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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Explorations in Reincarnation - Leo Sprinkle
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This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye.
You are about to hear from one of the pioneers in ufology.
Contactee research.
A reincarnation research in America.
He is Professor Leo Sprinkle.
And so, I suggest you hold on to that because it's coming up next.
He's really something.
Well, Professor Leo Sprinkle is a legend.
He's written a book with a really intriguing title.
It's called Soul Samples.
That is intriguing, isn't it?
Soul Samples?
Dr. Sprinkle began his career in psychology with the idea of being a conventional practicing scientist, in quotes, in the traditional sense, however, two close encounters with UFOs, that'll do it, shattered his conventional reality and shifted his direction in life.
That's what it'll do for you.
And the second incident experienced with his wife, well, he knew he had to investigate the UFO phenomena, And it would be a lonely task, and I'm sure it's proof to be that.
Dr. Sprinkle began his investigations from the conventional viewpoint, but found he was unable to make further progress until he became aware of and accepted the physical aspects of the UFO phenomena.
He became more and more skeptical, ironically, not of the reality of flying saucers, but of the concept of Reality itself is defined and developed by the current scientific community.
A pioneer in the UFO field, Dr. Sprinkle, was in Limelight early on, participated, get this, in many regional and national television programs, including ABC TV's That's Incredible, NBC TV with Tom Snyder, you know, The Tomorrow Show, NBC's UFOs, Factor of Fantasy.
He's appeared on many panels with scientists like J. Allen Hynek, Carl Sagan, Ruth Montgomery included a chapter on Sprinkles activities in her 85 book, Aliens Among Us.
He received his Ph.D.
in Counseling Psychology from the University of Missouri in 1961.
Completed his M.A.
and M.P.S.
at the University of Colorado, 52 and 56 respectively.
Dr. Sprinkle was a Professor of Counseling Services at the University of Wyoming for about 13 years of his career.
He served as Director of Counseling Services.
Currently, he's Professor Emeritus of Counseling Services at the University of Wyoming and a Counseling Psychologist in Laramie.
He's nationally certified and licensed and a registrant counsel for the National Register of Health Service Providers.
I could go on and on.
You get the idea.
He's a heavyweight.
Here he is, Dr. Leo Springle.
Doctor, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
Pleasure to be here.
Well, you've been around doing this for a while, huh?
For a while, yes.
How long, actually?
Well, I started surveys in 1961 and 62 at the University of North Dakota.
And then when I came to the University of Wyoming in 1963 and 1964, I continued with surveys and also began individual sessions with persons that had UFO ET encounters.
So it's been the last 40 years that I've been involved in professional research.
Forty years, wow.
You know, if memory serves me, which it does less and less lately, I interviewed you on a program called Area 2000 in Las Vegas a long time ago.
Your memory may be correct, but mine is such that I can't really confirm it.
I don't recall.
It happens to us.
I think we did talk once before, but this will be just like a whole new talk.
When I last talked to you, I was speaking purely as a, I don't know, uninitiated, I was not initiated into the reality of what is, and since that time I've had two experiences with craft that were impossible.
Close experiences.
And the conclusion I came to after seeing what I saw was that either We have technology that's so far ahead of anything we can even imagine.
You know, anti-gravity, all the rest of it.
Or, it's from elsewhere.
Or else when?
I don't know.
But that's... You can only come to those conclusions.
It boils down to that.
This thing was 150 feet above me.
A triangle.
I could have thrown a rock at the damn thing.
I was with my wife.
Came over silently.
Not making a sound.
A gigantic thing, you know.
Stars went away.
Moon went away.
Really a close encounter.
It changes you.
Yes, indeed.
I guess that's what happened to you, huh?
Yes.
In 1949, a buddy and I saw Flying Saucer over the University of Colorado in Boulder.
Of course, I didn't believe in flying saucers in 1949 because of the way that newspapers and other media treated those who saw or claimed that they saw flying saucers.
So I dismissed it in some ways, tried not to think about it, and didn't want to talk about it.
Good way to ruin an academic career.
I went through a period of kind of a mild depression because of the change that I knew was happening in my views about science and reality.
And then in 1956, my wife and I had a sighting.
And so after that, I thought, OK, I'm slow, but I'm able to recognize that after two sightings that something is going on that can't be explained through the conventional views.
That's when I began to read.
Do you remember much of that first sighting?
I know you do.
Of the one you and your wife had, what did you see?
In the 1956 sighting, we were returning from Denver looking over the valley of Boulder, Colorado.
The sun had set and the sky was beginning to darken.
We saw what we thought was an evening star planet over the Flatirons, the Rocky Mountain foothills.
But it began to move, and so I stopped the car.
We watched.
My wife, Marilyn, remembers it as moving back and forth like a pendulum.
I remembered it more of a falling leaf kind of pattern.
As we got out and looked at it, we saw that now it was below the flat irons and not above.
It wouldn't be a planet or a star.
And yet it wasn't a helicopter.
We couldn't hear any sound and no airplane.
So it was a strange object or light that hovered and then moved, hovered and moved.
If it were over the town, as I imagine it to be about the size of a helicopter, if it were against the foothills, it would be huge like a university building.
Whatever it was, it puzzled and fascinated me.
I thought the people around, I could see Car lights turning on down below, I could hear car horns.
I thought there must be other people who were witnessing what we were seeing.
Right.
But the next day, no mention in the newspapers.
So I said, uh-oh, it's happening.
But there's not much public recognition of what's going on.
Still is.
Yep, you're right.
And that's really a good question for you.
Do you think that will change?
I think it's changing gradually.
More and more people are involved.
In 1949, when my buddy and I saw Flying Saucer, there was a lot of newspaper hype, but it was more in the sense of sensationalism according to some people and wasn't accepted by the general public.
Now I think that the general public Well, partly because of people like you and others who have brought information to the forefront.
There's not only a recognition by the public in general, but there are more and more people who are military, professional, governmental, who are accepting the information as an indication of extraterrestrial presence.
Oh, listen.
I had two airline pilots on.
We're a hundred miles apart down in Texas, you know, driving heavy 747s and such.
And they came on the air and they described what they saw.
That was a first.
Then I had two police officers here a couple of weeks ago from the state of Illinois come on and describe what they saw.
That was a first.
And there were about, I don't know, seven or eight different police departments that All saw this thing.
Large triangular, again, triangular object.
So, you know, the professions are beginning to come forward now.
Air traffic controllers, those kinds of people.
I've had them on the show recently.
People are starting to talk.
And the literature has changed from tabloid to more middle class literature and now the upper class literature.
Some of the higher Newspapers and writers are focusing on the perspective of ET presence, so there is a shift.
In my view, it's likely that in the next few years there will be almost a necessity for those in authority to recognize that they are caught between Continuing cover-up or releasing information.
So you don't question the fact of a cover-up?
You believe that factions of our government know?
One young man asked me, he said, Leo, do you think there's a cover-up?
And I said, yes, I think there's evidence for a cover-up at the E.T.
level.
I think there's evidence for a cover-up at the governmental level.
But I said, I know damn well there's a cover-up at the personal level.
And he looked at me kind of strangely because he just got to tell me, Leo, don't tell anybody about my sightings.
If we don't talk about our personal sightings, Then how can we expect people in governmental circles to talk about what they know?
So I know a lot of people wanted to come from the top down, but I think the push is from the bottom up.
I think as we, as a humanity, become more and more aware, then we will almost automatically give encouragement to the authorities to release information.
Academically, just toying with the idea for a moment.
If there is a cover-up, let us assume for the sake of this discussion there is, do you think that it is a widespread piece of information within our government or tightly held even from presidents?
What do you think about that?
I don't know myself, but the people I trust who are closer to the compartmentalization claim that it's much more like a shadow government or much more like I think so, because it seems as if there are many people who are astronauts, who are governmental officials, and who seem to be honest persons, and they say they don't have this kind of information.
Yet obviously, if anybody were to study and talk with people who have had sightings and
read the material like Dan Sherman's book or Stone's book or Corso or Andrews, there
are so many ex-military people who seem to have information that they are beginning to
release.
Dr. Michael Wolfe and others.
There is just a whole batch of information that if people would sit down and read the
government documents themselves or the earlier military documents, they would say, of course,
earlier in 1949 Project Grudge, Project Blue Book, all kinds of information from government
sources indicate the cover-up.
And so some people are saying the cover-up and the un-cover-up is going on simultaneously.
I've been very fortunate in having interviewed several U.S.
astronauts, those who went to the moon, some who did not.
And I want to compare notes with you here for a second.
I have talked to, and for this reason I'm not going to name them, I've talked to some of these men off the air and privately.
And boy, boy, oh boy, do they have some stories to tell!
But when you get these same men on the air and you say, did you, while you were, you know, on the moon or circling the Earth, did you ever see anything Of an unusual sort.
No, I didn't see anything like that.
Yeah, on camera, Major, and then later General Cooper has talked about his sightings and Mitchell has talked about not his own personal sightings, but what he's heard from other people.
So there's some astronauts who've been open about it and others who have not.
But the Stroyers, they'll tell you off the air.
Oh, my.
That's different, yes.
I remember one time An Air Force officer talked to me about UFO business and he said, What would you say if I told you that I was on such and such a plane in such and such an altitude at a certain time and this craft paced me?
I said, That's fascinating.
And I said, Have you publicized this?
He said, No, and I never will.
And if you say that I told you If that happened to me, I'd deny it.
Deny it, yeah.
And so this is the kind of experience that any UFO investigator will have over and over, which shows that both the phenomenon is occurring, but also the phenomenon covers its track.
All right, well, you're a professor in Counseling Psychology.
That's where your PhD is, so let me ask you this.
If there was general knowledge, Professor, about our astronauts, by our astronauts, that These things that we see on occasional shuttle mission videos and so forth and so on.
These things really are going on.
And they all know it.
And they can't talk about it.
The history of our astronauts is a rather interesting one.
Full of life difficulties, psychological problems, drinking problems.
Is it possible that they are holding information that they are forced to hold And that it's affecting their lives in a very, very negative way.
I would think so, yes.
That seems to be true of anybody who has a dark secret, whether it's of UFOs or anything else.
I would agree with the view that sooner or later, the attempt to cover up information results in difficulty for the individual and also represents what sociologists would see as Moral or problems of the kind of morality as well as the sense of morale within the society.
That's where I think that the last few years, the Cold War difficulties, I think is an indication that we all as a society know underneath that ETs are here but we are reluctant to let ourselves Consciously be aware of it, and I think that's one reason why we experience some of the social difficulties.
Even Neil Armstrong, who seems quite well-grounded at a Christmas party at the White House, made some really intriguing statements that were obviously designed to try and get you to look between the lines while still staying over on the safe side of not really blowing it.
Just sort of intriguing You ought to read between the lines of what I'm saying here, folks.
Well, President Carter and President Reagan and others have talked about the possibility of ETs in a kind of a light-hearted, off-the-cuff manner, but of course we don't hear any official information.
We haven't heard any official information since the Kennedy administration when Secretary of Defense McNamara said there is no What did he say?
Something like, no national security threat from reports of unidentified flying objects.
In other words, reports wouldn't be a threat to our national security.
I was always wondering how they define national security.
I had people from silos, missile silos, professor, who said that their missiles were disabled.
That was in this country.
And I interviewed those fellows.
Now, if disabling nuclear If ICBM missiles is not a threat to security, then I would like their definition of what security is.
You're welcome to call me Leo if you wish, but yes, indeed, it seems as if the question of security is, is it military security or is it our sense of personal and mental security?
Or is it the security of their secret from us?
All right, Leo, hold on.
Somehow somebody with a doctorate deserves a professor title.
And he does, so I'll see what I can do.
I don't know.
That's pretty informal.
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Good morning.
Professor Leo Sprinkle is here.
He's been around a long, long time investigating the kinds of things that we talk about on this program.
Dr. Sagan, and I'm going to ask him about Dr. Sagan in a moment.
Somebody who was on, I guess, boards with him.
So we'll ask about Dr. Sagan, because he's a pretty interesting topic.
All right, back now to Professor Leo Sprinkle, and welcome back.
Here we are again.
You served on some committees, I guess, with Dr. Sagan, Carl Sagan?
I was in a panel discussion on the NBC TV program in 1966.
Dr. Jim McDonnell and Carl Sagan and a couple of science writers, we were interviewing Betty and Barney Hill.
At one point, Carl Sagan, in his charm, he said he was showing his skepticism toward Betty's description of what happened to her.
On board the craft, as revealed through hypnotic sessions with Dr. Benjamin Simon, a Boston psychiatrist.
He said, now, Mrs. Hill, we're all amateur psychologists.
He looked over at me and said, oops, sorry about that.
I said, that's all right.
My friends think I'm an amateur psychologist.
He was about to tell her what she had experienced, which I find both charming and arrogant.
He was a brilliant man and he contributed in so many ways, but he was obviously, in my Like Dr. Menzel and Dr. Condon, people who had information that they weren't, for whatever reason, weren't revealing to the rest of us.
Did you have any private conversations that would confirm that for you with him?
No.
We talked briefly as we were in makeup before the show, but it was more about the program and about things that were going on that I know from people who I knew him personally.
I worked with one woman who was a UFO contactee who later worked with him as a graduate student.
The impression I had, although I can't confirm it, was that he knew more than he was talking about in terms of ET presence.
In the last few years, he went through an interesting metamorphosis.
He began to change his publicly stated views.
If you read Between the Lines, or even not so Between the Lines, and Demon Haunted World, he was obviously beginning to change as he became.
Right.
And then the movie that he and his wife wrote showed what his game had been earlier, and the game that so many physical scientists and governmental officials play.
Well, we can't depend upon psychological and psychic information.
We can only depend upon physical evidence.
And since there's no physical evidence within, we have nothing to show.
And to me, that game is slowly changing, recognizing that people intuitively, psychically, know information as well as physically sensing and interpreting physical evidence.
I hope that that game will shift to the point where we can rely both on physical and mystical procedures in which we look at what we call reality.
If we do that, then of course the UFO game will be up as far as these people are concerned because hiding the physical evidence and then claiming there is no physical evidence is one way to play the game.
It's a childish way of trying to keep people ignorant.
Hiding the physical evidence.
What's the best... I hold on to some physical evidence myself, Professor, and have had it for quite some time.
It's material that nobody can explain, nobody can duplicate.
Really an interesting material.
How much more physical evidence is out there I don't know.
Personally, I've seen some artifacts that the National Enquirer UFO panel, J. Allen Hynek and Harder and Salisbury and others, we would get artifacts from time to time and the various laboratories would not be able to explain what the metallic substances were.
Precisely.
Any skeptic or any debunker could say, well that's just one piece of evidence and what everybody wants is the flying saucer to come down and step out and talk to whoever thinks he or she is the more important person in the world.
Why isn't it coming to me or the White House or whatever?
And of course people ignore the fact that flying saucers were seen over White House in 1952.
Oh, those are very startling.
That's very startling footage.
It's actually footage, and you can see them moving around.
Yes.
The physical evidence is overwhelming.
The psychological evidence is overwhelming.
The biological evidence is overwhelming, but to my view, the spiritual evidence is what people fear.
The implications of what it will mean to us as humanity as a whole, that's what we fear, and so that's why we continue to play the game of Let's just argue about the physical evidence.
I really like the title of your book, Soul Samples.
Why did you decide to call it Soul Samples?
It came from an event that was interesting.
A guy named Keith Thompson, who wrote a book, Aliens and Angels, was interviewing me about the theme of his book.
Those entities that we call aliens, those entities that we call angels, are sometimes the same, depending upon which history and which culture.
As we were talking, he made a nice, generous comment about my work.
He said, Leo, while other people are out chasing lights and gathering soil samples, you are helping people and gathering soul samples.
It just hit me that that's what I was doing.
I didn't have that name for it.
I glommed on to it and I said, yes, that's what I've been trying to do because so many people would describe to me not only their ET encounters but also the feelings that they had regarding their relationships with these guardian angels or these mentors or these tormentors, depending on their attitude.
On what they are.
Ida Canenberg, in her books, she said some people call them S.B.s, space beings, some call them I like that view because I said, Why are some people having good experiences and why are some people having terrible experiences?
Then I began to realize that the tasks or the missions of these individuals differed and their past lives became an issue in terms of what their mission might be in this lifetime.
That's where I began to wonder if there could be a connection between A person's journey of the soul and why they were having the particular kind of sightings or the particular kind of encounters in this lifetime.
Let me try this question out on you.
With all of the research that you've done and people you've interviewed and so forth and so on, if you were to remove the sightings that you had personally and you were to rely only on the research and the evidence you've gathered, would the threshold of belief for you Yes, it would have taken me longer to accept what I gradually had to accept, not only about UFOs, but about reincarnation, ESPs, the spiritual implications, but yes, the evidence I've gathered from thousands of people in individual sessions and in
Workshops and surveys and in talking with other researchers and what they found, I would still hold a tentative conclusion because that's the way scientists talk, but still I would still conclude that not only does ESP exist and there are a dozen lines of evidence, not only does reincarnation exist and there are a dozen lines of evidence, but also UFOs exist.
Horrors of horrors, there seems to be a connection between our past history as humanity, not only in terms of our origin, but also in terms of our ultimate mission.
I'm hearing from so many UFO experiencers that they are told by their ET mentors that Our task is to engage in space-time travel and also to communicate with many levels of consciousness.
So we've got a lot of work to do.
When you talk to conventional physicists like Dr. Michio Kaku, who I interview frequently, he says that, yes, space and time itself can be conquered.
However, from his point of view, it's going to take so much energy That we will have to virtually harness the energy of a star, or be of that class, before we could move through time and space.
And that's conventional.
Yes, although there are also conventional physicists like Dr. Hal Puthoff and others who are working with him who are recognizing the possibility, I don't understand the theory, but that Casimir The effect of energy at subatomic levels is so vast that they think if it can be engineered that the energy is there for space-time travel.
Would that be like the development of a quantum computer or something along those lines?
It could well be.
I just regret that I don't have the capacity to understand it.
Many of his theories along with others in physical review and other conventional literature for physicists.
It's a potential which I think someday engineers as well as physicists will be able to realize.
I want to tell you something, Doctor.
You're the one that I think would be proper for me to tell.
Maybe you can help me out here.
I am going to, in June, I'll be 55 years old.
Yeehaw!
I've been dreaming all my life.
I've had dreams.
Good ones, bad ones, nightmares, dreams, all kinds of things.
And when I wake up, I know they're dreams.
I know I've been dreaming.
However, this is really a cruncher.
In the last couple of months, I mentioned this on the air the other night to my audience, the last couple of months, I have been having The only way I can describe this is, it's like I've been picked up and dumped into somebody else's life.
Now, here's the way it goes.
For example, it's the mid-50s, or even 40s, and I'm in school in a little town in Mississippi that I can name with friends that I can research and see are real people.
It's like I'm being consistently dumped into another person's life.
It's more than a dream, because a dream you can normally imagine or find some reference to something that has happened in your life recently, or that's on your mind, even subconsciously, some reference that will tell you why you have the dream you had.
I'm having dreams and living other people's lives in the last couple of months.
Fascinating.
Is that weird or what?
There are some people who talk about what they call parallel lives.
I don't know if this is an instance of that.
I don't either.
Some people describe the feeling that they are more than one set of personality characteristics.
All of us share to some extent a variety of selves or identities.
I don't know.
I have no idea what it is.
I just know that it's new to me.
It may well be that you are having those kinds of experiences or it may be something beyond.
But that's fascinating.
I hope you keep track of it and maybe someday you'll have a label for it.
I have no idea what it is.
I just know that it's new to me.
It's about two months old and it's been going on consistently.
It's so vivid, Doctor, that I can awaken and I can describe buildings and towns.
I can name people's names.
I can tell you what I was doing in this life.
Do you have a sense of time?
Yes, everything.
I mean, future or past or present?
It's in different times.
That's all.
It's like I'm dropped into it, wherever it is, whenever it is.
I'm dropped into it and everything is as it should be.
I've worked with some people and then I've read recounts from others who have dreamed experiences and then later on began to realize that they were dreaming about either what they consider to be a future life or what they consider to be a past life.
Some people have investigated past lives and have found evidence to support How strong is the evidence for past lives?
Oh, it's very strong.
I'll just mention some of the lines and then, if it's of interest, we can go further.
There are out-of-body experiences, and that's a whole line of near-death experiences.
There are past life therapy, past life explorations.
There are a variety of anecdotes, of course, from scientific people and celebrities and
writers, not only in the 19th century a lot of people, but of course from biblical times
and other ancient times.
From the cultures, every culture has some kind of theory of reincarnation.
Every religion, including Christianity, and of course the early Christians, according Edmund Cranston accepted reincarnation.
Until it was voted out, I hear.
Right.
In 500, there was a council that was supposed to meet with both the Eastern Pope and the Western Pope.
They were going to consider the possibility of eliminating the philosophy of a guy named Origen, O-R-I-G-E-N.
A marvelous name.
One of the Popes wasn't able to attend, according to the documents.
Christians were left with kind of a chasm between belief and disbelief because some people say that Origen's philosophy was cast out, some say that it wasn't, and others didn't know.
Many formal doctrines have been described, of course, later on.
emperors decided that reincarnation was out and so the Cathars in France and other places were
punished, tortured, killed and that seems to be... Wouldn't that be an expected act of
government to cast that out? In other words, if there's reincarnation
then there is not the control of the fear of God and the burning pit of hell
and all the rest of that stuff.
Right.
If we can come back again and again to deal with our errors and to learn more, then we are much more confident.
We are much more powerful as a soul, whereas if we are taught that we have to listen to Big Daddy or Big Brother in order to get information, then we have a different attitude about ourselves.
The urge for freedom around the world politically that France and the U.S.
and others have helped to establish.
I think now there's an intellectual freedom that's growing around the planet too.
Do you think that there could be in the Western world social acceptance of multiple lives?
I'm not at the present time, but I think that it's growing.
There's a nice little book by Carol Bowman on children's lives, and Dr. Ian Stevenson, Professor of Psychiatry in Virginia, has written a book on children's past lives.
It seems as if more and more teachers and parents are listening to kids when they say, when I was big, I did this and I did that.
And instead of dismissing it, more and more parents are listening to these children.
And I think that helps the child deal with the concerns as well as help the parents and teachers that deal with their... So if we didn't dismiss it as laughable fantasy, we might hear a lot more of it?
Yes.
Yes.
Doctor, hold on.
We'll be right back.
We're going to break here at the top of the hour.
Sprinkle is my guest.
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You know, the movie we were talking about that I have so much respect for, that was for Carl, Compact.
That's where that bumper came from.
Remember that in the movie?
Want to take a ride?
I couldn't resist.
but that's really a sprinkle will be right back once again professor leo sprinkle uh... dot you are just
see the six cents Okay.
No, I haven't seen the movie.
I've heard about it.
You should go and see that really soon.
Believe me.
It's a good one.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Did you hear the little commercial that just ran about seeing people who are dead?
Yes, I've seen the TV announcement.
I haven't seen the program.
Right.
Is there a barrier, in your opinion, between the living and between those who have passed away?
Is there a period of time between lives, a period of time when one might be on what we call the other side, or in some great celestial waiting room of souls, or something like that?
In other words, the nature, I guess, of this multiple life thing.
Yes, there seems to be a lot of evidence to support that.
I was thinking of a book that a Canadian psychiatrist wrote, and I'm having trouble remembering
his name, about in-between lives.
Also, Dr. Michael Newton, I believe it is, has written a book called Journey of Souls,
describing what seems to go on in between lives.
My wife and I have done a couple of hundred workshops in the last twenty years with a couple of thousand people based upon the work of Helen Wambach.
She was a clinical psychologist.
Who did a lot of workshops, Dr. Chet Snow in France, a lot of workshops.
The evidence is interesting.
No matter what culture, no matter what group of people, there is similar kind of evidence that people describe in what they think is a period of waiting in between lives where lessons go on and people draw up their plans for the next incarnation and how they'll handle themselves and their relationships.
The amount of information is fascinating.
Of course, a person who is skeptical can try it himself or herself and see if they get some results, but it does seem as if there is an ongoing aspect of our soul or our higher self that has a much higher view or perspective than what we have in our generally day-to-day human life.
There are people who claim.
That they have some knowledge or contact on the other side.
Have you looked into these people?
Yes.
I haven't done work myself that Mark Macy of Boulder has done in George Meek.
He developed what was called a Spiracom, the spiritual communication and technical equipment that could be used to gain messages, whispers and voices.
Yes.
Now the electronic industry is so enlarged and so have these people.
They not only get information through audio tape, they get it through TVs, through telephones, through monitors, computer monitors.
Even sometimes when the equipment is not turned on, there'll still be an image that can be photographed and messages from the other side.
Yes.
And Raymond Moody, the psychiatrist in Alabama, has developed techniques to help people communicate with those who are deceased.
So there are lots of people who are doing interesting work along this line and that's another indication that the soul continues on.
Some people think that they go on to other lifetimes.
Some people think they go on to another level.
plane of existence.
George Meeks' book, Enjoy Your Own Funeral, he wrote an earlier book called After Life
and After Death, What Happens, or something like that.
He has models of the various levels of consciousness and what both religion and science seem to
argue for without dogma in regard to the journey of the soul.
It's the perennial philosophy, that is, seek the consciousness of God, know oneself, serve others, and step by step we seem to go away and then come back to the original source.
So it seems that all these lines of evidence not only support the notion of Life after death, but also a kind of a progression of the human spirit.
I love the title of that book, Enjoy Your Own Funeral.
Enjoy Your Own Funeral.
Obviously, it's suggesting you can, in effect, be there.
And really find out what people were thinking, like those who are truly mourning and those who are really secretly going, I always hated that son of a bitch.
It's a good book, both from an evidential standpoint as well as personal information that he gathered from other people who were in communication with him about their experiences.
It's a Gauldy Press out of Minnesota and shows some photographs that indicate the personality Or the ghost, or whatever you want to call it, the spirit of a dead person could be seen, his wife for example, could be seen at her funeral.
I frequently do shows in which I simply invite the audience to call and tell real ghost stories, their own ghost stories.
I could do that as a show and do nothing else, Doctor.
That's how many stories you get in.
You get police officers.
You get all kinds of professional people.
And by the end of the night of that, you are really freaked out.
I don't care what you believe.
You listen to this and you're done in by the end of the night.
Five hours of that.
There was one time at a Halloween celebration here in Laramie.
A couple who have a family ghost.
A couple I've known for many years.
They're very trustworthy people and they describe experiences.
And then people in the audience begin to describe their experiences.
That's right.
As you say, it just swells up.
That's right.
It has a close relationship to UFOs because you just sort of don't talk to people about a ghost you saw unless you hear other people talking about it.
Unless you think in your mind it's okay to talk about it.
Yes, I've had that experience many times when I started talking about my own UFO experiences with other researchers.
They would say, Leo, don't talk about that.
Why not?
Because you'll lose your credibility.
I think, well, which is more important, credibility or integrity?
I think that our whole society is going through that struggle now.
Credibility or integrity?
It really does come down to that, doesn't it?
Alan Hynek had a nice statement in the 1979 conference in Brazil.
He said that physicists are faced with the paradox that light is both particle and wave.
And he said UFO researchers are faced with the paradox that flying saucers are both physical and psychical.
So that the psychic phenomenon is just as important as the physical phenomenon.
That to me was so instructive and yet some of his own followers have continued to emphasize the physical aspects of flying saucers and don't want to deal with the psychical aspects.
But I think they're just as powerful and just as important.
Well, we're probably never going to get across the barrier until we begin looking in a different way toward the psychic aspect of This whole thing.
I had always hoped in the early years that the physical would be the way, you know, hard science, we'd get a signal from another planet.
Right.
Still might, you never know.
But something like that, something, or a landing, you know, something really serious.
Well, we get those tantalizing landings, we get soil samples, we get signals, and then people check the signals, and then they don't see them, and they Take photographs.
All of the physical evidence is there, but at the same time it isn't consistent.
Some people choose to deny the evidence because of that, and others who I admire say, Hey, maybe we're supposed to learn something from this about ourselves, that we're physical, we're biological, we're psychological, and we are spiritual.
When we recognize as a humanity that we have spiritual, that we are spirits on a human journey rather
than humans on a spiritual journey, then I think that our level of awareness and
consciousness will allow us to be welcomed into the cosmic federation.
And you believe firmly it's out there?
Oh yes.
There's no doubt in my mind, even though I don't have the kind of evidence.
I admit when I was ten years old I was sitting on top of a shed in Rocky Ford, Colorado and
I looked up in the southwestern sky and I had a thought.
I said, my family is up there.
Then rationality took over and I said, wait a minute Leo, Rex is your father, Anise is your mother, Bob and Gene are your brothers, and Faye is your sister.
That's your family.
But that feeling haunted me for a long time and it still is with me, the feeling that I A heavenly family as well as an earthly family.
I do take it you saw Contact, the movie?
Yes, I did.
Enjoyed it.
Yes.
Well, that alluded, of course, at the end to the concept of a federation of planets, you know, that were not alone.
That was first Contact.
God, I loved that movie.
I absolutely loved that movie.
It wasn't marvelous that the scientist came back only with her experience and she didn't have any physical evidence.
That's what I pointed out to my audience.
That she was then forced to ask them to take on faith.
That which prevented her from getting a seat on the first trip.
That's incredible.
This is what Carl Sagan would do.
He would play the game.
He would ask people, where's your evidence?
Where's your physical evidence?
In that movie, Close Encounters, with Dreyfuss playing the character, he said, We are the evidence.
Our lives are the evidence.
To me, that is so powerful.
When a person recognizes that he or she can't tell anybody with a flying saucer in hand, but can only say, I'm a person of honesty, I'm a person of strength, and I'm telling you I had the experience and it's changed my life.
That to me is so much more compelling than a photograph or a soil sample or an artifact or an implant, although all of the evidence taken together is powerful.
I interviewed probably for more hours than anybody else in the media, Colonel Corso.
I sat down on the air for maybe a total of 12 to 15 hours on the air with him.
Interesting.
And the guy was telling the truth.
Yeah.
I mean, there's simply no question about it.
He was telling the truth.
Now, I put a period at the end of that.
The guy was telling the truth.
So that tells me that this really is going on within our government and has been for some time.
How, I mean, our government is not... On the one hand, I generally believe, and everybody says, oh, come on, couldn't be, because no government could keep that secret for that long.
Couldn't happen.
How do you respond to that?
And I respond in the way professors do, yea and nay.
Yes, governments can keep secrets, but no, they can't keep a big secret, and so the way to deal with it is disinformation, to provide Some information that's true and some information that isn't true.
So people say, what a bunch of crap.
And then people get discouraged and confused and rather than sift through it, which takes a lot of time and effort, the easiest thing to do is just to turn away and check out on something else.
So if the real thing comes along, they just automatically reject it?
I think so.
So many people I've talked with, They said, well, the government said there is no such thing as flying saucer.
I said, where did you hear that?
Well, you know, everybody who has these sightings gets ridiculed.
I said, right.
Ridicule is the way to kill the messenger these days.
Although there are some people who have been killed, I think, because of their investigations.
But still, in general, the best way that Those in power have decided to deal with it is to ridicule those of us who describe our experiences in that way of destroying the credibility.
Of course, credibility can be dealt with that way very easily, but integrity, to me, that's stronger.
There's a marvelous book by David Hawkins.
He's an MD, PhD, psychiatrist.
He's written a book called Power Versus Force, and he has used muscle testing.
There's a means of gathering information about levels of consciousness.
What kind of testing?
Muscle testing.
Are you familiar with a person holding out an arm and someone else taking a couple of fingers and pressing down on the wrist?
And if you hold, say, a packet of ascorbic acid, vitamin C, next to the person's body and say, Is this good for the body?
Well, the arm tests strong.
But if you hold a packet of refined sugar next to the body, No, no, I've never heard of that.
Well, sometime if you get interested you might check with Hawking.
I've seen him on videotape and he's an interesting fellow.
He's done genius work, I think, in regard to levels of consciousness and he argues that we can seek and find the truth Physically, but we can also seek and find the truth psychically, that is, inside.
So that, you know, the X-Files motto is, the truth is out there.
Well, the motto could also be the truth is in here.
Jesus said to the woman at the well, the kingdom of heaven is within.
So we can get information from inside as well as outside.
I wonder, this sounds like such an easy test to perform.
Now, just earlier today I had a quarter pounder.
I love quarter pounders.
Probably the arm isn't supposed to respond to that, but I have a feeling if my arm was out there, there was a quarter pounder.
And I grabbed that sucker.
What does that say?
It's a strong response.
I love quarter pounders.
Would that be a proper response for me, or would my arm move away from the quarter pounder, shedding tears as it were?
Good question.
It seems as if there are some questions.
For example, a person could ask himself or herself, is O.J.
Simpson guilty, or doesn't Clinton do such and such?
Or you could ask yourself, do I have a soul, do I have past lives?
Now, a person might have a personal belief that would be so strong that it might override the answer.
But apparently Hawkins has done studies with groups of people and you can get a majority
of people with information that seems to be reliable.
So just like in a jury you might have one juror who says, though the guy is innocent
but the other jurors say the evidence says the guy is guilty, then in our society I've
often had the fantasy why not have three juries?
Because that would be so extensive.
But have a jury of judges, have a jury of peers, whoever they are, and a jury of psychics.
And then two out of three would provide the answer to the question.
That's an interesting idea.
Now, just during the course of our conversation here, my wife brought in two little plates.
One plate has an orange on it, unpeeled.
And the other has a chocolate chip cookie.
Ta-da!
I'm telling you right now that my arm keeps drifting toward the chocolate chip cookie and voluntarily rises over the orange.
Hold on, Doctor.
We'll be right back.
It's true.
See him?
I'm holding him up to the camera.
How about you?
How do you do with the test?
we'll be right back I'm running every time to see the face in sight, watching
in slow motion as you turn around and say, take off your helmet, take off your helmet.
I was a highwayman, along the coach roads I did ride, with sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young maid lost her marbles to life's rage.
Many a soldier shed his life blood on my blade.
Thank you.
you The master hung me in the spring of twenty-five.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
With the sea I did abide.
I sailed the school around the whole of New Mexico.
I went along to Pearl, the Maisel, in a boat.
And when the yards broke off, they said that I got killed.
But I'm living still.
I was a dam builder, across a river deep and wide, where steel and water didn't collide.
A place called Boulder on the wild heart of my home.
I slept and fell into the wet concrete below.
They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound.
But I am still around.
I've been around before.
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And all of you.
Please.
Gwen, you sent me a photograph and you asked, do I see the angels?
Do I see the Native Americans?
When I see Gwen, you see, when you send a photograph by fax, what you get on the other end is a black blob of nothing.
So it turns out being a waste of not only paper, but toner as well.
You just get a black blob.
That's all.
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Now, back to Professor Leo Sprinkle.
And Professor, somebody sends in two really good questions about past lives.
Tough questions.
If reincarnation was real, one, question one, why can't we remember our lives, life to life, so that We can improve our karma, have better karma.
If we can't remember and learn from something consciously, then reincarnation is pointless.
People can only remember, and he puts that in quotes, their past lives when involved in such highly suspect practices as past life regression.
I'm not sure if I understand the question in terms of if people could, if people do, It may come in the form of dreams.
It may come in the form of coincidences, visions.
There are lots of writers over the years who have described this.
But he's being very, very literal here.
He's saying, look, if I can't remember it consciously, if I can't remember the mistake I made last time consciously, what the hell good is it?
I'll give a point of view and perhaps the listener will learn something from it, perhaps not.
There are many people I've worked with who say they can't recall, even in practices such as past life exploration.
After all, if a person wants to explore past lives, how are you going to do it without exploring past lives?
The memory is the issue.
There are a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists who I have a lot of information about the experimental tests of memory and what is good memory and what is false memory and so forth.
With all of these controversies, I don't know if my comment will do much, but the point of view that I would like to express is that people, in my opinion, will go through an experience Over and over and over.
The educational model says if I don't like math in the 3rd grade I may not like math in the 6th grade.
I may not like math in the 9th grade.
But I'm going to get math.
Over and over and over until I either drop out of school and say to hell with it or until I say I'm going to deal with mathematics.
That's a depressing thought actually.
And so if a person wishes he or she could say it doesn't really matter.
Whether I remember my past lives or not because I'm going to be in a family of souls.
I'm going to be in relationships.
I'm going to be facing the questions of greed, of anger, of fear in every lifetime.
So the lessons will be coming to me whether I think they come from past lives or not.
They will be learned lessons.
This is the thing that is so exciting to me that instead of thinking that there is avenging Powerful God who is sitting somewhere judging an individual.
Think in terms of the own individual soul who is judging himself or herself over the lifetimes.
In school we often think that the teacher tells us whether we are doing good work or not.
As we get older in high school and then get into college and graduate school, after a That we know as much as the professors and we can decide which studies which we wish to engage and we determine the parameters and the criteria we'll use about whether our studies are successful and our conclusions are sound and that model to me is appealing in terms of saying if I'm a young soul I think that others are judging me, an older soul I'm judging myself.
All right, but overall, given time and generations and generations and generations, there should be a heightening level of spiritualism and consciousness.
That should be true, shouldn't it?
I think so.
This is what Hawkins argues in terms of his work that for many... Let me actually give you the question that this person asked.
This is their clinger.
It says, if reincarnation was real, And all these enlightened souls, in quotes, are returning to the earth to live again.
Why is society's moral fabric exponentially evaporating before our very eyes and things getting worse and worse?
Kids killing kids, that kind of thing.
Uh-huh.
I'll encourage the person, if he or she is willing, to read Power Versus Force by David Hawkins and look at the evidence that he has presented regarding the level of consciousness.
The argument is that a few people, a few percentage of people, are the criminals and the ones who pull us down through violence, anger, fear.
And there are a few people, the Buddhas, the Jesus types, the Saint Teresa and others, who pull us up.
And in general, the rest of us are kind of in the middle, and we vacillate between higher and lower levels of consciousness.
The marvelous thing is that whenever we see somebody break a barrier, we all tend to be inspired by that.
When Roger Bannister broke the four minute mile, others could do so.
I think the same way at the spiritual level.
When we see somebody demonstrate courage and love and strength, we all are impressed and we all, I think, are impacted by that.
That really is true.
I'm naive, perhaps, but at the same time I'm also optimistic that we are continuing to increase our level of consciousness and awareness.
That's a pretty good parallel.
It's true.
Once a record is broken, it seems as though it's then automatically almost broken again a year or two or even less later.
It's always broken again.
Once somebody realizes it's possible, then they do it.
Rupert Sheldrake, the English biologist, has developed a theory in terms of morphogenic fields.
He argues that rats, people, any species changes behavior as there is an increase in running a maze or in shooting the basketball or whatever the particular group is doing.
As one person increases, then others increase.
I'm pleased that in terms of UFO studies and in terms of reincarnation studies, as people
learn they seem to feel confident and stronger as a result of that and other people around
them are more willing to look into the possibilities.
So in your work with groups of people who are meditating or praying for beneficial effect,
I'm impressed by the work that Aaron and others have done in regard to group meditation.
I think it's a powerful force.
Are you aware of what I've done?
Yes.
I read the newsletter.
I don't stay up to listen, but if I had the ability to go without sleep, I would.
First of all, it's not what I've done.
I was wrong.
It's not what I've done.
I've just been the facilitator, and I decided to try some experiments, and they all worked.
I did a number of experiments with regard to producing rain where there was none, nor a forecast to be any, and it worked every time.
We tried a couple of healings.
They worked absolutely.
Both people said they absolutely felt strong energy.
I know all this sounds like woo-woo stuff, but I'm telling you, Oh, it's powerful.
It absolutely worked, and so then would you think it would be true that many minds concentrating on some result or influence are more powerful than a single mind at that attempt?
Yes, and Aaron's book, The Maharishi Effect, shows the results of studies that were done in terms of crime prevention and In terms of other social effects.
So the caller who is saying that things are getting worse, well Socrates said that society is going to the dogs and so we hear that in the Bible too.
Yes.
I don't know whether humanity is any worse or any better but at least Hawkins' work would suggest that our level of consciousness rose from what he calls 190 level to 204 during the 80s when the harmonic convergence was occurring.
So I'm hopeful that the Y2K time period, where everybody was poised mentally to find out what would happen, might have been a moment when a lot of minds were concentrating and hoping for the better.
Well that's an interesting view of it.
It may well be that calibration now would show another increase in our level of awareness.
Well, that's really an interesting view of the whole Y2K thing.
In other words, so much concentration and concern about it may have produced a favorable result.
Yes.
Wouldn't that be a kick?
Yeah, wouldn't that be a kick.
Because there were people who said there were certain absolutes that would occur.
That there were embedded chips and electric company stuff, and certain things were inevitable, and yet they didn't happen.
That's the interesting thing about prediction and prophecy.
Some people have pointed out that prediction is an intellectual exercise and prophecy is an emotional exercise.
It's meant to change our behavior.
The mother who says, Watch out, kid.
If you don't hold on to the handlebars of your bicycle, you'll fall off.
You'll hit your head.
Your eyeball will roll out.
You'll go down in the ocean, into the sea, and a fish will eat it.
Well, the mother isn't prophesying that.
She's trying to prevent it and so she wants the child to change his behavior in the same way so many prophecies seem to be horrendous and yet the attempt is to change behavior.
I recall when I was in the service the sergeants would yell at us, pay attention man this may save your life in Korea.
And all of the terrible things that we were told might happen, we were supposed to pay attention so they wouldn't happen.
I was told exactly the same things that it was about Vietnam when I was in Lackland.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's just exactly the way it said it.
We paid attention.
That's right.
Of course it works.
To come from the background that you come from, you know, hard science and military background and all the rest of it, to where you are now, that's an awfully big journey.
Yes.
Well, I was one of the lucky ones.
I was married and so I was sent to Germany, and the unmarried men were sent to Korea.
Many people have said over the years, you think in terms of the terrible things that are going on with UFO ET encounters, Well, I also see the terrible things that are going on between people, and I talk with a lot of persons who come from backgrounds where they've been raped or incested or they have been abused emotionally, spiritually, and sometimes it's very depressing to see what humans do to other humans.
It sure is.
But on the other hand, I also see the strength and vitality of people, and I've seen some who rise above those experiences and come to recognize that
when they learn to forgive others and when they learn to forgive themselves for being
in those kinds of situations that they recognize them as important lessons but not as
threatening as they once saw.
Speaking of threatening, the work of Dr. Jacobs, I would bet you read a book called The Threat
which really lays out a case that, yes, oh yes, all of this is absolutely real, but come
on, wise up folks, these are not our friends.
They're not doing friendly things.
And he views it as a threat.
How do you weigh in on that?
Yeah, in his earlier book, The Secret Life, and his first book on the UFO controversy in America, based upon his PhD dissertation, I know Dave and we're friends and we disagree.
I suspect there are a lot of good reasons why he has obtained the kind of data that he has from UFO experiences.
I have seen some of those same kinds of situations, but I've also seen other kinds of situations with people describing them.
Instead of just focusing on abductions, some people focus on abductions.
We can abduct, take away and abduct, go toward.
Some people think of themselves as being taken away from earth and some people think of themselves as being taken toward the stars.
Just like when I was in the service in 1952, some guys around me said we were taken out of our homes.
With the accounts of medical experimentation, that kind of thing, pretty widespread.
Yes, but there are other experiences besides the greys and besides the negative ETs.
There's a nice little book by Dr. Bill Baldwin called CE6, Encounters with Negative Aliens.
His work is releasing people from those kinds of experiences, those kinds of relationships.
So then you don't disagree that there may be some races that are not necessarily, that
don't have our best interests in mind.
There are, but you see if you look at it just like going down the street, you can turn toward
a policeman or you can turn toward a thug in the alley.
The question is why are some people headed down the alley and why are some people walking
down the street?
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Okay, good.
Stay right where you are then.
Dr. Leo Sprinkle is my guest.
We'll be right back.
Now these are powerful words.
Words of love.
It's probably the most powerful thing in the universe, I suspect.
So soft and tender won't win a girl's heart anymore.
If you love her, then you must take her somewhere where she's never been before.
More not phrases and lying gazes won't get you where you want to go
Oh, birds of a feather flock together It's not a heart, it's never a thing It's not a heart, it's
a thing It's all of a flame, it's not a dream It's a passion, it's
such a thing Please touch me, oh why did I get him?
It's not a heart, it's never a thing It's not a heart, it's a thing
It's all of a flame, it's not a dream It's a passion, it's such a thing
Please touch me, oh why did I get him?
I got a lot of those heartaches I got a lot of those tear drops
Heartaches, tear drops all the way Wanna take a ride?
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You know, there's a lot of energy in this record, and I think that's what I like about it.
Dr. Leo Sprinkle, you should have been paying attention to those phone numbers, because we are going to get stricken over the phone lines and let you ask whatever question you want, coming up in a moment.
Here's something to think about.
I kind of like this, all right?
I've always wondered if the Greys are friendly, sane beings or evil, insane beings.
I think you may have stumbled on the perfect litmus test for them.
Ramona's Cookies versus Orange Test.
Would they choose the cookie or the orange?
If they go for the cookie, we're okay.
But if they go for the orange, we're in trouble.
Right, Art?
i don't know by the way man wrote that uh... facts to me about the great
being uh...
friendly same beings or evil and savings he finishes up by saying in order
i don't think i want to be a federation beings a composite chocolate chip cookie
for an orange that's not the fact that
Welcome back, Doctor.
We're about to go to the phones, but here's one other really, really interesting fax responding to the first fax I had to the person who says that he can't remember his past lives and hence they don't exist.
Can he remember what he did on January 4th, two years before, no, make that after he was born?
The answer to that is obviously no.
So, does that part of his life not exist?
In other words, how much can we really remember, even in this life, let alone what happened a few centuries ago?
That's a really good point, isn't it?
Good point.
So, we don't remember in the first year or two.
We were alive, but we have no memories of it, not at all.
Some people do.
Well, I know they claim they do, but I don't know.
There's a book called Children Remember Birth by Chamberlain, and there's some good examples of people recalling consciously, and some in meditation or hypnosis recalling events, and then checking back with the mother or family members who confirmed the events.
Psychic or is that what we consider memory?
It raises a lot of interesting questions.
I can remember wearing diapers.
Now, that's an ugly thought.
It is an ugly thought.
I hated diapers.
I hated diapers.
That's about as early as I can remember.
Do you remember that?
I can't remember back that far.
Maybe you progressed straight to something else.
I remembered another event.
There's some good work by various psychoanalysts regarding earliest recollection and how we may choose something to happen when we are seven years old or five or four or three, but we choose an event that tells us something about life, whether life is threatening or comfortable, whether people are pleasant or mean, and something about the way we perceive ourselves.
So the earliest recollection May not necessarily be the earliest event that we could have remembered, but we glom on to it according to this notion in order to teach ourselves a lesson about life.
Fascinating.
All right, let's do it.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Professor Leo Sprinkle.
Hi.
Hi.
Hi there.
Where are you?
I'm from New Jersey.
New Jersey, okay.
Yes, and I think your programs are wonderful, Mr. Bell.
Thank you.
And I also was very interested in your I'm getting a feedback.
Are you hearing that?
No.
Okay.
I was also interested in your guest tonight.
He's wonderful.
I think we're probably around the same age.
I've had experience that has been what is classified as paranormal all my life.
I, too, turned into studying it and then became a psychotherapist.
And couldn't talk about it because I was afraid of losing my job.
So I really identified with what he said.
You know about, you know, if you say anything, you always lose your credibility.
How old are you, ma'am?
I'm 69.
69.
I'm retired now.
That's why I couldn't talk about it.
How about you, doctor?
I'll be 70 in August.
I'll see that.
So we are 69.
Close call.
Close call.
Right.
Right.
So good for you that you can talk about it.
Yes.
But I had something that Orgel has spoken about many times and that is about space travel and you can't do it because if we have space travel how are we going to get there and so forth and so on.
At one time I had a poltergeist.
That's not important.
But the experiences that I had were things disappearing and then coming back.
And I went to UCLA and what helped?
From a Dr. Annis who was with Dr. Selma Morse at that time.
That was in 1972.
And they examined you?
Yes.
And he said I was a sensitive.
And I said, well how do I get rid of this?
And he said, it's a gift.
And I said, I've caught a curse.
And he said, no, you should learn how to get more of it, but also learn to direct your energy someplace else.
That's actually kind of an interesting question.
A lot of people regard any sensitive ability they have more as a curse than as a blessing.
What would you say to them?
Doctor?
Oh, you're talking to me?
Sure.
I would say treat it as a curse as long as that's The way you feel about it?
The way you feel about it, but as soon as you're ready to relieve yourself of the curse, then see it as a blessing and work with it.
That's the same way whether it's a UFO experience, whether it's an out-of-body experience, whether it's premonitions or whatever.
For example, I worked with a nurse who would get impressions about when a patient was going to die and she didn't know whether to hold it back or blurt it out.
So she was accused of being a witch and blah, blah, blah.
Well, I suggested to her that she could talk with the relatives.
Sure.
Oh, no, sure.
You know I had a dream, if you call it a dream instead of a vision it's easier for people
to accept.
I had a dream that your uncle was not doing well.
Maybe you want to stop by and see him.
They'd stop by that weekend and see him and he'd die and they'd say, oh thank you so much.
She learned how to present the information in a way that was meaningful to the relatives
rather than was threatening.
Sure, oh no sure, that makes all the sense in the world.
I suppose that would be called a wise use.
Then she felt better about herself that she was able to help people rather than be feared by them.
I've talked to people, Doctor, some of the famous cases of near-death experiences, for example, who, following the near-death experience, they had a sudden floodgate opening of psychic ability, which faded then over years as they continued to live on, but was extremely strong So strong after the near-death experience that it was like a cacophony of voices flooding into their brain.
Yes, a lot of people have described that they fell from a ladder, hit their head, or had a serious illness of some kind.
Near-death experiences are a variety of ways when people are kind of propelled into the next level of awareness and that can be frightening just like a kid who is taken out of the country and put into a large campus university it's frightening but also it can be exciting if people are able to retain their sense of self and then to use some common sense as well as courage in how to deal with this new information.
Well that's asking a lot for the average person though isn't it?
Oh yeah.
You know if the average person is thrust into this kind of situation they probably question their sanity and a lot of other I've had so many people say to me, do you think these experiences happen?
I said, well, I don't know whether it's true for you, but other people have these kinds of experiences.
They said, I wish you'd tell me I'm crazy because it would be easier to deal with it and to have to learn how to be responsible and be more mature in dealing with it.
is a difficult one for many people, and some people choose to go crazy.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
I'm Art Bell.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening, Doctor.
You're going to have to yell at us a little.
Where are you?
Is that better?
Better, yes.
Hi, this is William from Portland calling.
Yes, sir.
And I had a comment for you, Art, and then a question for the doctor.
Sure.
This is just my gut feeling, but I was thinking about your dreams.
I think that it's a result of your laying in the pyramid, long-term effect.
Maybe it's opening up your psychic abilities.
But anyway, Doctor, good evening to you, sir.
That, by the way, sir, is called a wag, and that's a wild-ass guess.
Doctor, I just wondered, you may not be familiar with this case, but if so, could you comment on the Dr. Reed case and the alien in the freezer?
I've heard about it and I don't have any personal acquaintance with either Dr. Reed or people who know him so the only thing I can add is that from what I've read from people it sounds like some interesting things going on and I wish that I could read an article or a book or whatever that Would give more details.
I'll tell you this about it.
It's an incredible case with incredibly clear photography and what I've noticed about photographic evidence, Doctor, is that people are happy when they can say, oh look at that fuzzy at the edge of your imagination thing, but if it's extremely clear And it's obviously a crystal clear photograph of an alien or a craft or whatever it is.
Then people get angry.
And they say, oh, what a fraud.
And they really get angry.
Yeah.
And that's the case in the Dr. Reed case.
Interesting.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
How are you doing this evening?
Just fine.
Where are you?
Listen, I'm Jeff Waller.
I'm calling out of Dallas, Big 570.
Okay, Jeff.
Listen, I have a comment for you and a question for Dr. Sprinkle.
Listen, my dad was a colonel in the Air Force, retired out of Bergstrom Air Force Base, and he had some tours of duty.
He was at the Pentagon, Langley, Montgomery, at the Air War College, and retired out of Bergstrom.
Yes.
And my comment is, a couple of times, I actually had an occasion to speak with him on occasion Actually, only one time.
Actually, he actually divulged this information to me.
On one occasion, he was, as a fighter pilot instructor, he was observing his squadron on the deck out of Nevada, Nellis Air Force Base, I believe.
And he observed an object come upon his wingtip.
And these are things he told me, and only after I asked him After knowledge, I actually had to ask him one of these questions.
He told me that he saw these things come up on his wingtip one time, and it followed him for five to seven minutes.
He was on the deck in a T-33.
This thing took off at a 45 degree angle, accelerated at a speed that he estimated in excess of 10,000 miles an hour, made a right angle turn in the atmosphere at that rate of speed.
Of course, He did everything he could, as he told me, to keep him flying into a mountain, and went immediately to ops.
He told me he was debriefed.
He made no bones about it, the fact that they recorded the information.
It was an instructional flight, and all the information was sent on to the powers that be.
And on another occasion, after this, of course, I was born in 60s, and this was late 50s, and I was born in 60s, and he was on at the Pentagon.
He had an occasion to get to know one of the women in Project Blue Book at the Pentagon, at the actual office in the Pentagon.
It was quite alarming to understand that there were only five or eight or nine people involved
in that actual project directly.
One of the people was a woman who was the secretary.
He kind of humorously took her out on occasion and on occasion got her kind of tipsy at the
officers club.
The only time I ever saw my dad's goose bumps raise on his arms was when he told me what
she said after she got a little bit drunk.
She told him, Bob, all I do is shred papers and you would freak out if I told you what I read and shred.
Oh, man.
Isn't that kind of interesting?
Yes, it's really interesting.
I think most of us now firmly believe Blue Book was a total disinformation... A public informational type of thing.
Yeah.
But they were a civilian informational gathering group.
And they did investigate those.
Yeah, again.
Doctor, there you are.
You can hear privately over a few drinks and what you can get someone to say on the air.
They're really vastly different things.
Right, and the same way with J. Allen Hynek.
He was called in as a consultant and at first he was willing to dismiss most of the cases that he got, but then he began to get more and more and he changed his view from skepticism to acceptance of the ET reality.
There are a lot of people who think that, should it occur, an E.T.
contact should occur, Olenek would be the appropriate one to, I don't know, coordinate efforts on our side?
Well, maybe that's what he's doing on the other side now.
But there were a lot of people who thought that about him, though, that he would be the appropriate person.
Anyway, are you familiar, I know you are, with Bob Bigelow and with Nibs?
Yes, I've met him.
I've talked with some of the people who are working with him in his... Have you met Colm Culler?
No, I haven't.
Okay, well he works... It's not that I know him.
Actually, Colm now heads up NIDS.
And he came on the program, this program, and talked about The Ranch, a ranch they had purchased where some odd things were going on, and we don't disclose where that ranch is.
Anyway, one of the things he said is that one of their observers, scientists, On that ranch, using night vision equipment, saw, I know this is going to sound weird, but a misty, light-filled hole begin to form while looking across a field, a kind of a swirling hole, saw a being of some sort come through it and saw it close up again.
Interesting.
Now, as you know, they do pretty serious research.
A lot of people have described the notion of the window that seems to be a portal or a doorway
between What we think of as reality and another dimensional reality
and that seems to be an example of that kind of experience Do you in your mind professor separate the concept of
another dimension?
Pretty well supported by theoretical physicists now anyway Do you separate that and ufology and ghosts and the paranormal in general, or are they all the same thing?
I think there is a strong connection, not only in terms of the events that people describe, but also the perennial philosophy notion that there There are many mansions in my father's house.
Jesus was quoted as saying that what some people talk about in terms of the sky, meaning space, is different than when they talk about heaven.
The way I see it myself, although it's a tentative view, is that there are many, many levels of consciousness, many, many levels of intelligence, And some beings that we would think of as highly intelligent wouldn't necessarily have to have physical bodies.
So are they aliens or are they angels?
The question of the nomenclature becomes a puzzling one to me, but I accept the idea that just like energy can be up and down, we use water as a good example from ice to Rain to steam, different levels of water, well there could be different levels of intelligence and I think that many ETs use that as a cover whether we think of it as clandestine and evil or whether we think of it as a cover for their activities in helping us to evolve.
And you acknowledge it may be both?
And it may be both, right.
Okay, one other really big topic I want to cover with you.
We've got one more segment to go.
Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Professor Sprinkle, is my guest.
He's an old hand at this, perhaps researching longer or as long as anybody alive right now in these areas, so kind of an interesting guy, to say the least.
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Okay, once again, back to Professor Leo Sprinkle.
And Leo, let me ask you this.
Assume there is a federation, which I know you believe there is, of peoples that have contacted each other out there.
It seems reasonable and even logical.
Right now, I mean, there are many views of what's going on on Earth that you can take, but one, there's one big one going on now.
We seem to be undergoing a climate change, a serious one, too, at the moment.
Forty percent of the Arctic ice is gone.
We found out.
That was a secret they held during the Cold War.
The Antarctic is beginning to break up.
I've got another story on it.
In fact, this morning, big chunks of the Antarctic are going away.
Glaciers are in serious retreat.
There's a lot of environmental trouble going on on Earth.
I wonder if membership in that club, whether the invite doesn't come until you've passed the test I think that's a good possibility.
There have been writers like John White and Ruth Montgomery and others who have talked about a possibility of pole shift, Edgar Cayce prophecies, and a recent book, Zeta Talk, by Nancy Leder.
Many people predicted the possibility of a quick and violent pole shift.
I myself am hoping for a slow and non-destructive shift, but it certainly seems as if, as you've pointed out in the quickening, that a lot of things are happening physically, a lot of things are happening biologically, and a lot of things are happening in terms of our social awareness.
I now see TV announcers talking about the global warming, whereas a few years ago it was denied that there was a global warming.
At one level, it seems as if those of us who have had UFO experiences and have delved into these matters are already aware, and it seems as if the rest of society is gradually being conditioned to accept the idea that changes are occurring.
Being imbued with the concept that if we survive the discovery and development of element 92, then we graduate to the next level.
But he also seems to feel that while there are many type, he calls us type 0 planets, we're a type 0 planet, using fossil fuels, that sort of thing, that only a small percentage of them probably make it past that discovery.
Yeah, Carl Sagan and others talked about the possibility that an adolescent humanity can graduate to a higher level so that we're less destructive among ourselves and less likely to take weapons out into space.
Some people argue that if we do that, then we would be recognized as eligible for membership in the Federation.
My own personal view is that we're already members, just like a kid can be a member of a family, but all the relatives are hoping the kid will grow up and not get into too much trouble and gradually become a productive and reasonable citizen in the community.
I'd be willing to bet you money, Doctor, that we already have weapons in space.
Yeah.
And I'm hoping that those who are dealing with this will Get the same kind of feeling that the astronauts, when they go into space, that they look back and see the wonder of the planet and say, are we about to destroy other beautiful planets?
Ingo Swann, in his book, Penetration, describes seeing structures on the moon, and others have talked about structures on Mars.
I suspect that there's a huge community, and I'm hoping that we'll become eligible for joining that community formally.
That's why I'm a health nut.
I keep in shape.
I want to be around to see if formal recognition, public announcement actually occurs.
That's as good a reason to try and stick around as any.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
Good morning to you.
Hello?
Am I on the line?
Yes, yes, yes.
I have a question.
My name is Mike from California.
Yes, Mike.
I had an experience happen to where I basically made contact with a being that was completely humanoid looking, shaped everything, but it was a solid black shadow.
It was very dense.
It was human looking.
Have you ever heard of anything like that?
Yes, and I'll offer a tentative suggestion to you and see if it is helpful to you.
I like the idea that ETs often present themselves in ways that involve puns, plays on words, meanings and so forth.
It was very helpful.
It ended by walking into the front door of the house.
It had ears, fingers, everything, but it was just a solid black shadow.
Yeah.
Are you familiar with the Jungian notion of the shadow inside ourselves, the darker aspects of ourselves?
Yeah, but I've never seen one like this.
Ah, the monster is severed.
Well, I was wondering if in your meditations you can communicate with that aspect and see if you get more knowledge about not only your own self, but about society's shadow side.
Well, I read a little book.
Some guy, I can't remember his name, in the 1920s wrote a book about the shadow.
But another incident happened where I was asleep in bed.
I don't understand how you kept your cool during that.
If a being like that walked in on me, I'd say, OK, you're death.
I'm ready.
Let's go.
Well, it kind of, which would say, knocked me out.
Now, you know, that's interesting because I've heard that from a lot of abductees, a lot of experiencers of various kinds.
They say that they were put at ease.
That the emotions that I just described, you know, and I'd really be scared to death, frankly, but the emotions that I just described are all washed away by the beings.
That there is some sort of control and it's just like, you know, Valley and Central suddenly, they just calm you right down so that you don't have this panic attack.
Have you heard a lot of that?
Yes.
How much is technically induced or how much is higher consciousness?
I don't know, but maybe a combination, but certainly it seems as if people oftentimes move from a terror state to a tranquil state, and they can't understand how they move so quickly, but that description often occurs.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
Where are you, please?
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, hello.
I hear you there.
Yes, but you were going to say east of the Rockies.
I did.
You missed it.
Where are you?
I'm in New Orleans.
New Orleans.
Alright, well you're east of the Rockies.
You're qualified.
Yes.
This may go along with what he had said earlier about why can't we remember.
Yes.
And it really has to do with making an analogy.
With children, if children understood why, as you put it, if you don't get math in first grade, you're going to get it in third grade, you're going to get it in seventh grade.
These are life experiences, and if you already knew all of the things that you have to know in a lifetime, then it would really Do you know good to live that life?
What does Dr. Sprinkler think about that?
I can hear the breathlessness.
I ran down and he had a portable phone.
I didn't know how much of it was physical and how much of it was emotional.
I've done a lot of reading about this.
The comment is well taken.
Many people argue that going from one life to another, if we remembered everything about the past, then we might be flooded with more than we could deal with.
I remember talking with my wife one time when we were jogging early in the morning and the sun was coming over the hill and I said, this is great, let's get together in the next lifetime and she said, please, one life at a time.
Well, see, I agree because if we knew, some years ago, there was some, I didn't see the
movie, and it was some goofy movie about some billionaire who for one month was challenged
to be a street person.
But he knew that after one month he would go back to his normal life.
And so... I just saw that movie.
Oh, did you?
Yeah, it was great.
It was great.
It was absolutely great.
I didn't say goofy.
I'm sorry.
It wasn't goofy.
It was actually very well done.
The trailers were goofy.
Okay.
But my point being that if you know that it's temporary, I mean really consciously in this life, and you haven't done the meditation and you haven't done all these things, then you can get by because it's a blink of an eyelash.
And so you really don't have a life experience.
Good point.
We can fear the possibility of another incarnation and what we might have to learn, or we can try to stay in the middle.
Like in the Army, if someone came out and said, we need volunteers to help serve the meal, well, some people would turn away and they'd get caught.
Some people would look at the sergeant and get caught, but the people who were sharp, they looked just off to one side.
They don't want to rock the boat, so to speak, and so they just drift along from lifetime to lifetime.
But sooner or later, according to the theory, the lessons will be learned.
I did a lot of K.P.
You probably looked him in the eye.
What's with the Rockies?
You're on the air with Professor Sprint.
Why?
I saw those shadow people when I was a kid.
I don't know what they were, but I've never forgotten them.
Dr. Sprinkle, before I ask my question, I want to say thank you.
You're one of those people who have had a powerfully positive effect on my life.
Thank you.
I know that you have a wide circle of professional colleagues, and I'm wondering if you might recommend someone who is researching in the area of human genetic memory.
Good question and I'm not able to recall right now but there are some people who are doing work along this line and I'm not thinking of a specific name right now but if you write to me 105 South 4th Street in Laramie 82070 maybe by that time I'll be able to That's really, really good advice, and I'm going to ask you to give out that address again.
Also, your book, of course.
Where is your book available, Soul Samples?
It's available through Granite Publishing of Columbus, North Carolina, 28722.
Is it on Amazon.com?
I believe it's on Amazon.com and other If it's on Amazon.com, we've got a link to it right now.
So that's one way you can get it, folks.
Yeah.
Soul samples, personal explorations and reincarnation and UFO experiences.
And my office address is 105 South 4th Street in Laramie, Wyoming, 82070.
Okay.
There are going to be a lot of people.
You're going to get a lot of feedback from this program, Professor.
No question about it.
It takes a while, I take it, to respond.
Do you still accept, I don't know if patience is the right word?
I call them clients.
Clients?
Yes.
You do that?
Yes, I do.
It's a limited private practice, but sometimes people will come from other states and spend a day or so, and we'll go through UFO, ET encounters, or past lives, or both, depending upon their interests.
Some people find it very helpful.
Other people are interested in past life readings and I do that long distance or sitting session and get information that I don't know whether it's knowledge or not, I don't know whether it's true or not, but many people say that the information is helpful in getting a kind of a sketch of their plans and their activities in this lifetime and the spiritual journey that they're on.
How do most people accept that information when you give it to them?
The majority of people are not certain about whether the scenarios that are described are actually past lives or not, but many times they'll say, well, I don't know whether I was a Native American or whether I was a sailor, but still the feelings about that scenario Make sense in terms of their attitudes about their family or their spouse or themselves so that just like we could go to a movie and we could identify with the hero or the heroine and someone might say, well that was just a fantasy, that movie.
But on the other hand if it's well done then we see parts of ourselves in the way the hero or the heroine handled a crisis or how they dealt with the situation.
I'm still not convinced that it's necessarily past lives, but whatever source of information is coming through us during the session, it seems in most cases people say, well that's similar to the way I feel about myself.
The ratings from zero to nine on a ten point scale, the majority of people rate nine out of ten as similar to their own views about their personality or their Here's an interesting one for you.
values or what they're seeing in life.
I continue to do the research because I'm not sure of the source of the information,
but the information seems to be valuable to a lot of people.
Here's an interesting one for you.
Obviously, people with this kind of experience would gravitate toward you if they had the
knowledge that you were there and existed.
If they had some sort of serious experience they cannot explain and want to know about.
But what would happen if that same person went to the average psychiatrist, let's say, and explained in some detail an E.T.
type experience?
In this modern day and age, Yeah, it's getting better, although years ago people would say that they were turned away or they were rejected or demeaned in some way, that the person would not listen and would not see it as a viable topic, see it as a psychopathic or psychotic maybe even topic.
I used to say that first we were considered psychotic, then we were considered good.
Then we were considered kooky, and now we're considered feasible.
Feasible, huh?
So then there is some chance, even in the mainstream, it's not automatically... Not automatically.
In fact, some people, in my opinion, as they look back on it, they realize that being a patient for a physician, or being an allisan for a psychiatrist, Or dealing with professional people that they were helping the professional person learn.
It may have been kind of rough, just like a child who comes up with information that the parent can't handle, but in my opinion, many professors and many scientists are confounded by what UFO experiences develop and show to them.
I've often wondered if there were money available We bring half a dozen UFO experiences together who have had information about cancer cures.
Do you get a lot by consultation?
Or get some people together who have propulsion systems for UFOs.
Sure.
Usually these people have some information, but not all the information.
Because if they had all the information, they'd probably be disappearing into some unknown... unknown zoom.
Do you get quite a few by consultation?
Yes.
Recommendation by others.
Okay, Doctor, our time is up.
What a pleasure having you on the air.
It's been a pleasure for me.
Thank you so much.
I hope everybody runs out and grabs soul samples.
And also a book, King of Travelers, by Ed Martin, about Jesus' last years in India, and maybe someday Michael Robertson will get his work on lunar and solar eclipses and UFO sightings to the forefront.
There are so many people.
Thank you. At your time.
My love.
What a deal.
My thoughts could tell.
Just like an old time movie.
About a ghost from a wishing.
I.
The.
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Good morning everybody.
A little while ago we were talking about our earliest memories and I said, I remember when I was in diapers and I do.
And what I remember about them is they didn't absorb worth a damn.
I mean, Once you fouled yourself, you were walking with it until mom got around to you.
That's what I remember about diapers.
How about the rest of you?
Remember that early in your life?
About my first memory.
Damn diapers.
Before they had the cloth ones.
Which I guess dates me.
Anyway, we're headed toward open lines.
That's coming up next.
Stay planted.
The following has to be recognized.
This is from Peter in Milwaukee.
He says, you know, Hi Art, about Mission to Mars, the movie coming up.
They have a website.
I missed the commercials since I didn't watch the Super Bowl, and if you go to their website it says you'll never see their commercial again except on that website where you can see it as many times as you want.
Unless, of course, you have web TV like I do.
Some of these sites require Flash or other downloads.
But anyway, not the reason for the facts.
The reason is, on their website, they list links.
I raced over, expecting to find Richard Hoagland's site, and even Dr. Mark Carlotto's excellent site, and guess what?
All the links, and there are quite a number of them, are to NASA's sites.
What the hell is this all about?
It is Richard Hoagland, who's done the most to create interest in Cydonia, tirelessly working on it and writing the best book on it, and he is ignored?
NASA, which has been poo-pooing it, gets the linkages?
Is Richard going to let this sit, or do we do some faxing, emailing?
They've supplied an email number on their site to get at least his site listed on the Mars sites.
Related question, how much direct input did Richard have on Moody?
Script, ideas, and so forth.
I don't know.
We'll ask Richard.
But he certainly called our attention to it the other night when he was on.
And I think this factor is dead right.
NASA has done nothing but officially poo-poo the whole Cydonia thing.
Again, and again, and again, they've laughed it off and joked about it and been a little cruel at times.
And yet, they've been the consultants and get all the links on the website from the movie about... where?
Cydonia.
The old trick-of-light-and-shadows place, right?
I think the facts are a pretty good point.
West of the Rockies, you're on air.
Hello.
Hello, R. It's Rob from California.
Hollywood?
Yes, sir.
Sorry to cut me off guard there.
I was listening to each other.
I understand that Hollywood was originally called Hollywoodland.
Hollywoodland?
Yeah.
You didn't know that?
No.
Shame on you.
Really?
Yeah.
It was originally Hollywoodland.
Interesting.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
I remember the sign used to be longer.
I saw it on the 20s.
Footage of Hollywood and then land.
That's right.
I've got to go so long now.
So it's open minds right now, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, anyway, your guest was real interesting there.
Yes, he was.
And about...
Oh, by the way, tomorrow night you're going to want to be here because tomorrow night
I'm going to have a very, very, very, very interesting lady on who worked with the late
Father Malachi Morton.
Oh, yes.
And she's going to be here.
And I'm going to have a very, very, very, very interesting lady on who worked with the late
Father Malachi Morton.
And I'm going to have a very, very, very, very, very interesting lady on who worked with the
late Father Malachi Morton.
And I'm going to have a very, very, very, very, very interesting lady on who worked with the
late Father Malachi Morton.
She's Kathleen Keating and she's written a book called The Final Warning.
It's all about the kind of stuff that Malachi talked about.
It should be a really interesting program.
He's a wonderful man.
He's done a lot.
Yes, it's too bad.
The UFO thing, it's amazing.
The thing is, if you're familiar, Japan, the Japanese seem to really like the UFO phenomenon.
They do?
And here in America, they're scared of it.
It's funny, in Japan they embrace it, here we're terrified by it.
Oh look, the Japanese embrace it so much that they have sent film crews over here, bugger the hell out of me, I don't know how many times.
They go after the stories, whereas our press Um, you know, if a UFO gets in the shot, they try and turn the camera.
Well, that's correct.
I really don't get it.
And are you aware of a month ago that they sent a probe up to take pictures of Sedona?
Are you aware of that?
The Japanese?
Yes, I'm very aware.
And were you aware of what happened to our national security?
They told a military defense in Japan to come down right away.
And do you know what happened to them?
What happened to them, sir?
You didn't hear what happened?
What happened?
They came down to visit Washington.
Are you sure of that?
It was on the news.
they don't like it them to get pictures of the area they lifted up
attempt but the metal all that she took a graph of the white house and through
their car twenty feet nearly killed both of them both of the military defense
from japan or hospital i don't know if one of the better not but
their credit plan to are you sure that uh... it was on the news on it was on uh...
can't forgive me if i need it
when they went to the washington dc washer does Somebody sent me that story.
I hadn't really actually heard that.
Our government is really serious about not anyone ever taking pictures of that area.
All right.
I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
Well, I don't know.
That's one I hadn't heard.
But I do like the facts, sir.
I think that it is more than just a little strange.
That the agency that made so much fun of, and some of it not in fun at all, of those who talked about Sidonian, mainly Richard, really laid into him at times, are actually the consultants on the movie.
Hello.
What's wrong with this picture?
First time going online?
You're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
Hello.
Hi.
I talked to my wife.
Hi Art!
Hello!
My husband and I, this is Sandy and Roger on Loewe.
Okay.
My husband and I sent you a book a few weeks ago written by a man who has been having experiences out of the body communicating with people who have left their bodies.
Yes.
His work is actually retrieval of souls to help people who have gotten stuck on their way out to the beyond.
Yes.
I don't know if you've read it.
His name is Bruce Moen.
I know we have the book.
I have not yet read it.
Well, we thought you'd be very interested in it.
I know you have a fascination with ghosts, and he deals with those folks.
He says that ghosts are souls who have gotten stuck, just kind of not understood.
That they've died and are ready to make that transition.
I've got you.
Well, ghosts are very important.
Ghosts are the reason that I solicit ghost stories all the time.
The reasons why I do more and more shows on ghosts is because, obviously, if ghost stories are real, and there are so many of them, if ghost stories are real, then there is a life, there is an existence of some sort that follows this one.
It's simply another Path to proof of life after this one.
A very important... It's a very important path to follow, so... I'm sure I'll get to the book, and that's my answer, that yes, I bore in on this subject for that exact reason.
It's important.
If ghosts are real, then The rest of all this stuff we talk about has a distinct possibility of being real, doesn't it?
Like existence after this one.
Probability of it.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air, hi.
Hey Art, how you doing?
Alright.
I just had a question.
I just noticed you don't go out there as much as you usually do.
Go out there?
Yeah, on the line.
Yeah, on the radio.
What do you mean?
Well, because like Friday you wasn't in.
And Monday.
Oh, you mean I'm not on on Monday?
Yes, sir.
Well, there's a reason for that, sir.
I'm not on Mondays and Fridays.
I'm on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays.
Well, my roommate, he's a very diehard fan of yours, and he says, hi, his name's Richard.
Hello, Richard.
All right, nice talking to you.
All right, take care.
East of the Rockies, you're on air.
Hello.
Well, there's a reason for that.
Yes, sir.
Please turn your radio off.
Let me get the radio.
That's good.
Art.
Yes, sir.
From Chicago, WLS.
Yes, sir.
I'm just calling to tell you, In the Sun Times, the Chicago Sun Times, they have an article about the Little Sighting.
The Little Sighting?
Yeah, you know, those police officers.
Little Sighting?
You call a sighting that involved almost a half dozen police departments?
Eyewitness testimony from trained officers?
That's not a Little Sighting, sir.
That's a big mother of a sighting.
I know, but if you would have heard the way Fox handled it, it was a joke.
Well, we're going to have to put up with that for a while.
Anybody who listened to those police officers on my program knows damn well it was nothing to laugh at.
The thing that really got me, though, is when they showed the story originally, they gave it a lot of validity.
Two nights later, they had a specialist on that said it was venous.
I called the station and let them have it.
It sounds like, you know, we could make a good song, Venus at Treetop Level.
Yeah, exactly.
They also had one of the officers on.
And then on the second thing, they had him on there too to imply that that's what he saw.
Like I said, I called the station and I let them have it.
But anyhow, this was on January 19th.
In the newspaper, I'm pretty sure they have a website that you can go to and get the article.
Chicago sometimes, huh?
Yes.
Alright, I appreciate the call, sir.
Thank you.
What am I to say about that?
The media is... The mainstream media can't avoid the temptation to smirk and laugh and deride, and that's what they do.
They have to do it.
Because, I mean, think about it a little bit.
If they didn't do that, that would mean they'd have to deal with it straight on as a serious story.
Huh.
And they couldn't have that, could they?
So you've got to do one or the other.
And I suppose it's a whole lot easier to smirk than it is to dispatch somebody to get proof.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art, I have one thing for you here.
All right, where are you, sir?
I'm Clyde from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
Alberta, a neighbor, yes.
Yes, if you take the alphabet with A equals 1, B equals 2, 3 equals C, and you spell it on a computer, C would equal 3 then, or 3 would equal, C would equal multiples of 6.
6, 6, 6, right?
Equals 6, 6, yes, that's right.
That's kind of amazing, I don't know what that means, but... You don't know what it means?
Well, I mean, I know what it means, but I mean, I think that's pretty amazing how that's like that.
Does it seem like a random number to you?
An amazing random number?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Now, when you see it, you know when I shave my forehead?
There it is.
666.
I'm puzzled about the same thing, sir.
I appreciate your call.
Thank you.
I just, you know, said, ah, look at that.
Three sixes.
What a coincidence.
Then I let my hair grow back.
Most of the Rockies are on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Yes.
I'm on the line.
Thanks.
Hi Art.
Nice topic tonight.
I think tonight your guess was better than the rest of the nights.
I just wanted to let you know my opinion.
One thing I was thinking is that it seems that a lot of the time, I'm only 31, and it seems as though that life is more Really?
Well, it seems.
What to you is boring about life?
Well, for example, all of these things that we are talking about seem to happen very infrequently.
I think that's a good thing.
I would love for these types of situations to occur.
Or to see... Well, I'm beginning to think... You know what I'm beginning to think?
What?
That all you need to do is to wish for it to happen.
I really mean that.
In other words, if you concentrate on these paranormal events and think about them and consider them, they will occur.
How about that?
Well, that's... So if you're bored now, just, you know, Get around to a new way of thinking and wait a while and you'll have the surprise of your life.
Could I just say one thing before you hang up?
Yes.
The thing is that I would totally be open to it and I am open to it.
If I could meet an alien and converse and go forward with that, I'm totally ready to do that.
But I think, I wonder sometimes if we as a society are not addicted to being excited And to hoping for these types of possibilities.
Of course we are!
Right.
And it seems that more that that may be the more simple answer that that we are actually trying to strive to be excited and to get away from being so bored.
And it's not necessarily real experience.
It's more for our own self.
Oh, I OK, I disagree with that.
OK, well, I mean, I hope I'm wrong.
Honestly, I hope I'm wrong, but it just seems that we're so addicted from Hollywood, all the movies that we see, they're so exciting, and we're like grown-up to think that we're so special and we can be movie stars and all this stuff, and it just seems that more often than not, the more simple answer is true, and the more kind of... That's Occam's razor.
I don't know, it just seems that way to me, and it seems that You know, the more interesting kind of topics you have, the more sponsors you can kind of, you know, create and have commercials for and propagate it.
Yes, yes.
Oh, all of that's true.
But the other way to think about it is the only reason There's so much talk about this, so much interest in this.
It attracts people, i.e.
ratings, i.e.
sponsors, blah, blah, blah.
In other words, the reason it succeeds is because so many people are interested in it.
And the more people that get interested in it, the more people begin to have experiences.
Doesn't that almost support my theory that If you're interested in it, if you're open to it... No, not necessarily.
We're talking about its occurrence, or its experience by a person.
You're suggesting it's all within the mind.
I'm saying, well, the process to get there may be within the mind, but it may be as real, as I said, in the dreamland open as the air you breathe.
You see?
I hope it is, and I'm open to it.
It's just, you know, nothing's presented itself.
And I guess I just, you know, I wish these aliens would just come down and just, come on, let's get it over with!
Sometimes, you can't see past the nose on your face.
Other times, you can see for miles.
Miles.
Miles.
Just a matter of opening your eyes at the right time.
We'll be right back.
I know that you have cause there's magic in my eyes I can see you for miles and miles and miles and miles and
miles Oh yeah
If you think that I told you all about the little tricks you play
I'll never see you again Blue sky, sunshine, what a day to take a walk in the park
I scream daydream till the sky becomes a blanket of stars What a day for me and Daisy and lots of purple moon
Oh, that's such a happy little song, isn't it?
It's Sunday, the sun's out, the flowers are blooming, the birds are chirping, you're walking down a lane and...
All of a sudden, there it is!
An alien grey with a giant probe, and it's looking right at you.
Alright, back to open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
On the international line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, let me get my radio.
Yes, get that radio.
Art?
Yes.
It's so nice to talk to you.
And to you.
I've been listening to you for a long time.
I've been here a long time.
Yes, you have.
You got me through a lot of things.
Where are you, pray tell?
I'm in Vancouver, B.C.
Actually, I'm in Port Coquitlam, B.C.
Suburb.
Suburb, right.
You're greatly appreciated, and I don't know how much longer you yourself are going to be on the air.
You never know.
What's that?
You never know.
Well, I've been listening to you since probably about 92.
Which is quite a long time.
Yes.
And I just want to tell you, you're greatly appreciated.
And out of all your guest hosts and everything, none of them compares to you.
Oh, well.
You're the man.
Oh, well, I've been here a while.
That's why, as you point out.
Thank you very much for the call.
You know, you do this for a long time, and it's in your blood or something.
And you never know about life.
One day to the next, you never, ever know.
As those aboard that ill-fated airplane, one of them, Cynthia from KSFO, Cynthia who preceded my show, she was on that plane.
And so, you just never know.
One day to the next.
And you said, therefore, you should live your life, I am told.
And I'm telling you, as though it were your last, because it could always be.
These things happen.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
This is Dave from Duncan, B.C.
Hey, Dave.
I just want to tell you that I'm a little nervous, but I've seen UFOs all through my life.
Did you by any chance get to experience, you're in British Columbia, did you get to experience that monster of a thing that blew up over BC?
No, I didn't see that.
Well, it was in the news everywhere.
No, but I'm just new to the island from London, Ontario.
Oh, I see.
And I've been here six months, but I've seen UFOs almost every other night.
It's just awesome.
The first one I've seen was in 78.
I had an experience with my buddy Tim on the beach in Grand Bend.
We were practicing our Kung Fu, blocking punches and kicks, sort of blindfolded.
Blindfolded?
Well, we were in meditation and we had certain abilities.
He would think of thought and I could see him thinking That color or that number, we had certain abilities.
And how many times did you end up picking yourself up off the ground saying, think harder?
Well, I don't know.
Well look, you're just joining the crowd.
Look, if you go outside, I can almost guarantee you this, people will not take the time to do it and they won't listen to me.
But if you'll go outside, like the movie, on any given Sunday, almost on any given night, and you'll spend an hour or two, which is asking a lot I know, Looking into the sky, you will see something you cannot identify.
That doesn't make sense.
I can almost guarantee it.
But people don't do it.
They don't go outside.
And they don't look up.
And when they do, when we have, oh you know, when we have eclipses, or there's some reason, or there's a launch from Vandenberg, or whatever it is, and people have a reason to look up, then all of a sudden they begin to see things.
There's a lot going on up there.
If you get out and look.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
How you doing?
Okay.
Yeah.
This is James talking to you from Lumberton, North Carolina.
Listen, WFNC.
Lumberton, North Carolina.
Yeah, we've had double whammies with the hurricanes and now the snowstorm.
I know.
It's like, what is it?
Bad weather?
Turn your radio off there, first of all.
That's important.
Mute it down.
Mute it all the way down.
It's like your area of North Carolina is a magnet for terrible weather.
Whether it's a hurricane, or in the wintertime, it's a snowstorm, or a nice storm, it comes right at you.
Oh, it's kicking our butt.
And here in Lumberton, they've basically run all the factories off.
And the pig farms, a lot of them are having to close out.
So basically we're turning into a retirement center.
Well, a lot of North Carolina is really beautiful and it makes a good place to retire to.
Cost of living is very reasonable.
It's a nice place.
Well, I just wanted to say enjoy listening to your show.
I wanted to tell you one quick thing before I hang up.
And that is?
And that was after the Hurricane Floyd.
I filmed some of it.
As it was crashing on my house and stuff, and I was going to send you a tape, but I got diabetes and I had to go in the hospital and stuff.
Had to never do it.
Sir, do you hear that?
At the end of that storm, as it was heading on out about sunrise, I caught on tape this red light that was following it as it was heading out, and that light went off the horizon towards the ocean.
We're about 70 miles from the ocean.
You got all that on tape, huh?
Got it on tape.
I'll send it to you.
When you're able to send it, please do send it to me.
There is something about that part of North Carolina that really has just been cursed with the weather lately.
I don't get it.
Every hurricane, no matter what machination it takes in its route, it makes it to North Carolina.
Coming from the The East, the South, even the West.
It always gets to North Carolina.
Same thing with all the winter bad, terrible storms that bring down lines.
They're all making it to North Carolina.
Something about that state.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
Hi Art.
Hello.
I got a question for you.
Alright.
With what, year 2000 problem, what did you expect from that?
I had no expectations other than what I was told, you know, that there were a lot of embedded chips that there couldn't be anything done about, but it got here and nothing happened.
I didn't think much of what happened with that, but I've heard that the Pentagon is not compliant.
Do you know if there's any truth to that?
Oh yeah.
Sure, they had a very serious Y2K problem at the Pentagon, which they actually announced That New Year's Eve, they actually came on CNN and said that they had had some satellites, some very important ones, go down and yes, oh yes, and computers, they had quite a bit of trouble.
The one thing I will notice about Y2K, despite the fact that by and large there was no problem, there have been an awful lot of things that have gone wrong.
And every single one of them always tags it, no matter what it is, no matter what went down, no matter what computer system fell off.
They always say, but it's not Y2K related.
I don't care what it is.
Even in the radio industry, the ratings are late.
Normally the ratings should have been out like three weeks ago, but something happened to the computers and the diaries, they call them, and But it's not Y2K related.
That was the latest.
And I don't know how many of those I've heard.
It's a standard disclaimer line.
But not Y2K related.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Mr. Bell.
I was wondering if you could get a guest on.
It's called... Sir, you're going to have to yell at me.
A guest... Yeah, there's a guest called Jack Van Impey.
I was wondering if you ever had him on before.
Jack Van Im?
Jack Van Impey.
Yes.
I got him on.
Oh, you have had him on?
Yes, sir.
What do you think is possible to get him on back on again?
Certainly possible.
OK, I'm calling from the United States.
I live in the United States, actually.
I'm calling from Canada.
Yes.
I guess that on the international line.
That's right.
All right.
Well, I'll take that as an advisement.
Thank you.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
How are you today?
OK.
Is this Oklahoma?
Yes.
I have a quick question.
Yes.
I was just wondering, I'm doing a research project on time travel.
What is your opinion on that?
Can it be done?
Generally on time travel?
Yep.
Yes, my opinion is that it can be done.
You want a fast opinion?
There it is.
Yes.
Have I done it?
No.
Do I think it can be done?
Yes.
What about the scientists?
What about the physicists?
What do they think?
Well, they think, when we get enough power, we'll be able to travel in time.
So, if there is a future, and if time is a linear thing that progresses on, and humans continue, then we will acquire time travel.
Which may mean that they may be here now.
Sure.
I think it's possible.
Wells to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
I've been listening to you since 1994.
Yes.
Thank you all for giving these dates and making me feel so old.
I appreciate that.
Well, listen, since I've been such a long-time listener, I have had the pleasure of listening to Major Ed Daines at least seven times.
Oh, yes.
And I've gone to his website and actually listened to older broadcasts.
And I've got to tell you, he's still one of my favorite guests.
Same here.
Each broadcast lately it seems like he reveals less and less and it's a little bit of a disappointment.
I think back to the last show for example.
He's great because he's always on your show for four or five hours.
But I think back to what I learned on his last appearance and it's like the big announcement was that he's going into teaching.
It's just a little bit of a disappointment.
Well, there was a lot more than that in that show now.
Come on, be fair.
It seems like a lot of it is just rehash.
Well, a lot of it is rehash, which would have to be.
In other words, if you've got a man here talking about the future, what he believes is coming shortly, and every time he came on the show it was something different, then you'd begin to say, what the hell?
I mean, a certain amount of consistency has to be.
He's been saying for a long time that the weather is going to very much worsen, that it's going to be a product of the sun, that there's going to be a lot of disease as a result of that, and why would you expect that to change from show to show?
Well, I remember him saying that a few years ago that he wasn't even interested in writing a book.
You know, as far as teaching, that was going to be out of the question.
Y2K was going to be a non-event because of the solar flares that were going to be hitting in the spring of last year.
Well, times are very hard to pin down.
He did say Y2K would be a non-event.
He did say that.
And that it would be eclipsed by an event from the sun.
Now, our sun is presently doing backflips, so with With that in mind, and with the fact that a time is very difficult to call with regard to remote viewing, and he'd be the first one to tell you that, I don't think I've relaxed just yet.
Oh, I'm not.
But just, I don't know, I'm a little less excited about remote viewing these days.
I was really thinking about ordering the tapes.
It always seems to be followed by a, yeah, you can do this for remote viewing, but... Did you hear my guess last night?
What he was doing on the Super Bowl, a month ago, he said that, you know, for sure, he got a Florida team.
I know.
And he came right out and said he blew that one big time.
Well, he said that there's a gatekeeper.
Yep.
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
Really?
Yeah, because it's either you get it or you don't.
How do they know there's a gatekeeper?
Well, that seems reasonable to me.
Because there's a gatekeeper everywhere.
Well, it seems to me that if there's a gatekeeper, why wouldn't you be able to remote view the winner of the Super Bowl right now?
I mean, if there's a gatekeeper to prevent you from gambling, obviously you couldn't gamble on the Super Bowl right now.
So could you remote-view the winner of the Super Bowl right now?
Let me stop you for a second.
I'm going to shortly have Ingo Swann on, who's kind of like the father of remote-viewing.
And you heard Professor Sprinkle tonight refer to Ingo Swann.
I don't think there's any doubt About the fact that remote viewing is real.
You know, I've interviewed too many people, too many scientists, too many, you know, Ph.D.
types who have studied this really carefully, and they all say it's absolutely real.
I would just, I would, okay, I got you there, but I would love to know that.
If there's a gatekeeper to prevent you from gambling, well then you should be able to remote view the winner of the Super Bowl right now, because there's no way you could make any money on it.
That would be a very good question for Ingo Swann.
Remote view?
The Super Bowl, the winner of the Super Bowl, like right now.
Which one?
For next year?
No, no, no, no.
This last one?
Yeah.
Well, what are people going to say about that?
Now, suppose I go, oh, oh, oh.
I'm concentrating!
It's going to be St.
Louis!
It's going to be close to a yard!
One yard!
Oh my God!
Now, what do you think people would say if I presented that as genuine?
Huh?
I'd have mud all over me!
Well, but see, I'm questioning it even with Ed remote viewing it a month in advance.
And again, saying, well, I know, but at least... Oh, come on now, but at least give me a break here.
At least when you do it a month in advance, people can say, man, you screwed that one up, didn't you?
Wasn't a foreign team, was it?
But remote viewing one in reverse, it's already happened.
I could give you yesterday's Dow Jones results and the NASDAQ, too.
What are you going to do with that?
First time going online, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, this is Stan Paul from the Tri-Cities.
Hi there.
How's it going tonight?
Alright.
Yeah, you were talking about your dreams that one night.
Oh, yes.
Did you ever come to any senses of what it might mean to you?
Not even close.
Well, you had a caller talking about the pyramids.
You don't have any urges of going back there again, do you?
No.
You don't?
Well, no.
I mean, you know... No, actually I don't.
It was really dusty.
Camels, they're smelly, and they spit at you.
Did you know that?
Yeah, I know.
I've rode them before.
Right.
And then they don't let you down until you pay the guy?
You're like 15 feet in the air, you know.
Well, yeah, they'll step on you if they don't like you.
It's the spitting part that I find particularly objectionable.
I have a question.
When you went to Egypt, Now, when you laid down in the Shakofkus, was there any type of sound vibrating from the whole area that you were in?
The sound that I made resonated.
Came from you?
In a way that I had never heard before.
Huh.
Does that help you?
In other words, I made some sounds in the sarcophagus, and they came back to me in an echoey way, resonating in a way that I've never heard before.
Kind of like a back feed from it, or?
Something like that.
Hmm.
Well, I'm kind of a miner myself, and I've been in the cave really, I mean, talking deep in the earth, and there's kind of a, you can feel kind of a reminiscence from the center of the earth.
I don't know about the center.
By the way, that reminds me.
Thank you.
I'm going to have Bonnie Crystal on again.
She's the caver.
And there is some proprietary information that she has.
And she wants to tell you about it.
She's trying to figure out a way to do it.
Some amazing information.
And I guess I can't say more than that.
She'll have to figure out how to tell you.
What she has discovered is, or remains, a secret for a while.
It must.
A wild card line?
You're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, let me give my radio.
Just a second.
All right.
Extinguish thy radio.
Hi, Art.
This is Lowell in Seattle.
Hello, Lowell.
Yeah, and, you know, a little while ago you were talking about people No, they don't.
That's right.
Yes.
No they don't.
The UFOs up there, they don't see them because people aren't looking up.
That's right.
And I've been interested in astronomy all my life since I don't know, age nine or whatever.
Yes.
And I thought it would be nice, well I can't afford it, but you know to get it fixed up
in a home where in the bedroom you'd have like a...
Giant bubble.
Yeah, right, exactly.
And have the bed fixed up so that it's unhydraulic so you could move it up into it.
And just watch the sky.
Up you go, right into the bubble.
Yeah, that would be absolutely wonderful.
What a great idea.
And you know, why is it?
Have you ever wondered, why do humans have all their windows looking out horizontally?
Why?
I mean, I don't care where you look, from house to house to house to house.
Where are the windows?
They're looking out on the street.
I know.
They're looking out at the bushes.
But are they looking up?
No.
Why don't we have windows that look up?
I've never seen anything like that set up in a house, but that would be absolutely wonderful.
Well, there's probably a reason why.
We are culturally conditioned not to look up.
Because, I mean, you're absolutely right.
You just said somebody could make a million dollars with that idea.
We call it the bubble bedroom.
Right.
I like it.
Okay, I'll let you go.
Thanks.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yeah, you mentioned earlier in your show that George W. gave you the creeps.
That's right.
I personally think that the Bushes are members of the Illuminati.
Well, I've heard that.
Skull and crossbones, the whole thing.
Well, he just seemed, well, when his dad was president, it just seemed like he was kind of like a puppet.
Well, you know, I didn't like the last part of the, uh, not too many people like the last part of Bush presidency, and so, you know, I looked at, it may simply be his resemblance to his father, I don't know.
But I look at him, and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I get the creeps.
Yeah.
It's this whole money thing.
He's got all this money and the Iraq War.
One minute we're on the Iraq side and another minute we're against him.
The Vietnam War thing and everything else.
No, I'm with you.
It's probably unfair because I can't exactly identify why I feel the way I do, but I look at George and he's just a creep.
He smiles.
That's it for tonight.
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