Kathleen Keating joins Art Bell to discuss The Final Warning, a book co-authored with Father Malachi Martin warning of a demonic-driven cataclysm involving UFOs, a comet "like another sun," and three days of darkness. She ties sightings—including the Phoenix Lights (1997), Marceline’s ice ring (2024), and Fresno’s saucer—to biblical prophecies like La Salette, claiming the Antichrist’s rise will be enabled by a Vatican coup and altered Catholic doctrine. Keating insists salvation hinges on Christ alone, dismissing reincarnation, while listeners debate psychic attacks, divine judgment, and whether UFOs could be demonic or deceptive forces. The episode blends eyewitness accounts with apocalyptic warnings, suggesting 2024 may mark humanity’s last spiritual harvest before chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is a good one.
Listen, here's the press release.
Judge Gives UFO group its day in court.
In a stunning and surprising defeat for the government and its proponents of secrecy, a U.S. District Court judge in Phoenix, Arizona rebuked a Department of Defense attempt to deny a group of UFO activists the opportunity to argue its case in court.
In the federal lawsuit, Citizens Against UFO secrecy cause versus the Department of Defense of Judge Stephen M., it would be M-C-N-A-M-E-E, at me or something, ignoring the government's plea to dismiss the case outright, set February 7th at 10 a.m. for arguments on the adequacy of the government's search for information about an unusual aerial object.
Specifically triangular in shape, because I saw it.
Though cause, which had brought the lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act in 1999, submitted numerous affidavits, one of those would have been mine, from witnesses who had observed the aerial object, the Department of Defense continues to maintain that it could find no information confirming the existence of the object.
The aerial object, seen at tree top level by many of the eyewitnesses, is described in court papers as the size of a football field, triangular in shape, with the ability to hover, and is virtually soundless.
The hearing is open to the public, and after finally batting his head against brick walls for years now, one of the bricks just came loose.
So in other words, the judge is, which you probably expected to just throw the whole thing out summarily, instead has said, uh-uh, let's hear some arguments.
So that means what?
It means you get to go into court and present the affidavits that you have?
Well, I go into court on Monday and argue that the Department of Defense's search was not reasonable, that a reasonable search would have found the documents that we're after.
And as part of my arguments, I will once again put forth the affidavits that were submitted as part of my opposition to the motion.
And hopefully, in court will be many of those witnesses that have seen the triangular object, at least the Phoenix lights in 1997.
I wonder, did you happen to catch the reaction of the other side, or were they not physically there when the judge ruled that he wanted to hear the arguments?
No, they submitted their request in written papers stating as the same U.S. attorney did in the Army lawsuit, which was dismissed summarily without argument.
They said, listen, there's no basis for argument.
The facts are clear on its face.
Read the papers and dismiss it.
Do not give them the opportunity to argue this in court.
Or if they're listening in Phoenix, what if they just want to look, they don't have a computer, they want to go to the phone book to find out where or whatever.
And you'd like to have people show up, obviously, to view this, to show interest, to impress the court with the fact that a lot of people are interested, huh?
All right, we have to cover a lot in a short time, and a lot of it's very important.
The announcement you just heard from Peter Gerston, again, congratulating him.
He'll be in court Monday morning.
And finally, we'll get to you.
And this is no trivial matter, folks.
What I saw clearly indicates that either we have anti-gravity technology or these are craft from elsewhere.
Either way, it's a gigantic story.
And some of it, or at least the plea for it to be heard, is going to unfold in court on Monday morning.
Certainly a non-trivial announcement.
And now, from one of the places that monitors reports of this kind of thing, we've got Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
That's that place.
And Peter is a well-known personality on the program, but just in case you don't know who he is, that's what he does.
I was listening to the program before I just came on here, and he's really to be congratulated.
He's been pursuing that for years and decades, as he said.
And as he was speaking and you were talking with him, it occurred to me that we ufologists really have only three conduits to the proof of UFOs with regard to the government's position with them, or with regard to the government's position on the subject.
It occurs to me that the American public can always help us by feeding us reports and citing information and so on and so forth, but that's really not going to break down the walls of government.
The other conduit we have is high-elected officials, and I think in this case we're probably talking about the President of the United States.
Nobody else seems to know anything about it, or at least they profess that.
And we may be talking about that later in the program if we have time.
I think that's a fertile ground for discussion.
And a lot of people have proposed, and I think rightfully so, that this is the year that we should bring pressure to bear on some of these candidates, many of whom, of course, are coming from states where there have been dramatic UFO sightings.
Texas, of course, Arizona, and so on.
But the third conduit we have, and Peter is to be congratulated on pursuing this one so aggressively, and that is the courts.
The courts that can perform magic, if they wish to, on the basis of good, solid evidence.
I would hope there would be very few of them, but I hope that the courts are as independent from the political process as we like to think is the case.
This could turn out to be the sort of the lynchpin of modern-day ufology that starts the government reeling in, if not defeat, at least reeling in search of some adequate way to share the UFO phenomenon with the American people.
Peter's really done a fantastic job.
He deserves everyone's support.
And those people who may have seen the triangles over Phoenix or Arizona generally on the 13th of March 1997, I hope they're down at that courtroom.
There are dozens of names I could cite, but I know there are a lot of people there who saw those things and could give a lot of support to Peter's effort.
Yeah, last week we were talking about Bigfoot, really not my specialty, not my Bailey Wick at all.
But Monday morning, another incident.
This is in central Missouri, Marceline, Missouri.
That's north-northwest of Columbia.
It's due west of Hannibal, Missouri, which is on the river, of course, Mississippi River.
Monday morning, gentleman woke up early in the morning, I think 5.30, 6 o'clock in the morning, and he looked out on his one to two acre pond on his property, and he was riveted, apparently, by what he saw in the surface ice of the pond.
The pond had about two to four inches of surface ice on it.
What he saw from his picture window in Marceline, Missouri, was, first of all, and almost unnoteworthy, was a large hole in the ice.
He sees a hole, but what is more interesting than that, Art, is he could see, even though there was a light coating of snow on the ice, he could see major cracks radiating out from this hole an estimated 12 to 15 feet.
But even more interesting than that hole in the ice or the major cracks radiating out from it was a very pronounced ring, ring that surrounded the hole in the ice at a distance of about 30 or 35 feet in radius, and it was perfectly circular.
What had happened, apparently, is not only had the ice melted during the preceding night or early in the morning, but it had actually melted the snow that was covering the ice, leaving a very pronounced ring, just like a racetrack, in the ice.
And in the snow, to their great credit, they kept people away from the ice.
Nobody was allowed to walk out on it to preserve the data.
One of the people that I was hoping to have on tonight with us to describe the scene was the fire chief of that town.
He was not able to do it in the final analysis.
But we will get photographs up to your website in the photographs.
Of course, the property owner, very astute gentleman, quickly grabbed his camera, and as soon as there was enough daylight, he got very good photos of it, I'm told.
Of course, they presumed that the meteorite had burrowed through the ice or had melted its way through, and then the residual heat from this hot rock had melted a ring of...
In point of fact, what many of them, perhaps all of them, did not realize is that almost invariably, a fragment from a meteorite is not hot.
It is cold.
In fact, it is very cold because the ambient background temperature of the universe, of the space around the planet Earth, is about four degrees above absolute zero.
And that's what leads most people to assume that a fragment of meteorite will be extremely hot.
An analogy I would use, however, to illustrate this point is, for example, Apollo 13, or in point of fact, any capsule coming back from space.
You know, they have heat shields that burn away.
They evaporate.
The process is called ablation, of course.
And anybody who's seen the film, Apollo 13, knows that those capsules come back in an envelope of flame and ionization, but of course the contents are safely insulated, thermally insulated from that heat shield.
In point of fact, if this was a meteor, it could not have melted the ice around that ring.
It probably more likely would have frozen water around it and perhaps even floated to the surface.
I have no idea, no personal experience with what happens to a cold meteorite when it hits water.
But whatever caused this is extremely strange, and it is reminiscent of a similar event that occurred, I think, in the Charles River near Boston.
I'm going on memory now.
I think it was about six or eight years ago.
In fact, it made the cover of the MUFON Journal.
It was the feature article.
People found a very peculiar, perfectly symmetrical, perfectly round, melted ring that had refrozen in the Charles River.
This is very reminiscent of that art, and a lot of people are working on it.
The local newspaper there in Marceline, Missouri, has done an article.
By the way, for those of you in the press, wanting to contact Peter Gerston, I Know there's going to be a lot of press activity about this.
I use that same number, but between 9 and 5, please, that same phone number to get hold of Peter Gerston, 480-480-609-9120.
During business hours, please.
So we're just breaking the ice all over the place.
Sorry for the pun, but that's it.
Peter Gerston with his foot through the door in the courtroom against the feds versus the feds, and now Peter Davenport with the ice in Missouri that, well, we don't know.
That's just it.
We don't know.
We don't know what happened.
Peter, there's more.
I got a report, and I said I should fax this to you, and you already knew about it.
You were a step ahead of me, but it looked like an important report to me.
Something about a triangle and a couple little girls.
Apparently, somewhat serious-minded program or coverage, news coverage of these, I think it was two young girls who had been outside and saw something, a triangle with some very peculiar lights on it, somewhat reminiscent of the triangle that was seen by the police officers that we reported on the 6th of January.
I know some of our listeners will probably recall.
I probably haven't ever mentioned that on this program, but August of 92, I was sitting on a deck up in Seattle looking at a relatively clear sky with puffy clouds, and I said, I was looking to the northeast.
I saw an object coming through the clouds.
I am an inveterate airplane watcher.
I've been addicted to aviation since conception, I think, with fighter pilots on one side of my family and airline executives on the other.
I was condemned at conception.
But this thing was coming at me.
I said, oh, an aircraft coming out of the clouds.
It wasn't an aircraft.
It was a triangle, and it had, I can't honestly say lights because I don't recall that they were lights.
It was a daytime sighting in the early evening of August of 92.
Certainly its angular velocity is really all we can discuss, but its angular velocity was considerably less than the angular velocity of an airliner at that altitude setting up for landing southbound at SeaTac Airport.
You know, we have so many hundreds of triangles on our website.
I'll be signing affidavits until long after the trial.
Peter, I hope Peter will consider going to our website, clicking on our database, clicking on triangles, chevrons, and so on, and printing out the list of hundreds.
I think we have about three or four or five hundred reports just of triangles on our website.
But that is what I saw, and I, like you, have seen the phenomenon with my own eyes.
It makes me wonder what the relationship between the few sightings I've had is and my, I guess, preoccupation with the subject of ufology.
I am intellectually trapped.
I am addicted to this subject.
I know that.
But going back to the ice circle for a moment, if I may, you know, as we broke at the bottom of the hour, you mentioned, you invited the question rhetorically, I know who's going diving after that?
But, you know, there's a little story about that film that I've heard.
I am unable to confirm it.
John Wayne, it is my understanding from this semi-rumor, I guess I have to label it, John Wayne was invited to play that role of the vegetable, let's call it, the zucchini sickle.
But he did make a recommendation for another actor in the role.
It was a gentleman whom I believe he had met in Alaska, with whom he had gone fishing.
He was his fishing guide, I believe.
Again, I can't confirm this, up in Alaska.
And his name, little known name at the time, was that of James Arness, who, of course, played the role of Matt Dillon in the television program that Hollywood has yet to improve on, in my opinion.
But they apparently, John Wayne and James Arnes, I believe, according to this story I've heard, used to talk about UFOs up in Alaska.
And apparently, James Arnes may have seen one or more up there.
And John Wayne invited him, recommended him as the actor.
And I don't know whether James Arnes had done any acting to that point, but that was close to the beginning of his very, very successful acting.
Well, for those who didn't see the thing, that's exactly what they had.
They had this big ring in the ice, and they began to dig down.
And I don't want to ruin the movie for anybody who hasn't seen it, but that was a big ring in the ice, and you could see the side is all standing around it and went from there.
You know, that brought to mind an incident that we had reported to us just about, oh, 10 or 12 days ago.
This was a very, very bizarre sighting over northeastern Fresno, California, about 9.30 p.m. on Friday night, I guess it was the 21st of January this year.
Woman went out to have last smoke for the evening.
She is a medical professional, a no-nonsense woman, and she looked up to the north and saw two intensely bright lights apparently pointed at her from the north and moving towards her.
She assumed it was an airliner with its landing lights on setting up for landing in Fresno, but it turned out to be something different, quite different, and it turned out to be below the clouds.
What I would like to do is allow this woman on this audio cut to describe in her own words what she saw.
And the interesting thing is a disc shape to the object.
You know, there have been some disc-shaped aircraft manufactured in the past, the Flying Flapjack and, I guess, a couple others, but they are not very aerodynamically efficient, is my understanding.
It is terribly difficult for me to imagine that there would be a perfectly circular aircraft in Fresno airspace, but moreover, she describes flying at relatively slow speeds.
They would have to be going pretty fast to keep themselves in the air, and I just can't imagine that there would be any kind of experimental circular craft like this flying at night over Fresno on that Friday night.
I may be proven wrong, but it was a very unusual sighting.
I invited her to quickly call the FAA flight service station in Fresno, which she did.
What we were interested in knowing is what the ceiling was, how high the bottoms of the clouds were.
The FAA, the flight service station there, reported between 4,400 and 6,000.
And so this object, which was below the clouds, was less than a mile above the ground level.
And it was a very, very peculiar object.
No other reports, only one report.
But this woman sounds like an excellent source to me.
And peculiarly, we had a somewhat reminiscent report similar to this that comes from Seattle just tonight.
Actually, after you and I had set up this appearance, my appearance tonight, I got several calls from people who live very close to the University of Washington in the Sand Point area of Seattle.
This is only about eight, at most 10 miles to the northeast, roughly, of downtown Seattle.
And people reported something truly bizarre.
I have no reason to believe at this time that it was UFO-related in the least, but I report it because we would like to know more from anyone in the Seattle area who might have seen this.
Two cigar-shaped objects.
Some people said they had wings.
Other people said clearly no wings that went very, very low to the ground.
Let me just play, if I may, a short one-minute cut of what was reported to us tonight, the 2nd of February, from northeastern Seattle.
Here we go.
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Point Way and 65th Street in Seattle.
And I was in my living room and heard such a huge roaring noise, not a something, but a very huge roaring noise, so loud that I stepped out onto my deck, at which point I saw two craft flying south-southeast.
My deck also faces south-southeast.
These two craft were flying so low and so close together, and they were both identical looking, cigar-shaped, with white flashing lights at the tip of the cigar shape, both tips, both ends of the cigar shape, and four or five lights in the center, also white but not flashing.
And above the center of each craft, there are red flashing lights above the center of each craft.
I, at first, after the first call, assumed that they were helicopters.
Sandpoint has some Coast Guard helicopters based there.
And I presumed that that was what she was looking at, but she said no, she didn't think so.
Then we started getting other calls, and people said, no way were those helicopters.
What, if they're aircraft art, what are they doing?
And these, all of these people emphasize just how closely positioned these two objects were and how bizarre they were in appearance.
What are two aircraft doing at apparently extremely low altitude, flying slowly, in very close proximity, almost frighteningly close, one person described them as, flying over a populated, densely populated area of Seattle, Washington?
Once again, in a stunning and surprising defeat for the government and its proponents of secrecy, a U.S. District Judge in Phoenix, Arizona rebuked a Department of Defense attempt to deny a group of UFO activists the opportunity to argue its case in court.
And so it's going to be argued.
It causes Peter Gerston folks.
He's going to court.
Judge is going to listen.
It's a gigantic crack in the wall.
He's going to hear arguments.
All right, coming up in a moment, boy, have I got something for you.
Her name is Kathleen Keating.
She was a friend of the late Father Malachi Martin.
And this is one I guarantee you're not going to want to miss.
coming up next.
Well, all right, I think most of the people on this program remember fondly Father Malachi Martin.
I was very close to him.
We did many, many interviews together.
Long, intricate, involved interviews.
And I talked to Father Martin on a number of occasions privately.
And he did, I've had about a million passes about this.
He did give me some information that he asked not to give it out.
And so I have not, but I was privy to some conversation with Father Martin off the air that was pretty interesting.
makes you angry huh I should blurt it out but I promised not to tell It's just that simple.
Now comes Kathleen Keating, who is an investigative journalist, a former radio talk show personality herself, who's been working on a chilling story for the past seven years.
She was also a friend of Father Malachi Martin, who was the technical advisor on two of her works called Torn Sky and The Final Warning.
Kathleen is the published author of a suspense novel, Noise of the Morning, that's with a U in there, which is based on a true government conspiracy.
The book is now under development with a production company, Torn Sky, is now under development as a major motion picture.
The world, she says, is not prepared for this movie, but it is a story that must be told.
Being released this spring is Kathleen's book, The Final Warning, Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium.
The Final Warning, she says, is our last chance.
The book details how politics, prophecy, and people collide with some sort of cataclysm that is just moments away.
You know, I was thinking when I was hearing all that news of what Father Malachi would have thought about this, because I do believe he talked to you about those lights over Phoenix when it occurred.
And I know he held his breath with that because he figured that we were headed for some real rough times if what he thought they were really were, if you know what I mean.
And I think you're going to see that.
I think you mentioned a crack in the wall, Art.
My research has shown that you're going to see the whole wall come tumbling down.
And he had such, I don't know, a plethora of information that everybody needed to know.
But as you know, in your private conversations, I'm sure, you can't release that stuff.
It's just so heavy.
He didn't like to alarm people.
And some of those things that he and I discussed are certainly beyond alarming.
And I think it's facing humanity now.
And I think that we're at the point probably because of Father Martin's death, we need to get this out.
He was a major source for this.
And I think it's time that with the UFOs and whatever they are and whoever is flying them and so forth and whatever the government is doing with the tie-in there, we need to get it out.
I was approached with some information that I took to Father Martin, and his answer to me was, you fool that art, and you're going to get killed, and you're going to get me killed, too.
Well, I could start with accidents that aren't really accidents that have been happening.
But I think if I have a moment here, I'd like to preface what I'm going to say before I answer the question.
Father Martin detailed a lot of this stuff in his books and, of course, on your show art and the things that he saw for us in the future.
And because of that, we were privy to some information that we would not normally know.
And this stuff really affects each one of us to the point that nothing is going to be the same very shortly for any of us, no matter what we do.
And I guess because people need to know, and certainly because of father's death, it's time to let some of the details out of what is going to happen on the next level.
And what I mean by that is this is the time that some of those facts should be released.
Specifics that we're going to experience and why we can't escape what's coming.
Politics, prophecy, everything that's presently going on in the world.
I guess we could roll over a million things of the environment and what politically, what we think is about to happen and lots of other things in our social condition.
We discussed all those things with Father Malachi Martin.
It's a convergence of several different points that is going to alter our lives forever.
Absolutely.
It's really hard to put into a nutshell.
I think the best way to say it about part of the book and the basic thrust of it is in some of the latest prophecies, God's made it clear, either we come back to Him either out of fear or love, but we better get back to Him because we're running out of time.
Things that are going on here on earth, we're not handling it very well.
Kids are killing kids.
Drugs are rampant.
And there's an undertone, an undercurrent to all that's going on.
Things are being manipulated, as you know well with the weather.
So then we could think of time accelerating while we're moving at about the same pace and we're getting less done with an apparent reference to that speed of time.
Pope Paul VI said that, I think, in 1972, he had talked about the smoke of Satan had crept through a fissure in the Vatican.
And I thought when I first found that out that he was talking metaphorically, that he was actually talking about flesh and blood.
And it's what I've uncovered in those investigations regarding that topic is just phenomenal, just phenomenal.
The church is going under massive changes.
I think from what I was told yesterday, we're going to see massive changes throughout the United States in regard to the Mass, in regard to how we practice the Catholic faith.
And it's becoming more Protestantized, more just actually, they're removing God from the equation.
They've been manipulating, and I say they, I'd say the darker forces that are in the Vatican to whom, you know, they were focusing their attention against Pope John or Pope Paul VI, and that's why he spoke out about it.
You're seeing a lot of the occult and communism and masons getting into the Vatican for a purpose.
And I guess I was surprised doing the political side of this research to find out that I knew that we were targets of Russia, you know, Canada, United States.
But first, they're going into the infrastructure of the church, which will in turn end up being a universal church, as Gorbachev has talked about in his One World Religion, which is really an oxymoron.
Can you ever imagine an atheist professing to have religion?
So you're saying they're going to take the Catholic Church and use it as a centerpiece for a conversion to a single world worship, to go with a single world government, no doubt.
And they went whizzing by every single environmental concern, every political roadblock, anything you could imagine that would have stopped them from doing the partnership they wanted to do in getting that observatory where they did.
But wouldn't the church's position, Kathleen, be that a return of God would not be marked by, oh, I don't know, things coming from space, whether they'd be errant rocks, bolides, spaceships, or anything else, that God would have his own way of coming.
It would have nothing to do with something you could see through a telescope.
Hold the answer to that.
We're at the top or bottom of the hour.
We'll be right back.
I'm Marpell.
And you're listening to Post to Post AM.
My guest is Kathleen Keating.
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This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
One being Torn Sky being actually under development as a major motion picture right now, but at the moment we're talking about the final warning, and we'll be right back.
What we're going to see soon, I truly believe from what prophecy has said and from what I found out as far as the governments are concerned, we're going to see a comet that's going to appear as though there's another sun in the sky.
And the problem with this, and this is why the observatory is there in Arizona, is the fact that scientists have underestimated the speed of this comet that's barreling down on us.
I have sources within those, well, let's say scientific communities that have pretty much told me that, yeah, it's there, but what are you going to do?
It's out there too far.
It's not going to hurt us for a long time.
And you've got the prophets now that are saying, oh, yes, it's going to hurt us.
I had an unusual experience, and it was unfortunate, but in a way, I'm glad it happened.
I was doing some research into the identity of the Antichrist, and had spent probably several months on it, and talking to people that were close to a man that over 500 prophets agree is the Antichrist.
And one morning, my dog woke me up rather strangely, early, early, early in the morning, and I stumbled to the back door to let her out.
And I looked like Bozo the clown.
My red hair was sticking up and everything, and in the worst pajamas possible.
And I opened the door, and there was this man in the backyard.
And he was walking back and forth.
And it was just, you know, I was taken aback because I wasn't expecting to see anybody.
I was not fit for visual consumption at that point.
And my dog went down the stairs and looked at this guy, and she froze.
She's a vicious attack dog, kind of, you know, with the barking, and she never lets anybody near the house.
She couldn't bark.
She froze with one leg up in the air.
And she tried to move.
You could tell she was trying to move, but she couldn't move.
And the reason that he didn't say anything else, I found out later from this woman who was referring to a writer in England who was writing on the same serious subject matter as I was.
And at this particular venture, the man knocked on her door.
And he was accompanied by a guy dressed in Army fatigues.
They had both gotten out of a beamer that was parked at her curb.
I think she was in London.
And she opened the door, and she was startled by the guy.
And the guy dressed in the fatigues turned to this man, who was dressed again in terrific clothing.
Go ahead, the door is open.
And the suave gentleman looked at the Army guy and said, I can't get in.
And the guy said, of course you can get in.
The door is open.
And he said, no, I can't.
And then he turned to the woman and said, how would you like a better life?
I would like to give you a much better life than you're used to.
I never, other than the Christopher Walken series of movies, which I've watched diligently, including Prophecy 3, which is great.
You've got to see it when it looks.
I never thought that it was that direct.
I always thought it was more subtle, that the deals that people made with the dark side, with the devil, with a Christ, with all that's dark, were more subtle than that.
It's like a private wishful thing between that person and the dark side, a kind of a deal that gets struck.
So do you think that this man who was in your backyard, who walked into thin air, do you think that if you had engaged him in conversation, you would have been offered the same deal?
That's where ufology sort of begins to mix in with, oh, I don't know, sort of a general unspecified spiritualism and traditional Catholicism and the kind of stuff you're talking about right now.
But it really, a harvesting of souls isn't all off the mark, is it?
And with the UFOs and people talking about the rapture, you don't have to be too on top of it to see what's going to happen.
You've got the Protestants saying we're all going to be raptured.
You've got the UFOs that are basically transports that people are looking at.
And I do believe that they're out there.
I don't believe they come from another planet.
I do believe they are demonic in nature.
And I think that these UFOs are going to facilitate the Antichrist plan in his takeover because they can manipulate, they can do wonders in the heavens as the Bible proclaims will happen.
You know, even in the early 1800s at La Salette, France, those visionaries were told that all the prodigies in the sky would be performed by these UFOs.
I talked to Professor Leo Springl last night, and he kind of took on the work of another who has said that these beings are in fact, he didn't say demonic, demonic was not the word used, but not friendly, not interested in our best interests.
Called the threat by Dr. Jacobs, and last night the professor took him on and felt that that was just a matter of perception, that they, in fact, are interested.
The whole concept of the movie is that everything around us, everything we see and do and feel and touch and interact with every day, is not the real world.
I probably should have issued this earlier, but I feel compelled to do so now.
What you're listening to tonight is religious prophecy, and it's pretty scary stuff.
So, if this kind of thing drives you into feeling very disturbed, you might not want to listen.
If you have small children around, even though you shouldn't at this hour, you might not want to have them listen.
Having said that, we will continue in a moment.
Kathleen Keating is my guest.
Stay right there.
All right, I've said this before, and I want to say it again.
I am not a prophet.
I am a talk show host.
That's all I am.
Don't think of me as anything more.
I'm a talk show host.
However, based on what I've been able to see years ago, I wrote a book called The Quickening.
It got on the New York Times bestseller list.
It was about our world today.
And when I say today, I mean though it was written several years ago today.
That everything is speeding up toward an event.
That was the core story of The Quickening.
And you can still get that book, by the way.
It details our social behavior, our environmental problems, our business situation, our world government.
It details every aspect of human endeavor these days, just about, and explains to you that we are going through a process of a quickening, time, in effect, speeding up.
Years later, just recently, I wrote another book with Whitley Striber called The Coming Global Superstorm, and it's on the New York Times bestseller list right now, by the way.
Is that power being felt in the world now at every level, from the lowly, the talk show host, to the world leader to the President of the United States, the leader of Russia, whoever that is today?
But what if the Pope really wasn't dead, but they claimed he was?
Then they could supposedly have a conclave of the cardinals and an election of a new pope whom I believe, and many people believe, will be the anti-pope.
I mean, inherently maybe they are to some extent, but not to the point of saying to all Catholics, okay, we were wrong about birth control, go ahead and use it.
This guy was sent to seminary so that he would become a priest and work at the destruction of the church within.
And obviously there were 1,024 people ahead of him doing the same thing.
He was given a number, and I'm sure that there were dozens of more priests put in after him.
But he had worked years and years and years at reforming the Mass, the language of the Mass.
He wrote many encyclicals.
He was instrumental in Vatican II.
And he was in a car accident, a serious car accident, when he was on the verge of forming Vatican III, which is going to be the final total change of dogma in the Catholic Church.
And I still expect to see it.
But this man was in an automobile accident, and his manuscript of everything that he had done to undermine the Catholic Church and the Catholic people was in that car, and a nurse got a hold of it who took care of him before he died.
And she published it.
And her name's Marie Curie, C-A-R-R-E.
And it is just an eye-opener.
The man talked about the changes in the church, taking the tabernacles out of the sacristy and moving them to a less known place.
The destruction of the altars, moving another altar in that looks more like a table, telling people they don't need to go to confession, they don't need the sacraments, that, you know, God understands.
And what they were doing, he and the communists that were involved in this, was to take the holiness and the reverence for God out so that it was more like, do what you want to do.
If you don't want to go to Mass on Sunday, pick another day of the week.
It's good to be out in the country on Sunday doing other things.
when you say getting right with God, I think about somebody in the last six minutes of an airplane headed for the ocean at terminal velocity or better knowing they're going to die.
A time when every soul will be shown exactly how they have offended God and to what degree.
this will be a time of such intense personal suffering that many will wish to die but no one will arm Is that consistent with what you have heard with regard to warnings of this?
In fact, you took the words right out of my mouth.
This warning that was told to the girls at Garabandala that would come upon us, which is due any time now, is going to be a time that's not just a spiritual awakening.
It's been said through prophecy that we will see how God sees us, which may not be a very pretty picture.
We will see all of our sins, and we will know during the morning, if we were to die at that instant, whether we'd go to heaven or hell, we would see the reward for our lives.
Kathleen, for many of us, it's very difficult to think of God, and this may be just modern conditioning and the new age wave that has washed over so many, probably, including myself, but it's hard to think of God as a jealous, powerful, angry, vengeful God who would do what we're talking about right now.
You're going to see a cross in the sky seven days before the warning transpires.
And I'm glad you brought this up because there's a time in there in those seven days that you can prepare yourself, your house, and any animals that you may have.
You're going to see birds and small animals disappearing before the warning happens.
And we're going to feel a sense at that time, Art, in that week beforehand, that something spiritual is really going to take place, something like what you're anticipating, that major event.
This is going to be it.
It's going to be at a time that the day of the warning, it'll happen about dawn.
I went through an earthquake that lasted about 40 seconds along with my wife not long ago, close, very close epicentered, very close to where we are here.
And it was the single most terrifying earthquake I've been through.
It says, what to do for protection during the three days.
As soon as you perceive the disturbed signs of the very cold night, go inside, shut and lock all doors and windows, pull down the shades, keep doors and windows well covered.
Go and stay away from doors and windows.
Do not look out.
Do not go outside for any reason.
Do not talk to anyone outside.
Anyone who looks or goes out will die immediately.
The wrath of God is holy, and he does not want us to see it.
Light your blessed candles.
All will be black.
The only thing which will give light will be blessed wax candles.
Even these will not burn in the houses of the godless and scoffers.
Once lit, nothing will put them out in the houses of the believers.
Be sure to keep a supply of blessed wax candles in your home.
Holy water to be sprinkled freely about the house, especially the doors and windows.
Bless yourself and others with it.
Drink it.
Anoint your senses with it.
Your hands, feet, and forehead.
Keep a sufficient supply of food, water, and blankets, and so forth.
Now, again, that's the three days of darkness, but there are similar warnings attached to the great warning that it's due.
The warning will come before the three days of darkness, and then the miracle, and then the three days.
So the warning, yes, you do need to go inside.
You need to lock your doors and windows.
You need to cover them with plastic so that if the glass breaks, it won't fly in, and then there'll be bad dust from the comet and so forth that's highly flammable.
Another thing that isn't mentioned there is that demons will start appearing during this time.
There have been visionaries that have written extensive documents on hell.
They've been permitted to see it.
And the torture that goes there is just incredible.
You know, you would think that people like Hitler that ended up there, I mean, this one author or seer has talked about it, that he is punished even more in hell because of all the people he killed that went to heaven.
There's that kind of, it's, and that's what we're dealing with the Antichrist.
There is so much evil that we as human beings cannot comprehend.
Well, this must be really bringing out the best in some of you.
I've got a fax here from Stephen.
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My friends shaking hands Said how do you do They're really saying I love you I hear fingers grow I watch them grow They're like much more And I'll never know And it reads as follows.
Recalling what Don Juan taught Carlos Castaneda, that we are energy, spiritual beings, that this physical universe is effectively a shared illusion that we learn and learn to maintain from our lifetime of interaction with others.
We grow into it.
Therefore, we believe it to be the sum total of reality, never questioning it, never seeking beyond it.
Yes, like in The Matrix.
Is it possible that what was unseen will become seen?
It refers to our collective awakening to a new level of spiritual awareness.
We won't see it until we believe it.
Is it possible that an Antichrist is the catalyst that shall bring about this new spirituality and that it is according to God's plan, a very complex plan of which we can only perceive pieces?
I find it very difficult to believe that the Creator is a poor chess player.
I don't think, I think, you know, people say that God sends people to hell.
He doesn't.
We send ourselves that realization of that perfect being, the truth and the light.
It's all right there.
His life is there for us to see, and we are exposed, and we become so ashamed at our lies and whatever we do on earth that we run towards hell because we've just messed up with God.
Did you, again, here I go off to my movie parallels, but there was a movie about a woman who thought that Judgment Day was coming, and she took her son out into the desert.
My name is Chris, and I'm in Long Beach, California.
And I'm someone that has traveled the world.
I have lived a very fortunate life as the son of a very wealthy man.
And I attribute most of my knowledge about life because of my travels.
And I've concentrated when I travel to study people and the way we live and to study our relationship with the earth.
And something unique about my life, which has been increasing over the past year, are clairvoyant experiences that I've never shared with anyone except Linda Howe outside of my own family.
And this includes also healing animals, pets in the neighborhood, freeing them from disease.
And it's nothing that I can control.
It's something that something happens to me.
I know it's something I should do.
And I see an injured animal and I do it.
Or I'll have these visions just shortly Before I wake up, of something that will happen that day, and I'm able to give exact details of an incident and tell someone in my family something that will happen to them that has prevented injury and even fires in automobiles and car accidents that happen later on in the day.
I've told about it first thing in the morning.
But the vision that is coming up constantly, very frequently, as a matter of fact, in the past two months, is I'm standing in front of masses of people who are running in fear.
I don't know what it is they're running from.
But the first time I had this vision, I saw the face of Jesus in the sky, or of God.
That's what I related it to.
And people were just in fear.
But I was standing there calm and relaxed and content.
And I myself have tried the best that I can to prepare myself for whatever it is that's going to happen that I feel is coming.
I don't know how I know about it.
It's like something's being put into my body.
Spiritually, I feel I'm transforming at a very rapid rate lately.
And it scares myself.
I just don't share it with many people, but I think the audience that you have on the radio tonight might be able to appreciate it, especially since you're not.
And I appreciate Kathleen's fortitude and boldness, and I can feel that she doesn't, it doesn't matter what happens to her, she's going to do what she's got to do.
Right, but don't we crucify Jesus every day by our actions?
Doesn't he get re-crucified?
You know, we think that God doesn't feel, because Jesus was crucified, he died and resurrected, and he's supposedly immune to all the pain and the sin that's on earth, but he's not.
He continues to feel that.
And the pain that the Eternal Father feels is to see Jesus suffer again and again with the abominations throughout the Christian churches.
It isn't just the Catholic Church that is throwing God away.
In Garibando, the girls were told that Pope John Paul II would be the last Pope.
Now, whether that means he's the last Pope before things get really ugly, or whether he's the last good pope, there will be one other pope, and his name will be Petrus Romanus.
If you look at recent events in Russia and the changing of the guard and what they now believe versus what they said they believed during the supposed end of the Cold War, they're even running a big series on CNN, the Cold War.
Now, Prophecy has said in recent years and even before Gorbachev opened his mouth that this whole thing was a setup, that they are going to come after us, and we better pay attention.
It's basically it's hard for me to sustain a foundation, a solid foundation, in a belief of a hellfire.
We're taught in the Christian religion that the wages of sin is death.
Well, you know, I've studied many, many religions from the Balinese Islands, the Taraja people, or the Celibes Highlands, Indonesia, all over the world.
And when you listen to these high priests all over the world from all different religions, they can't be ruled out.
And I firmly believe that just because of a certain tribe, like the Azmets, who still live as they did 50,000 years ago in Asia Wood, are firm in their belief system.
They have their own structure.
They're safe in their own way.
God created them.
I got into an argument with a minister once about Christian ministries going down remote river systems trying to domesticate primitive people.
Leave them alone.
That's what I was.
Now, it sounds like I'm an atheist.
I'm not.
I'm a Christian man.
But I'm also open to all other religions because they have a story, too.
I don't understand how souls, people who have firm, well-grounded beliefs, other than Christian, And the Christian Church will hate to hear this, but no organized religion has caused more social or structured damage to the planet than the Christian church.
And I don't think that God judges these people because they don't hear the gospel.
I think that he treats them the way he does everybody else.
If you live a good life, you live a good life.
But I do think that, I think unwittingly, people, missionaries or whatever, some, of course, out of a sense of duty, no matter what Christian faith it is, is to spread the news of the gospel to all corners of the earth.
But that unwitting sense in there is to fulfill prophecy.
We're almost driven subconsciously to get the news to the four corners of the earth so that God can come back.
Kathleen, we are seeing increasingly things in our skies, triangular craft, round craft that are absolutely, completely undeniable.
Aircraft, captains of large 747s have come on my program, police officers, people of all kinds of high positions have come on and told what they have seen.
And you don't believe, I mean, when you look up at the night sky, in all of creation, if you want to think of it that way, it's reasonable, even probable, that there are others.
I think their very nature appeals to people as being evil when they see them or have interaction with them.
People don't get a good sense from them.
And I think that that has spread and permeated into the sense that, oh, they must be demons.
I mentioned earlier that theologians believe they're demons and that these spaceships are part of an illusion to keep us from the history of creation, that God stepped into civilization and created Adam and Eve.
You're going to see a lot of debunking of creation that perhaps life started on another planet and we were deposited here.
Now, Kathleen, how do we separate those who are having a true mental dysfunction, a mental illness, from those who are having revelation, real revelation?
Again, going back to the rapture for a second, if you're not raptured and you're one of the ones left down here, what advice would you give those strolling around wondering where everybody went?
I'd be praying an awful lot that I could make amends fast enough to get out of here.
If not, I know that there are refuges that will be available to people.
Bands of, almost going back to the early Christian days in the catacombs, that will be living together and trying to survive the coming horrors.
So I think the best thing you can do is try to keep focused on God.
It's going to be very difficult because there's going to be a lot of...
It is purgatory on earth, and we are cleansing our sins, and as we cleanse them by whatever plague or something that we have to endure, whatever physical and emotional suffering, that expiates our sins.
And so as you expiate them, then you will be more eligible, so to speak, to be raptured.
Well, what about the old okay, but what about the old argument that it's not religion so much that's doing this as man's application of free will within that religious belief?
Well, how about that one?
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That's a stumper there, Ert.
Well, just to just continue, what I believe is that I believe the Native American people hit the nail on the head when they said, you know, we are basically all interconnected.
We are all part of one.
And I think that's what we need to realize.
And personally, I believe, well, your experiments even are, you prove that if everybody concentrates on something hard enough, we'll make it come to be.
How about we could put it off by all getting together and having positive thoughts that we start thinking of God and we all do it collectively and wham, it's put off and life gets better.
Like, I mean, how many Catholic priests have said, you know, I was out in the forest and I heard it speak to me as compared to, say, a Native American shaman?
I mean, I believe we've got to get more spiritual and less idolization.
I mean, we're worshiping idols.
Personally, the way I see it, if there truly was a God, he wouldn't care how we worshipped.
He wouldn't care that we went to church every Sunday.
I think he would be more concerned with how we lead our lives and how we try and contribute to a greater good.
But I mean, very strict dogma says all kinds of things about what will happen to you if you're not baptized, what will happen to you if you don't believe specifically and accept Christ and all the rest of it.
I think it's the target, of course, for people that want to take it over because of that money and because of their it's just incredible the power that they actually have.
What do you think the scientists are saying about the weather right now?
Here's an article from Time, in part, entitled, Wacky Weather Ahead.
December of 99 was mild.
Deceptively mild, it now seems.
For if January is any indication of what lies in store, then the winter that came in like a lamb could go out like a lion, as could many more winters that follow.
Summers could turn nastier as well, bringing more droughts to the southwest U.S. and more hurricanes to the southeast.
Why?
What do you imagine the scientists have to say here?
It goes on.
A growing number of scientists believe that a long-term climate cycle known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is showing signs of shifting gears.
The latest tantalizing hint that this may be the case comes from satellite images released last week by NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab.
The reds and the whites in the picture depict large areas where sea surface temperatures are above normal.
The blues and pinks signify colder waters.
And so forth and so on.
That's what the scientists are saying.
And they will always have something to say.
They will observe what's going on, the changes that are occurring, and they will try and come up with a reason for those changes.
That's what they're saying to Time magazine right now about the changes.
All right, back now to Kathleen Keating.
Kathleen, is there a way people can contact you internet or mail or whatever?
I got in my car with my ex-husband, and he and I started riding up the road, and I counted 42 triangular craft, and they did have a, there was a central light underneath it.
It looked, well, you would think of jet propulsion, actually.
But it was totally silent.
There was not a sound.
Well, right after that, I was in my bedroom at about 3 o'clock in the morning, and this pink light came through the window, and it went over me.
Well, it startled me.
I opened my eyes, apparently seeing some form of light.
It was in the corner of the room.
It only went over me.
And I was terrified.
I threw my blankets over my head, and something suddenly told me just be peaceful.
I stayed there for I could not tell you how long, and it drifted out of the window.
Well, out of the window, there was a circular, but Underneath, there was a pink light, it was hitting the earth, and there were figures underneath it.
Okay, nothing happened.
In 1991, I was miraculously healed in a Catholic hospital.
And they had told me that I had terminal pancreatitis.
It was acute, and I would be dead within seven days.
And a blinding white light came to me, and all I saw was a tunnel, and at the end of the tunnel was a figure which moved to the right.
All right, for the sake of brevity here, if I may, ma'am, first of all, the first thing that you described, this encounter, this close encounter, how do you characterize that?
And after that, in 1994, I saw, I would say, I think I counted 14 of these triangular shapes in the sky.
And they had a light, but they were moving up, down, left, right, in all different directions.
But they were semi-stationary.
And the reason I say I don't believe that they are demonic is that if I believe in God, and I have tremendous faith in God.
And I don't express it often.
And I mean, for me to even do it publicly is I think that since we cannot see beyond ourselves, there is definitely someone, God, whatever name you wish to place upon it, and other beings that were here before we were, and that they are here to protect those of us who are truly believers of this God.
I mean, the earth was here thousands of, hundreds of thousands of years before man was.
And you had creatures like the Cro-Magnon and whatever, and they were here, but they did not develop into Adam and Eve.
The creation belief is that God did create two human beings with souls.
There were beings beforehand that didn't have souls, but Adam and Eve they were given a soul, and the creation process of the birds and whatever was over a thousand years per day, according to the Bible.
And from what I have seen in research, they do go to heaven.
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Well, you know, that sounds great.
What about the people that live off the Amazon or places that have never been touched by the Christian religion, people that have never been taught these things?
What about their souls?
How do you think they would react when they saw this gleaming cross in the sky?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
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Hi.
Hi, this is Gabriel in Colorado.
How are you both this evening?
Hi, Gabriel.
Well, Art, it sounds like you're a little disturbed by this, possibly.
And I think that anybody would with any common sense.
But Kathleen, I have to ask you something, you being a Roman Catholic, and I'm Catholic myself.
Okay.
Number one, you were taught, if I'm not mistaken, if you're old enough to remember, the traditional Tridentine Mass, the High Mass, and all the truth before the popes, before Pope John XXIII and the VI and now Pope John II.
They're all in contradiction.
And you must believe that there is no salvation out of the church that Christ gave to St. Peter on the rock, correct?
There are instances where people are not technically or officially baptized, but by their desire of the Spirit to be baptized, God considers that a valid baptism.
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Yes, they say that God knows what's in a man's heart.
Well, they're getting a big discount, so they're going to have to wait a little bit.
So April, sometime on April.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Kathleen Keating.
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Hi.
Good morning.
I'm not a Bible scholar, but I was raised Roman Catholic.
And to an earlier reference, as far as never knowing the precise moment that the Lord will come, I do believe that was in reference to Christ himself, but as far as the prophecies, I do believe we can know when the Antichrist is among us.
We just would not know when Christ himself would come to redeem those of us to be redeemed.
I have thought about many issues I could take you to task on, but I'm going to boil it down to this.
Considering that in the original Bible, after the time of Jesus, reincarnation was written in and removed later by man, and also through all the near-death experiences and the reports of people like Daniel Brinkley, how do you reconcile that?
I'm not an authority to say, yes, that's definitely what it is.
But I think that we are under a deception, and some of these near-death experiences may not be accurate.
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I feel that now that a lot of the fear people are feeling is the end of the patriarchal age, and a lot of the organized religions are going to be changing, and more of the power of the soul is going to be realized by individuals.
I feel the second coming is really going to be a group thing as opposed to one man coming back like Jesus.
I suppose I know that doesn't go with what you're saying, but.
I've heard rumors that when there may be a shake-up coming in where they move the bishop or the cardinal from Puerto Rico into New York to take that leaving Cardinals position, that he may be one of the more primary candidates.
I've been listening to this show with much Interest, but I'm confused about the Antichrist and what Jesus the Christ might have had to say about him.
Because I have a problem with all of the fear and awesomeness of the whole topic tonight, because I don't remember anything attributed to Jesus that was of that flavor, that tone, that left that message, if you know what I mean.
In all of your years of researching this and speaking with various theologians and biblical scholars, has anyone ever brought anything to your attention that could be attributed to Jesus?
But my first exposure to Christianity was at an early age and in a particular variety where the Old Testament and the King James Version as well as the New Testament was accepted as biblical, you know, inspired truth.
And we tried to follow all of the, even the Levitical laws, if you can believe that.
And I was taught in that particular form of Christianity that the Pope was the Antichrist.
I'm sure this is not new to you.
I no longer have that feeling or belief.
But I'm just saying that because I think that Christianity is its own worst enemy and that it's really not so much a separate, full-blown, stand-alone, no-prehistory kind of a thing as it is just a heresy of Judaism because this God that's going to be doing all of these terrible things to people that are foolish enough to have backslidden or to have doubted or
to have failed to turn on a TV and be saved, you know, that was the God of Abraham who was just like a Jewish tribal war god.
No, I believe that because of the fact that what we call Christianity became accepted by then the largest single empire in the world, the Roman Empire, that this one particular heretical sect gained in popularity and exposure and control and power.
It had the impetus of the biggest empire in the world at that time behind it.
And consequently, it has spread so far and so wide that it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I mean, Christians deserve hell for much of what Christianity has undoubtedly and undeniably done in its own name.
I don't think that this Pope is the Antichrist at all, but I do think that we will see the Pope, the anti-Pope, usher in the Antichrist.
And I do think that the Church has spread to the point and it's been infiltrated to the point that it's become convoluted and it's not the true church that it should be.
Inherently it is, but there are aspects of it that have gotten way out of line.
And that people will, for whatever reason, whether it be UFOs or whatever, will not realize what has happened to thousands, hopefully millions of people that will just disappear.
And that the Antichrist will show himself three and a half years into the seven-year tribulation period.
Do you know of scripture to support that?
Because I'm not hearing scripture-backed, anything in scripture to back what you're saying about not believing in a pre-tribulation or post-tribulation rapture?
Well, I mentioned earlier, and perhaps you didn't hear this or I didn't state it quite well enough, the belief that I follow with the rapture is that it will start pre-tribulation, right after the warning, and that it will continue on through the three days of darkness.
So technically, it's a pre- and post-tribulation.
It's just going to be running all the time until the end when Jesus comes back.
And I would like to make three points very quickly.
The first is I keep hearing about no one knowing the time.
And I believe the scripture accurately of Catherine, Kathleen will back me up on this, is that of the day and the hour, no one will know the time, not even the angels in heaven, but of the time and the season, I would not have you unaware.
Then he describes a number of prophecies and says that just like when you see the clouds and say it's going to rain, you'll know that the time is at hand when you see these things.
Well, if you don't believe it now, I think you will believe it in the warning because God's going to make it abundantly clear.
And again, in the miracle, as to who is who and why and why, and so that there will be no doubts.
In fact, there will be many, many healings that will occur with the miracle so that people that have been sick all their lives do not make a choice for God or the Antichrist because they're encumbered with an illness, for instance.
It's all going to become very apparent.
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Well, my personally, having been all my life told as a Christian of, I can't remember which denomination I was taught in when I went to private school when I was younger, taught that, you know, we were put here to praise God.
And maybe it's just my 20-year-old defiant side, but if I was created to praise something, I'm not going to go with either of them.
I'm not going to go with the Antichrist or Satan, and I'm not going to go with God.
The question of is it better to serve in heaven or reign in hell doesn't apply to me because I don't agree with either.
I've been going to Latin Masses since I was a little girl, and I've been hearing about the rain of fire and three days of darkness and all since I was a little girl.
And I guess I've always dealt with it as, you know, like the big earthquake that's going to come, and it never quite comes.
And so I guess that's why I've been up listening to this.
It's like, gee, my mother's been telling me this for years.
And it's interesting to address the alien issue because I've always had a hard time trying to decide, okay, because it sounds like as I listen to Art Bell as I drive home from work, that they may come to a point real soon that they're going to say, yes, there definitely are aliens.