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Feb. 5, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - UFO Reports - Peter Davenport

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	Gabby and put him in the back of the car.
	But the lady who married us was named Abby.
	And of course, it was a chapel.
	And so obviously, Abby Chapel Bell.
	That's how we got his name.
	And that was, of course, almost 10 years ago, since it was the night of our wedding.
	Abby is very important to us.
	And several weeks ago, about a month ago, I guess almost now, Abby, all of a sudden, almost overnight, lost his weight, got sick.
	Couldn't get up on the couch.
	It was horrible.
	Horrible.
	And we rushed him to the vet here in Pahrump.
	And the vet said, well, you might want to put him to sleep.
	It's probably liver failure and he's not going to come out of it.
	It's not very likely at all.
	Anything can be done.
	So we rushed him to Las Vegas.
	And I held him.
	My wife drove like a demon, and I held him and sort of cried all the way to Las Vegas.
	And we got this really, really, really good vet that's described in the story on the website, so I'm not going to go into a lot of detail, who for three weeks had tubes going into him and medicine and feeding tubes and all.
	It was pathetic.
	He's all shaved.
	But somehow, it was a miracle, we believe, I believe.
	Abby's liver turned back on.
	He went from 20 pounds to about 11 pounds, and his liver suddenly, miraculously, turned back on.
	And so Abby is back with us, albeit looking a little like a French poodle, more than a cat, because he's shaved everywhere, but he's back with us.
	So that whole story is on the website.
	It really was a miracle.
	We went to, my wife and I went to the Super Bowl, where I understand we were scanned.
	Everybody was scanned at the Super Bowl.
	Isn't that lovely?
	Big brother.
	It was cool, though.
	We had a lot of fun.
	And the whole story of the Super Bowl trip is up there.
	The photographs of NBC this morning, you know, the behind-the-scenes stuff, they had this cool white truck out there with satellite dishes and stuff, and I went out and took photographs of that.
	That's up on the website.
	A lot of stuff from the past is up on the website.
	Stuff that you've wanted to see for a long time.
	And so you've got to get to the website.
	So I want to thank Keith Rowland who did a spectacular job of getting it all together.
	Where do you find it?
	You find it right now at www.artbell.com.
	Oh!
	We've got a... the webcam is back and I've got a really cool new capture card.
	A video capture card.
	Which allows larger pictures.
	So, we are sending larger pictures to the website.
	I'd be interested in your opinion.
	Now when you go to the website, just look along the left side and you'll see all these options.
	Just place your cursor over them and the rest will be obvious.
	Hope it works out okay for the web TV people.
	We'll see.
	So, Lots and lots of reasons to go up to the brand new website.
	Of course, we'll be getting more and more material as time goes on, but there's an awful lot of it for you to see right now, and it will help you catch up with what I have been doing.
	Then, after some of the problems were resolved, and it looked as though I was gone fishing retired with not much to do, my wife and I bought an RV, and we had plans to go trekking across the country.
	In our brand new RV, a big 37-foot diesel pusher.
	Oh boy, did we get it outfitted.
	I spent a lot of time on that.
	You know, that was that was cool and it was a lot of fun.
	There's photographs of the RV up there, which now sits out there, languishing because we were going to take off before I came back to the air.
	But of course, our Abbey got sick, so that stopped everything in its tracks.
	Nevertheless, the RV is there.
	It will give us an opportunity to go to XFL Games with our new team here in Las Vegas.
	And, by the way, quick comment.
	You know I am a big football fan.
	You've got to be to go to the Super Bowl, believe me.
	But the XFL is here, and I have watched a few XFL games, and so far my comments are thumbs up.
	I think it's kind of cool, and I think, actually, it has a chance to succeed.
	So I will use this new Toy, this RV, to take Ramona and myself, and perhaps our kitty cats, to an XFL game in Las Vegas, where we now have a home team!
	Yay!
	Which, by the way, won their first game.
	We'll be right back.
	After our new sounder, it was impossible to get rid of a sounder for commercials altogether.
	But that other one, well, I couldn't stand it anymore, and I'm sure you couldn't either.
	This sound is pretty good, but it's not exactly what I wanted.
	You know what I really wanted to use?
	What I really wanted to use was a theme, just a little bit of the theme from the TV show, The Practice, which is one of the best shows, in my opinion, on television, where they have kind of a laser sound on the end.
	But we called them up and said, hey, can we use it?
	They said, no way, not a chance.
	So I can't use that.
	So this was what we came up with.
	And maybe we'll find something else, but in the meantime, that's going to be it for a little while here until we figure out what we're doing.
	All right.
	I have to welcome a whole bunch of radio stations.
	This will help some of you who are looking for the program and perhaps have not been able to find it.
	So, I'm going to do it this hour and next, because some will begin next hour as well.
	I'm going to go through the list kind of quickly.
	Welcome back, WABC in New York.
	They'll be with us beginning next hour, and then they'll carry a fourth hour beginning April 1st.
	KFI, the monster of the West, 640 on your dial in Los Angeles.
	Our friends at the world's largest store, WLS in Chicago.
	Yo, Mike Elder.
	And oh, I want to say hi to David Hall and Stella at KFI.
	David Hall and myself go back a long, long way.
	And, of course, at WABC, Phil Boyce and my friend Curtis.
	I wonder how Curtis is doing.
	And guess what, folks?
	KDWN, KDWN in Las Vegas, Nevada.
	My old alma mater.
	That's where it all began with this program.
	50,000 watts on 720 in Las Vegas.
	I'd like to say hello to Mr. Al Williams and the exciting and enchanting Vixen Claire Reese, who's got a photograph in my book.
	The newer versions of the book.
	WHKP in Hendersonville, North Carolina.
	Hello, Art Cooley and gang.
	Hendersonville, North Carolina is very important.
	That's where my mom is.
	And my mom called and said, well, any chance you could be on a station where I could hear you?
	And so we checked Hendersonville and there was WHKP and we gave Art Cooley a call.
	Yeah, sure.
	So, we're on in Hendersonville, North Carolina.
	And I'm very thankful for it.
	Hi, Mom.
	KVTA in Port Hueneme, California.
	KNZZ Grand Junction, Colorado.
	All these joining tonight, folks, or rejoining.
	KCMX in Medford, Oregon.
	WKYX in Paducah, Kentucky.
	WOND in Pleasantville, New Jersey.
	We'll go over these again.
	WONZ in Hamilton, New Jersey.
	WSTA in St.
	Thomas, the Virgin Islands.
	Welcome back, Virgin Islands!
	WQBE in Charleston, West Virginia.
	WXVQ in Bristol, Virginia.
	WDOV in Dover, Delaware.
	Good to be on there.
	W.I.G.M.
	in Medford, Wisconsin.
	W.J.T.N.
	in Jamestown, New York.
	W.I.B.A.
	in Madison, Wisconsin.
	All of these joining tonight.
	W.G.R.A.
	in Cairo, Georgia.
	W.C.B.C.
	That's a good one.
	In Cumberland, Maryland.
	W.D.E.L.
	in Wilmington, Delaware.
	On now in Wilmington.
	K.G.N.C.
	in Amarillo, Texas.
	Spent a year and a half there on the Air Force.
	W-A-E-B in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
	W-F-D-F in Flint, Michigan.
	W-F-U-N, good call letters, in Ashtabula, Ohio.
	W-H-Y-N in Springfield, Massachusetts.
	W-N-R-X in Tupelo, Mississippi.
	W-Q-B-Q, W-Q-B-Q in Leesburg, Florida.
	W-V-M-I in Biloxi, Mississippi.
	That's a deep South.
	W-W-N-R in Beckley, West Virginia.
	Check this one out, folks.
	K-G-U-M on Guam.
	The island of Guam.
	That's across the dateline.
	Now, I think they're hearing the show at about four-something in the afternoon.
	I'm not sure.
	We'll hopefully get a call from Guam and they will tell us.
	W-E-G-P in Presque Isle, Maine.
	That is Maine, right?
	I think it is.
	W-H-W-H.
	W-H-W-H.
	Good call letters.
	Princeton, New Jersey.
	W-J-H-R in Flemington, New Jersey.
	K-O-W-L in South Lake Tahoe, Nevada.
	K-S-W-M in Aurora, Missouri.
	W-T-A-X.
	Tax, huh?
	It's the season.
	Springfield, Missouri.
	Or is that Massa... No, that's Massachusetts.
	Sorry.
	Springfield, Mass.
	W-L-I-N in Lincoln, Nebraska.
	WRTA in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and WWJB in Brooksville, Florida.
	Welcome to all of you, and I'll try and go over that again next hour because I know some are joining, you know, kind of late.
	Now, this morning on the Today Show, the one point that I got to make at the very end I thought was a very important point.
	A lot of you know I wrote a book called The Coming Global Superstorm that talked about rapid climate change with my co-author Whitley Strieber.
	And it's going to be a movie, by the way, on TNT.
	They're working on it now.
	So that would be fun to see it as a movie.
	It dealt with rapid climate change and, you know, I went on NBC with Matt Lauer I don't know, it was a year ago, a little better than a year ago, right about a year.
	And, you know, he gave me a hard way to go, as I said on NBC this morning, about the whole thing.
	And coincidentally, I don't know what you would call it, it's synchronicity, I guess.
	Today's issue, the February 5th edition in this time zone of US News and World Report, has a rather intriguing cover.
	The cover of the magazine, and I should hold it up for the webcam, which I will do, simply says, scary... It's got a picture of the globe.
	Kind of like the quickening, you know?
	The globe is there, and across the globe, in big bold letters on the cover, it says, scary weather.
	Scientists issue a startling forecast of global climate change.
	This one year later.
	Exactly one year later, February 5th.
	I couldn't resist going on NBC this morning and holding up my book first, referring to the interview, and then holding up this copy of U.S.
	News and World Report.
	And I'll put it on the webcam and stop the webcam for a moment, or a few moments, so that all of you can see a photograph of it.
	So, there, I chewed up the first... You know, it's amazing that I even remember how to do all of this.
	Anyway, the first half hour is gone.
	Peter Davenport at the top of the next hour and in the next half hour. I have no idea what we're going to do
	when it's all right and it's moving on. We gotta get right back where we started from. Love is good, love is wrong. We
	gotta get right back where we started from.
	I remember that day, when you first came my way. I said no one can take your place.
	And if you get hurt by the little things I say, I can set a smile back on your face.
	I can see that smile back on your face When it's all right and it's coming through
	We gotta get right back to where we started from Love is good, the sun can be strong
	We gotta get right back to where we started from In a white car, you never make a move
	You know it's only just begun And give me your love, I just can't stay away
	I got a lot of those parties I got a lot of those seeing us
	Parties, seeing us all the way Wanna take a ride?
	Well, call Art Bell from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
	East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
	First time callers may reach Art at 1-775-727-1222.
	to the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
	First-time callers may reach out at 1-775-727-1222.
	The wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
	And to reach out on the toll-free internet...
	Looks like we brought the brand new, unsinkable website down.
	Actually, not totally.
	0903. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
	Thanks a lot everybody. Looks like we brought the brand new, unsinkable website down.
	Actually, not totally. Keith tells me that he's got to reset some parameters.
	So the big gun servers at Premier can handle it, but it's kind of down to a crawl right now.
	Bear with us.
	We'll have it cooking here shortly.
	Keith is, as I said, resetting parameters or something or another.
	There's a lot of other people I want to thank.
	Alan Corbett, who's been my best friend and mentor for years and years and years and years.
	Craig Kitchen, the CEO of Premier Talk Radio, who Without Craig and his attitude and his way of doing things, I wouldn't be here tonight, I guarantee you.
	So, you get a chance to thank Craig Kitchen.
	And, now let's see, there was an email I got that I want to share with you that... It was so simple, there was really nothing to it, but I thought it was so poignant.
	As you know, I strongly believe that when we die, that's not it, you know, there's more.
	There's something more.
	And this email was so simple, and the title of the email was Beginning.
	That's all it said.
	Beginning.
	And the text of the email simply said, My death was not as I expected.
	Now think about that.
	My death was not as I expected.
	That's it.
	Well, if you have a moment to consider your death, You didn't exactly die, did you?
	Get it or be eaten.
	I like that.
	And I still like this.
	Beginning.
	My death was not as I expected.
	Think what that means.
	If you could consider the manner of your death.
	You are aware.
	Everything has not stopped.
	I don't know why I like that.
	I just do.
	My death was not as I expected.
	Alright, well as you know, I don't much like goodbyes, and I appreciate hellos, but please don't.
	I would ask that you not call and say, I'm so glad you're back.
	Maybe I'll have one person who can do that, and it will serve for all of you or something.
	But nobody out there, even though all of you would like to say it, I'm sure, nobody out there would like to hear an all-show with people saying, I'm so glad you're back.
	That would be boring.
	So, we're not going to do that.
	In fact, at the top of the hour, Peter Davenport is going to be here from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, and he has got some stuff tonight that is going to curl your hair.
	And I probably will do guests pretty heavily for the first week or two so that I can get back in the saddle.
	I mean, I hardly remember how to push all these buttons, folks, so you'll have to bear with me.
	There's a lot of buttons here, and I push them all, as you know.
	Let's see, what else has changed?
	Oh yes, we will take Fast Blast.
	I think Fast Blast is a tremendous idea.
	Fast Blast is a term that I coined a whole lot of years ago when I was still at KDWN in Las Vegas, and it was kind of a thing where we took a million calls in an hour, just really, boom, like that.
	And so they applied Fast Blast to the ability for you to send me a message on the Internet, which you can as our website cranks back up again.
	Let me see how it's doing here.
	It's still... Well, there it is.
	There it is.
	Back up again.
	So apparently, Keith has reconfigured and opened the doors a little wider.
	You know, a website is... The Internet, you can think of it like a pipe.
	Kind of like a pipe.
	And if the pipe is small, only so much water or people can go through it to get to the website.
	If the pipe is big, many of you can get through.
	So what Keith has done is just made the pipe a little bit bigger.
	At any rate, we're going to take unscreened, fast blast messages.
	Now, that probably will not occur until we get, obviously, a little further in the show, so don't start yet.
	I'll kind of let you know when.
	And we will continue taking unscreened calls.
	In fact, I'm going to take one here in a moment.
	So I'm not sure that I've covered... Oh, this is interesting.
	From Glenn, New Hampshire.
	Art, what a coincidence that on your first night back, The entire Northeast has received a blizzard, which feels like it's the coming global superstorm.
	The snowfall rate here in New Hampshire has been about 2 to 5 inches.
	That's 2 to 5 inches per hour.
	And some places have actually received 30 inches and still counting.
	Visibility down to zero at times with strong winds.
	Great weather.
	And then there's this.
	From USA Today, to back up what I showed there on the website, a webcam screen.
	This is from USA Today, says, climate change could cost $300 billion, with a B, $300 billion a year.
	Stronger, more frequent droughts, tropical cyclones, rising sea levels, All of that could cost the world, the USA Today said, $300 billion annually.
	Every year.
	Can you imagine that?
	And I heard a story at the top of the hour on the news that they are ordering, mind you, ordering businesses to shut off power in California.
	So when you think about it a little bit, even though Y2K didn't play out as many worried, look at what's happened since.
	In January of 2000, many laughed at those who prepared for whatever might come.
	Didn't they?
	They laughed.
	Ha ha ha ha!
	Didn't happen.
	And now let's look at this year so far.
	Power outages, rolling blackouts, people are mandated to shut off power or a thousand dollars a day, fine, whatever it is.
	Gas shortages.
	They're forecasting they're going to be out of natural gas in California.
	Water shortages.
	Out of 10 thunderstorms, too many now producing tornadoes.
	Earthquakes, 4.5 and better.
	Around the world, as we have never seen before, of course, what's occurred in India.
	The weather around the world right now, the whole thing is outrageous.
	I wish I could say something else, but outrageous we'll have to do.
	Absolutely outrageous, and I'm sorry to say that what we did write in the book appears to be coming to some degree true.
	Looking around the world at news otherwise, Ariel Sharon poised Monday for a stunning political comeback.
	He's got about a 20 point lead in the polls there.
	And he's a pretty rough-and-tumble guy, so what's going to happen in the Middle East?
	We don't know.
	He's saying that he will negotiate, but only after the BS stops.
	You know what that means.
	President Bush?
	Oh yes, we had an election, didn't we?
	We have a new president.
	President Bush.
	Congratulations.
	I was never a big Bush guy, but he's doing alright so far.
	He's meeting with Canada's new Prime Minister and rebutting talk, the Bush people, that Bush prefers Mexico to the U.S.' 's northern neighbor!
	Now, where did anybody get that idea?
	That Bush favors... Now, think about that.
	Bush favors Mexico over Canada?
	You wouldn't think you'd start out by naming any kind of favorites at all, would you?
	Another head shaker, a factory worker, I'm sure you heard this one, who got caught stealing from his employer, forced his way back into the suburban Chicago engine plant today, where he worked, opened fire with an AK-47, killed five people, and then himself.
	And what is causing this to occur?
	I've never known, and I never will know.
	Why would people do that?
	I can understand that people would kill themselves, but people who kill their co-workers and their family and their friends and take out as many people as they can before they go, they must have no concept of a life that is to come after this one.
	They must believe that's it, lights out, all gone, goodnight.
	That's all I can believe because Because if they had the slightest inclination that there might be any retribution or punishment for what they've done, they wouldn't do it.
	They might take their own life, and take a gamble, you know, with whether it's a sin to take your own life, and how big a sin, and where you go as a result of that, but not others.
	And so many people are taking the life of as many as they can before they go, that it makes me wonder how many people believe there is something beyond.
	And that, of course, is something we deal with a great deal on this show.
	So there's all kinds of other news that we could get to, besides climate change.
	There is, of course, the whatever-in-the-hell-it-is, Ginger, the mysterious IT.
	And when I first heard about IT, I thought, you know, public relations scam, big time.
	This has got to be one of the best public relations things I've ever seen in my whole life.
	IT.
	Yeah, right.
	It.
	But, apparently there is something to it.
	It's causing a stir in the U.S.
	Patent Office, every major news outlet.
	And some of the people who have looked at it, I mean, you can't, we just don't know, but here's what some are saying.
	Accredits his first Boston, apparently, specs inventor Dean Kamen's device alternately called Itter Ginger.
	"...to be more successful in its first year than any technology startup in history."
	They predict that Cayman will be worth more in five years than Bill Gates.
	That's got to be some machine, whatever it is, huh?
	And tech guru Steve Jobs remarked, apparently he's seen it, "...if enough people see the machine, you won't have to convince them to architect cities around it.
	It'll just happen."
	That's a quote.
	Inside.com, a media news website, reports that Amazon.com's Jeff Bezos, I guess it is, characteristically burst out laughing when he saw it, and then later said to Kamen that it is a product so revolutionary you'll have no problem selling it.
	So, I don't know.
	It really is a pretty good mystery, isn't it?
	It.
	And I guess we can all wonder about it.
	Oh, listen, Friday, we're going to do the prediction show that I did not get to do, Christmas going into the New Year.
	And I do that every year, and we do have the predictions from last year.
	And so this Friday, we will indeed take predictions for the remainder of 2001.
	In addition to that, we will They give you a sort of go through the dings and the bongs for the predictions that we took the previous year.
	So we'll get that out of the way on Friday.
	Pretty much open lines.
	Open lines right now.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Well, how are you, Art?
	This is Sunshine.
	Hello there, Sunshine.
	I love having that voice back again, I'll tell you.
	Well, it's good to be back.
	And don't we thank the Lord for Abby.
	Ah, yes, indeed.
	Came through for you, just like the problems kind of We're helped along the way.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I think the Lord or the force or, you know, whatever operates everything around here would be the one to thank.
	Right.
	Well, we're sure glad to have you.
	And that voice, it never changes.
	We don't care if you miss a few buttons.
	That voice will never change.
	Well, I am liable to miss a few buttons, actually.
	I don't even remember where they all are, frankly.
	Well, you'll have fun learning.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I'll learn all over again.
	Right.
	All right.
	Thank you, hon.
	You bet.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Extinguish thy radio for me, please.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's done.
	And where are you?
	D.C.
	Washington, D.C.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Our nation's capital.
	Yeah.
	So what's up?
	Well, I was wondering if anybody would have the audacity to suggest that I.T.
	stood for Information Technology.
	Well, yeah, but that sounds like the Internet.
	I mean, information technology, how much better is it going to get than the Internet?
	And would you build it?
	Information technology is everything.
	And would you build, think about this, would you build entire cities around it?
	I don't think so.
	Well, the entire streets in D.C.
	have been torn up for fiber optic cables for the last two years.
	Well, I haven't seen any improvement there yet.
	I didn't say it.
	Proof that it's torn up.
	All right, sir.
	Well, I appreciate your suggestion.
	I'll take it to heart, but I don't think that's the one.
	You never know.
	Let's see.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Top of the morning.
	All right.
	How are you doing, buddy?
	I'm all right.
	This is Hannah from Eugene, Oregon.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	I'm calling you from the remote areas of the woods.
	I'm out in my yurt right now.
	All right.
	I'm in the remote areas of Nevada near Good old Area 51.
	Now, Art, there's been some weird stuff going on in the areas of Oregon right now.
	I'm wondering if you know anything about ghost lights.
	Well, you like the Marvel lights?
	That sort of thing?
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	There's these things in the woods out here.
	And there's no swamps out here.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Slow down.
	Things in the woods?
	Yes.
	Lights.
	Lights in the woods.
	Only lights?
	Yes.
	Nothing with teeth?
	No.
	Lights floating through the woods.
	No bodies with them, no lanterns with them, no cars out in the woods.
	I'm wondering if... Well, what do these lights look like?
	Do they look like a lantern would look?
	They do look like a lantern would look.
	They kind of bob through the air, they move through the woods, and they kind of just dissipate after a while.
	Have you seen these yourself?
	Yes, I have.
	I've seen them myself.
	My brother and I both saw them at the same time.
	So we're kind of wondering if you know anything about ghost lights, I guess is what they're called.
	I've been looking in books for them.
	I got a book by Randall Floyd right in front of me called Ghost Lights, and it doesn't really seem like this is what I saw, but nonetheless, it's bizarre.
	Do you have, uh, you don't have fireflies up there, right?
	So it couldn't be a firefly.
	No, no.
	But bigger than a firefly, more like a lantern.
	Yeah, it's big.
	It's like a light bulb would be, you know?
	Really?
	When, like, when we saw it, like, we actually saw it.
	We were in the yurt, and we heard something crashing through the woods.
	And the next thing, my brother had heard it, or seen it earlier, and he woke up, like, just screaming.
	So I, like, woke up, and I looked over toward the side of the wall, and there was these three lights hovering in the yurt.
	And one by one, they slowly popped off and made a popping noise, like something popping right in a row.
	Like that?
	Yeah.
	And when they popped, did they go out?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they went out.
	And it was really weird.
	That really is weird.
	It is weird.
	And then a couple days ago at nighttime, I saw what I believe might have been the same thing going through the woods, a little bit east to the woods that I'm in right now.
	You know where they might be?
	I have no idea.
	Souls.
	Really?
	That's true.
	That's what the book said.
	The book said that when people die or if you knew somebody that was... Listen, I talked to a lady, very seriously, who actually was in a room with a dying relative and when the relative was actually passing away, she laid over his body and she felt his soul move right through him.
	That's enough to send shivers up my spine.
	Yeah, me too.
	So it might be.
	I mean, that's just just a thought.
	And then maybe when they pop there, you know, they're on to whatever's next.
	Well, I'll tell you what, I'm out here.
	I got a video camera, and I got a digital camera, and I'm waiting to see it again, and if I get anything, I'll send it right to you.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Art Bell at Minespring.com, or artbell at AOL.com, and we'll get it right up on the website.
	Thanks for the call, sir.
	I'm with you, buddy.
	It's awesome to have you back.
	Oh, it's great to be here.
	All right.
	Peter Davenport, AFP News, top of the hour.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM, with Art Bell, from the Kingdom of Nod.
	Ah, that would be the place.
	Good morning, everybody, and, or good evening, and welcome back to the program.
	One duty, because so many stations are joining us here in the second hour on this brand new version of the program.
	I'm not going to go over everything I did in the first hour, except to tell you there's a ton of new stuff, and I mean a ton of new stuff, on the brand new website at www.artbell.com.
	Check it out, it'll kind of tell you the whole story.
	Rummage around in there and you'll find all kinds of new things to look at.
	I would like to welcome new radio stations to the show tonight, and some very non-trivial radio stations.
	W.A.B.C.
	New York.
	Welcome back.
	Hey, Phil Boyce.
	Thank you.
	Curtis and company.
	Thank even you.
	I think Curtis and Cooby will follow us in the morning.
	And as you all know, I grew up with W.A.B.C.
	I was glued to the radio like every teenager and grew up with all the A.B.C.
	talent and it's always been I don't know, it's such an honor to be on back there.
	So, welcome back, WABC in New York, KFI in Los Angeles, and it doesn't get any bigger than that.
	KFI 640 in Los Angeles, and most of the Western world.
	I mean, they just really have a gigantic signal.
	Thanks, David Hall.
	WLS Chicago, the mighty, mighty, mighty WLS and Mike Elder.
	Thank you.
	And all of these stations that I've got to welcome, KDWN Las Vegas, my old alma mater, back again.
	The incredible Al Williams, the exciting and enchanting Vixen, Claire Reese.
	And WHKP in Hendersonville, North Carolina, that's where my mama is.
	Hi, mom.
	Art Cooley and the gang there, getting me on, and they said, I think Art Cooley told our folks when I had them call you, and I said, hey, my mom's on there, can we get on?
	And they said, well, it's kind of a strange show, but what the hell, we'll give it a try.
	So time will tell.
	KVTA and Port Hueneme, we're going to get fast now.
	KNZZ in Grand Junction, Colorado.
	All of these joining tonight.
	KCMX Medford, Oregon.
	WKYX in Paducah, Kentucky.
	WOND in Pleasantville, New Jersey.
	WONZ in Hamilton, New Jersey.
	WSTA in St.
	Thomas, the Virgin Islands.
	Good to have them back.
	WQBE in Charleston, West Virginia.
	WXBQ, Bristol, Virginia.
	WDOV, Dover, Delaware.
	WIGM in Medford, Wisconsin.
	WJTN in Jamestown, New York.
	WIBA, Madison, Wisconsin.
	WGRA, Cairo, Georgia.
	All of this tonight.
	WCBC, Cumberland, Maryland.
	WDEL, Wilmington, Delaware.
	WGNC, Amarillo, Texas.
	Where there's virtually nothing between Amarillo and the North Pole.
	WAED, Allentown, Pennsylvania.
	WFDF, Flint, Michigan.
	WFUN, Ashtabula, Ohio.
	W-H-Y-N, Springfield, Massachusetts.
	W-N-R-X, Tupelo, Mississippi.
	W-Q-B-Q, Leesburg, Florida.
	W-V-M-I, Biloxi, Mississippi.
	Isn't this something?
	W-W-N-R, Beckley, West Virginia.
	This is one for the books.
	K-G-U-M.
	K-Gum.
	In Guam.
	The island of Guam, which is across the day line.
	W-E-G-P, Presque Isle, Maine.
	W-H-W-H, Princeton, New Jersey.
	W-J-H-R, Flemington, New Jersey.
	K-O-W-L, South Lake Tahoe, Nevada.
	K-S-W-M, Aurora, Missouri.
	Like the airplane.
	W-T-A-X, Springfield, Massachusetts.
	W-L-I-N, Lincoln, Nebraska.
	W-R-T-A, Altoona, Pennsylvania.
	And W-W-J-B in Brooksville, Florida.
	So, for all other things, including all the announcements I made in the first hour that you might not have caught, please go to the website.
	And by the way, WABC in New York, though they start now in the second hour, April 1st.
	Interesting choice of dates, huh?
	We'll begin carrying the first hour April 1st.
	So, there you are.
	Good news in New York City.
	Now, coming up shortly from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, to catch us up on all that's happened in the world of ufology.
	And there has been a lot.
	is the incredible Peter Davenport.
	So if you'll stay right where you are, that comes next.
	Well, there it is, the new Sounder, such as it is.
	As I said, there was another one I really wanted and they wouldn't let us have it, so we'll see what we can do about that.
	And we'll also probably morph into other Sounders as we go along.
	We have to have a Sounder.
	There's no way.
	It's for the Canadians, which just shows to Goya that we favor the Canadians over The Mexicans.
	Not that we have a lot of Mexican affiliates, so we actually have to do that.
	All right, there's been a lot that's happened since I've been gone.
	There's a lot to talk about.
	The man who knows about it all is the man who takes the reports in Seattle.
	His name is Peter Davenport.
	It's been a long, long time since you've heard from him.
	So from Seattle, Washington, here he is, Peter Davenport.
	Good evening, Art.
	Welcome back to the program.
	Thank you very much.
	Same to you.
	It's delightful to be here.
	I had a few buttons to learn, too.
	Of course, I have only one or two buttons to worry about up here, but I've been practicing them on them all weekend and chipping a little rust off my trusty tape recorder.
	Good for you.
	But boy, do we have a program for our listeners tonight.
	You are ticking off some of the stations that are with us tonight, and there are about four or five of them that we have reports for.
	I think people are going to really enjoy hearing what's been going on over the last nine or ten months since I've been on this program.
	It has been a lot, you're right.
	Yeah, I know I am.
	Anyway, we have a couple of special guests on hold.
	They're in an eastern time zone, as you well know.
	I don't know if they stayed up late or if they got up early to accommodate our listeners today.
	There's one thing I would like to do to kick off this program.
	I think it will serve to just sort of set the tone of what we're going to be doing over the next four hours.
	As you know, I had scheduled a remarkable gentleman to kick off this program with us tonight, and tragically, he died, as you know, just about nine days ago.
	That has a way of happening with people that are going to come on this program.
	Not that I want to warn anybody off, mind you.
	I'm sorry to hear that, and I remember you talking to me about this man quite a while ago, months ago.
	Wonderful guy, wonderful guy.
	He called me last September, very self-effacing, very modest, in his 80s, and he said, you know, I have waited 64 years to tell somebody this story.
	He said, would you like to hear it?
	And I said, well, Mr. Berg, and I can use this gentleman's name, he lived just about a mile from where I'm sitting up here in Seattle.
	Wonderful guy.
	In fact, I think his wife of 59 years is probably listening to us tonight.
	I said, past sighting reports, we prefer if they're written down, but you sound like a so interesting a person, I'm going to sit here and listen to what you have to say.
	A remarkable story.
	Year 1936.
	He was 19 years of age.
	He found himself up in Alaska as an engineer in a canning plant up there.
	And he was recruited to build a Civilian Conservation Corps camp just about 27 miles north of Anchorage in the town of Oklutna.
	We have some listeners up there.
	Oh, I know where that is.
	I lived in Anchorage.
	Just on the old highway north of Anchorage.
	And he started telling his story about what he and a friend of his ran into on a cold October night in 1936.
	To put this into temporal perspective, 1936, of course, before FDR had been re-elected, I happen to know that was the summer that the major American airlines across this country were transitioning from some of the old fabric-covered aircraft to the brand new DC-3 airliner, and so on and so forth.
	Of course, long before Roswell, long before Ken Arnold's sighting over Mount Rainier up here in the Washington State area, and he started telling me this story about what he and his friend bumped into.
	They were hitchhiking down to Anchorage for a night on the town on a Saturday night in October of 1936 and hoping for a ride.
	There were none available.
	They looked to the south of them as they were headed into Anchorage.
	They're about six miles south of their camp, 21 miles to go into Anchorage.
	This was October?
	October of 1936.
	And it's getting cold by then.
	Wait until you hear what this gentleman has to describe.
	But they looked to the south of them, and they saw this lone light coming at them.
	In very short order, at first they thought it was a truck headlamp.
	A truck coming towards them from Anchorage was one headlight out.
	But before they knew it, That truck, in quotation marks, was hovering above them.
	And it scared them so badly, two of these gentlemen, that they attempted to conceal themselves in a snowbank.
	Now what I would like to do, since we have these guests in the Eastern Time Zone standing by, I think they'll enjoy this too.
	I presume they can hear the audio clip that I would like to kick off our program with tonight.
	Out of respect for this gentleman, most of all out of gratitude for his having preserved this story for us, I would like to just go to this audio clip and play for our audience tonight what was reported to the National UFO Reporting Center by Mr. Holger Berg, the late Mr. Holger Berg, just a few months ago with regard to his sighting, what, 64 or more years ago.
	Here we go, Alaska 1936.
	Thank you.
	And what, Nunn and I were hitchhiking to town.
	Uh-huh.
	Kind of stupid since the temperature was below 20.
	Uh-huh.
	However, we were six miles at least away from the camp.
	We saw this light and we said, oh boy, a truck's coming.
	Well, anyway, all of a sudden we realized this thing was up in the air.
	And we couldn't figure out what it was.
	And before we knew it, it was right above us.
	And it had kind of a blue-green light in it, and it made a sound, and I never heard that sound again until I heard the first jet engine shut down, kind of a low whining sound.
	Uh-huh.
	And this fellow, his name was Peterson, him and I dove into a snowbank, and we watched it.
	It passed overhead, and it looked like it was going to run right into the mountain to our right.
	When it got to the mountain, this thing went over the top and down the other side.
	And we said, that does it.
	We're going back.
	We don't know where it was, but we thought it was something secret the government was doing.
	It looked like it was cigar shaped.
	However, as it got away from us, it looked more like a flat iron.
	It was wider at the back than it was at the front.
	I'm sure that we had that in our sights.
	Over three minutes, because it was not moving very fast and it was less than a thousand feet, and this is the part that really frightened us.
	When I think about it, there may have been more than one light, but it was one blue-green light, or maybe a couple of them, either on the sides or on the top.
	I was too rattled to really, you know.
	My response to Peterson was, God, dive into the snow.
	I think it's going to crash.
	Uh-huh.
	We were looking at the side of it.
	Uh-huh.
	And as it passed, as it got away, it looked wider at the back than it did at the front.
	Uh-huh.
	The sound that came from it was nothing like they had in those days.
	Those were all piston engines.
	Uh-huh.
	And like I said, the sound reminded me of when the pilot shuts down a turbine it has a kind of a oh a kind of a whining warbling
	sound that finally peters out and that's the sound that I heard and I'm sure Peterson
	heard it too.
	Anybody thinks that this is a new phenomenon this phenomenon of ufology has another thing
	another thought coming because these things have been with us it sounds for quite a while.
	And this gentleman was how old at his passing?
	He was in 83 or 84.
	He was 19 years of age in 1936.
	And a remarkable guy.
	Worked for in the aerospace industry up here, I think, for the last 25 years of his working career.
	He knew which end of an airplane pointed forward, of course.
	He was a mechanic and He said that thing should not have been there in 1936.
	After all, in 1936, a modernization of an aircraft was a new type of paint or a new color of paint on your Boeing Stearman piston-powered biplane, and that's what they saw.
	Of course, we'd like to talk to Mr. Peterson, if there's anybody out there who had a father or an uncle or Grandfather up in Eklutna, Alaska back in 1936, whose name is Peterson.
	There may well be.
	Of course, we're heard there, and so, you know, maybe.
	You know, somebody that age would have totally no reason to concoct a story.
	My information says that right now, Peter, there's a UFO sighting every three seconds somewhere in the world.
	Yeah, I'm not surprised by that.
	My position is, based on six and a half years of collecting data almost every day of the week, we must have UFOs in American airspace virtually every day of the week.
	And we'll be talking about what the government is doing with regard to this issue and what they, in my opinion, ought to be doing later in the program.
	But that's the type of report that we are getting almost routinely now.
	One of the interesting things in this audio clip Is that he turned to his friend Peterson and says, oh, we better protect ourselves because it's going to crash.
	He didn't say, oh, we ought to protect ourselves because it's going to scoop us up or abduct us.
	Any of the modern terminology of ufology, because in 1936, virtually nobody, I presume, was talking about UFOs.
	Not even the term had been invented.
	No, but I'll bet you they still had missing people.
	I'll bet they did, too, Art.
	You know, that's been going on for a long time.
	I think all of this is completely, absolutely undeniable, and that's just sort of an older case.
	I mean, somebody diving in a snowbank, and as you point out, that's what you would think then, that something was going to crash and hurt you, and you'd protect yourself from it.
	In today's modern society, with all the information flow we have, this show notwithstanding, you'd think, I'm going to be abducted, or it's from somewhere else.
	That's just as likely.
	But back then, that's what you'd say.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And he said the lights were blue or green.
	They weren't yellow.
	Of course, most vehicles had a 6-volt electrical system back then, so the headlights weren't very bright.
	They were more yellow than white, I presume.
	And this was an extraordinarily bizarre thing.
	He said it looked like a flat iron from the back end.
	Very similar to the case that you and I I did a program on last January with Officer Ed Barton and
	Craig Stevens in Western Illinois.
	A remarkable case.
	This is an interesting one and I am terribly grateful to Mr.
	Berg for having come forward with that story.
	You know what, you're right.
	Those descriptions are very similar, aren't they?
	Yeah, they sure are.
	And that officer, sometime we ought to replay some of that audio.
	That was remarkable.
	Yeah, that was a dramatic case, and really kicked off the year 2000.
	Wait until later in the program when I play the first report This one came from the year 2001.
	It came from Australia, interestingly, from a physicist down there.
	I'll be playing that audio clip later in the program, but it has been a remarkable year.
	I think since I was last on this program, we've probably received and catalogued somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 reports.
	What do you think 2001 is going to be like, and where are we headed from here?
	I know that's an impossible thing to ask, but you know, I ask impossible things, so where do you think we're headed?
	I am one of the few UFO investigators who apparently cannot see future events clearly, so I try to avoid pandas like that.
	I just don't know where we're going.
	But given the number of camcorders that are out there and the number of people who are now alert to this phenomenon, I can't help but believe that we're going to start getting some really good, unambiguous video footage of UFOs in the very near future.
	How near?
	I don't know.
	Do you think, Peter, that we could get a photograph or a testimonial or a combination thereof that would be so unambiguous that Everybody would buy it.
	You see, I don't think we could.
	Yeah.
	Wait until these next two witnesses come on the air.
	I guess we have a break at the bottom of the hour.
	We do.
	They, too, saw something on an October evening, although 64 years after Mr. Berg's sighting, last Halloween night, they saw something extraordinary.
	And I'm looking forward very much to having these two guests on.
	I think in response to your question, Art, that The events over Phoenix on the 13th of March 1997 came very close to what you described, and I think what the police officers from Western Illinois saw and reported on the 5th of January last year came very close to being unambiguous, undeniable, despite what Phil Klass and the Second World War... Oh, I know, but you and I, certainly I felt that way, and I know you felt that way, but Peter, I don't think
	You know, short of a creature that you could trot out, and I'm not even sure about that one.
	You know, if you trotted something out in today's world, they'd say, oh no, that's a midget or something in a uniform, and it just wouldn't wash.
	I just wonder if there'd be any way to ever finally prove it.
	Peter, hold on.
	We'll be back, everybody.
	Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle is my guest.
	And boy, is there a lot of spine-chilling stuff ahead.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Well, I think it's time to get ready to realize I'm walking down the street
	of the cold and lonely night God, you know, it's great to be back.
	You take yourself, you take myself, I'm cold Because you're living only for the night
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington is my guest
	and we'll be right back with a couple of people who are using pseudo names.
	Tim, in the studio.
	And Denise.
	Tim from Detroit, Michigan.
	Denise from Signet, Ohio.
	And they've got quite a story for you.
	Listen, the website is up with all of the new information.
	A lot of the stuff I told you about in the first hour.
	And Keith has it reconfigured to handle higher traffic.
	So you should have no trouble getting through now.
	But there's a lot to see up there, so check it out.
	www.artbell.com Let's test it and see how much it can take.
	I don't know.
	I kind of like it.
	All right.
	Now, back to Peter Davenport in Seattle.
	Peter, hi.
	Hi.
	All right.
	Now, you know I'm new at this button stuff, so we'll see if this works.
	We have two guests.
	They are using pseudonames to protect the innocent.
	Tim from Detroit and Denise from Sydney, Ohio.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	Then let's rock.
	Let's see if they are there.
	Tim, are you there?
	Good evening.
	Good evening to you.
	How are you guys doing tonight?
	Just fine.
	And Denise?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Okay, excellent.
	Peter, why don't you lead us into it?
	Well, I'm grateful to these two people, Tim and Denise, for coming on tonight.
	It's 2.30 in the morning for them, but they have a story that I think our audience is going to really enjoy.
	Just to set it up briefly, last Halloween night, these two people and a third individual met very near Signet, Ohio, close to an interstate, Interstate 75, because all of them had seen a most bizarre object that was hovering over an interstate art.
	It was egg-shaped, it had peculiar colors on it, but our two guests tell the story so well that what I would like to do is just go to Tim, have him kick it off, describe where he was coming from, what he saw, and what happened.
	Alright, just one quick question.
	Are the two of you friends?
	We had never met before that night.
	Oh, oh, oh, okay.
	Tim, fire away.
	All right, well, my friend and I, we were coming back from a vacation, and we were driving up through, uh, Ohio.
	We got up to, uh, oh, around Cignet, just south of Cignet, and we saw, uh, well, at least I spotted what looked to be like a shooting star coming across the horizon.
	It was moving at an extremely, uh, fast rate of speed.
	I mean, I've never seen anything move so fast and be so quiet.
	And, um, it shot across the sky, and as it got closer to us, um, We can make out that it was a shape, and sure enough, it appeared to look like an egg, and all of a sudden, there was an explosion out of the back of it, and it came to a complete stop.
	My friend and I looked at each other like, what in the world was that?
	Let's pull off the side road and just watch it.
	So we got out of the car, and we were watching it on the side of an I-75.
	We were watching this thing turn several different colors.
	I mean, red, green, you know.
	Actually, magenta was one of its favorite colors.
	It changed that color several times.
	So, we were watching, and I said, you know what?
	We've got the camcorder, so... Oh, really?
	Well, we jumped back into the car to grab the camcorder, and the battery was dead because I decided to do some videotaping in Tennessee.
	So I said, aha, I got my still camera.
	Those batteries, someone left the camera on, the batteries are dead.
	We're like, oh my goodness, this is ridiculous.
	So we found binoculars.
	We got binoculars out, and we were watching this thing from, you know, as I said, from I-75, and we were observing it for about 20 minutes, and we got back into the car, we got back in the car, we were talking, and we looked over, and it flashed and shot north up.
	But Tim, for this 20 minutes, you're saying it stood in one place?
	It stayed in one place, just dancing above the trees.
	And then it shot up north of I-75, so I said, you know, we could still see it where it moved, because it shot maybe like, maybe a half mile at best.
	So, you know, we decided to get back into the car and get in a little bit closer, you know, sort of track it down.
	And we got off of, I got off at the Signet Road exit, and made a left turn and pulled off to the side of the road, and we were watching it then above some other trees, just beyond a clearing.
	And as we're standing there, that's when Denise showed up.
	She came right up behind us and got out of her car and said, did you guys see it?
	And we said, yep, it's right there.
	And we were watching it outside of the car, talking, and Denise says, well, I'm on a run.
	I work for this company delivering pizzas, and I have to go.
	But we exchanged phone numbers.
	She told us where she works.
	We agreed that we'd meet back over at the pizza place after we decided to go in and investigate.
	So that's how we have both of you on the line right now.
	I'm sorry?
	That's how we have both of you on the line.
	You exchanged numbers.
	Yes, we did.
	We thought it would be wise to exchange numbers, but not exchange stories until we got this reported.
	Smart.
	So my friend and I, we decided to continue on after Denise took off.
	And we got up to this road called Rudolph Road.
	We made a right turn.
	We went down about another, I'd have to say it was about a mile.
	Made a left turn onto a small county road and started going down in between crops that had been harvested.
	You know, on one side it looked to be corn, on the other side it looked to be like some sort of, you know, green crop.
	And we're going down this little road and we're watching this thing above the trees and it's just staying above the trees.
	And I said, you know, I feel like this is close enough.
	We got maybe, I have to say, about an eighth of a mile away from where it was.
	I mean, it was close enough where we could easily see it.
	Could I ask you this?
	Peter and I were talking about this a little while ago.
	In this modern day, when we do hear about, oh, you know, abductions and we know about Alien craft, and we know about aliens, and we are concerned about these things.
	Well, we know about them.
	I mean, didn't you imagine the possibility of Travis Walton happening to, you know, getting abducted or something?
	You know what?
	We were filled with such a giddy and such a joy.
	I mean, really, I mean, we were very excited.
	And it was sort of like a bizarre experience.
	I've never been so thrilled in all my life.
	And, you know, we're watching this thing above the field and above the trees.
	So were the people on top of that building in Independence Day, though.
	Yes.
	Let me ask Denise.
	Denise, did you verify pretty much what he said, even though you weren't there as long?
	Well, I think he saw it come in from wherever it came in, and then I was coming back from a pizza delivery, and I was up on the overpass.
	I had just gotten off of I-75, so I was Coming up to turn onto Cygnet Road and I sort of happened on it in the middle of all this.
	About 500 feet ahead of me there's a little line of trees and I stopped at the stop sign.
	I was getting ready to turn to the right and something caught my eye and out of the trees comes this thing.
	I have to say crap because I've never seen anything like it before.
	And it just sort of glided out from this little fringe of trees.
	No noise?
	No, not that I could tell, although the window was cracked, but we were right on I-75, which is a major, but we're very rural.
	Cygnet is like 900 people, okay?
	And it's right during trick-or-treat.
	And so there's not a lot of noise, just the noise from the cars.
	I didn't hear anything, but out from the trees glides this big black I think.
	And out of the back of it, there's this glowy energy.
	There were no other lights on it when I saw it, just the energy coming out of the back of it.
	And it was relatively egg-shaped.
	The back of it was, like if you're looking at it sideways, the back of it was the narrower part of the egg, and then it was wider in the middle, and then it was sort of blunt toward the top.
	But what I saw was all black, and it had Only thing I could say is energy, because it was a glowing stuff that came out of the back of it, and it sort of backlit the whole thing.
	So you actually saw form to it, right?
	I saw the thing, yes.
	The craft.
	I thought it was black.
	How big would you judge it to be?
	Is there any way to judge?
	Yeah, there is a way.
	I can't do it the way all these scientific people ask me to, but it was like a semi and a half.
	A semi-and-a-half?
	Long.
	A semi-and-a-half?
	Yeah.
	Oh, man, that's big.
	That's relatively large, but it was low.
	I mean, it came out from the trees.
	Well, a semi... And I was a little bit elevated, so I was looking, like, right at it.
	Well, a semi-and-a-half low is big.
	Yeah, it's long.
	Yeah, that's big.
	That's big.
	It's a relatively large thing.
	Okay, if she was seeing that form, Tim, then I presume that what you were seeing was the energy she was describing from the rear.
	You know what?
	When we saw it, it was glowing all about when we got up close to it.
	The colors were changing.
	It definitely changed.
	I'm sorry?
	It definitely changed because when I saw it with you, it had orange and green lights on it.
	But when I first saw it, it was all black with just the energy coming out of the back of it.
	And when we first saw it, it was all white and then turning colors.
	Well, standing in one place for 20 minutes is a long, long time, particularly if you have binoculars.
	At that point, we were only really about a block and a half away from it.
	I mean, because it was just right across I-75.
	So what happened, they saw it come in, I saw the middle, and then what happened was it glided out and it hung in the air.
	And it hung in the air, this whole thing took about a minute, which to me was forever.
	And it hung in the air and it's still glowing out the back of it and then it just pivoted like 10 minutes on a clock.
	It just pivoted toward the north.
	I think it would have been in the northwest.
	And then all of a sudden there was this great big flash of light and it was gone.
	It was completely total.
	I didn't even see it go but I could see the flashlight which direction it took.
	And I think what happened was Tim and his friend were up 75 ahead of me, or behind me, and they thought, come in, and then they also thought, take off.
	So I turned the other way and went and got another pizza, and grabbed one, and it just happened to be to North Baltimore, so instead of taking 75, I just took Cignet Road because I was thinking that was the way it went.
	And I went over the overpass, and I saw their vehicle sitting alongside of the road, and Immediately pulled over.
	I knew exactly why they were there.
	And I got out and it was like, did you see it?
	And it's like, oh my goodness, I did see it.
	Then I got really scared because the whole thing, the thing itself looked very ominous to me.
	It was not an E.T.
	happy thing, happy craft to me, you know?
	It was black and ominous and it moved like nothing I had ever seen before.
	And he said, it's still here.
	And I said, what do you mean it's still here?
	You know, because I had seen it go.
	And he said, look, it's right over there by those woods.
	And he gave me the binoculars, but I was shaking so badly I couldn't see it with the binoculars, but I could see it with my eyes.
	And it had green and orange lights on it.
	And here we are.
	It's Halloween night, for goodness sake.
	Right.
	So I said, well, he said, well, we're going to follow it.
	And I said, well, give me your name and number.
	And because I've got to deliver this pizza.
	Yeah.
	So I said, you come right back there.
	I'm right over the overpass at the pizza place.
	You come back there when you're done.
	And so I made my delivery, and they had their thing going on.
	And when I came back, they were there.
	And the man that was with him was white as a sheet.
	And then he said that what had happened, but we just basically, he said, yes, we saw it.
	And give me your number, and I will call you.
	And that was basically it.
	I never would have reported it because I wouldn't have thought that people, believe me, and they didn't.
	Well, you just described what you saw, Denise.
	What do you think you saw?
	I know what I saw.
	I saw a spacecraft.
	It was like nothing that I had ever seen before.
	It had no exhaust, it had no propellers, it had no wings, it had no The energy coming out of the back of it was something like I had never seen before, and nothing can take off from a dead, hanging in the air, so you can't even see it go!
	And both of you would say there's no way on God's green earth it could have been a Halloween prank by anybody.
	I am really sorry, but no.
	No.
	And the thing was that when I saw it, it didn't have any lights on it.
	But the thing is that People since then had seen SOT come in also, and I didn't see the beginning of this.
	I just saw the middle and a little part of the end, and it all ties together.
	And I never met these people before in my life, and that is scary.
	Okay, Tim, she just mentioned that the gentleman with you was white as a sheep.
	You didn't tell me anything about him.
	How did all this affect him, apparently, profoundly?
	Matter of fact, we really don't even speak anymore.
	It's not that we're mad at each other, it's just that that communication has stopped.
	He was very, very, very shaken after the incident because... Well, I should tell you the rest of the story real quick.
	Go ahead.
	So we decided to stop on this road, and I look over at him and I say, Well, do you want to get out of the car?
	He's like, no.
	So we said, well, let's just stay here and watch it.
	He's like, all right.
	So we're watching it, and it's changing colors again now, you know, and it's above these trees, above a clearing.
	And I said, well, what do you want to do?
	He's like, I don't know.
	We're watching things change colors.
	All of a sudden, the center of it turns black.
	And it looked like there was a halo around it.
	And it looked like it got smaller, so the only thing that I could think of is that it possibly went further west.
	And I was feeling awfully baited at the time.
	Almost like I was in the direct path of prey.
	I'm sorry, predator looking for prey.
	And I felt like we were the prey.
	And so it came back to the full size again, and all of a sudden started turning Really, really red.
	Real red.
	Instead of getting bigger and bigger and bigger, it looked like it was coming closer in.
	At any point during any of this, did either one of you think about, oh, for example, running?
	Well, yeah.
	As soon as it turned bright red, instead of coming up our way, we were far enough away from I-75 where I don't think anyone would have noticed.
	So we both looked at each other and said, we're getting the heck out of here.
	We put the car in gear, and I looked down at the car, and the car was starting to fall out.
	And I was like, oh.
	Oh.
	Not today, people.
	I'm out of here.
	So we maneuvered that car around and we turned around and we made our way back to Signet Road as fast as we possibly could.
	And I'm not even kidding.
	I was hoping that I would get pulled over by a police officer.
	I was hoping.
	I was begging for it.
	This is a very rural area.
	He moved away from the town, so he was out in the middle of basically nowhere.
	Did either one of you or any of you report this to authorities?
	Yes.
	Oh, really?
	Who?
	Yes, and that's how I got hold of Peter.
	You know, they gave me the number down at the Sheriff's Department.
	Unfortunately, a lot of law enforcement just simply don't know what to do with these reports, and so they have Peter's number and they send it off to Peter.
	Well, the funny thing is that I spoke to the An investigator down in Lima and he said that he called up to that sheriff's department and he said that there was no police reports made.
	And I said, John, you're kidding me.
	I made a report.
	And he's like, well, they said that there was no report.
	However, we were not the only people, I guess, that night that saw it.
	There were three other witnesses and two truck drivers on I-75 that saw it.
	And so now they're trying to I guess triangulate how fast the craft was, how far it was above the ground, that type of thing, from where the two truckers were, because there's one south of it and there's one north of it.
	If I could cut in here for a second.
	More witnesses are now coming forward.
	This investigator that Tim alluded to is none other than Mr. John P. Timmerman, who used to be a colleague of J. Allen Hynek.
	He's affiliated with the Center for UFO Studies out of Chicago, and he is a very experienced ufologist and investigator.
	But I have a question for you, Tim and Denise.
	While you were standing watching that, at one time or another, how many cars do you think passed by that object on the interstate, and how many of them pulled off or stopped to look at this object?
	That people must be crazy because I could see it in front of my face, not 500 feet away, but I was a little bit elevated because I was coming up the ramp.
	But there were cars passing right and left.
	They didn't see it.
	They just didn't see it.
	Maybe they weren't looking up.
	And I was elevated a little bit, but this thing was low.
	And the energy coming out of the back of it, especially when it took off, was phenomenal.
	So I don't know why I saw it.
	And why they weren't Rex on 75, to tell you the absolute truth.
	Well, again, I think it's because people don't look up.
	I've always thought that.
	Peter, would you like to hold these two through the news?
	I would indeed, if they wouldn't mind spending a few more minutes with us.
	All right, can you do that, you two?
	No problem.
	All right, good.
	Stay right where you are, and we'll be right back.
	What would you have done in that situation?
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	Good morning, everybody.
	Of course, Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, is here as my guest.
	Along with, he has brought Tim from Detroit, Michigan, Denise from Signet, Ohio.
	They shared something out on the highway.
	Something that Denise said was a spacecraft.
	We're going to continue with them for a few moments, break, and then proceed from there.
	We've got a lot for you tonight, so stay right where you are.
	Peter, Tim, Denise, you're all back on the air again.
	Welcome back.
	Denise said that what she saw was the word spacecraft.
	Tim, was there any question in your mind that that's what you saw?
	There is absolutely no question in my mind.
	I know exactly what I saw.
	The only way that I could honestly describe it is having knowledge.
	I mean, people believe in things.
	I know what I saw.
	I don't know what it was, but I know it wasn't from here.
	It's nothing I've ever seen before.
	Correct.
	And the thing is that unless you've seen something like this, I didn't ask to see this thing.
	It sort of just popped into my vision.
	And the first thing I said was, what the bleep is that?
	To myself, because I tend to talk to myself.
	When you're delivering pizzas, you tend to do that.
	But it couldn't have been anything else.
	It was hovering over 75.
	And that is the thing.
	And it moved like nothing I had ever seen.
	And the thing was that I thought maybe I was going nuts until I met him.
	And he says, and it's still here.
	And then I got scared.
	I mean, that was scary.
	Because... That and, of course, your pieces were getting cold.
	Oh, well, that's a third of my livelihood, yes.
	I understand.
	But the thing was that unless you have seen something like that, you can say, oh yes, I believe that there are spaceships running around.
	But until you see one and then you realize that so many things that happen that cannot be denied, that come in a line, then you get scared.
	And this thing was ominous.
	So to all those people out there who say, what a bunch of hogwash, what did the two of you say?
	I wish I would have had a camera.
	Now there is a camera in the car.
	No, I understand that.
	I can understand in a way because your mind automatically rejects what is not known to you.
	That's right.
	That's right, sure it does.
	It does, and I find myself, even when I turn, it's like, oh well, that was a spaceship.
	What are you talking about?
	I think I was sort of in shock because your mind, when you see something that you don't know how to describe it because you've never seen anything like it, your mind sort of gets numb, but you know what you saw.
	And my doctor said, well, it could have been anything.
	Oh, you told your doctor?
	Yes, in fact, I'm sort of upset with my doctor right now, because I wanted him to help me with this, and I haven't heard from him.
	Because I know what I saw, and I want to validate it.
	And, you know, some people do think you're a little off, but I am a very rational person.
	Well, you sound rational.
	Thank you very much.
	You certainly do, and you also do, Tim.
	Well, I have to tell you one thing.
	I also went to see a hypnotherapist on this situation.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Did we do a little regression?
	Yes, we did.
	The first time, I got through the story where I was under hypnosis, but I jumped out of hypnosis.
	Stumbled the poor man right out of his chair, because my legs started flinching, my arms started flinching.
	Next thing I know, I was out of the chair, completely out of hypnosis.
	Shaking pretty badly.
	And the second time that I went, I had, yet again, a real tough time recalling the story.
	And so he let me out easy that time.
	But what really frosts me is that the government is totally in denial about this to the people.
	And that has me extremely concerned.
	I mean, this is a huge event.
	I mean, not since Moses and the burning bush that we had such a wonderful ...discovery, and the government is pretending like it doesn't exist, and I, you know, and if you do happen to go say something to them, well then, you know, goodness knows what could happen.
	And they're the ones with all the sensors, all the aircraft, all the radar, all the ability to know that they're really there.
	But they deny it!
	Right, they deny it.
	The records, there was an article in our, in the Finley, Ohio paper, January 8th, this happened Halloween night.
	Finally, it was on the front page of the paper on January 8th.
	Oh.
	And with a big picture and everything.
	They did a wonderful job with it.
	And they said that all the records, nothing showed up on radar and all the records have been pitched.
	Yeah, they've been destroyed.
	Since then.
	Excuse me, they've been pitched?
	Well, they've been destroyed.
	Yeah, they were destroyed or recycled or whatever.
	Right.
	They did.
	Yeah, right.
	That's what I said.
	So we're left with nothing.
	But, you know, to validate something that some people are listening, this was on the front page of the paper.
	Granted, it was January 8th.
	There must not have been too much news or something, but they did do a very good article.
	Well, that's great, but this may give the two of you a little bit of comfort.
	There was a congressman in New Mexico who did an extensive investigation into Roswell.
	And what was the bottom line at the end?
	Well, the records were all Destroyed.
	Correct.
	They were all destroyed.
	That's what we're dealing with now.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Peter, anything else?
	Just one thing for Tim.
	If you're comfortable talking about this, Tim, you had some physical sequelae the next day.
	The next several days after this incident, you reported to us, I believe, were not your easiest days on this planet.
	How did you feel after this incident?
	Yeah.
	Okay, we'll talk about that.
	I was wondering if we were going to get into that or not.
	After my compatriot and I saw this flying carnival, we both developed some bizarre symptoms.
	I had an extreme headache.
	Actually, since the event, I get the same type of headache almost every day.
	As my friend said, he got sick and we both had pain in our abdomen.
	And when we looked, our abdomen, our side, it was inflamed and red.
	You know, these sorts of things are signs of, dare I say it, some sort of something that occurred to you that you were not aware of consciously, perhaps through hypnosis it might be brought back.
	Dare I suggest something did occur to you?
	Well, let me continue on.
	We decided the night that we got home that we would keep a journal in case we remembered anything that maybe we had forgotten, any excitement.
	We wanted to write our stories down.
	We wanted to keep journals, especially the way we felt afterwards.
	Just the usual stuff.
	Of course.
	Just to give ourselves, I guess, some balance.
	The first night back on November 1st, I'm downstairs and I'm watching TV and I hear I'm not going to put any credence into that.
	So I ignored it.
	I heard it again.
	I said, well, it's probably the TV.
	So I walked over and I shut off the TV and the whole room was quiet and I heard it again.
	Well, needless to say, it was a rough night sleeping.
	The next day my friend came over and we had our little notebooks, our pieces of paper
	and said, ìWell, anything you think of anything?î Heís like, ìWell, something really weird
	happened.î He said, ìMy dad and I were in the living room last night around 1 oíclock
	in the morning and we heard voices outside.î I said, ìReally?î He said, ìYeah.î I said,
	ìDid they happen to sound like this?î And the noise, I know this is going to sound ridiculous
	but please bear with me, the noise sounded something like this.
	Binary sounding stuff.
	So I made the noise for Jeff.
	His eyes almost fell out of his head.
	He turned white and he just didnít want to talk about it anymore.
	He really just flipped out.
	Well, I handed him the sheet and I said, ìI heard the same thing.î He was like, ìNo way,
	no way.î I said, ìYeah.î So the next night, he and his girlfriend heard the same thing
	but I didnít hear anything.
	The third night, on November the 3rd, 3.30 a.m., I woke up screaming at the top of my lungs, running through the house.
	I have no idea why.
	I was terrified.
	My heart was beating extremely fast, and I woke up pretty much every occupant in the house, and, uh, what's going on?
	What's going on?
	I have no idea.
	It felt like someone had touched me, and I woke up, and I was screaming.
	And so I laid back down to sleep, and I looked over at the clock, and it was around, about that time, it was around 3.32, 3.33, and I got that headache back again.
	And usually what I'll do is if I get a headache, I'll just try to breathe and relax and, you know, count to 10, just try to do anything just to relax myself.
	And so I closed my eyes and I counted to 10, and I opened my eyes, and 15 minutes had passed.
	And I could not sleep.
	And I have to say, since then, every time I stay anywhere, the clocks are always off by 15 minutes to 2 hours.
	Well, these are all classic signs of abduction.
	Right, Peter?
	It certainly makes an experienced investigator very suspicious, and it warrants exploration, and I hope that nothing serious has happened there.
	A fascinating case, and boy do they tell it well, Art.
	I thought our audience would like to hear it.
	I'm sure glad you have them, Peter.
	Listen, you two, thank you so much.
	The story for you, Denise, have you had any of this happen to you?
	No.
	But Tim is the one who chases this thing for a long time.
	Yeah, I'm the one that had the job.
	I want to thank both of you for coming on, and Tim, I'm sure you know how to get hold of me.
	There's a million ways.
	Your story, it sounds like, may not be over.
	Well, you know what?
	I'll tell you what.
	I have become completely nocturnal since this event.
	Peter was saying to me, oh, you have no problem staying up until 2.
	I'm usually up until 4, 35 o'clock every day.
	All right.
	Well, listen to me.
	If anything else happens, you get hold of me and we'll follow up with you, all right?
	Well, absolutely.
	Thank you for giving us the format.
	We really appreciate it.
	All right.
	Tim, Denise, thank you both.
	Thank you.
	And good night.
	And Peter, hold on, and we will be right back.
	All right, back we are with Peter Davenport from the UFO Reporting Center, the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington.
	I want to add right here, and this is very important, so please listen to me very closely.
	The National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle is an incredibly important resource.
	They operate on donations.
	Without donations, they don't operate.
	And so, that means that you've got to help us out here.
	And so, I'm making the appeal for Peter.
	If you would send a $10 or a $20 donation to keep the National UFO Reporting Center going, I would appreciate it.
	And I know Peter would, and it would keep things going up there and keep these reports coming.
	So, if you can make out a check for $10 or $20, or whatever you can afford, and send it to... Are you ready to write?
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	Here's the guy, once again, who runs that, Peter Davenport.
	Peter?
	Yes, and thank you for mentioning that, Art.
	Those little donations over the years have been very helpful, and paying the phone bill, paying the internet services, postage, and so on and so forth, and I'm terribly grateful to you.
	Everything that's needed to keep it going, in other words.
	So people really need to know how important that is.
	Alright, we have yet another couple of guests.
	We were going to have three, again with pseudonames.
	I want to tell people up front, Chris, Mark, and Rob were due to be here.
	Rob is not here, but we do have Chris and Mark from Oregon.
	What are we about to hear, Peter?
	In a sense, the story we just heard with Tim and Denise is a prelude to what we're about to hear, Art.
	I did not want to hit our audience with this case cold, without some kind of build-up, some kind of preparation, something to give them a little bracer, if you will.
	The story that we are about to hear from these two gentlemen is one of the most remarkable cases I think I've heard of, certainly since you started your sabbatical back in April of last year.
	And part of the reason I invited these gentlemen on is they tell their story very well, very well indeed.
	It is tremendously dramatic.
	These gentlemen are professionals.
	They're experienced outdoorsmen.
	They've been hunting in the same area in central Idaho for the last 20 years.
	They vacation up there with their families.
	They know the area.
	And the interesting thing about the report that we're about to hear from these gentlemen is they reported it to the authorities up there in Idaho.
	Now that makes a big difference from our experience because people who are trying to pull your leg almost invariably, we believe, Will not report their story to the authorities, to the FAA, to law enforcement, and so on and so forth.
	They might call Peter Davenport, but they wouldn't call the police.
	Exactly.
	These gentlemen did, and just to give a little preface, to put it in some kind of context, last September 27th, year 2000, that was a Wednesday night, four gentlemen were at an extremely remote hunting camp that they have been at For the last 20 years or so.
	In fact, their biggest concern when they called us is they didn't want the location of their hunting camp revealed, lest anybody start using this beautiful place up in Idaho.
	But they called, actually the first party to call us was the FAA out of Boise, Idaho to report that they had just received this report with GPS coordinates and details, and the gentleman sounded extremely credible.
	Oh, the FAA called you first?
	That was the first authority or facility to call us about this report.
	They had just taken the report, but they had failed to get the name or telephone number, even if indeed it was available to them.
	But fortunately, the gentleman we're about to hear called us about 30 minutes later, and that is what permits us to present this case to our audience tonight.
	This is an astonishing case, Art.
	Four gentlemen at a camp, one of them goes out to his truck to get some food out of a food locker in the back of their pickups.
	They're in bear country, so I presume they wouldn't keep their sardines under their pillowcase.
	What this fellow, a seasoned outdoorsman, a professional, an engineer, a businessman, saw above his head, I'm going to leave for them to describe, because I can't do it any better than they can do it.
	Why don't we just go to our two guests?
	Alright, we're very close to the bottom of the hour, but we have two guests, Chris and Mark.
	I think they're probably not both on the phone at the same time.
	Who have I got here?
	You've got Chris, but we can both hear you at the same time.
	Hi, Chris.
	Mark, are you also there?
	Yeah, this is Mark.
	Okay, good.
	We've got you both in.
	That's great.
	Good evening, gentlemen.
	Good evening, Peter.
	You're going to have to speak up good and loud for us now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Everybody get good and close to the phone and yell at us.
	So, you guys were camping?
	Yes.
	We go there during bow hunting season to do some elk hunting and just to enjoy the outdoors.
	And when was this?
	It was September 27th, Wednesday, 9.45 in the evening.
	Alright, I'll tell you what.
	Hold it right there because we're already at the bottom of the hour.
	I have to abide by the clock, and we'll get the whole story coming up.
	Stay right where you are.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Stay right where you are, because this is a spine-tingler coming up.
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	So, my folks, before you meet my child, I did it before I have to give.
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	Good morning, everybody, and welcome back to the program.
	We've got quite a story ahead for you, uh, from Oregon.
	And they just keep on coming, and I suppose, singly, you could dismiss any of these, but collectively, I don't think it's so easy.
	Just keep listening.
	You decide for yourself.
	We continue.
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	So if you want to get caught up on what I've been doing, and it's been a lot, it's all up on the website right now.
	And I think we've got the pipe open enough so you can all get in.
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	It's a snap.
	Alright, once again I want to say this.
	As you listen to these various reports, and we've already heard several tonight, and we're about to hear another from Chris and Mark, you can dismiss, I suppose, any single one if you wish, but as it begins to add up collectively, I don't think so.
	And I'm not naive enough to believe that we are alone, and I don't think you are either.
	Are you really?
	As I said in contact And I'll always treasure this saying.
	I don't know why, but it affected me profoundly.
	When you look up at the night sky, and we've got a hell of a night sky here in Nevada, all of that, each one of those little dots of light is a sun.
	And around those suns, we now know increasingly there are more and more planets that we are discovering.
	So planets are common.
	Life is probably common.
	And if they're not out there, what a waste of space.
	The odds are very strong, in my opinion, that they are indeed out there, and equally strong that we're being visited.
	And we continue to present evidence for your consideration.
	Here we go again.
	Peter, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	And Chris and Mark, welcome back as well.
	So, you were camping.
	I'm going to let you unfold the story.
	Gentlemen, go right ahead.
	Okay.
	My brother, Mark, he had been Um, they're approximately a week before I was, and they had been, um, had mules and backpacks up into the mountains, and they'd been back in there for about six days, and then I came a little bit later, um, and we, basically, I had a, uh, camp trailer, and we use it as a base camp, and it's, um, parked back into the bottom of this deep canyon.
	Uh, a creek runs by.
	It's pretty narrow, and it's really secluded.
	And we've been there for several days, and we came back the evening of Wednesday, Wednesday the 27th, and we got back into camp after dark.
	It was about 9 o'clock when we got there, and we had taken some video that day with a video camera of just the scenery and everything that we'd seen.
	We were reviewing it, looking at the video camera, and watching what we had seen or taken that day, and we all started getting I'm hungry and so I looked around in the trailer and didn't see anything.
	So I went out into the back of my pickup and I have a covered box back there, a metal box, and to get in it I climb up on the side, stand up on the tire to lean over so I'm not leaning over the edge to get in there.
	I had the lid up, I had bags of groceries back there, and I had my mini mag flashlight shining around inside the bags of groceries to see what I wanted to get and take back in. All of a sudden I got this
	really strange being watched feeling.
	Hair on the back of your neck kind of deal? Yeah, chills. I also got a feeling that I
	explained afterwards to these guys, like if you were in a totally dark room and a bunch
	of people had a foot thick wool blanket and were holding it right over the top of you,
	how you would kind of know it was there even though it wasn't touching you.
	Yeah, you know I think that's a thing, a primal kind of thing that we share with animals.
	Oh, I was glad I had it.
	No, I mean that kind of feeling that you're being watched, that something's close to you, it's a primal feeling.
	Right.
	And somehow, some way, I knew that it was above me.
	It wasn't something on the ground or something on the hillside looking like an animal or a bear.
	I've been in the woods a lot, and you get a feeling that something's like this, but this was pretty strong.
	And I just had the intense feeling.
	I knew to look straight up above me.
	And I looked up and was stepping down off the tire of the side of my pickup at the same time.
	And as I did that, I had this one of the MiniMag AA flashlights, not a big one, and that was in my hand and it kind of just, the motion of me stepping down off the pickup and looking up, and my flashlight swept across the bottom of Big, dark object that was straight above us, about 200 feet right above me.
	And it just, when my flashlight went across a corner of it, it just totally floored me.
	Blew all comprehension.
	How far above you was it?
	200 feet maximum.
	So it was... And how big was it?
	Um, when I went out later, and we looked, and my impression is to try and make sure that I was, you know, correct, and it was, my estimation is it's about 300 feet wide.
	It was a big, black, perfect triangle sitting right above our camp.
	It wasn't hovering, it was just in the air, not moving, dead silent, pitch black.
	It blocked out the sky above me.
	I could see the stars around the edges.
	It's like if you see the outline of a tree against a night sky.
	You can see it.
	You know it's there.
	No doubt whatsoever.
	I hear you.
	I saw the same thing, a triangle directly above me.
	I don't know how we can impart to the people listening to this, when you've seen it, you've seen it.
	Believe me, there's no question in your mind about what you have seen.
	I have experienced this as well, so I can share the feeling with you.
	I wish we could find words, maybe we can, to tell everybody what it's like to see something that big directly above you.
	Well, if you could get it across verbally what this is like, it would enlighten a whole lot of people.
	I kind of fell and stumbled down off my pickup yelling, holy blank, holy blank, holy blank, You guys have got to get out here to see this at the top of my lungs.
	And when my flashlight went across the corner of it, it knew it had been spotted.
	It activated a slight, really deep, powerful sound that I could just barely hear.
	And then lights came on right at the same time.
	There was a light in each big white round domed light in the corner of each corner of
	the triangle.
	Each corner or each point of the triangle.
	When it did that, it activated that sound and those lights came on and it started raising
	straight up above us.
	When it did that, that's about the same time that Mark and Rob came out.
	I grabbed hold of Mark's shirt on his arm and kind of lifted myself up off the ground
	and was pointing straight up.
	I didn't have to say anything and it moved straight up and then started to go, I call it forward because that was the direction that it moved, assuming that was the front.
	It could have moved any one of the corners could have been the front.
	It just happened to move that direction.
	Right.
	Moving up a canyon.
	We were camped at about 6,500 feet.
	And this canyon is a narrow, deep, steep canyon that climbs up and goes up to about 11,000 feet, 10,500 feet.
	And the minute, the second it started moving forward, it quit making sound.
	It went totally dead silent at that point again.
	and it just moved very, very slowly and easily up that canyon.
	And like I explained it, the only thing I can think of is if you take a hockey puck
	and put it on ice and give it a shove, it moved that easily and that smoothly.
	Kind of like gliding or floating, not flying.
	It wasn't flying.
	It was, yeah, just like something moving in water, basically.
	Well, maybe for it, our atmosphere is like water.
	Mark, is that where, in other words, you came out, he grabbed you.
	What did you see at that point?
	Well, yeah.
	Actually, there was another person.
	Rob was out there when Chris saw this thing, but Rob didn't know it was there.
	So, I'm sitting inside the camp trailer that's just 10, 20 feet away from where Chris is at with another person inside.
	We have no clue what's going on.
	I didn't hear anything.
	We were actually reviewing a little bit of the video we'd taken that day.
	I'm inside.
	Rob, this other person that was with us, was just stepping back into the trailer, and he hasn't seen any of this stuff.
	And Chris says, hey guys, you've got to get out of here.
	And, you know, when he said that, the tone in his voice, it wasn't like, hey, you saw... Did you hear him say, saying, holy blank, holy blank?
	Yeah, it was the tone of his voice.
	And, you know, I wasn't thinking, because we had six mules tied up right there, too.
	And, you know, it wasn't like, hey, there's a bear trying to get the mules or anything.
	I could tell.
	I'd never heard him sound like that before.
	So I'm in my stocking seat and everything, and I just stepped out the door immediately.
	I wasn't thinking about grabbing a weapon or anything to, you know, fight off a bear if there was a bear out there.
	And he grabbed me by the arm, and this guy is, like, in shock.
	And he just points right up in front of me, right there.
	So Rob is standing out there now.
	In a state of shock.
	And I'm right there looking at this thing.
	And it just starts... I mean, it wasn't directly above us when I saw it.
	It was already ascending and moving away.
	And so I'm just standing there looking and I have no idea what I'm looking at.
	Except it's huge.
	And it's not... I don't hear anything.
	I can't hear any sound at all.
	Right.
	And that's what really baffled me.
	You know, not to mention that, like Chris kind of explained, this is really Rugged terrain.
	We're right where two deep canyons converge.
	The head of a trailhead.
	And I'm looking at this like there's no way something like this could be going up that in the dark.
	And it's not making any sound.
	It's huge.
	It's got those three lights on the bottom of it.
	So Rob and I, I can't remember which one of us said it, but one of us said, let's grab our binoculars.
	We both had a pair of 10 power binoculars that were in my truck right there.
	And we immediately grabbed those.
	I mean, this thing's close enough.
	When I first saw it, I could have shot it with a pistol.
	So I grabbed my binoculars, and that just took a couple of seconds.
	And we're looking at it through our 10-power binoculars.
	I can't believe what I'm looking at.
	And none of it's registering.
	How much more visible was it through the binoculars?
	Well, we're looking through Zeiss binoculars.
	Good optics.
	And it's extremely visible.
	I mean, I can see everything about it.
	And it's just, it's like it's barely even moving.
	It's climbing, and it's going away, so I couldn't really accurately judge the speed.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Our previous two guests I asked, because one commented, did you see, do you both think you saw a spacecraft?
	You know, I don't know what I saw.
	I've never seen anything like it before, and I could tell you what it wasn't.
	I kind of agreed with what I think her name was, Denise.
	That's right, yes.
	I know what I was looking at, but I didn't have the knowledge of explaining to myself what it was.
	I didn't know what it was.
	I still don't know what it was.
	What about you, Chris?
	Would you put a name to what you saw?
	Three thoughts that instantly went through my head that I can recall later.
	One was the size.
	Damn, this thing is huge.
	The other thing is it's moving and there's absolutely no sound.
	The other thought was, this isn't from here.
	That's just kind of the first impressions that hit right at that point.
	It was when my flashlight flashed across the bottom of it.
	I could see detail, kind of a black.
	It was radiused corners.
	It was perfect.
	That was another thing that was impressive.
	It was perfect in every aspect.
	All the details of it had rounded, radiused edges.
	They were black.
	It had kind of a gold gray, like suede leather texture on it.
	There weren't inspection plates or anything like that.
	It was something like a well-machined piece of metal.
	You could see the density.
	In other words, almost like it was made in a mold or something?
	Yeah, it was perfect.
	There was the relationship of the size of the lights to how it was, everything just fit.
	That was impressive.
	It was awesome.
	I don't know how to explain it.
	What I know for sure is this thing was a craft.
	I mean, it was really there.
	This wasn't something... I'm not exaggerating when I'm saying I could shot it with a pistol.
	This was point blank.
	Probably would have been a poor idea.
	Well, I don't know.
	Anyway, I mean, I can't describe it because I've never seen anything like it before.
	It wasn't flying.
	I'm a pilot, so I have a little bit of knowledge about what it takes to keep something airborne.
	Yes.
	But it wasn't flying.
	It was just kind of floating.
	I'm with you.
	And, you know, we've thought about this, you know, a million times since we've seen it.
	There was no atmospheric disturbance at all.
	Everything was quiet.
	We got six mules there, and they'll pick up anything.
	I don't know if you're familiar with horses in the backcountry or mules, but if there's something going on, they'll know about it before you do, and they were oblivious to this.
	And they were right there, and this thing was just, like, right above them, and they had no clue.
	After this, I presume you all, once it disappeared, you got together and you talked about what you just saw.
	Yeah, Chris really shook up.
	That's one of the things that stands out most about the whole thing.
	I mean, I've seen him in some pretty stressful situations.
	I've seen him right after he's had a bear charging several times, and you know, he'd laugh about it.
	But this, I mean, he was, I've described it before, and I, you know, It was a trauma type deal for him.
	It was almost like somebody just seen their whole family killed right before their eyes.
	I mean, he was... I hear you.
	All right.
	Well, but you no doubt, you had to have sat down at some point and talked about it and said, what are we going to do?
	Who are we going to report this to?
	And we did that.
	I mean, actually what we did, Rob and Chris and myself, the other person, he never made it out to even see it.
	We sat down and we just kind of drew out a description of what we'd just seen.
	Good.
	Everything jived.
	Chris has really shut up, like I said, but he wasn't going to stick around that night after this happened.
	He was getting out of there.
	You were out, huh, Chris?
	I was gone as much as I tried to reasonably think that what could happen.
	And my comprehension of what had gone on wasn't there at all.
	And this guy is level-headed.
	He's the kind of guy that if something's going wrong, he wants to have it there.
	And he got to see the thing in what would probably be a more threatening position.
	When Rob and I saw it, it was moving away from me.
	So when I'm looking at it, I'm not fearing for my life or anything.
	I'm getting to really look at it.
	For you, Chris, it was close-up and personal.
	It was real close up and personal.
	It was definitely, no question, observing.
	Alright.
	Y'all hold on.
	We'll be right back.
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	When you sit and you listen to story after story from obviously rational people, you
	can begin to draw some sort of conclusions. But I think one thing is, you just can't say,
	gee, what a bunch of nuts, because they're not that.
	Chris and Mark are using pseudonames for probably very good reasons.
	You've heard what they saw, at least most of it.
	The question is, what did they do?
	In a moment, we'll find out, because they did report it.
	If you're curious, we'll find out to whom, and to what effect, right after this.
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	Really important new stuff.
	Interesting new stuff, anyway.
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	All right back now to Peter Davenport in Seattle and to Chris and Mark In Oregon, these are pseudo-names.
	These are not your real names, you two.
	Why did you decide not to use your real names?
	As if I don't know, but I want to hear from you.
	Various reasons of being contacted, I guess.
	This is new territory for us.
	Yes, I understand.
	Actually, I didn't want anybody... I'm kind of protective of my home area.
	And you don't want anybody poaching you?
	I didn't want to draw a whole lot of attention.
	I mean, we'll tell people, I just don't want to broadcast it over people I don't know.
	Well, you are doing that, but of course you're doing it anonymously.
	We are actually broadcasting right now.
	Who did you report this to, and did you decide collectively who you were going to go to or what?
	Well, that evening, tried my might, I couldn't get myself to stay there.
	And so we drove several hours to the first little town and spent the night in a motel.
	I laid there thinking about the whole thing that night and I did kind of drift off to sleep, but the one kind of funny thing was when I'm laying there in the motel bed and the motel heater came on, Kind of dozed off a little bit, and that thing came on, and I think I levitated about six inches above the shed at that point, when that sound came on.
	But the next morning, we decided, Rob and his dad, his dad is just about 70 years old, and that's one of the reasons he didn't make it out of the trailer in time to see what was going on above us.
	They stayed the night there.
	And when we were coming back out that way, we stopped at the airport.
	I don't know for what reason.
	I don't think we expected to see it there on the runway.
	Well, I wanted to call somebody.
	And I didn't know who to call.
	I'd never dealt with this thing before.
	So I decided to call Boise Flight Service, the FAA, in Boise, Idaho.
	And I called the flight service attendant.
	They give you the weather briefing.
	And told him what we'd seen, and explained the situation, and he was real interested.
	And he passed us off to the State Aeronautics Division.
	So I called them right after that.
	He gave us the numbers, I called them, and I don't remember whether I called the military after that.
	No.
	I think I called the FAA in Seattle, or wherever it was, the Office of the Assistant Director of the FAA.
	I spoke to them about it and explained what had happened.
	I wasn't sure what kind of response I was going to get, but they were really interested.
	As a matter of fact, they brought several people into the room and had me explain that to them again.
	Really?
	Yes.
	There were several people in there listening to the whole thing, and everybody was real cooperative.
	I think they gave us Peter's number, and then I called the military, Mountain Home Air Force Base.
	Is the nearest Air Force Base.
	So I called them.
	Because, you know, I was thinking, hey, if they're doing something with some aircraft I've never seen or don't know of, you know, I didn't find it real funny.
	No, of course not.
	And I'm sure that you asked the FAA as well if they saw anything on radar.
	Yeah, they didn't see anything.
	And the military saw nothing.
	Yeah, but they could tell by the way we were talking, by the way I was talking, that this was a serious deal.
	So I didn't know where to go, so that's where I started.
	They put us in touch with Peter.
	The military, they were real up front.
	They passed us through several people.
	They said, hey, we're not going to confirm or deny anything.
	Oh, did they really?
	Yeah.
	Confirm or deny?
	That's great.
	What?
	They actually called us back a couple days later and told us they didn't have anything going through there.
	Rob and his dad were still back at camp.
	You mean at camp?
	Okay, now let me get this straight.
	At first they said, we can't confirm or deny anything.
	Then they called you back two days later and said, oh, by the way, there was nothing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there was nothing, basically.
	All right.
	And there's one point I'd like to clarify.
	Forgive me for breaking in.
	No, break in any time you want.
	What time did you talk to the military on Thursday morning, the 28th of September, For future reference purposes that I'm sure are clear to you gentlemen now, what time did you talk to Mountain Home Air Force Base?
	It was between probably nine and ten o'clock, just guessing.
	And we're shortly to arrive at a very interesting incident that occurred that Thursday morning.
	I know you're anticipating what I'm talking about here, but the timing is extremely important because the Air Force responded to your call and somehow they responded to this sighting report.
	Yeah, because Rob and his dad were back at camp, and right there near camp, I guess they were up on the side of the hill, and two fighters came by.
	Oh?
	Yeah, not long after we called.
	A couple hours after we called and talked to them.
	Okay, so it takes the Air Force about two hours, and how did they know to get to your exact camp?
	Well, when I was speaking to them, we had GPS's with us.
	And I gave them the exact coordinates.
	I mean, the exact coordinates of where it happened, so they knew exactly where this was.
	They knew exactly where to go, too.
	Right.
	And I don't know if it was just coincidence.
	I don't think so.
	They were doing a flyby shortly thereafter.
	Yeah, what's the likelihood that two jet fighters would come down the same canyon, if I recall your story correctly, go right over the camp, you'd given them the exact GPS coordinates, Those are the same numbers in your report on our website for the 27th of September, and two fighters just happened to pass over that coordinate.
	I think the Air Force was interested, very interested, in your report.
	Well, and then, like I said earlier, they even called us back a couple days later, you know, and confirmed that they didn't have anything come over us at the coordinates in the time that we'd spoken about.
	You think they were just being courteous to you, or do you think... I didn't expect them to call back.
	I certainly would not have expected him to call you back either.
	Were they trying to just sort of settle you down and say, well, you guys didn't really see anything or there wasn't anything really there?
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, I think I was a little testy with him when I was talking to him because I wanted to know what I saw.
	And like I explained to him, I said, you know, if you guys have got something that nobody knows about, you shouldn't be hovering over civilians in the middle of the night, you know?
	Heck, that could give somebody a heart attack.
	That's right.
	So I basically told them that if they did it again, I don't have anything real powerful, but I was going to take a pot shot at them.
	They were real understanding.
	I don't think I scared them.
	I'm glad they weren't worried about their fighters.
	Well, I can tell you this much.
	They were interested in what we saw.
	We gave them a description.
	They didn't give us a whole lot of feedback back, but they were interested.
	Well, welcome to the club.
	That's what I tell everybody.
	It's an ever-enlarging club, and I don't know what to tell the two of you except, do you think what you saw was from here or elsewhere?
	Well, like I told the military when I talked to them, if we don't have one of those, we need to get one.
	When I saw what I saw, which was a triangle floating, not flying, it was obvious to me that either we have anti-gravitic technology, or, if we don't, then it wasn't from here.
	It's not that simple.
	Right.
	I mean, I can't imagine it.
	Like I said, I have no idea what it is.
	But it was there.
	We did see it.
	It made no noise.
	It didn't disturb the animals.
	I mean, it was very, very stealthy.
	The only thing I didn't understand is how they could sneak up on us like that.
	Why did those lights go on?
	They could have backed out of there.
	I would have never even known the things there if Chris wouldn't have been outside.
	Any after effects for either one of you, other than emotional?
	I'll let Chris take that.
	Really?
	There really wasn't anything.
	There really wasn't anything.
	When I got home several days later, I was in the shower and I noticed some stinging
	on my ankle.
	I still attribute it to a spider in the bed or something, but I had pretty much a perfect inch by three inch L-shaped dots, kind of a perfect alignment on the side of my ankle, but they went away and there's been nothing there.
	So that was probably pure coincidence, but at the time, you know, it seemed a little strange.
	This thing was just as real as it can get.
	There's no light anomaly.
	This was a perfectly clear night.
	No wind.
	Probably 45 degrees.
	It was a real deal.
	Yeah.
	There was no mistaking a light anomaly, a cloud anomaly, things that you hear, people.
	This was right there.
	Not a lot of swamp gas in Idaho.
	No.
	You know, it was there.
	It was dark.
	It was black.
	It was floating there above us.
	And when it was spotted, it started up.
	Lights came on, and it floated away until it went out of sight.
	It was in absolutely no hurry.
	It went up, flit up that canyon, maybe, I'd take a guess, at 25 miles an hour until it went over the horizon and we couldn't see it anymore.
	And we have to see where this thing was to really appreciate it.
	You know, everybody will say, How come it's always campers out in the middle of a campsite in Idaho somewhere?
	How come it's never over New York City?
	Well, you know what?
	That's a good question, because there have been some people there.
	This occurred, happened, when nobody but us was there.
	Right.
	I mean, we just happened to have GPS receivers on at the time.
	I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, but they do emit, you know, a radio frequency.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Alright, well, that's a hell of a story!
	Another interesting point, quickly, here is from seeing that straight above me, and seeing what it looked like, and then watching as it went up the canyon the next day, drew some pictures, and as it was about halfway up the canyon, just the perspective of looking at it, I knew it was a triangle, but halfway up the canyon, And the perspective of it made it look kind of like a giant cigar shape if you're looking at it from the back.
	And then as it got almost to the horizon and got farther away, this also had a big ruby red colored 20 foot circle of light that protruded down from the bottom of it about 8 feet approximately.
	And it kind of pulsed You know, it didn't flash like an airplane light or anything, and it didn't really emit light at all.
	Pulse, you know, like once every two seconds or something.
	And that, when it got a long ways away, and I drew the picture and didn't realize it until I was done drawing it, that looked like the classic UFO shape that you see so often, that kind of the dome on top, the little protrusion on the bottom, and the round shape.
	And it was all because of the perspective at the distance that it was.
	If you can get me a copy of those drawings, I'll get them on the website.
	Yeah, I can get those.
	Alright, well that's one whale of a tale, folks.
	So Art, if you really want to find out what you saw, where do you go from here?
	You know, I've asked myself that question a million times.
	I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	I honestly don't know.
	I just know that What I saw was as real as a heart attack, and I have no way to come up with the words to transmit how real it was to the people out there, except to bring people like you on, who do a very good job of explaining what you just did.
	They're here.
	I mean, they are here.
	Whether they're ours or theirs, I have no idea if they're ours.
	If they're not ours, like you said, we sure need some of them.
	Makes you proud to be an American.
	If it is ours, why are they sending the space shuttle up in a big ball of flame?
	And if they're not American, we need defense.
	You know, after you see something like that, it kind of makes the space shuttle seem like a Model T. I don't look at it the same way anymore.
	Yes, you're right.
	Well, there are a lot of people who think it is a Model T. Alright, well listen, you two.
	Thanks a million for coming on the air.
	It takes guts to do that, and the only way we're ever going to get to the bottom of this is if people like you do what you've just done.
	Well, thanks for having us.
	Chris, Mark, good night.
	Great story, gentlemen.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	And Peter, that's the only way.
	We have to have people like this come on the air, and if we keep doing it, maybe we will get to the bottom of it.
	The really important question, now what?
	I mean, what do you do?
	What do you do to confirm this or anything else?
	I have no idea.
	Clearly that object should not have been there by any classical standard on this planet.
	I bring these gentlemen on as often as I can to programs because they tell their story very well.
	In my opinion, there's no mistaking the fact that these gentlemen are deadly serious.
	They saw something that should not have been there And they have sufficient experience on this planet to be able to describe it in detail and rule out some obvious possibilities.
	Aircraft, meteorological condition, as Chris said, I believe it's Chris who is the pilot, 20 years experience as a pilot, he's able to rule out a lot of things in a hurry and he's not been able to ascribe this to any kind of conventional aircraft we have on this planet.
	Moreover, I think it's worth saying, That the Air Force, it appears to us, was clearly interested in this event, enough so to crank up two fighters and send them off across that mountain and across that camp.
	Why did they do it?
	Those fighters are very expensive to operate and maintain.
	You don't send two of them out on a lark, in my opinion, from my experience.
	And our Air Force was interested in this event, interested enough to send out those two aircraft.
	He was obviously a rational, is a rational professional, Peter.
	And so people can make of this what they will, but I mean, what he said stands on its own.
	And as well as the other witnesses we've had on this morning so far live, I know that we've got a number of really important clips to get to yet this morning, don't we?
	Oh, we have a lot of things to talk about.
	This is just the prelude to some of the things I want to talk about.
	And most of all, government and other cases that have come to us that are equally dramatic as what we've heard over the last hour, hour and a half, that I think will shock some of our listeners, because there have been many cases that have come in in the last nine months.
	We have a case, an audio clip I'm going to play, my conversation with a commercial pilot, who the 22nd of June last year, Had a black, egg-shaped object, very similar to what Denise and Tim described, pass within 50 vertical feet of the right wing of his aircraft.
	He had passengers, he was right over the Rhode Island shoreline, and we're going to talk about that case because in that instance, not only did we get the audio from the FAA of his radio communication with the FAA with Providence Approach Control, but we got the radar tapes on this one.
	Oh, you're kidding!
	And it is a fascinating case.
	That and many, many other cases that we'll be talking about during the upcoming hour or hour and a half, because it's been an exciting year and I'm delighted to have an opportunity to bring these cases to our listeners tonight.
	Peter, in the time that I've been off the air, And that you've been continuing with your work.
	Has the government's attitude or the FAA's attitude, and the FAA is pretty good actually, but has the government's attitude changed at all?
	Not a bit.
	From what I can tell, it raises the question, of course, it invites the question, what is the government?
	It's hard for me to get my arms around it.
	First of all, it's so big.
	It is so multifaceted a body now that you almost don't know to whom to turn.
	To complain about things, or to address questions, or to invite response.
	All you get is these damned automatic telephone systems.
	Press 1, press 2, press 3.
	And I don't know where to go with this.
	But during the upcoming hour, I'm going to make my position clear with regard to this government.
	It is clearly time for them to step forward and start telling us the truth about what's going on.
	But I've almost bent my pick All right, Peter.
	Stay right there.
	There's a lot yet ahead, so stay right where you are.
	have to come to me or other ufo investigators to get the story and start
	coming clean with this issue alright peter stay right there there's a lot yet
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	Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington is my guest.
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	All right, back up to Seattle and Peter Davenport.
	Peter, welcome back.
	Thank you, Art.
	It's always good to be here.
	Okay, I know we've got a lot to do, so let's do it.
	We sure do.
	You know, one of the things that our audiences, one disadvantage they have is they know these people only by their voices.
	Sure.
	We're going to have a little shindig here in Seattle come Memorial Day of this year.
	I think it's the May 25th to May 28th.
	The Seattle Art Bell Chat Club is having a conference up here I'm going to be in attendance.
	I'm going to be one of the two emcees together with Kathy Anderson.
	One of the things I'm going to try to do is get some of these witnesses that we've had on the program in the recent past, perhaps even a couple of the gentlemen from Oregon who were just on, try to twist their arm, convince them to appear before an audience so they can tell their story in person and give the audience some Flesh and blood, so they can see what these people are like and put faces to their voices.
	I'm going to try to do that and add a new dimension to some of these reports.
	These people are convincing in my opinion, and I'm sure they are in the opinions of our listeners.
	I'm going to see if we can convince them to make an appearance so they can tell their story in person.
	That would be pretty interesting.
	It's going to be Memorial Day weekend.
	I think that's the 25th or the 28th of May this year.
	They can get details on a website which, interestingly, is called the SeattleArtBellChatClub.com.
	That's one word, SeattleArtBellChatClub.com.
	Anybody who'd like to join us on the Memorial Day weekend up here in Seattle can get details at that website.
	That's what I'm going to try to do, and I think it would be pretty interesting.
	Well, that'll draw quite a crowd.
	I think so, too.
	I mentioned before the break, one of the things that we like to do, I like to do, is bring pilots to this program.
	You bet.
	Pilots are a special breed of people, as are law enforcement officers.
	There are a lot of people who have special responsibility, I feel, in our society.
	Let me just go to a short audio clip of my conversation with a commercial pilot.
	Just about a two-minute audio clip of what this pilot reported to us went right by his aircraft.
	Let me set it up a bit.
	He was flying passengers from Nantucket Island, southeast of Boston, up to Grenier Field in New Hampshire, very close to where I lived as a kid, East Derry, New Hampshire.
	And he had to divert out around Boston.
	There was heavy weather developing over eastern Massachusetts, so the FAA diverted him out to the west.
	He was flying about northwest, just crossing the shoreline of Rhode Island.
	He was about 12 miles southwest of Providence, Rhode Island.
	He looked out ahead of him to the west, where the sun had set already.
	Even from 8,000 feet, which was his elevation, he could not see the sun.
	It was already over the horizon.
	Looked up, and you'll recall that Denise talked about an egg and how black it looked.
	That's right.
	Well, that was in October of last year.
	This sighting by this pilot was June 22nd, Thursday night, 2130 hours, and let me just go to this audio clip.
	It's about 115 seconds long, and we will listen to this pilot describe what went by his airplane And what the response of Providence Approach Control was when they saw it on their radar screens.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	Rhode Island, June 22nd of last year.
	It was approximately 9.30 p.m., maybe a little earlier.
	The sun had already gone down, but the horizon to the west was still orange.
	And the aircraft I was in had taken off out of Nantucket, Massachusetts, and we were headed westbound, diverting around some weather.
	Uh-huh.
	I was looking forward out the windscreen and saw what appeared to be, at first I thought it was a bird, and I reached to disconnect the autopilot to avoid a collision with the bird, or just to maneuver away from it, when my eye discerned that there was going to be no collision, but the object moved at high speed, at what appeared to be probably 50 feet above us, and just over the right wing of the aircraft, and the object was only in sight for maybe 4 to 5 seconds, But it appeared to be black against the sky, no lights on it, and the best I can describe it without drawing is that it was an egg standing upright, and that's the way it moves through the air.
	And the top of the egg had three points on it, kind of like W-shaped, and the bottom of the object was the same way, a mirror image of the top of it.
	I immediately called Providence Approach, to whom I was being controlled by at the time, and asked them They say any primary targets on their radar screen.
	And the first, the initial information was no, that they had nothing on the screen.
	But just a few seconds later, maybe a minute later or so, the controller called back and said that there was a primary target in trail of our aircraft.
	I'm assuming at the same speed.
	And then he mentioned that it had then appeared that it had stopped and then started drifting slowly towards the east.
	The radar controller called the object as traffic to some departing airliner.
	I'm not sure of the origin of the aircraft, but called it as traffic and reported that another aircraft had seen the object but was unable to identify it.
	That's what happened.
	Wow.
	What kind of aircraft was that, do you know?
	It was a Swiss-made aircraft.
	It's called a Pilatus PC-12 Transporter.
	It's a single-engine turboprop It's used by feeder airlines for carrying passengers and freight.
	It's very similar to the Cessna... I'm trying to think of the name of a similar aircraft.
	I can't at this moment, but it is a wonderful aircraft.
	I've talked to this pilot probably on a dozen occasions, and his story is exactly the same.
	The interesting thing about this case is that we got The audio tapes from the FAA of the pilot talking to Providence Approach Control, everything that he just described in this audio clip is exactly correct.
	And moreover, it showed up on radar and apparently the object that went streaking by his aircraft right over his right hand wing succeeded in reversing its course in not more than 30 seconds and was then pacing the aircraft.
	All of this apparently is visible on radar.
	There's a catch-22 in the Freedom of Information Act laws, or at least in the FAA's interpretation or compliance with them, in that yes, you can get the radar tapes, but no, you cannot get the software that will allow you to plot these targets on a computer screen or a cathode ray screen.
	So we are working that problem.
	Oh, that's weird.
	When we get that problem solved, we're going to put this on our website so people can see with their own eyes what this object did relative to this aircraft.
	It is a fascinating story though, and we're getting a lot of reports not only now from commercial pilots, but every once in a while from military pilots.
	We got a report from an F-14 pilot who reported a similar experience over the Atlantic, just off, I think it was Virginia, about 200 miles off Virginia.
	He and his wingman had taken off from a carrier on a training flight, and as they were climbing out, they saw an object, a bogey, an unidentified object that not even the carrier could identify.
	And it jumped about 100 to 150 miles, I'm going on memory now, On their radar screens, both aircraft recorded the same movement of this object just in a matter of a second or less.
	Wow.
	So we're dealing with some sophisticated hardware.
	I can't for the life of me imagine that this is in the U.S.
	arsenal, because the point that Chris, or I think it was Chris, made, if we have this in our arsenal, Why in heaven's name are we still building conventional aircraft, F-14s, F-15s, F-22 fighters, and so on and so forth?
	It doesn't seem very likely to me.
	Well, there is one thing to consider, and that is that we have built aircraft that we haven't displayed before.
	You know, conventionally.
	And then, all of a sudden, the Gulf War comes up and we do use some aircraft we haven't used before.
	But, yeah, you're right.
	I mean, we're not talking about logical jumps in technology.
	We're talking about illogical jumps.
	Stuff way ahead.
	Stuff defying gravity.
	Stuff doing reverses.
	Stuff pulling Gs that humans couldn't handle.
	So far ahead technologically that It is hard to imagine, Peter.
	And as Denise described, during the second half hour, the object suddenly jumped almost faster than our eyes could follow it.
	That's pretty sophisticated technology.
	And the military, even if we have these, a point I've made time and time again on this program, I'm sure you have too, is even if we have the technology, are they going to be testing it over an intersection of Interstate 75 near Signet, Ohio.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so either.
	And one other aspect.
	If you make the jump and say, OK, it's not ours, then what are we doing about it?
	Is the next question.
	Yeah.
	You know, we've talked about that, too.
	And the point I make is that it appears to me these things have been here for a long time.
	Our government can do nothing about them, and I think a question that is not illogical to ask on a program like this is, why is our government not revealing the existence of these things to the American public?
	And the next logical question, and this is the one that worries me above all else, this worries me more than the apparent presence of these anomalous objects And that is, what kind of cooperation could there be between our government, whatever that government is, and these objects?
	That concerns me.
	If we lived in a totalitarian state, where the people do what the government leaders dictate, it's one thing.
	But we live in America, it's still spelled with a C, not a K, and these people work for us.
	The instant that relationship changes or begins to appear to have changed, it's time for us to get up off our overstuffed chairs and start reminding these people very politely that they still work for us, and whether the outcome of this is good, bad, or indifferent, It belongs to us.
	Okay, there is one other possibility, and that is that they know they're here.
	It has to be well documented.
	If it's not ours, then they know they're here.
	They've certainly seen it on radar.
	They have better radar than the FAA does.
	Sure.
	So they know they're there, but they can't do anything about it.
	And if they can't do anything about it, then why panic the American people by telling them there's something out there that we have no defense against?
	That argument is certainly consistent, it's logical, it fits, it's hard to argue against, except that the point I make, just made a few minutes ago, is no matter what the outcome or what the value of this information, it belongs to us.
	It does not belong, in my opinion, it does not belong to a small group of individuals in the government.
	I agree with that.
	And if we can believe what Webster Hubble wrote in his book, namely that Bill Clinton approached him and wanted Webster Hubble to go out and get the facts on two events, the assassination of John Kennedy and UFOs.
	If the President of the United States has to ask a friend to go, hat in hand, to government bureaucrats, that tells me that the government bureaucrats, if this story is true, are not allowing that information to bubble up to the White House.
	That, by itself, is inappropriate.
	Well, lots of presidents, as you well know, have made comments.
	If you have another clip before we hit the top of the hour, let's do it.
	Yeah.
	Let me go to Sydney, Australia.
	Do we have two minutes?
	Sure.
	Let me share with our audience tonight the first really serious, really intriguing report that we got in the year 2001.
	It comes from about 50 miles north of Sydney, Australia.
	A physicist down there saw a satellite stop and rendezvous with another one.
	Let me just go to it.
	Here we are.
	This is Brisbane on the 2nd of January, year 2001.
	Here we are.
	January 2nd at about 2120.
	Perfectly clear conditions.
	Full night sky.
	This is about 50 miles north of Sydney.
	I'm quite familiar with sky-watching and so on, and I saw what I first thought was simply a satellite.
	You know, you often see satellites moving overhead, or perhaps a space station.
	Sure.
	Well, I had a glance at it, and I realized it was heading from north to south, rather than a more conventional track.
	And I figured, you know, wow, I've seen sort of my first crawler satellite flying overhead, or whatever.
	Yes.
	Well, now, the object, it looked exactly like when you see a typical small satellite moving But it was traveling a little faster, I'd say about roughly one and a half times the typical speed of a lower satellite.
	Did you see?
	Yes.
	Well, now, I was watching it.
	There was nothing remarkable about that except that it was heading on a north-south track.
	But it stopped.
	It simply stopped, which was, you know, needless to say, probably the most interesting thing I've ever seen.
	Well, now, I looked at it and obviously alerted everyone and looked at it for some, about 30 seconds.
	And intriguingly, I then saw another identical object, or light source, in fact coming in the opposite direction from south to north, about, oh, two degrees away from it.
	Well now, as the second object sort of passed, if you will, the first one came up.
	It was in Orion, by the way.
	I was looking.
	It was right in the middle of Orion, from my position.
	The first one again started moving, and they both headed north.
	Similar speeds.
	And I kept track of them for, oh, maybe 15 seconds, and simply lost them.
	But I thought, my God, perhaps I should call the UFO Reporting Center.
	And that's a physicist?
	Yeah.
	This is a gentleman trained in physics.
	He's an experienced sky watcher.
	He's very logical, very methodical, very good memory of what he saw, and he can describe it in very precise terms.
	And that's what he saw.
	We're getting a lot of reports like this.
	We have for a long time.
	Generally, I have assumed that in most cases, particularly at night, people are watching a satellite and they avert their eyes from it for a few seconds.
	It flies into the Earth's shadow where they disappear from our sight and people mistake perhaps a star for the satellite.
	They think the satellite has stopped.
	But not in this case.
	This gentleman was very precise And you may recall, just about two years ago, we did a program, Dr. Roger Lear from Los Angeles and I and you, about the five very peculiar things that Roger and I and about 50 other people stood and watched for about seven minutes in Laughlin, Nevada.
	Oh, yes.
	These sightings are being reported to us all the time.
	In fact, after the break at the top of the hour, I'll play some other clips that are very similar, very reminiscent of this kind of sighting.
	We just had one reported from Salem, New Hampshire.
	All right, hold that thought right there, Peter.
	We'll be right back to you.
	There's something I want to get in here, and that is that you are the ones that make possible the reports that you're hearing right now, and you do it by donations.
	The National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle is a non-profit Washington organization.
	If you can make a donation of 10 or 20 bucks, To keep them going, it would be very welcome and very much used toward exactly what you're hearing tonight.
	So, make out a check for 10 or 20 bucks, if you would.
	Send it to the National UFO Reporting Center, PO Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington, 98145.
	And I'll give that to you again.
	It's the National UFO Reporting Center.
	That's what you would make the check out to.
	Post Office Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington 98145.
	It's your donations that keep all this going, folks.
	So for me, for Peter, please drop a check in the mail if you're able to.
	And one other thing.
	If you have a UFO sighting, A current UFO sighting.
	There is a hotline number.
	That's what it's all about, and I'll give it to you.
	But this is for current sightings.
	It's area code 206-722-3000.
	24 hours a day.
	Once again, the UFO hotline in Seattle is area code 206-722-3000.
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	serves as the president and founder of BioCybernaut Institute.
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	Bio-Cybernaut Institute, Inc.
	He holds a B.S.
	in physics from Carnegie Institute of Technology and an M.S.
	and Ph.D.
	in psychology.
	From Carnegie Mellon University has done postdoctoral training in psychophysiology at the University of California in San Francisco.
	Dr. Hart has earned a national reputation as a preeminent research scientist.
	For his over 30 years of work in biofeedback, he regularly presents at numerous prestigious national and international meetings and is published in leading scholarly journals such as Science, Psychophysiology, and the Journal of Experimental Psychology.
	In a moment, Dr. Hart.
	One has to admit the term or word biocybernaut is really fascinating and we're about to ask Dr. Hart what
	it is.
	If I were to be asked what a bio-cybernaut was, do you remember that movie in which a number of medical people were shrunk along with their submarine and then they were injected into the living human body that was ill and they went coursing around the veins and vital organs of this person?
	Fixing and dodging as they went.
	That seems to me it would be a bio-cybernaut.
	But we'll ask the man who really knows, Dr. Hart.
	Dr. Hart, welcome to the program.
	Thank you for the invitation.
	It's a pleasure to be here.
	Good.
	So let me ask you, a bio-cybernaut, that's all I can think of.
	What's a bio-cybernaut?
	Well, the easiest way to figure it is a bio-cybernaut is to interspace What an astronaut is to outer space.
	Hmm, still sounds like what I was talking about.
	Inner space being inner space of the mind.
	Okay.
	Nought is a Greek suffix.
	Yes.
	That indicates going on an adventure.
	Yes.
	Astronauts, cosmonauts, Jason and the Argonauts.
	And it's also kind of a play on words.
	Norbert Wiener made up the science of cybernetics.
	Science of automated control systems.
	Yes.
	And in this case we're using computers interfaced intimately with the brain activity so that people can in fact go on voyages of discovery inside their own mind.
	Let's backtrack a little bit to the computers interfacing with the human mind.
	I talked to a scientist not very long ago who was going to have himself connected to a computer.
	I'm still not altogether sure how that came out, but to be sure, the first experiments in connecting human beings and computers have begun, haven't they?
	Yes, they have.
	Do you know how much has been done?
	Well, you can connect many different aspects of the human being.
	We're working with the brain activity.
	Yes.
	It turns out, for example, if you were to put your hand over your head in the back and you could, without looking at it, bring together your thumb and each one of your fingers in turn, because you have feedback.
	Your brain knows where your body is, but the brain has almost no feedback about its own activity.
	It's kind of like a missing link, which we provide With our technology so that the brain can know what it's doing while it's doing it and thereby improve.
	Improve in what sense?
	Higher IQ?
	Yes.
	Oh.
	We produce on average about a 12 point boost in IQ.
	Oh my god.
	With this training.
	I'm glad I asked.
	First week.
	The first week?
	Really?
	And the creativity boost is about 50%.
	Now I'm reminded of Planet X. Do you ever see Planet X?
	No, no.
	Oh no, I'm sorry, not Planet X. It was Planet X, Forbidden Planet.
	Oh yes, Forbidden Planet.
	Do you remember the Knowledge of the Krell?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, this sounds a little like that.
	Well, and you're prescient because you're almost giving me goose bumps on this.
	That was a movie from 1956, I believe.
	It was the first big budget science fiction movie.
	It was a beaut.
	And what happened there was this advanced race had hooked up to all the members of their race the ability to project matter and energy.
	Yes.
	They had a million years of shining sanity and the night they did this monsters from their ids emerged and went around and basically wiped each other out because they harbored negative emotions.
	That means a monster from the inner self.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Freud came up with the terms, the id, the ego, and the superego.
	Yes.
	The id got them.
	The id got them.
	Their own id got them.
	In fact, your guest last night, Dr. Cook, who was talking about our being about 100 years away from becoming a Category 1 civilization.
	Type 1, yes.
	And we've got maybe a 50-50 chance of making it.
	I should warn you that in the past, he's given much poorer odds.
	I mean, like one in a million or something.
	Something awful.
	So that was somewhat... Encouraging.
	Well, this technology allows people to do the things to, in a sense, produce... This is a form of ethical cleansing.
	Because people do deep forgiveness work, and they let go of sadness, anger, So improvement that you might get from biofeedback, couldn't it be used negatively as well?
	I mean, to be honest here.
	Well, first of all, we're not talking about biofeedback per se.
	themselves and others. So, improvement that you might get from biofeedback, couldn't it
	be used negatively as well? I mean, to be honest here. Well, first of all, we're not
	talking about biofeedback per se. We're talking about a subcategory of it, which is brainwave
	feedback, or the professionals call it neurofeedback.
	Could it be used negatively?
	Yes.
	Any experience that you have as a living human being, you have only because you have a certain pattern of brainwaves.
	If you learn how to change that pattern, you will have different experiences.
	But the thing is, people prefer to move into happiness, joy, contentment.
	understanding rather than moving into anger and fear and things like that. So if you give them a choice, they're
	going to move toward the light.
	I was told that was a trick.
	Well, if you have a gun to someone's head, you can make them,
	you could perhaps compel them to learn brainwave patterns which would be
	unpleasant.
	If you've already got that kind of control over them, you don't need brainwave
	feedback.
	A week, Professor, is a very short time.
	A week is a very short time.
	What can you do in a week that would actually boost somebody's IQ by 10 points?
	I really am curious.
	Well, we give them about 90 to 95 hours of training in that week.
	The days are typically 12 to 14 hours a day.
	And some of the time is spent in soundproof chambers.
	Listening to a surround sound musical environment where the musical sounds are driven by brain activity at different places on the head.
	Sounds pleasant so far.
	Oh yes.
	At two minute intervals, the sounds stop and you open your eyes and see scores that light up on the screen that tell you how much energy your brain put out at different locations.
	Really?
	And they're coded by color.
	So if you set a new high for the day, that score will be green.
	It's measuring... Alright, now it's measuring your brain's energy?
	Energy, yes.
	Actually, it's the square root of energy.
	It's the amplitude, but... Yeah, it relates directly to energy.
	What are you actually measuring?
	The alpha waves.
	The alpha waves.
	Okay, so... They were the first brainwaves discovered.
	They were discovered by Hans Berger, an Austrian psychiatrist, in 1908.
	The reason he went looking for them... He'd been involved as a soldier in some war and he...
	Like, his horse fell on him, he almost died, and his sister back in Austria knew instantly all the details of what had happened to him.
	So when he got home, I think she had this all written down, all of a sudden he realized that there is something to ESP.
	He went looking for it.
	But using the primitive technology of the day, all he could discover were the biggest brainwaves, alpha.
	That's why he called them alpha, they were the first ones found.
	They're neither the fastest nor the slowest, but they're usually the biggest.
	And he kept it a secret for ten years, because he thought it was the basis of ESP and he studied it and researched it.
	No kidding.
	And they published it in 1918.
	Okay, AlphaWave.
	So, you give a person during this feedback so that they know when they're in an AlphaWave state.
	Is that what it is about?
	And so when you know you're in an AlphaWave state, you identify What you're feeling and doing to be there, and you then do it more frequently, and you're able to build the power or the amount of alpha waves?
	Exactly right.
	And those alpha waves correlate, depending on where on the head they increase, with reductions of psychopathology.
	In other words, anxiety, paranoia, depression, schizophrenia, all of these negative personality traits.
	Each one of them can be reduced by learning a pattern of alpha increases You know, with a different set of sights in the head.
	It's like a map.
	Doctor, wouldn't that suggest that there would then perhaps be treatment for some psychological disorders with this?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yes.
	In 78, I published a paper in Science, which demonstrated that you could take people at the extreme high end of anxiety, give them alpha feedback training, and they could end up below average in anxiety.
	My goodness.
	This was thought to be... And that was published in Science.
	In Science Magazine, yeah.
	7778.
	And this was what you just described.
	Was that the way you did it?
	So the technology has continuously improved.
	But then, is it the way you did it?
	Oh yeah.
	By teaching people to increase their alpha brainwaves.
	Now, to do this really quickly, we embed the feedback in another process.
	Which involves depth interviews.
	People interact with a computerized mood scale program which asks them to describe both before and after their feedback training how they feel in relationship to hundreds of adjectives.
	They're wired up while they're doing this and the computer can tell if they give an answer which they might think is true.
	Let me tell you a story.
	We had a CEO of a billion dollar corporation in the training.
	He was in the training with four people.

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