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June 14, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Hilly Rose - Lady Ambermaeve - Wicca

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unidentified		You'll listen to poster, close a.
		With Hilly Rose, to talk with Hilly from west of the Rockies, at 1-800-618-8255.
		That's 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies.
		1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		Now, filling in for Artfell, Billy Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Wishing you a kind and gentle night.
		Because I don't know what kind of a gentle night this is.
		You listen to the newscast and, you know, man, what's going on?
unidentified		Let's see.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		The Russians are in Kosovo.
		Not supposed to be, but there they are.
		And, you know, the head guy from NATO, the head military guy, and the British guy, it looks like Gracula, he's saying, well, the Russians are occupying the air base at Kosovo, which was going to be my headquarters, but hey, big deal.
		You know, there's lots of Kosovo to set up headquarters in.
		So let's not push it here.
		In the meantime, the Russians are doing exactly what they want, which is what the Russians have always done, friends.
		So what else is new?
		Okay, so the Russians are in Kosovo.
		Do you think the Chinese will come into Kosovo anytime soon?
		Got a brigade of Chinese in there.
		And just tonight, South Korea took off after North Korea shot down, I think it was one of their boats, because I didn't get the whole story, but the North Koreans were there fishing.
		They're starving to death in North Korea.
		So they came into a fishing field that South Korea says is theirs.
		So of course, you don't send them a centaphor and say, get the hell out of here.
		You'd sink their boat.
		I mean, that's the way things are done, right?
		Anyway, Iraq, haven't heard from Iraq lately.
		There's not enough room on the front pages for Iraq.
		And now we've got three kids in Sacramento who were caught before they bombed the school.
		Now, that's the good news, right?
		They caught them before they bombed the school.
unidentified		Oh, I tell you, ain't we got fun?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Big show tonight.
		Big show tonight.
		Big controversy coming up in the next hour.
		We're going to be talking with Lady Amber Maeve of the Covenant of the Goddess, who are the Wiccans.
		Big controversy.
		The Army now allows the Wiccans to practice witchcraft ceremonies in about six or seven different Army bases.
		And Congressman Bob Bell saying, uh-oh, what happens next?
		Satan devil worshipers are going to come there.
		But we are mainly going to focus on the Wiccans tonight and who they are.
		Pardon me.
		And I shouldn't drink water while I'm talking to you.
		And what is it that they're all about?
		I remember way back in October, was it only in October, friends, when Ark took his very quick hiatus and I filled in.
		And on my very first night, I said something about Wiccans and said I didn't know much about it.
		And man, all kinds of people called in.
		So I thought, hey, it's time now to do a show about the Wiccans and see what this is all about.
		Coming up the next hour.
		I talked to Joyce Riley today about what went on at 29 Palms.
		You remember we had a show about that last Monday.
		And this is where a number of corporals, I believe they're all corporals, five of them, are going to be courts-martialed because they're refusing to take the anthrax vaccine, but not quite.
		The way they're phrasing it is that the failure to follow a lawful order, that's the way it's phrased, and that's what they're going to go on courts-martial for at the 29 Columns Marine Base in the desert in California.
		And I talked anyway, I talked to Joyce Riley today, and she said that the judge did rule.
		I know this is going to shock you.
		I know you're just saying, oh my goodness, the judge who was going to rule on a bunch of discovery motions was going to rule on the lawfulness of the Secretary of Defense's order to give everybody an anthrax vaccine, whether they want it or not.
		Just, hey, we don't know if it works.
		We know it could be harmful, but hey, don't worry about it.
		Just give every one of them suckers.
		But I don't plan to take it, of course.
		You know, it's not anything I plan to do.
		Anyway, the judge did rule on Thursday at 29 Palms, and I know you're just going to be shocked, just shocked.
		Pick up the usual suspects, friends.
		Shocked to find out that the judge ruled that it was a lawful order given by the Secretary of Defense, and therefore we'll just go ahead and court-martial these five suckers back with them.
		Right?
		Doesn't matter right, wrong, indifference, doesn't matter.
		Joyce says that they have about 300 signs out there of 29 pounds.
		They're about to put them up during the courts-martial, and they've taken full-page ads in the Penny Saver paper out there.
		And I said to Joyce, you know, you can do this, but it is clear from the absolute callous way that we were treated by the Marine Corps last week that they don't give a darn.
		And what do you expect?
		If the Secretary of Defense says, all right, everybody now, line up here and we're going to shoot your ass.
		What do you think is going to happen?
		You think the general is going to say, no, no, no, it's an unlawful order.
unidentified		No, no, no, we can't do that.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Anthrax isn't good for you.
		It may give you the heebie-jeebies or something.
		Ain't going to happen.
		Just not going to happen.
		So I have suggested to Joyce that maybe what we really need to do is to mob a campaign to Secretary Cohn, the Secretary of Defense, telling him exactly how we Americans feel about this.
		And that probably will do more.
		But, you know, Joyce is going to have these signs up there, have 29 palms, and do whatever it is that she's going to do.
		And so I'm just bringing you up to date here.
		This is open line in this portion of the program.
		I can do whatever I want, can't I?
		Art does.
		Why can't I do it?
		I can sit here and tell you what I had for lunch today, if that's what you want to know.
		I can only tell you I had lunch at a very elegant place here in Medford, Oregon.
		They have a sign that says, we do it your way.
		That's all I know about it.
		You want it with the onions without the onions, you know.
		I usually take it without the mayonnaise.
		People think I'm crazy, but that's where all the fat is.
		Did you know that?
		That's where all the fat is in those sandwiches, is in the mayonnaise.
		It tastes just as good.
		You use the secret sauce and the onions and all the rest of it.
		Just get off of the mayonnaise.
		All right, I have been asked, this is an honor now, and I come on, give me a break here.
		I'm going to toot my own horn because ain't nobody else tooting it around here.
		I'm going to toot my own horn.
		I am going to be on a program this coming Saturday night, which is number one program.
		Let's see if I have this information here.
		I know it's here somewhere.
		Anyway, it's coming out of radio station CKTB.
		I don't know where that is.
		It's in Canada somewhere.
		And this is the number one program in Canada, oh, it's in St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada.
		It's called the Ex-Zone Radio Show.
		And they do what we do here.
		They investigate the world of the paranormal and the science of parapsychology.
		He claims to be number one in Canada, New York, Pennsylvania.
		I don't have it in front of me, but that's apparently what it is.
		Anyway, I will be on.
		Rob McConnell is the host, and I will be on this coming Saturday night.
		You can find out what's the truth about Hillary Rose.
		What is he hiding?
		Why doesn't he tell us about himself?
		Well, there's the big opportunity, friends.
		Rob has kindly invited me on the program.
		His show precedes, I believe, the Art Bell program in that area of the eastern United States and Canada.
		So I'll be on starting at 11.45 p.m. Eastern Time this coming Saturday night.
		As though you don't get enough of me right here on the Art Bell Show, right?
unidentified		All right, what else do we want to talk about?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We've given you all the highlights of the news.
		I see Iraq.
		Yeah, I did say it's off the front pages, but don't think we're not bombing there.
unidentified		We are.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Just to keep things handy and keep our hand in.
		We haven't had enough practice in Kosovo and Yugoslavia.
		So there we go.
		Story I saved for you from last week.
		It's from the BBC.
		It says astronomers have discovered the most distant galaxy yet found.
		It was detected because it gives off radio waves.
unidentified		Aha!
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		There is somebody out there.
		Maybe there's an Art Bell out there.
		And where is this place?
		It's 11 billion light years from Earth.
		11 billion light years from Earth.
		Give me a break.
		You know how far that is?
		That's farther than the nearest McDonald's, I'll tell you that.
		The radio waves emitted by radio galaxies I thought to be powered by beams of extremely hot gas coming from, well I get that after McDonald's, hot gas coming from supermassive black holes buried at their cores.
		The nearest and first known radio galaxy, Cygnus A, was discovered nearly 50 years ago.
		This newly discovered radio galaxy is 200 times more distant, 30 times more luminous, and was burned when the universe was still very young.
		And that was a long time ago.
		So, strange things are happening out there.
		I know you've been hearing the shows that I've been doing about various things.
		We did Emmanuel Velikovsky, what he had to say on Dreamland yesterday.
		And then we did another one with the head of the parade, Science Literary Parade Magazine.
		And we've been looking a lot into the skies.
		And you know what it all comes down to, friends?
		They ain't got a clue.
		They don't know what's going on out there.
		They don't know any more than the ancients did.
		And the ancients probably knew more than they did.
		And they do, with all of their great telescopes.
		The Sumerians 6,000 years ago had a pretty good idea of what was up there in the sky.
		They talked about planets that we didn't discover until quite recently, within this century.
unidentified		6,000 years ago, they knew they were there.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So don't tell me about how we can't do space travel.
		What, with our very primitive technology, we can't do space travel.
		We can't go to the far places of the universe.
		We haven't begun to research what the possibilities are of going to, what is the name of this thing?
		It's TNJ0924-2201.
		We could go to TNJ0924-2201, and I bet we will at some time.
		11 billion light years from Earth.
		That is incredible.
		Just incredible.
		All right, what else do I want to tell you?
		I want to tell you a week from tonight, a week from tonight, I will be back, and I will be talking to a woman who is a psychotherapist and runs groups for people who have been abducted by aliens.
		Her name is Constance Clear, a psychotherapist.
		She will tell us about a number of cases.
		She will tell you how you will know whether you have been abducted.
		You may have been abducted and you haven't a clue.
		You just know something is strange.
		She'll tell you what you should be looking for.
		That's a week from tonight, and of course I'll be on Greenland again this coming Sunday.
		I think if I remember who it is, it's on.
		Oh yeah, we're going to talk about the Urantia book.
		You know about the Urantia book?
		Ooh.
		This is something that is out there and people have been paying a lot of attention.
		But it turns out that Adam and Eve were real.
		And evolution really happened, according to the Urania book, anyway.
		And what else?
		The Garden of Eden and Atlantis were one and the same.
		Did you know that?
		And this also, the guy who has written this book, not the Urania book, but the book he's written, is Kelly Elsworth.
		And he is very much like that guy I had on, oh, back in October.
		I can't think of his name, right?
unidentified		Glenn Kimball.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Glenn Kimball?
		Very much like that.
		And he verifies many of the things that Glenn Kimball says about Jesus and who Jesus was and all kinds of good stuff.
		So I got a lot of great, I can't wait to do them.
		I can't wait to come back and do them.
		Art Bill will be here tomorrow night on Wednesday and Thursday, right?
		And I can't wait to come back and do all these wonderful programs and talk to these guests and what have you.
		Well, what have you right now is open line.
		We've given you the numbers.
		I just need to tell you, oh, I have a new email.
		A new email, friends.
		And pardon?
		Do I want the numbers again?
		No, my lines are jammed.
		I don't want the numbers again.
		Every line is lit.
		Yes, I have a new email.
		That's very important to tell you that.
		A lot of people just didn't understand what I was saying when I said it's hrose at Primrod.com.
		They would misspell it.
		It was a mess.
		My name is spelled H-I-L-L-Y.
		Some people think it's an I, but it's H-I-L-L-Y.
		So my new email address is hilly at hillyroose.com.
		How much more simple can that be?
		Hilly at Hillerose.com.
		Now that's courtesy through Keith Rowland, who maintains a fantastic Artville webpage.
		And I want to thank him so very much because it's working.
		I've gotten it since yesterday when I announced it, and it's just fine.
		I get all this email.
		Again, folks, I can't, I'm sorry, I cannot respond to it, but I can certainly read it and get a sense.
		And this is very helpful to me.
		You get a sense of what you like and don't like.
		So please do send me your email at Hilly at Hillerose.com.
		All right, Hilly, get off the air here, and let's see what people want to talk about.
		We'll do that right up through the top of the hour, and then we'll go to the Wiccans and find out about witchcraft and what the Army is doing about it and so much more.
unidentified		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		After these messages.
		This is Hillary Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Across Wisconsin.
unidentified		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		Jessica.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Jessica.
		Go ahead, Jessica.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, I am?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		Let me go over my radio.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very good.
unidentified		Shut it off.
		Okay.
		Hi, Hilly.
		How are you doing?
		I am.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm feeling great tonight.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Can't you tell?
unidentified		I can tell.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Just I'm emanating good vibes everywhere.
unidentified		I know, I feel it.
		Good.
		I'm glad to hear that.
		I was a little down before, and then just right when you answered, I felt it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's this surge, right?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It's just like what Art Bell says, that's collective prayer.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Anyway, on the Wiccans, they are not satanic people.
		I know a lot of Wiccan people.
		And they do worship different goddesses and things like that.
		But it's only what it's meant by is honoring Gara, the earth.
		They don't do rituals or anything like that.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure they do.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		They do all kinds of rituals.
unidentified		Well, I mean, good rituals.
		But also, there are a few that do have revenge.
		They will do bad ones.
		But the ones that I know, I'm not a Wiccan myself.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Those are the bad Wiccans, right?
unidentified		No, I know the good ones.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		The ones who do revenge, those are the bad Wiccans.
unidentified		Yeah, well, negative, yeah.
		Right.
		But they're only to honor the earth because God is in everything, trees and things like that, and they do have their little rituals.
		And another question I'd like to ask, I was listening last night, I tried to get in, with Dave Calbert, I think it was.
		Yeah, and John, because I didn't get the phone number of the book of When Worlds Collide.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we didn't give a phone number because neither one of them wrote the book.
unidentified		Yeah, he did give the phone number because it's too fast.
		So I called another line, an 809 line.
		He said he didn't know, but he would try and look for it for me.
		And he couldn't find it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Did you try Amazon.com?
unidentified		I don't have a computer.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		Well, if I can find the number, I'll give it out on the air, but I just honestly I don't have it in front of me here.
		Okay.
		Normally when I finish a show, I just get rid of all this stuff into a file.
		That's about the size of it.
unidentified		And you're in Kansas City now, right?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		That was the guy Friday night.
		No, no, I'm in Kansas.
unidentified		Oh, you're in Oregon.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Okay, that's all the time we've got there.
		I'm sorry.
		We will do our phone calls unimpeded into the next hour, so you stick with me.
		I am Hilly Rose.
unidentified		You're listening to coast to coast a.m. with Hilly Rose.
		To talk with Hilly from west of the Rockies, file 1-800-618-8255.
		That's 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		Now, filling in for Art Bell, Billy Rhodes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And just a couple other quick numbers before I pick up the calls.
		One is the fax number.
		We do read the faxes during the program.
		That's 541-664-8261.
		The emails may take a day or two, but I certainly do read them.
		And once again, we have a new email.
		It's hilly at hillyrose.com.
		And that should take care of all of that.
		Oh, I should mention to you also, when we were talking about, Lady asked me if I was in Kansas City.
		No, that was Mike Murphy who was in Kansas City.
		And we're all over the place.
		Art's in Perunph, and I'm in Medford, and he's in Kansas City.
		And hey, you know, anywhere, anywhere in America, we're there.
		One last thing.
		People are always trying to find books that are sort of out of print.
		And I have a recollection that there is a store in Portland, Oregon called Powell's Books.
		If I'm wrong about that, somebody will correct me, I'm sure.
		And they make a specialty out of finding books that are hard to find, out of print, rare books, all kinds of things.
		I'm pretty sure it's Powell's, and I'm pretty sure it's Portland.
		But if it ain't, somebody will call and tell me so.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Hey, Hilly, it's Greg in Alcohol, California.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Alcohol.
unidentified		How are you?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I am very well tonight.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Told you I'm sending out good vibes.
unidentified		Yeah, you are.
		Hey, a couple things for you, Hilly.
		Okay.
		I think it was maybe about a week or a week and a half ago.
		You had a lady on, I guess, that was from an interesting story.
		I think she said she was a mayor of a town in Utah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she is, Taylorsville.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And she, I guess, they were having some problems, I guess, with some sewage being sprayed on homes.
		Did they ever get to the bottom of that?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, what she said is, if you heard the show, you may remember, when they offered a $2,500 reward for the perpetrators, it suddenly ceased.
unidentified		Really?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That would suggest that it was not airplanes.
		Or maybe the airplanes have, quote, cleaned up their act and somebody spotted them.
		$2,500, and I'm sure they would prosecute to get that money back.
		The direct answer to your question is no, they never found out where it was.
		It was an amazing story because it wasn't simple.
		You couldn't load eight houses with human feces just from a little spray hose.
		And that's basically what happened here.
		So yeah, it stopped, and they would just love to prosecute whoever did it because the cleanup costs were horrendous.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
		And one last thing.
		I know you were talking about Joyce Riley, and she was the individual, I take it, that is doing the investigation in the military about the anthrax vaccine.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, on behalf of the American Gulf War veterans.
unidentified		Right.
		And I'm really glad that somebody is adamantly researching this because, you know, the human guinea pig factor with our military people in my mind has been going on far too long.
		And I know she had mentioned on I didn't hear the last show she was on, but the show before that I did, and the fact that, you know, basically they're not making them take the vaccine, but their careers are ruined, of course, if they don't.
		And it's about that.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute.
		Yes, they are making them take it.
		I thought she had said that, just what I said a little while ago, what's going on at 29 Pounds right now.
		The judges ruled that it's a legal order, and so they're not prosecuting them for not taking the vaccine.
		They're prosecuting them for not following a legal order.
		It's a fine line of difference there.
unidentified		Okay, I didn't hear when you mentioned that on the top of the eye.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that clarifies.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Good enough?
unidentified		Very good, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Greg.
unidentified		Thank you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Your first name?
unidentified		This is Matt.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Matt, go ahead.
unidentified		Hey, Ellie, what's this we're hearing down here in Austin that your town up there is declaring martial law or trying to?
		What town?
		Medford, Oregon.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is declaring martial law?
unidentified		That's what we read over there on our radio station locally here just about an hour and a half ago.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'd say it must be Medford somewhere else because...
		I have heard nothing about it.
		I've been here for a few days.
		My engineer is a native here to Medford.
unidentified		Anything in the newspaper?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No?
		Nothing in the middle.
unidentified		They quoted the Medford Paper.
unidentified		That's interesting.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's the name of the Medford Paper?
unidentified		I didn't really catch it.
unidentified		It just said Medford Gazette or Tribune or something like that.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's the Male Tribune is the name of it.
unidentified		Yeah, that's the one they said.
unidentified		That's an Oregon.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey, man, you know, anything's possible in this world, but we have heard nothing about it, man.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Why would they declare martial law for what reason?
unidentified		That's what I was trying to figure out.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		You're trying to find out from Texas.
		I don't know anything about it right here.
		So hey, Matt, if I find anything out about it, I'll tell you, but I think it's a rumor, okay?
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All righty.
unidentified		Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Charleston, South Carolina.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Charleston.
		Go ahead.
		What's your first name?
unidentified		This is Mike.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mike.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Cool.
		I thought I want to give you two theories that I have.
		Well, one of them is a theory of my friends.
		My theory is that about aliens, what they are, and all the alien spacecraft and everything, and actually there's probably that stuff out in Nevada, too, is that I think it's just our U.S. government building these spaceships, and it's just our U.S. government people in costumes or spaceships or whatever doing it all, and they have an excuse to do whatever experiments and everything and just say it's aliens, or actually not say it's aliens, but cover it up and...
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, just anything with people being abducted from their homes, and they could have some kind of license to do anything they want to do under the guise of the alien city.
unidentified		Exactly.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That theory is as good as any other, Mike.
unidentified		And well, my friend's theory is that because we're talking about aliens and stuff, because I'm trying to work on the show, because I listen to it all the time.
		I deliver pizzas, and I listen to it late at night.
		But his theory is that aliens are evolved humans in the future, and they're time travelers coming back in time.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people believe that.
unidentified		Yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, what we don't have, well, I won't say we don't have proof.
		There is so much proof out there, Mike.
		It's a matter of where you yourself are coming from.
		What you yourself are willing to believe.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I don't disbelieve or believe.
		I don't know.
		I think it's all theories.
		I'll listen to what anybody has to say.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, when somebody orders a pizza and you deliver it and it turns out to be a Martian, then you'll believe, right?
unidentified		That's right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the comment.
unidentified		Okay, thanks.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Calling from the Bay Area, California.
unidentified		I'm listening to KSFO.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		Name is Joan, and I'd like to say I'm very concerned about the Marines going in as peacekeepers to ladle soup, et cetera, in Kosovo, because I'm afraid they may not come out.
		Or if they do come out, there may be major massacres among them.
		And I think we're in a very, very dangerous situation.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, just today the Germans, of all people, shot up some of the Yugoslavians.
		And because they pointed their guns at them, it wouldn't put them down.
		So, of course, the Germans, as always, don't take no truck out there.
		No second chance is ram.
		Just shot them dead.
unidentified		Well, you know, there's 20 million Russian reserve military to our 1.5 reserve military.
unidentified		So we're outnumbered if the Russians do decide to get in a cuss hold with us.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they're so weak from not getting any food that we can't get over.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		Anyway, it seems to me that it's a very volatile situation.
		And it may be the way that they actually got the ground war started.
		This may be an excuse.
		I mean, these foot-ladling ideas may actually be an excuse for starting a ground war.
		So it seems highly possible that we may be in a major conflict quite soon.
		I'm concerned about that.
		I'm also concerned about rumors I hear that this may be in order to actually decimate our military that we've gone in.
		In other words, we've already disbanded our military over what it was.
		And in this war, we've destroyed many of our missiles that we haven't replaced.
		This may be a way to destroy our ground forces so that we need a one-world UN Army because the United States military is now weakened.
		There may be a plan to this project that they've got going.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, John.
unidentified		Can I ask you a question?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		One second.
		I just wanted to say to you in response that your theories are just as valid as anybody else's.
		What we're doing there is a deep mystery to me.
		And certainly the President has not yet explained it as far as I'm concerned.
		And I wouldn't worry about our military prowess because, after all, we have such fearless leaders as the President and Madeline Albright and so forth.
unidentified		Well, can I ask you a question along that line?
unidentified		The question is: what do Madeline Albright, James Wolsey, the President, Alan Greenstein, Robert Rubin, and Colin Powell, and former Admiral William Crowe, and Casper Weinberger, and Robert McFarlane, and William Casey.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And you're making it much too easy.
unidentified		Okay, and John McCain and Bush.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		They're all part of that same group, aren't they?
		What group?
		I'm blocking the name right now.
unidentified		They are listed in the directory, in the annual report.
unidentified		They are listed as members in the annual report, except John McCain is a nominee to the director of Foreign Relations.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hey, this is Hilly Rose.
		You're here on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		This is Ira, and I'm calling from Waterloo, New York.
unidentified		That's an upstate New York.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		I've been up there.
		You're going to have to talk right into the phone, Ora, so everybody can hear you.
unidentified		Two things.
		First of all, when you talk to those Wiccans fellas, if you're not aware of it, there's an organization, or at least there was, called a Free Earth Battalion in the United States Army.
		Did you ever hear that?
		You ought to ring their chimes with that one.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is it?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Tell me what it is.
unidentified		It's a battalion that all the members of it participate in this Wiccans thing.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You mean it's you're talking about in the Army, is that right?
unidentified		United States Army.
unidentified		And their hope of loyalty is more consistent with what the WAF NSS took than what most American soldiers take.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I don't want to argue this now in this portion of the program, but I will say to you that there are something like seven different places, especially Fort Hood, where the Army has given the Wiccans free rein in terms of holding their practices.
		And every one of the Army bases takes a different name.
		In other words, the free, what did you say, free work battalion?
		Yeah, well, that's at some base you know of, and then there are other bases that call it something else.
unidentified		May I mention one other thing?
		Sure.
		Talking about exotic books, about 30 years ago, or a little more, I started reading into what we'll call Underground Press, or what some people might refer to as a cult.
		The first book I read was The Morning of the Magicians, also printed under Dawn of Magic.
		It was written by two French nuclear physicists.
		And that book totally opened my mind.
		Morning of the Magicians.
		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I thank you for that.
		Bye-bye.
		Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Well, hello?
		Yeah.
		Yes.
		Is this the radio show?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		This is Hilly, and this is the radio show, and millions of people are waiting for your Harvard Wisdom here, my friend.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We'll call it Medford, Oregon.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Here in Medford?
unidentified		Yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, do you know anything about this?
unidentified		Well, I don't know anything about actually that they've implemented it, but they have right here, in fact, the Emergency Powers Declaration that they're trying to put in.
		Oh, well, that's right.
		That's part of the last I heard.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Every city has that.
unidentified		Oh, well, this is basically a list of things that they can go ahead and do.
unidentified		They're not allowed to do anything, basically.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've forgotten what they call that again, so something 21?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's the title of that?
unidentified		It's just ordinances, Section 1, Chapter 12.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		There's a whole thing here about ecology and how they're going to change everything.
		Oh, yeah.
		Martial law is going to be imposed.
unidentified		Well, it is martial law.
		No firearms are allowed.
		Only five gallons of gas every three days.
		You can't go anywhere.
		All roads are subject to closure.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Under what?
		Who decides that?
		The governor?
unidentified		City manager.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		City manager.
unidentified		Here.
		It was, of course, not elected or anything else.
		And now it's a real bum deal.
		Instead of saying everybody get together and try to help each other out and try to set up things where they go to your church or go someplace and be food and water supplies and things like that, they're just saying that they're going to basically be hired goons to go ahead and implement this thing because there's not going to be enough deputies or anything else to do.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is this in today's Mail Tribune?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is I read what?
unidentified		I don't get the paper.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I read it today and I didn't see anything in it.
unidentified		It might have been a couple days back.
unidentified		They took it off the agenda back in April because they had to tinker with it a little bit, they said.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I would think.
unidentified		And then they were going to try to slip it back in there again.
unidentified		So I don't know if they have or not, but this is the gist of what they had before that they were working on.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I thought this was this thing that almost every city has where by the year 2000, 2001, so I think they'd call it 21, you have to cut down on your total gas emissions by 50%.
		And it's so stringent that nobody could possibly live under it.
		And therefore, if we don't, then they impose martial law.
unidentified		No, this is basically just splat-out emergency powers, period.
		And I'm sure what would happen next, of course, is that they would go ahead and say, well, we're worried that it will happen.
		So in December, we're implementing it as a precaution.
		It'll be the next thing, you know.
		And so it'll just go from there.
		I also just wanted to ask real quickly, I just heard something on our little Medford news station here, something about Korea and that they've been having gunboat fights and stuff.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I heard it on my way in, too.
		Actually, I heard it on the network news.
		Yeah, what happened is that the North Koreans, who are getting desperate and therefore very dangerous, are fishing in waters that South Korea claims as theirs.
		And as I pointed out earlier, these guys don't float around.
		They don't just wave a flag and say, like we do.
		Well, we'll give you three weeks to get out of there.
		What they do is they just blow them out of the water, and that's what apparently happened here.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah, it says something about a submarine being caught up or something.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, it wasn't the fishing boat that they blew up.
		It was the submarine, because the submarine was sent out there to protect the fishing boat.
		And, you know, people don't realize how dangerous this whole situation is.
		We're worried about the Kosovars over there, but we've got, what, a quarter of a million Americans on that border?
		Or 350.
		I've forgotten the exact number, but it's a hell of a lot.
		And they're subject to being attacked at any moment, at any time, by the North Koreans.
unidentified		And now we don't have enough people to go ahead, they've said it outright, and fight basically a two-front war.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got troops, so we've got the Navy, actually, over in Iraq.
		And, you know, we're spread out All over the place, and one of these days one of these guys is going to say, hey, you know, they're really vulnerable, which, of course, we are.
		And we've used up all of our ammunition in Kosovo, all of our stingers, and all of these various items that cost a million dollars a pop.
		There's nothing new in the pipeline.
		We're not producing goods fast enough.
		So it's a very, very dangerous situation.
unidentified		Very, definitely, yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I think you're going to call it.
unidentified		I'll ask real quick, though.
		Very quick statement.
		Everybody's worried about YTK, all this other stuff.
		People are thinking about going out and getting guns, whatever.
		Go down to the pound and get a good dog.
		You know, they need to adopt them anyway.
		There's some nice, medium-sized dogs there.
		They've already grown up and they know how to sit and stay and everything else.
		Like a rat water.
		Like a dog.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Like a rat water?
unidentified		Hey, a Labrador.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Or a chow?
unidentified		You know, and he's basically there's an awful lot of mixed breeds down there that are very good.
unidentified		I've got a golden retriever St. Bernard mixed with me right now, and he's great.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Good.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And then you take him out on walks and things?
unidentified		Oh, he goes out with me, who waits in stores for me, everything else, yeah?
		And I got him from the pound.
		He's a wonderful dog.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're in Medford and on my way home tonight.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm avoiding you, okay?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, he's happy, by the way.
		So are we all here, I hope.
		Yeah, I hope.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hi, this is Hillary Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		North Carolina.
		Yes, sir.
		What's your first name?
		My name is Brian.
		I have one question.
		I live here in Jacksonville, North Carolina, which has the biggest amphibious base on the East Coast.
		And so one of my first thoughts would be that one of the Wiccans, is that the correct way of pronouncing it?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		That one of those would be here.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You mean one of the bases or one of the witches or what?
unidentified		One of the groups.
unidentified		I don't know.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		One of the Wiccans?
unidentified		One of the Wiccans groups?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could be.
unidentified		Would you haven't I mean would you know?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well I'm just quickly trying to look at my pages here.
		By the way, to the gentleman earlier who talked about the Free Earth Battalion at Fort Hood is called the Open Circle.
		And let's see here.
		I'll find it in a second.
		I don't recall that there is anyone in that particular area short of Fort Hood.
		Oh, here we go.
		Fort Polk in Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, and Fort Barroncas in Florida.
		So, and there's a high priestess that's just been approved in Germany, and another has applied for Kosovo.
		So those are the only areas, and why would you think that a Wiccan, because these Wiccans, as I understand it, don't cast spells.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, I mean, to be honest with you, I am a hardcore Southern Baptist, and this is a predominantly Southern Baptist area.
		But like I was saying, this is the biggest amphibious base on the East Coast, if not in the whole country, that there would, I mean, the diversity of religion in this town is so diverse, I didn't know that if there was one here or not.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if there's one.
		But I understand it, in this one group, Covenant of the Goddess, there are 50,000 Wiccans across America.
		Now, there are probably other groups as well.
		And so, you know, I'm sure there probably is.
		Are you looking to find one?
		Are you looking to find it?
unidentified		Well, I just didn't know.
		I mean, it's kind of curious.
		I guess it's curiosity peaking in my mind to know that because this town that I live in, it's a growing community.
		It's not a very big one.
		In fact, it's under a million in population size, but yet it's, I mean, we thrive off of the base, to be honest with you.
		That's where all of our business comes from.
		That's where all of our industry comes from.
		That's where everything comes from that we do have in this county.
		And I'm just wondering if that exists here.
		It's almost like it's still the morality base in this community still exists, but yet I don't want to say that that group is not moral by any sense.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Let's find out more about them in the next hour before we start.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I'm not trying to judge them by any means.
unidentified		I just didn't know, like, if that I know this community is diverse, but I didn't know if it was.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		The answer to your question, Brian, is probably because they're everywhere.
unidentified		Okay, thanks for the sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		This is Hilly Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Birmingham, Alabama.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		Angela.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Angela.
unidentified		Go ahead.
unidentified		Can I extinguish my radio?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I don't extinguish it, just turn it down.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And talk into your phone.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		You had a lady call, and I think she was asking you about David Talbert's phone number.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she did.
unidentified		Okay, well, I have it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's 1-800-what?
unidentified		230-9347.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		9-347.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		1-800-230-9347.
unidentified		Right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're a kind and gentle person, Angela, for letting me know.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I have a question.
		I had sent you a fax April 21st regarding a potential guest, Glenda Green.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You sent it to me or to Art?
unidentified		I sent it to you.
unidentified		I faxed it at 888-226-4430.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, our fax numbers don't have 8s on them.
		I don't know where you sent it.
		Our fax number here is 541-664-8261.
		That's the area code, 664-8261.
unidentified		8261.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And I'll be very glad to look at it.
unidentified		Okay, since you mentioned you were having a guest along the lines of Glenn Kimball, she also has a lot to say about Jesus.
		She was a painter, and she was commissioned to do a portrait of Jesus, and he actually appeared to her during the course of the painting and also began to have conversations with her.
		And she has since transcribed that into a book.
		And I have heard her speak many times.
		She's been in contact with Dr. Hal Puttoff, the University of Texas Physics Department.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Right, I certainly am.
unidentified		Yes, because he acquired information about the creation of the universe that she could.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, Angela, please.
		I'm out of time, Answer.
		Send me the facts of the number I gave you, and I certainly will evaluate them.
unidentified		I thank you very much.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, I get more suggestions from folks, and I do act on those that I can't.
		Just because it suggests somebody doesn't mean that I'm going to rush them on a major program like this.
		However, I certainly do evaluate everything in church.
		All of your emails and your thoughts.
		That's it for this hour.
		We'll get to the Wiccans of the next hour, right here.
		Ellie Rose in for Art Bell.
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		Look like an angel, walk like an angel, talk like an angel, but I got one.
		You the devil in the sky.
		Oh, yes, you are the devil in the sky.
		You fool me with your kisses.
		You cheated and you sing.
		Every time you lie to me, you liked the way you sing.
		You look like an angel.
		Walk like an angel.
		Talk like an angel.
		But I don't want you to start.
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hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Wishing you a kind and gentle night.
		We have a little bit of business left over in the last hour, and that is, I'm reading directly here from a news report, the South Korean military ships sank a North Korean torpedo boat and badly damaged a second during a 10-minute firefight in disputed waters off the west coast of the Korean Peninsula.
		So I just wanted to set the record straight on that.
		That is specifically what did occur.
		And in this portion of the program, well, before I even do that, well, we're going to talk about the Wiccans, I'll tell you that.
		I want to mention to you that I have a new email address, which is going to be a lot easier to remember.
		It's Hilly with a Y, H-I-L-L-Y at HillyRose.com.
		And I want to thank Keith Rowland to the Heart Bell newsletter for, not newsletter, I'm sorry, the Heartbell webpage.
		I'm saying about the newsletter because there's a new one coming out.
		But Keith Rowland runs that wonderful webpage of arts, which really brings you up to date on just about everything.
		It has links to just about everything.
		And I want to mention once again that I will be on the X Zone show, which emanates in Canada off of CKTB and dominates New York, Pennsylvania, and a lot of other places.
		What's the Real Hilly Rose about?
		Well, we'll find out.
		I don't know whether I know myself.
		Can't wait to hear what questions they're going to ask me.
unidentified		Anything else we need to talk about?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Tables open.
		Oh, okay.
		In that case, let's talk about the Wiccans.
		Wiccans are witches.
		What's a witch?
		We'll find that out in just a little bit.
		The reason that it even held my attention is because of the controversy that has come up as the Army has approved the Fort Hood Open Circle as its first official Wiccan group.
		That was two summers ago, by the way.
		And Fort Hood has given them a grassy campsite for their sacred grounds, sanctioned their choice of high priestess, even lent them an Army chaplain for moral support.
		This now has spread beyond Fort Hood.
		It's now in Fort Polk, Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, Fort Barrancas in Florida.
		A high priestess was just approved in Germany, and another has applied on the Kosovo mission.
		If you don't know, I've got a couple of faxes here saying, oh, Brewer, hell, brewer, you know, we're going to talk about Wiccans.
		Do you realize, well you wouldn't or you wouldn't say what you're saying, that there is a resurgence of interest in witchcraft, particularly amongst teenage girls.
		In a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, the top 60 interests of teenage girls, witches are number one.
		It's the fastest growing spiritual practice in the United States.
		It should say something to you, friends.
		It should say, if you don't know what the Wiccans are all about, you better.
		With the interest today and what's going on with the youth of America, and if that's the fastest growing interest of teenage girls, well, I think we better spend some time on it and see what's going on.
		By the way, men make up about 30% of the membership, so it's not just girls.
		Lots to learn tonight that there are some 50,000 Wiccans across America.
		That's a lot.
		That's a lot.
		It's a sub-religion, according to the military, along with the Jews and the Muhammad.
		That's not the word I was looking for, the Muslims.
		So there's a lot to be learned, and a lot's going on right under your nose that you may not know anything about.
		Before the evening is over, you may want to become a witch yourself, or you may not want to become a witch.
		Witch is your choice.
		So we will be talking in just a moment to the Reverend or Lady Amber Maeve, High Priestess of the Grove of the Winged Scarab, the Covenant of the Goddess, right after these words.
unidentified		Thank you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Billy Rose here for Art Bell, and it is my pleasure to welcome to the program Lady Ambermaeve Shymansky, High Priest Cisco of the Winged Scarab.
		When I talked with you earlier, you said you were Lady Ambermaid.
		Which is the proper designation, Lady or Reverend?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it makes it sound very, very proper and very, very British, which is where it comes from, and it's the Reverend Lady.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Amber Shymansky.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Reverend and Lady?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's written out as the Reverend Lady.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Reverend Lady.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Then it goes into the actual name of the person.
		It's a title in some way similar to Mother Superior.
		Head of a nursing dorm, things like that.
		Where Mama.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I have.
		Help me out here.
		I don't want to have to keep saying.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Please call me Amber.
unidentified		Okay.
		That sounds very good, doesn't it, Amber?
		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's not have any who do stuff.
		I'm not going to spend the whole evening on this, believe me, Amber, but I would like to find out, or at least just get it out in the open and get it behind us, and then let's get on with what Wiccans are all about.
		But Congressman Robert Barr wrote to the general at Fort Hood saying, quote, what's next?
		Will armored divisions be forced to travel with sacrificial animals for satanic rituals?
		Will raciferians demand the inclusion of ritualistic marijuana cigarettes in their rations?
		I understand he had a town meeting and you went down there and told him what for, is that right?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		I am unfortunately one of his constituents.
		He is supposedly my representative and he sure isn't doing it.
		And I wanted him to know that there are true witches out there.
		We are not the Hollywood stand.
		We don't have green faces, hoody nose, black spray hair.
		We are very serious about this.
		It is our Religion.
		It is not a toy for us.
		It's not something that we do once a week, once a month, only during the full moon.
		This is something you live with 365 days a year, 24 hours a day.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It is a living well, we lost the Reverend Lady Amber May.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		And I accidentally unplugged.
		Apparently my phone can't fly.
		That's just quite as fast as I can.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you're back on the air.
		Okay.
		You were saying, and I'm sorry, I want to pick up the train of thought, that this is something.
		Can we call it a religion?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Almost certainly, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Therefore, it is a religion that you live 365 days a year and on leap year 366.
		Yeah.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes it feels like more.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You should.
		But this is what you said to Congressman Barr.
		And what was his response?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		He had no response, sir.
		He has yet to respond to it.
		He has yet to respond to my request for an appointment with him.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought you went down to the town meeting.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I was at the town meeting.
		It was the only way I could get near him.
		As a constituent, I have the right to schedule an appointment and meet with my representative, I believed.
		But I certainly haven't heard a word.
		I am still going to pursue it, though.
		We don't want to be strident.
		We do not want to be seen as attacking anyone else's religion.
		We do not proselytize.
		It means we don't go out, stand those three corners.
		We do not hand out literature.
		We don't go, come, little kitty, let me show you all this neat power I can give you.
unidentified		No, no, no.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		There is not a grove or covenant that I am aware of that will accept a child under 18.
		Most of them are 21, but I think that I know one that's 18.
		Without the written permission of both parents, custodial or not, and without discussing the religion, the teachings that the child will be learning with the custodial parents, both of it together.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Before we get into all of that, help me out here just a little bit.
		You are absolutely correct, Amber.
		My idea of a witch is the wicked witch of the West or the Wicked Witch of the East from Gurothy and Oz.
		We're wearing pointy black hats and big broad brims, and the bad ones melt down or good ones stay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Will you be disappointed?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not disappointed.
		I'm just saying, like most Americans, that is my idea of a witch.
		So my question to you is, why are you called witches?
		What does the word witch mean?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The original word, as far as we can trace it linguistically, there is some dispute on this, comes from an Anglo-Saxon word which means wise one.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		This was applied wi-chi, a wick-key, to men, and wit-ka to women.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Are you using the word chi as we all use that word?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Wiki.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		W-I-C-C-E-E.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, I see.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It's the suffix of wit.
		It meant my wise man, a wise woman.
		This was your priest or priestess of the village, your healer, your divener, the one who called in your animals, etc.
		And we had people who died for this name.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about centuries past?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Centuries past and coming up.
		I haven't gotten a report of a death within a quote-unquote civilized country.
		I don't believe in about the past ten years or so.
		However, multiple people every day lose their jobs as soon as it's found out that they're a witch.
unidentified		Ooh.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So what really is being said is if they are a witch, they are a wise person?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That is what it means.
		That is how we use it.
		There is one other New Age religion that uses the word witch that we are very, very, very much opposed to, and we might as well get this out of the way behind us, boo.
		And it's called the Church of Satan, already first simple of set.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is that Anton LeVey's church?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That's Anton de Vey and Achino, Michael Aquino, who happens to be in the military and a lieutenant colonel, which I think Mr. Boss should be cognizant of.
		They use the word witch for any female practitioner.
		This is incorrect usage just as most of their other practices are.
		They are a reverse Christianity.
		They are out to degrade and defame anything that is held only predominantly by Christians, but innately by everyone who truly shares the spiritual belief.
		Because when you degrade or defile another's religious items, you have defile your own as well.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And take away with Silver.
		This thought just occurred to me.
		It isn't relevant to anything, I'm sure.
		But we all know that Odolf Hitler persecuted gays and people, gypsies, as long as the Jews.
		What about the Wiccans?
		Did he have anything against the Wiccans?
		Did they suffer under Nazi Germany?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We didn't use the name then, but yes, there were some of us that did die in the camp.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Just because you were Wiccans?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Just because we were different.
		We did not bow to the same gods.
		We did not live the same way.
		We don't have proof during that period of time by name exactly who of us was there because we were so far underground then it would be hard to find us.
		We started coming out of our little snug little broom closet with Gerald Gardner and that was back in the 50s in England, 64th over here.
		It's not been long since we have been.
		If you'd admitted you were rich before 1960, you might have been back of Martin Luther King.
unidentified		You would have been put way in the back of the bus or dragged by it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		But witchcraft, as I understand it, is a pre-Judeo-Christian religion.
unidentified		It is.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		But does it go back to the Druids?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		How far back does it go?
		Well, the Druids, it goes back at least as far as the Druids, we believe at least a portion of it.
		Realize because of how we had to duck and cover, it's difficult to keep any proof, tangible physical proof.
		Most of what we have is reconstruction using the pictographs that we find buried in the caves, comparing them with paintings that we know come from Aboriginal peoples that we have some idea about, and bringing it up through the sociology anthropology side.
		This is not considered proof per se by everyone, but it's more proof than some of us have or need because we know.
		Now, I know how that sounds.
		But it's the same thing as asking a Christian, how do you know that Jesus Christ lived?
		I know.
		It's the same sort of thing.
		It's a belief.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Why do you believe, because we're coming down to the end of this half hour and then we come on the other side, I want to get a full description of what Wiccans believe in and what their existence is all about.
		What is their belief and why people sort of look askance at it.
		I realize those who are Christians say, well, you're not Christian, so obviously you're wrong.
		Jews say, well, you're not Jewish, so therefore you're wrong.
		Muslims say you're not Muslim, so you're wrong.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You can't win politics.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You can't win at all.
		Why, and I'm sure you have an answer to this.
		You heard me say earlier that in a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, witches are number one.
		Now, we're not confusing this with the Goths now.
		The Goths are something else in time.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Completely.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Fully incompletely.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		The new age is coming to its own.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That's why this Heartbell program is so big in this country.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is such a blessing here in Atlanta.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And I'm telling you, you know, so I understand it, but why do you believe that now suddenly it is really taking off, particularly amongst women or girls?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You know, why this religion now at this time, and it's been around for, you know, ages and ages and ages.
unidentified		Why now?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It has never been in a place where it could truly empower women before.
		Now it is.
		This is a matriarchal metrofocal religion.
		We have men.
		My working partner is also my husband and best friend and the person who's decided to keep me up tonight.
		But I am the one that initially, ultimately, must make the final decisions and accept the final responsibility for myself and my grove.
		Each person, of course, accepts their own responsibility, but the female carries the double responsibility for both herself and for what she has accepted as her offspring, be that of her body or be that of her will.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so your husband is also a Wiccan, is that right?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's also a witch.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to ask you that question.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is a male a witch and a female is a witch?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a witch is a witch no matter which.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but that's because it means wise one, and so both of you can be wise.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And he is quite wise.
		The one that you hear most commonly given to men, warlock, is one of the most heinous insults you can give to a human.
		It is the equivalent of being excommunicate from the Catholic Church by someone in the Jewish days to sit cheva on you when you're still alive.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I think I've got the message.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're often not nice people.
		They're literally oath breakers.
		But it goes a little deeper most times that the oath has to be very bad for you to really want to put somebody that far away from you that they just do not even exist.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the direct answer to the question then as we come down to the end of this half hour is that women are going into this religion because it empowers them as women.
unidentified		Exactly.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I got the message.
		Now coming back, we will talk about what that really means to empower a woman.
		So you stay there, please.
		And pardon me, making a cough there.
		You see, you gave me a bad vibe.
		We will continue here our discussions with the Reverend Lady Amber Maid Shymansky and find out a lot more about this strange, well, strange to most of us, not strange to them, this strange religion which is growing rapidly and in the military particularly.
		So you stay right where you are.
		I will stay where I am.
		And the Reverend Lady Amber Mae will stay where she is.
		We will continue right here on the Art Bell program.
unidentified		I am Hilly Rose on Coast to Coast, A.M. You know that this is the
		Love potion number nine.
		I told her that I was a pop with chick.
		I've been up with since 1956.
		She looked at her arm.
		She made her madeline.
		She said it was to me.
		Love potion number nine.
		This is post at 1 a.m. with special guest host, Hilly Rose, on the Premier Radio Networks.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Kidding in for Art Bell, of course.
		Art will be back with you tomorrow night.
		I just want to mention that I have a new email.
		I think I may have it mentioned already.
		It's Hilly at HillyRose.com, and our fax number is 541-664-8261.
		Firms have been ringing off the hook just since we have been on the air with this program, and I will tell everybody that we will not, not get to phone calls in this half hour.
		We'll get to phone calls in the next hour.
		So, of course, once you've got a line, you'll never get back in.
		I do realize that, so you're just going to have to let it ring and put the phone down, and eventually we will get to you.
		We are talking about Wiccans.
		There's a lot to be said about what the Wiccans are doing and the fact that they in effect have come out of the closet and might be an example for a lot of other type folks who might want to come out of the closet.
		So we'll talk more about that with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shemansky right after this.
unidentified		Bell sound
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Furrows here, continuing our conversation with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, who is High Priestess, Grove of the Wings, Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Amber, does that make you a pretty high poobah in the movement like the Pope is in the Catholic Church?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, just a little bitty tiny fish in a relatively big pond.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, High Priestess sounds like big stuff here.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		A High Priestess is one who has her and is managing her own grove.
		That means keeping it running, making sure that the monthly rituals are done.
		We worship each new moon and the initiates worship each full moon within our tradition.
		Then I have classes that I'm currently on sabbatical until the 18th of July that I teach every week for seekers, those who aren't real sure what's out there, but they're curious and they want to know what it's about.
		And that way we can let them hear what we are, understand what we are, without them having to make a commitment of joining or anything.
		Then we have our neophyte class, which is the class that you go into after the seeker class.
		And then up the hill away as you get your initiate classes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and Covenant of the Goddess is the overall?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It is.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Covenant of the Goddess is an international organization of very independent Wiccans and Witches.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I just wanted to understand what all this relates to.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I am their Public Information Officer.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I have one other question before we get back to empowerment.
		And that is, help me out here.
		I, along with millions of other Americans, watch Saturday Night Live, and we see them spooking the Goths.
		Separate yourself here from the Goths.
		Who are the Goths, and how do they differ from the Wiccans?
		Because they also have sort of secret kind of stuff, and they wear dark clothing.
		I just don't explain it to me.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish I had explained it to you thoroughly, because I don't understand it thoroughly.
		But to my best understanding, essentially Anne Rice gone one step further.
		Vampire mystique, the very pale, the very nihilistic, red stark lip makeup, both male and female, dark eye makeup, both male and female, usually long hair, usually dark, either wearing renaissance clothing and usually affecting a pointy ring if I got the money because those things are expensive.
		They basically are more the vampires and thought and the fact that I'm not really going to die but everybody else around me is.
		I'll just sit back here and watch it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Of course we all know how that related to Columbine and so forth.
		Let's move along here because there's so much to cover.
		Well it just is to understand it all.
		Now we were talking about the fact that the Wiccans part of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, which is our number one.
		You say it's because it's empowering.
		Let's talk about this empowerment.
		What does that mean?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Most women have been taught that they must be supported by someone else.
		That they are innately dumber, less capable of organizing, less able to make their own choices than unfortunately the other part of our genders.
		Men, on the other hand, have been taught they must be overpowering, dominating in order to show off their amen egos.
		We have a more balanced attitude within the work.
		The women are expected to be strong.
		The women are expected to be able to stand on their own two feet.
		It doesn't mean our men go away and hide.
		They stand back there and wait for us to say, excuse me, would you believe I'll be a sluggist dude?
		Women are allowed to be strong.
		We are allowed to run our own businesses.
unidentified		We are allowed to run our own lives.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We are not the handmaiden to anybody.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We just get hard-hearted and we get, according to my husband, they're getting more and more of us in the Society for Difficult Women.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you have to join the Wiccans for that?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Can't you just join the Women's Movement?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Actually, my husband is an initiate.
		He really impressed the lady one night, our queen mom, our queen mother.
		And she decided that he and my high priestess, the lady Galadriel's husband, should be members.
		And so there are two members in the Society for Difficult Women.
		Two honorary members, I've just been told.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I'm trying to, I asked you a direct question for empowerment, couldn't you just join the women's movement?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Sure, you could.
		But it doesn't give you another strength to draw upon.
		The only strength that the Christian culture allows women to focus on that really gives them the sense of their womanhood is a very, very biased idea of Mary.
		And if you notice how frequently she's beginning to show up, guys.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, show up in what way?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We're having Marian visions show up all over the world.
		Conyers.
		Mary pops up.
		What I believe people are seeing is not is energy, it's the female energy that tries to nurture.
		It tries to teach mankind to be kind.
		And the only way that our culture can readily accept this loving energy is to see it in the form of a woman.
		And Mary is the only acceptable woman.
		And that's what the majority of this country is based on.
		You'll notice in the Latino countries, it is a stronger vision, it calls more people.
		You will find the same sort of vision and experience they're having in Conyers would not be as intense as you go northern.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You keep mentioning Conjures.
		Yeah, I understood that, but that's where the shooting was, where the youngster shot six of them.
		Oh.
		What is this vision though?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I have not heard of it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		There has been, up until two months ago, I believe, on the 13th of every month, a vision of Mary shows up.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		In Conyers?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		In Conyers, at a lady's house.
		There is an energy flow there.
		There is nothing to be denied on that.
		What it is, I don't know.
		I know it is something that feels to me very real.
		That is a subjective thing.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Let me move along here to something else, if I can.
		I understand that Wiccans prefer to conduct their rituals sky-clad.
		That means naked.
		I understand that you use Athanes.
		I can't know that that's a thamies.
		Okay, those are like nine-inch daggers.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it depends on how much many you have.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I guess you've got to be a rich Wiccan.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The ritualist has long leads.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Now, that kind of ritualistic, Maybe this would be of interest.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		When Wiccans get together and they dance around a bonfire or use these various things, what's that all about?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		When you go to church and you start dancing your anthems and have your communion, what's that all about?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All about a belief.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
		We, nine times out of ten, do not worship skyclad.
		That is because this culture has so inculcated it into people that naked is sex that it is still back there in the mind.
		We have not exercised it yet.
		And the other thing is, we don't want people distracted from why they're there just by, you know, a lot of naked skin going around.
		If you were up in a nudist colony, that would be different.
		But we want people more concentrating inward.
		The object of being sky-clad is to make you all as one, all equal.
		We find that because of our culture, it is more equal for us to all wear robes of the same color, of approximately the same design, but nothing that would stand out and clash.
		It's as if you had a field of flowers there, but no predominance that would draw your eye.
		Okay, as for the 9-foot blade, I wish...
		I'm sorry, nine inches.
		My actual blade is eight inches on my fanny.
		It is very sharp, it is very pointed, and if it ever draws any blood other than my own, I have to destroy it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Under the Wiccan religion.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Now, I built the hilt for that Athenae.
		It's built out of black horn, a molded silver grip with two crystals in it, and a garnet for my birthstone and laid in the hilt.
		Ain't no way I'm going to take out that blade.
		And I inserted the blade and consecrated it.
		The Athemé, while it looks mean and nasty, is never used in actuality.
		It is the symbol of your will.
		This is what you would channel the force with, if I can drop into a Star Wars vernacular.
		This is where the energy flows through to give you a fine point.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Through the ethane.
unidentified		Right.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You can also use your two fingers.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		But the ethane gives you a more visual point, particularly for a beginner.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You said something about if it draws any blood other than your own, you have to destroy it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We indicated earlier that there are any numbers of wiki groups in the military, and they are sent off to kill people.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		See, they'll go with their affair.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, I realize that.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		But it isn't...
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly what you're looking for, the wick and read.
		By the wic and laws ye must, in perfect harm and perfect trust.
		A words the wick and read fulfill, and ye harm none.
		Do what ye will.
		Lest in thy self-defense it be.
		And never mind the rule of three.
		Follow this with mind and heart, and Mary will meet, and Mary will part.
		Most people leave out the last part, lest in thy self-defense it be.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, then how do the folks in the military reconcile their religion with the fact that they may have to go to Kosovo or someplace like that and kill people?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Lest in thy self-defense it be.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Just as self-defense.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So it depends.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What is self-defense?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It is self-defense, and it is also loyalty to your clan, to your tribe, to your country.
		The Wicca has an extremely loyal clan feel.
		When someone is under attack, it's like one of your distant family members is being attacked.
		That's why everybody is so outraged about the 4-2 episode.
		It's not just us.
		It's not just our immediate cousins or groves.
unidentified		It's how dare they.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		This is a religion.
unidentified		This is a belief.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
unidentified		Okay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You got me helping my high horse.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's all right.
		We need to know what it's all about.
		Now, if I can just spend the next few minutes talking a little bit about what is believed here.
		Now, most Wiccans worship Mother Earth and Father Sky.
		And also there are three things that Wiccans, there's salt and water and one other thing.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oil?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm guessing.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, we worship the mother and the father, the male and the female.
		That is the division just before you go back to the all, which is everybody combined, and you can't quite understand that.
		No one can.
		That's why we have to divide it.
		But we believe or accept the earth as our mother, because that is where our nurturing comes from.
		This is where we get our foods.
		This is where our ancestors saw life come from out of apparent nothingness.
		However, our ancestors weren't really, really dumb.
		They did notice that the birthing began right about the time the sun started getting noticeably higher in the sky, which had to make him the father.
		That was after they figured out that connection.
		Our underman also did not quite figure out the connection between loving someone and having a baby nine months later.
		So to them, life was a beautiful, wonderful mystery, and it came from the mother earth, from the father son.
unidentified		And that's how babies were born.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating, isn't it?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Be scared, catch kids.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		From there, ancient man took the concept of the mother or the female earth and broke it down into more and more little bits and pieces as they had need.
		Much like has been done in some of the Christian churches with various saints.
		They did the same thing with the God figure, and they occasionally switched them.
		In the Orient you will find quite a few sun goddesses, and you will find several within the Egyptian pantheons, as well as earth gods.
		All of this depends on what tradition that you follow.
		Much of what I'm telling you is from my tradition.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying there are various factions within the Wiccans?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		It's just like Protestants.
		You've got the Georgians.
		You've got the Alexandrians.
		You've got the Gardnerians who slayed there with the first.
		You've got the Do After Day of the Nun.
		Church of Iron Oak.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but going back to Mother and Father.
		Witches goal of perfect balance.
		What does that mean, perfect balance?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That is the ideal we aspire for.
		That means to walk with insight upon the balance of the wheel.
		That makes a lot of sense too, didn't it.
		We try to understand ourselves as well as those around us.
		To balance those understandings and to try to walk a non-intrusive life, much as you would look at an Indian within our own known path.
		That's why it takes so much meditation to walk this path.
		We rarely succeed to a perfect balance.
		We always tend to wobble one way or the other.
		But what we expect of every initiate is when they see themselves leaning, oh, perhaps too much toward self-faith, to look at it, accept it, and consciously pull back toward a more objective center.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We'll stop right there at the more objective center because we have to come to an end in this portion.
		We have another three hours here to develop, so don't worry about it.
		We'll get everything out.
		And we will also open our phone lines.
		A lot of people, a lot of questions about the Wiccans, the Good Witches.
		We will continue here on Coast to Coast AM.
		In for our bear, I am Hilliard.
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hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Subject of the evening is Wiccans, Witches.
		And I wanted to hark back to a little earlier this morning, we had a lady calling us about, I guess the book of the man we were talking about on Greenland yesterday, which was Worlds in Collision.
		That was the name of the book.
		And I suggested that she might get a copy of it from Powell's.
		And somebody kindly sent me a fax saying that my memory did serve me well.
		It was Powell's City of Brooks in Portland, Oregon.
		And you get them on email at ping at powells.portland.org.us.
		That's me, your phone number.
		Toll-free, 800-878-7323.
		World's Enclosion was a huge bestseller years ago, and I'm sure that they will have any numbers of copies or know how to get them.
		And let's see, what else I need to tell you?
		I have a new email number.
		I'll tell you that.
		It is hilly at hillyrose.com.
		And I do read all your emails.
		Let's see what else here.
		I guess that's about it.
		Our tax number 541-664-8261.
		And we'll get back to the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, High Priestess, Rover of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess, right after this.
unidentified		Thank you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Subject tonight is the Wiccans.
		We were talking with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky.
		Amber, a couple of three things.
		One is I got a fax here from somebody saying the definition of the word witch is to bend or shape.
		In other words, like water, which is the dowsing rod bends over water.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		As I said, there are various definitions because we are going back so far.
		This is the main one that they used to also verify the word.
		It ends up meaning the same thing because it ends up meaning to bend things to one's will, which would give you a very similar meaning.
		What we're aiming to bend to our will is our lower appetite, usually.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		To get rid of it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not to get rid of it so much as to make it do what we say.
unidentified		I see.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so your mind controls.
unidentified		Right.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We believe in moderation, and we believe that you control what you do.
unidentified		It's not the devil made you do it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I found the quote that I was looking for.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I asked you earlier about what the Wiccans celebrate, and it says here, and you can tell me I'm wrong, they celebrate earth spirits such as the great goddess Freya and on their altars give blessings to water, bread, and salt, the three essentials of life, while the congregation holds hands in a circle around a large bonfire.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is that true or not?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Not for my tradition, but it may be for some of the Nordic traditions.
		Again, it's very individual.
		Our circles can look very much like a revival meeting except everybody's wearing dresses.
		We have communion.
		We have singing and joyous noise made.
unidentified		We raise the power.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You do all those same things at a revival meeting.
		Then you bring it down and you hug and kiss everybody and you feel all very, very good and you usually go out and have dinner.
		That's what we do.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I will admit to you, the story that I was reading from is out of the United Kingdom, it's out of Britain.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So that may be that they are a little bit different there.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		But we do have some that probably celebrate the same way here in the United States, probably some here in Georgia.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Now, when we were discussing your title of the Reverend Lady Amber Mabe, you said that probably was handed down from Britain.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So does this religion stem from Britain or does it stem from, it would seem to me more of a stemmed from the Middle East somewhere, India perhaps.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on how far back you go.
		What we believe happened, and again, this is subject to discussion and controversy, we believe that this religion was in its formulative beginnings back as far as the beginning of the Aryan invasions, which were the very beginnings with Babylon, the Assyrians.
		They came up over through Turkey and then started coming down into the, back down into the Mediterranean and then over into the Celtic lands.
		The Celts made a tremendous push through the North European countries and segmented, split, went around, adopted tribal gods here, a tribal god here, put everybody together.
		The older people realized that the different names weren't different gods or goddesses.
		They were just that particular tribe's name for this aspect that they called this.
		Look at Aries and Mars.
		Venus and Aphrodite.
		Those are the most common ones.
		This happened all the way around.
		So we have people who celebrate with Egyptian traditions.
		We have people who work with Celtic traditions.
		We have people who work with Nordic.
		We have people who work with Arthurian, going back into the Briton traditions.
		We have some over here that incorporate the Native American traditions.
		Some of it is what we would say, quote-unquote, purer than others.
		That doesn't mean anything particularly except they say more in one pantheon than they would mix and match.
		The majority of covens of girls that I know of mix and match with great abandon.
		If they have need for prosperity, they're going to call on the goddess Fortuna before they're going to call on the goddess Hakate, even if that happened to be the goddess of their temple.
		You know, you don't call on somebody who's going to bring choice and death and questions and all this other stuff when she walks long green.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's like calling on a saint.
unidentified		Exactly.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		So that's why you have different ones.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I had a caller in the very first hour of the program who said she knew all kinds of Wiccans and that there, and I'm asking you to biggerly verify this or say no.
		There were all kinds of Wiccans.
		There were good Wiccans, and the majority of Wiccans were really very good people.
		But there were a few who were not good Wiccans and who said incantations to get back at people or to influence in a negative way.
		Is that true or not?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		It's true.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		Do the Christians have Jim Jones?
		Or had?
		Did they have David Koresh?
		Everybody's got their few bad apples.
		We try to read them out.
		We don't always succeed.
		We do not have any common law that we can actually use to stop them.
		All we can use to actually stop someone who is inappropriately using their power or position, usually it's a position, is to expose them.
		Expose them within the community, expose them as far around the community as you can within the laws of slander or libel.
		So that at least babies who are going to be beginning classes will have an idea that this may not be exactly what they're looking for.
		Granted, this isn't a great way of doing it, but it's about the only thing we've been come up with so far, that and having various places that you can go to inquire if there are any classes going on and who is safe to go to and who isn't.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a the implication here was that these negative Wiccans or witches have the power to say incantations and do dreadful things to people.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		They might think they do.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The majority of them don't.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		But you say there are apparently some that do.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Dear Magic is ruled by will, by strength.
		If these people have that much determination, they're going to make changes.
		They're going to cause things to happen that would not happen under common circumstances.
		They're what we call the dark workers.
		Then you've got the majority of what's out there, or at least the majority that I know, and they're called the light workers.
		This is one of the things we do when we're working.
		It's kind of like you do a little bit of a police force action.
unidentified		You go out and make sure everything's cool in your neighborhood.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I know that sounds cavalier, but we kind of have had that attitude.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're being very forthright here, and I appreciate it very much.
		People have been hanging on for hours here, so may I please take some calls now?
		Okay, well, understand, we do not screen these calls.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Therefore, I haven't the slightest idea of what these people had to say.
		And, you know, you seem perfectly capable of responding to almost anybody.
		And let me try one answer right now, which we're going to get all evening long.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		It says in the Bible, Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That is an incorrect translation, according to my friends in linguistics.
		The actual quotation is, thou shalt not suffer a poisoner of the water to live.
		In other words, if you poison the water in the desert, we're going to kill your bat.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, the well, that was Exodus 22-18.
		There's another quote out of Exodus, another one out of Deuteronomy, but I rather imagine you'll hear from that as we move along.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		On Alaska, Wisconsin.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		Jesse.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Jesse, you go right ahead.
unidentified		Thank you.
		First of all, hello, Hilly, and nice to meet you, Amber.
		Hello.
		I just have one comment and a question, and then I will hang up.
		In 1972, I purchased, my notes are coming out here, I purchased the book by Anton LeVay called The Satanic Bible.
		I did white witchcraft, and believe you me, it does work.
		I had 14 proposals, but it only lasted three weeks.
		And then somebody told me, white witchcraft is as bad as black witchcraft, so I burned the book.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was good.
unidentified		Okay.
		And then I'd like to know from you, Amber, and the Wiccan or what you're into, is there a book or phone number or anything that you've written that I can buy or purchase?
		And we'll hang up and let you take over.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
		I think the question here, and I've been expecting that all evening, you know, this is a program that's heard throughout the world, mainly in the United States and Canada, and many, many other places.
		So people are going to say who are interested, maybe you piqued their interest, how do I find out more about Wiccans?
		I think this is the time for you to give us a very straightforward answer.
		You're in Atlanta, so you're head of a coven there, but that doesn't help somebody in Montana or California or somewhere else.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, what I would advise them to do first is to, if they're anywhere near a large city, is to go there and pick up their yellow pages and look under books under metaphysical bookstore.
		See if you can find a copy of the Spiral Dance, Rebirth of the Religion of the Great Goddess.
		And that's by the way.
		That's by Starhawk.
		I'm sorry, Starhawk.
		I really am.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		The Spiral Dance by Starhawk.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It was the first truly seminal book of the Rebirth of the Goddess.
		It has got explanation in there.
		It's got some stuff that I use for my classes, giving due credit, because this is a wonderful lady.
		But it's very readable as well.
		The other one that I am particularly fond of is Drawing Down the Moon by Margo Adler.
		She is a commentator on Fall Things Considered with NPR.
		And the book that she wrote, and it was back in 79, it has been updated, was a information about the New Age in general.
		There's various groups in there and Wicca and paganism being one of them.
		The best thing to do with one of Anton Levey's books, as much as I really hate to do this because I'm not a book burner, is you don't want babies to get their hands on it because they're basically booby traps to make you look like an idiot.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's, I think, a separate subject.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We're trying to focus now on people.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was just the books.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		If I lived in Paducah, Kentucky, in fact, there was a man who called me from Jacksonville, North Carolina, who wanted to know if there were any Wiccans in his area.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		How do you find out?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the best way to do that is if you have got a computer anywhere near at hand, go to it.
		You can pull up Wicca.
		Don't pull up Alt Wicca.
		That can sometimes get you some strange things.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's www.wicca.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, go in and in your search engines.
		Oh, okay.
		Okay.
		Or I'll send you to my very, very favorite one.
		There's a place called the Magical Cauldron, and it can loop you with almost anybody you want.
		It also happens to be the website of one of my children, so I do have a vested interest, knowing it's well maintained.
		And that address is www.magical Cauldron, all one word, C-A-L-U-D-R-E-N.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I rather imagine that website is going to be mighty busy tonight.
		Let's take another call here.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Las Vegas.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Your name?
unidentified		Tony?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Tony, all right, Tony.
unidentified		Go ahead.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, Hilly?
unidentified		Hello, Amber.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Amber, I've got a few questions for you.
unidentified		What does your covenant think of President Clinton?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That seems to be a political, not religious, question.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You can answer it or not as you choose, Amber.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what my group thinks about it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It's not my dad.
unidentified		How about you personally?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think that's a reasonable question, Tony.
unidentified		Okay, I'll go on to my next two questions.
unidentified		Is there any way a wicked can travel out of body, and if so, why is it practiced?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It is practiced when you are doing meditative states.
		It is practiced in order to achieve more insight, usually within yourself.
		So it is practiced?
		It depends on various people's interpretation.
		There's no way I can ever prove that it is.
		There's no way you can ever prove it isn't.
		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you, Jackie.
		Thank you.
		This is Hillary Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Toledo, Ohio.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		My name is Jackie.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jackie.
unidentified		And I'm calling because I wanted to ask a question.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're on the air.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Oh, I'm on the air.
		Anyway, hello, Lady Amber.
		Hello.
		It's nice to speak with you.
		I don't know if you're familiar with the author Lori Cabot.
		Yes.
		I read her book when I was 14 years old because I was very interested.
		And I can't even say why I was interested.
		I guess with the whole magical euphemism or whatever, the idea of being able to practice magic if it did so-in-fact exist.
		I found her book to be very informative.
		And she doesn't really talk in detail about, I guess, the things that are practiced as far as Jeff, I've got ten seconds.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What did you want to ask?
unidentified		Well, I wanted to ask exactly how would I go about contacting somebody in relevance to the certain rituals that are practiced.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to have to give you the answer on the other side.
		So you keep that in mind, please, Amber, and we will pick up right after this exciting break.
		I am Hilly Rose, in for Art Bell on Coast to Coast,
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		I'm your man.
		I'm your man.
		You better stop the fucking after you.
		I feel a water.
		I ain't lying.
		Yeah.
		I ain't gonna take none of you fooling around.
		Oh, man.
		I'm going to pick my old.
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		Now, filling in for Art Bell.
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hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Subject tonight are rippins, witches, religion, a variety of things we're talking about.
		And reminder that Art Bell will be back with you tomorrow night, tomorrow morning, however it is, we're in your time zone.
		And I will return for Dreamland on Sunday.
		And on Monday next, Monday, Tuesday morning, I should say.
		We'll be talking about abductions, E.T. abductions, many, many stories about abductions, and tell you how you will know whether you have been abducted.
		It is very possible that you have been abducted and just don't know it, but there are telltale signs.
		And we'll examine that whole area.
		Monday, Tuesday, next.
		Tonight we're talking Wiccans, and we will continue our conversation, get an answer for Jackie and Toledo, right after these messages.
		We're talking to the Reverend Lady Amber Mae Shemansky, High Priestess, Robo Wing Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
		And Amber, the Jackie in Toledo, was asking where she could find information on the rituals of the Wiccans.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The Wiccans in general?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		With Caddet in particular?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think probably, yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		She was talking about the lady she had been reading.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Lori Cadet has her own website.
		Oh, well, that kind of thing.
		So get your search engine, put her name in there, and it'll take you straight to her.
		I'm sorry, I don't know the name.
		Anyone else who is interested in a more generic, I'd like to give two more websites that might be helpful.
unidentified		Okay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		One is www.cog, that's Covenant of the Goddess, dot org.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		C-O-G, C-OG, which stands for Covenant of the Goddess.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Right.org.
		There's also, there will be, there are teenage pages in there.
		There are explanations about who and what the organization is itself.
		The other one is www.
		Witchbox.
		It's W-I-D-T-H-B-O-X dot com.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		This is The Witch's Voice.
		This is another group that tries to steer people towards information that they're seeking.
		All three of these websites are designed to educate you to what Wicca is, basically, you know, the first ABCs, and to guide you onto other things that you would want to be interested in.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have read, and I can't quote it to you anywhere, I don't remember where I've read it, that Wiccans basically are interested in nature and the ecology of the world and putting not only themselves in balance, but the world in balance.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Could you address that for a moment?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		We're known as the world's first ecologist.
		We believe that the plants and the animals are no less worthy of life than human beings.
		What made two-legged so very important over the green brothers that give us air to breathe and food to eat, or our four-legged brothers who give us security and, again, food to eat.
		We just believe that you live gently upon the land and you live in harmony with your fellow creatures.
		And that's a real problem when you're an arachnophobe to learn to be colorful spider.
		And I'm having to deal with that.
		But it's realizing that they are all a part of the ultimate creative force.
		God, if you will.
unidentified		We all know it sounds silly.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm trying to understand.
		That's all what you believe in.
		You don't worship trees.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		Any more than I worship my husband.
		I'm very, very fond of him.
		But it's that connection of life to life.
		You don't worship a child in the neighborhood that you see about to get a black car, but you go and grab the kid.
		It's a preservation, an acknowledgement of life.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm reading here from the article that was written in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago.
		It says, on full moons and eight sacred holidays, they, meaning the Wiccans and dozens of more witches from the surrounding area, watch the high priestess lift her dagger over a ball of salt and honor the blessed earth.
		What is there about full moons and eight sacred holidays?
		Can you sort of explain that to me?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The eight sacred holidays are harvest festivals.
		They are isolar holidays.
		They celebrate beginning anew, the birth of the new sun, followed by elmbok, which is the increasing light and the first little beginnings of some of the plants, followed by Beltane, when things are really starting to sprout, followed by Latha, when things are in just absolutely luscious, marvelous ripeness.
		This is also when the sun is at its fullness.
		All of the first part of those four holidays have been growing, the sun getting bigger and bigger.
		That's where our ancestors looked at it.
		Then it begins to die.
		This is not a good thing.
		So you have Lugnathod, which is literally the fast of Luke, the sun god.
		He just goes to his wake before other people do.
		Next you have Mabon, and that's the crossing the abyss, getting ready to go into the underworld to be reborn.
		At Salwin, you get in the boat and you start progressing into the underworld, awaiting rebirth, which happens at Yule.
		And the process starts all over again.
		That's the eight holidays.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by the underworld?
		You know, Cyrus lived in the underworld in Egypt.
		I'm just trying to understand what you mean by it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It is the, in this particular legend, it is the land of rebirth and regeneration.
		Wiccans aren't stuck on a heaven.
		We understand that our myths are myths.
		So it doesn't bother us that we can have an underworld which is regeneration and regrowth.
		And we can also have what's called a summer one, which is above and does the same thing.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you find yourself reincarnated?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Over the over the lifetimes?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you could be reincarnated zillions of times?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Eight so far that I'm aware of.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That you're aware of?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What were you in a past life?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		A priestess.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So once a priestess, always a priestess?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It does seem to look that way.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Um can't uh some lower person aspire to become a priestess then?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I mean after all the idea of reincarnation as most people understand it is to is to uh you know pay stay in this world and to to be better.
		And every time you're reincarnated to be better more better again.
		If that's a poor way of putting it.
		So i i i is that what you're what's happening with the Wiccans?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what we believe is happening.
		Again, this is subjective.
		We can't prove it.
		We don't have a little scorecard that we pull out and that's what it's fine.
		But what you sometimes you are allowed to remember little bits and pieces.
		I don't believe it ever is something that's spectacular and beautiful like being Queen of Egypt or something neat like that.
		It's something easy really dirty and grungy like toting an amphora across a hot sticky desert floor.
		But it gives us a feeling of continuance, a feeling of togetherness and of being with each other before.
unidentified		You know you run into some people that you just feel like I've known them forever.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		And you will find you're even able to finish their influences.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You've been with them before.
		You've coming back into your tribe.
		You seem to be reincarnating with a tribal portion.
		It's quite interesting.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Move along and take some more calls here.
unidentified		Hi.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		This is Hilly Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		From Worcester, Massachusetts.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Worcester?
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		They have witches up there in Worcester?
unidentified		Well, in Salem.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's close enough.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Your first name, please.
unidentified		Nancy.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, Nancy, just speak right into your phone.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're coming in very low.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
		What I wanted to say is I'm a member of the First Unitarian Church.
		And in our newsletter that we get from Boston, it had the there was a group of witches out west that had a church group because in our church group here it's Judeo-Christian, but I guess in the Unitarian Church they can choose whatever they want.
		And I thought that was interesting.
		I was wondering if she knew if Amber knew anything about that, about cups.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Beg your pardon?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Universalist Unitarian?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, actually she was asking if you knew about this group that were universal that were Unitarians but were out west and they claimed to be witches.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
		Well there is a Universalist Unitarian group that has what's known as cups in it.
		And it is a Wiccan group within the Universalist Unitarian Church.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We're not understanding that word you're using.
unidentified		Cups?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Cups.
		Hang on just a moment.
		Congregation of Universalist Unitarian Pagans.
		My husband was having to give me the word.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and that's what Cups stands for.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And it's composed predominantly of high school students who are what we call seekers.
		They are trying very hard to find the path that's appropriate for them.
		Sometimes they will weave off into other groups.
		Sometimes three of them will get together and form their own groups.
		But it can be a very positive experience.
unidentified		Right, because it seems it's a free church, so you're able to believe what you want to believe.
unidentified		Yeah, which is good.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It's very, very supportive.
unidentified		I was wondering, Amber, what you feel about the TV show Charmed?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You know, if I hate to say this, I haven't seen it.
unidentified		You haven't seen it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't either.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's it about, Nancy?
unidentified		It has to do with three sisters who discover that they find the book up in the attic that their mother had been a witch, and that the three of them all have special powers.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I wish it were that easy.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, it's interesting.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It seems like practical magic from what you're saying.
unidentified		But they seem to do good.
		They seem to help people.
		And each one has a special power.
		One can stop motion.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, my teacher on the West Coast was a consultant for that series when it first started.
unidentified		But it's good.
unidentified		I mean, I watch it sometimes, but it seems positive, but I was just curious if you haven't seen it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Neither of us have seen it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		But thank you, Nancy.
unidentified		Okay, thank you, Hillary.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Now, Hillary, that's one thing we truly appreciate.
		Here they are actually taking a positive look at us without trying to go too far overboard.
		They're not doing, I don't think, quite as bad indoors.
		We don't want to convert.
		We don't want to draw people into our religion.
		We just don't want people to assume we're going to do a nice things.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's ask this party where you're calling from, please.
unidentified		Mr. Rose, this is Mike.
unidentified		I'm calling from Mobile, Alabama.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, Mike.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Lady Amber, I respect your religion.
		Your religion is based on the fact that many men and women died for you to have the religion that you have.
		And I respect you.
		I personally am a Christian, and I hope that you respect my religion.
		And I'm sure you do.
		My question for you, can you hear me okay?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I can hear you, sister, and you are a capital C Christian.
unidentified		Ma'am?
unidentified		You're a capital C. That's fantastic.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your question?
unidentified		My question is, I've met, well actually I've interacted with people that are of the Wiccan faith, and they're really kind and good-hearted people.
		And I don't see where the witch comes into it as far as what I would assume or people that I know would assume are witches.
		Because, like I said, you're you're my I don't even call it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Let's get to that question, Amber.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		He's saying, why do you call yourself a witch?
unidentified		Okay, and you you are a Christian.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You're showing it by the fact you are questioning.
		If it were dangerous for you to call yourself a Christian, if there was a possibility you would be fired if people knew you were a Christian, it wouldn't matter to you what you called yourself, but how would you feel maybe later that you had gunked out abusing a name just because it might have been inconvenient?
		You wouldn't deny being a Christian just because it would be difficult, would you?
unidentified		No, ma'am.
unidentified		And I I think a young lady died in Columbine professionally a Christian.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And that young lady went with Glory.
		She was a very strong and a wonderful lady.
		I was sisters.
		And there are some of us who died the same way.
		That's why we can't give it up.
		Make any more service?
unidentified		Yes, ma'am.
		Can I say this?
		I totally respect your religion, and I thank the men and women that have died for you to be able to profess it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, what men and women are you talking about?
		Americans or the Crusades?
		I mean, what are you talking about here?
unidentified		Sure, the fact that this country, the freedom that we enjoy to have free religion.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, nobody's arguing that at all.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're not arguing that, are you, Anne?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
unidentified		No, and I'm not either.
		I'm just saying that I respect her religion in the same way that I'm sure she respects mine.
		And isn't that wonderful about this country?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It is great, Mike, and I thank you for the call.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm from Kansas City.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I can't hear you at all, man.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Running your phone.
unidentified		From Kansas City, Missouri.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hey, all right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		Mary Amber.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Miriam, you speak right on your phone.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're coming in really low.
unidentified		Maryamber.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Bear, that's good.
		Thank you.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Mary Nee Amber.
		Very neat.
		I just wanted to call and say we don't all wear black.
		I wear a business suit every day.
		I'm in a professional field.
		My husband is as well.
		We own a house.
		We pay taxes.
		And we just want to be able to worship ourselves in our way.
		And that's it.
		And some of us have to stay in the broom closet to do that.
		I know.
		Because of the negative connotations that are out there.
		And sure is our child, which maybe is trying to be positive but tends to be more like a B movie.
		I did have a question.
		In Kansas City, we have been dealing with someone here.
		As you had said earlier, we kind of try and keep a watch within our community.
		And at Hartley last two weeks ago, which was a gathering, we were trying to come up with the documentation for your version of the read because none of us, including Silver Ravenwolf, had ever heard it.
		And the woman who we're keeping a watch on has been using that and kind of twisting it in ways we don't like.
		Can you tell me where to find it?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I was taught it at my first training school.
		If you will contact me at the COG email address I gave me contact me at www.cog.
		Hang on, I'm giving you the wrong address.
		Hang on, let me give it the PIO's address so I can get you straight through to me.
		And send me the details on email and let me know and I'll see what I can do for you, okay?
unidentified		Okay, that's it.
unidentified		Just a second.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm sleeping here.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		If you don't have it right to a second, we'll give it on the other side of the office.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me do that.
unidentified		Let me give it to you when we get to the awesome first person, okay?
unidentified		Blessed be, everyone.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Bless it be, and may the lady be with you.
unidentified		Thank you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Good night, and we will continue here and find out more among the Wiggins who they are, what they believe.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm Hilly Rose sitting in for Ark Bell on coast to coast.
unidentified		No doubt it's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
		And I'm ready for the time.
		Who can you say?
		I'm ready for the time.
		You seem to want from me what I cannot give.
		I feel so welcome at night.
		I feel so welcome at night.
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		Now, filling in for Art Bell, Billy Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I've been meaning to mention to you, and I keep forgetting.
		A lot of people are so interested in the story of Billy Meyer.
		He is the, or is, the Swiss person who has had so many visitations from the Palladians and has visited their ships and all the rest of it.
		And there's a lot of new information about Billy Meyer.
		And two weeks from now, we will be doing a program with Michael Hesseman of Dusseldorf.
		I love saying that word, Dusseldorf, and directly from Dusseldorf, on the other hand.
		I talked to Mike today, and we finally agreed on a date and time to present all this old information and new information to you.
		This is one of the more inexplicable visitations, abductions by the Pleiadians.
		And that'll be two weeks from now.
		So I hope that you will mark it on your calendar and be there.
unidentified		Okay?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We will continue talking about the Wiccans.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We'll wrap these messages.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Back to the Reverend Lady Andremae Shymansky.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And do you have that email she was sent?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, an email address.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		And that's PIO at C-O-G.org.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So that's a website.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, it's...
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, to direct a...
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, give it to me.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		In Covenant.
unidentified		P-I-O at COG.org.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		COG.org.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm still glad I got it.
unidentified		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I've had any numbers of faxes come in.
		We can't share them all, but there are a couple here that I want to share with you.
		One says, please ask your guests her attitude toward the use of legal and illegal drugs for the purpose of inducing altered states of consciousness during practice and rituals.
unidentified		Okay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Basically, if it is illegal, avoid it.
		Regardless of what you're seeing in the Native American practices, some of the Native Abiyam Nordics also use hallismogens in some of the rituals.
		In order to work magic, you need to be in complete control of your facilities.
		It's too easy to lose the focus if you are altered by a legal or illegal drug.
		If we have somebody who is ill and who's having to take painkillers, having to take heavy-duty tranquilizers, then they normally will not work energy until the reason for this problem has been solved.
		If it is something they are on as a routine basis and say at a maintenance dose and it is monitored by a physician or by their health care worker, then we have no problem with it as long as they are able to fully function.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Do you use or did any of the people in the past before these drugs became illegal use drugs in the rituals?
unidentified		Of course.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		They did this because it would produce a feeling of euphoria.
		Some of the flying ointments that you read of in some of the old grammars are horrific.
		And they include everything from cannabis, belladonna, opioids.
		You would literally be flying high and it was applied to mucous membrane, which means it was absorbed very rapidly.
		So this is how you would get people flying to savage.
		It's a way of escaping reality, just like it's sometimes used today.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Another fact that I'm going to have to just quickly paraphrase for you, because we sort of touched on it earlier, but I've heard Wiccans being interviewed on the radio stating that although their religion is totally against the killing of others, Wiccans who choose to be in the military do whatever is required of them and then later atone for their sin in the Wiccan ceremony.
		These same Wiccans make a big deal about how Christians in the military are hypocritical since the Bible commands that thou shalt not kill.
		I'd like your guests to respond to this rationalization by Wiccans in the military and to the fact that an accurate translation of the Bible says that thou shalt not murder.
		The Bible clearly condones the killing of enemies in legitimate battle to protect one's nation and to kill a criminal to defend oneself or one's loved one.
		But here's the kicker, because we sort of went through that earlier.
		The kicker is, taking into consideration the above apparent contradiction about killing by Wiccans, how would you respond to the accusation that Wiccan infiltration of the U.S. military is possibly a satanic plot to destroy the United States of America's military capability?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		If it weren't so pitiful, I would laugh.
		Number one, Wiccans do not, have not, never have, never will worship any entity known as Satan.
		That is a purely Christian construction, kids.
		We do worship a horned God or the essence behind the horned God.
		And as for us wanting to infiltrate the government for satanic rights, once again, why would you give rights to something you don't believe in?
		That would make as much sense as her coming into a full moon circle with me.
		I'm sorry, the fact is ludicrous.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's fine.
		I'm not going to argue with you.
		Based on what you're telling me about the Wiccan religion, yes, it would be ludicrous.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Each tradition is different.
		We do not dictate to our members what their moral stand is.
		We teach them to be responsible for the stand that they take.
		That means we have some people who are pro-lifers.
unidentified		We have others that are pro-choice.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I've got a student who is a strong member in the NRA.
		We fight over gun control.
		We agree to disagree.
		I'm a carnivore.
		I like red meat.
		I eat meat.
		I do not see any conflict by vow of any harm none.
		It's a transfer of energy and honoring.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I heard you say a little while ago that we have to honor animals and trees and grass and yet.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And you're for killing animals?
unidentified		If I eat, yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You can eat vegetables, but that's the same thing, isn't it?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, it is not.
		But if you, you can, well, eating vegetables would be equivalent to killing an animal because you're going to have to kill the plant.
		The ones that you harvest, you're killing their babies.
		So, I mean, living is living.
		If we are no better Than a four-legged animal, a cow.
		What makes us better than a potato?
		It's life.
		It has a reason for being here.
		And it was created by the Maker.
		Do we have a right to end that life?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you mentioned the Maker.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Who is the Maker?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The Maker is the All.
		Now got you.
		The All is the creative force that is neither male nor female and both, that is neither the past nor the future nor the present but all.
		It's everything that ever was or ever will be, and it is so immense that no human mind can truly understand it.
		And the minute you try to explain it, you have then compromised it and it no longer exists as the all.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, since I have a human mind, I won't bother then.
		But it makes me wonder, how do you feel about extraterrestrial life?
		Or how do Wiccans feel about extraterrestrial life?
		I don't really care what you specifically think.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that, again, is very individual.
unidentified		Quite a few of them do believe that there have been visitations.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Others haven't mentioned it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It's not a tremendously big Conversation at this point.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then we'll move on here.
		I have one other question.
		Again, I'm referring to the article in the Washington Post as of June 8th, in which they say: to date, no other group as off-beat as the Wiccans, that's his words, has asked for approval.
		But the Army's handbook for chaplains uses a few of the myriad possibilities open to soldiers, which includes Church of Satan, Black Judaism, Scientology, Temple of Set.
		I don't know whether that's a misprint.
		I don't know what that is.
		No, that's correct.
		And all candidates for potential approval considered case by case.
		But according to this article, Wiccans are the only ones who have asked for approval.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I do believe that the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan are both approved.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Temple of Set is won by Michael Aquino, who is a member of our military service, the Navy.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was part of the Church of Satan.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Church of Satan splintered.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		There was a political freefall.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		When Anton died, I think.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, before that.
unidentified		Before that?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Michael and Anton did not get along together well.
		They didn't work and play together.
		And he split.
		The Temple of Set continued to grow, apparently, and the Church of Satan kind declined as Anton's help declined.
		I didn't realize he was dead until about a year ago, to be honest, when I saw his daughter on the TV.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's been a number of years, I think.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's been quite a while.
		There is a, there are active temples of set in the United States.
		They are basically a very materialistic and manipulative hedonist organization.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, you get lumped in here with some rather interesting groups, I must say.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We tend to.
		Everyone believes the stereotype.
		They believe the black hat and red stockings and the green face.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You might look very fetching in that.
		Who knows?
		Let's go to phone calls because lots of people want to talk with you.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		From Looking, Nebraska.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Stella.
unidentified		Okay, I'll just do that.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I'd like to know what peoples worshiped Wicca prior to 1903.
		Also, the religion I follow is called the Saucher.
		I know people that follow the Celtic religion who would call her a liar for claiming that Wicca has anything to do with Celts.
		And I've never known any Celts that worshiped any Egyptian gods or goddesses.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Let's go back a couple of steps here, Mike.
		Number one, I didn't understand the question.
		Maybe she did about 1903.
		Do you understand that, Andrew?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's asking me to document the Wiccan faith before 1903.
		Dear, as you are well aware, most of this was underground, what there was of it.
		What we are currently experiencing is reconstruction.
		We are not claiming that it is word for word.
		But we are trying to pull traditions, pull the intent, and pull the spirit from the various pantheons that we work with.
		And as for a Celt who works an Egyptian pantheon, you're speaking with one sugar.
unidentified		What?
		I'm a Celt who works with an Egyptian pantheon.
		Well, what Celts ever, prior to 1903, what Celts ever worshipped Egyptian pantheons?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Dear, as I just finished saying, this was so under the rug, so deep in the closet.
		No one knew.
		When I started this in 1972, there was one magazine that you could usually find, and that was it.
		And trying to find a group to study with, well, God has helped you, I managed to find one of the few public ones.
		But nobody can answer you that question.
		I can't answer you right now exactly how many of us there are in the country.
		Well, I'm sorry.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mike?
unidentified		Well, I'm acting with Mark.
		And like I said, the religion I follow is called Asatru.
		And I've heard all kinds of things mentioned on the Art Bell program.
		I don't know if you ever considered having somebody that follows Asatru.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Just send us the information, and we'll consider it, okay?
unidentified		All right.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I would be very interested, too.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Get more understanding.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I'm sorry that I have to profess my ignorance.
		What does this word pantheon mean in the context you're using it?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Pantheon is the culture within which the group of gods is embedded.
		You have the Greco-Roman pantheon, Jupiter and Zeus, Hera and Judo, Mars and Aries, this group.
		You have Egyptian.
		And the Egyptian is extremely confused.
		It's almost as confused as the Celtic.
		You have Isis, Osiris, and Horus as the main triad coming out of Cairo, I believe.
		I'm going to get screwed up here now because this one always confused me.
		We have Sakhmet, Tum, and Kemet, and Memphis.
		So the Egyptian pantheons are in little groups, and then they got drunk together as the country grew together.
		This is how most of these pantheons, groups of gods and goddesses grew.
		They were tribal gods.
		They served the needs of the people.
		When a stronger force came in, it blended the tribal gods.
		It incorporated them.
		The earlier religions did not necessarily demonize the old religion, the old gods and goddesses.
		It absorbed them.
		It took them into its own, it absorbed their sacred places, which all religions have been doing that.
		But this is why you've got such a confused and convoluted lineage if you ever try to find out who is the mother of whom within the pantheons.
		And this is why you have all of these great groups out there.
		I am conversant more with the Celtic and the Egyptian and the Greco-Roman than I am with the Chinese, though.
unidentified		Gotcha.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		So don't tell me about Chinese.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Sorry I asked.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		No, I really am.
		I'm glad you explained that to me.
		And to many others as well.
		We will continue here after the bottom-of-the-hour break and talk more with Amber about the wickedness.
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		I am Hilly Rose right here on coast to coast.
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		The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky are also on the faces of people going by.
		I see friends shaking them saying, how do you tell?
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		I think you must.
		What a wonderful world.
		Yes, indeed.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What a wonderful world.
		All the shades and varieties of situations that we talk about on these shows, it's never ending.
		It's an encyclopedic, what's the word I'm looking for here?
		Certainly an encyclopedic schooling.
		But it seems every time we open up one avenue of discussion, it brings on 20 more.
		And it never ends.
		There will never be an end of the material.
		People say to me, listen, here's an idea for you.
		Don't you run out of ideas?
		And I say, you can't believe.
		You can't believe how much there is to talk about.
		We're in here five hours a night.
		And, you know, you would think that we just run out of stuff to talk about.
		No way.
		No way.
		It is an eye-opener.
		And people who listen to this show are just great because you become more of a human being and try and understand shades and meanings and nuances and opening your minds to the new age and all the other things that we talk about.
		So my compliments to you.
		And stick with us.
		You will always learn more, as I do certainly just doing these shows.
		A quick reminder that my new email number is Hilly at HillyRose.com.
		That's H-I-L-L-Y.
		Hilly at HillyRose.com.
		And I do read all of them, and I do appreciate all of them.
		So many of you say nice things, and a lot of you say nasty things.
		You wouldn't believe some of the stuff that comes to me.
		But it does tell me, especially when you tell me whether you liked a show or didn't like a show, it helps me to book things that I think are directly in line with your interests.
		So please do send either faxes or emails.
		And I pay attention to them.
unidentified		I really, really do.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And we will pay attention to Amber and the Wickens in just a moment, right here on Costa Coast Stadium.
		music Back to the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, High Priestess, Grove of the Wings Scarab, Covenant of Goddess.
		And Amber, people tune in and out as the evening wears on and stations come in and out.
		And I think it's probably time for us to just quickly say why it is that Wicca, particularly amongst teenage girls, is just moving very, very rapidly in a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, which is our number one.
		So we were talking earlier about empowerment.
		Why don't you just recap that briefly?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, it gives a woman, particularly a teenage girl, a chance to feel like she can be in control of her life, that she has a chance at advancement, that she has someone like her that's on high that she can appeal to.
		The only one that has been acceptable up to this point has been the Virgin Mary.
		And a subservient, and that is the picture you get, a handmaiden pose is not what most young women want these days.
		They want to be as strong as they desire or as dependent as they desire.
		The operative word is they desire.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And the witch's girl is a perfect balance within themselves and the world.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Who's the Great Freya?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The Great Freya is one of the names of the Great Mother.
		She was the mother goddess of one of the Nordic Biosaster's pantheons.
		That's what he was referring to.
		It is a Nordic-Germanic tradition with some Saxon connections when they were in Britain, if I am correct.
		I am not an authority on this, and I do not claim to be.
		It is a very strongly emerging branch in the neo-pagan movement.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You have indicated a number of times this evening that there are many differences, just as there are within the Christian religion.
		But is there, I mean, the Christian religion after all is still united, in a sense, under Jesus Christ.
		So is there not something that unites the Wiccans?
		Why call yourself a Wiccan if you're something totally different?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		There are commonalities.
		One is the celebration of the Sabbaths, the solar Sabbath and the lunar Sabbaths.
		There is a connection with the earth.
		There is the connection between the Lord and the Lady and yourself.
		Those all must be found within the wicen.
		They also must understand the macrofocal side of it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That's a big word.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		That's run by the women.
		Focus through the women.
		As I said before, my husband is a witch.
		He is my working partner, my best friend, and my husband.
		And I'm still the one that is the ultimate authority in the craft.
		And I'm also the one that takes the ultimate responsibility.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Who does the dishes?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Both of us.
unidentified		Particularly now that our dishwasher has decided to dump.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I should have asked who takes out the garbage.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		That's what you should do.
		She wants to hear something he does very beautifully and wonderful and good.
		This man cleans cat boxes for me.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Really?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I have asthma, so he doesn't want me in there.
		We have eight cats.
		And this beautiful, wonderful man cleans cat boxes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hang on to him.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm planning to.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		These kind of guys are hard to find.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I know.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		My wife does that job.
unidentified		There's a kitty litter.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's move along here and say hi.
		I'm Killy Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from Tennessee.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Your first name?
unidentified		I prefer to use my craft name Frodo.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but we can hardly hear you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Please speak right into your phone.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I said I prefer to use the name Frodo.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's fine.
unidentified		Basically, I was wanting to talk with Amber.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		She's here.
unidentified		Hello, Amber.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Hello, dear.
		Right, blessings.
		I can barely hear you, darling.
		Bless it be.
unidentified		What do you think of the books by Scott Cunningham?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		They are wonderful for people who are out there on their own.
		I am a firm believer that he's a very, very good person to start with.
		And if at all possible, find a group to work with as well.
		He does not promote, well he never did in any of his books, promote controlling.
		He does not do rituals of retribution or of nastinesses.
		He has a great deal of positive information, and I recommend him to quite a few of my students.
unidentified		What about Amber Kaye and True Magic?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		True Magic?
		I have not read that yet.
		I have Covencraft by Amber Kaye, and I had her initial pamphlet on the care and feeding of a coven.
		And I am quite impressed with her work, with her writing.
		She was also the first officer of the covenant of the goddess when I joined the covenant.
		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Prudy, you're coming in solo.
		I'm going to have to move on.
		Thank you.
		Hi, where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Little Rock, Arkansas.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your name?
unidentified		Jeremy.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Jeremy, are you a Jeremy?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're on the ear.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Well, one thing I wanted to mention was kind of a comment.
		Just a second ago, you were talking about people that Scott Cunningham writes for solitaries.
		And I've been a solitary practitioner now for about five years.
		And I was just kind of wanting to back up some of the things that Lady Amber has been saying in that we don't, even though all of us, I mean, we follow so many different traditions and stuff, that it's like I'm kind of nervous, so please forgive me.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You're doing fine.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Like each one of us has our own set of specific rules and guidelines, just like in Christianity you have the Bible and Christianity is being based on that.
		We base our religion on the practices that she said as far as harming none and things like that.
		But we all have our different ideas and concept of what God is and how we're supposed to follow through with it and how it relates to us.
		And I've just noticed that so many people seem not to have any idea what we're talking about.
		They think it's all about the black hats and the broomsticks.
		And there's, I mean, like, hell, I'm a waiter at one of the final restaurants here in town.
		And so it's, you know, I mean, we come in all shapes and sizes.
		One thing I would like Amber to speak about would there would be like more common concepts on how homosexuals are related to in it.
		And so because I mean I'm solitary so I really don't have very many people in our real Bible belt state here to relate to.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I know the feeling.
		Well as far as I'm concerned, your private life is your private life.
		As long as you love, you love.
		I don't care whether people got innies or outies.
		If you're in the circle, I appreciate you channeling the energy of the gender you are wearing.
		In other words, if you are in a male gender in this physical body, I need you to channel male energy, not female.
		If this is something that the person can't do, if they are a transsexual and are going through that procedure, then they would need to tell me so that I can make adjustments whither the energy flows.
		The God and Goddess state that all acts of love and joy are my rituals.
		She doesn't define it or restrict it in any other way.
unidentified		But how do we relate this to our personal practice?
unidentified		I mean, how do we since everything is so male and female oriented, you know, and as far as the union of the goddess and the goddess?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that you do have problems with is the female energy is the formulative energy.
		It is the constructive energy.
		It is needed to build a strong circle for more than just a solitary.
		Say you are bringing other people in.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, does that mean to be a solitary all your life?
		Do what now?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Does it mean you're doomed to be a solitary?
unidentified		No, does it mean that like, you know, I how do I rel what I'm trying to find out is how do I mean do I have to relate that energy in ritual and my concepts of the world like sexually?
unidentified		Because I mean I've had people so much as tell me that there's something wrong with homosexuality, you just can't have the balance of energy between the two.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It is much more difficult.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I have seen it done.
unidentified		Imagine anything but still enough to do this thing.
unidentified		One way you can learn to incorporate that?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to start working with a group and you're going to have to find a committed partner.
		That's going to be the easiest way for you to do it.
		If you've got any specific questions, give me a private message at my PIO address.
		That's PIO at COG.org and I will get back to you, okay?
		Okay.
		But give me a few days because I'm not real fast on my email at times.
		Oh, that's fine.
		Okay.
unidentified		Thanks for the call.
unidentified		This is Hillary Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Columbia, Ohio.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and your first name.
unidentified		Jim.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jim.
unidentified		Okay, I have a question for the Amber.
		Yeah.
		There was a movie that came out a few years ago called The Craft, and I was wondering if she was familiar with it for one.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it, yes.
unidentified		You have?
		Yes.
		Okay, my second question.
		What's that?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		The correct one.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		With the four girl high school girls.
		Okay, my question was, do you think that that may have anything to do with the boost in the young females that find witchcraft intriguing?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I think it's a question of which is first, the horse or the cart.
		It's there because there's a calling for it.
		It's popular.
		And it is showing young women that they can control power.
		The thing, about the only thing that I really thought was positive in that is finding out that you've got to take responsibility for that power.
		Otherwise it will massively bat power upon you.
		But I really think it's equal to question there.
unidentified		Okay.
		Hey, John.
		Thank you very much, and I appreciate the job you're doing, Huey.
		Of all the substitutes that I've heard in the last few months, I honestly do think you do about the best job.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You have excellent taste, sir.
		That's all I can say to you.
		Thank you for the call.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		This is Hillary Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Hey, I'm calling from White Center, USA.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I didn't think I was going to get through.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, man, you did.
unidentified		Oh, right on.
		No.
		Bye.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It always takes one, you know?
unidentified		Somebody who doesn't get the message.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Julie Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Saudi Daisy, Tennessee.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to speak right up.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		Tommy.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Tommy, go ahead, Tommy.
unidentified		Okay, I'm a young male.
		I'm what you call a seeker.
		I'm from the I have an independent religion.
		It's formed from beliefs of Shinto, Zen Buddhism, and the Wicca.
		And for one, I'd like to know the name of that one book you mentioned about Margot Adler.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Drawing Down the Moon.
unidentified		What was that?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Drawing Down the Moon.
unidentified		Okay.
		And I'm also having some problems meditating.
		I've tried that before and I can't concentrate or clean my mind.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything I can do about that?
		One of the hardest things for most people to learn to do is to meditate because they're so afraid of the word.
		Have you ever gotten so involved in a book that you did not hear someone come in the room or someone call you until they've called you a second or third time?
unidentified		Yes.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You were meditating.
		Ah, I see.
		Meditation is focused concentration on a subject.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good luck.
unidentified		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Hillary Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Cleveland.
		Yeah, what's your first name?
		Robert.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Robert, go right ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, and I'd like to say, is that a lot like voodoo?
		What you do?
		I mean, the religion you preach and practice.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, it is not.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Because it is a pagan religion.
unidentified		Oh, it's a pagan religion?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It is a pagan religion.
		Some people do classify it voodoo that way, the majority.
		Voodoo is actually a blend of the African religions and Catholicism.
		It is a blood religion.
		No, I'd like to say to not allow it to be a ritual.
unidentified		I'd like to say something about getting abducted.
		I think I may have been abducted one time when I was a little kid because I woke up and uh what has that to do with Wiccans?
		I'm just saying that I was.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We're doing a program on that specific topic next Monday, Tuesday.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So you called back then and it was.
unidentified		I was watching Jeopardy.
		Okay, bye.
		I went to sleep.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		Is it that time of morning or what's going on here?
		Yeah, Amber, I'd like to, in the final hour of the program, I'd like to give the guests an opportunity to speak on topics that may not have been asked, to bring up areas that perhaps you would like to talk about, unless you think we have exhausted the subject at this point.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think we've exhausted the subject.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I'm just giving you these few minutes to think it through, and then we will continue and finalize our conversations in the next hour.
		But this is the time we won't, I mean, I will take calls, but not to start with, but just give you the opportunity to raise issues that perhaps we haven't touched on.
		It's such a large subject.
		There's no way that I can, you know, not being a worker myself, that I know what to bring up.
		So if you'll think about that, and we'll get to it right after the break.
unidentified		All right, thank you.
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unidentified		Learned a lot about Wicas tonight, I'll tell you.
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unidentified		That's about it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We will get back to our guest, Amber, in just a moment.
unidentified		I'm a bitch.
		I'm a lover.
		I'm a lover.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		The Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky is our guest, High Priestess, Grove of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
		And how are you holding up there, Amber?
		All right?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm holding up there, fine, thank you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I just wondered if maybe you were making yourself a little witch's brew there and keeping yourself awake.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sitting over here slugging down Pepsi.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't sound much like a witch to me.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		What does a witch sound like?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, it should be a witch's brew of things, that's all.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, this is the thing.
		Most people have this problem.
		What does a witch look like, sound like, act like?
		And they come up with the Hollywood witch.
		They don't realize that a witch looks like, sounds like, eats like your next-door neighbor.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was Shakespeare.
unidentified		What was it?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Double, double, boil, and trouble.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Fireburn and cauldron bubble.
		Split up a penitent in the cauldron.
		Oh, but now I've forgotten it.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that goes back even further than Hollywood.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, heavens, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		And we have legends of witches.
		Now, remember, histories are written by the winners back through recorded history.
		However, the witch gets dabilized.
		Number one, she wasn't a Christian.
		Number two, she was a she, which was not the most popular gender for the Christians.
		So the witch got turned into an evil character, a person who would show you the future and make sure you died with it.
		A lot of witches are diviners.
		They do see.
		It isn't nearly as clear in most cases as some people would make you think, but everybody's got the talent.
		That's why we don't need to proselytize.
		We don't need to go seeking converts.
		We, to be kind of picky, I guess, we don't want everybody.
		When I do a seeker class, it is a 13-week class.
		It is designed to allow the seeker to look us over and us to look the seeker over.
		And every seeker does not come into a grove or a coven.
		These are some of the things I wanted to make sure people understood.
		We're not out there to seduce your daughters.
		We're not out there to try to pull your sons away from you.
unidentified		We do not use blood rights.
unidentified		We do not spill blood.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		We practice responsibility and try very hard to practice tolerance.
		The international organization that I am a member of, Covenant of the Goddess, was founded to try to pull together a bit of this diverse group we have because we are awfully independent we are.
		It has held together now for almost 25 years.
		That's remarkable.
		We do not want to lose what we have gained, but we are not going back in the broom closet.
		I have seen absolutely phenomenal support developing with this Fort Hood slash Bob Barr fiasco.
		We're actually having people ask us for interviews outside of Halloween at the miracle.
		What we want people to understand about us is we're your neighbor.
		We're not out to harm.
		We don't hurt animals.
		Heaven, if we hurt animals, I wouldn't have eight of them roaming around my house now, insisting it's theirs and not mine.
		And we are as different as two snowflakes.
		You heard a lot of the questions weren't from Christians.
		I think only one Christian called in so far.
		But were from other of the pagan and the New Age movements.
		Because we are very defensive of our traditions and of our crafts.
		We've had to fight a long time just to be able to say goddess in public and not be looked at strangely or not fear for your job.
		I have lost, personally, at least two jobs because of my religion.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Amber, I've heard you use this word a few times tonight about being a pagan religion.
		Now, my understanding of a pagan religion is one where people worship idols.
		Am I wrong about that?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, start me out.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		What pagan actually means is of the countryside, the local yokel.
		It is someone who actually believes in the divinity of life in its various forms, just as the Wiccan do.
		It may take multiple paths.
		It can go through shamanic paths, animistic paths, which is actually working with your animal spirits, working with omens, totems, etc.
		The pagans name is like a giant umbrella, as Christianity would be to the faith that has been followed for the past approximately 2,000 years.
		Wicca is a portion, a rather large portion, I don't know if we're the Catholic Church or one of the Protestant sects, I don't have a headcount, of the pagan religion.
		Asatru is another part of the pagan religion.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, what was that word?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Asatru.
		That was the gentleman who called in earlier.
		The Druids are a part of the pagan religion.
		We are growing at a quite rapid rate within the pagan path.
		I can't say just the Wiccan.
		I, again, do not have those specific numbers.
		I do know that it has now been reported that in both the United States and in England, this is the fastest growing religion in the world.
		I think it's because it gives people a little bit of hope because it puts the weight back to them and their ability to control their own future, their responsibility for their own future and their own lives.
		They're not just at the wind of fate.
		They're not sheep waiting to be sheared.
		They're actually looking up and saying, there's more of a world out there than I thought of.
		Let me look.
		And we're seeing a lot of that in the upcoming generation, male and female.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's move along, take some calls here.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from Grass Valley, California.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Your first name?
unidentified		My name is Dan.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dan, go ahead.
unidentified		Yes.
		Excuse me, I'm going to move to the other side of the room here.
		Okay, I have a couple of questions here.
		I'm blind.
		And I was wondering, have you worked with very many blind people at the Wicca?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		But I think it would be possible because we do quite a bit of gesticulation.
unidentified		I absolutely agree with you.
		I'd like, if I may, to bring up a couple of things here.
		As I'm sure you understand, when the Wicca is practiced properly, that there can be a wonderful amount of often subtle but very positive residual effects from working with the Wicca.
		So I urge those out there, let me give you an example, blind people often have a fear of fire when you can learn, besides just cooking on the barbecue, when you can learn to move the flame in a clockwise or a counterclockwise fashion and within rhythmic fashions with your mind, where you it basically is a form of therapy there.
		Also for musicians, without the Wicca, my music wouldn't be nearly what it is.
		Also, when done properly, you can be out in the middle of a shopping mall and do energy work.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		And most people won't even know.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Also, I'd like to give a term, if I may.
		Pattern smithing.
		A patternsmith is one who crafts with patterns.
		Especially for a blind person, that means crafting with patterns even when the physical has been moved or displaced or distorted or even when the physical may not be there.
		You follow what I'm saying, Matt?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
		May I use your suggestion?
		Yes.
		Okay.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I'm going to let you go.
		I just wanted to let you know that in so many ways people think of me more as an energy worker than a witch.
		I do want to mention one thing.
		If it wouldn't have been for a pact with nature so that I would keep myself from, let's say, accidentally stepping on insects or being in the territory of snakes and these kinds of things, once I made that pact with nature, for example, I was able to go down to like Kerrville Music Festival in 91, and I was able to go through the gullies down there.
		People all around me were getting bit by scorpions and were getting bit by fire ants and were stepping on thorns.
		And ever since I did that many, many years ago, nature has aided me because those creatures and those plants, they don't want to hurt me.
		Right.
		And so I made that pact.
		And ever since I've done that, I could talk with hours about those kinds of things.
		So I'll let you go.
		And I'm what you call a solitary that has to often tie in to other people as if we are together.
		You see what I mean?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you so much.
unidentified		Take care, Hilly.
		By the way, may I give you something I want you to meditate on, ma'am, and you'll understand.
		This is T-R-A-M-P-E-N-E.
		And break that down into suffixes and prefixes.
		And you'll see that T-R-A-M-P-E-N-E are both suffixes and prefixes.
		Something will be disclosed in the next two years where the WICA will be given credit for its creation.
		It sits in my living room.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dan.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Miss Here.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Have a good day.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		St. Louis.
unidentified		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		Michael.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Michael, go ahead.
unidentified		How you doing?
unidentified		You know, I've tried to get on this show probably about three years.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, by golly, this is your night.
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		I wanted to talk to Amber because I used to follow the left-handed path, if you're familiar with that.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		If you're using it in the terminology that most people do, yes.
unidentified		I had a problem that I used to cast some spells of what they call maleficium, I guess from a proper term from the way I learned it.
		I wanted to know if there is any problems with any of that stuff coming back on me.
		I've changed my ways.
		I've decided to use my powers for good and to do the right things.
		I'm more of a Christian mystic now than I was actually a sorcerer at the time.
		But some of the spells that I used actually did it to control someone else who I considered evil.
		Now, will any of that stuff come back on me, or can it?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Anything that you have to do in my karmic field can come back to anything that you do in a karmic field can come back on you.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it can make your there is a retribution there.
unidentified		So is there a specific thing I have to do to get the curse, I guess, that some people would say lifted?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, dear, you're you're not cursed.
		There's no way it can be lifted.
		You have done a certain amount of negative things to others.
		You have harmed a certain amount of entities.
		You will need to repay that harm.
		It may come out in your continuing to do good and to work to correct the balance.
		You say now that you no longer try to work malevolent spells, is that right?
unidentified		You know, I won't do it again because, see, I learned a lot through that, that, you know, I've had a spirit guide who came to me who instructed me what I was doing right and wrong.
		And at the time, I was all messed up.
		I was getting a divorce and some things happened.
		And I thought that I was going out of my mind.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like that you are beginning to find your past, dear.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Working with anyone.
unidentified		I really hope so.
		I just wanted to talk to you about it because a lot of people couldn't give me answers because I felt pretty bad about it.
		I mean, traditionally I've asked for forgiveness from God and then that, and I don't want to hopefully before you can forgive anybody else, or anyone else can forgive you.
		Okay?
		I'm learning to do that, okay?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for anyone.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Michael, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, Michael.
unidentified		Sounds like you do a lot of counseling.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		I am a I was a nurse for 30 some odd years.
		And so two companies whom I shall not give a name for decided they did not want a wit in their offices.
		And I now work as a psyche counselor and a tarot reader in the oldest metaphysical bookstore in Atlanta, Georgia.
		And that's the stakes.
		and I have the card as a to understand where the person is and to get them to open up and understand what the problem really is.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		So really then, you are more than a priestess.
		You are a counselor.
		Friend?
		Lover?
		All those things.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Mother?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Mother?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Sister.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You are universal.
unidentified		Thanks for all right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We'll take a break here and wrap up our final half hour coming up very shortly as we continue our discussion about the Wiccans, their place in the world, what they believe.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Sitting in for Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM, I am Willie Rose.
unidentified		On the day of life, I've made everything that is the light.
		Art Bell, I've made everything that is the light.
		When you walk on, I turn it on.
		Turn it on, when you're coming home, I can't go on.
		Today, I need to burn it on the night.
		I got something wrong.
		You go to the wall, so right.
		Thank you.
		Right, like it's gonna set my soul.
		Set my soul on fire.
		Got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn.
		Oh, get on stage on fire.
		There's a fountain where you nothing.
		They're all living in the devil make it.
		I'm just a devil.
		People.
		People.
		Oh, I wish that there were more.
		24 hours of day.
		People live there were 40 and more.
		I want to sleep a minute away.
		Oh, the black jacket over and loose.
		A fortune more than lost going.
		To talk with Hilly Rhodes on coast to coast a.m. from west of the Rockies by 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		Now, filling in for Heartbell.
		Hilly Rhodes.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And I should probably tell you that all of the programs that you hear in the Art Bell Show are available to you.
		You can order them at this number, 1-800, recall, 1-800-917-4278.
		And there are a lot of times I hear things I'd like to hear over again and keep them over and over and over again because it's information you just don't get anywhere else.
		So that number again is 1-800-917-4278.
unidentified		We will complete our calls.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		We'll take a lot of calls and complete our conversations with Hambert in just a moment.
unidentified		Pretty woman, walking down the street, pretty woman, the kind I like to meet, pretty woman.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, high priestess, rove of the winged scarab, covenant of the goddess.
		Would you take just a couple of moments, Amber, and tell me a little something about the rituals?
		Now, you know, it's sort of like saying what do Jews do in the synagogue and what do Catholics do in the churches, and that's not an easy question to answer, and I realize that.
		But what occurred?
		I mean, you have this knife that you use in your rituals.
		You dance around a bonfire.
		And these are my understandings, and so I'm asking you to sort of describe for me, because it's different than what most of us think of going into a place of worship.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Let me walk you through it, then.
unidentified		Okay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		When you get ready to do a circle, first of all, it's the responsibility of the priest and priestess to make sure the space is clear.
		That means of things that you could step on physically and injure your feet and of any negative energies.
		Okay, then you set up your altar.
		It's usually set in the north, at least within my tradition.
		Then you bring in any other initiate, any others that have been elevated into the priesthood, and that's what initiation is technically within the Wicca.
		It's the beginning into the priesthood.
		At that point, you anoint them with oil.
		This is to confer a blessing upon them and to help to open their third eyes that they may see.
		Then it's the priestess' job, usually, to build the circle.
		We build the circle with the psychic energy form of the five elements, earth, water, air, fire, and spirit.
		We build with salt representing earth as a physical representation that we can see with our eyes and can feel with our hands.
unidentified		We use water next.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Then we go to air.
		The water is in our chalice and the air is in our incense.
		And now the biggie.
		Oh, I'm sorry, not yet.
		We get to do the fire.
		That's the candle.
		Then you get the biggie.
		This is where we use the knife.
		The knife is a tool of spirit.
		It is a tool of the practitioner's will, determination.
		You use that tool to psychically blend together the other four elements in order to make an impervious sphere, a ball, a giant ball that goes over the top of us and under the earth around us on a psychic level.
		You then cut, again, on the psychic level, using your knife, a doorway to let those who have not been initiated within the sacred temple, because you've now built your church.
		As they come in, you ask them the words to the circle.
		How do you come?
		The answer is spread it everywhere that you read about the witches.
		I come in perfect love and in perfect trust.
		That means that you trust everyone in that area to be there for their best, good, and the highest reasons.
		You then call in the ancient, well you shut the door next.
		Then you call in the ancient and mighty ones.
		These are equivalent to the archangels within the Christian pantheon.
		The totemic animals of the quarters.
		These are the guardians, the watchers of the various elements, earth, air, fire, and water.
		Once they are there, you all do a mutual chant, each person making eye contact, so that you build the web stronger and tighter.
		Very similar to the way that you do a Christian service, and you start out by singing, because this too brings everyone closer together.
		They feel more of a commonality as their voices rise together.
		And it's amazing the difference in the feel of the area after you've had this action go on.
		Once we have what we call charge the circle, that's getting everybody rope snug together, the priestess goes to the altar and she invites the goddess to come down and join the celebration.
		And her candle is lit, which has been previously charged for her.
		We call the goddess first because she is the form.
		She is the structure of all life and all being.
		So we have to have a place for the god energy to go.
		So you've got to make the cup before you pour out the Petsy.
		When the goddess has been invoked into the priestess, she is expected to be able to speak with the voice of the goddess.
		This happens to a greater or lesser degree depending on the condition of the priestess, the age of the priestess, the training of the priestess, and her sincere desire.
		Then the priest does the same thing with the God candle, invoking the God form again into himself so that he could speak with this voice.
		And again, the results are varying depending on the talent and strength and determination of the priest.
		You then have what people would call the sermon.
		We either do meditations, we may do healings, we may do protective amulets, we may do prosperity workings.
		This is where we put what we call the body of the ritual.
		After that, we have communion.
		We call it Thanksgiving, celebration of cakes and wine.
		The priest holds up the cakes, and he gives Thanks for the God, the God of the grain that gave His body and His form in order that we might survive as we ate His flesh and form.
		Might He go with us and be constantly with us through the coming cycle.
		Then He turns to the priestess and gives her a bite of cake and with our last tradition at least, the blessing of May You Never Hunger.
		He then turns and starts the plate of cakes to his right, going around the circle.
		The priestess then picks up the chalice and blesses it and calls down the essence of the great goddess within the wine, expressing it as her blood of life, her wine, her love, her joy that we want to partake of and carry with us through the coming cycle.
		She gives the sip to the priest with the blessing of May You Never Thirst.
		At this point, in some rituals and in some groups, they do what is known as the Great Rite.
		This is a symbolic act of sexual communion between the two parties.
		It's done, here we go back with the big knife again.
		The priestess holds the chalice of wine.
		The priest takes his Athenae, and they slowly bring them together.
		As the priest says, as the Athenae is to the male, the priestess says, so the chalice is to the female.
		And then they both finish.
		With joined togetherness, they bring joy, love, and happiness.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing how many similarities there are to the events that occur within the Christian religion, the Jewish religion, and so forth.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
		If people would bother to ask, they'd be very surprised.
		Then we sing, giggle a little bit, and then we say goodnight.
		We say goodbye to the Lord first.
		We tell him we give thanks for being there with us, that we've enjoyed his presence, and if he needs to leave, he may.
		We are not presumptuous enough to think that we could dismiss a God.
		Then the priestess says goodnight to the goddess.
		Then you say goodnight to the four watchers, and the circle is open.
unidentified		And everybody gives a hug and a kiss of peace.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		And that's the end of the service.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Let me try it.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You got it, yeah.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That's the important part.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		You're basted up to here.
unidentified		Okay.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		All right.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Let me try and get a couple of calls in here before we have to end.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Yes, Ellis.
		This is Paula from Hawaii.
		Yes.
		Honolulu.
		Aloha.
		Anyway, I wanted to ask you, do you at the Wiccan practice Enochian magic?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		My elder, who has just passed about two months ago, was an acknowledged adept at Enochian.
		However, my brain is only so big.
		I'm having a hard time cramming all I'm having to do right now into it.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		And also I want to ask him, do you think that the RUAC is part of the soul that corresponds to the ethical powers to distinguish between good and evil?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I really can't give you an answer on that, dear.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Okay.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Paula, thank you.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Good job.
unidentified		Hello.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Hillary Rose.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Yes, from Houston.
unidentified		This is Karen.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Karen.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Just speak right into your phone, please.
unidentified		Okay, I will.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Sounds better.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Hi, Hellie.
		Hi, Amber.
		I've got a question for you.
		When I picture children sitting under a tree, wiggling their toes in the dirt just anywhere in the world, as a child, you know, we tend to relate to Mother Nature, to everything around us, and we have a great sense of the all, even as little people.
		So I, you know, like when a child looks at a blossom that's a bud and it opens up before their very eyes just for them to look at, when these special things occur to a child, you learn that, well, there's no religion attached to this, no specific belief, no ritual, no taboos.
		And if you can keep this in your life, all your life, isn't that something that you would consider a wonderful thing?
		So there are a lot of us who do not understand the ritual side or the vain repetition and all the other things that are like baggage that we never had to have before.
		So we get frustrated in this place that we're in.
		You know what I'm saying?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but we're also human and that's why we are stuck with the baggage.
		This is the learner planet.
		We're supposed to pick our lessons up.
		And the ritual is not truly, truly necessary.
		Like I've been said a couple of times tonight, you can learn magic walking down the middle of a mall.
		You have to have the childlike ability to know and be certain that it will happen.
		And the joy and delight of the little things, the natural things, the stuff we're given for free.
unidentified		That's what I'm talking about.
		More of it is free to us than comes with a price tag, I believe, of any kind.
		Does that make sense?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, unfortunately.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		And the price tag can be your honor at times.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Karen, thank you much.
		This is Hilly Rose.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Calling from Evansville, Indiana.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Your first name?
unidentified		My name is Burl.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and we've got about a minute here, so go right ahead.
unidentified		Okay, what I want to know is, does she believe that Jesus Christ ever existed?
unidentified		And if he did, who was he and what was he?
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		That's a heck of a question to answer in about a minute.
unidentified		I've been traveling between here and Lil all night and I just I heard the question.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do believe he existed.
		Yes, I do believe he was a great prophet, a great leader, and he was an avatar.
		I think he gave a very good message.
		It's a shame it wasn't printed.
		What is planted now is basically all of them.
		Go back and read some of the articles that are now being taken out of the Aramaic, which is actually the language that he spoke and wrote in, and also look at some of the datings on what is now being called the Gospels.
		Yes, he existed.
		He most definitely existed, and he was a strong and a potent force.
unidentified		Do you believe he was the Son of God?
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I believe I'm the daughter of God, too.
		Okay.
		He was the Son of God, my dear.
unidentified		Well, thank you very much.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Okay, girl.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that's as good a way to end as any.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I tried to wrap it up fast, Argyll.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		You did a very good job there.
		You did a very good job all night.
		Thank you very much.
		I can't say I learned more about Wiccans than I ever wanted to know.
		Actually, I'm interested in learning even more.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		I'm hoping you will call me again.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		This was the most fun I've had in a long time, and I am very, very happily surprised at the tolerance I've heard with your callers.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Because this is an audience that has an open mind.
		It's an audience that has been, I don't want to say conditioned, that's a poor way of putting it, but it's an audience that night after night after night looks at something beyond the box, beyond what we have been taught traditionally.
		And so that's why I think you'll find this tolerance.
		Hey, thank you very, very much for sharing this time with us, and blessings upon you.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Blessed be, and may the Lord and Lady walk with you.
lady amber maeve ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
hilly rose ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		That's the Reverend Lady Amber May, pardon me, Shymansky.
		And we are wrapped up for this program.
		Art Bell will be back with you tomorrow.
		I'll be back with you on Sunday for Dreamland on Monday doing a show on whether, how do you know whether or not you have been abducted?
		That should make you think.

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