Michio Kaku predicts the Internet’s next phase—human interaction with trillions of embedded chips by 2020, costing just a penny each—while warning of "Little Brother" surveillance risks. He ties cyberwar to control of AI-driven systems and contrasts Singapore’s innovation with Asia’s rigid education models, noting DNA computing could disrupt U.S. dominance. Human-like robots remain decades away, but genetic aging reversal (mice extended 35% longer) hints at future longevity breakthroughs. Kaku speculates lone black holes—like Hubble’s detected six-solar-mass wanderer—may lurk undetected, while lab-made universes require energy equivalent to hundreds of hydrogen bombs. Climate change, with Arctic ice halving since the Cold War, demands urgent shifts from fossil fuels before irreversible tipping points. Merging humans with machines risks losing soul and wisdom without democratic safeguards, as civilization teeters between type 0 fragility and godlike potential. [Automatically generated summary]
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As you well know, the networks blasted it all yesterday about climate change.
We'll get to that.
And then in the second hour, one of the actually perhaps one of the greatest minds in America today, that of Professor Michio Kaku.
He's just an amazing, remarkable man with whom we can discuss all kinds of things that otherwise sound like science fiction.
I caught him on a financial channel in a discussion the other day that was really awesome.
I mean, he had them reeling on their heels.
So there'll be a lot of interesting talk in the next hour, this one as well.
That's kind of a brief outline of what's going to happen now.
The moon tonight, as you know, has gone through total eclipse.
It's going through it.
You know, I live here in the desert where I swear to you we must have on average 345 days, at least, if not more, of pure sunshine, clear skies in the desert, because that's what you get.
Except when you have a celestial event of this magnitude.
And then the high clouds come in and screw up picture-taking totally.
So, I have taken a fairly pathetic picture of the moon as it looks here about 20 minutes ago, just as the moon was starting to come back, barely.
You could see a little bit at the bottom.
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It is a beautiful, astoundingly beautiful photograph of the fully eclipsed blood-red moon.
You are about to meet one of the greatest minds in America today.
You may know him already because he has been a frequent guest over the past, oh, I don't know, two, three years, whatever.
He is Professor Michio Kaku.
And he is a professor of theoretical physics at the City College of New York.
He is an amazing man, and we've got lots to talk about, so that's directly ahead.
All right, once again, Professor Michio Kaku.
So you know who you're dealing with.
He is a professor of theoretical physics at City College of New York.
He is co-founder of the String Field Theory.
That's right.
Co-founder of the String Theory.
He is the author of the critically acclaimed and best-selling Hyperspace, as well as Beyond Einstein, Quantum Field Theory, a modern introduction, and Introduction to Super Strings.
Now, you would imagine somebody of that stature would speak a language completely incompatible with the normal human being.
But quite to the contrary, he is able to address in a way that others cannot.
And before him, only Carl Sagan was able to do.
Address these cosmic issues in a way that you can understand and I can understand.
And that's why he's here.
A brilliant mind indeed.
Here is Professor Michio Kaku.
And Professor, I was watching a financial news show on one of the financial news channels the other day.
I know you know this.
And there you were.
And I sat and my wife and I watched you and went, wow.
And the two anchor people who were there asking you questions were into something that you could see them getting more and more excited as you were talking about what's coming with the new millennium to the degree where when it was time for you to go, they were ready to blow off the next program to keep you around.
So, you know, a lot of people look back in history like the old world's fair where they predicted the way things would be now, and it didn't come true.
However, it seems like the predictions you're talking about now are already on the burner.
That's right, because we have what is called Moore's Law, that every 18 months, computer power doubles, and by taking a calculator, you can calculate that by 2020, computer chips will cost a penny, which means that when you want to access the Internet, you'll talk to your watch.
Your watch will be the portal to the Internet, and your glasses will teleconference with your home office, even if you're at the beach.
You're at the beach, and your glasses ring, so you pick up your glasses and say, hello, and your boss says we have a mandatory meeting at the home office.
And you say, no problem, just download the conference in my glasses, and I will participate at the meeting.
In other words, in your glasses, you'll have like a little heads-up display where you'll see this face and there'll be a sort of a little flashing suck-up sign above it.
Also, your clothes will be intelligent, too, you know, and when you go to the bathroom, your toilet will be intelligent and will monitor all your bodily fluids and tell you that you eat too much, you have too much salt and too much sugar in your diet.
So you see what the AOL Time Warner deal is all about.
The architecture of the 21st century is not in place yet.
It's obvious.
Microsoft does not dominate stage three.
When Bill Gates wrote that book, The Road Ahead, which was a bestseller, the book was wrong.
He had to repudiate large portions of the book, and he came out with a second edition, because the first edition neglected to talk about stage three, where Microsoft is basically largely invisible.
That's why Microsoft has been fighting for its life.
And that's why AOL made this big deal with Time Warner, because AOL does not have access to cable boxes.
And that's going to be the future of Internet access, DSL and cable boxes.
It can go through the internet, and well, people will be able to access any form of media through their watch, through their glasses, through the wall screen in their house, and they'll be able to pick and choose what they want.
And of course, on one hand, it means a democratic proliferation of channels.
Instead of 500 channels, we'll have 5 billion channels.
Every human will have a channel.
You'll be able to bore billions of people with your baby pictures on the Internet.
And everyone will have their own channel in the future.
But it also means, of course, you'll have big companies like AOL, Time Warner.
And they will have shows that are produced with high-quality production values.
And most people will watch the few shows produced by the big conglomerates.
But everyone will have their own channel on the Internet, 5 billion channels in the future.
That's why we're going to have to have software programmers develop programs to shield us from the prying eyes of Little Brother, that is our next-door neighbor who's nosy and wants to know everything about a sex life and credit card transactions.
See, the marketplace is supply and demand.
Right now, there is a demand to find out what your buying habits are.
I mean, how do we know that when all this comes to pass, you don't put your watch down on the headboard of the bed and to find yourself on worldwide glass vision the next day?
Well, that could happen if you leave your watch when accidentally forgot to turn it off and someone accesses your watch by remote control.
That's why we have to have new software written to protect privacy so we can turn our gadgets off and we can keep prying eyes away from our credit card transactions.
And no, there's not a demand for that yet.
But when consumer demand picks up for that, you can be sure there are going to be thousands of software programmers writing programs to block the prying eyes of Little Brother.
Look, MSNBC the other day had quite a demonstration, and they pulled up on a supposed secure server private passwords, financial information on everybody who had bought something or another.
In fact, as you know, the Department of Defense originally created the Internet.
It wasn't Al Gore, right?
Originally created the Internet to fight a nuclear war.
And so I've been on the Internet for about 20 years now, mainly because the government wanted physicists to be hooked up so that we could help fight a nuclear war and rebuild America after a nuclear war.
In fact, I got an email from the War College last year.
They read my book, Visions, and they wanted to invite me to the War College to talk about cyber war and what cyber war will look like in the 21st century.
In some sense, yeah, if you were able to seize control of an enemy's computer system, you could then turn their munitions against them, right?
You could blind them.
You could send spurious signals to them.
During the Balkans War, that was the first major war where the United States deliberately messed up banking records, messed up communication protocols, and basically paralyzed the Yugoslav electronic infrastructure.
It's sort of like in a fight throwing sand in the enemy's eyes.
If you throw sand in the enemy's eyes for a few brief minutes, he's paralyzed, right?
He's defenseless.
It will take time for him to get his bearings again, right?
I remember, I think it was a Star Trek in which a planet was visited where they had wars by computer.
And if you were the loser, you had to send so much of your population to be killed immediately.
It was sort of a civilized, they thought, way to have a war, you know, and so these people would just march off to the death chambers when the computer determined they had lost.
It was really weird.
Doctor, hold on.
We'll be right back after the bottom of the hour.
Dr. Michiu Kaku is here.
And he's really something.
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When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful.
Oh, miracle.
Oh, it was beautiful, magical.
And all the birds in the trees made me singing so happily.
Oh, joyfully, oh, playfully, watching me.
But then they send me away, make me have to be sensible.
So I wonder if it would be fair to generalize, Professor Kaku, that in the future a war might be won by those with the fastest processor and the most storage?
I heard that a stock or stocks on the NASDAQ were worth more than all of our GM and Ford and Chrysler and all of that thrown together, the worth that they had collected toward the building of this thing that's ahead of us.
You don't think we'll go through another cycle where we take people like yourself, intellectuals, and put them up on pieces of wood and burn them, do you?
Have you seen the commercial that's running on TV, the guy who's riding home with a computer next to him in the car, and he's got a P5 computer, it says on the box.
And he looks, and he's so proud.
He's got the latest, the best, the greatest.
And as he's looking, he sees a commercial on a billboard for the P5 computer, and a big smile comes on his face.
And there's these two guys pacing over P6 computer.
And you see him frowning.
Here he is on the way home, and his computer is already out of date.
If they can make the transition, any nation that sees this transition could grab, could grab the leadership of computing power away from Silicon Valley, and they could be the next great powerhouse of the future.
Computing in the future will be done at the molecular level.
And we already have DNA computers.
The first one was built at Princeton about three, four years ago.
And we're now beginning to create the first molecular transistor.
That was done by Hewlett Packard just a few months ago.
So again, when I was touring Singapore, Hong Kong, and Beijing, constantly people were saying that they had to change their educational system because Bill Gates would flunk in Asia.
You know, he flunked out of Harvard, right?
Creative people, people that are entrepreneurs, the young geniuses like the young Einstein, these people would not do well in Asia at all.
They would stick out.
And that's frowned upon in the Asian education system.
So that's why I think the United States will continue the lead in computer power, in computer technology for quite a while.
Because even though our educational system is one of the worst in the world, it does import a lot of foreign scientists, and it also has a lot of very top, very bright entrepreneurs that keep things going.
One thing that did not come on rapidly, and everybody's still waiting for, is this promised revolution.
By now, we were supposed to have robots that would tend to our needs and take care of us and run around and do all the nasty things we didn't want to do.
Okay, well, first of all, some mathematicians keep claiming every 20 years that in 20 more years, we're going to be zoo animals, robot creations that throw peanuts at us and make us dance, just like we make animals dance in zoos.
That's not going to happen for many a decade.
People in computer science do not understand two big problems.
The first is common sense, and the second is vision.
Robots can listen, they don't understand what they hear.
They can see, they don't understand what they are looking at.
Our most advanced robot, one of them is on Mars.
It's the Mars rover.
the mars rover has the intelligence of a retarded cockroach stuff you know if you think i put on your table and you raise your hand Well, you know, I live in New York City, and there are a lot of cockroaches in New York, and I'm quite familiar with how advanced they are.
They immediately recognize my hand and run into the corner.
If a Martian were to raise his hand to the Mars rover, it would take it about six to eight hours for the Mars rover to recognize that someone was endangering it.
It's that stupid.
So I think we have a long ways to go before we have any kind of robot that can parallel the complexity of the human mind.
And I have a whole chapter on this in my book, Visions.
I've interviewed all the top people in artificial intelligence, and they tell me that it's a long ways away.
But when you're talking about the development of molecular computers, Do you believe it will be possible one day to have, and I don't, is this the right way to ask it, a self-aware computer?
Well, now we're talking 100 years in the future, right, at that point, when robots will be self-aware to the point they may actually want to take over.
At that point, some scientists have claimed that we should merge with them.
Again, this is now at least 100 years in the future.
Instead of competing with robots, we should merge with them.
The doctor will give you a shot in the arm, not to cure measles or chickenpox, but to cure cystic fibrosis, to cure Tayfax for Jews, to cure sickle cell anemia for African Americans.
And we'll be able to cure many genetic diseases within about 20 years.
As a matter of fact, I have a Dr. Klatz that I've interviewed.
And he said, look, if you can hang on for about another 35 or 40 years, he thinks there will be an answer that will allow the cessation or even the reversal of the aging process.
We'll be right back, and we'll talk about that when we do get back.
Dr. Michio Kaku is here.
And if you're listening carefully, you should feel it too.
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Every night I hope and pray A dream lover will come my way A girl to hold in my arms And know the magic of her charms Cause I want a girl to call my own I want a dream lover so I don't have to dream alone That's what we dreamed about in the 50s and 60s, right?
It's more than a brave new world we're talking about, isn't it?
Dr. Michio Kaku, Professor Kaku, is my guest tonight.
One of the best minds really in the country right now.
A man who can break it down so you can understand it.
We're talking about longevity.
We'll get back to that in a moment.
Once again, Professor Kaku and Professor, if this really does occur, if we can, for example, double or triple our lifespan or even stop it and reverse it, is that a good thing?
I think cybersex is going to revolutionize relations between men and women, of course.
But I think initially it's going to increase our interaction between the sexes.
Within 20 years, for example, you'll simply talk to the wall screen on Friday night and say, mirror, mirror on the wall.
Who's available on Friday night?
And your wall screen will contact all the other wall screens of people who are also talking to their wall screens, wondering who's available on Friday night.
And we'll match all your characteristics, your choices, income level, looks, all that kind of stuff.
And boom, you'll see all the faces and profiles of people who are able and willing to go out with you on a Friday night.
Then your wall screen would then set up a date where you two could then meet.
So in other words, in the future, we'll have magic mirrors, just like on a fairy tale, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, whereby you'll talk to the wall and be able to meet people that you would never have met before, but that the computer could set up for you because your computer knows basically your tastes.
Now, then the question is, what about real cyber sex that some scientists have speculated about?
If you've ever been to a virtual reality emporium, if you ever put on those clunky gloves and those clunky glasses, you'll realize that we have decades to go before we can begin to simulate real human interactions.
These gloves are simply gigantic mittens with very low resolution.
These glasses basically show cartoons to you.
And so the whole sense of touch, I think, is going to take many, many decades.
We're talking mid-century before we come to the ability to begin to reproduce touch the way that we feel it.
But remember that cyber toys, I mean, sex toys have been with us ever since humans left the forest.
Oh, absolutely.
That hasn't replaced human interaction because we are social animals.
We're social animals.
We've had sex toys for millions of years, and we still reproduce.
Well, that was really a good answer, because Hugh Hefner could have gone on forever having, heaven knows, 21-year-olds all he wanted, and yet he chose to have a human companion.
So you have a good point there.
All right.
Let's turn from this for a second, because there have been some really, really, really interesting stories breaking in the news lately.
And that's the first thing that caused me to think I wanted to bring you back on.
They're talking now about the discovery of lone drifter black holes.
And the concept is incredible.
Black holes that don't stay in the same place, but they sort of walls around.
This sent shockwaves in Atlanta last week at the 195th meeting of the American Astronomical Society.
There were several blockbuster announcements made at that conference.
First is they discovered a black hole adrift, a lone wandering black hole not that far from the planet Earth that was detected by the Hubble Space Telescope.
They've also detected 20 galactic black holes that are way the hell out, gigantic, monstrous black holes, 20 of them now have been authenticated.
28 planets have now been seen outside our solar system, 28 of them for God's sake, right?
So we're entering a new era of astronomy.
We're no longer speculating about extrasolar planets and about black holes and stuff.
Now this black hole, by the way, that was seen wandering just outside the Milky Way galaxy was not seen directly because black holes are of course invisible.
But it distorted the light around it.
And by watching for light being distorted as this black hole wandered around the trajectory.
And that's how the Hubble Space Telescope detected and confirmed the presence of this black hole, six times the mass of our Sun, just drifting, just drifting outside the galactic plane.
And so it means that, one, black holes are more plentiful than we originally thought.
They don't have to be in double stars.
They don't have to be galactic.
And they can be quite close to the Earth.
The closest one, by the way, was also announced at that meeting.
The closest black hole is only 1,600 light years away.
Now, what you described as planets being tossed hither and yon and the Earth doing this and that, basically, it would, if it got close enough, it would simply extinguish all life, wouldn't it?
The Earth would be incompatible with life because of the fact that it would put stresses on the crust of the Earth.
The oceans would, some of the water would literally fly into the air if it's attracted by the black hole, and the crust of the Earth would not be able to withstand these kinds of tidal forces.
And yeah, the Earth itself would probably be ripped apart.
So it wouldn't be very pretty if we got too close to the Earth.
A very good friend of mine, a doctor in Southern California, wrote a sentence that he wanted me to relay to you about when we were talking about black holes tonight.
And he simply said, and for Dr. Kaku, black holes are where God divides by zero.
This was proven in 1963 by the mathematician Roy Kerr of New Zealand.
It's not going to be divisioned by zero exactly, which means you're going to fall through the center of the ring.
And if you fall through the center of the ring, you might wind up on a parallel universe.
This is the Einstein-Rosen bridge, the famous Einstein-Rosen bridge that gives you a wormhole connecting one part of the universe with another part of the universe.
Now, of course, it would be very dangerous to go through a black hole.
Well, you know, in Physical Review Letters, which is the magazine that we publish in, an article came out of Caltech showing that if we had what is called negative energy, an exotic form of energy that exists only in very small quantities, then we could perhaps build a wormhole machine where the stresses on the body would be no more than an airplane flight.
It'd be just like taking an airplane flight through this long tunnel, and the stresses would no more, wouldn't be any worse than the tumble you get inside a commercial airline flight.
Now that, of course, requires negative energy, and this is a fantastic source of energy that we cannot harness on the planet Earth.
If you get the latest issue of Scientific American, there's a whole article about warp drive in the latest issue of Scientific American.
So at least possibility would be that we have been or will be visited by one of these type 2 or type 3s because that kind of transportation is available to them.
Many scientists are skeptical of these visitations by aliens because distances are huge.
It takes four light years to go to the nearest star.
And that's like, what, 24 trillion miles?
That's a long distance to hitchhike if you want to go to the nearest star.
But if you are type two, then, of course, all bets are off.
By that time, you can harness what is called the Planck energy.
And the Planck energy is the energy at which holes begin to open in space and time.
And then all bets are off.
If you're type two, you can begin to play with holes in space.
And at that point, then, yeah, then Alice in Wonderland's Looking Glass becomes an option for you.
You would not necessarily use flying saucers, you would just use gateways, gateways or portals just to walk through these rings that would be, you know, consist of negative energy or negative matter and allow you to go enormous distances in the twinkling of an eye.
I think that, yes, I think that we'll probably have a few thousand, a few hundred to a few thousand planets in our galaxy which harbor intelligent life.
Some of them could be, you know, thousands, millions of years ahead of us.
And if just one, if just one type two civilization were to emerge, it eventually would become type three and populate the galaxy.
And the sad thing is that we're probably too primitive to even know the fact that there's a type three civilization in our backyard.
Well, we would be of interest to them in the same way that animals are interesting to us.
A type 2, by definition, has the energy output about 100 billion times the output of the entire Earth.
So their total megawattage generation is about 100 billion times that of the planet Earth.
They're stellar.
Their output corresponds to that of a star.
Their energy needs and energy outputs.
And on that scale, you're talking about a civilization, you know, maybe 1,000 years, a few thousand years ahead of ours.
In which case, they would consider us quite quaint, quite primitive.
And they may not consider us very interesting.
We like to think that we're so marvelous that they're going to want to come to us and visit us and dance with us and perform forbidden experiments on us.
But maybe they just don't think of us being that interesting.
And if you're an ant in a forest and somebody's building a six-lane superhighway right next to you, would the ants be able to detect the presence of a six-lane superhighway being built right next to them?
The ants wouldn't have the right frequencies.
They wouldn't have the right instruments.
They would not be able to detect or even understand what a six-lane superhighway was built right next to the anthill.
And so I think that, ironically enough, there could be a neighboring type 3 civilization fairly close to the Earth, and we wouldn't even know it.
So is it then odd or not a surprise that so far SETI and all the programs that have tried to hear something or see something or get some signal from anywhere else of any intelligent life has thus far absolutely failed?
Professor Michio Kaku is here, and we're talking about all kinds of stuff.
And now, you know, they've got this person who's going to make a black hole in his basement.
I'll tell you more about that in a moment.
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You're listening to one of the greatest minds in America right now, Dr. Professor Michio Kaku.
And we're talking about, oh, I don't know, all kinds of things happening around us that we're just discovering, things we didn't know about, like wandering black holes.
And I was exaggerating a little bit when I talked about basement black holes, but I'll expand and we'll talk about it in a second.
Okay, so maybe not black holes in your basement, but pretty close.
Let me read this.
From the BBC.
A physicist has suggested that a peculiar type of, a particular type of black hole could be made in the laboratory rather easily.
It would be about a half meter wide and be made of electrons.
Until now, black holes in a lab have been the stuff, of course, of science fiction.
The disaster scenario for an earthly black hole generally begins with an experiment involving a high-energy particle accelerator that smashes subatomic particles together.
Particle accelerators are designed to collide particles together at incredible energies to recreate the conditions of the Big Bang.
Matter and energy are indistinguishable in the explosion and obey laws that do not come into play in our everyday universes.
Actually, they rather feature the Earth would be gone in about an hour.
Within an hour, it says, the Earth would be gone, replaced by a hole in space and time.
However, the creation of a black hole on Earth was not thought to be feasible until now.
Theoretical calculations carried out by King Saud University in Saudi Arabia, of all places, suggest it would be rather easy to make a black hole in the laboratory, but it would not be a black hole as we have imagined them.
It would be a black hole for electrons only.
All other particles and light get this, would be able to pass in and out of the black hole.
But once an electron went inside, it would be forever trapped.
Well, when you take a look at basement black holes, you have to realize that if I take the sun, the sun, and squeeze it to about a mile, one mile, then it would collapse into a black hole.
That's how much black holes weigh.
They're incredible devices.
Objects weighing basically larger than the sun to be compressed down to a mile.
Now, when we physicists do these calculations on basement black holes, these calculations, of course, assume that we have access to unlimited amounts of energy and we can squeeze them to incredible distances.
To create a black hole that weighs as much as the Earth, you would have to squeeze the Earth down to a thimble, and then it would start to implode.
However, my friend Alan Guth, MIT physicist and author of the Inflationary Universe Idea, he did a calculation of what it would take to create a universe in your basement.
If you had an oven and you were to increase the temperature of the oven to trillions and trillions upon trillions of degrees, at what point would a baby universe begin to emerge?
Now the calculation is pretty straightforward.
It's been published in Physical Review Letters.
You would have to heat your oven to 100 trillion trillion degrees.
That's far beyond the temperature of a supernova.
And if you could do that, then yes, a small universe will begin to emerge in your oven.
So I asked Alan, wouldn't this be kind of dangerous?
I mean, building a small little big bang in your basement?
Yes, but again, the energy output is that of a type 2 civilization.
You would have to be at least type 2 before you can even conceive of playing with the energy output of a star.
And 100 trillion trillion degrees, of course, is a trillion times the temperature of a supernova.
And so we are talking about a theoretical calculation of what if, what if you were type 2, and what if you could create in your oven, in your basement, a temperature of 100 trillion trillion degrees, then you would have a baby universe open up, a little whirlpool open.
If we took a quantum leap as big as we did when we harnessed, well, we didn't harness, when we discovered element 92 and the way to make bombs out of it and so forth, if we took that big a leap from where we are now, where would we be?
And now we're talking about another leap even bigger than that to a black hole.
Again, if you take the Sun, compress it to about a mile across, that is the short shield radius or the event horizon of the Sun, then the Sun would implode and become a black hole.
Now the Sun cannot do that.
Gravity is not powerful enough to squeeze the Sun to about a mile.
Therefore, our Sun will not become a black hole.
Our Sun will, when the Sun dies, the Sun will die basically as a white dwarf.
It will not become a black hole.
But larger stars, you know, 10 to 50 times larger than our Sun, will in fact become black holes.
And, you know, judging from the meeting of the American Astronomical Society meeting of last week in Atlanta, we're talking about the galaxy perhaps teeming, teeming with wandering, lone black holes.
And even in the press release, I have the press release right here in front of me, they even say that this could mean that, yes, warp holes discovered wandering around the galaxy without giving us any warning.
If we were to detect a wandering black hole coming toward us, let's say we got lucky and Hubble saw the light shifting radically and we saw this thing and it was coming toward us, what could we do about it now?
I mean, when you address the larger picture, shouldn't we be moving toward the warp drives you're talking about, toward all kinds of things that would take us off this planet?
Yes, I heard, by the way, Doctor, you might want to comment on this, that the Arctic ice they discovered during the Cold War with our submarines, and they wouldn't tell us about it because is now 40% less than the last couple of decades.
They didn't tell us of this because it was the height of the Cold War, but periodic visits to the Arctic with the Nautilus and many other nuclear-powered submarines were able to calculate the thickness of the ice.
And the ice cover of the Arctic is about half the way it was at the beginning of the Cold War.
And large parts of Alaska are beginning to thaw out.
In fact, the sea level is already beginning to rise because simply ocean water warming expands.
You know, you all know that things expand when they get warm.
So just the rise of one degree in ocean water temperature of the last 100 years has expanded the oceans and has risen sea level rise, caused sea level rise.
But now as the glaciers begin to melt and as parts of Alaska begin to thaw out and as the glaciers begin to recede in the Andes and other places around the earth, then I think we're going to start to see sea level rise.
And this does not mean that cities will be underwater.
It'll mean that hurricanes, monster storms, will then take advantage of the sea level rise to put water into the cities in a major storm.
For example, I live in Manhattan, and the subway system could be very easily engulfed by a monster storm, and you could paralyze all of Manhattan and all of Wall Street.
And even without having sea level rise in Gulf Wall Street, you could have paralysis of major cities simply because of storms that will then fling water into the cities.
New Orleans has to worry about this because parts of New Orleans are actually below sea level.
Holland has to worry about this because of the dikes.
And coastal cities, and most humans live on the coast, are going to have to worry about this.
So if I were you, I would not think about buying beachfront property too soon.
The Florida up Canada, up to Greenland, and into England.
And if that ocean current is disrupted because of the changes in the weather of the Earth, that means you're going to freeze large parts of Europe and create a mini-ice age.
In other words, if you took, for example, all of the ice at the Arctic and began to add this cold, fresh water to the salt water, why there's no telling what might happen.
In other words, if the ice shelves were to gradually break up, and huge chunks the size of Delaware have already broken up, by the way, broken off the Antarctic, the immediate danger would not necessarily be sea level rise.
The immediate danger would be a disruption of the ocean currents.
And if these ocean currents are disrupted, that means warm water will not wind up where it should go, like to England.
And a disruption of that belt of warm water to England could freeze large parts of Europe.
And it's happened in the past, by the way.
You know, 10,000 years ago, we now realize there was a very major shift in sea level rise about 10,000 years ago.
And it happened within about just a few years.
Just a few years, this gigantic rise in sea level took place.
In fact, you're going to see a lot of prehistoric men and women and mammoths thawing out because the ice cover is thawing out universally over the planet Earth.
Every piece of ice on the planet Earth is gradually receding and it's leaving behind frozen carcasses that have been frozen for thousands of years, and they've been stable for thousands of years.
Stable.
And all of a sudden we see them, okay?
And you're going to have more and more science specials on frozen humans and frozen mammoths that are discovered as the glaciers recede, which is a warning.
The past is warning the present that we're monkeying with cosmic forces by heating up the temperature of the Earth.
And that's why the spurious results were being published showing that the Earth was cooling rather than heating up because the satellite itself was miscalibrated.
It is indeed, and we are honored to have Professor Mitchi Okaku here.
tonight to answer your questions and it Regarding those migratory black holes and the resulting wobble effect on Earth, think of the panic that would ensue in Los Angeles when the locals would have to change their signs.
Well, I would recommend that they read Visions, because that takes us 20, 50, 100 years into the future.
And then I would recommend beyond Einstein and hyperspace, because then we're talking about going a few thousand years into the future when we have the ability to manipulate hyperspace.
And of course, that's far beyond anything that we could do at the present time.
So I would first start with Visions, because it starts with the year 2020 and then works its way up to 2100.
And I've interviewed 150 of the world's top scientists for that book.
That book is the most authoritative, the most scientifically valid understanding of the next century by 150 interviews with the scientists who are inventing the future.
These are the people inventing the future in their laboratories, and this is their story presented in the book Visions.
150 scientists were interviewed for the book Visions.
And the book then takes you 20, 50, 100 years into the future with regards to medicine, space travel, quantum physics, robots, artificial intelligence, and talks about what life would look like in the future, as told to me by the scientists who are inventing the computers, inventing the robots, inventing the DNA therapies that will change our lifestyle.
So it's the most scientifically authoritative account of the next 100 years.
Now, of course, we're not going to know for 100 years whether all of this comes true or part of it comes true or actually it understates what's going to occur in that time.
They did that, as you know, years ago at the World's Fair and none of it or very little of it came true.
What do you think about this as compared to that?
Why would we be right now when we were wrong then?
See, the problem is that when we hear about these predictions on the Jetsons, they're always done by science fiction writers who are well-meaning and fiction writers, not the scientists themselves.
That's the difference with my book, Visions.
My book, Visions, is based on interviews with 150 of the world's top scientists.
These are Nobel laureates.
These are directors of the major laboratories.
And this book is their understanding of how their inventions are going to ripple through society and turn our lives upside down.
So in the past, science fiction writers dominated the field.
Now, real scientists are beginning to make the most learned, most authentic predictions of the future of technology.
And that's what the book Vision is.
And that's why it's an international bestseller.
Like I said, the Sunday London Times serialized the book in Paris, the main weekly, had a two-page spread devoted to the book Visions.
And it created quite a storm in Germany as editorial writers debated what was in the book because of the fact that the German people feel they're being left behind by all these inventions that are created in the United States.
Well, I was going to say, Doctor, though, we might not do that in cyberspace, meet our spiritual selves.
What about as we move to a type 2 or a type 3, if we make it, odds are fairly small, but if we make it, will we eventually either meet God or realize we are God?
Well, I think even within the next century, we'll have powers usually reserved to a Greek god.
Greek gods, as you know, were able to animate the inanimate.
They were able to create life in their image in Greek mythology.
We'll have that capability within 50 to 100 years of being able to animate inanimate objects and extend the lifespan of living things and create life forms that never walked the surface of the earth before.
The question is, do we have the wisdom of Solomon to go with this tremendous power?
And this is where spirituality and a sense of oneness with the universe comes from.
I'm not talking about, you know, psycho-babble and touchy-feely new age stuff.
I'm talking about something very practical.
These are enormously powerful inventions we're talking about.
We're talking about being able to recreate life forms in a test tube that never walked the surface of the earth before.
Within 20 years, it will be possible to create designer children.
And when we can create children in our own image, this could create havoc because every parent will want a monkey with the genes of their children.
And that's why we have to be able to democratically decide which way the human race wants to go with this technology.
We'll be able to create designer children and eliminate disease, which I'm all for, but somebody is going to want to tinker with their kids to make them prettier, to have them with enhanced musical ability and different kinds of abilities to do well in college.
And I think that could create a very bad skewing of the human race as every parent begins to mess with the characteristics of their children.
Yeah, well, I would worry more about ultimately not so much the fact that we cannot stop the Internet, but perhaps that eventually the Internet will be in charge of us.
And in the future, we'll gradually start to put some intelligence on the Internet.
These are called intelligent agents.
And we'll gradually begin to put intelligent agents on the Internet that will act like our butler, act like our personal secretary.
but the internet itself will have no collective intelligence.
It'll just be a highway for us to use.
The real intelligence will be intelligent agents that become our secretaries, our personal assistants, that tell us when the stock market is going up and down, even as it goes up and down.
We'll have these intelligent agents probably within 10 to 15 years.
So I think that, again, in the 21st century, we'll gradually have the power of a God, but we're going to have to have the wisdom to exercise this power so that we don't mess with our genes too much and that we don't invade people's privacy, but that we unleash people's initiatives and make them healthier, make them more vigorous, make them happier, more prosperous.
But the one thing that's really sort of scary to me is the thought of these roving black holes.
And something that just popped in my mind, it's a real curiosity, is what should happen if one of these wandering black holes should run into a stationary black hole?
However, these wandering black holes are kind of scary because you would have no warning.
It's like, again, the invisible predator in the movie Predator, they're invisible.
And you would not have much warning if one of these things got very close to you.
The only warning you would really have is the distortion of starlight and the fact that planets are beginning to wobble in their orbits around the sun.
And also, as far as Michio, with your visions, you did the special here on BAI, and everything I was hearing you say with the scientists, you know, there is a man who has somehow not been noticed too much, and I think he gives a lot of inspiration, a lot of hope for dealing with all these questions of power and so on down the road.
And there's a man named Edgar Casey, and everything I've heard you say about the cologne's and mixing people being able to do things with animals, where Pego flying six more years, he talked all about these things many years ago before this got really big.
I mean, he died in 1945, but he predicted World War I, World War II, the Dead Sea Scrolls, what they'll say.
He had Nikola Tesla going to him, Thomas Edison.
But most importantly, he said for dealing with these coming times where power and wisdom very really go together, as Einstein said, individually for everybody listening, he did recommend highly that everybody has a place inside them that will help them to navigate these waters if they were to take care of their body, which he saw as a temple.
Michio was talking about in the future, you know, maybe we'll get the wisdom gene or something, but here's a man within our midst who showed that we have these innate abilities.
And he only had an eighth grade education, and he was the most documented spiritual psychic we have in America.
Well, first of all, I'm a physicist, not a psychic.
So I don't want to go beyond the boundaries of my scientific expertise.
So in my book, Visions, I took the most conservative course to simply interview the 150 of the world's top scientists who are building the Internet, building the DNA technology, building the spacecraft which will propel us into the 21st century.
Now when I was a child, however, I did read Edgar Casey, and I read Master Damas.
In fact, I used to spend weeks at a time at the library reading all the psychics and mystics about the future.
And one thing, though, I did notice reading and spending so many hours in the library was that there was a certain vagueness about some of their predictions.
Now, that didn't mean their predictions were wrong.
It just meant that Master Damas' quatrains were on the vague side, so it was hard to understand exactly what he was saying.
And that's one reason why I became a scientist, because I wanted to fill in the dots.
I wanted to be as precise as possible about what we might be able to see in the future by visiting the laboratories, by looking at the therapies, by looking at the devices which will propel us into the next century.
And things that are not reproducible, we scientists are rather helpless.
For example, if the Big Bang only occurred once, said David Hume, the great philosopher, then how would scientists make any rational statements about it because it's not a reproducible event?
Yeah, well what we try to do is we try to recreate, like a detective, a detective story based on a crime, and the crime happens only once, it's not reproducible, and we try to fill in the gaps.
And that is where science is at its weakest.
Science is at its strength when we have reproducible results.
When we take a gas, we take a rock, we can pulverize it, analyze it, heat it up again and again and again.
The laws of physics don't change in Russia.
They don't change in the United States.
And that's how we know so much about materials.
But when we look at crimes and when we look at the Big Bang and things that happened once, then we're a little bit at a loss because we can't play with it.
We have to reconstruct the scene of the crime.
We have to infer and use indirect evidence to sort of piece things together.
And when it comes to prophecies and when it comes to spirituality and religion, this is where we're also a little bit at a loss because it's hard to capture an angel in a laboratory.
We can't study an angel in a laboratory.
That doesn't mean that angels don't exist.
It just means that we're at a loss because we don't have the data available to us reproducible on demand, you see?
So science has limits, and the limits of science is basically what is reproducible.
And this is where predictions of the future, we're a little bit at a loss because, well, there are some scientists who think that perhaps there could be something called precognition.
But the thing is, you can't bottle it.
You can't put it in a laboratory and measure it on demand.
In other words, if I had a psychic who could tell me tomorrow's events in detail, like tomorrow's headlines, the headlines of next week, letter for letter, word for word, then I'd be convinced.
But it's difficult to do that because that would be a reproducible event.
Well, a type 1 civilization, by definition, could control or manipulate the weather because they control planetary forces.
But we are maybe 100 years away from attaining type 1 status.
You can just do the math on a sheet of paper.
We don't have the energy output to do that, which means that we're going to be at the mercy, we're going to be at the mercy of a lot of climate change into the next decade without the ability to change it.
For example, the CIA tried to seed the clouds over Vietnam during the Vietnam War to enhance the monsoon season and to play with the weather to knock out the guerrillas there.
And that's where this idea came, that you can tweak the weather by putting crystals, ice crystals, high in the atmosphere to set off the monsoon season.
But is it not possible that, I mean, you can also tweak the tail of a tiger, and the tiger might not notice, or it might turn around and take a big hunk out of you.
And with the weather, again, we can probably tweak thunderstorms, and that's where the Pentagon is very much interested in this, because thunderstorms can influence the outcome of a battle, for example.
What do you actually think the odds are of our moving to these other sources of energy before the last of the oil, commercially viable, is brought from the ground?
And that means that within 20, 30 years, we're going to see a dramatic increase in the price of oil as the price to reclaim oil starts to skyrocket.
At that point, there's going to be a massive disruption of industry.
That's why I say that we should gradually begin to wean ourselves away from the internal combustion engine now so that 20, 30 years down the line, we don't have this massive disruption as we have fuel prices beginning to soar through the roof.
And that's why I think that we have to gradually make the transition to the fuel cell car, the electric car, wind power, solar power for self-interest, because we are going to have a disruption as we gradually run out of oil.
But the problem is we have these massive mega-corporations that are retrieving, distributing the oil, and they have the gold, and those people who have the gold rule.
Which means that we will probably face a catastrophic planetary crisis before the governments of the world wake up and say to themselves, oh my God, I didn't realize it was that bad.
So we're going to play it very close to the edge.
Humanity has always lived very close to the edge.
Humanity as a whole never moves unless they see crisis staring at them in the face.
And that's what's going to happen.
What's going to happen is we're going to see massive disruptions of the weather.
We're gradually going to be running out of oil.
We'll face huge rises in prices as oil starts to rise.
Coastal cities will gradually be inundated by gigantic storms.
At that point, we're going to be staring, staring doomsday in the face.
And at that point, perhaps humanity will say, okay, enough is enough.
We've got to make the transition for pure self-interest.
So I think it's going to become very close.
And that's the way humanity has historically dealt with crises.
We never move unless we have to, and it's going to become very close.
It's going to be a race against time, in fact, I think, over the next several decades.
The next two decades, I think, are going to be extremely important because the groundwork will be set.
And the question is, will we cross the point of no return?
That is the big question mark.
If we cross the point of no return, then perhaps nothing we do can reverse some of these effects.
Yeah, things about the black hole and the weather I was going to say about.
It's strange.
I don't know.
You're the first person I've ever listened to that actually talks about the same sort of things I talk about.
It's weird to explain things in physics to people and stuff.
It's funny.
One person asked me about UFOs, and I said, we're no more going to notice UFOs because if they were here in front of us, they'd be so advanced it'd be like a dog trying to identify a plane flying over.
And it's basically the same thing.
It could even be here and we're not even seeing them yet.
When I was growing up as a kid, when I was in fourth grade, I used to separate myself from the kids and I'd sit there and I'd look at the sky and one star you'd see and the teachers wonder what I was doing.
And I'd tell them, I'd tell the stars, you know, we don't really see those that, you know, light.
Somehow I don't know how I knew this when I was a kid about light speed and I said they're not there.
You know, the dinosaurs would have seen this.
And I used to let some other side of the courtyard and pay handball and I'd actually notice there's a time delayation before my visual.
I'd see the ball hit the wall and say there's a time thing here.
And then I'd sit there and I noticed the weather in the 70s when it first changed.
And when I did that, somebody from my school, they flew somebody halfway across the United States to talk to me, asked me about that.
When I told the teacher, there's something wrong with the weather.
That was really strange.
What I did is I was out playing.
I was in fourth grade, and I went underneath a tree, and I took the teacher, I said, come over here, look at this.
I'm under a tree.
Last summer, it was warm under the tree, and it was sunny in the sunlight.
And I said, now it's cold.
It's like 10 degrees different.
So underneath this tree, it's actually literally cold in the shade rather than just warm.
I said, there's something wrong with the weather.
And after that, some lady, she said, I flew all the way across the U.S. to talk to you.
You know, all of us scientists, when we were 10, 11, 12 years old, we had that sense of wonder.
We had that epiphany looking at the universe and realizing that the earth was nothing but a small pebble in the sky.
And we had that existential shock when we saw all the stars in the heavens and we began to understand our place in the universe.
But then when we began to learn the nomenclature, the mathematics, the shop talk, the jargon, it's more convenient to talk that way.
It's much easier for me to talk in equations.
When I talk to another physicist, we talk in blocks of equations.
We use certain words to represent blocks of mathematical structures.
And it's very convenient to talk that way.
And so when an outsider listens in to us physicists talking about superstring theory in the 10th dimension, they think that we're nuts, absolutely nuts, because we're using English words that have no meaning put together when we talk about hyperspace.
And so we've lost that sense of wonder.
We've lost that sense of childlike attachment to that first moment of epiphany when we looked at the sky and realized that we're part of a bigger universe, which is kind of a shame, you know.
But now, you know, now that the Cold War is over, we scientists have to sing for our supper because Congress has been cutting our budget.
True.
And it means that unless we can convince the American people to fund our machines, we're not going to have machines anymore.
And therefore, scientists do have to jump into the public arena.
We do have to make public statements.
Or else, Congress will continue to cut our budgets.
And it's sad because, you know, science is the seed corn of prosperity.
We're eating our seed corn.
We're eating our future if we cut the science budget.
In fact, that's one of the reasons why the United States is the preeminent scientific power in the world today, because money has been spent on science during the Cold War.
But now that the Cold War is over, there is a question mark as to whether we can sustain that scientific superiority, because other nations, of course, they have scientists too.
And there's going to be a competition.
And that's why we have to make sure that science is kept vibrant and funded and alive in this country, or else we're not going to have the prosperity that we're accustomed to.
Well, that's a minor problem compared to the scientists that constructed the nuclear devices for Russia right now who are trying to figure out how to feed their families.
I think that it would be a very tempting offer if somebody had oil money and were to offer it to these starving bomb scientists in Russia and were to outfit them with pop-weight laboratories, assistance, multi-million dollar budget only move to a poor country.