Ed Dames, former U.S. military remote viewer, details classified UFO satellite photos (KH-9) and a 1999 "contact window" at a New Mexico ranch—where baiting a mother-child tent could trigger responses—while warning of solar flares disrupting sites like Rocky Flats. He links ergot mutations to Hale-Bopp comet debris, predicting mass starvation if consumption spreads, and dismisses religious purity as irrelevant, instead framing humanity’s survival as dependent on proving moral worthiness. Callers debate biblical culling, Satanic entities, Y2K fears, and Comet Lee’s role in Hopi prophecies, with Dames advising remote viewing for personal safety amid potential cosmic disruptions. The episode blends classified claims, apocalyptic warnings, and ethical debates on humanity’s future. [Automatically generated summary]
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And you'll see me sitting here doing the program and just having a wonderful time.
As a matter of fact, I must tell you, it was a beautiful summer day in the desert.
Oh, well, that was more than just a passing illness, as you know.
Keith is recovering at home right now, and he's on medication.
And we're all crossing our fingers and knocking on wood.
So that's, you know, as in really sick.
Listen, Peter, in the last year to year and a half, I could almost, it's almost like the circle of death around Clinton, you know, the number of people who have fallen ill or seriously ill or died around me.
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It's strange.
The editor of Cause and Effect, the newsletter, his significant other came down with a lymphatic form of cancer.
But basically, I represent, I'm director of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy.
Citizens Against UFO Secrecy is against all secrecy, whether it's from the military, whether it's from the government, whether it's from civilian UFO researchers.
Okay, so if we put that on the side for a second.
At the present time, CARS has a lawsuit in the United States District Court in Phoenix, Arizona against the Department of Defense for information on those V-shaped triangular UFOs.
And the Department of Defense has denied any information.
So what I have to do now is prove the existence of the object to the satisfaction of the court.
And then I can infer, well, if the object exists, then the Department of Defense has to have information.
While I'm planning to do this, the U.S. Attorney's Office is moving to dismiss the lawsuit based on the fact Department of Defense did a reasonable search and could not find any information.
And that's the only issue in a Freedom of Information lawsuit, the reasonableness of the search.
So, and as a matter of fact, in an FOIA lawsuit, discovery is very limited.
But there is a possibility of discovery.
Now, I have to find, not only establish the existence of the object, but also try to find places for the Department of Defense to search, because it's obvious the reason they haven't found the documents is because they're not looking in the right places.
So any leads that would allow me to hopefully tell the DOD where to look, I have to.
I have a professional responsibility.
On your show, on separate occasions, there were two individuals that came on and stated that they have spoken to informants who have given them information about certain aspects of the UFO phenomena.
And the two individuals, the first one is Peter Davenport.
And if you remember, it occurred back in April of 1997 when he was on your show, and he told you that he had a meeting with two federal employees.
That's correct.
And he also told you on the show what these two federal employees told him.
And they told him three things.
Number one, that the UFO phenomena is undeniably real.
Two, that UFOs are what they appear to be, namely sophisticated craft under some kind of intelligent control.
There's my link.
In other words, to the V-shaped objects.
And the third thing is that they told him that their organization, whatever that organization is, is quote unquote worried about them.
All right?
So now here I am, director of CORES with a lawsuit in Phoenix, and I have a professional responsibility to follow up on these leads.
Now, I contacted Peter, and he confirmed everything that I just said.
He cooperated and told me about the meeting, but he also said that he had promised these two individuals that he would not reveal their identity.
Okay, now we move over a little bit.
And another individual was on your show on two occasions.
Both of those times was during those disclosure programs.
And I was on, and that's Dr. Stephen Green, on several occasions.
He has indicated that he has over 100, possibly even 200 people.
Eyewitnesses, and I would assume, in positions where they would be an eyewitness, right, to something significant.
Yes.
But for the fact that they do not want to come forward, and they have information at one point I thought he said that would benefit mankind or something like that.
But they're only waiting for congressional immunity or something along those lines.
And as far as I'm concerned, we're never going to get congressional immunity.
It's a factual impossibility.
So my question to you now, I can now, and the motion is prepared, I'm ready to submit it, ask the court.
Now, of course, the court, it's not guaranteed the court will allow it.
ask the court to give me a subpoena to depose both of these individuals.
Through email, you said you would like to depose him.
In other words, almost forcing him to disclose who these people are.
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Well, he also told me that he's sorry he promised them that.
If he had it to do over again, he wouldn't.
So I said, well, I'll take the burden from you.
In other words, I'll force you to do it so that you have no choice because there are only certain privileges, attorney, client, doctor, patient, clergy, parishioner, and then husband and wife and certain limitations.
There is no privilege between UFO researcher and informant.
Okay, but see, the problem is, and I told this in the email to Peter, and I believe the same thing for Dr. Grea.
It's one thing to agree to keep the person confidential, but then to go on national radio and then tell everybody, well, I have these people, but they told me this, and they told me that, and we don't even know the motivation of why, you know, Peter, I get a lot of that.
In the sense that perhaps with Peter Davenport, there you're dealing with an ethical issue on Peter's side.
In other words, what does he do ethically?
In the case of Dr. Greer, a lot of the witnesses that I believe he says he has have taken security oaths.
Now, some I'll bring up with Peter here in a second.
But they've taken security oaths, and they will not come forward unless there is congressional action to give them some sort of immunity, something Peter Gerston does not see coming.
So in the case of Dr. Greer, the revelation of those names without congressional intervention could, I guess, put somebody in jail.
It makes it an awful lot harder question.
So we'll get back into all of this.
Very interesting question in a moment.
Okay, here's Peter Gerston once again.
Peter, welcome back.
Peter plans to depose Peter Davenport of the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle and Dr. Stephen Greer of CE SETI.
What about, Peter, what I said just coming out of the break?
Now, in the case of Dr. Greer, arguably, there are people who have come to Dr. Greer Who have signed agreements with the government not to reveal anything.
And so, at least to some degree, those are going to be some of the names that you're going to get.
And when you get them, you are then going to expose these people to prosecution from the government, right?
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Initially, I would protect them through John Doe affidavits.
I don't have to relieve them.
I don't have to state their name.
I would do any affidavits on my behalf on information and belief.
If they came a time when they would have to testify in court, then I would ask the U.S. Attorney's Office to grant them immunity.
Why wouldn't the U.S. Attorney grant them immunity?
The Department of Defense, their client says they don't have any information, so now I have a witness that has information.
So I would ask them to grant them any kind of immunity concerning the testimony.
But they'll say, no, we will not grant any such immunity because it is a matter of national security.
This person signed a secrecy agreement.
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Okay, but I'm only interested in the V-shaped objects, which according the triangular objects, which according to them, they don't have any information on.
So how could something affect national security and they do not have any information on that?
But as long as they're going to take the position that they do not have any records, They said they have no information.
Now, if they said they had information and it's withheld in national security, then of course I couldn't do anything.
We just argue whether they are properly exempt, like in the other cases we had.
But in this particular case, the Department of Defense is saying they do not have any information on something that's awesome in size.
You know, it's ridiculous.
So there comes a time when you have to seize the moment, COPDM, take advantage of every opportunity, and that's what cause is about.
And basically, when you speak to a, and I'm getting back to Davenport now, when you speak to two federal employees and they tell you that the UFO phenomena is undeniably real, that UFOs are what they appear to be, namely sophisticated craft.
Well, if I were Peter Davenport, I would have done exactly what he said he was going to do.
I would have gone back to the people based on your pressure, and I would have said, look, you've got to help me out here.
I'm in fear of or I may be deposed and forced to give your names, and I would like to have you come forward and possibly still remain anonymous to the general public, but begin the process of disclosure because that's what I know you're trying to do here.
So that's what I would have done had I been Peter.
Now, maybe they told him to take a hike.
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Well, the bottom line is the reason that I'm on the show is because I really rather not have to go this route.
Well, then you're really making an appeal here for the people involved, both with really both of these gentlemen, Peter Datboard and Dr. Greer, to come forward to you now with attorney-client privilege guaranteed rather than putting these gentlemen through the ringer.
If there really is something behind this dark and sinister and secret, and there is a hint that somebody's coming forward, then they are indeed in jeopardy until they have come forward fully.
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Yeah, and you want to hear another coincidence?
I've been asked to speak at the Bay Area UFO Expo in September 4th and 5th.
Well, that's, you know, this is maybe a first step in not having that happen.
Actually, I was going to, you want to know?
I was going to subpoena a third person, Dr. Michael Wolf.
But through different sources I put out that I wanted to speak to him, he spoke to me, and we eliminated the need for him to be served with a subpoena.
He just was stating some projects and some organizations and groups.
But basically, there's nothing that he told me and that I asked.
See, I was able to ask him questions.
He answered all my questions.
As long as he answers all my questions, I can make that determination whether his information would be good in the deposition.
It wouldn't be.
So it's very possible that Greer's information is not the type I would need.
But you see, Peter Davenport is the significant witness in this case because he has the names and he knows the people who work for this agency who have come out and made statements like this.
So you said at the beginning of the show you had a question for me and you had this weird kind of laughter.
Do you really think you've got a good chance of breaking this open this way?
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Well, there are different reasons I bring these lawsuits.
Number one, to get information, and lately we're not getting that information.
They've closed the file cabinets and they keep it locked under the theory that it's not reasonable to go into those file cabinets.
And all they have to do is be reasonable.
But there's a second reason, and that is to bring attention to what CAUSE is all about, to try to bring these people out of the closets to share their experiences.
And that's what the CAUSE updates and the CAUSE website does.
And that's what CAUSE is all about, any way to end secrecy.
The more people you have in an organization, the easier it is to get whatever objectives you want to achieve.
I gave you, without naming it, the name of an operation, an operational name, for you to file a Freedom of Information request, and I know you have done that.
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful.
A miracle, a witness, beautiful, magical.
And all the birds in the trees.
They'd be singing so happily.
Oh, joyfully.
Oh, what can I do?
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The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak moon is deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered, and men should burst up and farm out to the sun again, or to flies to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, or all these things in our memory of all.
I mean you will soon come.
Why?
Why don't you go?
Take me away.
I'll take you.
You're going to be here.
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You know, various prophets have said the King of Terror comes in the seventh month.
Some week that'll be July, some September, or some point in between.
But here, right at the very end of June, I've got the King of Terror, Ed Dames.
I doubt he would bill himself that way, although once they called him Dr. Koom at Doom Dames.
And he is a remote viewer.
Do you know what a remote viewer is?
Maybe not.
We will give you remote viewing 101 and then launch into what we're going to do tonight.
And I know one of the things that he's going to be talking about, you remember the other night when we had Mr. Killihur who talked about what Bob Bigelow was doing?
The research part went on for about 10 years, and there was an overlap of several years between its operational employment and research, and the operations went on for about eight years.
Now, this was the ability of you and others to, for example, view, I don't know, a gas canister in a rack or the location thereof or a person or something or another.
In other words, you guys are really disciplined psychics is what I like to call you.
Actually, the techniques that we adopted is a set of very rigorous perception management techniques.
And this allows us, as remote viewers, to open a window into our unconscious mind, the unconscious part of our own minds, into the collective unconscious, where we can search out anything, a person, a place, a thing, or an event, all of which exist as a pattern of information.
For instance, something may not have even happened yet as an event, but it still exists as a pattern of information.
So there's very little difference in the collective unconscious between something that has already manifest, let's say, in the past, and something that is a given, a fait accompli in the future.
The unconscious part of our own minds, actually, there is only one mind, and it's a universal mind.
You can call it the mind of God if you want.
But our consciousness is plugged into that, except there's a liminal gate, a barrier that separates all the information in the universe from our bicameral brains, because we can't process that much information.
Let's say, for instance, that a young person takes a hallucinogenic drug like ecstasy.
Well, that breaks down that liminal barrier and allows all this unconscious information to start flowing into conscious awareness.
So, in other words, there is a great single connective mind out there, and our unconscious minds are all part of that.
And then there is a separation between our unconscious and our conscious minds as sort of a protective barrier because we could not handle all that information, witness people triven out on LSD, as you pointed out.
Yes, and what we did in the military was to use these techniques to be able to jump over remotely in space and time, particularly in spy operations, to find out what the bad guys were doing or to locate hostages or terrorists.
What I did after I left the military unit was to refine the techniques to allow the techniques to be used for problem solving.
So they became very powerful and error correcting.
For professionals like myself, you could give me, you could front load the problem, and I would not have that much of a problem dealing with it unless it were an emotional issue.
For instance, if someone had abducted one of my sons, then I would not be able to really be effective in locating my son because I would be too emotionally distraught on the problem.
Also, ethical issues, too, arise.
For instance, in addition to mistakes, like for instance, when we've worked many missing persons and we've told many wives and husbands that either their children or spouses were dead and the manner of death, and that's not, I mean, we're the only ones in the world that will do that, that have that kind of confidence rates.
Well, we better be right when we tell, for instance, the Clifton girl.
Wester the Rockies call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255 that their child was dead and that the child was trapped, submerged beneath a wire grid, which happened to be a waterbed, by the way.
She was taped below a waterbed mattress.
And that we would find the body, and that subsequent work, we would locate the body, and we would locate the killers.
That the killer was found.
It was a neighbor boy before we needed to complete any work like that.
But that's the kind of confidence level we have.
It is easy for us to determine and technically remote thing if somebody's going to be able to do that.
We were under a tremendous amount of pressure from the SciTech was to determine what was going on with Art because everybody felt that you were being blackmailed or something was wrong.
We thought there may have been bad guys involved and that you couldn't talk because someone was in danger.
And that was our intent.
But, but, the queuing, the way we set up the problem, that was correct.
Well, let me tell you what happens in cases like that.
In cases where you attempt to go into the private lives of individuals, I mentioned a case once before where Robert Monroe, before he died, asked our military remote viewing team to find out who was attempting to ping him psychically.
And in doing that, we had to penetrate Robert Monroe's mind.
That is not allowable.
There seems to be an ethic involved in this collective mind, this universal consciousness, that disallows us as remote viewers from penetrating the private lives of many people.
The collective unconscious, I'm really fascinated By that whole concept.
It has a kind of a firewall in it, then, that prevents even people like yourself from looking into extremely emotional things or no, that's a personal, that is not a firewall.
What they are doing, just to revisit the situation, they have discovered, their scouts have discovered a hot spot, a hot bed of, let's call it, enigmatic activity, much of which is associated with what we generally and traditionally call UFO activity.
And two, because the public should not be streaming into that place.
Now, I'll have a lot to say about that in this program.
But the work is very important, and they are the right people to be doing it.
But I don't want them to make the mistakes that I made with my scientific teams on two separate occasions and two separate hot spots in the past.
Now, these hot spots, these are areas where there are cattle mutilations, there are all kinds of enigmatic things that happen in a very small geographical area.
Now, the activities in these areas, they peter out.
They don't go on forever.
So there's a golden opportunity here.
I'm going to have some instructions for this team.
And I know people on the board of directors there and others.
And I want to talk to you to your listeners about this and give them some background.
When my military team was in Fort Meade, Maryland, and I was the training officer, many times, as I've said on your program in the past several years, I used to slip my trainees a Mickey.
And I would give them UFO-related targets as training exercises.
These targets were blind, the same way that SciTech trains our students.
The trainees don't know what the target is.
Their unconscious has to do all the work and produce accurate information about the target.
Now, when we did this, we found a hotspot, our first hotspot in the continental United States, and it was in New Mexico, northern New Mexico.
I wish that I had been in the Poconos or somewhere close to Washington, D.C. because of the logistical problems, but it was in northern New Mexico.
So I set out on my own time, on military leave, with other members of the team to go and recon this position.
He is on the science advisory board for NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science, that is involved with this particular site.
I don't think in my 16 years of dealing on the inside track and watching from the outside, that there is anyone who has come closer to understanding the UFO problem than Jacques Vallet.
He didn't, without the kind of tools that SciTech has.
But I think he's going to play a pivotal part in what may end up being real contact, which is ironic because he was the model for François Trovant and Close Encounters of the Third time.
So he may actually be the one to effect or facilitate contact.
Now, he was in that position with me about eight years ago or seven years ago.
In fact, I was out on a reconnaissance with him and some other people that I can't mention, brilliant scientists and engineers, some of the best in this country.
We were slopping around a very, very slippery, wet, miserable New Mexico night trying to get in a position to observe and overwatch an area near Chaco Canyon, New Mexico, where we had determined via remote viewing, the military team, that there was a hotbed of UFO activity at that time.
In fact, I had not had a chance to really spend any time until that night with Jacques Valley, and I talked to him a lot, and I called him Jacques.
I mean, here you were in a military program where I would assume, and that's dangerous ground, I know, Ed, that you said you would slip a Mickey's every now and then like UFOs.
In fact, not only did I do that under the table, but our unit was so close hold that the people that I needed to get regular strategic intelligence information to by using remote viewing were not even allowed to be briefed on the existence of the unit for a lot of political reasons, not necessarily for classification.
And so I would slip that information under the table also.
Well, look, as far as I'm concerned, it would be irresistible because we have talked before, and you said, look, you would go through arduous gazillions of hours with these military targets.
And that's, of course, what the military would have you doing is military targets.
And for diversion and for, I guess, your own education, your own curiosity, you're dealing with things here that we all want to know about, basic questions we really all want to know about.
I know, I know, but there's nothing I can do about that.
And there'll be a number of things I say tonight.
I'm going to have to pull out the stops in a number of places tonight because we're running out of time.
This is 1999.
And in a certain degree, you have to in the intelligence business, we had to groom our enemy.
We wanted to sell them a bill of goods.
We had to groom them and get them to slowly spoon feed them information to create a certain situation, a paradigm, before we could feed them this last bit of lie.
That's called grooming.
It works another way, too.
It's similar to what in the civilian world I've seen called decompression, where the conspiracy theorists say, well, the government is trying to decompress us.
They want to tell us about UFOs, but they can't shove the whole thing down our throats because they'll choke on it, right?
Well, to a certain degree, that's true.
And what I have been doing over the last three years on your program, But only because the truth is so and I'm going to talk about the truth tonight.
Jacques Valley put forth the idea that there's a control system out there.
And we are not observing it as much as it observing us.
And that is what is happening on this ranch that the National Institute for Discovery Science is monitoring.
They think they're monitoring this bizarre, enigmatic set, ensemble of phenomena, the kinds of things that have been going on for decades, and yet they don't know it, but they're being observed.
They're being observed and watched for a change in behavior that would reflect the fact that they understand what they're dealing with.
Well, let me go really slowly because it's necessary that I do that with regard to this particular topic tonight.
I have some other ones to talk about, but this is an important one.
Whitley Schriever, in the book Communion, there's a passage that there are two passages I will never forget.
And they're so meaningful in terms of what I know about the problem.
If I can quote him on one from Communion?
Sure.
Okay, he said, I quote, to really begin to perceive the visitors adequately, it is going to be necessary to invent a new discipline of vision, one that combines the mystic freedom of imagination with the substantial intellectual rigor of the scientist.
That is what remote viewing has done.
Jacques Vallet has said it, he hasn't said it as poetically as Whitley, but he has flat out said, we need, perhaps remote viewing is this tool.
There's one other passage in the book Communion that's very important.
And that is when Whitley describes a point where he is in a sort of a catatonic state, and this bug-eyed gray, for lack of a better word, is looking down at him.
And in a pitiful voice, perhaps not in his own mind, he says or tries to say, you have no right.
In other words, you have no right to do this to me.
Well, this is going to be an interesting night, isn't it?
We really do all want to know who they are, why they're here, and why in God's name, you know, I hope that's not a pun, they have a right to be doing what they're doing to us.
Major Ed Dames is my guest.
Scitech Ed Dames.
And by the way, if you'll get out a pencil and a paper, the SciTech Corporation has released videotapes that will allow you, that's right, you, to remote view if you wish to.
Something you might want to think about very hard.
Get out paper and pencil.
I'll tell you how to get them.
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And Major Ed Dames, I text Major Ed Dames, who knows too much.
I've got a quote here from Jacques Vollet.
It says here, after a lifetime of research into the question of UFOs, Jacques Volley wrote his conclusions in Forbidden Science before announcing retirement from the field.
Those conclusions were in bold face and italics, the strongest emphasis ever given in his writings.
Quote, the UFO phenomenon exists.
It has been with us throughout history.
It is physical in nature and remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science.
It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them.
It affects our own consciousness in ways that we do not grasp fully.
And it generally behaves as a control system.
End quote.
Ed Dames will be right back.
Ed Dames, SciTech Major Ed Dames.
So in a moment, we're going to tell you how to get the videotapes because everybody, virtually everybody, can remote view.
So we're going to tell you how to get them.
Prepare your pencil and paper.
In the meantime, in the meantime, Ed, I read this quote from Jacques Fillet.
And the part I'm interested in, he absolutely says it's a real phenomenon.
Then he says, it affects our own consciousness in ways that we do not fully grasp, and it generally behaves as a control system.
I will by illustration, but I want to reiterate that it's time for Jacques to come out of retirement because there is no one in the field, and I know the field well, inside and out, that is closer to the truth than Jacques Valet.
He's brilliant when it comes to being able to suss out, albeit without the tools, the technical remote viewing tool that finally added the final piece of the puzzle, he came the closest.
He should be the one on the ground when contact is finally facilitated, and I am going to instruct that team how to do that.
Well, what we really want, our deepest desires, is contact.
That's what everybody wants, contact.
The intent, however, in the field is not contact per se.
That's why I threw out my two teams, my scientific teams, because they were not interested in contact.
They were interested in those magnificent machines that they perceived they wanted that technology to take back and build, to have the military-industrial complex built.
So it was both the military-industrial community and NASA scientists, as well as civilian scientists, pure, straight across the board, physicists, some of the best going.
There have been a lot of people, Ed, that have written books saying that contact is not something that we should want, that nearly as they can tell, based on behavior, based on what we've seen with abductions And all the rest of it, that contact wouldn't necessarily be a good thing, that these are not necessarily friends of ours.
And hearkening back now to the NIDS survey, the big survey, they had a big survey done, big enough that it was a two-point something or another error margin.
And they said that 8 out of 10 Americans believe the government would absolutely hide the information if they had it.
And not all that many people necessarily want contact.
The majority of people certainly believe there's something out there, but I don't know about wanting contact.
You released a series of videotapes in modules to instruct the general public how to do what you do.
And the first one is very reasonable.
I have watched the first one.
I can attest to the production values of it.
It's incredible.
I mean, when you watch this tape, there is no question in your mind that what lays before you, if you wish it, is real.
And there's enough in this first tape to help you make a decision, or absolutely to help you make a decision about whether you really want to go forward and learn remote viewing or not.
It's reasonable in content in just the sense that I gave.
In other words, when you are done viewing that, you will know whether you wish to proceed and really know how to remote view based on what you see and hear.
You'll know.
Or whether you, and it's not for everybody, is it?
And then if you really want to go on and take the full course, the price then is pretty expensive, but not compared to what, I mean, remote viewing courses used to cost thousands of dollars.
In fact, when I was on the air early with you and with other remote viewers, it was thousands of dollars.
There are five training tapes, about 10 hours of instruction, about four months of at-home training, and we include a free background tape called The Impossible Challenge, a history of the company, cross-section.
Okay, again, these hotbeds of activity, they peter out.
If we don't show a demonstrable rise in the learning curve as participants at these sites, the activity ceases.
I've been at two such sites in the past 10 years that we discovered through technical remote viewing, brought scientific teams in there to observe activity.
Again, our agenda, our modus operandi, was to gather enough information using various instruments that would determine for the rest of the scientific community, that would convince the rest of the scientific community that we were dealing with something that was unequivocally real and repeatable.
We could go to the same site and make repeated observations.
There is a message there, and then there's a meaning.
The message is in the specific event itself.
But there's a meaning behind it that can only be discerned by using consciousness tools.
And I'll let remote viewers do that for themselves because that's not something I should give away.
I'll be talking about the heavy-duty, hardcore meanings tonight, not Bigfoot and Chupacabra.
You don't want to give everything away.
Let people who learn remote viewing find out what the meanings of each of those events are.
And when you do that, the specific event, that specific event, not all of the Bigfoot or all of the chupacabra appearances in general, each one of the appearances and events has a specific message and a specific meaning.
The system does that.
Some of them are redundant, but some of the meanings are not.
It's a way of testing our intelligence, our wisdom, our IQs.
To see if we understand.
And if we don't, the phenomenon continues to repeat, but not always in the same place.
It moves on to another group, another place geographically, where a different group of people are to see if it can find a higher IQ, another fish that jumps out and says, I got it.
It's like you can't have this information handed, information being what this system is, what it wants to tell you about ourselves, mankind, what it wants to tell you about itself.
It can't be handed to you on a platter.
It's presented as a conundrum, just like Christ presented parables.
Some people said, well, I don't know what he's talking about.
I just came here for the fish.
Other people said, well, you know, gee, let's see, what did he mean by that?
It gives me a headache to think about.
But there were a few people that went home from these parables, and they could not sleep night after night until they got it, until they figured it out.
Because it takes work.
Learning is work.
And life is a learning experience.
And the system is trying to teach us something, but it's not handing wisdom to us on a platter.
We've got to do work.
And we're rats in this little laboratory.
And not all rats are going to get the message.
Collectively, we may have to, one of these days, to survive.
And one good idea for you would be to store a little bit of food.
And we've got the best storable food company around.
They've been in business for 18 years, 18 years, long time before Y2K was even thought of publicly.
People were hiding it back then.
They knew it was going to happen, but nobody talked about it.
Actually, that's something that we're going to discuss with Ed tonight, too.
Not just Y2K, but these certain, you know, the switch on of Y2K and then the switch off of Y2K and the spotlight going elsewhere.
It's really quite remarkable.
All right, tomorrow night we're going to have Marcia Schaefer here, by the way, and she's written a book called Confessions of Intergalactic Anthropologist.
And she is a very, very, very articulate person who is, by the way, recommended by Peter Gerston to me.
And then on Thursday night, Friday morning, we're going to have Roy A. Tucker here, who's going to be discussing, well, he's got a bachelor's in physics and a master's in scientific instrumentation, works at an observatory, and he's going to be discussing near-Earth asteroids and our sun and our sun, which is something that we're going to be talking with Ed about before this morning is out as well.
However, let's go back now to SciTech's Major Ed Dames.
And Ed, Debbie writes the following, very short.
Ed, I think we've always had contact, the aliens type of contact.
They're simply tending their herd, and they're not going to talk to us any more than we talk to cows or lab rats.
And they were in a special file, and they just stay there because we talked about this before.
What is classified is what the satellites were looking at, and also some of the technologies are still classified, even though the satellites were replaced by newer generation models.
Well, this is what we observed in DOD.
The phenomenon that were recorded sporadically that we called UFOs disappeared when a new platform, a more advanced, a newer generation platform was put up.
The newer generation platform would have much more improved optics and acquisition devices.
And now the phenomenon, as if to tease us, would appear only on the new platform's cameras.
You see, well, if you're 100...
So we're being toyed with...
That's correct.
And they are.
And it's nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
But the nonsense has to change in order to keep the viewer ratings up.
People will fall into an ennui.
They will become very bored if we see the same chupacabra all the time.
If we just get Bigfoot, oh, another Bigfoot sighting.
Oh, another Bigfoot.
We need to have novelty.
In experimental psychology, we know in my business that novelty acts as a stimulus.
Unfortunately, I'm an Art Bell addict, but I've been so busy lately that I haven't had the time to catch a lot of your shows, but I did fortunately catch that one.
And how do we manage to get how much consciousness or what percentage of consciousness of human beings has to be raised to that level before contact will occur?
One discussion we had was what would happen at the moment of contact, depending on how it was broken to us.
In other words, if a CNN anchor, you remember that came on and announced contact, there would be disruption, there would be, no doubt, rioting and looting and killing and raping and maiming and whatever.
No, it'll be an intelligent man like Valet who is already recognized as someone who is the expert by both the entertainment industry as well as his fellow peers who respect him greatly.
That's the right person.
That's the right person to bring the message out from that controlled area.
But they need the right date, and they don't have that yet.
For instance, you know, Colm Kelleher was saying, you asked him in your program, in your interview, what they're looking for, and he said, we want to understand the physics.
Wrong answer.
The physics can be matched at every level, every single level.
And the bait has to represent higher, we have to get much smarter.
It has to represent a lot of wisdom on our part.
In fact, it has to represent the idea that we know what their modus operandi is as well.
And that's what it has to be.
It's got to be something, it has to be something that has been unchanged and that it's mutually recognized and accepted by both the system, which is possibly millions and millions of years ahead of us and possibly the agents of our own design, performing product testing on us, perhaps.
It's got to be recognized by all mankind as the most meaningful element of humanity and the most powerful symbol connected to our race throughout time and something that, despite the vast changes in culture and science, has remained unchanged until now when it's starting to actually be threatened by destruction, by our own folly.
We put this bait out, and we'll be able to elicit contact in a no-nonsense way.
And the way we do it is this: they go into that area on that ranch, the center of mass of the activity.
And in a tent, they place the bait.
The bait can't have any recording devices or any transmitting devices.
And, you know, let's not kid ourselves.
They're going to know if there's anything hidden.
Who are we kidding here?
And nothing, no electronic devices with the bait.
The bait stays in the tent for 24 hours.
The observers back off about a mile, and they can observe from a mile away.
After about 24 hours, they recover the bait and examine it for contact.
There's Dr. Robert John at Princeton University at the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Project.
He, in all of his years of trying to understand psychokinesis in the PK laboratory, he and Brenda Dunn, Dr. Brenda Dunn, have come to the conclusion that it appears that the psychokinetic effect is strongest when in the vicinity of a couple in love.
Well, he actually said that to the scientific community.
There goes his reputation, not his reputation, but there goes his science.
That's the end of the project.
That's essentially the end of the project.
Because science deals with mind, not emotions.
Emotions belong to the body.
That's the end.
There's no integration, mind and body in science today.
And so he actually said that.
And he also quoted Einstein.
And he quoted Einstein by saying, I quote, science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind.
That's Albert Einstein.
So the great thinkers of our time, Einstein, Robert John, Jacques Villais, they're on to this.
They are the vanguard.
They're the ones that know, but they're being pulled down by the system.
In other words, we would have risen to the occasion that would allow the next step in our understanding would be a new carrot.
The contact would arise probably with the mother and child.
Not necessarily, but by doing that with our intent of here, we, you know, this is what we have to offer you.
Think of the fantasy stories where you stake out the virgin for the dragon, right?
You need to propitiate a dragon.
In legends of old, you put a virgin out there.
And these days, a mother and child, which represents our knowledge of what is most important to our humanness and to humanity in general.
Although, we're starting to monkey with that these days.
And that may cause our demise.
But this whole system is presenting itself as a conundrum, a challenge.
Think of the Sphinx with a riddle.
The Sphinx has a riddle.
Or the troll, if you don't answer the troll's riddle, you can't cross the bridge and he eats you.
The Sphinx eats you if you can't answer the riddle.
But if you answer it, you get the object of your desire.
The king gives you his daughter if you answer the riddle.
If you don't, your head's off.
Those kinds of things.
It's that kind of fantasy brought up to a much higher level, a level that may mean our survival or survival of a good part of the human race, I suspect.
If they continue to demonstrate what we did and my team did, of taking observation up to a new level of technology with microwave recording devices, electromagnetic field change devices, magnetic field change, you name it,
IR, ultraviolet recording, it's just going to disappear and peter out because it means that we do not understand what their modus operandi is, which is to tell us who we are, to tell us who we are first to understand who they are.
And Jacques Fallais, ironically, I say ironically, because Close Encounters of the Third Kind has a model for him, this Professor Trefant, I think his name was, or François Trefant, was actually modeled after Jacques Valley.
And Vallet also happens to be on the science advisory board for NIDS.
And NIDS is in possession of this particular target area right now.
Ed always manages to come on here and blow me away.
And we were talking about the show we did with Colin Kellogger last week about NIDS, which is financed largely by Bob Bigelow, who does a lot of very good, quiet work.
He's not public about it.
He's very private, very private person, very nice guy.
And he's doing a lot of really good, serious work, as Ed has said.
And I guess Ed has hit something on the head here because I've got somebody who works for NIDS on the phone whose name is John Alexander.
John, welcome to the program.
Oh, thank you.
You've been apparently listening.
You're going to have to yell at us a little, John, even though it's the middle of the night.
You're not too strong.
Anyway, you sent me a quick, simple little facts that kind of really surprised me.
You said mother and children, too, were there, and they left because of perceived danger to them.
We're talking about this unidentified hotspot, right?
And you're saying they were there, and they left because of perceived danger to them.
Is there any way you can expand on that without telling too much?
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It would be very tricky because, as you know, we're very protective of the identities of the individual and particularly the children, because the children have been harassed as some word got out about the location and who they might be and that.
And the other kids at school have been pretty vicious.
In other words, here Ed was laying this out, and you're, in effect, confirming some aspect of it, but because of actual real danger to them, they couldn't stop it.
I understand that, and I understand why Bob would be hesitant if it went wrong, aside from whatever legal problems there might be, you'd never forgive yourself.
I've known Colonel Alexander for many years and one of the finest officers I've ever met and the right person, again, one of the right people to have up there.
But they are not technical remote viewers.
What we need is a mother who has the courage and the willingness to volunteer with her child, and I mean infant, to go and stake out, just like you would propitiate the dragon.
And that's what it's going to take.
Because I'll tell you what, if we don't demonstrate that we're worth saving, even at the last minute, some survival may be at stake here.
I may be wrong, but I suspect that I'm not.
And some courage has to be, it doesn't have to be macho military, special ops, black unit courage.
I'm talking about a mother, a woman with an infant child that represents all the things that I said it represents, including courage.
It depicted a woman through, and the end times were occurring.
I mean, all manner of pestilence and everything else was coming upon the earth, and she was pregnant.
And at the very end of the movie, there was this incredible scene where she was asked, as she was giving birth to this child, to give her own life for the child.
And that's what stopped this cascade of the end times.
One person willing to give her life for her child.
And when you talked about what you talked about with a mother and an infant, it suddenly flashed on me, and I recalled that one woman giving her life for her child.
Bob, in undertaking something like you're talking about right now, would have to, you know, if I were in Bob's place, I don't know that I can make that decision.
You know, I didn't think about that, and I know that's a bunch of very responsible people, but I don't know what to say, Art.
Those things did not occur to me from my angle of attack, which is via consciousness, looking at the systems MOs, RMOs, and what would be required to initiate a new level of interaction.
I didn't think about those administrative real-world problems.
It was a number, well, it wasn't just one session.
It was 15 years of experience on the ground and with remote viewing on the inside track and the outside as an observer plus remote viewing.
So it was a lot of years of experience that led up to this, and it was this knowledge that NIDS had a hot zone and the right people present, particularly Jacques Delet, that sparked preparation for this program in this manner.
I can understand, though, that the responsible people at NIDS, when this began to occur, when they perceived the danger to these children and the mother, got them the hell out of there.
Again, I have to point out that it's perceived danger.
Yes, cattle are mutilated there.
Yes, wires are ripped from a camera.
I agree.
I agree that that would be perceived as certainly dangerous by most people.
But unfortunately, it's going to take a lot more Remote viewers to be able to get behind the scenes and see the Wizard of Oz pulling these strings and the whistles and the bells don't mean that the Wizard of Oz is what he's projecting or it's projecting.
And with a little bit, of course she has to have some courage, but hell, walking down, it wouldn't be as much courage as walking down the streets of Los Angeles at night would take.
That just absolutely shocked me that John would call up and offer that up.
It just shocked me.
Anyway, look, you and I have had a number of discussions about the sun and what's going on or will be going on on the sun.
Now, at the beginning of the year, Ed, in fact, before the beginning of the year, you were saying on my program, forget Y2K.
You're saying, forget Y2K.
I remember you're saying this.
You said there will be an event that will make that look like nothing.
And you talk about a kill shot or a shot from the sun.
And, you know, a strange thing happened at the beginning of the year.
It's like somebody turned a switch, and everybody was talking about Y2K.
It was on CNN.
It was on every one of the networks.
Everybody covered it.
And then, boom, it's like somebody threw a switch off and the coverage of Y2K stopped.
And when it did, I began to see articles and stuff on CNN and the other networks saying that the sun's activity in and around the year 2000, January, may make any Y2K concerns look small indeed.
And that just blew me away.
Because you said that.
Now, what's going on?
Can you tell me what's going on in our mass media that turn switches on and off like that?
There must be something they know.
To an effect, in the press, fulfill what you had to say a long time ago, that Y2K would be supplanted or preceded by an event that would make it not even worth worrying about.
I mean, there are individuals in NASA who probably could not, because they would risk their occupation, their jobs, come forward individually and say, I suspect there's a pattern emerging of increased solar activity that is a little bit disturbing.
In fact, it's quite disturbing.
It looks like the X-ray levels, for instance, are higher than we had anticipated.
And they would brief, that information would leak out to the media, that's speculation.
But as remote viewers, we could never pick up the idea of any Y2K associated activities.
We could only pick up the idea of a very big solar flare.
We're going to have to start dodging Thor's hammer really quickly because that's what's going to happen.
There's going to be at least one.
You know, last month, I think about a month and a half ago, there was what NASA scientists call a planet buster.
That, Ed, is why I say remote viewing is not for everybody because everybody does not necessarily want to know or they would not be helped in any way and probably hurt psychologically by knowing that something as severe as this is looming.
But there's more to this flare than you might think.
One or two flares of that magnitude, it isn't just the idea of power grids eclipsing or making the Y2K problem moot at approximately the same time.
It is the weather.
We're dealing with severe weather as a follow-up to this very increased solar activity, very severe weather, parched earth, a lot of extreme weather effects that will kill a lot of people directly and specifically indirectly, particularly famine.
A lot of people want to hear about that, and I've read a couple of stories that would seem to confirm what you've said about that as well.
So hold it right there.
My guest is Ed Dames.
And if you've got the guts, we'll be right back.
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into a church I pass a long way I think I'm on a dream and hate Well, I got down on...
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One thing I wanted to, vis-à-vis the solar flare and weather art, was that there's yet one other danger that escapes people rather than just high winds and parched earth and those kinds of things.
And that is there's a lot of radioactive waste storage sites around the world.
And there are tornadoes appearing, for instance, in North America, in places where tornadoes have not appeared before.
They're wandering over into areas where we haven't seen tornadoes before.
And if one of those tornadoes, for instance, rolled across Rocky Flats in Colorado, Rocky Flats is contaminated.
I mean, there's about a centimeter or more of soil around that area that has a whole lot of contaminants.
Well, now, I read a story, and I can't remember the source just now.
It might have been the BBC, but they said that a mutated pathogen is now appearing in Africa, which in years past, a long time ago, I guess, had killed up to two-thirds, I believe they said, of all the crops in Africa.
Two-thirds.
And now it's back in some mutated form.
And little alarm bells went off when I read that story.
Well, for all you phytopathologists in the listening audience, let me tell you what we've got here.
Now, first of all, we're going to get, here goes my credibility level way down.
But again, I don't know what to do about this.
It was the toughest decision I ever made as a president of this corporation.
And I made this decision two years ago to put this on the air on your show.
And that was that there was a company, not accompanying, but actually attached, physically attached to the rock that was called the Haleboph comet, a cylindrical man-made object.
I won't use man-made.
Let's call it artificial.
This object that detached from the Hale-Bob Comet, and as Halebaff swung by and out of the solar system, this canister began to head towards Earth and entered the Earth's atmosphere about a year ago and disseminated its contents over the continent of Africa.
That was a hard decision to make because, you know.
And what we didn't, we knew that the contents of the cylinder, actually the contents were embedded in the cylinder, as it disintegrated in the atmosphere over Africa, northwest Africa.
These contents, the effects were a plant pathogen, some type of plant pathogen.
We had to study this.
We took another six months and studied it.
And we knew that then, based upon more information, that we were dealing with something like a fungus.
In fact, with further remote viewing, something that wasn't a fungus per se, wasn't an actual species, is what we called a fungal accelerator, for lack of a better term.
It's a fungus that grows on a number of different plant species, especially grasses.
It grows on the heads of grain, and that's how LSD is derived.
Ergot.
And if you eat grass heads or grain heads that are contaminated, like maize or corn, that have this, are diseased with this, you can actually experience ergotism, which is hallucinogenic behavior.
but it can get much worse.
When cattle eat heavily contaminated species of grasses that are heavily contaminated with ergot...
Well, no, no, no, actually, no.
They have not just hallucinogenic effects, but there is a gangrenous effect that actually, this is unbelievable, but it actually happens.
Particularly when the limbs start to fall off of cattle.
And if people have nothing to eat and out of desperation, they eat grain heads, wheat, maize, corn, contaminated with this, the same thing will happen to them.
Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dains.
Hi.
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Hi, Art.
Hi, Ed.
Ed, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I have been listening for three years while you've been on the Art Bell show.
And you drop a lot of names.
You know, if Malachi Martin's on, then we'll go in this direction.
And Jacques Valley.
My point is remote viewing, according to SciTech, is supposedly 100% correct, but then you don't know we're going to have this contact, but then we cannot remote view this and see what's coming.
You remote viewed Art Bell and you were wrong there.
What have you ever remote viewed that ever came to fruition?
Well, I think it may have been wrong to go forward with predictive intelligence, except we were concerned about these kinds of things.
And people have moved as a result of that, and it's good.
Lives will have been saved.
But remote viewing is best served as...
an investigative tool rather than a predictive tool.
The reason I got involved personally in the predictive aspect was because these kinds of geophysical events are life-threatening to the point where many thousands of people's lives are threatened.
And out of your listening audience, some people will get up and say, we've got to move or we need to store fresh water or food and we may be able to save some lives that way.
Basically, if you think that aliens actually did, we are actually, there's some kind of spawn or experiment or something, and the reason why the time frame has lessened in regards to our impressing them,
do you think also because of what's happening with the sun and everything else with the environment and just being the end times per se, that they might be trying to say, well, are you worth saving?
That's the first question.
Do you think that that's all correlated?
Maybe they know that something big is going to happen.
I think I'm speculating, but I think that we need to demonstrate that we're worth saving.
In terms of survival, that's why I think that this ET UFO question may be of survival value to us and that we may need to demonstrate that we're worth saving.
Okay, so with the answer being yes, then looking at the larger global situation of humans, how we've basically desecrated the earth, I mean, you were just talking about, you know, the tornadoes and how we've poisoned the earth and it's, you know, whipped up radiation and everything.
And our species has like softened.
You know, we're no longer noble creatures.
Most mothers are more interested in their careers or monetary or things like that.
And that's why we have all these push-off kids, and that's why we have the Caliban and everything else.
Are we, I mean, seriously, do you really think that we're worth saving after everything that we've done to the earth and how we treat our own children now?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hi.
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Hello.
I was wondering, Ed, do you feel that Terrence McKenna was right about there being two types of alien flash visitors, dimension shifters and hallucinations?
You've got to understand that people crawling all over at the press and all the rest of it would be detrimental.
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However, I'd like to speak with John Alexander sometime because I'm not sure if they know there are I know of two definite landing sites out not on the ranch but in the vicinity and then two other definite ones or two other possible possible ones that have been used before.
I think that might be to their interest to look at that to look at those locations.
And it reads, After finishing writing Dare to Prepare, I truly feel our world has changed permanently with regard to weather and disasters.
Just released in the last couple of days by a scientist at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in the United Kingdom, the interplanetary magnetic field has increased 40% since 1964 and has doubled since 1901.
Scientists are attributing this to a more energetic sun, proving it is putting out way more energy in recent days.
The sun's energy output directly affects our weather on Earth, particularly things like El Nino, increase hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, floods, freak storms, and so forth.
As the sun puts out more energy, it changes our normal weather patterns.
These are things we can't do anything about.
It's not a matter of just controlling greenhouse emissions, though they do play a part.
The sun's output is beyond our control, and it's simply up to us to deal with the consequences.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
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Good morning, or good morning, Ed.
Good morning.
This is Ben calling you from Columbia, Missouri, listen to you on KFRU 1400.
And my question is for Ed.
It's about a piece of second-hand information that I heard, actually, about an experience you had remote viewing.
And the reason that I ask is I'm a Satanist, and I actually really enjoyed the program that you had with Andre Schlesinger.
And if you ever have him back on, that would be wonderful.
Anyway, my question is, since I'm a Satanist, I'd heard a second-hand piece of information about you having had remote viewed kind of an entity which you took to be Satan.
And I'd heard this secondhand, got really excited, and heard that you were on the program tonight, thought I should call and ask.
And being a Satanist, I don't believe in the Christian God or the Christian devil.
But I'm fascinated to hear about this, if this is in fact something that is true.
Actually, a result of about seven weeks of remote viewing, a project that I instituted about two months prior to the Columbia shooting, where I felt that the syndrome of children killing children in the United States may have something behind it that is supernatural, for lack of a better word.
So I sought out to see what was behind that.
I started out by remote viewing the idea of Satan as a generic search.
And what fell out of that project was the idea that Satan was not geographically associated with this earth anymore, but that there is an entity, two other entities, discrete individual entities that one could call lieutenants of Satan that are here.
And operating, yes.
Although their resources are limited, they're elegantly focused in certain areas, focused to cause a war, because war is a primary source of hatred, and hatred spawns more hatred.
So that's where their efforts are generally focused.
Each of them, sort of an amorphous light, that's all.
With no discernible form.
But the ideas associated with them and some emotions are pretty discernible.
And they know when you're looking at them.
They know when a human's unconscious attention is focused on them.
And they could care less because it doesn't appear that anything that we do affects their plans.
That was very interesting to me.
Just as like, take a look.
It's as if years ago when I was tasked with penetrating using remote viewing methods Saddam Hussein's war room, it was as if when I penetrated a war room of these two entities, they could care less that I could see all their battle plans because nothing I would do would affect them.
That was interesting to me.
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Just out of curiosity, what is your religious preference?
When Ed suggested that the bond of love between mother and child might be what they want to see, I'm wondering if perhaps maybe the purity of our soul would be equal or perhaps superior to just love.
Now, to express the purity of our soul and put it in the temp would be difficult.
And so this will only be a good thought to some parts of your listening audience, but I'm thinking that perhaps the unbloody sacrifice of bread and wine, which is the real presence of the body and blood of Jesus Christ put in that tent with a human being willing to kneel before it,
worshiping Jesus Christ in the form of bread and wine consecrated by a priest, might not then be as close as one could get to the purity of soul.
Soul is not concrete and can't be put in there.
But our worshiping of Jesus in the presence of the body and blood of Christ in communion might very well then be something they would understand as our attempt to be pure.
And somebody called earlier and made mention Of, well, when Father Malachi Martin was around, you went that direction.
Well, Father Malachi Martin, if you listen to him carefully, was saying almost exactly the same sort of thing that you've been saying, using slightly different language, talking about the third secret of Fatima, talking about something worse than we could possibly imagine.
Imagine the worst, and it's worse than that, he said.
And talked about signs from the skies.
And you really have talked of very similar things.
He talked right to it, if you really listen carefully to it.
One is that it's even I, with my nom de cur of Dr. Doom, the one that I took to the White House with me, I don't like to talk about the kind of carnage that we're going to see geophysically induced.
We're going to see a lot of people die, especially from starvation and thirst, you know, drought, there.
Number two is, you remember when you invited me, I told you I would like to go toe-to-toe with Malachi Martin on this issue of remote viewing two and a half years ago.
Malachi Martin and I talked, and I said, you know, Father, we don't take our spirituality, we don't lose our spirituality when we go in to the unconscious.
It goes with us.
And that's the truth.
Technical remote healing doesn't make you a more spiritual person.
It causes you to stop and perhaps rearrange your priorities in life, but it has no effect on spirituality.
Well, Father Martin is not one to mince his words or be afraid to confront anybody on any subject, and yet my recollection of that encounter was one basically of agreement.
Three years ago, we were perceiving something in the out-years that my company called a discontinuity, meaning a break in human evolution.
And it took a long time to determine what that was because it was global in nature and it killed a lot of people directly and indirectly, mostly indirectly through parched Earth.
This turned out to be our own sun.
And over the last couple of years, we were finally able to say it'll be a solar flare.
And we told Art that about a year and a half, two years ago.
So that's, and we did that because we wanted people to think about doing two things.
Number one, moving, getting away, moving to places where there are snow-packed mountains with deep valleys that would offer protection or areas where there would be a lot of fresh water and rain.
If they could not do that, then think about storing a lot of fresh water and food.
That's why we went forward with that kind of doom and gloom scenario.
That's why.
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That's really good.
It lets people know that because they can be prepared.
And more than anything, what we want people to do is to learn how to remote view, not just because it's the business that I'm in, but because it's who in the heck wants to listen to someone like me saying, a lot of us are going to die, and it's going to be a mad max scenario, which I believe that it is, especially in the cities.
She may be referring to my teacher, my mentor, and the person who developed the genesis of remote viewing today, the military remote viewing, was Ingo Swann.
Ingo Swann and Harold Sherman, another famous American psychic, both remote viewed Jupiter way prior to the first space probe passing that way, Voyager.
And they perceived Jupiter to have a ring around it.
And of course, NASA poo-pooed that idea until the Voyager spacecraft detected the ring around Jupiter.
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And I have a couple questions for Ed, but one quick comment for you is I wish there was some way you could run your program without commercials because it's really frustrating to hear the world's going to end and we're all going to die.
Now, when you say you haven't looked, I mean, what would cause you to look at these specific spots in the first place, or have you looked and these came out to be safe?
The way we did it was we looked at individuals who were in my training course years ago, specific individuals.
And these places turned out to be a function of their personality, the individuals' personalities, where they would enjoy living as much as possible, and other intangibles that we couldn't quite understand,
except the commonality was either deep canyons, very deep canyons, or caves, and in all cases, fresh water, either as snowpack in glaciers, lakes, or rain.
That was a common factor.
And the one other factor was relative isolation so that you don't have spillover from cities.
I believe that we have an etheric spirit body, an actual body that lives in the unconscious, and he's the one flying around looking for you when you name the target to show you the information that you seek, that you go look, I mean, that you seek.
In the old days and in the military, prior to the development of this tool, this focused high attention management technique that we use, we did use altered states.
And in those days, where you lay down in a darkened room, you go into an altered state in a very controlled way, then it was something like what you're suggesting.
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Well, Art Bell had a guest on the other night, and this is about cloning.
And she said that the only way that we become immortal is through understanding chemistry.
She was a doctor who is going to be or is in discussions to assist Dr. Seed in the first full human cloning.
Really an interesting guest.
I asked her an hour into the interview, do you believe in God?
She didn't even miss a beat, said no.
When you die, it's black velvet.
I mean, that's it.
Gone.
Goodbye.
And she said the only way that human beings will eventually become immortal is by their own hand, by science, and that cloning will be the answer to that.
Eventually, we'll be able to clone and virtually download the information in a mind.
And that, of course, would be a form of immortality.
In terms of consciousness, in terms of the continuity of consciousness, that's been the buzzword in the last eight to ten years.
I agree.
I absolutely agree.
But if you have two living organisms, in this case, in her example, living human beings, they would each possess different personalities as a function of different souls.
The consciousness would be almost a pure clone up to the moment that there was a differentiation, until there was a split.
At that point, the experiences would be different.
And because each of the souls would be different, then you'd have different entities.
The information is offered for your consideration, and it's one of those things where, as you listen to it, you either know what you're hearing is right or you think it's a bunch of hooey.
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Now, my question to you, like the sincere question is, now, how do you guys, like, not really get your information, but how do you divulge it and go, okay, this is what I'm going to say, and I can believe this will happen because I have to say it.
There's a way to know that's reasonable without learning technical remote viewing, and that is just prior to going to sleep this morning or any other morning that you choose, frame that question succinctly in your mind,
that particular question, Beaverton, Oregon, or what did you say, the town was that particular question, that's a dichotomy, and go to sleep without framing that on your mind with no other idea.
And when you wake up in the morning, as soon as you wake up, you have about 30 seconds to grab the answer before it is gone.
So you should have a tape recorder next to your bed or pen and a pad next to your bed and write that answer down because it's going to evaporate in about 30 seconds.
I couldn't remember where the cylinder was initially from, and then I wanted to ask about something else that was supposed to be real bad, which nobody's talked about tonight, which was North Korea.