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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Kathleen Keating - End Times Prophecy

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	Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere In Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 12,
	From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, softly basking in the breezes of the trade winds, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the bowl, Worldwide on the Internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning, I'm Art Bell.
	Just in case you missed it last night, the announcement has been made, and upon my retirement, it'll be Mike Siegel coasting Coast to Coast AM.
	Coasting.
	Posting.
	I think he's going to do a great job, and he is immersed in research.
	On various topics that we constantly talk about here on the air.
	And it's going to be rare.
	As a matter of fact, you'll hear him this Friday night, Saturday morning.
	So I suggest you sit back and listen to a veteran broadcaster, many, many years, who will assume the reins of this show on the 27th of this month.
	And will be here between now and then, actually, as well.
	So, there you have it.
	That is the official announcement.
	Now, I'll tell you what I'd like to do in the first hour tonight.
	I would like to talk to anybody out there who has actually had an alien encounter.
	And I don't mean somebody who saw some lights in the sky.
	I'm talking about an actual alien encounter.
	I'm getting some pretty strange email to be sure.
	Really weird stuff.
	Actually, I'm getting... I'm getting... I have... I talked to Peter Davenport earlier and he said that he had a report of a triangle in Portugal that knocked a part of a cliff off.
	And I got this earlier today.
	Dear Art, this morning I saw at my parents the news directly from Chile On TV.
	The news showed an occurrence on the north portion of Chile, the Atacama Desert, that's A-T-A-C-A-M-A Desert.
	They showed videos of a triangle on the ground, about 20 to 40 meters on each side, and the ground appeared to be burned by some sort of energy.
	Also, the TV broadcasting camera got affected by the area in eliminating all color well I guess that could happen so if this is true and I have no way of knowing a large triangle is down in Chile may or may not be true but we sure are getting an awful lot of a triangle reports lately this one kind of interesting you imagine that down in the middle of the desert burned
	So, um, we'll discuss that and a few other items, but this hour what I'm looking for are those of you out there who have actually had an alien encounter, an abduction, a real encounter with an alien of any sort from a triangle or any other shaped craft.
	Should be interesting.
	So everybody else sort of hang up and just Mellow out.
	Kathleen Keating, by the way, in the next hour, she'll come along and scare the hell out of you.
	She's written a book called The Final Warning.
	And she was a gigantic hit the last time we had her on the coast.
	She was a close confidant of the late Father Malachi Martin.
	And, if anything, her stuff is every bit as scary as his.
	And the reason for that is pretty good.
	Because, frankly, it's the same stuff.
	So, my lines are open for anybody who's had an alien encounter.
	And I mean close up.
	Where you've actually seen an alien being.
	Not in your dreams, but for real.
	Anybody out there?
	we'll be right back to get to it well this ought to be a little whiplash
	This hour, we're going to talk to those of you who have had real encounters with alien beings.
	And next hour, we're going to talk about the final warning with Kathleen Keating.
	So you'll get some whiplash from this.
	Stick around.
	And remember the old attorney saying, whiplash equals quick cash.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Oh, I'm excited to be talking with you.
	Well, what's your first name?
	Diane.
	Diane.
	All right.
	And?
	And I'm in Fresno, California.
	Fresno.
	KMJ country.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Diane, you know what we're doing this hour.
	Yes, I did have a very brief encounter.
	I don't know if it was an alien.
	Or something from another dimension.
	But it was very strange.
	What was it?
	It was thirty years ago.
	My son was five years old at the time.
	And we both fought.
	And you were a young mother of?
	A young mother with two children.
	Of what age?
	My son was five.
	No, no, no.
	Your age.
	Oh, at the time?
	I was twenty-five.
	Twenty-five.
	All right.
	It was in the middle of the night.
	My two children were sleeping in the bedroom next to the bedroom where I was.
	There was a small hallway between us.
	I heard my son scream.
	I woke up, ran to the hall.
	He was running to the hall at the same time.
	And we both looked back into his bedroom and leaning over the foot of his bed there was this big black energy being.
	Oh man.
	Yeah.
	Now see, right away when it's one person you can imagine They had a bad dream and interpreted that as reality or something, but when you've got a son that's screaming, and then you go and you look and you scream, and you're both seeing this thing, you've got something else on your hands all together.
	A black energy being?
	Yes, it had the shape of like an outline of a body, but you couldn't see Well, we were both in the hallway.
	I was holding my son.
	skin or anything.
	It was black and it was energy.
	You could feel the energy coming from it.
	So after screaming for a while, was it running?
	Or what did you do?
	Well, we were both in the hallway.
	I was holding my son.
	We both, this happened in just seconds, I'd say, at the most 15 to 20 seconds.
	And we both looked back at his bed and this thing was actually too tall to stand up in
	the room.
	It was bent over so that it could be in the space.
	It was holding a black box.
	It moved very, very slow.
	It actually didn't move its body at all.
	It just turned its head, and it looked at us, and its eyes were bright red.
	Oh, man.
	You know what?
	I don't think you had an alien encounter.
	I don't know what that was.
	Well, black form, red glowing eyes, we're talking We're talking evil entity here.
	I did get the feeling of evil coming from it.
	You did?
	I did.
	I really did.
	And I put my arms around my son and his body was shaking and I don't know Why, or I don't know how... How old was your son?
	He was five.
	Five.
	Man, I bet he didn't sleep in that room for a long time.
	Actually, he went right back to bed.
	Did he really?
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't have... I sat in his room for quite a long time.
	My daughter was sleeping right in the next bed, and she was only two and a half.
	Did she stay in the room?
	I guess she did, huh?
	She didn't wake.
	She didn't wake up.
	It's just as well.
	Yeah, and it was so funny because I knew that whatever this thing was intended to harm my son.
	And I just wrapped my arms around him and with total certainty in my heart, I said, I can protect you.
	That's my job.
	And it was at that time that it turned its head and it looked at us.
	And then it just disappeared.
	And has not been back.
	Has never been back.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	And I meant to the creature more than the lady, but her too.
	Don't ever come back here.
	Never darken this room again.
	I can't say that I think that was an alien encounter.
	I think that was an evil encounter.
	An encounter with evil.
	That's the exact kind of thing, by the way, Kathleen Keating is going to come and talk about at the top of the hour.
	Either way, your life would never, ever be the same after that, would it?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Mark from Infineus, California.
	Yes, Mark.
	Listening to you on AM 600 KOGO.
	KOGO, yes, indeed.
	And this occurred Halloween night, so about 20 years ago or so.
	All right.
	It's something that I'll never forget.
	There was, I had heard about a party up in the Los Angeles area and so I got directions and I was by myself.
	I drove to this area, it was an old suburb of Los Angeles.
	It was a cold Halloween night and this particular area, there were very few street lights in this neighborhood.
	I'm driving around and I see this house and I hear the revelry and I realize, you know, that's where the party is.
	There is a party.
	Yeah.
	I find a place to park and I get out of my car and start walking towards this house and there were no kids trick-or-treating.
	It was just a dark neighborhood, cold night.
	I had that question all parked in the back of my head.
	Are you sure whatever you saw wasn't a kid in a costume?
	Well, at first, okay, I'm walking towards this house.
	You know what, actually, it's the perfect night for an alien when you think about it.
	Exactly.
	Anyway, I'm sorry, continue.
	Yeah.
	And this was even prior, I believe, to Spielberg's movie... Close Encounters?
	Close Encounters, when they had that little warm and fuzzy guy showing up on Halloween.
	I'm walking towards his house, and I see what appeared to be a guy.
	He had a big, bald head.
	He had it back to me.
	And it looked like someone in a costume and this was up in the Los Angeles area and I thought, you know, somebody got a costume from Hollywood Studio.
	A really good one.
	A really good one, exactly.
	And so I'm walking up to this guy real quietly, silently.
	It's kind of the way I walk and sort of in a way sneaking up on him, but I was going to walk up to him and say, you know, hey, high five, you know, it's a pretty radical costume.
	Yes.
	I'm about 15 feet from him.
	It's really dark, and he had his back to me, and he was watching this party, and he was sort of in these bushes.
	There was one light from the house over the garage that was kind of illuminating the bushes that he was in.
	I was about 15 feet from him.
	He had his back to me.
	As soon as I got to about 15 feet from him, all of a sudden, I was frozen.
	I could not move.
	I had no desire, no further curiosity to move forward.
	At that point he had a big bald head.
	He had a black cape with a high collar.
	He slowly turned around and stared at me and made direct eye contact.
	At that point I realized this guy wasn't in a costume.
	It was real.
	He, he, at that point, he smiled at me.
	Smiled at you?
	Smiled at me, and he had cone-shaped teeth.
	Cone-shaped?
	Conical-shaped teeth.
	Ha ha ha!
	I noticed he had very long fingers.
	Yes.
	And, um, what's really strange is, uh, it seems like I downloaded some information from him.
	It just seemed that what I... Actually, uh, he uploaded information to you.
	Exactly.
	And what I felt was...
	A couple things.
	One, he was from the future.
	Two, he was a cannibal.
	Cannibalistic.
	Oh, that's the piece of information I'd be most concerned about.
	Yeah.
	Because he would have been looking at you like, you know, a burger.
	Right, exactly.
	And my hunch was that he was here for quote-unquote fresh meat.
	Oh, man!
	Yeah, and that he could actually, since he was a time traveler, this is just what I picked up intuitively, that he could come to Halloween every night.
	Essentially, he could keep coming back home.
	Anyway, what's really strange is that... Maybe he only had to feed once a year, and that was the day he chose, because it was easy walking around.
	Well, it was, you know, what's really odd about this The encounter was, I have absolutely no memory of walking away from this guy, of leaving.
	Well, maybe you didn't.
	Are you missing any body parts?
	No, no.
	None that you know of.
	But I mean, if they were to, have you had your appendix out?
	No.
	No, see?
	Maybe it's not there anymore.
	Maybe he just snacked.
	Well, I firmly believe that this was a real encounter.
	Hey, Anart, I'm going to miss you.
	Oh, thank you.
	Quite a bit, but you know what?
	I think that you'll be back.
	Well, I don't know about that, but I know that the format of the show will certainly continue.
	I appreciate the words, sir.
	Thank you.
	And I want everybody to know that I dearly, as you all know, I dearly, dearly love doing this program.
	It is the highlight of my life.
	Actually, doing the show is the best part of it.
	It's all the other stuff that comes along with it.
	That has been the problem.
	Not doing the show itself.
	Doing the show itself is nothing but a pleasure.
	And a lot of the other stuff, though, that comes with it is nothing but a heartache.
	Anyway, it is the love of my life, along with my wife.
	And I'm gonna miss it, of course.
	But all good things must end.
	Some time or another.
	This one will go on.
	Coast to Coast AM will continue as is.
	Depend upon it.
	Mike Siegel.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	tonight an encore presentation of coast to coast am from april twelfth
	of the
	the the
	Where are those happy days? They seem so hard to find.
	I try to reach for you but you have lost your mind.
	Whatever happened to our love?
	I wish I understood.
	It used to be so nice, it used to be so good So when you near me darling, can't you hear me? It's so lit
	The love you gave me, nothing else can save me, it's so lit When you're gone, how can I even try to go on?
	When you're gone, though I try, how can I carry on?
	You seem so far away, though you are standing near You make me feel alive, but sometimes I feel so lonely
	I really tried to make it out, I wish I understood But I'm so far away, what can I do?
	Tonight's program originally aired April 12th, 2000.
	So when you hear me, darling, can't you hear me?
	It's so easy.
	Ah, yes, I do love Appa.
	Good morning, everybody.
	It's great to be here.
	We're taking calls this hour from those who have had encounters, and of all the things I hear about, the thing I like least are shapeless black beings with glowing red eyes.
	That one has always, always freaked me out.
	Alright, this hour we are doing people who have had encounters.
	And who should show up on the line but a really big encounter type person?
	On my wildcard line, Jonathan Reed.
	Dr. Jonathan Reed.
	Wow.
	Hi there.
	How are you doing, sir?
	I'm doing fine.
	How are you is a better question.
	Pretty good.
	I'm out in the middle of Colorado in my Jeep.
	In a Jeep, huh?
	Yeah.
	Are you...
	On the run?
	Well, I'm still following the shadows.
	Following the shadows?
	Should I say the shadows are following me?
	I was going to ask.
	The shadows still follow you?
	Yes, sir.
	It continues.
	Well, yours is one of the most controversial cases of alien encounters, close encounters, I think, that we've ever had on the program, Doctor.
	Well, and it's going to get even worse because I just sent something off to you.
	I sent you a video analysis of the video that you have that proves that the alien in the scene where I brought it home was in fact alive and playing possum.
	You can actually see the whole facial muscles move and the eye blinking.
	Even though you thought it was dead, when you examined the video carefully, which you would not have examined the creature carefully at the time, you thought he was dead.
	I get it.
	So now all of a sudden, proof that it was in fact alive.
	Right.
	This was done by an independent source that we picked up through the International UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada that we were at in March 9th.
	Yes, I know you attended that.
	And that was a very interesting situation, to say the least.
	But out of that came tremendous support, both from the people.
	We had over 700 people in our lecture alone.
	But people have definitely gotten on the bandwagon and are trying to do their best to get this information out.
	Well, I mean, what comes next for you in life, Doctor?
	You don't have much of a Present life, because you're running, so... You and me both.
	That's true.
	I mean, what comes next for you?
	Where do you go from here?
	Well, actually, we have been sponsored by an independent, very, very tremendous gentleman to take this information to the next step, to the world.
	We are planning a world conference Where we are going to take my information with all of the supportive evidence that has been ascertained since I have given my information to other people.
	They have independently researched it to a conclusion of fact where it absolutely, without dispute, can be looked at and seen for what it is.
	That in fact, this event did happen.
	We're going to Japan.
	We're going to England.
	We're going to Australia, and all I can say is, God bless everyone.
	I know your book is out, and I want to thank you for the autographed copy.
	The book is doing unbelievably well.
	We're getting thousands of supportive emails.
	And the title of the book?
	Is Link, an Extra-Terrestrial Odyssey.
	Link, an Extra-Terrestrial Odyssey, alright.
	I didn't come on here to sell the book.
	That's alright.
	What I came on to say is that You know, my encounter did change my life, as I'm sure it does many, many people who walk through these doors.
	And you can never again go back, because once you've seen this, it changes you forever.
	Forever.
	Of course it does.
	And there are situations that are happening in this world that we're led to believe are not true.
	Well, I am out to say and out to prove that, in fact, This stuff does happen.
	It does go on.
	And as you well know, there are things that go bump in the night that aren't necessarily man-made.
	That's right.
	But, you know, it's a crazy world we live in.
	And I have learned to take it one day at a time, one step at a time.
	And with your help, Art, you have enlightened the world to open their eyes and see beyond the end of their nose.
	And just like Doctor, let me ask you a question.
	In that whole encounter situation with the alien and the whole business that happened with your dog and the freezer and the whole thing, as you look back on it, what is your biggest regret about the whole thing?
	What would you have different?
	Well, I think if I wouldn't have been so emotionally distraught and sick when this first happened, I would have directly taken it to a university emergency room, as far as body goes, so that I could have initially documented it with every source that I possibly could have.
	Well, of course, you were emotionally distressed.
	It really doesn't do service to you.
	You were hyperventilating, hyper terribly.
	I was one step away from death.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	If you're going to have a... One thing you know now, your heart must be good and strong.
	I think so.
	Otherwise, you'd be gone.
	Well, Doctor, I can't tell you what a pleasure it has been to have you on the air.
	Maybe we'll get a show in before we go.
	You never know.
	Well, we've got lots of new things going on and lots more to tell.
	I mean, we found out some things about the alien, about some of the communication that was left over within me.
	That was basically telepathy that was transferred to me, and now through some processes we've been able to try to decipher some of that.
	Does that power remain with you?
	Yes, it does.
	Unfortunately.
	Unfortunately.
	So more of a curse than a blessing, huh?
	Yes, that's how I feel.
	I feel like I'm screwed into some radio station non-stop.
	Wow.
	Well, you're right then.
	There's a lot more to tell.
	All right, let me see about scheduling a show.
	I have the contact number for Robert, and I know you're on the move in a Jeep in Colorado now, and who knows where then.
	But we'll be in touch.
	All right, sir.
	And one thing, God bless you.
	Thank you.
	Good night.
	Take care.
	Good night, Doctor.
	Dr. Jonathan Reed with probably the most controversial contact case in years and years and years.
	Still on the move.
	That's got to be a rough life.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Yes, I have a story to tell, and it kind of even goes in with the triangle thing, but my husband and I lived in a remote area in Utah, and we were coming back from town, and it was snowing pretty hard, and we had a big 4x4 truck, and we We're heading towards the Kaibab and it's real remote out there.
	We decided to go and get some snow, I mean some wood.
	It was about, I'd say, 1230 at night.
	We were low on firewood so we said let's go out to the Kaibab where there's an old lumber dump and get some wood.
	So we drove out there and it started to blizzard at that time.
	It was snowing real, real hard.
	So we get way back there and we pull up.
	First of all, let me tell you, my husband was the biggest skeptic in the world.
	He'd laugh at stories like this.
	He was, huh?
	Yes.
	We parked the truck and all of a sudden it just started snowing harder, so we decided to wait a few minutes.
	Then we saw what appeared to be snowmobiles coming towards us.
	My husband Rick said, what are these guys doing out here this late?
	I go, I don't know.
	I go, is that a truck?
	He said, no, it looks like snowmobiles.
	They were heading straight at us.
	Next thing, we were asleep.
	Next thing you were asleep?
	We were asleep.
	And you'd think we'd be alert after something like that, because seeing these snowmobiles, by this time it's one in the morning coming straight at us.
	Not only would you be awake, but your adrenaline would be pumping.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And we have a gray wolf, and he was in between us in the front seat.
	We fell asleep.
	Next thing I know, the wolf was growling.
	I had fallen asleep with my feet on the dashboard, and I was wearing cowboy boots.
	It felt like somebody was putting a cigarette out on the bottom of my foot.
	So you were both in the car?
	We were in the truck.
	Your feet were up on the dashboard, and your husband was just sitting there?
	Yeah, his feet were on the floor of the truck, but his head was back.
	Then the wolf started growling.
	And then, at the same time he started growling, it felt like somebody took a cigarette and put it on the bottom of my foot.
	When the wolf growled is when you woke up?
	Right.
	And I had thick boots on.
	And, uh, so then the door started vibrating on my side.
	Oh, no.
	The snow was coming down really hard.
	And, uh, I said, oh my God, the door's shaking.
	And, um, my husband Rick just said, I can hear it, you know, and, and then it stopped shaking.
	And we, it was snowing so hard we couldn't see out the window.
	So we waited a little while and then Rick said, come on, let's go see what that was.
	So we got out of the truck.
	So we started looking and the snow stopped falling and we could see these two feet that came from the door, but it had like a tail or something.
	Something was in between it dragging.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	So then just at that time we're outside of the truck and Yukon, our dog, was inside the truck still and these 12 spaceship
	came that just came out of nowhere they did i dropped out the sky and they were
	everywhere around that and i think that you may have been fed me and i think that
	they've got that let's get the hell out of here i mean we were so scared i'm
	only the right decision i was so scared i mean it was like
	the worst kidnapped a very young
	You know the part I don't... You're going to have to explain this to me.
	You've fallen asleep.
	Right.
	You've got a hot foot.
	Right.
	You wake up.
	Your wolf is growling.
	And you decide to get out of the car to see what it is?
	Well, the last thing we thought was something like that.
	We just didn't know what it was.
	And even when the door starts shaking.
	Yeah, I know, but I mean, it was something that awful happening to get out to see... Yeah, yeah.
	You know, short of having a 357 Magnum with me... Well, we did!
	Yeah, we had one!
	You had one, huh?
	Even with that, I don't know that I... So, you saw the footprints... That's when we... The same time when we started, I go, looks like a tail.
	And that's when we were, you know, just getting ready to get back in the truck, when these lights... And each one of these vehicles had a blue, yellow, and a violet type light around it.
	You know, like...
	It was hard to tell whether it was round at that point, but we did finally see it real close up.
	Or what it was, but they were, they almost looked like bats.
	And there was 12 of them, we counted them.
	And that's when we got in and we said, let's get out of here.
	So we took off and we were like almost out of control because we were so scared trying to get out of there.
	Yes.
	And we lost control of the truck and it like drove into an embankment and stalled, right?
	And these vehicles are just right alongside of us.
	Of course.
	By this time, I don't know, it's like 3.30 in the morning.
	So we both, we knew that we had to put it in four-wheel drive, and he goes, you get out, and I'm like, you get out.
	So then he goes, let's both get out, get one wheel, and jump back in.
	So we both get out, we jump back, you know, we get back in the truck.
	All the while these things are hovering above?
	They're right next to us, they're within 20 feet of us.
	Oh my!
	Then we both looked at each other, and we were completely calm, and we just said, let's go back.
	And it was like, from, you know, being I'm totally scared to death to just totally calm and wanting to go back.
	Well, I know, I'm sure, so you went back where you were?
	Where we were.
	And we watched these vehicles from about, well, from then until almost dusk.
	And they did, we watched them do all sorts of things.
	I mean, you know, maneuvering.
	Putting on a real air show.
	Exactly!
	They put on this air show and I was even You know, trying to communicate with them.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Well, maybe you did.
	I mean, obviously, it has got to have occurred to you that during the time you were, quote, asleep, unquote, that something happened to you.
	Well, yeah.
	And my husband kept saying, no, I wasn't asleep.
	I go, yes, you were asleep.
	And then we looked at the clock and the truck, and sure enough.
	Do you know how much time had passed?
	We get anywhere from like an hour to 45 minutes to an hour.
	45 minutes to an hour?
	Right.
	A lot of things can happen.
	And we weren't tired either.
	We were ready to get wood.
	I was even saying to them, wow, you guys are great.
	You're so good.
	Because they were doing this thing where they would just stop and they would tilt sideways all the way.
	Yes.
	And they were just like maneuvering and then they'd go backwards and forwards.
	So, we watched them, and then when it was starting to get light, they were still there.
	We could see them clearly.
	Can you describe them?
	When you saw them in the clear, how descriptive can you be of the vehicles?
	Very descriptive, because NASA ended up coming down to my ranch.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And then the newspaper got a hold of it, but I wouldn't do an interview.
	I don't want anybody to know.
	Thank you for coming here.
	I mean, what did they, is there a way to vocally describe what they looked like?
	Yeah, um, they were a sort of a, a flat kind of, flat sort of, you know, metal.
	And, uh, but it kind of... Flat, flat black, they call it.
	Not black, but a dark gray flat.
	All right.
	Color.
	And, uh, they were very thin on the outer edges, you know, real saucer shaped and, um, very, aerodynamic and they had that
	uh... like on each side of the card talking to you with i don't know if
	they were spinning you know sometimes what they would have like three i could be
	on each side three like one with yellow one with blue and one with violet
	and i can't feel sometimes i can look at the sky and see those
	like those colors what uh...
	what made you decide you were not going to do an interview uh... because it's a small town and my head will okay
	When everything was said and done and we left, my husband said, don't tell anybody what we saw.
	And I said, Rick, don't you ever forget what we saw.
	I said, because later on we're going to try to find an explanation for everything we saw and we're going to try to deny to ourselves that we saw that.
	But you know and I know what we saw.
	And we do.
	We've always kept that agreement.
	There's no doubt in my mind what we saw.
	It was too many hours we watched him.
	It wasn't long after that that we were at home and I was carrying some laundry into
	the middle of the room down the hallway and I went to step in the middle of the room and
	this electrical type energy, it wasn't dark though, was like almost sparking off the roof
	and I couldn't walk in the room.
	I ran out to the garage where my husband was fiddling with the truck and I said, Rick,
	come here, come here.
	So he comes in the house and I said, walk in that middle room.
	He said, what?
	I said, just walk in there.
	You sent him in there?
	Yeah, I told him, walk in there.
	Good wife.
	Because I wanted to see if he could walk in there because I couldn't.
	Whatever was in there wouldn't allow me.
	Hey, Rick, there's something evil in there.
	Go test the room.
	No, it wasn't evil.
	It wasn't evil.
	I mean, I didn't feel anything evil.
	It was just real energy and you couldn't walk.
	So you went to walk in the room and fell right down on his knees because it pushed him back out.
	Great.
	And then it just faded away.
	It was gone.
	And so we figured it might have been her friend from that night.
	We don't know.
	Well, then it's not over.
	I hope not.
	You hope not?
	I hope not.
	See, I'd always wanted to experience that.
	My husband thought I was crazy.
	Well, um...
	Listen, to some degree, I join them.
	You should be very careful what you wish for.
	I mean, you have no idea what was done to you for 45 minutes or an hour.
	It was done and I'm still okay.
	How old are you now?
	I'm 45.
	For now, you're okay?
	I know I'm going to be okay.
	I'm real confident of that.
	Any other after effects?
	The only thing that we noticed that was different was I had a gouge in the back of my calf.
	Oh, there you are.
	What?
	A gouge in the back of your calf?
	It looked like a little, like um... Scoop mark?
	Yeah, exactly.
	But it was like in the back of my, you know, calf.
	What can they do there?
	Have you ever had an MRI or anything like that?
	No.
	They might find something downright interesting embedded somewhere within you.
	Well, I hope it's something good.
	But you know, the really weird thing about this is, ever since that happened, I've been like, I'm fascinated with triangles and pyramids and things like that.
	Of course.
	To the point where, I mean, I just constantly draw them.
	Listen, dear, like in Close Encounters, all right, listen, I've got to go.
	Okay, thank you.
	You take care, and thank you very, very much for the story.
	Well, on this program, you do get what you wish for.
	Thank you for the interesting, no, fascinating, riveting hour.
	What would you have done in her shoes, so to speak?
	All right, coming up after the break is Kathleen Keating, who was a close confidant of Father Malachi Martin.
	Her book, The Final Warning, and more in the works, up next.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 12, 2000.
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	Tonight's program originally aired April 12, 2000.
	And I warn you that what you're about to hear really may scare the hell out of you.
	Kathleen Keating is a confidant, was of the late father Malachi Martin.
	She has a book called The Final Warning, and I guess you'll find out what that is here in a moment.
	You may have not caught her the first time around.
	She's got a lot of other works underway.
	An action thriller, Cat's Cradle.
	The final warning, actually, is your survival guide to the new millennium.
	I wonder if survival is a key word.
	Could be.
	Torn Sky, an end time thriller, which we've got to ask about.
	And she's at work on yet other projects.
	One book, a screenplay actually, called The Gates of Hell, as well as a sequel to Cat's Cradle.
	So, this is one busy lady, and what you're about to hear, certainly in part, is going to be pretty scary stuff.
	So, if The Exorcist scared you, and that movie scared me as no other ever has since, even the drooly Drooly Mouthed Monsters on Alien, which was pretty bad.
	The Exorcist did it to me as no other movie has ever done it to me, and I still don't know why, and I'm not even a Catholic.
	But it did a job on me, and I'm sure a lot of the rest of you.
	I've got to get a good copy of The Exorcist, too.
	I don't think I have a good copy of it.
	And I have almost every movie you can imagine, but that's one I think that I need to replace.
	Anyway, coming up in a moment is Kathleen Keating.
	prepare yourself more ways than one here from ainsworth nebraska out in the middle of the
	country is kathleen Kathleen, welcome back to the program.
	Well, thanks Art.
	How are you doing tonight?
	Oh, I'm doing great.
	Kathleen, although we've got a little hum on this phone.
	I hope it's on key.
	It's just sort of there.
	Do you hear it on your end?
	Just slightly.
	Kind of coming in and out.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	I wonder why I would have that.
	I had that actually last night on another line, too.
	Kathleen, the final warning.
	Just before we get to that book, and I really want to go over it again because it was so shocking for so many people.
	Um, in my last hour, I opened up the phone lines for people who had had alien encounters.
	Right.
	And I know you heard the one lady who had the encounter with the dark black being that was so big it could barely fit into her son's room with the red glowing eyes.
	I hate red glowing eyes.
	More than anything else I can think of.
	I get the shakes when I hear about that.
	You're not the only one.
	I take that very seriously.
	Now, I said to her at the time, I didn't think that was an alien encounter.
	I thought that was an encounter with some kind of evil.
	That's a demonic encounter for sure.
	That really sounds like it.
	I don't know if you see shapes out of the corner of your eyes every once in a while.
	You know, you get something moving or something, and you turn, and it isn't there.
	Oh, look, I absolutely do.
	I wrote the intro to Dreamland now years ago, and I said, things seen, you know, at the edge of your vision.
	And I said that for a reason, because I've seen things, we all have, I think, at the edge of our vision.
	You don't see it straight on, at least I hope you don't, because that would really be scary, but that's bad enough.
	Seeing them sort of just in peripheral vision.
	Just enough to frighten you.
	Now I have turned fast enough to catch them coming straight on and it's, believe me, it's worse when you see them from that perspective.
	It's just horrible.
	And what is it that you believe these things are?
	I mean, we all know There are angels, and not all angels are good from our perspective.
	No, they're not.
	Or are they actual messengers of Lucifer, or servants of Lucifer, or evil?
	What are they?
	Well, they're not good angels, and I would have to say that they're either bad angels or bad entities that work for the bad angels, the archangels.
	Whatever they are, they're scary.
	Yeah.
	And of course, you had an encounter with a being in your yard.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	But he appeared more human-like, so it wasn't quite that unnerving, except when you realized who the guy was.
	And I think that that's something that no one will ever get over, even though, you know, Art, I've had thousands of emails saying, you've got to tell me the name of this man.
	And no, I don't got to tell you the name of this man.
	I think people are so darn curious.
	That we get ourselves into trouble.
	And for those listeners that didn't hear the show, we're talking about the Antichrist.
	You do know his name?
	Yes, I do.
	That's a heavy responsibility.
	It is.
	First of all, are you sure this was the Antichrist?
	Yes, I have no doubt.
	How do you know that?
	Is it just a knowing?
	No, it's both.
	But let me just say that I was doing some research on this person when several hundred visionaries have mentioned this man.
	And so, like a fool and an investigative journalist wanting to know the whole story, I started to do a lot of research and I actually talked to some of his people.
	Which I think was a very big mistake, because it wasn't long after that phone conversation that you got contacted.
	That I was contacted.
	And that's something that I praise God that the state of my soul at that time was such that he couldn't come in the house.
	Briefly tell it again.
	Okay, well, it was early in the morning, and I had to get my dog out.
	And she's a very early type dog, so you have to get her out.
	And I walked her out to the backyard, opened the back door, and down the stairs she went.
	And immediately we both saw this man standing in the backyard.
	And out in this country, most people wear cowboy boots and a cowboy hat and jeans.
	And here's this guy in what looked like a $3,000 Armani suit, but not a tie or anything.
	He had like a turtleneck on.
	And his hair was tied back and he was swarthy looking, good looking, very Slick hair.
	You know, I won't say greasy, but it looked really slick.
	Did you ever see The Devil's Advocate?
	Yes.
	Like that?
	More handsome.
	More handsome?
	Handsome.
	Because he was a pretty persuasive character.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, this guy is completely charismatic and just, you know, Madison Avenue, wow, look at that guy.
	And so, There he was, and what did he say to you?
	He said, hi.
	And it was like, oh, I mean, my gosh.
	First of all, I was standing there in my pajamas, which weren't the best in the world anyway.
	You should have probably said, no, I'm not.
	Yeah, no, I'm not.
	I wish I were, because that would explain this.
	But it was like, I sort of mumbled hi, but I couldn't quite get it out, because I, first of all, startled the guy was there.
	My dog couldn't advance on him.
	And she's the type of dog that really is very aggressive when there are strangers around.
	She couldn't move.
	She couldn't bark.
	And this dog lives to bark.
	And she could not move.
	She could not move.
	And he started walking back and forth looking at me.
	And I got behind the door a little bit and somewhat looked at him, but I didn't want to meet his eyes because I've been warned about that.
	He's so charismatic, he'll pull you in.
	Sure, sure.
	And so I kept thinking, I don't see this, but I do see it.
	So what do I do now?
	And it was like, oh Lord, help me.
	Oh crap, what do I do now?
	And it was almost as if I couldn't shut the door, which was a terrible feeling.
	And he kept walking and looking at me and I started to close I was able to close the door just a little bit more, and I have my crucifix on my door, and I thank God for that.
	And he just walked away in the thin air.
	And my dog looked at me, and I looked at her, and she came back in.
	She didn't care if she had to go.
	She was coming back inside.
	And I locked the door, and that was the end of that.
	How did you interpret that encounter?
	There was a message there for you, obviously.
	There was.
	I started working on the Torn Sky Project during that time, and basically what that is is the screenplay to The Final Warning, and it involves the end times and the warning that God's going to give us, and the good and evil as they square off against one another in the end days.
	That ought to be some battle.
	Yeah, and there are going to be two major battles, but we can get into that later, but it's going to be huge.
	And of course this man plays a pertinent role in the rest of our time.
	I had talked to somebody, a visionary, who was helping me a lot with the research and I spoke with Father Martin about it.
	I mentioned who it was and I was told by the visionary that another woman in England had had the same occurrence, except he knocked on her door and spoke to her more at length.
	When you spoke to Father Martin about this, how did he react?
	He was skeptical at first.
	But when I told him the project that I was working on, which he was helping me, you know, what particular phase I was in, he listened very carefully.
	And you know, Art, that Malachi would think about something a long time and get back to you.
	Oh, I know.
	If he wasn't real sure about it.
	And so basically he read What I had written about the occurrence and had listened to me about this visionary who said that another woman had verified this person the same way.
	And it was basically, well, we know so we're not going to take it any further.
	You know, just thank God that was all that happened.
	Let me tell you a brief Father Malachi Martin story that I don't know if I've ever told.
	I don't think I have on the air.
	Maybe I did once mention it.
	There was a story I had, Kathleen, that I actually can't repeat now.
	It had to do with the Vatican, though, and something they were doing.
	And I called Father Martin about it, and I told him the story, and I sent him the text of the message that I had, and I really don't feel comfortable revealing that right now.
	But I'll tell you this.
	Father Martin said, Art, I'm going to think about this, and I'm going to call you in about 24 hours.
	And he did.
	He called me back and he said, Art, if you go on the air with this, you're going to get me killed.
	You're going to get yourself killed.
	And you're going to open up something that should not be open now.
	That's how serious it was.
	Very serious.
	And he took that very seriously, because I know the topic that you're discussing here.
	Do you?
	Oh, yeah.
	And there's no way that he was even going to have it go through a fax machine or anything else.
	Actually, that's exactly right.
	Uh-huh.
	That's exactly right.
	In fact, well, there's not a lot I can say about it except to say that it scared the heck out of me.
	Yeah.
	And you're right about the fax machine.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, you know, you deal with it long enough.
	You know that you don't send stuff like that.
	And that's true with anybody that's really handling this sort of information.
	You've got to be very, very cautious.
	And that would include emails to Father Malachi on anything specific.
	Does the other side have ways of monitoring?
	I mean, even our own government with Echelon monitors email and... Sure.
	The Internet's a big playground for the demonic forces.
	They use it quite extensively.
	I know as a fact that they have targeted television This year, in order to get into your homes.
	And if you've noticed, a lot of people have written me saying, boy, people are getting more irritable lately.
	Yes.
	They don't know what it is.
	Well, one of the visionaries with whom I've been working said that it's because the dark side is coming through to you through the television set.
	So in other words, it's using every available medium, including television, the internet, all the most popular mediums.
	That would make sense.
	Basically the electronics, whatever, music, definitely in the music.
	I know they've targeted children in the past, and we've seen what kids are doing to each other now.
	But, you know, you find yourself out of control with the people you love.
	And we found the same thing at this house.
	We found if we turn off the TV, we're a lot more easy to get along with.
	I think you're absolutely right.
	I watch almost no Regular television, a little bit of it, hardly anything.
	And beyond that, I do watch motion pictures.
	I love those.
	But you're probably right about TV.
	Do you think it is in the direct message, or it's more subtle, what's coming to us through television, for example?
	It's subtle.
	I wouldn't go as far as saying they're subliminals, but they could be.
	But I think what we're seeing, I mean, you're seeing things in primetime TV that no child should be seeing at all.
	It's completely sexually explicit.
	It's going too far.
	The morality of television has just really, really deteriorated to the point that it's kind of scary to even let your child in the room.
	Well, you know, they decided that violence was not good.
	No.
	And so they've let up on the violence, but they've replaced it with sexual content.
	Right.
	And very heavily so.
	I've been amazed at how far they've gone, actually.
	Well, they have it.
	If you have cable, I mean, shows that show nudity at 9 o'clock at night are sometimes replayed on cable in rerun at 2 or 3 in the afternoon when the kids are coming home from school.
	And that's a bad thing that's starting to get kids too interested too soon too early, you know, whatever.
	They're just being bombarded with the electronic media.
	So then, do you have children?
	A grown child, yes.
	How did you handle TV as your child was growing up?
	It was pretty much guarded as far as what she watched.
	She was a reader, which helped, but then again, books aren't what they should be either.
	I know that she got into her grandmother's collection of stories, and they were a little too adult for her.
	It was like, well, why are you reading in the middle of the night type of thing?
	But they'd hook her in, hook, line, and sink her, you know?
	Let me ask this.
	You had an encounter with the Antichrist.
	You know the name of the Antichrist.
	Why will you not give that name?
	There is no point in giving the man more notoriety or to rush his emergence on the world scene.
	That's coming soon enough.
	So in other words, from your point of view, giving the name would just Hurry the process, the inevitable process.
	Right.
	And I don't think anyone's really anxious for that.
	I know that people think that they can handle who he is, but I tend to disagree with that.
	I think that we, like I said earlier, we're just too curious, and we get ourselves into a lot of trouble.
	Speaking of getting in trouble, Father Malachi Martin got in a lot of trouble for saying a lot of the things he said about the Pope and Vatican.
	Yes.
	I mean a lot of trouble.
	Do you believe what he said is the truth?
	That there is evil within the walls of the Vatican itself?
	I believe it.
	I believe that Father Martin was totally honest when he was talking about it.
	Pope Paul VI mentioned the smoke of Satan had entered the Vatican.
	And that just sends chills down your back.
	But then again, Fatima had predicted that that was what was going to happen.
	And Father Martin wrote about it, trying to get the truth out, because that's so important in these final days.
	Fatima had predicted that?
	Yes.
	That if we did not change our ways, if we did not stop Communism, that Communism would ultimately take over, and that they would take over the Vatican in the form of Satan.
	Well, Communism, of course, is very much on the wane, we hope and think.
	No, it isn't.
	Well, I said hope and think.
	I would tend to agree with you, Kathleen.
	All right, hold on, stay right there.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest.
	A confidant of Father, the late, very much respected and loved Father Malachi Martin.
	And she has written any number of books.
	The final warning, your survival guide to the new millennium.
	By the way, There's going to be a real deal on that book tonight.
	And I mean a real deal, like half the price or something like that.
	Stand by.
	Get some paper.
	We'll let you know about it.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	The wind blows in the wind, The trees are crowned with leaves,
	The shadow of sound, the trees appear Beneath the lantern light
	People traveling over the night The sun's eye
	Be it sight, sound, smell or touch There's something inside that we need so much
	The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound, or the strength of an oak when it's deep in the ground.
	The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
	Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing?
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing?
	To have all these things in our memories?
	Or, can they use them to help us to fly?
	I'm gonna survive Ride, ride with your soul
	Take a place on this trip Ride, take a free ride
	Take a place on my seat It's my dream!
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	It is indeed.
	By the way, uh, that little thing I related to you about Father Malachi Martin, telling me that if I were to release what I had, it'd get me killed, get him killed, and a lot more would come down.
	I, uh, I wasn't satisfied with having him tell me that.
	I got my boss on the phone with him, and he told my boss the same thing, and my boss said, If it was up to me, I'd sit on it.
	I've been sitting on it ever since.
	So, there you are.
	Just so you know, my good friend Alan Corbeth was privy to that conversation as well.
	I will never, ever forget it.
	Alright, once again, here comes Kathleen Keating, author of The Final Warning, Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium, and The screenplay is titled, Torn Sky, and it might be an interesting way to try and sneak up on what's going to happen in the final days.
	It's an end time thriller, end time, Torn Sky.
	Kathleen, in this screenplay, Torn Sky, what happens?
	In other words, what unfolds?
	How's it going to happen?
	It starts with basically that everybody is feeling something coming.
	It looks at an individual's life and how his life runs into the biggest machinery and the biggest conspiracy that's ever been in place in the history of mankind.
	Well, we've already got a situation where almost everybody feels something big is virtually on the horizon now.
	Right.
	Well, that is God has our number and he's getting ready to dial.
	He really does.
	That's what Torn Sky is about and it talks about that as well as the final warning.
	Torn Sky is somewhat of the research that turned into the screenplay from Final Warning.
	It's something that we can feel.
	Your stomach gets upset.
	Time keeps going faster and faster.
	No one is satisfied with anything.
	Life just doesn't have quite the same focus that it used to.
	That's now.
	That's now.
	We are very close to seeing this come to fruition.
	When the number is dialed, what will begin to actually happen, Kathleen?
	It's going to start with more calamities, more Earth changes.
	As you know, the weather's going to get really, really rough.
	Going to.
	And bizarre.
	It's going to keep multiplying to the point that the whole Earth is going to be in a birth pang.
	I think that's the best way to describe it.
	Every night, Kathleen, I have weird weather stories, and I hold them here.
	Here's one.
	Worst dust storm in a decade hits Beijing.
	Fierce winds laden with desert dust buffeted Beijing on Thursday in what local reports said was the worst such storm in 10 years, delaying all flights, pushing grit through windows and doors, and sending people running for cover.
	They said the storm, one of several unusually heavy ones this spring, was caused by dust rolling in from the northwest, combined with severe winds in the Beijing region.
	Now, this is just typical of what I could read every day.
	High winds in strange places, storms that virtually come out of nowhere.
	It's been happening for a while now, Kathleen.
	Oh, it has.
	And it really has nothing to do with the planets aligning either.
	I mean, people are trying to pin that on that too.
	You know, and oh God, it's going to be the big earthquake when they all line up and here we go.
	But that's not what it's about.
	I think God is just allowing all of this to get our attention.
	He's going to get us to our knees one way or the other because we have to turn back to Him or all is going to be lost.
	And the best way to do it, I suppose, is to strip us of our possessions.
	Have floods take our homes out and have us really think, well, we're lucky we have our lives.
	We made it through.
	But some people you hear on TV say, it's the grace of God that I'm here.
	But not enough of us are saying that.
	And the last time you and I talked on the air about this, I said that we've been given some time.
	A little extra time.
	A little extra time.
	Because of trying to get this message out about the pending warning that's coming.
	God gave us some extra time.
	Why, though?
	I mean, to get the message out, in order to accomplish what?
	To let us know that we are accountable for everything we have ever done or thought in our lives.
	Or thought.
	Or thought.
	So... You know, like Jimmy Carter.
	Jimmy Carter was right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you are going to pay for that, and we're going to see ourselves the way God sees us in this warning that is coming up.
	Well, you know, if we're accountable for everything we've ever thought, there's not enough money in the IMF to pay my bill.
	Well, if you act upon those thoughts, Art, I think that would be more specific.
	Well... If you admire a pretty woman, but if you go as far as Jimmy Carter did, well then he admitted he committed lust in his heart.
	Lust in his heart.
	Well... You know, and I guess everybody has been in that particular situation.
	You know, growing up or whatever.
	Listen, I've lusted in my heart enough times so that, you know, if lust in your heart means, boy, I'd like to go to bed with that woman, boy, I'd like to be in bed with that woman, however you want to put it, then I've got a big bill.
	And I think a lot of us do.
	Sure, but let me ask you something.
	Did you want to take her to bed because of the way she was dressed?
	Or because of what she was doing.
	Because she's going to be accountable for causing you to sin.
	We don't think about that.
	We think about that, oh, everybody has their own problems.
	But what we do interacts with everything else that everybody else does.
	So, she's as accountable for causing these... If not more so.
	because she enticed you well i'm a big fan of beautiful women
	and uh...
	i guess not in every case do i really wish i could go to bed with this woman
	but i can appreciate the aesthetic beauty
	of a truly beautiful woman i I always have, and I think most men are that way.
	Well, I think so, too, but I think that you know that it can lead to other things that you start thinking or doing when you're concentrating on that beautiful woman, and I think that's where it gets into a problem.
	I mean, it's normal to think, wow, that's a good-looking guy or gal.
	I think that's normal.
	But what we're doing now, thoughts aside, our actions, are really causing us penalties that are beyond our comprehension.
	Actually, Kathleen, to be honest, there's been a change in me.
	Now, when I was in my 20s and early 30s, I think that the appreciation was Well, when hand in hand with a wish to be in bed with that woman as I've grown older, it's translated more into a deep appreciation for beauty than it has a call to action, so to speak.
	Right.
	It changes into admiration rather than lust.
	Yes, yes.
	That's exactly right.
	But I think that has more to do with hormonal changes than it does Some great spiritual change that has occurred.
	Or is it because you're getting closer to meeting the Creator?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I think that has something to do with it.
	I think our souls are intrinsically in tune to the Lord, and I think that when we start getting a little older, we start to realize, hmm, maybe lust isn't such a good thing.
	I have good memories of it though, Kathleen.
	Don't we all?
	Oh boy.
	When these earth changes intensify, and then the real thing begins, what will happen to us?
	Well, we've got the Pope that's going to leave Rome.
	That's another clue to the warning.
	We're going to have some wars cropping up just about everywhere.
	And there may be some bombs going off, perhaps even in our own country, before the warning happens.
	So there are a lot of different things that will be happening simultaneously.
	You mean literal bombs?
	Literal bombs could go off.
	I know one visionary estimated 10 million people would be wiped out at one moment.
	Now that gives you some thought about if it's a big city.
	It could be New York or Los Angeles.
	whatever but uh... father martin animated about that too
	and uh... he was very sure of it and uh... he knew that once these events
	started that we had no way to turn back it's too late
	well one can imagine the events you're talking about right now not as a result
	of the traditional fear of nuclear exchange with russia or even china
	but rather uh... nuclear weapons or biological weapons getting into
	the hands of terrorists who would unleash them in our larger cities.
	Right.
	I know that's a fear of most every government agency that deals with that kind of thing.
	They're terrified of it.
	Right.
	And they ought to be.
	Does that fit the description of what you're talking about?
	It does and that's only a small piece if you can imagine that.
	You know it goes beyond the contrails that we're seeing in the sky that don't dissipate.
	It goes beyond just perhaps Some sort of chemical agent being released in St.
	Louis or wherever.
	It's more than that.
	It's the whole world on the verge of madness.
	Because we're going to see practically most of humanity tip over into insanity.
	Without God, you don't stand a chance.
	You can't be grounded enough.
	And this warning that's coming is going to allow each of us to see How we look to God, and what we have done, and if we died right at that moment, would we go to heaven, purgatory, or hell?
	And that's eight days of unending problems.
	The warning itself is a small period of time, perhaps only a few minutes, but if you experience your sins the way God sees you, and you feel the intensity of heat that you would feel if you were in hell, That five minutes of time is going to seem like an eternity.
	Kathleen, angels, I really, truly myself, don't exactly understand what the nature of angels are.
	They're creatures separate from man.
	Right.
	They're in a hierarchy created by God first.
	They are the creatures that have More power, they're brighter, they're capable of doing a lot of things, but they are only in spirit.
	They were creations prior to mankind?
	Prior to man, yes.
	Prior to earth, prior to let there be light?
	Yes.
	And they had a whole bunch of angels, you know, in the spirit, not like we would think with wings and so forth.
	They do manifest themselves as having bodies, but for the most part they are pure spirit.
	And they are of higher intellect and capabilities than we have.
	Some were cast out.
	I mean, how did all that play out?
	That was a pride thing with Lucifer.
	He was the brightest of all the angels, but part of that was through that Jesus would be born of a woman, and that torqued him off.
	He couldn't see that, and he knew God told him he would have to bow to his son, Jesus, and he refused, and it caused a huge rift in heaven.
	And he was cast out.
	And he is angry.
	Very angry.
	Because he wants to go back to heaven as a conqueror.
	As a conqueror?
	As a conqueror.
	In other words, to, in essence, eliminate heaven.
	Well, no.
	He thinks he's God, in a sense.
	He feels that if he captures enough of the souls on earth, that God will allow him back into heaven.
	You know, if I go back in my career, a long, long, long way, And I go back to an interview I did with John Lear, son of Bill Lear, who invented the Learjet.
	We did a number of interviews on aliens, and toward the end of those interviews, John was talking about the human body being nothing but a vessel for a soul, and that there would be fights over That they were merely to be harvested.
	I mean, some of that comes back and rings so true to me now when I listen to you talk about the nature of souls and the fight for those souls that is going on and will go on in greater magnitude yet.
	It all comes ringing back.
	It does.
	And just because we can't see them yet doesn't mean that the fight isn't there between the good and the evil.
	We will see it all.
	We'll see them all in their ugliness and their horror And we will see the guardian angels that are good.
	And we will see that we are the prize in the middle.
	The Church of England, I read a story the other night.
	The Church of England, I thought it was strange, has upgraded hell.
	In other words, for a while it was thought of as not so much a real place, I guess.
	But they said, no, hell, we are now going to insist, is The fiery place that we all have thought about, the place of torture that we all have thought about, the worst thing you can possibly imagine, there is a real hell, and that is our new position, or our present position, whatever.
	Well, that's an advancement, isn't it, I guess?
	Well, I don't know.
	An advancement, I guess it is.
	What is your feeling about hell?
	Is it a real place like that?
	Is it a place of torture?
	It is.
	It is a place that is located, actually, in the center of the earth.
	This has been told to visionaries since Christ's time.
	Physically in the center of our earth?
	In the center of the earth.
	Now, Purgatory is very near Hell, and Limbo, which you've probably heard of, too, is located there.
	What is Limbo?
	Well, that's like the place where, before Jesus was born, we're taught that the souls died and went to Limbo.
	to be held until he was crucified on the cross and then he set the souls free.
	So it's like a holding area.
	It's neither bad nor terribly good.
	It's just a place to be.
	And purgatory, by comparison?
	Purgatory is lower towards hell.
	There are 13 levels of purgatory.
	The 13th level being the closest to hell, therefore giving a little more punishment, quite a lot more punishment than the first or second or third level of purgatory.
	And this is because we need to be purified.
	Because we sin, and even though Jesus died for our sins, our soul maintains like that nasty ring around the collar that you can't get out, and that's where you go for the last bleaching process.
	Once a soul has gone to hell, or even to lower levels purgatory, is there any escape from that?
	Absolutely.
	Now, you can't pray for yourself when you're there, but other people can pray for you.
	They can keep you in their thoughts.
	Like Father Martin, I always think of him.
	I'd like to think of him in heaven, but I'm sure he'd want everybody to pray for his soul just in case he's in purgatory.
	Sure.
	Refining those last few points of his soul.
	You can.
	You work your way up.
	I mean, if you start at 13 and you go up to 7 or whatever.
	And each level depends on the kinds of sins you committed.
	I mean, if you had a problem with women wearing too many rings or too many fancy things and they had no real attachment to that to the point that it bankrupted the husband or the father or whatever, they have to get over that because that's an imperfection that needs to be purified.
	But they know they're getting out someday, so that's joyful.
	Hell for life after death without parole?
	No, there is parole and mitigating circumstances.
	Which, thank God for that because I think it'd be pretty tough to live through it.
	But people do.
	They see their error and they're glad to be there because they know the end result is heaven.
	Do you remember the recent movie with Robin Williams going to hell to rescue his wife?
	Yes.
	What did you think of that?
	I thought a lot of it.
	I thought that if there was a way out of hell, only an act of love of that magnitude would open the door.
	That's true, but I don't think it's possible.
	I mean, it sounds wonderful, but it's not possible.
	Well, but in a spiritual sense, it is.
	In other words, you said, Prayers for those who may be there or close?
	Well, not in hell.
	I mean, the prayers that you pray for those people have to be applied to somebody else.
	Because once they're in hell, they're in hell.
	That's it.
	Oh.
	You are down there, you are trapped in whatever room with whatever device and whatever punishment that you get for eternity.
	Room?
	Device?
	Yes.
	Um, what do you mean room, device?
	Although they don't have their bodies with them, the souls take on a human body type form.
	It looks just like you or me, the soul.
	And that particular soul feels pain the way we do on earth.
	Just because you don't have your body doesn't mean it's not terribly hot or terribly cold or that you don't have to perform some lewd act for the devil for his enjoyment.
	Or terribly painful.
	Yes.
	We'll be right back.
	Stay right there.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest.
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	Don't know why, but these words have had meaning for me for a long time.
	Listen very, very carefully.
	We still have time, we might still get by.
	Every time I think about it, I want to cry.
	The bombs in the building, and the kids keep coming.
	We're waiting for the easing of time to be young.
	No time to be young.
	Maybe not a lot of time at all.
	Once again from Nebraska, here is Kathleen Keating.
	And Kathleen, I bet you get a lot like I'm going to read to you right now.
	It says, Can't your guest tell us more about the Antichrist without revealing his name?
	Is he currently in American politics?
	What nationality is he?
	Is he Jewish?
	What are his initials?
	Please, this is driving us all absolutely crazy.
	Uh, you get a lot of that?
	Yeah, quite a bit.
	First of all, his initials are A.C.
	A.C.?
	Or Antichrist.
	Oh, I thought it was my boss for a minute, Alan Korman.
	Oh no, Alan doesn't even look like the guy I know.
	Alright, so nothing else, I understand.
	Well, I'll tell you what, and the best way to satisfy this, I gave a very, very strong hint.
	As to who he is in the book, and it's not a come-on-to-get-to-buy-the-book.
	I just think that you would prefer I didn't say it.
	Actually, I would.
	That's right.
	We've got to be reasonable here.
	We don't want to rush this guy into the forefront.
	No, no, no.
	No, it'll happen soon enough.
	It will, and it's there.
	You can find out the information, but I caution anybody about trying to dig up stuff on this man.
	Yeah, and a lot more than that.
	You know, it's one thing to die, it's another thing to live with the guy for eternity.
	Now, the next facts that came along might be an interesting one to read to Kathleen.
	It simply says, Art, please, why should we believe this woman, you Kathleen, knows anything about the third secret of Fatima?
	If she knows, why will she not tell us?
	Well, Father Martin took an oath not to say it, and as far as I know, he was not going to go public with it.
	I mean, that's something that we wanted.
	I don't think that I would be too smart of a person if I went against what Father Martin thought was the way to live.
	Well, I sure have no argument with that, and if I were in your place, I wouldn't tell it, so you're sitting on it.
	Well, and Art, can I bring up something about the delusions that people have been having and so forth?
	If they are delusions, yes.
	What we see in our disposable society are these people ending up on the street subsisting because they're having these visions or these delusions.
	And I think perhaps we're going to come to the conclusion very soon that maybe these poor people that are suffering, are they actually seeing what's there that we are going to see when the veil is lifted soon?
	I mean, that's food for thought.
	Are they really delusional or do they have the ability to see beyond what we cannot see?
	I don't know, and I can't judge.
	One more.
	Please ask, Kathleen, about the Church's belief that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
	Exactly how did the dinosaurs fit into that?
	Also, when did the demons start using spacecraft?
	Is this a 20th century phenomenon?
	Or did they develop flight long before us mere humans?
	Oh, sure.
	I think that you can see that evidenced in the Bible.
	With references, and I think that you've even seen paintings, I know I have, of religious paintings that show craft in the sky.
	I think they've been with us from the beginning.
	That's a fact.
	That is.
	And history, as far as the 6,000 years goes, that's the civilization of man with souls.
	That's like Earth history.
	But the dinosaurs were here, the Earth was formed hundreds of thousands of years ago.
	Father Martin was absolutely certain that three days of darkness were coming soon.
	Yes.
	If the three days of darkness should come soon, Kathleen, for those who are listening right now, what would you advise them to do when it begins?
	Well, first off, I think we have to get through the warning alive before we worry about the three days of darkness.
	I mentioned earlier that we were going to have two major conflicts with God the Father and Lucifer.
	The first one is the warning.
	We're going to lose a quarter of the population of the Earth.
	A quarter of the population?
	Yeah.
	If we all make it out of there, then we can worry about getting to the three days of darkness.
	But I think we have to be prepared for that first part of what Malachi would call the triple correction.
	Now, what do we do to prepare for the three days or the warning?
	That's right.
	Get scapulars and wear them.
	Scapulars are something that heaven has given us for protection.
	You have to be spiritually prepared for what is coming.
	There have been stories about people that have worn scapulars that the promise of heaven
	is that you will not go to hell if you wear that scapular.
	And that is a very comforting thought, especially with what is coming.
	Is this a time in which you would remain inside?
	Both times are.
	The warning and the three days of darkness.
	The warning, you stay inside for eight days.
	And the three days, of course, obviously would be the three days of darkness.
	All right.
	Now I got this, and I want you to deal with this question.
	Okay.
	By facts.
	Hi Art.
	I came across this incredible footnote by Dr. John Mack.
	Do you know who he is?
	I've heard the name.
	Professor Mack from Harvard?
	Yes.
	Who's done a lot of work on Yes.
	Isn't he a friend of Bud Hopkins?
	Indeed so, yes.
	It's in the second chapter of his book, Passport to the Cosmos.
	Kathleen Keating, it says, is right.
	The end is near.
	It is the final warning.
	The only difference is what is ending.
	In fact, it could be her own church is ending, and possibly all organized religion in the face of aliens.
	She is sensing something, just the wrong thing.
	Now listen to this.
	Healer and clairvoyant, Rosalyn Burrier, I think that's right, remarked to Karen Waslowski, quote, There has never been a group of people in religious ecstasy who did not think the world was coming to an end.
	Their world is coming to an end.
	Not the world, their world.
	The world as they knew it will fall apart because the old world isn't going to be here anymore and everything you thought to be true is going to turn out not to be true.
	That's the quote.
	Very interesting.
	I will have to agree.
	I think that the Catholic Church is coming to an end as we know it, and I think that the people that follow the Catholic Church may end up in death camps very soon, and many Christians along with them.
	But I disagree.
	I think we are going to have a one-world religion, and I think it's going to be more pantheistic, and it's going to be brought to us by the anti-Pope and the anti-Christ.
	But I agree with some of that statement.
	And the persecution of Christians will be horrible.
	Camps are waiting for you now.
	Yes, it will be horrible if you live that long.
	I mean, I hope that a lot of people will be able to live in the rapture, but yes, we will see torture and we will see death.
	So for some then, the world as they know it may not end.
	Well, I'd go out on a limb and say with due certainty that the world, as anybody knows it, will not be the same.
	Even for the people that will be embracing the aliens.
	Nothing you know of will be the same after the warning.
	And that is a very scary notion.
	Because we are grounded in our everyday lives.
	We come home, we flick on the TV, we eat dinner.
	You know, you do laundry, you live.
	From one moment to the next, you make love.
	That's right.
	But it's not going to be that way after the warning.
	Kathleen, if I were to tell you that in recent days I've had a lot of email and faxes from people who've been saying they see a red sky, what would you say?
	I'd say this is the sign of the times.
	I think that that's just another clue that we are approaching an interesting situation.
	A lot of people saw beautiful sunsets or red skies I haven't mentioned this to anybody on the air, but I've been getting from separate sources a lot of people who have been seeing a reddened sky, a red sky behind clouds, or just plain red sky.
	Now, we are having aurora from time to time, and maybe that accounts for some of it.
	I have no idea.
	I thought I would drop that on you, just because I've been getting the faxes.
	Well, I've heard a lot of that, too, and Father Martin talked about that, about the supposed Aurora Borealis in 1938 that was visible, and people actually thought in Europe that the mountainside was on fire in Switzerland, and they sent out crews, and they thought Windsor Castle was burning because of this red glow in the sky.
	But that was foretold in Fatima, that that would happen as a sign of another great war.
	How much do you know about the third secret?
	As much as I want to know.
	Which doesn't really answer your question.
	I know enough to know that whatever your worst nightmare is, you can multiply it exponentially and you might have the third secret of Fatima.
	Why have the Popes who have known this secret been unwilling to reveal it?
	That's been the great debate.
	John XXIII, Pope John XXIII, was supposed to have revealed it by 1960.
	And Father Martin mentioned in his book, The Keys of This Blood, that perhaps the reason that he didn't was that it would have given Russia a strategic advantage towards the end of the world as we know it.
	They have a goal, and their goal is world domination.
	But it's going to start with the Vatican.
	And he was very clear, Father Martin, that this was part of the reason.
	I think a lot of the other reason was the fact that Satan was going to enter the Vatican.
	And if they had told Catholics, perhaps in 1955, 1960, they thought people would lose their faith and just give up.
	So that was part of the reason.
	How do you view the reports that the Pope may consecrate Russia this year?
	That's a very interesting statement because there is a professor, he was in Australia recently, who mentioned that, who studied the apparitions at Garibondal, and he mentioned that.
	That is something that the Blessed Mother had asked for at Fatima, and that will usher in a period of peace for a time.
	And this professor also believes that the Pope will be cured shortly thereafter.
	The Pope will be, did you say cured?
	Cured.
	Professor Jacques Serret, S-E-R-R-E, has studied for probably about 32 years on this subject, and he feels very, very firm that the Pope is going to consecrate Russia.
	He will do it the way he should have done it earlier with all the bishops in the world, so that this will be the quote-unquote official consecration of Russia.
	And the Blessed Mother had promised the world that there would be a period of peace after that.
	So, with his cure, you see that we might have maybe a little more time.
	Yes.
	For a while.
	Yes.
	Interesting.
	Could that yet be extended again?
	Or is there an inevitability to what's to come?
	That depends on us.
	I told you privately, and I can tell your listeners, that heaven Was really taken aback by your show that we did because people who had been receiving these messages, had heard them for 30 years, suddenly took notice and started to believe.
	They started to really take this thing seriously because of your credibility.
	And heaven was just blown away.
	I mean, in one sense, you know, it would hurt heaven because they've been trying to tell everybody for years what's coming.
	But you in one night with your credibility have helped so many people turn around.
	But the sad thing is people aren't being spiritual enough.
	They're not turning back to God quickly enough and staying there.
	And that's the problem.
	And I think that depends.
	Our mitigation of how fast this thing is going to come down the pike is whether we get back to God and we continually pray to God.
	Boy, that's almost too heavy for me to imagine that heaven would notice anything I would do.
	Oh, I wouldn't say so, Art.
	I think you've played a very pivotal role, certainly with Father Martin, in getting these things out to people and letting people know that there is the dark side, that it will reach and touch into your lives any chance it gets.
	You're working, speaking of the dark side, One of your latest works is a screenplay called The Gates of Hell.
	Right, and that's about the satanic influence in the Catholic Church and the ultimate takeover.
	Boy, again and again and again.
	Satanic influence in the Catholic Church.
	I'm not saying the Pope is bad.
	I want to make that very clear.
	Pope John Paul is a very holy man.
	But there are people around him that are manipulating him.
	He has a terrible time getting his encyclicals out, written the way he's written them, without being changed.
	They have their own agenda, and they're using it, and they're ready to pounce.
	I am amazed the man is still alive.
	Yes, but that is due to his, what did Father Martin call it, his strong Polish will.
	It must be pure willpower keeping him alive.
	Pure will and the grace of God.
	What comes after this Pope, and what should we look for?
	Most visionaries.
	I believe that the next Pope will be the Anti-Pope, and he will usher in severe changes in Catholic dogma and introduce the world to the Antichrist.
	Well, much as he is holding on, holy smokes, Kathleen, he can't hold on forever.
	No.
	And that can't be very far away.
	No, I think mathematically we know it isn't.
	Sister Lucy, who was at Fatima, one of the children, was told that she would live to see it.
	She's in her 90s.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	The writings on the wall or in the sky or wherever it is now, we can see it.
	So, the death of this Pope and the next Pope, with what you said, people are going to have terrible trepidation at that process.
	Well, they are.
	I mean, some people think that maybe it would be a good Pope that would follow John Paul, but we have to look at the fact That he may be declared dead and not legally dead.
	So that this agenda can be carried forth.
	Now that does sound like evil.
	You're saying that he would go into some sort of coma or some truly infirm more than now.
	Actually, no.
	I think it would be contrived.
	I think he will leave Rome in exile.
	And in order to cover their tracks, they're going to say that the Pope is dead.
	Nobody would be surprised, would they?
	No.
	Not the way he looks right now?
	No.
	No, he looks so frail.
	Right.
	And if they faint an accident of a plane going down or something, and declare him dead or whatever, or if he's missing, then they can say, well, we can have the Conclave of Cardinals and the election of the new Pope.
	So then, you're really suggesting that there is evil all about him, all around him?
	Yes.
	Waiting, plotting, planning?
	Yes.
	And is he aware of this?
	Yes, and that's very tough, because can you imagine having a mind like that with a body that won't cooperate?
	Not with that knowledge.
	I cannot imagine that.
	Pretty heavy cross of his own to carry.
	Yeah, and for us all, when we realize what What it means, should that occur, and it could be any day.
	It could, although you will see some precursors, and I think you're seeing some of that right now with the Elian Gonzalez problem in Cuba.
	I think that we're ultimately going to see relaxing of relations with Cuba because of this.
	I think we're all going to try to get along a little better, and that's something that visionaries have said.
	When you see Cuba and the United States in good diplomatic relations, and the doors are open, The signs are all around us now.
	They are.
	were on the verge.
	That is another precursor.
	So the signs are all around us now.
	They are.
	Things are moving a little bit faster every day, but I think there is still time for people
	to realize where they want to be and on whose side they want to be.
	What kind of preparation should people do?
	Should they prepare physically or spiritually or both?
	I would say that if you can do all the physical planning in the world, you can have all the
	food and all the water in the world, that it won't do you a lick of good unless you
	are spiritually prepared for this.
	How do you do that?
	How do you get spiritually prepared for it?
	Go to church.
	Pray, pray and pray.
	It's going to take that, because there's going to come a time during the morning and then after the morning that people are going to have a terrible time praying.
	When you were a kid and you were learning radio and stuff and the Morse Code, you practiced it, right?
	Endlessly.
	Endlessly.
	But then it got to the point that it was so ingrained with you that you could do it in your sleep or upside down or whatever.
	Right.
	We have to be that way about prayer.
	I pray so much that it becomes just part of our lives.
	Kathleen, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We are going to go to the phones shortly.
	A couple of more questions for Kathleen.
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	Well, to tell you how serious a lot of people are about this, somebody just sent me a message following a fax they sent that says, Art, the fax I just sent, keep it extremely confidential.
	Please erase or block out my name and my friend's name right now.
	Okay?
	I made a mistake in sending along the names with the facts.
	You're too hot for my name to be floating around there.
	Especially about what's his name.
	Okay?
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	Signed.
	well he wants me to leave that part out
	uh... kathleen keating's book is of the final warning and...
	And now, Kathleen, I'm going to read you a fax and I'm going to read it to you in its raw form.
	Okay.
	And we'll see how you do with it, alright?
	Alright.
	Art, with all due respect to Kathleen and her obvious sincere faith, I'd like to know what kind of allegedly all-knowing and all-loving God could visit such horror and suffering upon his children.
	It seems to me that using the analogy of a parent-child model, Such a parent would be charged with neglect, if not outright abuse.
	I've heard the arguments, all of them, involving free will, original sin, but a truly all-loving God that is also all-knowing would surely not rig the game so as to set most of us up to fail.
	Anyway, it would appear that God has a very insecure ego if He's that pissed off over the specifics of how we see Him.
	That's it.
	Okay, we crucified his only son.
	What would you do as a parent when we continue to do horrible and abominable things?
	He loves us so much, but you know, a parent doesn't let a child touch a hot stove without saying, don't touch that, it's hot.
	That's right.
	No, that's right.
	I didn't expect that answer.
	That was a good answer.
	Would you please ask Kathleen, says another, to elucidate upon the identities of some of the visionaries that she's quoting from in such great detail?
	Sure.
	I can start with La Salette, the two children there.
	Fatima.
	I cite these in my book.
	St.
	Nilus, St.
	John Bosco.
	Innumerable visionaries, and there are over 500 of them, and it's too small of a program to name them.
	But a lot of them?
	A lot of them.
	Maria Esperanza, a lot of them.
	How long have you been working on all of this?
	Over seven years.
	Why did you begin?
	That's a good question.
	I fell into it.
	I was on the political side of the investigation, more into the UFO phenomenon.
	And so forth, and I ran headlong into prophecy, and I found that they were so linked that you couldn't tell them apart.
	And it was so unbelievable, I had to dig deeper, and then once I started digging, I couldn't let go of the story.
	I fully understand.
	All right, let's take a few phone calls and see what we get.
	Okay.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, this is John.
	I'm listening to you on 610 CKTV in St.
	Catharines.
	St.
	Catharines?
	Yes.
	Alright.
	I just have more of a comment, but I just wonder what really Kathleen is, what her point of all this, like, saying all this is.
	It seems like guests like this, all they do is, they're pushing their books and nothing else.
	Is she really doing any good by scaring the hell out of everybody like this?
	I don't know if I'm doing any good by doing this.
	I feel I have a responsibility to get this information out.
	I don't want that on my soul or my conscience that I didn't tell the world what was going on and to give them a chance.
	I've seen people, they've written me, coming back to the God and going to church and rediscovering what life is all about.
	So I don't know if that's good or bad, I do know that God wants everybody to know that this is going to happen.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call and take care.
	That person is not prepared to receive this information, doesn't want to hear it.
	No, and I think you have to be somewhat open to it.
	If it doesn't touch you now, I know it's going to touch you soon.
	And it won't be because of the book or anything else.
	It will be because we see God face to face.
	Kind of like, you can pay me now or you can pay me later.
	Right, or Padre Pio said, you know, if you don't believe in hell now, wait until you get there.
	I talk a lot about ufology on this program.
	I'm getting increasing numbers of reports of just absolutely impossible things.
	Large triangles touching down, actually landing in Chile recently.
	Another one knocking off a portion of a cliff in Portugal.
	Some of the most recent wild ones I'm hearing about now.
	If these are not aliens, or are they aliens?
	If they're not aliens, then what do you think they are?
	Well, they are alien to us as far as how they appear.
	They are not aliens as far as what they are or where they come from.
	They come from hell, and they use these transports, or these ships, because not all of the demons can fly.
	I know that sounds very trite, but it's true.
	They live in the center of the earth.
	They use these ships, one, for transport of the demons to the earth, and two, to perpetrate the biggest hoax that they can about going against the creation theory.
	If we could actually dig deep enough to go to the center of the earth, like Pat Boone in the movie, would we really get to hell?
	I mean, there really is that place?
	Your white bucks would get dirty down there, Art.
	Might be a place, might be a hole we might not want to dig.
	No, and I think it'd be a, why rush it, you know?
	And that would do it?
	That would open the door, so to speak?
	It could.
	I don't think anybody's going to get there.
	I think that they have security up there.
	It'd be a marvelous try, wouldn't it?
	Maybe Richard ought to get a ship and go down instead of out into space.
	That's been suggested to him anyway.
	Well, I don't mean that.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	First, before I give Kathleen my question, I'd like to thank you, Art, for helping me make it through a lot of midnight shifts in a steel mill.
	You're very welcome.
	The first hour that I listened to you back here in Ohio is a replay of the night before.
	Oh, yes.
	In a wrap-up of that, you were talking about God visiting the sins onto the children for three generations.
	That's right.
	And I'm holding in my hand a book entitled Adult Children of Alcoholics.
	I'm married to a woman that is an adult child of an alcoholic.
	And it's not so much that God puts it on those third generation people, but it consequentially falls onto them.
	i have a very hard time with that kathleen uh... that god would visit upon
	a sinner uh... for three generations
	uh... in effect punishment i just i don't understand that maybe you can
	explain it i'm not so sure it's punishment and the cycle that needs to
	be broken by god I think that that's an instance where the person really has to turn everything over to God, because it is generational.
	Sin is generational.
	The alcoholism that goes to the children.
	Whether they become alcoholics themselves or they go through the memories of the torment that they had as kids with their parents.
	God, Kathleen, I don't understand that.
	Generational.
	Why should sin be generational?
	When a new soul is inculcated, obviously with your beliefs you don't believe in reincarnation.
	No.
	So when a new soul is inculcated into a body at conception or whenever people think it occurs, why is that new soul not given a clean slate?
	It is, absolutely, especially at baptism.
	But that's not a clean slate.
	Not if the sins of the father or the grandfather are being visited.
	I'm not so sure about the accuracy of that.
	I think what we have is that the parents just overwhelm that pure soul with their sins and their addictions.
	And I think that the soul gets bruised.
	I don't necessarily agree That it's a generational thing.
	I think you see it, and I think that the curse is heavy and the baggage that comes along with each generation can be really staggering.
	I don't think that that's something God wants for us, and I really don't think that that suffering is of God.
	I think that's something else.
	Yes.
	My question for Kathleen then is, I've been studying this while I'm in my 40s now, but since I was 16, and I'm very familiar with about everything we're talking about.
	My question is, I'm not familiar though with the Catholic Church's position on the rapture, whether it is pre-trib, mid, post, or... That's a good question.
	It directly affects people like me who are devout Christians.
	Well that's good, that's good.
	I believe, and a lot of visionaries have documented this, that the rapture has almost started now.
	You're going to see little spurts of people that just aren't here anymore, but I think as far as the Catholic terminology From what St.
	Jerome has translated from the original Bible, is that it will happen, perhaps I guess we can pinpoint it now according to visionaries, around the miracle that's going to take place at Garabondo.
	And that a lot of people will just be gone at that point.
	Just gone?
	Just gone.
	You're going to see people during the warning be raptured and just come up missing.
	But you're going to see the bulk of people going at the miracle.
	Now the miracle, to answer the gentleman's question, is just about pre-tribulation.
	Things are going to start getting really, really ugly after the miracle.
	So I think it's pre-trib, the way he would define it as a Protestant.
	When you say really ugly, birth changes.
	Worse.
	Nuclear war.
	Nuclear war.
	When we get closer to the three days of darkness, demons will be snatching us to keep us from praying and taking us to the Antichrist so that we will die in sin.
	It's going to be an all-out free-for-all for how many souls God can claim and how many souls Lucifer can claim.
	So we are the prize?
	We are the prize.
	Our souls are prized by both sides.
	What is a soul?
	A soul, I've touched on this lightly, is an entity that God created before we were born.
	And when we were conceived, that soul entered the body.
	The soul grows.
	It looks like us.
	Anne Catherine Emmerich mentioned that the soul, right at death, would be hovering above the body, tied with like a thread.
	And as the body dies and that thread is broken and the soul either ascends to God or descends to hell, it feels, it loves, it changes, it grows.
	Have you always truly believed this, Kathleen, or have you ever wondered, you must have at times, whether at death it simply ashes to ashes, lights out, I reached a point where I did.
	I felt that it was over.
	It didn't matter what you did.
	But then I started to... I don't know whether God touched me or I woke up.
	I got to a point in my life where the only thing that made sense was God.
	And that was because I got myself into a corner where I couldn't get out.
	I couldn't rationalize one way or the other.
	It didn't make sense that there had to be something more beyond what we see here.
	My name is Mike.
	I'm from Chicago.
	another had to have been instilled in us by a greater being and certainly God.
	I found that out and my life changed after that.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	My name is Mike.
	I'm from Chicago.
	Hi, Mike.
	I just want to make a comment about how the Roman Catholic Church almost is like they
	put themselves above the other religions.
	Where, like, almost like everything revolves around them.
	Do you really think that's true?
	I think all religions seem to think that about themselves.
	I don't think that that's particularly true of just the Catholics.
	Yeah, you've got to admit, Caller, that name the religion that doesn't think it's the one.
	Everybody else is wrong but the other guy.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, like, with the Armageddon and stuff coming, and it seems like, you know, this Pope and that Pope, where, like, the Roman Catholic Church played a major role in the whole ordeal.
	Well, how many major churches that you know of, Caller?
	Well... Wait a minute.
	Let me finish the question.
	Okay.
	How many major churches, like something the size of the Catholic Church?
	Or the Buddhists, or you name it, believe that their own church is surrounded with evil.
	That the center of their own church, in this case the Vatican, is surrounded with evil.
	How many other major religions do you believe?
	Point well taken.
	Off the bat, I can't think of any.
	I mean, it just seems like they put themselves above everybody else.
	Well, again, circling back, most religions do that, but I repeat, I don't know of any other major church that Claims at the highest levels they are surrounded by evil in the way that Kathleen and then of course the late Father Malachi Martin has said.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, nice to finally talk to you, Mr. Bell, and have a great show.
	And to you, thank you.
	Hi, Ms.
	Keating.
	Hi, how are you?
	Hi, my name's James.
	Can you tell me, can I tell you briefly about My certain experiences and ask you for a comment or advice on what I should do next.
	Please feel free to tell me if I'm being delusional.
	Sure.
	I've been looking for an answer for several years or an explanation or guidance what to do next or if it's all just a coincidence and nothing at all.
	I have a very strong Catholic background and my parents, grandparents who are as far back as anybody knows have a very strong background.
	Strange events have been happening in my life of a spiritual, metaphysical nature.
	Starting from the week I was born, I've had many near-death experiences.
	Snatched from death at the last moment, according to my mother, many times as a child, severe accidents, illnesses.
	And as I got older, around 17 or 18, strange events would happen, what some people might call visions.
	dreams about the Blessed Mother of Jesus, recognizing evil in people in advance, having
	strange premonitions that come true, things like on that show called Fallen Angel, on
	the book Celestine Prophecy, things that happened to me that I had read about in these books
	and seen in the movies years later.
	I've been called a prophet by various Buddhists and Hindus which I met.
	I can very briefly tell the situation.
	It all happens more and more when I pray more and more, but it gets so scary that when I
	decrease my prayer life, my life becomes more quote normal and these things don't happen
	too much.
	Alright, we are so short on time.
	Kathleen, let me translate that.
	I think I heard clearly what he was saying, what's happened to him in his life.
	How is a person to know the difference between delusion and a real message, a real prophecy,
	a real knowing?
	I'm sorry.
	How is a person to know the difference?
	Not many people dream of seeing the Blessed Mother or God.
	They may want to, but they don't always see them.
	And I think that that is something you listen to, but you have to test the spirits to make sure that that is indeed a holy vision and not a delusion or something put there by the devil.
	I've never had anything of that sort.
	I've had a lot of dreams, but never one of a message from God or about God, for that matter.
	Right.
	And that's rare, in that sense.
	It's not rare for people to say, God speaks to me, you know, because we run into those people all the time, usually when they want a buck for coffee.
	And I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
	I mean, people are suffering with true maladies, you know, where they hear these voices.
	And they need help.
	But this sounds like, you know, not many people have those dreams.
	If you have them, you then have a responsibility to talk about them and to take the message forth?
	Perhaps, depending on the message.
	It may be a private revelation to you.
	All right.
	Hold on, Kathleen.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest, all the way from Nebraska.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 12, 2000.
	Don't leave me this way.
	I can't survive.
	I can't survive, I can't stay alive without your love Oh baby, don't leave me this way
	I can't exist, I'll surely miss your tender kiss Don't leave me this way
	Oh baby, my heart is full of love that's desired for you She's got something that moves my soul
	And she knows I'd love to love her But she lets me down every time
	Can't make her mine, she's no one's lover tonight With me she'll be so inviting
	I want her all for myself Oh, I'm temptationized
	Looking through my, my, my soul I'm temptationized
	You gotta love me, gotta love me tonight Love me baby, yeah
	Well, innocence is just a game But just the same, my head is spinning
	She's got a way to keep me on her side It's just a ride, it's not a ride
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired April 12, 2000.
	It is indeed.
	Good morning.
	Kathleen Keating is here.
	And it's controversial, that's for sure.
	A lot of people do get angry at this.
	They don't want to hear it.
	Or they have a vision of God that they're angry about.
	Uh, a god who's not fair.
	Who's going to kill people and eliminate a large part of the population.
	And they're downright angry.
	There's no question about it.
	That was that fellow.
	The only thing he had wrong was this program.
	This program is essentially without limits.
	And what we discuss here is without limits.
	What he really meant was, uh, not that I was defiling my program, While in his estimation, I was defiling the program.
	By discussing a subject that made him this angry.
	Because he wants to believe something else.
	That is not an indication of an open mind.
	Hey listen, I talked to Keith.
	I finally got him on the board, he's about two hours from home.
	And that photograph I mentioned of Area 51 is sitting in his email box.
	and so in about two hours when he gets home he says he's got a posted
	once again uh... here we go Kathleen Keating.
	Kathleen, welcome back.
	Thanks, Art.
	An interesting program tonight.
	It's been a real shuffle.
	Yeah, it really has.
	So back to it we go.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Is that me?
	That's you.
	Okay.
	Hi, Kathleen.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	Pleasure to speak with both of you.
	I want to kind of clear up a mistake about the word create evil.
	Well, a little bit of scholarship goes a long way when you study the Bible.
	If you get yourself a Strong's Concordance and a King James Bible, you're getting probably as close to the original translation as you can.
	But the problem being that in the Hebrew, which is about 8,000 some odd words, 8,900 words, by virtue of where they put accent marks will change the entire characteristic of the verb.
	And in this case, the word create evil, and by the way, Kathleen, it in fact does say that he does create evil in the King James.
	But a little scholarship again goes a long way.
	The word create here means to bring about.
	It does not mean to actually bring it in.
	And in fact, if you look at the, I believe it's the 28th chapter of Ezekiel, you'll see an entire, starting at verse 13, you'll see an entire description of Lucifer, and basically what he was made of.
	He's a composite being.
	He's a cherubim, and it is a mistake to believe that he's an archangel.
	he's the cherub who covers the ark but he is not considered an archangel those
	two angels that have been seen in depictions of the ark of the covenant
	are in fact there but those are not the archangels those are covering angels
	and uh... basically uh... it's a big mistake to think that there's only one
	archangel that's ever mentioned in the bible and that of course is michael
	many think that uh... others such as uh...
	uh... gabriel and others are archangels and they are simply not gabriel is the
	messenger But I'd like to comment on what you've said up to this
	point.
	I think it's very accurate.
	In the Bible, in fact, if you go to, it's Joel, Chapter 2, you read the entire Joel, Chapter 2, you'll see the locust army coming on the earth.
	That locust army, in fact, are, in fact, insectoids.
	And those insectoids are, as you and I both know, are the greys.
	So if you want to see a complete description of what's going to happen to the earth, You look at Joel Chapter 2, and you'll see that when they fall on the sword, they cannot be wounded.
	This is a very brilliant description of what's going to happen.
	And other than that... You know what, sir?
	I do have, and Kathleen, I do have a feeling that we're going to get to the bottom of the UFO question and begin to realize what Kathleen has been talking about at about the same time.
	I agree with you, Art.
	I think it's all coming together to one point.
	Yeah.
	Very quickly.
	Yeah, I think, Art, that you've been on this for a very long time, and I think that some of your deductions like the global superstorm and basically everything that you've brought forth over these last few years is very accurate, and I want to just thank you for allowing as much science and technology that the average guy on the street has not understood about a lot of these A lot of this technology, whether it be alien technology or alien-derived technology, is very accurate.
	I myself am a researcher and a student of first the Bible, and then after I got to the point in the Bible where I didn't find the aliens, and I'm thinking, hey, this Bible says it tells us everything we need to know, as Kathleen said.
	He tells us the beginning before the end, or he tells us everything at the beginning that will happen in the end.
	I couldn't find it.
	And eventually, it required reading the Bible ten separate times, and I do it with a software program called BibleThought.
	And I'm able to click on a word and look it up in a Hebrew and a Greek, depending on New or Old Testament, or the Calvi, and there's some of that, the Aramaic in the Old Testament, and Daniel, that basically will get you much closer to the truth than what the 1611 translators of the 1611 King James did, because keep in mind, That communications and so on and so forth, at that time, given all the information that we have today, was non-existent.
	These guys did the best they could, and they even said, there's a preface in the original King James 1611 that says, let the buyer beware.
	We think we did a good job here, but we're not sure, and you better check every single sentence here, because this is between you and the big guy, and that's it.
	This is not between us and you, it is between you and the Lord.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Kathleen, I have this feeling that we're going to solve both at the same time, which says something.
	Well, it'll certainly be interesting to see where we end up.
	It sure will.
	All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Good morning.
	Hey, Art.
	Kathleen, I'm going to make an attempt to try to defuse this a little bit.
	You know, I do agree with you, Kathleen, that communism slash socialism is very much alive and well, and I think the Vatican, too, has been infested by Marxists.
	Yes.
	But, you know, I think there's more to God's heaven and earth than is dreamt of by our philosophies and theologies, and thanks partly to you, Art, but, you know, I think the universe is teeming with life, good, bad, and indifferent.
	You know, just the latest guess on the stars and just our very own galaxy is 400 billion, and that's one galaxy out of over 100 billion other galaxies.
	I mean, we've got to expand our minds a little bit and get out of this limited fear state.
	Now, for me, I have no guarantee that I'm going to live throughout the day.
	I drive a cab in downtown Atlanta.
	You know, I embrace life daily, and I look To the spiritual reality that I know is part of my life and I believe in.
	Back down to earth a little bit, I want to ask you about the people like the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, Rockefellers, do you believe that these groups and people are part of a new world order agenda that's happening?
	I certainly do.
	I think they're going to manipulate the economy worldwide, and I have hard evidence to prove that they are working in cahoots with the Antichrist.
	Well, I do believe that they are manipulating us toward a one-world government.
	Beyond that, I don't know.
	All right, sir.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, you're on the air.
	Hi Kathleen, calling from Honolulu.
	Yes sir.
	Aloha.
	I have kind of a question and then a statement after your response that's a little unrelated.
	When you were speaking about the Antichrist, I just kind of had a flash that if in your concept of the Antichrist and your description If there would ever be someone who could possibly fit the mold for that, it might quite possibly be Vladimir Putin, who suddenly rose out of nowhere to become the Premier of Russia.
	Could be.
	He's a scary guy.
	He really is.
	I don't know if you've seen the eyes on that guy, but boy.
	I know.
	But he is not the one.
	This person is not in I would never judge anybody, much less judge myself.
	this moment, but he will be.
	And she's not anxious to get him there, so that's why you're not getting the name.
	I would never judge anybody, much less judge myself.
	But my own view, and that's as far as I can go, is I agree with you.
	There's God, there's Christ Consciousness, and both are all-knowing, all-loving.
	I just can't understand how there's any room for anger with an all-knowing, all-loving God and Christ Consciousness.
	Well, it's somebody who has not become comfortable with the concept.
	That we are, to a great degree, left to our own devices.
	In other words, all-knowing, all-controlling, he believes.
	Well, God is not all-controlling.
	A lot of it's up to us, and I think he's blaming on God what he should be blaming on us, Kathleen.
	I agree, and I think if you look at the Ten Commandments, you honor God, you keep holy the Sabbath.
	That's how we are angering the Lord.
	And because he's just, he can't avoid Telling us to, you know, if you spare the rod, you spoil the child.
	You spank your children when they're wrong.
	And we're due.
	Past due.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Nancy from Pennsylvania.
	Hello, Nancy.
	Hi, Nancy.
	Hi, I have two questions.
	You had mentioned earlier that your previous show that you were on with Art, it shook up heaven.
	And I was wondering if you're an intuitive, or how did you know that it shook up heaven?
	I don't know what particular thing you're talking about.
	Heaven is upset by a lot of things.
	Well, I thought you said, I might have misunderstood, that because the word got out from the previous show that you were on with Art?
	Oh, well, yes.
	This is through some visionaries that are very trusted and what they prophesy has come true.
	There's a lot of validity in it.
	This one particular visionary was an associate of Father Martin.
	and I was told that Art had a big splash in heaven because people finally caught on to
	what was being said and because of his believability that it helped the message to come through.
	That's what I was wondering if it was you or someone else.
	My other question was about on the other previous show you had said about the three days of
	darkness and ways you could prepare with putting plastic on your windows.
	Yes, that's also true for the warning.
	Right, and I had counted up my windows, and I have like 18 of them.
	And this is going to take a long time to do this.
	But I'm wondering, what about people, like elderly people?
	Actually, that's a really good question.
	Not just elderly people, but people on medication, the infirm of various sorts.
	What about them, Kathleen?
	The elderly people, from what I understand, will be put into a deep sleep if they are not taken During the morning.
	Into a deep sleep?
	Into a deep, deep sleep.
	Now we're told with people on medication, and that also applies to sleep, it applies to young children as well, under probably the age of seven.
	And you don't have to worry about them for that eight days, they will just sleep.
	That is also true in the three days of darkness for the holy people.
	God will protect them in that sleep.
	But as far as medications, it's advised that you put some medications away now.
	Like the manna in the desert, God will multiply things for you if you're generous with your food stores for other people.
	But it's smart to put things away and to put your trust in God.
	Okay.
	Wes to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Yes, sir.
	Good evening.
	Is this Art?
	It is, yes.
	Hello, Art.
	First of all, I'd just like to say that I feel horrible that you're leaving, but I know you want to move on with other things in your life.
	I think you're an incredible individual and a gentleman.
	Well, I have things in my life, sir, that my family, that I must put first.
	Okay, and Kathleen, what I have for you tonight, you're actually your first time caller.
	You kind of beat me to the punch.
	I also have a strong, exhaustive concordance of the Bible.
	I don't study the Bible probably as much as he does, but I do understand that in the passage that is in Isaiah, where the Lord speaks saying that he is the cause of good and evil.
	Not that he created evil, but it's all directly related to him.
	I think that to help you along Art with being open and the way your show is run is that
	one of the most important prayers that we can have for God is to give us wisdom to make
	the right decisions in our life.
	A big part of that is when we are hearing information that is given to us from different
	people or even listening to these guys that get on TV, these evangelists, we should be
	able to in ourselves choose what we believe is the correct path to follow and which is
	not exactly true, things that we should stay away from.
	You know I think Father Martin would probably take great exception to that and he would
	say you are wanting to have it your way and cherry pick your way along and that isn't
	the way it works.
	Kathleen?
	Well, I agree.
	It's kind of like we want to play spiritual monopoly where we change the rules and you can't do it.
	And I think that's why we're falling down so much.
	I don't want to discredit anything that Kathleen's saying because I'm very open, but I don't think that there's anybody on the earth right now that can ultimately say this is exactly what's going to happen.
	I think that we can kind of speculate and move along the right direction, but when things happen it may not be exactly as certain individuals think.
	I find it a little disturbing, Kathleen, that You're not as educated on the Bible as some people are.
	For example, I don't know if you've ever heard of Father Murray of Shepherd's Chapel in Gravatt, Arkansas.
	He's a no-nonsense guy.
	He can recite the Bible to you in great detail.
	He's very highly educated.
	He speaks Hebrew and Greek, and he knows a lot of the history of the Bible in depth.
	He'd be a great guest for you.
	Well, that's too bad.
	He hung up.
	Yeah.
	Or hung himself up, I don't know.
	First time caller on the line, we're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Kathleen, how are you doing?
	Hi, how are you?
	I'm fine.
	This is John from Tonica.
	And I was just wondering, Kathleen, you said something earlier about the scapular?
	Yes.
	I was just wondering if you could explain about that a little bit, please.
	The scapular in the Catholic faith was given to us by the Blessed Mother, and it was It's on brown wool with a picture of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
	There have been a lot of stories attributed to the scapular, some very miraculous.
	There was a man that tried to kill himself, but he had a scapular on and couldn't succeed.
	Finally, he figured out and he took the scapular off and died.
	It has saved a lot of people, especially in spiritual warfare, which is what is approaching us now.
	There are promises that are linked to the scapular that if you wear that scapular you will not go to hell.
	If you are a good person you will be spared hell.
	That's a pretty good promise right there.
	I think that should make a lot of us want to wear them.
	It does give us strength in an armament that not everyone is going to have.
	I know I hadn't worn one in years and I put one on and I felt like a great big whoosh came down on my shoulders, literally.
	It was just Like almost being bowled over.
	And I really don't want to go anywhere without it.
	That's a lot.
	Alright, you're very welcome and take care.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, this is Andy from Largo, Florida.
	Hi Andy.
	Hi, good to talk to you.
	Kathleen, I was fortunate and privileged to talk to you the last time you were on.
	You do very good work and I think the word is very important.
	Well, I also think all other religions have an opinion and a story, too.
	My question tonight, though, is earlier when you mentioned hell geographically being located in the center of the earth, in the past ten years I've seen certain documentaries and talked to certain people that claim that some division in the government basically has the directions to Where this place is at, and actually one of the entrances is from a deep cave system.
	Uh-huh.
	I don't know if you've ever heard anything about this, but... Yes.
	Well, it's... Oh, you have?
	...scary.
	It is, but I mean, considering some of our politicians, does it surprise you that they know the way to hell?
	Well, yeah, really, really.
	Furthermore, if that's the case, that would blow the lid off of a lot of things.
	I mean, we can keep a cap on UFOs and the reality of that, But hell itself being in the center of the Earth, it's the year 2000.
	You'd think by now, somebody would have gone down there, whether it's a... Well, maybe they have, but they're not coming back.
	Well, true, but do we have that technology to go down there?
	If we did, why we would, who knows?
	Well, I mean, if they've got spacecraft at Area 51, then I think we have the technology to get there.
	Well, true, true.
	I just wanted your opinion on that.
	Well, there you have it.
	Well, Art, listen, thanks, and take care, and it's time for you to start doing some stuff like you want to do, like maybe buy a hydroplane and, you know, open up your family and enjoy life.
	All right.
	Well, enjoy life.
	I'll vote for that.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Kathleen, hold on.
	There's more to come.
	Stay right where you are.
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	But don't you know that it hurts me so to say goodbye to you.
	Wish you didn't have to go.
	No, no, no, no.
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	Wish you didn't have to go.
	No, no, no, no.
	And when the rain meets against my window pane, I'll think of summer days again and
	dream.
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	Good morning, everybody.
	They say that all good things come to an end.
	He's saying I want to...
	Indeed they do.
	Kathleen Keating has written a book called The Final Warning.
	It is something that I would suggest you give equal consideration to.
	And they're really giving you a good deal on it.
	It's like half price or something.
	For only for you who have listened to the program tonight.
	Everybody else pays regular price.
	And the phones are so jammed, they are now.
	That you should try tomorrow or the next day if you don't get through right away.
	give it a try later back to work and clean heating and uh...
	Somebody writes, Kathleen, during the three days of darkness or the morning, what about our pets?
	A human concern.
	That's a very good question.
	If the pets are inside, And they survive inside most of the time, then just take care of them and feed them if you can.
	If they can be let out, put St.
	Benedict medals on them and they'll be protected.
	Obviously, if you have horses and things like that, you can't bring them inside, but put a medal on them and they'll be fine.
	God will take care of them.
	Before I get 5,000 emails tomorrow, I've been asked to do a newsletter that would go beyond the book.
	And I know to stop the emails from coming, I will go ahead with it.
	I found a publisher to put it out at cost.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's called The Messenger and it'll be $14.95.
	And you can jump from our website to The Messenger site to order it.
	It'll come out monthly starting in June.
	And if you want to send check or money order, it's post office box 23856.
	to you.
	I'm going to give you a call.
	Jesus and Mary were appearing to Veronica Lucan for 25 years?
	Right.
	Great.
	It's true, isn't it?
	Right.
	I believe in that.
	I know that there are a lot of people associated with that that don't believe in it, but everything that that woman has said has come to fruition.
	Right.
	And I think that that is the best way to judge a visioner.
	Right.
	So isn't a computer that they built in Belgium going to play a big role for the Antichrist?
	They call it the beast, yeah.
	It's all going to come down to numbers and barcodes.
	Uh-huh.
	And money, and the lack thereof.
	And then the computers supposedly going to control us all?
	Just about.
	I mean, if they control your food, they control your life.
	It's going to be a computer chip, right?
	It's either a computer chip or a barcode.
	Either inserted in the forehead or the wrist.
	Right, that's what I hear.
	It takes one to read the other.
	Yep.
	And also, when do you think the morning's coming?
	I think it'll be soon.
	I think you still have to see the Pope leaving Rome in exile and some other things that have to happen, but I think that we're getting really ready for it.
	Close.
	Yes.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	This is Gary.
	Gary, I can barely hear you.
	You're going to have to scream into that phone.
	Okay, is this better?
	Not much.
	Not much.
	That's better.
	Yes, that's better.
	Okay, Kathleen.
	Yes?
	I feel a real kinship with you.
	You do?
	Yes, I'm a born-again Christian.
	Oh, good.
	I thought you were going to say I owed you money.
	I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior.
	I came to Him.
	You know, kind of a different way than most people.
	I prayed with Native Americans for about four years, you know, sweat lodge.
	That's a different way, all right.
	Vision quest.
	And, you know, I accept Jesus.
	He is the way.
	And you may actually be interested in that.
	The Spirit led me, oh God, I guess the first time was about 92, down to a place that's
	about 30 miles southwest of you.
	I'm not going to say the exact spot.
	It's one of those desert mountains there.
	And I go down there two or three times a year to pray, and every time I do have a vision.
	And when I started reading the book of Joel, it was like right out of the book of Joel.
	Where I've been praying, I looked up at the sky and it was like there was no light coming through.
	It was like God had turned off the electricity.
	I guess we don't pay our bills.
	And every time it's something like that, having to do with Christ coming back.
	I'm kind of rambling, so I want to get to the point.
	Thank you.
	The solar eclipse last year in Europe.
	Yes.
	They say that it was the darkest since Christ was crucified.
	And all kinds of things happened that week, you know, besides all those meteor showers.
	Yes, it was a very strange week also.
	It was.
	Our friend Putin was actually appointed Prime Minister that week also, on August the 9th.
	Kathleen, do you see any special significance To that, what is your take on that?
	Pope John Paul II was born under an eclipse, and some people have said that he would die under that eclipse.
	But I think that the eclipse itself, obviously the Pope is still with us.
	I think it signifies, because it darkened the Vatican, I think we're going to see the rise of the anti-Pope very soon, and I think it was a significant part of the eclipse itself.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Kathleen.
	Good morning.
	Before I ask Kathleen or have a statement there, Art, I just wanted to say something to you.
	You know, sometimes things that are outside of you, in terms of entertainment or media or whatever, really end up feeling like part of your life and part of family.
	And I've got to just say one thing.
	You're going to be missed, my friend.
	Thank you.
	A great deal.
	There's no way to replace you.
	I've been listening with great righteous frustration all night, redialing the phone as fast as I could, trying to get through, practically praying I could get through.
	I'm curious about something.
	I'm going to bring up a statement another young man made.
	It seems to me that to some extent your knowledge of the Bible, and I'm talking about the Bible as it breaks down back to the Chaldean, the Greek, the Maserat, the original manuscripts, is not very strong and that concerns me a great deal.
	I think particularly for some of the people that have been listening tonight, one young
	girl who was very confused, other people who have their own conceptions about what is happening
	and what isn't happening.
	Some of the things that you yourself have said about the end times are somewhat inaccurate.
	I guess I just wonder, does this concern you?
	How do you feel about that?
	The Bible I use is the Bible that was translated by Saint Jerome, so it differs from the King
	James.
	I'm sorry, I'm not referring to the King James now.
	No, I know that, and I was trying to make a statement.
	I'm sorry, I apologize.
	No, no problem.
	I'm no Malachi Martin.
	I never claimed to be, and I wish I had a tenth of his knowledge when it comes to the Bible.
	But the things that I'm talking about are definitely in the Bible, and the things that are coming are definitely in the Bible.
	I guess the one thing I would like to ask you is, you know, in the Catholic faith, I'm not Catholic, but I know that you've discussed earlier this evening the various levels of hell and tradition and so forth.
	Those are non-scriptural, and I guess that concerns me.
	I mean, this is strictly a Catholic tradition in terms of describing the levels of hell, its location, and so forth.
	Well, she's a Catholic.
	Well, I understand that, Art, but we are also talking about something that is going to affect The people of the entire world here.
	And that's where the warning is going to clear that up.
	We'll find out if I'm right or wrong, or the Catholic Church is right or wrong on that.
	But I feel very strongly about the purgatorial teachings of the Church, because the evidence is there given to visionaries who have, again, prophesied and been 100% accurate.
	Okay.
	I would like to just leave with one last statement, you know, thanking Art again.
	I guess I would just suggest, Kathleen, for yourself and also with a lot of the people listening out there, Please try to find a scholarly individual who can teach the Bible from its foundation.
	The young man offered to you art before, a pastor by the name of Arnold Murray, who teaches on our pre-recruited program weekly around the United States called Shepherd's Chapel.
	And he's a very no-nonsense ex-Marine.
	I think you'd get a big kick out of him.
	I doubt there's time before you leave.
	Yeah, he might make a good guess and there might be enough time.
	If there's time and he would be willing, I'm not sure he'd be willing.
	He's pretty cantankerous about that kind of thing.
	Well, so am I. So we might do well.
	And then again, you've got to think that you might be at some level yelling up, Hey Kathleen, you were right!
	Yes.
	Ultimately, what the other guy said might be true.
	Maybe none of us really know what's happening, you know?
	There you are.
	Thanks for the call.
	Thanks to both of you.
	Take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	I'm on.
	Yes, you are.
	Oh, my God.
	Thank goodness for the redial button.
	Sure.
	It's a pleasure to be talking to you.
	I have a great deal of respect for you because you're one of the few people that brings out the things that A lot of us want to know about it.
	It's a crying shame that you're leaving the air, and I just wish that you would reconsider.
	I appreciate your concern, sir, but I'm doing what I need to do.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Western Iraqis call toll free 1-800-618-8255.
	Johnny Carson, late night television is just not there.
	I was born in a Jewish family.
	I appreciate that sir.
	I don't subscribe to any organized relation, because I think what it does is try to instill fear in people.
	I think it did that historically to try to group people together.
	Historically, when we were in the Dark Ages, coming out of the cave, I think there was a need for it to bring people together with some form of structure and some sort of belief that everyone could adhere to, to establish some sort of kinship.
	But I think those days are over.
	I think there's goodness.
	your terms god within each of us is spirit each of us i do believe reincarnation but whatever
	proven that myself uh... i have also hypnotized people as art has
	and they have verified events that happened in their past lifetimes so that's
	that's not true for me and i know these people very well they've checked on historical records places they've never
	been they've described their death we're kind of short on time
	Let me bring up that point with her.
	Regression hypnotherapy has turned up some astounding things.
	I mean, people have gone back and described prior lives and things in those lives, specific names and places they could not possibly be familiar with, and yet they are.
	Sure.
	How is one to decipher this information?
	You have to be very careful, and I'm sure Malachi has mentioned this, that you cannot open a door to another level, because the spirits do have knowledge, and they're not always good spirits that fill you with that knowledge for you to regurgitate.
	All right.
	First on caller line, you're on there with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	Yeah, this is Ross in Apple Valley.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, first I want to say I'm going to miss you and I hope the best for your family.
	I'll miss you all, too.
	Thank you.
	Yes, Kathleen?
	Yes.
	Yes, I believe in God and evil, you know, Satan and all that.
	But I have a problem with, you know, the story with God created the big flood, but he told Noah and his family to build the ark, and then all other life was destroyed.
	Right.
	Noah and his family had to restart life, right?
	Right.
	Okay, then you go back farther.
	Do you believe that Adam and Eve were our parents, our first human beings on earth?
	I think they were the first human beings that had souls.
	Okay, but isn't that more or less saying that God is okay in incest?
	Because that's basically what it is.
	The God I believe in would not go for that.
	Incest how?
	Noah's children were married to women.
	They were not brother and sister.
	So Noah had relatives on both sides.
	He had in-laws.
	from Adam and Eve's children and on and even Noah's family.
	Well I see what you're saying.
	That would be incest.
	There are cases that come up that certainly smack of incest in the Bible.
	But I think you have to look at it in particular to the situation in which Noah found himself.
	I just, uh...
	I just... that's what's always put me...
	Well, you brought up a very good point that I don't think many people talk about.
	No, that's right.
	I bet they don't.
	And it's one of the reasons would be they don't really have exactly the right answer.
	It's a tough one.
	Yeah.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi.
	Can I use both my Christian names?
	No.
	Okay.
	Paul calling from New Mexico.
	Thank you.
	Art, I haven't always agreed with you, but I can honestly say there'll never be another one quite like you.
	Yeah, well, you can say that about Castro, too.
	Thank you.
	I probably have.
	Kathleen, I wanted to... It's funny you brought that up, Art.
	I wanted to ask you, is there any way you could tell us if it would be God's will that the Cuban boy should stay or he should go?
	I've been having a terrible time with this.
	It was 800,000 people, that's what I heard on the news down there, protesting.
	I don't know if that's true or not, but it sounds pretty biblical.
	Alright, Kathleen Young, there's a classic question.
	The Cuban boy makes it to our shores, mom dies getting him here, dad wants him back, he's in communist Cuba.
	We are in one of the worst moral dilemmas that we've ever been in for one little boy in our nation's history.
	Definitely, and I don't know where you fall on this one because it's the father has rights, the child has rights, and freedom, I think a lot of people think that that should win over everything over emotional family ties.
	So I don't know.
	I don't have the answer.
	It's a tough one, but I think you are going to see a change in diplomacy with Cuba.
	Because of this.
	But you don't necessarily regard that as a good sign?
	No, I don't.
	I think it's good for the people that have families still in Cuba and so forth, but I think it's, like I said, a precursor to the warning and to me that it's just beginning of the other pieces.
	Beginning of the warning or beginning of the end, depending on how you want to think of it.
	Or the beginning of the beginning.
	Yeah, maybe that way too.
	Yeah.
	Alright, well again, your book is on sale for this program only.
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	also kathleen to uh... give out an address again i believe It's for the messenger.
	That's the monthly newsletter.
	It's Post Office Box 23856 Columbus, Ohio 43222.
	Now that's also an address where people can write to you... Personally.
	Personally, if they wish.
	I will answer each and every letter that I get.
	Alright.
	And that goes for email, too.
	Then give it again.
	Post Office Box 23856 Columbus, Ohio, 43222.
	Well, I really want to thank you for being here a second and probably final time with me.
	Well, thank you, Art.
	And come back to Coast to Coast AM again, please.
	Thank you, Art.
	And take care of yourself and know that God really wants to thank you for what you've done.
	Good night, Kathleen.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	All right, folks, that's it.
	That's all the time we've got this night.
	Now, tomorrow, We'll twist you back around again.
	James Oberg, who recently had a remarkable United Press International story about NASA, who was in fact at NASA Mission Control for, I don't know, 20 years, a long time, and has a lot to say about NASA, is going to be here.
	That's going to be a very important program.
	James Oberg, tomorrow night, right here.
	For now, from the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
	Good night.

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