Hilly Rose and Lady Amber Maeve, High Priestess of the Covenant of the Goddess, debunk Wicca’s demonization—clarifying it’s a gender-neutral, nature-based religion empowering women through self-reliance. She rejects satanic claims, explains rituals (e.g., "Great Rite," Thanksgiving cakes/wine), and critiques misprints like the Church of Satan in U.S. Army chaplain handbooks. Wicca’s growth among teens stems from its rejection of patriarchal norms, not Hollywood myths like The Craft. Early practices were underground reconstructions of pagan traditions, not literal worship of "tribal gods." Misconceptions about harm or blood rituals are dismissed; ethics center on personal responsibility and karmic balance. [Automatically generated summary]
And, you know, the head guy from NATO, the head military guy, and the British guy, it looks like Gracula, he's saying, well, the Russians are occupying the air base at Kosovo, which was going to be my headquarters, but hey, big deal.
You know, there's lots of Kosovo to set up headquarters in.
So let's not push it here.
In the meantime, the Russians are doing exactly what they want, which is what the Russians have always done, friends.
So what else is new?
Okay, so the Russians are in Kosovo.
Do you think the Chinese will come into Kosovo anytime soon?
Got a brigade of Chinese in there.
And just tonight, South Korea took off after North Korea shot down, I think it was one of their boats, because I didn't get the whole story, but the North Koreans were there fishing.
They're starving to death in North Korea.
So they came into a fishing field that South Korea says is theirs.
So of course, you don't send them a centaphor and say, get the hell out of here.
You'd sink their boat.
I mean, that's the way things are done, right?
Anyway, Iraq, haven't heard from Iraq lately.
There's not enough room on the front pages for Iraq.
And now we've got three kids in Sacramento who were caught before they bombed the school.
We're going to be talking with Lady Amber Maeve of the Covenant of the Goddess, who are the Wiccans.
Big controversy.
The Army now allows the Wiccans to practice witchcraft ceremonies in about six or seven different Army bases.
And Congressman Bob Bell saying, uh-oh, what happens next?
Satan devil worshipers are going to come there.
But we are mainly going to focus on the Wiccans tonight and who they are.
Pardon me.
And I shouldn't drink water while I'm talking to you.
And what is it that they're all about?
I remember way back in October, was it only in October, friends, when Ark took his very quick hiatus and I filled in.
And on my very first night, I said something about Wiccans and said I didn't know much about it.
And man, all kinds of people called in.
So I thought, hey, it's time now to do a show about the Wiccans and see what this is all about.
Coming up the next hour.
I talked to Joyce Riley today about what went on at 29 Palms.
You remember we had a show about that last Monday.
And this is where a number of corporals, I believe they're all corporals, five of them, are going to be courts-martialed because they're refusing to take the anthrax vaccine, but not quite.
The way they're phrasing it is that the failure to follow a lawful order, that's the way it's phrased, and that's what they're going to go on courts-martial for at the 29 Columns Marine Base in the desert in California.
And I talked anyway, I talked to Joyce Riley today, and she said that the judge did rule.
I know this is going to shock you.
I know you're just saying, oh my goodness, the judge who was going to rule on a bunch of discovery motions was going to rule on the lawfulness of the Secretary of Defense's order to give everybody an anthrax vaccine, whether they want it or not.
Just, hey, we don't know if it works.
We know it could be harmful, but hey, don't worry about it.
Just give every one of them suckers.
But I don't plan to take it, of course.
You know, it's not anything I plan to do.
Anyway, the judge did rule on Thursday at 29 Palms, and I know you're just going to be shocked, just shocked.
Pick up the usual suspects, friends.
Shocked to find out that the judge ruled that it was a lawful order given by the Secretary of Defense, and therefore we'll just go ahead and court-martial these five suckers back with them.
Joyce says that they have about 300 signs out there of 29 pounds.
They're about to put them up during the courts-martial, and they've taken full-page ads in the Penny Saver paper out there.
And I said to Joyce, you know, you can do this, but it is clear from the absolute callous way that we were treated by the Marine Corps last week that they don't give a darn.
And what do you expect?
If the Secretary of Defense says, all right, everybody now, line up here and we're going to shoot your ass.
What do you think is going to happen?
You think the general is going to say, no, no, no, it's an unlawful order.
So I have suggested to Joyce that maybe what we really need to do is to mob a campaign to Secretary Cohn, the Secretary of Defense, telling him exactly how we Americans feel about this.
And that probably will do more.
But, you know, Joyce is going to have these signs up there, have 29 palms, and do whatever it is that she's going to do.
And so I'm just bringing you up to date here.
This is open line in this portion of the program.
I can do whatever I want, can't I?
Art does.
Why can't I do it?
I can sit here and tell you what I had for lunch today, if that's what you want to know.
I can only tell you I had lunch at a very elegant place here in Medford, Oregon.
They have a sign that says, we do it your way.
That's all I know about it.
You want it with the onions without the onions, you know.
I usually take it without the mayonnaise.
People think I'm crazy, but that's where all the fat is.
Did you know that?
That's where all the fat is in those sandwiches, is in the mayonnaise.
It tastes just as good.
You use the secret sauce and the onions and all the rest of it.
Just get off of the mayonnaise.
All right, I have been asked, this is an honor now, and I come on, give me a break here.
I'm going to toot my own horn because ain't nobody else tooting it around here.
I'm going to toot my own horn.
I am going to be on a program this coming Saturday night, which is number one program.
Let's see if I have this information here.
I know it's here somewhere.
Anyway, it's coming out of radio station CKTB.
I don't know where that is.
It's in Canada somewhere.
And this is the number one program in Canada, oh, it's in St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada.
It's called the Ex-Zone Radio Show.
And they do what we do here.
They investigate the world of the paranormal and the science of parapsychology.
He claims to be number one in Canada, New York, Pennsylvania.
I don't have it in front of me, but that's apparently what it is.
Anyway, I will be on.
Rob McConnell is the host, and I will be on this coming Saturday night.
You can find out what's the truth about Hillary Rose.
What is he hiding?
Why doesn't he tell us about himself?
Well, there's the big opportunity, friends.
Rob has kindly invited me on the program.
His show precedes, I believe, the Art Bell program in that area of the eastern United States and Canada.
So I'll be on starting at 11.45 p.m. Eastern Time this coming Saturday night.
As though you don't get enough of me right here on the Art Bell Show, right?
That's farther than the nearest McDonald's, I'll tell you that.
The radio waves emitted by radio galaxies I thought to be powered by beams of extremely hot gas coming from, well I get that after McDonald's, hot gas coming from supermassive black holes buried at their cores.
The nearest and first known radio galaxy, Cygnus A, was discovered nearly 50 years ago.
This newly discovered radio galaxy is 200 times more distant, 30 times more luminous, and was burned when the universe was still very young.
And that was a long time ago.
So, strange things are happening out there.
I know you've been hearing the shows that I've been doing about various things.
We did Emmanuel Velikovsky, what he had to say on Dreamland yesterday.
And then we did another one with the head of the parade, Science Literary Parade Magazine.
And we've been looking a lot into the skies.
And you know what it all comes down to, friends?
They ain't got a clue.
They don't know what's going on out there.
They don't know any more than the ancients did.
And the ancients probably knew more than they did.
And they do, with all of their great telescopes.
The Sumerians 6,000 years ago had a pretty good idea of what was up there in the sky.
They talked about planets that we didn't discover until quite recently, within this century.
So don't tell me about how we can't do space travel.
What, with our very primitive technology, we can't do space travel.
We can't go to the far places of the universe.
We haven't begun to research what the possibilities are of going to, what is the name of this thing?
It's TNJ0924-2201.
We could go to TNJ0924-2201, and I bet we will at some time.
11 billion light years from Earth.
That is incredible.
Just incredible.
All right, what else do I want to tell you?
I want to tell you a week from tonight, a week from tonight, I will be back, and I will be talking to a woman who is a psychotherapist and runs groups for people who have been abducted by aliens.
Her name is Constance Clear, a psychotherapist.
She will tell us about a number of cases.
She will tell you how you will know whether you have been abducted.
You may have been abducted and you haven't a clue.
You just know something is strange.
She'll tell you what you should be looking for.
That's a week from tonight, and of course I'll be on Greenland again this coming Sunday.
I think if I remember who it is, it's on.
Oh yeah, we're going to talk about the Urantia book.
You know about the Urantia book?
Ooh.
This is something that is out there and people have been paying a lot of attention.
But it turns out that Adam and Eve were real.
And evolution really happened, according to the Urania book, anyway.
And what else?
The Garden of Eden and Atlantis were one and the same.
Did you know that?
And this also, the guy who has written this book, not the Urania book, but the book he's written, is Kelly Elsworth.
And he is very much like that guy I had on, oh, back in October.
And he verifies many of the things that Glenn Kimball says about Jesus and who Jesus was and all kinds of good stuff.
So I got a lot of great, I can't wait to do them.
I can't wait to come back and do them.
Art Bill will be here tomorrow night on Wednesday and Thursday, right?
And I can't wait to come back and do all these wonderful programs and talk to these guests and what have you.
Well, what have you right now is open line.
We've given you the numbers.
I just need to tell you, oh, I have a new email.
A new email, friends.
And pardon?
Do I want the numbers again?
No, my lines are jammed.
I don't want the numbers again.
Every line is lit.
Yes, I have a new email.
That's very important to tell you that.
A lot of people just didn't understand what I was saying when I said it's hrose at Primrod.com.
They would misspell it.
It was a mess.
My name is spelled H-I-L-L-Y.
Some people think it's an I, but it's H-I-L-L-Y.
So my new email address is hilly at hillyroose.com.
How much more simple can that be?
Hilly at Hillerose.com.
Now that's courtesy through Keith Rowland, who maintains a fantastic Artville webpage.
And I want to thank him so very much because it's working.
I've gotten it since yesterday when I announced it, and it's just fine.
I get all this email.
Again, folks, I can't, I'm sorry, I cannot respond to it, but I can certainly read it and get a sense.
And this is very helpful to me.
You get a sense of what you like and don't like.
So please do send me your email at Hilly at Hillerose.com.
All right, Hilly, get off the air here, and let's see what people want to talk about.
We'll do that right up through the top of the hour, and then we'll go to the Wiccans and find out about witchcraft and what the Army is doing about it and so much more.
Or maybe the airplanes have, quote, cleaned up their act and somebody spotted them.
$2,500, and I'm sure they would prosecute to get that money back.
The direct answer to your question is no, they never found out where it was.
It was an amazing story because it wasn't simple.
You couldn't load eight houses with human feces just from a little spray hose.
And that's basically what happened here.
So yeah, it stopped, and they would just love to prosecute whoever did it because the cleanup costs were horrendous.
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Oh, sure.
And one last thing.
I know you were talking about Joyce Riley, and she was the individual, I take it, that is doing the investigation in the military about the anthrax vaccine.
And I'm really glad that somebody is adamantly researching this because, you know, the human guinea pig factor with our military people in my mind has been going on far too long.
And I know she had mentioned on I didn't hear the last show she was on, but the show before that I did, and the fact that, you know, basically they're not making them take the vaccine, but their careers are ruined, of course, if they don't.
I thought I want to give you two theories that I have.
Well, one of them is a theory of my friends.
My theory is that about aliens, what they are, and all the alien spacecraft and everything, and actually there's probably that stuff out in Nevada, too, is that I think it's just our U.S. government building these spaceships, and it's just our U.S. government people in costumes or spaceships or whatever doing it all, and they have an excuse to do whatever experiments and everything and just say it's aliens, or actually not say it's aliens, but cover it up and...
Well, no, just anything with people being abducted from their homes, and they could have some kind of license to do anything they want to do under the guise of the alien city.
And well, my friend's theory is that because we're talking about aliens and stuff, because I'm trying to work on the show, because I listen to it all the time.
I deliver pizzas, and I listen to it late at night.
But his theory is that aliens are evolved humans in the future, and they're time travelers coming back in time.
Name is Joan, and I'd like to say I'm very concerned about the Marines going in as peacekeepers to ladle soup, et cetera, in Kosovo, because I'm afraid they may not come out.
Or if they do come out, there may be major massacres among them.
And I think we're in a very, very dangerous situation.
I just wanted to say to you in response that your theories are just as valid as anybody else's.
What we're doing there is a deep mystery to me.
And certainly the President has not yet explained it as far as I'm concerned.
And I wouldn't worry about our military prowess because, after all, we have such fearless leaders as the President and Madeline Albright and so forth.
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Well, can I ask you a question along that line?
The question is: what do Madeline Albright, James Wolsey, the President, Alan Greenstein, Robert Rubin, and Colin Powell, and former Admiral William Crowe, and Casper Weinberger, and Robert McFarlane, and William Casey.
You're going to have to talk right into the phone, Ora, so everybody can hear you.
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Two things.
First of all, when you talk to those Wiccans fellas, if you're not aware of it, there's an organization, or at least there was, called a Free Earth Battalion in the United States Army.
Well, you know, I don't want to argue this now in this portion of the program, but I will say to you that there are something like seven different places, especially Fort Hood, where the Army has given the Wiccans free rein in terms of holding their practices.
And every one of the Army bases takes a different name.
In other words, the free, what did you say, free work battalion?
Yeah, well, that's at some base you know of, and then there are other bases that call it something else.
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May I mention one other thing?
Sure.
Talking about exotic books, about 30 years ago, or a little more, I started reading into what we'll call Underground Press, or what some people might refer to as a cult.
The first book I read was The Morning of the Magicians, also printed under Dawn of Magic.
Well, I don't know anything about actually that they've implemented it, but they have right here, in fact, the Emergency Powers Declaration that they're trying to put in.
Instead of saying everybody get together and try to help each other out and try to set up things where they go to your church or go someplace and be food and water supplies and things like that, they're just saying that they're going to basically be hired goons to go ahead and implement this thing because there's not going to be enough deputies or anything else to do.
I thought this was this thing that almost every city has where by the year 2000, 2001, so I think they'd call it 21, you have to cut down on your total gas emissions by 50%.
And it's so stringent that nobody could possibly live under it.
And therefore, if we don't, then they impose martial law.
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No, this is basically just splat-out emergency powers, period.
And I'm sure what would happen next, of course, is that they would go ahead and say, well, we're worried that it will happen.
So in December, we're implementing it as a precaution.
It'll be the next thing, you know.
And so it'll just go from there.
I also just wanted to ask real quickly, I just heard something on our little Medford news station here, something about Korea and that they've been having gunboat fights and stuff.
Yeah, what happened is that the North Koreans, who are getting desperate and therefore very dangerous, are fishing in waters that South Korea claims as theirs.
And as I pointed out earlier, these guys don't float around.
They don't just wave a flag and say, like we do.
Well, we'll give you three weeks to get out of there.
What they do is they just blow them out of the water, and that's what apparently happened here.
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Right.
Yeah, it says something about a submarine being caught up or something.
Well, we've got troops, so we've got the Navy, actually, over in Iraq.
And, you know, we're spread out All over the place, and one of these days one of these guys is going to say, hey, you know, they're really vulnerable, which, of course, we are.
And we've used up all of our ammunition in Kosovo, all of our stingers, and all of these various items that cost a million dollars a pop.
Well I'm just quickly trying to look at my pages here.
By the way, to the gentleman earlier who talked about the Free Earth Battalion at Fort Hood is called the Open Circle.
And let's see here.
I'll find it in a second.
I don't recall that there is anyone in that particular area short of Fort Hood.
Oh, here we go.
Fort Polk in Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, and Fort Barroncas in Florida.
So, and there's a high priestess that's just been approved in Germany, and another has applied for Kosovo.
So those are the only areas, and why would you think that a Wiccan, because these Wiccans, as I understand it, don't cast spells.
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Right.
Well, I mean, to be honest with you, I am a hardcore Southern Baptist, and this is a predominantly Southern Baptist area.
But like I was saying, this is the biggest amphibious base on the East Coast, if not in the whole country, that there would, I mean, the diversity of religion in this town is so diverse, I didn't know that if there was one here or not.
Okay, since you mentioned you were having a guest along the lines of Glenn Kimball, she also has a lot to say about Jesus.
She was a painter, and she was commissioned to do a portrait of Jesus, and he actually appeared to her during the course of the painting and also began to have conversations with her.
And she has since transcribed that into a book.
And I have heard her speak many times.
She's been in contact with Dr. Hal Puttoff, the University of Texas Physics Department.
We have a little bit of business left over in the last hour, and that is, I'm reading directly here from a news report, the South Korean military ships sank a North Korean torpedo boat and badly damaged a second during a 10-minute firefight in disputed waters off the west coast of the Korean Peninsula.
So I just wanted to set the record straight on that.
That is specifically what did occur.
And in this portion of the program, well, before I even do that, well, we're going to talk about the Wiccans, I'll tell you that.
I want to mention to you that I have a new email address, which is going to be a lot easier to remember.
It's Hilly with a Y, H-I-L-L-Y at HillyRose.com.
And I want to thank Keith Rowland to the Heart Bell newsletter for, not newsletter, I'm sorry, the Heartbell webpage.
I'm saying about the newsletter because there's a new one coming out.
But Keith Rowland runs that wonderful webpage of arts, which really brings you up to date on just about everything.
It has links to just about everything.
And I want to mention once again that I will be on the X Zone show, which emanates in Canada off of CKTB and dominates New York, Pennsylvania, and a lot of other places.
What's the Real Hilly Rose about?
Well, we'll find out.
I don't know whether I know myself.
Can't wait to hear what questions they're going to ask me.
The reason that it even held my attention is because of the controversy that has come up as the Army has approved the Fort Hood Open Circle as its first official Wiccan group.
That was two summers ago, by the way.
And Fort Hood has given them a grassy campsite for their sacred grounds, sanctioned their choice of high priestess, even lent them an Army chaplain for moral support.
This now has spread beyond Fort Hood.
It's now in Fort Polk, Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, Fort Barrancas in Florida.
A high priestess was just approved in Germany, and another has applied on the Kosovo mission.
If you don't know, I've got a couple of faxes here saying, oh, Brewer, hell, brewer, you know, we're going to talk about Wiccans.
Do you realize, well you wouldn't or you wouldn't say what you're saying, that there is a resurgence of interest in witchcraft, particularly amongst teenage girls.
In a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, the top 60 interests of teenage girls, witches are number one.
It's the fastest growing spiritual practice in the United States.
It should say something to you, friends.
It should say, if you don't know what the Wiccans are all about, you better.
With the interest today and what's going on with the youth of America, and if that's the fastest growing interest of teenage girls, well, I think we better spend some time on it and see what's going on.
By the way, men make up about 30% of the membership, so it's not just girls.
Lots to learn tonight that there are some 50,000 Wiccans across America.
That's a lot.
That's a lot.
It's a sub-religion, according to the military, along with the Jews and the Muhammad.
That's not the word I was looking for, the Muslims.
So there's a lot to be learned, and a lot's going on right under your nose that you may not know anything about.
Before the evening is over, you may want to become a witch yourself, or you may not want to become a witch.
Witch is your choice.
So we will be talking in just a moment to the Reverend or Lady Amber Maeve, High Priestess of the Grove of the Winged Scarab, the Covenant of the Goddess, right after these words.
I'm not going to spend the whole evening on this, believe me, Amber, but I would like to find out, or at least just get it out in the open and get it behind us, and then let's get on with what Wiccans are all about.
But Congressman Robert Barr wrote to the general at Fort Hood saying, quote, what's next?
Will armored divisions be forced to travel with sacrificial animals for satanic rituals?
Will raciferians demand the inclusion of ritualistic marijuana cigarettes in their rations?
I understand he had a town meeting and you went down there and told him what for, is that right?
There is not a grove or covenant that I am aware of that will accept a child under 18.
Most of them are 21, but I think that I know one that's 18.
Without the written permission of both parents, custodial or not, and without discussing the religion, the teachings that the child will be learning with the custodial parents, both of it together.
There is one other New Age religion that uses the word witch that we are very, very, very much opposed to, and we might as well get this out of the way behind us, boo.
And it's called the Church of Satan, already first simple of set.
That's Anton de Vey and Achino, Michael Aquino, who happens to be in the military and a lieutenant colonel, which I think Mr. Boss should be cognizant of.
They use the word witch for any female practitioner.
This is incorrect usage just as most of their other practices are.
They are a reverse Christianity.
They are out to degrade and defame anything that is held only predominantly by Christians, but innately by everyone who truly shares the spiritual belief.
Because when you degrade or defile another's religious items, you have defile your own as well.
We don't have proof during that period of time by name exactly who of us was there because we were so far underground then it would be hard to find us.
We started coming out of our little snug little broom closet with Gerald Gardner and that was back in the 50s in England, 64th over here.
It's not been long since we have been.
If you'd admitted you were rich before 1960, you might have been back of Martin Luther King.
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You would have been put way in the back of the bus or dragged by it.
Well, the Druids, it goes back at least as far as the Druids, we believe at least a portion of it.
Realize because of how we had to duck and cover, it's difficult to keep any proof, tangible physical proof.
Most of what we have is reconstruction using the pictographs that we find buried in the caves, comparing them with paintings that we know come from Aboriginal peoples that we have some idea about, and bringing it up through the sociology anthropology side.
This is not considered proof per se by everyone, but it's more proof than some of us have or need because we know.
Now, I know how that sounds.
But it's the same thing as asking a Christian, how do you know that Jesus Christ lived?
Why do you believe, because we're coming down to the end of this half hour and then we come on the other side, I want to get a full description of what Wiccans believe in and what their existence is all about.
What is their belief and why people sort of look askance at it.
I realize those who are Christians say, well, you're not Christian, so obviously you're wrong.
Jews say, well, you're not Jewish, so therefore you're wrong.
And I'm telling you, you know, so I understand it, but why do you believe that now suddenly it is really taking off, particularly amongst women or girls?
You know, why this religion now at this time, and it's been around for, you know, ages and ages and ages.
It has never been in a place where it could truly empower women before.
Now it is.
This is a matriarchal metrofocal religion.
We have men.
My working partner is also my husband and best friend and the person who's decided to keep me up tonight.
But I am the one that initially, ultimately, must make the final decisions and accept the final responsibility for myself and my grove.
Each person, of course, accepts their own responsibility, but the female carries the double responsibility for both herself and for what she has accepted as her offspring, be that of her body or be that of her will.
But it goes a little deeper most times that the oath has to be very bad for you to really want to put somebody that far away from you that they just do not even exist.
Okay, so the direct answer to the question then as we come down to the end of this half hour is that women are going into this religion because it empowers them as women.
Now coming back, we will talk about what that really means to empower a woman.
So you stay there, please.
And pardon me, making a cough there.
You see, you gave me a bad vibe.
We will continue here our discussions with the Reverend Lady Amber Maid Shymansky and find out a lot more about this strange, well, strange to most of us, not strange to them, this strange religion which is growing rapidly and in the military particularly.
So you stay right where you are.
I will stay where I am.
And the Reverend Lady Amber Mae will stay where she is.
We will continue right here on the Art Bell program.
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I am Hilly Rose on Coast to Coast, A.M. You know that this is the
Love potion number nine.
I told her that I was a pop with chick.
I've been up with since 1956.
She looked at her arm.
She made her madeline.
She said it was to me.
Love potion number nine.
This is post at 1 a.m. with special guest host, Hilly Rose, on the Premier Radio Networks.
It's Hilly at HillyRose.com, and our fax number is 541-664-8261.
Firms have been ringing off the hook just since we have been on the air with this program, and I will tell everybody that we will not, not get to phone calls in this half hour.
We'll get to phone calls in the next hour.
So, of course, once you've got a line, you'll never get back in.
I do realize that, so you're just going to have to let it ring and put the phone down, and eventually we will get to you.
We are talking about Wiccans.
There's a lot to be said about what the Wiccans are doing and the fact that they in effect have come out of the closet and might be an example for a lot of other type folks who might want to come out of the closet.
So we'll talk more about that with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shemansky right after this.
Furrows here, continuing our conversation with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, who is High Priestess, Grove of the Wings, Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
Amber, does that make you a pretty high poobah in the movement like the Pope is in the Catholic Church?
A High Priestess is one who has her and is managing her own grove.
That means keeping it running, making sure that the monthly rituals are done.
We worship each new moon and the initiates worship each full moon within our tradition.
Then I have classes that I'm currently on sabbatical until the 18th of July that I teach every week for seekers, those who aren't real sure what's out there, but they're curious and they want to know what it's about.
And that way we can let them hear what we are, understand what we are, without them having to make a commitment of joining or anything.
Then we have our neophyte class, which is the class that you go into after the seeker class.
And then up the hill away as you get your initiate classes.
Well, I wish I had explained it to you thoroughly, because I don't understand it thoroughly.
But to my best understanding, essentially Anne Rice gone one step further.
Vampire mystique, the very pale, the very nihilistic, red stark lip makeup, both male and female, dark eye makeup, both male and female, usually long hair, usually dark, either wearing renaissance clothing and usually affecting a pointy ring if I got the money because those things are expensive.
They basically are more the vampires and thought and the fact that I'm not really going to die but everybody else around me is.
But it doesn't give you another strength to draw upon.
The only strength that the Christian culture allows women to focus on that really gives them the sense of their womanhood is a very, very biased idea of Mary.
And if you notice how frequently she's beginning to show up, guys.
We, nine times out of ten, do not worship skyclad.
That is because this culture has so inculcated it into people that naked is sex that it is still back there in the mind.
We have not exercised it yet.
And the other thing is, we don't want people distracted from why they're there just by, you know, a lot of naked skin going around.
If you were up in a nudist colony, that would be different.
But we want people more concentrating inward.
The object of being sky-clad is to make you all as one, all equal.
We find that because of our culture, it is more equal for us to all wear robes of the same color, of approximately the same design, but nothing that would stand out and clash.
It's as if you had a field of flowers there, but no predominance that would draw your eye.
Okay, as for the 9-foot blade, I wish...
I'm sorry, nine inches.
My actual blade is eight inches on my fanny.
It is very sharp, it is very pointed, and if it ever draws any blood other than my own, I have to destroy it.
Well, then how do the folks in the military reconcile their religion with the fact that they may have to go to Kosovo or someplace like that and kill people?
From there, ancient man took the concept of the mother or the female earth and broke it down into more and more little bits and pieces as they had need.
Much like has been done in some of the Christian churches with various saints.
They did the same thing with the God figure, and they occasionally switched them.
In the Orient you will find quite a few sun goddesses, and you will find several within the Egyptian pantheons, as well as earth gods.
All of this depends on what tradition that you follow.
Much of what I'm telling you is from my tradition.
That means to walk with insight upon the balance of the wheel.
That makes a lot of sense too, didn't it.
We try to understand ourselves as well as those around us.
To balance those understandings and to try to walk a non-intrusive life, much as you would look at an Indian within our own known path.
That's why it takes so much meditation to walk this path.
We rarely succeed to a perfect balance.
We always tend to wobble one way or the other.
But what we expect of every initiate is when they see themselves leaning, oh, perhaps too much toward self-faith, to look at it, accept it, and consciously pull back toward a more objective center.
And I wanted to hark back to a little earlier this morning, we had a lady calling us about, I guess the book of the man we were talking about on Greenland yesterday, which was Worlds in Collision.
That was the name of the book.
And I suggested that she might get a copy of it from Powell's.
And somebody kindly sent me a fax saying that my memory did serve me well.
It was Powell's City of Brooks in Portland, Oregon.
And you get them on email at ping at powells.portland.org.us.
That's me, your phone number.
Toll-free, 800-878-7323.
World's Enclosion was a huge bestseller years ago, and I'm sure that they will have any numbers of copies or know how to get them.
And let's see, what else I need to tell you?
I have a new email number.
I'll tell you that.
It is hilly at hillyrose.com.
And I do read all your emails.
Let's see what else here.
I guess that's about it.
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And we'll get back to the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, High Priestess, Rover of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess, right after this.
I asked you earlier about what the Wiccans celebrate, and it says here, and you can tell me I'm wrong, they celebrate earth spirits such as the great goddess Freya and on their altars give blessings to water, bread, and salt, the three essentials of life, while the congregation holds hands in a circle around a large bonfire.
What we believe happened, and again, this is subject to discussion and controversy, we believe that this religion was in its formulative beginnings back as far as the beginning of the Aryan invasions, which were the very beginnings with Babylon, the Assyrians.
They came up over through Turkey and then started coming down into the, back down into the Mediterranean and then over into the Celtic lands.
The Celts made a tremendous push through the North European countries and segmented, split, went around, adopted tribal gods here, a tribal god here, put everybody together.
The older people realized that the different names weren't different gods or goddesses.
They were just that particular tribe's name for this aspect that they called this.
Look at Aries and Mars.
Venus and Aphrodite.
Those are the most common ones.
This happened all the way around.
So we have people who celebrate with Egyptian traditions.
We have people who work with Celtic traditions.
We have people who work with Nordic.
We have people who work with Arthurian, going back into the Briton traditions.
We have some over here that incorporate the Native American traditions.
Some of it is what we would say, quote-unquote, purer than others.
That doesn't mean anything particularly except they say more in one pantheon than they would mix and match.
The majority of covens of girls that I know of mix and match with great abandon.
If they have need for prosperity, they're going to call on the goddess Fortuna before they're going to call on the goddess Hakate, even if that happened to be the goddess of their temple.
You know, you don't call on somebody who's going to bring choice and death and questions and all this other stuff when she walks long green.
I had a caller in the very first hour of the program who said she knew all kinds of Wiccans and that there, and I'm asking you to biggerly verify this or say no.
There were all kinds of Wiccans.
There were good Wiccans, and the majority of Wiccans were really very good people.
But there were a few who were not good Wiccans and who said incantations to get back at people or to influence in a negative way.
We do not have any common law that we can actually use to stop them.
All we can use to actually stop someone who is inappropriately using their power or position, usually it's a position, is to expose them.
Expose them within the community, expose them as far around the community as you can within the laws of slander or libel.
So that at least babies who are going to be beginning classes will have an idea that this may not be exactly what they're looking for.
Granted, this isn't a great way of doing it, but it's about the only thing we've been come up with so far, that and having various places that you can go to inquire if there are any classes going on and who is safe to go to and who isn't.
And then I'd like to know from you, Amber, and the Wiccan or what you're into, is there a book or phone number or anything that you've written that I can buy or purchase?
I think the question here, and I've been expecting that all evening, you know, this is a program that's heard throughout the world, mainly in the United States and Canada, and many, many other places.
So people are going to say who are interested, maybe you piqued their interest, how do I find out more about Wiccans?
I think this is the time for you to give us a very straightforward answer.
You're in Atlanta, so you're head of a coven there, but that doesn't help somebody in Montana or California or somewhere else.
No, what I would advise them to do first is to, if they're anywhere near a large city, is to go there and pick up their yellow pages and look under books under metaphysical bookstore.
See if you can find a copy of the Spiral Dance, Rebirth of the Religion of the Great Goddess.
It was the first truly seminal book of the Rebirth of the Goddess.
It has got explanation in there.
It's got some stuff that I use for my classes, giving due credit, because this is a wonderful lady.
But it's very readable as well.
The other one that I am particularly fond of is Drawing Down the Moon by Margo Adler.
She is a commentator on Fall Things Considered with NPR.
And the book that she wrote, and it was back in 79, it has been updated, was a information about the New Age in general.
There's various groups in there and Wicca and paganism being one of them.
The best thing to do with one of Anton Levey's books, as much as I really hate to do this because I'm not a book burner, is you don't want babies to get their hands on it because they're basically booby traps to make you look like an idiot.
If I lived in Paducah, Kentucky, in fact, there was a man who called me from Jacksonville, North Carolina, who wanted to know if there were any Wiccans in his area.
Subject tonight are rippins, witches, religion, a variety of things we're talking about.
And reminder that Art Bell will be back with you tomorrow night, tomorrow morning, however it is, we're in your time zone.
And I will return for Dreamland on Sunday.
And on Monday next, Monday, Tuesday morning, I should say.
We'll be talking about abductions, E.T. abductions, many, many stories about abductions, and tell you how you will know whether you have been abducted.
It is very possible that you have been abducted and just don't know it, but there are telltale signs.
And we'll examine that whole area.
Monday, Tuesday, next.
Tonight we're talking Wiccans, and we will continue our conversation, get an answer for Jackie and Toledo, right after these messages.
We're talking to the Reverend Lady Amber Mae Shemansky, High Priestess, Robo Wing Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
And Amber, the Jackie in Toledo, was asking where she could find information on the rituals of the Wiccans.
This is another group that tries to steer people towards information that they're seeking.
All three of these websites are designed to educate you to what Wicca is, basically, you know, the first ABCs, and to guide you onto other things that you would want to be interested in.
Now, I have read, and I can't quote it to you anywhere, I don't remember where I've read it, that Wiccans basically are interested in nature and the ecology of the world and putting not only themselves in balance, but the world in balance.
We believe that the plants and the animals are no less worthy of life than human beings.
What made two-legged so very important over the green brothers that give us air to breathe and food to eat, or our four-legged brothers who give us security and, again, food to eat.
We just believe that you live gently upon the land and you live in harmony with your fellow creatures.
And that's a real problem when you're an arachnophobe to learn to be colorful spider.
And I'm having to deal with that.
But it's realizing that they are all a part of the ultimate creative force.
I'm reading here from the article that was written in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago.
It says, on full moons and eight sacred holidays, they, meaning the Wiccans and dozens of more witches from the surrounding area, watch the high priestess lift her dagger over a ball of salt and honor the blessed earth.
What is there about full moons and eight sacred holidays?
They celebrate beginning anew, the birth of the new sun, followed by elmbok, which is the increasing light and the first little beginnings of some of the plants, followed by Beltane, when things are really starting to sprout, followed by Latha, when things are in just absolutely luscious, marvelous ripeness.
This is also when the sun is at its fullness.
All of the first part of those four holidays have been growing, the sun getting bigger and bigger.
That's where our ancestors looked at it.
Then it begins to die.
This is not a good thing.
So you have Lugnathod, which is literally the fast of Luke, the sun god.
He just goes to his wake before other people do.
Next you have Mabon, and that's the crossing the abyss, getting ready to go into the underworld to be reborn.
At Salwin, you get in the boat and you start progressing into the underworld, awaiting rebirth, which happens at Yule.
What I wanted to say is I'm a member of the First Unitarian Church.
And in our newsletter that we get from Boston, it had the there was a group of witches out west that had a church group because in our church group here it's Judeo-Christian, but I guess in the Unitarian Church they can choose whatever they want.
And I thought that was interesting.
I was wondering if she knew if Amber knew anything about that, about cups.
It has to do with three sisters who discover that they find the book up in the attic that their mother had been a witch, and that the three of them all have special powers.
You're showing it by the fact you are questioning.
If it were dangerous for you to call yourself a Christian, if there was a possibility you would be fired if people knew you were a Christian, it wouldn't matter to you what you called yourself, but how would you feel maybe later that you had gunked out abusing a name just because it might have been inconvenient?
You wouldn't deny being a Christian just because it would be difficult, would you?
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No, ma'am.
And I I think a young lady died in Columbine professionally a Christian.
I just wanted to call and say we don't all wear black.
I wear a business suit every day.
I'm in a professional field.
My husband is as well.
We own a house.
We pay taxes.
And we just want to be able to worship ourselves in our way.
And that's it.
And some of us have to stay in the broom closet to do that.
I know.
Because of the negative connotations that are out there.
And sure is our child, which maybe is trying to be positive but tends to be more like a B movie.
I did have a question.
In Kansas City, we have been dealing with someone here.
As you had said earlier, we kind of try and keep a watch within our community.
And at Hartley last two weeks ago, which was a gathering, we were trying to come up with the documentation for your version of the read because none of us, including Silver Ravenwolf, had ever heard it.
And the woman who we're keeping a watch on has been using that and kind of twisting it in ways we don't like.
We can't share them all, but there are a couple here that I want to share with you.
One says, please ask your guests her attitude toward the use of legal and illegal drugs for the purpose of inducing altered states of consciousness during practice and rituals.
Regardless of what you're seeing in the Native American practices, some of the Native Abiyam Nordics also use hallismogens in some of the rituals.
In order to work magic, you need to be in complete control of your facilities.
It's too easy to lose the focus if you are altered by a legal or illegal drug.
If we have somebody who is ill and who's having to take painkillers, having to take heavy-duty tranquilizers, then they normally will not work energy until the reason for this problem has been solved.
If it is something they are on as a routine basis and say at a maintenance dose and it is monitored by a physician or by their health care worker, then we have no problem with it as long as they are able to fully function.
Another fact that I'm going to have to just quickly paraphrase for you, because we sort of touched on it earlier, but I've heard Wiccans being interviewed on the radio stating that although their religion is totally against the killing of others, Wiccans who choose to be in the military do whatever is required of them and then later atone for their sin in the Wiccan ceremony.
These same Wiccans make a big deal about how Christians in the military are hypocritical since the Bible commands that thou shalt not kill.
I'd like your guests to respond to this rationalization by Wiccans in the military and to the fact that an accurate translation of the Bible says that thou shalt not murder.
The Bible clearly condones the killing of enemies in legitimate battle to protect one's nation and to kill a criminal to defend oneself or one's loved one.
But here's the kicker, because we sort of went through that earlier.
The kicker is, taking into consideration the above apparent contradiction about killing by Wiccans, how would you respond to the accusation that Wiccan infiltration of the U.S. military is possibly a satanic plot to destroy the United States of America's military capability?
Again, I'm referring to the article in the Washington Post as of June 8th, in which they say: to date, no other group as off-beat as the Wiccans, that's his words, has asked for approval.
But the Army's handbook for chaplains uses a few of the myriad possibilities open to soldiers, which includes Church of Satan, Black Judaism, Scientology, Temple of Set.
I don't know whether that's a misprint.
I don't know what that is.
No, that's correct.
And all candidates for potential approval considered case by case.
But according to this article, Wiccans are the only ones who have asked for approval.
All the shades and varieties of situations that we talk about on these shows, it's never ending.
It's an encyclopedic, what's the word I'm looking for here?
Certainly an encyclopedic schooling.
But it seems every time we open up one avenue of discussion, it brings on 20 more.
And it never ends.
There will never be an end of the material.
People say to me, listen, here's an idea for you.
Don't you run out of ideas?
And I say, you can't believe.
You can't believe how much there is to talk about.
We're in here five hours a night.
And, you know, you would think that we just run out of stuff to talk about.
No way.
No way.
It is an eye-opener.
And people who listen to this show are just great because you become more of a human being and try and understand shades and meanings and nuances and opening your minds to the new age and all the other things that we talk about.
So my compliments to you.
And stick with us.
You will always learn more, as I do certainly just doing these shows.
A quick reminder that my new email number is Hilly at HillyRose.com.
That's H-I-L-L-Y.
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And I do read all of them, and I do appreciate all of them.
So many of you say nice things, and a lot of you say nasty things.
You wouldn't believe some of the stuff that comes to me.
But it does tell me, especially when you tell me whether you liked a show or didn't like a show, it helps me to book things that I think are directly in line with your interests.
And we will pay attention to Amber and the Wickens in just a moment, right here on Costa Coast Stadium.
music Back to the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, High Priestess, Grove of the Wings Scarab, Covenant of Goddess.
And Amber, people tune in and out as the evening wears on and stations come in and out.
And I think it's probably time for us to just quickly say why it is that Wicca, particularly amongst teenage girls, is just moving very, very rapidly in a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, which is our number one.
Well, it gives a woman, particularly a teenage girl, a chance to feel like she can be in control of her life, that she has a chance at advancement, that she has someone like her that's on high that she can appeal to.
The only one that has been acceptable up to this point has been the Virgin Mary.
And a subservient, and that is the picture you get, a handmaiden pose is not what most young women want these days.
They want to be as strong as they desire or as dependent as they desire.
Well, one thing I wanted to mention was kind of a comment.
Just a second ago, you were talking about people that Scott Cunningham writes for solitaries.
And I've been a solitary practitioner now for about five years.
And I was just kind of wanting to back up some of the things that Lady Amber has been saying in that we don't, even though all of us, I mean, we follow so many different traditions and stuff, that it's like I'm kind of nervous, so please forgive me.
Like each one of us has our own set of specific rules and guidelines, just like in Christianity you have the Bible and Christianity is being based on that.
We base our religion on the practices that she said as far as harming none and things like that.
But we all have our different ideas and concept of what God is and how we're supposed to follow through with it and how it relates to us.
And I've just noticed that so many people seem not to have any idea what we're talking about.
They think it's all about the black hats and the broomsticks.
And there's, I mean, like, hell, I'm a waiter at one of the final restaurants here in town.
And so it's, you know, I mean, we come in all shapes and sizes.
One thing I would like Amber to speak about would there would be like more common concepts on how homosexuals are related to in it.
And so because I mean I'm solitary so I really don't have very many people in our real Bible belt state here to relate to.
Well as far as I'm concerned, your private life is your private life.
As long as you love, you love.
I don't care whether people got innies or outies.
If you're in the circle, I appreciate you channeling the energy of the gender you are wearing.
In other words, if you are in a male gender in this physical body, I need you to channel male energy, not female.
If this is something that the person can't do, if they are a transsexual and are going through that procedure, then they would need to tell me so that I can make adjustments whither the energy flows.
The God and Goddess state that all acts of love and joy are my rituals.
She doesn't define it or restrict it in any other way.
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But how do we relate this to our personal practice?
I mean, how do we since everything is so male and female oriented, you know, and as far as the union of the goddess and the goddess?
No, does it mean that like, you know, I how do I rel what I'm trying to find out is how do I mean do I have to relate that energy in ritual and my concepts of the world like sexually?
Because I mean I've had people so much as tell me that there's something wrong with homosexuality, you just can't have the balance of energy between the two.
One of the hardest things for most people to learn to do is to meditate because they're so afraid of the word.
Have you ever gotten so involved in a book that you did not hear someone come in the room or someone call you until they've called you a second or third time?
Is it that time of morning or what's going on here?
Yeah, Amber, I'd like to, in the final hour of the program, I'd like to give the guests an opportunity to speak on topics that may not have been asked, to bring up areas that perhaps you would like to talk about, unless you think we have exhausted the subject at this point.
Okay, so I'm just giving you these few minutes to think it through, and then we will continue and finalize our conversations in the next hour.
But this is the time we won't, I mean, I will take calls, but not to start with, but just give you the opportunity to raise issues that perhaps we haven't touched on.
It's such a large subject.
There's no way that I can, you know, not being a worker myself, that I know what to bring up.
So if you'll think about that, and we'll get to it right after the break.
We practice responsibility and try very hard to practice tolerance.
The international organization that I am a member of, Covenant of the Goddess, was founded to try to pull together a bit of this diverse group we have because we are awfully independent we are.
It has held together now for almost 25 years.
That's remarkable.
We do not want to lose what we have gained, but we are not going back in the broom closet.
I have seen absolutely phenomenal support developing with this Fort Hood slash Bob Barr fiasco.
We're actually having people ask us for interviews outside of Halloween at the miracle.
What we want people to understand about us is we're your neighbor.
We're not out to harm.
We don't hurt animals.
Heaven, if we hurt animals, I wouldn't have eight of them roaming around my house now, insisting it's theirs and not mine.
And we are as different as two snowflakes.
You heard a lot of the questions weren't from Christians.
I think only one Christian called in so far.
But were from other of the pagan and the New Age movements.
Because we are very defensive of our traditions and of our crafts.
We've had to fight a long time just to be able to say goddess in public and not be looked at strangely or not fear for your job.
I have lost, personally, at least two jobs because of my religion.
What pagan actually means is of the countryside, the local yokel.
It is someone who actually believes in the divinity of life in its various forms, just as the Wiccan do.
It may take multiple paths.
It can go through shamanic paths, animistic paths, which is actually working with your animal spirits, working with omens, totems, etc.
The pagans name is like a giant umbrella, as Christianity would be to the faith that has been followed for the past approximately 2,000 years.
Wicca is a portion, a rather large portion, I don't know if we're the Catholic Church or one of the Protestant sects, I don't have a headcount, of the pagan religion.
We are growing at a quite rapid rate within the pagan path.
I can't say just the Wiccan.
I, again, do not have those specific numbers.
I do know that it has now been reported that in both the United States and in England, this is the fastest growing religion in the world.
I think it's because it gives people a little bit of hope because it puts the weight back to them and their ability to control their own future, their responsibility for their own future and their own lives.
They're not just at the wind of fate.
They're not sheep waiting to be sheared.
They're actually looking up and saying, there's more of a world out there than I thought of.
Let me look.
And we're seeing a lot of that in the upcoming generation, male and female.
But I think it would be possible because we do quite a bit of gesticulation.
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I absolutely agree with you.
I'd like, if I may, to bring up a couple of things here.
As I'm sure you understand, when the Wicca is practiced properly, that there can be a wonderful amount of often subtle but very positive residual effects from working with the Wicca.
So I urge those out there, let me give you an example, blind people often have a fear of fire when you can learn, besides just cooking on the barbecue, when you can learn to move the flame in a clockwise or a counterclockwise fashion and within rhythmic fashions with your mind, where you it basically is a form of therapy there.
Also for musicians, without the Wicca, my music wouldn't be nearly what it is.
Also, when done properly, you can be out in the middle of a shopping mall and do energy work.
Especially for a blind person, that means crafting with patterns even when the physical has been moved or displaced or distorted or even when the physical may not be there.
I just wanted to let you know that in so many ways people think of me more as an energy worker than a witch.
I do want to mention one thing.
If it wouldn't have been for a pact with nature so that I would keep myself from, let's say, accidentally stepping on insects or being in the territory of snakes and these kinds of things, once I made that pact with nature, for example, I was able to go down to like Kerrville Music Festival in 91, and I was able to go through the gullies down there.
People all around me were getting bit by scorpions and were getting bit by fire ants and were stepping on thorns.
And ever since I did that many, many years ago, nature has aided me because those creatures and those plants, they don't want to hurt me.
Right.
And so I made that pact.
And ever since I've done that, I could talk with hours about those kinds of things.
So I'll let you go.
And I'm what you call a solitary that has to often tie in to other people as if we are together.
You have done a certain amount of negative things to others.
You have harmed a certain amount of entities.
You will need to repay that harm.
It may come out in your continuing to do good and to work to correct the balance.
You say now that you no longer try to work malevolent spells, is that right?
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You know, I won't do it again because, see, I learned a lot through that, that, you know, I've had a spirit guide who came to me who instructed me what I was doing right and wrong.
It sounds like that you are beginning to find your past, dear.
Working with anyone.
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I really hope so.
I just wanted to talk to you about it because a lot of people couldn't give me answers because I felt pretty bad about it.
I mean, traditionally I've asked for forgiveness from God and then that, and I don't want to hopefully before you can forgive anybody else, or anyone else can forgive you.
We'll take a break here and wrap up our final half hour coming up very shortly as we continue our discussion about the Wiccans, their place in the world, what they believe.
Sitting in for Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM, I am Willie Rose.
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Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shymansky, high priestess, rove of the winged scarab, covenant of the goddess.
Would you take just a couple of moments, Amber, and tell me a little something about the rituals?
Now, you know, it's sort of like saying what do Jews do in the synagogue and what do Catholics do in the churches, and that's not an easy question to answer, and I realize that.
But what occurred?
I mean, you have this knife that you use in your rituals.
You dance around a bonfire.
And these are my understandings, and so I'm asking you to sort of describe for me, because it's different than what most of us think of going into a place of worship.
When you get ready to do a circle, first of all, it's the responsibility of the priest and priestess to make sure the space is clear.
That means of things that you could step on physically and injure your feet and of any negative energies.
Okay, then you set up your altar.
It's usually set in the north, at least within my tradition.
Then you bring in any other initiate, any others that have been elevated into the priesthood, and that's what initiation is technically within the Wicca.
It's the beginning into the priesthood.
At that point, you anoint them with oil.
This is to confer a blessing upon them and to help to open their third eyes that they may see.
Then it's the priestess' job, usually, to build the circle.
We build the circle with the psychic energy form of the five elements, earth, water, air, fire, and spirit.
We build with salt representing earth as a physical representation that we can see with our eyes and can feel with our hands.
The water is in our chalice and the air is in our incense.
And now the biggie.
Oh, I'm sorry, not yet.
We get to do the fire.
That's the candle.
Then you get the biggie.
This is where we use the knife.
The knife is a tool of spirit.
It is a tool of the practitioner's will, determination.
You use that tool to psychically blend together the other four elements in order to make an impervious sphere, a ball, a giant ball that goes over the top of us and under the earth around us on a psychic level.
You then cut, again, on the psychic level, using your knife, a doorway to let those who have not been initiated within the sacred temple, because you've now built your church.
As they come in, you ask them the words to the circle.
How do you come?
The answer is spread it everywhere that you read about the witches.
I come in perfect love and in perfect trust.
That means that you trust everyone in that area to be there for their best, good, and the highest reasons.
You then call in the ancient, well you shut the door next.
Then you call in the ancient and mighty ones.
These are equivalent to the archangels within the Christian pantheon.
The totemic animals of the quarters.
These are the guardians, the watchers of the various elements, earth, air, fire, and water.
Once they are there, you all do a mutual chant, each person making eye contact, so that you build the web stronger and tighter.
Very similar to the way that you do a Christian service, and you start out by singing, because this too brings everyone closer together.
They feel more of a commonality as their voices rise together.
And it's amazing the difference in the feel of the area after you've had this action go on.
Once we have what we call charge the circle, that's getting everybody rope snug together, the priestess goes to the altar and she invites the goddess to come down and join the celebration.
And her candle is lit, which has been previously charged for her.
We call the goddess first because she is the form.
She is the structure of all life and all being.
So we have to have a place for the god energy to go.
So you've got to make the cup before you pour out the Petsy.
When the goddess has been invoked into the priestess, she is expected to be able to speak with the voice of the goddess.
This happens to a greater or lesser degree depending on the condition of the priestess, the age of the priestess, the training of the priestess, and her sincere desire.
Then the priest does the same thing with the God candle, invoking the God form again into himself so that he could speak with this voice.
And again, the results are varying depending on the talent and strength and determination of the priest.
You then have what people would call the sermon.
We either do meditations, we may do healings, we may do protective amulets, we may do prosperity workings.
This is where we put what we call the body of the ritual.
After that, we have communion.
We call it Thanksgiving, celebration of cakes and wine.
The priest holds up the cakes, and he gives Thanks for the God, the God of the grain that gave His body and His form in order that we might survive as we ate His flesh and form.
Might He go with us and be constantly with us through the coming cycle.
Then He turns to the priestess and gives her a bite of cake and with our last tradition at least, the blessing of May You Never Hunger.
He then turns and starts the plate of cakes to his right, going around the circle.
The priestess then picks up the chalice and blesses it and calls down the essence of the great goddess within the wine, expressing it as her blood of life, her wine, her love, her joy that we want to partake of and carry with us through the coming cycle.
She gives the sip to the priest with the blessing of May You Never Thirst.
At this point, in some rituals and in some groups, they do what is known as the Great Rite.
This is a symbolic act of sexual communion between the two parties.
It's done, here we go back with the big knife again.
The priestess holds the chalice of wine.
The priest takes his Athenae, and they slowly bring them together.
As the priest says, as the Athenae is to the male, the priestess says, so the chalice is to the female.
And then they both finish.
With joined togetherness, they bring joy, love, and happiness.
My elder, who has just passed about two months ago, was an acknowledged adept at Enochian.
However, my brain is only so big.
I'm having a hard time cramming all I'm having to do right now into it.
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Right, right.
And also I want to ask him, do you think that the RUAC is part of the soul that corresponds to the ethical powers to distinguish between good and evil?
When I picture children sitting under a tree, wiggling their toes in the dirt just anywhere in the world, as a child, you know, we tend to relate to Mother Nature, to everything around us, and we have a great sense of the all, even as little people.
So I, you know, like when a child looks at a blossom that's a bud and it opens up before their very eyes just for them to look at, when these special things occur to a child, you learn that, well, there's no religion attached to this, no specific belief, no ritual, no taboos.
And if you can keep this in your life, all your life, isn't that something that you would consider a wonderful thing?
So there are a lot of us who do not understand the ritual side or the vain repetition and all the other things that are like baggage that we never had to have before.
Yes, I do believe he was a great prophet, a great leader, and he was an avatar.
I think he gave a very good message.
It's a shame it wasn't printed.
What is planted now is basically all of them.
Go back and read some of the articles that are now being taken out of the Aramaic, which is actually the language that he spoke and wrote in, and also look at some of the datings on what is now being called the Gospels.
Yes, he existed.
He most definitely existed, and he was a strong and a potent force.
Because this is an audience that has an open mind.
It's an audience that has been, I don't want to say conditioned, that's a poor way of putting it, but it's an audience that night after night after night looks at something beyond the box, beyond what we have been taught traditionally.
And so that's why I think you'll find this tolerance.
Hey, thank you very, very much for sharing this time with us, and blessings upon you.