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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Politics, J. Edgar Hoover, and Aliens - Jack Anderson

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours, and there's a lot of it to be across.
		From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains out west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, and north all the way to the Pole.
		This is Coast A.M., and I'm Art Bell.
		Great to be here.
		It's going to be a very, very interesting night.
		An American legend is going to be here in the next hour.
		Columnist Jack Anderson.
		And I'm really, really, really looking forward to that interview.
		His new book, Peace, War, and Politics, is going to be a winner.
		I'm going to read a little bit of the introduction to it just before he comes on.
		And then I'll give you some idea of the magnitude of the interview you're about to hear.
		We had really big fights with J. Edgar Hoover and people in the Nixon administration.
		Those were some pretty wild times.
unidentified		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jack Anderson, next hour.
		Boydo, I have a lot of news for you, and most of it not being reported by any of the major media.
		That's not wholly true, but this story has been buried.
		We'll get to that in a moment about Great Britain.
		But first, kind of an extension of what we did last night.
		The sprint report that we found on a government website.
		The sprint report outlining the failure in telephone communications in my community.
		And according to what we have here, not just here, but a little part of Las Vegas, apparently, and military base area 51.
		It says it right on the form.
		And people were calling me last night saying, oh, it's got to be a hoax.
		Wrong.
		It's on a U.S. government site.
		We've got a link to it on my website.
		If you want to go check it out yourself, it's in PDF format on the government site.
		And if you can decode from PDF, then you will have it.
		Otherwise, for the rest of you, we have put the report up in a legible form.
		But earlier today.
		I called Sprint, one of the listed numbers, and I spoke to an apparently high-level technical official there.
		And I asked him, I said, you know, I said, cause of incident, circuit breaker was turned off.
		Now, it doesn't say tripped.
		It says turned off.
		And that caught my attention first, you know, right away.
		And he said, well, whoever made out the report here must have misspoken.
		And he meant tripped, because turned off, oh, that's an intentional human action, right?
		A circuit breaker, as you know, trips into a middle position.
		That's tripped.
		Turned off is all the way down, as in off, you know, off, off, off.
		But this one, this one was, it says turned off, and the gentleman I spoke to suggested that that was simply a slip-o-de-lip.
		Then we get to the geographic area affected, and I said Las Vegas, Peromban, military base area 51.
		And I said, why did he write that on there?
		He said, I think we had no idea this was going to end up on a government site.
		He said, we've been taking an awful lot of calls on this, and I chose not to further identify myself at that point.
		He probably isn't real happy with me.
		Damnedest thing, there it is on a government site, military base, Area 51, the one the government officially says doesn't even exist.
		It's on one of their own sites.
		Now, that shows you how our government does things, huh?
		Anyway, my phones, I guess, are tied up with those phones at Area 51.
		Now, that's something to contemplate, and I've been contemplating that.
		Very, very, very, very interesting, this whole story, and it's still on the government site.
		They didn't bring it down today.
		I kind of thought there would be a redacted version, but I guess, you know, it's so public now they can't do it.
		It was so cool we caught that.
		All right, now.
		This is not being reported.
		Essentially, I haven't seen, I've been watching CNN and CNN headline news.
		I don't know what the networks did.
		We have a news section on our website.
		Oh, I guess I ought to tell you about that.
		A news section on my website.
		And it's going to have something to do with Y2K failures.
		As they are reported, we are going to put the reports of them, what ones we get, on the website.
		I'll tell you about it as soon as the page gets to load here.
		The headline of this one is, Y2K bug triggers credit card snafu.
		Now, this was reported earlier.
		I talked to a good friend of mine at the Intel Corporation earlier today.
		He said, hey, hey, Art, did you hear that all the ATM machines in Britain failed today?
		And I said, what?
		He said, yeah, I heard it on CBS News, he said, radio news.
		All right, now I can look.
		Let's take a quick look here.
		It's in the newest site editions, and it's simply going to be entitled, well, no, wait a minute.
		Maybe it isn't there.
		Oh, no, here it is.
		Ongoing activities, just below that.
	Entitled Y2K Problems and News Reports.
	We will keep a running list of news reports of Y2K-related glitches on our related links page.
	Check the above link to view them.
	So as we get these, we're going to put them up for you.
	And the first candidate just arrived.
	You know, one person hearing a report and passing it on is not enough.
	So I began calling friends.
	And I've got friends who used to live in Britain and they did some checking.
	They said, no, I've been listening to the BBC and there hasn't been a thing.
	You know, he listened to a whole newscast on BBC and wasn't there.
	But here it is.
	My wife found it on the computer for me just before airtime.
	Thank you, Han.
	It is the Associated Press by Caroline Byrne.
	And it says, in part, a Y2K triggered failure in credit card swipe machines causing frustrating delays for thousands of retailers and customers trying to ring up purchases all across Britain on Wednesday.
	The machines manufactured by RaCal, that's R-A-C-A-L electronics and supplied by HSBC, whatever that is, one of Britain's largest four banks, improperly rejected credit cards because of a failure, listen now, because of a failure to recognize the year 2000, said a bank's spokesperson.
	The Y2 glitch appeared to be the most serious to come to light in the days leading up to the new century.
	Retailers claimed they have lost, as a result, $5 million in sales so far due to the problem, and are reportedly getting this, threatening to bring a class action lawsuit against the bank.
	Linda Stryker, public relations exec for HSBC here in the U.S., said the error should not hit any U.S. credit card swiping machines.
	She said it was specific to software machines in Britain.
	Now that's interesting, isn't it?
	Now, what do we have here?
	There's a U.S. branch, and they were absolutely sure at talking to the AP that it wouldn't happen to any of the machines here in the U.S. None of you would have any problem.
	But wouldn't...
	How could she know that so quickly unless she knew it beforehand?
	Maybe they had somebody really quickly go into the code for the software used in Britain compared to the U.S. and, you know, came up with that answer that way.
	I don't know.
	But when people start making such sure statements like this on the heels of a massive failure, and that is a massive failure in Great Britain, you've got to wonder a little bit.
	So it looks to me like we're going to have an awful lot of coverage of Y2K.
	Certainly everybody in the world is.
	All of the networks, as far as I can see, including CNN and CNN headline news and so forth and so on, all plan to have correspondence all around the world, beginning with an island in the Pacific at 1.30 in the morning, my time, on tomorrow night's show.
	Probably not getting particularly meaningful until midnight arrives in Australia and then later Europe.
	By the time I get on the air Friday evening, we will be two hours from the magic moment on the East Coast.
	So we're going to be reporting to you as things occur.
	Now, you might ask yourself, why would this massive bank failure in Britain occur this many days before Y2K?
	I mean, it's not time yet, right?
	Well, it might have something to do with something in the software system which I suppose relates to money totals after the first of the year, you know, as people were withdrawing, and I'm only guessing here, but, you know, something like that.
	And it simply did not show up until now.
	Now, you can consider this in one of two ways, an isolated pre-incident, which they're not really reporting.
	An isolated pre-incident.
	I like that phrase.
	Or, you know, that's completely anomalous and it has no bearing on what's going to happen when midnight comes and especially the first business day back for everybody after Y2K.
	But I'm telling you right now, a lot of businesses, we don't know how many, but a lot are going to not be able to properly operate after New Year's.
	Their computer systems are going to be down.
	It's as simple as that.
	How many?
	Aha ha.
	That's the $64, well, million dollars wouldn't do it.
	Maybe it's the $64 billion question.
	You know, if it really gets serious, I guess it would go up into the billions, right?
	So we are going to keep you informed right here.
	That which others are not telling you, we will try and tell you here.
	I've got more.
	Well, I go through this big pitch to advertise the greatest radio in the world, every word of it true, and then I say the secret, and I don't give out the phone number.
	That's really brilliant, huh?
	Forget to give out the phone number.
	If you want this greatest radio in the world, and it is call in the morning, beginning at 6.30 Pacific Time.
	1-800-522-8863.
	That's 1-800-522-8863.
	So much news, so little time.
	The various airlines are saying that they're going to cut back anywhere between, it looks like about 15 and 35, 34, 35% on the number of flights on New Year's Eve.
	They say because not enough people are flying.
	Do I buy that?
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	Not fully.
	In other words, do I think some of it is Y2K related?
	And I also don't, you know, it may be true generally that people don't fly at the New Year.
	That's what they're saying.
	I'm not sure whether that is true or not.
	I don't recall hearing it before because in Las Vegas, normally at the New Year's, you absolutely cannot get an airplane to Las Vegas.
	And if you want to get a room, lots of luck.
	But I'll tell you what I'm hearing.
	And it's not just about Las Vegas, but the following is true in Las Vegas.
	They were talking about 800,000 people going to Las Vegas.
	800,000 is what they expected.
	And that was a figure bandied about for the longest time.
	You know, big celebration.
	Well, now they are drastically revising downward the number of people they think are going to show up in Las Vegas to greet the new millennium.
	As they are revising downward numbers all across the nation, turns out people want to stay home.
	Now, what do you think it is people might sense that has them all staying home?
	well they're just family types right I don't know.
	We're going to have to sift through somehow if we can do it, the propaganda and the reality as the reports come in.
	And there's black, there's going to be a lot to sort through.
	You should see all the stuff people are sending me about suddenly worry about telephone systems being out.
	Telephone companies talking about mission failures, the possibility of mission failures.
	Now, what does a mission failure mean?
	Well, in the military you have a mission, and you get that in orders, an objective, something you are to do, or a place you are to go, or whatever.
	That's a mission.
	I mean, it's a basic thing.
	It's like secreting companies all's radios, right?
	It is their mission.
	And they could write up a mission statement.
	So that's what a mission is, my friend.
	And if your mission fails, then your main reason for existing in the world is failing.
	Now, again, I'm not, mind you, saying that that's going to be the case.
	That there is going to be that kind of failure with phone systems, but they are suggesting now it is at the very least possible.
	So, and then people out buying a lot of water and doing all the things they should have been doing a long time ago.
	A lot of that going on now, too.
	And I guess that kind of sums up the beginning.
	Is it the beginning of just a few glitches or could it be the beginning of the end?
unidentified		The End You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from December
		29, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		You're listening to Archbishop somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning, I realize I'm subjecting you to my hang-ups.
unidentified		I'm hung up on this song, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I was recording all the music I was going to play leading up to the millennium, this was a song that just came out of left field that I had never heard before, and I don't know why, but I had never heard it, and so it hit me like a new song, and I just fell in love with it.
		So I play it until my ears bleed.
		I'm that way about songs again and again, and the more the better, you know, until somehow you rid yourself of the bug that has been planted.
		I guess I better not talk about bugs, huh?
		In your brain.
		Whatever it is that's planted in your brain that makes you listen to it again and again.
		That would be worth a whole show one day.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the phone companies, plural, we now have many since the breakup of Ma Bell.
		Bless her memory.
		Boy, I miss Ma Bell.
		Anyway, the phone companies, some of them, are now suggesting they may have a problem, and they're worried about everybody, all of you out there, picking up the telephone at the same time right at midnight.
		And they say if everybody picks it up, well, they can't handle it.
		And so maybe you won't get a dial tone or, you know, whatever.
		Then in some cases, I'm getting stories here about various phone companies that aren't so sure they're going to be around.
		One in Missouri here.
		Here's an article entitled, Don't Call.
		Don't Call Missouri after December 31st, 1999.
		We probably won't answer.
		And it's somebody, Richard, in Marshfield, Missouri, who did a little research in his area on how Y2K may affect him.
		And he says, it doesn't look so good for the phone system there and probably the electric system.
		And gives me a couple of references.
		A check, he says, on Missouri's Y2K website found that telecommunications are likely to fail on New Year's Eve.
		Maybe we'll get that up.
		Maybe we'll get that link up.
		A similar check of the public utilities webpage shows that out of 1,200 electric providers in Missouri, only 657 have responded to a survey sent out by the Public Service Commission.
		Survey.
		Are you ready?
		Well, we're not answering.
		It's up to us, I imagine, to imagine, try and imagine what that means that they're not answering the survey.
		Could well be the CEO just said, hell, we're ready.
		Throw that away.
		Not answer the survey.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a feeling we're all about to find out.
		I went on a search for Big Ben.
		I had to have a sound of Big Ben.
		Everything less than Big Ben sounds like child's play.
		There's a thing about Big Ben.
		There's nothing like Big Ben in the world.
		And so I went on a search for Big Ben.
		My network in Oregon searched.
		The network in Los Angeles searched.
		Nobody had Big Ben.
		I said, oh, man, they came up with a bunch of bells that sounded like your grandmother's clock.
		And they did as, you know, they looked.
		They came up with about four or five choices.
		All of them were either grandma's clock or something a little short of.
		And they try as they might, they couldn't find Big Ben.
		So I looked up Big Ben on the web.
		And I found Big Ben on the web.
		I just went to a search engine and I entered Big Ben Sound.
		And I found it.
		So I signed it up to them.
		And they put it together from being one gong to being a nice dramatic series of gongs that I thought I would use on a New Year's Eve.
		And I will use it.
		I mean, you've got to admit, that's a gong, right?
		It's not your grandmother's clock.
		That's a real gotcha gong.
		I mean, listen to that sucker reverberate.
		It just keeps going.
		That's Big Ben.
		There's no other sound like that.
		Now, in preparing that, the network made a second version, which I don't think they meant to have it aired.
		And I certainly would not air it on New Year's Eve because it would freak people out.
		But I'm going to play it for you now.
		The following, what you are about to hear in no way represents reality of any kind.
		Do you hear me?
		This is an announcement.
		This is a disclaimer.
		What you are about to hear represents no reality at all other than that in the mind of the technician up in Medford, Oregon, who put it together.
		But I really couldn't resist playing it for you.
		So I'm going to.
		This does not reflect reality.
		Just comes out of the mind of a technician.
		Listen carefully.
		Very carefully, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a few added little goodies here.
unidentified		I think that's a machine gun you're hearing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe looting?
		I thought that was looting there.
		Sounds like artillery.
		Oh, my God, what was that?
		F-16, maybe?
		Explosions.
unidentified		An alarm going off?
unidentified		Definite machine gun fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lasers?
		Unstun, I hope.
		And then the melting, the melting of the chips.
		Final sound is the melting of chips.
		So that's what they put together at the network.
		And I wouldn't dare play that on New Year's Eve.
		But I thought, the fine player for you anyway.
		That's the only way it's ever going to hit air.
		But it was funny.
		Straight out of the mind of a technician.
		All right, let's go to the phones.
		Jack Anderson here at the top of the hour.
		What's to the Rockies?
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's Fritz.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		It sounds like the aliens are landing.
		Anyhow, in December, you know, every time you hear the staff Battlehamp, there's a discussion going on.
		Articles are written.
		Of course, mainstream science always try to explain it away.
		They're looking way out in the cosmos and yet the answer is right in the backyard.
		But screaming and kicking, we're going to get him in.
		But you heard the scenario that a thousand times they said, why don't they land on a White House now, right?
		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been giving that some thought, Fritz, but go ahead.
unidentified		Why don't they fly over the Super Bowl or hover over the Super Bowl?
		But my inversion and my speculation is it won't happen that way.
		They're going to go to the cradle of civilization, the Middle East, and the star of Bethlehem.
		The scenario will be repeated.
		It's like a wake-up call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you think they won't land and be taken directly to Saddam Hussein?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm serious now.
		You said the cradle.
		That is the cradle of civilization.
unidentified		Well, that's the civilized spot is Bethlehem, Jerusalem, that area.
unidentified		Well, that's a civilized center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a critical site.
		That's a Christian center.
		But a lot of people argue that Saddam's homeland is really the center, the cradle of civilization.
unidentified		But when the scenario should replay, and I hope it will, there will be so much attention given.
		All the jets will fly around the Israeli jets.
		Imagine the star of Bethlehem reappearing in the same spot like 2,000 years ago and shining a light down.
		I mean, nobody be thinking about it shooting at it because it's a symbolism of the whole cradle of civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fritz, my friend, you've got a great heart.
unidentified		Well, that's my civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know you've got a great heart, but it wouldn't work out that way, Fritz.
unidentified		It's a wake-up call.
		That doesn't mean they're going to land.
		It's just as simple.
		It's just spoon-feeding again because it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a story, listen, Fritz, I appreciated earlier today about one hunter who killed another while I was trying to kill a deer.
		That was just a mistake.
		If aliens landed, first of all, obviously, why land at the White House, right?
		Can you imagine if the aliens landed in Baghdad?
		They'd be taken to Saddam Hussein underground somewhere, and he'd say, boy, have I got a deal for you.
		Now, Fritz has a good heart, but most people would view them as enemies if they landed here for sure.
		And the lead would fly.
		I've said it a million times.
		A little gray or green guy walking down the ramp wouldn't last 10 seconds.
		He'd weigh more in lead than he did in alien body herbs or whatever unit of measurement they have.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Let me extinguish my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like an alert caller.
unidentified		Yeah, Aloha Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		From Maui?
		Maui.
		Ah.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paradise, Maui, paradise.
unidentified		Ah, yes.
		The islands.
		We love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Endless, endless paradise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every day, temperatures the same.
unidentified		I can't take it!
		We've got to tell Fritz that they're going to land in Haleakala Crater.
		When I'm camping, I'll come out in my skivvies, and they'll be standing there taking pictures of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that'll blow it for the human race, won't it?
unidentified		Well, it'll blow it for me anyway.
unidentified		I'll probably lose it right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These people, all of them, deserve to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rise and push the buttons.
unidentified		You had a repeat of a guest on two nights ago.
unidentified		I think it was the gentleman who spoke at one point where the nuclear strikes would first hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I was sitting here listening, and it was a replay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably Joel Skelson.
unidentified		Yes, that was him.
		And I think the second place that he mentioned was Maui because of the supercomputer and the tracking station.
		And that really made my night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on Maui, just out of curiosity, when the nuclear missiles are coming, where does one go?
unidentified		One goes straight to the beach and immediately assumes the lounge position.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you, Call, sir.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Aloha, and have a great New Year's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very same to you.
		That's right.
		Maui.
		I lived for a period of time on Maui, and it is truly paradise.
		I mean, it's the most beautiful place with exotic flowers everywhere and perfect temperatures and white beaches.
		That's what I was there.
		But you know what?
		I found that after about six months, that's how long I was there, exotic flowers and beautiful beaches.
		Now, This was before Maui had built up a lot.
		It's built up a lot since.
		And after a while, you couldn't take it anymore.
		One more beautiful beach day and I'll throw up.
		It's for some people, but every day, just paradise.
		It's actually something that a lot of human beings can't take.
		They gotta have a little misery, a little snow.
		Madeline's out of a northerner.
		Come in.
		Kick the heck out of us.
		Now that's weather.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Kurt in Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kurt.
unidentified		How you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Fantastic.
		I've got a little bit of quickening news for you from the East Coast and a truck driver's story.
		Okay.
		Real quick.
		First, the quickening news.
		I've been noticing the gentleman you have on the air that talks about the contrails and the chemtrails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I've been noticing a lot of bright green, neon green and neon purple in the clouds around contrails when the sun hits them just right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's nothing you'd want.
unidentified		No, that doesn't sound very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think it is?
unidentified		Well, I'm not a chemist or anything, but I do know enough to know that there's some kind of, if you put fire to copper, it makes green and so forth.
		So there must be something there with the light with some kind of a chemical.
		That would be my guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sure is what a lot of people suspect.
		And I'll tell you this.
		There's a lot of other people out there, and I'm not sure there's any cause for this, who connect the always annual flu outbreak, which we're right in the middle of right now, big time, to the spraying.
		Well, I don't think I buy that.
		We have a flu outbreak every year.
unidentified		Well, this has been very noticeable up and down the I-95 corridor in most of the states.
		And also, I delivered a load of electrical test equipment to a certain power company.
		I guess it will remain nameless.
		The lady in the main office I know very well as a friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me, you delivered a load of what?
unidentified		Power test equipment that they used to test the big pole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Right.
		But the lady in the office, I was talking to her, and there was another lady that I didn't know that was like a temporary employee, and I asked her what the deal was.
		She said, well, she's been here for the last six months working on Y2K stuff.
		And I said, well, what do y'all think about this Y2K thing?
		And I was in an office of about 20 people with open cubicles.
		And it was just like the E.F. Hutton commercial.
		When E.F. Hutton speaks, everyone listens.
		Even the birds quit singing on the commercial.
		Basically the atmosphere in the room for a good solid 10 seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean everybody in the room heard it?
unidentified		Everybody in the room heard me ask the question, and then everybody ceased what they were doing the girl's answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer was.
unidentified		And the answer was, which was the best answer I've had to date about Y2K, and it's something I agree very much with.
		And that is, anybody tries to tell you it's definitely not going to be anything at all is wrong.
		Anybody that tries to say it's going to be the end of the world is probably wrong, too.
		It's somewhere in the middle.
		And nobody knows for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's my take on it, too.
		I have no idea what's going to happen.
		Now, this, I'm calling it a precursor event in Great Britain that got vastly underreported is, I think, a kind of an interesting indicator, don't you?
unidentified		Most definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This early?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
unidentified		And, you know, I'm just...
		So if we go back to the colonial days, more power to us.
		I think it's something...
		I think the people that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I have so many high-tech toys that I enjoy playing that if this happens, life is, it's over for me.
unidentified		Well, we live in the country.
		We're pretty basic here at the house.
		And we always have been.
		We live off the farm, off the farm animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, you're going to do fine.
		Me, I'm doomed.
		I'm telling you.
		I've got satellite gear.
		I've got weather satellite gear.
		I've got everything you can imagine, you know, toys that you could want to have if you're into electronics.
		And every one of them are no doubt threatened.
		It would be the end of life as I know it.
unidentified		Well, the one thing I couldn't hardly stand would be now I wouldn't be able to watch the real-time video of you doing your thing there at the station, at the house.
		I wouldn't be able to see that, I guess, without pedaling the generator a little bit.
		Or turning the crank, as you say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, boy, I tell you, I've got some interesting news for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
		The video that you're watching, that will in fact end, I'm led to understood, at midnight on December 31st.
		In other words, two days from now, it's all over.
unidentified		So we'll get to see a little bit of it.
		Well, Gordon won't be live.
		He'll be on the phone, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He'll be on the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, my wife and I will both definitely be listening to the whole show that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And also one other thing, Art, I'm in the process of putting together, writing my own book.
		I've had 18 years over the road tractor trailer experience.
		What are you going to call it?
		Well, the title's up in the air right now.
		I've already, I've got a couple different beginnings, a couple of different endings, and I'm working on the middle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about on the road again?
unidentified		That would be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got to go.
unidentified		I got to go.
		Well, great.
		Thanks a lot, Art, and keep up the great work.
		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jack Anderson coming right up.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		In the ocean dock, and the birds on you.
		And the birds on you.
		In the ocean dock, and the birds on you.
		In the ocean dock, and the birds on you.
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		Tonight's program originally aired December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're about to meet a legend.
		Jack Anderson, columnist Jack Anderson, is here.
		And this is going to be a really, really, really interesting night.
		Somebody in the Reagan administration conducted a survey, and they were asking about the credibility and trustworthiness of journalists.
		And in that survey, Jack Anderson came out just ahead of Walter Cronkite.
		Really, really trusted.
		Not exactly loved by everybody, but trusted.
		See what a few people have said.
		J. Edgar Hoover said, Jack Anderson is lower than the regurgitated filth of vultures.
		Geez, I've worried about the press I've had.
		The regurgitated filth of vultures.
		Ooh, from the FBI director.
		New York Times said few reporters ever go from writing news to being news, and certainly no reporter has made the passage more conspicuously than Jack Anderson.
		Newsweek said Jack Anderson has mercilessly catapulted half a dozen national figures to their ruin.
		Time Magazine said no laws have been passed or policies change because of Jack Anderson's columns, but a number of former incumbents are now retired because of him.
		And he's spread a not unhealthy apprehension throughout Washington.
		George Bush said sometimes I'd get furious with him.
		It was a strange thing.
		We had a very pleasant personal relationship.
		I think Jack was very much misunderstood because of the power of his inquiry.
		And it goes on and on and on.
		Bob Woodward, the Washington Post said Anderson, was frequently a target of White House efforts to discredit him and to locate his sources, according to information made public during the various Watergate investigations.
		And of course, during one poignant moment in the Watergate investigations, Jack thought he was going to be the actual target of assassination for his reporting.
		So he is a legend, and he'll be here in a moment.
		The End Jack Anderson has been writing for the column Washington Merry-Go-Round since 1947.
		In 1973, he won a Pulitzer Prize for exposing Richard Nixon's lies about the U.S. tilt in the India-Pakistan war.
		His columns were syndicated by a thousand newspapers nationwide.
		He had a national talk radio program, and on and on and on and on.
		He's a legend, really.
		He's old enough that he has become a legend in his own time.
		That's pretty unusual, Jack.
		Legend in your own time.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I listened to the build-up with grateful embarrassment, and I've heard just as terrible things about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Yes, it's a strange thing being in the public light with things that are said about you and people that come after you and stuff like that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		You step on the toes of a man like J. Edgar Hoover.
		Yes.
		And at the time that I trampled on his toes, he was God.
		He was deity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I heard.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was not human.
		He was the most powerful person in Washington.
		I was flying with Hale Boggs.
		He was then the Democratic House leader.
		And we were just sharing seats on an airplane, and he mentioned, we got on the subject of Uber, and he said Hoover has so much in his files on everybody that no one dares to criticize it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds a true story.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And when I got back to the office from that flight, I called my staff together and I said, I understand that if we write anything derogatory about J. Edger Hoover, we'll be destroyed.
		I think we're going to have to find out whether that's true, whether the top cop in America is that powerful.
		And I said, the way we're going to do it, we're going to do a burlesque of an FBI investigation.
		We're going to do an FBI investigation of J. Edgar Hoover.
		So I had my reporters follow him wherever he went.
		I had them interview his neighbors to find out what Kind of neighbor he was, and I did a garbage profile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You went through his garbage?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We went through his garbage.
		We found in his garbage art an empty jelly cell carton and some menus in his own handwriting that made me sick to my stomach.
		And so we concluded that he was suffering from gas pains.
		And I did a column saying he was suffering from gas pains.
		Now, gods do not have gas pains, and this brought him down, I think, better than anything that has ever been written from his deity's status.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you said he had gas pains?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We concluded that from studying his garbage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty tentative first stab.
		What was the immediate reaction?
		What did he do?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He very foolishly responded to it.
		He would have been wiser to keep his mouth shut, to keep quiet, and to ignore it.
		He blasted me and referred to the story, and he went after my reporters.
		I had the reporter who was following him, I won't name him right now because it's a little embarrassing to him, I think.
		The FBI came to his door, took pictures of him, caught him with flashballs, and harassed him, and he finally gave up and left.
		He quit.
		He took a less turbulent job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What year was that?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, I'm bad on years.
		But this was, I don't remember, it was near the end of his term.
		It was the beginning of the end for him because when I got away with criticizing, with condemning, with denouncing J. Druver, and I found out a number of other things, following him around, I discovered that he had,
		for example, five bulletproof limousines, and that he would, in spite of the fact that he was riding in a bulletproof limousine, he would duck down and prop his hat up at the other end.
		And I concluded that he was also like the Wizard of Oz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe he had reason to be doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, maybe he knew that he'd be killed given the first real opportunity.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was afraid of that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Let me say this, Art, because I didn't mean to jump on poor the late J. Andrew Hoover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you did.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did, and I didn't.
		Because Art, he started out to be a great man.
		He took a bunch of misfits and welded them into the most formidable law enforcement agency in our government and probably in the world.
		He deserves great credit for that.
		But he went too far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the things when?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		In other words, my first tangle with him, Art, was over the mafia.
		He said there was no mafia.
		He denied that it existed.
		I had evidence that it did exist.
		I went out to prove it, and I talked to, I think, over half of the mafia godfathers.
		I met them in their lair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask you this?
		Why would he say there is no mafia?
		Why would he even say that?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe people have written since I exposed the fact that there was a mafia.
		And my stories were picked up by the late Estes Keithlov, a senator from Tennessee, who conducted a Senate hearing based upon he called me and said, can you prove This?
		I said, no, but you can because you got the subpoena.
		Why don't you do it?
		And he did it, and he proved once and for all there was a mafia.
		J. Edgar Hoover was caught with bubble gum all over his face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but again, again, Jack.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, people wrote that He had sold out to the mafia.
		I don't believe that.
		I don't think he sold out to the mafia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then, what reason can you think he would say there is no mafia?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I am convinced that he just felt that he could not tackle the mafia.
		The mafia was too much too tough for him.
		And he knew that if he admitted that there was a mafia, the Congress would vote him money and tell him to investigate it and to break it up.
		And he didn't think he could do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that if he...
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		That was his job, and he didn't feel that he could do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he thought the mafia would kill him.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He may have thought that, but the real problem was the Narcotics Bureau, that's what it was called in those days, was headed by a guy named Harry Anslinger.
		He was more the bulldog that James Hoover pretended to be.
		And his guys did infiltrate the mafia, some of them.
		And he told me contemptuously, he said, Hoover's idea of sending the FBI into the mafia would be to take off their ties.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you think they had an understanding with the mafia?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He's been accused of that.
		I don't believe it.
		I don't think there are a lot of terrible stories been written about him, even that he was a cross-dresser.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe that story?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I do not believe it.
		And I am the one who did the original investigation of Jay Andrew Hoover.
		I'm the one that took him down a notch.
		I'm the one that reduced him from deity status to human status.
		And I think I would know.
		And I don't know why some of the people who hated Jay Andrew Hoover feel that they have to go to those lengths to destroy him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty widely circulated belief.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it.
		What I did find out was that he spent all his spare time with Clyde Tolson, his number one man, his right-hand power.
		I found out that they, because we were following him around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Business time or social time?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Business and social.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And social time.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We found out because we were following him that Clyde Tolson lived in an apartment and J. Andrew Hoover lived in a home.
		And they would alternately, every other night, they would spend, they would have dinner with each other at first the apartment, then the home, then the apartment, then the home.
		They had lunch every day at 11.30 at the Mayflower Hotel.
		Same place, same table, same food, basically.
		They went on vacations together.
		And this led to the rumors that there was a homosexual relationship between them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't buy that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all i get you do that so you know the words is i think through that But you're saying you think he might have been gay.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I think he might have been gay.
		I think there's a real possibility that he was.
		But I do not believe that he would have cross-dressed.
		He was so conscious of his image.
		He stuck that bulldog jaw out for the public to see.
		He didn't want them to see anything else.
		And even in the privacy of his home, he wouldn't dare have dressed like a woman.
		He would be afraid of being caught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in my way of thinking, I don't know about the cross-dressing, but if he was gay, so what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he did his job.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, so what, Art, is that he was denouncing gays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So hypocrisy.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you're going to denounce gays, it's best not to be raised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's definitely true.
		That's definitely true.
		But you still maintain, all in all, he built an agency that America was proud of.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		There is no question about it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We owe him our gratitude for that, and we can be doggone glad we stopped him when we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what was it specifically that caused him to say you were lower than regurgitated filth of vultures?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's pretty bad.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty bad, and I think it was getting into his garbage.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		When Nixon came under fire, he sent his counsel, you don't remember his name, Mark, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about Magruder?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Not Magruder.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		The one who defected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, John Dean.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, John Dean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He sent John Dean.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He sent John Dean over to the FBI to ask Hoover for the file on Jack Anderson.
		And Hoover said, and John Dean tells this story in his book, said Hoover responded, I'll be glad to give you the file on Jack Anderson because he is lower than dog crap.
		Now let me explain what I mean by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do know what dog crap is, but.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He said, let me explain, Hoover said, let me explain what I mean by that.
		He said, I have a puppy dog whose bowels are not under control.
		And I have to, my housekeeper has to clean it up and put it in the garbage.
		And Jack Anderson went through that garbage, and that proves that he's lower than dog crap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know, isn't that exactly what the FBI did when it investigated people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They go through the trash, right?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was why I did it.
		That's what I told my staff.
		Let's do unto Hoover what Hoover does unto others.
		and let's burlesque it because if we can get people laughing at him, we might survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He might not too.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They tell me he can destroy us.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to find out whether that's true, I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old were you then, Jack?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roughly.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was young enough to be older than I probably would be today.
		I've gotten old and decrepit, and I got Parkinson, and I just got back from a hospital where I had an operation.
		So I have a poor specimen today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stayed a lot longer than you planned to stay, didn't you?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess I would have been about 30 years old then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's about the time.
		You're young enough.
		You're foolish enough.
		In retrospect, boy, I'll tell you, I don't know whether I would have done that.
		I mean, you had to worry that somebody in the middle of the night was going to show up and you were going to end up out of windows or something like that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had Nixon's aide, G. Gordon Liddy, who has some story.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He was in the cooter's office attending a staff meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jack, hold this story.
		It's too good.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Let me take the break, and we'll be right back.
		It's a really good story.
		You're going to like this.
		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
		What have you done?
		Watching back up till you return.
		Signing back up and watching you burn.
		Now it begins, day after day.
		This is my life, ticking away.
		Moon River, Water, I'm crossing you in style someday.
		Oh, dream, make you heart breaker wherever you are.
		I'm going your way to break the world that's such love to see.
		We're after the way for them.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Wait for them.
unidentified		My heart.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		My guest is Jack Anderson.
		The columnist Jack Anderson.
		The troublemaker Jack Anderson.
		It's a real honor to have him here.
		He'll be right back.
unidentified		This is a part of the song that I like.
unidentified		Isn't that nice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyhow, we'll be right back.
		you I cannot resist this, and therefore I am going to read it.
		It's in the prologue to Jack's book, which is called, by the way, Peace, War, and Politics, an Eyewitness Account.
		I've got to read a little of this.
		I just have to.
		I looked up from my desk one day in December of 71 and was confronted by the ashened face of Jeb Stewart Magruder, special assistant to President Nixon.
		It was not often that any of this president's men darkened my doorway.
		This is Jack speaking.
		Magruder fidgeted a moment and then in measured words explained his mission.
		He'd come about a possible misunderstanding at the White House.
		Gordon Liddy, now a talk show host, one of the notorious White House plumbers, might be under the mistaken impression that Richard Nixon wanted me, Doug Anderson, dead.
		Magruder explained that he had complained at a staff meeting about some columns that I had written that were somewhat embarrassing to the president.
		Unappreciative White House reviews were common enough in those days, but following this particular review session, Magruder had added, quote, listen to this now, the president sure would like to get rid of that guy, end quote.
		Liddy, at that point, had abruptly stood up and walked out of the meeting.
		Now, Magruder thought nothing of the characteristic Liddy exit.
		No explanations, no goodbyes.
		And that's Liddy, all right.
		But moments later, his assistant, Bob Reisner, rushed breathlessly into the office with a look of humor on his face and said, did you tell Liddy to kill Jack Anderson?
		Reisner blurted out, Liddy, Liddy just walked by my desk and said you told him to rub out Jack Anderson, rub out Jack Anderson.
		My God, Magruder gasped.
		Get him back in here.
		So they stopped Liddy before he got out of the building, and Magruder told him that, quote, get rid of, had simply been a figure of speech.
		Liddy sniffed with contempt.
		Where I come from, he said, that means a rubout.
		With Liddy, it was best to be specific.
		Is that surreal, huh?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I was amazed to see Magruder.
		The White House staff people had been ordered to keep away from me.
		As you said, I was always in trouble.
		At least I tried to be.
		I worked at it and had some success at keeping in trouble.
		And Magruder told me this story.
		And I did, the way I protected myself, frankly, would be to go to another government agency that didn't like the White House and get them to conduct an investigation of the White House.
		So I went up on the hill, and I got Frank Church, Democratic senator from Idaho, to conduct an investigation of G. Gordon Liddy.
		And he brought witnesses in, took four testimony, found that G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt, these are the two guys who were in the White House basement.
		They had a sign on their wall, my name on their wall, to inspire them on against the foe in their basement hideout.
		And according to Frank Church's investigation, they had gone to a CIA doctor by the name of Edward Gunn.
		That's a great name for a CIA doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edward Gunn.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Edward Gunn, spelled with two ends, and had asked him for exotic poisons to use against.
		He said, what do you want these poisons for?
		And they said, for Jack Anderson.
		And he happily refused to give them to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They came right out and they said?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		This is a matter of sworn testimony before Frank Church's committee.
		I got him, I persuaded him to come to my aid.
		And he had Lydia and Howard Hunt before them.
		He questioned them.
		They said that they just wanted to make me look foolish.
		They didn't want to kill me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jack, what inspired you to play such dangerous games?
		And look, they were dangerous games.
		Let's not make any mistake about it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		You're right about that, Art.
		They're very dangerous games.
		The people will do for power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They won't even do for money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And the stories I was writing affected people in power, determined whether they stayed in power or didn't stay in power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, power is more important than money, isn't it?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Nixon had every government agency on my tail, everyone that had a law enforcement crew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Story was Nixon used the II.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They were following me two blocks behind wherever I went.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, literally following me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nixon used the IRS?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Did they use the IRS?
		Let me tell you the sad story.
		They cracked down on my income tax returns.
		My accountant said, don't worry about it.
		They will determine in 48 hours that your returns are clear.
		They're very simple.
		I've taken good care of them.
		Don't worry.
		Six years later, they were still investigating me.
		They were looking for dirt.
		And believe this or not, they forged a tax return in my name.
		I cannot prove that this was done by the top people.
		It may have been done by anybody inside the IRS.
		They forged a pony tax return and used that to crack down on my bank accounts, to start closing my bank accounts, to start putting me out of business.
		Fortunately, I had a source inside of Internal Revenue.
		He came up with the forged return, and I waved this under the noses of the Internal Revenue people, and they dropped their investigation in a big hurry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me they forged your signature on a tax return.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They forged my signature and the top of my return on somebody else's corrupt return and used that forgery to crack down on me and try to put me out of business.
		The FBI at one point subpoenaed all my telephone records.
		I went to court.
		I fought back.
		I went to court.
		John Sarika, the Watergate judge, was the judge in court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember him, yes.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He was a pretty good guy.
		And he asked the FBI representative, how many copies of the Anderson material do you have?
		And he said, well, we have one in every FBI office.
		Well, he said, I want you to gather them up and bring them in to me.
		And they said, we can't do that.
		The law forbids us from tampering with FBI files.
		He founded his rostrum and said, if you don't have them here by next Tuesday, you're going to find out what the law is.
		And they brought them in.
		I won most of those fights, but those were tough fights.
		CIA art.
		The CIA in violation of law.
		You see, the CIA is forbidden by law to conducting investigations inside the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		they had me under surveillance All I had were my kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		they were tapping your phone and they had court orders to tap your phone in order to get what?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when you get a court order, They were trying to put me out of business and scare off my sources and plant phony stories.
		I would get phony CIA documents shoved under my door.
		I would take these documents to my sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get information trying to catch you, right?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they did.
		I got my kids.
		I have nine children.
		We've had children by every form of birth control.
		We got kids.
		These kids, I told them, go on out and look for two men in the cars, two men with walkie-talkies.
		They spotted them.
		I eventually got from my sources the surveillance reports.
		They were called Operation Mudhead.
		I was the Mudhead.
		Operation Mudhen.
		Mud Hen?
		Mudhen.
		M-U-D-H-E-N.
		I'm the Mudhead.
		I got these reports, and I've lost all confidence in the CIA as a result of the reports.
		Let me give you an example.
		One of the reports that I remember says, unidentified female, my daughter, unidentified female approached vehicle from rear, see diagram number one.
		She circled vehicle, see diagram number two.
		She pulled out a camera and took picture of occupants of vehicle.
		See diagram number three.
		They had this diagram.
		It was embarrassing.
		They were so inept that my kids outspied the CIA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that was a CIA.
		That's the CIA report.
		You actually got it in your hands?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		in my hand I couldn't hold them off I had I had about It's not legal.
		It's not legal.
		I had a two-foot stack of surveillance reports from the FBI.
		One of them was they were following me when I had lunch with the CIA director, Richard Helms, had lunch with him at a hotel in Washington.
		And there's big discussion in the CIA papers about what are we going to do?
		Can we spy on our own boss?
		And they resolved it by not eavesdropping on our conversation, but taking a table about three or four tables down so they could watch us.
		They watched us, but they turned off the eavesdropping machines while I was sitting with the head of the CIA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That implies there's movement within the CIA not directed by the director.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the director obviously didn't know about it because they're debating in an exchange of memos whether they should go ahead with the surveillance because they had just discovered that my luncheon date that day was going to be the head of the CGI.
		This is unbelievable.
		What I went through was, well, when I grew up, I was brought up to believe in the American system.
		And I'm going to tell you something.
		I still do.
		I still believe that in spite of all that they did to me, in spite of the scandals that I've uncovered, in spite of the way they've resisted them, I don't see myself as an alienated critic.
		I see myself as part of the process.
		Because I've been in other countries, and I've seen how other governments work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And ours works best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no question about it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And they permit you and me to talk the way we're talking, and to do what you do, and to do what I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think that's going to continue?
		Are you concerned about that?
		In other words, yeah, you got away with it sort of, kind of.
		Still alive, anyway.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I got away with it.
		I am concerned about it.
		The time has come for me, at age 77, to hand over the baton to the next generation, I guess.
		We owe it to our children to pass on to them intact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are you handing it to, Jack?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we pass it on to our children.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		It's priceless American heritage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I mean your role.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who's doing your role today?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a guy named Doug Cohn.
		Doug Cohn?
		Doug Cohn is my partner.
		Doug Cohn does the column with me.
		He believes in the same things that I do.
		We don't agree on everything.
		We have some serious disagreements.
		But I'll tell you the truth, Art.
		I'm concerned about the kids.
		I'm concerned this priceless American inheritance that many Americans have left to the schools to provide.
		The surveys show that the schools have failed us.
		I have established Utah State University, the School of the Future, because I'm so concerned about what they're teaching in school.
		They've banished God from the classrooms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They have defamed and diminished American heroes.
		They have focused on the dark sides of our history.
		Not surprisingly, the kids lack a real appreciation for the land of the free.
		Surveys show that most of them don't understand the history and the traditions of their country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's because they don't travel.
		You know, if they traveled, If they went to some of these other countries, I've been around the world, I know you have, then they'd know.
		I thought it would be a good investment for the government to buy a ticket, you know, round trip one time only for somebody who turns 21 years of age to some third world country somewhere, so they get a good look at the way it happens elsewhere.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a good investment.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Serve time in the Peace Corps.
		Get overseas.
		Yeah.
		Because what the kids do not understand, they cannot value.
		What they don't value, they won't likely defend.
		And what they won't defend, they will lose.
		They will lose.
		And you asked me whether I'm concerned.
		Yes, I am concerned on their behalf.
		Because I've got all these kids and grandkids, and I'm worried about what's going to happen to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The news, to many of us, Jack, seems really managed.
		You know, the major network, CNN even, all of it seems rather managed.
		Maybe it's always been managed.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, not so much managed as selective.
		Reporters travel impacts.
		And they begin to see things from the same perspective.
		The people who cover Capitol Hill here you see them going up and down the corridors of the Capitol, flapping backs and shaking hands and behaving like congressmen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're part of the club.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they get up on Mount Olympus and they breathe the heavy air up there.
		And they look down upon the people below and they see the people below, you and I, and the people that you and I represent.
		They see them from through the eyes of the political elite upon the mountaintop.
		The correspondents who cover the State Department, first thing you know, they're wearing tweet jackets and puffing up pipes.
		Believe me, I don't think that they're managing the news, but the effect is the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not with malice, it's just with what they have become.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that process does not take very long, does it?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		No, because they want to go.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever get here in Washington, like come to Washington, attend a press conference, and you go home convinced that something's really wrong?
unidentified		Yeah.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		At these press conferences, they try to impress one another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, Jack.
		We're going to take a break here.
		We'll be right back.
		Jack Anderson is my guest, and he's telling it like it is.
		So you might want to listen.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
		He called and called, and I heard him say that she had always wanted to bring up anywhere and be made of a place.
		This is the end of the day of Spain.
		Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
		I wished him luck and then he said goodbye.
		He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
		What else was there for me to do but cry?
		Would you believe yesterday?
		No one wants to make my turn to leave.
		I breathe the name of the way of spite.
		No one's my king.
		I wish to know Sweet Jesus made of the end.
		Whoever might do this week I travel the world and seven seats.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to abuse you.
		Some of them want to be of you Oh, oh, oh Sweet dreams are made of me.
		Who am I to did not dream?
		Travel the world and the favour.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're about to open the phone lines for Jack Anderson, an absolute American legend.
		Good morning.
		Stay right where you are.
		There is more to come.
		Okay, once again, here is Jack Anderson.
		You holding up all right, Jack?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I'm enjoying this.
unidentified		I'll probably sleep the next two days.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		This is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we leave Winchell, Winchell got into like a blood feud with Hearst.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder if you have any comments on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Essentially, Hearst then sort of went broke.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know much about it, Art, except listening to Witchell.
		Witchell had such a massive ego that I was struck by his concepts were not realistic.
		He didn't talk reality.
		He talked Witchelle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did take off after the Nazis early.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He did that, and Drew joined him.
		They worked together on that project.
		They actually worked together to help build up J. Edgar Hoover during those days.
		Drew finally turned against Hoover, not openly so much as I did, but after Drew died.
		And Witchell stuck by Hoover to the end.
		He praised Hoover to the end.
		But during the Nazi, during World War II, the two of them joined in promoting Hoover and building him up and supporting him, and they were right in doing it.
		I agreed with what they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		How did this begin for you?
		I should have really asked that, you know, way back at the beginning of the interview.
		I mean, how did you get to be doing what you did?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I got started when I was 12 years old writing for I grew up in Utah.
		And the Deseret News, which is a Salt Lake City paper, started a Boy Scout page.
		I became the editor of it at age 12.
		Then I went to work during the summer for a weekly newspaper south of Salt Lake City in a place called Murray, Utah.
		I wrote for the Murray Eagle.
		I was 12 years old.
		I had learned through the Boy Scouts at the Desert News how to write a story.
		And I peddled around on my bicycle, covering police and fire and other events in Murray, Utah.
		And one day, on the road, Far Down Avenue it was called, the road I lived on, a narrow bridge, and a buddy of mine riding this bicycle hit the bridge at the same time that an automobile hit.
		There wasn't room for both of them.
		He was knocked over into the creek, badly injured.
		And I wrote an indignant, scalding piece denouncing this bridge.
		And I got a letter from the county commissioner saying, Dear Mr. Anderson, I was 12 years old.
		That impressed me.
		And he said in the letter, thank you for calling to our attention this hazardous bridge.
		We will take care of it immediately.
		They came and they enlarged the bridge, and I decided this is the work for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I began about 12, too, with radio.
		Very early.
		I knew exactly what I wanted to do, and you obviously did as well.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		What kind of radio did you do?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		You know, did you start out talking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really funny that you should bring that up, because what started me in radio is something you took a shot at one time.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At 12, I became a ham operator.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I took a shot at a ham operator?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you took a shot at ham radio generally.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long time ago.
		You said that the hams were hogging the airwaves, had too much airspace, and that the CBers ought to get some of it.
		Do you remember that?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		And the reason I don't is that I have reporters, and the reporters would have done that.
		If I had done the story, I would remember it.
		I don't remember that story.
		One of my reporters did it, but I accept responsibility for it.
		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, that was in 1977.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		So you started as a ham.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then I started hanging around broadcast stations waiting for somebody to get sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they did.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		How did you get your own network?
		You are big stuff across the country.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that happened.
		I don't know how that happened.
		I mean, one guy who didn't know much about radio came along and said, I really like the show.
		Let's syndicate it okay.
		That limped along for a year or two, and then somebody who really knew what they were doing bought it, and the rest is history.
		You know, it just sort of blossomed.
		I have no idea how it happened.
		It was a natural thing, probably the same way it was for you.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me say that I have enjoyed getting acquainted with you.
		I have a feeling that you and I share a lot of feelings, and I'm glad that there's somebody out there who agrees with me.
		There's a lot of people that agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to take a few calls and let a few people ask you questions.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Let's do it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here with Jack Anderson.
		Howdy.
unidentified		Bless your heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where were you going from, hon?
unidentified		Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nebraska, okay.
unidentified		Jack, you don't know how many people agree with you.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, bless your heart.
unidentified		And we have not forgotten you.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, how nice of you.
unidentified		And Jack, if I may call you that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I wish you would.
unidentified		Okay.
		with the sitcom All's Fair, I believe that's what it was, with Richard Crenna and the red-haired person.
		Was Jet...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All's Fair?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A comedy that ran on one of the networks.
unidentified		Bernadette Peters and Richard Crenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was based on Jack Anderson's life?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I remember you doing a cameo here and there.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, I don't think that it was.
		I had all kinds of Hollywood people wanting to build a TV show around our operation.
		We had a unique operation, I'll tell you that.
		The best way to understand our operation would be to, you've seen the movie The TV Show Match.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		TV series.
unidentified		We were sort of a Washington match, an irreverent group of reporters who Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, uh, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh If there is a movie done on your life, inevitably, you know, just like Winchell, they'll do one on your life.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine what kind of movie that would be?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on who does it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We had a great operation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would you like to have play you if there was a movie?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't really thought about it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Somebody handsome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your picture is in the books.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't want people to think that I'm as ugly as I am.
		I've gotten an Alfred Hitchcock profile.
		I have...
		I...
		I would like to be remembered as a little more slim and a little more handsome than I am today.
		And I'm going to insist upon a lead character that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
		That's why I'm on radio.
		Jack, I'm not so handsome either.
		So, you know, it's a theater of the mind here on radio for the most part.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you're going to get a movie about you before I get one about me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think so.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Jack Anderson.
		Hello there.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is the lone gumming from your affiliate in Boise News Radio 630K IDO.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boise, Idaho, yes, sir.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Boise, Idaho.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I grew up in Salt Lake City, so I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a Mormon, Jack?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I am.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, I'm not.
		Anyways, Jack, I saw a report on Dateline NBC tonight that I never thought I would see on NBC.
		We all remember the bombing of the Sudanese supposed chemical weapons plant in the wake of the Monica scandal.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know a lot about it, but I remember it.
unidentified		Well, Dateline, I guess they launched an investigation into this, and what they found was basically the only evidence that the United States had against a Sudan factory was a soil sample, which was taken about eight months ago outside the plant.
		And this was when the plant was under a different ownership.
		And they basically bombed the embassy on the strength of that.
		And the allegation that Dayline was making was really that Clinton did this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what, let's just ask Jack straight on.
		Jack, what he's really asking is, would an American president, this one perhaps, in order to mask domestic difficulties, send our U.S. military to do something that would grab the news?
		That's the bottom line here.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		That's the bottom line, and the answer is Bill Clinton would do it, has done it, and will do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that blunt enough for you, sir?
unidentified		It is.
		And, you know, I sort of cross-referenced it in my mind with, well, you did a repeat show the other night with a guest.
		I can't remember what his name, but he was talking about Clinton's changing his stance on the nuclear policy where we would absorb a strike before retaliating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I can't imagine that we would prefer to take a nuclear attack before we retaliated, but we would attack a small chemical plan, Sudan.
		And also, they've never made any reparations for this.
		And Clinton was more than happy to make reparations to the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia that we bombed.
		So it kind of shows you where the man's ties are.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I've never known a more political person than Bill Clinton.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Than Bill Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to, though, when you stand back, I do, I look at the way he operates and I have some twisted admiration for the way he's able to manipulate public opinion.
		He is an absolute master at it.
		It cannot be denied.
		Whatever else you think of him, he can get in front of the camera and he can just, he can mesmerize people.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And on a personal level, he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably okay.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he is a very likable guy.
		I live on the congressional golf course part.
		And my grandkids hit the ground running.
		They're on a perpetual Easter egg hunt for golf balls.
		And they sell them back to the golfers for 50 cents.
		One day, not terribly long ago, Bill Clinton was golfing.
		My grandkids recognized him and waved to him.
		He came over.
		He is precarious.
		He came over.
		He visited with my grandkids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		My 12-year-old Chris gave him a golf ball, said, Mr. President, would you accept this?
		He didn't charge him 50 cents.
		He figured, this is the president.
		I'm not going to charge him 50 cents.
		And Clinton took the golf ball and said, yes, I'll take it if you'll accept these from me.
		And he gave him two back.
		A typical Democrat, I should add.
		He gave him two golf balls.
		This is also Clinton.
		I have talked to Republicans who hated the very sight of Bill Clinton, who have gone to the White House and met him and been completely charmed.
		He's a charmer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you really think that in America today we could elect a president who was bluntly honest, told the truth?
		Would such a person be electable?
		Or is lying a prerequisite to becoming president of the United States?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I hope, Art, I hope that we could elect somebody who told the truth and that it would be so refreshing that he would be re-elected and everybody after that would decide that they had to tell the truth.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		But I'm not as confident as I'd like to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not either.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not.
		We have developed in this country a politically elite.
		And this is in this classless society of ours, we have a political elite high in their ivory towers that have set new political standards that threaten to change the character of our country.
		They have defined what is politically correct, even though it may not be factually correct, even though it may not be morally correct.
		They have given new meanings to old words.
		They place new standards in old packages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jack, if you were 30 years old today, what would you be doing?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's.
		I would like to think I would do again what I did when I was 30 years old.
		But I'm not too sure I could get away with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And live through it?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not too sure I could survive it.
		But I would like to believe that I would do it all over again and that the Constitution.
		I do not regret.
		Oh, of course, there are some things you regret.
		I made some mistakes.
		I regret every mistake I ever made.
		I regret every you sometimes harm the wrong people.
		You know, politicians in particular have big egos.
		And when you rip into them, it hurts them.
		I can tell you that Bill Clinton suffers inwardly.
		I talk to people who are close to him.
		He suffers from these attacks on it.
		Hillary suffers from these attacks.
		All politicians suffer.
		It's a cruel thing that I do.
		And I tell my reporters, if you enjoy this too much, I'm not too sure I'm going to like you.
		Political opposition is a public responsibility.
		And our job is to report on political abuse.
		And that's what we've got to do, but be sure you're right, because if you're wrong, some of these people would rather lose an arm and a leg than their...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I've pondered a lot of times, Jack, that I have far too much power.
		I have far too much power.
		I'm not elected to a damn thing.
		I'm nothing but a talk show host.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you and I need to commiserate on this because this is what I feel too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the media in general, I mean, boy, I'll tell you when Dan Rather or Broca or whatever, when they speak, it's like the word.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they don't have the editorial flexibility that you do, and that I do.
		That's absolutely correct.
		They are not as effective as we are because we can tell it like it is.
		They have to tell it like CBS and NBC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell it the truth is.
		That's absolutely right.
		All right, listen.
		Let's do one more segment.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		Stay right where you are, and we'll be right back.
		All right.
		We'll talk a little bit about responsibility.
		Jack Anderson is my guest.
		Have you ever heard him before?
		Well, tonight's your chance if you haven't.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
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		You brought a lovely work out without God, God, my love.
		You can't be the forest for the tree.
		Oh, don't be wrong.
		It's not that I can't get it yet.
		That I am not in the mark of a boy who wants to love only me.
		You're listening to Arch Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Jack Anderson is my guest, and in a moment he'll be back.
		and i've got two pretty the questions of one of those c_n_n_ shows says they always have big questions coming up the the Isn't that pretty sax?
unidentified		I love that.
unidentified		I love that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to Jack Anderson.
		Let's stay with the If Only I Was 30 again thing for just a second.
		Jack, recently in our history, and now the reason for a lot of domestic terrorism are two things that People consider, many people consider to be atrocities, and they wave the flag when they commit some terrible act like blowing up a building or something.
		Waco and Ruby Ridge.
		Now, had you been 30 when these things occurred, what do you think you'd have done?
		Would you have gone after the Attorney General?
		Would you have gone after the FBI?
		Would you have, what would you have done?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		We can't have insurrection.
		you have to have law and order but i am concerned the abuse by government we've got The American people are the sovereigns, and we've got to make the government conform to our will.
		But we have to have order.
		That comes first.
		The first duty of government is to protect the citizens.
		They're not doing it well enough.
		I can't condone these militant groups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i really can't you think that uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what was done at waco ultimately Don't misunderstand me.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying that when groups resist, as they're all throughout the country, certain groups like the one at Waco, like the one at Ruby Ridge, that are divorcing themselves from the government, declaring that they no longer are part of it, no longer going to take orders from it.
		I don't think our government has deteriorated that badly.
		I don't think we've reached that point.
		I think that that time could come, and when it comes, we'll have Revolutionary War II.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they're just aberrations, and as you point out, they certainly weren't handled correctly.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They were not handled correctly.
		They were aberrations.
		The great danger, as I keep saying, is the bureaucracy.
		The bureaucracy has become so inefficient that it's bogged down.
		It cannot perform.
		It spends too much of our money.
		Do you realize, and I'm sure you do, that half of your money, half of your earnings now go to the government in some form or other?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I well know, yes.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		That we fought the Revolutionary War over a 1% tax.
		Now it's 50%.
		And we're taking it.
		we're accepting it.
		I find it incredible that we It's comfort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People are trading their comfort for it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're doing.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		You were asking about the millennium.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're two days away.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		What?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel that this is going to bring significant change?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've wavered back and forth on what I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to Watch UK, even with some of the stories I'm getting now about Great Britain, which I told you about earlier, I still think it's going to be more of a people problem than it's going to be a machine problem.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right.
		Are you prepared?
		Oh, yes.
		Same here.
		I got 72 hours, though.
		That's all the preparation I thought I needed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trip to the grocery store?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I got water.
		I got groceries.
		I got medicine.
		I'm ready for a 72-hour disruption.
		I don't expect any more than that here.
		I would expect more than that in some countries in Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if there was to be a terrorist action, Jack, bluntly, it probably would occur either in New York or Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd be prime candidates, I would think.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they're on guard for it.
		And they expect something like this might happen.
		We've been lucky so far.
		I'll tell you what I think is going to happen in the new millennium.
		I think that we're going to get closer with our neighbors in outer space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just threw in a big one for me there.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do you agree?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our neighbors in outer space?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you want to clarify that well uh...
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		let me I have seen some scripture.
		It's not sanctified scripture.
		It's scripture by ancient prophets that's been found in the past 30, 40 years in the Holy Land.
		Enoch is one of them, some other prophets.
		And I put together bits and pieces from their writings, and it begins to make sense.
		They believed that populated planets without number are linked in a vast celestial society complete with interplanetary communications, transportation, and operations.
		But the reason that we here on Earth feel so alone, as we do on this little pinprick of an Earth, this pinprick of greenery is that we've been isolated.
		We've been shut off from the interplanetary system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are even space-wise isolated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you look at the Earth and its position with reference to the galaxy, we're in the suburbs here.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've been left alone to twist.
		The Earth has been left alone to twist on its axis.
		What these ancients believed was that we are under quarantine, that we are being isolated from the populated planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps with good cause.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, they believed, did you know about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jack.
		And I say again, perhaps with good cause.
		In other words, we've not yet really earned a right to join such an organization.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, they believed that dormant physical forces are activated by an all-powerful spiritual force.
		This latent force, they believed, was the key to the universe.
		That the intelligent beings, well, let me.
		They believe that active planets are quite different from one another.
		Each has its own unique plant and animal life.
		Yet they believe that intelligent beings who inhabit these far-flung worlds are celestial cousins.
		The ones that they have the same basic human characteristics, though some civilizations are more advanced than others.
		And they believe that the dormant physical forces are activated, as I said, by a spiritual force.
		And that it's with this spiritual force that they create through spiritual control.
		Allies from different planets form joint ventures in interplanetary construction.
		They are the planet makers.
		They believe that you have to keep the spiritual force pure, that wickedness and violence are contaminants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, then we are, at present, contaminants.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's why we're under quarantine.
		This isn't my idea.
		I am fascinated by it.
		I got it from these ancient scriptures.
		And you may not believe in ancient scriptures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		But it makes some sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It makes a whole lot of sense, Jack.
		What doesn't make sense, you know, the old Occam's razor thing, the most likely scenario is probably the right one.
		And when you look up in the night sky, all those pinpricks of light, they're all suns, and they have planets going around them, we now know.
		And so there's life out there.
		And I wouldn't think that we've yet earned our way into the club.
		I have Dr. Michio Kaku, one of the best theoretical physicists in our nation on the air.
		And he says, if we make it past the discovery of element 92 without destroying ourselves, then we will progress.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I add to that these ancient scriptures say that wickedness and violence are spiritual pollutions that can foul the delicate mechanisms that cause the universe to run so precisely as it does.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And this may be the reason that the Earth has been isolated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, Jack, that we are moving toward a more spiritual understanding and an eventual union?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you think at present, anyway, we're going the other way?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I think that we have gone about as far as we're probably going to go because I have a sense that we're swinging back.
		But we have been going the other way, but I have a sense that we are swinging back.
		That moral pollution on earth, the ancients believed that moral pollution could generate earthquakes, tidal waves, and other disasters.
		That this spiritual contamination could cause, when the spiritual controls were shirked, that you're going to have catastrophes.
		There have been more earthquakes.
		Maybe it's just that we're measuring them better.
		No.
		We've certainly recorded more earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jack.
		We have recorded more six plus earthquakes.
		I could go on and on.
		You know, the ice at the Arctic is melting.
		About 40% of it gone.
		The Antarctic ice shelf is breaking off.
		The planet is definitely, the weather is undergoing a change.
		Europe just got smashed with two storms.
		The meteorologists can't even begin to explain.
		There's some pretty bad, Venezuela, there's some pretty bad stuff going on right now.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is, you asked about the millennium.
		I think this is the millennium where all this is going to iron out.
		We're either going to have to take control of this planet and get rid of the spiritual pollution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it will lose us.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Or we're going to lose.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about the UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jack, I've seen two of them.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		You have actually seen them?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Directly above my head, Jack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I live out here in the desert about actually 20 miles from Death Valley and near Area 51.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		In that kind of area, you're more likely to see them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had one come right over my head, Jack.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		How did you know that it was what you believe it was to be?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Was this just, did you get a good look?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got a real good look.
		It was about 150 feet above my head.
		It was a triangle.
		It was moving.
		It wasn't flying.
		It was floating.
		And I could have thrown a rock at the damn thing.
		It was gigantic, maybe 150 feet from one point of the triangle to the other.
		My wife was with me.
		It came over us without sound.
		I could hear a cricket a quarter mile away as it came over my head.
		And we stood and watched it for five minutes go across the valley.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you know what I think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you've seen something like that, what do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to believe your eyes.
		And I know your reputation, and I think I've gotten to know you well enough to believe you Completely.
		And do you know what I think is happening?
		I think that we're under quarantine, and visitors from outer space, out of curiosity, are coming through to see what's going on here.
		I think they're curiosity seekers.
		I don't think that they're spying on us.
		I don't think they're going to do us any damage.
		I think that they are just curious because we have been shut off from this interplanetary system that the ancient prophets wrote about, believed in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever told anybody else you believe this?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		You brought it up, when you brought up the millennium, I just, it's just the time of year that, the, Boy, do I agree with you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jack Anderson and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Hello, East.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, that's you, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Art, I'm calling from Yokohama City.
		Okay.
		This is Paul.
		And I've heard one question, but could I ask him a question about the murder building?
		The murder building bombing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I feel like also asking something about that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		I live just a few blocks from there where it blew up.
unidentified		And I was wondering what he thought about the investigation on that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that they had some lucky breaks.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't following it closely enough to be an authority on it, but I thought that they had some lucky breaks and that those lucky breaks were correct and that they nailed the correct people, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think they nailed all the correct people on the break?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I think that there were many people involved.
		Not many.
		A few people involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And I think that they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And some of them, you think, are still on the loose.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, I think, are on the loose.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think it was just two of them involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't either.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I just don't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Kennedy assassination?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Kennedy assassination I know a lot about.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I spent 20 years investigating that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And it's hard to sum up in two minutes, but let me try.
		Okay.
		The United States, the CIA, was attempting to kill Vidal Castro, attempting to knock him off.
		Vidal Castro, on September 7, 1963, called a press conference and said and accused the CIA of doing what it was doing.
		And he went on to say, two can play at this game.
		If you continue to try to kill Cuban leaders, then American leaders will not be safe.
		It was his warning.
		It was ignored by the press in Washington.
		It appeared below the fold on page 7 or something like that because it was considered to be just more mouthings from Fidel Castro.
		But the CIA regarded this as a direct warning.
		And when Kennedy was killed, John McCone, Robert Kennedy, had been placed in charge of the CIA by Jack Kennedy.
		He didn't have a formal title, but he was in charge.
		Right after his brother was killed, John McCone came directly to Bob Kennedy's home, spent three hours with him.
		Kennedy's pastor was turned away.
		I called McCone and said, what were you doing there?
		He said, routine CIA business.
		Do you believe that?
		Everybody in the world was talking, had only one subject on their mind, the killing of John F. Kennedy.
		And you can't convince me that the head of the CIA went to see Bob Kennedy to discuss routine business right after that killing.
		The next day, John McCone, the head of the CIA, went to the White House.
		Only three people were there, Lyndon Johnson, John McCone, and George Bundy, the National Security Advisor.
		I was not there.
		I cannot tell you what was said, but I can tell you what John McCone told others that he said.
		He told Lyndon Johnson, so he said, and I had sources that got this directly from McCone.
		He told Lyndon Johnson that the Cuba Missile Crisis had happened just nine months earlier, and we had forced Khrushchev to take his pants down in public.
		We had humiliated him.
		He had backed down.
		He was in great trouble.
		In fact, he was ousted not long afterward.
		He was in great trouble in the Kremlin.
		And McComb warned the president, if you pin this on Fidel Castro, and it was Fidel Castro using the mafia, if you pin this on Fidel Castro, the Russians, Khrushchev, is reckless, he's impulsive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Final straw?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		It's final straw.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		He may push the button and it could cost, we could have a Holy Cost that would cost us 40 million lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jack, we're coming up in the final hour here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have one more hour of program, and I always give my guests a choice to stay on or go to sleep.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm having a good time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's have some more good time because I want to...
unidentified		I don't want to take over if you've got no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stay right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, stay right There.
unidentified		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
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		29, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from December 29, 1999.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I've got some very sad breaking news, very troubling breaking news about George Harrison and his wife.
		We'll get that on and get right back to Jack Anderson in a moment.
unidentified		We may still have time, we might still get by.
		Every time I think about it, I won't cry.
		The bombs and the dill, the little kids keep coming.
		Go in and read the easy time to be young.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No time to be young.
		Well, the bad news is former Beetle George Harrison and his wife are in the hospital right now, suffering from stab wounds.
		Apparently, an intruder, we believe, broke into his house, stabbed him in the chest, stabbed his wife.
		Both are alive at this point, in stable condition, in the hospital.
		Again, George Harrison and his wife have been stabbed.
		Nothing about the crime, no motive, probably isn't one, other than stabbing George Harrison and his wife.
		John Lennon and now George Harrison.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have Jack Anderson here.
		It's a great honor to have him on the program this morning and particularly to have him with us this long.
		He's on the East Coast, by the way, so it's after five in the morning there.
		Jack, sorry to be laying this news on you.
		You mentioned something to me during the break about John Lennon.
		You had helped him get into the country, is that right?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as a matter of fact, actually he came in on his own, but they were going to deport him.
		Strom Thurman was leading the battle to deport him because he had been arrested once for possessing marijuana, less than an ounce.
		Just a little bit of marijuana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And they were going to arrest him.
		And I intervened.
		I wrote a story about it.
		He wrote me a letter.
		His wife, actually, the Japanese girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yoko.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Wrote me a letter thanking me for preventing them from being thrown out of the country.
		The reason that Strom Thurman was wanting to do this was because he regarded the Beatles and John Lennon as subversive.
		Ironically, at the same time, in Prague, John Lennon was the hero of the anti-communist movement there.
		They had, in Prague, they had what they call the John Lennon Wall.
		I've been there.
		And this wall was used by the anti-communists to run Beatles songs, words from the Beatles that they used to inspire them against the communists.
		Can you imagine the irony?
		Here, the same John Lennon, whose Lennon Wall was the inspiration for the anti-communist, was being ousted, or they wanted to oust him, Strom Thurman wanted to doust him because they considered him to be pro-communist and subversive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in modern America, for some reason, Jack, maybe it's always been true, I don't know, but fame is a real big two-edged sword.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now in America, you can just be killed because you're famous, because somebody wants to make a name for themselves and be remembered as being, I guess, just be remembered, even if it's for killing somebody without motivation.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		It's a shocker.
		I agree.
		I feel badly for them.
		I didn't like their song.
		I didn't like their music much.
		I think you probably would disagree with me on that because you're younger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, listen, I listen to today's music and I can't handle it at all.
		I just plain can't handle it.
		And I'm sure you're just one tick away from that, and that would have been a lot of fun.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I'm a big band character.
		I come from World War II and the big bands.
		And to me, everything they sang sounded like yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Well, you know, I have a theory about that, Jack, and my theory is that this is the way God planned it.
		In other words, as you get older, as you get older, you finally get so disgusted with everything that's going on in the world, including the music, that by the time you're the age where you're kind of ready to go, you're ready to say, take me, Lord, get me out of here.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I'm tired of listening to this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, going back to the Kennedy assassination, you said that Castro and the mob had Kennedy killed and that it couldn't be revealed because that would push the Soviet Union over the line.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		That is what John Lacone, the head of the CIA, told Lyndon Johnson.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		According, I wasn't at the meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what we're going to find out after the 50-year seal?
		there's a 50-year seal on all of this stuff.
		Is that what we're going to find out after 50 years?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I don't think that that's in the record.
		I think Lyndon Johnson kept it out of the record.
		The next day, after he was told this, that this could lead to World War III, could lead to 40 million American casualties, Lyndon Johnson called J. Edgar Hoover.
		I did not listen to their conversation, but I knew both men.
		They lived across the street from each other.
		They were good friends.
		They had spent 30 years living across the street from each other.
		And I know them.
		I can almost guess what was said.
		Lyndon Johnson said, Edgar, I want you to save your country.
		Hoover would have clicked his heels at the other end of the ball and said, yes, sir, Mr. President, what is it you want me to do?
		And Lyndon Johnson would have said, if we involved Castro in the Kennedy assassination, it could lead to World War II and could cost his 40 million American lives.
		I want you to keep that out of the investigation.
		And Hoover would have agreed.
		And he did agree.
		I know that he did keep it out.
		I know that Lyndon Johnson formed the Warring Commission.
		But the Warren Commission never did its own investigation.
		The FBI did the investigation.
		And I know that Hoover and the FBI knew about Castro and his threat and his threat to retaliate against the CIA for trying to kill him.
		And I know that Hoover kept that out.
		I know Lyndon Johnson.
		He would always have an ace up his sleeve.
		The ace up his sleeve was the sixth man on the Warren Commission.
		And the sixth man on the Warren Commission was Alan Dulles, the former head of the CIA who had planned the plot to kill Castro, who knew all about it.
		And the transcripts of the Warren Commission reveal that it was Alan Dulles who told his fellow members, oh, these things have always been the work of one man, and I know this too,
		that when Lyndon Johnson, who approved, who said a number of times, dozens of times, that he concurred with the Warren Commission report, he was interviewed by Harold Smith.
		Remember the fellow that had kind of a bad eye, who was ABC anchor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, Smith was his name.
		He told me that he was interviewing Lendon Johnson and that, among other things, he asked him about the Kennedy assassination, that Lendon Johnson blurted out, well, Kennedy tried to kill Castro,
		but Castro responded and got Kennedy first.
		Smith almost fell out of his chair.
		He told me that he started, he said, what do you mean by this?
		And Lyndon Johnson acted as if he didn't realize he had said it out loud.
		He tried to retract it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it was said.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it was said.
		And I got my information about what happened from some of the mafia duns who were involved in the plot to kill Castro.
		Let me tell you, one of them was Johnny Roselli.
		Johnny Roselli was directly involved in that plot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Johnny Roselli.
		It took me five years to get him to talk to me.
		But when I finally got him to talk to me, he began to trust me.
		And before he was executed, because he was executed by the mob, he told me all that he knew.
		When he I got a call from his brother-in-law, his brother-in-law called me from Florida and said, Johnny is missing.
		I said, that sounds ominous.
		I'm sorry to hear it.
		But in effect, I asked him why he's calling me.
		He said, well, because we believe that he may have been killed for talking to you.
		His body turned up in a metal barrel wrapped in chains.
		had washed up on this game day.
		And I got a call from...
		Pretty much.
		I got a call from two Miami detectives.
		They said, can we come see you?
		I said, sure.
		They did.
		They told me the same thing.
		They said, we hear from our mafia sources that Johnny was killed, executed by the mob for talking to you.
		I don't know whether that's true or not, Art.
		I know that that's what the brother-in-law said.
		I know that that's what the two detectives said.
		And I don't think if he was killed for talking to me, I don't think he was killed for lying to me.
		I don't think they would have minded his telling me lies.
		I think he was killed for telling me the truth.
		And he told me that the mafia was involved in that uh that outcast was behind in the killing of John F. Kennedy.
		Johnny told me that and uh other sources told me that.
		Their testimony wouldn't be accepted in the court of law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's ask you about, you know, I live just over the hill from Las Vegas.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the founding father of Las Vegas was Bugsy Siegel.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, I mean, he stopped in the desert and said, here, and he built it, and they came, and they're still coming.
		And now, when you look at Las Vegas, you don't exactly see the mob anymore.
		What you see is multinational corporations and billion-dollar casinos and all the rest of this sort of thing.
		Is the mob still there, Jack?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that they have, well, they certainly don't have the kind of control that they used to have.
		I suspect that they are present in the same way.
		What happened is that some of the younger, the children of the mob leaders went to Harvard and other schools, and they learned how to do it the American way.
		And they're doing it the American way.
		But they do not openly control anything in Las Vegas today that I know of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people in Las Vegas over the Hill will be very happy.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Whoever old both daylits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, back to the phones here.
		Are you to the Rockies?
		You're on there with Jack Anderson and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Cleveland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cleveland, Ohio.
unidentified		There's some, I think, genuine muckrakers like Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti and some former CIA officers around the magazine Cobra Action magazine who have these are real muckrakers, and I don't think they'd ever be on your program, but they consider Jack Anderson to be an absolute fraud and a kind of a sewer disinformation pipeline for some of the most vicious slanders of the shadow government, the CIA.
		Whether he's been on one faction or another for his own advantage or jumping ship from one to another, overall he has represented throughout his career some of the worst slanders of everyone who's been on the military-industrial complex, CIA, shadow government hit list and just been brainwashing American public for hostilities or attacks against whether it's Castro, whether it's the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, or whatever.
		And I think one of the most vicious lies was his lie about the Kennedy assassination.
		The book, Unreliable Sources, points out that he was working in a kind of a COINTELPRO way for J. Edgar Hoover before he decided to apparently jump ship on a secret mission to interview Jim Garrison about the assassination to find out what he knew.
		He came back and reported to Hoover that Garrison made a very strong case that the CIA, the CIA, not Castro did it, but in all of his public appearances, he said exactly the opposite, exactly the CIA line, exactly the FBI line.
		And this whole attempt, I think, to frame up Castro is right in line with that.
		The mob was working for the Central Intelligence Agency.
		They hated Castro's guts.
		Kennedy was making moves towards normalizing relations with Castro weeks before or months before he was assassinated.
		The Central Intelligence Agency, he said he was going to destroy and cast to the wind in 10,000 pieces.
		He was going to get out of Vietnam.
		This is the reason that he was assassinated.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		all right well slow down i think it was slow down i don't think include that there and i want to my problem is that there are He's got somebody else because the things that he is saying have nothing to do with me.
		I have not done the things that he says that I have done.
		I did go see Garrison during my investigation of the Kennedy assassination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your conclusion?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I was met at the airport by two big strapping guys.
		I did not know who they were.
		They took me to Garrison's office, and Garrison finally said, why did these two guys, I guess he got worried that I might know who they were, he said, why did two Carlos Marcelo's thugs bring you into my office?
		I said, they met me at the airport and you're the only one who knew I was coming.
		He was tied in with Carlos Marcelo.
		There was no question that he was tied in with Carlos Marcelo.
		He ran his investigation in order to divert attention from Marcelo.
		You see, Marcelo was the godfather of New Orleans, but Dallas was under his jurisdiction, and the mob has their own protocol, and they had to deal with Carlos Marcelo.
		And believe me, I have spent 20 years investigating this.
		The closest that any official group has come was by the House Assassination Committee.
		They went into it much deeper than anyone else.
		The guy who ran the investigation told me privately that he agreed with me, but that members of Congress would not go along with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jack, you don't do through your life what you've done without making lots and lots of serious enemies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how many times have you felt nervous about the possibility of your own assassination?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have been threatened a number of times, including by Mo Dalitz.
		Mo Dalitz used to own the outright own the Desert Inn there in Las Vegas, where you're from.
		I got a message that he didn't like what I was writing and he was going to do me in.
		I don't mean to sound bravado because I knew that the mafia was worried about going after newsmen for fear that the newsmen would cause them more trouble than what they could solve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still, no, you got to take it somewhat seriously.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		But when I came to Las Vegas, I drove out with my wife and my kids in the station wagon, and I suddenly said to my wife, you wait here.
		I'm going over to the Desert Inn.
		I went over to the Desert Inn.
		I asked for Mo Davids.
		He came down the lobby.
		He met me.
		I said, I got your message.
		I thought that I would come and make it easier for you.
		What are you going to do about it?
		One message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What message?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I said, I told him what message.
		I told him who had delivered it.
		And he said, I didn't write that.
		I didn't send you any message.
		He said, here, stay in my hotel.
		See the show.
		Be my guest.
		I said, no, thanks.
		And I walked out.
		You have to confront them.
		Now, if I really thought he was going to shoot me, I would not have gone there, of course.
		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you couldn't be sure.
		You couldn't be absolutely sure.
		there's no way i mean when you walk in there you have to be at least a little concerned that you know i've been a little guy that uh...
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		the political that sounded to me like he has been listening to By that, you make enemies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		George Harrison and his wife are in the hospital.
		They've been stabbed.
		You'll be getting many more details on this as the day progresses.
		I'm Martin Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Jack Anderson.
unidentified		Coast AM with Jack Anderson
		Imagine that no heavenly skylight.
		Above a lonely sky Above a lonely sky Imagine all the people with me all today.
		Imagine there's some country all night.
		I'm no religion too.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 29th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Jack Anderson is my guest.
		A very rare treat indeed.
		Get right back to him.
		A dreamer, a spiritual person, or a socialist.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You tell me what a rough ride it's been, huh?
		Good morning, everybody.
		We'll get right back to Jack Anderson.
		Listen, I have a fax here, unverified, of course, from a fellow Ham in the Midwest who supplies me with his call letters and telephone number and ICQ number and so forth.
		And I'll just read it to you and you can absorb it for what it's worth.
		Art today at about 7.15 p.m. on 6.96 megahertz lower side band, I overheard a conversation between Arecibo, that's in Puerto Rico, the big telescope, radio telescope in Arecibo, and an unknown station.
		They were discussing the reception of a signal from two light years out.
		The signal consisted of low-order numbers, the repeat of a signal previously sent to space by Arecibo.
		The unknown station said they had verified the signal with other sites.
		It was not from a military satellite.
		They repeated numerous times that it was not a test.
		If necessary, I can be contacted and he gives me the information here.
		I'll follow up on it for you.
		It may be nothing, or it may be really something.
		Who knows?
		Jack, welcome back.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		SETI has picked up a couple of messages that sounded like they were intelligent messages, but they went away too fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		They couldn't settle it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I've interviewed the head of SETI several times, and they've had a few things that they're unable to explain, but as you point out, they've always gone away too quickly.
		All right, here we go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jack Anderson.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from Westchester County, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's been a very long and a very interesting night.
unidentified		Mr. Anderson, you are aware of the former CIA agent Victor Marchetti, who wrote a book back in the early 1970s about what he referred to as the MKUltra program within the federal government.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		SIM.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Very pathetic about it.
unidentified		Certain allegations regarding mind control, the use of LSD to influence people.
		And this segues into my question about John Lennon's assassin or alleged assassin, Mark Chapman.
		A lot of people have been talking within the alternative media For years, that Chapman was a victim of government mind control when he was in Hawaii.
		Do you have any information which might support that conclusion?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't have.
		I'm sorry to say.
		I don't have any information to dispute it either.
		But I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that did shock me, I used to not be a believer in these conspiracy theories that people have cherished so long.
		But you know, when Hazel O'Leary, the energy secretary, walked in front of the country and said that we had fed plutonium to children and pregnant women and stuff like that, I lost something.
		It's like I couldn't believe it.
		I couldn't believe it.
		When I grew up, Jack, and I'm younger than you are, by 20 years at least, and when the FBI would come out and they'd have a press conference, you know, about the latest person they've caught or whatever, I mean, you could take that to the bank.
		It was like solid gold.
		Now, in modern America, when the FBI comes out and has a press conference, people almost automatically disbelieve them.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Uncle Sam's word, when I first came to Washington, Uncle Sam's word was good as his gold.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Today, he is not believed, and for good reason, because he tells lies.
unidentified		Yeah, well, did he always tell lies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, were we simply naïve virgins back then?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		World War II was a different era, a different kind of war.
		Yes, they had security.
		Yes, they used censorship, but it was considered to be in the national interest to do so.
		What happened after the war is that they had gotten used to the military had gotten used to having the right to classify whatever they wanted to classify.
		They didn't have any censorship stamps in Washington, but they had a lot of secret stamps in Washington.
		So when they had something they wanted to censor, they stamped it secret, top secret, instead.
		That still goes on.
		And I don't recognize a secrecy stamp anymore.
		I have.
		I'm the worst security violator in Washington because if it's something that the American people are entitled to know, I don't care what stamp is on it because the proper stamp should be censored.
		They censor the news by stamping the news secret.
		And then that way they manage.
		We talked earlier about managing the news.
		That's how they manage the news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a lot of news, Jack, is managed by omission.
		If you listen to shore wave stations around the world, you will hear things that absolutely ought to be big news here, and they are not.
		They're not even mentioned.
		That doesn't mean they didn't happen.
		It just means for some reason the press here decided in their packed way not to report it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Let me give you, let me make a confession.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I have a reputation for digging up hot stories that nobody else gets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because the press is covering only 20% of the news.
		That leaves 80% for me to dig up.
		I got, it's easy.
		You can dig up these stories because the press is only covering 20%.
		80% is out there for you and me and people like us if we would only do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about the newest guy on the block, the internet guy, Matt Drudge?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, he started out as a gossip columnist, sort of Walter Winchell type.
		But he is settling down now.
		He is checking his facts a little more carefully.
		I'm opposed to tabloid journalists, and he started out as a tabloid journalist.
		A tabloid journalist operates the way a lawyer operates.
		A lawyer can take either side and go into court and prove it.
		A tabloid journalist decides what the story is before he writes it.
		And he can prove anything.
		And I tell my reporters that we don't know what the story is until all the facts are in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and then try tackling this one.
		I mean, we went round and round about this stupid Monica Lewinsky thing for I don't know how long it absorbed our national attention.
		But there was a day when presidents did this kind of stuff.
		They just didn't get reported on, that's all.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I have a rule that a politician's, the government official's private life is his own business unless it interferes with his public performance.
		And by that token, I left these things alone.
		I still do.
		I didn't break the Lewinsky story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would not have?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I sent two reporters.
		When Bill Clinton became a candidate for president, I sent two reporters into Wisconsin and Arkansas.
		And they came back with stories that shocked me.
		I didn't believe them.
		I thought that they had gotten mixed up with some Clinton haters.
		I didn't think that they could be as bad as they were.
		And everything they brought back turned out to be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's kind of an interesting thing going on now, of course, with Hillary in New York considering a Senate run or about to make a Senate run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She is going to be living in New York to a large degree, occasionally coming back to Washington.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least during the campaign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least during the campaign, they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you think that the Clinton marriage will survive the end of the Clinton presidency?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, to be truthful, there are only two people who really know, and that's Eddie and Hillary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I have talked to people who are close to them, and the people who are close to them tell me that Hillary is outraged at her husband's conduct, that she had a showdown with him after he got the nomination for president and said to him, and this is secondhand, because I didn't get it from Hillary.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I got it from one of Hillary's friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And she quoted Hillary as telling, Bill, you have embarrassed me for the last time.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		If you do it again, I'm going to leave you, and you're going to lose your wife and your daughter, and he loves Chelsea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if that's what's underway right now.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And she said, I'm going to leave her.
		I'm going to leave you.
		And he straightened up for a while.
		But I'm told that on a trip, a Secret Service agent alerted, tipped off the First Lady, that he had a bimbo on board.
		She went rushing out to the Andrews Air Force, Andrews Field, and met the plane when it arrived and caught him in the, getting dressed afterward.
		And she came back and said to one of her friends, that bastard, if he, I'm going to divorce him and run against him in 1996.
		And of course she didn't do it, but this is what she threatened to do.
		This was the period where even some of the rest of the press got pieces of the stories told about her throwing a lamp at him or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pottery and various things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard all those stories.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Not too long ago, during the Lewinsky affair, a very good source of mine told me that she was visiting with Hillary in Hillary's office, and the president came in and started saying, how's my favorite lady?
		How's my girlfriend?
		How's my sweetheart?
		And she let the glasses slide down the end of her nose, looked up at him, and said, is there something I can do for you?
		Very coldly.
		So things are not well between them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well i sense that uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and so i was kind of curious whether this new york thing might be uh...
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		i guess not the beginning of the end but near the end of the line Let me hasten to say, Art, that none of this was confirmed directly with Bill or Hillary.
		And it all comes secondhand.
		And you've got to be careful with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does, however, sound somewhat human and logical.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air with Jack Anderson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hello, Art.
		This is William from Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Good evening, Jack.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		It's an honor to talk with you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was just wondering, because of your unique perspective and knowledge of Washington politics, do you think there's any practical and workable plan to get soft money out of politics and possibly develop some kind of public financing of our candidates in Congress so we can get some honesty and real legislating out of them?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the worst scandal in Washington is the way we finance politics.
		We've got to do something.
		But I don't see them doing it.
		I don't either.
		As I said to you a little earlier, Art, they've been so turned off on politics that they don't turn out.
		This has caused a vicious circle that I described.
		People are turning away from politics, and the politicians are turning more and more to the special interests that are willing to finance their campaigns.
		And the people who finance their campaigns want a return on their investment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're never going to get rid of it.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I don't see it.
		McCain is trying to do something about it.
		If he became president, I think he could get something passed.
		But as a little member of the Senate, he doesn't stand to prayer.
		And even if he became president, he would have a tough time doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think presidents, when they run, have one thing they believe.
		And a lot of them start out very well, and then, you know, kind of like all politicians, once they're in the White House, there are certain realities.
		Somebody probably sits them down and lays out certain realities.
		And I guess I believe that.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that happens to each one.
		There's no question about that.
		That does happen.
		And they are led to believe that politics, as usual, is a reality.
		I contend that it is not.
		I contend that the American people are the sovereigns.
		The government belongs to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And I think that you and I, we may be one of the few left, but founding the Constitution gives us freedom of the press.
		Ours is the only profession mentioned in the Constitution.
		There's nothing in the Constitution about freedom to practice law.
		There's nothing in the Constitution about freedom of practice medicine.
		There's nothing in the Constitution about freedom to engage in commerce.
		There is something in the Constitution about freedom of the press.
		And I take that seriously because the government needs a watchdog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government, how do you feel about this great growing thing called the Internet, Which the government actually began and now, to some degree, is its nemesis.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		They're scared to death of it because the internet is going to make it possible for people to vote.
		And I'm a little afraid of it.
		One of the realities is that our founding fathers were trying to protect the minority from the abuse of the majority.
		And the ultimate minority is the individual.
		And the individual is going to be swamped by a lot of people who don't know what they're doing, who will vote without knowing who the candidates really are and what they really stand for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm a little worried about the uneducated, the uninformed voting.
		I'm afraid to say that.
		I'm going to be denounced for it, but that's going to be a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a problem.
		Jack, you're at the end of your career, pretty nearly.
		So how do you wish to be remembered?
		how do you wish the american people to remember you uh...
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		i i i have never put up I never got up on Mount Olympus with my colleagues.
		I don't travel with the pack.
		I am a loner.
		I would like to be remembered as the voice of the voiceless, the oppressor of the oppressed, the oppressor of the oppressor of the oppressed.
		I think that's what I'd like to be remembered as.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been a long, interesting, fascinating life that you've had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And aside from some regrets, which we all have, I'd wager you wouldn't take very much of it back.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		I said that earlier on your show, that if I had to do it over again, I would do it the same way.
		I incidentally, can I invite people to send to my office for an autographed copy of this book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sure can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they do that?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give them an autographed copy.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		I just remembered I got a lot of them stacked up there, and I got to get rid of some of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peace, Warren, Politics, name of the book.
		It's a great book.
		And if you want an autographed copy, how do you get one?
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Just call my office during the Eastern office hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure cherishing my copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I appreciate the personal note you wrote, Jack.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate spending this time with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jack, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll never know how much of an honor it has been for me to have you on the program, for you to consent to come on the program.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Well, anytime, let's do it again sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's, Jack.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you and good night.
jack anderson ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Folks, that's Jack Anderson from the High Desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell.

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