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Nov. 11, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ed Dames. Remote Viewing Satan. Flight 990 - Richard C. Hoagland, Peter Davenport

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	And here I will be doing the show.
	I should like to welcome WSYR.
	In Syracuse, New York.
	They're a powerhouse on 570, covering, well, about all of central New York.
	So, Troy Skinner, who's the program director.
	Joe Goluski, I believe it is.
	Jim Reef.
	The Morning Guys.
	The entire gang at WSYR.
	We are really, really pleased.
	We've actually been on since Monday.
	Wanted to be sure everything was working right.
	It is.
	So, welcome.
	The powerhouse from Syracuse of USYR.
	We are going to make radio history tonight.
	Never before have major airline pilots come forward publicly, particularly not just one crew, but members of two separate airliners, airline crews and airline companies, that saw the same thing in roughly The same place, at the same time, and the FAA controller who tried to see it from the ground.
	All of that is coming up tonight, and we're going to probably cut a little into Ed Dames' time to accomplish all of this, and I've already spoken to him about it.
	Ed Dames, who is a technical remote viewer, Has looked at this particular incident that you're going to hear about tonight, and we'll have comments on that, as well as what brought down Flight 990, EgyptAir Flight 990 is going to be looking at that as well.
	Has looked at that, I should say.
	And we'll have the results for you, and a whole lot, this could be a wild night.
	We really will make radio history.
	As far as I know, this has never, ever been done before.
	After tonight, it may never be done again.
	I don't know.
	So that's what's directly ahead.
	Buckle in and get ready.
	All right.
	By the way, everybody, the sun is absolutely going nuts up there.
	We have a rounded sunspot count right now of 340.
	And so I'm getting on HF, and that means HF radio, shortwave, every day, 29.6 FM.
	29.6 FM.
	I got on today, and it was a blast talking to people just all over the country, so I'll be on again tomorrow during the day.
	29.6 FM.
	You might look for me.
	I am W6OBB, and it's a blast on FM.
	Now, we're not going to worry about the time tonight.
	We're just going to sort of let things flow and go as they are.
	I want to get it all in.
	I don't want to leave anything out.
	We're about to go to Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, and we have a lot of very serious jaw-dropping stuff to get to you tonight, followed by Ed Dames.
	So, and then your jaw will simply drop off.
	So, without further ado, to Seattle, Washington, and the National UFO Reporting Center, With some really big ones tonight, here is Peter Davenport.
	Peter, welcome to the program.
	Thank you, Art.
	Greetings from Seattle once again.
	Boy, am I looking forward to this program tonight.
	This is the type of... I know we've done a lot of programs together, but I think this is going to be a very, very interesting one for our listeners.
	You know, as I was sitting here during the first part of the program listening, it occurred to me that if we're not careful, there's going to be a rating system imposed on radio programs before we know it.
	I know.
	I've thought that about my program, Peter, for a long time now.
	They're going to get me.
	Until then, I'll have fun.
	I have similar concerns every once in a while, but it occurs to me that we may have a few listeners who, to get through these UFO programs, may need a sedative or two, whether prescribed by their physician or their favorite bartender, I don't know.
	If they're going to sit through this one, they might want to make sure they have a refill on that prescription and a designated driver, because I think we've put together a pretty good program.
	Yeah, we're going to be talking ultimately to two major airline pilots, well, a pilot and I think a co-pilot, who saw the same thing.
	I mean, this is really serious.
	Close encounters of the third kind.
	Do you want to report one of those things?
	No, not me.
	Or whatever it was I said.
	Well, tonight we're actually having The pilots, the FAA controller, who are going to report one of these things.
	I don't think it's ever been done before.
	So, at any rate, Peter, before we get to all of that, you have some even closer in breaking news, right?
	You know, yeah, I do.
	And when I went to bed last night at about 1 a.m.
	this morning, I was looking forward to getting up and preparing for this program.
	I was looking forward to a simple day.
	Little did I know that my wake-up call was going to be yet another call from the FAA.
	We have a very distinguished guest standing by, but I would like to take just a minute to share with our listeners what we might be talking about later in the program.
	This morning at 8 a.m.
	Central Standard Time, The FAA had a report from two executive jet pilots, and what I'd like to do is play a very short audio clip.
	It's only about 15, 16 seconds long, to share with our listeners tonight what my wake-up call was at 0622 this morning.
	This was a report from Kansas City Center reporting what one of their air traffic controllers received from two executive jets.
	They were at, one was at 39,000 feet, the other at 37,000 feet.
	Over southeastern Missouri, just about 60 miles south of St.
	Louis, Missouri, my birthplace.
	This is what was reported to us at 0620 hours this morning.
	Here we go.
	I've had two aircraft report a UFO sighting on frequency this morning.
	And I can only give you a brief description of what they saw.
	I do have it all on tape.
	I have it all on tape, and it was a pretty dramatic sighting.
	It shook the pilots up pretty badly.
	Perhaps we can talk about this one later in the program, since we have a little extra time towards the end of it.
	We do, yes.
	We'll play a couple very interesting cuts that came in this morning, but what I would like to do is go to an audio cut just to set the theme for what happened back on the 26th of October.
	I would like to set the theme with a cut.
	This is actual FAA footage and I'd like to preface by saying we would not have this tape if it were not for the gentleman whose voice we're about to hear in a few minutes Uh, on his day off, driving an hour into his workplace, straightening things out that I'd succeeded in getting bollocked up and getting this taped to us today, uh, really can't say enough fine things about the support and the help and the assistance that we've gotten from the FAA.
	Okay, this is the, uh, the gentleman that we are going to call Joe, who works for the, is an FAA air traffic controller, correct?
	He prefers the covert name Joe tonight, air traffic controller, Let me play the radio reports that came in from two airliners on the morning of the 26th of October.
	Not a particularly good cut.
	It's typical radio communication with airliners, but I think it's... I think everybody will understand that, but understand this is, folks, over the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
	And so I would take it that Dallas-Fort Worth has a control area.
	Specific control area, like most major airports have.
	They have a center, and this is what was reported to them on the morning of the 26th of October.
	Here we go.
	Alright?
	First, I want to sound a little weird, but we have got a series of three very bright lights.
	It appeared at our 11 o'clock, and we don't know the distance, but 11 o'clock and 3 o'clock out there, I think, probably in the distance.
	I used to feel like one of those wacky UFO reporters, but honestly, I've never seen anything like that before.
	We just saw 11 o'clock for I don't know how far, it could be maybe 50, 100 miles away, but three very bright lights.
	No, no, so far.
	This could be maybe 1500 miles away, but, uh, three very bright lights.
	Uh, looks like they went out left time.
	Uh, and then the lights appeared and then they disappeared.
	Uh, any refueling track out there or something like that, where everybody could have their lights on doing a refuel
	or something like that?
	Well, there are refueling tracks out there, but we don't have anybody in them right now.
	I would tell about that.
	And Delta 314, I'm showing some interesting primary targets, but that's probably just some kind of a novelty.
	I don't believe there's any aircraft out there, but actually, I'm looking at 12 o'clock, maybe 10 miles.
	Hey, well, I'm not losing it.
	The copilot and I both saw it.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	It was very odd.
	Okay, let me know if you see it again.
	We don't see any strobes or anything.
	The lights were thrown up apart that leads me to believe that the airplanes were closer than further.
	And usually after the headlights turn away, or the landing lights turn away, you can see strobes or something, but we don't see anything out there.
	Can you say that this landing was approximately a flight of three, as you say?
	A flight of three, and at first glance I would have thought it was a heavy fueling operation, but generally they don't happen this time of the morning.
	And with every fueling operation, I know there were plans for a formation, or if there weren't that kind of plans, the lights were far enough apart that it would lead me to believe that even in route formations, or even wider formations, they would be closer to us.
	Delta 314, roger.
	Approximately what altitude were they at?
	Mention altitude.
	I'd say about an hour altitude, you know, plus or minus a double thousand feet.
	Delta 314, roger.
	I would definitely know of anybody in altitude to We got a 92, so we're seeing a record.
	Okay, we got a 92, and you're last to talk?
	Yes, sir.
	It looks like it's heading north of Dallas.
	It looks like it's about 80 miles away, sir.
	Okay, we're looking at it at 92 and you're last to talk.
	Okay.
	We're looking at it.
	We got some corroboration there.
	They have some corroboration now.
	Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, that was very clear.
	You had to listen carefully, but not that carefully, Peter.
	That was very clear.
	Good.
	So, right at the end, that was the second aircraft, but he didn't sound like he wanted to say a lot more.
	Well, we saw him too.
	But I'm sure that first gentleman, whose voice we're going to hear here in a few minutes after the bottom of the hour, I was pleased to hear that somebody else had seen those things in his airspace.
	But what I would like to do is go to our special guest tonight, Joe, the FAA Air Traffic Controller, who was standing in Fort Worth Center when all of this took place, and why don't we listen to what he has to report he heard that morning.
	Hi, Joe!
	Hello, Mark.
	You're going to have to really yell at us, Joe.
	All right, you have that.
	Well, it's almost okay.
	You're not too loud.
	First of all, I want to thank you for being with us at this late hour.
	No problem.
	It is a late hour.
	So you're an air traffic controller.
	How long have you been one?
	Eleven years.
	Eleven years.
	In those eleven years, Joe, how frequently do you get something like we're talking about tonight that everybody's hearing?
	Well, I have never heard it before, but asking around, nearly everyone has heard it.
	Heard it at one time or another, it seems like.
	The actual controller that you heard on the tape there mentioned that he had the same thing happen to him last year at almost the same place.
	At almost the same place?
	Yes.
	Our airspace that I work in is Oklahoma and North Texas.
	I've had several people tell me they've had pilots report things over that area.
	Does it usually get any farther than you or your supervisor?
	Does it normally get to a National UFO Reporting Center, or does it usually more times than not stop before that?
	It usually doesn't go any further than comments on it.
	I haven't ever heard of anyone really wanting to push it and report it like that.
	Why did this one get reported?
	Or how?
	Well, they have... When we were looking for some way to report it, we've never had this come up before, and the pilot indicated they wanted to report it.
	The watch supervisor came up with the number to the National UFO Reporting Center, and right as he was walking up, I was thinking, boy, I wish I knew the number to that UFO Reporting Center, and then he walked up with it.
	Well, that's great.
	The ball got rolling from there.
	You work for the federal government, in essence, right?
	Yes.
	By the way, I need to say I'm not representing the views of the FAA.
	That's fine.
	A relevant question here is, I'm really curious.
	Is there any official way that you can, within the government itself, begin to take a report like this to a higher level or any reason to or any provision for doing that or not?
	Not that I know of.
	Really?
	Really.
	So in other words, these reports then most of the time just sort of happen and get buried.
	And all of our recorded tapes, unless there's an incident, are erased every 15 days.
	So it's not like you can come back a few weeks later and Look it up.
	Don't report it right then.
	It's too late.
	You have two types of radar, at least, I know that you look at.
	You look at transponders of aircraft, which are actively transmitting a signal to you, and you also have, I take it, the regular old-fashioned paint-the-skin radar that you can look at if you need to.
	Well, it's all on the same display, and it's all Computer enhanced.
	We don't see, you see the sweep on the old movies of the radar.
	We don't see that in the center environment where I work.
	The post controls still have that kind of radar.
	So in other words, what you see is pretty much of a static picture.
	It's a lot like a video game, actually.
	Like a video game, with little moving transponders.
	Yes.
	How effective is the non-transponder radar?
	In other words, it's fine until you're around a major city, and then there's so much ground clutter, and that's what the controller indicated on the tape there.
	The ground clutter around this area is pretty bad.
	Pretty bad, huh?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What I'd like to do is ask you and Peter to hold on for a moment.
	We'll take a break here at the bottom of the hour.
	I know we are running a little late and we're going to do that in this instance because I want to be sure to get it all, all the information on the air for you.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
	And we really are going to make radio history tonight, because we're recording one of those.
	Actually, two very brave men, and I really don't loosely use that, are coming forward, pilot and co-pilot, both major airlines, driving The heavies, you know, the big ones, both had a sighting.
	You heard the tape, and you're going to hear it again.
	We're going to have them on at the top of the hour.
	In the meantime, we're going to chat a little more with this wonderful gentleman we call Joe, who is an air traffic controller in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
	All of that coming up, and there's a lot to it.
	And then following that, of course, Ed Dame.
	So it's going to be quite All right, once again, Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, and our FAA controller from the Dallas-Fort Worth area, who we are calling Joe.
	Joe, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	And remember to yell at us, Joe.
	All right.
	That's very important.
	And Peter, are you there?
	Still here.
	Okay, good.
	Now, I guess I have A few more questions.
	Joe, what motivated you to report this one?
	I mean, this one could have slipped through the cracks just as easily as any other and sort of gone nowhere, certainly not to a UFO reporting center.
	So that must mean that you want this information out.
	Well, first of all, the pilot Indicated they were going to report it.
	They were pretty... I've never... Adamant?
	Adamant, yes.
	I've never heard them that adamant about wanting... Well, I've heard them that before when there's an incident of some kind and that's about how they sounded.
	They wanted to turn it in and all I initially called for was... I believe you played that tape a couple of weeks ago I heard.
	Was just to set the scene a little bit for Peter when he got the call from the pilot, so he'd have a little better idea of the scenario that he was going to hear.
	Peter?
	That's right.
	Actually, as I think back to it, the first call we took on this was from the pilot.
	Actually, the co-pilot from Southern Airlines.
	We're calling them tonight.
	After he landed, he gave us a call from the Florida area, and he was the first one to check in.
	He left no doubt in my mind about what he wanted to report that incident.
	It was very unusual.
	It leads me to a question, Joe.
	There's a lot of hardware that flies in our skies, covert, military, and so on.
	Can you share with our listeners, is there any possibility that a military aircraft or some kind of intelligence platform would have been flying in that airspace on that morning Without strobes, without radio, without a transponder and would not show up on radar.
	What's your read on that one, please?
	Well, you never say never.
	They're not supposed to be up there.
	We all have secret clearances and we're supposed to be able to keep that kind of stuff secret.
	If they're up there, we're supposed to know about it.
	Especially at those altitudes where the airliners are at.
	Are you allowed, Joe, to know how to identify them, or simply that they are going to be in the air?
	I don't want to ask you anything classified, but obviously they probably don't run with transponders if they're over there.
	If they're up there, they should have a transponder, or in some sort of large warning area, or a military operating area, and then we can just Miss the area and they can do what they want inside the area.
	There are large areas like that all over the United States, especially the western half.
	We know.
	I'm out of here.
	So you just give them clear airspace is what you do?
	In those areas, yes.
	But if they're out like this aircraft, I guess it was, we should have known he was there.
	There's no way that's allowed under any Any rules at all?
	Again, don't answer this if it's classified, but we all know that we have stealth aircraft, stealth jets.
	It is possible, is it not, that if it were a military stealth aircraft, aside from not assigning some sort of transponder so you know where they are, your other radar would not have picked them up, would it?
	Or would it have?
	I'm not real Sure about that.
	I don't know how well our radar would track a stealth fighter type aircraft.
	At any rate, this... Whenever they come through, they have transponders on, as far as I know.
	This didn't sound like the small F-117 anyway.
	No, and not from what they said.
	Well, no.
	How long have you been doing what you're doing?
	It's my eleventh year here.
	Eleven years.
	Other than this particular incident, do you have any reason to believe that there are things flying in our skies, you know, for these eleven years, and not just from your own experience, but talking to other controllers, that there are, in fact, things flying in our skies?
	I personally believe that, yes.
	Yes?
	Yes.
	I've heard of too many reports From general aviation pilots, or I guess last year there was a couple air carrier pilots saw something also.
	And then this morning, as we talked about earlier, Kansas City Center had the executive jet pilots.
	Exactly.
	And those are fairly high time jet pilots.
	They've seen a lot.
	And it obviously shook them up.
	Joe, you're using a pseudonym.
	Joe's not your real name.
	No, it is my real name.
	It is your real name.
	Yes, I was kind of laughing when you... We'll call him Joe, but that is my name.
	That is your name.
	That's my first name, yes.
	Not too many people, and we're really very thankful to the FAA for their sort of different attitude these days, and people like yourself, in reporting these things at all.
	Things have really changed, because there was a day when pilots, for their jobs, really didn't report these things.
	What's changed?
	The safety factor is the main thing I'm concerned with, and I'm sure the pilots are too.
	Something moving that fast, you can't miss it.
	Air carriers are.
	They're not as fast as what they saw.
	You don't need something like that up there.
	They don't know it's there.
	Is there any way you can judge the relative speed of the object based on what they reported?
	Obviously not what you saw.
	The only report I have to go by is what you played two weeks ago from the pilot they called in.
	I believe he said something to the effect of he was going 550 knots across the ground, and it just blew past him.
	Well, that's 3,000 knots, I would say.
	Yeah.
	There's some disagreement among the actual eyewitnesses, but certainly one, you're correct, Joe, certainly one of the crew members, his impression was that this object was moving very fast, going from their 10 o'clock to their 1130 position.
	In a relatively short period of time, but we'll hear more on that subject from the pilots themselves when they come on after the top of the hour.
	I'm looking forward to that.
	Joe, I really want to thank you for all you've gone through, both in reporting this and, I guess, getting the tape to Peter in time and so forth.
	It's been my pleasure.
	Thank you so much, Joe, and you have a good night.
	All right, you too.
	Thanks very much.
	Take care.
	There's Joe.
	Now, we're going to bring the pilots on.
	What I'd like to do, Art, is go back to this incident that occurred over Missouri, according to the FAA reports this morning.
	of the hour and I know that you've got a stack of reports there to just sort of
	Right.
	catch everybody up before we do that. What I'd like to do is go back to this
	incident that occurred over Missouri according to the FAA reports this
	morning. Right. This incident to sort of fill in the gaps.
	The first tape I played was just the original report that we received. That was
	followed by several hours of conversations and investigation and all sorts of
	things.
	Let me, if I may, play about an 81-second cut.
	This is an edited conversation I had with a supervisor who was on duty in the Kansas City Center this morning.
	And this is what he had to report to us after he'd been briefed on what had been reported by the actual aircraft to Kansas City Center.
	This is the conversation I had with a supervisor.
	Here we go.
	Good.
	Slightly southwest of Farrington, Missouri, a massive contrail at target.
	It says a puff of smoke with a puff of smoke due east.
	Thought it was a missile.
	The second aircraft, at 37,000 feet, reported the same traffic on TCAS, but no visual.
	Position of second aircraft was approaching 270 or 250 radial and 20 miles off of an intersection down there called Welts.
	Pilots were pretty energetic, shall we say, about their discussion.
	Of course, that's all on tape here at the center.
	If they got it on TCAS, the object must have had a transponder.
	Well, see, that's what I said.
	The controller selected his all primary to try to see if he could track it primary.
	He was getting no return of any sort near these aircraft that were at the visual on this airplane, or object, whatever it was.
	He said that, in fact, the one airplane came back to his frequency after he was given another frequency and said, I hope you don't think we're We're goofy about this and breathing funny oxygen, but he said, we definitely, everybody in the airplane saw this.
	And I said, well, no, that other pilot had indicated he'd seen it as well.
	What this gentleman was describing, he, you could almost tell he is reading from handwritten notes that had been given to him by the actual controller who talked to these aircraft.
	And I'll play that tape here in just a second.
	All right.
	But all of this was at about 38,000 feet.
	Yeah.
	One aircraft was at 39,000 feet.
	That was a Learjet.
	Right.
	And I believe he was headed to the Texas area.
	The other aircraft, a Beach BE-40, an executive jet, I believe was headed for Raleigh-Durham.
	And he was at 37,000 feet, 2,000 feet lower.
	They both saw the object As far as I know, at the same time.
	Once we get the tape from the FAA, we'll know more about this.
	But the object went between their altitudes.
	A thousand feet or less below the Learjet.
	Oh my!
	Apparently somewhat above the other aircraft.
	So it was close to both of them.
	Now something like that has got to shake the hell out of you.
	Apparently...
	The crews thought this was a significant event.
	He used the word energetic.
	Energetic was the description.
	I think I would be energetic, too.
	The object looked like a missile.
	I don't know what that means.
	Of course, there are many different types of missiles.
	But in these few remaining minutes before the top of the hour, let me go to about a minute and 40 second long cut.
	This is what the air traffic controller actually had to report to us.
	He is the gentleman who actually talked to the two flight crews this morning.
	This is what he had to report about the incident.
	Good.
	Here we go.
	Well, I was working a sector, and this Learjet asked if I had any traffic out ahead for him.
	And I said, no.
	He said, well, I've got something about 1,000 feet below coming right at me, you know.
	And I said there was no traffic in the area.
	And he said, it looked like a missile was coming at him.
	And I asked if anybody else in the area, there was another aircraft in the area, I hadn't seen
	anything.
	And he also said that he thought he saw something, too.
	But he thought it was a little bit lower than that.
	And it all happened kind of fast.
	And that was about it.
	There was no traffic in the area other than those two aircraft.
	And at 39,000 and 37,000 feet, and that was about it.
	And the object was just below him, huh?
	Well, the aircraft at 39,000 feet said it was about 1,000 feet below him.
	And he didn't know what it was.
	He said he kept looking for it on his T-cache.
	It had an onboard radar.
	And he said it never would pick it up.
	That's what he asked me.
	So they couldn't pick it up on TCAS.
	No, huh?
	That suggests either the object didn't have a transponder or it was turned off, I gather.
	Is that the case?
	Well, I would guess so.
	I wouldn't... Yeah, that's what I would presume.
	I presume you checked radar.
	Was there anything on radar?
	Yeah, I did.
	No, in fact, we have a... where we can pick up targets without transponders, and I couldn't pick anything up in the area.
	I'm pretty interested that, you know, one guy that first talked to me, you know, he's pretty...
	Excited about it, you know, shook up about it.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, he went on with shifting to another frequency.
	You know, he, you know, they're going along pretty fast.
	And he calls back up on my frequency about two, seven or eight minutes after it happened.
	Uh-huh.
	And, you know, you can tell he's still concerned and asking about, you know, was there a military operating area there?
	Yeah.
	You know, wanting to know what it was.
	And he, you know, gets talking about it.
	He said, you know, they just can't, couldn't quit.
	You know, he was pretty shook up about it, it sounded like.
	I don't know for, you know, I wondered what it was.
	You know, he'd never seen anything like it before.
	That's what happened.
	Man, I'm telling you, Peter, I'm really starting to get the feeling that all of this is breaking wide open and people aren't going to keep their mouths shut anymore.
	And this is going to push it to the edge, Peter.
	Those objects on the 26th of October and then again this morning, Veterans Day, the 11th of November, as far as I know, I'm not a specialist in this field.
	The pilots whom we're going to bring on here in a few minutes after the top of the hour are.
	I think I will ask them whether they have any possible explanation for why something like this would be at 37,000 feet or so in American airspace, unbeknownst to the people on the ground who control those aircraft.
	Well, I think that Joe, the FAA controller we just had on, hit it straight on.
	If for no other reason Safety.
	In other words, these guys are worried about who's 1,000 feet or 2,000 feet above them or below them or off to one side or the other.
	They all pay very close attention to this kind of thing.
	And if there are stray things, big things, going really fast, then, you know, we still don't know what brought down 990.
	As a matter of fact, we don't really know what brought down 800 for sure.
	There is a safety issue here.
	It's crossed my mind, too, Art.
	And I think most of all, the American people, the ladies and gentlemen who are listening to us tonight, who ride those aircraft every day of the week, who have loved ones on them... Have a right to know.
	They have a right to know, and the American government has a responsibility to start answering some questions to the American people.
	That's my opinion.
	Well, that's why I asked, Joe, whether there was any official channel For him to go through his employer, the federal government, and report this.
	And there isn't.
	And that concerns me, too.
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	In the skies of Texas, high above the skies of Texas, there was a UFO spotted by two commercial airline crews.
	We have members of both of those crews on the line.
	In addition, we have Peter Davenport, the man to whom the report was made by the FAA.
	We had Joe, the FAA controller, on in the last hour.
	So coming up in a moment, something I think you've never heard on commercial radio before.
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	As I mentioned, we've got two members of two airline crews, both of which saw and reported the same thing.
	From the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, once again, here is Peter Davenport.
	It happened in the skies over Texas when, Peter?
	It was on Tuesday morning, just about a little over two weeks ago, Tuesday morning, 26th of October, 1999.
	I think the first call was made at about 02.38 hours on the morning of that Tuesday.
	All right.
	What I want to do just before bringing them on, and by the way, they have never spoken to each other.
	As I called them up, I found out they've never talked to each other, Peter.
	Yeah.
	So this should be interesting.
	That's reflective of how busy these gentlemen are, and it underscores I think how grateful I am to them for taking this time out at odd hours to appear on this program.
	All right, for those in Chicago who have just joined us, I would like them to have the benefit of the actual FAA tape that you have in your possession, with the voices of the people we're about to hear from.
	Would you be so kind as to play that again, please?
	It's loaded and ready to go.
	Again, this is what two flight crews had to report to Fort Worth Center that Tuesday morning.
	What they saw at their altitude.
	Here we go.
	Two minutes, 40 seconds long, about.
	We just got a series of three very bright lights.
	It appeared at our 11 o'clock, and we don't know the distance, but 11 o'clock, and it's pretty far out there.
	I think probably in about maybe 20 miles or so.
	There's a formation of airplanes turning out there.
	I hate to sound like one of those lousy UFO reporters, but honestly guys, I've never seen anything like this before.
	We just saw 11 o'clock for Noto South Florida.
	It could be maybe 1,500 miles away, but it seemed very bright lights.
	It looked like they went out last time, uh, and then the lights appeared and then it disappeared.
	Does it have a fueling track out there or something like that, where everybody could have their lights on doing a refuel or something like that?
	Well, there are refueling tracks out there, but we don't have anybody in them right now.
	I would call that dead.
	And Delta 314, I'm hearing, uh, climate targets, but, uh, that's probably just, uh, some kind of, uh, a novelty.
	I don't believe there's any aircraft out there about, actually, about 11 or 12 o'clock, maybe 10 miles.
	Tell you what, uh, I'm not losing it.
	The copilot and I both saw it and, uh, I don't know what to tell you.
	It was very odd.
	Well, can you let me know if you see it again?
	We don't see any strobes or anything.
	The lights were far enough apart that leads me to believe that the airplanes were closer than further.
	And, uh, usually after the headlights turn away or the landing lights turn away, you can see strobes or something, but we don't see anything out there.
	The reason for this, may I ask any more questions?
	Is it really a flight at sea that we're seeing?
	It's really a flight at sea, and at first glance I would have thought it was a heavy refueling operation, but generally they don't happen this time of the morning.
	And it was a heavy fueling operation.
	I know the airplanes were in formation.
	I was being warned by the airplanes.
	The lights were far enough apart that it would lead me to believe that even a root formation
	or even a wider formation, they would be closer to us.
	Delta 314, roger.
	And approximately what altitude were they at next time?
	I'd say about an altitude, you know, close to my, a couple thousand feet.
	Delta 314, roger.
	I would definitely know if anybody in your altitude is true.
	419, 92, this is Delta 314.
	We have a 92, so we're still in the record.
	Okay, so that's two lights, about five minutes ago.
	It looks like somebody else is north of the island there.
	And we're going to have to find out what they're doing.
	That'd be a good mile away from us.
	Okay, and you had a 92 when you lost the talk?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so we're going to get some corroboration there.
	Got some corroboration now.
	All right, let us bring on the gentleman that did the reporting.
	Let's see if we've got everything together here.
	Captain Carl, are you there?
	Yes, sir.
	Good evening.
	Welcome to the program.
	Thank you very, very much for coming on, as a matter of fact.
	This is the first time I've ever had the pleasure of having A captain of a big airline come on to report something like this.
	Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, Captain?
	You flew, I guess, for the Air Force?
	Sure, yeah.
	I'm a retired military.
	Flew fighters for 25 years and retired from the Reserves in 1996.
	Uh-huh.
	It says you were a Warthog pilot?
	Yeah, one of those guys.
	And are you willing to say what kind of aircraft you fly now?
	737, the new generation 800 model.
	737-800?
	Mm-hmm.
	Ooh, those are the new ones.
	Nice aircraft.
	So nice, as a matter of fact.
	Loaded with all kinds of goodies.
	In what we just heard, Captain, You said at altitude, but you didn't say what altitude.
	What altitude, roughly, were you at?
	We were at 37,000 feet that night, and the three lights that we saw appeared to be at least at our altitude and perhaps higher.
	It's very difficult to tell even where the tops of storms are at altitude, and if the storms are any distance from you, Because of the curvature of the Earth and the speeds we fly, it's sometimes difficult to estimate whether or not you'll clear the top of a storm at altitude, so it's even more difficult to estimate altitude at night, certainly.
	Sure.
	Are you convinced, Captain, that what you saw were three separate aircraft, or is it possible you were seeing one craft of some type?
	I saw the write-up on Mr. Davenport's website and it implied that there was one object with three lights on it, a sizable object.
	That was not my impression.
	Having done lots of night air refueling and joined up on one or more tankers in formation who had their lights on.
	That was my first impression.
	It appeared to be a flight of three tankers, if you will, Air Force tankers.
	Back in the days when I used to do that, we would often approach each other head on at altitude and the tankers would be a thousand feet higher than we would be.
	They would have all their lights illuminated, of course, for visibility to aid us in spotting the tankers for the rejoin.
	And then at about nine miles or so, they would be at coast speed, generally in the neighborhood of 250, 260 knots, and they would start a 180 degree turn, and we would join up behind them.
	That is, again, my first impression of what I saw.
	Three large transport category airplanes with landing lights on.
	However, these lights were, I'd say, 30 to 40 percent brighter than than what I was normally used to seeing.
	That led me to believe that these airplanes, if they were in fact airplanes, were closer
	and certainly close enough for radar to have picked them up.
	When they just turned and disappeared at 3.30 in the morning my time or 3.40 in the morning
	my time, it's something you have a little time to talk about, so I thought I'd ask the
	center.
	What they had out there, just out of curiosity.
	You said a left turn.
	That's what it appeared like to me.
	My co-pilot disputed that.
	He said that he thought the lights just simply faded as if they were turned down by a re-ascent.
	Okay, I think we have Jose on the line, too.
	Are you there, Jose?
	Yeah.
	Uh, is a co-pilot for what we'll call Southern Airlines, another major airlines, and he flies, uh, you want to tell us the kind of aircraft you fly?
	Airbus.
	An Airbus, uh, A320?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you were, um, where with respect to Captain Carl?
	Actually, he was about a hundred miles to my left, about my eleven o'clock position over Dallas.
	Uh, would the two of you have been able to see each other?
	I could see him.
	You would have to look backwards to see me.
	I see.
	And again, Captain Carl, you said left turn.
	So it either faded out or made a left turn or sort of started left and then faded?
	Well, again, my impression was they appear to be what I would characterize as tankers or transport category aircraft.
	Except they weren't.
	Well, who knows what they were?
	They started what appeared to me to be a left turn, and it was just like what I was used to seeing in a rejoin for a refueling operation.
	The lights just faded from view, consistent with what I've seen for years.
	Wouldn't these kind of aircraft have a transponder operating in that kind of busy airspace?
	They certainly would, sure.
	Of course, if they were military airplanes and they were conducting in normal Well, you'll have to talk to your traffic control experts about that.
	And if not, then they could be at least painted with radar, regular radar.
	Well, you'll have to talk to your traffic control experts about that.
	Believe it or not, a lot of the data received by the guys at the center is transmitted by the transponders themselves,
	which really enhances the target imaging.
	Well, that has to do a lot with the between aircraft.
	The ATC will not be able to see that.
	Jose, you just heard Captain Carl describe what he saw.
	Is that, in essence, what you saw, or did you have a different view?
	Actually, it was totally different.
	What I saw was It wasn't so much that... I've been refueling as well.
	I flew the F-16, but I never saw anything like this.
	You flew the F-16 for the Air Force as well?
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	F-16.
	F-16.
	That's a hog.
	Right, I gotcha.
	And so, you've never seen anything like this.
	You've seen typical refueling formations before.
	In what way did this differ?
	Oh, it differed quite a bit.
	Refueling lights on the bottom, coming in, On DC-10, KC-10 should I say, or 135, are totally different from this.
	From the respect of how far it was, you have your wing lights, which you have on your airliners, and you have them as well on tankers and whatnot, but you never see them this bright.
	The lights we use for refueling are underneath.
	So you're both saying they were 30, 40% brighter or more?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	It's not a light you normally see, unless you're sitting about five feet in front of it and one of the airliners turns on their taxi lights.
	For the two of you, if nothing else, is this a big safety issue?
	If something's out there flying around like this and nobody can identify that close to commercial airliners?
	I would say so.
	Personally, I would say so.
	What it was, I have no idea.
	If it was something that we do have, why would it be over in Dallas, Texas?
	I don't think it.
	But of course it would be.
	Because the fact that you can't see it on radar is even worse.
	Is there any way that either one or both of you can estimate the speed of this object
	based on your speed?
	Thank you.
	No, I don't think so.
	It's difficult to tell speeds.
	It's virtually impossible for us to tell speeds of other objects or other airplanes.
	That's true.
	It is tough to tell how fast other guys are going.
	Personally, I was going about 0.8.
	0.8 Mach.
	0.8 Mach.
	And that's basically what we cruised.
	The 800, I have no clue what they cruised that being a newer airplane.
	We got the same ballpark.
	Okay.
	And from our perspective, it was moving a little bit faster.
	From the position of where you guys were and where we were, it was moving a little bit faster.
	I would have thought initially, what are our fighters doing up here?
	Torching their afterburners and moving so fast in the formation.
	They did start to move forward in a faster manner than us and were only going .8.
	Their movement would indicate to me at least that they were at least going .9 for a fighter and that's what initially we thought they were.
	Did either one of you see the formation Break.
	In other words, we were discussing whether it might be a single aircraft or several aircraft.
	One might imagine you'd see some change in the formation indicating somebody was moving out of position.
	Did you see that?
	No.
	It was consistent with a formation of three airplanes turning together and then they faded together.
	They never went apart.
	Right.
	Faded together.
	Right.
	The whole three, the bright lights.
	The bright lights faded all at the same time and consistent with a turn or a left turn of large airplanes.
	My question for Jose is, I'm not aware of any fighters that have landing lights that are bright, number one.
	Number two, I'm not aware of any fighters, and I could be wrong, it could be my ignorance, but no fighters that I know I agree with you.
	They didn't look like anything I've seen.
	If they were 37,000 feet, their career speed would be so high that they couldn't extend
	the landing gear.
	So that's what makes me believe it was not any kind of a fighter aircraft.
	I agree with you.
	They didn't look like anything I've seen.
	The first thought we had was there's three fighters up there torching their afterburners
	and moving in a fast pace.
	Thank you.
	And it faded somewhat, but nothing like a fighter would.
	There are no aircraft and fighters that I know of that have lights that bright at that altitude, and if they did, I have no idea why they would have Right, yeah.
	Why would they have put a momma?
	Because we never did that in Albuquerque.
	Well, the two of you... We didn't either, so I have no idea.
	Okay, the two of you are 100 miles apart.
	Is it likely you would have both seen the lights fade or disappear at the same time?
	We had to have.
	I would think so.
	Of course, Jose had the additional advantage of being able to see us.
	We could not see him because he was kind of behind us, but it also gives him some A little bit, maybe, better perspective on their movement, because he had something to compare it to in the sky.
	We had nothing.
	All right.
	Gentlemen, if you would, hold on for a moment.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll take a brief break and come back and finish with you.
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	And we're talking about something that happened in the skies over Texas.
	On 26 October 99.
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	Good morning. We're talking about something that happened over Texas on the 26th of October
	at about 02.38 hours, 02.38 in the morning, I presume local time, about 38,000 feet or
	so. We've got two crew members from separate major airline crews, and they're going to
	major airline crew.
	We're not going to identify the airlines.
	One was a Boeing 737-800, brand new, and the other An Airbus A320.
	And once again, along with Peter Davenport, gentlemen, you're back on the air again.
	So, Captain Carl, you said that it was very much like a refueling operation, but I guess without a transponder operating, without the air traffic controller being aware of it occurring in the area, it seems unlikely that's what it was, or if it was, then it was irresponsible.
	Is that fair?
	I'm not so sure it was irresponsible.
	The military does conduct black operations, but the inconsistency there is that they're conducting a black operation.
	I'm not sure if there's any obligation to report that to air traffic control, especially at that time of night if they're at sufficiently high altitude.
	It wouldn't happen over Dallas.
	It wouldn't happen over Dallas, Texas, right.
	It would be over the Adriatic to deal with the Bosney operation or something like that.
	We would refuel out there and turn things off.
	Irresponsible, I guess, is a strong word, but in very busy airspace up at the altitude where you guys fly, it is sort of irresponsible, it seems to me.
	So, as you point out, they'd probably be somewhere else.
	You seemed very anxious to have this reported.
	We talked to Joe, the air traffic controller, and he said you seemed very anxious to have this reported to somebody.
	Well, Joe and I were talking about this while you were on break, and I was interested in what we saw at first, and then I became very interested when I learned from ATC that They had nothing on radar.
	And the lights I saw were bright enough that if they were, in fact, tanker aircraft or transport category aircraft, they definitely would have been within 10 miles of us.
	And if that were the case, then they would have been, if not talking to the same controller I was talking to, they would have been talking to the guy in the next sector.
	And if my memory serves, neither the guy that We talked to, or the guy in the next sector which he checked with on the landline, had anything out there at all.
	And I seem to recall, I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I seem to recall that they checked the sector beyond that, even in that direction, and no one had anything on radar at all.
	Captain, how do you feel about reporting, both of you feel about reporting Do you have qualms about it career wise?
	I do not.
	Personally, I do not.
	It doesn't bother me.
	We all saw something.
	We all have a pretty consistent view as to what it was.
	It either existed or it didn't exist.
	Say what you will, but we saw the objects and nobody knows what they were and nobody has anything on radar.
	In your years of flying, have you seen anything like it before?
	I never have.
	I've been doing this for about 31 years now and I've never seen anything that I could label a UFO or anything that couldn't be explained, at least in some fashion.
	When I called Mr. Davenport the other day, I think one of the first things I said to him was, I never thought I'd be calling the UFO Reporting Center hotline.
	I'm not sure that I believe in these kinds of things, but at the same time, I'm pretty open-minded about just about everything, and I think there's a lot of things that are possible.
	Absolutely, sure.
	Jose, how about you, reporting these things?
	Have you ever seen anything like this before?
	I've flown in the military, I've been flying military since 79 and I've never seen anything like this.
	Even though I've done a lot of refueling, done a lot of different things in the military, but I can honestly explain, but at this altitude, What I saw was nothing I've ever seen.
	We basically saw some type of shape.
	If we do have it, why were we flying it over Dallas?
	Yeah, indeed, over Dallas.
	You said some sort of shape.
	Do you lean more toward the possibility that this was one single object as opposed to three, Jose?
	Yes, I do.
	I honestly do.
	In fact, the formation was so perfect, as the lights dimmed, you could actually see something, a faint outline between the lights.
	My co-pilot said that.
	Actually, Captain Carl, he'll say his UFO reported the same thing.
	My co-pilot said that.
	He said that there was an interconnect of some description, and I did not see that.
	I attributed both Jose's comment and my co-pilot's comment to perhaps a glare on the windshield
	or just something in the glass.
	Well, myself personally, we had all the lights off, so I cannot contribute that to any glare whatsoever.
	I would say there could be a possibility of seeing a faint contrail at that altitude, but to see it in two different That's a great line.
	If you see it from one light to another and one light to the other, I can't say that,
	but that is a possibility.
	After seeing this, do the two of you have sort of a different attitude about what might
	be up there?
	Well, like they say, it would be a total waste of space.
	That's a great line.
	You're exactly right.
	That's true.
	Peter, could I get just a brief question in here, Art?
	Go.
	Principally for Jose, who saw apparently those faint white lines between the lights as the lights faded out.
	As the lights faded, did they all dim at the same rate?
	Yes, they did.
	They did?
	At least from my point of view, yes, they did.
	I agree with that.
	They were all on one rheostat, and somebody was just turning down the rheostat.
	Basically, somebody went down the stairs and turned them all down at the same time.
	That's what it appeared from our cockpit, that yes, they all just started dimming.
	It's not like a quick out, and they're gone.
	It dimmed very, very slowly.
	Your eyesight is still pretty good.
	You can see it for a little bit longer, but yes, it dimmed very, very slowly.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	It's hard to imagine, for example, three aircraft in formation, let's say a military formation, and if they were afterburners, for example, everybody retarding power So precisely that their afterburners would all look the same as they got smaller and shorter.
	Even the Thunderbirds aren't that good.
	No, they're not.
	In fact, they'll be over here in Phoenix coming up here this weekend.
	So I have to watch them.
	Well, both of you gentlemen should know there was an incident over Missouri.
	In which couple of, um, I guess Learjet pilot was it, Peter?
	Yeah, Lear and a, uh, Beech BE-40 pilot.
	Both saw something, uh, similar to what you saw, uh, go shooting by them and, uh, shook them up but good.
	So, there's a lot going on in the skies, and you gentlemen are not alone.
	But I want to thank you both for coming on.
	Is there anything either one of you want to add?
	Go for it, Carl.
	No, I, uh, uh...
	I would like to hear more from air traffic control just to know how exhaustive or how thorough an after action investigation they conducted just to see if anybody had any kind of traffic in any other sectors.
	The only other explanation I could come up with for what we saw, if it were not three transport category aircraft.
	Would be.
	I'm not sure if this is really possible, and it doesn't seem to be possible on a night like the night we had the other night, but perhaps there was some kind of reflection of actual aircraft that were much, much further away than they appeared off of some layer in the atmosphere that I'm not aware of.
	I'm not even sure that's possible.
	I've heard like a reverse mirage effect or something like that.
	Well, that's kind of interesting, Aaron.
	You know, I think it'd be kind of difficult at that time.
	Well, the only reason I discount that theory, I mean, I brought it up because I'm just looking for possibilities, but the reason I discount that theory is because on a nice, clear, cold night like that, I don't think any kind of inversion layer would exist.
	The upper altitude winds would certainly destroy it.
	I just have absolutely no other explanation.
	Again, the thing that still lingers to pique my curiosity is the fact that we all thought the lights were very bright, they should have been very close, and there was nothing on radar at all.
	Exactly.
	I would go the same way and think, with that whole situation, it does awaken me a little bit more.
	I never thought I would see anything like that whatsoever.
	I've heard people say things and you're very skeptic about what they say and what you see and what they would do, but you just never know.
	And now, you fly with a different perspective.
	You really do.
	You wake up out there at night, especially at night now.
	It might be both good to know that the air traffic controller, I asked the air traffic controller that we had on in the first hour, if there was any official channel For him to report this to within the federal government.
	He works for the federal government.
	He said no.
	There really isn't.
	I think the Air Force dropped Project Blue Book, which was the official UFO reporting office, if you will, and they dropped that some years ago.
	Whether it be for funding or whatever, but they discontinued Operation Blue Book at least As far as I know, as far as the public is concerned, that was done away with some years ago.
	Well, gee whiz, if for no other reason than safety, maybe we ought to have it going again if we keep getting these reports with this kind of frequency from people like you.
	Well, the FAA wants to come up with this new program called, what is it, Jose?
	Free Flight, where everybody's going to be doing their own air traffic controlling.
	Excuse me, that makes me a little bit uncomfortable.
	Well, they seem to think that the technology exists for us to be able to use basically super keycasts to conduct our own air traffic control separation at altitudes.
	I'm not real keen on that idea.
	That would be a long time coming.
	Personally, I don't think our union nor would our airline go for something like that.
	Because there's a lot of factors that go into a flight at night.
	And yes, it's easy to see lights in the distance.
	And transponder or not, you never know how a little electric shock or a little thunderstorm in the area could affect electrics like that.
	But I don't know about that.
	I wouldn't bet that that's going to be in the making anytime really soon.
	Well, gentlemen, I want to thank you both for coming on the air, and welcome to the club.
	Okay, well, thanks very much.
	We'll definitely be more awake and alert in the future on the road.
	Well, we're all for that anyway.
	Thank you, and good night, gentlemen.
	All right, there you go.
	Peter?
	Boy, what a report that was.
	Yeah, what a report that was, and if you listen carefully, And I think properly so, because we do not know what that object was.
	We don't know what those three lights were.
	Anomalous?
	out, this is my interpretation, and was reaching out for any other explanation that just might
	explain it.
	I think properly so, because we do not know what that object was.
	We don't know what those three lights were.
	Anomalous, yes, they were anomalous, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily came from
	somewhere other than this planet.
	I suspect there are a lot of things that our military and our intelligence agencies are
	working on that I guess conceivably could explain that, but it comes back to the points
	that both those gentlemen made, and that is why would they do it over Dallas?
	Why would they be flying in commercial air lanes and not be talking to the air traffic control system?
	Why would they not show up on radar?
	Why do they not have a transponder?
	Why are their lights anomalous?
	Why do they not have standard lighting systems to alert other aircraft?
	I mean, because of any one of those anomalies, if they bump into somebody up there and cause a disaster, then the people who put it there are on the hook for liability.
	Oh, the air crew member just said it'd be such a terrible waste of space.
	Peter, we're out of time.
	You're the National UFO Reporting Center.
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	One hell of a report, Peter.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I'd like to say on those hours, prefer 8 a.m.
	to midnight, and this has been a 17-hour day for me, so it's non-emergency tonight.
	I'd ask that people delay their calls until a later day if they could.
	In other words, unless you've got a saucer 20 feet away, Peter wants to get some sleep tonight.
	Unless they're small and gray and on your hood ornament, don't call me tonight.
	Thank you, Peter.
	Thanks, Arch.
	It's been a pleasure.
	Good night.
	But as many of you know, most of you know, the U.S.
	government for 20 years conducted, with $20 million or more, a secret experiment in the ability of the human mind to be able to detect things and objects at a great distance, the other side of the world, gas canisters in Iraq, what have you.
	It was called, and is called, Remote Viewing.
	And we're about to embark into the world of Major Ed Daines.
	And so I will warn you, as if the last couple of hours did not, that we're going to be dealing with topics that are pretty far out there.
	In fact, in some cases, really far out there.
	And so if you have children in the room, I suggest you dispatch them to something more comforting.
	If you, even you yourself, are subject to being scared by a prediction, and I know that Ed would chaff at the word prediction.
	It's not prediction as far as Ed is concerned.
	It is simply what is seen.
	And we'll describe a little bit of that to you as we talk about remote viewing in general.
	But what we've got coming up for you is going to be nothing short of absolutely fascinating.
	For example, the two pilots that you just heard on, the pilot and co-pilot of different major aircraft flying in the skies over Texas.
	Earlier today, I guess I should tell you, I asked Ed to take a look at this situation for me.
	And he has done that, I presume.
	He has also looked at Flight 990, EgyptAir Flight 990, Now, more of a mystery than ever.
	The more we find out about this, the more we realize we don't know.
	So coming up after the break, it's SciTech's Major Ed Dames, and we're going to cover all kinds of ground, so be warned, some pretty strange stuff lies directly ahead.
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	Ed Dames is coming right up.
	EgyptAir.
	The mystery of EgyptAir Flight 990 has deepened yet again today after examination.
	Flight data recorder indicated that, get this folks, everything was normal until the autopilot disengaged and the plane suddenly descended.
	Ed Kraler, head of the Aeronautics and Astronautics Department of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said a sudden decompression could have occurred from an explosive device ripping a hole in the fuselage.
	High Seas Today halted the search for the plane's other black box, that of the cockpit voice recorder, and this one really, really is a mystery.
	And I'm going to add to that mystery a little bit right now for you.
	I was sent the following from the Boston Herald, or at least a copy of the Boston Herald newspaper, and I would presume somebody who was local to that area.
	Richard Brokaw is his name, was one of the unfortunate 217 victims of the downing of 990.
	And in part, this is what jolted me when I read it, and I immediately passed it naturally on to Richard Hoagland, who has, I believe, the whole thing on his website.
	But quoting this article in part, referring to Mr. Brokaw and what he had done in his life, it says, after the war, Mr. Brokaw obtained a Ph.D.
	in physical chemistry from Princeton University.
	He worked, brace yourself, for NASA At the Lewis Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio, where he specialized in combustion research and the physical chemistry of high-temperature gases.
	In 1972, he was awarded the NASA Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement.
	He retired in 1973 as Director of the Division of Physics and Chemistry after 22 years, 22 years with NASA.
	And he was on flight 990, Egyptair 990, for some reason, we don't yet know why, on his way to Egypt.
	And we thought we should pass that information on to you, and I know Richard, on his website, has a more detailed recitation of the Boston Herald article that I sent him earlier today, but that definitely Caught my attention, and you can certainly imagine it caught Richard's.
	Coming up in a moment, SciTech's Major Ed Dames.
	All right, all right, all right.
	Here comes somebody who is actually involved in the U.S.
	Government Remote Viewing Program.
	He's in the private sector now.
	He heads a company called SciTech.
	He is now based, not in California where he was, But as he told us he would do, somewhere in the Hawaiian Islands, here is SciTech's Major Ed Dames.
	Ed, welcome to the program.
	Arthur Bell.
	This is Arthur Dames at your service.
	It's great to have you back.
	Always, Ed, always.
	Listen, there is so much going on that I almost don't know where to start, but I think I would like to start with what we just heard.
	Earlier today, I told you I gave you the rough outline What was going to be on the air tonight?
	You know, two commercial airline pilot crews coming on and laying out what they actually saw, and I said, if you have time, take a look at this if you would.
	It occurred over the skies of Texas, and I even told you I think the airline companies, which I'm not mentioning on the air.
	And so you got to hear them, and I wonder if earlier today you took a look at this.
	I realize it's not enough time to really get into something like this, but what did you come up with?
	It was enough time.
	Technical remote viewing is a pretty good problem solving tool.
	It's rapid.
	In cases like this, anybody with intermediate skills in TRV could solve a problem like this in about an hour and a half or two hours.
	I did look at it, but I wanted good target reference material.
	I went to Peter Davenport's website.
	And I downloaded a little paragraph on that October 26th incident, and so I looked at this anomaly.
	Now, when I target something like this, our brain is an oscillator, and our unconscious mind has access to all things as patterns of information.
	But I need to turn my unconscious attention to the right target, so that I can objectify the data I don't necessarily call this an unidentified object.
	and make sure I'm on the right target.
	Sure.
	So I don't necessarily call this an unidentified object.
	I don't assume in my business that what meets the eye is real.
	It could be an artifact in the brains of the observer pilots, for instance,
	and not an object at all.
	Although that does seem unlikely in the case of two separate crews a hundred miles apart.
	It does, I agree with you, but I take nothing for granted.
	We go into a problem clean.
	So I call this only an anomaly.
	An anomalous event.
	That's it.
	That's enough.
	We don't want to inject noise into the search term.
	Gotcha.
	So you just go to look for an anomalous event on that date above the Texas skies near Dallas-Fort Worth?
	Using Peter Davenport's report, because that's important.
	That way this chain of custody, his mind, his consciousness, is focused on the pilot's report.
	Gotcha.
	They observe something that they call an anomaly.
	And I use Peter Davenport's report, so this chain of custody, so to speak, at the unconscious level.
	Okay.
	Yes, okay.
	Okay.
	That was not an alien object.
	We talked about alien objects before, but it was a real object, a single object, not three.
	Those were not lights.
	Those were control surfaces.
	That was an electro-hydrodynamic vehicle.
	A what?
	It was an electro-hydrodynamic vehicle, the new generation post-stealth.
	Stealth is about 20 years old now, and just as the SR-71, this super-performance observation aircraft that we had is now mothballed, stealth is about to be mothballed too.
	This is something that is beyond stealth.
	It doesn't use propellants.
	Propellants are primitive, very, very primitive.
	So the Air Force, oh, 15, almost 20 years ago now, was looking at new modalities of propulsion, advanced propulsion, and the idea of using a propellant that gets used up in the atmosphere was really, even 20 years ago, beginning to be considered primordial.
	So, surfaces, electro-hydrostatic surfaces, were one of the options that were thought
	about as an advanced aircraft.
	I use the term aircraft loosely.
	The way this works, I think you're familiar somewhat with the concept.
	It's an advanced propulsion vehicle and it converts electrical energy into kinetic energy.
	It has to be done in a finesse, in a very fine way, similar to a Porsche engine.
	If it's not tuned exactly right, it doesn't run at all.
	So, what this craft does, I'll call it a craft, is It's a manned vehicle.
	There's a complement of two in it, a pilot, co-pilot.
	It is a delta-shaped wing.
	The lights that the pilots are reporting are actually ionized surfaces.
	Instead of a jet engine, you have an ionized surface that changes the hydrostatic pressure in this dielectric media called air.
	It pulses.
	Well, I'll say this, Ed.
	and negative charge outward, and this thing pulls itself along by its bootstraps electromagnetically
	through the atmosphere, like a capacitor would being turned on and off.
	Those are loose descriptions.
	And that is this new generation of vehicles that we have, and they're very, very fast.
	Well, I'll say this, Ed.
	If we don't have them, I would be more surprised than not.
	in other words obviously stealth is now old news
	Really old news, as you pointed out.
	We've got to be... Yeah, this was tested at night.
	Remember?
	Stealth was one of the best protected secrets that this country had.
	All the flights were flown at night.
	Sure.
	But we've got to be now generations, plural, ahead of stealth.
	So, what you say is... This is prototype number three.
	This is an advanced prototype of what was called Aurora in the past.
	This is an advanced prototype.
	It's almost ready.
	It's probably a fielded version.
	Of a very fast attack bomber.
	The only thing that puzzles me is why such an aircraft would be in really busy commercial airspace over Dallas.
	Because it can see everything else, Art.
	It has no problem avoiding anything.
	Any bogeys, might as well be civilian aircraft.
	It can fly through them like a skier on a slalom.
	Well Ed, if that's what it was, it's scaring the hell out of flight crews.
	Well, it really will scare the hell out of a potential enemy, because in its bomb bay, it's a delivery system for nuclear weapons, so it's a lot more scarier to a potential enemy.
	I hear that.
	Alright, we're going to cover a million things tonight, Ed, but you predicted a biological attack in New York.
	Specifically, you mentioned Shea Stadium.
	Remember that?
	I was saying that what Nostradamus was looking at was the King of Terror.
	That's right.
	You were actually remote-viewing Nostradamus' quatrain.
	That's right.
	We're trying to get behind Nostradamus' quatrain to put into contemporary vernacular what this 15th century Frenchman was seeing.
	All right.
	Well, I've got somebody who has faxed the following.
	And they wonder, though, even though it was a little later, time-wise, which I know with remote viewing, time is the most difficult thing to assess.
	Because mine is outside of time.
	Time is fourth dimension.
	Mine is in the fifth dimension, so it looks down on that.
	So, this person says, you know what, I think Ed was right.
	Look at this West Nile fever, so-called, that emerged where?
	In New York, in September.
	And we've done a lot on the West Nile thing, and there's a very strong probability, Ed, that it was a manufactured virus.
	The people, the scientists that Linda Moulton Howell has talked to said it's either one of two things, a natural mutation or a man-made mutation, the West Nile virus.
	Now, could that have been what you saw?
	No.
	No, we were very specific.
	In fact, I remember Nightline, Ted Koppel's Nightline, a few weeks ago had an entire scenario that matched my report on your show about the potential use of anthrax on the subway or stadium.
	The reason that was released is to decompress the public, because intelligence agencies really know that something like that is in the offing.
	What do you mean decompress?
	Our decompression is a desensitization to prepare the public for such a scenario, and sometimes intelligence agencies will purposely leak information because they wring their hands.
	They can't stop an event like that, and they want to be able to at least alert the public in some way to do something, so sometimes news media will be used as vehicles I mean, people find ways to get information to me from credible sources that want to remain anonymous, and I really mean credible.
	I get these reports, and I guess I'm at a point in my life where I don't give a damn anymore, so I usually report them to the audience.
	I mean, if I hear it, I report it, and then something turns out to be true.
	More times than not.
	I think they use my program, Ed.
	I'm used.
	I have no doubt about it.
	Well, the West Nile virus variant appears to be of natural origin.
	The etiology is the same as basically any other virus.
	Aircraft fly so fast And so often, and carry so many people, we're going to see what was called orphan diseases in the past, because they were subtropical, being carried into temperate climates, and mutations will do just fine now.
	Mosquito-borne diseases in the East Coast, it's real now.
	Well, of course, you predicted more and more of this emerging viruses, you can call them, whether they're emerging from labs or just from nature.
	And they are definitely emerging.
	We're getting more and more of them.
	The scientists are now a little bit worried that mosquitoes are going to go dormant.
	And they're a little bit worried about what's going to happen in the spring when they come alive again.
	And should they be concerned, Ed?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Not just about viral infections, but bacterial infections too.
	Diseases will ravage us.
	The environment seems to be getting harsher and harsher.
	Surely the weather has changed.
	It's not just changing.
	It has changed, Ed.
	And we can talk about why that's happened.
	The sun is going nuts right now.
	I just looked at it a few minutes ago.
	We've got 320 rounded sunspots and we're just really cranking up toward the peak.
	CNN has been running.
	ed uh... story saying the other why two k problem and they've been doing a lot
	on the side it's like are they actually could forget why to keep prepare for the
	solar max they actually like i think and paying for two and a half years your
	you're dead right at that right now we have it with a clip point to carry
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	all that right there will be right back on mark that
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	A remote viewer, Ed Dames, from SciTech.
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	He was very much involved in the official U.S.
	government secret project, and when that terminated, they say, he formed a private company and now resides in Hawaii for reasons that will become apparent.
	In a moment, we're going to ask about Egypt Air Flight 990.
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	Once again, here's Major Ed Dames.
	Ed, the country has been gripped.
	CNN went into full-time coverage when the Egypt Air 990 went down.
	Originally, they thought it went straight down, from 33,000 feet down to crissmash in the ocean.
	in 36 seconds now we have learned through radar data and the retrieval of the black box that this aircraft for some absolutely mysterious reason went from 33,000 feet down to 16 and then up to about 23 and then to the ocean in other words it did what the FAA called a controlled descent they actually use those words And came down from 33,000 feet, something you just don't do in a commercial airliner without notification of ground control and that sort of thing.
	And then plunged into the ocean.
	It actually also climbed from that altitude just prior to the plunge.
	So there's the autopilot disconnected.
	There's all kinds of mysteries surrounding what the hell happened to Egypt Air 990.
	You've looked at it.
	What have you found?
	First, I'd like to express my condolences to those who lost loved ones aboard that flight.
	As many of your listeners know, we have a good example of the way that we attack a problem like this on our website.
	You remember the letters and reports that we sent to the NTSB on TWA Flight 800 where we said that the air-driven pump in System 3 That is the right inboard engine that the pump shattered and the shrapnel punctured the fuel tank.
	It was indeed a mechanical error.
	That's absolutely what you said, yes.
	And that full report along with our diagrams and descriptions is available on our website as well as media that you can view if you're interested in it.
	And that is, by the way, the most conventionally bought explanation for what happened.
	So, okay, that was flight 800.
	Now this one.
	Now this one.
	So, the way as technical remote viewers, the way that we attack the problem is to simply look for this pattern of information, cause and effect.
	We know what the effect is.
	The effect is a crash, a crash to aircraft.
	We're looking for the cause, and those two patterns of information are directly linked in the collective unconscious, so it's an easily searchable term, and it doesn't take a lot of skill to ferret out the answer.
	So Egypt Air Flight 990 crashed, and we're looking for the cause of that crash.
	That's how we search this.
	After about 45 minutes of work, we have an answer.
	The answer is that there was a very violent altercation in the cockpit.
	One of the crew members, or it could have been a flight attendant, it was not a passenger, attacked the pilot from behind.
	There was a very violent altercation that followed.
	Members of the crew tried to hold down a single individual, but the individual got up again and essentially went postal in the cockpit.
	That is why When the cockpit voice recorder is retrieved, you'll hear that on the recorder.
	That should be retrievable as soon as the seas reach lower levels.
	Here's a question for you, and this calls for speculation, unfortunately.
	If that's what occurred, assuming they recover the cockpit voice recorder, Would they release that, Ed, or not?
	Actually, that's an interesting question.
	My fiance asked me that yesterday.
	I think that the answer is yes, because we're dealing with the safety of passengers.
	If something breaks on an aircraft, The airline industry needs to know that, and people need to know that, so that fix occurs.
	If something is wrong with a crew member, in this case, I know a little about the crew member.
	This individual was not balanced, felt very offended at something, and that's as much as I know.
	I did not go into the individual's mind or backtrack to his home life.
	It was a male.
	I think that it was a male.
	It was a male that attacked the pilot from behind, yes.
	Either a crew member or possibly a flight attendant.
	It was not one of the passengers.
	The passengers were oblivious to this until the plane descended.
	Well, I don't know what to say to that.
	Well, it will come out.
	I'm pretty sure they've got a lock on the cockpit voice recorder, so if they retrieve that, it's going to have to come out.
	And the reason it would have to come out is simply to better screen crew members in the future for stability, emotional and mental stability.
	I think that even something like that would have to occur.
	We do that in our armed forces in submarine crews, for instance.
	I'm not saying the same criteria should be applied.
	You never fail to blow me away.
	Every time you're on this program, I think you're going one place, and you go someplace altogether different.
	Well, it's just direct knowledge.
	We all have these conspiracy theories, and we think.
	The mind tries to figure it out.
	But the truth is always very simple, very direct.
	That's why I love my work.
	Remote viewing is a great tool.
	It gets you right to the answers.
	Nothing hides.
	Even more interesting is to turn the tool onto oneself.
	Take a look at those unanswered questions in your own life.
	Well, I know that certainly in all the early years, you worked with real nuts and bolts stuff.
	I mean, remote viewing can be called nuts and bolts.
	It really can't.
	But I mean, looking for gas canisters or looking for biological development areas or that sort of thing for our governments.
	At some point there, you began to see anomalous phenomena, various sorts of anomalous phenomena, which began leaking into the information retrieval.
	That actually began even during the military aspect of what you did, and certainly has followed on and even gone a lot further, I think, with SciTech.
	When was it that began to happen, and How did you handle that?
	Well, I think you're referring to the UFO problem.
	Well, maybe.
	Not just that.
	Another enigma.
	Enigma.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Well, anomalies.
	We have to remember that as humans, you know, think of ourselves as a sensory system.
	We're really, we're bandwidth limited in terms of our eyesight.
	We can only see so far, just a little bit into the ultraviolet.
	A little bit into the infrared if we're lucky sometimes.
	That's true.
	Other creatures that have eyes or visual receptors, you know, things that appear in the ultraviolet to us that might be anomalous, such as a ghost, for instance.
	Or one of Jose Escamilla's rods, for instance.
	Correct.
	Something that is so fast the eye cannot pick it up.
	That's what I mean by bandwidth limited.
	We can't process information that of a phenomenon that is too slow or, for instance, the growth of a plant.
	That's too slow for us to process.
	That's right.
	We don't see it.
	We can sit there and stare at it.
	We don't see it, even though it is occurring.
	Yes, or something that's very rapid.
	Our brain does not process information like that.
	So to us, to detect something like that on, let's say, a film camera, We would call that an anomaly, but in fact, it's just part of nature, part of the natural world.
	It's actually all around us, and we don't have the slightest hint of it because of our limited bandwidth.
	Either that, or that it has not presented itself to us before.
	It's not in our experiential database.
	We could live and die, perhaps, and never have been presented with, let's say, a tornado or something like that, and when it occurs it
	would definitely be an anomaly because we haven't seen it before.
	It would be a discontinuity in our experience.
	Well, all right.
	There's apparently a lot of that out there, this anomalous phenomena, and it's a big step
	from a gas canister in Iraq to some sort of being or presence or...
	That's all right.
	What am I searching for here?
	A ghost.
	UFOs.
	All of these are perfect examples of things that are outside of our frame of reference, and yet you ran into them anyway.
	What I'm wondering is how disruptive that was to what you were doing.
	We ran into a lot of things like that, and I don't think that any of it was disruptive.
	It just, personally, it got my attention to the point where I was more interested in the enigma than in my military targets.
	Well, yeah, but you were always looking for any and guarding against any corruption of the data that you were receiving, and so this had to be a concern in that area, didn't it?
	It was.
	This is a skill.
	It was a breakthrough discovery.
	It was a top secret.
	We did not want the Russians to know how accurate we were, who we were, what we were doing.
	We talked about that on previous programs.
	Even though my attention was drawn to these enigmas, the thing that threw me was one particular class of enigma that It appeared to influence the quality and substance of the
	data that we were downloading from our targets.
	To me, that meant that something new, I used to call it an outside agency, some outside
	agency knew that we were using our unconscious minds in this skill to download information
	about a target, a person, a place, a thing, or an event.
	How could something know that?
	Sure.
	unless we had access to our own unconscious mind.
	And that was the most disturbing, non-blessing aspect of all the discoveries I made as operations officer.
	I have a little information about something that I know that you discovered,
	and I wonder if you'll talk about it.
	Shoot.
	Number one, you discovered angels.
	Angels are real, didn't you?
	Yes.
	What is an angel, Ed?
	It appears to be, they appear to be, the way the Church Fathers describe them as individual, rational entities.
	Without a form, we cannot distinguish, as remote viewers, we cannot distinguish the form of an angel.
	It appears to be in another dimension, perhaps the sixth dimension, if mine is the fifth, maybe nominally, we can say that dimension Six is populated by angels.
	We cannot distinguish the form of an angel, but we know that there is a discrete intelligence involved and that these are discrete entities.
	They appear to have access to our unconscious minds, not necessarily to manipulate, although sometimes they do that, but they're there and they're there constantly.
	We just did not know how What can you tell me about their function?
	They're engineers.
	They engineer circumstances.
	That's one thing that I know.
	They set up circumstances for us to walk into and to deal with.
	another dimension.
	What can you tell me about their function?
	They are engineers.
	They engineer circumstances.
	That's one thing that I know.
	They set up circumstances for us to walk into and to deal with.
	That's one thing that they do.
	All right, let me try this one out.
	Thank you.
	We have had really reliable reports, I've had them on the air here, Ed, of UFOs hovering over US strategic silos, ICBM silos.
	There have been reports on national television of objects hovering over Russian silos.
	In our case, missiles were actually Shut down in the case of the Russians they were actually sent into a launch sequence now I have information that you believe that not only are angels real but that they disarmed I repeat disarmed nuclear missiles worldwide and nobody could explain it and you believe that this is what they did.
	Is that accurate?
	In a couple of cases There's something that I call, I term, transcendental technology, glowing spheres that hovered, let's say.
	Socorro, New Mexico, was a good example.
	There was a case, typical of this class of phenomena, where a glowing sphere, actually several, hovered outside a nuclear weapons storage depot near Socorro.
	The physical security of the depot was not breached.
	The locks were not penetrated on the doors of the storage bunker, but the codes on the
	weapons were zeroed.
	That means there were no targeting codes.
	In the old days, it took a long time to program the codes in a nuclear weapon.
	So they could not have been used?
	If they were mounted on a missile, it would have just gone up and right back down, because
	there were no instructions where to fly to.
	Don't go to Kiev, don't go to Severlobsk, don't go to Moscow, those kinds of things.
	There's no codes.
	Well, in my own mind, I really have a difficult time delineating it between what some people
	call a UFO or a glowing light, and what another person might call an angel or an entity.
	It's a big blur together, so it could as easily be an angel as it could be some sort of extraterrestrial craft.
	Right?
	As I've said, there is a technology involved.
	Now, there appears to be a cooperation between whoever owns these technologies that are nominally millions of years ahead of anything that we have.
	In fact, I'm loath to even call them a technology.
	and the angelic agenda.
	But I will say this, even though there will in the future probably be a nuclear explosion,
	a nuclear weapon used in anger, I've talked about this, I think it will be on the part
	of the North Koreans, there will not be a nuclear war, and that is because, nor would
	there have ever been, because it's not allowed.
	It sterilizes the garden.
	Not allowed?
	Not allowed.
	I'm just saying that angelic beings, or whatever you want to call them or believe them to be,
	would not allow it to occur.
	Or others working in consort with angelic beings would not have allowed it, nor will allow it to occur.
	I think that on very evolved planets, a point is reached where the population, whatever
	they are, intelligent beings, comes to be aware of the presence of these other dimensional
	creatures all around them.
	That was going to be my next question, Ed.
	Our governments have always said that mutual assured destruction is what has prevented
	nuclear all-out war.
	Those were choices that humans made.
	It forced people like you and I as children to go under our desks at school, have nightmares
	about mushroom clouds and all of that.
	That was important for our character development and to make the political choices that we
	made to stop this terror.
	There's a terror exist in our minds.
	Yes, but my real question is, Ed, do you think that our governments now understand that nuclear war will not occur for some of the reasons you just outlined versus mutual assured destruction?
	Absolutely not.
	You don't think they know that?
	No.
	Either mad or nothing is the way to go.
	No government.
	We're going to entertain the existence, much less the involvement of angelic beings on this planet, at least.
	Not for a while.
	Even though many of us will go to church on mass on a Sunday and at least worship a disincarnate being, but we leave that behind when we walk out those doors.
	All right, um, Ed, hold on.
	When we get back, I've got something to ask you about, uh, something kind of dark that goes back to last Christmas.
	I have some very, very, very serious questions about that.
	We'll see what kind of answers we get.
	My guest is Major Ed Daines, SciTech's Major Ed Daines.
	And by the way, if you're curious about technical remote viewing, we will, uh, That will tell you how to get the tapes that will teach you to do what Ed can do.
	Any of you out there, virtually any of you, can do this if you want to.
	Whether or not you want to is something you need to give some fairly serious thought to.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm going to be talking about the Coast to Coast project.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	It is indeed.
	I am Art Bell.
	Ed Dames is my guest.
	Major Ed Dames.
	High Tech's Ed Dames.
	And we're talking about remote viewing.
	It's going to be some pretty rough stuff throughout the night, so...
	Be advised, please.
	Take appropriate action.
	Good morning.
	And when I say take action, I mean if it bothers you, turn it off.
	If it bothers your children, then it certainly might.
	the morning and when i think that
	take action i mean uh... if it bothers you turn it off at the bothers her
	children and certainly might get them out of the room
	this is adult life After all, it's one o'clock after one o'clock here on the West Coast, and even later than that on the East Coast.
	So, more of Ed Dames in a moment.
	we're going to talk about last Christmas.
	I would like to mention, by the way, that tomorrow night Barbara Simpson is going
	to be here.
	She'll be filling in tomorrow night, and her guest is going to be James Redfield, author of the Celestine Prophecies.
	That's going to be a good one.
	That's tomorrow night, right here, with Barbara Simpson.
	KSFO's Barbara Simpson.
	That's the alma mater.
	KSFO in San Francisco, our affiliate in San Francisco, and I think you're going to like Barbara, so if you haven't heard her, tomorrow night would be a good night to catch her.
	James Redfield, author of The Celestine Prophecies.
	Now, back to Major Ed Dames.
	Ed, it was last Christmas.
	You did something that I didn't think you should do.
	You remote-viewed Satan.
	It was about Christmas time, I think, actually.
	I guess I had a talk with you, and I cautioned you, and warned you, and worried about you, and I thought, boy, I don't know, remote viewing Satan, maybe not such a cool idea.
	And I remember asking you, as we talked about the results of that remote viewing, whether the entity or the Well, as a professional remote viewer, I conducted what I call a topical search.
	And I recall you saying, yes.
	And am I on track so far?
	Is this not right?
	Well, as a professional remote viewer, I conducted what I call a topical search.
	What's called a topical search, we do not take the existence of something that may be
	apocryphal as a given.
	There may not be a Satan.
	It may only exist in the minds of man, or culturally, or something like that.
	So, we conduct a series of technical remote viewing probes, when we don't know if the question is correct, to see what we are dealing with.
	And based upon what falls out of six or seven TRV probes, we then have an idea of what we're dealing with.
	And in this case?
	We're dealing with a discrete entity.
	A discrete, a real individual entity.
	We're dealing with an individual entity and closely associated with one other entity.
	This entity, Satan, is not present on the planet.
	It's somewhere else.
	We don't know where the somewhere else is.
	The entity associated with it, let's call it a lieutenant or something like that, is on the plant, on this plant, and operational.
	That led to a long series of investigations using technical opium as a tool.
	Remember why I mounted this article?
	It was because I felt something was feeding from the outside, from somewhere else.
	Events where children kill children that was unprecedented and there's no logical And it's become worse Yes, but there was something that it there was no precedent for children killing children unless they're conscripted in an army in Africa That's right.
	Yes like that.
	So what was making this happen?
	And that is why I wanted to investigate this idea that I think that Father Malachi Martin would have condoned of taking a look at the shadow, because good is everywhere.
	Good doesn't hide, and it doesn't need to be exposed.
	It's right out there.
	But this thing that we call evil, whether it's in the mind of man or whether it exists as a field force or whatever, it does best when it hides in the shadows.
	And what technical remote viewing can do is expose it.
	You can shine a light in those little shadowy nooks and corners, and that's what it does.
	Tip Kingle, who just killed his parents and then went to school and killed people, was just sentenced to life, what amounts to life in prison.
	And he made a statement, you know, in court, the way they get to do it, prior to sentencing or whatever.
	And he talked about killing his parents, you know, almost calmly, and then the students calmly.
	No doubt said what his lawyers told him to say or what they cooked up beforehand about the regret and so forth.
	But it was really flat, Ed.
	It was like, you know, like like eyes with if you've ever seen somebody's eyes with nothing in them, just flat.
	That's where the statement came out.
	Kind of flat.
	I mean, this kid killed his parents and then killed other school children.
	And he's only one of many.
	Lately, it's been horrid.
	As a matter of fact, not just children, but adults too, in Honolulu recently, Seattle, everything upside down.
	I think that Malachi Martin was trying, he was a voice in the wilderness, he was trying to tell us that evil is real, and if we turn our backs on it, it's free to operate.
	If we pretend it's not there or deny its existence, it's free to operate, and it will operate and grow.
	In fact, it's being fed, and whether or not it's a field force, whether or not it's a Just a meme or a cultural idea.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's growing.
	And a light needs to be turned on it.
	It needs to be watched.
	And that's what Malachi Martin was trying to tell us.
	And so you rushed in where other angels feared to tread and remote-viewed Satan.
	Now, you said he's got an operative here on Earth.
	Might that be the Antichrist?
	No, no, this was another supernatural being, and the puppets were humans, and their minds are manipulated by this other entity.
	This discrete entity was aware of you?
	Yes.
	That must have scared the bejesus out of you.
	It's interesting because the perceptions that one gets as a remote viewer when you're in, say, the war room, I'll call it that for lack of a better word, the war room, the planning room, of this entity is that the idea of it standing there, just
	an idea now, because it's allegorical in nature since we can't perceive the form, of it standing
	with its arms crossed saying here, here's all my plans, look as much as you want because
	you can't stop me, you can't stop this.
	It's almost like it's predestined.
	Now here comes a question that you probably can't answer, but I want to ask it anyway.
	If you do a really pragmatic examination of your life since you did that TRV session on Satan, are you certain, Ed, or do you feel certain, that there has been no lingering effect from that TRV session?
	Oh, there has.
	Yeah, I thought that.
	I didn't really think you were going to say that, Ed, but since you have, what do you think?
	A new perspective.
	A new perspective, I think.
	I began to look at the idea of destiny as a reality, that we're not so free-willed as we might think, and began to explore myself, my own life.
	I removed my own death.
	That's something I've been putting off for quite a while.
	Oh, really?
	That's the one thing you hadn't done?
	Yeah.
	I wanted that perspective.
	I wanted to remote view my death and look back to see what that perspective would give me.
	What was it all about?
	In a remote feeling, you can do that.
	The mind is outside of time.
	It's preordained at the mass level, but not at the individual level.
	what's going to happen because that is how the idea registered in my mind.
	Exactly. Nothing can stop it. It's preordained.
	Essentially, yes. It's preordained at the mass level, but not at the individual level. It's as
	if you can choose as an individual to participate or not, but at the mass level, it's going to
	happen. It would be equivalent, figuratively speaking, to knowing that a bomb was going to
	be dropped on a certain city or a certain place. With that knowledge, you could choose whether or
	not to be there, but many would choose to be there for their own reasons.
	Well, if evil in the way you've described is preordained, then why should we not imagine that
	good or godliness is also preordained in the same sense?
	is also preordained in the same sense, meaning, and I understand now what you said, that our
	Meaning, and I understand now what you said, that our lives are not as much really in our control as we
	lives are not as much really in our control as we think they are. In other words, most
	think they are. In other words, most of it is preordained.
	of it is preordained.
	It appears to me, from my research on myself, using technical remote viewing as a tool for
	self-exploration, looking inside at all those shadowy pockets and things like that, it's
	in terms of epistemology, the science of knowledge, this is a regulatory tool. It's knowledge
	by revelation. It gets you to a point where you can self-realize, you can become self-realized,
	you have knowledge of who you are. But that doesn't equal self-actualization, because
	you have to act and choose on that knowledge. You may see true using technical remote viewing,
	but you still have to act, make a choice and act, to get you to a new state of being in
	terms of any destiny potential.
	So I looked at those things, and I also wanted the perspective, instead of looking from this
	point in my life outward, along a timeline to the right, say by convention.
	I wanted to walk that line all the way to my own physical death and then look back and have that perspective too, to see what it was all about and what I might have changed in terms of a standard, the standard being whatever created me or the control system that put me here, however you wish to call it.
	What was most important?
	To guide me, if I had it to do over again, what would I have done differently?
	Which means, what would I do differently now?
	Depending on what you believe, you may do it over again.
	That's problematic, but we're here and now, right here, where the rubber meets the road and the focus is generally in this narrow bandwidth of time, right here in this physical reality that we're in.
	How do we optimize that?
	Well, I guess you give that a lot of thought when you face your own mortality, so obviously I've got to ask and you don't have to answer.
	What did you find out about your own death?
	In terms of the event itself?
	What did you want to find out?
	How long you have?
	The manner of your death?
	No.
	What?
	No, I just wanted to allegorically stand at that point and look back in time at my Yes.
	To discern what will be my regrets, for instance.
	Obviously, at this point, I could only have regrets at the age of 50.
	I'm 50 years old now.
	I can't change the past from this point on, but I can change from this point to my death.
	That's the area, the window of time that I'm most interested in right now.
	What would I do differently, if anything, in that window?
	Right.
	What is the system's design for me as an individual?
	What is supported and what is not?
	What is whatever created me or gave me life?
	Did it have something in mind in terms of soul or whatever?
	That's what I was interested in, in optimizing this in terms of the system's standards rather than what my own creative or imaginative mind But Ed, the very fact that you could stand roughly at your moment of death and look back again says it must be preordained.
	I mean, you're looking at what occurred plus what is going to occur between now and that moment of death.
	That sounds awfully preordained to me.
	Yes, as a probable future?
	Yes.
	And it's tautological in nature.
	It's a paradox.
	By me doing that, if that's preordained, then I already know what the system knows, what I'm going to do, and what decisions I will make.
	Exactly.
	And therefore it's locked and concrete.
	So it really is preordained.
	I don't know if I like that.
	You would if you knew what the answer was.
	You would if you did it.
	Because if one does that, as a remote viewer, one finds There is a secret, a grand secret here.
	It's a wonderful thing that we are that we don't know, and that's the discovery of doing
	something like that.
	We go our whole lives not knowing what we really are and what we're really capable of
	doing, and that's the secret that I found.
	That's a pretty serious secret.
	I know TRV is bad at timelines, but did you find out anything about the matter of your
	death at all or how much time you have left.
	To a certain degree, yes.
	But that's eclipsed and made moot by what I discovered about what we can be in the time that's left.
	What I can be in the time that's left.
	What I can do.
	Who I am.
	So, you were pleased by what you saw?
	Very much so.
	Very fulfilled.
	It's a long way from when we used technical remote viewing as a scientific and technical intelligence collection tool to this.
	It's been quite an odyssey, as a matter of fact.
	Okay, well this is probably an impertinent question, but I've really got to ask it anyway.
	Are you sure, Ed, are you really sure, that in remote viewing Satan, people that are possessed, Ed, don't know they're possessed?
	I think most frequently.
	Others around them may know it, but they don't know it.
	Are you sure, relatively sure, that nothing like that happened to you?
	Yes.
	I think Father Malachi Martin and I had this conversation on your show, Before We Died.
	I know, but not since you remote-mute Satan.
	That's correct.
	That's correct.
	But again, it has to be by invitation.
	And I didn't invite anybody.
	I did it as an intelligence officer.
	Well, you got a lot closer than I would have gone, and so I had to ask a question.
	So anyway, you're relatively sure that nothing of that sort occurred to you?
	Yes.
	Well, I had to ask.
	All right, Ed, hold on.
	When we come back, we're going to tell you, before going back into what lies ahead for us all, and we are going to do that, believe me.
	We're going to tell you how you can get involved in TRV yourself, if you want to.
	You got me running, going out of my mind.
	You got me thinking, trying to win this fight.
	Don't bring me down.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I tell you one more before I get up.
	Don't bring me down.
	You want to see us as your family friends?
	I'm telling you, you've got to see it in the end.
	Don't bring me down.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I tell you one more before I get up.
	Don't bring me down.
	Don't bring me down.
	Thank you.
	Do you believe, my darling?
	Oh, you believe in God, you believe in God, you believe in God.
	So what I might have to do is get to the bed, so we'll make it love.
	Bye.
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	We'll get back to Ed Dames, and it's going to get deeper and tougher to listen to, so be advised.
	warning you be advised about now to uh... ed games
	side exit games and the first thing i want to do before we plunge forward
	Is tell you that what Ed Dames does, what Ed Dames learned in military and what he developed in the private sector, became available, oh I don't know, a couple years ago, three years ago, I'm losing track of time, on videotape.
	They did a series of really downtown, professional videotapes.
	The first one is introductory and I can tell you from having watched it myself, every minute of it, That if you're curious about whether you want to become a remote viewer or not, for personal reasons or whatever, getting this first tape will tell you all you want to know about whether you want to move forward and really do this.
	If you do, then there are other tapes you can get.
	You can order the entire package at once, or just this initial videotape, Module 1, I think it is.
	It is Module 1, right Ed?
	You can order that and it's really well done.
	It's a class act.
	Who produced that thing?
	William Gusecki, an Oscar nominee for Best Documentary, Waco, Rules of Engagement.
	He edited and directed it.
	It really blew me away.
	You can get that, and that's not much money to find out whether you want to do something of this magnitude, and if you do, you can then go on and get the whole set.
	At any rate, you can order TRV training tapes, and I'm going to give you the number right now.
	Are they there at this time, O-Night, Ed?
	Our live operators are shut down now.
	They're shut down.
	So when should they call?
	The numbers still work.
	But it'll get you into our voice system.
	That's all.
	Automated voice system.
	So what happens?
	Somebody calls you back?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Correct.
	All right.
	Here are the numbers.
	Three numbers.
	1-888-878-0333.
	1-888-878-0333 1-888-878-0333 or
	1-877-878-1733 And I really do personally recommend them to you, particularly the first one.
	Now, TRV is not for everybody, is it, Ed?
	No, it requires dedication and commitment to master the intermediate skills, skills that would essentially allow you to solve the problem of what brought Flight 990 down, or what that object was that your pilots earlier reported.
	We've sold about 12,000 copies of tapes.
	least four months of instruction, ten hours of instruction on both the tapes.
	We are offering $70 off the last year's price of those tapes too as an incentive to buyers.
	We've sold about 12,000 copies of tapes so we have a lot of people out there who are
	on the same sheet of music.
	This is a standardized procedure.
	It's not a close your eyes, lay down, relax and tell me what you see type of thing.
	It's very rigorous.
	It was.
	With 12,000 people now Ed, remote viewing, have you at any point noticed any sort of sea change in what you're able to do or what you encounter as a result of that many people being out there?
	The only thing I've noticed and I expected to see was that there are a lot of people who are far better than I am as the coach, as the principal instructor, in terms of the skill itself, not necessarily teaching it, but in terms of performance, because you have such a large pool of talent, raw talent.
	So then there's quite a number of people who have taken those tapes and... Taken off.
	And really taken off.
	Yes.
	If you're interested in the background and want to know more about what it's like or want to talk real-time in our chat rooms, you can visit our website.
	All that information is there.
	The chat room is busy right now, and you can get to our website via yours, Keith Rowland's... Yeah, we've got a link, though.
	We've got a link.
	Or www.sitech.net.
	P-S-I-T-E-C-H dot net.
	All right.
	Can they plunge right into chat?
	They can.
	All right.
	Ed, last night I had George Carlin on.
	Oh, I heard.
	Did you hear him?
	No, I didn't hear him, but I heard about him.
	Well, he took off in what some might consider to be a comedy routine.
	I don't think it was, or at least it was only half that.
	And he was saying he was hoping for bigger Bigger disasters.
	You know, he has some complaints about the current state of the gene pool here.
	And so he was kind of joking, but we're talking about earthquakes.
	He said, let's have a 25.
	I mean, I really want something big.
	You know, I'm just looking over at the latest information on our sun, Ed, and George might get his way.
	We've got a rounded sunspot count right now of 340.
	The A-index is 30, and the solar storms are coming one after another, after another, and we're just headed into the really heavy maximum period.
	And I know you've got a word or two to say about what's going on with our sun, but it's really raging up there right now, Ed.
	So, is George going to be happy?
	I think he'll be very happy.
	Yes.
	We seem to be bored in America.
	We look outward for titillating things, excitement more and more.
	The real excitement is inside, but we keep looking outside.
	People find that fulfilling, disasters, because I guess we've fallen into some droll rut or
	routine, but the excitement is on the inside, the real excitement.
	However, you might not find that until you get a kick in the derriere.
	We're about to get some.
	We're about to get kicked.
	Yeah.
	You look around the globe and you've got a lot of suffering.
	Mother Nature is doing its best to crush a lot of oscillations right now.
	We've been fairly fortunate, but I think there's something knocking on our doors post-haste here in America.
	Yes.
	This particular solar max will just keep ratcheting up, and there will either be one or two very violent storms, or there'll be a number To the degree that weather changes will be affected very, very rapidly.
	That's where I was going to go.
	I was going to ask what's going on with the sun.
	There is a flux, a very direct flux, a linkage between the solar max and our weather, and that's no accident.
	Our ionosphere breathes and respires just like we do as individuals in reaction to the sun, to the ion streams that are coming from the sun.
	And you can't have a solar maximum without having maximum weather patterns on Earth or any of the other planets in our solar system.
	Again, of course, timelines are very difficult, but where do we stand with respect to this kill shot?
	A kill shot or a series of shots is in this solar maximum year, so we're right about here right now, Art.
	Yeah, I kind of thought we were pretty close, Ed.
	When you say kill shot, would there be survivors of this, or are we talking about something so serious from the sun that it would virtually sterilize everything down to the microbial level, or would there be some survival?
	I think what it will do is affect the weather patterns to the degree where we will have extremely vicious storms, and that will be the effect of a kill shot.
	Super storms.
	Somebody faxed me the following that I respect, Ed, and I want to ask you about it again.
	It's a hard question.
	You gave very specific, detailed, verifiable, ultimately, observations about Egypt there and what happened.
	The faxer says, in all, Ed is always enigmatic and provocative, but as ever, you know, after hearing him over time and reading some of the past transcripts carefully, I have the impression That he combines some genuine remote viewing data with information that is available to him through his more earthly contacts.
	At times, I feel he throws in some finely finessed curves.
	In other words, Ed, there are a lot of people who think that your separation from the military and the contacts you had... It was not a separation.
	A complete separation.
	I hear this all the time, and there's nothing I can do to really ameliorate that.
	I can't outrun my legacy as an intelligence officer at very high levels of the government.
	What intelligence agency is connected so closely with the International Civil Aviation Organization that it monitors cockpit goings-ons of all airliners?
	Common sense would tell you that that is not a high priority, even if it ever existed.
	So common sense really isn't used with conspiracy theorists.
	Anyway, it wouldn't matter how you denied it.
	People are going to think whatever they want to think about you.
	Well, the more I would deny it, the more they would think that I do.
	It's true, Ed.
	Yes.
	I know that to be true myself.
	In fact, it's ironic that I've been on your show now for three years, since October three years ago, and I talked about UFOs and what the government knew, what it didn't know, and there had always been the hope that someone would come out from the sanctum sanctorum and talk about these things, but then when you do, then it's a firestorm of condemnation and accusations.
	That's correct.
	Because you must be one of them.
	Well, I was one of them, and I did come forward, which is what everybody wanted.
	They thought.
	Is there ever really a clean separation, or once you've done high-level intelligence work, to some degree, are you not always bound, not only by what you knew, but ongoing contacts you might have?
	There are no ongoing contacts, except with regard to, generally, CIA.
	C.I.A.
	likes to keep string people along.
	Well, that's non-trivial.
	C.I.A.
	is non-trivial.
	Yes.
	Army and Navy and Air Force intelligence officers, the break is clean.
	I mean, you're not free to discuss operational intelligence.
	That, of course, highly classified things are nation's systems.
	And the higher the clearance that you have, the more serious it becomes if you do breach that.
	All right.
	You folks read between the lines and we'll leave that subject.
	Listen, Ed.
	I've been interviewing Joyce Riley now for, I don't know, years, too, and she is a nurse, and she has been crusading for those Gulf War vets who are claiming that some sort of biological agent was used on them, and they're getting sick in Moss.
	The government's dragging its feet, as it always does.
	The question is, what kind of biological weapons, or no, let's even back up from that.
	Were there biological agents used against American servicemen during Desert Storm?
	No.
	And on your show a year and a half ago, I told you what the genesis of the Gulf War Syndrome was.
	Repeat it.
	Pyridostigmine bromide tablets.
	Pyridostigmine bromide was supposed to be a prophylaxis for a chemical soup that Saddam Hussein might deliver mustard agent nerve gas, something that would ameliorate or mitigate the use of prophylaxis against those kinds of things.
	If someone did not don protective gear immediately, this would save their lives, theoretically.
	Instead, it caused an unprecedented, unpredicted Terrible tragedy amongst many people.
	It's the Gulf War Syndrome.
	And that is essentially the real genesis of that syndrome.
	These parathystic membrane tablets that our soldiers and sailors and airmen were forced to take.
	So it's real?
	What is real?
	The Gulf War Syndrome is real?
	The syndrome is real.
	And that's the primary causative agent.
	Gotcha.
	I think particularly It seems to be particularly aggravated in cases where volatile hydrocarbons from the burning oil fields, the soldier sailors and airmen that might have breathed those volatile hydrocarbons in combination with the pyridine bromide seem to accelerate
	and amplified this effect, perhaps even made it reach a threshold value where this tragedy occurred.
	Ed, do you know what MJ5 is?
	Or was?
	Where did you hear that, Art?
	Where did you pick up that term?
	Let me ask you a question.
	I have my sources!
	I can tell you're shocked at the question.
	Yes I am, it's rather personal.
	I was five of MJ-5.
	You were?
	I think I've heard of MJ-5 before, yes.
	And you were a member of it?
	There was a group called MJ-5, of which I was a member, yes.
	Which had what as a function?
	I mean, stop me, obviously, when you can't discuss what I'm asking.
	That's fine.
	Field investigations of UFO phenomenon in northern New Mexico.
	I was the project manager.
	In northern New Mexico?
	Yes.
	To validate the existence of the phenomenon itself, to actually validate it, to measure it, get some parameters, whether or not we were dealing with artifacts of propulsion or the direct observations of things itself, but to actually validate the existence, bring back the smoking gun, and that's what The small team of very, very expert physicists were involved.
	I was simply the team leader.
	Team leader.
	Can you discuss the conclusions?
	There is at least one area in North America that is extremely active in terms of a passage
	point for what we would call vehicles or objects.
	In other words, we can go to this area and consistently get consistent sightings and get close enough where we can measure some of the operating parameters of these objects.
	We had 31 channels of data.
	Each channel was a different parameter.
	So, for instance, the electromagnetic field.
	The binding force of nature, infrared, ultraviolet, RF, we had all kinds of recording devices set out so that we could capture signals and then put together some type of a pattern to attempt to deduce what we were dealing with.
	We were actually, at one point, there was a You know how you buzz someone with an aircraft?
	I've done this before too, playing around with people.
	Sure.
	They did it to us.
	Sure.
	They did that.
	We never got one of them to, I'll use the term loosely, to land.
	Ever.
	We were hoping that might happen, but it did not happen.
	But we got real close.
	Well, you remember you and I were discussing the ranch that NIDS sponsors, and what it would take to get one to land, and you remember you mentioned a mother and a child.
	As the years went by, we began to realize that we were being dealt with like, not only as children, but almost monkeys, as a very primitive race.
	And so using technical remote viewing, we could get behind the agendas of these visitors, let's call them.
	But you said a mother and an infant, the love between them, would bring this contact about.
	That's the essence of what you said.
	It would be symbolic enough To allow the visitors to know that we acknowledge what the agenda is.
	It isn't technology.
	This is not about technology.
	It's about humanness.
	Yeah, or the demonstration, I guess you could call it, or the acknowledgement, the knowledge that we knew this was what it was all about would be sufficient to perhaps initiate contact.
	Roughly correct?
	Correct.
	We'll do one more hour.
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	Do you think Lennon was a prophet or just a dreamer?
	It might be a pretty good question to ask actually.
	It involves our future.
	That kind of one world peace, not the one world terror that some imagine.
	Would that be our future?
	or is it all kind of a moot point?
	Listen, Tuesday night I'm going to do a program that I'm calling Death and Taxes.
	And I'm calling it that because My guest is going to be an IRS employee.
	He remains an IRS employee, by the way, who had an NDE, a very serious NDE.
	All vital signs stopped.
	And yet he remains an IRS employee.
	I don't know whether he had a full life review, but we'll find out.
	So I call that death and taxes on Tuesday.
	On Wednesday of next week.
	Oh, no, wait a minute.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm wrong.
	Death and Taxes, that's Monday.
	I'll be here Monday, live.
	I've got to tell you that.
	Be here Monday, live.
	Then, Tuesday evening, we're going to have the producer of, his name is David Israel, of the NBC movie coming up, which, ha ha ha, I will have seen by then.
	In fact, I should have my copy Monday.
	Maybe I'd have my copy now, I don't know.
	The Y2K movie.
	Y2K the movie, which some fear more than Y2K the reality of whatever may occur.
	Because, of course, the effect that it may have on the American public.
	All of you.
	All of us.
	Y2K the movie is going to run on NBC, but before it does, we're going to have the producer of that movie here.
	Where we can grill him in great detail about all of this.
	And then, the following night, Wednesday night, We're going to do, again, a show on Y2K called, Y2K Ready or Not, Here it Comes, title of the book, telling you how to get ready, just in case you think what Bill Clinton said about Y2K may not be the case.
	Some people don't believe every word he utters.
	Okay, once again, here is Major Ed Dames, and Lennon, John Lennon, was he, with regard to our future, Ed, A genius, a prophet, was he seeing our future or was he dreaming and hoping?
	Dreaming and hoping.
	Well, he was a dreamer.
	The songs of the 60s, remember they were about people and love and that was a decade that was pretty unique.
	But not what lies ahead for us.
	No, not in the near future.
	In the out years, yes.
	In the outer years, so if you're able to look way out, there is a time when mankind actually does begin to spiritually evolve.
	Yes.
	What's left of mankind, yes.
	It rebuilds and evolves.
	And what's left is a pretty small sample compared to what we carry now?
	Yes.
	I'm getting a number of faxes.
	Ed, somebody wanted me to ask you, if Flight 998, when you remote viewed this thing, did you happen to note there were early reports that it landed at Edwards Air Force Base, then later denied?
	Do you happen to know offhand, or were you not viewing that aspect?
	No, in technical remote viewing, it's extremely specific.
	When you qualify the search term, you think of a library or internet search.
	You get exactly what you ask for.
	You don't want to become too general because you're only hanging in there for a 45 minute remote viewing session.
	You want to be able to make your search as elegant as possible so you can get the most unequivocal data in the shortest period of time.
	This was pretty much cut and dried.
	Judd, I just wanted the cause of the crash, period.
	Ed, you've moved to the Hawaiian Islands.
	You've done this for a reason.
	Obviously, all hell is about to break loose, metaphorically.
	Literally, I guess, as you have described it.
	So, obviously, there are places where it's going to be safer to be and live than others.
	Is that the case?
	Have you picked a place where survival is probable?
	Where I will be happiest?
	Is that the same thing as survival being probable?
	It's an important factor.
	In other words, I guess I'm asking straight out whether this is a place that you picked which would be... I mean, Hawaii, after all, is a paradise.
	It is a paradise.
	Not Oahu.
	Oahu might as well be a suburb of L.A.
	Well, it's still Hawaii, though.
	But the population density and the nature of the population is a city.
	It's true.
	It's different.
	So I guess what I'm asking is, have you picked a place that you actually consider to be relatively safe or just a place from which it would be good to exit?
	Relatively safe.
	Okay.
	And are there many others like it?
	I've perceived many others, but a number of other places in the world that I know would
	be safe.
	One of the largest criteria is fresh water.
	I mentioned that before.
	That's important.
	All of the places that I know of have that one thing in common, abundant fresh water.
	There is a laboratory that is preparing to do something that has never been done before.
	They are going to produce, they claim, a mini Big Bang.
	Now, I have some reservations, and other people do about this, too, because the Big Bang, of course, created, supposedly, all that is now.
	Everything we can see, for as far as we can see, billions of years out, all the planets, all the suns, all the quasars, all the things that fill space, created in an instant.
	A big bang.
	And there's a lab in this country that's preparing to create what they call a mini-big bang, and I have a concern about that.
	That is a creative process they'd be tampering with there.
	And it might be that a mini-big bang would be big enough to take out Earth, Jupiter, our Sun, who knows what all else.
	Have you ever taken a look at this project ongoing?
	I'm aware of the project.
	Well, every program I try and give you something to go to work on for the next program.
	Always hoping there will be a next program.
	That would be a real butte to go after it.
	remote viewing target, remote view the outcome of that experiment.
	I have not done that.
	Every program I try and give you something to go to work on for the next program, always
	hoping there will be a next program.
	That would be a real beaut to go after it.
	Do you think so?
	Yes, I do.
	I mean, there's going to be a moment in time where somebody pushes a button, Ed.
	I guess I'd like to know, we've discussed the way these things appear in time, and you've
	described it as kind of a giant spike.
	I guess I want to know if there's a big spike when this guy pushes the button.
	That would answer a lot for us.
	I can look at that for you, and we can discuss it in the next millennium.
	I think what you're worried about is what some people, even physicists, were worried about when the first atomic bomb was... Oh, they thought it might ignite the atmosphere?
	Yes.
	A chain reaction?
	A chain reaction, yeah.
	Yeah, but here we're talking about a mini Big Bang, and I have a hard time getting my mind, wrapping my mind around the concept of what a mini Big Bang might be.
	It's a good advanced target.
	Because it deals with physics, and I can present the material to the scientific community, and I like that dialogue.
	I mean, if you were to see a gigantic spike there, I'd be concerned.
	Well, I would not be perceiving it, of course, as a spike.
	Only allegorically, I would be perceiving the actual physicality of the event, what is happening at both the atomic cloud level, all the way up to the macrocosmic world in the laboratory itself, or, hopefully, It's confined to the laboratory and to whatever they're
	using, a linear accelerator or what, and be able to describe it somewhat.
	Then re-look the experiment for the details.
	Describe it in a general fashion, then use more technical remote viewing sessions to
	go back in and explore each aspect of what I might find.
	Okay.
	Put it on your list.
	Right.
	Another person, Tom in Boise, Idaho, really asks a cool question here, particularly in
	view of the fact that you have remote viewed your own death art.
	If you can see your own death, as Ed has suggested, and that death comes by anything other than natural causes, then one should be able to prevent that death until the time when natural causes do result in death.
	That's a pretty good question.
	If you knew that you were going to board an aircraft that was going to crash and did not board as a result, well, first of all, could that be done, Ed?
	Yes, I think it could be done.
	From some of the research that we've done and some of the actual operational experience that I have, it does appear that if you have the knowledge, you can choose not to participate in that particular trajectory.
	So it looks as if there is a probable pathway for individuals where probability comes into
	play, but if you are aware of that, you can manipulate it to some degree, not a lot, but
	to some degree.
	What about the paradox problem?
	Yes, the paradox problem is very real, but it appears in technical remote viewing in
	another sense most often, and that is if I remote view where you will eat dinner, for
	For example, tonight, say you're going to eat dinner.
	If you weren't going to eat dinner, it would come out in my remote viewing session that you weren't going to eat dinner tonight, so I would know that.
	But let's say you had decided to go to a restaurant and you were indeed going to go.
	If I remote view that, I could describe the restaurant where you will be eating tonight, but if there were any possibility at all, any probability, any likelihood that I would tell you what those results would be, I would not be able to derive anything except nonsense from my data.
	I wouldn't be able to nail it down.
	There is a paradox problem that we run into in remote viewing.
	All right.
	Back to our weather for a moment.
	If the sun is affecting our weather, then it's going to be affecting the ocean and ocean temperatures.
	We've had a lot of reports of anomalous ocean temperatures.
	The Atlantic Current not doing what it ought be doing, and that's the subject of a book that Whitley Strieber and myself are about to come out with.
	It's going to be a walloping book.
	All of this change is underway, and it could provoke a sudden change.
	People don't realize this, but our climate, historically, going back not just since we began recording modern weather, Phenomena, but going back through the archaeological records and doing digs and coming up with core samples and stuff, we found out that the Earth's weather has changed violently, suddenly, many, many, many times in the past.
	Are we looking at that kind of change?
	Yes.
	We're looking at, in fact, the ocean levels are rising now, as you know.
	The island nation of Piribar, 33 different islands, actually 31 atolls and a couple of islands.
	They're losing two of their atolls now.
	The population has actually had them moved off the atolls.
	The atolls are being inundated, literally.
	They're three to six feet above the waterline, and they're about to become submerged.
	They're becoming submerged, so the water levels are rising faster.
	They'll not be islands.
	They'll be hazards to shipping.
	Yes.
	Speed bumps.
	I know timelines are hard but if you're pressed these changes with our sun and with our weather, they're so
	important and will affect so many.
	me.
	How close is it getting?
	What's your best estimate?
	It's happening right now.
	If you look at India, the super cyclones, that's happening.
	I'm not as concerned about that.
	Because that is a fait accompli, as I am, about terrorism and about the nature of man and what's going to happen in that regard.
	By the way, before we get on to that, it's really odd, Ed, you know, if a cyclone hits India and tens of thousands die, we hear it almost as a byline in this country.
	You know, if tens of thousands of people died in the West or in Europe or in America, Oh, the size of that tragedy and the way it would be reported can't even be calculated, but in India, we sort of just mention it on the news.
	I think there is an interesting thing occurring here that I'm beginning to notice.
	The kinds of cataclysmic events of a geophysical nature that we see occur in the southern hemisphere,
	it has an antithesis in the northern hemisphere that you are about to see, and that is large
	terrorist events.
	It's one of the things that I'm looking at now.
	In fact, I put together, using members of the old military remote viewing unit, a counter
	nuclear terrorism task force where I only use Alpha team members, the original team
	members on this because it's such a dicey thing.
	We're looking at the real probability of nuclear terrorism, and that is in its own way cataclysmic
	in the northern hemisphere.
	Well, we know there are a lot of Russian suitcase nuclear devices missing.
	Gone, gone, gone.
	We know that's true.
	That's surmised.
	You don't know that.
	You've heard that, but that is surmised.
	There may be some missing, but we're looking.
	Flytech is looking at that now.
	We're actually going to look for missing special atomic demolition munitions that may be in North America.
	That project will begin next week.
	Having said that, recall that I've said that the first use of a nuclear weapon will be by the North Koreans.
	That, of course, does not denigrate the search for these ostensibly.
	We'll find out if they're really here or not.
	Let's just set you up here with a scenario.
	Let's say, Ed, that you discovered that there was a nuclear device in Chicago.
	to the north american continent we will find them they are such unique target that they're easy to find
	located outlets let's take the let's just set you up here with a
	uh... scenario let's say add that you discovered that there was a uh... nuclear
	device in chicago
	let's say it is it is just for the sake of argument we're not saying there really
	is one but you found one and you found it in chicago
	Thank you.
	What the hell could you do with that information?
	What would you do with it?
	The FBI.
	The FBI, the Department of Energy, the White House, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the Central Intelligence Agency would get a copy of Cytex reports, and we'd call these, if it was a hidden weapon, we would just report the location and other things.
	If it were a terrorist, Attempt.
	We would issue an intent to detonate warning report, and that would be an urgent report that would go to those agencies.
	All right.
	Hold on, Ed.
	We'll be right back, and we'll try and get to the phones in this final segment coming up.
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	My guest is Major Ed Daines, SciTech's Major Ed Daines.
	And I'm pleased to have him here tonight.
	A lot of what Major says, people don't want to hear.
	And that results in anger.
	That's a fairly typical response, frankly.
	Another way to approach it might be education.
	And getting at least, at the very least, the first technical remote viewing tape, I think would be a good way to begin to get educated.
	Then you'll understand.
	The number to call to order the tapes, actually there's two of them.
	And I understand there's also a big discount going on right now.
	The number is 1-888.
	8 7 8 0 3 3 3 that's 1 8 8 8 8 7 8 0 3 3 3 or 1 8 7 7 8 7 8 1 7 7 7 now these are daytime numbers generally or you can call and leave voicemail and they'll get back to you so call one of them and begin to investigate for yourself there's one thing about it if you think he's full of it you can always begin the process yourself and find out for yourself if you are so inclined and I understand that some out there
	are not.
	Once again, Sci-Tech's Major Ed Dames.
	questions.
	Major Dames, we may have covered this previously, but a lot of people may not have heard it, and they're really curious, and I'm getting a lot of faxes, so the question is simple.
	May we ask the Major to comment on the Big Chem Trail Mystery.
	Is there something to it?
	Nothing to it?
	Should we be concerned?
	Are they testing biological weapons on us?
	Is it some sort of inoculation that we're getting?
	What are these chemtrails?
	It is not an inoculation.
	It is not a polyvalent vaccine.
	It is nothing biological at all.
	That is not going on.
	The U.S.
	did things like this in the 1950s, a very cavalier approach during the McCarthy era, the dark age of American culture, but that does not happen any longer.
	It happens in totalitarian dictatorships, but not here.
	That is not what is going on up there.
	I mentioned that one of the sets of uses of the chemtrails is an experiment.
	I think for the first time on your show, I mentioned that I could not tell you what that is, because it is of strategic value and it's very important.
	Indeed, if I let the cat out of the bag, I would be in the bag.
	Your listeners would be very angry at me, because I would have given away something that is vitally important in national defense, just because you see those chemtrails and people It appears that people are getting sick.
	Don't forget that there may be a big reason for some of those chemtrails to be up there, what you're calling chemtrails.
	They're really not chemicals.
	They are contrails, and they're doing something that's important in some cases.
	In other cases, it's just your normal flight traffic pattern.
	All right.
	All right.
	Good, Ed.
	I can accept that answer.
	Thank you.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Yeah, this is Scott out of Marshall, North Carolina.
	Hello, Scott.
	Hey, I started listening to you about a year ago, Major Dane.
	On the Art Bell Show, I bought a copy of the audio tape there so I could get the details out of it.
	The main thing that I perceive about your predictions and all is that you've been wrong about every major prediction you've made.
	The timelines are wrong, but the predictions aren't wrong, especially in terms of the sun, in terms of the largest tornado that would hit.
	He did make that prediction, actually.
	He said there were going to be plagues in Africa by the end of last year that would kill maybe millions a week.
	No, actually, what he said, what I recall he said, was that there would be a fungus that would begin in Africa that would begin to kill green things.
	You know, there was a story about a fungus in Africa that I read, that you might have heard call her, because I read it several times.
	That is doing exactly that.
	It's now in Texas.
	Weren't you talking about killing people in Africa, Major Ding?
	I was talking about people starving as a result of the grasses that they eat for food, dying.
	Check it out.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	Um, is right, yes.
	In fact, I read that story, I don't know how many times, and it just blew me away when I saw it, about a fungus.
	Some sort of modified weird fungus?
	Claviceps purpurea.
	The holy fungus.
	It's one of the 32 species of ergot.
	LSD is a derivative of ergot.
	But this fungus has now popped up in Texas and is very quietly being monitored.
	I think I even heard that.
	All right.
	A wild card line.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi, Ed.
	How are you doing?
	Hey, you're going to have to speak up, sir.
	You're not too loud.
	Oh, sorry.
	I've been on before talking to Ed and Art.
	I think it might have been the last time you were on, talking about timelines and all the bets are off in 1999.
	Yes.
	It's Tim from Cold Lake, Alberta.
	Nostradamus on your website.
	I remember Ed saying when we were talking about the Nostradamus thing that didn't appear in September, or July for that matter.
	Basically, we got into Y2K, and the Y2K thing was a non-event, Ed said, because these other things are going to take place, and we're just kind of getting closer now.
	Could you comment on that?
	And just one other quick thing.
	There's been a lot of air crashes lately.
	You know, we've followed that in the papers and whatnot.
	Yes.
	I did a search on the Internet, when the Learjet, remember the Golf Pro, when they were asphyxiated or whatever happened on the Internet.
	Yes, yes.
	Went to a round on gas.
	I still don't remember.
	Anyway, yeah.
	I was under a missing aircraft.
	And lo and behold, there's one sighted, just a search engine, missing aircraft that came up, missing Learjet.
	There's a missing Learjet in New England that went missing on Christmas Eve of 1986 in the New England area and they've looked and looked for that thing and just can't find it.
	So, you know, I was sort of having dreams just shortly after that about this plane wasn't actually missing.
	It was stolen and it's being modified By a group of terrorists.
	Sounds like a James Bond movie, doesn't it?
	But I wondered if I could challenge it to maybe see if you can find out where this Learjet is.
	All right, Ed.
	Do you know anything about a missing Learjet?
	I don't, and I would need target reference material on this one.
	All I need is the report.
	That's all.
	All right.
	So if you will somehow get that to Ed on his website or an email or something or another, then he can proceed.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Alessandra in Chicago, listening to WLS 89 AM, which I wish would start picking up your first hour.
	Yes, ma'am.
	I have two questions for you, Ed.
	First of all, previously you have mentioned the parameters for somebody who is blind taking this training, and also that you I have no feedback from the people who are blind who have purchased the tapes.
	There has to be an assistant in Module 1.
	Yes, in the initial stages.
	Has anyone who is totally blind from birth been able to participate in that advanced
	training?
	I have no feedback from the people who are blind who have purchased the tapes.
	There has to be an assistant in Module 1.
	Yes, in the initial stages.
	I understand that.
	Yes, you have to have an assistant.
	I was wondering if anyone was able to take the advanced training and if there would be
	a way to get some information on that.
	I have not taught, to my knowledge, I have not taught a blind person advanced training either on the internet or in a classroom teaching professionals.
	You imagine though it to be possible or not?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I know I could do it in person, that's for sure.
	That would be a non-problem.
	But the tapes would be a problem because I would not be able to oversee that.
	Yes.
	You left a fabulous book a while back when you were talking about going to the time of your death and seeing your life from that perspective and saying that you have found out the grand secret that we basically don't know about who we are.
	Are you willing to share that grand secret with us now?
	No.
	Well, that's a good straight answer.
	Like, is it coming out in a book or what?
	Are you going to be talking about it?
	Actually, Ed may be about to write a book, finally.
	He hasn't done it for years and years.
	Nobody knows that.
	Maybe they shouldn't be knowing it now.
	Ed, you are about to write a book, aren't you?
	I'm thinking about it.
	I'm thinking about it.
	I'm toying with retiring now because of things that I've discovered, but I'm not sure at this juncture right now what I'm going to do.
	Is there a particular reason it's not good to talk about this at this time?
	That's a good question.
	How about that, Ed?
	It is the grand secret, so-called, though you cannot tell us what it is.
	Can you tell us Yes, I can.
	There is a program.
	If you think of humans as having a potential, we don't know what we're capable of doing.
	We have hints and insights based upon historical examples of savants and saints and all kinds of things, yogis.
	But there may be a program, there may be a thing, a switch, let's say, for lack of a better word, inside of us that gets thrown.
	And if it's capable of being thrown, does something that allows us to become something more than we ever imagined, and that may have been latent for thousands of years, knowing that you could live and die and never know that you could do that, and that's what I'm talking about.
	Or actually be that.
	It's a destiny that everybody can have, but no one partakes of, no one.
	Yeah.
	It's hard to miss what you've never known, right?
	That's correct, yeah.
	Oh, that's intriguing.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Hello, Ed Dames.
	Hello.
	Art Desicardian here.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes.
	It's amazing.
	Going back to your New Mexico situation there, we've had similar activities.
	I've done the same thing as Ed Dames has been in, too.
	I know it's really funny when you get involved in some of these things, such as the Mexico areas, that you really think about how many humans have lived and died and actually don't even know what's going on in this world, haven't seen these things.
	I haven't heard you bringing up any of those craft penetrating solid matter coming out of the ground, Ed.
	Do you want to talk about that?
	I wouldn't call them craft, necessarily.
	It's a way of passing through matter, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're craft.
	Okay, even if that's a misnomer, then something, some anomalous something, is passing through solid matter.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Yeah, this is Kyle from Texas, listening over the Radio broadcast on broadcast.com or the internet or whatever.
	All right, Kyle.
	All right, question for Ed.
	I was just wondering if earlier you were speaking of this secret of life, the big secret.
	Right.
	And if you can't tell that, how about who killed JFK?
	I've talked about that on our show before.
	Yeah, but once again, why don't you give him what you've got very quickly.
	On the JFK assassination?
	Sure.
	There was a device inside of the car.
	It was not a handheld device.
	It was built into the car itself, the dashboard.
	It was fired remotely.
	I'm not going to say how far away, but it was fired remotely.
	The flechette that penetrated JFK's Adam's apple was fired from that device.
	A flechette is a small rocket-like aluminum or titanium or hard metallic Rock it, and it doesn't expand like a bullet.
	It just goes straight, and it went through his Adam's apple out the back of his neck.
	That particular thing was fired from inside the car.
	The high-velocity heavy caliber rounds, of course, were fired from the outside, but the coup d'etat was meant to be delivered from inside the car, so it was set up.
	I'm not big on conspiracies, and I was not prepared to accept the technical remote viewing results of this.
	I didn't want to believe it, but when you do this, when you engage in DRV, you've got to accept the data whether you like it or not, and this happened to be the data.
	The military team did this, by the way.
	The data that you most recently uncovered actually has you thinking about retiring.
	Is that something that you know is going to occur now, Ed?
	In other words... No, it deals with me personally.
	No, I realize that.
	Having viewed, though, your life with 20-20 hindsight, as you have, is that something that you know is going to occur?
	No, I have to make it happen.
	and that will require my full attention.
	Good morning, Ed.
	Good morning.
	Two quick questions and a comment.
	Primarily, I'd like to hear more of what was revealed to you when you remote viewed your own demise.
	It's not a demise.
	It's physical death, that's all.
	Transition.
	Yes.
	And real quick, two other comments.
	For corroboration on some of the devastating information Ed has revealed to us, I think we need to maybe tap into that pool of talent that Ed talked about earlier and maybe open up a line another day or something.
	And last question, Ed, am I ever going to read the headline, Psychic Finds Amelia Earhart's Wreckage, or have you kind of shied away from that?
	It wouldn't be us that finds it, necessarily.
	It would be a salvage operation.
	You've already identified where it is.
	You've already told us where it is.
	But we also said we were going to go after it.
	That's becoming difficult because Kiribati is where it's at.
	You can see the exact site.
	If you go to our website, we actually have X's on what we say is a wing and an engine
	on the reefs just to the west of one of the atolls.
	So will he ever see such a headline?
	I'm not sure.
	There's no water on the islands anymore.
	The logistics are a nightmare.
	Yeah, well we have a map with two exits, one on the engine and one on the wing.
	So will he ever see such a headline?
	I'm not sure, there's no water on the islands anymore.
	In order to get water, the logistics are a nightmare.
	We have a sponsor, a large airline company that will sponsor us, but the logistics there on site, we need water.
	A lot of water.
	And there's no water left on the island.
	All resources of water.
	Well, Ed, we've done it again.
	It's the end of the program.
	I've been honored to be a guest for the last three years.
	Your friendship and your hospitality and your support, I truly treasure.
	I look forward to talking to you in the next millennium.
	I won't see you until then.
	You have an open invitation to visit us here in Maui.
	A lot of good aloha.
	Thanks, everyone.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	I, too, treasure the friendship we've had for these years.
	Well, that's it, folks.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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