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Feb. 2, 2000 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Kathleen Keating - The Final Warning

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	Music From the high desert and the great American southwest, I
	bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours,
	stretching commercially from the Chahesian and Hawaiian islands in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, south into
	South America and north all the way to the pole.
	This is Coast to Coast AM and Beyond, because we're worldwide on the internet.
	Good morning, I'm Art Mellon.
	I've got breaking news for you in this first hour or so.
	Snap to attention, please.
	This is a good one.
	Listen, here's the press release.
	Judge gives UFO group its day in court.
	In a stunning and surprising defeat for the government and its proponents of secrecy, a U.S.
	District Court judge in Phoenix, Arizona rebuked a Department of Defense attempt to deny a group of UFO activists the opportunity to argue its case in court.
	In the federal lawsuit, Citizens Against UFO Secrecy Cause versus the Department of Defense of Judge Stephen M, it would be M-C-N-A-M-E-E, at me, or something, ignoring the government's plea to dismiss the case outright, set February 7th at 10 a.m.
	for arguments on the adequacy of the government's search for information about an unusual aerial object.
	Specifically triangular in shape, because I saw it.
	Though cause, which had brought the lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act in 1999, submitted numerous affidavits, one of those would have been mine, from witnesses who had observed the aerial object, the Department of Defense continues to maintain there could find no information confirming the existence of the object.
	The aerial object seen at tree-top level by many of the eyewitnesses is described in court papers as the size of a football field, triangular in shape, with the ability to hover, and is virtually soundless.
	The hearing is open to the public, and after finally batting his head against brick walls for years now, One of the bricks just came loose.
	Here's Peter Gersten.
	Peter?
	Good evening, Arthur.
	It's a great evening tonight.
	Oh, congratulations!
	Finally!
	Thank you, my friend.
	It's a certainty after 20-year absence, cause is finally back in federal court.
	So, in other words, the judge, which you probably expected to just throw the whole thing out summarily, instead has said, uh-uh, let's hear some arguments.
	So that means what?
	It means you get to go into court and present the affidavits that you have?
	Well, I go into court on Monday and argue that the Department of Defense's search was not reasonable.
	That a reasonable search would have found the documents that we're after.
	And as part of my arguments, I will Once again, I put forth the affidavits that were submitted as part of my opposition to the motion.
	Hopefully, in court will be many of those witnesses that have seen the triangular object, at least the Phoenix Lights in 1997.
	Do you have some that are fairly local, Peter?
	Some people, you mean?
	Yes.
	Definitely.
	I should have at least a couple dozen people there that have seen the object in 1997.
	Ah, yes.
	What do you think?
	I mean, all of a sudden your foot, in a way, is in the door.
	The door that has been slammed in your face so many times.
	It's great.
	I've been asking for a day in court for at least 20 years, and now I have a day in court.
	I'm hoping that we have a sympathetic judge.
	I'm hoping that Judge McNamee possibly has some questions of his own for the Department of Defense.
	Incredible.
	Just incredible.
	I wonder, did you happen to catch the reaction Of the other side, or were they not physically there when the judge ruled that he wanted to hear the arguments?
	No, they submitted their request in written papers, stating as the same U.S.
	attorney did in the Army lawsuit, which was dismissed summarily, without argument.
	They said, listen, there's no basis for argument, the facts are clear.
	On its face, read the papers and dismiss it.
	Do not give them the opportunity to argue this in court.
	So they're going to have to have somebody to argue in court come Monday, aren't they?
	Yeah, it's the same U.S.
	attorney that was representing the Army.
	And it's the same U.S.
	Attorney in the other lawsuit, the invasion lawsuit.
	So I'm finally going to meet the U.S.
	Attorney.
	So you'll finally meet him.
	All right, now this is open to the general public in Phoenix, yes?
	Yes, I would like as many people there as possible.
	All right, let's get them there then.
	In Phoenix, where and when?
	Well, it's 10 a.m.
	Monday morning and they start promptly, so anybody who wants to attend has to be there, I would say, by 9.30.
	The address Is on the Cause website and they can get there through your website or directly to the Cause website.
	Or if they're listening in Phoenix, what if they just want to look, they don't have a computer, they want to go to the phone book to find out where or whatever?
	Well, you can call me at my number at my office and home, 480-609-9120.
	Give that one more time.
	Give that one more time.
	Wow.
	to 5 p.m.
	Arizona time.
	All right.
	And you'd like to have people show up, obviously, to view this, to show interest, to impress the court with the fact that a lot of people are interested, huh?
	I want to pack the courthouse.
	Let's pack the courthouse, huh?
	Right.
	All right.
	Done deal.
	And you'll be back here... Tuesday evening.
	Tuesday to report to us what happened.
	You got it.
	Congratulations, Peter.
	Thank you, my friend.
	And don't forget mine.
	Mayaf David.
	Have it right there.
	I'm going to put your name in the record.
	Thanks, Peter.
	I think.
	I think.
	See you later.
	That causes Peter Gersten, folks.
	So, there you are.
	He's going to be in court Monday morning.
	Finally, a judge who will listen.
	Hooray!
	An actual giant step forward.
	In a moment, Peter Davenport.
	More breaking news.
	All right, we have to cover a lot in a short time, and a lot of it's very important.
	The announcement you just heard from Peter Gersten, again congratulating him.
	He'll be in court Monday morning.
	And finally, we'll get to... This is no trivial matter, folks.
	What I saw clearly indicates that either we have anti-gravity technology, or these are craft from elsewhere.
	Either way, it's a gigantic story.
	And some of it, or at least the plea for it to be heard, is going to unfold in court on Monday morning.
	Certainly a non-trivial announcement.
	And now, from one of the places that monitors reports of this kind of thing, we've got Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
	That's that place.
	And Peter is a well-known personality on the program, but just in case you don't know who he is, that's what he does.
	Peter, welcome to the show.
	Back to the show.
	Thank you, as always.
	Fantastic news coming from Peter Gersten tonight.
	Yes.
	I was listening to the program before I just came on here, and he's really to be congratulated.
	He's been pursuing that for years and decades, as he said.
	And as he was speaking, and you were talking with him, it occurred to me that We ufologists really have only three conduits to the proof of UFOs with regard to the government's position with them, or with regard to the government's position on the subject.
	It occurs to me that the American public can always help us by feeding us reports and citing information and so on and so forth, but that's really not going to break down the walls of government.
	The other conduit we have is high elected officials, and I think in this case we're probably talking about the President of the United States.
	Nobody else seems to know anything about it, or at least they profess that.
	Well, we're working on those who would be President.
	Yes, and we may be talking about that later in the program if we have time.
	I think that's a fertile ground for discussion, and a lot of people have proposed, and I think rightfully so, that This is the year that we should bring pressure to bear on some of these candidates, many of whom, of course, are coming from states where there have been dramatic UFO sightings.
	Texas, of course, Arizona, and so on.
	But the third conduit we have, and Peter is to be congratulated on pursuing this one so aggressively, and that is the courts.
	The courts that can perform magic If they wish to, on the basis of good, solid evidence, clearly Peter has done that.
	And maybe judges who aren't afraid of the federal government.
	Yeah.
	I would hope there would be very few of them, but I hope that the courts are as independent from the political process as we like to think is the case.
	Well, this is a good first indication.
	You never know, we might have one here.
	Yeah.
	This could turn out to be The sort of the linchpin of modern-day ufology that starts the government reeling in, if not defeat, at least reeling in search of some adequate way to share the UFO phenomenon with the American people.
	Peter's really done a fantastic job.
	He deserves everyone's support.
	And those people who may have seen the triangles over Phoenix or Arizona generally on the 13th of March 1997, I hope they're down at that courtroom.
	There are dozens of names I could cite, but I know there are a lot of people there who saw those things and could give a lot of support to Peter's effort.
	Well, I know it's there.
	I saw it myself.
	My wife saw it.
	We both signed affidavits and sent them to Peter.
	Anyway, so that's Monday, and yes indeed, he deserves great congratulations.
	In the meantime, There's something going on on the ice somewhere, isn't there?
	There are so many things going on, Art, I don't know how I'm going to be able to compress them even in summary fashion during this program.
	All right, let's begin with the ice.
	This one's pretty cool.
	Yeah, last week we were talking about Bigfoot.
	Really not my specialty, not my bailiwick at all.
	Monday morning, another incident.
	This is in central Missouri, Marceline, Missouri.
	That's north-northwest of Columbia.
	It's due west of Hannibal, Missouri, which is on the Mississippi River.
	Monday morning, the gentleman woke up early in the morning, I think 5.30, 6 o'clock in the morning, and he looked out on his 1 to 2 acre pond on his property, and he was riveted, apparently, by what he saw in the surface ice of the pond.
	The pond had about 2 to 4 inches of surface ice on it.
	What he saw from his picture window in Marceline, Missouri was, first of all, and almost unnoteworthy, was a large hole in the ice.
	He estimated about 16 or 18 inches in diameter.
	A hole in the ice?
	A hole in the ice.
	How thick is the ice there?
	He estimated, depending on the location on the pond, 2 to 4 inches roughly.
	Okay, that's good hard ice.
	Good hard ice.
	Thick enough to leave an indelible, lasting image of whatever happened to that pond, presumably Sunday night or Monday morning.
	So he sees a hole?
	He sees a hole, but what is more interesting than that, Art, is he could see, even though there was a light coating of snow on the ice, he could see major cracks Radiating out from this hole an estimated 12 to 15 feet.
	Like a rock that hits your windshield.
	Exactly.
	And that was my first presumption when I heard this story.
	We actually got a call from the FAA on this matter which was our first contact.
	But even more interesting than that hole in the ice or the major cracks radiating out from it was a very pronounced ring.
	Ring that surrounded the hole in the ice at a distance of about 30 or 35 feet in radius and it was perfectly circular what had happened apparently is not only had the ice melted during the preceding night or early in the morning but it had actually melted the snow that was covering the ice leaving a very pronounced ring just like a racetrack in the ice and in the snow
	They, to their great credit, they kept people away from the ice.
	Nobody was allowed to walk out on it to preserve the data.
	One of the people that I was hoping to have on tonight with us to describe the scene was the fire chief of that town.
	He was not able to do it in the final analysis.
	But we will get photographs up to your website in the... Who got photographs?
	A number of people got photographs.
	Of course, the property owner, very astute gentleman, quickly grabbed his camera and as soon as there was enough daylight he got very good photos of it, I'm told.
	I haven't seen them yet.
	Alright, why is this not the classic meteor?
	Yeah, good question.
	You know, you see a hole in the ice and you assume that something's fallen off an airplane, somebody's thrown a rock on the ice, as kids always do, I did when I was a kid.
	Or a meteor.
	Or a meteor.
	There are very few other things, perhaps a bolt of lightning, but everybody assumed there that this had been a meteorite that had struck the ice.
	There are all sorts of things that militate against that.
	Like what?
	They presumed that the meteorite had burrowed through the ice, or had melted its way through, and then the residual heat from this hot rock had melted a ring of... It's all sort of, sort of absurd.
	In point of fact, what many of them, perhaps all of them, did not realize is that almost invariably, a fragment from a meteorite is not hot, it is cold.
	In fact, it is very cold, because the ambient background temperature of the universe of the space around the planet Earth is about four degrees above absolute zero.
	Right, but wouldn't it, people think it would heat coming through the atmosphere.
	Indeed it does and that's what leads most people to assume that a fragment of meteorite will be extremely hot.
	An analogy I would use however to illustrate this point is for example Apollo 13 or in point of fact any capsule coming back from space You know, they have heat shields that burn away, they evaporate.
	The process is called ablation, of course.
	Yes.
	And anybody who's seen a film, Apollo 13, knows that those capsules come back in an envelope of flame and ionization, but of course the contents are safely insulated, thermally insulated from that heat shield.
	In point of fact, if this was a meteor, it could not have melted the ice around that ring It probably more likely would have frozen water around it and perhaps even floated to the surface.
	I have no idea, no personal experience with what happens to a cold meteorite when it hits water.
	But whatever caused this is extremely strange and it is reminiscent of a similar event that occurred I think in the Charles River near Boston.
	I'm going on memory now, I think it was about six or eight years ago In fact, it made the cover of the Mufon Journal.
	It was the feature article.
	People found a very peculiar, perfectly symmetrical, perfectly round, melted ring that had refrozen in the Charles River.
	This is very reminiscent of that art, and a lot of people are working on it.
	The local newspaper there in Marceline, Missouri, has done an article We'll get that article to you.
	You can get it up to your website.
	So we're going to get the article on and we're going to get the photographs as well.
	If this had come down in a wheat field, what would we be talking about tonight?
	God only knows, but I presume that this may be, and I emphasize may be, The ice equivalent of a crop circle or crop formation.
	Yeah, that's where I was going with that.
	In other words, it produced a perfect circle around the point of impact and the hole that created.
	Yes, and it is analogous.
	Is anybody going to go diving down to see if they can find what it is?
	You know, I don't know.
	Nobody's addressed that, but they have marked the hole very accurately.
	There's been a warming trend in Missouri, and the ring may have disappeared or is in the process of.
	Oh, we've got to get down there and look.
	Absolutely.
	Not me, though.
	Not me.
	All right, hold on, Peter.
	Peter Davenport.
	And something's under that ice, obviously.
	What would leave that ring that he talked about?
	That part just doesn't make any sense at all.
	None.
	Well, interesting evening already, wouldn't you say?
	I would.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	This is a group ABBA that you know I love.
	There is news about ABBA tonight.
	You know, they just turned down one billion dollars.
	One billion dollars to get together and have a world tour.
	And I congratulate them.
	You know why?
	Because they're never, ever going to be this good.
	And maybe they, maybe, just maybe they want to be remembered as this good.
	They were absolutely one of the best, so ABBA turning down $1 billion to get together.
	Proving, I guess, that money ain't everything.
	Not all the time, and not for everybody.
	about that about away for those of you wanting in the press uh...
	wanting to contact you to person i know is going to be a lot of press activity
	about this I use that same number, but between 9 and 5, please.
	That same phone number to get a hold of Peter Gersten.
	in 480-480-609-9120 during business hours please.
	480-480-609-9120.
	So we're just breaking the ice all over the place.
	Sorry for the pun, but that's it.
	Peter Gersten with his foot through the door in the courtroom against the feds, versus the feds, and now Peter Davenport with the ice in Missouri.
	Well, we don't know.
	That's just it.
	We don't know.
	We don't know what happened.
	There's more.
	I got a report and I said I should fax this to you and you already knew about it.
	You were a step ahead of me.
	But it looked like an important report to me.
	Something about a triangle and a couple little girls.
	You know anything about that?
	Yeah.
	Up in Canada.
	And in fact they made the news up there.
	Apparently a somewhat serious minded Program or coverage news coverage of these I think it was two young girls.
	Yes, they've been outside and saw something It triangle with some very peculiar lights on it somewhat reminiscent of the triangle that was seen by the police officers that we reported on and On the 6th of January, I know some of our listeners will probably recall.
	It says here, quote, triangle with lights on all three corners made no sound.
	Sounds just like what I saw.
	I've seen one too.
	I probably haven't ever mentioned that on this program, but August of 92, I was sitting on a deck up in Seattle looking at a relatively clear sky with puffy clouds and I said, I was looking to the northeast, Saw an object coming through the clouds.
	I am an inveterate airplane watcher.
	I've been addicted to aviation since conception, I think, with fighter pilots on one side of my family and airline executives on the other.
	I was condemned at conception.
	But this thing was coming at me, and I said, oh, an aircraft coming out of the clouds.
	It wasn't an aircraft, Art.
	It was a triangle, and it had I can't honestly say lights because I don't recall that they were lights.
	It was a daytime sighting in the early evening of August of 92.
	Color?
	I don't remember any color for some reason.
	Brownish, grayish, no bright colors on it.
	The object came out of the clouds coming directly at me.
	It was coursing generally to the southwest.
	Sound?
	No sound.
	It was too far away for anything but a loud engine to have some kind of sonic signature from that distance.
	This is what I saw.
	Relative speed?
	Relatively slow.
	Certainly, its angular velocity is really all we can discuss, but its angular velocity was considerably less than the angular velocity of an airliner at that altitude setting up for landing southbound at Sea-Tac Airport.
	Damn, Peter, you never said anything about this before.
	You know, you should be signing an affidavit like I did and having it notarized.
	You know, we have so many hundreds of triangles on our website.
	I'll be signing affidavits until long after the trial.
	Peter, I hope Peter will consider going to our website Clicking on our database, clicking on triangles, chevrons, and so on, and printing out the list of hundreds.
	I think we have about three or four or five hundred reports just of triangles on our website.
	But that is what I saw, and I, like you, have seen the phenomenon with my own eyes.
	It makes me wonder what the relationship between the few sightings I've had is and my, I guess, I have a preoccupation with the subject of ufology.
	I am intellectually trapped.
	I am addicted to this subject.
	I know that.
	But, going back to the ice circle for a moment, if I may, as we broke at the bottom of the hour, you mentioned, you invited the question, rhetorically, I know, who's going diving after that object?
	That's right.
	You know, it's somewhat reminiscent of that classic, classic UFO film from the early 50's, I think 51.
	I was raised on it.
	You probably remember it well.
	Entitled, The Thing.
	I have seen The Thing so many times.
	I like the latter version of The Thing.
	They really did a very, very good job.
	Oh, I haven't seen that.
	Oh, you haven't seen the new version of it?
	No, I haven't.
	Oh, it's superb.
	Absolutely superb.
	Go rent it.
	I will make a point of it.
	You bet I will.
	Okay.
	But, you know, there's a little story about that film that I've heard.
	I'm unable to confirm it.
	John Wayne, it is my understanding from this semi-rumor, I guess I have to label it, John Wayne was invited to play that role of the vegetable, let's call it the zucchini sickle.
	And apparently he declined it.
	But he did make a recommendation for another actor in the role.
	It was a gentleman whom I believe he had met in Alaska.
	With whom he had gone fishing.
	He was his fishing guide, I believe.
	Again, I can't confirm this.
	Up in Alaska.
	And his name, little known name at the time, was that of James Arness, who of course played the role of Matt Dillon in the television program that Hollywood has yet to improve on, in my opinion.
	But they apparently, John Wayne and James Arness, I believe, according to this story I've heard, He used to talk about UFOs up in Alaska and apparently
	James Arness may have seen one or more up there.
	John Wayne invited him, recommended him as the actor.
	I don't know whether James Arness had done any acting to that point, but that was close
	to the beginning of his very, very successful acting.
	Well, for those who didn't see the thing, that's exactly what they had.
	They had this big ring in the ice, and they began to dig down, and I don't want to ruin the movie for anybody who hasn't seen it, but that was a big ring in the ice, and you could see the scientists all standing around it, and it went from there.
	Okay, Peter, a lot to get in.
	What else have you in your basket?
	Well, what I would like to do, I see our time is running out here very quickly.
	I know.
	I was listening to the program a couple nights ago, I think it was, and you mentioned that you have a new affiliate up in Fresno, California.
	KMJ in Fresno, yes.
	KMJ.
	You know, that brought to mind an incident that we had reported to us just about, oh, 10 or 12 days ago.
	This was a very, very bizarre sighting over northeastern Fresno, California.
	About 9.30 p.m.
	on Friday night, I guess it was the 21st of January this year, a woman went out to have a last smoke for the evening.
	She is a medical professional, a no-nonsense woman, and she looked up to the north and saw two intensely bright lights apparently pointed at her from the north and moving towards her.
	She assumed it was an airliner with its landing lights on, setting up for landing in Fresno.
	But it turned out to be something different.
	Quite different.
	And it turned out to be below the clouds.
	What I would like to do is allow this woman on this audio cut to describe in her own words what she saw.
	It's about a 70 second cut.
	Go for it.
	Here we go.
	I am in Fresno, California.
	Northeast Fresno.
	Okay.
	And I was looking north out my backyard.
	As I looked up I saw two spotlights in a row coming towards me.
	I thought it was a CHP helicopter but I thought why would there be two lights instead of one?
	It wasn't shining down.
	It was shining straight in the sky.
	As I watched it I thought I better watch this a little more because it's really strange.
	It was flying very low.
	It was flying low enough to where I could make out exactly the shape of it and what
	it looked like.
	I couldn't tell you the color but I can tell you it was very clear.
	It was clearly a saucer.
	It was round like a saucer.
	I didn't see anything on top of it.
	I only saw the bottom as it flew over.
	As it flew over my house, the two spotlights turned off.
	There was a ring of red lights, little tiny red lights, underneath it that blinked.
	Around in a circle.
	It flew very slowly, and I could have taken a picture if I had a camera, but I didn't.
	I watched it going south, I believe, and I watched it until it was out of sight, until I could no longer see it.
	That's what happened.
	Well, there's a classic report if I ever heard one.
	I mean, straight out saucer UFO description.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The interesting thing is a disc-shaped to the object.
	You know, there have been some disc-shaped aircraft manufactured in the past, the Flying Flapjack and I guess a couple others, but they are not very aerodynamically efficient is my understanding.
	It is terribly difficult for me to imagine that there would be a perfectly circular aircraft in Fresno airspace.
	But moreover, she describes flying at relatively slow speeds.
	They would have to be going pretty fast to keep themselves in the air, and I just can't imagine that there would be any kind of experimental circular craft like this flying at night over Fresno on that Friday night.
	I may be proven wrong, but it was a very unusual sighting.
	I invited her to quickly call the FAA flight service station in Fresno, which she did.
	Yes.
	What we were interested in knowing is what the ceiling was, how high the bottoms of the clouds were.
	The FAA, the flight service station there, reported between 4,400 and 6,000.
	And so this object, which was below the clouds, was less than a mile above the ground level.
	And it was a very, very peculiar object.
	No other reports.
	Only one report.
	But this woman sounds like an excellent source to me.
	That's what I thought as I listened.
	And peculiarly, we had a somewhat reminiscent report Similar to this, that comes from Seattle just tonight.
	Actually, after you and I had set up this appearance, my appearance tonight, I got several calls from people who live very close to the University of Washington in the Sand Point area of Seattle.
	This is only about eight, at most, ten miles to the northeast, roughly, of downtown Seattle.
	And people reported something truly bizarre.
	I have no reason to believe at this time that it was UFO-related in the least, but I report it because we would like to know more from anyone in the Seattle area who might have seen it.
	Two cigar-shaped objects, some people said they had wings, other people said clearly no wings, that went very, very low to the ground.
	Let me just play, if I may, a short one-minute cut of what was reported to us tonight, the 2nd of February.
	I was in my living room and heard such a huge roaring noise, not a thumping but a very huge roaring noise, so loud that I stepped out onto my deck at which point I saw two craft Flying south, south, east.
	My deck also faces south, south, east.
	These two craft were flying so low and so close together and they were both identical looking.
	Cigar shaped with white flashing lights at the tip of the cigar shape, both tips, both ends of the cigar shape.
	Four or five lights in the center, also white but not flashing.
	And above the center of each craft, there are red flashing lights above the center of each craft.
	That's what was reported.
	Brother, another really credible reporter!
	Not only is she credible, I've known this young woman for 25 years.
	Personal friend?
	Personal friend.
	She is as solid a person as you can imagine.
	We don't know what those objects were.
	It may very well have been some kind of aircraft.
	I, at first, after the first call, assumed that they were helicopters.
	Sandpoint has some Coast Guard helicopters based there, and I presumed that that was what she was looking at, but she said, no, she didn't think so.
	Then we started getting other calls, and people said, no way were those helicopters.
	What, if they're aircraft art, what are they doing?
	And these, all of these people.
	Emphasize just how closely positioned these two objects were and how bizarre they were in appearance.
	What are two aircraft doing at apparently extremely low altitude, flying slowly in very close proximity, almost frighteningly close, one person described them as, flying over a populated, densely populated area of Seattle, Washington.
	Unless there's an emergency of some kind, military aircraft don't do that over Civilians, they don't do it.
	Perhaps in wartime, perhaps during an emergency, as you say, but I have no idea what this formation was caused by.
	Where I live, Peter, they occasionally do that at very low altitude, but you know, that's what we're here for in Nevada.
	We have very open territory, and you watch them in parts of the valley that are uninhabited, they'll just go screaming across.
	But otherwise, certainly not in a densely populated area like Seattle, no way.
	Look, we're woefully out of time.
	We didn't get it all in.
	You and I, by the way, should do a whole show.
	We ought to do that one.
	I've got so many things I'd like to talk about.
	They go off the bottom of the page.
	How about next week?
	Next week sounds good to me, Art.
	Really?
	All right.
	Done deal.
	I'll call you with the details.
	Meanwhile, UFOs are going to court, folks, Monday with Peter Gersten.
	You really ought to be on top of that one.
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	Seattle, Washington.
	Zip code 9812.
	4 or 5.
	And there is a hotline if something's going on right now, you know, for current reports.
	It's area code 206.
	722-3000.
	24 hours a day.
	That's 206-722-3000.
	Please don't call unless you've got something going on right now.
	And there's also a website.
	What is it, Peter?
	The website is www.ufocenter.com.
	That's nine letters, one word.
	U-F-O-C-E-N-T-E-R.com.
	Peter, thank you.
	Thank you, Art.
	Always a pleasure.
	Take care.
	All right, so there's a lot going on, folks, in the court with Peter Gersten on Monday and something through the ice in Missouri and so much more.
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	District Judge in Phoenix, Arizona rebuked a Department of Defense attempt to deny a group of UFO activists the opportunity to argue its case in court.
	And so it's going to be argued.
	It causes Peter Gersten, folks.
	He's going to court.
	The judge is going to listen.
	It's a gigantic crack in the wall.
	He's going to hear arguments.
	Alright, coming up in a moment, um, boy have I got something for you.
	Her name is Kathleen Keating.
	She was a friend of the late Father Malachi Martin.
	And this is one I guarantee you're not going to want to miss.
	coming up next.
	Well, Lorraine, I think most of the people on this program remember fondly
	Father Malachi Martin.
	I was very close to him.
	We did many, many interviews together.
	A long, intricate, involved interviews.
	And I talked to Father Martin on a number of occasions privately.
	And he did, I've had about a million faxes about this, he did give me some information.
	uh... that he asked not be given out and uh... so i have not but i i i was privy to some conversation with father martin off the air that was pretty interesting makes you angry huh?
	I should have blurted it out but i promised not to tell it's just that simple now comes Kathleen Keating, who is an investigative journalist, a former radio talk show personality herself, who's been working on a chilling story for the past seven years.
	She was also a friend of Father Malachi Martin, who was the technical advisor on two of her works called Torn Sky and The Final Warning.
	Kathleen is the published author of a suspense novel, Noise Of the Morning, that's with a U in there, which is based on a true government conspiracy.
	The book is now under development with a production company.
	Torn Sky is now under development as a major motion picture.
	The world, she says, is not prepared for this movie, but it is a story that must be told.
	Being released this spring is Kathleen's book, The Final Warning.
	Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium.
	The final warning, she says, is our last chance.
	The book details how politics, prophecy, and people collide with some sort of cataclysm that is just moments away.
	The countdown, she says, has begun.
	Here is Kathleen Keating.
	Kathleen, welcome to the program.
	Well, thanks Art.
	You've had quite a night already, haven't you?
	Already, yes.
	Here we've got Peter Gersten going into court on a breakthrough that nobody was ready for.
	That's right.
	We've had sightings that are just detailed by obviously credible, good witnesses.
	Yeah, quite a morning, I'd say.
	You know, I was thinking when I was hearing all that news of what Father Malachi would have thought about this, because I do believe he talked to you about those lights over Phoenix.
	When it occurred.
	Yes.
	And I know he held his breath with that because he figured that we were headed for some real rough times if what he thought they were really were.
	If you know what I mean.
	And I think you're going to see that.
	You mentioned a crack in the wall.
	My research has shown that you're going to see the whole wall come tumbling down.
	Really?
	Yeah, I really think so.
	Now, when did you meet Father Martin and under what circumstances did you know him?
	I met him a few years ago regarding some of these projects that I've been working on.
	My former partner and dearest friend John Dorey and I co-hosted a show.
	We were subbing for Derry Brownfield and were privileged enough to have Father Martin on.
	And, boy, there's a guest come true, isn't it?
	The boards light up with that guy.
	Oh, yes, indeed.
	Yes, indeed.
	As a matter of fact, we never got to the phones frequently enough just because there was so much to talk about with Father Martin.
	That's true, and he had such, I don't know, a plethora of information that everybody needed to know.
	But, as you know, in your private conversations, I'm sure, you can't release that stuff.
	It's just so heavy.
	He didn't like to alarm people and some of those things that he and I discussed are certainly beyond alarming.
	I think it's facing humanity now and I think that we're at the point probably because of Father Martin's death we need to get this out.
	He was a major source for this and I think it's time that With the UFOs and whatever they are and whoever is flying them and so forth and whatever the government is doing with the tie-in there.
	We need to get it out.
	People have the right to know.
	I guess I can say this much.
	I was approached with some information that I took to Father Martin and his answer to me was, you fool with that art and you're going to get killed and you're going to get me killed too.
	Right.
	I remember that.
	I sort of knew something of it, but we kept things kind of confidential regarding that.
	But it's deadly.
	Anyway, look, you've got all kinds of intriguing books and movies underway.
	What is the final warning, and what is it all about?
	Well, I could start with accidents that aren't really accidents that have been happening.
	I have a moment here.
	I'd like to preface what I'm going to say before I answer the question.
	Father Martin detailed a lot of this stuff in his books and, of course, on your show, Art, and the things that he saw for us in the future.
	Because of that, we were privy to some information that we would not normally know.
	This stuff really affects each one of us to the point that nothing is going to be the same very shortly for any of us, no matter what we do.
	Sure.
	And I guess because people need to know, and certainly because of Father's death, it's time to let some of the details out of what is going to happen on the next level.
	And what I mean by that is this is the time that some of those facts should be released.
	Specifics that we're going to experience and why we can't escape what's coming.
	Do you think Really thinking about this before you go into any detail, do you really think this is wise to do?
	I really tossed that around.
	I animated to you some experiences that I've had briefly.
	We never got a chance to get into them yet.
	I've really prayed about it and talked about it to a lot of advisors.
	I don't know.
	It's a good question.
	It is.
	It's a really good question.
	You know, if you present people with information that seems there's no holes in it, it's going to happen.
	Well, let me ask you a question, Art.
	Prophecy, as it is, is kind of a nebulous thing.
	It is.
	You never know if anything's going to come true until it actually does.
	But if you were a prophet, a modern day visionary, and you had a track record, First of all, God doesn't let anybody know.
	He wants people to know what He's going to do ahead of time.
	So if we do know that through His prophets, I think we ought to say something.
	I think we're at the point, and I just got a message yesterday, that was very clear that God is really ticked off.
	So that people understand where you're coming from, Kathleen, and I do too, what is your religious background?
	I was raised a Roman Catholic.
	I heard about prophecy in school, but I was never really... You know, it was something off in the distant future.
	It wasn't something that was going to affect me.
	Are you a housewife?
	Are you a career person?
	I do this investigating and writing full time.
	Full time?
	Full time.
	And you've been doing that for how long?
	Oh, you know, about ten years in this particular area.
	Ten years?
	Yeah.
	Long enough to know that...
	Maybe I shouldn't have gotten into it, but I can't let go of it now.
	There's just too much there.
	Alright, well the final warning is obviously just a dire title all by itself.
	So, politics, prophecy, Everything that's presently going on in the world, I guess we could roll over a million things of the environment and what politically, what we think is about to happen and lots of other things in our social condition.
	We discussed all those things with Father Malachi Martin.
	Right.
	The state of possession of people, we talked a great deal about that with Father Martin.
	He talked of the perfectly possessed, all kinds of interesting stuff.
	What's the final warning, Kathleen?
	It's a lot of things rolled up into one.
	It's a convergence of several different points that is going to alter our lives forever.
	Absolutely.
	It's really hard to put into a nutshell.
	I think the best way to say it about part of the book and the basic thrust of it is in some of the latest prophecies God's made it clear either we come back to him either out of fear Or love, but we better get back to him because we're running out of time.
	Things that are going on here on Earth, we're not handling it very well.
	Kids are killing kids.
	Drugs are rampant.
	And there's an undertone, an undercurrent to all that's going on.
	Things are being manipulated.
	As you know well with the weather, it's strange.
	The weather's changing.
	It's changing.
	You know, that's not a point to be argued anymore.
	As far as I'm concerned, the threshold of the obvious has been passed on that one.
	I think everybody knows we're in the middle of a climate change of some sort.
	We are.
	And I think we're in for a political change as well.
	I think that the powers that be are really coming together.
	I think we're seeing things.
	We can feel things changing.
	We can just see the signs.
	That something is not normal.
	I don't know if you've noticed that sunlight doesn't look the same.
	Have you noticed that?
	I mean, the light is different.
	Yes, I have noticed that.
	Now, nobody is supposed to look at the sun.
	Right.
	But what I noticed and what a million people who have faxed me have said is, Art, the sun is whiter.
	There's not as much of a yellow component to the sun as there was.
	It's much whiter.
	I know that sounds dumb, but a gazillion people have noticed this, so... That's right, and it's a strange occurrence, and I think we're seeing more solar flares and things like that, and just anomalies all over the place.
	Right, but we're at a cyclical high with regard to what the sun is doing right now, but it has been driving some of the...
	Monitoring straight off the charts.
	It's been doing a few really, really weird things lately.
	The solar winds actually stopped for a day.
	Something they've never seen.
	The magnetometer readings the other day were flat off the chart.
	Unbelievable.
	It's doing some backflips, no question.
	But we are at a solar maximum.
	Well, it's strange whatever it is.
	I think that you can see that With the light changing and with time, I don't know if you've noticed, but time seems to be speeding up.
	I've noticed.
	And the prophets, the modern day prophets, are referring to our time that's left, like the end of the tape on a roll of scotch tape.
	The closer you get to the end of the tape, the faster the roll goes.
	That's right.
	And there's a reason for this, and apparently God has sped things up, according to some of the prophets.
	I have a calculation in my book which is really too complex to get into here, but we actually are losing time.
	So many minutes per month.
	By the end of the year we've just lost it all.
	Tasks that you thought you could do in a normal amount of time are taking you twice as long to do.
	So then we could think of time Accelerating while we're moving at about the same pace and we're getting less done.
	Right.
	With an apparent reference to that speed of time.
	Right.
	And you're seeing also that sometimes your days seem interminably slow.
	So it's kind of a dichotomy.
	But things are moving and there's definitely a hand involved actually too.
	Both, well one on either side of the line.
	And we're being pulled and pushed.
	By forces that we can't see.
	You remain a traditional Catholic?
	I am a Roman Catholic, yes.
	I fell away from the church.
	I think a lot of young people do.
	I came back probably stronger than I've ever been.
	I think cradle Catholics tend to learn by rote and not by feeling.
	It's what the nuns teach you in school.
	So I think until faith becomes a personal experience, it takes a while.
	All right.
	One of the things that Father Martin said publicly that absolutely just blew people away was that Satan was within the walls of the Vatican.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Pope Paul VI said that I think in 1972.
	He had talked about the smoke of Satan had crept through a fissure in the Vatican.
	And I thought when I first found that out that he was talking metaphorically.
	But he was actually talking about flesh and blood.
	And what I've uncovered in those investigations regarding that topic is just phenomenal.
	Just phenomenal.
	The church is going under massive changes.
	I think from what I was told yesterday, we're going to see massive changes throughout the United States in regard to the mass.
	In regard to how we practice the Catholic faith, and it's becoming more Protestantized.
	Actually, they're removing God from the equation.
	How can they do that?
	They've been manipulating, and I'd say the darker forces that are in the Vatican, to whom they were focusing their attention against Pope Paul VI, and that's why he spoke out about it.
	You're seeing a lot of the occult and communism and masons getting into the Vatican for a purpose.
	And I guess I was surprised doing the political side of this research to find out that I knew that we were targets of Russia.
	You know, Canada, United States.
	We were the number one.
	Oh yes.
	But I had no idea that Russia was and has been targeting the Vatican.
	Russia also targets the Vatican?
	Yes.
	They intend to wipe the Vatican off the map.
	But first, they're gutting into the infrastructure of the church, which will in turn end up being a universal church, as Gorbachev has talked about, and as one world religion.
	Which is really an oxymoron.
	Can you ever imagine an atheist professing to have religion?
	Yeah, I've always wondered about that.
	Yeah, it's kind of incredible, but... He is, in fact, a declared atheist, of course.
	Well, he thinks he's pantheistic now.
	He does?
	Yeah.
	He talks to trees.
	I don't know, but... He's turned green.
	Yeah, he is very green, but it's all part of a plot.
	So you're saying they're going to take the Catholic Church and use it as a centerpiece for a conversion To a single world worship, to go with a single world government, no doubt.
	Right, because the Catholic Church is the largest organized religion on the face of the earth.
	Organized.
	Organized.
	And that's the key.
	It is organized.
	It has people in every country, every town on earth, practically.
	It has political power that you can barely imagine.
	Huge political power, a vast sum of money, and a network That Father Martin saw Gorbachev envied to no end.
	And it's true.
	Well, I have seen the church muscle work.
	An example was the observatory down in Arizona.
	And they went whizzing by every single environmental concern, every political roadblock, anything you can imagine.
	That would have stopped them from doing the partnership they wanted to do and getting that observatory where they did.
	They were in a hurry, Art.
	They have a reason to do that.
	A very solid reason to be keeping their eyes on the skies down there.
	And that is?
	They're expecting not only the deadly UFO invasion, quote unquote, but some solar Cataclysm that's going to be thrust upon the earth very soon now.
	But wouldn't the church's position, Kathleen, be that a return of God would not be marked by, oh I don't know, things coming from space, whether they'd be I'm Art Bell, and you're listening to Coast to Coast AM.
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	Maybe there is one who will stop the rain.
	Maybe that's who Kathleen is talking about.
	So, we'll get back to all of this in a moment.
	She was a close confidante of Malachi Martin.
	She's got some books out.
	One being a torn sky, being actually under development as a major motion picture right now, but at the moment we're talking about the final warning, and we'll be right back.
	All right, once again, here is Kathleen.
	Welcome back, Kathleen.
	Thanks, Art.
	All right.
	The Father talked many times about signs that would be seen from the sky.
	Right.
	Is that why the Catholic Church went and got their mountaintop telescope?
	I do think it is.
	I know Pope John Paul II is very interested in what's going on overhead, and I think they are anticipating a comet in the relatively near future.
	A comet?
	A comet, if not two of them.
	Are you referring to something that will be seen in the heavens as a sign or a comet on a collision course with Earth?
	Both.
	Both?
	Both.
	What we're going to see soon, I truly believe, from what prophecy has said, and from what I found out as far as the governments are concerned, we're going to see a comet that's going to appear as though there's another sun in the sky.
	And the problem with this, and this is why the observatory is there in Arizona, is the fact that scientists have underestimated the speed of this comet that's barreling down on us.
	They know it's there, they're not releasing it, but it's headed this way.
	How do you know they know?
	The evidence is there.
	Where?
	I have sources within those scientific communities that have Pretty much told me that, yeah, it's there, but what are you going to do?
	It's out there too far.
	It's not going to hurt us for a long time.
	And you've got the prophets now that are saying, oh yes, it's going to hurt us.
	It's speeding up.
	They're misjudging the speed of the thing.
	It's going to be down in the Bahamas.
	My, my.
	Kathleen, let me ask you a quick question.
	Our phone connection is not bad right now, but we've got a little hum like you're near a computer.
	No, nothing on.
	Maybe a light, something like that?
	Nothing.
	It's just my charming personality.
	I don't know.
	Let me check.
	There shouldn't be anything on.
	Some equipment turned on near the phone.
	Sometimes if you move the phone a foot or two, one way or the other, it'll go away.
	Well, we will try that.
	All right.
	Is there anybody you can refer us to with regard to this object, this comet, that we can follow up on this with?
	I mean, that's a hell of a thing to say.
	It is.
	There are people at the observatories.
	This one particular person wasn't real sure he wanted to go public with this.
	So for the time being, I guess, I can't give you a name.
	I will in the future.
	I'm not saying, to be clear about this, that it's today or tomorrow that it's going to be here.
	But we're told by prophecy it's on the way.
	We're told about an Antichrist.
	That's right.
	The people who believe, as the Bible suggests, things will occur, are expecting the Antichrist.
	Right.
	Do you know anything about the Antichrist?
	I do.
	Unfortunately, I do.
	And I ran across, well, let me start saying this.
	I had an unusual experience.
	And it was unfortunate, but in a way I'm glad it happened.
	I was doing some research into the identity of the Antichrist and had spent probably several months on it and talking to people that were close to a man that over 500 prophets agree is the Antichrist.
	And one morning, my dog woke me up rather strangely, early, early, early in the morning.
	And I stumbled to the back door to let her out.
	And I looked like Bozo the Clown.
	My red hair was sticking up and everything and in the worst pajamas possible.
	And I opened the door and there was this man in the backyard.
	And he was walking back and forth.
	And it was just, you know, I was taken aback because I wasn't expecting to see anybody.
	Not fit for visual consumption at that point.
	My dog went down the stairs and looked at this guy and she froze.
	She's a vicious attack dog, kind of, with the barking.
	She never lets anybody near the house.
	She couldn't bark.
	She froze with one leg up in the air.
	She tried to move.
	You could tell she was trying to move, but she couldn't move.
	This man, it was just bizarre.
	You were behind her?
	I just had opened the door and saw the guy.
	I stepped back behind the inside door because I was embarrassed to be in my pajamas.
	The guy said, Hi.
	He kept walking back and forth with his hands behind his back.
	The guy stuck out.
	We live in ranch country.
	And here's this guy.
	Yeah, we've got to tell people, you're in Nebraska, aren't you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're in Nebraska in ranch country.
	And this guy is in a $3,000 Armani suit with his hair pulled back and just, you know, a good-looking guy.
	And at first it was like, oh crap, there's somebody out there.
	It wasn't Christopher Walken, was it?
	No, no.
	This guy's much too good-looking for that.
	No offense, Christopher.
	But creepy nonetheless.
	And then I realized who it was from a picture that I had seen.
	And to me, right then it was like, holy Mary, mother of God, you know, what did I get myself into this time?
	And I stepped further behind the door and I started to close the door.
	Yes.
	And he stared at me and I thought I was going to die.
	This is your backyard.
	The backyard.
	The backyard.
	Fenced backyard?
	It was a fenced in backyard.
	Fenced in backyard.
	So here's a guy on your property.
	He shouldn't be certainly in the back and over the fence.
	Not dressed like that.
	I mean, that was an anomaly in itself.
	Yeah, I've got you.
	And I, you know, I keep a cross, crucifix, on the doors.
	And I step behind the door, not even thinking that it was there.
	I watched him and he watched me for a minute.
	He walked back and forth.
	He didn't say anything else.
	And then he walked away into thin air.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	And I shut the door.
	Locked it.
	And I don't think I, my knees stopped shaking for two hours after that.
	You saw this person walk into thin air?
	Disappear?
	Just walked into thin air.
	And I thought, you know, hey, it's me.
	I've been working on this subject matter.
	Too long?
	Too long.
	So I contacted Father Martin, and I described what had happened, and I told him what my research had been.
	Yes.
	And I said, I'm afraid it's who I think it is, and I'm not going to give his true identity right now for both our sakes.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Well, his name anyway.
	Thank you.
	And then I ran it by, he said, you know, we talked to another colleague, a mutual friend.
	And she told me, she said, you know who that is, don't you?
	And I said, well, I'm afraid I do.
	And she said, that's the Antichrist.
	And she said, you're not the only one that that's happened to.
	There's a writer in England.
	What did father say?
	Well, he didn't disagree.
	Nothing more than a high.
	Bye.
	No.
	The reason that he didn't say anything else I found out later from this woman who was referring to a writer in England who was writing on the same serious subject matter as I was.
	At this particular venture, the man knocked on her door.
	He was accompanied by a guy dressed in army fatigues.
	They had both gotten out of a Beamer that was parked at her curb.
	I think she was in London.
	And she opened the door and she was startled by the guy.
	And the guy dressed in the fatigues turned to this man who was dressed again in terrific clothing.
	Go ahead, the door is open.
	And the suave gentleman looked at the army guy and said, I can't get in.
	Of course you can get in.
	The door is open.
	He said, No, I can't.
	Then he turned to the woman and said, How would you like a better life?
	I would like to give you a much better life than you're used to.
	Yes.
	But you've got to stop working on what you're working on.
	What was she working on?
	She was working on the same subject matter with the warning and all of this that's coming down upon us.
	How would you like a better life?
	How would you like a better life?
	And what did she say?
	No, thank you.
	She knew exactly who she was dealing with.
	Yeah.
	You can feel it, Art.
	Unfortunately, the package is very attractive and very alluring, but you can feel that something is definitely wrong.
	You know, it's funny.
	I never, other than the Christopher Walken series of movies, which I've watched diligently, including Prophecy 3, which is great.
	You've got to see it when you get a chance.
	I never thought that it was that direct.
	I always thought it was more subtle, that the deals that people made with the dark side, with the devil, with the Antichrist, with all that's dark, were more subtle than that.
	A private, wishful thing between that person and the dark side.
	A kind of a deal that gets struck.
	A secret covenant.
	Yeah, a covenant.
	But nothing so direct as a man in a suit offering you a better life.
	You're saying that really happened?
	That's what this woman said.
	And the reason, I guess, that he could not enter into the house was because her soul was with God at that point.
	She was in a state of grace.
	And he couldn't get into the house if he tried.
	Apparently she was being protected by the good side.
	So it would have had to have been her free will.
	Her free will that allowed that door to be opened.
	Right.
	And there are a lot of contacts from what I have found out.
	So do you think that this man who was in your backyard, who walked into thin air, do you think that if you had engaged him In conversation, you would have been offered the same deal?
	I think so.
	I think so.
	Obviously, they don't want the story out.
	It would spoil the fun, so to speak.
	It would spoil the fun?
	Well, theirs.
	I mean, they've got this plan, you know, and they don't want people to know about the warning that's coming.
	They don't want people to know.
	They don't want people to be right with God.
	They want their own agenda to be pushed forward.
	They want the chaos that's going to happen.
	You know, I talk to a lot of college professors.
	I did talk with one last night, and a lot of them talk about the harvesting of souls.
	Right.
	Harvesting of souls.
	That's where ufology sort of begins to mix in with, oh, I don't know, sort of a general unspecified spiritualism And traditional Catholicism, and the kind of stuff you're talking about right now.
	Right.
	A harvesting of souls isn't all off the mark, is it?
	No, it isn't.
	No, it isn't.
	And with the UFOs and people talking about the rapture, you don't have to be too on top of it to see what's going to happen.
	You've got the Protestants saying, we're all going to be raptured.
	You've got the UFOs that are Basically, transports that people are looking at.
	And I do believe that they're out there.
	I don't believe they come from another planet.
	I do believe they are demonic in nature.
	And I think that these UFOs are going to facilitate the Antichrist's plan in his takeover, because they can manipulate, they can do wonders in the heavens as the Bible proclaims will happen.
	You know, even in the early 1800s at La Salette, France, those visionaries were told That all the prodigies in the sky would be performed by these UFOs.
	That's the big schism we have here.
	I talked to Professor Leo Sprinkle last night, and he kind of took on the work of another who has said that these beings are in fact, he didn't say demonic, demonic was not the word used, but not friendly, not interested in our best interests.
	I'm not the only one.
	There are a lot of theologians that believe that.
	And last night the professor took them on and felt that that was just a matter of perception,
	that they in fact are interested, most of them are interested in our welfare.
	But you think they're demonic.
	I'm not the only one.
	There are a lot of theologians that believe that.
	The Bible seems to support that in the fact that the first few layers of the heavens above
	us are filled with demons that we cannot see as of yet.
	But that's going to change.
	That's due to change very soon.
	You mean that which is not visible to us now will suddenly be visible?
	The veil that is over our eyes right now will be lifted.
	And that's going to come with the advent of the warning.
	The veil that's over our eyes?
	Right.
	We will be able to see them.
	Maybe I can only think in terms of movies, but that sounds like The Matrix.
	I don't know if you saw that.
	No, I haven't seen it.
	Alright, well it doesn't matter.
	The whole concept of the movie is that everything around us, everything we see and do and feel and touch and interact with every day is not the real world.
	The real world is something else entirely.
	Right.
	You called it a veil.
	It sounds like The Matrix.
	Very similar.
	Very similar in concept.
	Some people, here and now, have that ability to see beyond the veil.
	Why are we shielded from all of this in the first place?
	Well, I think it would be darned unsettling if we knew what was out there.
	And I think we have no idea how bad it's going to get.
	And that's why part of this book was written, so that people have an idea that it's going to get real ugly.
	Did you speak with Father Martin about the third secret of Fatima?
	Only in vagaries and verifying information that I had had, because he was sworn an oath that he would not reveal it.
	But he did intimate enough detail that he got a pretty good answer.
	Do you recall his saying that Imagine the worst that you can imagine.
	Right.
	And then some.
	And then some.
	And it's worse than that.
	It is.
	It is enough to drive the strongest mental, the strongest, I suppose, person nuts.
	How close to all of this do you think we are now?
	I think you're going to see part of that happening within a year or two.
	Within a year or two.
	Within a year or two, if not sooner.
	From what I've been told, the mechanism is in place and it's moving.
	All right.
	Kathleen, hold it right there.
	We are at the top of an hour.
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	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest.
	She's talking about the final warning.
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	I've got a fiddle of gold against your soul, so think I'm better than you.
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	uh... well to do so now what you're listening to tonight
	is religious prophecy
	it's pretty scary stuff so if this kind of thing uh... drives you
	in feeling uh... very disturbed you might want not want to listen
	If you have small children around, even though you shouldn't at this hour, you might not want to have them listen.
	Having said that, we will continue in a moment.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest.
	stay right there I'm not a prophet.
	I am a talk show host.
	That's all I am.
	Don't think of me as anything more.
	I'm a talk show host.
	However, based on what I've been able to see years ago, I wrote a book called The Quickening.
	It got on the New York Times bestseller list.
	It was about our world today.
	And when I say today, I mean though it was written several years ago, today.
	That everything is speeding up toward an event.
	That was the core story of The Quickening, and you can still get that book, by the way.
	It details our social behavior, our environmental problems, our business situation, our world government.
	It details every aspect of human endeavor these days, just about, and explains to you that we are going through a process of a quickening, a time, in effect, speeding up.
	Years later, just recently, I wrote another book with Whitley Strieber called The Coming Global Superstorm, and it's on the New York Times bestseller list right now, by the way.
	Number 15, I think they said.
	I haven't looked.
	But it details What we believe is occurring with the obvious now, weather changes that are occurring on Earth, I mean, we are having very serious climatic change.
	There's no question about it, just about everybody knows that now.
	The arguments have stopped, they're calling it different things, but everybody knows the climate is changing.
	So, I'm not a prophet, I'm just a talk show host.
	But these two books would seem to be coming back to me, both in what Father Malachi Martin said, and what Miss Keating is saying right now.
	So I don't know about that, Kathleen.
	It kind of freaks me out a little bit, in a way.
	You know, I wrote those books and it seems to be coming back to me.
	How does it feel?
	Isn't that a scary feeling?
	Yeah, it is.
	Because I'm not even a Catholic.
	I don't think you have to be.
	I'm not even a very religious person.
	I don't think you have to be to see the signs.
	I mean, you can feel them.
	You just know something's around the corner.
	Something big.
	When you saw this man in this Armani suit, did you recognize who he was?
	Yes, I did.
	Yes, I did.
	In other words, you knew this was the Antichrist.
	But when I say recognize who he was, I mean actually recognize the person so as to be able to name a name if you were allowed to?
	Let me just say that I recognized him as the person who people have said is the Antichrist.
	I have seen pictures of him.
	And I think more Than that, I think my soul recognized him.
	I don't know how else to describe it.
	I think it was a core feeling that you get, and it wasn't a good feeling.
	There's power there in that man.
	Strange power.
	You're not immune to it, and when you see it face to face like that, there's no way to describe it.
	Is that power being felt in the world now?
	At every level, from the lowly, the talk show host, to the world leader, to the President of the United States, the leader of Russia, whoever that is today.
	I think so.
	I think you're saying that people have, through their lifestyles or whatever, have somewhat absorbed the Antichrist's DNA, so to speak.
	And I think that it's altered our own DNA to the point that That you're seeing world leaders getting involved with things.
	When I did some interviews with this anti-Christ, supposed anti-Christ people, they claimed that the man is in constant touch with world leaders.
	And in some cases, on a daily basis.
	He's influencing policy.
	He's goading some leaders into wars.
	He's got a mess in Chechnya.
	You're going to see a bigger mess in Europe.
	More and more countries are going to start getting involved.
	And the signs are there that this entity is doing something.
	Is he precipitating a situation at which our destruction will occur by our own hand?
	He is, and I think you saw it in the Gulf War.
	I think it was cut short.
	I think that everything was Ripe in the world, it was all moving in the direction that he wanted it to move.
	He has a timetable.
	He has his own predictions about what's going to happen.
	With President Bush's movement of us into the Gulf War, everything was perfect.
	It was perfectly set up.
	Some people feel that prayer took over, that there was a mitigation of what was going to happen.
	I think that we were given a few extra years.
	But all that did was give the Antichrist more impetus and more momentum to fulfill what he wants to do.
	And you think the timeline is as short as a year or two?
	Well, I do.
	I think that we could see the total fruition of prophecy by the year 2005.
	I can already hear my callers and my faxers.
	I'll bet.
	I'll bet.
	They will say no man nor any woman shall know the exact time.
	You're absolutely right because heaven doesn't give dates.
	But they do give you signs to look for.
	And one of the major signs that we need to focus on is Pope John Paul II and his health.
	According to most prophets.
	Though he could not be any more fragile.
	No, he couldn't.
	No, he couldn't.
	And it's a tough situation because he's such a vital man in a body that's not behaving.
	And it must be horrible for him because he's got the weight of all of this prophecy coming down upon him.
	And he knows, he has admitted personally, that he knows he will be martyred soon.
	I have sensed, and I think it's for sure, that the Pope willed himself To be here for the new millennium.
	Right.
	He willed himself.
	A man who probably would be dead otherwise still stands because he's willed himself to live now.
	He's still here.
	He's still here.
	Here we are into the new millennium.
	He's still alive.
	Right.
	I wonder if he has other expectations.
	I think he is hoping to see at least hopefully the To get through the warning and the coming miracle that God's going to give us.
	I think he had at first hoped that he would see Jesus return.
	But I think that he sees that his time is running out.
	I think his concern is that he will be replaced before he's dead.
	Before he's dead?
	Before he's dead.
	And this is a key point to everybody in the world, Catholic, Muslim, Atheist, whatever.
	There's going to be a coup in Rome.
	That's going to try to get him out of there one way or the other.
	A coup?
	A coup.
	Now, I'm not a Catholic, so I don't know, but what little I do know is that Popes stay there until they die.
	That's right.
	They go away, there's a meeting, there's a vote, there's a council, there's smoke, and there's a new Pope.
	Right.
	And that's the only way I thought it happened.
	That's the only way it's supposed to happen.
	How could a coup happen?
	They are trying to force the Holy Father Out either through retirement because of his incapacitation that he supposedly can't do his job.
	You can see by his health and how he comes across that he looks like a feather could blow him over.
	But the man is so strong underneath he is fighting the undercurrent in Rome.
	But what's going to happen is that he knows he has to go into exile.
	He knows the prophecy has to be fulfilled.
	But he is trying to give everybody a little longer to get to thinking about God a little more.
	I don't know if it's ever going to happen.
	Father Martin really had his doubts about whether the world was going to turn back to God in time.
	For the Pope, how would this happen?
	I mean, how could this happen?
	It's almost unimaginable, the entire structure.
	Well, think about this though, Art.
	If you woke up some morning, or afternoon, or whenever you get up, And on CNN it said Pope John Paul II had died.
	You would not be surprised, would you?
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	But, what if the Pope really wasn't dead, but they claimed he was?
	Then they could supposedly have a Conclave of the Cardinals, an election of a new Pope, whom I believe, and many people believe, will be the Anti-Pope.
	The Anti-Pope.
	The Anti-Pope.
	And he will introduce the Antichrist to the world.
	Do you have any idea who the next pope might be?
	There are a lot of candidates out there.
	You've got Cardinal Martini, who is quite a socialist, and leaning quite left of center.
	He's terribly liberal, and certainly he speaks dozens of languages.
	He's written over 50 books.
	But aren't most popes, by definition of liberalism, regarded generally as liberal, just by the very definition of liberalism?
	No, they're not.
	I mean, inherently, maybe they are to some extent, but not to the point of saying to all Catholics, okay, we were wrong about birth control, go ahead and use it.
	Oh, not to that point.
	Not with regard to Trish's dogma, no.
	But they're going to change dogma.
	Dogma is slowly changing.
	You're seeing more that instead of fearing God, they want you to feel loved by God.
	God couldn't do that.
	These horrible things that people say are going to happen because God is so loving, but God is also just, and we've gotten away from that.
	We don't think that we are going to be punished for our sins.
	God wouldn't do that according to the church of today.
	And you're saying, oh yes he would.
	Definitely.
	Definitely.
	I don't know whether you've read the book AA1025, it's the diary of an anti-apostle, but this man was Plucked out of Catholicism in Poland and sent to Russia to be trained to infiltrate the Catholic Church.
	Really?
	Yeah, really.
	This guy was sent to seminary so that he would become a priest and work at the destruction of the church within.
	And obviously there were 1,024 people ahead of him doing the same thing.
	He was given a number and I'm sure that there were dozens of more priests put in after him.
	But he had worked years and years and years at reforming the mass, the language of the mass.
	He wrote many encyclicals.
	He was instrumental in Vatican II.
	And he was in a car accident, a serious car accident, when he was on the verge of forming Vatican III, which is going to be the final total change of dogma in the Catholic Church.
	And I still expect to see it.
	He was in an automobile accident and his manuscript of everything that he had done to undermine the Catholic Church and the Catholic people was in that car.
	A nurse got a hold of it, who took care of him before he died, and she published it.
	Her name is Marie Currie, C-A-R-R-E.
	It is just an eye-opener.
	The man talked about the changes in the church, taking the tabernacles out of the The destruction of the altar is moving another altar in that looks more like a table, telling people they don't need to go to confession, they don't need the sacraments.
	God understands.
	What they were doing, he and the communists that were involved in this, was to take the holiness and the reverence for God out so that it was more like, do what you want to do.
	If you don't want to go to Mass on Sunday, pick another day of the week.
	It's good to be out in the country on Sunday doing other things.
	You know Father Martin feared he might be killed?
	Yes.
	Did you know that it has been said that one of his last words was that he was pushed when he was dying in the hospital?
	No, ma'am.
	I had not heard that.
	Yeah.
	He couldn't see it, but something came up behind him.
	He was pushed?
	They think so.
	He said that?
	According to this person, yes.
	Now I don't know whether that's true or not, but you know his history.
	You know that things happened to him.
	Oh yes.
	And so I would not rule it out at all.
	No, I don't rule out anything.
	I've learned not to rule out anything.
	Your book, The Final Warning, has a subtitle, Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium.
	Right.
	How do you survive what you're talking about?
	It seems kind of impossible, doesn't it?
	That's why I'm asking.
	I wanted to give people a sense of hope because there are things that you can do.
	Father Martin believed there were things that you could do.
	It was going to be very difficult, but there are things as far as, you know, like I said, getting right with God.
	Well, the implication of that is not physical survival.
	No, actually I think spiritual and physical survival are linked.
	But when you say getting right with God, I think about somebody in the last six minutes of an airplane headed for the ocean at terminal velocity, or better, knowing they're going to die.
	I think we're all on that boat.
	Well, ultimately we are, aren't we?
	But I mean, getting right with God, that's what I think of when I think of that.
	There you go.
	That's what I was afraid you were going to say.
	All right.
	We'll hold it right here.
	And as I said, obviously we're talking about religious prophecy, and we're talking about the Church.
	And these things are going to disturb a lot of you, if you're one of those.
	Please tune out.
	And again, small children, Use your parental control.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Well this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Alright.
	Phew.
	I don't know what to do with this.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest.
	Father Martin mentioned many times the coming of three days of darkness.
	You've heard him say that, Kathleen?
	I have, and I've done a lot of research into those terrifying days.
	Somebody wrote to me three paragraphs, aside from what I just read.
	It says, the impending and immediate signs The cross in the sky and what to do for protection during the three days.
	Right.
	It says there are predicted two other occurrences as additional and final warnings before the terror of the three days of darkness.
	That's right.
	They're talking, I think, about the warning and the miracle.
	A time when every soul will be shown exactly how they have offended God and to what degree.
	This will be a time of such intense personal suffering that many will wish to die but no one will
	is that is that consistent with what you have heard with regard to warnings of this
	It's exactly correct.
	In fact, you took the words right out of my mouth.
	This warning that was told to the girls at Garabandal that would come upon us, which is due any time now, It's going to be a time that's not just a spiritual awakening.
	It's been said through prophecy that we will see how God sees us, which may not be a very pretty picture.
	We will see all of our sins and we will know during the warning if we were to die at that instant whether we'd go to heaven or hell.
	We would see Kathleen, for many of us, it's very difficult to think of God, and this may be just modern conditioning and the New Age wave that has washed over so many, probably including myself, but it's hard to think of God as a jealous, powerful, angry, vengeful God who would
	Do what we're talking about right now.
	It's just hard to think of God that way.
	I don't think that God is capable of that.
	I think he's a very loving God first and foremost.
	But he is also just.
	And there are so many horrors and abominations on earth right now through abortion and whatever.
	Wars, people that are into drugs, whatever it may be.
	We have turned away from God.
	It isn't God that's doing this.
	We've brought it on ourselves.
	God has given us, as I said, He lets you know that He's going to give you a major correction, and He gives you time to change, to come back to Him.
	In fact, some of the weather that you've been writing about is meant to become more frequent, more catastrophic, more storms, more devastation, and the point is to put us on our knees to ask God for help.
	Nobody's doing it.
	You have a handful of people here and there that Oh, thank God I made it through, and that's great, but we all need to turn back to God.
	We all need to realize that our very breath is because He allows it.
	It says there will appear a giant cross in the sky.
	Right, and that will be one week before the warning.
	Now, Kathleen, a lesser degree, percentage-wise, of people in the world I mean, the cross is a sign of the crucifixion.
	Right.
	More of the world is not Christian than it is Christian.
	Yes.
	So, will this appear only to Christians or will it appear to all who walk the earth?
	Everyone's going to see it.
	Everyone.
	You're not going to be able to miss it.
	It's going to be visible worldwide for 24 hours.
	And that will immediately precede three days of darkness?
	No, no, no.
	This is the warning.
	You're going to see a cross in the sky seven days before the warning transpires.
	And I'm glad you brought this up because there's a time in there in those seven days that you can prepare yourself, your house, and any animals that you may have.
	You're going to see birds and small animals disappearing before the warning happens.
	Disappearing?
	Disappearing.
	Something similar like earthquake behavior.
	You know, cats cling to the back of the couch.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, things like that.
	But you're going to see the smaller animals and birds just disappear.
	Go away.
	They'll go away.
	They're going to hide.
	In other words, they're not going to be vaporized in some way.
	No.
	They're going to be reacting as they would to an impending earthquake.
	Right.
	We know for sure.
	I interviewed a geologist and he actually predicts earthquakes by The lost and found columns in newspapers.
	You're right.
	The more cats disappear or whatever.
	That's right.
	Yeah, the earthquake is closer.
	And that's going to be the same thing.
	And the main thing that we need to do, and the comet is going to be approaching at the same time.
	Boy, I'll tell you, that's very clear.
	I mean, if small animals en masse began to disappear, If a cross appeared in the sky to the entire world, it would definitely have my attention.
	It would!
	It would have everybody's attention.
	It would, and we're going to feel a sense at that time, Art, in that week beforehand, that something spiritual is really going to take place.
	Something like what you're anticipating, that major event.
	This is going to be it.
	It's going to be at a time that the day of the warning, it'll happen about dawn.
	About dawn.
	It will happen.
	It's been said that there will be like a white mist that will come over the earth.
	And that as the mist goes clear around the globe, the warning will start in each country.
	And we will be held in this warning time for eight days until everybody accepts God as the Creator.
	Until everybody sees what they have done to God through their sins, that we will be held in this horrible time.
	There will be terrible thunder and lightning and earthquakes.
	Some have said that the earthquakes will last 20 minutes, if you can imagine that.
	I mean, 20 seconds is bad enough, but 20 minutes.
	We're expecting, according to prophecy, several prophets, that there's going to be a major earthquake in the center of the United States.
	I went through an earthquake that lasted about 40 seconds, along with my wife, not long ago.
	Very close epicenter, very close to where we are here.
	It was the single most terrifying earthquake I've been through, and I've been through a few.
	This one really was terrifying, but to imagine a 20 minute earthquake, you can't even imagine it, Kathleen.
	No, you can't, and that's the problem.
	You know, they hear about this warning and they think, well, it's just a spiritual thing, but there are physical things that you have to do to get through this, and God knows praying would help.
	I think that would help alleviate things.
	Prophets are talking about covering your windows, and once this warning starts at the pre-done time... People want specifics, so let me read you what I've got, and since it's been right so far, let's see if the person has it right.
	It says what to do for protection during the three days.
	As soon as you perceive the disturbed signs of the very cold night, go inside.
	Shut and lock all doors and windows.
	Pull down the shades.
	Keep doors and windows well covered.
	Go and stay away from doors and windows.
	Do not look out.
	Do not go outside for any reason.
	Do not talk to anyone outside.
	Anyone who looks or goes out will die immediately.
	The wrath of God is holy and He does not want us to see it.
	Light your blessed candles.
	All will be black.
	The only thing which will give light will be blessed wax candles.
	Even these will not burn in the houses of the godless and scoffers.
	Once lit, nothing will put them out in the houses of the believers.
	Be sure to keep a supply of blessed wax candles in your home.
	Holy water to be sprinkled freely about the house.
	Especially the doors and windows.
	Bless yourself and others with it.
	Drink it.
	Anoint your senses with it.
	Your hands, feet, and forehead.
	Keep a sufficient supply of food, water, and blankets, and so forth.
	Is that what you've heard?
	Yes, I have.
	Again, that's the three days of darkness, but there are similar warnings attached to the Great Warning that it's due.
	The warning will come before the three days of darkness.
	And then the miracle and then the three days.
	So the warning, yes, you do need to go inside.
	You need to lock your doors and windows.
	You need to cover them with plastic so that if the glass breaks it won't fly in and then there'll be bad dust from the comet and so forth that's highly flammable.
	Another thing that isn't mentioned there is that demons will start appearing during this time.
	Demons?
	They will try to keep you from praying or asking for God's help.
	As far as children and the elderly are concerned, they will be put into a deep sleep out of the mercy of God.
	Aren't you talking about a war between heaven and hell?
	Yes, an all out war.
	And we're going to be caught right in the middle of it.
	And part of that veil that I mentioned earlier is going to be lifted.
	So that we see things that are good and evil.
	We will see our guardian angels at the warning.
	Why are we important?
	Why are our souls important?
	Why are we so doggone important?
	A god?
	A creator?
	An evil of Satan?
	A Lucifer?
	And in between, here we are, the object of all the attention.
	What's going on?
	Why are we so important?
	God really loves us.
	He made us to serve him and to love him back.
	And I don't think that as human beings, we're so finite in our thinking that we could ever comprehend the love of God.
	And certainly the way we've turned ourselves away from God, we're not going to get it at all.
	And as far as the dark side trying to come after us, we are prizes.
	Lucifer thinks in his own mindset that the more souls he captures, He will be allowed back into heaven.
	But in reality, God is going to swat him back down into hell.
	So the outcome of this confrontation is known?
	Yes and no.
	But it's a debate as to how many people are going to go where.
	And so your instruction is to the people who would like to end up in a better place?
	Yes, and I think we all would if we knew what was waiting for us.
	But we're all going to get a glimpse of that in the morning.
	We're all going to see what hell is like, because we're going to feel an intense heat when we see our sins the way God sees us.
	Not with any, well, I did that because of this, or I wasn't thinking when I did that, or I was young, you know.
	We're not going to have any excuses during the morning.
	We're going to see it exactly the way it is.
	And we're going to see what we deserve.
	And it's a very terrifying experience to witness hell.
	But we're going to see it.
	But God's giving us time for us to change.
	Do you have any idea or concept of what hell is?
	I do.
	I've done a lot of research into it and talked to a lot of people like Father Martin that have the theological concept of hell.
	I interviewed, and it will be indelibly imprinted on my mind for all of my life, this young girl named Sarah.
	I don't know if you've been a follower of the show or not.
	Yes, yes.
	Did you hear that interview?
	Yes.
	Did you hear, of course, she was coming home from church on a bicycle, got slammed by a truck and thrown 60 feet, she was dead, and she went to You know, do I want to say hell?
	She saw, she said, parts of the place that she went to had to be hell.
	And she was also with the light.
	It was a remarkable, remarkable thing to hear, that interview.
	And she talked about agonizing thousands and millions of bodies in agony and that sort of thing.
	Is that the hell you think you know?
	It is.
	It's perpetual.
	There have been visionaries that have written extensive documents on hell.
	They've been permitted to see it.
	And the torture that goes there is just incredible.
	You know, you would think that people like Hitler that ended up there... I mean, this one author, Sear, has talked about it.
	That he is punished even more in hell because of all the people he killed that went to heaven.
	There's that kind of... And that's what we're dealing with the Antichrist.
	There is so much evil that we as human beings cannot comprehend.
	In other words, he who administers hell would have been particularly angry at Hitler for dispatching so many to the other place.
	Right.
	I'm putting it simply here but I'm trying to get it.
	He created martyrs and that was wrong as far as Lucifer was concerned.
	A lot of people went to heaven because they believed in God.
	And part of Hitler's plan was to eradicate the Jews so that they would not have their own homeland and that was part of the Satan driven plot so that It would mess up the prophecy and the coming of Jesus.
	Father Martin and I talked extensively about possession.
	Real, serious possession.
	As you know, he was an exorcist.
	The exorcist, I would say.
	He talked to me about priests that have been killed during exorcisms.
	He talked to me about People who have been possessed by the devil or his agents.
	I don't know.
	The devil, I guess.
	And battles that he had gone through.
	It was riveting stuff.
	Did he share any of that with you?
	He did.
	It's a scary thing because you know he was in a tenuous situation.
	I know.
	And I had experienced some things in my life the closer I got to stories.
	The more anomalous behavior that started to happen near me.
	And I was concerned about it, frightened by it, and didn't want to get trapped into it.
	And he understood that.
	He understood the forces that you can't see, but are very prevalent.
	And they're taking over, you know, and it's a very dangerous situation.
	You have written a book called The Final Warning, which is not really available on Amazon.com.
	It will be.
	It's available now as far as reserving a copy.
	So it's just coming out, though?
	It's just coming out.
	Your listeners can get it at a special price.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	If they want to order now, I can give them a number and they get it.
	Give me a number now.
	We'll repeat it after the talk.
	Okay.
	It's 1-800-1877.
	1-877-620-BOOK.
	Book?
	Book.
	Pretty good number.
	1-877-620-BOOK.
	Book.
	Right.
	It's Picasso Publications.
	And I think they're letting all of your listeners have the book for $10.95.
	That's my understanding.
	Oh, you're kidding?
	No.
	I thought that was supposed to be like a $25 book.
	It is, but they're letting your listeners have it for $10.95.
	How long have you been working on this?
	A good seven years.
	Seven years.
	And it's like pushing a peanut up Mount Everest.
	Who knows?
	I understand.
	Hold on, Kathleen.
	We'll be right back.
	What we're going to do is open the lines when we get back.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest.
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	Well, this must be really bringing out the best in some of you. I've got a fax here from
	Stephen.
	And it reads as follows.
	Recalling what Don Juan taught Carlos Castaneda.
	That we are energy, spiritual beings.
	That this physical universe is effectively a shared illusion that we learn and learn to maintain from our lifetime of interaction with others.
	We grow into it.
	Therefore, we believe it to be the sum total of reality, never questioning it, never seeking beyond it.
	Yes, like in The Matrix.
	Is it possible that what was unseen will become seen?
	It refers to our collective awakening to a new level of spiritual awareness.
	We won't see it until we believe it.
	Is it possible that an Antichrist is the catalyst that shall bring about this new spirituality and that it is according to God's plan, a very complex plan of which we can only perceive pieces.
	I find it very difficult to believe That the Creator is a poor chess player.
	But then I favor uncomplicated explanations.
	All right, back now to Kathleen.
	Did you hear that fax, Kathleen?
	Yes, I did.
	That was really something else, wasn't it?
	On the mark, huh?
	Yeah, it was.
	I think, where would we be without the Antichrist in some respects?
	Well, here's somebody who says, Art, maybe it would be a good idea to have Kathleen tell the listeners exactly what the Antichrist means.
	Well, that's a really good question.
	The Antichrist can be a group of people.
	We're talking about one specific person, though, who denies the deity of Jesus.
	He is, therefore, an Antichrist.
	He puts himself above Jesus.
	The number 666 was taken by Lucifer, because God's number is 333 for the Blessed Trinity.
	He puts himself above God, so he doubles it, 666.
	Here's another one that says, Art, it is not that God is vengeful, it is that He is the face of truth, and we are confronted with that truth.
	Does that sound right?
	It does.
	People say that God sends people to hell.
	He doesn't.
	We send ourselves at that realization of that perfect being, the truth and the light.
	It's all right there.
	His life is there for us to see and we are exposed and we become so ashamed at our lies and whatever we do on earth that we run towards hell because we've just messed up with God.
	We can't stand it.
	Our souls flee to hell.
	Did you, again, here I go off to my movie parallels, but there was a movie about a woman who thought that Judgment Day was coming, and she took her son out into the desert.
	Do you know that movie I'm talking about?
	I think I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.
	You haven't seen it?
	No.
	The end of the movie was the most interesting.
	She took her son's life and she took her own life, but she was then required to judge herself.
	Right.
	She went to a place where she actually judged her own actions and prevented herself from going further.
	It was really an interesting movie.
	Look, I want to go to the line, so let's see what some of the audience has to say about all of this, alright?
	Sure.
	Here it comes.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Kathleen.
	Good evening, Kathleen.
	Good evening, Art.
	How are you tonight?
	I'm fine, thank you.
	My name is Chris and I'm in Long Beach, California.
	I'm someone that has traveled the world.
	I have lived a very fortunate life as the son of a very wealthy man.
	I attribute most of my knowledge about life because of my travels.
	I've concentrated when I travel to study people and the way we live and to study our relationship with the earth.
	Unique about my life, which has been increasing over the past year, are clairvoyant experiences that I've never shared with anyone except Linda Howe outside of my own family.
	This includes also healing animals, pets in the neighborhood, freeing them from disease.
	It's nothing that I can control.
	Something happens to me.
	I know it's something I should do and I see an injured animal and I do it or I'll have these visions just shortly before I wake up of something that will happen that day and I'm able to give exact details of an incident and tell someone in my family something that will happen to them that has prevented injury and even fires.
	In automobiles and car accidents that happen later on in the day, I've told about it first thing in the morning.
	But the vision that is coming up constantly, very frequently as a matter of fact in the past two months, is I'm standing in front of masses of people who are running in fear.
	I don't know what it is they're running from.
	The first time I had this vision, I saw the face of Jesus in the sky, or of God.
	That's what I related it to.
	People were just in fear, but I was standing there calm and relaxed and content.
	I myself have tried the best that I can to prepare myself for whatever it is that's going to happen that I feel is coming.
	I don't know how I know about it.
	It's like something is being put into my body spiritually.
	I feel I'm transforming at a very rapid rate lately.
	It scares myself.
	I just don't share it with many people, but I think the audience that you have on the radio tonight might be able to appreciate it.
	You're having these visions now frequently?
	Very frequently.
	Alright.
	At least once a week.
	Visions happen to me maybe two or three times a year.
	Now it's weekly.
	Okay.
	Kathleen, will there be increasing numbers of people like this with visions like this as the time approaches?
	As we get closer to the morning, more and more people are going to be having these.
	The Bible says that our children will dream dreams and you will see things that will happen.
	There will be a lot more prophets Good and bad, but I think what Chris is experiencing is something that is the norm, that he's getting closer and closer to God.
	He certainly has gifts from God that help the animals and mankind around him.
	He's very in tune to what's happening, and I think God uses people with these blessings to get the word out.
	It's sort of like, pack your spiritual bags, we're getting ready.
	Let me tell you something, Kathleen.
	I don't know how many other people will resonate with this, but I think that if I was required to judge myself right now, I would send myself to hell.
	I think most of us would, Art.
	That's a disconcerting thought, isn't it?
	That's an honest thought.
	But see, Art, that's the whole thing of this.
	You've got the chance to send yourself to purgatory or heaven.
	Eventually.
	That's why we're given this chance of an awakening process.
	There's hope.
	That's the good news about all of this horror that's coming.
	There is hope for yourself.
	Because, let's face it, it's going to be a very individual thing when this happens.
	No doubt.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	I'm calling from Alabama.
	Yes, ma'am.
	ERC 960 AM.
	Yes, ma'am.
	And I appreciate Kathleen's fortitude and boldness, and I can feel that it doesn't matter what happens to her, she's going to do what she's got to do.
	I appreciate that in her.
	Well, thank you.
	And Kathleen, when I was growing up, the people, my grandparents, they were afraid of the Catholic people, and it wasn't the Catholic people of their time, it was the Catholic people of The Catholic Church you were talking about, it's of this future.
	Yes.
	I believe the Antichrist is going to come through this.
	Yes.
	Catholic Church in the last days.
	Absolutely.
	Right.
	And the number 666, does it not come out of the Catholic title of the priest?
	I'm not going to say it right, but maybe you can correct me.
	Victor?
	Or something like that?
	It's not.
	That's the misconception.
	It's not of God.
	It is not of the good Catholic Church.
	You've got people in the Catholic Church now that are really destroying the church.
	They are evil and they are infiltrating with dissemination of misinformation.
	It's just terrible.
	And so I know what you're talking about.
	When the Antichrist comes, Kathleen, won't almost all follow him?
	It's going to be real hard not to.
	Won't he be offering food?
	Apparent salvation?
	Yes.
	Well, he's going to come not as the Antichrist.
	Of course he's not.
	He's going to come as the Messiah.
	And that he only has the way to salvation.
	But he's going to come at a time of crisis where you have to follow him in order to eat.
	You have to follow him in order to have anything left.
	But if Christ came back now... Right.
	Wouldn't he be immediately, nearly immediately, in the modern way, crucified?
	I mean, the world is waiting and expecting the Antichrist.
	Right, but don't we crucify Jesus every day by our actions?
	Doesn't he get re-crucified?
	You know, we think that God doesn't feel because Jesus was crucified, he died and resurrected, and he's supposedly immune to all the pain.
	and the sin that's on earth, but he's not. He continues to feel that.
	And the pain that the Eternal Father feels is to see Jesus suffer again and again with the abominations
	throughout the Christian churches, it isn't just the Catholic Church,
	that is throwing God away.
	Will it be clear enough that we will understand?
	We really won't, will we?
	In other words, we will think that Christ has returned.
	That will be the nature of the Antichrist.
	Well, yes and no.
	If we're paying attention, we're not going to miss it.
	We're going to know who he is.
	And at the Miracle Arch that will happen in Garabondo, Spain, we will be shown.
	Everybody on earth will have a vision of who this Antichrist is.
	And that's when we are marked by God.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Yes, I would like to know if this cross that's going to be seen in the sky, like with me I'm totally blind, so will that be like a physical sight or a spiritual sight that people will see that?
	What an excellent question.
	I think it's a spiritual thing and a physical thing.
	You're going to know about it.
	A lot of the visionaries now will notify people, and I certainly will notify Art when I know that it's coming, so that he can get the word out, so that everybody will not miss it.
	So in other words, you will see it as clearly as the sighted?
	I believe that, Art.
	I really do.
	I don't think God's going to leave anybody out of this one.
	And I have a question about the Antichrist.
	Could you tell me...
	Like Gene Dixon had mentioned that Antichrist was born around 1962.
	Do you think the person that you saw was around between their 30s and 40s?
	Yes, very definitely.
	There are some visionaries that think he's older, but the consensus of the 500 visionaries that I've been involved with believe he's in his 30s.
	Well, thanks for answering my question.
	Sure.
	Thank you.
	In other words, you began at that age, and so you saw a fully grown adult.
	Right.
	Who would probably not appear to age, or would?
	He doesn't seem to.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Good evening, Eric.
	Good evening, Kathleen.
	You're going to have to yell at us, sir.
	You're not very loud.
	Oh, okay.
	I got a quick two-part question.
	I'll take the answer off the air.
	A. How integral is the Antichrist to Lucifer's plans?
	And B. If he is so integral, if we were to destroy him, could we stop all of this mess that's going to happen?
	All right.
	How important is the Antichrist?
	Very.
	Very.
	He's Satan incarnate.
	And if the Antichrist could be thwarted or eliminated in some way?
	I don't think he can, except by God.
	He's going to try to ascend into heaven and he's going to be knocked down into hell by God.
	God is the only one that can stop him now.
	I think that's the way it's always been.
	Hello.
	I'd just like to say a couple of things about the references to the Bible, Antichrist and all that.
	The Bible is not open to personal interpretation.
	The Bible is very specific about what is to come, what's going to happen, and all that.
	Jiminy Christmas.
	It says specific things are going to happen, and it's going to happen in a specific order.
	It's just not... Oh boy, I don't know how to explain it.
	It's set in stone, isn't it?
	Yes, it is!
	Okay, about the Pope there.
	I keep up on a lot of things.
	Nostradamus says that there's only two more Popes after this one.
	Also that the Pope is going to offer up the Antichrist as the real Jesus Christ.
	That will be the Antipope, not an officially elected Pope.
	That will be the Pope that We'll seize power, but not be doing it.
	But you believe that to be the pope that follows the one who clings to life today, right?
	Yes, I do believe that.
	In Garibaldo, the girls were told that Pope John Paul II would be the last pope.
	Now, whether that means he's the last pope before things get really ugly, or whether he's the last good pope, there will be one other pope, and his name will be Petrus Romanus.
	This will be following the so-called anti-pope?
	According to The last pope, he will be appointed by John Paul before he's killed.
	There will be one that's elected, and his name will be Gloria, Gloria of the Olives, in other words, from what Saint Malachi had predicted.
	Yes.
	And the last pope would be Peter Romanus, so it's like the Alpha and the Omega, we go back to Peter the Roman again.
	Alright.
	Hold on Kathleen, we'll be right back.
	I guess that would be a world without love, which a lot of people will do.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Kathleen Keating is my guest, and we're talking about some pretty heavy stuff, so I again warn you, if this sort of thing disturbs you, there are other stations, and if there are children in the room, you might want to consider what you want them to hear.
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	Nile The movie, of course, was The Rapture with Mimi Rogers and I would recommend this movie to anyone.
	It has a very shocking beginning and, for that matter, a shocking ending.
	And a lot of people never get past the beginning, but I urge you to do so.
	The first minutes of the movie are liable to turn those off, what not be turned off.
	It's not a movie for children.
	But go read it.
	It's called The Rapture, and it's with Mimi Rogers.
	And again, in the first minutes of the movie, there is some adult, objectionable material.
	Get past that, because that's not what it's about.
	Believe me.
	Maybe in a way it is.
	My guest is Kathleen Keating and she'll be right back.
	Kathleen Keating's book is called The Final Warning.
	It's not out yet.
	When it is, it'll probably be priced about $25 or something like that.
	It's not available yet, but it will be available ultimately at Amazon.com and your bookstore and all that.
	But right now, because she's on the air with me, they've got a special deal going.
	You can get in a pre-order, I guess, you can order it for how much?
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	All right.
	What do I want to ask you?
	There's so much.
	The rapture.
	Do you believe there will be a rapture?
	In other words, will some be taken from this horror before it unfolds?
	Wouldn't that be nice to be able to get that ticket out of here?
	Yeah.
	I do believe in the rapture.
	Not all Catholics do, which is unfortunate.
	It is in the Catholic teachings, but they, of course, don't teach that anymore.
	That's part of the change.
	I'm not one that believes, like the Protestants say, of the pre-trib rapture and the post-tribulation rapture.
	According to information that I have researched, the rapture will start shortly after the warning.
	Shortly after the warning.
	That would make sense.
	And people will be going at odd times.
	There will be a mass plucking, so to speak, of good souls, souls that couldn't tolerate what is coming.
	innocent souls that are certainly targeted by the Antichrist, for God knows what.
	Again, a harvesting.
	A harvesting, exactly.
	And this harvesting is going to keep on going until the three days of darkness.
	So the best thing you can do, I guess, if you want to get out of what's happening, is
	to get your life to the point where you are free from sin.
	I used to ask on the air, just for fun I guess, What would you do if you woke up one morning and all the born-again Christians were gone?
	And people would frequently give me flip answers of all kinds.
	But it's worth a little bit of thought.
	It is.
	It is, because what are we going to do?
	It's going to be explained in the news that either UFOs got them or whatever, but can you think of the emotional impact of waking up and having maybe half the population of the earth gone?
	Your loved ones, you know?
	Yeah, I usually get flip answers like, OK, well, it's party time then.
	But I don't think it'll be our party.
	No, I think if you're the one that's left, you're going to be sweating bullets.
	Sweating bullets, if not swallowing them.
	Listen, Russia.
	Yes.
	We have to have that discussion.
	Russia somehow plays a part in the way all this unfolds, doesn't it?
	It does, and you can go back to Fatima, where it's mentioned in prophecy, and even before that into the 14-1500s.
	Russia's going to be the main problem.
	It still is the problem.
	The Cold War is not over.
	It's a ruse.
	Gorbachev said so himself in a speech in 1984.
	Well, I believe that.
	If you look at recent events in Russia, and the changing of the guard, What they now believe versus what they said they believed during the supposed end of the Cold War.
	They're even running a big series on CNN.
	The Cold War.
	Right.
	It was.
	It's gone.
	It's over.
	It's not over, is it?
	No, it isn't.
	In Gorbachev's own words, he said that there will be no significant internal change in the Soviet Union.
	There will be no glasnost or perestroika in reality.
	That's the appearance we want to give.
	Our purpose, quote Gorbachev says, our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.
	We want to accomplish three things.
	One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe.
	Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces in Europe.
	And three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with the Strategic Defense Initiative.
	Yeah, especially that one.
	Now, prophecy has said in recent years, and even before Gorbachev opened his mouth, This whole thing was a setup that they are going to come after us and we better pay attention.
	Alright, here we go again.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi Art, this is Andy from Largo, Florida.
	Hello there.
	Hi, how are you?
	Fine.
	Question or basically a comment.
	I was raised Christian.
	Basically, it's hard for me to sustain a foundation, a solid foundation, in the belief of a hellfire.
	We're taught in the Christian religion that the wages of sin is death.
	Well, you know, I've studied many, many religions from the Balinese islands to the Toraja people or the Celebes Highlands, Indonesia, all over the world.
	And when you listen to these high priests all over the world from all different religions They can't be ruled out, and I firmly believe that just because a certain tribe like the Osmonds, who still live as they did 50,000 years ago in the Age of Wood, are firm in their belief system, they have their own structure.
	They're safe in their own way.
	God created them.
	I got into an argument with a minister once about Christian ministries going down remote river systems and trying to domesticate primitive people.
	Leave them alone.
	You know, that's the way it was.
	Now, it sounds like I'm an atheist.
	I'm not.
	I'm a Christian man.
	But I'm also open to all other religions, because they have a story, too.
	Well, then they would say you're not a true Christian, or you could not stand by and see those souls facing eternal damnation.
	Well, you know, Art, good point, and what makes me really think of it, I mean, I've got a heavy argument here.
	I'm with you, though, sir.
	I mean, I'm really with you.
	I don't understand how souls, people who have firm Well-grounded beliefs, but other than Christian.
	Exactly.
	And the Christian Church will hate to hear this, but no organized religion has caused more social or structured damage to the planet than the Christian Church.
	Now, that's not a cheap shout at the church.
	No, no, no.
	It's not.
	Let's get a response.
	I'm interested.
	Kathleen, he's right.
	And he is right to a certain extent, and I don't think that God judges these people Because they don't hear the gospel.
	I think that he treats them the way he does everybody else.
	If you live a good life, you live a good life.
	But I do think that, I think unwittingly, people, missionaries or whatever, some of course out of a sense of duty, no matter what Christian faith it is, is to spread the news of the gospel to all corners of the earth.
	But that unwitting sense in there is to fulfill prophecy.
	We're almost driven subconsciously to get the news to the four corners of the earth so that God can come back.
	Kathleen, we are seeing increasingly things in our skies, triangular craft, round craft, craft that are absolutely, completely undeniable.
	Aircraft, captains of large 747s have come on my program, police officers, people of all kinds of high positions have come on and told what they have seen.
	And you don't believe.
	I mean, when you look up at the night sky, In all of creation, if you want to think of it that way, it's reasonable, even probable, that there are others.
	Why could these not be others?
	Why are they, of necessity, evil?
	I think their very nature appeals to people as being evil.
	When they see them or have interaction with them, people don't get a good sense from them.
	And I think that that has spread and permeated into the sense that, oh, they must be demons.
	I mentioned earlier that theologians believe they're demons, and that these spaceships
	are part of an illusion to keep us from the history of creation, that God stepped into
	civilization and created Adam and Eve.
	You're going to see a lot of debunking of creation, that perhaps life started on another
	planet and we were deposited here.
	And it's just going to become more and more prevalent.
	But that is part of, from what I can see, the Antichrist plan.
	The Antichrist plan.
	Uh-huh.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	Yes.
	Love you, and love Rolly, too.
	Thank you.
	Listen, about a year ago, I started having mental problems, hallucinations and things.
	Basically, I've been under psychic attack for about a year, and I'm under psychic attack right now.
	Whenever I talk about this they have the ability to run my heartbeat up and it gets scary.
	That being said, my experience is that the devil and evil spirits are trying to take over my mind.
	Initially they did it with flashing images when I would first be waking up or going to sleep.
	Subsequent to that I would wake up at night and they would be trying to hypnotize me and most recently, and this is the most diabolical thing, they've It started scripting my dreams.
	When you said something about dreams last weekend, I sent you an email.
	I don't know if you got it.
	They are actually controlling my dreams, scripting my dreams, reprogramming my mind and my subconscious through my dreams.
	Let me ask Kathleen about your situation now.
	Kathleen, how do we separate Those who are having a true mental dysfunction, a mental illness, from those who are having revelation, real revelation.
	You mean demonic revelation?
	No, either creative Revelation or demonic revelation.
	In other words, how do we separate this was a problem that Father Malachi Martin had in trying to decide whether or not to do an exorcism.
	Right, I mean there is some sense of a physical imbalance, a chemical thing that could be going on.
	A lot of people believe, and I know Father Malachi did to a certain extent, that it is a demonic thing, but not in all cases.
	So it's very hard to tell.
	I think when the caller said that they have control over him, it's best to try not to give the dark side too much credit.
	Don't give them that control.
	They can't take it unless you give it to them.
	If it's a chemical thing, you need to be working with a physician for that.
	That makes sense.
	Again, going back to the rapture for a second, if you're not raptured and you're one of the ones left down here, Right.
	What advice would you give those strolling around wondering where everybody went?
	I'd be praying an awful lot that I could make amends fast enough to get out of here.
	If not, I know that there are refuges that will be available to people.
	Bans of almost going back to the early Christian days in the catacombs.
	That we'll be living together and trying to survive the coming horrors.
	So I think the best thing you can do is try to keep focused on God.
	It's going to be very difficult because there's going to be a lot of... For those it would be kind of a purgatory on earth.
	It is purgatory on earth and we are cleansing our sins and as we cleanse them by whatever plague or something that we have to endure, whatever physical and emotional suffering, that expiates our sins.
	And so as you expiate them, then you will be more eligible, so to speak, to be raptured.
	Well, some people might think what I'm about to say is blasphemy, but here it goes.
	Firstly, I believe that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are the four major religions
	of the world.
	Because, I mean, so far what you've seen throughout history is religion has brought war, famine,
	pestilence and death.
	My personal belief is that we need to turn more to ourselves and become more spiritual.
	But what about the old argument that it's not religion so much that's doing this as man's application of free will within that religious belief?
	Well... How about that one?
	That's a stumper there.
	To just continue, I believe the Native American people hit the nail on the head when they said, you know, we are basically all interconnected.
	We are all part of one.
	I think that's what we need to realize.
	Personally, I believe, well, your experiments even prove that.
	If everybody concentrates on something hard enough, we'll make it come to be.
	I've proven something.
	I don't know what.
	Well, I mean, if we all believe the end's coming, it'll come.
	How about we could put it off by all getting together and having positive thoughts that we start thinking of God, and we all do it collectively, and wham!
	It's put off, and life gets better.
	Why do we need God?
	We couldn't live without Him.
	Hmm?
	We could not live without Him.
	Well, he's saying that if we can either Bring it on, or forestall it, then we are doing this ourselves.
	We are, in effect, God.
	Well, we've promoted ourselves as God, sure.
	We're not God.
	We're not God.
	We're part of a larger organism.
	That's why I see it more of a scientific type thing.
	I believe we're all interconnected.
	Like, I mean, how many Catholic priests have said, you know, I was out in the forest and I heard it speak to me, as compared to, say, a Native American shaman?
	I believe we've got to get more spiritual and less idolization.
	I mean, we're worshiping idols.
	Personally, the way I see it, if there truly was a God, he wouldn't care how we worshiped.
	He wouldn't care that we went to church every Sunday.
	I think he would be more concerned with how we lead our lives and how we try and contribute to a greater good.
	I do agree with that, but I mean very strict dogma says all kinds of things about what will happen to you if you're not baptized, what will happen to you if you don't believe specifically and accept Christ and all the rest of it.
	You're not going there, you're going there.
	Well, the best part is we're all going to find out soon, aren't we?
	Who's right?
	I personally believe that church and religion was created for one purpose, money.
	I mean, there are a lot of people... What's the richest country in the world right now?
	We are.
	Besides, well, okay, another rich country, the Vatican.
	Oh.
	Very, very rich.
	Very rich, yes.
	Very, very, very rich.
	I mean... Well, I suppose for its size, per capita, yes, the Vatican would be richer than we are.
	Since the beginning of time, we've been hunters and gatherers.
	Before, we used to hunt and gather birds.
	Hunt birds and gather berries and fruit and vegetables.
	Now all we hunt and gather is nickels and dimes.
	Alright, it's a good point, the coin changers.
	You know, he's really right.
	Per capita, the Vatican certainly is richer than we are.
	As a nation in totality, certainly we are the richest nation in the world.
	But the Vatican is, for its size, per capita, the richest nation in the world.
	Absolutely.
	And I think that's part of What has to be.
	I think it's the target, of course, for people that want to take it over.
	Because of that money and because of their... It's just incredible, the power that they actually have.
	So, the Vatican, the very place that Catholics look to, is the very place that now has within it evil.
	Yes, unfortunately that's true.
	I do not think that Pope John Paul II is evil.
	I think he's a very holy man, and I totally respect him.
	I think there are people around him that are absolutely evil, and those are the people that are going to take over.
	And I think that's going to be a terrible thing, because most Catholics are going to be just... And those are the people that Father Malachi Martin worried were going to kill him.
	Those may be the people that Father Malachi Martin was talking about, if he really said, I was pushed.
	That could be.
	That could be.
	Again, I don't know if that's true, but it certainly makes sense because it wasn't the first time.
	But those people are very, very strong.
	Their group is so entrenched that they've got a lot of connections and a lot of things they can do to people.
	Kathleen, I always at this juncture in the program, I know you're in Nebraska.
	You're a time zone or two away.
	I asked them whether they wish to do the final hour or not.
	I'm game if you are.
	You are, huh?
	You bet.
	All right, then so be it.
	My guest is Kathleen Keating.
	She is an acquaintance, was an acquaintance, of the former Father Malachi Martin, who I'm sure you heard interviewed many, many times right here.
	She'll be back for a final hour about the final warning in a moment.
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	Kathleen Keating is here.
	Is our weather changing?
	From Time Magazine, January 31st, 2000, what do you think the scientists are saying about the weather right now?
	Here's an article from Time, in part, entitled, Wacky Weather Ahead.
	December of 99 was mild.
	Deceptively mild, it now seems.
	For if January is any indication of what lies in store, then the winter that came in like a lamb could go out like a lion, as could many more winters that follow.
	Summers could turn nastier as well, bringing more droughts to the southwest U.S.
	and more hurricanes.
	To the southeast.
	Why?
	What do you imagine the scientists have to say here?
	It goes on.
	A growing number of scientists believe that a long-term climate cycle known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is showing signs of shifting gears.
	The latest tantalizing hint that this may be the case comes from satellite images Released last week by NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, the reds and the whites in the picture depict large areas where sea surface temperatures are above normal.
	The blues and pinks signify colder waters.
	And so forth and so on.
	That's what the scientists are saying, and they will always have something to say.
	They will observe what's going on, the changes that are occurring, and they will try and come up with a reason for those changes.
	That's what they're saying to Time Magazine right now about the changes.
	All right, back now to Kathleen Keating.
	Kathleen, is there a way people can contact you, internet or mail or whatever?
	Sure.
	As far as email, finalwarningatmail.com.
	Is that N-A-I-L?
	M as in mail.
	Mail.
	M-A-I-L dot com.
	Finalwarningatmail.com.
	Or they can write to me in care of my publisher at Picasa Publications.
	Finalwarningatmail.com.
	At mail.com.
	And I'd be glad to answer anybody's questions or help them in any way.
	Oh, they're going to have a lot of questions.
	Questions are good.
	All right.
	Well, then let's keep them coming.
	First time on the caller line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	This is Julia from Tennessee.
	Yes.
	Hi, Julia.
	And I understood you, Kathleen, to say that you think that extraterrestrials are evil?
	I believe they are, from the evidence that I've seen.
	I guess we're going to find out whether they are or not, but I tend to believe that they do have some demonic attachment.
	Okay, I would like to offer you a different perspective.
	Okay.
	Starting in 1956, I had UFO experiences when I was eight years old.
	A UFO came over Long Lake, outside of Mount Gilead, Ohio.
	It came down and frightened everyone that was with me.
	I said, oh no, don't be frightened, it's just a UFO.
	We talked about the triangular shapes art and flying at tree level.
	I had an amazing experience.
	I counted 42 triangular objects.
	I was working in my studio.
	I'm a handbag designer.
	I looked out my window and I saw this enormous, as big as a football field, but it was circular, craft go down on top of a mountain.
	I mean, this is the honest to God's truth.
	The mountain on top of the mountain was a home, but when the craft approached it, the whole earth opened up and the craft went down into the mountain itself.
	I've heard stories like this before.
	This is the truth.
	I got in my car with my ex-husband, and he and I started riding up the road, and I counted 42 triangular craft, and there was a central light underneath it.
	It looked, well, you would think of jet propulsion, actually, but it was totally silent.
	There was not a sound.
	Right.
	Well, right after that, I was in my bedroom at about 3 o'clock in the morning, and this pink light came through the window, and it went over me.
	Well, it startled me.
	I opened my eyes, apparently seeing some form of light.
	It was in the corner of the room.
	It only went over me and I was terrified.
	I threw my blankets over my head and something suddenly told me, just be peaceful.
	I stayed there for I could not tell you how long and it drifted out of the window.
	Well out of the window there was a circular, I couldn't tell you the circumference, but
	underneath there was a pink light and it was hitting the earth and there were figures underneath
	it.
	Okay, nothing happened.
	In 1991, I was miraculously healed in a Catholic hospital and they had told me that I had terminal
	pancreatitis.
	It was acute, and I would be dead within seven days.
	And a blinding white light came to me, and all I saw was a tunnel, and at the end of the tunnel was a figure which moved to the right.
	All right, for the sake of brevity here, if I may, ma'am.
	Yes, sir.
	First of all, the first thing that you described This encounter, this close encounter, how do you characterize that?
	I did not find him demonic at all.
	What I do believe... Well, you were under the covers!
	I was under... Oh, you mean when the pink light showed?
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Oh, it frightened me to death at first.
	But you don't regard that as a demonic encounter?
	Well, no.
	It frightened me because it was unusual, and I think we question anything that is unusual.
	Yeah, but if you hadn't gone out of the covers, you might have a totally different point of view right now.
	But I brought the covers back over my head and opened my eyes, and witnessed the pink light.
	And a peace came over me.
	And I saw the pink light.
	At this point, it was pink.
	It went out of the house.
	Okay, and then later healing.
	Yes, there was a miraculous healing, and it was overnight.
	I saw a blinding white light, and after that, in 1994, I saw, I would say, I think I counted 14 of these triangular shapes in the sky.
	And they had a light, but they were moving up, down, left, right, in all different directions, but they were semi-stationary.
	And the reason I say I don't believe that they are demonic, I believe in God and I have tremendous faith in God.
	I don't express it often, I mean for me to even do it publicly.
	That's fine.
	But I think that since we cannot see beyond ourselves, there is definitely someone, God, whatever name you wish to place upon it, and other beings That we're here before we were, and that they are here to protect those of us who are truly believers of this God.
	Alright.
	There are a million stories like that, Kathleen.
	People who have had encounters of all sorts that they don't regard at all as demonic.
	No, in fact they come off very positive.
	Exactly.
	There are a lot of stories about healings and And benevolence and so forth.
	They don't have the disparity there of, oh geez, that was a horrible experience.
	You're going to see a lot of that.
	In fact, I really think that you're going to see these UFOs and the creatures in them have a cure for AIDS.
	I think you're going to see that.
	I think they're going to come and they're going to win your friendship.
	But you know, you don't catch flies with vinegar, you know?
	Um, so it'll all be a deception.
	Yes.
	It is all now a deception.
	It is.
	And you know, Julia said they went down into the earth.
	Yes.
	Most theologians believe hell is in the center.
	I know, I know.
	And that's where the ships are going, so.
	Alright.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, you're on the air.
	My name's Chris.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm calling east of the Rockies.
	Good morning, Art and Kathleen.
	Hi, Chris.
	The show has kind of gone off in a slightly different direction but earlier in the show you were talking about the three days of darkness.
	Sure.
	First of all I'd like to say I enjoy listening to your show Art but I can't help but think that there's a contradiction between the three days of darkness and God will punish all and then about 15-20 minutes later in the conversation it turned into We send ourselves to our own destiny, and am I just calling, knowing what kind of people might be listening, and I'm corrupted with Antichrist DNA?
	Or, I've also noticed that now it's turned to more of an alien belief, and I'm just kind of curious.
	Okay, so he's a contradiction.
	Yeah, and I think it's all interrelated.
	All of this is so complicated that every piece belongs to the puzzle.
	And it's not going to be a perfect picture yet.
	We don't have the whole glimpse, but it's all related.
	Yes, we do condemn ourselves by our actions, but God is going to clean house.
	There's no doubt about it.
	It's just that we're the ones with the brooms.
	Right.
	We're the brooms.
	I mean, we're going to get it one way or the other.
	No, I was just curious as to... That's fairly clear to me.
	In other words, God will cause a judgment and the judgment we will make ourselves, sir.
	Okay.
	That seems clear to me.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Steve in Dallas.
	I'm listening to you on the internet.
	Yes.
	Hi, Steve.
	Yeah, I don't mean to... I mean, I'm not trying to discredit her or anything, but... Say what you want to say.
	I have to ask about Adam and Eve.
	The strange thing is, is that, you know, in seven days or whatever, God created everything.
	Or was it five?
	Well, I think it was six, and He rested on the seventh day.
	But in those days, He, after creating the trees and the earth and everything else around it, then He created man with these animals.
	But the strange thing is, is that In fact, you have fossils of dinosaurs and things that lived millions, perhaps billions of years before us.
	That's right.
	You know, I'm always open to something else, like maybe Satan put those fossils there, but... No, no, no.
	They were here.
	I mean, the Earth was here thousands, hundreds of thousands of years before man was.
	And you had creatures like the Cro-Magnon and whatever, and they were here, but they did not develop into Adam and Eve.
	Creation belief is that God did create two human beings with souls.
	There were beings beforehand that didn't have souls, but Adam and Eve, they were given a soul.
	And the creation process of the birds and whatever was over a thousand years per day, according to the Bible.
	As you would believe, Kathleen, that animals do not have souls?
	I think they do.
	And I think St.
	Francis believed that.
	And from what I have seen in research, they do go to heaven.
	Well, you know, that sounds great.
	What about, though, people that live off the Amazon or places that have never been touched by the Christian religion, people that have never been taught these things?
	What about their souls?
	How do you think they would react when they saw this gleaming cross in the sky?
	Steve, I think they're touched by God in their own way, and I think God treats them As fairly as he treats anybody else.
	He loves them as much as he does everybody else.
	All right.
	Well, thank you for answering my question.
	All right.
	Well, thanks for asking it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Gabriel in Colorado.
	How are you both this evening?
	Hi, Gabriel.
	Well, Art, it sounds like you're a little disturbed by this, possibly.
	And I think that anybody would with any common sense.
	But Kathleen.
	I have to ask you something, you being a Roman Catholic, and I'm Catholic myself.
	Okay.
	Number one, you were taught, if I'm not mistaken, if you're old enough to remember the traditional Tridentine Mass, the High Mass and all the truth, before the Popes, before Pope John XXIII and the 6th and now Pope John II, they're all in contradiction.
	And you must believe that there is no salvation out of the church that Christ gave to St.
	Peter on the rock, correct?
	Say that again.
	You must understand and believe the dogma of the church and the truth.
	Yes.
	That St.
	Peter was given by Christ.
	Yes.
	And that no one outside of the church can be saved unless they are baptized and have abjuration and so on and so forth.
	There is also baptism of desire.
	Yes, there is, but was that recent or is that old?
	That is old.
	How old?
	Clear back to the time of Christ.
	Okay, but it must be in form and so on and so forth.
	It doesn't have to be.
	There are instances where people are not technically or officially baptized, but by their desire of the Spirit to be baptized, God considers that a valid baptism.
	Yes, they say that God knows what's in a man's heart.
	That's right.
	All that's been talked about, Art, and I think you'll find this interesting about the so-called anomalies, okay?
	And everything that's been going on has been handed down by the Church for over 2,000 years.
	And any other church came about after the Reformation and Henry VIII.
	So, there's the history.
	And the Church has never hidden anything.
	The mystical body of Christ has never changed.
	Do you agree?
	But the people inside the church have changed, correct?
	The church itself, the magisterium of the church has never changed.
	Yes, the mythical body of Christ.
	Right.
	Alright, so what we have here is we have a pope right now that has written in diabolical opposition of popes before him and talking about baptism.
	Anybody that studies this will understand exactly what's going on.
	These are demonic outward appearances, as such what you mentioned, this person showing
	up in your backyard.
	This has happened more than you know, believe me.
	These things are going on all of the time.
	Have you ever heard of the remnant?
	Yes.
	I haven't.
	Oh, all right, Art.
	I'm sorry.
	The remnant is spoken about by the Father and Christ.
	It always gets smaller when the church is attacked, and there's always a small remnant
	Some are killed off and they become saints or martyrs.
	There is a remnant forming right now.
	I thank the Father and the Holy Blessed Mother Mary that you are on this show.
	But this is all about saving souls.
	Nothing more.
	Because, as you said, the harvesting is happening right now as we speak.
	And it's that serious.
	Yes, we are at the final cross.
	Every little deed, the fallen angel Lucifer knows about everything about a man.
	He has full aegis.
	And any little defect that you have, you must pay attention to it.
	And if you don't, then you know about purgatory.
	But you have to be awfully, awfully saintly to be there.
	You can be prayed out by the saints and by others here and now, by the church militant.
	I just pray to God every day and do my rosary, Kathleen.
	And Art, I'll tell you something, you've got a wonderful show and I think you're thinking
	about this very sincerely inside your heart.
	You ought to look into this.
	I think about it all the time, sir.
	I know you do.
	I can tell.
	All right.
	Well, I appreciate your call, everybody.
	Hold on.
	We'll break here at the bottom of the hour.
	Be right back.
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	Good morning.
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	All right, here we go once again, Kathleen Keating.
	Boy, you've been hanging right in there.
	You're doing fine.
	Oh, I love it, Art.
	It's a great opportunity, and I've got to thank you for having me on the show.
	Oh, you bet.
	I hope you sell a lot of books, and I trust you will.
	When will the book be available to those who order now?
	I think April.
	Don't quote me on that, but I think April.
	If not sooner.
	They're putting a rush on this.
	They really are.
	Well, they're getting a big discount, so they're going to have to wait a little bit.
	So, April.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	I'm not a Bible scholar, but I was raised Roman Catholic.
	To an earlier reference, as far as never knowing the precise moment that the Lord will come, I do believe that was in reference to Christ Himself, but as far as the prophecies, I do believe we can know when the Antichrist is among us.
	We just would not know when Christ Himself would come to redeem those of us to be redeemed.
	Is that correct?
	He will be back at the end of the three days of darkness.
	So we are pretty much assured that we have an idea.
	We don't know the exact date.
	But we do have the signs that tell us that he's near.
	You know, you're saying we don't know the date of the return of the Lord.
	Right.
	We have an approximation.
	But we can get a pretty good idea of the coming of the Antichrist?
	Absolutely.
	And do you believe that he is alive and among us now?
	Yes, I do.
	More than that, sir.
	She saw him.
	Saw?
	I saw him.
	I missed that.
	I wish I had.
	Is this person of an age of effect?
	He's in his thirties.
	Already?
	Yes.
	Times are short.
	Yes, they are.
	Well, thank you very much and thanks again for an enlightening program.
	Alright, sir.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Good evening, Art.
	This is William from Portland.
	How are you tonight?
	Just fine.
	Good evening, Kathleen.
	Hi, William.
	How are you?
	Fine, thank you.
	I have thought about many issues I could take you to task on, but I'm going to boil it down to this.
	Considering that in the original Bible, after the time of Jesus, reincarnation was written in and removed later by man, and also through all the near-death experiences and reports of people like Daniel Brinkley, how do you reconcile that?
	What do you feel about reincarnation?
	I do not believe in it.
	I know that some Jews think that it's in the Bible.
	I think that the continuity is not there as far as the teachings of the church.
	It was messed with, as you said.
	It was in and out.
	It was at a time when there was a lot of disturbance in the church about the writings as to whether they were apostle written or not.
	No, I don't believe in it.
	I do think there are things that we don't understand.
	Well, considering all the near-death experiences, are these people having demonic visions?
	That's a really good question, actually.
	It is possible.
	I'm not an authority to say, yes, that's definitely what it is.
	But I think that we are under a deception, and some of these near-death experiences may not be accurate.
	I feel that now that a lot of the fear people are feeling is the end of the patriarchal age, A lot of the organized religions are going to be changing, and more of the power of the soul is going to be realized by individuals.
	I feel the second coming is really going to be a group thing, as opposed to just one man coming back, like Jesus.
	I suppose, I know that doesn't go with what you're saying, but... Well, everybody seems to have their own interpretation, and again, we're going to see what happens.
	Yes.
	Well, thank you very much, Art.
	Alright, take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Good morning, Miss.
	Where are you?
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm from Montreal.
	Montreal, Canada.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I want to know if there are some bishops from the U.S.A.
	who can have access to be the next Pope.
	There are several candidates for the next Pope.
	They've mentioned Cardinal in Africa, Orenze, and I mentioned before Cardinal Martini.
	But they're now talking about perhaps a bishop from Puerto Rico.
	Oh, so because I don't know.
	I think the Pope will not last the year and maybe could be replaced by somebody from the USA, I think.
	That's what I foresee.
	Is there any candidate being considered from the United States at all that you're aware of, Kathleen?
	It is possible.
	I've heard rumors that When there may be a shakeup coming in where they move the bishop or the cardinal from Puerto Rico into New York, to take that leaving cardinal's position, that he may be one of the more primary candidates.
	But that's just speculation at this point.
	Really interesting though.
	George Washington had a vision that he did see a cardinal heading this country, and it may be that he saw the pope that follows John Paul II.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	This is Bill in Burbank again.
	Art, how are you doing?
	Okay, Bill, you're going to have to yell at us.
	You're not going to be loud.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'll talk a little bit louder.
	I've been listening to this show with much interest, but I'm confused about the Antichrist and what Jesus the Christ might have had to say about him, because I have a problem with all of the fear and And awesomeness of the whole topic tonight, because I don't remember anything attributed to Jesus that was of that flavor, that tone, that left that message, if you know what I mean.
	In all of your years of researching this and speaking with various theologians and biblical scholars, has anyone ever brought anything to your attention that could be attributed to Jesus?
	Are you referring to the Antichrist?
	Yes, I'm referring to the whole apocalyptic writings.
	Sure, Jesus said quite specifically that there would be one that would come in his place who would be readily accepted and woe to the people who accept him because they'd be better off never been born than to live in those times.
	I don't want to seem like I'm attacking your beliefs because I've learned better than that in my 50 years.
	I don't take it that way at all, Bill.
	My first exposure to Christianity was at an early age in a particular variety where the
	Old Testament and the King James Version as well as the New Testament was accepted as
	biblical, inspired truth.
	We tried to follow all of the, even the Levitical laws if you can believe that.
	I was taught in that particular form of Christianity that the Pope was the Antichrist.
	I'm sure this is not new to you.
	I no longer have that feeling or belief, but I'm just saying that because I think that Christianity is its own worst enemy, and that it's really not so much a separate, full-blown, stand-alone, no prehistory kind of a thing as it is just a heresy of Judaism, because this God that's going to be doing all of these terrible things to people that are foolish enough to have backslidden or to have doubted or to have failed to turn on a TV and be saved, that was the God of Abraham who was just like the
	A Jewish tribal war god.
	And you think he's changed?
	I believe that because of the fact that what we call Christianity became accepted by then the largest single empire in the world, the Roman Empire, that this one particular heretical sect gained in popularity and exposure and control and power.
	the impetus of the biggest empire in the world at that time behind it,
	and consequently it has spread so far and so wide that it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	I mean, Christians deserve hell for much of what Christianity has undoubtedly and undeniably done in its own
	name.
	It's an interesting point of view, Kathleen.
	It is.
	It is.
	I don't think that this Pope is the Antichrist at all, but I do think that we will see the Pope, the anti-Pope usher, in the Antichrist.
	And I do think that the Church has spread to the point, and it's been infiltrated to the point, that it's become convoluted and it's not the true Church that it should be.
	Inherently it is, but there are aspects of it that have gotten way out of line.
	You sound so much like Father Malachi.
	We agreed on this particular subject.
	Obviously.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi.
	Yes, I'm Nancy Collin from Portland.
	Yes.
	And I find it interesting in the conversations that you spoke about the rapture, and I believe that the rapture will occur before the seven year tribulation period.
	Right.
	And I believe in what the Old Testament refers to as the day of the Lord, or the judgment falling as the rapture occurs.
	Where we'll be snatched up in a twinkling of an eye.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	And that people will, for whatever reason, whether it be UFOs or whatever, will not realize what has happened to thousands, hopefully millions of people, that will just disappear.
	And that the Antichrist will show himself three and a half years into the seven year tribulation period.
	Do you know of scripture to support that?
	Because I'm not hearing anything in scripture to back what you're saying about not believing in a pre-tribulation or a post-tribulation rapture.
	Well, I mentioned earlier, and perhaps you didn't hear this or I didn't state it quite well enough, the belief that I follow with the rapture is that it will start pre-tribulation, right after the warning.
	It will continue on through the three days of darkness.
	So technically, it's a pre- and post-tribulation.
	It's just going to be running all the time, until the end, when Jesus comes back.
	Yes, I believe that people still can be saved after the rapture.
	Yes, absolutely, until the last second.
	Definitely.
	Absolutely.
	But they have to know that the only way they can be saved is through the belief of Jesus Christ, in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.
	There's only one doorway, and that's Jesus.
	That is Jesus.
	That's right.
	And that is just the point that I wanted to call on today.
	That's going to leave an awful lot of people outside the door.
	But we're all going to be given that opportunity to see that's why he is the door, so that we have a chance to choose.
	And it includes the Jews and the Muslims and the atheists.
	Everybody's going to have, hey, maybe we got it wrong, or let's look at what's going to happen here.
	God doesn't want anybody to go to hell, no matter what the denomination is.
	Gotcha.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Can you hear me?
	I hear you fine.
	All right.
	This is Mark calling from Southern Maryland, listening to you on the Big Talker, WPHT, 1210 AM from Philadelphia.
	Yes, sir.
	It's a monster of a signal.
	And I would like to make three points very quickly.
	The first is I keep hearing about no one knowing the time.
	And I believe the scripture accurately of Kathleen will back me up on this, is that of the day and the hour, no one will know the time, not even the angels in heaven.
	But of the time and the season, I would not have you unaware that he describes a number of prophecies and says that just like when you see the clouds and say it's going to rain, you'll know that the time is at hand when you see these things.
	Is that not correct?
	That's in the book of Matthew.
	But I often hear it misquoted as, no one is supposed to know.
	The second point, the young man who called you earlier, and you said that the young men would dream dreams.
	I believe that.
	Correctly is that your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, which was what he was talking about, and your old men will dream dreams.
	I think it applies to all of us.
	I think so.
	Lastly, the word Christ is often used like a last name or a title, but that's a Greek word that's not often defined that describes an anointing which means Absolutely.
	total saturation and the description in the Old Testament of that Christ anointing is
	that which removes burdens and destroys yokes and has dynamic power and so would not the
	Antichrist be then one that comes with dynamic power to place burdens on and to yoke people?
	Absolutely, he will chain us if we want to be chained.
	That about covers my point.
	I'm really looking forward to my copy of your book.
	Well, thanks, Mark.
	I appreciate it.
	And thanks for the show, Art.
	Take care, sir.
	You bet.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen.
	Hi.
	Hi, Miss Keating.
	Hi, Art.
	Good show.
	Thank you.
	I've got a question for you, Miss Keating.
	Every time I ask somebody of any religious denomination, they look at me with a very nasty look and walk away.
	Okay.
	I can't see you, so maybe you can win on this one.
	I'm hoping I can.
	I'm sure you've heard the phrase, history is written by the victors.
	How do we know God was the good guy in the war between Lucifer and God?
	All we have is his side of the story.
	You have Lucifer's side of the story.
	You've got Lucifer's side here on Earth.
	You can see the way it's going.
	Okay.
	I can sort of see where you're going with that, but that sort of goes towards what people will often say when they're trying to dismiss that.
	We don't know if he really does have our best interest at heart.
	How do we know that the person who won, who we know is God, is the one who is truly looking for our best interest in that?
	Well, if you don't believe it now, I think you will believe it in the morning, because God is going to make it abundantly clear, and again in the miracle, as to who is who and why and why, so that there will be no doubts.
	In fact, there will be many, many healings that will occur with the miracle, so that people that have been sick all their lives do not make a choice For God or the Antichrist, because they're encumbered with an illness, for instance.
	It's all going to become very apparent.
	Personally, having been all my life told as a Christian, I can't remember which denomination I was taught in when I went to private school when I was younger, taught that we were put here to praise God.
	Maybe it's just my 20-year-old defiant side, but if I was created to praise something, I'm not going to go with either of them.
	I'm not going to go with the Antichrist or Satan, and I'm not going to go with God.
	The question of is it better to serve in heaven or reign in hell doesn't apply to me, because I don't agree with either.
	Kathleen?
	Sometimes our egos get in the way, and they become our gods, and so if you don't know God, and you find Him in your ego, and you create a God in your own right, then you've made your choice.
	You've made your own choice.
	You've made it for yourself.
	And God is such a giving entity that self doesn't enter into the equation because he takes care of you.
	You don't have to worry about self anymore.
	Why were we given these egos that we have to sublimate?
	We're all given challenges one way or another.
	I think the egos are tainted through living.
	First on caller line, you're on air with Kathleen Keating.
	Hi, my name is Marla and I'm from Spokane, Washington.
	Welcome.
	And I can't believe I'm still up.
	I'm usually Peter out about one o'clock.
	I'm what you would call a traditional Catholic.
	I've been going to Latin Masses since I was a little girl and I've been hearing about the rain of fire and three days of darkness and all since I was a little girl.
	And I guess I've always dealt with it as, you know, like the big earthquake that's going to come and it never quite comes.
	And so I guess that's why I've been up listening to this.
	It's like, gee, my mother's been telling me this for years.
	And it's interesting to address the alien issue because I've always had a hard time trying to decide, okay, because it sounds like as I listen to Art Bell, as I drive home from work, that they may come to a point real soon that they're going to say, yes, there definitely are aliens.
	I think you're going to see that very soon.
	I think within the year.
	And I find because I've been a very strong Catholic, I mean I honestly go to like the Latin Masses.
	I haven't been to an English Mass ever.
	Well you're a lot safer than those that have.
	So I found myself really having a hard time dealing with aliens and when you said okay they are diabolical, I thought Okay, in my heart of hearts, that's what I've always thought.
	And I thought, well, okay, maybe they aren't, because I hear these people say that.
	But it also makes you doubt your religion.
	It makes you doubt God.
	That's the whole idea behind it.
	And I think that's the whole idea behind it.
	And so it's kind of like, okay, now I understand it a little bit more.
	I mean, my husband I totally believe in this sort of thing.
	And reincarnation, I don't believe in reincarnation either.
	It doesn't square with the Catholic religion.
	Hon, I'm sorry to have to break it off, but we are out of time.
	Kathleen, it has been amazing having you on tonight.
	Thanks for the chance, Art.
	I can say.
	And your book is called The Final Warning, and the phone number to get that at an incredibly, what, 50% discount?
	More than 50%, I think.
	More than 50%.
	What is the number again? 1877.
	620-2665.
	All right.
	Kathleen, thank you, and I'm sure we'll do this again.
	Thank you, Art.
	Good night.
	God bless.
	All right, folks.
	That's it for tonight.
	Tomorrow night, we're going to have Dr. Klatz here, along with a colleague from, I believe, Harvard.
	And we're going to be talking about eternal life, or what may be eternal life.

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