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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Explorations in Reincarnation - Leo Sprinkle

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unidentified		Artbell is taking your calls from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nigh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are about to hear from one of the pioneers in ufology, a contactee research, a reincarnation research in America.
		He is Professor Leo Sprinkle.
		And so, I suggest you hold on to that because it's coming up next.
		He's really something.
		Well, Professor Leo Sprinkle is a legend.
		He's written a book with a really intriguing title.
unidentified		It's called Soul Samples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is intriguing, isn't it?
		Soul Samples.
		Dr. Sprinkle began his career in psychology with the idea of being a conventional practicing scientist, in quotes, in the traditional sense.
		However, two close encounters with UFOs shattered his conventional reality and shifted his direction in life.
		That's what it'll do for you.
		And the second incident experienced with his wife, well, he knew he had to investigate the UFO phenomena, and it would be a lonely task, and I'm sure it's proved to be that.
		Dr. Sprinkle began his investigations from the conventional viewpoint, but found he was unable to make further progress until he became aware of and accepted the physical aspects of the UFO phenomena.
		He became more and more skeptical, ironically, not of the reality of flying saucers, but of the concept of reality itself as defined and developed by the current scientific community.
		A pioneer in the UFO field, Dr. Sprinkle, was in the limelight early on, participated, get this, in many regional and national television programs, including ABC TV's That's Incredible, NBC TV with Tom Snyder, you know, The Tomorrow Show, NBC's UFO's Factor of Fantasy.
		He's appeared on many panels with scientists like J. Allen Hynek, Carl Sagan, Ruth Montgomery, included a chapter on Sprinkle's activities in her 85 book, Aliens Among Us.
		He received his Ph.D. in counseling psychology from the University of Missouri in 1961, completed his MA and MPS at the University of Colorado, 52 and 56, respectively.
		Dr. Sprinkle was a professor of counseling services at the University of Wyoming for about 13 years of his career.
		He served as director of counseling services currently.
		He's professor emeritus of counseling services at the University of Wyoming and a counseling psychologist in Laramie.
		He's nationally certified and licensed and a registered counsel for the National Register of Health Service Providers.
		And I could go on and on.
		You get the idea.
		He's a heavyweight.
		Here he is, Dr. Leo Springle.
		Doctor, welcome to the program.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Pleasure to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've been around doing this for a while, huh?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		For a while, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long, actually?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I started surveys in 1961 and 62 at the University of North Dakota.
		And then when I came to the University of Wyoming in 63 and 64, I continued with surveys and also began individual sessions with persons that had UFO ET encounters.
		So it's been the last 40 years that I've been involved in professional research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		40 years, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if memory serves me, which it does less and less lately, I think that I interviewed you on a program called Area 2000 in Las Vegas a long time ago.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
		Your memory may be correct, but mine is such that I can't really confirm it.
		I don't recall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it happens to us.
		Yeah, I think we did talk once before.
		But this would be just like a whole new talk.
		When I last talked to you, I was speaking purely as a, well, I don't know, I was not initiated into the reality of what is.
		And since that time, I've had two experiences with craft that were impossible.
		Close experiences.
		And the conclusion I came to after seeing what I saw was that either we have technology that's so far ahead of anything we can even imagine, you know, anti-gravity, all the rest of it, or it's from elsewhere or else when.
		I don't know.
		But you can only come to those conclusions.
		It boils down to that.
		This thing was 150 feet above me, a triangle, because it's from a rock at the damn thing.
		I was with my wife, came over silently, not making a sound, a gigantic thing, you know, stars went away, moon went away.
		Really a close encounter.
		It changes you.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess that's what happened to you, huh?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in 1949, a buddy and I saw a flying saucer over the University of Colorado in Boulder.
		Of course, I didn't believe in flying saucers in 1949 because of the way that newspapers and other media treated those who saw or claimed that they saw flying saucers.
		So I dismissed it in some ways, tried not to think about it, didn't want to talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good way to ruin an academic career.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Went through a period of kind of a mild depression because of the change that I knew was happening in my views about science and reality.
		And then in 1956, my wife and I had a sighting.
		And so after that, I thought, okay, I'm slow, but I'm able to recognize that after two sightings, something is going on that can't be explained through the conventional views.
		And so that's when I began to read.
		And then when I finished...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember much of that first...
		Well, I know you do.
		Of the one you and your wife had, what did you see?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		In the 56 sighting, we were returning from Denver looking over the valley of Boulder.
		Colorado.
		And the sun had set and the sky was beginning to darken.
		And we saw what we thought was an evening star, a planet, over the Flatirons, the Rocky Mountain foothills.
		But it began to move.
		And so I stopped the car.
		We watched.
		My wife, Marilyn, remembers it as moving back and forth like a pendulum.
		I remembered it more of a falling leaf kind of pattern.
		And as we watched, as we got out and looked at it, we saw that now it was below the Flatirons, not above.
		And so it wouldn't be a planet or a star.
		And yet it wasn't a helicopter.
		We couldn't hear any sound and no airplane.
		So it was a strange object or light that hovered and then moved, hovered, moved.
		If it were over the town, as I imagined it to be, about the size of a helicopter, if it were against the foothills, it would be huge like the university building.
		Whatever it was, puzzled and fascinated me.
		And I thought that people around, I could see car lights turning on down below.
		I could hear car horns.
		I thought there must be other people who were witnessing what we were seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		But the next day, no mention in the newspapers.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		So I said, uh-oh, it's happening, but there's not much public recognition of what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still is.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yep, you're right.
		that's really a good question for you do you think that will change I think it's changing gradually more and more people are involved in 49 when my buddy and I saw Flying Saucer there was a lot of newspaper hype but it was more in the sense of sensationalism according to some people and wasn't accepted by the general public.
		Now I think that the general public, well partly because of people like you and others who have brought information to the forefront, there's not only a recognition by the public in general, but there are more and more people who are military, professional, governmental, who are accepting the information as an indication of extraterrestrial presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, I had two airline pilots on who were 100 miles apart down in Texas, you know, driving heavy 747s and such.
		And they came on the air and they described what they saw.
		That was a first.
		And I had two police officers here a couple of weeks ago from the state of Illinois come on and describe what they saw.
		That was a first.
		And there were about, oh, I don't know, seven or eight different police departments that all saw this thing.
		Large triangular, again, triangular objects.
		So, you know, the professions are beginning to come forward now.
		Air traffic controllers, those kinds of people.
		I've had them on the show recently.
		People are starting to talk.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And the literature has changed from tabloid to more middle class literature and now the upper class literature.
		Some of the higher newspapers and writers are focusing on the perspective of ET presence.
		So there is a shift and in my view, it's likely that next few years there'll be almost a necessity for those in authority to recognize that they're caught between continuing cover-up or releasing information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't question the fact of a cover-up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe that factions at least of our government know?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		One young man asked me, he said, Leo, do you think there's a cover-up?
		And I said, yes, I think there's evidence for a cover-up at the ET level.
		I think there's evidence for cover-up at the governmental level.
		But I said, I know damn well there's cover-up at the personal level.
		And he looked at me kind of strangely because he just got through telling me, Leo, don't tell anybody about my sighting.
		If we don't talk about our personal sightings, then how can we expect people in governmental circles to talk about what they know?
		So I know a lot of people want it to come from the top down, but I think the push is from the bottom up.
		I think as we, as a humanity, become more and more aware, then we will almost automatically give encouragement to the authorities to release information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Academically, just toying with the idea for a moment, if there is a cover-up, let us assume for the sake of this discussion there is, do you think that it is a widespread piece of information within our government or tightly held even from presidents?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I don't know myself, but the people I trust who are closer to the compartmentalization claim that it's much more like a shadow government or much more like a paragovernmental group.
		I think so because it seems as if there are many people who are astronauts, who are governmental officials, and who seem to be honest persons and they say they don't have this kind of information.
		And yet, obviously, if anybody were to study and talk with people who have had sightings and who read the material like Dan Sherman's book or Stone's book or Corso or Andrews, there are so many ex-military people who seem to have information that they are beginning to release, Dr. Michael Wolfe, others.
		There's just a whole batch of information that if people sit down and read the government documents themselves or the earlier military documents, they'd say, well, of course.
		Earlier, the 1949 Project Grudge, Project Blue Book, all kinds of information from government sources indicate the cover-up.
		And so some people are saying the cover-up and the uncover-up is going on simultaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been very fortunate in having interviewed several U.S. astronauts, those who went to the moon, some who did not.
		And I'm here.
		I want to compare notes with you here for a second.
		I have talked, and for this reason I'm not going to name them.
		I've talked to some of these men off the air and privately.
		And boy, boy, oh boy, do they have some stories to tell.
		But when you get these same men on the air and you say, did you, while you were on the moon or circling the earth, did you ever see anything of an unusual sort?
		No, I didn't see anything like that.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, on camera, Major and later General Cooper has talked about his sightings and Mitchell has talked about not his own personal sightings, but what he's heard from other people.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		So there are some astronauts who have been open about it and others who have not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the stories they'll tell you off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		That's different, yes.
		I remember one time an Air Force officer talked with me about UFO business, and he said, what would you say if I told you that I was on such and such a plane in such and such an altitude at a certain time and this craft paced me?
		I said, that's fascinating.
		And I said, have you publicized this?
		He said, no, and I never will.
		And if you say that I told you that that happened to me, I deny it.
		Deny it.
		And so this is the kind of experience that any UFO investigator will have over and over, which shows that both a phenomenon is occurring, but also the phenomenon covers its track.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you're a professor in counseling psychology.
		That's where your PhD is.
		So let me ask you this.
		If there was general knowledge, professor, about our astronauts, by our astronauts, that indeed these things that we see on occasional shuttle mission videos and so forth and so on, these things really are going on, and they all know it, and they can't talk about it.
		The history of our astronauts is a rather interesting one, full of life difficulties, psychological problems, drinking problems.
		Is it possible that they are holding information that they are forced to hold and that it's affecting their lives in a very, very negative way?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I would think so, yes.
		That seems to be true of anybody who has a dark secret, whether it's of the UFOs or anything else.
		I would agree with the view that sooner or later, the attempt to cover up information results in difficulty for the individual and also represents what sociologists would see as moral or problems of the kind of morality as well as the sense of morale within a society.
		And that's where I think that the last few years, the Cold War difficulties, I think is an indication that we all as a society know underneath that ETs are here, but we are reluctant to let ourselves consciously be aware of it.
		And I think that's one reason why we experience some of the social difficulties.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even Neil Armstrong, who seems quite well grounded at a Christmas party at the White House, made some really intriguing statements that were obviously designed to try and get you to look between the lines while still staying over on the safe side of not really blowing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just sort of intriguing, you ought to read between the lines of what I'm saying here, folks, kind of statement.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Well, President Carter and President Reagan and others have talked about the possibility of ETs in a kind of a light-hearted, off-the-cuff manner.
		But of course, we don't hear any official information.
		We haven't heard any official information since the Kennedy administration when Secretary of Defense McNamara said there is no, what did he say, something like no national security threat from reports of unidentified flying objects.
		In other words, the reports wouldn't be a threat to our national security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was always wondering how they define national security.
		I had people from silos, missile silos professor, who said that their missiles were disabled.
		That was in this country.
		And I interviewed those fellows.
		Now, if disabling nuclear ICBM missiles is not a threat to security, then I would like their definition of what security is.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome to call me Leo if you wish.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		But yes, indeed, it seems as if the question of security is it military security or is it our sense of personal and mental security?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it the security of their secret from us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Leo?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
unidentified		Somehow, somebody with a doctorate deserves a professor title.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he does, so I'll see what I can do.
		I don't know.
		That's pretty informal.
		I want our villain this.
		is coast to coast AM.
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		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Professor Leos Brinkle is here.
		He's been around a long, long time investigating the kinds of things that we talk about on this program.
		He knew Dr. Sagan, and I am going to ask him about Dr. Sagan in a moment.
		Somebody who was on, I guess, some boards with him.
		So we'll ask about Dr. Sagan, because he's a pretty interesting topic.
		All right, back now to Professor Leo Sprinkle, and welcome back.
		Here we are again.
		You served on some committees, I guess, with Dr. Sagan, Carl Sagan?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I was in a panel discussion of the NBC TV program in 1966, and Dr. Jim MacDonald and Carl Sagan and a couple of science writers.
		We were interviewing Betty and Barney Hill.
		At one point, Carl Sagan, in his charm, he said he was showing his skepticism toward Betty's description of what happened to her on board the craft as revealed through hypnotic sessions with Dr. Benjamin Simon, a Boston psychiatrist.
		And he said, now, Mrs. Hill, he said, we're all amateur psychologists.
		And he looked over at me and he said, oops, sorry about that.
		And I said, that's all right.
		My friends think I'm an amateur psychologist.
		He was about to tell her what she had experienced, which I find just both charming and arrogant.
		He was a brilliant man, and he contributed in so many ways.
		But he was obviously, in my view, like Dr. Menzel and Dr. Condon, people who had information that they weren't, for whatever reason, weren't revealing to the rest of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have any private conversations that would confirm that for you with him?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		No, we talked briefly as we were in makeup before the show, but it was more about the program and about things that were going on.
		But I know from people who knew him personally, I worked with one woman who was a UFO contactee who later worked with him as a graduate student.
		And the impression I had, although I can't confirm it, was that he knew more than he was talking about in terms of E.T. presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in the last few years he went through a kind of an interesting metamorphosis.
		He began to change his publicly stated views.
		And if you read Between the Lines, or even not so Between the Lines in Demon-Haunted World, he was obviously beginning to change as he became.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And then the movie that he and his wife wrote showed what his game had been earlier and the game that so many physical scientists and governmental officials play is that we can't depend upon psychological and psychic information.
		We can only depend upon physical evidence.
		And since there's no physical evidence, well then we have nothing to show.
		And to me that game is slowly changing, recognizing that people intuitively, psychically know information as well as physically sensing and interpreting physical evidence.
		So I hope that that game will shift to the point where we can rely both on physical and mystical procedures in which we look at what we call reality.
		If we do that, then of course the UFO game will be up as far as these people are concerned because hiding the physical evidence and then claiming there is no physical evidence is one way to play the game, but I think it's a childish way of trying to keep people ignorant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		hiding the physical evidence what's the best Professor, and have had it for quite some time.
		It's material that nobody can explain, nobody can duplicate.
		Really an interesting material.
		How much more physical evidence is out there?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I don't know personally.
		I've seen some artifacts.
		The National Inquiry UFO panel, J.L. and Hynek and Harder and Salisbury and others, we would get artifacts from time to time and the various laboratories would not be able to explain what the metallic substances were.
		But, of course, any skeptic or any debunker could say, well, that's just one piece of evidence and what everybody wants.
		Yeah, well, that's what everybody wants is the flying saucer to come down and then to step out and talk to whoever thinks he or she is the more important person in the world.
		And, you know, why isn't it coming to me or the White House or whatever?
		And of course, people ignore the fact that flying saucers were seen over White House in 1952.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, those are very startling.
		That's very startling footage.
		It's actually footage.
		And you can see them moving around.
unidentified		Yes.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		The physical evidence is overwhelming.
		The psychological evidence is overwhelming.
		The biological evidence is overwhelming.
		But to my view, the spiritual evidence is what people fear.
		The implications of what it will mean to us as humanity as souls, that's what we fear.
		And so that's why we continue to play the game of, well, let's just argue about the physical evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really like the title of your book, Soul Samples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you decide to call it where did that come from, Soul Samples?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		It came from an event that was interesting.
		A guy named Keith Thompson, who wrote a book, Angels and Aliens, or Aliens and Angels, he was interviewing me about the theme of his book, that those entities that we call aliens, those entities that we call angels, are sometimes the same, depending upon which history and which culture.
		And as we were talking, well, he made a nice, generous comment about my work.
		He said, Leo, while other people were out chasing lights and gathering soil samples, you were helping people in gathering soul samples.
		And wow, it just hit me that that's what I was doing.
		I didn't have that name for it, and so I glommed onto it and I said, yes, that's what I've been trying to do, because so many people would describe to me not only their ET encounters, but also the feelings that they had regarding the relationships with these guardian angels or these mentors or these tormentors, depending on their attitude.
		Ida Cannenberg in her book, she said, some people call them SBs, space beings, some call them SBs, spiritual beings, and some call them SOBs.
		And I like that view because some people, I said, well, why are some people having good experiences, why are some people having terrible experiences?
		Then I began to realize that the tasks or the missions of these individuals differed and their past lives became an issue in terms of what their mission might be in this lifetime.
		And so that's where I began to wonder if there could be a connection between a person's journey of the soul and why they were having the particular kind of sightings or the particular kind of encounters in this lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try this question out on you.
		With all of the research that you've done and people you've interviewed and so forth and so on, if you were to remove the sightings that you had personally and you were to rely only on the research and the evidence you've gathered, would the threshold of belief for you be passed as it obviously is now for you?
		Or would you be reserving?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would have taken me longer to accept what I gradually had to accept, not only about UFOs, but about reincarnation, ESP, and so on, the spiritual implications.
		But yes, the evidence I've gathered from thousands of people in individual sessions and in workshops and in surveys and in talking with other researchers and what they found, I would still hold a tentative conclusion because that's the way scientists talk,
		but still I would still conclude that not only does ESP exist and there are a dozen lines of evidence, not only does reincarnation exist and there are a dozen lines of evidence, but also UFOs exist and horrors of horrors, there seems to be a connection between our past history as humanity, not only in terms of our origin, but also in terms of our ultimate mission.
		Having, I think, from hearing from so many UFO experiencers that they are told by their ET mentors that our task is to engage in space-time travel and also to communicate with many levels of consciousness.
		So we've got a lot of work to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you talk to conventional physicists like Dr. Michio Kaku, who I interview frequently, he says that, yes, space and time itself can be conquered.
		However, from his point of view, it's going to take so much energy that we will have to virtually harness the energy of a star or be of that class before we could move through time in space.
		And that's conventional.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, although there are also conventional physicists like Dr. Hal Putoff and others who are working with him who are recognizing the possibility.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand the theory, but the Cashmere effect of energy at subatomic levels is so vast that they think if it can be engineered, that the energy is there for space-time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those would that be like a quantum computer, development of a quantum computer, something along those lines?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		It could well be, and I just regret that I don't have the capacity to understand it.
		But he's applied many of his theories along with others in physical review and the other conventional literature for physicists.
		So it's a potential which I think someday engineers as well as physicists will be able to realize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to tell you something, Doctor, and you're the one that I think it would be proper for me to tell.
		And maybe you can help me out here.
		I am going to, in June I'll be 55 years old.
		I've been dreaming all my life.
		I've had dreams, good ones, bad ones, nightmares, dreams, about all kinds of things.
		And when I wake up, I know they're dreams.
		I know I've been dreaming.
		however this is really a cruncher in the last couple of months i mentioned this on the area of the night to my audience last couple of months i have been having Now, here's the way it goes.
		For example, it's the mid-50s or even 40s, and I'm in school in a little town in Mississippi that I can name with friends that I can research and see are real people.
		It's like I'm being consistently dumped into another person's life.
		It's more than a dream because the dream, a dream, you can normally imagine or find some reference to something that has happened in your life recently, whether it's on your mind, even consciously, some reference that will tell you why you have the dream you had.
		I'm having dreams and living other people's lives in the last couple of months.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that weird or what?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		There are some people who talk about what they call parallel lives.
		I don't know if this is an instance of that, but some people describe the feeling that they are more than one set of personality characteristics.
		And all of us share, to some extent, a variety of selves or identities that we subsume under the name or the ego.
		And it may well be that you're having those kind of experiences, or it may be something beyond, but that's fascinating.
		I hope you keep track of it, and maybe someday you'll have a label for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what it is.
		I just know that it's new to me.
		It's about two months old, and it's been going on consistently, and it's so vivid, Doctor, that I can awaken, and I can describe buildings and towns.
		I can name people's names.
		I can tell you what I was doing in this life.
		And it's...
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a sense of time when...
unidentified		I mean future or past or present?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's in different times, but that's all.
		It's like I'm dropped into it, wherever it is, whenever it is.
		I'm dropped into it, and everything is as it should be.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I've worked with some people, and then I've read recounts from others who have dreamed experiences and then later on began to realize that they were dreaming about either what they consider to be a future life or what they consider to be a past life.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And some people have investigated past lives and have found evidence to support what they uncovered in their visions and their dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How strong is the evidence for past lives?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very strong.
		I'll just mention some of the lines, and then if it's of interest, we could pursue it further.
		But there are out-of-body experiences, and that's a whole line of scientific study, near-death experiences.
		There are past life therapy, past life explorations.
		There are a variety of anecdotes, of course, from scientific people and celebrities and writers, not only in the 19th century a lot of people, but of course from biblical times and other ancient times.
		From the cultures, every culture has some kind of theory of reincarnation.
		Every religion, including Christianity, and of course the early Christians, according to Edmund Cranston, accepted reincarnation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until it was voted out, I hear.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		In 500, well, there was a council that was supposed to meet with both the Eastern Pope and the Western Pope, and they were going to consider the possibility of eliminating the philosophy of a guy named Origen, O-R-I-G-E-N, marvelous name.
		And one of the popes wasn't able to attend, according to the documents, and so Christians were left with kind of a chasm between belief and disbelief, because some people say that Origen's philosophy was cast out, some say that it wasn't, and others didn't know.
		And so many formal doctrines have been described.
		Of course, later on, one of the emperors decided that reincarnation was out, and so the Cathars in France and other places were punished, tortured, killed, and that seems to be a In other words, if there's reincarnation, then there is not the control of the fear of God and the burning pit of hell and all the rest of that stuff.
		Right.
		If we can come back again and again to deal with our errors and to learn more, well then we are much more confident, we are much more powerful as souls.
		Whereas if we are taught that we have to listen to a big daddy or big brother in order to get information, well then we have a different attitude about ourselves.
		And so now it seems as if the urge for freedom around the world politically that France and U.S. and others have helped to establish, I think now there's an intellectual freedom that's growing around the planet too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that there could be in the Western world social acceptance of multiple lives?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Not at the present time, but I think that it's growing.
		There are more and more people.
		There's a nice little book by Carol Bowman on children's lives, and Dr. Ian Stevenson, the professor of psychiatry in Virginia, has written a book on children's past lives.
		And it seems as if more and more teachers and parents are listening to kids when they say, well, when I was big, I did this and I did that.
		Instead of dismissing it, more and more parents are listening to these children.
		I think that helps the child deal with concerns as well as help the parents and teachers that Yes, yes.
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		Once again, Professor Leo Sprinkle, Doctor, did you get a chance to see The Sixth Sense?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't seen the movie.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should go and see that really soon, believe me.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Dad, it's a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the little commercial that just ran about seeing people who are dead?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've seen the TV announcement.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen the program.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a barrier, in your opinion, between the living and between those who have passed away?
		Is there a period of time between lives, a period of time when one might be on what we call the other side or in some great celestial waiting room of souls or something like that?
		In other words, the nature, I guess, of this multiple-life thing?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there seems to be a lot of evidence to support that.
		I was thinking of a book that a Canadian psychiatrist wrote, I'm having trouble remembering his name about in-between lives.
		Also, Dr. Michael Newton, I believe it is, written a book called A Journey of Souls describing what seems to go on between lives.
		My wife and I have done a couple of hundred workshops in the last 20 years with a couple of thousand people based upon the work of Helen Wombach.
		She was a clinical psychologist who did a lot of workshops.
		Dr. Chet Snow in France did a lot of workshops.
		And the evidence is interesting no matter what culture, no matter what group of people, there is similar kinds of evidence that people describe in what they think is a period of waiting in between lives where lessons go on and people draw up their plans for the next incarnation and how they'll handle themselves and their relationships.
		And the amount of information is fascinating.
		And of course, a person who is skeptical can try it himself or herself, see if they get some results.
		But it does seem as if there's an ongoing aspect of our soul or our higher self that has a much higher view or perspective than what we have in our generally day-to-day human life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who claim that they have some knowledge or contact on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked into these people?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I haven't done work myself that Mark Macy of Boulder has done and George Meek.
		He developed what was called the Spiracom, the spiritual communication, technical equipment that could be used to gain messages, whispers, and voices.
		Now the electronic industry is so enlarged and so have these people.
		They not only get information through audio tape, they get it through TVs, through telephones, through monitors, computer monitors.
		Even sometimes when the equipment is not turned on, there'll still be an image that can be photographed and the messages from the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And Moody, Raymond Moody, the psychiatrist, Alabama has developed techniques to help people communicate with those who are deceased.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The psychomania.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So there are lots of people who are doing interesting work along this line, and that's another indication that the soul continues on.
		Some people think that they go on to other lifetimes.
		Some people think they go on to another level, plane of existence.
		And George Meek's book, Enjoy Your Own Funeral, has...
		Yeah, Enjoy Your Own Funeral.
		He wrote an earlier book called After Life, After Death, What Happens, or something like that.
		He has models of the various levels of consciousness and what both religion and science seem to argue for, without dogma, in regard to the journey of the soul.
		And it's the perennial philosophy, that is, seek the consciousness of God, know oneself, serve others, and step by step we seem to go away and then come back to the original source.
		So it seems as if all these lines of evidence not only support the notion of life after death, but also a kind of a progression of the human spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, I love the title of that book, Enjoy Your Own Funeral.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Enjoy Your Own Funeral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, it's suggesting you can, in effect, attend and really find out what people were thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like those who are truly mourning and those who are really secretly going, I always hated that song.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good book, both from an evidential standpoint as well as personal information that he gathered from other people who were in communication with him about their experiences.
		It's a Galde Press out of Minnesota and shows some photographs that indicate the personality or the ghost or whatever you want to call it, the spirit of a dead person that could be seen.
		His wife, for example, could be seen at her funeral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I frequently do shows in which I simply invite the audience to call and tell real ghost stories.
		You know, their own ghost stories.
		And, you know, I could do that as a show and do nothing else, Doctor.
		That's how many stories you get.
		And you get police officers, you get all kinds of professional people.
		And by the end of a night of that, you are really freaked out.
		I don't care what you believe.
		You listen to this, and you're done in by the end of the night.
		Five hours of that.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Now, there was one time at a Halloween celebration here in Laramie, a couple who have a family ghost, a couple I've known for many years, they're very trustworthy people, and they described experiences, and then people in the audience began to describe their experiences.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		As you say, it just swells up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has a close relationship to UFOs because you just sort of don't talk to people about a ghost you saw unless you hear other people talking about it, unless you think in your mind it's okay to talk about it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've had that experience many times when I started talking about my own UFO experiences with other researchers where they would say, oh, Leo, don't talk about that.
		Why not?
		Because you'll lose your credibility.
		And I think, well, which is more important, credibility or integrity?
		And I think that our whole society is going through that struggle now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Credibility or integrity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it really does come down to that, doesn't it?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Alan Hynek had a nice statement in a 1979 conference in Brazil.
		He said that physicists are faced with the paradox that light is both particle and wave.
		And he said UFO researchers are faced with the paradox that flying saucers are both physical and psychical, so that the psychic phenomena is just as important as the physical phenomenon.
		And that, to me, was so instructive.
		And yet some of his own followers have continued to emphasize the physical aspects of flying saucers and don't want to deal with the psychical aspects.
		But I think they're just as powerful and just as important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're probably never going to get across the barrier until we begin looking in a different way toward the psychic aspect of this whole thing.
		I had always hoped in the early years that the physical would be the way, you know, hard science, we'd get a signal from another planet.
		Still might, you never know, but something like that, or a landing, you know, something really serious.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Well, we get those tantalizing landings.
		We get soil samples, we get signals, and then people check the signals and then they don't see them and they take photographs.
		So all of the physical evidence is there, but at the same time, it isn't consistent.
		And some people choose to deny the evidence because of that.
		And others who I admire say, hey, maybe we're supposed to learn something from this about ourselves, that we're physical, we're biological, we're psychological, and we are spiritual.
		And when we recognize as a humanity that we have a spiritual, that we are spirits on a human journey rather than humans on a spiritual journey, then I think that our level of awareness and consciousness will allow us to be welcomed into the cosmic federation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe firmly it's out there.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		Even though I don't have the kind of evidence.
		I admit when I was 10 years old, I was sitting on top of a shed in Rocky Ford, Colorado, and I looked up in the southwestern sky, and I had a thought.
		I said, my family's up there.
		And then rationality took over, and I said, oh, wait a minute, Leo, Rex is your father.
		Annis is your mother.
		Bob and Gene are brothers and Faye is your sister.
		That's your family.
		But that feeling haunted me for a long time and it still is with me, the feeling that I have an heavenly family as well as an earthly family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do take it you saw Contact, the movie.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I enjoyed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, that alluded, of course, at the end to the concept of a federation of planets, you know, that we're not alone.
		And that was First Contact.
		God, I love that movie.
		I absolutely love that movie.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And wasn't it marvelous that the scientist came back only with her experience and she didn't have any physical evidence?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I pointed out to my audience, that she was then forced to ask them to take on faith, that which prevented her from getting a seat on the first trip.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
		This is what Carl Sagan would do, play the game.
		He would ask people, where's your evidence?
		Where's your physical evidence?
		In that movie, you get close encounters with Dreyfus playing the character who said, we are the evidence.
		Our lives are the evidence.
		And to me, that is so powerful that when a person recognizes that he or she can't tell anybody with the flying saucer in hand, but can only say, I am a person of honesty, I'm a person of strength, and I'm telling you I had the experience, and it's changed my life.
		And that, to me, is so much more compelling than a photograph or a soil sample or an artifact or an implant.
		Although all of the evidence taken together is powerful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed probably for more hours than anybody else in the media, Colonel Corso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I sat down on the air for maybe a total of 12 to 15 hours on the air with him.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the guy was telling the truth.
		I mean, there's simply no question about it.
		He was telling the truth.
unidentified		Now, I put a period at the end of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The guy was telling the truth.
		So that tells me that this really is going on within our government and has been for some time.
		But how, I mean, our government is not, on the one hand, I generally believe, and everybody says, oh, come on, it couldn't be, because no government could keep that secret for that long.
		Couldn't happen.
		How do you respond?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And I respond in the way professors do, yay and nay.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, governments can keep secrets, but no, they can't keep a big secret, and so the way to deal with it is disinformation, to provide some information that's true and some information that isn't true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Enough so people say, what a bunch of crap.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And then people get discouraged and confused, and rather than sift through it, which takes a lot of time and effort, the easiest thing to do is just to turn away and check out on something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if the real thing comes along, they just automatically reject it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		So many people I've talked with, they said, well, the government said there is no such thing as flying sausage.
		And I said, where did you hear that?
		Well, you know, everybody who has these sightings gets ridiculed.
		And I said, right.
		Ridicule is the way to kill the messenger these days instead of, well, although there are some people who have been killed, I think, because of their investigations.
		But still, in general, the best way that those in power have decided to deal with it is to ridicule those of us who describe our experiences, and that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Destroying the credibility.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		And of course, credibility can be dealt with that way very easily.
		But integrity, to me, that's stronger.
		There's a marvelous book by David Hawkins.
		He's an MD, PhD psychiatrist.
		He's written a book called Power versus Force, and he has used muscle testing as a means of gathering information about levels of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of testing?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Muscle testing.
		Are you familiar with a person holding out an arm and someone else taking a couple of fingers and pressing down on the wrist?
		And if you hold, say, a packet of ascorbic acid vitamin C next to the person's body and say, is this good for the body?
		Well, the arm tests strong.
		But if you hold a packet of refined sugar next to the body, the arm tests weak.
		No, no, I've never heard of that.
		Oh, well, sometime if you get interested, you might check with Hawkins.
		I've seen him on videotape, and he's an interesting fellow.
		He's done genius work, I think, in regard to levels of consciousness.
		And he argues that we can seek and find the truth physically, but we can also seek and find the truth psychically, that is, inside.
		So that, you know, the X-File's motto is, the truth is out there.
		Well, the motto could also be, the truth is in here.
		Jesus said to the woman at the well, the kingdom of heaven is within.
		And so we can get information from inside as well as outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if sounds like such an easy test to perform.
		Now, just earlier today, I had a quarter pounder.
		I love quarter pounders.
		Probably the arm isn't supposed to respond to that, but I have a feeling that my arm was out there and there was a quarter pounder.
		Me, man, I grabbed that sucker.
		So what does that say?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		A strong response.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love quarter pounders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So would that be a proper response for me, or would my arm move away from the quarter pounder, shedding tears, as it were.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
		It seems as if some questions, you know, for example, a person could ask himself or herself, is O.J. Simpson guilty, or did President Clinton do such and such?
		And a majority, or you could ask yourself, do I have a soul?
		Do I have past lives?
		Now, a person might have a personal belief that would be so strong that it might override the answer.
		But apparently Hawkins has done studies with groups of people, and you can get a majority of people with information that seems to be reliable.
		So just like in a jury, you might have one juror who says, no, the guy's innocent, but the other jurors say the evidence says the guy's guilty.
		Then in our society, I've often had the fantasy, why not have three juries?
		Of course, that'd be so expensive, but have a jury of judges, have a jury of peers, whoever they are, and a jury of psychics.
		And then two out of three would provide the answer to the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting idea.
		Now, just during the course of our conversation here, my wife brought in two little plates.
		One plate has an orange on it, unpeeled, and the other has a chocolate chip cookie.
		I'm telling you right now that my arm keeps drifting toward the chocolate chip cookie and involuntarily rises over the orange.
		Hold on, Dr. Rubb, we'll be right back.
		It's true.
		See him?
		holding them up to the camera How about you?
		How do you do with the test?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		On this desert ocean, finally love and love can change.
		Running every time, you will see the face of life.
		Watching in slow motion, that you turn around and play.
		Stay on the way.
		I was a highwayman.
		Along the coach roads I did ride, with sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her barbels to my trade.
		Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
		The masters hung me in the spring up pointed by.
		But I am still alive.
		I was a sailor.
		I was born upon the pack.
		With the sea I did a bag.
		I sailed a schooner around the horn of Mexico.
		I went along the world and made so little gold.
		And when the ice broke up, they said that I got killed.
		But I'm living still.
		I was a fan builder.
		Austin rivers deep and wide.
		We're stealing water in the lies.
		A place called Older Home.
		I slept and fell into the wet concrete below They buried me in that great town that knows no sound I'll still run.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Been around before.
		That's the premier tune about reincarnation.
		Any idea who sings that?
		Perhaps I may become a highwayman.
		It's quite a distinguished group, and it's not a very well-known song either.
		It's The Highwayman by the Highwayman, who happened to be Wayland Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, and Chris Christophenson.
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		All right, just a quick note for Gwen, who sent me a photograph.
		And all of you.
		Please.
		Gwen, you sent me a photograph and you asked, do I see the angels?
		Do I see the Native Americans?
		What I see, Gwen, you see, when you send a photograph by facts, what you get on the other end is a black blob of nothing.
		So it turns out being a waste of not only paper, but toner as well.
		You just get a black blob.
		That's all.
		So if you're going to send a photograph like that, don't do it by facts.
		Send it by an email, you know, scanned a copy of it or something.
		I just get these black blobs.
		Not even hearing of a photograph here.
		Just a quick instruction for you all in case you were thinking of sending it.
		Don't send it that way.
		Send it as an attachment in email.
		Now, back to Professor Leo Springle.
		And Professor, somebody sends in two really good questions about past lives.
		Tough questions.
		If reincarnation was real, one, question one, why can't we remember our lives life to life so that we can improve and our karma, have better karma?
		If we can't remember and learn from something consciously, then reincarnation is pointless.
		People can only remember, and he puts that in quotes, their past lives when involved in such highly suspect practices as past life regression.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if I understand the question in terms of if people could.
		People do.
		It may come in the form of dreams.
		It may come in the form of coincidences, visions.
		There are lots of writers over the years who have described this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he's being very, very literal here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's saying, look, if I can't remember it consciously, if I can't remember the mistake I made last time consciously, what the hell good is it?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'll give a point of view, and then perhaps the listener will learn something from it, perhaps not.
		There are many people I've worked with who say they can't recall, even in practices such as past life exploration.
		After all, if a person wants to explore past lives, well, how are you going to do it without exploring past lives?
		The memory is the issue.
		And there are a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists who have a lot of information about the experimental tests of memory and what is good memory and what is false memory and so forth.
		And so with all of these controversies, I don't know if my comment will do much.
		But the point of view that I would like to express is that people, in my opinion, will go through an experience over and over and over.
		The educational model says if I don't like math in the third grade, I may not like math in the sixth grade, I may not like math in the ninth grade, but I'm going to get math over and over and over until I either drop out of school and say to hell with it, or until I say I'm going to deal with mathematics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a depressing thought, actually.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And so if a person wishes, he or she could say, it doesn't really matter whether I remember my past lives or not, because I'm going to be in a family of souls.
		I'm going to be in relationships.
		I'm going to be facing the questions of greed, of anger, of fear in every lifetime.
		And so the lessons will be coming to me, whether I think they come from past lives or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they will be learned lessons.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		This is the thing that's so exciting to me, that instead of thinking that there is avenging, powerful God who is sitting somewhere judging an individual, think in terms of the own individual soul who is judging himself or herself over the lifetimes.
		In school, we often think that the teacher tells us whether we are doing good work or not.
		As we get older in high school, and then we get into college and graduate school, after a while we realize that we know as much as the professors, and we can decide which studies which we wish to engage, and we determine the parameters and the criteria we'll use about whether our studies are successful and our conclusions are sound.
		And that model to me is appealing in terms of saying, if I'm a young soul, I think that others are judging me.
		An older soul, I'm judging myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But overall, given time and generations and generations and generations, there should be a heightening level of spiritualism and consciousness.
		That should be true, shouldn't it?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		This is what Hawkins argues in terms of his work that for many This is their clinic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says, if reincarnation was real and all these enlightened souls, in quotes, are returning to the earth to live again, why is society's moral fabric exponentially evaporating before our very eyes and things getting worse and worse?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kids killing kids, that kind of thing.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		I'll encourage the person, if he or she is willing, to read Power vs.
		Force by David Hawkins and look at the evidence that he has presented regarding the level of consciousness.
		The argument is that a few people, a few percentage of people, are the criminals and the ones who pull us down through violence, anger, fear.
		And there are a few people, the Buddhas, the Jesus types, the Saint Teresa and others, who pull us up.
		And in general, the rest of us are kind of in the middle and we vacillate between higher and lower levels of consciousness.
		The marvelous thing is that whenever we see somebody break a barrier, that we all tend to be inspired by that.
		When Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile, others could do so.
		And I think the same way at the spiritual level.
		When we see somebody demonstrate courage and love, strength, we all are impressed and we all, I think, are impacted by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Totally is true.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		So I'm naive, perhaps, but at the same time, I'm also optimistic that we are continuing to increase our level of consciousness and awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty good parallel.
		It's true.
		Once a record is broken, it seems as though it's then automatically almost broken again a year or two or even less later.
		It's always broken again.
		It's like once somebody realizes it's possible, then they do it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Rupert Shellgrake, the English biologist, has developed a theory in terms of morphogenic fields, and he argues that rats, people, any species changes behavior as there is an increase in running a maze or in shooting the basketball or whatever the particular group is doing.
		And as one person increases, then others increase.
		And so I'm pleased that in terms of UFO studies and in terms of reincarnation studies, as people learn, they seem to feel confident and stronger as a result of that.
		And other people around them are more willing to look into the possibilities.
		So in your work with the groups of people who are meditating or praying for a beneficial effect, I'm impressed by the work that Aaron and Aaron and others have done in regard to group meditation, and I think it's a powerful force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you aware of what I've done?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I read the newsletter.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I don't stay up to listen, but if I had the ability to go without sleep, I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, it's not what I've done.
		I was wrong.
		It's not what I've done.
		I've just been the facilitator, and I decided to try some experiments, and they all worked.
		And I tried quite a number of experiments with regard to producing rain where there was none, nor forecast to be any, and it worked every time.
		We tried a couple of healings.
		They worked absolutely.
		Both people said they absolutely felt strong energy.
		I know all this sounds like woo-woo stuff, but I'm telling you, it absolutely worked.
		And so then would you think it would be true that many minds concentrating on some result or influence are more powerful than a single mind at the attempts?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in Aaron's book, The Maharishi Effect, shows the results of studies that were done in terms of crime prevention and in terms of other social effects.
		So the caller who is saying that things are getting worse, well, Socrates said that society was going to the dogs, and so we hear that in the Bible, too.
		I don't know whether humanity is any worse or any better, but at least Hawkins' work would suggest that our level of consciousness rose from what he calls a 190 level to 204 during the 80s when the harmonic convergence was occurring.
		So I'm hopeful that the Y2K time period where everybody was poised mentally to find out what would happen might have been a moment when a lot of minds are concentrating and hoping for the better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting view of it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And it may well be that calibration now would show another increase in our level of awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really an interesting view of the whole H2K thing.
		In other words, so much concentration and concern about it may have produced a favorable result.
		Yes.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that be a kick?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, wouldn't that be a kick?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because there were people who said there were certain absolutes that would occur, that there were embedded chips and electric company stuff, and certain things were inevitable, and yet they didn't happen.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Right, that's the interesting thing about prediction and prophecy.
		Some people have pointed out that prediction is an intellectual exercise, and prophecy is an emotional exercise.
		It's meant to change our behavior.
		You know, the mother who says, watch out, kid, if you don't hold onto the handlebars of your bicycle, you'll fall off, you'll hit your head, your eyeball will roll out, you'll go down in the ocean, into the sea, and a fish will eat it.
		Well, the mother isn't prophesying that.
		She's trying to prevent it.
		And so she wants the child to change his behavior.
		In the same way, so many prophecies seem to be horrendous, and yet the attempt is to change the behavior.
		I recall when I was in the service, the sergeants would yell at us, pay attention, man, this may save your life in Korea.
		And all of the terrible things that we were told might happen, we were supposed to pay attention so they wouldn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was told exactly the same thing, said Boss about Vietnam when I was in Lackland.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's just exactly the way it said it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		We paid attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Of course, it works.
		To come from the background that you come from, you know, heart science and military background and all the rest of it, to where you are now, that's an awfully big journey.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, I was one of the lucky ones.
		I was married, and so I was sent to Germany, and the unmarried men were sent to Korea.
		And many people have said over the years, think in terms of the terrible things that are going on with UFO ET encounters, well, I also see the terrible things that are going on between people.
		And I talk with a lot of persons who come from backgrounds where they've been raped or incested or they have been abused emotionally, spiritually.
		And sometimes it's very depressing to see what humans do to other humans.
		But on the other hand, I also see the strength and vitality of people, and I've seen some people who rise above those experiences and come to recognize that when they learn to forgive others, when they learn to forgive themselves for being in those kind of situations, but they recognized them as important lessons, but not as threatening as they once saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of threatening, the work of Dr. Jacobs.
		I would bet you read a book called The Threat, which really lays out a case that, These are not our friends.
		They're not doing friendly things.
		And he views it as a threat.
		How do you weigh in on that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, on his earlier book, The Secret Life, and his first book on the UFO controversy in America, based upon his Ph.D. dissertation.
		I know Dave and we're friends and we disagree, and I suspect there are a lot of good reasons why he has obtained the kind of data that he has from UFO experiencers.
		And I have seen some of those same kinds of situations, but I've also seen other kinds of situations with people describing them.
		And instead of just focusing on abductions, some people focus on adductions.
		We can adduct, take away, and adduct, go toward.
		And some people think of themselves as being taken away from Earth, and some people think of themselves as being taken toward the stars.
		Just like when I was in the service in 1952, some guys around me said we were taken out of our homes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We were treated and medical experimentation.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty widespread.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but there are other experiences besides the grays and besides the negative ETs.
		There's a nice little book by Dr. Bill Baldwin called CE6 Encounters with negative aliens.
		And his work is releasing people from those kinds of experiences, those kinds of relationships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you don't disagree that there may be some races that are not necessarily that don't have our best interests in mind.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, there are.
		But you see, if you look at it, just like going down the street, you can turn toward a policeman or you can turn toward a thug in the alley.
		And the question is, why are some people headed down the alley and why are some people walking down the street?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the top of this hour.
		Do you want to stick around, answer a few phone questions?
		Okay, good.
		Stay right where you are then.
		Dr. Leo Sprinkle is my guest.
		We'll be right back.
		Now, these are powerful words.
		Words of love.
		It's probably the most powerful thing in the universe.
		I suspect.
unidentified		Words of love, so soft and tender won't win a girl's heart anymore.
		If you love her, then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
		Worn-out praises and lion gazes won't get you where you want to go.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of energy in this record, and I think that's what I like about it.
		Dr. Leo Sprinkle, you should have been paying attention to those phone numbers because we are going to get flipping over the phone lines and let you ask whatever question you want.
		Coming up in a moment, here's something to think about.
		I don't like this, Arn.
		I've always wondered if the Graves are friendly sane beings or evil insane beings.
		I think you may have stumbled on the perfect litmus test for them.
		Ramona's cookies versus orange test.
		Would they choose the cookie or the orange?
		If they go for the cookie, we're okay.
		But if they go for the orange, we're in trouble.
		Right, Art?
		I don't know.
		By the way, the man who wrote that facts to me about the graves being friendly sane beings or evil insane beings, he finishes up by saying, you know, Art, I don't think I want to be in a federation of beings that could pass up a chocolate chip cookie for an orange.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back, Doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're about to go to the phones, but here's one other really, really interesting fact, responding to the first facts I have.
		To the person who says that he can't remember his past lives and hence they don't exist, can he remember what he did on January 4th, two years before, no, make that after he was born?
		The answer to that is obviously no.
		So does that part of his life not exist?
		In other words, how much can we really remember even in this life, let alone what happened a few centuries ago?
		That's a really good point.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we don't remember in the first year or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		we were alive but we have no memories of it not at all and so Well, I know they claim they do, but I don't know.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a book called Children Remember Birth by Chamberlain, and there are some good examples of people recalling consciously, and some in meditation or hypnosis recalling events and then checking back with mother and or family members who confirm the events.
		So is that psychic or is that what we consider memory?
		It raises a lot of interesting questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can remember wearing diapers.
		Now, that's an ugly thought.
		It is an ugly thought.
		I hated diapers.
		I hated diapers.
		And that's about as early as I can remember.
		You remember that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember back that far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you progressed straight to something else.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I remembered another event.
		There's some good work by various psychoanalysts regarding earliest recollection and how we may choose something that happened when we were seven years old or five or four or three, but we choose an event that tells us something about life, whether life is threatening or comfortable, whether people are pleasant or mean, and something about the way we perceive ourselves.
		So the earliest recollection may not necessarily be the earliest event that we could have remembered, but we glom on to it according to this notion in order to teach ourselves a lesson about life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		All right, let's do it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Professor Leo Sprinkle.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm from New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Jersey, okay?
unidentified		Yes, and I think your programs are wonderful, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I also was very interested in your I'm getting a feedback.
unidentified		Are you hearing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay.
		I was also interested in your guest tonight.
		He's wonderful.
		I think we're probably around the same age.
		And I've had experience that have been what is classified as paranormal all my life.
		And I, too, turned into studying it and then became a psychotherapist and couldn't talk about it because I was afraid of losing my job.
		So I really identified with what he said.
		You know, about, you know, if you say anything, oh, you lose your credibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you, man?
unidentified		I'm 69.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		69.
unidentified		I'm retired now, that's why I can talk about it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		How about you, Doctor?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I'll be 70 in August.
unidentified		Well, see that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		We are 69.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Close call.
		Close call.
		Right, right.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Good for you that you can talk about it.
unidentified		Yes.
		But I had something that Ardell has spoken about many times, and that is about space travel, and you can't do it because if we have space travel, how are we going to get there, and so forth and so on.
		And at one time, I had a poltergeist, that's not important.
		But the experiences that I had were things disappearing and then coming back.
		And I went to UCLA and sought help from a Dr. Annis, who was with Dr. Selma Morse at that time, at least in 1972.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they examined you?
unidentified		Yes.
		And he said, I was a sensitive.
		And I said, well, how do I get rid of this?
		And he said, he said, it's a gift.
		And I said, I call it a curse.
		And he said, no, you should learn how to get more of it, but also learn to direct your energy someplace else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's actually kind of an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people regard any sensitive ability they have more as a curse than as a blessing.
unidentified		What would you say to them?
unidentified		Doctor?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're talking to me.
		I would say treat it as a curse as long as that's the way you feel about it, but as soon as you're ready to relieve yourself of the curse, then see it as a blessing and work with it.
		And that's the same way whether it's a UFO experience, whether it's an out-of-body experience, whether it's premonitions or whatever.
		For example, I worked with a nurse who would get impressions about when a patient was going to die, and she didn't know whether to hold it back or blurt it out.
		And so she was accused of being a witch and blah, blah, blah.
		Well, I suggested to her that she could talk with the relatives and say, you know, I had a dream.
		If you call it a dream instead of a vision, it's easier for people to accept.
		And she said, I had a dream that your uncle was not doing well.
		Maybe you want to stop by and see him.
		And they'd stop by that weekend and see him.
		And then he'd die.
		And they'd say, oh, thank you so much.
		And so she learned how to present the information in a way that was meaningful to the relatives rather than was threatening or sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, sure.
		No, that makes all the sense in the world.
		And I suppose that would be called a wise use.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And she felt better about herself that she was able to help people rather than be feared by them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've talked to people, Doctor, some of the famous cases of near-death experiences, for example, who, following the near-death experience, they had a sudden floodgate opening of psychic ability, which faded then over years as they continued to live on, but was extremely strong, so strong after the near-death experience, that it was like a company of voices flooding into their brain.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		A lot of people have described, oh, if they fell from a ladder, hit their head, or had a serious illness of some kind, near-death experience, a variety of ways when people are kind of propelled into the next level of awareness, and that can be frightening.
		Just like a kid who is taken out of the country and put into a large campus university, it's frightening, but also it can be exciting if people are able to retain their sense of self and then to use some common sense as well as courage in how to deal with this new information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's asking a lot for the average person, though, isn't it?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if the average person is thrust into this kind of situation, they probably question their sanity and a lot of other really nasty things.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've had so many people say to me, do you think these experiences happen?
		And I said, well, I don't know whether it's true for you, but other people have these kind of experiences.
		Oh, they said, I wish you'd tell me I'm crazy because it'd be easier to deal with it than to have to learn how to be responsible and be more mature in dealing with it.
		So, you know, the choice to go crazy is a difficult one for many people, and some people choose to go crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
unidentified		Good evening, Doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to yell at us a little.
		You're not allowed to.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better, yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Wayne from Portland calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I had a comment for you, Art, and then a question for the doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		This is just my gut feeling, but I was thinking about your dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I think that it's a result of your laying in the pyramid, long-term effect.
		Maybe it's opening up your psychic abilities.
		But anyway, doctor, good evening to you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That, by the way, sir, is called a wag, and that's a wild-ass guess.
unidentified		Doctor, I just wondered, you may not be familiar with this case, but if so, could you comment on the Dr. Reed case and the alien in the freezer?
unidentified		And I'll listen off the air art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He probably doesn't even know about that.
unidentified		I've heard about it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I've read about it.
		And I don't have any personal acquaintance with either Dr. Reed or people who know him.
		So the only thing I can add is that from what I've read from people, it sounds like some interesting things going on.
		And I wish that I could read an article or a book or whatever that would give more details.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you this about it.
		It's an incredible case with incredibly clear photography.
		And what I've noticed about evidence, photographic evidence, doctor, is that people are happy when they can say, oh, look at that fuzzy at-the-edge of your imagination thing.
		But if it's extremely clear and it's an obviously crystal clear photograph of an alien or a craft or whatever it is, then people get angry and they say, oh, what a fraud.
		And they really get angry.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's the case in the Dr. Reed case.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
		Hi.
		Good evening, Art.
		How are you doing this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Listen, I'm Jeff Waller.
unidentified		I'm calling out of Dallas Big 570.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jeff.
unidentified		Listen, I have a comment for you and a question for Dr. Sprinkle.
		Listen, my dad was a colonel in the Air Force, retired out of Berkstrom Air Force Base.
		And he had some tours of duty.
		He was at the Pentagon, Langley, Montgomery, at the Air War College, and retired out of Berkstrom.
		And my comment is a couple of times, I actually had an occasion to speak with him on occasion, actually only one time.
		He actually divulged this information to me.
		In one occasion, he was, as a fighter pilot instructor, he was observing his squadron on the deck out of Nevada, Nellis Air Force Base, I believe.
		And he observed an object come up on his wingtip.
		And these are things he told me, and only after I asked him, after knowledge of, I actually had to ask him a lot of these questions, he told me that he saw these things come up on his wingtip one time.
		And it followed him for five to seven minutes.
		He was on the deck at a T-33.
		This thing took off at a 45-degree angle, accelerated at a speed that he estimated in excess of 10,000 miles an hour, made a right-angle turn in the atmosphere at that rate of speed.
		Of course, he did everything he could, as he told me, to keep him flying into a mountain and went immediately to ops.
		He told me he was debriefed.
		He made no bones about it, the fact that they recorded the information.
		It was an instructional flight.
		And all the information was sent on to the PowerShell B. And on another occasion after this, of course, I was born in 1960, and this was late 50s, and I was born in 1960s.
		And he was on at the Pentagon, and he had an occasion to get to know one of the women in Project Blue Book at the Pentagon, at the actual office in the Pentagon, which was quite alarming to understand that there were only five or eight or nine people involved in that actual project directly.
		And one of the people was a woman who was the secretary.
		And he kind of humorously took her out on occasion and on occasion got her kind of tipsy at the officers' club.
		And the only time I ever saw my dad's goosebumps raise on his arms was when he told me what she said after she got a little bit drunk.
		And she told him, Bob, all I do is shred papers.
		And you would freak out if I told you what I read and shred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		Isn't that kind of interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think most of us now firmly believe Blue Book was a total disinformation type of thing.
unidentified		But they were a civilian informational gathering group.
unidentified		And they did investigate those things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, again, Dr. There you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you can hear privately over a few drinks and what you can get someone to say on the air, they're really vastly different things.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Right, and the same way with J. Alan Hynek.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		He was called in as a consultant, and at first he was willing to dismiss most of the cases that he got, but then he began to get more and more, and he changed his view from skepticism to acceptance of the E.T. reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of people who think that should it occur, E.T. contact should occur, Bal Hynek would be the appropriate one to, I don't know, coordinate efforts on our side.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe that's what he's doing on the other side now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But there were a lot of people who thought that about him, though, that he would be the appropriate person.
		Anyway, are you familiar?
		I know you are with Bob Bigelow and with Nibs.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've met him and talked with some of the people who are working with him in his...
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, he works actually Cullum now heads up NIDS.
		And he came on the program, this program, and talked about the ranch, a ranch they had purchased where some odd things were going on, and we don't disclose where that ranch is.
		Anyway, one of the things he said is that one of their observers, scientists, on that ranch, using night vision equipment, saw, I know this is going to sound weird, but a misty, light-filled hole begin to form while looking across a field, a kind of a swirling hole, saw a being of some sort come through it and saw it close up again.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, as you know, they do pretty serious research.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people have described the notion of the window.
		That seems to be a portal or a doorway between what we think of as reality and another dimensional reality.
		And that seems to be an example of that kind of experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, in your mind, Professor, separate the concept of another dimension, pretty well supported by theoretical physicists now anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you separate that and ufology and ghosts and the paranormal in general, or are they all the same thing?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I think there is a strong connection not only in terms of the events that people describe, but also the perennial philosophy notion that there are many mansions in my father's house.
		Jesus was quoted as saying that what some people talk about in terms of the sky, meaning space, is different than when they talk about heaven.
		The way I see it myself, although it's a tentative view, is that there are many, many levels of consciousness, many, many levels of intelligence, and some beings that we would think of as highly intelligent wouldn't necessarily have to have physical bodies.
		So are they aliens or are they angels?
		The question of the nomenclature becomes a puzzling one to me, but I accept the idea that just like energy can be up and down, we use water as a good example from ice to rain to steam, different levels of water.
		Well, there could be different levels of intelligence, and I think that many ETs use that as a cover, whether we think of it as clandestine and evil, or whether we think of it as a cover for their activities in helping us to evolve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you acknowledge it may be both.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And it may be both, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one other really big topic I want to cover with you.
		We've got one more segment to go.
		Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Professor Sprinkle, is my guest.
		He's an old hand at this, perhaps researching longer or as long as anybody alive right now in these areas, so kind of an interesting guy to say the least.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.
		This is coast to coast a.m. moving through the nighttime.
		Like a freight train.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		A new long time with no peace of mind.
		And I'm ready for the times to get better.
		I've got to tell you, I've been racking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of this continual rain.
		Changes are coming, no doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, changes are underway.
		This is for the fellow who called during the break.
		Who's been racking his brain for the name of the song?
		That's the name of it, Ready for the Times to Get Better by the angelic Crystal Gale.
		And by the way, Crystal's going to be on the show pretty soon.
		I talked, actually, I got a bit of facts from her manager, and she said the next time she's out west, she's indicated a desire to be on the program.
		So I'm looking forward to that.
		Absolute angel.
		No question about it.
unidentified		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Ark Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		professor leo sprinkle is my guest and he'll be right back Hey, once again, back to Professor Leo Sprinkle.
		And Leo, let me ask you this.
		Assume there is a federation, which I know you believe there is, of peoples that have contacted each other out there.
		It seems reasonable and even logical.
		Right now, I mean, there are many views of what's going on on Earth that you can take, but there's one big one going on now.
		We seem to be undergoing a climate change, a serious one, too, at the moment.
		40% of the Arctic ice is gone.
		We found out.
		That was a secret they held during the Cold War.
		The Antarctic is beginning to break up.
		I've got another story on it.
		In fact, this morning, big chunks of the Antarctic are going away.
		Glaciers are in serious retreat, and there's a lot of environmental trouble going on on Earth.
		I wonder if membership in that club, you know, whether the invite doesn't come until you pass the test, which is surviving, I suppose, in an industrial age or, you know, getting past it.
		What do you think?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a good possibility.
		There have been writers like John White and Ruth Montgomery and others have talked about a possibility of pole shift.
		Edgar Casey prophecies and a recent book, Zeta Talk, by Nancy Leder.
		And many people predicted the possibility of a quick and violent pole shift.
		I myself am hoping for a slow and non-destructive shift, but it certainly seems as if, as you've pointed out in the quickening, that a lot of things are happening physically, a lot of things are happening biologically, and a lot of things are happening in terms of our social awareness.
		I now see TV announcers talking about global warming, whereas a few years ago it was denied that there was a global warming.
		So it seems as if there's, at one level, it seems as if those of us who have had UFO experiences and have delved into these matters are already aware, and it seems as if the rest of society is gradually being conditioned to accept the idea that changes are occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Professor Taku seems to be imbued with the concept that if we survive the discovery and development of element 92, then we graduate to the next level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he also seems to feel that while there are many type, he calls us type 0 planets, we're a type 0 planet, using fossil fuels, that sort of thing, that only a small percentage of them probably make it past that discovery to continue to what he calls a type 1.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Carl Sagan and others talked about the possibility that an adolescent humanity can graduate to a higher level so that we're less destructive among ourselves and less likely to take weapons out into space.
		And some people argue that if we do that, then we would be recognized as eligible for membership in the Federation.
		My own personal view is that we're already members, just like a kid can be a member of a family, but all the relatives are hoping the kid will grow up and not get into too much trouble and gradually become a productive and reasonable citizen in the community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be willing to bet you money, Doctor, that we already have weapons in space.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And I'm hoping that those who are dealing with this will get the same kind of feeling that the astronauts do when they go into space, that they look back and see the wonder of the planet and saying, you know, are we just about to destroy other beautiful planets?
		Ingo Swan in his book, Penetration, describes seeing structures on the moon, and others have talked about structures on Mars.
		I suspect that there's a huge community, and I'm hoping that we'll become eligible for joining that community formally.
		That's why I'm a health nut.
		I keep in shape.
		I want to be around to see if formal recognition, public announcement, actually occurs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's as good a reason to try and stick around as any.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
		Good morning to you.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Am I not fine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I have a question.
unidentified		My name is Mike from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		And I had an experience happen to where I basically made contact with a being that was completely humanoid looking, shape everything, but it was a solid black shadow.
		It was very dense, but it was human-looking.
		Have you ever heard of anything like that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I'll offer a tentative suggestion to you and see if it is helpful to you.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I like the idea that ETs often present themselves in ways that involve puns, plays on words, meanings, and so forth.
unidentified		It was very helpful.
		I mean, it entered by walking into the front door of the house.
		It had ears, fingers, everything, but it was just a solid black shadow.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, are you familiar with the Jungian notion of the shadow inside ourselves, the darker aspects of ourselves?
unidentified		Yeah, but I've never used anyone like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, the monsters, so be it.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was wondering if in your meditations you can communicate with that aspect and see if you get more knowledge about not only your own self, but about society's shadow side.
unidentified		Well, I read a little book.
		Some guy, I can't remember his name, in 1920s wrote a book about the shadow.
		But another interesting thing happened where I was asleep in bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't understand how you kept it cool during that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So being like that walk in on me, I'd say, okay, you're death, I'm ready, let's go.
unidentified		Well, it kind of what you would say knocked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, that's interesting because I've heard that from a lot of abductees, a lot of experiencers of various kinds.
		They say that they were put at ease.
		That the emotions that I just described, you know, and I'd really be scared to death, frankly, but the emotions that I just described are all washed away by the beings, that there is some sort of control, and it's just like, you know, Valium Central suddenly, they just calm you right down so that you don't have this panic attack.
		Have you heard a lot of that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, how much is technically induced or how much is higher consciousness?
		I don't know, but maybe a combination.
		But certainly it seems as if people oftentimes move from a terror state to a tranquil state and they can't understand how they moved so quickly.
		But that description often occurs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
		Where are you, please?
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you there.
unidentified		Yes.
		I thought you were going to say East of the Rockies.
		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You missed it.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, all right.
		Well, you're used to the Rockies.
		You're qualify.
unidentified		Yes.
		This may go along with what you had said earlier about why can't we remember.
		Yes.
		And it really has to do with making an analogy with children.
		If children understood why, as you put it, if you don't get math in first grade, you're going to get it in third grade, you're going to get it in seventh grade.
		These are life experiences.
		And if you already knew all the things that you have to know in a lifetime, then it would really do you no good to live that life.
		What does Dr. Sprinkle think about that?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can hear the breathlessness that you have.
unidentified		I ran down to get a portable phone.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know how much of it was physical and how much of it was emotional.
unidentified		No, I've done a lot of reading about this.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Well, the comment is well taken that many people argue that going from one life to another, if we remembered everything about the past, then we might be flooded with more than we could deal with.
		And I remember talking with my wife one time when we were jogging early in the morning and the sun was coming over the hill and I said, this is great.
		Let's get together in the next lifetime.
		And she said, please, one life at a time.
unidentified		Well, see, I agree because if we knew, some years ago, there was some, I didn't see the movie, and it was some goofy movie about some billionaire who for one month was challenged to be a street person.
		But he knew that after one month, he would go back to his normal life.
		And so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just saw that movie.
unidentified		Oh, did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was great.
unidentified		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was absolutely great.
unidentified		He said goofy.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't goofy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was actually very well done.
unidentified		The trailers were goofy.
		But my point being that if you know that it's temporary, I mean really consciously in this life, and you haven't done the Meditation, and you haven't done all these things, then you can get by because it's a blink of an eyelash.
		And so you really don't have a life experience.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Good point that we can fear the possibility of another incarnation and what we might have to learn, or we can try to stay in the middle.
		Like in the Army, if someone came out and said we need volunteers to help serve the meal, well, some people would turn away and they'd get caught.
		Some people would look at the sergeant and get caught.
		But the people who are sharp, they look just off to one side.
		And in the same way, some people, they don't want to rock the boat, so to speak, and so they just drift along from lifetime to lifetime.
		But sooner or later, according to the theory, well, the lessons will be learned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did a lot of KP.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		You probably looked him in the eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Sprinkle.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		You know, I thought of the shadow people when I was a kid.
		So I don't know what they were, but I've never forgotten them.
		Dr. Sprinkle, before I ask my question, I want to say thank you.
		You're one of those people who have had a powerfully positive effect on my life.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I know that you have a wide circle of professional colleagues, and I'm wondering if you might recommend someone who is researching in the area of human genetic memory.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
		Good question.
		And I'm not able to recall right now, but human genetic memory.
		There are some people who are doing work along this line, and I'm not thinking of a specific name right now, but if you write to me, 105 South 4th Street in Laramie, 82070, maybe by that time I'll be able to get with better information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's really, really good advice, and I'm going to ask you to give out that address again.
		Also, your book, of course.
		Where is your book available, soul samples?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		It's available through Granite Publishing of Columbus, North Carolina, 28722.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it on Amazon.com?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And I believe it's on Amazon.com and other sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's on Amazon.com, we've got a link to it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's one way you can get it, folks.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Soul samples, personal explorations in reincarnation and UFO experiences.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And my office address is 105 South 4th Street in Laramie, Wyoming, 82070.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		There are going to be a lot of people.
		You're going to get a lot of feedback from this program, Professor.
		No question about it.
		So it takes a while, I take it, to respond.
		Do you still accept, I don't know if patience is the right word.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I call them clients.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clients?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		You do that?
		Yes, I do.
		It's a limited private practice, but sometimes people will come from other states and spend a day or so, and we'll go through UFO ET encounters or past lives or both, depending upon their interests.
		And some people find it very helpful.
		Other people are interested in past life readings, and I do that long distance or a sitting session and get information that I don't know whether it's knowledge or not.
		I don't know whether it's true or not.
		But many people say that the information is helpful in getting a kind of a sketch of their plans and their activities in this lifetime and the spiritual journey that they're on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do most people accept that information when you give it to them?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		The majority of people are not certain about whether the scenarios that are described are actually past lives or not, but many times they'll say, well, I don't know whether I was a Native American or whether I was a sailor or whether I...
		So that just like we could go to a movie and we could identify with the hero or the heroine and someone might say, well, that was just a fantasy, that movie.
		But on the other hand, if it's well done, then we see parts of ourselves in the way the hero or the heroine handled a crisis or how they dealt with the situation.
		So I'm still not convinced that it's necessarily past lives, but for whatever source of information is coming through us during the session, it seems in most cases people say, well, that's similar to the way I feel about myself.
		The ratings from 0 to 9, a 10-point scale, the majority of people rate 9 out of 10 as similar to their own views about their personality or their characteristics or their values or what they're seeing in life.
		So I continue to do the research because I'm not sure of the source of the information, but the information seems to be valuable to a lot of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here is an interesting one for you.
		Obviously, people with this kind of experience would gravitate toward you if they had the knowledge that you were there and existed, if they had had some sort of experience, serious experience they cannot explain and want to know about.
		what would happen if that same person went to the average psychiatrist let's say uh...
		and explained uh...
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		in some detail and as pt type experience what will these in this modern day and age see it as a psychopathic Or psychotic, maybe even topic.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		I used to say that first we were considered psychotic, then we were considered neurotic, then we were considered kooky, and now we're considered feasible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Feasible, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then there is some chance that even in the mainstream, it's not automatically.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		In fact, some people, in my opinion, as they look back on it, they realize that being a patient for a physician or being an Alison for a psychiatrist or dealing with professional people, that they were helping the professional person learn.
		Now, it's been kind of rough, you know, just like a child who comes up with information that the parent can't handle.
		But in my opinion, many professors and many scientists are confounded by what UFO experiencers develop and show to them.
		I've often wondered if there were money available.
		Would you bring half a dozen UFO experiencers together who have had information about cancer cures?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you get a lot by consultation?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Or get some people together who have propulsion systems for UFOs.
		Usually these people have some information, but not all the information.
		Because if they had all the information, they'd probably be disappearing into some unknown tomb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you get quite a few by consultation?
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Recommendation by others.
		Okay, Doctor, our time is up.
		What a pleasure having you on the air.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		It's been a pleasure for me.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope everybody runs out and grabs soul samples.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		And also a book, King of Travelers, by Ed Martin about Jesus lost years in India.
		And maybe someday Michael Robertson will get his work on lunar and solar eclipses and UFO sightings to the forefront.
		There are so many people.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
unidentified		I could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Just like an old time movie about a ghost from a wish.
		I could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Oh, I'm rolling and riding, I've seen the spinning slide in, it's my old shape.
		You and the sweetest girl, you're going higher and higher, baby.
		It's a little bit late.
		Wanna take a ride?
		Well, Fall Art Bell from west to the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		Post-time callers may recharge at 1-775-727-1222.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Arthur on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		Good morning, everybody.
		A little while ago, we were talking about our earliest memories, and I said, I remember when I was in diapers, and I do.
		And what I remember about them is they didn't absorb with a damn.
		I mean, once you fouled yourself, you were walking with it until mom got around to you.
		And that's what I remember about diapers.
		How about the rest of you?
		Remember that early in your life?
		About my first memory.
		Damn diapers.
		Before they had the pawplus.
		Which I guess dates me.
		Anyway, we're headed toward open lines.
		That's coming up next.
		state public You know, I think the following has to be recognized.
		This is from Peter in Milwaukee.
		It says, you know, hi, Art.
		About Mission to Mars, the movie of Coming Up.
		They have a website.
		I missed the commercial since I didn't watch the Super Bowl, and if you go to their website, it says you'll never see their commercial again, except on that website, where you can see it as many times as you want.
		Unless, of course, you have Web TV like I do.
		Some of these sites require flash or other downloads.
		But anyway, not the reason for the facts.
		The reason is, on their website, they list links.
		I raced over, expecting to find Richard Hoagland's site and even Dr. Mark Carlato's excellent site.
		And guess what?
		All the links, and there are quite a number of them, are to NASA's sites.
		What the hell is this all about?
		It is Richard Hoagland, who's done the most to create interest in Zidonia, tirelessly working on it and writing the best book on it, and he is ignored.
		NASA, which has been poo-pooing it, gets the linkages.
		Is Richard going to let this sit, or do we do some faxing emailing?
		They've supplied an email number on their site to get at least his site listed on the Mars sites.
		Related question, how much direct input did Richard have on the movie?
unidentified		Script, ideas, and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		We'll ask Richard, but he certainly called our attention to it the other night when he was on.
		And I think this factor is dead right.
		NASA has done nothing but officially poo-poo the whole Sidonia thing.
		Again and again and again, they've laughed it off and joked about it and been a little cruel at times.
		And yet they've been the consultants and get all the links on the website from the movie about where?
		Sidonia.
		The old trick of light and shadows plays, right?
		I think the Taxer's got a pretty good point.
		West of the Rockies, you're on here.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Rob from California.
unidentified		Hollywood?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, sorry to caught me off guard there.
unidentified		I was listening to each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hollywood was originally called Hollywoodland.
unidentified		Hollywoodland?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't know that?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shame on you.
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was originally Hollywoodland.
unidentified		Interesting.
		Oh, yeah, that's right.
		I remember the sign used to be longer.
		I saw in the 20s footages.
		Yeah, it said Hollywood and then Landon.
		Yeah.
		That's right.
		Oh, God, that was so long.
		Wow, so it's open minds right now, right?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, anyway, your guess was real interesting there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was.
unidentified		And about, oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, by the way, tomorrow night, you're going to want to be here because tomorrow night I'm going to have a very, very, very, very interesting lady on who worked with the late Father Malachi Martin.
		Oh, yes.
		And she's Kathleen Keating, and she's written a book called A Final Warning, The Final Warning.
		And it's all about the kind of stuff that Malachi talked about.
		It should be a really interesting program.
unidentified		Yeah, he's a wonderful man.
unidentified		He's done a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, it's too bad.
		Yeah, God, what was I?
		The UFO thing, it's amazing.
		The thing is, if you're familiar with Japan, the Japanese seem to really like the UFO phenomenon.
		They do.
		And here in America, they're scared of it.
		It's funny.
		In Japan, they embrace it.
		Here, we're terrified by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, look, the Japanese embrace it so much that they have sent film crews over here, bugging the hell out of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how many times, they go after the stories, whereas our press, you know, if a UFO gets in a shot, they try and turn the camera.
unidentified		That's correct.
		I really don't get it.
		And are you aware of a month ago that they sent a probe up to take pictures of Sidonia?
		Are you aware of that?
		The Japanese.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm very aware.
unidentified		And were you aware of what happened to our national security?
unidentified		They told a military defense in Japan to come down right away, and do you know what happened to them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to them, sir?
unidentified		You didn't hear what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		They came down to visit Washington to speak with our government because they don't like them taking pictures of Edonia.
		They lifted up a 10-foot cement wall that shoots out of the ground from the White House and threw their car 20 feet, nearly killed them.
		Both of the military defense from Japan were in hospital.
		I don't know if one of them died or not, but they're critically injured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure of that?
unidentified		It was on the news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was on KFW News 98 when they went to Washington, D.C. Boy, I showed somebody sent me that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't really actually heard that.
unidentified		Yeah, our government was really serious about not anyone ever taking pictures of that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		That's one I hadn't heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I do, like the facts are think that it is more than just a little strange that the agency that made so much fun of, and some of it not in fun at all, of those who talked about Sidonia, mainly Richard, really laid into him at times, are actually the consultants on the movie.
		Hello?
		What's wrong with this picture?
		First time going online, you're on here.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Hi.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Talk to my wife.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		My husband and I, this is Sandy and Roger on Moey.
		Okay.
		My husband and I sent you a book a few weeks ago written by a man who has been having experiences out of the body, communicating with people who have lost their bodies.
		Yes.
		And his work is actually Retrieval of Souls to help people who've kind of gotten stuck on their way out to the beyond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I don't know if you've read it.
unidentified		His name is Bruce Mowen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know we have the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not yet read it.
unidentified		Ah, well, we thought you'd be very interested in it.
		I know you have a fascination with ghosts.
		And he deals with those folks.
		He says that ghosts are souls who've gotten stuck.
		They've kind of not understood that they've died and are ready to make that transition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		Well, ghosts are very important.
		Ghosts are the reason that I solicit ghost stories all the time, the reasons why I do more and more shows on ghosts is because obviously if ghost stories are real and there are so many of them if ghost stories are real then there is a life that there is an existence of some sort that follows this one.
		It's simply another path to proof of life after this one.
		It's a very important path to follow.
		So I'm sure I'll get to the book and that's my answer that yes, I bore in on this subject for that exact reason.
		It's important.
		If ghosts are real, then the rest of all this stuff we talk about has a distinct possibility of being real.
		It doesn't quite existence after this one.
		The probability of it.
		Long card line, you're on here.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I just had a question.
unidentified		I just noticed you don't go out there as much as you usually do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go out there?
unidentified		Yeah, on the line.
unidentified		Yeah, on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
unidentified		Well, because like Friday you wasn't in, and Monday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean I'm not on on Mondays?
		Well, there are reasons for that, sir.
		I'm not on Mondays and Fridays.
		I'm on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
unidentified		Well, my roommate, he's a very die-hard fan of yours, and he says, hi.
		His name's Richard.
		Hello, Richard.
		All right, nice talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
		Please turn your radio off.
unidentified		Let me get the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		Art is still from Chicago, WLS.
		Yes, sir.
		I'm just calling to tell you, in the Sun-Times, the Chicago Sun-Times, they had an article about our little sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little sighting?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, those police officers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Little sighting, you call?
		A sighting that involved almost a half-dozen police departments, eyewitness testimony from trained officers?
		That's not a little sighting, sir.
		That's some big mother of a sighting.
unidentified		I know, but if you would have heard the way Fox handled it, it was a joke.
unidentified		But the first night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to have to put up with that for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who listened to those police officers on my program knows damn well it was nothing to laugh at.
unidentified		Well, the thing that really got me, though, is when they showed the story originally, they gave it a lot of validity.
		Two nights later, they had a specialist on that said it was Venus.
		I called the station and let him have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like, you know, we could make a good song Venus at Treetop Level.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		They also had one of the officers on.
		And then on the second thing, they had him on there too to imply that that's what he saw.
		Like I said, I called the station and I let him have it.
		But anyhow, this was on January 19th in the newspaper.
		I'm pretty sure they have a website that you can go to and get the Chicago sometimes, huh?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		What am I to say about that?
		The media is can't avoid the temptation to smirk and laugh and deride, and that's what they do.
		They have to do it.
		Because, I mean, think about it a little bit.
		If they didn't do that, that would mean they'd have to deal with it straight on as a serious story.
		And they couldn't have that, could they?
		So you've got to do one or the other.
		And I suppose it's a whole lot easier to smirk than it is to dispatch somebody to get proof.
		International line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art, I have one thing for you here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm Clyde from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alberta, a neighbor, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, if you take the alphabet with A equals 1, B equals 2, 3 equals C, and you spell it computer, C would equal 3 then?
unidentified		Or 3 would equal C would equal multiples of 6?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		6, 6, 6, right?
unidentified		Equals 6, 6, yes, that's right.
		That's kind of amazing.
		I don't know what that means, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't know what it means?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I know what it means, but I think that's pretty amazing how that's like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it seem like a random number to you, an amazing random number?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got to see it.
		You know, when I shave my forehead, there it is.
		6, 6, 6.
		I'm puzzled about the same thing, sir.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		I just, you know.
		I said, look at that.
		Three sixes.
		What a coincidence.
		And then I let my hair grow back.
		Most of the Rockies are on the air, huh?
unidentified		Hi, this is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm on the line.
		Oh, thanks.
		Hi, Art.
		Nice topic tonight.
		I think tonight your guest was better than the rest of the nights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		I just wanted to let you know my opinion.
		One thing I was thinking is that it seems that a lot of the time, I'm only 31, and it seems as though that life is more boring than it is exciting, which...
		Well, it seems that these...
		Well, for example, all of these things that we're talking about seem to happen very infrequently.
		I would love for these types of situations to occur or to see...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm beginning to think?
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That all you need to do is to wish for it to happen.
		I really mean that.
		In other words, if you concentrate on these paranormal events and think about them and consider them, they will occur.
		How about that?
unidentified		Okay, could I just say one thing before you hang up?
		Yes.
		The thing is, is that I would totally be open to it, and I am open to it, and I would, if I could, meet an alien and converse and go forward with that.
		I'm totally ready to do that.
		But I think, I wonder sometimes if we as a society are not addicted to being excited and to hoping for these types of possibilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course we are.
unidentified		Right.
		And it seems that more, that that may be the more simple answer, that we are actually trying to strive to be excited and to get away from being so bored.
		And it's not necessarily real experience.
		It's more for our own self-agree with that.
		Okay, well, I mean, I hope I'm wrong.
		Honestly, I hope I'm wrong.
		it just seems that we're so addicted from Hollywood, all the movies that we see, they're so exciting, and we're like grown up to think that we're so special and we can be movie stars and all this stuff.
		And it just seems that more often than not, the more simple answer is true, and the more I don't know.
		It just seems that way to me.
		And it seems that the more interesting kind of topics you have, the more sponsors you can kind of create and have commercials for and propagate interesting things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, all of that's true.
		But the other way to think about it is the only reason there's so much talk about this, so much interest in this, it attracts people, i.e.
		ratings, i.e.
		sponsors, blah, blah, blah.
		In other words, the reason it succeeds is because so many people are interested in it.
		And the more people that get interested in it, the more people begin to have experiences.
unidentified		Doesn't that almost support my theory that if you're interested in it, if you're open to it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not necessarily.
		We're talking about its occurrence or it's experienced by a person.
		You're suggesting it's all within the mind.
		I'm saying, well, the process to get there may Be within the mind, but it may be as real, as I said, in the dreamland open as the air you breathe.
		You see?
unidentified		I hope it is, and I'm open to it.
		It just, you know, nothing's presented itself.
		And I guess I just, you know, I wish these aliens would just come down and just, come on, let's get it over with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes you can't see past the nose on your face.
		Other times, you can see for miles.
		Miles.
unidentified		Miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a matter of opening your eyes at the right time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		I know what you have Cause there's magic in my life I can see for miles and miles and miles And miles and miles I can see for miles and miles Everything that I told you all about The little chicks you play And
		never see you And never see you Ah, thanks Sky, sunshine, what a day to take off my heart.
		Oh!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a happy little song.
unidentified		It's sunshine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The flowers are blooming, the birds are chirping, you're walking down the lane, and all of a sudden, there it is, an alien grey with a giant probe, and he's looking right at you.
		All right, back to Open Lines.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		On the international line or on the Air of Lowe.
unidentified		Oh, let me get my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, get that radio.
		Art?
		Yes.
unidentified		So nice to talk to you.
		And to you.
		I've been listening to you for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been here a long time.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have.
unidentified		Yes, you have.
unidentified		You've gotten me through a lot of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, pray tell?
unidentified		I'm in Vancouver, B.C. Vancouver.
unidentified		Actually, I'm in Port Coquitlam, B.C. All right.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		Suburb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suburb?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But, yeah.
leo sprinkle ▲ ● ▼		You're greatly appreciated.
unidentified		And I don't know how much longer you yourself are going to be on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to call.
		I've been listening to you since probably about 92, which is quite a long time for me.
		And I just want to tell you you're greatly appreciated.
		And out of all your guest hosts and everything, none of them compares to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
unidentified		You're the man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I've been here while that's why, as you point out.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		You know, you do this for a long time, and it's in your blood or something.
		And you never know about life.
		One day to the next, you never, ever know.
		As I was aboard that ill-fated airplane, one of them, Cynthia from KSFO, Cynthia who preceded my show, she was on that plane.
unidentified		And so you just never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One day to the next.
		And you said, therefore, you should live your life, I am told.
		And I'm telling you as though it were your last, because it could always be these things happen.
		First time Color Line or on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		This is Dave from Duncan, B.C. Hey, Dave.
		I just want to tell you, I'm a little nervous, but I've seen you opposed all through my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you by any chance get to experience, you're in British Columbia, did you get to experience that monster of a thing that blew up over BC?
unidentified		No, I didn't see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was in the news everywhere.
unidentified		No, but I'm just moved to the island from London, Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And I've been here six months, but I've seen UFOs almost every other night.
		It's just awesome.
		The first one I've seen was in 1978.
		I had an experience with my buddy Tim on the beach in Grand Bend.
		We were practicing our kung fu, blocking punches and kicks sort of blindfolded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blindfolded.
unidentified		Well, we had sort of like sent meditation.
		We were into meditation, and we had certain abilities.
		You would think of thought, and I could say you're thinking that color or that number.
		We had certain abilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how many times did you end up picking yourself up off the ground saying, think harder?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you just join the crowd.
		Look, if you go outside, I can almost guarantee you this, people will not take the time to do it, they won't listen to me.
		But if you'll go outside, like the movie, on any given Sunday, almost on any given night, and you'll spend an hour or two, which is asking a lot, I know, looking into the sky, you will see something you cannot identify that doesn't make sense.
		I can almost guarantee it.
		But people don't do it.
		They don't go outside.
		And they don't look up.
		And when they do, when we have, oh, you know, when we have eclipses or there's some reason or there's a launch from Vandenberg or whatever it is, and people have a reason to look up, then all of a sudden they begin to see things.
		There's a lot going on up there.
		If you get out and look.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		How you doing?
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		This is James talking to you from Lumberton, North Carolina.
		Listen to WFNC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lumberton, North Carolina.
unidentified		Yeah, we've had double whammies with the hurricanes and now the snowstorm.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like, what is it?
		Bad weather?
		Turn your radio off there, first of all.
		That's important.
unidentified		It's muted down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Muted all the way down.
		It's like your area of North Carolina is a magnet for terrible weather.
		Whether it's a hurricane or in the wintertime, it's a snowstorm or an ice storm.
		It comes right at you.
unidentified		Oh, it's kicking our butt.
		And here in Lumberton, they basically run all the factories off.
		And the pig farms, a lot of them, are having to close out.
		So basically, we're turned into a retirement center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of North Carolina is really beautiful, and it makes it a good place to retire, too.
		Plus, the cost of living is very reasonable.
		It's a nice place.
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to enjoy this show.
unidentified		I wanted to tell you one quick thing before I hang up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is?
unidentified		And that was after the Hurricane Floyd.
		I filmed some of it as it was crashing on my house and stuff, and I was going to send you a tape, but I got diabetes, and I had to go in the hospital and stuff, and I didn't ever do it.
		At the end of that storm, as it was heading on out about sunrise, I caught on tape this red light that was following it as it was heading out, and that light went off the horizon towards the ocean.
		We're about 70 miles from the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got all that on tape, huh?
unidentified		Got it on tape.
unidentified		All right, guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you're able to send it, please do send it to me.
		There is something about that part of North Carolina that really has just been cursed with the weather lately.
		I don't get it.
		Every hurricane, no matter what machination it takes in its route, it makes it to North Carolina.
		Coming from the East, the South, even the West, it always gets to North Carolina.
		Same thing with all the winter, bad, terrible storms that bring down lines.
		They're all making it to North Carolina.
		Something about that state.
		Most of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		I got a question for you.
		All right.
		With what your 2000 problem, what did you expect from it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had no expectations other than what I was told, you know, that there were a lot of embedded chips that there couldn't be anything done about, but it got here and nothing happened.
unidentified		I didn't think much of much of what happened with that, but I've heard that the Pentagon is not compliant.
		Do you know if there's any truth to that?
		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		They had a very serious YTK problem at the Pentagon, which they actually announced that New Year's Eve.
		They actually came on CNN and said that they had had some satellites, very important ones, go down.
		And yes, oh, yes.
		And computers, they had quite a bit of trouble.
		The one thing I will notice about Y2K, despite the fact that by and large, there was no problem, there have been an awful lot of things that have gone wrong.
		And every single one of them always tags it, no matter what it is, no matter what went down, no matter what computer system fell up, they always say, but it's not Y2K related.
		I don't care what it is.
		Even in the radio industry, the ratings are late.
		Normally, the ratings should have been out like three weeks ago, but something happened to the computers and the diaries, they call them, but it's not Y2K-related.
		That was the latest.
		And I don't know how many of those I've heard.
		It's a standard disclaimer line, but not Y2K-related.
		International line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bill.
unidentified		I wonder if you could get a guest on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to yell at me against me.
unidentified		I was wondering if you ever had him on before.
		Jack Van Mp?
		Jack Van MP.
		Yes.
		I've had him on.
		Well, you have had him on.
		Yes.
		What do you think is possibly to get him on back on again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly possible.
unidentified		Okay, I'm calling from the United States.
		I live in the United States actually.
		I'm calling from Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that on the international line.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll take that advertisement.
		Thank you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		How are you today?
		Okay.
		Is this Oklahoma?
		Yes.
		I have a quick question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was just wondering.
		I'm doing a research project on time travel.
		What is your opinion on that?
		Can it be done?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generally on time travel?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, my opinion is that it can be done.
		You want a fast opinion?
		There it is.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have I done it?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I think it can be done?
		Yes.
		What about the scientists?
		What about the physicists?
		What do they think?
		Well, they think when we get enough power, we'll be able to travel in time.
		So if there is a future and if time is a linear thing that progresses on and humans continue, then we will acquire time travel.
		Which may mean that they may be here now.
		Sure.
		I think it's possible.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I've been listening to you since 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Thank you all for giving these dictates and making me feel so old.
		I appreciate that.
unidentified		Well, listen, since I've been such a longtime listener, I have had the pleasure of listening to Major Ed Dames at least seven times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I've gone to his website and actually listened to older broadcasts.
		And I've got to tell you, he's still one of my favorite guests.
		However, with each broadcast lately, it seems like he reveals less and less, and it's a little bit of a disappointment.
		I think back to the last show, for example.
		And he's great because he's always on your show for four or five hours.
		But I think back what I learned on his last appearance, and it's like the big announcement was that he's going into teaching.
		It's just a little bit of a disappointment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a lot more than that in that show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, come on, be fair.
unidentified		Well, it seems like a lot of it is just rehatch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, A lot of it is rehatch, which would have to be.
		In other words, if you've got a man here talking about the future, what he believes is coming shortly, and every time he came on the show with something different, then you'd begin to say, What the hell?
		I mean, a certain amount of consistency has to be from show to show.
		If he's been saying for a long time that the weather is going to very much worsen, that it's going to be a product of the sun, that there's going to be a lot of disease as a result of that, and why would you expect that to change from show to show?
unidentified		Well, I remember him saying that a few years ago that he wasn't even interested in writing a book, and as far as teaching, that was going to be out of the question.
unidentified		Y2K was going to be a non-event solar flares that were going to be hitting in the spring of last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, times are very hard to pin down.
		I realize that.
		He did say Y2K would be a non-event.
		He did say that.
		And that it would be eclipsed by an event from the sun.
		Now, our sun is presently doing backflips.
		So with that in mind, and with the fact that a time is very difficult to call with regard to remote viewing, and he'd be the first one to tell you that, I don't think I'd relax just yet.
unidentified		Oh, I'm not.
		But just, I don't know, I'm a little less excited about remote viewing these days.
		I was really thinking about ordering a tape to always seem to be followed by a, yeah, you can do this for remote viewing, but he was doing on the Super Bowl.
		A month ago he said that, you know, for sure he got a Florida team.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he came right out and said he blew that one big time.
unidentified		Well, he said that there's a gatekeeper.
		I don't know.
		I don't know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, because it's either you get it or you don't.
unidentified		How do they know there's a great...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I actually think there...
unidentified		Because there's a gatekeeper everywhere.
		Well, it seems to me that if there's a gatekeeper, why wouldn't you be able to remote view the winner of the Super Bowl right now?
		I mean, if there's a gatekeeper to prevent you from gambling, obviously you couldn't gamble in the Super Bowl right now.
		So could you remote view the winner of the Super Bowl?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me stop you for a second.
		I'm going to surely have Ingo Swan on, who's kind of like the father of remote viewing.
		And you heard Professor Sprinkle tonight refer to Ingo Swan.
		I don't think there's any doubt about the fact that remote viewing is real.
		You know, I've interviewed too many people, too many scientists, too many PhD types who have studied this really carefully, and they all say it's absolutely real.
unidentified		I would just, I would, okay, I've got you there.
		But I would love to know that.
		If there's a gatekeeper to prevent you from gambling, well, then you should be able to remote view the winner of the Super Bowl right now.
		Because there's no way you can make any money on it.
		That would be a very good question for Ingo Swan.
		Remote view the Super Bowl, the winner of the Super Bowl, like right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For next year?
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are people going to say about that?
unidentified		Suppose I go, oh, no, I'm concentrating.
		It's going to be St. Louis.
		It's going to be close to a yard.
		One yard.
		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what do you think people would say if I presented that as genuine?
unidentified		Huh?
		I'd have mud all over me.
		Well, but see, I'm questioning even with Ed remote viewing it a month in advance.
		And again, saying, now, well, come on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But at least, give me a break here.
		At least when you do it a month in advance, people can say, man, you screwed that one up, didn't you?
		Wasn't a Florida team, was it?
		But remote viewing one in reverse, it's already happened.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could give you yesterday's Dow Jones results and the NASDAQ, too.
		What are you going to do with that?
		First time going online, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, this is Stan Cole from the Tri-Cities.
		Hi there.
		How's it going tonight, are you?
		All right.
		Yeah, you were talking about your dreams that one night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Did you ever come to any senses of what it might mean to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even close.
unidentified		Well, yeah, a caller was talking about the pyramids.
unidentified		You don't have any urges of going back there again, do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		You don't?
		Well, no, I mean, I. You know.
		No, I've been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, I don't.
		It was really dusty, and camels, they're smelly, and they spit at you.
		Did you know that?
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		I've rode them before.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then they don't let you down until you pay the guy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're like 15 feet in the air, you know.
unidentified		Well, yeah, they'll step on you if they don't like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the spitting part that I find particularly objectionable.
unidentified		I had a question.
		When you went to Egypt.
		Yes.
		Now, when you laid down in the Shakoskis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, was there any type of sound vibrating from the whole area that you were in at that time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The sound that I made in a way that I had never heard before.
		Does that help you?
		In other words, I made some sounds in the sarcophagus and they came back to me in an echoey way, resonating in a way that I've never heard before.
unidentified		Kind of like a back feed from it?
unidentified		Well, I'm kind of a miner myself, and I've been in the caves really, I mean, talking deep in the earth, and there is kind of a, that you can feel kind of a remnants from in some of the center of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about the center, but by the way, that reminds me, thank you.
		I'm going to have Bonnie Crystal on again.
		She's a caver.
		And there is some proprietary information that she has, and she wants to tell you about it.
		She's trying to figure a way to do it.
		Some amazing information.
		And I guess I can't say more than that.
		She'll have to figure out how to tell you so that what she has discovered remains a secret for a while.
		It must.
		Hello, Carline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, I'm going to get my radio in a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish thy radio.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Lol in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lol.
unidentified		Yeah, and, you know, a little while ago, you were talking about people who don't, you know, look up in the sky that much and, you know, UFOs up there, they don't see them because people aren't looking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I've been interested in astronomy all my life since, I don't know, age nine or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I thought it would be nice.
		I probably can't afford it, but, you know, to get it fixed up in a home where in the bedroom you'd have like a...
		Yeah, right, exactly.
		And have the bed fixed up so that it's on hydraulics.
		You could move it up into it.
		You can just watch the sky at the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up you go right into the bubble.
unidentified		Yeah, it'd be absolutely wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a great idea.
		And, you know, why is it?
		Have you ever wondered, why do humans have all their windows looking out horizontally?
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't care where you look from house to house to house to house.
		Where are the windows?
		They're looking out on the street.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're looking out at the bushes.
		But are they looking up?
		No.
		Why don't we have windows that look up?
unidentified		I've never seen anything like that set up in a house, but that would be absolutely wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's probably a reason why.
		We are culturally conditioned not to look up.
		Well, because you're absolutely right.
		I mean, you just said somebody could make a million dollars with that idea.
		We call it the bubble bedroom.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
unidentified		Hey, I'll let you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
unidentified		Yeah, you mentioned earlier in your show that George W. gave you the creeps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I personally think that the Bushes are members of the Illuminati.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Skull and crossbones, the whole thing.
		well he didn't want is going to have his president just that you think that you can look at it well you know i didn't like the last part of the year So, you know, I look at, it may simply be his resemblance to his father.
		I don't know.
		But I look at him, and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I get the creeps.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, it's this whole money thing, you know, he's got all this money and the Iraq war, you know.
		You know, one minute we're on Iraq's side, another minute we're against them.
		You know, the Vietnam War thing and everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm with you, and it's probably unfair because I can't exactly identify why I feel the way I do, but I look at George and he's just a creeps.
		He smiles.
		And it sends little chills down my spine.
		But maybe he's a wonderful, wonderful person.
		I just can't help but relay that feeling to you.
		Plus, I like McCain, so there you are.
		Even though I'm basically a libertarian, I find a great deal of basic honesty in McCain.
		That's it for tonight.

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