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March 7, 2001 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brian Alexander - Cloning - Open Lines Antichrist Letter
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Welcome to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 7th, 2001.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours, and that includes areas commercially from the Tahitian, the Hawaiian Islands, Guam, out across the Dateline in the West, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands, That's a lot of territory.
South into South America, and North all the way to the Pole.
This is Close to Close AM, and I'm Art Bell.
And never in my life have I seen such a brouhaha with regarding to the Kathleen Keating Show that we did at the first of the week.
Oh, brother!
The revelation of the name of the person that Kathleen Keating believes is the Antichrist has really stirred up a furor.
And I'm telling you right now, I'm not going to give that name, nor the organization.
It is, however, on her website.
Her website, however, is... Well, I don't know, you can make up your own mind about that.
I've got Kathleen on the line, and we're going to talk to her for just a moment here at the beginning of the show.
So I've got that a whole lot more in open lines and then a discussion with a very interesting gentleman by the name of Brian Alexander who writes for Wired Magazine on cloning.
A lot going on tonight.
Stay right where you are.
Alright.
Here we go.
We now have a new link To Kathleen Keating's website.
In fact, the specific area where the name of the Antichrist, the person she believes is the Antichrist and the organization, is in fact printed.
Now, if you got on her site, you might not have been able to find it.
You had to know where to look.
So we've put a specific link now to where it is.
That will help you.
But there have been some pretty weird things, I must say, going on.
This whole topic of the Antichrist is a really strange one.
Kathleen, hi there.
Hi, Art.
How are you doing?
Fine.
Thank you for coming on tonight.
Oh, no problem.
Thanks for having me, Patrick.
What an uproar.
Oh, it's been crazy.
I think the price on my head went up exponentially after Monday night.
Well, anyway, whether it's some outside influence or your website unable to handle the traffic, I wouldn't have any idea.
I think it's a little bit of both.
It may be a little bit of both.
The fact of the matter is, if people are persistent, they will eventually get through, right?
And we also have a link on the front page, as you just go into the site, it will take you right to that article.
Alright, that's very helpful.
I want to read something that I've received, in view of, right below where you identify the Antichrist.
You say there's also another guy in New Mexico who appears to be vying for the same infamous title.
This may add to some confusion, but I think there is a reason we're seeing two world teachers.
It is true there will be many smaller antichrists, some significant players, especially world leaders, who will qualify as antichrists.
However, in the end, only one man will be the ultimate antichrist.
But there will be others, huh?
There will.
Alright, I've got an email that I want to read you that I thought was creepy, so I'm going to read it to you and then I'm going to get your reaction.
Dear Mr. Bell, I've just heard much of your interview with Kathleen Keating on streaming audio, and write to take the pressure off that poor goof from the UN, who she has quite incorrectly identified as the Antichrist.
And writing you isn't the only thing I'm doing.
You'll notice that her website is still inoperable.
You see, the fact is, I am the Antichrist.
I'd like to call into one of your programs, but frankly I'm just too busy.
It's always like this when I'm on this side of the Atlantic.
There is an invisible cocoon blocking rational thought that is stretched around this part of the world, and arguably Texas Christian University in particular, and thank God for that.
Facts just do not penetrate this far into what I like to call my personal Territory.
In Europe, and other places closer to ground zero, the Mount, Wailing Wall, Jerusalem, whatever you want to call it, scholarship is more, how should I say it, exacting.
Thus, many people over there know a few things.
But I'd like to take the time to bring you up to speed on.
Please feel free to check my facts, just because I am the Antichrist doesn't mean that I'm infallible.
After all, I'm stuck in this really clumsy older body and sometimes life is a struggle.
I don't recall things as well as I used to.
So, when the Jews were looking for a Messiah, they really didn't believe one would ever arrive.
A phrase current at the time was, when the Messiah comes, By which was not meant that the Messiah would be engaging in a sexual act, but rather he might arrive.
The odds makers throughout the whole proposition find the whole proposition rather sketchy.
Your equivalent today is the second coming of Christ Almighty, which means the same thing, and nobody is too musked up about it.
And this time the Messiah might very well be a woman.
Last time this honor went to Issa Maria.
But I digress.
The Messiah was to have four qualities.
The person so honored was to be the perfect embodiment of the qualities male and female, and also completely spiritual and physical as well.
The glyph by which one speaks of this, then though, over here not so much now, was a cross.
So we have four quadrants defined by this cross.
In each of the quadrants, we write a Hebrew letter which stood for one of the four qualities it traditionally rendered Yahshua, I believe, or Greek Jesus.
It is a title, not a name.
It is to be earned, not bestowed at birth.
So, in Luke, the instructions for naming this lad read that you will call his name Immanuel, When the kid gets here, because he's got a hell of a shot at this whole Messiah thing.
So the child who arrives, not by virgin birth, as any Christian in Lebanon, among other places, will tell you, is first destined to be a man, and he is given the name Isa, which is a diminutive of Isaiah, which means God of salvation.
In Greek, of course, the name is Emmanuel.
Now, I regret to say that Kathleen Keating, Sounds a bit like cheating, doesn't it?
Did not demonstrate too much of her research skills in your program.
Indeed, one thought that her best efforts were to consult some Christian in Oklahoma with an address to an institute that's really the back of a privy door.
I know the place because I provide the funding.
And there's more, oh yes, really.
Keating says the Antichrist drives up in a Beamer.
I don't like Beamers.
Tommel's right.
They're like most European cars, designed and built by people who would rather hike.
Here's where Miss Teeting, oops, Teeting really gets caught out in this business of discrimination.
So, a multi-level marketer shows up driving a Beemer.
And I'd have thought this was a blatant attempt to impress her.
And he says something like, How'd you like your life to go a lot better?
Or could you use another hundred dollars a day or whatever?
And she's so paranoid about the Etta Christ, she doesn't even make eye contact.
I categorically deny, for your information and by the way, that I have been stalking her.
Well, any salesman will tell you, and I've trained a few of them, how about that Billy Graham, hmm?
That if the mark won't even look at you, you're wasting your time.
So by the time the salesman gets in his car, quiet doors with beamers, and slides off down the block, She thinks he's disappeared.
Oh, my back.
Anyway, I don't know Ms.
Keating, and will read her even less now than I've heard her.
As I say, I'm pretty busy up here in North Vancouver, Canada.
I help out now and again because the Christians don't see that you have to spout back what they believe based on not much before they do help.
I know a woman whose children were both abused by her husband.
When this was discovered, the woman took the kids and ran.
Members of the church conducted an exorcism of her as she was possessed by George.
I love this country.
And, uh, did you hear what kind of abuse I got just for lightening the weather load on New York City last week?
Nothing but recuperation.
I guess they were just desperate to close the airports.
Oh, well.
What's an Antichrist to do?
I enjoy your show.
The one with Ms.
Keating reminds me that I've got to get a TV again.
There are all those vandalists on Sunday, and I could use a good laugh as well as the next guy, Warmest, the Antichrist.
What do you think, Kathleen?
He didn't even have the courage to put his name on that diatribe.
That wonderful piece of fiction and blasphemy all rolled into one.
I thought you might react to it about that way.
He must have stayed up late.
He must have stayed up late, yes.
Goodness!
Is that the best he could do?
I found it a little unnerving, and I guess, you know, it may come into the category of the second group of antichrists.
I'm sure he'd have a great argument with that that you've described here.
I don't know.
I bet he can get a book deal, though.
Well, you did.
Well, barely.
Barely.
Okay, well listen, I hope it's going well with the book.
Well, hopefully it is.
We're still taking calls and will continue to do so until the orders stop.
And when the pictures begin talking and the babies within days of birth begin talking to us, you'll have me, believe me, wrapped around your little finger, Kathleen.
I just wanted to get some comments from you on that, and update everybody on the fact that we've got a cleaner way to get to your website.
That doesn't mean they're going to get there.
Because either not too many people can get on at once.
I made it myself tonight, so I know it's possible.
I just want to let everybody know that.
Instead of people sitting out there cursing me, cursing you, because they can't get in, they're just going to have to keep trying.
That information is available.
We have a direct route now, folks.
So, Kathleen, we're going to have you on the program again, I'm sure, soon.
Oh, thanks, Art.
And if you could send me that little letter, that would be wonderful.
You really want a copy of that?
You bet.
I've requested the chap give me a telephone number, and if he does that, I may put him on the air.
Interesting.
And if I put him on the air, maybe I'll give you a call and let you all have a chat.
That would be interesting.
Boy, I wonder if the phone lines would hold up for that one, huh?
They don't hold up for much else, do they?
Not really.
Kathleen, thank you.
Thank you, Art.
Take care and good night.
Alright, that's Kathleen Keating and that information is available.
Now, why am I not giving it out?
Because I know in my heart of hearts that some Christian Would take that name, and it is an individual, alive on Earth now, and go dispatch him quickly, saying, no doubt, as he did it, that he heard it on the Art Bell Program.
So, I choose not to do that, for reasons that I hope you understand.
I hope you understand.
We were talking about the shooting at Santana High in California yesterday, and whether or not it was evil, and one caller in the... I think it was the first hour, wasn't it?
called and pointed out that it's never a girl that the shooter is never a girl and I said I agreed I said you know you're right well maybe we should not have said that because today breaks the following from the Associated Press an eighth grade girl shot a thirteen-year-old female classmate during lunch at a Roman Catholic school Wednesday Before being subdued by a school administrator, according to officials, the victim, also in the 8th grade, was shot in the right shoulder and was listed in stable condition.
Students at Bishop Newman Junior Senior High were taken to a nearby school where police were interviewing witnesses.
Details about the shooting not immediately available.
So they have no idea why she did it.
But for all of that, and it was, it just, ding ding ding, it went on like a lightbulb above my head.
This caller is right.
It's never a girl.
And the very next day after we talk about that, it's a girl.
Now, you know, again, I I'm not saying that this represents a ding-ding-ding by Major Ed Dames, but when you listen to it, you've got to wonder.
The story says, it's from the Washington Times, by the way, forget the fact that some 1,500 assorted nuts, bolts, and chunks may rain down upon the Earth when Russia's vintage space station, Mir, plummets home again in about 10 days.
It's the mutant space fungus we should fret about.
After 15 years of festering away in various air ducts and control panels aboard the old orbiter, some mystery mold is also along for the ride.
A Yuri Karash said, I cannot overstate this, a realistic problem exists.
This is now at a press conference in Moscow.
Now, how much are you hearing about this in the American press?
Not too much, right?
A former cosmonaut and now a journalist, he became unnerved after reviewing mirror documents at the city's 38-year-old Institute of Medical and Biological Problems, which once designed a life support system for a heavy interplanetary ship, among other things.
Washington residents can spot Mir in one of its final appearances, passing low in the northeastern skies at about 6.43 p.m.
tomorrow for two minutes.
It'll be 10 degrees above the horizon.
That's not very far.
Meanwhile, Russian officials have become wary of assuring the governments of Japan and Australia, and more recently now Germany, that most of the spacecraft will incinerate upon entering Earth's atmosphere sometime Between March 17th and 20th.
So in other words, we've got legit people in Russia saying, don't worry about the nuts and bolts.
Worry about this horrid fungus that has been growing in it for some time.
Because guess what?
It's coming back down with mirror.
And I thought I would read this for this poor gentleman in Tennessee.
Lenora City, L-E-N-O-I-R City, Tennessee.
Art, I feel horrible, but I had to do it.
I told my girlfriend of five years that essentially she wasn't smart enough to enjoy your program.
Well, sir, this is not off to a good start.
He goes on, it's mean, I know, and I tried for months to get her to turn off the cartoon network and listen to your program, but she refused.
In insulting her, I hope to challenge her.
Boy, do you have a lot to learn, sir.
She's much smarter than she gives herself credit for, so I challenged her intelligence in order to expand her interests.
So she's listening tonight.
And I know what I have done is wrong.
I'm sorry.
But the intellectual stimulation she gains from this compelling program will quickly staunch the wounds.
I hope!
In the end, she will be a passionate listener, and I'm sure he hopes love her as well.
And of that, I'm sure.
And he finishes, I'm sleeping on the couch tonight, Art, so please, should you get this message, just tell her I love her, and I'm sorry I insulted her.
Greg, Lenore City, Tennessee.
Ah, good luck, Greg.
You really have a lot to learn.
From Sydney, Australia, a former Australian Army commando, get this, folks, plans to jump off the edge of outer space and plummet 25 miles to Earth in the highest skydive ever.
His name is Rod Miller, 37 years of age.
He's going to make the 40,000 meter jump by riding in a hot air balloon right to the very edge of space.
And then he will wear an astronaut suit to protect his body from extreme pressures and jump!
The plan calls for Milner to fall at least 1,100 miles per hour during a seven minute fall before opening a parachute.
The fall would make Milner The first human being to ever break the sound barrier unaided.
It's basically extreme science to see how far we can push it.
This is going to change the face of a lot of things, including emergency procedures for people exploring space, he was quoted as saying by the AAP.
Milner claims that scientists have helped him on the project.
But it is not known if the human body is capable of enduring such a descent.
The jump may be a relaxing change for Milner, who teaches explosives and mine warfare to Australian Army recruits.
So this guy just can't get enough, and he's going to jump virtually from where the atmosphere goes away and the blackness of space begins.
One has to wonder if this is going from an Associated Press story, which, by the way, it is right now, To a Darwin nomination notation.
Anyway, I guess, uh, let's see.
Project Space Jump will be launched from Alice Springs in March of 2002.
So he's yet a year away from it.
Maybe somebody out there can talk him out of it.
Who knows?
And by the way, remember, Friday night, Saturday morning, this Friday night, Saturday morning, I am not going to be here.
In fact, Ian Punnett will be here with a guest that I know not who, just yet.
I'm going to the Radio and Records Convention, Talk Radio Convention, in California.
Should be very interesting.
It's the first one I've ever been to, as a matter of fact.
I'll be there with Matt Drudge, and Matt and I are going to have a bit of a conversation upon the stage.
For the enjoyment of all those attending.
Stay right where you are.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 7th, 2001.
This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AMX-CX-3.
Thank you for watching.
Some of them want to abuse you.
Some of them want to be abused.
to be abused. Sweet dreams are made of this.
Sweet dreams are made of this.
Sweet dreams are made of this.
Go, go, ride by the wind. Throw down in a spin.
I gave you love, I thought that we had made it to the top.
I gave you all I have to give, but didn't have to say.
You blowed it all sky high By telling me a lie Without a reason why
You've blown it all sky high You've blown it all sky high
Our love had wings to fly We couldn't have touched the sky
You've blown it all sky high Our love had wings to fly
Our love had wings to fly Our love had wings to fly
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 7, 2001.
Katie, bar the door, here we go.
Here's what Keith has done.
Keith Roman, my webmaster.
He went to the appropriate place on Kathleen Keating's site and lifted the entire page, the one in which she reveals the Antichrist.
So, here we go.
This is something signed by Kathleen Keating.
And all we're doing is allowing some bandwidth so that we can put it up and you can definitely see it.
If you go to my website now at www.artbell.com and click on what's new, there are two things that you can see.
The first, Keating announces the Antichrist.
You will get it.
I can assure you, you will get it unless He decides you won't.
We'll have to see about that.
You can give it a shot, anyway.
Item 2 under What's New is the actual written statement of John Glenn, as collected by Keith Rowland from what I read last night, which was word for word from the Frasier Show.
And for all of you writing me email and saying things like, God, Art, don't you know it was just a comedy?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I do know it was just a comedy.
And every time I read it, I prefaced what I was reading by telling you it was just a comedy.
Right?
Do you remember that?
Do any of you remember that I put that preface in there?
So please, folks, Uh, listen to what I say.
It's very important that you listen precisely to what I say.
Yes, indeed, it was a comedy program.
I acknowledge that every time I read it last night.
I acknowledge it again tonight.
It's just that we thought it was a little strange that John Glenn would say those words, that they would come from his mouth.
And you've got to know, if he didn't want to say them, he would not have.
You can be sure of that.
Do they mean exactly what they say?
Well, it was a comedy.
Do they perhaps have meaning just a little bit below the comical surface?
That is for you to decide.
Back into the night we go.
Open lines directly ahead.
Let's see what awaits, shall we?
On the wild card line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, sir.
I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
It's quite all right.
Go ahead.
This is Benjamin Cullen from Indianapolis.
Yes, Benjamin.
I've got a couple of comments for you.
I agree with your assessment about the school shooters and that they seem to be pure evil and my theory on that... Well, wait a minute.
I don't absolutely say they're pure evil or that it's evil incarnate causing these shootings.
What I do say is that it has to be one of the possibilities, one of the main possibilities that you consider When you start thinking about why would somebody take a gun to school and smile and start shooting their classmates and smile all the while?
Now, that's got to be one of the possibilities.
No, I wholly agree with you.
And my theory on that is that it's kind of timely, seeing as how you had Kathleen Keating on Monday night.
I thought so, yes.
Well, I think it's God pulling back all the stops, and I think He's allowing evil to We've got to wonder why God would do something like that, though.
I do.
I mean, why?
God is God, right?
Why would he allow evil and hurting and all these things to go on?
I suppose there's an answer in religion to that somewhere.
Tell me, how old are you?
I'm 27.
27?
Right.
Okay, well, you're not that old, but even when you were in high school, were they having these mass shootings?
No, they were not.
It's completely a new thing.
I mean, probably, I heard, or I saw on the news the other day, I think it was 60 Minutes last night, maybe, that they have one, I believe, in 1979.
And that was the first one that, if I remember correctly, that was the first one.
Do you remember an old song?
Some group wrote an old song called, I Don't Like Mondays.
And it was about somebody who did a shooting on a Monday.
That's all I can remember.
That was quite a while ago, but as far as I know, that was probably the first.
Thank you very much for the call.
I don't know what to make of it either, but I don't think you can rule out the possibility of evil, real, external evil influencing these things.
Can't rule it out.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, hello.
You're on the air.
How are you doing?
Ah, fine.
Where are you?
I'm from Bowmanville.
Where?
Bowmanville.
Well, I'd like to bring you back to your talk about the Mirror Project there.
Oh, the Mirror Project, yes, with the fungus.
Yeah, well, what's the big deal with the fungus?
Well, the big deal... Have you never watched a science fiction horror movie, sir?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, don't you know what happens when the outer space fungus gets to Earth?
Yeah, but...
In reality, it burns up as it's coming through.
up as it's coming through. Oh yeah, right, well that's of course what they will tell you, but here's a Russian cosmonaut
very concerned that it's not going to burn up, and as I said, if you've seen one science fiction movie, you know
that it's not going to burn up, that a little bit's going to get through, and it's going to start eating people first
thing straight away. That's the next thing to happen. I guess I never thought about it that way, but I just figured
they're saying nothing You don't have to worry about it.
It's nuts and bolts.
And one more thing.
Canadians taste better.
You take care.
What's with the Rockies?
You're on the air.
Hello.
I appreciate you taking the call.
I'm calling you from Ellensburg, Washington.
First I want to say how much I appreciate the educational value of your show and your talent is so amazing for helping me and I'm sure others to appreciate the amazing Well, the amazing is there.
It's there every day if you look for it, and of course I do.
It's my job.
But the amazing is there.
It's all around us.
It's just that how many venues report on it?
Hardly any.
Yes.
Some difficult questions were asked during your show, Kathleen Keating, and I used that phrase specifically.
I think one thing that is amazing is human consciousness, and I think In common with all humans is an instinct that transcends religious ideas or science.
It's an instinct of a belief in God based on this amazingness of our own consciousness.
Well, Matthew Alper calls it the God part of the brain.
You know, there's a part of our brain that virtually demands that we worship and believe in the hereafter, because to not do so would drive you absolutely crazy, and it very well might, and it's a protective function of the brain.
Yes, but I think that the human mind is suspicious of accidental perfection.
Biologically speaking, the mind is so amazing.
I have simple proof for This instinct of the existence of God, which I can share with you.
It's two parts.
No, not to read to me, please.
No, not to read to you.
Alright, just give it to me in a nutshell, very quickly.
Using the example of Henry Ford, the creator of the Model T. Oh, yes.
If you can visualize the idea that we are all Model T's, and the Model T is the effect The cause was Henry Ford, but the cause... I suppose then Dean Kamen is visualizing all of us as a two-wheeled scooter, right?
The Henry Ford cause is greater than the Model T. In other words, the cause itself... Henry was much more than the maker of cars.
He was brilliant in many ways, created the idea of the assembly line, etc.
We being the effect... We being the... Consciousness being the effect...
It's very simple, logical suspicion in the mind.
The mind learns through four ways.
Pattern recognition, cause and effect, instinct and intuition, and all four of those point us naturally to be suspicious of accidental perfection and to realize this amazing effect that we are.
Well, alright, or put another way, I think that Arthur C. Clarke was the one who said that Anything, any technology sufficiently advanced would appear to us, I'm paraphrasing, as magic.
Or perfection, or, you know, however you want to put it.
Something we were kind of kicking around a couple of nights ago that's very interesting.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Morning.
You've got another better tasting Canadian on the line.
Is Dan calling from Dartmouth and Nova Scotia up in Canada?
Oh yes, yes, way up there.
Way up here, yeah.
Very sharp, tangy taste.
Exactly, yes.
I have two quick comments.
I have one quick comment for you.
Okay.
It was Canada, after all, where that Russian nuclear baloney hit the ground and contaminated your country.
That's right, yeah.
So, you know, they say lightning doesn't strike twice, but... It's a lottery.
Yes, indeed.
Anyway, you called for a reason.
Yes, I just discovered your show.
A few days ago, I've been glued to it ever since.
It's starting to interfere with my work now.
It interferes with my sleep patterns.
I can see that.
And unfortunately we're losing.
You see, JCH is becoming an all-sports channel.
So what am I going to do after that?
Oh, no!
Yeah, yeah.
I've been protesting, but... It's becoming an all-sports channel?
Yes.
How much sports can... And I like sports.
I'm into the NFL, even the XFL.
But how much sports can anybody take?
I guess you'd call that one of those head-shakers.
I can't... Besides that, at this time of night, there's no sports going on?
I know, I know.
Call him up and tell him to run sports the rest of the time and run this program in the all night.
I am certainly going to do that, I will.
That song, by the way, that was Boomtown Rats, I Don't Like Mondays, that was based on a true story and it was actually a girl.
It was about a shooting and it was a girl, right?
It was a girl, that one.
Yeah, there you are.
My wife came up with that one.
Is that right?
Yep.
I had a question for you.
I've been listening intently about The statement that John Glenn had made and this thing with the glass tunnels on Mars.
Yes.
And I wanted to ask you if you'd ever heard of a broadcast called Alternative 3.
Oh, yes.
You have heard that?
Sure.
I didn't know about that.
If anyone else had heard of that in a long time, this was years ago.
I was a kid.
I saw this.
Yeah, I know.
And I had no idea if it was, at the time, a hoax or what.
I looked at it that way.
Is that right?
Yeah.
I looked at it that way.
A lot of it seemed pretty hokey, but wasn't there an interview with an astronaut in there?
Now that I don't remember, I remember all of the paranoid stuff that was in there, though.
To me, it was a lot of paranoid stuff.
Yeah.
Or maybe I just felt paranoid after I read it.
Anyway, I've got to run, sir.
Okay, then.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for the call.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Aloha, Art.
Oh, and out to Hawaii, all the way from Nova Scotia to Hawaii.
Just like that.
This is Jason from Hawaii.
Yes, Jason.
And I was going to talk about the quote-unquote evil in the world.
Yes.
And actually, a friend of mine and myself were talking about this once, and she said that she knows somebody that Basically, every time they listen to a certain kind of music, they kind of turn mean.
I don't think it's music.
We've been over that.
Video games, television music, ah, baloney.
Listen, Jason, in your life, how old are you now?
I'm 19.
Sometimes, Jason, can't you feel evil?
I mean, can't you literally feel the urge for evil?
It doesn't mean you do it.
But you feel it, right?
The urge to do something really evil?
Yes.
And I was going to go to my point.
My point was that it's the person, not the music.
You know?
And that's how... You there?
Yeah, I'm listening.
It's the person, not the music.
I heard that.
Yeah, and that's how I feel.
Alright, well, listen.
I heartily appreciate your call.
And call me again.
Person, not the music.
Alright, these are the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
All right.
International Line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Where are you, sir?
Portland.
Portland?
Yes, sir.
And you got through on the International Line somehow?
Yes.
Well, I actually thought I called the wildcard line.
Really?
That's what I thought.
We're going to have to talk to this.
5276.
Yeah, somehow that wildcard line is rolling to the International Line.
We're going to have to talk to a phone company about that.
Anyway, you got on, so go right ahead.
Thank you.
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Everybody, remember to turn your radio off or you'll sound silly on the air, because you'll be listening to yourself.
Absolutely.
Alright, so what's on your mind?
Well, Art Bell, I've got a question for you.
A correlation between Cydonia region and Giza.
What kind of correlation?
Well, simply ask Richard Hoagland's theories with the The mana, or the Holy Grail.
I never, I didn't hear Richard talk about the Holy Grail.
No, he didn't, and that's my question.
Oh, I see, so you want him to have a theory about it.
Alright, I'll pass that on.
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Art, my name is David from Richfield.
Hi, David.
Minnesota.
Minnesota, alright.
Okay, you were saying something about the excuse that one guy gave you, gave that he hated Mondays.
Oh, there was a song.
I don't like Mondays.
Okay, there's this guy that went into a school, a public school down in Florida, back in 1978.
And he shot up the school.
And they asked him why they did it, or why did he do it.
Yes.
And he said, I hate Mondays.
Well, I think he was playing off the song of the same name.
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Hey, Art, how you doing?
Okay.
Hey, listen, um, two things.
One, uh, first off, actually, I'll talk about the Hoboken.
I found some, uh, other pictures of these quote-unquote tubes, the glass tubes, on the photojournal JPLNASA.gov site.
I would imagine so.
Um, but I was flying back from San Francisco, uh, last Friday, and I was flying over Nevada and Arizona, and I saw identical forms of structures as we were flying east And what it looked like to me was there were runoff gullies, you know what I mean, like washout gullies.
Yes, okay, fair enough.
I thought that too, regarding runoff, but not the other part.
If you look carefully at these photographs, you will see, particularly if you look at the close-ups, you will see an obvious translucent quality to them that's impossible to explain.
I mean, that's just impossible to explain unless it's glass or it's some type of Almost clear, but not quite clear material.
That's not something you would expect to see on Mars.
Maybe it's some kind of water or condensation.
Another question, though.
I went through about, I guess, 800 of these images, and a good portion of them were in color.
And I was wondering, do you know if it's false color, or if the satellite... No, no, no, no.
It's real color.
They get the color values, and they're very careful to correct them properly, so that you get the real color.
Right.
Why don't they take all of them in color, then?
I don't know.
A lot of the early missions had black and white cameras.
Right.
Okay, and because now that you've posted the quote-unquote anti-Christ identity... That does not mean that you can say it on the air.
All we did was post... Reposted the opinion of Nick Keating.
That's right.
East of the Rockies, call toll-free 1-800-825-5033.
Now, you just tried to give his name and I had to bleep that out.
Why'd you do that?
I wasn't aware that I wasn't supposed to.
I apologize.
Well, yeah, I said I wasn't going to give his name.
Anyway, this person has been offered to me to interview.
So, I'm considering whether I would interview this person.
What do you think?
Should I?
Um, I don't think this person has drawn enough attention to himself to merit being on the Eric Bell Show yet, and I think that by interviewing him, you might be able to propel him to that.
Well, his spokesperson was on my program.
Now, of course, they say he's the Messiah, not the Antichrist.
But, of course, that's how the Antichrist advertises he will appear.
So, I don't know.
I've been offered the interview.
I'll just have to think it over.
Alright?
All right.
All right.
Thank you.
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Hi.
This is Vince from Vancouver.
Hi, Vince.
We've got a short time here before the top of the hour.
What's cooking?
Well, I was wondering, what do you think of talking pictures being television?
What do I think of talking pictures being television?
Yes, from your talk the other night about the Antichrist.
Yeah, I have no idea what you mean by that.
Talking pictures being television.
Talking pictures, that was a phrase assigned to movies when they first got audio.
So, what are you talking about?
Oh, you mean pictures on the wall beginning to talk, right?
Yeah.
In our day and time as TV, but... Well, I told Kathleen if any of my pictures begin to talk, or I encounter a newborn baby that begins to talk to me, I'm going to be right in her corner real quick.
I'm a doubter.
I'm a skeptic.
I don't know what I am.
I'm not exactly a non-believer, because there are lots of things I do believe in.
I guess I'm agnostic, but believe me, if the pictures and babies start talking, I'll be right there, Kathleen.
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For most of you, I guess it's morning.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Coming up in a moment is Brian Alexander, who's a writer for Wired Magazine.
It's going to be pretty interesting.
We're going to talk with him for about an hour, which means that we've got several hours of open lines tonight.
I've got a couple ideas for him.
That'll be coming up next hour.
But this hour, we're going to talk about cloning.
It's one of the enduring areas of interest for me.
We are going to clone.
Make no mistake about it.
Well, actually, it might even be put a different way.
We may already have cloned.
May well already have cloned.
And Brian spent quite a while investigating this whole area of cloning, so we'll find out what he knows coming up in a moment.
Brian Alexander, who writes for Wire.
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Here is Brian Alexander.
Brian, welcome to the program.
Great to be here, Art.
You wrote quite a long article for WIRED magazine on the subject of cloning, didn't you?
That's right.
It came out in the February issue.
Do you write for Wired exclusively, or tell us a little bit about yourself?
Well, I write about biotechnology for Wired.
I've also written for New York Times Sunday Magazine, Esquire, a variety of other magazines, too.
Oh my!
Alright, how long did you work on the article on cloning?
Well, from start to finish, from the time it was assigned until it came out, it was about six months.
And I spent about four of those months fairly heavy-duty reporting.
Yeah, that's a lot of research.
No question about it.
So then, tell us everything you know about cloning.
I don't know how else to ask.
I'm fascinated by the whole concept of cloning.
I interviewed a representative of the Israeli religion.
And they claim that they're about to clone.
Some are claiming they've actually already got a woman pregnant.
So I don't know where they sit right now.
Since the interview I did, that was, oh, I don't know, two or three weeks ago.
And I'm sure you ran into them as you did your research.
But in the whole cloning world right now, do you think we've already cloned?
Well, it's possible that we've cloned by accident.
By accident?
By accident.
Let me just take a second and explain that.
There's an IVF procedure that's known as ICSI, that's I-C-S-I, and it stands for Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection.
And what ICSI does is helps men who would otherwise be infertile, helps them have babies, by directly injecting sperm into the egg rather than relying on the sperm to get in there on their own.
Now, when they do ICSI, they have a sort of a plate full of sperm.
But there's also a cell type that hangs around sperm, and in women, it hangs around eggs.
The cell type is called a cumulus cell.
It's a little round cell.
Sounds like a cloud.
Right, yeah, exactly.
And it looks a little bit like a cloud when you look at it in a Petri dish.
Well, these cumulus cells are almost indistinguishable from sperm cells that have had their tails removed, which is what they do in ICSI.
So it's very easy for a technician to accidentally pick up a cumulus cell and inject that into an egg.
And because the egg treats everything that goes into it, like a sperm, you'd end up with a clone.
So in other words, you have a clone.
That's right.
I've got it.
But we wouldn't know that, would we?
Or would we?
In other words, once the child is born, Would we be aware?
No, we wouldn't necessarily.
No, no.
The child would happen to look a lot like Dad.
Or even exactly like Dad, I guess.
Well, yeah, but it would be 20, 30 years younger than Dad.
But, in fact, it would be an exact replica.
Well, no.
No?
No.
One of the things that people forget or don't realize about cloning is that you have to use an egg.
And the egg has its own DNA called mitochondrial DNA.
Right.
Which makes a contribution to the makeup of our own, of our own DNA.
So then they really don't have a way to make an exact replica then?
In fact, there's no such thing as making a copy of a person.
Well then what the heck are they talking about?
I always understood it to be a precise replica that the DNA would be exactly the same.
You say no.
That's right.
About 1%, 1.5% of the DNA It would be mitochondrial DNA.
And all you need is one slight difference and suddenly you've got... Oh, well, listen, that percentage is almost as big as the difference between humans and apes!
Right.
Yeah, it's a common myth.
It's something a lot of people think and have reason to, because after Dolly was created, All the images that we saw, all the images we were exposed to, and, you know, repeated copies of Adolf Hitler and Michael Jordan and all the rest, and so we didn't hear anything else other than that you could make copies of people.
In fact, you can't make a copy of a person.
You get close, but that's all.
That's right.
You would get a baby who shared an awful lot of traits with mom or dad.
They would look a lot alike as they grew older, but still a little different because time itself You know, it etches itself on our faces, our bodies, in different ways.
Oh, you know it.
Yeah, no kidding.
So you would have definitely a different person, but there's no doubt that a clone would share appearances and certain traits.
Yes, but the people who are laying down the money, and they are doing that now, aren't they?
That's right, they are.
To have clones of themselves, for whatever their reason, they think they're getting an exact duplicate, and Are they being sold that bill of goods, or are they being told the truth?
In some cases, they are being sold that bill of goods.
In other cases, people are saying, look, you're not going to get an exact duplicate.
And they say, you know, we don't care.
This is close enough for us.
We understand this will be a unique individual, but at least the blueprint of the person that we loved, that died tragically, for example, in many cases, the blueprint will be back with us.
And we treasure those traits.
That's some of what people are thinking.
I did interview a couple of people who thought they were going to get their dead child back, literally.
Right.
And they were resistant to the idea that that wouldn't happen for them.
Now, in the case of infertile couples who just want to have a baby, they don't care if they have an exact duplicate.
They just want to have a genetically related child.
For some infertile couples, cloning is the only way to do that.
All right.
There are, of course, many ethical and moral questions attendant to the whole concept of cloning.
And I've got an article here by Rick Weiss, the Washington Post service.
I wonder if you've seen that.
It was there in today's paper.
Oh, there you are.
See, I get them quick.
So he says, among other things, that almost all of the first hundred clones will probably abort spontaneously because of genetic or physical abnormalities.
Now, Assuming that some percentage of those don't abort, you're going to get some monsters.
Well, that's a guess.
And, you know, that's a good guess.
It's based on his reporting.
And Rick Weiss is one of the people who follows cloning very carefully.
Well, if it's a good guess, I mean, that really is a moral, ethical dilemma.
Oh, yeah.
The safety issue of cloning is really the primary, the most, I should say, the most cogent argument Against cloning, as far as I can tell.
The fact is, this is risky.
In fact, he says, let me just read this, and then I'll let you go on.
Other leading animal cloners know, and we're talking about animals now, that behind the stunning stories of cloning successes in cows, sheep, goats, pigs, and mice, 95 to 97 percent of efforts still end in, his word, disaster.
Well, that's right.
I wouldn't necessarily use the word disaster.
Let me explain a little bit about failure rates and so on.
Sure.
Now let's say that you start with 100 eggs and you perform the cloning procedure on all 100.
Scientists and people who clone animals have a reasonable expectation of getting five live births out of that 100.
That's what's called a 5% efficiency rate or a 5% success rate.
Now, most of those 100 eggs either won't divide or will fail soon after dividing a couple of times.
So they will never be implanted.
They implant maybe 10%.
Maybe 10 out of 100 get implanted.
And about 5 of those scientists would expect to be born alive.
So when you sort of narrow down what the risks are and what the success rates are, you have
to kind of be careful where you start.
You could say that if you implant 10 and you get 5, you have a 50% success rate.
Or you could say if you start with 100 eggs and you get 5, you've got a 5% success rate.
So you've got to be a little bit careful about that.
As far as disasters are concerned, cows especially seem to have a problem with what's called
the large cow syndrome or large calf syndrome.
There's a problem of communication, at least the theory is, there's a problem of communication between the embryo and then the developing fetus and the mother.
They're born too big.
Sometimes they're born too big and placentas seem to develop abnormally.
And this may be a result of what's called this imprinting issue.
The cells which are used in cloning are already imprinted and designated on where they're supposed to go.
And when you try to reverse them back to an embryonic state, they may retain some of this imprinting.
It kind of sounds almost Like Dr. Frankenstein.
I realize it's not, but they're going to end up with some failures that live.
And what do we as a society do about that?
I know in America, I guess, there really are no laws against cloning.
There are laws in Great Britain, I believe, but not here.
So we're going to plow ahead and we're going to inevitably end up with some disfigured, terrible things.
Should we be going ahead with this?
Well, should we go ahead with it right now?
I would say no, but that isn't stopping people.
It is going forward, I believe.
Now, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I think it's dangerous, and I think it's too dangerous to be doing it now.
For all the reasons that we've just talked about.
Alright, I tried desperately to get one of the first people who became vocal about this on the program, Dr. Seed.
He never would come on.
He came close, but he never would come on.
Have you spoken with Dr. Seed?
Did you have any luck?
I have spoken with Dr. Seed, yes.
Well, I think Dr. Seed is largely out of the picture now.
He made a stab at this a couple years ago and made a lot of headlines.
And then apparently had some possible financing and that fell through.
As far as I know now, Dr. Seitz is not working on cloning at all.
He's actually turned his attention towards clinics for human rejuvenation, which he hopes to start a chain of clinics to do that.
Rejuvenation?
In other words, making people younger?
Making them younger, making them live longer.
Boy, he lives right out there on the edge, doesn't he?
Yeah, he does.
Who do you think will be the first to publicly clone?
To publicly?
Yeah, in other words, who's the closest right now, do you suppose?
Well, you know, if the realians are for real, I think they would be the first ones if they really do have somebody pregnant.
Now, there has been an announcement by a doctor in Kentucky, who's working with a relatively famous doctor in Italy, Dr. Zavos and Dr. Antonori, they came out in mid to late January and said that they were going to start trying to clone people.
They were going to start the experiments and then proceed ahead.
They've been overwhelmed with people who want to have babies.
These are infertile couples and they want to have them through cloning so they can be genetically related.
Now, they've been public about it.
They've been widely condemned by How big a business is it?
around the world because IVF doctors certainly don't want that kind of attention.
Whether or not they'll actually succeed and go forward in the end, I don't know.
They say that they're going to, so I guess that would make them the first sort of mainstream,
if you want to call them that.
How big a business is it?
I noticed on the Raelians' website, they offer to buy eggs and they offer to buy all kinds
of things to do their cloning with.
They're offering, I think, $5,000 for eggs.
I can't remember.
Well, yeah, that's actually a going rate for egg donation.
It is?
Yeah.
$5,000 per egg or per?
Per donation cycle.
Wow.
And you get, you know, five to ten eggs out of one cycle.
Oh, my gosh.
Do you have anything to say about that?
I mean, is cloning going to be a really big business?
Apparently it is.
Well, no.
Cloning is always going to be a very small endeavor by a very small minority of people.
It's going to be a lot of money for somebody, though.
Well, I think it'll become an IVF procedure, just like we have IVF procedures now.
It'll be one of those, and it'll cost whatever IVF costs after a while.
No, at first it's going to be expensive because the first people to do it are going to be roundly condemned.
But as the safety level gets a little bit more reasonable, I think cloning is going to be an option for infertile couples.
And they will choose that as the last resort.
That won't be their first option.
It will only be infertile couples doing it as a last resort, perhaps some gay or lesbian couples, maybe the odd egomaniac But generally speaking, people are going to want to reproduce the old-fashioned way.
I would think so.
Now, the Raelians actually went a step further, and they suggested that yes, they're going to clone, and that eventually their hope, get this, their hope is that you'll be able to take the contents of a person's brain and download it, essentially download it, Kind of like wiping a disk drive clean and then downloading the person into the clone so that you virtually could live forever.
Have you heard this?
Yeah, that's the idea.
I sat down with Ray L up in Quebec and we talked about this very thing.
You know, the idea is that he's basing this on the book of Genesis, where the patriarchs lived to be seven or eight hundred years.
And so what he's saying is that every 700 or 800 years we will sort of check ourselves into the cloning center and we'll have a new body made that will pop out about 17 years old, a body of 17 years old, and then we'll download ourselves into this new body and therefore continue on living forever.
You know, he's not the first guy to talk about this concept.
There has been this concept floating around called the soul chip, which is sort of a The hard drive for our personalities and our souls.
The soul chip?
That's a new one on me.
It's been a science fiction notion, but it's also been sort of a theoretical notion.
Would it ever be possible to digitize everything that we are as people, our spirituality, our consciousness, our personalities, and so on?
It's obviously not possible now, and it could be thousands of years before it ever would be possible.
But people have toyed around with the concept before.
Well, if we're toying around with these ideas here in public, I mean, after all, you've interviewed these people who are all gangbusters to go and clone.
If that's what's happening in public, then kind of like, I live near Area 51 here, and you have to wonder, with what we've got flying in the sky now, I don't know if you've ever seen a B-2, they're pretty exotic.
Imagine what they've got, you know, up at the secret test site.
If we imagine all of this publicly, that you and I are openly talking about right now, what might be going on in secret labs behind closed doors?
Well, one of the things I say in The Wired Story is that this could very easily have already been done in any of 300 in vitro fertilization clinics around the world.
I quote scientists saying that you need a good molecular biologist or a good cell biologist And an IVF doctor, and you could do it in a small closet.
And in fact, you could do it and nobody would really even know about it.
Because it looks so much like other IVF procedures.
So somebody with enough ego and enough money might have commissioned a lab which might have already indeed done this.
And people try to do that all the time.
I interviewed IVF doctors who say they are approached weekly, sometimes daily, by people hoping for clones.
People with money, no doubt.
Well, sure.
Mainly they're infertile couples or people who have lost a child.
All right.
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What a wonderful world.
Welcome to the world of cloning.
My guest is Brian Alexander, who writes for many magazines, actually, but wrote an extensive article on cloning for Wired.
he'll be right back alright more now on floating uh...
For the remainder of this half hour, Brian Alexander is here with us.
He wrote the article for Wired Magazine.
If you have questions for him, we will open the lines in this half hour and ask some questions.
Brian, you're back on the air again.
What was the most surprising thing to you when you took this job and then when you finally finished this job up and it went to press?
What surprised you the most about the whole cloning thing?
How many people, average everyday folks, were very interested in pursuing cloning?
That's really what surprised me.
I expected to find a few oddball characters and so on, but a lot of the people I talked to are your next door neighbors.
Did you interview some of them, and what did they say?
I interviewed as many people as I could find.
They told me stories about losing children to accidents.
They told me stories about being married, being infertile, wanting to have children, having gone through three or four rounds of IVF, hope, and then having that dashed.
They would like to try to use cloning to do that.
And of that number of people, Brian, how many of them were under the misconception that cloning would produce an exact duplicate?
There were a couple of people who had lost children who were hoping to literally recreate the children.
Other people who had lost loved ones knew that they would not get an exact duplicate, that they would get a unique individual, but were hoping to just sort of recapture some of the traits of the past person.
Is there anybody in the cloning world who believes that you're going to be able to clone A human being, and have it appear as something other than a newborn.
No.
Except that, you know, the realians think that sometime in the future that'll happen.
Yes.
But, uh... There's nobody on the edge of that now.
No, no.
Alright, I would like to let the audience ask a few questions as well, if you don't mind.
First time caller on the line, where are you please?
Uh, yes sir, I'm here in Flagstaff, Arizona.
My name is John.
Okay, John.
I appreciate you taking my call.
Sure, sure.
Mr. Alexander, I just had a question for you as far as, I mean, Does cloning go as far as to, like, bring back to life a deceased family member, something you can bring back to a certain age, or are there certain elements that enter into bringing them to 10 years old, or 20 years old, or 30 years old?
I'll tell you what, Culler, he already answered that one.
They're going to start off as an infant, but he did ask an interesting question.
If somebody is deceased, Brian, and their cellular material has been cryogenically Saved.
Right.
Would that be, would you be able to clone that way?
The short answer is yes.
Oh boy.
Yeah, you have to be properly preserved, but if it's preserved under the right circumstances, yes, you could use that cellular material.
So that if they had saved cellular material from Hitler.
Everybody always uses Hitler.
They could, in fact, create another within one, one and a half percent, Hitler.
Yeah, but you've got to remember that the new baby Hitler may grow up and want to be a pacifist artist.
You never know.
What a crushing disappointment.
That would be.
People would be very disappointed.
People always use Michael Jordan.
I've been asked the question about Michael Jordan in the past.
There's a good chance that a clone of Michael Jordan wouldn't especially like basketball or even be very good at it.
But the clone of Michael Jordan would be a real big tall guy.
He'd look a lot like Michael Jordan, yeah, certainly.
So I suppose that you could go for 50 Michael Jordans and cultivate the one that seems to go for basketball.
Well, if you could manage to get Michael Jordan to give up in cells, you could do it.
You don't... I've been told you don't need much.
They say eventually scrapings from under the fingernail would do it, or skin scrapings, or maybe a lock of hair, or whatever.
Well, hair probably won't do it.
You need at least the hair root.
Actually, all cells are not created equal when it comes to cloning.
There are two preferred cell types.
One of them is cumulus cells that I spoke about earlier.
Another one is fibroblast cells.
That's sort of a general name for skin cells and skin-related cells.
So skin would do it, or a root of the hair?
Yeah, the root of the hair would be tough, but skin could do it if you had the right skin and you preserved it in the right way.
Alright, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Brian Alexander.
Cheerio.
Hello.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
Hi, I have a question for Brian.
Yes, where are you by the way?
Portland, Oregon.
Alright.
A correlation between the search for immortality with mankind and the want to reduplicate themselves.
And basically how that fits in with cloning.
Okay, well the answer is simple.
Right, Brian?
It doesn't fit in.
This is not, at least yet, immortality.
Well, right, but he's on to something here because There is a new branch of biotechnology called rejuvenative medicine, and that involves the cloning of organs.
In other words, they'll use one of my cells, and they'll use the same procedure they would use to make a clone of a person, and they would eventually try to direct those cells to make new liver tissue.
Or a new heart.
Or a new heart.
In some speculation, I wrote another story for Wired that came out about a year ago called, Don't Die, Stay Pretty.
And part of that story revolved around this concept of being able to essentially check yourself in to have replacement organs made and extend lifespan that way.
Is that what Dr. Seed is working on?
He didn't go into detail.
I would imagine that would be... Well, you used the same word, rejuvenation.
Yeah, it's a buzz term that's been catching on lately.
I don't know if that's what he's been working on.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brian Alexander.
Hello.
Yes, hi.
Hi.
I just wanted to tell you I'm happy to hear you back again.
Oh, thank you.
And where are you?
I am in the tiny town of Prairie View, Kansas.
Alright.
My question kind of revolved around your last suggestion on cloning organs.
Contrary to what Dr. Day thinks, I think organ transplantation is about the best thing we've got at the moment and you know it's definitely not a disaster.
I being a lucky recipient of one and I'm curious as to who is working on transplanting cloned organs and who's using the lattice work to create you know structure for organs to grow on.
The last I heard it was Coming along well with the bladders and ears and things with the cartilage and was learning how it was going with kidneys.
Kidneys are a slightly more complex organ than, say, a liver is.
Right now, they have made livers for mice already.
They've also made pancreatic islet cells in an attempt to cure diabetes.
And they have used this architecture that I think you're referring to, this sort of lattice work, Right.
This is what gets involved in an area called stem cells.
And if, just take a second, the earliest cells in an embryo are what are called totipotent stem cells.
They become all the different cell types in the body.
So the idea is if you can get a totipotent stem cell, direct it to become, say, a liver cell or a heart cell, you could make a new organ that would be perfectly compatible to the person who needs it.
So that may be directly ahead.
People are working on that now in institutes all across the world.
So you couldn't really take a sample cell off of an existing kidney and say, It's already in someone's body and create a good copy of that from that.
Not yet.
You'd have to use stem cells to start it.
You need to create stem cells and then try to direct those stem cells to create the cell type you need.
They've already done this procedure to create nerve cells in mice and heart cells in mice and so work is progressing in this area.
We're about to have a big national debate in this country about the future of stem cell research.
And you're going to be hearing a lot more about it in the next few months.
Do you think, Brian, the Bush administration is going to put the clamps on this?
What's going on with our government?
We have not passed laws against it, will we?
Well, you know, that's the $60 million question at the moment, Art.
At least that much.
Yeah, no kidding.
Tommy Thompson, the new Secretary of Health and Human Services, He was testifying just the other day before Congress and saying that he was troubled by the ban on federal money being used for stem cell research.
The Bush administration has sort of hinted that it's opposed to it.
So now you've got these conflicting signals and nobody's really sure what's coming down the pike.
So we're all going to have to wait and see, including all those except the secret labs that may well be doing it already.
That's right.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brian Alexander.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Brian.
This is Sharon up in Southern Idaho.
I thought that there was a problem with the age of the DNA, that they discovered this with Dolly, so that if you were trying to clone someone who Was an older person or someone who had passed away, or whatever, that could have trouble with the DNA?
Oh yes, she's right.
I remember that.
What's the deal, Brian?
Well, there was cellular testing done on Dolly, and it herself appeared that they measured what's called the telomere.
It's an area of a chromosome at the end.
And they appeared to have to be accelerated in their aging.
They sort of picked up where the other animal from which Dolly was cloned left off.
That turns out to not be a problem.
Dolly has lived a perfectly normal life.
She's about six and a half years old now, which is actually longer than the basic sheep live on a farm because they go to slaughterhouses, but does not seem to be aging any faster.
It's also turned out that, for example, cows seem to be actually younger.
Oh, really?
Yep, and the cloned mice have lived up to 30% longer than the normal mouse lifespan.
All right, I think what I heard you talk about were, some people pronounce it telomeres, or... That's right.
All right.
These were supposedly virtually kind of like a fuse on a firecracker, only instead of the firecracker going off, when you run out of length of these telomeres, you die.
That's the idea.
What happens is cells die.
Cells have a certain number of divisions they can go through, and with every division you sort of... And the telomeres measure how many divisions, basically?
Yeah, but roughly speaking, that's about right.
All right, but that somehow does not, now you're saying, get duplicated in a clone?
It doesn't appear to be making Dolly die any faster.
Her cells seem to... Wow!
There are conundrums yet to be figured out in cloning, but this doesn't seem to be a problem.
if i were to uh... seek you in front of a congressional committee
uh... trying to decide whether there should be legislation on cloning what
would you i'd say
means should be should be be able to clone people How should we proceed?
In other words, should this be carefully controlled by the government, experimentally?
Should it be as it is now, where virtually anybody can do anything they want, or something in between?
I think it ought to be about the way it is now, because currently the FDA has a ruling that says that if you want to try to clone a human being, you have to file what's called an Investigational New Drug Application.
Now, that is of dubious legal standing, and if anybody were to challenge it, it may very well fall.
But do we really want the government to be involved directly in the practice of medicine?
Currently, the government does not regulate, to a large degree anyway, the practice of medicine.
You're free to go to your doctor and he's free to try things on you if you agree to it and you have informed consent and so on.
If you regard cloning as a potential IVF procedure, for example, for infertile couples, suddenly the government is giving approval to that or not approval to that.
That is what they do in Great Britain.
There is an authority, a board, that decides what kind of IVF procedures are legal and what kind aren't.
Even though you see troubled times ahead in cloning, you still don't want to close it up?
You don't want the government clamping down on it?
There's a great deal of biomedical research that relies on the technology of cloning.
Stem cells and the creation of organs is a very good example.
Curing of Parkinson's disease and so on.
It all uses the same cloning technology.
It just doesn't make babies.
That if you start to muck around in that with legislation, sometimes you can end up banning the very thing you want to promote.
Sure, sure.
On the other hand, if Dr. X in Laboratory Z produces a human clone that is a kind of a Frankenstein monster, but unfortunately lives, what kind of situation is that, Dr. X?
Just hit the nail on the head with what people who work in in vitro fertilization, people who work with stem cells, this is what they're terrified of.
The last thing they need with people's fears about biotechnology is to have some freakish baby show up on TV somewhere and have a big outcry to ban all sorts of things.
That's why they're so very offended by the people who have gone public and said they want a clone.
I see.
So, that is the biggest nightmare.
That's the biggest nightmare.
And it's a probable, a fairly probable nightmare as well.
Well, I would consider it a possible nightmare.
I would not necessarily consider it a probable nightmare.
We might have time for one more.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Brian Alexander.
Hi.
First time callers, area code 775-727-1222.
Merle, hold on.
I'm going to have to take that out.
We don't use all of your name.
Just your first name, Merle.
Where are you, by the way?
Right now, I'm currently in Kansas.
I'm out of Missouri, myself.
Alright.
I got two questions.
One I just want to refer to.
In 1990, a news report about 9 o'clock in the morning, due to a man trying to transport an apple through time.
We can talk about that later, but I want to find out, now you had an article that you had read.
Sir, we're talking about cloning here.
Yes, yes.
We're talking about cloning.
So do you have a question about cloning?
Yes.
The Resident Pup, I should say, in Area 51, you had a news article or letter that you wrote.
All about cloning.
Yes, yes, yes.
The character, R.V.
Bean, was transferred through cloning.
Yeah, alright.
Actually, he's right.
I read a letter that indicated that at the infamous Area 51, that's fairly near me, there had been... You know, we were talking about our government a moment ago.
It's almost hard to believe that our own government could resist The temptation to experiment in this area for all kinds of reasons, Brian.
One of them would be, of course, the perfect soldier.
Somebody with very strong physical traits.
Somebody psychologically predisposed to being kind of violent.
You know, somebody who would go out there and kill and break things.
Right.
So is it possible, in your estimation, that our own government could have been experimenting in this area?
Well, the government is experimenting, for example, in the use of nuclear transfer technology, cloning technology.
But if you're asking me if I think the government could be trying to create the perfect soldier through cloning, I'd say no.
For one thing, they're going to get a baby.
that i've got to take care of that baby for the baby get old enough to become a
folder without those that's what i thought you're gonna have a a
water the baby but you've got to deal with uh... secondly you've got a
you've got a totally brainwash the people do have free will on a clone
would have free will to pick anybody else would that there's no such thing as
drones of you know uh... core of drones or slave clones or if you know what we
we are dna plus our environment right that's right that's what the constitution
so if the government were to clone and get all the right aspects
physically and uh...
the trend psychologically then providing the right environment might provide the
kind consoled in the local sam wants well
sure but you know reboot camp of the pretty good job of that right now
Yeah.
Well, I remember the first two days I cried down in San Antonio.
I said, Mama, Mama, why did I do this?
Hey, listen, Brian, I want to thank you for being here tonight.
Sorry it was such a short stay, but you've really been very informative, busting up some of what was thought to be fact about cloning, and I thank you.
Thank you, Art.
Take care, my friend.
Bye.
Guess what?
We're going to open lines, folks.
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I really want to breathe in you.
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You're my...
Mmm, my love.
I really want to know you.
I really want to know you.
Can't hide myself in sorrow while you play your kingdom game.
Silver threads and golden needles, and I'm in this heart of mine.
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You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 7, 2001.
Are you ready?
We're going to do it.
We're going to open lines, everybody, and that means that you can talk about anything you want.
But I'm going to tell you right up front, what I'm looking for is the weird.
I'm looking for those who claim to be the Antichrist.
Dan, you ought to see my email right now.
Art!
You've got to interview him!
It'll be the coup of the century!
Art.
Don't you dare interview him.
He'll take your soul.
He'll suck your soul away from you.
I'm getting lots of email like that.
and by the way uh... and Kathleen Keating's webpages uh...
part of it's up on ours right now so you can check it out and see what
Kathleen Keating said about the antichrist
on my website right now under what's new Alright, prepare thyselves for here comes open lines and I
can't guarantee what's I never can.
But I am looking for those who claim to be the Antichrist.
I am looking for time travelers.
I am looking for the truly bizarre.
We'll see what we get.
You've got the numbers.
We'll get underway in a moment.
Yesterday, a lady called, and I... Boy, did I agree with her.
All of these school shootings have been boys, not girls.
Well... Not even 24 hours later, The Associated Press reports an eighth-grade girl shot a 13-year-old female classmate during lunch at a Roman Catholic school Wednesday before being subdued by the school administrator.
She's alive, and I guess she's okay, but she's been shot, and by a female, by a girl at that.
And then the one other thing that I wanted to get out to you tonight, because I thought it was quite striking, and I note the mainstream press doesn't seem to be exactly jumping on this, is the following.
Forget the fact that some 1,500 assorted nuts, bolts and chunks may rain down upon the Earth when Russia's vintage space station Mir plummets home again in about 10 days.
It's the mutant space fungus that we should first fret about.
After 15 years of festering away in various air ducts, control panels, aboard the old orbiter, some mystery mold is also along for the ride.
Yuri Karash said yesterday at a press conference in Moscow, quote, I cannot overstate this.
A realistic problem exists, end quote.
A former cosmonaut, now journalist, former cosmonaut, mind you, he became unnerved after reviewing mere documents at the city's 38-year-old Institute of Medical and Biological Problems, which once designed a life support system for heavy interplanetary ships.
In other words, this is no lightweight.
This is a former cosmonaut who ought to know what he's talking about, saying, forget about the hardware.
Worry about what's growing on Mir, because it's coming down with Mir.
All right.
Let's see what awaits out there in the vast unknown.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
On the air?
Yes, on the air.
Turn your radio off.
Oh, yeah.
I was just getting ready to do that, actually.
I'm turning on the old volume button here.
Well, we'll wait until you do.
Got it.
I got it.
Nope.
It's still there, dear.
Okay.
Turn it off.
All the way off.
If you have to, what you do is... There we go.
There you go.
All right.
That's all right.
Where are you?
I am in Columbus.
My name is Christy.
Columbus, Ohio.
Ohio.
There are several around the country.
Yes, I understand.
Yes, well, what's on your mind?
Actually, I'm calling because I'm looking for someone to help me.
When I was younger, someone told me that I was going to be involved in a cataclysmic event.
And that was someone who wasn't my mother, who also told me that.
How old were you when you were told this?
The first time it was told to me was when I was 15.
That's a hell of a thing to tell a 15-year-old.
Well, it was kind of an unusual situation, and later it was elaborated on by my mom, slightly.
You mean your mom knew about this too?
She never knew the person who told me.
She's gone now, so I can't have her help me explain to you.
When you say cataclysmic events, what kind of magnitude are we talking about here?
We're talking about a world change, I do believe.
It's said that I was to be fighting in this.
Fighting?
Fighting in this.
I'm assuming for the greater good, because he was a good person, and I try to be a good person.
How do you know you're not fighting for the other side?
The other side?
Now, see, there's the question.
I mean, it is, after all, not a great opening of minds in the world and hearts.
You said cataclysmic event.
Yeah, it was going to be a great war.
See, now, wars and cataclysmic events are not generally thought to be the work of, you know, him, but rather the work of him.
Of him.
No, not to be that I was going to... We're not talking World War III here.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Well, on the one hand, you said it's a war and it's worldwide.
Yes, but not... Gosh, it's so hard to explain now.
He was a spiritual guy.
He knew a lot of things that...
Things are like my mother knew.
She's a little bit psychic.
Pretty people in my family, they're like that.
So then you're actually a trigger for all this?
Nah, I'm not saying that I'm a trigger.
I'm not even claiming any kind of divinity here.
I'm just saying that I'm looking for someone to help me understand what he was talking about.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
It's hard to explain.
No, I don't because of course nobody but He who told you, and perhaps your mom, who's now gone, you say, would be able to tell us what it's all about.
Right, right.
Well, okay, little itty-bitty bit of background.
Quick, quick, quick, pro quo.
Very quick, yes.
Yes.
I'm 25 now, and I should be dead.
Usually people live longer than that.
Several times I should have been dead.
I've been involved, or at least in presence of several violent events around me and have come out unscathed.
I survived hitching across the United States twice.
Really?
During my mid-teens.
You hitchhiked across the U.S.
twice?
Yeah.
You are lucky to be alive.
Yeah, and my father was an evil demonic man.
He was?
Well, then what makes you think that you don't have the mark?
I mean, have you gone into the bathroom, pulled your hair aside, and looked for the, you know, the sixes?
Yeah.
No, I don't feel... I'm not even sure where my beliefs are in that area.
Well, it doesn't matter where your beliefs are.
You said now you're telling me your father was a truly evil man.
Oh, he was horrible.
Horrible.
Alright, well, you know, the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree.
God, do you think that I'm not mean?
Well, I'll tell you what.
Here's what I want you to do for me.
Okay, please.
I want you to go to the bathroom, and I want you to pull your hair apart and look for any sixes.
And if you see so much as one six, I want a return call immediately.
I don't think I'll see any sixes.
Well, how do you know?
I've got a set of red wings on my back.
You haven't looked yet.
You look, and you let me know, dear.
Thank you.
Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, this is Judge South of Phoenix.
Hi, Judge.
How are you, Art?
You know, you have a kind of a fascination with wanting to get the evil people on.
Well, I have a propensity for getting them on.
Did you hear the last call?
Right.
But how about the good guys?
Where are they?
Well, this is the guy with the halo on his head.
Remember, a long time ago?
I remember you, yes.
You said you actually have a halo that people can see.
Yeah, it's been going on.
I want to know where the photograph is.
I mean, if you can see it, then you can take a picture of it, right?
All right, well, I'll try to get one to you, but... You understand that some of us doubt these things.
Halo is a really big claim.
Well, I get free coffees a lot.
That's one of the perks.
I'm sure you do.
Yeah, but... They probably take you away from gas pumps and stuff.
Yeah, well, it's...
I'm sort of like the opposite of the Antichrist, you know, and Kathleen put out a lot of stuff the other night that... Well, there was a good person, Kathleen.
Yeah, she's a good... I agree with her on a lot of things.
Wouldn't you like to hear a debate between Kathleen and the Antichrist?
Would that be a show or what?
Yeah, well, since we already know who he is, or most of us think we do from her, we don't need to have any of these Wannabes calling in, right?
Well, you can't know for sure.
Well, no.
Because if you read what Kathleen had there, it's obvious there's more than one Antichrist.
I mean, she says so herself.
This was before I ever said anything.
There are many... Wannabes.
You call them Wannabes.
You know how we talk about angels that come appearing as angels of light?
You know, where they're actually evil, but they look like they're good?
Yes.
The mainstream Christian world would certainly say that I was evil when they see me.
Why?
Because of your halo?
Yes, because I come in appearance as an angel of light, actually physically.
Well, I'll ask you the same thing I did to the last young lady.
How do you know that you are not appearing good, but really are not?
How do you know that your role in life, such as it is on this planet, has unfolded all the way?
There may be a surprise or two ahead for you.
Well, it's 50-50, okay?
I mean, I could be... Alright, see, there you are.
You know, I could be... I'll give you that.
But I don't believe that I am.
I think there's plenty of evil people out there that are going to be calling as soon as I get off.
I'm sure Hitler thought he was a great guy.
Well, what I'm trying to tell you is, and all the nice listeners and everything, is that We really don't have to worry that much about all the stuff that's coming down because I'm here.
All right, well, we'll all rest at night for knowing that, sir.
Especially in view of your 50-50 odds regarding the eventual outcome of you, good or evil.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art, how you doing?
I'm well, I'm all right.
This is Brother Dennis from Wisconsin.
Brother Dennis.
Yes, sir.
I got a couple things for you.
That'll make some of these people seem like a bunch of pikers.
Really?
Oh yeah.
Alright.
Okay.
Well, first of all, if the Bible is untrue, then any idea that comes along is as good as the next idea.
But, if the Bible is true, there are a lot of people in trouble, especially Christians.
And a lot of my callers.
A lot of your callers.
For instance, most Christians in this country believe That they will be raptured out before the tribulation.
I think that's mostly the Born Again group, isn't it?
Mostly, but there's a lot of those in this country.
Well, yes there are.
Sucked up like a vacuum cleaner.
Gone.
Kind of.
And there's a lot of people out there sucking them up.
And if they believe in the Bible like they say they do, the Bible points out in three
books in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.
Do not quote scripture.
I will not.
Thank you.
That the Christ will not return until after the tribulation.
So therefore, these people who say they will not be here during the tribulation are being
deceived.
For instance, it says that the meek will inherit what?
The Earth.
Correct.
But they say, no, we're going to go to heaven.
Okay.
Well, maybe the meek will actually inhabit Mars.
It's got a real thin atmosphere.
The weather's lousy.
Sir, I've got to run.
I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, let me turn my radio down.
Oh, right away.
Do that right away.
Everybody, have your radios next to you so you can turn them down right away.
I'm doing fine.
Uh, yeah, I'm, um, I'm calling to, uh, explain... Turn your radio off.
I'll try to get it all off.
Why is this so, you know, it's just one knob on a... There we go.
Alright.
Um, I want to explain to the people, uh, because I've been given information, uh, about Chupacabra's Bigfoot.
They are indeed Uh, pets.
Intelligent pets.
They're pets?
Extra-terrestrial.
Have you seen a picture of a chupacabra?
What's that?
Have you ever seen a picture of a chupacabra?
Uh, yes I have.
Does that look like a pet to you?
Uh, yes.
Well, it doesn't look like a pet I would want to own.
No.
So where do you get the idea that they'd be pets?
They suck the blood out of animals and possibly even people.
All the blood.
Out, sir.
Now, that's not a pet-like thing to do.
No, but they have to eat, too.
They have to eat, too.
Basically, they're intelligent, though.
On the other hand, they are actually... Why?
Because they only eat Canadians?
No, they'll eat any goat.
That's why chupacabra means goat sucker.
Right.
And they suck the blood right out of the goat.
All of the blood.
Right.
But this is not a pet quality.
Now, I grant you they have to eat too, but it's not a pet quality.
Yeah.
And the same for Bigfoot.
They smell poorly, I've been told.
They make obnoxiously horrible sounds.
Right.
Have you ever heard of Bigfoot?
No, but I've heard of people that have been on board UFOs that have smelled some awfully gross smells.
Well, listen very carefully.
Now, does that sound like your average pet?
Yes, it does, to an extraterrestrial, because they don't really have to work closely with them.
Are you an extraterrestrial?
Yes, I am.
Oh, you are?
I was an experiment that was conducted.
Which was a failure or a success?
It was a failure.
That's why they didn't take my embryo.
You're a failure.
I'm a failure.
Are you deformed, or in some way deformed, or mentally unbalanced?
Some people might say so, yes.
But I would like to say that in general the reason why no one ever gets a Bigfoot is because they do have a base underground and they let them out to do things because they were at one time outdoors creatures.
And so they do like to, you know, run around up here on our planet every now and then.
Yeah, but they seem to disappear.
And so I suppose their being underground would account for how they disappear so readily.
What were you an experiment?
I mean, what kind of experiment were you?
What were you supposed to be?
I was supposed to be a new hybrid that looks like a human, has all the attributes of a human, but would have an alien intelligence.
So in what way are you screwed up?
Uh, it didn't, it, I don't, I'm not sure, it just didn't turn out right.
But I am, I am constantly bombarded by, uh, sightings of UFOs that I can't, I can't readily, uh, explain why they keep, uh, keeping check on me, even though I'm a failed experiment.
But maybe they're trying, maybe they're trying to destroy you.
Uh, well, I don't know if they're trying to, if they want to destroy me, I'm sure they could have done it a long time ago.
Well, maybe they're just picking their time.
If you're a failed experiment, perhaps you can only be allowed to go so long, and then you've got to be... Oh, you think?
Erased.
It's possible, you never know.
But as far as the Chupacabra goes, it's the same deal with them, except...
They don't live underground, they live in the UFOs and stuff.
Name one lovable pet-like quality of a chupacabra.
Uh-huh, and... No, I said name one lovable pet-like quality of a chupacabra.
Uh, well, they got nice, soft bellies.
Oh, so you felt the belly of a chupacabra, huh?
Anyway... I've seen the outside of a chupacabra.
Give me a break.
They're all scales.
They're ugly.
They have giant teeth.
They have a bike that would take your thigh off right at the top.
Come on, pets.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air.
And you're humming.
Uh, turn your radio off, please.
Yeah, it's all right.
Oh, boy, am I destined to say this all the time.
Yes!
Uh, this is Al from Susquehanna, PA.
Yes!
I'm not the Antichrist.
I do have a little news flash for you.
I just stay on ABC News.
All right.
It's out of the back.
They showed a picture of it.
Oh, I know.
You're talking about Dean Kamen's thing.
They show a picture of this two-wheeled scooter.
Right.
Well, you know, great if it's hydrogen-powered, but first of all, the thing doesn't look stable at all to me.
That's number one.
Does it look stable to you?
Well, it's gyro-stabilized.
Well, I'd want to see some people gyro-ing down the street before I'd be willing to give it a try.
I want four wheels, not two.
That's for sure, yeah.
And these, if you haven't seen it folks, these are not two wheels, one in front, one in back.
These are two wheels right next to each other, right?
That's right.
Doesn't look stable to me.
And it doesn't look like those wheels are like drive wheels either.
And it looks like something that a six-year-old would go down the street on.
Right.
So, I don't know, if that's it, I'm not all that impressed.
Now, they do say the engine is really the main event, that the scooter is not it, but that the cell they're going to use, the hydrogen cell, is going to be the big event that eventually it'll work for cars and all the rest of it.
But I've been hearing about this for years.
Well, that's all I got.
Alright, thank you very much.
You've got a very hummy phone, by the way.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hi, how you doing?
I'm doing all right, sir.
You must be in a truck.
Yes, I am.
Sorry, I had to cut down the noise here.
Okay.
Okay.
Is this art?
Yes, it is.
Go.
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
Okay, I wanted to address your show that you had last night with Richard there.
Yes.
I have been on the road for a couple days here, and I haven't had a chance to look at my computer.
But I was wondering, um, he was saying that the, uh, the soil composition of Mars was highly silicate?
Uh, yes.
Okay, um, what, in those areas, what's the, uh, like, the volcano activity like there?
I was wondering if there was... Volcano activity?
All right, sir, I don't know.
It's a secret.
Richard would have to tell you.
I really, I don't know the answer to it.
I'm sorry.
I don't think there are active volcanoes on Mars, but then again, I didn't think there was water, either.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from March 7th, 2001.
Closer Let me whisper in your ear Say the words you long to hear I'm in love with you Listen!
Do you want to know a secret?
Do you promise not to tell?
Open light, is power City lights, paint the door In the day, nothing matters.
It's the night, turn the platter.
In the night, no control.
Through the wall, something's breaking.
In the night, no control Through the wall, something breaking
Wearing white, as you're walking Down the street, a box all moved
You take myself, you take myself under control.
You got me living only for the light.
Before the morning comes, the story's told.
You take myself, you take myself under control.
Another night, another day goes by.
I never stop myself to wonder why.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired March 7th, 2001.
Indeed I do, and listen tonight as they come out.
One after another.
We're into open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game, but I am looking for the odd.
Those claiming to be the Antichrist.
Time travelers.
Area 51 employees.
The usual crop of, uh, strangeness.
All of that.
We're open for all of it and of course anything else you want to talk about right here.
Now, back into the unknown we go.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, this is Linda.
Hello, Linda, how are you?
Good, my radio is not on.
Oh, Linda, you're a good girl.
Where are you?
I'm in Portland, Oregon.
Portland, okay.
Anyway, I wanted to call to tell you about my nephew.
I was actually there when he was born.
I wasn't in the room, but I was right outside.
It was kind of a stressful delivery.
He had this thing called meconium where he sucked in a bowel movement while he was being born.
It was rushed by me really quick.
Of course, my brother was freaking out the entire time thinking he was going to die.
I just remember when they took him in front of me, I felt this cold chill and I really Got sick to my stomach thinking he was going to die, but then I just felt this presence.
Anyway, I never really told anyone about that.
So in other words, you're telling me that the little one was evil.
It just felt really cold, and I'd felt other things before and seen things.
And how long ago was this?
This was five years ago.
So in other words, our little tyke is now five years old.
Yeah, and see, we've always joked, my boyfriend and I, about him being evil, you know, because He was born on June 25th, and we always thought that was funny.
It was kind of like, you know, six months after Christmas, and we used to joke around and call him the Antichrist.
So, how is little Damien now?
Well, there's been incidents.
Like what?
Things with my other nieces and nephews.
You know, he tried to gouge out my other niece's eyes.
Oh, that's a sign right there.
Yeah, it was really... I didn't witness it, my boyfriend did and my father did.
And my father would never believe anything like this, so he took us all aside and said we need to keep him away from all the other children.
So we did that, but now hearing about it, when I heard your whole thing the other night about the Antichrist, I was almost relieved.
Thinking that he's been found and he's not my nephew.
I see.
Yeah.
And so what else has little Damien done?
Well, there's been animal incidents.
They live out really out in a farm town kind of about, you know, 200 miles away.
And there's been things they haven't been able to have a cat and he's thrown cats around by their tails, done things, you know, other things I'm sure that I haven't even heard about.
These are all just rumors too.
Among my other brothers.
Suppose something happened and you were suddenly in charge.
You had to take care of little Damien and raise little Damien from now on.
What would you do?
I don't know what I'd do.
See, that's what I'm really worried about is hearing about things.
Who knows what's going to happen?
Are there going to be missing things when he gets into his teens?
We've joked about this, thinking that we'd hear about animal mutilations happening.
And maybe, you know, but now that I'm hearing more about this, that there's, you know, there's maybe others out there, I would want to know what I'd have to do if I found absolute proof that you really are.
Well, most five-year-olds are just sort of pulling stuff off coffee tables and, you know, causing that, and little Damien's gouging out eyes and taking care of cats.
He doesn't really seem to have a soul.
You kind of look at him, you know, compared to it, because my niece is the same exact age.
Blank eyes?
Blank eyes, nothing there, but extremely intelligent with like block building and pictures and very artful and knows everything and talked very early.
Probably the first word it said was Armani.
Let me write that down.
Wow, this is really...
Anyway, I really consider this a privilege even talking to you.
Well, it's a privilege talking to you.
I'm a little worried for you.
I also wanted to ask you if Kathleen Keating had any type of advice, you know, how you'd handle it if I did find maybe something in his hairline when I babysat him.
Maybe you found like numbers?
Yeah, if I did, which I haven't, but if I were to find anything, what would I do?
You know, there'd be no way they would believe anything like this.
Well, there'd probably be no way you could live to tell us about it.
Really?
Yeah, so I don't think I'd look.
Well, maybe I would.
I don't know.
Stay in touch.
And also, I wanted to hit on the Rods.
Rods?
I heard your show about the Rods the other night.
Rods, yes.
And are they still available on your website?
Oh, of course.
Oh, great.
What you do is you go to my website, you put your Chris Rover program, and then you go down to Past Programs Info.
All right.
And when you get down to Jose Escamilla's name, you'll see the link to all of the rods right there.
Well, thank you.
So you can still see it all, all right?
All right.
And maybe that'll help out a lot of other people at the same time.
I want to remind you, by the way, I'm not going to be here this Friday night, Saturday morning.
I want to say this again.
I'm going to be down in California at the Radio and Records Top Radio Convention, where I understand that I will be mono a mono with With a certain reporter back east named Matt Drudge.
Should be interesting.
Matt's had a lot to report about me and many others.
And I'm kind of looking forward to it.
Wild card line, you're on the air.
Hello.
hi art scientist in maryland outside of memphis in bahia mississippi this is
marilyn yeah on uh... sixty a m on your down the vrg first of all i just want to
thank you for the way you give each belief a forum uh... we can't even hear
I got a kind of a good ear, you know, I'm an entertainer and I sing and I got this ear that picks up on things, not that other people can't.
I don't even hear any kind of dislike in your voice when you interview someone.
We cannot tell what you believe and that's very good.
It's very good.
You know, you're so open.
The others, they cannot hide this.
Well, if I say... No, there's times when I say what I believe, or what I think, or what I really feel.
Otherwise, I do remain open.
That's the whole idea of this program, to remain open.
Right, but the others, I can hear it in their voices, and I didn't mean that you did not have a belief, but I meant that it just...
It does not, it doesn't come out in your voice.
I'm tolerant.
Okay, yes it is, and there's so few that are like you.
Number two, I heard somebody mention Johanna Michelson last night.
She is Hal Lindsey's sister-in-law.
That beautiful Side of Evil book, and I wish you could get her on.
It might be just www.johanna.
I'm sorry.
I'll tell you what though, I'd be glad to have her on if somebody will put me in contact, if you will send me contact information.
If you can get a phone number or something like that.
In fact, let me tell everybody about that.
When you want me to have a guest on, it's so much easier for me if you will supply some contact information.
Everybody wants John Edward right now from the Science Fiction Channel on.
Fine, I'll have him on, but I need a contact number.
And when you try and call John Edward, you get lost in In telephone hell, I mean, you just, machines are full and there's no way to get through, and so, you know, I've proceeded based on a number of emails that I've had, but there appears to be no way to get through, so when we get hold of John Edward, we'll see about it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, Mark.
Good morning, sir.
Where are you?
Well, I'm in South Carolina.
South Carolina, right?
David, South Carolina.
Well, it's not too controversial, maybe it is, maybe it's not.
I was just sitting on the website today when I was at the library.
The mirrors coming down around now are about 16th.
I was thinking that the HAARP system, this might be an advantageous time for the United States maybe to prove something one way or the other with the HAARP system.
Maybe a little target practice.
Well, the HAARP system, sir, is designed To not go into outer space.
It's designed to actually either burn a hole in the ionosphere, or reflect from the ionosphere, coming back to Earth, to look for tunnels and bunkers and that sort of thing, or to cause the ionosphere to change in some way, but not to go into space.
Now, of course, once the mirror crosses that line, I suppose Harp could take a shot at it?
Yeah, it's possible.
There's one other thing I was coming across, stuff I've seen the other day, I was reminiscing back about Carl Sagan.
It's been 20 years since Carl Sagan came out with Cosmos, and for me, it really gave me, it just explained things in the universe so eloquently.
Well, that was the magic, of course, of Carl Sagan, that he could take hard science and he could explain it so that everybody understood it.
The person closest to that now, I think, there probably are several, but Dr. Michio Kaku is probably the closest.
Now, if we could find another astronomer like Carl Sagan, with the abilities, the vocal abilities Carl Sagan had, that would really be something, wouldn't it?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi!
How are you doing?
I'm all right.
Where are you?
This is Noon.
I'm calling from Santa Rosa, California, listening to you on KSRO.
Yes, sir.
Okay, great.
By the way, I think I know why a lot of your callers are leaving their volume up.
Well, why is that?
It's because they're evil.
Well, it's an evil thing, that's for sure.
Yeah, right.
Well, regarding your earlier guest and talking about downloading consciousness into a clone and such, the concept that would be really scary for me is that you're starting from conscience, the original donor,
and you've got your clone ready and all that.
I guess a good analogy would be like, I'm a chain smoker of cigarettes, right?
And sometimes you'll take a cigarette and you'll light a cigarette from the one that
you were smoking before.
That's a real chain smoker.
Yeah, and it's hard to keep them lit, too.
Now, you've got the light coming off the, you know, you're still going with the analogy
here.
You've got the heat coming off the one cigarette and the other cigarette's lit, so they're
both lit now, right?
Yeah.
You still have the original light going on your first cigarette.
That's right.
So I'm afraid that if they took, if they downloaded, like, your consciousness, it still stays inside your head and now you've got two of you running around.
Well, that essentially would be correct.
And yes, sure, that would be correct.
And so the interesting question is, which one would have the soul?
Yeah, exactly.
That's the point I guess I'm making.
What if you've got the download of the new clone and all that, but your soul is still stuck in the old body?
It's like you paid money for nothing.
Well, you'd be soulless, but you'd still be conscious.
Yeah, you'd have a new clone running around, but you'd be still trapped in your old body.
You see what I'm saying?
Oh, I do, clearly, yes.
But, you know, for some people, I mean, for example, if you were dying...
I mean, you know, the very end, right?
You wouldn't much care, would you?
Here would be your opportunity to have a 19 or 20 year old body, whatever it is you ordered of, and continue living.
And believe me, as the last breath went out of you, a wheezing breath in your case, as a chain smoker, you'd want that new body right away.
Yeah, but I mean, if your soul is still stuck in the old body, it's like it hasn't been happening at all.
Well, I don't know about that.
I mean, we don't know how big a part the soul plays in the total constitution of a person.
Yeah, that's true.
It may be very separate from your intellect.
And believe me, people with money and intellect would pay lots of money to have a continuation of that.
Yeah, that's a real ego trip there, kind of.
Soul or not.
And so then, when you finally did expire, The question is, where would the soul go?
Would it go forward where it's supposed to go, or would it simply transfer to the new convenient body?
Yeah, that's the million dollar question.
Uh-huh, at least.
Do you have time for a quick Rod slash Worm story?
Rod slash Worm, sure.
Well, in 1986, I was working at a sawmill, and I was working swing shifts.
I got off very late, around two in the morning.
I used to live out in a place called Dry Creek Valley.
It takes a rural two lane to go from the sawmill to my house.
Now there's a very, very old graveyard there.
The road is called Canyon Road.
It's in a town called Geyserville.
It's had a long history for really weird things going on out there.
We've had big foot sightings.
I don't think so.
and such like that. As I was heading home and I was just passing the cemetery, there
is a long kind of up slope to the road, heading uphill. It is straight away, so you can see
a good 100, 200 yards. As I was driving up that hill, I managed to look up because I
had my high beams on because it is very dark out there, dark and pretty damn spooky. I
That's what, for the life of me, looked like, a big earthworm.
It was kind of a whitish-gray.
When you say big, how big?
Like the width of a two-lane country road.
Oh, that's really big.
So it'd be more like a sky worm though, right?
Yeah, it was floating about 30 feet off the ground or so.
I just had a stupid bug land on my copy a little while ago, and it totally freaked me out.
If I looked up and saw something like that, that'd be the end of me.
I'd run off the road.
I was driving rather slow because I was tired, and I was pulling green chain, which is hard work, and heading home.
And when I saw that, I punched it to the accelerator to the floor.
And the funny thing is that the next day I read in the newspaper down there in Santa Rosa, they had the county fair going on at the time, and there was A couple dozen people that saw two or three of these things.
The same thing.
They looked like earthworms.
They were moving like earthworms.
I'm surprised you even thought you could get away from a skyworm.
Well, thankfully it was heading from left to right as I was driving past, and thankfully it didn't follow me.
Scared the bejeebers out of me, that's for sure.
All right, sir.
I really appreciate the call.
Thank you.
Any other skyworm sightings out there?
That's something the size of a two-lane highway.
Flying in the sky.
A worm.
You look up through your windshield, and here comes a worm.
A giant sky worm.
Anybody else out there?
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Eric.
How are you doing?
No, I'm all right.
This is Jeff calling from Winnipeg, Canada.
Yes, Jeff.
I'm going to sort of jog your memory.
I guess it was about a year ago, you had a young fellow that was on the air that had developed something that you assimilated to a Jacob's ladder.
Oh, a Madman Markham.
Yeah, I think that was, he had tossed a screw.
It was more than a year ago.
Yeah, he had tossed a screw through the device, the small-scale device he made, and it disappeared momentarily.
And then reappeared.
And so he built, he built, he went out and stole a bunch of Transformers and built a giant model.
That's right.
Then, to top it off, he went out and had to rent a warehouse, because his parole officer wasn't real happy with him, rented a warehouse and made a giant model of what he considered to be a time machine and was going to walk through it.
Well, long story short, he's never been heard from again.
That's the reason I was calling you.
I never heard anything further to it.
Gone, gone.
No, I'm serious.
Not at the telephone number, not at the address.
I do a national show, he'd know to get hold of me by email or one way or the other, and he hasn't.
Man Man Markham is gone.
You would think, yeah.
One other thing, those of us that may have missed the show that you were talking about, the Antichrist, you had a caller on earlier that you had cut off because they had mentioned a name?
Yes.
On the air?
Yeah, and I'll do the same to you.
Don't mention it.
No, no.
I don't know the name.
That's just it.
I don't know quite enough of the story, and I'm just wondering... Yeah, well, if you'll go to my website.
In fact, I should repeat this, because everybody wants to know I know.
Go to my website, go to What's New, and the Kathleen Keating webpage.
Signed by Kathleen is there for you to read now.
You will be able to get it on my website now.
What's lost in Keating?
Her name, the guest, was Kathleen Keating.
Keating, okay.
And what she has written is up there to be seen now.
Well, thank you very much.
You're welcome.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air, good morning.
Turn off that radio, please.
Yes, hello?
Thank you.
Yes, hello?
Is this Art Bell?
It is.
Hi, I'm Kay from Las Vegas.
Hi, Kay.
Hi, I wanted to ask you, this is off all the subjects tonight, but one of your songs that you play every now and then, I've only heard it a couple times, it has the words Rockabye Baby and When the Wind Blows, and I've been trying to find out the name and the singer, so I could get a copy of it.
Really, that song really goes to work on your brain, doesn't it?
I love it, and I just want to get a copy, and I don't know the name or who sings it.
I couldn't find it in your bumper music.
Cradle Will Rock.
But it's an old, very old song.
You may have a hard time getting it.
And who's it by?
I have no idea.
Oh, well, at least I got the name.
At least you got the name.
So you can go into a store and say, Cradle Will Rock.
Cradle Will Rock.
Help me out.
Okay, thank you.
Alright, you're welcome.
They're probably not going to be able to help you out because it's a very, very old song.
I'll play it for you a little later this morning.
And maybe that'll help you hum it for the guy.
I'm Art Bell, this is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 7th, 2001.
Music playing.
Bye.
Well Jack be nimble, Jack be quick Jack jumped over the candlestick
He jumped so high up above He landed in the cradle of love Well rock-a-bye baby in the treetop When the wind blows the
cradle will rock So rock-a-bye baby in the treetop When the wind blows
Hi diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle The cow jumped over the moon
And on her way down she met a turtle dove Said let's go rockin' in the cradle of love
Well rock-a-bye baby in the treetop You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier
Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 7th, 2001.
You know that reminds me, this song by the way will get into your head and you'll be dreaming about it before you
know it.
I want to test the international line.
We're in current discussions with a telephone company trying to get all this straightened out.
Now, if you're somewhere else in the world, I don't care where you are, try the international line for us, would you please?
All you do is call the AT&T operator and have her call 800-893-0903.
So if people in all parts of the world right now would please try this for me, I'd be deeply, deeply appreciative.
Again, call the AT&T operator and have her call 800-893-0903 and let's see what we get on the international line.
and have her call 800-893-0903 and let's see what we get on the international line.
Okay.
All right, we're about to go back to open lines.
However, just one more time I want to say this, because I think the international line is dysfunctional.
We have done a very interesting thing.
We have taken the tasty Canadians and moved them from the international line to, respectively, the east and west of the Rockies line, along with Americans.
So then, now, all we have is the international line, supposedly international for the rest of the world, but I have my doubts.
The phone company is working very hard on this.
They have software that is supposed to allow this to occur, but I have serious doubts.
So, tonight I'm going to test the international line, and I have a feeling it's dysfunctional.
One more time.
I don't care where you are in the world.
What I want you to do is call the AT&T operator.
It's a free call.
It's absolutely free.
Call the AT&T operator.
Korea, Japan, Europe, South America.
It doesn't matter.
And have her call 800 8-9-3-0-9-0-3.
Once again, 800-893-0903.
Now, if you find that you're unable to get through on the international line, what I would like you to do is email me and tell me you couldn't get through.
And in that way, we will go to the phone company and say, see?
It's not working!
So, the way you would email me to let me know is to say, fire me off some email, let me know what country you're in, My email address is Artbell, that's A-R-T-B-E-L-L at MindSpring.com.
We'll use that address only for this.
Artbell at MindSpring.com.
And let me know what country you're in and the fact that you could not get through on the international line.
Or give it a shot and get through.
Either way, before the night is out, we will know.
And in the morning, we will talk to the telephone company, who you would think would treat somebody with a last name like Bell a little better.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, how you doing, Art?
I'm okay, sir.
Where are you?
North of the border.
North of the ball with Tasty Canadian.
There you go.
I wanted to ask you a question.
Sure.
Have you ever come across Any incidences where a child is believed to have been abducted, had an abduction experience, and experienced any hair loss as a result?
Only if they were dropped back to earth by their hair and it ripped.
Okay.
I'm just wondering if, because I haven't come across any in literature, and I have reason to believe that Myself and my children have been involved in abduction situations.
Oh my god.
Really?
Yeah.
And you all have hair loss?
No, no.
She's the only one that has that.
She?
She.
She's ten years old.
She's half bald on her top of her head.
Holy smokes.
And has been since about age four or five.
Do all of you remember this abduction?
You know what?
I don't remember all the details.
I woke up with this sleep paralysis kind of thing.
I'm positive somebody's there, but paralyzed so much that I'm blinded.
I can't even open my eyes.
Why do you think that she was abducted as well?
Well, because I was watching a TV program and they had an artist depiction of a gray on the program.
Yes.
And my son, who was three at the time, just enough to be able to talk properly, walked in, and he doesn't know anything about this stuff.
He walked in the room, sees the TV, stops in front of it, stares, and says, that's a bad man.
And I said, who's a bad man?
I didn't even entertain him.
I said, who's a bad man?
I understand.
I understand.
I got you.
I got you.
Obviously, you recognize the grave.
Now, one thing to know about, when you look at Grace, What do they need, sir?
What do greys need?
What do they need?
Yes, what do they need?
You said you saw a grey on TV.
So, I've seen lots of greys.
What do they need?
I don't know what you mean.
What do they need?
When you look at a grey and you consider a grey and you sit there and you... Oh, they got no hair.
There you go, they need hair.
Yeah, so... So maybe they're trying to figure out how to get hair to grow.
I have no idea.
Here's what my son said right after that, though, which convinced me that something happened to him.
After he pointed at the man and said he was a bad man, he says, they always make me go with them.
And I tell them I don't want to go.
And the way he said it, he was mad.
I tell them I don't want to go.
And I was like, my wife saw, she watched a light in the sky that watched her for a good 10 minutes.
She kept trying to wake me up.
I kept insisting, now let me sleep at the plane.
The minute I got out of bed, it took off.
I saw it leaving.
But, well, it took straight off.
How about your wife?
She's an adult.
Has she had any experiences?
Has what?
Has she had any experiences?
Beyond that, that she recalls, no.
But I don't quiz her a whole lot about it.
She's upset enough about my daughter.
But here's what I keep thinking.
I'm thinking, okay, you can lose hair due to exposure to radiation.
Correct.
What powers these things?
And then x-rays and all forms of radiation.
Oh no, you're absolutely right.
Alright, well thank you.
I suppose you could assume that they're powered by some kind of radiation.
That is quite an assumption.
One would assume even a more complex Alright, well let's try it.
International Line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hello Art.
Yes.
Hi, my name is Anthony.
I did get through on your International Line though, but I had to kind of do a little changes in the numbers that you gave.
I'm calling from Stuttgart, Germany.
Germany?
All right.
So how did you have to modify the numbers?
Actually, I called our German operator and she had given me the number of the international AT&T operator.
Okay.
Which was a lot different than the one you had on your website.
Well, I know, but once you gave them 800-893-0903, you got through, right?
Straight in.
All right.
All the way from Germany.
That's excellent.
Hey Art, I used to live up there by... I was living in Las Vegas out in Henderson a couple years ago.
Of course, yes.
I worked for Sprint, actually.
I'm a contractor for Sprint.
You actually work for the phone company, huh?
Yeah, well that's what I'm doing over here.
I'm Director of Technical Services for Deutsche Telefon.
Oh, so it figures you'd know how to get through.
Just a real quick little story for you here.
This happened about four years ago.
I was working for a contractor for Sprint.
I got approached by a company called Desert Industries that was doing some work out at the test site.
I'll tell you what, I was in Area 51 for about three weeks doing some work.
Flew out on Janus Airways a whole nine yards.
Had the Wacken Hut security all over me.
They have got enough fiber optic cable in that place to facilitate the entire West Coast.
Oh, and what do you suppose they need all that bandwidth for?
Well, I have no idea, Art.
I was only paid to do one small part of the job.
But you're saying that thing really has a lot of fiber to it, huh?
Quite a bit.
Quite a bit.
It's been a few years, but the people that call the show, I listen actually on the net here during the day.
Oh, that's right.
What time is it there anyway?
It's about 20 after 10 right now in the morning.
In the morning.
Alright, that would figure.
But I just wanted to call and let you know that all that stuff that they say about Area 51, I don't know some of the callers you have, but most of them that sound relatively intelligent.
I've been out there, I would imagine, or assume.
Well, sir, the scary is that I'll get out.
I know.
Do you know how much bandwidth it takes to transfer the contents of a human brain from one place to another?
I couldn't even begin to fathom that.
Probably about that much fiber.
I do know, though, that that was the most fiber cable optic interface system, the biggest one I've ever seen before.
I've been doing this for about 15, 20 years, so... Alright, well listen, I really appreciate your call all the way from Germany, and also the Area 51 info.
We put it together, you know, a little piece at a time.
No problem, Mark.
You guys have a good day, and keep up the good work.
Thank you, and take care.
Alright, there you have it, Germany.
And he was at Area 51, where there's more fiber than he's ever seen in his whole life, and there's a guy who works for Sprint, or worked for Sprint.
Ha ha ha ha!
Yes.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi Art, great to have you back.
Well, thank you, great to be here.
Hi, this is Sarah down here in Venus, Texas.
Venus, Texas, huh?
Yep, little town about the size of Trump.
Okay.
I was calling about the recent head shakers lately.
The school shootings, yes.
Yes.
I was wondering if you saw that Home video on Inside Edition this evening.
No.
What did they have?
They had a video shot during the summer from the shooter that just shot up San Diego.
And what was in the video?
Well, actually, I felt really sad for the kid.
He had just been moved.
Apparently, his parents are divorced.
And he's been separated from his mother.
Only talked to her a couple times a year.
And got moved out here from, I think, Maryland.
Yeah, I think it was Maryland.
He moved back to California and didn't like the school, didn't like the people.
He just absolutely hated it and wanted to move back to where he was from.
It was really chilling.
It's too bad, but none of it, in my mind, adds up to grab guns, start killing fellow classmates.
No, it really doesn't.
Do you remember when you were a teenager?
Vividly.
How everything was the end of the world.
If people hated you, then you were never going to get through it.
No, no, it wasn't that way for me.
I was wrapped up in radio and girls, and I spent a disproportionate amount of my day every day thinking about girls.
Well... That's what I remember as a teenager.
Oh yeah, especially for young boys, but... Yeah, absolutely.
I don't know, the more I think, if you look at all these, they're so stereotypical.
Most of these kids, if they weren't from a broken home and they were isolated from their family, the kids picked on them.
They just had so many things they should have been in psychological treatment.
I know, but there's about 10 million miles of difference from somebody who is disturbed or emotionally distraught or even depressed and somebody who walks around with a smile on their face, killing.
Well, there is, but when you get to that young I don't know that the line is that distinct for them.
They don't know the difference.
Okay, I remember 15 vividly, and I'm telling you, thoughts like that never entered my mind.
Well, honestly, no.
There was no room.
No, but then again, society has changed since then.
If you look at today, you don't have the same structures.
The family influences aren't there.
The societal influences aren't there.
Even the media doesn't pressure you to be good.
I mean, you look at TV, it's all violence, it's all hate.
They don't show sex or love, though.
They show hate and violence.
Well, they show some sex.
Yeah, but it's never in a loving context, is it?
No.
In general, I mean, there's a lot of... I think a lot of these kids are just handed over to society to raise.
Yes, it's true.
The parents aren't paying enough attention, because this kid was crying out six months ago.
That he hated where he was at, he hated the people he was with.
Oh, I hated a lot of places where I was.
And so were all, you know, most all of these kids were, and... I know, but you're talking about most of the teenage population of America.
I hate my parents, I hate my school, I hate this stupid little town.
I want to go someplace real.
I mean, that's every teenager.
Exactly, but where is it that parents actually figure out that they have to key in and decide, okay, my kid really does have a problem.
I think it's as much the parent's culpability They're not realizing that this kid is seriously stepping over the limit.
Because, yes, all teenagers go through these problems, but somewhere, somebody's not stepping in when they need to.
All right.
Well, I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
I don't know how you would discern where the line is.
Now, this young fellow talked to some of his classmates, you may recall, and actually said that he was thinking of doing this.
Now, there would be a good place to step in, I would say.
There's a place where it's obvious, but otherwise, do you remember when you were a teenager?
Do you remember when you were 15?
Do you remember the things you thought about?
If you're a guy, you probably were a whole lot like me.
And I have no idea what girls think about.
And then, of course, we had the previous day's caller thing squashed when a girl committed a shooting just yesterday.
Not 24 hours after we say, girls don't do that!
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, Mr. Bell.
I didn't hear a click or anything.
Well, we have a new fangled system here that's clickless.
Wow, that's great.
I've been listening to you for a couple of years.
Forgive me, I'm a little nervous.
I've never called a radio show before, let alone... So you're a virgin?
Uh, well, yeah, I guess.
Born Again, I suppose.
I think I called the radio station in 1970-something once.
Classy.
Born Again, then.
I'll have to do that.
Yeah, I'm calling.
I'm a little nervous, so please forgive me.
I've got that.
Just relax.
Yeah, ever since you picked up, my heart's been pounding about telling you the story I've only told two other people in my life about this.
Well, this will change that.
Yeah, I guess.
I'm just going to pretend that it's you and I on the phone.
Good.
And just forget that there are, you know, dozens of people listening.
Yes, dozens.
Alright, so tell me.
Are you familiar with the book by John Mack?
I don't know if you've ever had him.
I have, yes.
Oh, I've interviewed him.
I thought you have, but I wasn't sure.
Sometimes you forget.
Several times.
I had an experience, I believe it was 1992 or the winter of 93 in Rockland County on the The Palisades Parkway.
I don't know if you know the area, but for people that don't know the area, it's two lanes north, two lanes south, with a median between the two lanes.
It's basically sort of countrified around there.
Were you driving?
Yeah, I was driving.
I'm sorry.
Anyway, the median in the middle is probably about 50 yards wide and has trees right up the whole length of it, as far as you could go, with a few exceptions.
I was leaving my girlfriend's house.
It was probably about 2.30 in the morning.
She lives about 20 minutes from my house.
I live just on this side of the Hudson River in Westchester County.
I left her house in the middle of a snowstorm.
There were no other cars on the road.
There was a good five or six inches of snow just blanketing everything.
I was driving very slowly, for obvious reasons.
The road was stretching out ahead of me.
Um, the sky was bright and pink.
Um, there were no, uh, lampposts, no road lights on this road.
And, but it was pretty bright out.
And the flakes were big.
It was coming towards me.
It's like one of those nights where you drive slow because you're, you know.
Because you're afraid of dying, actually.
Because you're driving off the road, basically.
That's right.
Uh, there were no other cars on the road.
And I was actually driving along slowly, kind of enjoying myself with the serenity of the whole atmosphere.
And I had my window open.
It wasn't terribly cold.
And on the other side of the median, on the other side of the road where traffic should be heading in the opposite direction, all of a sudden what appeared pacing me on the other side of the road were what seemed to be very bright white headlights that were pacing me at the exact same speed.
You mean to say going in the same direction, same speed?
On the wrong side of the road, same direction.
And I was looking across at this, and I slowed way down, and this, what I thought was a car, slowed way down, and I thought, oh my God, if anybody comes up north, you know, we're going to have a nasty head-on collision here.
Well, at least you have that together.
I might have thought for a moment, oh my God, I'm on the wrong side of the road.
Well... Anyway... Yes, you have the talent for putting people at ease, by the way.
Thank you.
Anyway, this, what I thought was a car, was just pacing me, and I sped up and slowed down at certain points.
This was going on for, you know, about five to seven minutes or so, and then I realized that these lights were pretty high off the road.
Not quite treetop height, but I'd probably guesstimate it maybe 15, 20 feet high.
Even higher than a car.
I thought, you know, trucks can't fit on this road.
It's just not made for it.
It's cars only, no trucks.
And as I was slowing down, I was watching this car, thinking, oh my God, we're going to have a head-on collision.
It disappeared.
It just suddenly stopped.
Poof?
Poof.
Gone.
And I slowed down, looked back.
It was gone.
And I also realized on that particular stretch, there were no exits where this person could have gotten off, and all the exits would have had to have gone off in the other direction.
So it was a ghost car?
Or a ghost, but that's not it.
Alright, well then hold on and we'll get to it along with Dean Kamen's it, I guess, shortly.
Dean Kamen next year.
This caller right after the break.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell's Summer in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 7, 2001.
Music.
Music.
But a mother and child reunion is only a motion away.
Oh, little darling, I can't fall in love for me.
Remember Saturday, I know they say let it be.
Just don't work out that way.
Let me try one more time.
I don't care where you are in the world.
We've confirmed Germany so far.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 7th, 2001.
I'm very serious about this international line thing.
Let me try one more time. I don't care where you are in the world.
We've confirmed Germany so far. We know Germany can get through.
But I haven't heard from Australia and they're pretty frequent customers on the international line.
So, I don't care where you are in the world, call your operator and get the AT&T operator on the phone.
The AT&T operator.
That's the one you want.
And tell her you want to call 800-893-0903.
We are testing tonight to see if this line is truly international.
So far, we seem to have a pipeline to Germany, and that's about it.
Get on the phone.
And also, the second part of this is, if you cannot get through out there, send me email and let me know where you are and the fact that you could not get through.
Send that email to artbell at mindspring.com.
That's artbell at mindspring.com.
All right, let us experimentally, very quickly, go to the international line.
Hello there, where are you calling from, pray tell?
Yes, I'm calling from Hong Kong.
Hong Kong, China?
Well, Hong Kong SAR, Social Administration Region.
We are not quite China yet.
Well, that's right, you're not.
Alright, hold on one moment.
I hate to put China on hold, but I really have to because I have to finish up with this call.
Oh my God, China.
Hello there on the wildcard line.
Hi.
Let's see, we have the lights, they disappeared.
Yeah, I'm really sorry about being long-winded.
No, no, no, no.
Go ahead and finish up.
Go ahead and finish up.
Okay.
So, anyway, this light disappeared, and I drove all the way home thinking, my God, I hope that person didn't get killed.
And the more I thought about it, I realized I didn't see taillights.
I didn't see anything like that.
And I was wondering, like, you know, what kind of a truck this was that was doing that.
Anyway, I go home.
I didn't even pay attention to what time it was until I got in the house.
Yes.
And like I said, I left at about 2.30 in the morning.
Yes.
It's a 15, 20 minute ride normally.
Yes.
I got home, it was about 25 after four.
And I was baffled by why it took me two hours to get home when I was going, you know, 35 miles an hour.
Oh, there's an obvious answer for that.
They had your butt.
Well, let me tell you, I went to sleep and I had a very, very, very vivid dream.
That my car was sitting still on this road and I was surrounded by deer.
Deer?
Like one or two off to the right that I was looking through my windshield.
You mean like deer with antlers?
Like deer with no antlers.
No antlers.
And they were all watching me.
One through the passenger window and as I looked over to my left one was coming toward my window as though it was going to talk to me.
The deer was going to talk to you?
Like the deer was going to talk to me.
In my dream there was deer that was coming to talk to me and there was one off to the left to the side and in my dream my car door opened and they escorted me out and once I was outside of the car I stood up and I was facing where I came from.
There was a very bright light And the deer to the left of me reached up to hold my hand to walk me along somewhere.
It took you into its hoof?
Well, no, it was a hand.
It was a hand on a deer?
Right.
This was the only recollection I had of the dream.
In subsequent years, I've had flashes of continuations of this dream where all the deer had hands and they were taking me by both hands.
And I remember how I was feeling very calm and very relaxed.
And it wasn't until a few years later, after I was having more flashes of dream, where I was going towards the light and I looked back at my car, the deer were by my car and they were following me and there was one or two standing by this light, until I read this book by John Mack.
In his opening chapter, he tells how people have had experiences where they've experienced animals That have, or say, extraterrestrials that have deceived people into thinking somehow that they were animals or whatever.
Well, that's true.
You wouldn't be afraid of a deer usually.
Right.
So, it's funny, when I read that, it shook me up.
Do you eat venison now?
No, I don't.
No special hankerings?
No, sir.
All right, well, you know, it sounds to me like you've had an experience, and probably you ought to get hold of John Mack.
I mean, your story is really strange.
But the thing was, after that, it sort of triggered memories where I continued having flashes of dreams where I then realized that I was taken into a craft.
I understand.
And when I woke up that morning, and I never thought about it until I read his book, I had a scar, or let's say like a deep scratch mark, right by my navel.
That I couldn't understand where it came from the next day.
Like, how did I scratch myself in my sleep?
And it's like, I still have a scar there now to this day.
Do you really?
It's almost like a horseshoe kind of a shape thing.
Like a hoof?
Yeah.
And I've had, um, ever since then I've had, I don't know if you've ever heard of such a thing.
Oh God, I haven't.
Problems with digestion and all that sort of thing.
Yeah, the mark of the hoof.
uh... and i sort of you know i i i can hear that uh... it belch
uncontrollably time uh...
i don't know if you're going to have to thank you for the call
and the marketables uh... to china actually to hong kong
greetings from the pro-liberal you are really live in a really truly beautiful city i
I've spent some time in Hong Kong, and it's a lovely, lovely city.
Since things have changed, has Hong Kong changed very much?
It has changed a little, but normal life is still continuing on as we knew it before the changeover.
I think the changes will come slowly throughout the years.
By 2045, when the official takeover will happen, though, That's right.
And what do you expect then?
By then I believe China as a whole will be into the World Trade Center and Hong Kong still being a very economical power of Asia.
I don't think there will be too many changes because of the fact that there is so much here in Hong Kong to offer.
Shall we test and see how much monitoring there is?
What do you think will happen to Taiwan by then?
That I have no comment on.
I thought perhaps not.
You were able, though, to get through to our toll-free 800 line, which is very, very nice.
Are you a national of what country?
Are you native to Hong Kong?
No, sir.
I'm from the U.S.
You're from the U.S.?
And what's got you in Hong Kong?
Are you on vacation or do you work there?
I work here at present.
I see.
And I was just listening to your show, and by the way, I didn't even get a hold of an operator, it was all through voice contact.
All I did was I dialed the number, they asked me to recite the number I needed, I did, they confirmed it with a voice message back to me, and all I had to do was say yes, and then the phone started ringing.
That's absolutely remarkable.
What time of day, in fact, what day is it over there?
Today is Thursday afternoon, and right now it is about 7.45 in the evening.
Well, I really appreciate your taking the trouble to see if it would work, and now I can add Germany and Hong Kong together.
Correct.
Okay, very good.
Thank you very much, and take care.
Germany and Hong Kong.
That's great.
All right, we'll see if anybody else can make it.
That's very separate parts of the world.
Germany and Hong Kong.
All right, so get hold... You can try dialing directly, as he did.
That's amazing that he could get through that way.
Internationally, wherever you are in the world, give it a try.
If you can get through, great.
If you can't, email me and let me know why you couldn't and what country you're in.
The number internationally is 800-893-0903.
After I asked him about Taiwan, there was an awfully long pause there.
Not all of it due to the satellite connection, obviously.
He paused and was smart enough not to make a comment.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art!
Hello!
How are you doing?
I'm fine.
How's your digestive system?
Oh God, you don't want to ask that.
That's a whole other story.
I'm sorry I asked.
I just had to laugh because as I'm listening I understand what the gentleman is talking about.
It makes me wonder if the alien community has any idea of how bad their covering techniques are.
I've never heard of the whole deer story.
That was a little strange.
I had a friend inform me, she was very into the whole alien thing, and she was telling me that I obviously was an abductee from experiences I had told her about, and I was like, well, the less I know the better, because if I find out and then I find out I'm an abductee, what the heck am I going to do about it?
Just too bad, until they decide to come talk to us.
You're going to just worry about it if you know, that's true.
I want to do the comment on the whole gun situation that's been occurring in schools.
Guns, alright, yes.
Because I'm familiar with An atmosphere in a school community that will cause that kind of thing.
The first comment I have to get out, I've been wanting to say since it happened.
Columbine, the first real big story that happened?
Well, it was probably the biggest story, but certainly not the first.
Right.
I happened to be watching, I actually had the live coverage, I didn't see the repeats on news, I happened to be home that day.
Right.
And this girl, in weeping and sobbing in her misery, says, she's like, I can't believe, I mean, this kind of stuff is supposed to happen in the South.
This doesn't happen here, and I was like... Later in Nashville, Tennessee, I found that highly offensive.
Why the South?
I mean... Well, it's just, it contributes to the whole idea.
I mean, I grew up on the East Coast.
Delaware, right?
Yeah.
Considered a pretty mundane place.
The problem is, Delaware being 45 minutes from Baltimore.
You are Baltimore, Jersey, Philly, right?
Yeah.
I don't know, 45 minutes from just about anywhere.
We get all their problems.
They try to move out of that area.
It's kind of like us here.
We get the Los Angeles stuff.
Right.
The year after I graduated, they had security systems to scan you for weapons and stuff coming into a school.
Because they weren't going to play that game of, oh, it doesn't happen here.
And the fact that when I think about how many kids so far in the media in the last year have gone into a school with weapons, it's like, folks, Well, what were you like when you were that age?
You were a gang member?
A gang member?
Well, what were you like when you were that age?
I was a gang member.
You were a gang member?
Yes.
A gang member?
Yes.
In Delaware?
Yes.
I was actually a member of the largest white gang and we were partners with the largest
black gang in Delaware.
Holy smokes!
As a matter of fact, you sounded so sweet!
Thank you.
I am, actually.
Just don't cross you, huh?
It comes down to, you know, you have a group of friends.
And then your group of friends expands, and then someone else's group of friends decides that they have a problem with that.
You know, and that's basically how it develops.
At least in areas like that that don't have long time, like Bloods and Crips.
We didn't have all that, it just, you know, we were part of like the first ones that happened there.
And we actually have an FBI file where they investigated us for gun running.
For gun running?
Yeah.
Were you running guns?
Well... Don't want to say?
I'm like, what's the statute of limitations on that?
About seven years, I think.
Yeah, a little bit.
Not big enough that the FBI really needed to hunt us down.
Just little guns?
Nine millimeters.
Just a sweet little Delaware girl.
I understand, especially because I was a teen that when I was very, we're talking like eighth grade, I had a chemical imbalance that caused me Mental distress.
I was convinced the whole world was out to get me.
Oh, so we're going to blame it on a chemical imbalance.
No, no, no, no, no, wait.
I went in, but when I hit puberty, okay?
Yes.
It balanced all that out.
In the meantime, they had had me on a treatment, but the main problem was at that point my mental was so far out of whack, alright, that they had to, like, coax me back to convince me that the world is an evil place, that kind of thing.
Right.
But all of that was corrected All my therapy was done before I hit high school.
So, no, I'm not saying that that has the part to do with it.
My whole point, actually, I'll quit wandering around here, is that my mother always said that manners are the essence of survival in today's society.
And she's being proven correct by the fact that most of the kids that have decided, okay, I have to murder half my school, are the targets.
Like, the media really caught on to that whole trenchcoat mafia which was the mocking term that school
used to refer to those kids by. You know what I mean? And they all and I'm like I
don't believe it's a justification and I would love to know at what point I don't
know when we crossed the line where it was okay I'm gonna beat that kid
into the ground to okay I'm gonna shoot that kid
I don't know when that happened.
Because we were still beating people up when I was in school, you know?
See, you were part of the transition, because when I was in school, there were a few fights, but we didn't beat people up, you know, we didn't dart people and beat the hell out of so-and-so, right?
You walked up, the girls especially, right?
Yes.
You come up behind them.
And I'd come up to him like a buddy, right up next to him, slide my head up the back, kick my foot in front, and trip him, and then smash their face to the floor.
That was my favorite.
That was my register move, but only if they earned it.
See, you're like the missing link.
Back when times were good, and today's, go in and just start shooting while you're smiling.
You're the missing link, and I really appreciate your call there.
I've got to run.
She sounded so sweet, didn't she?
On the international line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, hi Art.
Hello there.
Yeah, hi, it's Gary here calling from England.
England?
Yes, I thought I'd phone up you.
We did ask for international callers.
Oh, I absolutely did.
What part of England are you in?
I'm from Liverpool.
Liverpool?
Yeah, the Beatles, yeah.
Yeah, it's usually harder to understand people who are calling from Liverpool because of their accents.
Yeah, well, I've lived here all my life, so... I don't suppose...
I'm any different than anyone else who lives here.
So, what else comes from Liverpool besides the Beatles?
I mean, that's history, right?
What have you done for us lately?
Well, for Americans, I don't think you'll know very much, but, okay, we call it football.
Oh, yes.
The football club.
I know England is pretty passionate about soccer, which you call football, of course, right?
Of course, yeah.
My team, of course, is Liverpool.
Why?
Maybe you can answer a question for me.
When England plays Germany, Yeah.
Too many times people get trampled, beaten up, and sometimes killed.
And why is that?
What is the psychology behind, you know, such... I mean, why is the feeling so bad between these two countries?
I don't know.
Do you think it's down to World War II?
Any possibility about that?
Maybe.
I think a lot of it's down to World War II, because I know the England fans at these games chant songs from certain films, like the Dambusters.
You may have a very good point there.
I mean, it really is a miserable thing.
I've watched some of the games.
I was at World Cup, as a matter of fact.
And some of that was pretty nasty.
Well, I mean, it's turned the other way now.
It used to be England.
They have what they call the English Disease, actually.
Well, it's hooliganism.
But now it seems to be worse in Europe.
might be a little when they travel abroad weeks ago fourteen of all
supporters were stopped by in front of senior
and on the you know none of the local to her by a ten-year-old son
michael although i think about your newsletter the after dark newsletter you
get there no it's on the ground track what is it off the website and
it's only for canadians and us citizens and that they won't send it to england
well it doesn't give you the option I'm personally outraged.
I'll check into it for you.
Listen, I'll check into that for you, but you've got to answer one more question for me.
Here in America, we're hearing an awful lot about mad cow disease there.
And how big a deal is it in England right now?
I mean, how scared are people of eating beef now?
Not as much as they used to be about three or four years ago, when they first admitted humans can contract the disease.
The Alaskan Conservative government used to say there's no chance a human can contract the disease of cattle.
But it's obviously not true.
People have died of it already.
And basically, people were scared about three or four years ago and they stopped eating it.
But I'm afraid they're eating it again.
So it wouldn't bother you one bit to go down and have a hamburger?
Well, I don't eat hamburgers.
I try to eat the best So in other words, it bothers you a little bit.
It does, of course, yeah.
And about three or four years ago, we were told on the news here that each person in the UK has probably eaten about at least 50 plates, 50 meals containing BSE.
Oh my God.
So if each person has eaten about 50 plates in an average lifespan so far, we're all going to get it.
And I suppose the And that was about three or four years ago.
Yeah, the period of time that it takes for it to show up can be a very long period, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I might have it now, everyone might have it, but... I'd be very worried about eating more of the junk type stuff like burgers.
Yeah, I can see that.
Well, listen, unfortunately, listen, I'm out of time.
I'm out of time.
I really appreciate your call, and I hope you will call me again.
Yeah, I will do, Alton.
Can you sign up for the newsletter, please?
Alright, I'll see what I can do.
You watch the website, okay?
Okay.
Thanks a lot.
Cheers.
Cheers.
It seems...
Very discriminatory, not to allow people in Europe to order my newsletter.
So, we'll see what we can find out.
Okay, Germany, Hong Kong, and now Liverpool, England.
Eh, not bad.
That's it, folks.
We're out of time.
I'm Art Bell from the high deserts.
That's it.
Night-night.
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