Leo Sprinkle, ufology pioneer and author of Soul Samples, recounts 1949 and 1956 UFO sightings over Colorado’s Flatirons, dismissed by media yet undeniable to him. His 40-year research—from Project Blue Book to astronauts like Cooper and Mitchell—reveals suppressed evidence, suggesting a shadow government hides truths while experiencers face moral struggles from secrecy. Sprinkle links UFO encounters to reincarnation, citing hypnosis cases like Children Remember Birth and cross-cultural spiritual growth, arguing souls judge themselves across lifetimes rather than relying on punitive divine forces. Callers share poltergeist "gifts," Air Force sightings at Nellis (1950s), and Japan’s openness to UFOs, while Bell muses on humanity’s readiness for cosmic recognition, referencing Sagan’s "type 1" civilization theory. [Automatically generated summary]
Dr. Sprinkle began his career in psychology with the idea of being a conventional practicing scientist, in quotes, in the traditional sense.
However, two close encounters with UFOs shattered his conventional reality and shifted his direction in life.
That's what it'll do for you.
And the second incident experienced with his wife, well, he knew he had to investigate the UFO phenomena, and it would be a lonely task, and I'm sure it's proved to be that.
Dr. Sprinkle began his investigations from the conventional viewpoint, but found he was unable to make further progress until he became aware of and accepted the physical aspects of the UFO phenomena.
He became more and more skeptical, ironically, not of the reality of flying saucers, but of the concept of reality itself as defined and developed by the current scientific community.
A pioneer in the UFO field, Dr. Sprinkle, was in the limelight early on, participated, get this, in many regional and national television programs, including ABC TV's That's Incredible, NBC TV with Tom Snyder, you know, The Tomorrow Show, NBC's UFO's Factor of Fantasy.
He's appeared on many panels with scientists like J. Allen Hynek, Carl Sagan, Ruth Montgomery, included a chapter on Sprinkle's activities in her 85 book, Aliens Among Us.
He received his Ph.D. in counseling psychology from the University of Missouri in 1961, completed his MA and MPS at the University of Colorado, 52 and 56, respectively.
Dr. Sprinkle was a professor of counseling services at the University of Wyoming for about 13 years of his career.
He served as director of counseling services currently.
He's professor emeritus of counseling services at the University of Wyoming and a counseling psychologist in Laramie.
He's nationally certified and licensed and a registered counsel for the National Register of Health Service Providers.
Well, I started surveys in 1961 and 62 at the University of North Dakota.
And then when I came to the University of Wyoming in 63 and 64, I continued with surveys and also began individual sessions with persons that had UFO ET encounters.
So it's been the last 40 years that I've been involved in professional research.
You know, if memory serves me, which it does less and less lately, I think that I interviewed you on a program called Area 2000 in Las Vegas a long time ago.
When I last talked to you, I was speaking purely as a, well, I don't know, I was not initiated into the reality of what is.
And since that time, I've had two experiences with craft that were impossible.
Close experiences.
And the conclusion I came to after seeing what I saw was that either we have technology that's so far ahead of anything we can even imagine, you know, anti-gravity, all the rest of it, or it's from elsewhere or else when.
I don't know.
But you can only come to those conclusions.
It boils down to that.
This thing was 150 feet above me, a triangle, because it's from a rock at the damn thing.
I was with my wife, came over silently, not making a sound, a gigantic thing, you know, stars went away, moon went away.
Yes, in 1949, a buddy and I saw a flying saucer over the University of Colorado in Boulder.
Of course, I didn't believe in flying saucers in 1949 because of the way that newspapers and other media treated those who saw or claimed that they saw flying saucers.
So I dismissed it in some ways, tried not to think about it, didn't want to talk about it.
Went through a period of kind of a mild depression because of the change that I knew was happening in my views about science and reality.
And then in 1956, my wife and I had a sighting.
And so after that, I thought, okay, I'm slow, but I'm able to recognize that after two sightings, something is going on that can't be explained through the conventional views.
In the 56 sighting, we were returning from Denver looking over the valley of Boulder.
Colorado.
And the sun had set and the sky was beginning to darken.
And we saw what we thought was an evening star, a planet, over the Flatirons, the Rocky Mountain foothills.
But it began to move.
And so I stopped the car.
We watched.
My wife, Marilyn, remembers it as moving back and forth like a pendulum.
I remembered it more of a falling leaf kind of pattern.
And as we watched, as we got out and looked at it, we saw that now it was below the Flatirons, not above.
And so it wouldn't be a planet or a star.
And yet it wasn't a helicopter.
We couldn't hear any sound and no airplane.
So it was a strange object or light that hovered and then moved, hovered, moved.
If it were over the town, as I imagined it to be, about the size of a helicopter, if it were against the foothills, it would be huge like the university building.
Whatever it was, puzzled and fascinated me.
And I thought that people around, I could see car lights turning on down below.
I could hear car horns.
I thought there must be other people who were witnessing what we were seeing.
that's really a good question for you do you think that will change I think it's changing gradually more and more people are involved in 49 when my buddy and I saw Flying Saucer there was a lot of newspaper hype but it was more in the sense of sensationalism according to some people and wasn't accepted by the general public.
Now I think that the general public, well partly because of people like you and others who have brought information to the forefront, there's not only a recognition by the public in general, but there are more and more people who are military, professional, governmental, who are accepting the information as an indication of extraterrestrial presence.
And the literature has changed from tabloid to more middle class literature and now the upper class literature.
Some of the higher newspapers and writers are focusing on the perspective of ET presence.
So there is a shift and in my view, it's likely that next few years there'll be almost a necessity for those in authority to recognize that they're caught between continuing cover-up or releasing information.
One young man asked me, he said, Leo, do you think there's a cover-up?
And I said, yes, I think there's evidence for a cover-up at the ET level.
I think there's evidence for cover-up at the governmental level.
But I said, I know damn well there's cover-up at the personal level.
And he looked at me kind of strangely because he just got through telling me, Leo, don't tell anybody about my sighting.
If we don't talk about our personal sightings, then how can we expect people in governmental circles to talk about what they know?
So I know a lot of people want it to come from the top down, but I think the push is from the bottom up.
I think as we, as a humanity, become more and more aware, then we will almost automatically give encouragement to the authorities to release information.
Academically, just toying with the idea for a moment, if there is a cover-up, let us assume for the sake of this discussion there is, do you think that it is a widespread piece of information within our government or tightly held even from presidents?
I don't know myself, but the people I trust who are closer to the compartmentalization claim that it's much more like a shadow government or much more like a paragovernmental group.
I think so because it seems as if there are many people who are astronauts, who are governmental officials, and who seem to be honest persons and they say they don't have this kind of information.
And yet, obviously, if anybody were to study and talk with people who have had sightings and who read the material like Dan Sherman's book or Stone's book or Corso or Andrews, there are so many ex-military people who seem to have information that they are beginning to release, Dr. Michael Wolfe, others.
There's just a whole batch of information that if people sit down and read the government documents themselves or the earlier military documents, they'd say, well, of course.
Earlier, the 1949 Project Grudge, Project Blue Book, all kinds of information from government sources indicate the cover-up.
And so some people are saying the cover-up and the uncover-up is going on simultaneously.
I've been very fortunate in having interviewed several U.S. astronauts, those who went to the moon, some who did not.
And I'm here.
I want to compare notes with you here for a second.
I have talked, and for this reason I'm not going to name them.
I've talked to some of these men off the air and privately.
And boy, boy, oh boy, do they have some stories to tell.
But when you get these same men on the air and you say, did you, while you were on the moon or circling the earth, did you ever see anything of an unusual sort?
Yeah, on camera, Major and later General Cooper has talked about his sightings and Mitchell has talked about not his own personal sightings, but what he's heard from other people.
So there are some astronauts who have been open about it and others who have not.
I remember one time an Air Force officer talked with me about UFO business, and he said, what would you say if I told you that I was on such and such a plane in such and such an altitude at a certain time and this craft paced me?
I said, that's fascinating.
And I said, have you publicized this?
He said, no, and I never will.
And if you say that I told you that that happened to me, I deny it.
Deny it.
And so this is the kind of experience that any UFO investigator will have over and over, which shows that both a phenomenon is occurring, but also the phenomenon covers its track.
All right, well, you're a professor in counseling psychology.
That's where your PhD is.
So let me ask you this.
If there was general knowledge, professor, about our astronauts, by our astronauts, that indeed these things that we see on occasional shuttle mission videos and so forth and so on, these things really are going on, and they all know it, and they can't talk about it.
The history of our astronauts is a rather interesting one, full of life difficulties, psychological problems, drinking problems.
Is it possible that they are holding information that they are forced to hold and that it's affecting their lives in a very, very negative way?
That seems to be true of anybody who has a dark secret, whether it's of the UFOs or anything else.
I would agree with the view that sooner or later, the attempt to cover up information results in difficulty for the individual and also represents what sociologists would see as moral or problems of the kind of morality as well as the sense of morale within a society.
And that's where I think that the last few years, the Cold War difficulties, I think is an indication that we all as a society know underneath that ETs are here, but we are reluctant to let ourselves consciously be aware of it.
And I think that's one reason why we experience some of the social difficulties.
Even Neil Armstrong, who seems quite well grounded at a Christmas party at the White House, made some really intriguing statements that were obviously designed to try and get you to look between the lines while still staying over on the safe side of not really blowing it.
Just sort of intriguing, you ought to read between the lines of what I'm saying here, folks, kind of statement.
Well, President Carter and President Reagan and others have talked about the possibility of ETs in a kind of a light-hearted, off-the-cuff manner.
But of course, we don't hear any official information.
We haven't heard any official information since the Kennedy administration when Secretary of Defense McNamara said there is no, what did he say, something like no national security threat from reports of unidentified flying objects.
In other words, the reports wouldn't be a threat to our national security.
I was in a panel discussion of the NBC TV program in 1966, and Dr. Jim MacDonald and Carl Sagan and a couple of science writers.
We were interviewing Betty and Barney Hill.
At one point, Carl Sagan, in his charm, he said he was showing his skepticism toward Betty's description of what happened to her on board the craft as revealed through hypnotic sessions with Dr. Benjamin Simon, a Boston psychiatrist.
And he said, now, Mrs. Hill, he said, we're all amateur psychologists.
And he looked over at me and he said, oops, sorry about that.
And I said, that's all right.
My friends think I'm an amateur psychologist.
He was about to tell her what she had experienced, which I find just both charming and arrogant.
He was a brilliant man, and he contributed in so many ways.
But he was obviously, in my view, like Dr. Menzel and Dr. Condon, people who had information that they weren't, for whatever reason, weren't revealing to the rest of us.
And then the movie that he and his wife wrote showed what his game had been earlier and the game that so many physical scientists and governmental officials play is that we can't depend upon psychological and psychic information.
We can only depend upon physical evidence.
And since there's no physical evidence, well then we have nothing to show.
And to me that game is slowly changing, recognizing that people intuitively, psychically know information as well as physically sensing and interpreting physical evidence.
So I hope that that game will shift to the point where we can rely both on physical and mystical procedures in which we look at what we call reality.
If we do that, then of course the UFO game will be up as far as these people are concerned because hiding the physical evidence and then claiming there is no physical evidence is one way to play the game, but I think it's a childish way of trying to keep people ignorant.
The National Inquiry UFO panel, J.L. and Hynek and Harder and Salisbury and others, we would get artifacts from time to time and the various laboratories would not be able to explain what the metallic substances were.
But, of course, any skeptic or any debunker could say, well, that's just one piece of evidence and what everybody wants.
Yeah, well, that's what everybody wants is the flying saucer to come down and then to step out and talk to whoever thinks he or she is the more important person in the world.
And, you know, why isn't it coming to me or the White House or whatever?
And of course, people ignore the fact that flying saucers were seen over White House in 1952.
A guy named Keith Thompson, who wrote a book, Angels and Aliens, or Aliens and Angels, he was interviewing me about the theme of his book, that those entities that we call aliens, those entities that we call angels, are sometimes the same, depending upon which history and which culture.
And as we were talking, well, he made a nice, generous comment about my work.
He said, Leo, while other people were out chasing lights and gathering soil samples, you were helping people in gathering soul samples.
And wow, it just hit me that that's what I was doing.
I didn't have that name for it, and so I glommed onto it and I said, yes, that's what I've been trying to do, because so many people would describe to me not only their ET encounters, but also the feelings that they had regarding the relationships with these guardian angels or these mentors or these tormentors, depending on their attitude.
Ida Cannenberg in her book, she said, some people call them SBs, space beings, some call them SBs, spiritual beings, and some call them SOBs.
And I like that view because some people, I said, well, why are some people having good experiences, why are some people having terrible experiences?
Then I began to realize that the tasks or the missions of these individuals differed and their past lives became an issue in terms of what their mission might be in this lifetime.
And so that's where I began to wonder if there could be a connection between a person's journey of the soul and why they were having the particular kind of sightings or the particular kind of encounters in this lifetime.
With all of the research that you've done and people you've interviewed and so forth and so on, if you were to remove the sightings that you had personally and you were to rely only on the research and the evidence you've gathered, would the threshold of belief for you be passed as it obviously is now for you?
Yes, it would have taken me longer to accept what I gradually had to accept, not only about UFOs, but about reincarnation, ESP, and so on, the spiritual implications.
But yes, the evidence I've gathered from thousands of people in individual sessions and in workshops and in surveys and in talking with other researchers and what they found, I would still hold a tentative conclusion because that's the way scientists talk,
but still I would still conclude that not only does ESP exist and there are a dozen lines of evidence, not only does reincarnation exist and there are a dozen lines of evidence, but also UFOs exist and horrors of horrors, there seems to be a connection between our past history as humanity, not only in terms of our origin, but also in terms of our ultimate mission.
Having, I think, from hearing from so many UFO experiencers that they are told by their ET mentors that our task is to engage in space-time travel and also to communicate with many levels of consciousness.
When you talk to conventional physicists like Dr. Michio Kaku, who I interview frequently, he says that, yes, space and time itself can be conquered.
However, from his point of view, it's going to take so much energy that we will have to virtually harness the energy of a star or be of that class before we could move through time in space.
Yes, although there are also conventional physicists like Dr. Hal Putoff and others who are working with him who are recognizing the possibility.
I don't understand the theory, but the Cashmere effect of energy at subatomic levels is so vast that they think if it can be engineered, that the energy is there for space-time travel.
I want to tell you something, Doctor, and you're the one that I think it would be proper for me to tell.
And maybe you can help me out here.
I am going to, in June I'll be 55 years old.
I've been dreaming all my life.
I've had dreams, good ones, bad ones, nightmares, dreams, about all kinds of things.
And when I wake up, I know they're dreams.
I know I've been dreaming.
however this is really a cruncher in the last couple of months i mentioned this on the area of the night to my audience last couple of months i have been having Now, here's the way it goes.
For example, it's the mid-50s or even 40s, and I'm in school in a little town in Mississippi that I can name with friends that I can research and see are real people.
It's like I'm being consistently dumped into another person's life.
It's more than a dream because the dream, a dream, you can normally imagine or find some reference to something that has happened in your life recently, whether it's on your mind, even consciously, some reference that will tell you why you have the dream you had.
I'm having dreams and living other people's lives in the last couple of months.
I've worked with some people, and then I've read recounts from others who have dreamed experiences and then later on began to realize that they were dreaming about either what they consider to be a future life or what they consider to be a past life.
And some people have investigated past lives and have found evidence to support what they uncovered in their visions and their dreams.
I'll just mention some of the lines, and then if it's of interest, we could pursue it further.
But there are out-of-body experiences, and that's a whole line of scientific study, near-death experiences.
There are past life therapy, past life explorations.
There are a variety of anecdotes, of course, from scientific people and celebrities and writers, not only in the 19th century a lot of people, but of course from biblical times and other ancient times.
From the cultures, every culture has some kind of theory of reincarnation.
Every religion, including Christianity, and of course the early Christians, according to Edmund Cranston, accepted reincarnation.
In 500, well, there was a council that was supposed to meet with both the Eastern Pope and the Western Pope, and they were going to consider the possibility of eliminating the philosophy of a guy named Origen, O-R-I-G-E-N, marvelous name.
And one of the popes wasn't able to attend, according to the documents, and so Christians were left with kind of a chasm between belief and disbelief, because some people say that Origen's philosophy was cast out, some say that it wasn't, and others didn't know.
And so many formal doctrines have been described.
Of course, later on, one of the emperors decided that reincarnation was out, and so the Cathars in France and other places were punished, tortured, killed, and that seems to be a In other words, if there's reincarnation, then there is not the control of the fear of God and the burning pit of hell and all the rest of that stuff.
Right.
If we can come back again and again to deal with our errors and to learn more, well then we are much more confident, we are much more powerful as souls.
Whereas if we are taught that we have to listen to a big daddy or big brother in order to get information, well then we have a different attitude about ourselves.
And so now it seems as if the urge for freedom around the world politically that France and U.S. and others have helped to establish, I think now there's an intellectual freedom that's growing around the planet too.
Not at the present time, but I think that it's growing.
There are more and more people.
There's a nice little book by Carol Bowman on children's lives, and Dr. Ian Stevenson, the professor of psychiatry in Virginia, has written a book on children's past lives.
And it seems as if more and more teachers and parents are listening to kids when they say, well, when I was big, I did this and I did that.
Instead of dismissing it, more and more parents are listening to these children.
I think that helps the child deal with concerns as well as help the parents and teachers that Yes, yes.
Is there a barrier, in your opinion, between the living and between those who have passed away?
Is there a period of time between lives, a period of time when one might be on what we call the other side or in some great celestial waiting room of souls or something like that?
In other words, the nature, I guess, of this multiple-life thing?
Yes, there seems to be a lot of evidence to support that.
I was thinking of a book that a Canadian psychiatrist wrote, I'm having trouble remembering his name about in-between lives.
Also, Dr. Michael Newton, I believe it is, written a book called A Journey of Souls describing what seems to go on between lives.
My wife and I have done a couple of hundred workshops in the last 20 years with a couple of thousand people based upon the work of Helen Wombach.
She was a clinical psychologist who did a lot of workshops.
Dr. Chet Snow in France did a lot of workshops.
And the evidence is interesting no matter what culture, no matter what group of people, there is similar kinds of evidence that people describe in what they think is a period of waiting in between lives where lessons go on and people draw up their plans for the next incarnation and how they'll handle themselves and their relationships.
And the amount of information is fascinating.
And of course, a person who is skeptical can try it himself or herself, see if they get some results.
But it does seem as if there's an ongoing aspect of our soul or our higher self that has a much higher view or perspective than what we have in our generally day-to-day human life.
So there are lots of people who are doing interesting work along this line, and that's another indication that the soul continues on.
Some people think that they go on to other lifetimes.
Some people think they go on to another level, plane of existence.
And George Meek's book, Enjoy Your Own Funeral, has...
Yeah, Enjoy Your Own Funeral.
He wrote an earlier book called After Life, After Death, What Happens, or something like that.
He has models of the various levels of consciousness and what both religion and science seem to argue for, without dogma, in regard to the journey of the soul.
And it's the perennial philosophy, that is, seek the consciousness of God, know oneself, serve others, and step by step we seem to go away and then come back to the original source.
So it seems as if all these lines of evidence not only support the notion of life after death, but also a kind of a progression of the human spirit.
Yeah, it's a good book, both from an evidential standpoint as well as personal information that he gathered from other people who were in communication with him about their experiences.
It's a Galde Press out of Minnesota and shows some photographs that indicate the personality or the ghost or whatever you want to call it, the spirit of a dead person that could be seen.
His wife, for example, could be seen at her funeral.
Now, there was one time at a Halloween celebration here in Laramie, a couple who have a family ghost, a couple I've known for many years, they're very trustworthy people, and they described experiences, and then people in the audience began to describe their experiences.
It has a close relationship to UFOs because you just sort of don't talk to people about a ghost you saw unless you hear other people talking about it, unless you think in your mind it's okay to talk about it.
Yes, I've had that experience many times when I started talking about my own UFO experiences with other researchers where they would say, oh, Leo, don't talk about that.
Why not?
Because you'll lose your credibility.
And I think, well, which is more important, credibility or integrity?
And I think that our whole society is going through that struggle now.
Alan Hynek had a nice statement in a 1979 conference in Brazil.
He said that physicists are faced with the paradox that light is both particle and wave.
And he said UFO researchers are faced with the paradox that flying saucers are both physical and psychical, so that the psychic phenomena is just as important as the physical phenomenon.
And that, to me, was so instructive.
And yet some of his own followers have continued to emphasize the physical aspects of flying saucers and don't want to deal with the psychical aspects.
But I think they're just as powerful and just as important.
We get soil samples, we get signals, and then people check the signals and then they don't see them and they take photographs.
So all of the physical evidence is there, but at the same time, it isn't consistent.
And some people choose to deny the evidence because of that.
And others who I admire say, hey, maybe we're supposed to learn something from this about ourselves, that we're physical, we're biological, we're psychological, and we are spiritual.
And when we recognize as a humanity that we have a spiritual, that we are spirits on a human journey rather than humans on a spiritual journey, then I think that our level of awareness and consciousness will allow us to be welcomed into the cosmic federation.
That's what I pointed out to my audience, that she was then forced to ask them to take on faith, that which prevented her from getting a seat on the first trip.
In that movie, you get close encounters with Dreyfus playing the character who said, we are the evidence.
Our lives are the evidence.
And to me, that is so powerful that when a person recognizes that he or she can't tell anybody with the flying saucer in hand, but can only say, I am a person of honesty, I'm a person of strength, and I'm telling you I had the experience, and it's changed my life.
And that, to me, is so much more compelling than a photograph or a soil sample or an artifact or an implant.
Although all of the evidence taken together is powerful.
So that tells me that this really is going on within our government and has been for some time.
But how, I mean, our government is not, on the one hand, I generally believe, and everybody says, oh, come on, it couldn't be, because no government could keep that secret for that long.
And I respond in the way professors do, yay and nay.
Yes, governments can keep secrets, but no, they can't keep a big secret, and so the way to deal with it is disinformation, to provide some information that's true and some information that isn't true.
And then people get discouraged and confused, and rather than sift through it, which takes a lot of time and effort, the easiest thing to do is just to turn away and check out on something else.
So many people I've talked with, they said, well, the government said there is no such thing as flying sausage.
And I said, where did you hear that?
Well, you know, everybody who has these sightings gets ridiculed.
And I said, right.
Ridicule is the way to kill the messenger these days instead of, well, although there are some people who have been killed, I think, because of their investigations.
But still, in general, the best way that those in power have decided to deal with it is to ridicule those of us who describe our experiences, and that way.
It seems as if some questions, you know, for example, a person could ask himself or herself, is O.J. Simpson guilty, or did President Clinton do such and such?
And a majority, or you could ask yourself, do I have a soul?
Do I have past lives?
Now, a person might have a personal belief that would be so strong that it might override the answer.
But apparently Hawkins has done studies with groups of people, and you can get a majority of people with information that seems to be reliable.
So just like in a jury, you might have one juror who says, no, the guy's innocent, but the other jurors say the evidence says the guy's guilty.
Then in our society, I've often had the fantasy, why not have three juries?
Of course, that'd be so expensive, but have a jury of judges, have a jury of peers, whoever they are, and a jury of psychics.
And then two out of three would provide the answer to the question.
I'll give a point of view, and then perhaps the listener will learn something from it, perhaps not.
There are many people I've worked with who say they can't recall, even in practices such as past life exploration.
After all, if a person wants to explore past lives, well, how are you going to do it without exploring past lives?
The memory is the issue.
And there are a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists who have a lot of information about the experimental tests of memory and what is good memory and what is false memory and so forth.
And so with all of these controversies, I don't know if my comment will do much.
But the point of view that I would like to express is that people, in my opinion, will go through an experience over and over and over.
The educational model says if I don't like math in the third grade, I may not like math in the sixth grade, I may not like math in the ninth grade, but I'm going to get math over and over and over until I either drop out of school and say to hell with it, or until I say I'm going to deal with mathematics.
And so if a person wishes, he or she could say, it doesn't really matter whether I remember my past lives or not, because I'm going to be in a family of souls.
I'm going to be in relationships.
I'm going to be facing the questions of greed, of anger, of fear in every lifetime.
And so the lessons will be coming to me, whether I think they come from past lives or not.
This is the thing that's so exciting to me, that instead of thinking that there is avenging, powerful God who is sitting somewhere judging an individual, think in terms of the own individual soul who is judging himself or herself over the lifetimes.
In school, we often think that the teacher tells us whether we are doing good work or not.
As we get older in high school, and then we get into college and graduate school, after a while we realize that we know as much as the professors, and we can decide which studies which we wish to engage, and we determine the parameters and the criteria we'll use about whether our studies are successful and our conclusions are sound.
And that model to me is appealing in terms of saying, if I'm a young soul, I think that others are judging me.
It says, if reincarnation was real and all these enlightened souls, in quotes, are returning to the earth to live again, why is society's moral fabric exponentially evaporating before our very eyes and things getting worse and worse?
Rupert Shellgrake, the English biologist, has developed a theory in terms of morphogenic fields, and he argues that rats, people, any species changes behavior as there is an increase in running a maze or in shooting the basketball or whatever the particular group is doing.
And as one person increases, then others increase.
And so I'm pleased that in terms of UFO studies and in terms of reincarnation studies, as people learn, they seem to feel confident and stronger as a result of that.
And other people around them are more willing to look into the possibilities.
So in your work with the groups of people who are meditating or praying for a beneficial effect, I'm impressed by the work that Aaron and Aaron and others have done in regard to group meditation, and I think it's a powerful force.
I've just been the facilitator, and I decided to try some experiments, and they all worked.
And I tried quite a number of experiments with regard to producing rain where there was none, nor forecast to be any, and it worked every time.
We tried a couple of healings.
They worked absolutely.
Both people said they absolutely felt strong energy.
I know all this sounds like woo-woo stuff, but I'm telling you, it absolutely worked.
And so then would you think it would be true that many minds concentrating on some result or influence are more powerful than a single mind at the attempts?
Yes, in Aaron's book, The Maharishi Effect, shows the results of studies that were done in terms of crime prevention and in terms of other social effects.
So the caller who is saying that things are getting worse, well, Socrates said that society was going to the dogs, and so we hear that in the Bible, too.
I don't know whether humanity is any worse or any better, but at least Hawkins' work would suggest that our level of consciousness rose from what he calls a 190 level to 204 during the 80s when the harmonic convergence was occurring.
So I'm hopeful that the Y2K time period where everybody was poised mentally to find out what would happen might have been a moment when a lot of minds are concentrating and hoping for the better.
Because there were people who said there were certain absolutes that would occur, that there were embedded chips and electric company stuff, and certain things were inevitable, and yet they didn't happen.
Right, that's the interesting thing about prediction and prophecy.
Some people have pointed out that prediction is an intellectual exercise, and prophecy is an emotional exercise.
It's meant to change our behavior.
You know, the mother who says, watch out, kid, if you don't hold onto the handlebars of your bicycle, you'll fall off, you'll hit your head, your eyeball will roll out, you'll go down in the ocean, into the sea, and a fish will eat it.
Well, the mother isn't prophesying that.
She's trying to prevent it.
And so she wants the child to change his behavior.
In the same way, so many prophecies seem to be horrendous, and yet the attempt is to change the behavior.
I recall when I was in the service, the sergeants would yell at us, pay attention, man, this may save your life in Korea.
And all of the terrible things that we were told might happen, we were supposed to pay attention so they wouldn't happen.
To come from the background that you come from, you know, heart science and military background and all the rest of it, to where you are now, that's an awfully big journey.
I was married, and so I was sent to Germany, and the unmarried men were sent to Korea.
And many people have said over the years, think in terms of the terrible things that are going on with UFO ET encounters, well, I also see the terrible things that are going on between people.
And I talk with a lot of persons who come from backgrounds where they've been raped or incested or they have been abused emotionally, spiritually.
And sometimes it's very depressing to see what humans do to other humans.
But on the other hand, I also see the strength and vitality of people, and I've seen some people who rise above those experiences and come to recognize that when they learn to forgive others, when they learn to forgive themselves for being in those kind of situations, but they recognized them as important lessons, but not as threatening as they once saw.
Yeah, on his earlier book, The Secret Life, and his first book on the UFO controversy in America, based upon his Ph.D. dissertation.
I know Dave and we're friends and we disagree, and I suspect there are a lot of good reasons why he has obtained the kind of data that he has from UFO experiencers.
And I have seen some of those same kinds of situations, but I've also seen other kinds of situations with people describing them.
And instead of just focusing on abductions, some people focus on adductions.
We can adduct, take away, and adduct, go toward.
And some people think of themselves as being taken away from Earth, and some people think of themselves as being taken toward the stars.
Just like when I was in the service in 1952, some guys around me said we were taken out of our homes.
You know, there's a lot of energy in this record, and I think that's what I like about it.
Dr. Leo Sprinkle, you should have been paying attention to those phone numbers because we are going to get flipping over the phone lines and let you ask whatever question you want.
Coming up in a moment, here's something to think about.
I don't like this, Arn.
I've always wondered if the Graves are friendly sane beings or evil insane beings.
I think you may have stumbled on the perfect litmus test for them.
Ramona's cookies versus orange test.
Would they choose the cookie or the orange?
If they go for the cookie, we're okay.
But if they go for the orange, we're in trouble.
Right, Art?
I don't know.
By the way, the man who wrote that facts to me about the graves being friendly sane beings or evil insane beings, he finishes up by saying, you know, Art, I don't think I want to be in a federation of beings that could pass up a chocolate chip cookie for an orange.
We're about to go to the phones, but here's one other really, really interesting fact, responding to the first facts I have.
To the person who says that he can't remember his past lives and hence they don't exist, can he remember what he did on January 4th, two years before, no, make that after he was born?
The answer to that is obviously no.
So does that part of his life not exist?
In other words, how much can we really remember even in this life, let alone what happened a few centuries ago?
Well, there's a book called Children Remember Birth by Chamberlain, and there are some good examples of people recalling consciously, and some in meditation or hypnosis recalling events and then checking back with mother and or family members who confirm the events.
So is that psychic or is that what we consider memory?
There's some good work by various psychoanalysts regarding earliest recollection and how we may choose something that happened when we were seven years old or five or four or three, but we choose an event that tells us something about life, whether life is threatening or comfortable, whether people are pleasant or mean, and something about the way we perceive ourselves.
So the earliest recollection may not necessarily be the earliest event that we could have remembered, but we glom on to it according to this notion in order to teach ourselves a lesson about life.
But I had something that Ardell has spoken about many times, and that is about space travel, and you can't do it because if we have space travel, how are we going to get there, and so forth and so on.
And at one time, I had a poltergeist, that's not important.
But the experiences that I had were things disappearing and then coming back.
And I went to UCLA and sought help from a Dr. Annis, who was with Dr. Selma Morse at that time, at least in 1972.
I would say treat it as a curse as long as that's the way you feel about it, but as soon as you're ready to relieve yourself of the curse, then see it as a blessing and work with it.
And that's the same way whether it's a UFO experience, whether it's an out-of-body experience, whether it's premonitions or whatever.
For example, I worked with a nurse who would get impressions about when a patient was going to die, and she didn't know whether to hold it back or blurt it out.
And so she was accused of being a witch and blah, blah, blah.
Well, I suggested to her that she could talk with the relatives and say, you know, I had a dream.
If you call it a dream instead of a vision, it's easier for people to accept.
And she said, I had a dream that your uncle was not doing well.
Maybe you want to stop by and see him.
And they'd stop by that weekend and see him.
And then he'd die.
And they'd say, oh, thank you so much.
And so she learned how to present the information in a way that was meaningful to the relatives rather than was threatening or sure.
I've talked to people, Doctor, some of the famous cases of near-death experiences, for example, who, following the near-death experience, they had a sudden floodgate opening of psychic ability, which faded then over years as they continued to live on, but was extremely strong, so strong after the near-death experience, that it was like a company of voices flooding into their brain.
A lot of people have described, oh, if they fell from a ladder, hit their head, or had a serious illness of some kind, near-death experience, a variety of ways when people are kind of propelled into the next level of awareness, and that can be frightening.
Just like a kid who is taken out of the country and put into a large campus university, it's frightening, but also it can be exciting if people are able to retain their sense of self and then to use some common sense as well as courage in how to deal with this new information.
Oh, I've had so many people say to me, do you think these experiences happen?
And I said, well, I don't know whether it's true for you, but other people have these kind of experiences.
Oh, they said, I wish you'd tell me I'm crazy because it'd be easier to deal with it than to have to learn how to be responsible and be more mature in dealing with it.
So, you know, the choice to go crazy is a difficult one for many people, and some people choose to go crazy.
It's an incredible case with incredibly clear photography.
And what I've noticed about evidence, photographic evidence, doctor, is that people are happy when they can say, oh, look at that fuzzy at-the-edge of your imagination thing.
But if it's extremely clear and it's an obviously crystal clear photograph of an alien or a craft or whatever it is, then people get angry and they say, oh, what a fraud.
Listen, I have a comment for you and a question for Dr. Sprinkle.
Listen, my dad was a colonel in the Air Force, retired out of Berkstrom Air Force Base.
And he had some tours of duty.
He was at the Pentagon, Langley, Montgomery, at the Air War College, and retired out of Berkstrom.
And my comment is a couple of times, I actually had an occasion to speak with him on occasion, actually only one time.
He actually divulged this information to me.
In one occasion, he was, as a fighter pilot instructor, he was observing his squadron on the deck out of Nevada, Nellis Air Force Base, I believe.
And he observed an object come up on his wingtip.
And these are things he told me, and only after I asked him, after knowledge of, I actually had to ask him a lot of these questions, he told me that he saw these things come up on his wingtip one time.
And it followed him for five to seven minutes.
He was on the deck at a T-33.
This thing took off at a 45-degree angle, accelerated at a speed that he estimated in excess of 10,000 miles an hour, made a right-angle turn in the atmosphere at that rate of speed.
Of course, he did everything he could, as he told me, to keep him flying into a mountain and went immediately to ops.
He told me he was debriefed.
He made no bones about it, the fact that they recorded the information.
It was an instructional flight.
And all the information was sent on to the PowerShell B. And on another occasion after this, of course, I was born in 1960, and this was late 50s, and I was born in 1960s.
And he was on at the Pentagon, and he had an occasion to get to know one of the women in Project Blue Book at the Pentagon, at the actual office in the Pentagon, which was quite alarming to understand that there were only five or eight or nine people involved in that actual project directly.
And one of the people was a woman who was the secretary.
And he kind of humorously took her out on occasion and on occasion got her kind of tipsy at the officers' club.
And the only time I ever saw my dad's goosebumps raise on his arms was when he told me what she said after she got a little bit drunk.
And she told him, Bob, all I do is shred papers.
And you would freak out if I told you what I read and shred.
He was called in as a consultant, and at first he was willing to dismiss most of the cases that he got, but then he began to get more and more, and he changed his view from skepticism to acceptance of the E.T. reality.
There are a lot of people who think that should it occur, E.T. contact should occur, Bal Hynek would be the appropriate one to, I don't know, coordinate efforts on our side.
Okay, well, he works actually Cullum now heads up NIDS.
And he came on the program, this program, and talked about the ranch, a ranch they had purchased where some odd things were going on, and we don't disclose where that ranch is.
Anyway, one of the things he said is that one of their observers, scientists, on that ranch, using night vision equipment, saw, I know this is going to sound weird, but a misty, light-filled hole begin to form while looking across a field, a kind of a swirling hole, saw a being of some sort come through it and saw it close up again.
I think there is a strong connection not only in terms of the events that people describe, but also the perennial philosophy notion that there are many mansions in my father's house.
Jesus was quoted as saying that what some people talk about in terms of the sky, meaning space, is different than when they talk about heaven.
The way I see it myself, although it's a tentative view, is that there are many, many levels of consciousness, many, many levels of intelligence, and some beings that we would think of as highly intelligent wouldn't necessarily have to have physical bodies.
So are they aliens or are they angels?
The question of the nomenclature becomes a puzzling one to me, but I accept the idea that just like energy can be up and down, we use water as a good example from ice to rain to steam, different levels of water.
Well, there could be different levels of intelligence, and I think that many ETs use that as a cover, whether we think of it as clandestine and evil, or whether we think of it as a cover for their activities in helping us to evolve.
Okay, one other really big topic I want to cover with you.
We've got one more segment to go.
Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Professor Sprinkle, is my guest.
He's an old hand at this, perhaps researching longer or as long as anybody alive right now in these areas, so kind of an interesting guy to say the least.
From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.
This is coast to coast a.m. moving through the nighttime.
Like a freight train.
We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
A new long time with no peace of mind.
And I'm ready for the times to get better.
I've got to tell you, I've been racking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
professor leo sprinkle is my guest and he'll be right back Hey, once again, back to Professor Leo Sprinkle.
And Leo, let me ask you this.
Assume there is a federation, which I know you believe there is, of peoples that have contacted each other out there.
It seems reasonable and even logical.
Right now, I mean, there are many views of what's going on on Earth that you can take, but there's one big one going on now.
We seem to be undergoing a climate change, a serious one, too, at the moment.
40% of the Arctic ice is gone.
We found out.
That was a secret they held during the Cold War.
The Antarctic is beginning to break up.
I've got another story on it.
In fact, this morning, big chunks of the Antarctic are going away.
Glaciers are in serious retreat, and there's a lot of environmental trouble going on on Earth.
I wonder if membership in that club, you know, whether the invite doesn't come until you pass the test, which is surviving, I suppose, in an industrial age or, you know, getting past it.
There have been writers like John White and Ruth Montgomery and others have talked about a possibility of pole shift.
Edgar Casey prophecies and a recent book, Zeta Talk, by Nancy Leder.
And many people predicted the possibility of a quick and violent pole shift.
I myself am hoping for a slow and non-destructive shift, but it certainly seems as if, as you've pointed out in the quickening, that a lot of things are happening physically, a lot of things are happening biologically, and a lot of things are happening in terms of our social awareness.
I now see TV announcers talking about global warming, whereas a few years ago it was denied that there was a global warming.
So it seems as if there's, at one level, it seems as if those of us who have had UFO experiences and have delved into these matters are already aware, and it seems as if the rest of society is gradually being conditioned to accept the idea that changes are occurring.
Professor Taku seems to be imbued with the concept that if we survive the discovery and development of element 92, then we graduate to the next level.
But he also seems to feel that while there are many type, he calls us type 0 planets, we're a type 0 planet, using fossil fuels, that sort of thing, that only a small percentage of them probably make it past that discovery to continue to what he calls a type 1.
Yeah, Carl Sagan and others talked about the possibility that an adolescent humanity can graduate to a higher level so that we're less destructive among ourselves and less likely to take weapons out into space.
And some people argue that if we do that, then we would be recognized as eligible for membership in the Federation.
My own personal view is that we're already members, just like a kid can be a member of a family, but all the relatives are hoping the kid will grow up and not get into too much trouble and gradually become a productive and reasonable citizen in the community.
And I'm hoping that those who are dealing with this will get the same kind of feeling that the astronauts do when they go into space, that they look back and see the wonder of the planet and saying, you know, are we just about to destroy other beautiful planets?
Ingo Swan in his book, Penetration, describes seeing structures on the moon, and others have talked about structures on Mars.
I suspect that there's a huge community, and I'm hoping that we'll become eligible for joining that community formally.
That's why I'm a health nut.
I keep in shape.
I want to be around to see if formal recognition, public announcement, actually occurs.
And I had an experience happen to where I basically made contact with a being that was completely humanoid looking, shape everything, but it was a solid black shadow.
Well, I was wondering if in your meditations you can communicate with that aspect and see if you get more knowledge about not only your own self, but about society's shadow side.
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Well, I read a little book.
Some guy, I can't remember his name, in 1920s wrote a book about the shadow.
But another interesting thing happened where I was asleep in bed.
Now, you know, that's interesting because I've heard that from a lot of abductees, a lot of experiencers of various kinds.
They say that they were put at ease.
That the emotions that I just described, you know, and I'd really be scared to death, frankly, but the emotions that I just described are all washed away by the beings, that there is some sort of control, and it's just like, you know, Valium Central suddenly, they just calm you right down so that you don't have this panic attack.
This may go along with what you had said earlier about why can't we remember.
Yes.
And it really has to do with making an analogy with children.
If children understood why, as you put it, if you don't get math in first grade, you're going to get it in third grade, you're going to get it in seventh grade.
These are life experiences.
And if you already knew all the things that you have to know in a lifetime, then it would really do you no good to live that life.
Well, the comment is well taken that many people argue that going from one life to another, if we remembered everything about the past, then we might be flooded with more than we could deal with.
And I remember talking with my wife one time when we were jogging early in the morning and the sun was coming over the hill and I said, this is great.
Let's get together in the next lifetime.
And she said, please, one life at a time.
unidentified
Well, see, I agree because if we knew, some years ago, there was some, I didn't see the movie, and it was some goofy movie about some billionaire who for one month was challenged to be a street person.
But he knew that after one month, he would go back to his normal life.
But my point being that if you know that it's temporary, I mean really consciously in this life, and you haven't done the Meditation, and you haven't done all these things, then you can get by because it's a blink of an eyelash.
And I know that you have a wide circle of professional colleagues, and I'm wondering if you might recommend someone who is researching in the area of human genetic memory.
And I'm not able to recall right now, but human genetic memory.
There are some people who are doing work along this line, and I'm not thinking of a specific name right now, but if you write to me, 105 South 4th Street in Laramie, 82070, maybe by that time I'll be able to get with better information.
It's a limited private practice, but sometimes people will come from other states and spend a day or so, and we'll go through UFO ET encounters or past lives or both, depending upon their interests.
And some people find it very helpful.
Other people are interested in past life readings, and I do that long distance or a sitting session and get information that I don't know whether it's knowledge or not.
I don't know whether it's true or not.
But many people say that the information is helpful in getting a kind of a sketch of their plans and their activities in this lifetime and the spiritual journey that they're on.
The majority of people are not certain about whether the scenarios that are described are actually past lives or not, but many times they'll say, well, I don't know whether I was a Native American or whether I was a sailor or whether I...
So that just like we could go to a movie and we could identify with the hero or the heroine and someone might say, well, that was just a fantasy, that movie.
But on the other hand, if it's well done, then we see parts of ourselves in the way the hero or the heroine handled a crisis or how they dealt with the situation.
So I'm still not convinced that it's necessarily past lives, but for whatever source of information is coming through us during the session, it seems in most cases people say, well, that's similar to the way I feel about myself.
The ratings from 0 to 9, a 10-point scale, the majority of people rate 9 out of 10 as similar to their own views about their personality or their characteristics or their values or what they're seeing in life.
So I continue to do the research because I'm not sure of the source of the information, but the information seems to be valuable to a lot of people.
Obviously, people with this kind of experience would gravitate toward you if they had the knowledge that you were there and existed, if they had had some sort of experience, serious experience they cannot explain and want to know about.
what would happen if that same person went to the average psychiatrist let's say uh...
in some detail and as pt type experience what will these in this modern day and age see it as a psychopathic Or psychotic, maybe even topic.
I used to say that first we were considered psychotic, then we were considered neurotic, then we were considered kooky, and now we're considered feasible.
In fact, some people, in my opinion, as they look back on it, they realize that being a patient for a physician or being an Alison for a psychiatrist or dealing with professional people, that they were helping the professional person learn.
Now, it's been kind of rough, you know, just like a child who comes up with information that the parent can't handle.
But in my opinion, many professors and many scientists are confounded by what UFO experiencers develop and show to them.
I've often wondered if there were money available.
Would you bring half a dozen UFO experiencers together who have had information about cancer cures?
A little while ago, we were talking about our earliest memories, and I said, I remember when I was in diapers, and I do.
And what I remember about them is they didn't absorb with a damn.
I mean, once you fouled yourself, you were walking with it until mom got around to you.
And that's what I remember about diapers.
How about the rest of you?
Remember that early in your life?
About my first memory.
Damn diapers.
Before they had the pawplus.
Which I guess dates me.
Anyway, we're headed toward open lines.
That's coming up next.
state public You know, I think the following has to be recognized.
This is from Peter in Milwaukee.
It says, you know, hi, Art.
About Mission to Mars, the movie of Coming Up.
They have a website.
I missed the commercial since I didn't watch the Super Bowl, and if you go to their website, it says you'll never see their commercial again, except on that website, where you can see it as many times as you want.
Unless, of course, you have Web TV like I do.
Some of these sites require flash or other downloads.
But anyway, not the reason for the facts.
The reason is, on their website, they list links.
I raced over, expecting to find Richard Hoagland's site and even Dr. Mark Carlato's excellent site.
And guess what?
All the links, and there are quite a number of them, are to NASA's sites.
What the hell is this all about?
It is Richard Hoagland, who's done the most to create interest in Zidonia, tirelessly working on it and writing the best book on it, and he is ignored.
NASA, which has been poo-pooing it, gets the linkages.
Is Richard going to let this sit, or do we do some faxing emailing?
They've supplied an email number on their site to get at least his site listed on the Mars sites.
Related question, how much direct input did Richard have on the movie?
Oh, by the way, tomorrow night, you're going to want to be here because tomorrow night I'm going to have a very, very, very, very interesting lady on who worked with the late Father Malachi Martin.
Oh, yes.
And she's Kathleen Keating, and she's written a book called A Final Warning, The Final Warning.
And it's all about the kind of stuff that Malachi talked about.
But I do, like the facts are think that it is more than just a little strange that the agency that made so much fun of, and some of it not in fun at all, of those who talked about Sidonia, mainly Richard, really laid into him at times, are actually the consultants on the movie.
My husband and I, this is Sandy and Roger on Moey.
Okay.
My husband and I sent you a book a few weeks ago written by a man who has been having experiences out of the body, communicating with people who have lost their bodies.
Yes.
And his work is actually Retrieval of Souls to help people who've kind of gotten stuck on their way out to the beyond.
Ghosts are the reason that I solicit ghost stories all the time, the reasons why I do more and more shows on ghosts is because obviously if ghost stories are real and there are so many of them if ghost stories are real then there is a life that there is an existence of some sort that follows this one.
It's simply another path to proof of life after this one.
It's a very important path to follow.
So I'm sure I'll get to the book and that's my answer that yes, I bore in on this subject for that exact reason.
It's important.
If ghosts are real, then the rest of all this stuff we talk about has a distinct possibility of being real.
One thing I was thinking is that it seems that a lot of the time, I'm only 31, and it seems as though that life is more boring than it is exciting, which...
Well, it seems that these...
Well, for example, all of these things that we're talking about seem to happen very infrequently.
I would love for these types of situations to occur or to see...
That all you need to do is to wish for it to happen.
I really mean that.
In other words, if you concentrate on these paranormal events and think about them and consider them, they will occur.
How about that?
unidentified
Okay, could I just say one thing before you hang up?
Yes.
The thing is, is that I would totally be open to it, and I am open to it, and I would, if I could, meet an alien and converse and go forward with that.
I'm totally ready to do that.
But I think, I wonder sometimes if we as a society are not addicted to being excited and to hoping for these types of possibilities.
And it seems that more, that that may be the more simple answer, that we are actually trying to strive to be excited and to get away from being so bored.
And it's not necessarily real experience.
It's more for our own self-agree with that.
Okay, well, I mean, I hope I'm wrong.
Honestly, I hope I'm wrong.
it just seems that we're so addicted from Hollywood, all the movies that we see, they're so exciting, and we're like grown up to think that we're so special and we can be movie stars and all this stuff.
And it just seems that more often than not, the more simple answer is true, and the more I don't know.
It just seems that way to me.
And it seems that the more interesting kind of topics you have, the more sponsors you can kind of create and have commercials for and propagate interesting things.
It's a matter of opening your eyes at the right time.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
I know what you have Cause there's magic in my life I can see for miles and miles and miles And miles and miles I can see for miles and miles Everything that I told you all about The little chicks you play And
never see you And never see you Ah, thanks Sky, sunshine, what a day to take off my heart.
The flowers are blooming, the birds are chirping, you're walking down the lane, and all of a sudden, there it is, an alien grey with a giant probe, and he's looking right at you.
Look, if you go outside, I can almost guarantee you this, people will not take the time to do it, they won't listen to me.
But if you'll go outside, like the movie, on any given Sunday, almost on any given night, and you'll spend an hour or two, which is asking a lot, I know, looking into the sky, you will see something you cannot identify that doesn't make sense.
I can almost guarantee it.
But people don't do it.
They don't go outside.
And they don't look up.
And when they do, when we have, oh, you know, when we have eclipses or there's some reason or there's a launch from Vandenberg or whatever it is, and people have a reason to look up, then all of a sudden they begin to see things.
There's a lot going on up there.
If you get out and look.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi.
How you doing?
Okay.
Yeah.
This is James talking to you from Lumberton, North Carolina.
I filmed some of it as it was crashing on my house and stuff, and I was going to send you a tape, but I got diabetes, and I had to go in the hospital and stuff, and I didn't ever do it.
At the end of that storm, as it was heading on out about sunrise, I caught on tape this red light that was following it as it was heading out, and that light went off the horizon towards the ocean.
I had no expectations other than what I was told, you know, that there were a lot of embedded chips that there couldn't be anything done about, but it got here and nothing happened.
unidentified
I didn't think much of much of what happened with that, but I've heard that the Pentagon is not compliant.
They had a very serious YTK problem at the Pentagon, which they actually announced that New Year's Eve.
They actually came on CNN and said that they had had some satellites, very important ones, go down.
And yes, oh, yes.
And computers, they had quite a bit of trouble.
The one thing I will notice about Y2K, despite the fact that by and large, there was no problem, there have been an awful lot of things that have gone wrong.
And every single one of them always tags it, no matter what it is, no matter what went down, no matter what computer system fell up, they always say, but it's not Y2K related.
I don't care what it is.
Even in the radio industry, the ratings are late.
Normally, the ratings should have been out like three weeks ago, but something happened to the computers and the diaries, they call them, but it's not Y2K-related.
That was the latest.
And I don't know how many of those I've heard.
It's a standard disclaimer line, but not Y2K-related.
Well, A lot of it is rehatch, which would have to be.
In other words, if you've got a man here talking about the future, what he believes is coming shortly, and every time he came on the show with something different, then you'd begin to say, What the hell?
I mean, a certain amount of consistency has to be from show to show.
If he's been saying for a long time that the weather is going to very much worsen, that it's going to be a product of the sun, that there's going to be a lot of disease as a result of that, and why would you expect that to change from show to show?
unidentified
Well, I remember him saying that a few years ago that he wasn't even interested in writing a book, and as far as teaching, that was going to be out of the question.
Y2K was going to be a non-event solar flares that were going to be hitting in the spring of last year.
And that it would be eclipsed by an event from the sun.
Now, our sun is presently doing backflips.
So with that in mind, and with the fact that a time is very difficult to call with regard to remote viewing, and he'd be the first one to tell you that, I don't think I'd relax just yet.
unidentified
Oh, I'm not.
But just, I don't know, I'm a little less excited about remote viewing these days.
I was really thinking about ordering a tape to always seem to be followed by a, yeah, you can do this for remote viewing, but he was doing on the Super Bowl.
A month ago he said that, you know, for sure he got a Florida team.
I'm going to surely have Ingo Swan on, who's kind of like the father of remote viewing.
And you heard Professor Sprinkle tonight refer to Ingo Swan.
I don't think there's any doubt about the fact that remote viewing is real.
You know, I've interviewed too many people, too many scientists, too many PhD types who have studied this really carefully, and they all say it's absolutely real.
unidentified
I would just, I would, okay, I've got you there.
But I would love to know that.
If there's a gatekeeper to prevent you from gambling, well, then you should be able to remote view the winner of the Super Bowl right now.
Because there's no way you can make any money on it.
That would be a very good question for Ingo Swan.
Remote view the Super Bowl, the winner of the Super Bowl, like right now.
The sound that I made in a way that I had never heard before.
Does that help you?
In other words, I made some sounds in the sarcophagus and they came back to me in an echoey way, resonating in a way that I've never heard before.
unidentified
Kind of like a back feed from it?
Well, I'm kind of a miner myself, and I've been in the caves really, I mean, talking deep in the earth, and there is kind of a, that you can feel kind of a remnants from in some of the center of the earth.
Yeah, and, you know, a little while ago, you were talking about people who don't, you know, look up in the sky that much and, you know, UFOs up there, they don't see them because people aren't looking up.
well he didn't want is going to have his president just that you think that you can look at it well you know i didn't like the last part of the year So, you know, I look at, it may simply be his resemblance to his father.
I don't know.
But I look at him, and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I get the creeps.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, it's this whole money thing, you know, he's got all this money and the Iraq war, you know.
You know, one minute we're on Iraq's side, another minute we're against them.
You know, the Vietnam War thing and everything else.