Lawrence Knotts, a West Virginia man tormented by unseen entities linked to an inherited Native American burial ground, describes three years of relentless nighttime attacks—shaking beds, inflicting pain, and moving objects—despite exorcism attempts and site cleanups. Parapsychologist Dr. Katya Romanov suggests cultural reconciliation with a shaman, while Art Bell shares eerie past-life dreams, including WWII-era visions, and connects solar activity (like NASA’s Mars Polar Lander crash speculation) to seismic events. Callers report astral projections, precognitive tornado dreams, and "dream sharing," hinting at deeper psychic or environmental patterns—blurring science, spirituality, and government intrigue in unsettling ways. [Automatically generated summary]
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It's coast to coast A.M. and I'm Mark Bell.
And in a moment, we're going to tell you a ghost story.
There are two gentlemen in West Virginia who are going to tell you what's going on back there right now.
Something grabbed my arm, felt like a person's hand grabbed me by the wrist.
And I immediately took my right hand because my left hand was laying out over the edge of the bed, and I took my right hand and tried to grab what had me.
It didn't make no noise at that time, but I got up and went through the house and checked everything, and everything was peaceful and quiet like it should have been.
back to bed.
Decided, well, I'll throw the other arm out on the other side of the bed and see what happens.
And by trial and error, it went along for a while, and by trial and error, during the lightning storm, I realized it was giving me bits all night long and trying to yank me out of bed and pulling my hair and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Well, we had taken 98 Summer to ride bikes on Sundays, and I had recently went up to a flea market up at Elkins and bought a nice leather hat, and I never took it off except to eat and everything.
It was my favorite hat.
But I went down there on a Sunday evening, and he had the family in, and I just was speaking with him this afternoon, and he said, well, that was a family reunion going on, and that was the aftermath of it.
I went into the house because I didn't go to his house.
In all the summer, I did not go to his house because of that.
And I'm a God-fearing man.
I went down there, and he had some people down there, and he'll tell you the story about it.
But the person I hadn't seen for a long time, Kenny and his wife, since high school.
So I left the house, and a couple days later, I went, what the heck did I do with that hat?
And I left it down there.
Now, that might be a mundane thing for someone at all.
You just bought a hat, you've left it there.
But something drew me to the house that evening.
I don't know why.
I left the hat.
So the following Saturday I called, and his mother answered the phone, and I asked her about this thing.
She said, well, something really did happen that Sunday night, really terrible.
And I said, well, I need my hat.
I said, have you ever had any experiences about this?
His mother Orpha.
And she had.
And she said, it went into her legs and done some other things with the grandchildren and everything.
And so I got kind of nervous and I went down to the preacher down here and had a couple crosses anointed and carried one in my pocket and left one on top of the bed just to be safe.
Maybe that's overly safe.
But, you know, if you believe in one spirit, you've got to believe in good and bad.
Well, moreover, more importantly, if the only part of the picture that was moving was the bed up and down, not the whole picture, then you've got a legitimate shot.
unidentified
Right.
The next one that he showed me was you had to look very closely, but the thing was moving over across him and he was talking.
It wasn't something that stayed there because everybody has pains in their eyes on occasion.
And this wasn't a normal thing.
But that was the third occasion.
And I don't know, and I still wouldn't identify it.
And only last week, my girlfriend, John, she wanted to leave early.
She got spooked, so we left early.
And I don't know.
sounds like lawrence has lost just about everybody close to him in his life over this thing is that I kept trying to find out about a professor, a woman that was a professor up here at West Virginia University had died after a time that I think I might have a story wrong, but these people that were there that Sunday that I left,
my hat, he'll have to tell you a story because I don't want to tell it second-handed.
So I hope you understand the reason I wanted to bring you on, Sonny, was so that the people understood what Lawrence is saying is known to be true by more than just Lawrence.
Because, you know, incredible stories and incredible proof and all that sort of thing.
And you guys are eyewitnesses.
So what you have said and what you have done for Lawrence as he continues the story is very important, Sonny.
Do you have more you want to add, or is that about it?
And should I go to Lawrence?
unidentified
You should go to Lawrence at this time because he's got some amazing things.
on this somewhere in time And in the springtime of the year, when the trees around the leaves, In the ash and oak and the bird on you, and dressing ribbons fear.
And out cold, the breathless moon.
In the moving of the night.
The shadows of the dreams appear.
And meets the lantern light.
Be perfect of the night.
some Be it sun, sand, smell, touch, something inside that we need so much.
The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak when you're deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, all these things in our memory soul when the universe comes up
this way, it's my favorite, take a place of street, it's my fear.
I will burn the strength of the years Sweat so hard just to end my fears And to end my life in all my hands But by now, by now, I shall not grow Oh, oh, oh, oh You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 17th of February 2000.
And Lawrence Knotts in West Virginia, who lives now alone in a home where he's lost everything because of an entity, because of a ghost, because of I don't know what it is.
But I am sufficiently convinced that his friend examined physical evidence that obviously we're going to ask for a copy of You Cap.
And we're going to now hear the rest of the story from Lawrence Orr in a moment.
One of the things, I mean, your mom, for goodness sake, what specifically do you think scared her so much she finally left?
I mean, why?
unidentified
Well, I'd experienced it being them things that didn't like light because during the lightning storm, lightning flash said, let me say you can go under the bed and raise the bed up and down.
And I'd found out what it had been doing to me, and I told my mother how to break it.
If it got a hold of you, to shine a bright flashlight over it, and it couldn't take it.
And it released its hold on you.
So I told her, and she thought it was, she kept her bright flashlight in the bed with her.
And one night it did, and she had to use the flashlight so it felt like it was going to tear all the bones out of her leg.
And she shined the flashlight on it, and it backed off, which that's the pattern I've been using on, using bright light against it to try to fight the thing with, because there ain't a whole lot you can do to a monkey from hell like that to discourage it.
It just back off as I hooked up a 750,000 candle power spotlight for open air or open country spotting, and I used to hook that up to bed, and I used it.
It had a lot of power, and I'd tip it over back and forth in the room, and they would back off.
But as soon as I dropped the light off of them, they'd start again.
Have they ever left physical evidence of what they've done other than what you have on videotape, which is really something you're to be commended for doing?
What drove you, by the way, to finally do that, to set up videotape?
unidentified
Well, everyone that talked to, well, not everyone, but a majority of the people I talked to thought I was losing my mind.
Yeah, he'd pull my hair above my right ear to let me know he was there.
That was his trademark before he'd start any of his stuff.
But the thing of it is, they've got so much static electricity that I took a compass.
That girl who took the one out of here said that there's a possibility I might sense this much activity here that she wouldn't come back and work on it anymore because she said it caused her problems.
Yeah, and as soon as come around the bed and started shaking the left side of the bed and messing with the bed and coming up towards me, that needle followed it just like it just located it just like it was pointing to north, only it ignored north and went to that thing.
And it has so much energy that the hair especially has, the hair will stand up on you and point towards them.
You can feel them when they get close to you.
Your hair is like, just like static electricity, it'll just draw you.
You can feel at your hair and it'll be pointing in that direction.
I was about to ask Lawrence, when the dog chased the entity, did the entity run from it or move from it?
unidentified
The first ones there did.
But something came in once there.
I called it last, but I called it the boss bugger.
And it came into the room and the dog was on the bed barking because the dog could hear him and the dog would go off and rip up and down through the hallway, snapping, cracking his teeth at him.
But anyway, this one night, there was something with a lot of power came there because I had the ceiling fan on and the dog laying on the foot of the bed with me and I heard something in the hallway cracking and beating around and the dog raised up and started to barking.
And the ear just died in there.
I had the ceiling fan on and I looked at the dog and his mouth was working but there wasn't nothing coming out.
It was the ear had just died.
Something had so much power killed the ear.
I couldn't hear the dog a-barking and I couldn't hear the ceiling fan a going.
So in other words, this dog was obviously barking because that's what dogs do when they open their mouth, but there was no sound coming out.
unidentified
Right, you couldn't hear no sound.
And that really creeped me up.
I grabbed my spotlight and kept it going.
My arm had got targeted.
I kept switching arms till this thing finally left.
But then before it left, I coaxed the dog backed up towards me, towards my head, and I finally coaxed him into going after it and towed him over that way and told him to get it.
And that thing grabbed the dog and threw it down the hallway.
So you think it just might have been a coincidence?
unidentified
Yeah, I think that was a coincidence.
Their main gig is to stress you till you can't sleep.
During the day, they don't mess with you.
And whenever you try to lay down and get some rest of the night, that's when they start their problems.
And I've got so I don't go to bed until 3 o'clock, after their monkey business is over with, and then I sleep, and then the next day, it's got my life turned to half a turnout on the clock.
Well, recently, I think last week it skipped one night, and maybe it was two nights last week it skipped, but that's the first time it skipped since this stuff started three years ago.
Probably doesn't make much difference to you because you've got to assume it's there if it's there every other night.
unidentified
Yeah, so even when don't get to shake in the bed, that thing can actually read your thoughts.
Now, the Bible says, guard well your thoughts, because even your thoughts is heard in heaven.
So I thought that was a little bit extreme.
But that thing I can think, if I'm laying in the bed and I want to know if it's around, my person lay down or something, if it's still there, all I have to do is just think, monkey, don't you shake the bed, and that bed will start up and down.
I don't have to say nothing.
All I have to do is just think it.
And that thing can hear your thoughts just like if they were, just as if he was talking out loud.
He recently, well, I guess actually three years ago now, allowed a timber company to come in and cut the timber on his land, land he owns, but land which was Native American land, apparently, at one time.
And immediately following that, he began to get haunted.
And when I say haunted, I mean what he's had to say has been incredible.
He would lay his arm off the bed, and something unseen would grab it, like another arm or hand grabbing you, grab hold of him.
He tried it again, it happened again.
There's quite a, I just can't encapsulate the entire thing, but it happened to his mother.
She took off.
It happened to his fiancé.
She took off.
I had Sonny Nestor in West Virginia, who's a friend of Lawrence's, on the air last hour, and he verified what Lawrence is telling me.
Lawrence has had his eyes gouged, people sticking pins in your eyes.
He's had his bed rise up off the floor.
He's got videotapes of all of this.
So why is Lawrence there?
Well, Lawrence built his house.
It's his house.
He's not going to leave.
He had an exorcism performed.
One spirit left the home, but two came back.
Light seems to affect them.
He's rigged up strobe lights.
He's got flashlights.
He had his mother using flashlights and his fiancé.
And finally, they excuse the expression, gave up the ghost and left.
We'll go back to Lawrence in West Virginia in a moment.
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My family showed me where my uncle did a heritage off of where the Indian graveyard was.
And his, back in his recollection, they was the people that owned the land, he bought it off of some other people that owned the land a couple of generations down, but them guys, there was some boys in that family, and they went and dug them Indian graves up.
And there was about four out of six of them died in a mental institution.
There's a lot of Pentecostals in the West Virginia area, huh?
Right.
So, what about your church?
You must have gone to them.
You must have gone to your church.
unidentified
Yeah, I did.
That's the first place I went.
I talked to my minister and asked if he had any experience with ghosts, and he said no.
I said, well, how about studying up on it?
Because I think I've got one down here for sure, and I'm going to need help to get it out of there.
I thought maybe a simple exorcism would do the job.
I had no idea how much problem I was going to have.
I thought maybe if a preacher came and prayed over the house, prayed through the house and what have you, and ordered it out of there, it would stay out.
And that's where the graveyard is, and that's where the timber was cut, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I was pretty sure that they had something to do with it.
And I was out there deer hunting, and something, felt like something slapped me.
I didn't see nothing there.
And I said, hey, has this got anything to do with my ghost problem?
Slapped me again.
And I was looking down there where the graveyard was at, and the timber cutters had cut a lot of trees into it and really trashed it up.
And I said, do you want that graveyard cleaned up?
And that thing slapped me twice real quick.
And I said, I can understand that.
So I took 17 truckloads of firewood out of that graveyard, took all the brush out of it and planted pine trees around it, made it look real nice, and put up a permanent stainless steel sign and marketed it as a graveyard.
But even though, you know, this is your house, you built it, I understand that, but at the time your mom leaves, at the time your fiancé leaves, by then, your life's kind of falling apart around you over this thing.
And it must take an awful lot of will or stubbornness, I don't know what you are, willful or stubborn or both, to stay there.
And I don't know what you're trying to do now.
Make peace with it?
Fight it out?
unidentified
What?
Basically, I'm trying to outlast it.
And then hope to get target and go away.
I've been hoping that for quite a while, but I found something recently, in all honesty, that has helped me survive with it.
Basically, he said, listen, tell me, the doctor is a woman, but she said, well, she said, I can give you something to help relieve the stress in your life.
She said, I can give you medicine for that, but as far as medicine for that ghost problem you've got, they don't make nothing for that.
But she said, I can give you some stress-relieving pills.
So that helps my nerve, and it helps to keep me from getting my nerve shot so bad that my nervous system overloads or anything.
I've come to the conclusion, too, that through time and experience, that I just can't get sleep before 3 o'clock.
You know, to a lot of people, Lawrence, what you have on those tapes is evidence of either the survival of spirit after death or maybe of evil personified in some sort of spirit.
You know, I don't know how to put it, but in other words, you have very, very, very important evidence in the eyewitness testimony of your friend.
unidentified
I'm sure one thing, if you wondered whether the Bible was right or not, when something like that comes to messing with you, he won't have any trouble believing what the Bible tells you.
If you've been with us over the last hour and a half, you've heard a hell of a story of a haunting in West Virginia.
You know, normally I'm so interested in this sort of thing that I would have offered to get on an airplane and go experience it.
But what's going on there sounds so awful that I wouldn't do that.
Despite curiosity, I'm not that curious.
And what this man is going through, this hell, this man is going through, I just, I don't know what to say, but maybe one of my guests coming up a little late does, and late gracefully, because I wanted to get Lawrence's entire story out.
And so Dr. Katya Romanov, we'll call her Dr. Katya, holds a Ph.D. in parapsychology, metaphysics, and world religion.
So she, along with Laurie, would normally be here talking about dreams, and yes, we'll get to that.
But since she's got a PhD in parapsychology, why, obviously, she no doubt is going to have something to say about what you just heard over the last hour and a half, appropriately so.
So I think that's the way we'll open up with the ladies in a moment.
That was some one hell of an hour and a half, I would say.
I'm talking to a number of people about this man's situation, and I'm going to have somebody call him.
Specifically, who may be able to help out, Evelyn Paglini, and she's in touch with us, and maybe by now with him as well.
But that's some story.
I don't know that I would stay there.
That I could have stayed there.
On the other hand, I don't know what you do.
You build your own house.
You have a lot of land there.
You inherited the land.
And you don't want to leave.
Anyway, fortunately, we've got coming up Dr. Katya and Lori, who ostensibly were here originally to talk about dreams, and we'll get to that because there's some pretty weird stuff going on now in my life that I want to ask about.
Actually, that's why I called them, and we set the show up.
But they heard at least the last 30 minutes of the last hour and a half.
Obviously, I want to get both of your impressions, but Dr. Kacha, because you specialize in areas like this, just give me your impressions of what you heard and what you think and what this man might do.
unidentified
I've dealt with possessions a few in my time and exorcisms, only a few, but enough to be somewhat comfortable with the concept.
But that scared me.
I mean, I had goosebumps that was frightening he was obviously under acute psychological distress from this and of course a depth psychologist would say it's his subconscious he's projecting blah blah blah but as a parapsychologist I do believe that these entities exist my advice to him listen I asked him about that but you've got to bear in mind in the first hour that which you didn't hear was a friend of his that lives a few miles away they've known
his friend sent me the email i brought his friend on the air his friend saw this stuff it even happened to his friend he's got a witness like he said it should be documented but he's got video tape too uh...
so uh...
he it sounds not so simple originally i thought just because he signed a contract to have the timber on the uh...
native american land
cut that was a problem and he said the problem started when he signed the contract right i heard that it's a lot worse than that apparently because it's burial ground and he said kids dug up native american bodies so arm all men how do you get out of this one yeah hit him my advice to him and i i get this from my my half brother was listening to the program with me got native american blood in him he said
unidentified
he needs to get a shaman a native american medicine man to make peace entities to offer a bridge the the red man doesn't trust the white man for obvious reasons and a shaman could provide a bridge he's trying to deal with it in the only frame he has which is christianity uh...
and that's a very valid frame of reference it's not enough he needs to to deal with them on their own terms and make peace uh...
sacrilege it's iconoclasm it's it's a desecration you know that's holy ground and it's been disturbed so these entities are all stirred up there have been studies we would call this perhaps morphogenetic mind forms um...
there is no way the laws of thermonuclear dynamics there's there's no way to get rid of something so for those who are out there who are skeptics and don't believe in ghosts and spirits just think there's nowhere to go for our thought processes for our personalities for our minds so they can center and cluster around a sacred site like this especially one that has the negative connotation of being disturbed uh...
dead spirit i had some guests on last night who wouldn't agree there's any such thing as a dead spirit i don't know i think it did you realize that show yet i don't know i don't know okay all right word dead spirit are are almost an oxymoron be kept spirit it immortal to my guess last night these things would have been uh...
demons uh...
he would say they're demons what do you really think they are demons actually the spirits of the the uh...
unidentified
native americans that were buried there what you know what is what is this man encountering native americans who have passed on have been disturbed and have unfinished business and so they have not been stirred up into the ether the gene pool mixed in and reborn they are still a cluster of their original life form their thoughts their their whole whole spirit that that's
almost as though it we were still living in the flesh but it isn't it's not a demon demons and angels are terms that we have fine uh...
through the centuries as we grapple with these unseen entities these clusters of living people that are still left behind even though they die they have unfinished business all right they're not going to fade away this man said compasses would follow them around the room the dog would chase them the room would get cold uh...
off the floor bouncing it back and forth grab him gouge his eyes right see these are all like electromagnetic disturbances they can be measured um...
unidentified
just like the radio waves are invisible but they're in your room right now helping you listen to the program obviously he he the main visible thing are out there very frightening you think one of those good campfire stories to here you we know what this whole situation reminds me of the winchester house uh...
my wife mentioned that you want to explain to people about winchester now winchester uh...
is a man uh...
was a man uh...
who manufactured firearms uh...
hence the name winchester rifle right what what's the deal behind that i will after he died um...
unidentified
his wife with and i found correct he was being tormented and visited a and medium who told her it was the uh...
here at the bottom of people who had been killed by the rifle perhaps been manufactured a lot of the native americans know that i don't know you know why when i was when was uh...
what year was this uh that mrs winchester began to experience this do you know offhand roughly i'm thinking after the civil war after the civil war i could be wrong but i think it was around that time and uh so to keep these spirits at bay she began building this house with the money that was made From the Winchester Rifle Company.
And she just continued to build and build and build this house with stairs that led nowhere, doorways that would open into nothing for the rest of her life.
If she experienced this until the day she died, this is a 49-year-old man that we just talked to, you know, a disabled man who owns a lot of property, built his own house.
Again, the men I had last night would say this is absolute bunk.
There's no such thing because when we die, it's death.
Good night, maybe.
Maybe there is another side.
Certainly they believe with the Lord in heaven, I guess, but you're dead, you're dead.
That's their very fundamentalist view.
And they expressed it, they were very articulate, but they strongly hold that view, and you strongly, obviously, disagree.
unidentified
Now, there's just too much evidence of an unseen world, another realm overlapping our own, of which we move within, that disproves, I think, this narrow view that all we are is what we see.
Science has proven that there is so much more that we don't see.
Why put blinders on and ignore that when dealing with it and grappling with it will bring you peace?
The goal is, and the goal of any religion should be, to end human suffering.
So you look and see how it works.
Even Jesus of Galilee said, you'll know them by their fruits if it works.
So if it brings peace, an exorcism or dealing with these, making peace, if it ends human suffering, that's your result.
You may not have heard this, but he brought somebody, I guess, at the advice of the church or from the church who exercised one spirit, and then he got two spirits.
unidentified
Right.
The exorcism must not have been as effective as it needed to be.
Again, I really think he needs the assistance, perhaps a Christian exorcist working with a Native American shaman.
They need to bring together those two cultures as a communication bridge to those very unrestful spirits.
Well, you heard him say he took a truck in there, really cleaned the whole mess up that he admitted it was a big mess, cleaned it up, and put a memorial up there saying it was a burial ground, the whole thing.
unidentified
That must not have been enough to appease them, though.
Is a ghost like that a full consciousness, do you believe?
I'm asking you about the nature of ghosts now.
In other words, are these really spirits that are physically dead but fully conscious?
I mean to be slapping and gouging eyes and doing things so specific, raising beds, all the things we see in the movies, throwing stuff around the room, furniture moving, there was a lot you didn't hear, all of that kind of stuff.
Does that mean this is really that being but from the other side, fully conscious as we understand it?
unidentified
Well, consciousness, oh, what a realm that is.
We have our unconscious, our subconscious.
Consciousness is something that we center around our minds, our brains, and our skull.
So these are entities with no brain, but yet they are a form of consciousness that existed at one time.
If he's got photographs videotape even better, and he does, of the bed coming up off the floor, he said that he's got on the videotape you can see a kind of a fuzz spot as the entity moves about the room with a compass following it.
He's got all of this on tape.
This is real serious proof.
unidentified
Well, yeah, but you know, the naysayers would say, hey, that could be trick photography.
Well, you just never know what you're going to run into on any given night.
unidentified
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Don't you give up, baby.
Don't you cry.
Don't you give up tonight.
Reach me up to the side.
I was lonely, baby.
I couldn't sleep.
The night that you...
Nothing but a heart is never ending.
I hope it's in all the way.
What you're saying, yeah He's like me, oh why Can I get him?
Nothing but a heartache Never redeem it I've got a chance All the way To wish you that I just can't win, yeah He's like me, oh why Can I get him?
I've got a lot of those heartaches I've got a lot of those teardrums Heartaches, teardrums All the way Nothing but a heartache Never redeem it Nothing but a heartache
Everything, yeah I've got a heartache Teardrum all the way I've got a lot of those heartaches Coming just to slam, yeah He's got me, oh why Can I get him?
I've got a lot of those heartaches I've got a lot of those You are listening to Art Bell, somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast AM from the 17th of February, 2000.
Well, this song goes well for my friend of the last hour and a half, prior to this last segment.
Every day, I guess, a heartache, huh?
Anyway, coming up, we will continue with my current guest, Dr. Katya Romanov.
Now, she doesn't use her last name, so we're going to just call her Dr. Katya and Lori.
Both who normally come here and talk to us about dreams, and we are going to get to that because I've got a situation going on in my life with dreams, but it surely is trivial compared to what that poor man in West Virginia is going through right now.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 17th of February, 2000.
He is unable to sleep during nighttime hours at all.
I mean, this has been going on for three hours.
So this guy sits up at night with lights, and sometimes he said a mask and strobe lights so that he can sleep.
But when he does sleep, I guess mainly during the day, I don't know if it affects his dreams or not.
But the main reason I since I had interviewed the two of you before, and we had a really good interview on the air about dreams, as you know, something began to happen to me, and so I picked up the phone and I called you, and I began to tell you about what I'm going to describe tonight.
In the information you sent to me, Lori, you list five possibilities of dreams.
Paranormal dreams, it says here, correspondence between physical conditions such as illness or pregnancy, whatever, and dream content.
Two, contact dreams, dreams in which the dead communicate with us.
absolutely but Without going into the details, and I obviously don't want to read on the air.
There are enough details that I have considered, I don't know, I've tossed around two ideas.
One, actually finding the people, because I know they're there, I know the town they're in, and talking to the people, or even getting on an airplane and going to a couple of these places.
Now, I'm really hesitant to do this, but I'm almost driven to do this.
So that's why I called you now in the dreams that you've lined up here to talk about just exactly where, pray tell, does what's happening to me fit in?
Any thoughts?
unidentified
Well, it's a classic case of tapping into the collective unconscious.
If your dreams were all in contemporary settings, which they're not, they would still be valid experiences where you're touching the minds or the life experiences of other beings, other human beings.
But since some of them are historical in a historical context, they could be genetic memory triggering something one of your grandparents, great-grandparents Went through.
Reincarnation, of course, past lives is a whole kettle of worms.
I've been grappling with reincarnation for years, and I'm not sure I believe in it, but I do believe in genetic memory.
In other words, anything that your ancestors did, felt, experienced, you can access through your DNA.
Every cell in your body has that same DNA code.
The same DNA code is in your hair that's in the cells that make up your heart muscle.
Okay, but what, just out of curiosity, do you imagine might cause a man my age who's dreamt just like everybody dreams, I think, which is a foolish statement because I don't know how everybody dreams.
But, you know, I've had your run-of-the-mill, anything from terror to romance to funny stuff to sad stuff to scary stuff, but always just dreams.
I know that if I make the trip, I'm going to find what I lived.
And when I tell you I lived it, I mean I lived it.
Well, I guess the question really is, what would make somebody who's dreamt normally, in quotes, all their life, suddenly begin to dream in this utterly, completely different mode?
And, you know, I mentally remember some of them, even relate some of them to my wife, that kind of thing.
When you have an exceptional dream, but always I was very aware this was a dream, and I'm totally aware what I've been having is more than a dream, if that answers your question.
unidentified
It does.
Yeah, I'd say.
Are you aware while in the dream that this is a past life you are experiencing?
Now, you've had these recently, so this one might not fit you just yet, but is the dream so vivid that you can describe the slightest detail even years later?
The reason for that is because it was so shocking to me that, of course, when I awakened, I spoke to my wife about it and I relayed a lot of the detail to her.
And in doing that, it caused me to remember it in great detail, I think.
That'd be a way to put it.
unidentified
Right.
It's always good to discuss a dream with someone.
If you're not keeping a dream journal, it's good to discuss even non-paranormal dreams.
Your normal run-of-the-mill dreams aren't run-of-the-mill.
Every dream has a message.
But in your case, you're dealing with past lives here, the whole reincarnation issue.
Have you, whatever your spiritual tradition is, have you believed in reincarnation?
Are you a disbeliever?
So now perhaps these dreams are coming to you to say, hey, this is true.
I mean, how personally, I told you personally, I really struggle with reincarnation.
Music Music Music Once again, Dr. Katya and Laurie are on the air, and hi there, ladies.
All right, here's my answer to your question.
Again, I'm going to refer, believe it or not, back to last night to the fundamentalists that I had on, because there were certain things that I really agreed with them about.
You no doubt recently have heard, you asked me if my attitude on death and dying has changed, and the answer I think is no.
Now, he did thousands and thousands of that series of peanuts.
It was all his adult life.
And he died on the eve of his last one.
He had announced his retirement, and he died on the eve of his last one.
And the gentleman I spoke with last night thought that he regarded his mission as done, or his mission on earth was done.
And so it appropriately occurred to him.
Or, you know, you can imagine a million different things.
He brought it on himself mentally.
It really was cosmically his time.
God took him back at that moment.
Think of it the way you will.
I don't believe in that many coincidences, although, you know, maybe sure it could have been a coincidence, but not very likely One, in my opinion.
So, my attitude is that you're taken when you're done with what you're supposed to do.
That's my attitude on Death and Dying: that you're kind of taken when you're done with what you're supposed to do.
And who knows when that is, as I said to my wife during the break, until the symbol of the mighty Dodge is bearing down on you, or however it is, you're going to go.
And you might not even have any warning.
So, I think we have some sort of mission to accomplish in this life, and then when you're done, you're done.
I can't honestly say that I believe in reincarnation.
I can't say that.
unidentified
And your fundamentalist friends last night, they, as Christians, would disbelieve reincarnation, even though for the first four centuries of Christianity, reincarnation was standard belief.
Emperor Constantine got rid of reincarnation at the urging of his third wife, who couldn't handle, she was a very vicious, nasty woman, and she couldn't handle the thought that she might have to come back as a lower life form because she was so mean and cruel.
So she talked him into removing reincarnation from the doctrines.
And of course, you remember Emperor Constantinus, the man who put Christianity on the map.
How comfortable could she have been doing that, personally?
In other words, certainly she might fool some other people downline, but she had to know herself that she was just using her wiles to get this done.
It ain't the truth.
unidentified
Right.
Perhaps she felt she had an ego complex that she felt she really was forming this rising star religion.
And she thought, well, maybe, maybe if I help form these doctrines, that's how it's really going to be in her fear of as it is written, so it shall be done.
Yeah, maybe 7.30 in the evening from 5 to 7.30 or 8 o'clock even if I'm lucky.
And so that's my sleep schedule for the day.
And so then I must pass through these various stages of sleep a whole bunch of times.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
That's going to bring you more psychic dreams, too.
Nap time, when a person takes a nap in the afternoon, even if it's only for 30 minutes, some of the most psychic dreams, and when I say psychic, I mean of the soul.
I don't mean the connotation that the word psychic has come to mean.
I mean psychological, the most powerfully potent dreams will come during nap time.
So you're kind of getting that.
You're getting these naps.
You're not deep, getting into the deep layers of sleep where there's total dreamlessness.
There have been times, I think I said this to you before, when I've had dreams where I was so active that when I did wake up, I felt like I'd been working because I was dreaming of such a dream that instead of waking up rested, I go, God, glad that's over.
Now I'm awake.
unidentified
Yes, that's very common for people who have broken sleep patterns.
You feel worse than when you went, you know, you just should have stayed awake because so much is going on during your sleeping time.
And it needs to.
That's what recharges your batteries.
And I don't mean your physical batteries.
Obviously, sleep does that.
But your brain needs to recycle.
Your mind.
Your consciousness needs to go through that REM sleep.
And it does need those nice dreamless sleep phases also.
And usually laughter and sleep talking, talking in the sleep state, usually those are just as we're emerging.
The sleep state that's most akin to meditative states.
You know, the gurus of India, though they meditate and they have visions, well, they've measured their brain waves when they do this and other mystics of other traditions.
Yeah, well, I wanted to mention the happy part of it to you, and this is not necessarily unhappy, but she also tells me that I moan and that sometimes I cry.
I wanted to get that out because I guess I wanted to see if other people were experiencing it.
I wanted to run it by the two of you.
What I want to do next is allow the audience to get in here and say what they want to say.
So that's what we'll do as he grabs some more dream bumper music.
Irresistible.
unidentified
The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
more somewhere in time coming up.
I know the magic of her charms, cause I want a girl to call my own, I wanna believe.
Dream lover so I don't have to dream alone Dream lover, where are you with a love for the blue top walls Never market the stars But the hidden that she leads you to These days and feel my life Just like a web for
running through the year of the camp.
The End
Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
bit of soul so I always let it go anyway I do have some interesting items for you and then open lines directly ahead stay right there All right,
I've got a number of comments and then we're going to open the lines here and here they come number one I have not for a long time paid attention to the political world and I still don't very much for a lot of reasons I used to be a registered at one time I was a registered Republican and I had to fed up with him, and so I became something else.
I became libertarian, and that's to me the sign of a free thinker.
And so it doesn't mean some people seem to think it means that I would go out and always vote for the libertarian candidate.
Well, that's bunk.
And if that's what the libertarians think, then they enlisted the wrong guy or the wrong guy enlisted, depending on how you want to look at it.
My vote will go for the person that I think I have a chance of believing.
And that could be anybody, any party.
And as I look at the landscape right now, I like Senator McCain.
George Bush, W, gives me the creepies.
When I look at him, I get the creeps.
I really like McCain.
McCain's like a real guy to me, I guess.
He was a POW, as most of you know.
And I don't know, when I listen to him, I just, it sounds like the real thing to me.
And when I listen to George W., it sounds like his dad to me.
And sketchy as that is, those are my feelings about the political situation going on right now.
Of course, McCain had a surprise and very big victory in New Hampshire, and now they're really scrapping down in South Carolina.
So that's going to be the news through the weekend primary coming on Saturday.
And it's going to be big news.
It'd be interesting to see what occurs.
I just wanted to say to those who know that I'm libertarian, if you think that means that I automatically vote that way, you're crazy.
And I don't think that's really true of any party affiliation.
At least not for me.
For some people, I guess when they join a party, they automatically pull the ballot for the person in that party.
A flaw in the design of NASA's Mars polar lander could have caused its engines to cut off prematurely while the $165 million spacecraft was descending to the surface, said the engineers on Thursday.
The glitch is the latest of several possibilities under investigation into why the spacecraft has not made contact since December 3rd.
It was supposed to have gently landed, you'll recall, to begin a 90-day mission to study Mars climate history.
Other scenarios include the possibility that the spacecraft landed on some steep side of a canyon and toppled over or the radios broke down.
You know, they don't know.
But the late news is that the signals they thought they were getting from the lander have now been apparently ruled out by NASA as lander signals.
And it was kind of interesting because you may recall Ed Dame said the lander burned up in the atmosphere.
And even on the day that the story came in where they thought they had signals from the lander, Ed Dame said, no, no.
Remember what I said?
It burned up in the atmosphere.
Well, guess what?
Now it looks like that's an equal possibility at the very least that it may have fallen into a canyon and can't get up, although that would not account for the lack of course of the UHF signals.
So the highest likelihood, it seems to me now, is that it did, in fact, burn up in the atmosphere.
Now, the following is from, is just hours old.
You may have heard the reference Dr. Kotja and Alori made to our sun.
The following is from Space Science News, February 18th.
So you can check it out yourself.
Subject, a coronal mass ejection heads for Earth.
Space Science News for February 18th, 2000.
Here comes the sun.
A full halo, that's in quotes, full halo coronal mass ejection left the sun yesterday, apparently headed directly for Earth.
When the leading edge of the disturbance reaches our planet February 19th or 20th, it may trigger aurora and other geomagnetic activity.
And then they go on to point to the full story.
We'll try and get this up for you on the website.
I'll pass this link on to Keith here shortly, and we'll get it up on the website.
But if true, that certainly is very interesting.
So is this.
And I talked to Richard Hoagland about this earlier in the day.
Reuters News.
Sinking water levels have apparently revealed a granite sarcophagus of the ancient Egyptian god Osiris in a 30-meter deep tomb at the Giza Pyramids.
That, folks, is a quote from Zahiyahuas himself.
Osiris, of course, one of the most important gods of ancient Egypt, who, according to mythology, was murdered by his wicked brother, Seth.
He was buried by Isis, his sister, wife, and brought back to life as judge of the dead and ruler of the underworld.
Dr. Hawa said the sarcophagus, which he dated 500 BC in the New Kingdom, was surrounded by the remains of four pillars built in the shape of a hieroglyph called the House of Osiris.
The excavation unearthed 3,000-year-old bones and pottery found in the underground water, he said.
He said, quote, I never excavated this shaft because it was always full of water.
But when the water went down about a year ago, we began the adventure, he told Reuters.
After dirt and most of the remaining water was cleared from the shaft, located between the Sphinx and the pyramid, archaeologists found three underground levels with the submerged Osiris sarcophagus at the lowest.
Many people believed there were tunnels going to the Sphinx and another leading to the Great Pyramid.
But only when we sent, get this folks, a young boy into a tunnel in the west wall of the tomb shaft did we find this exciting discovery according to dr. Zahi Hawas.
And then here's one more item that I really had to get on the air this morning.
This is dated February 16th, Auckland, New Zealand, and you can find it if you want on Yahoo News.
The headline is, Global sea level rise to flood parts of Tuvalu this weekend.
That's Tuvalu, T-U-V-A-L-U.
Check this out.
Global warming and the associated sea level rise will threaten residents of Tuvalu this weekend with tides, these are tides now, folks, forecast to be higher than most of the islands they live on, according to a climate expert Wednesday.
Homes, offices, the airport there, all expected to be flooded, underwater.
So what they're saying, scientists are saying spring tides have been getting steadily higher, causing serious problems, but this month they will get the highest ever.
The island home to about 11,000.
The groundwater already has become undrinkable thanks to seawater intrusion.
But according to one resident who says it's very hard to live here right now, shortly it apparently is going to be impossible to live there.
Now, if global warming had any validity, depending on whether you want to believe in global warming or reject it and just believe in big cycles, when islands begin to disappear under the water, inhabited islands begin to disappear under the water, then you've got to imagine something real is going on.
It has nothing to do with storms or anything else, simply consistently raising higher and higher tides.
Now, I will leave it to you, because obviously the scientists have no clue, except they feel global warming.
That's what they say.
And I know a lot of you, for political reasons or reasons of whatever belief, reject the whole concept, which is fine.
But you're going to have to make up a good reason for islands beginning to disappear.
People who are going to have to begin evacuating islands because they're going to be gone under the water.
Well, you know, it's really easy to advise somebody to get the heck out, and I understand that.
But when the land is generational, it's been passed on down to you, when you're disabled, when you've built your own house, when you've lived there all your life, then maybe it's not so easy.
It's easier for us to say than it would be for him to.
unidentified
Also with Indians, I mean, think about what they've been through.
They've lived there for generations themselves, you know.
I think sage wisdom is a good idea, too, and the wisdom might be to get the hell out.
It is really easy advice to dispense, as we dispassionately, to some degree, at least sit here, and we're not in his shoes, in his house, on his land.
And so it's easy to say, and for him, understandably, I mean, after all, his mother left, his fiancée left, and he's lost a lot of the people, friends that he knew who will not come around anymore.
So, I don't know.
People make their choices, I guess, you know.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hey, Art.
It's Mission Lawyer Jet Kim from Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada.
Okay, this is kind of inside information so that the NASA people listen, just sit back and relax, okay?
But the first group of people that came in, they were payload specialists and whatnot, like nuclear scientists, the whole nine yards.
Anyways, it was a beautiful summer's day in the middle of the winter, and they had an easy goal.
And the guy in charge of the camp decided that it was time to move the camp because it's all about working together and doing what you're told.
So anyways, he said, it was 2 o'clock in the afternoon, and he said, beautiful day, it was just above zero.
Okay, we're moving the camp.
And I guess the rest of the people didn't want to do it.
And they got together and they came back to the guy in charge who's a Sergeant Major, retired from the Canadian Forces, the old British Sergeant Major.
And they said, this is the way it works.
Not speaking for NASA, but as a group.
We're on the shuttle.
If we want to do something, we get together.
We have a discussion.
And if we decide that we're not going to do it as a group, we make a decision, and that's the way it works.
So we're not moving camp.
So he just let it ride, and he waited until 2 o'clock that morning.
Not only that, but I'm an ex-Air Force medic, so I really know what it is.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
Big time.
So 2 o'clock in the morning at minus 25 to move to camp.
The repercussions of that big time, hit Texas.
And the head of NASA training for the astronauts flew up the next day, read the RIDAC to the guys, and said, listen, if you're told to do something, you will do it.
And since that, things are really on track now, and they've got another course coming down.
Well, listen, I've got to go because we're at a break point here.
I appreciate it.
And particularly, your description of the zero day is beautiful.
unidentified
We gotta get right back to where we started from Love is good, love will be strong We gotta get right back to where we started from Wonder what they do on the radio up there in the morning, you know?
Welcome to the day, they say on their morning shows.
Question mark.
unidentified
This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
on this somewhere in time Take my back on your baby.
Oh, my head's coming up.
We gotta get right back to where we started wrong Love is good, love can be strong We gotta get right back to where we started wrong Oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh My heart can never fade away in the winds of bird.
Midnight at the oasis.
Send your camel to bed.
Shadows painting our faces.
Traces of romance in our head.
Heavens holding our hands.
Shining just for us.
Let's slip off through a sandwich real soon.
Kick up a little dove.
Hold on.
Cactus is our friend.
He wanted everywhere.
Hold on.
Pilly evening.
Pilly evening.
You don't have to answer.
There's no need to speak.
I'll be your belly dancer.
Press up.
And you can be my sheep.
You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 17th of February 2000.
And if you'll go to my website, the story that I read you earlier is available For your perusal.
We've got a link up right now, and if Keith would be kind enough, because of the importance of this, to please put a link in the latest news so you see it right away when you go on the webpage, you know what I mean, right, Keith?
The headline reads: Here comes the sun.
This is space science news for February 18th, 2000.
In other words, a few hours ago, and it's called Here Comes the Sun.
A full halo coronal mass ejection left the sun yesterday, apparently headed directly for Earth.
When the leading edge of the disturbance reaches our planet on February 19th or 20th, it could trigger aurora and other geomagnetic activity.
And we're going to take you to the full story.
Now, there are other associated problems with such a big blast from the sun, which could include disruption, obviously, of telecommunications.
It could even, in a very severe form, knock out satellites and do all kinds of things.
So if you'll check my website, post-haste, I'm sure you'll find the full story, which begins, as I just suggested, here comes the sun.
unidentified
The You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 17th of February, 2000.
Well, and he thinks of himself as a bit of an armchair, I guess, psychiatrist or whatever.
Anyways, he said, will you ever try astral projection?
And I go, well, what's that?
How do you do it?
So he described what you do.
You leave your body.
I go, well, okay.
He says, basically, he says you concentrate, you build a television set in your mind, and you fill in the television screen with what you see in front of you.
So one of the questions I was going to ask you was that is that like, okay, like when you did that Paris trip, would you say that's sort of like when you're at when you're at No, between what occurred to me and what you have just described occurred to you, there is no relationship.
Well, yeah, okay, but I mean, just the whole idea about mapping the future, so to speak.
Here's what I would say, that everybody that I have spoken with regarding out-of-body astral travel, whatever you want to call it, says that there is not linear time nor space as we know it within the dimensions that we now live.
So that when you're out of that, seeing the future, seeing time as depicted with this wonderful analogy of the road and what's down the road would be entirely possible.
That's all I can tell you, and that's all I know.
And it was not at all like what happened to me.
And only a Canadian can be laid-back enough to tell a story the way he told it.
And so, you know, I pushed back, and there I was in the back, and then I pushed out, and I was up on top, and then I was on the front near the headlights.
And, you know, sort of matter-of-factly, if you will.
Canadians are so laid-back about things.
Me, I would have totally freaked out.
Completely freaked out if that happened to me.
I never could have described it that way.
Hey.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Oh, good evening.
Let me turn my radio off.
Good.
Getting back to the dream subjects, I've had a life of sensitives around me, and it's been about 45 years of different dreams.
And even I was able to interpret one that saved my ex-husband's life.
Anyway, the gentleman that was talking about tornado dream with no one listening, reoccurring dreams are very important.
They're like the Lord is telling you because you're so busy that sometimes the only way he can get through to you is through your dreams.
You've obviously seen, unless you've had your head in the sand, what's been going on in Georgia and the South in January and February, which never, ever should be.
And our weather is going bonkers.
Now, if somebody in Phoenix is dreaming about tornadoes.
You had a caller the very next day at the top of the hour, unfortunately.
And he was saying that if that did in fact occur, because he never saw the article, he was saying that all those particles that are normally supposed to be flowing out of the sun, if they got trapped in the sun due to some gravitational anomaly, that those particles would be cooking and cooking until some major event would release it.
You know, if you take several GIF photographs, which they've got up there, and you put them in sequence, you can actually see the motion, and you can see this halo blasting away from the sun.
So when you get near your computer, you've got to see this one.
unidentified
And I'll tell you, too, and watch the events now the next couple days, because remember when there was that big, huge spike in our magnetic field, I think, days ago.
And you'll see, all of a sudden, there'll be either a run of six-point earthquakes or more, or you'll see the last solar storm we had, then there were the tornadoes in Georgia.
And it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out the connection here.
I have thought for years and years and years I've been connecting solar activities with earthquakes.
That's my own little pet thing that I've been following for years.
unidentified
Yeah, you and me both, because of the fact that, just through the common sense, if you're taking on this type of energy, where is that energy going to go?
There are so many details that checking this out, I mean really checking it out, if necessary, getting on a plane and going to check it out, would be something I could do.
Now, I haven't decided it's something I'm going to do.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
Well, I would just follow, you know, your feeling about it, your intuition.
And if it feels like something you think you should do, it may be happening for a person here.
When the government comes back and they have to lay all this evidence on the table of the search they did in the emails and all the stuff the judge wants, what do you think they'll have in their hot little palms?
unidentified
I think maybe just, oh, there had to have been thousands and thousands and thousands of people that see these things.
And if it's our military crap, then obviously we got the power to go to the stores because I saw that thing take off.