On January 25, 2000, Coast to Coast AM featured Lloyd Pye’s 900-year-old "Starchild" skull, unearthed near Chihuahua, Mexico, with unnatural symmetry, a 1,600 cc brain case, and dual sets of teeth—traits matching global myths of star-born hybrids. Dr. Ted Robinson called it either an unknown species or extreme genetic anomaly, while Native scholar Dr. Paula Gunn Allen linked it to cross-cultural legends of celestial beings interacting with humans. Pye urged transparent funding via the Truth Seeker Foundation to avoid institutional bias, leaving listeners to ponder whether this skull proves humanity’s ancient alien origins or a suppressed biological mystery. [Automatically generated summary]
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Good evening or good morning.
We've got a lot to do, so I'm going to get right to it.
Lloyd Pye in the next hour, along with some confirmation of what Mr. Pye has found at this hour, what we're going to do this hour is going to relate to what happens next hour in a loose kind of way.
But I think you'll see why we're doing what we're doing.
In a moment comes Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, and we've got a witness who just saw Bigfoot.
And this witness doesn't have a telephone, so we've had to make special arrangements, and this witness is outside right now.
We're going to hold up on his name because I don't think we want to use it nor his location.
And we'll get all that from Peter Dappord.
In addition, we have an expert on Bigfoot lined up very quickly.
Mr. Matthew Moneymaker, how's that for a name?
Is trained as an attorney, currently working in the field of internet e-commerce law, founder and curator of the Bigfoot Field Research Organization, or BFRO.
So all of that's sitting on hold while we get done, what we're going to do, and we'll be right back with it.
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Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2000, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I'm particularly concerned about the young man who walked to a pay telephone to do this program tonight, and I hope the listeners appreciate what he has done for us.
In a nutshell, yesterday afternoon, Monday afternoon, we got a call at the National UFO Reporting Center from a very, very credible and shaken-sounding young man who reported to me that at about 3.30 or so yesterday morning, Monday morning, he walked out of his rural home in southeastern Washington state just to get a couple sticks of firewood for his stove.
He got no further than the front porch of his house, and to his amazement, there was an object standing looking through his picture window that caused him to react so violently that my understanding is he threw himself back through that front door, quickly slammed the door, locked it, locked all the doors and windows.
Fortunately, whatever was there, and I'm going to let him tell that story, was gone by the time he mustered the courage to look back out through his picture window.
I was looking at him, and then I just got kind of scared, I guess.
Fear of the unknown or whatever.
And I jumped back in through my first door, and I slammed it, and I went in the other Door and I slammed it and I sat down on the couch and I was just shaking.
And previous to this, three nights, three times, the dogs, the one that don't bark, and its hair stood up and it was pacing around, and the other one, it barks, and it got really ferocious.
And he'll do that when a skunk comes around, but he was worse.
You know, I thought he was going to jump through the window.
And I made him lay down, and I'd go outside and look, and I couldn't smell a skunk, and I didn't see anything.
Peter Davenport recommended that I tell my neighbors for safety reasons, and when I told them, they said that their dogs had been acting crazy too in the middle of the night like that.
Well, I asked our Mr. Witness yesterday whether he had a weapon that would allow him to stop an animal of that size if he had to, hoping he wouldn't, of course.
And one thing our witness pointed out to me is that he was trembling so badly that even though he's skilled in handling weapons, he thinks he wouldn't have been able to use the weapon.
That's part of the reason I thought this was a very good case and that the listeners of Coast to Coast would like to hear about this case.
We know that so much of real important information has been hidden purposely because the people in power always consider that kind of knowledge on a need-to-know basis.
And you don't need to know.
All you need to do is do what you've always done.
Just watch the ball games and be entertained and watch television.
You don't need to do any thinking and start questioning the powers that be.
Well, I founded the organization back in 1995 and pulled in the best and most active field researchers and scientists who are concerned with this subject and concerned that it's not being documented adequately.
So we set up an organization to do that and to coordinate field activities where there seem to be good potential to get documentation.
It's going to sound like I'm dodging this, but I have to say no comment there because when you investigate sightings, you don't want to put your own credibility issue.
But let's just say I have very good reason to believe that this is a worthwhile pursuit.
All right, you heard Witness X here a few minutes ago.
Simple guy, simple life, remote location, doesn't even have television, not interested really in any sort of 15 minutes of fame.
You heard what he just described.
What do you think he saw?
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Well, we go through a process to try and determine which scenarios are the most likely in a given case.
In this case, obviously, we have a few to choose from.
One, that he didn't see anything, or he saw something that was his own imagination, or two, he saw something that was not a Bigfoot, but gave him a good impression of being one.
Now that seemed a very clear view, if I heard him correctly.
For the instant it occurred, it was very good and in the light and close.
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It did, and that's what leads me to think that it probably wasn't a misidentification, and that it seems unlikely, let's say, that it would be anything other than exactly what he was describing.
And with the organization you have, what conclusions, if any, have you actually come to conclusions about Bigfoot, about what this animal is that we have so many sightings of?
Do you have anything to offer?
What do you think it is?
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Well, we believe the evidence points in a particular direction, and that direction is that it's either the same species or a descendant of a species that was known to exist and thought to be completely extinct.
And the thought is that this particular species or this line of primates never became completely extinct, but settled back into a very scattered nomadic lifestyle.
Do you believe this is a creature that is somewhere in the lineage of caveman to modern man or that it is completely a separate species?
Or is that too much to ask?
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Well, we think from looking from being involved in this for many years and speaking with a lot of witnesses, many of which were very, very close range looking full frontally at these things in broad daylight, the witnesses indicated something that had the posture of an upright walking primate like a human.
In other words, if you were to look at it from a great distance, you would think you were looking at literally a hair-covered person.
But the ones who were closer said, it would have looked like a person from the distance, but they could just see in its face that this was not a human.
And it wasn't really a gorilla, but neither was it a human.
It was obviously some kind of primate species that walks upright and therefore cuts the form of primates that would learn to walk upright.
And so we think it is a separate species and not in the lineage of man.
But there's other peripheral reasons for that.
One being that the lineage of man, they behaved very consistently.
They lived in groups.
They were pack hunters.
They had fire.
This thing, if it operated like any of the known characters in our lineage, we would probably have more contact with it.
Are you convinced that such a creature in modern day today with helicopters and airplanes and communication and travel could remain essentially unseen other than these treasured little incidences that we have and that we can talk About and the limited amount of evidence that exists.
Could a creature this big really remain out of sight as well as it does most of the time?
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Absolutely.
No question whatsoever.
Because you have to understand, even if we have all that technology, it has absolutely no bearing on this phenomenon unless that technology is being directed toward finding the Earth, which it never, ever is.
For obvious reasons.
One of the things people ask us about, they say, what about with these high-tech satellites that the military uses and can see the license plate, et cetera?
But then you say you have the helicopters and all those things.
The systems that are on helicopters that could be employed are $100,000 FLIR systems that are typically found on their military choppers or police helicopters and occasionally a news chopper across the country.
But it would be a hard sell trying to convince a police agency to use their very expensive helicopters to go out looking for a Bigfoot.
For example, in Alaska, I was invited by the National Guard there to go for a ride in Black Hawk.
And in the Black Hawk, they've got a heat signature kind of radar.
It's the damnedest thing you ever saw.
It can look down on an area, and if there is a heat signature above ambient temperature, it will produce an actual picture of what it is.
Human, it doesn't matter, airplane, whatever would, you know, it kind of paints a picture based on the temperature differential.
They have that ability in Black Hawk because I sat there and played with it.
I know.
So they would see something, but they might well regard it as a bear or something or perhaps even a person.
But search and rescue is usually in Alaska or the Yukon looking in very desolate areas where if there is a person out, they're at risk of their lives because it's like 70 below zero or something like that.
So you might imagine a few reports like that.
Of course, you might imagine they don't report that kind of thing, too.
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Well, let me ask you, does the agencies that have that, that would employ them for search and rescue, do they, you're saying they just go out looking and seeing if they can find people who need help or are they responding to them?
And that's pretty reliable, and that's what they're looking for.
And if something looks up, turns, and runs away, then no matter what they conclude it is, they will pretty quickly conclude that that's not what they're there to do, to investigate something else that may be out there and seemingly trying to hide from them or just ambivalent to them.
Is it your feeling, Mr. Moneymaker, I love that name, that this is a real creature in our dimension or that there is some paranormal, additional paranormal explanation for the comings and goings that seem so inexplicable otherwise?
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That's also another frequent question.
And it's one that we address this way.
The BFRO gets hundreds of reports every year.
As Peter Davenport probably has a similar experience, that most of them you can write off because a lot of them are pranks or hoaxes, and we have a pretty good system for screening those and figuring out which ones are apparently credible.
Even if we take the whole bunch of them, even with the ones that we later determine are fake, we have yet to receive one that talked about characteristics or behavior that would indicate any kind of paranormal abilities.
There are these paranormal investigators, and of course I know a few of them, who will talk about stories.
They've heard this story and that story, the Indians, this and that.
And we very aggressively, more aggressively than anyone, investigate reports that we think are credible.
And not based on, in other words, if we hear reports where they're talking about that kind of phenomena, we still exercise due diligence and try and find out if there's something to those as well, holding open that possibility.
But whenever we try and get to the bottom of those rare ones that the paranormal investigators, you know, the paranormalists tend to hear about, you can never ever get back to the actual source of those reports.
In other words, they're always second, third, fourth-hand reports.
You go back, you try and get back to that source at some point along the line.
You're going to get to somebody who say, well, you know, I heard it from a friend and he moved out of the area or, you know, the guy isn't available.
And see, that's relevant in that when we contrast that with all the rest of that 99.99%, where we're very often able to get to the actual eyewitnesses.
And we have to take that into consideration.
The very few to begin with that might mention intradimensional or paranormal behavior.
We can't get to the witness.
I mean, in the normal course of doing ones that even describe biological behavior, we would write those off.
Yeah, I'm delighted to have a specialist on tonight in Mr. Moneymaker because I know very little about Bigfoot.
I am interested in the subject, but I've learned a lot from what he's had to say here.
But a couple things didn't come out from our witness that I'd like to add just very briefly here, if I may.
In the course of attempting to contact him today, which was a bit of a challenge because he doesn't have a telephone out there in southeastern Washington, I talked to the first person who I believe the witness spoke to yesterday after he had had his sighting.
He walked into town.
He's a public official.
And I explained to him I was trying to reach our witness, and he knew him well and said he could help and was very helpful, in fact.
But we talked about the witness, and he said the official reported to me this afternoon that he knew the moment he laid eyes on the witness yesterday morning after the incident that there was something wrong with him.
Something wrong in the sense that he had experienced a shock, trauma.
And it's interesting, the witness's comments about how for years and years he'd told himself if he ever saw one of these things, by golly, he wouldn't run, et cetera, et cetera.
From this gentleman's description of what he saw yesterday morning, I would have been back through that door much, much faster than he was.
And even yesterday afternoon when I talked to him, when he was indoors in a warm area as opposed to out of doors and freezing to death than he was tonight, I could hear in his voice pauses and a certain tremulo that suggested to me that he was still experiencing perhaps a mild form of shock,
which is one of the things you always look for in an investigation is telltale signs that the person is giving you other than just a verbal account of what he allegedly had seen.
I'm Art Bell and in the last hour we heard a very straightforward explanation from a fellow who lives up in the wilds of eastern Washington who came within 20 feet direct contact with a Bigfoot looked him right in the face.
This animal, this creature, this whatever, was looking right in his window.
He went into kind of a state of shock, as you would fully expect he would.
We had a report from him, as well as a report from a Bigfoot expert, and of course Peter Davenport here from the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington as well.
Now, that is going to kind of fit in with what we're about to do.
I'm going to have Lloyd Pye on.
Lloyd Pye is an author.
He's written a book called Everything You Know is Wrong, which is kind of an interesting book title all by itself.
Everything You Know Is Wrong.
And I guess we can talk a little bit about that book.
We'll have the time.
But Lloyd has made a discovery that may relate to what we were just talking about.
That is to say, a creature living with us on this earth that has been here and continues to be here now, but somehow, for the most part, stays out of sight.
I don't know.
Anyway, it'd be fun to get his reaction to that first hour.
So coming up in a moment is Lloyd Pye.
I really want to call your attention to something that just blows me away.
You remember the power outage we had here?
And then there was a sprint report, an official report filed with the Federal Communications Commission in which you may recall it referenced the power outage that occurred here in the Prom Valley and military area 51.
And it got posted on a government site.
I followed it.
Why?
Because it was a power outage that affected me here in Prom, took out the whole valley.
You know, it said that the breaker was turned off, not tripped, but turned off.
So I called attention to that because it was on a government site.
And now Sprint has written a letter to the FCC, interestingly, asking to have the report taken off the FCC website.
It says, let's see, further investigation by Sprint LTD has determined that the level of service degradation does not meet current reporting requirements as established in the FCC document 91.273, amendment to Part 63 of the Commission's rules to provide for a notification of common carrier service disruption.
Based on this determination, Sprint LTD requests that the December 22, 99 report for Las Vegas, Nevada be withdrawn.
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So we've got the Sprint letter up there on the website.
This is, you know, it just gets thicker and thicker and thicker.
And so now they want to withdraw the whole report.
By the way, the Federal Communications Commission has not done that.
They've removed some names, I understand, but they haven't withdrawn the report.
This is pretty weird stuff.
Pretty, pretty weird stuff.
But I live in a pretty weird place.
Lloyd Pye is coming on.
He, too, is pretty weird.
He'll be here shortly.
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Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
People continue to push for this disclosure, but it never seems to come.
Did they know at any particular time that we didn't have control over it, or did they know that there was going to come a time when we were going to know things and they needed to get us accustomed to it?
People have always speculated there's going to be a big announcement.
I think the change is gradual and it's happening every day.
Now we take you back to the night of January 25th, 2000, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well, because of the book and the attention that it brought, some people who were the owners of a skull, a very special skull, contacted me and asked if they could have a meeting with me.
They wanted to show it to me.
They were of the opinion that it might be not entirely human, and they wanted some verification from somebody who would know a little bit more about it than they did.
Because of my book, as you know, it deals a lot with both bones and genetics.
And so that was the two things that were pretty much required to find out what this skull really was.
So they showed it to me, and as soon as I laid eyes on it, I was absolutely enthralled, particularly with the eye sockets, which is what I saw first.
My father was an optometrist.
I know what eyes are about.
I know what eyes are supposed to look like.
And I knew that these were absolutely unearthly eye sockets.
Well, the skull had been given to them by a gentleman who had received it from the woman who found it.
It goes back a ways.
60 to 70 years ago, a woman who was at the time a teenager was taken to Mexico about 100 miles southwest of Chihuahua by her family.
They were all American citizens, but they went to visit the old home folks at the old homestead, which was a small village in a mountainous kind of area.
They took her there to visit.
The first thing they tell her when she hits the ground is, do not go into the caves and the mine tunnels in this area.
But she knew she had done something terribly wrong, but she felt compelled to keep them.
So she hid them behind a tree near the home where she was staying in the hopes that she'd figure out a way of what to do after she could get up the nerve to talk to somebody about it.
A couple days later, a torrential rainstorm came and just drowned everything.
And a couple days later, she went back to see if anything was left, and nothing was.
Everything had been washed away.
She went down where the rain, the gully would have gone, and everything washed away.
But she went looking, and she found the two skulls minus the lower jaws.
Your lower jaw is not attached to your skull.
Your mandible is not attached by anything.
So the mandibles were gone, but she did find the two skulls.
She took those back, snuck them into her baggage, told no one, and snuck them back into the States, and then didn't tell anybody, but just kept them her whole life.
So she sneaks them back in, she keeps them her whole life, and as she's nearing death, she asks an American friend of hers, a man, if he will take the skulls for her and just keep them for whatever reason.
And he says, yes, he would.
Well, his wife apparently did not like having a cardboard box with two skulls in the garage.
So he found a younger couple that were UFO knowledgeable, showed the skulls to them, and they felt like that skull looked like it would fit in the head of a gray.
And so they said, this is terrific.
This is amazing.
And he said, would you like them?
And they said, yes, absolutely.
We'll take care of them.
And so they took them from him, free and clear.
So they are the couple that contacted me and asked my evaluation of it, what I would do with it.
It has all of these things that I'm about to tell you.
The large heart-shaped upper head, the very flat, slanting downward, sharply rear head, the neck shifted down forward from where our neck is, and the neck being much smaller, much more pitey than our neck is.
Do we have a link on our starchildproject.com to anybody who doesn't have it, but www.starchildprojectalloneword.com.
And when you go there, anybody that does, click your cursor on any of the photographs, and what you'll get is an immediate full-screen blow-up.
And if you scroll down to the three skulls that sit above the x-rays, when you see the x-rays, the three skulls that are sitting above the x-rays, click on those, any of those skulls, and you'll get a side-by-side comparison between the human and the starchild.
And there you can see, I think, the best view of the startling differences between the two.
And if you go to the three that sit up, the three skulls of the Star Child, three photographs of the Star Child that sit above the X-rays, and click on either of them, you'll get a side-by-side with the human and the star child.
All right, so all those years ago, down in southern Mexico, we've got this teenage girl who goes into a cave and finds a human skeleton with an arm coming up out of the dirt that's all at the back of the cave, grasping the arm of the human skeleton.
The skeleton beneath the dirt is exhumed by this young girl.
The remains of it are brought back and put into a basket, all the bones.
All the bones are washed away except for the skulls.
The human skull and the alien skull.
They make it to this country.
Lloyd Pye gets his hands on them not very long ago.
We're about to find out more about this skull.
Like an idiot, I directed you all to that website to the point where I've killed it.
So if everybody would please back away from that website, obviously it can't handle the traffic right now.
We'll try and get Keith in and we'll get copies of the photographs and we'll post them up on my website during the course of the show so you can get through.
But we've got to be able to get through ourselves to do that.
So back off.
Let Keith get some photos.
We've got more bandwidth.
We'll get them up for everybody to see.
But right now, I can't move in that Zyka.
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Zyka on premier radio networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2000.
Music Music Well, all right, so we are left with, and yes, I am notified by Keith that we now have the photograph up adjacent to Lloyd Pye's name, I think.
And so you'll be able to view it there.
We've got enough bandwidth.
His website just went kaboom.
So, Lloyd, we've got it up for the masses to see now.
All right, so we've got particular interest, obviously, is not the human skull, but the skull of what you call the starchild, what seems to be physically a gray.
When we first got this art, we assumed, we just assumed that it would have been within the last 300 years.
The skulls looked pretty good, and when people would look at them, we'd ask them for just an eyeball estimate, experts and specialists, and they'd say 100, 200 years, maybe.
So we put it in the time of the Spaniards forcing the natives to dig gold and silver mines.
It made sense.
We get back the report, though, finally, and it's 900 years.
Yeah, so we, So what we're looking at is something a mine tunnel that would have been dug in the period of the Aztecs when they were mining gold and silver for their gods.
So we were off by quite A bit in our estimate there, but nonetheless, 900 years is the result.
I took it to a number of courses in different aspects of cranial physiology, asking them what kind of deformity would look like this.
And at first they would tell me, oh, well, it's mitzhydrocephaly with cradleboarding, or it's trisomy 18 with cradleboarding, or it's aparts with cradleboarding.
And I wasn't hearing the same thing from anybody, but I was hearing great assurance from everybody that their opinion was correct.
And so for the first few weeks until I could get, I was out on a road trip at that time that I got it.
So until I got back to New Orleans, my belief that it was unusual had been pretty battered.
They were all telling me now there's nothing unusual about this.
We see these all the time.
Until I went into medical libraries myself and began to look it up for myself, and I found out it wasn't true.
They were not telling me the truth.
Either they were misleading me or they were remembering wrong or whatever was the case.
There was nothing like that in the books that I could find anywhere having to do with deformity.
And there are certain rules of deformity, and this thing broke all the rules.
So it didn't strike me anymore that they really knew what they were talking about, that I had something here that was indeed highly unusual and had never been seen before in terms of a standard genetic type of deformity.
It really didn't have a name.
So there are two kinds of deformities.
There's genetic and there's congenital.
A congenital deformity is a one-time sperm egg misconnect.
Something goes wrong, some kind of tragic developmental mistake.
And in those cases, they almost never survive when they're extensive.
You can survive one thing going wrong with your head.
Possibly two things.
Three things, you're pretty much out of the money.
This thing, every area of it, all eight major areas, all parts of it, nothing is the same as it would be on a human.
So, and yet it lived.
It shouldn't have lived.
It shouldn't have been kept around in those kinds of societies that long ago when something came out really badly misformed or misshapen.
There was no stigma.
If you were to relate this thing to human ages, was there a way that the experts could tell you what the probable age of this we figured it at about five years old to six years old because of the teeth, the baby teeth, and because the suturing of the head was very good and very complete, so we know that it was well past the age of three.
And it just had the look of a five-year-old.
Although, admittedly, to those that would look at it, the area between the left rear parietal and the left rear occipital bone, this is the left side of the rear of the head.
It has something called islands in there.
These are various little pieces of bone that fill in when an area grows a little too quickly on one side or the other.
And these were fairly extensive.
They are very extensive.
And so people would look at that and say, this looks like it's been around for a little longer than perhaps five or six years, but the teeth always held everybody's estimate in the five to six year range.
Well, this is where the rubber meets the road in something like this.
We have to have genetic testing.
Now, you could make a tremendous case for this thing being not entirely human just off the physical deformities or the physical formations that it has.
Well, what forensic testing can tell you is things like male, female, just general terms, nothing in great detail.
But we were hoping that the forensic testing would give us enough of a lead so that we could then make a pitch for the money as, you know, we've got it this way.
That skull weighs half of what the human skull weighs, and they're both approximately the same size.
So yes, anyone and there are many, I've let literally thousands of people hold the two while I was out on the road talking about it.
And any number of them could call in and tell you that the most startling thing about it is the difference in the weight.
It's like holding a gourd.
It's amazing how different it is.
So anyway, because of that porosity, the acid in the soil was able to leach into the bone at a level that the geneticists had not dealt with.
It also let the oils from the hands of the people that had held it, my own included, leach in a lot farther than they were used to.
But nonetheless, what they recovered was much more chopped up than normal by any degree.
So all they were able to say is that it was male.
The human-specific probe that caught in there was amylogenin, which is one of the most basic ones, only 100 and something base pairs long.
But in saying that it was male, it told the geneticist that you had to have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome to create a male, because a female would have been two X's.
So an X chromosome and a Y chromosome, he has to say, in his view, that it's human, even though he can't see anything about the chromosome.
He certainly can't see any of its DNA.
But as far as he can see and as far as his knowledge base allows him to say, it's human.
The reality of it is he's unable to see down to the level where if this is a hybrid, you would see some differences.
And he acknowledges that.
So what we need to do and what he has said in his official report to me is get diagnostic testing.
And so that's what we're hoping to do, hoping to raise the money to do the diagnostic testing, because this thing has the possibility of being literally the greatest find in human history.
However, they have more sophisticated recovery techniques.
That's what diagnostic is, you see.
So the best lab in the world for this is run by a man named Sfante Pabo, and it's in Munich, Germany.
Now, Pabo is the man who recovered the 300-some-odd strands of, excuse me, base pairs of DNA out of the 30,000-year-old Neanderthal, if you remember that from a couple of years ago.
He's also the guy that got the DNA out of Otzie, the ice man, that was recovered under the glacier.
So this is the lab in the world for doing this kind of thing.
And if he could be talked into taking this case and doing it, that would be where you would want to go with it.
I've written him two letters, and neither one has been returned.
So he's very, very mainstream, obviously.
So it would maybe take some convincing to get him to do it.
But I also, in my letters, explained to him that we didn't have much money and that I was having trouble raising money, so he could have just disregarded me for that reason.
Well, one of the problems that we have with money, with this thing, is we have to be extremely careful not to commercialize it in any way, make it sort of a deal where somebody stands to make money.
I wouldn't put it in the hands of the Smithsonian art.
I don't think I'd ever see it again.
I think it would be disappeared.
I wouldn't trust them with anything.
Frankly, I hate to say that, but there are so many stories out there about them disappearing artifacts that didn't fit the paradigm.
I wouldn't dare do that.
I would really have to go with people that would be more open to doing this thing on an open and above-board basis, and I don't think they would do that.
In what position, horizontal or one would be on the side of the other, as I understand it.
It looks to us very much like either a death and a murder and then suicide.
It's almost impossible to think of any other way that could have happened.
If that's either the mother or a caretaker or something of this child, it dies and then she buries it and kills herself, or she kills it for some reason and then buries it and then kills herself.
By taking a poison or something like that, maybe slitting a risk.
There's no way to know, but it's hard to think of any scenario other than those two possibilities.
Now, if in fact, and we're going to talk later to Dr. Paula Gunn Allen about these star-child, I mean, the star being legends, there are a number of legends throughout the Americas of gray alien or alien types,
gods, coming down into primitive areas, and this goes back for hundreds and hundreds of years, these legends, coming down, Picking isolated rural villages like the one apparently that this one was in, and finding women who were generally childless and impregnating them with these hybrid offspring, allowing them to raise those offspring up to the age of five or six or seven or eight, and then they come back and get them and take them away to wherever they go.
If that is true, and if that happened in this case, one could imagine one of two scenarios.
The child died under her tutelage, and it's the gods.
It's a child of the gods.
She is responsible for this enormous thing.
They're out picking berries someday.
The kid eats a mushroom, falls over dead.
She says, oh my God, you know, and she just takes the child, hides it, buries it, and kills herself for fear that the gods were going to do that to her anyway.
Or perhaps she gets the word that they're coming in some way to pick up her child, and for whatever reason, she decides she doesn't want it to go, and she kills it and buries it.
Dr. Ted Robinson is a craniofacial plastic surgeon in Vancouver, British Columbia, who really is one of the few open-minded professionals that I ran into in my nearly a year out on the road with this.
He looked at it, and being a craniofacial plastic surgeon, he knows skulls if anybody does.
He felt it was absolutely unlike anything he'd ever heard about or seen for sure.
So he did what most of the others did not do.
He went to the books in the same way I did, as he will tell you, and he found out that it was true.
There was nothing like it.
And so he then became a champion of this thing in the Vancouver area.
He got us connected with the DNA lab that did the work for us ultimately.
My guest is Lloyd Pye, and he has a skull of what may not be a human being.
That's what we're trying to figure out.
But he's got the skull, and we've got a couple of experts coming on.
One in cranial facial characteristics, an expert in that field who has looked at the skull.
And one in the mythology surrounding these star, so-called star children.
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People continue to push for this disclosure, but it never seems to come.
Did they know at any particular time that we didn't have control over it, or did they know that there was going to come a time when we were going to know things and they needed to get us accustomed to it?
People have always speculated there's going to be a big announcement.
I think that the change is gradual and it's happening every day.
Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2000, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, let us introduce now our first guest, and I've got a couple of them holding, but I thought perhaps Dr. Ted Robinson would be appropriate first.
He is a cranial facial expert, a plastic surgeon, I guess.
Is that correct, Doctor?
That's correct.
So you are a cranial facial expert by virtue of the fact that you do plastic surgery?
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Well, that's correct, Dart.
I have been practicing as a plastic surgeon now, including my training for 35 years.
And also, I've been a bit of a bug on paleontology and anthropology.
And in the year 1968, I taught for a year at the University of London in London, England.
And I worked beside Michael Day, who is a physical anthropologist, who was at that time receiving Richard Leakey's specimens from Lake Rudolph.
And at that time, of course, I became quite fascinated in the whole subject, and I've followed it ever since.
All right, so you're familiar with human evolution.
Yeah, you're obviously very well qualified then to be talking to us about this.
Lloyd came to you at some point with this skull.
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Directly through a friend of ours, common friend, showed me the photographs and asked me what I thought, and I just said that I hadn't ever seen anything like it.
What delineate, you've never seen anything like it.
Would that include the possibility or even probability of a simple human deformity?
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Well, of course, in the course of human evolution, we've gone through a lot of changes over the last four million years.
And one of the striking things, if you, as an example, I don't know if anyone who's listening has a copy of the August 23rd, 1999 copy of Time magazine.
It's quite a good article on how man evolved.
And if you take Australopithecus afarensis, a creature that existed 3.6 million to 2.9 million years ago in Leytoli, Tanzania, the striking thing is the very small brain case and the very large face.
And with evolution over the last four million years, what has occurred has been a gradual expansion of the brain case as the brain became larger and the face has become smaller.
And Lloyd has measured, I'm taking Lloyd's words for this because it's a tricky thing to do, but he has measured the brain volume of this particular skull and states that it's 400 cc's larger than a human adult.
Now, in terms of our evolution, 200 cc's increase constitutes a different species of creatures.
Would there be any measurable difference between a human of 900 years ago and a human of today?
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Absolutely none.
In fact, for the last 50 to 100,000 years, the only two types of so-called humans that have existed have been the Neanderthal and the Homo sapiens, both of which had a similar brain size, although the skull of the Neanderthal was much more robust, very large brows and very heavy bones compared to ours.
But the brain size was the same and the face was roughly the same.
Here we have a skull which is very large in terms of the brain size.
Yeah, although in profile you can see the face and it's an odd one indeed.
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It is.
And there's so many things about it that, you know, you asked me about human deformities, genetic defects, that sort of thing.
I mean, obviously in plastic surgery we see many children who are born with chromosomal abnormalities, hydrocephalus, what is called craniosynostosis where the suture lines between the different bones fuse prematurely causing a very odd shape to the skull.
And we know for a fact that none of these conditions fit this particular skull.
You know, people have said, well, if it's got a large brain, it must be hydrocephalus, because what happens with hydrocephalus is that the cerebrospinal fluid is produced in the ventricles, in the central portion of the brain, and can't get out, so it just expands like a balloon and does produce a very large skull, but in the process of doing that, it erodes the inner table of the skull.
And we've had now confirmation from no fewer than four radiologists who have seen the CT scans and who have confirmed that there is no erosion of the internal table or the inner table.
So we've definitely ruled out hydrocephalus as an explanation.
And in terms of cranial synestosis, all of the sutures in this particular Skull are open and growing.
How many points of difference when viewing the skull or the photographs are there?
And does it cause you to say this is not or was not a human skull?
Or do you lean in that direction?
How strongly do you feel about it?
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Well, there are two possibilities here.
I don't want to speculate, although I, you know, off the cuff may have my own ideas.
The orbits, if you can see them on the photograph, are very shallow compared to a human.
The optic nerve comes through very low, about halfway down the nose, which is very different from human.
Boy, it sure is.
If you look at the skull from the top, and I don't know if you can do that, but the skull is very broad across from one side to the other.
There is what I would call an enormous temporal bossing, which would suggest to me that this was a highly intelligent creature.
I don't know if you noticed the article, but there's a Canadian pathologist that still has the brain of Einstein.
And there was a report recently, I guess it's still being studied, because what they found is that the temporal region is missing a fissure.
The fissure is filled in with brain tissue.
And the cerebral cortex of Einstein was 15% larger than the average human.
And they didn't know that.
Yeah, they think that this may be why he was so intelligent when it came to mathematics and spatial concepts.
And this particular skull, even though it is apparently the skull of a five-year-old, had huge temporal bossing.
It's also very unusually short from front to back.
One of the most striking things is the flattening.
Now, this is not cradleboarding.
There is flattening at an angle which runs down from the top of the skull towards the framen magnum, which is where the spinal cord comes through.
And it practically, it's interesting.
I belong to a surgical journal club, and there was a neurosurgeon giving a talk one night, so I just thought I'd throw a little bit of a curveball at him.
And I took the CT scans with me.
And he was struck by how unusual the CT scans were.
And I said to him, Andrew, I said, you know, is there room in this skull for a cerebellum?
And he agreed that there didn't appear to be it.
I mean, it would seem that this brain must have been wired very differently from a human brain.
Another point, I don't know if you can see it from the side.
The human ear is almost directly back from the orbit.
This one is way lower.
Another point is that if you look at the back of the skull, the occiput, there is an area of muscle attachment called the inion, which holds the head upright.
Our neck muscles are quite strong because most of the weight of the skull is in front of the foramen magnum.
This child, if you want to call it that, has practically no idion.
So it suggests, I mean, we can learn a lot from muscle attachments even though the muscles are no longer there.
And you would have to say that this creature had a very, very slender neck.
If I could interject, Art, the man who took the CAT scans was the head of pediatric radiology at the Children's Hospital in New Orleans, Dr. Joseph Smith.
Is it possible, Doctor, since you're a plastic surgeon, to, from that skull, do a reconstruction of what the face would have looked like?
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Well, that's an interesting question because the gentleman who did the DNA for us is someone that I have known for a number of years.
He is quite prominent in the world of forensic pathology when it comes to DNA for forensic purposes.
He's asked to go all over the world to look at murder victims and try and identify who the criminal was who performed the act.
And he's a guy that actually, if you saw the movie Gorky Park where they did adding the soft tissues to see what the face would look like, he's the one that developed that technique.
Now the problem that we have here is that they do that by determining the average depth of tissue over a particular bony prominence.
And we don't know whether this follows the usual formula and one suspects that it might not.
However, you know, Lloyd has done some work in that area and I think he may want to talk about it.
I personally wasn't terribly impressed with some of the work that was done.
In other words, you would have to know more about the species in question to be able to accurately.
Exactly.
So then your assessment is that we have something that is either Lloyd was saying earlier that with X number of points of deformity, that you might live with one or two or three.
But with the number of deformities present in this case, he didn't think the child would have lived or could have lived.
Now, I want to hold you over for a minute, and when we get back, I want to ask you about that, whether, in fact, this creature would not have lived under such circumstances.
So that's exactly what we'll do when we get back in just a moment.
We've got Lloyd Pye, who's got a skull, and you're getting the story behind it.
Right now, we've got a surgeon on, plastic surgeon, a cranial facial expert, who really sounds like he doesn't think this is human.
He's pretty far out on the limb, really, in a lot of ways, with how much he's said.
We'll get right back to it.
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People continue to push for this disclosure, but it never seems to come.
Did they know at any particular time that we didn't have control over it, or did they know that there was going to come a time when we were going to know things and they needed to get us accustomed to it?
People have always speculated there's going to be a big announcement.
I think that the change is gradual and it's happening every day.
Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2000, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time I don't know, what would you do?
If you came into possession of a skull like this, what would you do?
Probably exactly what Lloyd Pye has done.
We have with us a plastic surgeon, Dr. Ted Robinson, who is also a cranial facial expert, which I guess you would have to be to be a plastic surgeon.
And if I've been listening carefully, and I think I have, his view is probably that this doesn't seem particularly human, this skull.
Now, Doctor, we were kicking off points of, for lack of a better phrase, I guess, genetic defect or defect of some sort.
And Lloyd was saying that he didn't think that a being with so many defects from human characteristics would have survived.
Any comments?
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Well, it's interesting that even in modern culture, there are many babies that don't survive.
You only have to go to China where female babies who are perfectly normal very often do not survive.
And I believe in the Aztec culture, there were certain types of babies that did not survive, notably twins, which were normal other than being twins.
And so it's not difficult to imagine if a child was severely deformed and required a lot of care in a primitive society where food resources were scarce, that this child might not survive either medically or for other reasons.
Is there anything else that you would like to add, Doctor?
I don't want to hold you up too long here.
I just want to get your best shot here, your best guess.
You've looked at it.
You're an expert.
I'm not.
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Well, there's something that you can't see on the photographs, and that's something that Lloyd made reference to, and that's that the bone is different.
If you have a craniofacial abnormality, the bone itself is normal.
The shape may be abnormal, but the bone is normal.
They said it weighs half as much as an equivalent.
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It's like bird bone.
It is so light you almost don't know you have anything in your hand.
And we don't know why that is.
It's also very porous, as Lloyd indicated, which has been one of the things that has caused us a great deal of frustration with respect to the DNA testing.
But these are characteristics which do not suggest to me that this is an ordinary human skull.
Yeah, I listened to him very closely, and in every way that he could seem to be trying to say it, even though he didn't come right out and say it, I definitely got the impression that he feels it was not human.
Well, there's a woman or two women, frequently at sisters, and they are laying around one night and they're looking up at the stars and they go, ooh, you know, those are really handsome men.
And then one will choose one because she thinks he's cute and the other one will choose another.
And then they'll go to sleep and then they'll wake up and the stars that they chose are now standing there and they're in the form of human men.
And so they'll go off with them.
Then they usually are up in the sky somewhere.
And then the woman or she and her sister, depending, one of them has a baby.
And then that's okay.
There's not a lot of details, so they don't tell you about the conveyance they're in or anything like that, but it's some kind of boat.
Well, you know, this almost sounds like the teenage girl's vision of the charming prince.
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Doesn't it, though?
Yes.
And that story is, of course, an extremely old European legend, which, by the way, is one of the weird things about this.
This story, I'm telling you, is in one form or another all over the Americas, North and South.
Not only that, in other forms, it's in Africa, Asia, Europe, Australia.
And you just can't do that unless we're talking about some kind of fact.
Because they don't come up with the same religions.
They don't come up with the same understanding of the world.
They don't come up with the same definitions of almost anything.
Why would this story keep showing up?
And of course, story is my field.
That's what I do.
Gotcha.
And anyway, so in this one variant of the story, then she or the sisters both get homesick and decide to come home, but they can't figure out how to get down.
And then there's some old woman who helps them and who makes them a small basket, puts them in this basket, and then lowers them.
And then sometimes they come to the ground and they get out and go their way.
But sometimes they fall or the mother and the child fall and are killed.
Or sometimes the mother is killed.
The child lives.
And it's interesting what he was talking about, the teeth that are still in the jaw.
These children often have two sets of teeth, that is to say, two rows.
One row comes in, and then later another row comes in.
Okay, these legends then are talking, if I've got this right, about in modern days what we would call abduction, impregnation, and then the birth of a partial human child.
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That's right.
And frequently these children grow much faster than human children will.
And they have all kinds of superpowers.
And frequently, they're twin boys.
And you find those twins in Maya land.
You find them among the Aztecs.
You find them among my people, the Pueblos, you find them among the Iroquois, the Algonquin, people whose languages have nothing in common, absolutely nothing in common.
then what is their nature that we see them only sporadically in flashes, you know, in the corner of our eyes?
We don't really...
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Part of that's what the Mayans were talking about.
Because they overcame time, they live in more than three dimensions.
And so the physical rules that apply to them are not as limiting as the physical rules that apply to us.
So any mystic or any ordinary person in a kind of altered state of consciousness will start seeing them very directly.
And I think that's because humanity is ready to make that leap into the next, you know, quantum level of consciousness, and we'll see them a lot more regularly.
Actually, when you think about it, it's as good as any answer if they're really here.
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Why not?
There's the deer women who are the onyant sonsi, and I think the onyant sonsi are very much like the greys, and they hang out in Oklahoma and all the whole south.
And the deer women come to these stomp dances, and they seduce men.
And off the men go with them, and then frequently all that's ever found is the guy's skeleton.
I couldn't resist splitted, elongated eyes, horny eyes.
That's right.
Cantation eyes.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2000.
But she let me down every time.
Can't make her mind.
She's no one loved the life with me.
She'll be so inviting.
I want her all for myself.
Temptation eyes.
Looking through my mind, my mind.
Oh, temptation eyes.
You've got to love me.
You've got to love me tonight.
You've got to love me, baby, yeah.
I want her all for myself.
Oh, temptation eyes.
Looking through my mind, my mind.
Oh, temptation eyes.
You've got to love me.
You've got to love me tonight.
You've got to love me, baby, yeah.
Oh, temptation eyes.
You've got to love me, baby, yeah.
You've got to love me, baby.
You've got to love me, baby, yeah.
You've got to love me, baby.
You've got to love me, baby, yeah.
You've got to love me, baby.
You've got to love me, baby.
You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks, tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2000.
So to remote view the resurrection, I think would be a very interesting project.
And if anybody can email it or let him know that we're interested in that project along with everything else, we're going to, and he's got some NASA stuff, too.
We're going to cover that on Thursday night, Friday morning.
Right now, we have Dr. Paula Gunn Allen and, of course, Lloyd Pye, and we are discussing what we call, what Lloyd calls, the Starchild.
Welcome back, both of you.
Thank you.
Lloyd, you brought Dr. Allen on for an obvious reason this morning, and I don't know that I've gotten to the core of everything that you wanted to get from Dr. Allen, so why don't you ask her whatever you would like?
Well, the whole point of bringing her on was to show that these stories of aliens coming down to Earth and impregnating human females to produce hybrid offspring is endemic to all cultures in the world and all times that we're aware of, stretching way back into history.
And she's a scholar of that body of knowledge who was willing to come forward and express that to your audience so that they would understand that it's not just me saying that.
It's a true and well-known phenomenon.
It's just well-known within a tight group of scholars.
And having the reality of the myth emphasized in the way that we're trying to do it, I would think, lends support to the idea that what we might have is actually the skull of a true hybrid, of a hybrid of one of these unions that are talked about and talked about and talked about, again, throughout history in all cultures.
And here we have the possibility of true, genuine evidence of that occurring.
And that's what hit you, Dr. Allen, when you saw those photographs.
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Yes.
Yes, because, I mean, it's like one time I was in a New Age bookstore, and there was a book called The Hollow Earth, and it was about Admiral Byrd's expedition under the earth.
Physical evidence makes a whole lot of difference, and you can be sure there are a lot of people right now popping on their computers to go take a look, including a lot of professionals who will render up some sort of opinion, I am sure.
No doubt.
Well, okay.
Doctor, anything else about your studies as it relates to star children or the whole concept of star children that you want to pass on?
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The one thing I wanted to say to Lloyd earlier was that with the larger brain capacity of these people, and to you for that matter, I think that explains one of the odd things about them, that they can get pretty invisible.
And I'm not sure if it's that they can disappear or if it's because they can mind control us into not seeing them.
If a hypnotist can keep you from seeing the candy bar or keep you from seeing a chair, he just tells you that you can't see it and you can't.
But the thing is, we don't have any idea what that much brain power, more than we have, could enable us to do.
But physics gives us a pretty good hit.
And you have some great people on your show that if you put together some of what they're saying with this skull and what Lloyd and the surgeon is saying, you begin why.
And certainly our so-called legends, they're not legends, they're our oral tradition.
They tell us a lot about this.
I've written about it.
I've got a couple books that focus on the oddity of the way the world works from a native point of view because we interface continually with these beings.
And that's very hard to convey to modern people because modern people are raised not to notice that.
And she confirms that these stories, call them myth, if you like, and I suppose they grow to be thought of as myth, are very common all over the world.
Now, what I would like to do is answer a few telephone lines and let people ask you questions, Lloyd, if you're up for it.
Well, no, actually, to tell you the truth, we are looking for contributions, small contributions from individuals rather than from a large entity or one person.
Because, again, by taking the commercialization out of it, by making it just a people project, which is what we've tried to do from the beginning, we take away the ability of critics to say that if any one person put up a lot of money into it, that that person would then have motivation for in some way altering the results or in some way shifting the results so that it puts money in their pockets.
If we have a number of just small contributions from ordinary people, it takes away the ability of critics to say that about what we're doing.
So we've tried to put it on that basis from the very beginning.
Anybody that would like to contribute, it's to the Starchile Project, care of the Truth Seeker Foundation.
There's an 1-800 number, 1-800-551-5328.
Or you can just send a contribution, however small, whatever size, to Box 28550-28550, San Diego, California, 92198.
So that would be a check made out, or any donation, no cash, please, check to the Starchild Project, take care of the Truth Seeker Foundation, box 28550-28550, San Diego, 92198.
What I'm saying is, if a single individual approaches you who is willing to sponsor this to be done, the final genetic testing, if they examine this, and I would expect they would want to, and consider there to be a strong enough possibility to justify spending that kind of money to confirm this, you wouldn't mind?
We would certainly have to look at who it is, what their motivation is, and make sure that we wouldn't be setting ourselves up for some trouble down the road with that particular.
Like, for example, if John Gotti were to call from jail and say that he was going to arrange it, we would have to take a second look at that, if you see what I mean.
But we are definitely looking for the funding that we need to get it done.
Well, because again, when you're in the middle of the moment.
Let's just say, let's for a moment say that the answer is positive, that this thing turns out or looks to be, or we announce that it is not entirely human.
Now, if we are sponsored by someone who is standing to gain a huge amount of money from this announcement, then suddenly the critics are going to say, oh, well, you can't believe that answer because, look, this guy's making a fortune because he got the answer he paid for.
All right, and I've been following this avidly with some interest, although I'm a doctoral student in chemistry.
All right.
And I'm having trouble reconciling two pieces of evidence that you guys have given.
Okay, the first hand, if we accept the hypothesis about how the skull superficially resembles a gray, and then we have the evidence of Whitley Striever and such people about these individuals being not of terrestrial origin or being extraterrestrial.
When you couple that fact with the fact that Lloyd said that the preliminary genetic analysis showed that it was a male, I believe he said it was?
If this being, whatever you want to call it, was half human and half something else, why would you not expect to see at least half human genetic structure?
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Well, because uh well, if if you study your genetics, you know, interspecies breeding doesn't work.
So therefore you have to be extremely closely related for a successful union to occur.
Now, all life on earth shares common genetic heritage because according to the current theory of evolution, we all descended from one primordial whatever it was.
That life on earth was a random, anomalous genetic accident if you take the purely scientific point of view.
That's why we all share some sort of common genetic heritage.
I find it difficult to accept that something that came from another planet, an extraterrestrial origin, would show identifiable DNA.
Since you're unfamiliar with the structure, the genetic structure of this being, X, we'll call it, the hypothesis said mated with a human being, how can you know it's not close?
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Well, I'm not saying it's impossible.
I'm just saying that's the one big difficulty I'm having.
We will spend another segment with Lloyd Pie talking about the Starchild or whatever it is.
If you want to take a look, do so.
It's on my website now at www.artbell.com.
Lloyd Pie also has a website.
We have a link there.
And when it's a little quieter tomorrow, say, you'll have a better chance of getting in.
In the meantime, if you want to see the photographs we're talking about, they're on my website and we've got enough bandwidth, so go take a look.
It's pretty odd.
I don't know how you can sit there and look at that and believe that it's human or ever was human and only has a slight resemblance to anything that might be human.
It definitely should be looked at.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2000, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Yes, it was female, and it was, you know, obviously clearly human.
And from its features, it looks to have been Amerindian, so, you know, a native of the Americas.
So it's, in every way, seems to be perfectly normal, except that it's small.
It's a small skull, as a female of that era would have been, perhaps.
And it was cradleboarded in its youth, which is also very common, meaning it was strapped to a board and carried on its mother's back, giving it a very flat rear head in not the way that the star child is flat, a completely different way.
When you see the human skull, you're looking at true cradleboarding.
When you look at the star child, you're looking at something that is way beyond cradleboarding.
Again, with the policy that we've tried to keep to of trying to stay away from organizations like that who can, well, again, there might be the overtone that they are manipulating or would manipulate the data.
If they're going to put that much money into it, they may be willing to put more money into it to manipulate the data.
Dr. Ted Robinson, who you talked to, and a fellow named Chad Deakton, who is a friend of ours in Vancouver, are going to be taking over my role as the caretaker and as the individual in charge of that.
Well, I just financially can't bear up under it anymore.
As I've said, set this up so there would be no money lining anybody's pockets, and that includes mine.
And so I'm basically in financial stress now, and I have to go get off the project so that morally I'll be in position to be able to start making money again.
I just find it amazing that with all the things that are going on, the most important issue on the news seems to be where this six-year-old belongs in Florida or Cuba.
I know, look, every now and then, let me take a second out.
Our society seems to decide that it wants some kind of story like the six-year-old boy or like the baby that falls down the well or something which, you know, is dramatic and interesting to tell and maybe entertaining, but of somewhat questionable hard news value compared, that is, to what else is out there.
Well, anyway, I saw something about this skull about a week ago or so on television.
I can't remember what station or anything.
And it took me back to a program I saw back in the 70s, which was called In Search of and hosted by Leonard Namoy.
And the episode I'm thinking of was called In Search of Ancient Astronauts.
And it really related directly to the ancient Mayan and Aztec civilizations with the etchings in the earth that are only visible from outer space, things like that.
And when I heard this, it makes me think that, you know, something like interbreeding or whatever, a hybrid, is entirely possible and maybe probable.
And maybe this is something that was missing that now has turned up.
And oddly or interestingly enough, it turns up in Mexico or Central America, wherever it comes from.
White god, bearded, supposedly stayed with the people for a certain length of time, taught them everything, left, said he'd come back.
And so that when Cortez arrived, they assumed it was him.
And so that's how that small band of men could come in and conquer that great nation, because they assumed he was their God returning.
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And there was also a very detailed carving in stone that depicted, and it didn't look, it didn't have the gray body, you know, the head or anything like that.
It looked like an Indian descendancy.
But he was in a spaceship, or in a spacesuit, excuse me.
Yes, and he's operating some type of craft or something with gauges and dials and things that there's no way they would have any of this back then or even where would it come from.
Yeah, this is Steve from Windsor, Ontario, Canada, and I'm actually a first-time caller.
Lucky to make it through on this line, I guess.
Yes.
The question that I have to ask is something that I asked Dr. David Jacobs and never really got an answer from him in a letter that I sent regarding an alien abductions that I feel that my family's been going through.
This question here is regarding Pergerian children.
Now, as we all know, these Pergerian children, they don't really have 100% clue yet as to what is causing Pergeria in these children.
And I've had this sort of a crazy hypothesis in my own head going around that because they age so fast, because the aliens, when they travel in these machines of theirs, their say life slows down, sort of, because as they attain the speed of light, things slow down.
Now, what if we were they say they were using their genetics?
But the problem there is they occur in, as far as I know, in all races across the broad spectrum of humanity, always have and perhaps always will.
It is a fundamental genetic flaw in our gene pool and we have many like that and I don't think it was one that got loose and just put a few Progeria children in their area.
It would have had to be when humanity was first getting started.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lloyd Pye.
Hello.
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Hello there, Art.
Hello, Lloyd.
A couple things here.
About an hour ago, you asked the question, that is Art, you asked the question to either Lloyd or perhaps one of your callers, I'm not sure, what the difference would be 900 years back biologically.
That is exactly what I believe and talk about in my book.
So yes, that would have been my answer.
And also his question presupposed that these hybrids are the result of sexual union, and it's, I think, very unlikely that that's the case, even though there are many stories of actual sexual intercourse between aliens and human women, I think, in producing the offspring.
No, what I'm saying is it could, though there are many, many reports of that, yes, of sexual union, and some do indeed produce hybrids, but others could be produced by in vitro, by manipulation, by genetic manipulation, because many stories about grays, many stories about grays, and there are other kinds of aliens, understand?
But in talking about grays, many, many stories say that there are no outward genitalia to be seen, whether male or female.
Now, if that's the case, then they're probably going to have some other kind of reproductive means.
And so to produce a hybrid with us, it would almost, I believe, almost have to be done in vitro in a lab where the female egg is taken, it is manipulated in some way, the gray sperm would be inserted, and then you would have a hybrid from that, and then that would be reinserted, exactly like we do in vitro fertilization now.