Kathleen Keating, investigative journalist and confidant of the late Father Malachi Martin, warns of suppressed Vatican prophecies—including the "real third secret of Fatima"—detailing the Antichrist’s rise, nuclear threats from Iraq, and Chinese border incursions. Her book The Final Warning claims divine-encoded Bible codes reveal global chaos, food shortages, and demonic influence, with Armageddon looming within five years. Callers debate idolatry, purgatory, and supernatural signs, while Keating insists God’s earthly warriors will resist the Antichrist before his final deception reshapes faith and governance. [Automatically generated summary]
Coming up shortly is Kathleen Keating, who is an investigative journalist who's been investigating the end time scenario for the better part of a decade.
Her book, The Final Warning, has been surrounded by anomalous activity and a lot of controversy.
Kathleen publishes a monthly newsletter, keeping people updated on the latest developments in the precarious end time.
She is continuing her research and writing a follow-up to the final warning, which is going to be called The Gates of Hell.
In a moment, Kathleen Keating.
Kathleen Keating also was a confidant of the late Father Malachi Martin, who was a very good friend of mine as well.
The first thing I think that we ought to cover is there were a number of people, Kathleen, who ordered your book, and I've had emails from some of them, and they still have not received your book.
So I guess what we ought to do is tell the book story.
You're aware there are people out there who have not yet received it?
All right, this is written to one of your customers, somebody who bought your book.
And it's an official letter from UPS.
It says, Dear customer, on behalf of United Parcel Service Canada Limited, please accept our sincere apologies for the problems you have experienced during the delivery of a novel called The Final Warning by Kathleen A. Keating.
I want to assure you that the fault in making timely delivery was entirely that of UPS and not Picasso Publications Inc.
or Premier Radio Network.
As a result, we wanted you to know that UPS takes full responsibility for this error and has taken measures to ensure that this does not happen again.
We value the trust that you place in UPS and look forward to the opportunity to serve you again.
And signed by a Vice President of Legal and Public Affairs for United Parcel Service.
They had a book distributor here in the U.S., and all of the orders from your show went to New York, except for one box that had 10,000 invoices in it.
And when they finally found it, and I think it was September or almost October, they shipped it to the wrong book distributor, a distributor that didn't even have my book.
And they consequently opened the box and found out that they didn't handle the book, so they sent it back to Picasso.
So it just delayed it and delayed it further.
And I've been making attempts since mid-summer trying to get people their books, and it's just been a terrible wait for them.
I still hear from people that haven't gotten the book yet, and I'll do everything I can.
We've got attorneys on it in Canada, or solicitors rather, that are after the books.
And they're going to try to guarantee that these people do get their books.
There have been people that have been reading the book and suddenly had a craving for Chinese food, although they hadn't had Chinese in three years, got up to go get the food, and a ceiling fan came down right on the place where they were sitting on the couch reading the book.
There are a lot of strange things going on in the world right now.
When you say a map to the future, give me a little, go ahead and take me on a little road trip here into the future and tell me how far we're going in.
We're going in right to the utter brink of Armageddon.
We're going headlong into the third secret of Fatima, like it or not.
Of all the horrors that go with that, the earthquakes, the uprisings, the wars, the nuclear annihilation of a major U.S. city, a massive earthquake that will take out a Midwestern city and swallow it whole, the UFO invasion, the New World Order that's coming.
We're being steadily moved on a daily basis towards that end.
We're being moved into internment camps that are waiting for us, guillotines that are not an urban legend.
They are there.
They are real.
We've got eyewitness reports.
We've got government informants talking about them.
It is, but I think it's something that you have to have.
And I think if you love this country, if you love your family, you need to read what's in there because it's government documentation of what they're doing.
We've got Russian defector statements in there of what Russia is planning.
They're not a beleaguered nation.
They're thriving militarily.
They're letting some of their people have a very rough time to meet that end.
But it's a bad scenario, and we are doomed to be invaded by Russia.
What they released last June was a lie, an outright lie.
The document that they released was too long for Sister Lucy to have released it.
We know that it was on one piece of paper.
It didn't contain any of the specifics regarding the third secret as far as the chastisements that the earth would see.
It made us think that the Pope being shot was the fulfillment of the prophecy when nothing could be further from the truth.
It was filled with misconceptions.
I was notified by a Vatican intelligence officer before they released that secret exactly that they would be releasing a bunch of gobbledygook that was meant to mislead and to mollycoddle people into thinking that we passed the bullet.
It's not going to hit us.
We're not doomed as we think we are.
And I'll be darned if that document that was released wasn't word for word for what the intelligence officer told me.
Not all of the Vatican, and I don't hold the Holy Father accountable for that.
But there are people in the Vatican, as you well know if you've spoken to Malachi about that, that people are doing some strange things there and manipulating.
He does to the point of directing something to be done.
That doesn't mean that people are obedient to him.
In May, when he was in Fatima, he gave us a very big clue that the dragon was raising its ugly head.
And that was straight out of the book of Revelation to tell us.
And that's part of the Fatima secret, the rise of the Antichrist.
He tried to tell us there.
And when the secret came out, the false secret, in June, it was so much like Pablo that it was hard to imagine that John the 23rd passed out when he read it, or that a 10-year-old would be frightened.
And you know that Father Martin said, and he said on the air about the third secret, that if you can imagine the worst, this is, It's much worse than that.
Even if you were to take your imagination, the worst that it could be, or whatever movie, and multiply it exponentially, it still would not be as horrific as what we're going to go through.
I never asked Father Martin directly because I didn't want to put him into a bad position.
I asked him to tell me in generality.
I've had it confirmed with other people as far as what's contained.
And it refers to very specific chastisements, both spiritual and physical, just horrible things.
You know, not only the rise of the Antichrist, the destruction of the Catholic Church, save a remnant part, terrible UFO problems that are coming, horrible earthquakes, just tumultuous earth changes that nobody can even fathom.
And is all this leading to something, to some crescendo, or is it just a long period of time and we will experience some little piece of that unfolding?
I mean, we're seeing the shootings occurring in schools, and some psychologists are even calling it Manchurian candidate kids, that they seem to just go off at opportune moments.
We've got the earthquake in Seattle.
I was fascinated to find that in the Bible code.
It even had 6.8 on there.
And I think we're just going to see one prophecy is that we're going to see mountains split to the ground and just disappear.
If you think of the United States, we're going to be split in half.
We're going to be invaded by the Chinese and Russians.
They're working together.
Just horrible things.
The heads of Americans will be on the light poles.
I'm sure you cannot read God's mind, but why do you suppose the first five books of the Bible are in secret code for only a select few, those who can afford the special decoder software from your net site to interpret them when all the rest of the Bible is readily available for all of us to understand?
And they're going to try, through this deception, to debunk the creation theory and to debunk God.
And I think that when you look at the Bible code, yes, the software is expensive, and it's really too bad, because I wish it were public domain.
Because what is in that Bible code is just, it's not like a Ouija board that you can predict the future, but it certainly has the overwhelming evidence of a God that's so great and so beyond our imagining that, you know, there's just no doubt that he exists.
In other words, that our beginnings are not as described in the Bible, that Genesis is not the way it all began, that evolution is, in fact, a scientific reality.
You know, I think if that happens, Art, if that comes about and people accept that, I think they will readily lose their minds within a short period of time, because I think God is the glue that holds us together.
And when you remove him, as we're finding out in this country, when you remove him from schools and the courts, we're going to suffer for it.
And I think that our minds will not be able to fathom the fact that he isn't there.
I think we know he is in our souls.
I think we're imprinted with that.
And I think that when this deception comes on, it's just going to make a lot of crazy people.
Now, I ask myself whether there really is an evil, an honest, to goodness, external evil force, as we think of the devil or Lucifer or, I don't know, whatever name you want to attach to it, a real external evil force.
You know, just before we do get going with this, I remember in the movie The Exorcist, and you're right, once the Exorcist had begun, the demon or the devil or whatever it was in that girl, and that was based on a true story, by the way, folks, began to tell the truth, horrible as it was, it began to tell the absolute truth.
It said who it was and all kinds of horrible things, but the truth.
Why is that?
In other words, why are they forced to suddenly tell the truth?
And he is helping people in third world countries, helping them with money and buildings and so forth, especially down in El Salvador after the earthquake.
He's got these people all over the world, and the UN is helping because they know the plans.
Okay, well, I interviewed his people, and I don't know why, but they asked for a phone number where I could be contacted, and I gave it to them.
And a couple of weeks later, it was really early in the morning, and my dog had to go out, and nobody else in the house was up, so I got the duty to do that.
So I got up, took her out, and I was in my pajamas, and opened the back door, and let her out to go down.
And she's quite a guard dog and very, very feisty and barks a lot and doesn't tolerate anybody messing around her house.
And there was this guy standing in the backyard in a Armani suit, charcoal Armani suit and a turtleneck with his long hair pulled back, very good-looking guy.
And I was like startled because there I was in my pajamas.
It was embarrassing, you know.
But the dog couldn't bark, and it was disturbing to me because it wouldn't take anything for her to cross the lawn.
I guess, you know, I had no idea that they would be coming back at it.
Yeah, I didn't even think about it, and I guess I was so lost in the research, it was like, well, you know, come on, they're not going to remember me from anybody.
Hey, listen, you can give your phone number to companies that sell meat, Kathleen, and you will get calls for the next two years trying to sell you meat.
Well, I've seen all the movies about evil and it seems to me that people like yourself working on a book like you did end up with two by fours through their chest.
I made a lot of calls and did a lot of investigations into what they were saying and who they were.
And I was able to track down that they really were tied to him.
And it was only by the grace of God and through a lot of prayer that I didn't fall for it, because it really would have been bad not only for the book, but for myself personally, my family, and our souls.
I have gotten so that I can, and I talked to Father Martin about this because I had had a couple of instances where I saw a man who was in the position of a police officer.
And he came to the house, and when he looked at me, there was nothing but abject evil in this man.
I wouldn't have even called him a man at that point.
There was something in his eyes.
And he was a friend of my husband at the time, and I said, he's not coming in the house ever.
And he said, don't be crazy.
I said, no, I'll prove it to you.
And I contacted Father Martin about it, and I said, is it possible for a person to see absolute evil in another person?
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
And since then, I've acquired perhaps more of physical reactions to people that aren't good people.
My stomach will flip-flop.
I get kind of an electrical charge around me that I can feel that.
Well, here's another thing for everybody to think about.
I guess certainly it's not universally true, but if people make pacts with the devil, and it's a thing they can do very easily on their own, if they crave something, if they crave a great career or success or money or some material thing in this world,
and they make their deal, then more times than not, Kathleen, our most powerful people, our leaders, our leaders of industry, successful people in the media, Hollywood people, you would have to imagine there would be a higher percentage of the perfectly possessed among this group than the poor and the down and out.
And usually these record deals are amazing, aren't they?
I mean, some of the money with ball players and so forth.
And you really wonder, you know, not that all the ball players are bad that are getting $100 million but sometimes somebody just does one thing and they're almost a billionaire overnight.
But if you look at modern American politics, how, for example, do you get to be a congressperson, a senator, or even more so with the presidency, how do you get to these high offices without lying, cheating, making deals with the devil, in a sense, because you need money, and so you make deals?
I mean, politics is the art of compromise, which is a nice word to cover a lot of sins.
And if you belong to certain organizations, as many of our recent leaders have, those organizations have given themselves completely over to the devil.
And so that they're just acting out the part.
I'm not so sure, Art, that it matters who gets elected anymore as long as, I mean, we know they're all members of the same club.
It's just which road they're going to take and which part of the club they represent.
Well, if you believe that, then it's like it's all a gigantic conspiracy, and it really doesn't matter who's elected because they're all sort of, as you point out, in the same club.
I don't want to Believe it, but the more I've seen, and certainly my current research has indicated that it is one big conspiracy.
That there are good people involved that may not be totally cognizant of what's going on, but the major players are well aware of what's going on and what they have to do to achieve it.
Well, through trial and error, and I think that you can confirm it with rabbis who, of course, know the Hebrew backwards and forwards, that they can find the code if they know where to look, that they can find those letters and how it relates from Hebrew into English.
And I think that you can find certain particular subject matters, I mean, like the Kursk was mentioned, the USS Cole was mentioned, things that, you know, how many people died on the ship.
Things like that that we couldn't possibly plug in.
It's not like, well, okay, three chapters later in the Bible we'll find another meaning, perhaps it relates to Dick Cheney or to the Antichrist for that matter, or George Bush.
The Secret Service took the Bible code so seriously when people have discovered that certain leaders might be assassinated that they're starting to listen to it and starting to believe that maybe it has some real meaning.
Do we know for sure whether there's been an increase in America, in fact in the world really, but certainly in America and in the Western world, demonic activity, possession, that kind of thing is really, really kept behind closed doors for the most part.
Do we know whether demonic possession is on the increase in our country or in the world?
Well, when I talked to Father Martin, he gave me some incredibly disturbing figures about the amount of possession, and he could only comment on his area in New York.
But he gave me some very disturbing figures about the incredible increase in just his area.
And you're saying you're able to verify that nationwide or even worldwide?
I don't know if they're completely possessed, but I think that they are controlled.
I think they allow that control, and I think they're utilized.
And I only say that from basing things on a personal experience that I had, that people can be gotten to, people can be controlled, and they can do things that they would not normally do.
And they become so engulfed in the doctrine of the dark side that they will kill at a moment's notice.
See, I ask you this because if it's against somebody's will, then the argument for punishment, if you really believe as you believe, has got to change.
But if you're saying that the person has to, in effect, make that deal and give their will or give themselves to possession or to the will or influence of the dark, then perhaps punishment as is met out in our everyday world, in the judicial system, is appropriate.
I hear of the smiling and the shooting, and it's so far out from any human experience, any frame of reference that any of us might have, that it really does seem like evil.
I have speculated for some time because of the amount of UFO sightings, the amount of paranormal activity, which of course we monitor disproportionately on this radio program.
And there's a tremendous amount of it, Kathleen.
Tremendous amount of it.
Waiting.
Yeah, that the veil or the separation between ourselves and what is on the other side, which you and I might agree or disagree on, is breaking down or getting thinner.
A lot of people, of course, are scared by what you say.
A lot of people are reactive to what you say.
Here's somebody from Dallas, Guy from Dallas, who says, Kathleen is so far gone, she can't see anything about the world beyond her own small description.
She's lost objectivity and judges all who do not agree with her or Father Martin.
A lot of people have holy pictures of Jesus and Mary and saints on their walls.
They may even have a picture of Grandma and Grandpa.
And those pictures will start to talk in the end times.
Von Busto, a prophet in the 15th century, mentioned that pictures would suddenly come alive, especially like of Jesus and Mary, that you have to follow this Antichrist.
Absolutely, and it would be very convincing, wouldn't it?
And I think that's going to be the problem with the end times, because a lot of people are seeing visions.
They're having dreams of Jesus that aren't really Jesus, because when they go to this particular person that is the Antichrist, and they go, oh my gosh, that's the guy in my dream, and that wasn't the Lord, they're like, they're floored.
More and more people are having the dreams.
More and more people think that the Lord is communicating with them or the Virgin Mary is communicating.
There is a temple being built now in India that's going to be taller than the Empire or the Statue of Liberty, and it's going to be about 500 feet.
It's going to be a Buddha that almost fits the description in the book of Revelation to the point that there's no doubt that this is going to be the genuine article to be worshipped by the year 2005.
A UK firm is putting it together.
It's going to be so massive it's going to house a temple and rooms and so forth.
And they have to even construct it carefully because the metal almost kind of breathes with the atmosphere.
I don't know if you've seen the news in the last couple of days, but in Afghanistan, the Taliban there is blowing up, they found these large statues of Buddha.
And I believe that in many instances, I think if you've never heard of Christ, you can't be held accountable.
But I think in the case of denying his divinity, in the case of the Muslims who believe in the Blessed Mother as being a good woman and that Jesus was a prophet, for them not to accept him as the Lord, I think that there's an intrinsic problem with that.
I don't know whether it's going to be because of assassination in the Middle East or whatever, but the Israeli Defense Force is gearing up, and they admit that there will be a war.
And I think the warning that's coming is really going to change a lot of hearts of people that are too caught in the world.
And I think when we mentioned that the Muslims don't believe in Jesus, I think that they're going to be told during that warning, as we all are, who the real Messiah is and what our position is with God at that moment if we should die.
I mean, we're seeing earthquakes and monumental things happening, and your global superstorms are certainly coming to pass.
And we could all go at any moment, and I think that that warning is going to be a true blessing.
From what I saw, it looked like he may have been killed.
Certainly that backs up some words that were apparently spoken by Father Martin in the hospital, that he was pushed, although he couldn't see who pushed him.
There was a person talking about it that knew him and knew of the doctor, and that he had said something before he slipped into unconsciousness before surgery.
Definitely, and it made a lot of people really sad about that because here he was, you know, fighting the good fight, coming back from a stroke, and doing rather well and working on his book and to say that he'd been pushed and when he turned around he couldn't see who it was.
That just a lot of people, I know, his bodyguards were very upset that that happened.
I think the degree as to how far it unfolds is up to us by how much we pray.
You know, during this election problem, a lot of prayers were offered, and from what I heard, heaven took notice of it, and things seemed to slow down.
They were lightened up a little bit.
It was a terrible situation for this country.
And we were a lot closer to war than most people want to know.
We had some enemies making some very strong overtures, and intelligence was indicating that we were going to be hit during that time of indecision and shad problems, and we came very close.
There was perhaps a Middle Eastern faction that would have nuked us or let go biologicals, and that's a real problem, too, because we have sects all over the country that are just waiting for the word to release biological weapons on us.
Scott Gobranson did a very detailed investigation and wrote about it at strategicjungle.com.
He had some eyewitnesses that he's known in law enforcement for years who said that they saw the Chinese soldiers, they heard them speaking Chinese, and they were firing at them.
Right, and the Chinese soldiers were dressed as Mexican Army.
And the intelligence that we've gathered on this is that these people are trying to probe our defenses to see when we'll fight back, if we'll fight back.
And so far, we haven't.
We're not shooting back at them.
But there are caches of weapons down in Mexico, up through the United States.
There are many, many Chinese troops on the borders.
It's a very serious situation.
What was curious to me, Art, was the fact that Prophecy had said this for some time, and it was like, okay, well, I've got to prove this.
And, you know, it was kind of hard to get that information out.
But with these latest shootings in the past year, my gosh, it's happening.
I think before the warning, we're going to see that the UN is going to make overtures.
We're already under international law right now, and the international court has been established.
I think that we're going to see terrible devastation in the United States, and I think that the world is going to be hurled into revolutions, and that's when the UN is going to crack down on this one world, drop the barrier stuff.
You know, I'm probably doomed, Kathleen, because I believe a lot of things that parallel what you say is going to happen.
I absolutely believe them.
I follow them.
I talk about them.
But I have this very difficult time making the leap of faith, I think that was the name of the movie, that's necessary to believe that this is all unfolding biblical prophecy.
It's going to have to be something awfully convincing, Carol, because we live in a world where horrible things happen, absolutely horrible things happen, and we've grown, I don't know, cynical.
I doubt that it will, but I mean, what if we did lose communication?
What if we had such a killer earthquake that they're anticipating that comes right down the middle of the country, that trucking has stopped, communication lines are down, the internet's gone?
Well, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, life is just kind of a short span in the greater picture, and I'm just kind of waiting for whatever's on the other side, whatever's next.
I have to sort of take issue with books by Michael Drosman, like the Bible Code, which given the plight of the Jewish people, it's almost an insult that he would choose to speak to someone or anyone in such an ambiguous fashion.
That's not a way a child can understand.
I can't take that book seriously.
And if you look for patterns, you'll find them.
You'll find them everywhere.
And if pictures of Jesus start talking to you, well, why would you have an idol up, for one thing?
We have an artist's interpretation, and if it's a matter of faith that he is the Son of God, then people that believe that do not feel that's idolatry.
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Well, it's hard to take anything the Vatican says seriously.
I mean, this is a church that used to sell indulgences.
And the selling of indulgences, you know, there are a lot of things that people don't understand or, you know, why would they do that?
Certainly we've seen a lot of strange things coming out of the Vatican, and I think we have to be very careful with what we hear coming out of there anymore.
All right, now before we give out the number, let me ask you this.
Kathleen, for people who order tonight, this quagmire involving the books, the lost UPS things, all the rest of it, if they order tonight, are they going to get their book?
As I said earlier, you know, people like Kathleen end up with two befores through them usually or giant church steeple things falling on them and piercing them into the ground.
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Anyway, my question is, is the Antichrist obviously is out for Christians and Jews.
You know, what's a good miracle he could pull off to people might tend to believe he is the Messiah.
He certainly has the capability of doing that.
He's already healed thousands of people.
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Because see, my belief that from reading the Bible is that if they say that Jesus is here or Jesus is there, you're not to believe it, that when Jesus comes again, all will see him.
No, because the real miracles from heaven will be less and less.
There will be a giant wave of miracles at the miracle that's coming after the warning.
But by and large, I mean, there's still hope for miracles from the Lord, but we're going to see more and more false miracles, so it's going to be very hard to think that they're from heaven.
Well, if I knew somebody, say a small child who was in the final stages of incurable cancer, and a man representing himself to be our Savior touched this child and the cancer was immediately cured, you know, I really hate to say this, Kathleen.
I think the rapture is going to take place and then you're going to see him full force.
But he will be visible rather soon.
You know, Art's already had the overtures.
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Because it would make sense him being able to come to power if the rapture came and the people who weren't truly kind of caught in the middle, well, it's going to be him.
Well, I think that we're going to see a lot more calamities, probably worse than what Seattle experienced, and probably the death toll rising through various weather problems and perhaps terrorism.
Yeah, and you've got to think real deeply about it and not just, you know, you know, go into this Bible babble, this situation about Jesus did this and he died and he came back to life and the Virgin Mary, which you have to accept.
In other words, why would all of this torture be laid out for mankind?
Why have this planned period of time where we'll sin and then we will be tortured and punished for what we have done and these chastisements will come and it just doesn't seem like a God that a lot of people envision?
And as a matter of fact, I was raised in a religious home.
And I, over the years, have developed, well, I did a lot of study also in religions, but I've developed a thing with my inner being where it talks to me.
And it tells me that there is earth changes that are coming, but it also tells me that I don't have to worry about them, that I follow my feelings, and nothing bad can happen to me.
Right now, my feelings have led me into Europe.
I live in Germany now.
I'm American.
I don't live in America no more because I just don't feel safe there.
But whether or not it means what Kathleen says it means, I haven't grasped.
I just can't grasp that yet.
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I understand that.
But like I said, my inner being says that as long as we trust our feelings, because it tells me that there's only two of them, that which feels good and that which doesn't.
And always go after that which feels best.
When I find myself in a situation where I don't feel good, I get out of it because I'm always trying to feel good.
And I guess in the Bible, Christ says, seek joy.
And that would be a message that I could give is always seek joy.
I've always complained that most pleasurable things in life are bad for you, or at least we're told they are.
The things that give us pleasure, the little stupid things, whether it's having a drink at night when you get home from work or it's smoking cigarettes or it's chasing after the women or whatever it is that really is pleasurable is not good for us or our souls.
But I mean, you still will have eliminated on all the previous Sundays all the previous bad things that you thought you could get away with during the week.
I mean, I know that's a big topic that people don't believe in it, but I do believe in purgatory.
And I think that you may be able to confess that on Saturday and go to Mass on Sunday, but I think ultimately you're going to have to pay some time because your soul is stained from those indulgences, overindulgences.
You know, the speed of these events that are happening is what really captures me.
And sometimes the under-reporting, or when it's reported, it's reported in such small little sound bites that people can put together.
Because my question to you is this.
You mentioned the Russians and the Chinese in the first hour, and the speed since within the last two years how they've forged their strategic alliance together, pulling their, which is about 100,000 or hundreds of thousands of troops from their borders, and of course all the other alliances they've made with each other.
And then you also mentioned Israel.
And within the last few hours, and as we're speaking right now, Israel has moved their tanks into what they call the A areas, which are the total Palestinian occupied areas.
So that place is ready to go.
Now, there's a little story here, and I'll wrap this up quick.
It started a couple days ago on Kosovo-Macedonian borders.
Little insurgents by the Albanians there.
It was really nothing, a couple blurbs.
But as I'm reading right now, and this happened just a few hours ago, NATO sending their U.S. troops to Kosovo clash is the title of the article in the Washington Times.
So my question is this to you.
Things can be happening in a couple of weeks.
I think the time, I don't think people realize how short the time is because if Israel goes, the Arabs go, we go into Iraq, we get tied down in the Mideast, we also get tied down on the worst place on this planet to fight a war.
We have 40,000 troops in that Kosovo area, which is nothing but mountains.
They're tied down.
And if China makes a move on all this happening simultaneously, and I believe that this is all planned, and this could be happening in a couple of weeks.
Let me bring this down to logic and reason and science.
Now, Art, instead of saying God, G-O-D, as a supposed intelligence creating all this, there's another intelligence out there that you and I would agree as a studio of UFOs.
That's E.T.s.
Now, what I'm trying to lead to is Mitchie Okaku talked about type 1, type 2, type 3, et cetera, civilizations.
A type 2 or 3 or 4 would have the energy, the power to control the planet.
Now, bear with me.
Bear with what I'm trying to say.
It has to do with ETs, type 2 or 3, or 4, who may be controlling the Earth and our weather.
Let me explain.
First of all, in the Bible, Genesis is wrong, where it says, in the beginning, God, et cetera, et cetera.
We know the Big Bang theory from astronomy.
I am an amateur astronomer.
The beginnings, as opposed to Genesis, does not tie in with cosmology and astronomy.
Kathleen, is it possible that God, we'll use that word so everybody understands what we're talking about, the Creator, created others as well as ourselves?
I think they're out there, whether the ETs are demons or not.
I think they were created by God.
I think that they were not demons to begin with or what appears to be extraterrestrials.
I think that we have to accept the fact that there may be different things Out there that we don't know about, but as far as man itself, I think we were the that's it.
But I think someone created the ETs that we're seeing, and I think that's God.
Well, why would it not be reasonable, if there are others, if there are ETs, that at some point in our evolution, I guess I shouldn't use that word with you, at some point in our development, there was intervention.
I tend to agree with those who think that they may be as negative or maybe completely negative and not positive at all, not fuzzy little beings at all.
David Jacobs wrote a book called The Threat, which kind of backs that up.
But that automatically does not make them devils or representatives of Lucifer or anything else.
It may make them simply creations as we are creations, and we could have been tampered with.
I mean, to me, that is inside the realm of possibility.
Well, the phone company is not precise in their cutting of the East and the West of the Rockies.
They're close, but not precise.
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How true.
How true.
Anyway, I think I have a little bit of a comment for you that might help you, and then I have a question for Kathleen very quick.
I'm a nuclear engineer by trade, and I ran into some of the same kind of problems about show me and God can't exist.
Maybe it's because of that Catholic upbringing.
But as it turns out, what I found out in my studies of subatomic physics is that the universe is pretty much made of only two things, nothing and energy.
Matter does not exist in any way, shape, or form.
And if you look at it from that point of view, then we could actually say that when God said he created man in his image, he literally meant that we're in his image.
We're part of his creation.
He thought us into being.
The act of creation being thought, which is a use of energy, right?
Yeah, no, well, a lot of people have a lot of trouble with that explanation.
You know, that it's video games or it's TV or it's being left with a daycare center instead of mom and dad.
A lot of people have a problem with that because most people come up just fine being latchkey kids or whatever.
This is so far removed, you know, walking in and just killing people.
It's so far removed from the norm that it seems to me it demands that you at least, and I don't mean to be making these arguments for you, Kathleen, but it seems to me that you have to include that as one great possibility for those actions.
Anyway, the question I have for Kathleen, I don't know if that helped you or not.
What I did is combine physics and something called the Kabbalah.
And if you look at the literal Kabbalah and subatomic particle physics, you'll find that there's a correlation, and you might find that interesting to look into.
Kathleen, the question I have for you is about the new Israeli government.
Do you think that Al-Sharon and his new cabinet, or whatever they call themselves over there, are going to rebuild the Temple of David?
I recently noted that they're now building moats like around Jericho and things like that.
It looks like they're heading towards maybe wanting to rebuild the Temple.
And lastly, oh, I wanted to know, I was reading some of my notes from prior shows, and I was kind of interested in some of the things I wrote down about this.
He's at the Fatima Center, Father Paul Kramer, and he was friends with Malachi Martin and has taken up the gauntlet trying to get the real third secret released.
Kathleen, I certainly think you have a valid warning about the anti-Messiah, as I referred to him, and certainly the one world government deception, which I think is upon us.
And we're certainly talking about the ultimate questions, it seems, tonight.
I believe in the inspired Hebrew Bible, including the New Testament.
However, I don't call myself a Christian.
I do believe in the Creator, Yahweh, and the Messiah, Yahshua, which means Yahweh of salvation.
I certainly, and I'm sure you already realize that.
I don't believe, though, personally in such a thing as the rapture that it will occur.
But the Bible says that the entire world will be deceived.
Even Christianity as a whole, I think, will be deceived by what we've already talked about, the great miracles, these devious miracles which are going to be done by this man.
I mean, certainly could he even ended up in your backyard in Nebraska.
I mean, I believe that happened, and that's just amazing.
But, of course, they said the truth shall set you free.
Do you think, Kathleen, as I do, that the great tribulation will begin in the spring of the year, and this is we're coming up on the spring, and go three and a half years until the true Messiah comes in the fall and the Feast of Trumpets?
Well, I think purgatory is a lot more serious than that because I go through that right now, you know, through awareness, seeing the things that I'm attached to.
I think purgatory is a lot more than just giving up things.
And Kathleen, I was raised a Catholic, although I don't no longer attend the Catholic Church.
I am still a Christian.
Earlier you were talking about making images speak and such.
I think in the Bible, the book of Exodus, where it speaks of not making any graven images or any likeness of anything in heaven above or the earth beneath, I think that's probably the reason that was written.
Yeah, you can take the pictures down, but that baby's still going to talk to you.
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Yeah.
Well, we just, I mean, I guess if it says it in the Bible, there has to be a reason, you know, for it to say that.
And I just think that images like that, especially something to do with one's faith, gives a tendency for, I mean, it just leaves itself open for demonic beings or extraterrestrials or whatever you would call them to make use of them.
Well, I don't think we're going to, hopefully not.
I think that some things are going to happen, but I think when we get further into the tribulation is when we're going to see this kind of phenomenon take place.
I think that we are caught up in it because we choose to be.
I think that it's been the design of Lucifer all along to get as many souls as possible because in his frame of mind, he believes that the more souls he captures in hell will make him like God and that he will one day be let back into heaven.
First off, I'd like to thank you for introducing me to Father Martin over your radio program.
You bet.
And I wish he was still around to help us.
My question, I guess, to Kathleen.
Sean David Morton one time had referred to Father Martin's death and the release of the third secret in that Father Martin had to be gone before they could release the false secret.
But you really are particularly right about Father Martin had to be gone before they could do the release of that, I don't know what to call it, that facade they released, calling it the third secret.
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One last thing.
Kathleen, where can we get more information on the Bible code, please?
I was wondering if she could expand a little bit on what she said about the Chinese on our border.
And I know you've talked many a times in your show about near-death experiences and people seeing going through a tunnel and seeing the light at the end of that tunnel.
Yes.
And possibly Jesus.
Would she say that that truly is Jesus or maybe the devil deceiving people?
I've had a few really fascinating interviews from people who have had the bad ones, but you don't hear about them very often, and they certainly don't write about them in books.
Good morning all from the High Desert, the soggy high desert.
Kathleen Keating is my guest.
She'll be here through the end of the program.
Your last chance to ask her a question of the gold.
Well, now would you look at that?
Whole thing just messed up.
I'm going to have to set this up all over again.
Machines.
Ah, machines.
Maybe they'll get us in the end.
Have you ever wondered about that?
Machines.
Anyway, here we go.
Kathleen Keating up in a moment.
From Terry in Denver, Colorado, a fast blast and I think a very good one too.
It says, how about the aliens and the invasion that Kathleen talked about earlier?
Pin her down, Art, for details.
We need to know more, especially about first contact.
So, okay.
Kathleen, if we were to suddenly get a wild message from, and I have contacts with the SETI people, you know, that are looking out for first contact, and they were to tell me, oh my God, Art, we've got the WOW signal or whatever it is they call it, and we have contact.
Channeling people have gotten a lot more messages that they're going to make their move.
And the children that I talked about earlier are seeing them.
So it's going to happen soon.
I don't know as to when it's going to happen.
I would think very soon we're going to see some real proof that they do exist and that we may even hear that there's going to be a galactic war and the Earth's going to be right in the middle of it.
Well, I think it may seem like a good thing in the beginning, but I think that we'd all find out that it isn't.
The New York Times had an opportunity to release the fact that ETs existed in 1960 or so, and they opted not to because they thought that chaos would ensue.
And, of course, I just came out of Laredo, Texas this afternoon.
And with what you guys were talking about on the Mexican border, you know, NASA has just given an influx of trucks, Mexican trucks, into the United States to actually run the whole state.
And, you know, I mean, this is thousands of trucks coming across our borders every day.
I just had heard that, and of course, like Say coming out of the radar today, wanted to make that statement.
I thought it was kind of interesting.
One other thing, though, as I listened to different, well, any radio station I can get clear at the moment, of course, the area that I was coming through had about four to choose from and fading between all of them.
One of the commercials that came on after that was, or during one of your commercials, was talking about actually the New World Order, this New One World religion.
I wanted to ask you, you know, it's interesting that of all the books of the Bible, Revelation is the only one that promises a special blessing if you read it.
And my specific question in regards to Revelation is, it mentions that the beast will have the number 666.
And how do you tie that into maybe either confirmation of who the Antichrist is or maybe that will tie into the fact That Revelation discusses that we'll have to take the mark of the beast to trade.
Do you see that tying into Social Security numbers or anything?
Somebody says, Art, why not be honest with your listeners and mention that you've already had the fellow Kathleen is referring to on your program, October 11th of 98.
And he gives the name.
Yes, I had the man who represented that he could get the person who Kathleen has named as the Antichrist on the program.
I certainly did.
And he promised to get that person on my program.
That's exactly right.
This person who sent the message is dead on.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
My question, I'm going to try to keep it simple here because I have so many questions.
But to start out, I guess, do you believe, I know the Antichrist is all going to happen and the Messiah will appear and God will come at the end, but will there be any earthly warriors sent from God, actually human form?
They will put up a valiant fight against the Antichrist and his forces, and they will have powers that the saints in earlier times really had wished they'd been born now so that they could experience them.
And about the book of the Bible Codes, I read that and everything was all synchronized.
And then they got into where they were talking about that large earthquake of 5760 and that ended on Yom Kippur.
But I noticed that we don't really, the year don't really end until we step into the month of Nisan.
And that's March going into April.
And that's when the Jewish calendar that the new year begins.
And I think that is just really, really interesting that that hasn't happened yet.
And except for that one in India, I thought that was phenomenal.
And also, the code working in 7, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it 1994, February the 28th, that the siege of Waco started?
And then on this February 28th, seven years later, we had that happening in Seattle.
And also where it was talking about as in Times of Noah, it said they're saying March the 28th that the morning star is going to be the closest to the Earth that it's been in 3,500 years.
And the last time it did that was in the times of Noah when the flood came.
This will be, they say, the next biggest thing to Hailbop, and it will come at Christmas.
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But Art, you know what's really interesting about this thing is if you think back in 1997, Rosh Hashanah, September, okay, back in March of 97, it was when they had the peak of Hailbop, but that was March the 29th.
And if you, and in your Zandervon, you read it, and it'll tell you that 97 AD is when John the Revelator wrote the book of Revelation.
And that would mark 1,900 years to the day.
And if you go from September, Rosh Hashanah in 97, to this here coming Easter, which is supposed to be after the first Sunday, after the first full moon, after March the 21st, is supposed to be, that would be make it around the 8th.
And I'd like to answer a question that you and quite a few other callers have asked concerning the futility that we are being subjected to.
And according to God's own mouth, he says that we were subjected to futility not of our own will, but because of him who subjected it in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
So that's his purpose.
And what would be kind of a shock to you is from what I understand from quite a bit of what I've heard about and learned in the Bible is that we are really the aliens on this planet.
We are not of this world.
And that there were those Nephilim that corrupted the human race.
God had to do everything legally.
That's why it's taken so much time for his laws to be set forth, that things will be done legal in the universe, and that the demons are quite possibly the pre-adamic creation that was mentioned in the Bible, because he said for us to replenish the earth, to take it back over, take the territory over.
And I just would like to know what you think and Kathleen thinks about that, and I'll listen off the air.
Boy, there's a lot of passions evoked by this topic tonight.
Kathleen, I support what you're saying.
I believe very strongly.
I'm a scientist and a spiritual person.
Some guy got earlier, and he sounded very fanatically religious in his scientific point of view.
Unfortunately, I think that the false religion persecuted science for so long there's a backlash now that the new science has become the religion of the day.
Christ did exist, though, because they have that book that was written recently that said, oh, Christ was a myth.
He didn't exist at all.
It was just all made up.
However, if that's the case, then Pontius Pilate was in on it because he wrote a letter to the Emperor of Rome declaring that he had crucified Christ and was upset because his hand was moved by the religious leaders of the day.
So Christ actually existed.
He was a real man, whether or not he was an Englan or a Gnostic or whatever.
I think the thing is, as we get closer and closer to the end times, there's more and more of this polarization between believers and non-believers.
And on that note, we're going to have to close it out.
Kathleen, again, once Kathleen's website is back up again, you can go take a look for yourself with regard to the name of the Antichrist and the organization.
With regard to her book, The Final Warning, you can call 1-866-394-2665.
That's 1-866-394-2665.
Is there any other information you want to get on the air?