.
	D'oh!
	We were talking about behavior.
	I told you I was holding this story, and so you're a late audience.
	I guess maybe you can take it.
	Maybe you can't.
	A 12-year-old boy is in custody right now for what some are saying, calling the worst case of animal abuse they've ever seen.
	The PetSmart at Tropicana and Eastern, that's in Las Vegas, was the scene of a horrible crime.
	A young boy apparently hid in the store until after hours, and then proceeded to kill and maim All kinds of the store's animals.
	He crushed rats to death.
	He killed and tortured birds.
	He even switched fighter fish to other tanks to watch those kill.
	The Metropolitan Police Department says it's one of the worst cases it's ever investigated.
	Police say the 12-year-old boy managed to hide from store employees by crawling between and behind some dog beds once the store was closed and the employees were gone.
	He crawled out and began the killing spree.
	What godforsaken kind of behavior is that?
	When children walk into schools and start shooting, what kind of behavior is that?
	You say it's not new?
	Yes, it is.
	It is, and it's relatively new.
	So anyway, look, this hour, whatever you want to talk about is fair game.
	We've got a plane down in China.
	We're threatening.
	They're threatening.
	They're probably taking pictures and doing what they can do, which is what we would do if we had one of theirs.
	Cloning.
	I did mention that in the first hour.
	A bunch of cloned animals are beginning to die early.
	They're just up and dying.
	Their immune systems belly up and then their belly up.
	And they're getting ready to clone a human being.
	What do you think?
	Anyway, it's up to you.
	Anything you want to talk about is now fair game.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi, Art.
	This is Kevin from Helena, Montana.
	Hi, Kevin.
	Extinguish your radio for us.
	That's what I'm doing right now.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I only get to listen to you at the winter time when I'm working at Night Shift, and I remember a couple years ago, You had a couple guys call in and they said they shot a Bigfoot?
	Yep.
	I think it was an Oregon?
	That's correct.
	And then I went back in summer, or on daytime, and I never heard anything about it.
	Well, the answer to the end of the thing is that these guys did indeed say they killed a Bigfoot.
	Right.
	They were prepared, as a matter of fact, to lead me to the body.
	They were going to dig up the body.
	It was two of them.
	I remember that.
	But the problem is that the audience, during the course of the program, I have one favor to ask.
	My wife is sitting here.
	After I get off the phone here, could you play her that Bigfoot sound that you have?
	You want to hear that?
	Oh yeah, I want her to hear that.
	charged with murder and so they disappeared pronto. Did they? Yeah. Okay, I have one favor
	to ask my wife is sitting here. After I get off the phone here, could you play that big
	foot sound that you have? You want to hear that? Oh, yeah.
	I want her to hear that. It's just an eerie feeling or eerie sound. She thinks I'm goofy
	because I listen to you.
	I run a loader at night on a crusher.
	Are you goofy?
	At times.
	Are you?
	At times I am, but I really enjoy your show.
	I'll tell you what.
	I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
	You wouldn't say a bad word on the radio, would you?
	Oh, no.
	All right.
	Have your wife turn the radio up.
	Turn the radio up?
	Yep.
	Turn it up now.
	Rarely do I ever tell a caller to do that.
	Okay.
	Right now.
	All right, here we go.
	here it comes well uh... there you have it
	Now, I guess I've waited just a few more seconds and As soon as it's done, why, have her turn the radio back down again.
	Turn it down?
	I turned it down.
	Put your wife on the phone.
	Okay, hold on.
	Hello?
	Now, if you were to hear that in the woods, and believe me, this is authenticated as the sound of a Bigfoot recorded in the woods, what do you think?
	Well, I'd probably be poopin' bricks.
	Poopin' bricks?
	I appreciate that.
	Put your husband back on.
	Blooping Bricks is what she said.
	Yeah, right.
	And now we go camping a lot up here in Montana.
	Well, at least you used to, huh?
	Yeah, no, we still will.
	Now I'm just telling you, if you hear that sound, you be sure to wake me up.
	I appreciate the call.
	Thank you.
	Alright, thank you.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Carol in Sacramento.
	Hi, Carol.
	I'm so sorry.
	Every time you say something about that kid, The 12-year-old that had to do it about the animal?
	I have to turn you off.
	I can't even hear it.
	I know.
	That's why I held it until late in the show, so not too many people would turn it off.
	But it's such an example of behavior.
	But yes, I do believe they are the Manchurian Candidate.
	Well, you hit a tone or something.
	What now?
	The Manchurian Candidate?
	No.
	Oh, the Manchurian Candidate.
	I think they're practicing on a lot of young kids, just to see what they'll do.
	Isn't that the most horrible thing?
	If true, it is the most horrible thing, yes, thank you.
	The Manchurian Candidate Syndrome.
	Well, maybe, certainly you could conclude that if there was experimentation going on, that the young, most impressionable minds would be the first affected.
	Isn't that true of everything?
	Not in the older folks?
	Diseases come along and who does it get?
	It always gets the young people and the old people first, right?
	They are the first affected.
	Those with the either undeveloped immune systems or the slightly worn-out immune systems, they are the first to go, right?
	Right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Rick down here on Cape Cod.
	Cape Cod.
	Yes.
	All right, Rick.
	Yes.
	Sorry I missed talking to the doctor there, but we have this paypaw radar, paypaws.
	There's three of them in the country, one in Sacramento, One in Bangor and one here on the Cape.
	The one on the Cape can reserve aircraft in Europe.
	Now what's weird, I've been on the Cape most of my life and the weather patterns have really shifted and there's like a 30 degree spread where We don't get any weather here on the Cape.
	We get it, you know, on the island south of us.
	Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket.
	Right.
	And Boston gets hit.
	Right.
	And we get nothing.
	Well, there are changes, sir.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's no question about it.
	It's obvious our weather is changing.
	Everybody's noticed.
	Yeah.
	Except Matt Lauer.
	Matt Lauer hasn't noticed, but everybody else.
	Yeah.
	And then we've had a tremendous amount of aircraft activity Including the EP-3.
	I was a former aerospace engineer.
	But the EP-3, we've had C-5s, we've had S-3As that are sub-killers, flying up and down the coast all night long.
	Now I wonder what they're up to.
	Well, they're having fun.
	Having fun.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.
	Yeah, you take care too.
	Having fun.
	Yeah, modern-day fun.
	It just may not be the way it used to be, you know?
	Don't forget our international line open.
	Give it a try out there, no matter where you are in the world, and whatever you want to say.
	800-893-0903.
	We want you to test our... In fact, go to my website, and look up the phone numbers for international access, and try them, and then try the 800-893-0903 thing, and see if you can get through.
	We're really experimenting with this.
	And we're in a continuous dialogue with a phone company, too.
	Once to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi there.
	This is Dave over in Las Vegas.
	Hello, Dave.
	How's Vegas?
	Oh, very good.
	It's nice and beautiful today, as I'm sure you saw.
	A little windy.
	Oh, yeah, but I can live with the wind.
	But the problem is, you know, I just can't live with these kids going out there and creating mayhem and killing the animals like that.
	You know, I'm sure this one, since it happened in Las Vegas, is probably hitting you guys pretty hard.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you know, back in the olden days, we were taught sportsmanship.
	You don't shoot an animal unless he has a fair chance to get away.
	Now, going into a pet store and killing little animals in a cage that are defenseless like that, it just shows a lack of morality.
	And maybe even more.
	Maybe it's like the cloning that's going on.
	You find that the animals are starting to get all these horrible diseases and die and all these things like that.
	Maybe our genetic code is breaking down some way.
	And it's like this kid that goes and kills the animals.
	I mean, they wouldn't do that back in the 1880s.
	They had more respect for life.
	They didn't do that back in the 50s.
	I mean, there were isolated cases of Things that happen.
	But look at the... I mean, go to the school shootings.
	Those didn't happen as late as the 40s and 50s.
	It never happened.
	Now it happens all the time.
	What the hell's changed?
	That's right.
	Maybe our genetic code is breaking down and we're devolving.
	Maybe it is.
	You know, they said that's why the grays were abducting us.
	Because their genetic code was breaking down.
	So maybe that happens to every society after a while.
	Perhaps.
	Maybe we'll have to go out and find a new genetic strain to boost ours up.
	Because I'm telling you, this is getting to the point Where every day you turn on the TV, you find a school shooting, you find some kid throwing another kid off a building.
	Some new horror.
	Yeah.
	Some new horror, exactly.
	I agree with you.
	All right, thank you.
	I don't know about our genetic code changing, but maybe it's frazzling at the ends.
	Who knows?
	I just know something has certainly radically changed.
	I had a quote earlier in the show.
	I wonder what I did with it.
	I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the shadow people, by the way.
	Like, what do you do?
	Pick up the phone book?
	Shadow... Shadow... People... Shadow People Expert.
	Here we go.
	There's the number.
	I mean, there's no such thing.
	I got thousands of emails about that.
	What am I gonna do about that?
	Who is the expert?
	Who do you talk to about that?
	Anyway... Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Oh, good morning to you, Art.
	Uh, turn your radio off, please.
	I am turning it off right now.
	Thank you.
	Okay, this is Chris over in Hawaii calling from KVHK, I mean KHVH, I'm sorry.
	KHVH is the one.
	That's right.
	And I've got several items for you tonight.
	I wanted to report to you about Friday night you were asking people from south of the southern latitudes or if there was any glow in the sky.
	That's right.
	Definitely that night there certainly was.
	You saw it out there in Hawaii?
	That's right.
	Wow!
	I know that I got email from the Virgin Islands, I got it from Puerto Rico saying they saw it there, which was astounding, but Hawaii?
	Well, it was more of a glow in the northern part of the sky.
	I wasn't seeing northern lights or anything, but it was definitely... No, no, no, those are northern lights.
	What you weren't seeing were the shooters, you know, The movers, but if you saw a glow, you were seeing Northern Lights, believe me.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, well, it was definitely glowing.
	Now, the other thing I wanted to tell you about was my own experience with a shadow person.
	What am I going to do?
	Before I get into that, there's something I want to say to you personally.
	Sure.
	And that is, you can talk a lot about leadership, okay?
	Yes.
	I heard you mention the other night that you're a libertarian.
	Yes.
	Well, I am too, and I really feel strongly that it's probably Uh, a reasonable alternative to the parties that be.
	Now, Harry Brown, a good fellow though he may be, uh, may not have what it takes to be the president.
	I nominate you to be a candidate for president if you so choose.
	No, no, no.
	I won't serve.
	I'm telling you, you got the savvy, you got the intelligence, you got the bully platform.
	Well, you want to really hear something perhaps sad.
	What's that?
	I think I can do more from here.
	Well, Ronald Reagan was a great communicator and he started out in radio.
	Okay.
	I know.
	And can you imagine a ticket that goes like this?
	Art Bell for President with Richard Hoagland as Vice President, and if you won, you could put Richard Hoagland in charge of NASA.
	What irony that would be.
	I mean, that's a nice... You would almost be worth it just for that.
	Oh, absolutely.
	To see Richard march into NASA, to head it up, to see people dropping dead in the halls.
	Anyways, sir, you called for an obvious other reason.
	Well, that's it.
	The shadow person.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	Okay, now I have, throughout my life, I've caught those glimpses here and there.
	I really don't, you know, it's something you keep to yourself, because you go, hmm, well, I must be imagining things, or whatever.
	I know, everybody kept it to themselves until I opened it up, and now I don't know how to stop it, and I don't know how to address it, and where do I get an expert?
	Well, here's one thing I would say.
	When I was much younger, I used to take a lot of psychedelics.
	I've never seen a shadow person under the influence of LSD or psilocybin or mescaline.
	Nothing like that.
	However, I did take what was called the witch's drug, Belladonna, one time.
	time, and I saw a whole world of shadow people, and I'm wondering if it was an altered state
	in which, you know, a very specific altered state.
	Well, of course, you know what people would say, but I would be quick to say, sure, it's possible.
	Maybe it opens the door for that sort of thing.
	And maybe you were just having utter delusions, you know, for taking the drug.
	Who knows?
	It could be, it could be either way.
	I still, I'm really troubled.
	I've had, I'm telling you, I've had thousands of emails now on this, and I don't know what to do about it, but I've got to do something.
	On the international line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Where are you, please?
	I'm in Hong Kong.
	My name is Ben.
	How are you doing, Art?
	I'm doing all right.
	What are you doing in Hong Kong?
	I've been teaching here for about 22 years.
	Oh, that's right.
	You called one time before.
	If I did, it would have been from Eugene, Oregon.
	I've been listening to you since 1996 when I was on a teaching sabbatical in Oregon.
	How hard is it to get the internet in Hong Kong to be able to listen to this?
	Oh, easy.
	I use RealPlayer.
	I've got you, you know, from that on the web.
	Tune in on my Macintosh.
	Very simple.
	I'm about to leave the office.
	Oh, I see.
	It's, what, afternoon there or something?
	It's about 5.25pm.
	I'm just about winding up and I was listening and you said you'd like to hear from an international call.
	This is experimental.
	It's very easy to call you from here.
	How did you do it?
	The access on AT&T is dial 800-961-111 and then there's a computer message to dial in the number you want.
	And I dialed your number and didn't even get an operator coming in.
	Usually there's an operator coming in asking is this a collect call or not.
	And with an 800 number, usually you can't even get through, because you can't do that correct.
	Well, that's because we have a special deal.
	We have the first international 800 toll-free line in the country, right here.
	Did you get those instructions from my website?
	No, I've used AT&T before, so I knew how to dial, although I don't dial 800 numbers in the States with that, but I have dialed it occasionally, but very rarely.
	I usually use something else, which is a lot cheaper.
	Well, listen, while I have you, I really want to ask, as you know, we're really going round and round with China right now, over this airplane that's down on the island.
	Yeah, there was a demonstration here in Hong Kong at the U.S.
	Consulate about that yesterday.
	Really?
	Yeah, Hong Kong people don't normally demonstrate against the United States, but there were about 70 or 80, I think, that were demonstrating at the Consulate against the United States.
	Is it generally thought there that the U.S.
	plane was in fact violating Chinese airspace?
	Well, most people here aren't talking about this, because there's something else about China that's got them a lot more concerned, which is the disappearance of mainland, or actually, well they're now Chinese scholars who are of mainland origin, have been disappearing there.
	People have been going from Hong Kong, Not even on professional business, necessarily.
	And in the last week and a half, it's been revealed that people have been seized as far back as August.
	Oh, my.
	Listen, my company's paying for this, and they have infinite amounts of money, so can you afford to hold on through the break?
	Sure.
	Okay, then.
	Then stay right where you are.
	Just kidding, boss.
	From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 2nd, 2001.
	This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AM concert.
	The concert is being recorded and will be available on the AMC website.
	The concert will be recorded on the AMC website.
	The people of the town are strange And the town is where they came
	Well, you're talkin' about the town of Rhin-O-Kron Well, Rhin-O-Kron
	Well, the people in the streets of New York, they are drunk They are the talk of the town
	And they got the streets to fly And they get it right when the sun goes on and out
	They say that the fathers are sane They are Mr. Perkins again
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 2nd, 2001.
	This is my bumper music for my China caller, China Grove.
	Just for him.
	Very much.
	I like the Doobie Brothers.
	I like your choice of music in general.
	Oh, well, thank you very much.
	And since you're calling from China and you said something so dramatic, I wanted to let you follow up on that.
	What's this about people disappearing, please?
	Well, since last August, it's been revealed that there are at least three that we know of.
	Three scholars.
	One of them was based in the United States.
	She was in China with her family, and they detained them.
	They let the husband and child leave, but I believe she's still there.
	Her name's Gao Yan.
	And then there are two others.
	One of them was based here at City University.
	We have about seven of these tertiary institutions.
	And, uh, he went to visit a friend just across the border in Shenzhen one night, and, uh, they lost track of him.
	And it turned out he was arrested.
	Gee, Shenzhen is supposed to be the safe place there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's the one that's got more capitalism, that's for sure.
	I guess the political control remains as it is further up in China.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then there's the third guy.
	Who, uh, was actually teaching in Guangdong, in, uh, Zhongshan University.
	He, uh, his family is here in Hong Kong.
	And, uh, he, I believe, I'm not sure if he had Hong Kong residents or U.S.
	residents, but his family is here.
	And then he also, it turned out, he was seized, and he, I believe in his case, it was as far back as last August.
	The woman I mentioned, that was a few weeks ago, and the, uh, The guy from City University who went to Shenzhen, that was also very recently.
	Does anybody have any idea about motive?
	In other words, why were these people seized and what happened to them?
	We're all speculating.
	The research that these people were doing, well the one from City University, he was said to be very non-controversial, very non-political.
	The one Who was in Jongshan is speculated.
	He thought that his work was controversial.
	He was doing some research on China's support for North Korea during the Korean War and also Chinese involvement in Southeast Asia.
	That would do it.
	My impression, well, I don't really think that's so... Well, you might not.
	Well, I've got a colleague who I think is much more controversial, and he went to Beijing over Christmas to visit family, and he came back with no problem.
	Are you at all concerned about... I mean, after all, even though it's Hong Kong, it's already reverted, and are you at all worried about saying the things you're saying right now on an international phone line when you and I both know they're monitored?
	I've been thinking about these things for many years, but I also think it'd be a betrayal of self to not do that.
	I've been teaching courses in political philosophy for 20 years, and I deal with issues like anarchism, libertarian thought, critical views of Marxism.
	I'm not about to suddenly stop after I've been doing this for 20 years, and I've got a book on China's nuclear weapons program, which I put out 10 years ago.
	I'm not.
	I've dealt with this a long time.
	Well, I really, really appreciate your call.
	And number one, I hope you'll call again.
	Number two, I hope you'll keep me apprised of what's going on with this story.
	Because I have a lot of friends who are about to make trips into China.
	Are they Chinese, or these are non-Chinese people?
	These are non-Chinese people.
	Well, as I said, these three, they're Chinese, and not only are they Chinese, but they're of mainland origin.
	Gotcha.
	They're not of Hong Kong origin.
	They're people who were born in the mainland.
	Well, I fully understand, but we have 24 airmen right now that are beaten, as you know.
	Alright, listen, thank you very, very much, and call again.
	I will.
	All right.
	Take care.
	All the way from Hong Kong, China.
	We'll be right back.
	All right.
	Let's once again give out that international number.
	We just snagged Hong Kong, so give it a shot.
	You've got to learn how to do it.
	Our website will give you some information, or you can ask the AT&T operator.
	The 800 toll-free line from anywhere in the world Is 800-893-0903.
	800-893-0903.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, Art.
	Hello.
	Well, about these shadow people.
	I'm a shadow person hunter.
	You're a shadow person hunter?
	Yeah, well, I don't really call them a shadow people.
	I call them the bad dream people.
	Well, yes, but in a lot of cases these, in fact most cases, these so-called shadow people are seen by people in a waking state, not dreaming.
	Right, right, but what I've discovered is that they are the products of our bad dreams, or not bad dreams, but just the... In other words... Do you mean, for example then, That if you were asleep dreaming, you might conjure up a shadow person that somebody else might see?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Exactly.
	What they do is they enact the more darker side of ourselves.
	Some people call them golems.
	Well then, if you knew that somebody was conjuring up a shadow person, it wouldn't be hard at all.
	You'd just say, hey stupid, wake up!
	Well, no, I don't know specifically what people are doing.
	I mean, this is like more on a collective subconscious level that these beings are being conjured up and running around and doing bad things.
	Well, how do you... So I go and I just hunt them down and I slaughter them.
	You slaughter them?
	I slaughter them.
	Well, I'm up to 137.
	I'm hoping this year I'll get... You have killed 137 shadow persons?
	Yes, I have.
	God, that's carnage.
	Well, you know, they killed someone close to me, so it's like a... Vendetta.
	Well, a mission.
	Well, vendetta.
	I mean, if you're doing this because they killed somebody close to you, then it'd be a vendetta for sure.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Alright, well, that's... Even shadow people, though.
	137.
	My.
	You see the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	I have an idea for a segment that could drive an open line section.
	And that would be?
	Okay, given the events on the sun.
	Yes.
	Today.
	Yes, we missed that.
	Can you imagine, sir, we missed it by two days.
	That could have wiped out every satellite we've got.
	In which case, I wouldn't be on the air tonight.
	A lot of us probably wouldn't have computers.
	The internet would be down.
	Electrical lines, we'd be in the dark.
	All kinds of things would have happened if that thing had hit his head on.
	Well, consider it by a factor of ten.
	Say that, you know, a week from now, the scientists came out.
	So there's no use in holding back the truth.
	The sun is going to go supernova in three days.
	Oh.
	And there's widespread panic and it's the end of humanity.
	Yes.
	But then, our friends the greys pull up.
	Yeah.
	And they say, Look, there's no time to explain.
	We've been watching you.
	We're not going to let humanity be lost to the sands of time.
	But the problem is, we only have one mothership in the area.
	So we can only save a hundred of the best examples of humanity.
	Who should go?
	And who would decide who went?
	Who should go?
	I think that, to pose that question, I think it would generate some interesting discussion.
	Uh, it would indeed.
	A hundred members of humanity.
	And what kind of materials, what kind of technologies should they bring?
	I mean, what represents humanity?
	Well, I don't think any regular people would go, and as far as the House, the Senate, and the executive branch are concerned, it would be a matter of, I guess, longevity.
	And they'd all go, and we'd sit here and fry.
	You really doubt that?
	I think there would be a lot of furor over it, but perhaps... Of course there would, but there was furor over their pay raise too, but they got that.
	Right?
	You're probably right.
	So we'd be frying, we'd be crispy critters, and they'd be up there legislating.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hello.
	Hi Eric, this is Anthony in Fairbanks.
	Hello Anthony!
	How's the weather in Fairbanks?
	Because it sure isn't very good in Anchorage.
	It's pretty good.
	It's getting up into the 40s almost during the day now.
	It looks like spring might finally be here.
	Yeah, but I mean, they're getting like 100 mile an hour winds in Anchorage.
	It's been a little windy around where I am, but not really too bad.
	Okay.
	Anyway, I had a comment about the shadow people.
	Yeah, this is... Go ahead.
	Okay, I've never personally seen any of them, but do you remember the Patrick Swayze movie, Ghost?
	Yes.
	Do you remember what came for the bad guy near the end of the movie after he had died?
	Yes, indeed.
	There are some people who say that these are death's couriers.
	My guess was they were shocked that you could see them while you're still alive.
	Well, yes, indeed.
	And I suppose seeing one, if you think they might be death's couriers, that would be not good.
	No, it wouldn't.
	Not a good omen.
	And I had one other question.
	Sure.
	I know you have Ed Deems coming up later this week.
	End of the week.
	Yes.
	Is his Mindfire course available anywhere?
	Because I'm not even sure where to look for it.
	Absolutely.
	And you're going to find out all about it at the end of the week.
	But you know something?
	What?
	This gigantic mega flare we just had.
	Yes.
	Sure sounds like a shot across the bow to me.
	Oh, yes it does.
	I appreciate your call.
	Bye.
	Thank you.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I had a couple things I wanted to bring up.
	One was that I'm a Canadian.
	I'm a... A tasty Canadian.
	Yeah.
	I'm a retired Aurora pilot, which the Aurora is... Wait a minute.
	The Aurora's our airplane, not yours?
	No, no.
	It's... The Aurora is a Canadian version of the P3 Orion.
	And the... The Aurora is a... It was developed, I understand, at Area 51.
	No, no, not the... It's not the super-advanced... This is some other Aurora?
	Yeah, it's a copy of the U.S.
	Orion and the Navy's EP-3 Ares.
	Oh, I see.
	Alright.
	As a pilot of one of those, the contention that It ran into a fighter jet, regardless of whether it's being flown by a Chinese or not.
	That'd make a lot of sense to you.
	It's like saying that Zamboni cut off my Ferrari.
	It's a big lumbering... I think the only real question is... I mean, we'll never really know what happened up there, but I'm with you.
	The only question is, were we in international airspace, or were we... After all, it is a spy plane.
	Or could we have been over Chinese airspace?
	You know what?
	I think that's something that... I think that's something we'll never know.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	I think we'll always say we were over international space, and they will always say we were over their airspace.
	They have to.
	Well, CNN is reporting now that we are allowed to see our 24 crew people.
	However, what about the pilot?
	I heard that we're not allowed to see the pilot.
	Well, yeah, that he's missing or something.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And I know I heard that, too.
	I'm not sure what the story is there.
	That he wandered away from the airport.
	The other thing I wanted to mention was, again, about the shadow people.
	Yeah.
	I heard your show the other night, and it floored me.
	I was almost in tears.
	I had people write to me who were in tears because they'd been seeing these creatures, whatever in God's name they are.
	I've seen them my entire life.
	The only people I've ever told were my parents when I was little, because I didn't know it was something wrong.
	I thought they were just part of nature.
	If you'd told a flight surgeon back when you were flying that plane you just told me about, you'd have been on the ground so fast.
	Exactly.
	I told my parents and based on their reaction I didn't tell anybody for years.
	I told a girlfriend when I was about 18.
	How did she react out of curiosity?
	She thought I was nuts.
	She had a real problem with it.
	She was fairly religious and just automatically assumed it to be evil.
	Evil.
	So for those two, I just learned to keep it quiet.
	Doing what I do, doubly so.
	I'm a normal guy and I can't have that kind of thing.
	I've got a wife and two kids that don't know.
	To hear people talking about it, I don't know if it's the same thing.
	I can't say for sure.
	But a lot of it sounds so, so similar.
	It's spooky.
	I know.
	I don't know what I'm going to do about this.
	I've got to find somebody who knows about it.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	And to my audience, I guess I would ask if there is anybody out there who really knows about this phenomena and really has studied this phenomena.
	Anybody you could recommend to me as a guest on this phenomena, email me at artbell at mindspring.com.
	Artbell at mindspring.com.
	Or if you are yourself somebody who has investigated this phenomena, I want to talk to you.
	We've really opened a door here that is not going to close until we get some closure.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, where are you?
	I've been in Jackson, Mississippi.
	You were talking about that demented 12 year old in Las Vegas?
	Yes.
	I think it's TV, movies, music, popular culture in general.
	I have two nieces in a town near here.
	They don't have cable, they don't have satellite.
	Such would be totally unthinkable to them.
	These things were not thought of when we were kids.
	Now, wait a minute now.
	There's millions of kids, millions and millions, who have video games, television, satellite, cellular phones, like you're on now.
	Anything in the world that you can imagine, modern technology, they've got it all, and they don't go berserk.
	There's always the 1%, though, with this 1%.
	It's not even 1%.
	It's a zillionth of 1%.
	But I just can't believe that these things you say... When did we start noticing these problems?
	Wasn't it 30 years ago or so?
	I think about, yeah, about 30 years would be my guess.
	When the 90's put Vietnam War in our laps.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it wasn't just that.
	There were a lot of things that went on in that realm, that span of time.
	Not just that.
	I really didn't believe it myself.
	I thought, you know, kids are smart and that and everything, but when I first saw Apocalypse Now, which is a very strong movie, I came out of that theater just a little warped.
	But I'm an adult and I shook it off and said, we've got to watch this.
	That was a pretty warped movie, actually.
	Yeah.
	And you see this almost that bad on TV every day.
	The TV show Tour of Duty, which I think is A pretty good rendition of Vietnam is on every afternoon.
	But look, when I was young, we had on TV, people killed Indians by the thousands.
	I mean, thousands of them, just boom, boom, boom.
	They'd pull the wagons in a circle and they'd kill Indians like they were in an arcade.
	Up close and personal?
	Well, I mean, no, I mean, not so much.
	They pretty much just fell off the horse, sometimes in a very spectacular fashion.
	And sometimes even the horses got shot.
	You remember the tail end of the movie, I think it's called The Bounty Hunter, Rutger Hauer?
	Yes.
	Where he put the grenade in the terrorist's mouth?
	Yes, yes.
	And said a bad word?
	Screw the bounty?
	Yeah, something like that, yes.
	Stuff like that.
	They see this stuff every day.
	They are so desensitized.
	We recently had a boy, 14 years old, but as big as a grown man.
	You know, they brought that up.
	I know of that case, and they brought that up in the court, and it was tossed right out on its ear as a motivation, as a defense.
	they didn't have no children don't understand what they're doing have no
	conception and feeding from home to the impact
	giacom driver they brought that up i i know that case and that they
	brought that up in the court and it was tossed right out on its year as a as a
	motivation as a defense are you are you aware of that
	uh... now work night so i've got a sleep days but it doesn't surprise me that they were throughout uh...
	Poor little baby, paint him on the head and send him back out on the streets.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, listen, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter and I, you could, you might be right.
	I, I don't know.
	I hope you're not because if you are, then we're doomed, aren't we?
	Because that's not going to change the violence and, uh, All the rest of it on television, in the movies, all over our culture, that's not going to change.
	In entertainment.
	No way.
	Because that's what people are paying for.
	Follow the money!
	People want it, and what people want and are willing to pay for, they will get.
	Well, listen.
	We're out of time.
	I'm sorry that we're out of time, because every line, including the international line, is ringing, so... Que sera!
	We'll do this again tomorrow.
	Try and be here for that.
	I'm Art Bell, from the high desert.

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