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June 14, 1999 - Art Bell
03:21:35
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Hilly Rose - Lady Ambermaeve - Wicca
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I'm going to play a little bit of it.
So, I'm going to play a little bit of it.
You're listening to Coast to Coast AM with Ellie Rose.
To talk with Hilly from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
That's 1-800-618-8255.
East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
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billy rose wishing you a kind and gentle night
Because I don't know what kind of a gentle night this is.
You listen to the newscast and, you know, man, what's going on?
The Russians are in Kosovo.
Not supposed to be, but there they are.
And, you know, the head guy from NATO, the head military guy, the British guy that looks like Dracula, He's saying, well, the Russians are occupying the airbase at Kosovo, which was going to be my headquarters, but hey, big deal.
You know, there's lots of Kosovo to set up headquarters in, so let's not push it here.
In the meantime, the Russians are doing exactly what they want, which is what the Russians have always done, friends.
So what else is new?
Okay, so the Russians are in Kosovo.
Do you think the Chinese will come into Kosovo any time soon?
Get a brigade of Chinese in there.
And just tonight, South Korea took off after North Korea shot down, I think it was one of their boats, because the, I didn't get the whole story, but the North Koreans were, they're fishing, they're starving to death in North Korea, so they came into a fishing field that South Korea says is theirs.
So, of course, you don't send them a centiphore and say, get the hell out of here.
You'd sink their boat.
I mean, that's the way things are done, right?
I haven't heard from Iraq lately.
There's not enough room on the front pages for Iraq.
And now we've got three kids in Sacramento who were caught before they bombed the school.
Now that's the good news, right?
They caught them before they bombed the school.
Oh, I tell you.
Ain't we got fun?
Big show tonight.
Big controversy coming up in the next hour.
We're going to be talking with Lady Amber May.
of the Covenant of the Goddess, who are the Wiccans.
Big controversy, the army now allows the Wiccans to practice witchcraft.
Ceremonies in about six or seven different army bases.
And Congressman Bob Bell saying, uh-oh, what happens next?
Satan, devil worshippers are going to come there?
But we are mainly going to focus on the Wiccans tonight and who they are, pardon me, and shouldn't.
Drink water while I'm talking to you.
And, you know, what is it that they're all about?
I remember way back in October, was it only October, friends, when Art took his very quick hiatus, and I filled in, and on my very first night, I said something about Wiccans, and said I didn't know much about it, and man, all kinds of people called in.
So I thought, hey, it's time now to do a show about the Wiccans.
And see what this is all about.
Coming up in the next hour, I talked to Joyce Riley today about what went on at 29 Palms.
You remember we had a show about that last Monday.
And this is where a number of corporals, I believe they're all corporals, five of them, are going to be court-martialed because they're refusing to take the anthrax vaccine.
But not quite.
The way they're phrasing it is that they Failure to follow a lawful order.
That's the way it's phrased, and that's what they're going to go on courts-martial for at the 29 Palms Marine Base out in the desert in California.
And I talked to Joyce Riley today, and she said that the judge did rule.
I know this is going to shock you.
I know you're just saying, oh my goodness, the judge who was going to rule on a bunch of discovery motions, was going to rule on the lawfulness of the Secretary of Defense's order to give everybody an anthrax vaccine, whether they want it or not.
Just, hey, we don't know if it works.
We know it could be harmful, but hey, don't worry about it.
Just give every one of them a second.
But I don't plan to take it, of course.
It's not anything I plan to do.
Anyway, the judge did rule on Thursday at 29 Palms And I know you're just going to be shocked.
Just shocked.
Pick up the usual suspects, friends.
Shocked to find out that the judge ruled that it was a lawful order given by the Secretary of Defense, and therefore, we'll just go ahead and court-martial these five suckers.
Back with them.
Right?
Doesn't matter.
Right, wrong, indifference.
Doesn't matter.
Joyce says that they have about 300 signs out there at 29 pounds.
We're about to put them up during the court's marshal.
And they've taken full-page ads in the Penny Saver paper out there.
And I said, Joyce, you know, you can do this, but it is clear from the absolute callous way that we were treated by the Marine Corps last week that they don't give a darn.
And what do you expect?
If the Secretary of Defense says, all right, everybody now, line up here and we're going to shoot your ass, what do you think is going to happen?
You think the General is going to say, no, no, no, it's an unlawful order.
No, no, no, we can't do that.
No, no, no.
Anthrax isn't good for you.
It may give you the heebie-jeebies or something.
Ain't going to happen.
Just not going to happen.
So I have suggested to Joyce that maybe what we really need to do is to mount a campaign to Secretary Cohen, the Secretary of Defense, telling him exactly how we Americans feel about this.
And that probably will do more.
But, you know, Joyce is going to Have these signs up there, have 29 pounds, and do whatever it is that she's going to do.
And so I'm just bringing you up to date here.
This is open line in this portion of the program.
I can do whatever I want, can't I?
Art does.
Why can't I do it?
I can sit here and tell you what I had for lunch today, if that's what you want to know.
I can only tell you I had lunch at a very elegant place here in Medford, Oregon.
They have a sign that says, we do it your way.
That's all I know about it.
You want it with the onions?
Without the onions, you know.
I usually take it without the mayonnaise.
People think I'm crazy, but that's where all the fat is.
Did you know that?
That's where all the fat is in those sandwiches, is in the mayonnaise.
It tastes just as good.
You use the secret sauce and the onions and all the rest of it.
Just get off of the mayonnaise.
All right.
I have been asked, this is an honor now, and I'm like, come on, give me a break here.
I'm going to toot my own horn.
Ain't nobody else tooting it around here.
I'm going to toot my own horn.
I am going to be on a program this coming Saturday night, which is number one program.
Let's see if I have this information here.
I know it's here somewhere.
Anyway, it's coming out of radio station CKTB.
I don't know where that is.
That's in Canada somewhere.
And this is the number one program in Canada, in St.
Catharines, Ontario, Canada.
It's called the X-Zone Radio Show.
And they do what we do here.
They investigate the world of the paranormal and the science of parapsychology.
He claims to be number one in Canada, New York, Pennsylvania.
I don't have it in front of me, but that's apparently what it is.
Anyway, I will be on.
Rob McConnell is the host, and I will be on this coming Saturday night.
You can find out what's the truth about Haley Reynolds.
What is he hiding?
Why doesn't he tell us about himself?
Well, there's the big opportunity, friends.
Rob has kindly invited me on the program.
The show precedes, I believe, the Art Bell Program in that area of the eastern United States and Canada.
So I'll be on starting at 11.45 p.m.
Eastern Time this coming Saturday night.
As though you don't get enough of me right here on the Art Bell Show, right?
All right.
What else do we want to talk about?
You know, we've given you all the highlights of the news.
I mean, what more?
Did I say anything about Iraq?
Iraq.
Yeah, I did say.
It's off the front pages.
But don't think we're not bombing there.
We are.
Just to keep things handy and keep our hand in.
We haven't had enough practice in Kosovo and Yugoslavia.
So there we go.
Story I saved for you from last week.
It's from the BBC.
It says, astronomers have discovered the most distant galaxy yet found.
It was detected because it gives off radio waves.
Aha!
There is somebody out there.
Maybe there's an art bell out there.
And where is this place?
It's 11 billion light years from Earth.
11 billion light years from Earth.
Give me a break!
You know how far that is?
That's farther than nearest McDonald's, I'll tell you that.
The radio waves emitted by radio galaxies are thought to be powered by beams of extremely hot gas coming from... I get that after McDonald's.
Hot gas coming from supermassive black holes buried at their cores.
The nearest and first known radio galaxy, Cygnus A, was discovered nearly 50 years ago.
This Newly discovered radio galaxy is 200 times more distant, 30 times more luminous, and was burned when the universe was still very young.
And that was a long time ago.
So, strange things are happening.
I thought I've been hearing the shows that I've been doing about various things.
We did Manuel Velikovsky, what he had to say on Dreamland yesterday.
And then we did another one with the head of the parade Science Weather Parade Magazine.
And we've been looking wide into the skies.
And you know what it all comes down to, friends?
They ain't got a clue.
They don't know what's going on out there.
They don't know any more than the ancients did.
And the ancients probably knew more than they did.
And they do.
With all of their great telescopes.
The Sumerians, 6,000 years ago, Pretty good idea of what was up there in the sky.
They talked about planets that we didn't discover until quite recently, within this century.
But 6,000 years ago, they knew they were there.
So don't tell me about how we can't do space travel.
What, with our very primitive technology, we can't do space travel?
We can't go to the far places of the universe?
We haven't begun to research.
The possibilities are of going to, what is the name of this thing?
It's TNJ0924-2201.
We could go to TNJ0924-2201 and I bet we will at some time.
11 billion light years from Earth.
That is incredible.
Just incredible.
Alright, what else do I want to tell you?
I want to tell you a week from tonight, a week from tonight I will be back and I will be talking to a woman who is a psychotherapist And runs groups for people who have been abducted by aliens.
Her name is Constance Clear, a psychotherapist.
She will tell us about a number of cases.
She will tell you how you will know whether you have been abducted.
You may have been abducted and you haven't a clue.
You just know something is strange.
But she'll tell you what you should be looking for.
That's a week from tonight and of course I'll be on Dreamland again this coming Sunday.
I think if I remember who it is, it's Han.
Oh yeah, we're going to talk about the Urantia book.
You know about the Urantia book?
This is something that is out there and people have been paying a lot of attention.
But it turns out that Adam and Eve were real and evolution really happened, according to the Urantia book anyway.
And what else?
The Garden of Eden and Atlantis were one and the same.
Did you know that?
And this also, the guy who has written this book, not the orange book, but the book he's written, is Kelly Ellsworth.
And he is very much like the guy I had on back in October.
I can't think of his name.
Glenn Kimball.
Very much like that.
And he verifies many of the things that Glenn Kimball says about Jesus and who Jesus was and all kinds of good stuff.
So I got a lot of great, I can't wait to do them.
I can't wait to come back and do them.
Art Bell will be here tomorrow night and Wednesday and Thursday, right?
And I can't wait to come back and do all these wonderful programs and talk to these guests and what have you.
Well, what I have you right now is open line.
We've given you the numbers.
I just need to tell you, oh, I have a new, I have a new email from New Email Friends.
And, pardon?
Do I want the numbers?
No, my lines are jammed.
I don't want the numbers again.
Every line is lit.
The, yes, I have a new email, but it's very important to tell you that.
A lot of people just didn't understand what I was saying when I said it's hrose.com.
They would misspell it.
It was a miss.
My name is spelled H-I-L-L-Y.
Some people think it's an I, but it's H-I-L-L-Y.
So, my new email address is hilly at hillyrose.com.
How much more simple can that be?
Hilly at hillyrose.com.
Now, that's courtesy through Keith Rowland, who maintains a fantastic Artville webpage.
And I want to thank him so very much, because it's working.
I've gotten it since yesterday when I announced it, and it's just fine.
I get all his email.
Again, folks, I can't, I'm sorry.
I cannot respond to it, but I can certainly read it and get a sense.
And this is very helpful to me, to get a sense of what you like and don't like.
So please do send me your email at hilly at hillyrose.com.
All right, Hilly, get off the air here, and let's get some, see what other people want to talk about.
We'll do that right up and through the top of the hour and then we'll go to the Wiccans and find out about witchcraft and what the Army is doing about it and so much more.
All right.
After these messages.
This is Haley Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
La Crosse, Wisconsin.
All right.
And your first name?
Jessica.
Jessica.
Go ahead, Jessica.
You're on the air.
Oh, I am?
Yes, you are.
Let me go over my radio.
Very good idea.
Shut it off.
I'm feeling great tonight, can't you tell?
I can tell.
I'm emanating good vibes everywhere.
I know, I feel it.
Good, I'm glad to hear that.
I was a little down before, and then just right when you answered I felt it.
This surge, right?
Right, it's just like what Art Bell says, this collective prayer.
That's right.
Anyway, on the Wiccans, they are not satanic people.
I know a lot of Wiccan people.
And they do worship different goddesses and things like that, but it's only, what it's meant by is honoring Gaara, the earth.
They don't do rituals or anything like that.
Oh, sure they do.
They do all kinds of rituals.
Well, I mean good rituals.
Okay.
But also, there are a few that do have revenge.
I'm not a Wiccan myself.
Those are the bad Wiccans, right?
No, I know the good ones.
The ones who do revenge, those are the bad Wiccans.
Yeah, well, negative, yeah, right.
But they're only to honor the earth because God is in everything, trees and things like that, and maybe they have their little rituals.
And that's a question I'd like to ask.
I was listening last night and tried to get in with Dave Talbert and John because I didn't
get the phone number of the book of When Worlds Collide.
We didn't give a phone number because neither one of them wrote the book.
Yeah, he did give the phone number because it was too fast.
I called another line, 809 line.
He said he didn't know but he would try and look for it for me and he couldn't find it.
Did you try Amazon.com?
I don't have the computer.
Oh, I see.
Well, if I can find the number, I'll give it out in the air, but I just honestly don't have it in front of me here.
Okay.
Normally, when I finish a show, I just get rid of all the stuff and do a file.
Uh-huh.
That's about the size of it.
And you're in Kansas City now, right?
No, no, no.
That was the Friday night.
No, no.
Oh, you're in Oregon.
Right.
OK.
That's all the time we've got there.
I'm sorry.
We will do our phone calls unimpeded into the next hour.
So you stick with me.
I am Hilly Rose.
You're listening to Coast to Coast AM with Hilly Rose.
To talk with Hilly from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
That's 1-800-618-8255.
East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
That's 1-800-618-8255.
1-800-825-5033.
East of the Rockies.
1-800-825-5033.
1-800-825-5033.
Now, filling in for Art Bell, Billy Rose.
And just a couple other quick numbers before I pick up the calls.
One is the fax number.
We do read the faxes during the program.
That's 541-664-8261.
The emails may take a day or two, but I certainly do read them.
And once again, we have a new email.
It's hilly at hillyrose.com.
And that should take care of all of that.
Oh, I should mention to you also, we were talking about, a lady asked me if I was in Kansas City.
No, that was Mike Murphy, who was in Kansas City.
And we're all over the place.
Arts and Perumph, and I'm in Medford, and he's in Kansas City.
And hey, you know, anywhere in America, we're there.
One last thing.
People are always trying to find books that are sort of out of print.
And I have a recollection that there is a store in Portland, Oregon, called Powell's Books.
If I'm wrong about that, somebody will correct me, I'm sure.
And they make a specialty out of finding books that are hard to find, out of print, rare books, all kinds of things.
I'm pretty sure it's Powell's, and I'm pretty sure it's Portland.
But if it ain't, somebody will call and tell me so.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Hey, Hilly.
It's Greg in El Cajon, California.
Hey, El Cajon.
How are you?
I am very well tonight.
I told you, I'm sending out good vibes.
Yeah, you are.
Hey, a couple things for you, Hilly.
I think it was maybe about a week or a week and a half ago.
You had a lady on, I guess it was from, it was kind of an interesting story.
I think she said she was a mayor of a town in Utah.
Yes, she is, Taylor's Will.
Yes, sir.
And I guess they were having some problems, I guess, with... They were having some poop problems.
Yeah, some poop problems.
Some sewage being sprayed on homes.
Did they ever get to the bottom of that?
No.
What she says, if you heard the show, you may remember, when they offered a $2,500 reward for the perpetrators, it suddenly ceased.
Really?
That would suggest that it was not airplanes, or maybe the airplanes have, quote, cleaned up their act.
I'm sure they would prosecute to get that money back.
The direct answer to your question is no.
They never found out where it was.
It was an amazing story.
It wasn't simple.
You couldn't load eight houses with human feces just from a little spray hose.
That's basically what happened here.
It stopped and they would love to prosecute whoever did it.
The cleanup costs were horrendous.
Oh, sure.
And one last thing, Hillion.
I know you were talking about Joyce Riley, and she was the individual I take it that is doing the investigation in the military about the anthrax vaccine?
Yes, on behalf of the American Gulf War veterans.
Right.
And I'm really glad that somebody is adamantly researching this because, you know, the human guinea pig factor with our military people, in my mind, has been going on Far too long, and I know she had mentioned on, I didn't hear the last show she was on, but the show before that I did, and the fact that, you know, basically they're not making them take the vaccine, but their careers are ruined, of course, if they don't.
And it's about... Well, yes they are making them take it.
I thought she had said that... Well, just what I said a little while ago, what's going on at 29 Palms right now.
They have, the judges ruled that it's a legal order, and so they're not prosecuting them for not taking the vaccine, they're prosecuting them for not following a legal order.
It's a fine line of difference there.
Okay, I didn't hear the, the, uh, when you, uh, mentioned that off the arc.
Okay, so that, you know, that clarifies.
Good enough?
Very good, sir.
Okay, Greg, thank you.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose, where are you calling from?
Uh, I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
Yes, sir, and your first name?
That is Matt.
Yeah, Matt, go ahead.
Hey, Ellie.
What's this we're hearing down here in Austin that your town up there is declaring martial law or trying to?
What town?
Uh, Medford, Oregon.
Is declaring martial law?
That's what we read over there on our radio station locally here just about an hour and a half ago.
I'd say it must be Medford somewhere else because... Well, let me phrase it this way.
I have heard nothing about it.
I've been here for a few days.
My engineer is a native here to Medford.
Anything in the newspaper?
No.
No, nothing at all.
They quoted the Medford paper.
That's interesting.
Thank you.
What's the name of the Medford paper?
I didn't really catch what you said.
The Medford Gazette or Tribune or something like that.
It's the Mail Tribune is the name of it.
Yeah, that's the one they said.
Well, hey man, anything is possible in this world, but we have heard nothing about it.
Why would they declare martial law for what reason?
That's what I was trying to figure out.
Okay.
You're trying to find out from Texas?
I don't know anything about it right here.
That's what I'm trying to verify.
Hey, Matt, if I find anything out about it, I'll tell you, but I think it's a rumor.
Okay?
Okay.
All right.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from?
Charleston, South Carolina.
Yeah, Charleston.
Go ahead.
What's your first name?
This is Mike.
Okay, Mike.
You're on the air.
Okay, cool.
I want to give you two theories that I have.
Well, one of them is a theory of my friends.
My theory is about aliens, what they are.
And all the alien spacecraft and everything and actually there's probably that stuff out in Nevada too.
I think it's just our U.S.
government building these spaceships and it's just our U.S.
government people in costumes or space suits or whatever doing it all and they have an excuse to do whatever experiments and everything and just say it's aliens or actually not say it's aliens but cover it up.
Well what kind of experiments are you talking about?
People being abducted from their homes and they could have some kind of license to do anything they want to do under the guise of the aliens did it.
Exactly.
That theory is as good as any other, Mike.
And well, my friend's theory is that, because we're talking about aliens and stuff, because I'm trying to work on the show, because I listen to it all the time, I deliver pizzas, and I listen to it late at night, but his theory is that aliens are evolved humans A lot of people believe that.
What we don't have, well I won't say we don't have proof.
There is so much proof out there Mike.
It's a matter of where you yourself are coming from.
What you yourself are willing to believe.
I don't disbelieve or believe.
I don't know.
I think it's all theories.
I'll listen to what anybody has to say.
Okay, well, when somebody orders a pizza and you deliver it and it turns out to be a Martian, then you'll believe, right?
That's right.
Okay, my friend.
Thank you for the call.
Hey, thanks.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from the Bay Area, California, listening to KSFO.
What's your first name?
My name is Joan, and I'd like to say I'm very concerned about the Marines going in as peacekeepers to ladle soup, etc., in Kosovo, because I I'm afraid they may not come out, or if they do come out, there may be major massacres among them, and I think we're in a very, very dangerous situation.
Well, you know, just today, the Germans, of all people, shot up some of the Yugoslavians, and because they pointed their guns at them and wouldn't put them down.
So, of course, the Germans, as always, don't take no truck out there.
No second chances.
Bam!
Just shot them dead.
Well, you know, there's 20 million Russian reserve military to our 1.5 reserve military, so we're outnumbered
if the Russians do decide to get in a tough hold of us.
Yeah, but they're so weak from not getting any food that if we can overcome it.
Well, I don't know.
Anyway, it seems to me that it's a very volatile situation.
It is.
And it may be the way that they actually got the ground war started.
This may be an excuse.
I mean, these soup-ladling ideas may actually be an excuse for starting a ground war.
So it seems highly possible that we may be in a major conflict quite soon.
I'm concerned about that.
I'm also concerned about rumors I hear that this may be in order to actually decimate our military that we've gone in.
In other words, we've already disbanded our military, you know, over what it was, and in this war we've destroyed many of our missiles that we haven't replaced.
This may be a way to destroy our ground forces so that we need a one world U.N.
Army because the United States military is now weakened.
There may be a plan to this project that they've got going.
Can I ask you a question?
One second.
I just wanted to say to you in response that your theories are just as valid as anybody else's.
What we're doing there is a deep mystery to me and certainly the President has not yet explained it as far as I'm concerned.
I wouldn't worry about our military prowess because after all we have such fearless leaders as the President and Madeleine Albright and so forth.
Can I ask you a question along that line?
The question is, what do Madeline Albright, James Woolsey, the President, Alan Greenspan,
Robert Rubin, and Colin Powell, and former Admiral William Crowe, and Casper Weinberger,
and Robert McFarlane, and William Casey, and John McCain, and Bush.
They're all part of that same group, aren't they?
What group?
I'm blocking the name right now.
They are listed in the directory, in the annual report.
They are listed as members in the annual report, except John McCain is a nominee.
Council on Foreign Relations.
Okay, I got it.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
You're on the air.
Where are you calling from, please?
This is Ira, and I'm calling from Waterville, New York.
That's in upstate New York.
It sure is.
I've been up there.
You're going to have to talk right into the phone, Ira, so everybody can hear you.
Two things.
First of all, when you talk to those Wiccans fellas, if you're not aware of it, there's an organization, or at least there was, called the Free Irk Battalion in the United States Army.
Did you ever hear of that?
No, I haven't.
Free Irk Battalion?
No, I haven't heard of it.
You ought to ring their chimes with that one.
Well, what is it?
Tell me what it is.
It's a battalion that all the members of it participate in this Wiccans thing.
I don't want to argue this now in this portion of the program, but I will say to you that there are something like seven different places, especially Fort Hood, where the Army has given the Wiccans free reign in terms of holding their practices.
Every one of the army bases takes a different name.
In other words, the Free Army Battalion.
That's some base you know of and then there are other bases that call it something else.
May I mention one other thing?
Sure.
Talking about exotic books, about 30 years ago or a little more, I started reading into what we'll call underground press or what some people might refer to as a cult.
The first book I read was The Mourning of the Magicians, also printed under Dawn of Magic.
It was written by two French nuclear physicists.
And that book totally opened my mind.
Morning of the Magicians.
Okay, I thank you for that.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Hello?
Yeah.
Is this the radio show?
This is Hilly, and this is the radio show.
Millions of people are waiting for you.
Oh, okay.
I was calling from Oregon.
You're in Redford?
Yes.
Okay, do you know anything about this?
Well, I don't know anything about actually that they've implemented it, but they have... Yeah, I've got it right here, in fact, the Emergency Powers Declaration that they're trying to put in.
Oh, well that's... As far as last I heard.
Yeah, every city has that.
Oh, well this is basically a list of things that they can go ahead and do.
I've forgotten what they call that again.
Something 21?
What's the title of that?
It's just ordinances, section 1, chapter 12.
There's a whole thing here about ecology and how they're going to change everything and martial law is going to be in place.
It is martial law.
No firearms are allowed.
Only 5 gallons of gas every 3 days.
You can't go anywhere.
All roads are subject to closure.
Under what?
Who decides that, the governor or?
City manager.
City manager.
Here.
It was, of course, not elected or anything else.
And now it's a real bum deal.
Instead of saying everybody get together and try to help each other out and try to set
up things where you go to your church or go someplace and you have to be food and water
supplies and things like that.
They're just saying that they're going to be basically these hired goons to go ahead
and implement this thing because they're not going to be the deputies or anything else
to do it.
I don't get the paper.
I read it today and I didn't see anything in it.
It might have been a couple of days back.
They took it off the agenda back in April because they had to tinker with it a little
bit, they said.
I would think so.
And then they were going to try to slip it back in there again.
So I don't know if they have or not, but this is the gist of what they had before that
they were working on.
I'm going to put it on the agenda.
And so I don't know if they have or not, but this is the gist of what they had before that
I thought this was this thing that almost every city has, where by the year 2000-2001, so I think they call it 21, you have to cut down on your total gas emissions by 50%, and it's so stringent that nobody could possibly live under it.
And therefore, if we don't, then they impose martial law.
No, this is basically just flat out Emergency powers, period.
And I'm sure what would happen next, of course, is that they would go ahead and say, well, we're worried that it will happen.
So in December, we're implementing it as a precaution.
It'll be the next thing, you know.
And so it'll just go from there.
Also, I just wanted to ask real quickly, I just heard something on our little Medford news station here, something about Korea and that they've been having gunboat fights and stuff?
Yeah, I heard it on my way in, too.
Actually, I heard it on the network news.
Yeah, what happened is that the North Koreans who are getting desperate and therefore very
dangerous are fishing in waters that South Korea claims as theirs.
And as I pointed out earlier, these guys don't fool around.
They don't just wave a flag and say, you know, like we do.
Well, we'll give you three weeks to get out of there.
What they do is they just blow them out of the water and that's what apparently happened
here.
Right, yeah, it's sort of something about a submarine being blown up or something.
That's right.
It wasn't the fishing boat that they blew up, it was the submarine because the submarine
was sent out there to protect the fishing boat.
And, you know, people don't realize how dangerous this whole situation is.
We're worried about the Kosovars over there, but we've got, what, a quarter of a million Americans on that border?
Or 355?
I've forgotten the exact number, but it's a hell of a lot.
And they're subject to being attacked at any moment, at any time.
By the North Koreans.
And now we don't have enough people to go ahead, they've said it outright, and fight a two, basically a two front war.
No, we've got troops, we've got the Navy actually over in Iraq, and you know, we're spread out all over the place, and one of these days, one of these guys is going to say, hey, you know, they're really vulnerable, which of course we are, and we've used up all of our ammunition in Kosovo, all of our stingers, and you know, All of these various items that cost a million dollars a pop, there's nothing new in the pipeline.
We're not producing goods fast enough.
So it's a very, very dangerous situation.
Very definitely, yes.
I thank you for the call, sir.
Can I ask real quick though, a very quick statement.
Everybody's worried about YPK, all this other stuff, about going out and getting guns, whatever.
Go down to the pound and get a good dog.
You know, they do adopt them anyway.
There's some nice medium-sized dogs there.
They've already grown up and they know how to sit and stay and everything else.
Like a Rottweiler?
Like a Rottweiler?
Hey, a Labrador.
Or a Chow?
A Chow.
You know, basically there's an awful lot of mixed breeds down there that are very good.
I've got a Gold Retriever, St.
Bernard, mixed with me right now.
And he's great.
Good.
And then you take him out on walks and things?
Oh, he goes out with me.
He waits in stores for me.
Everything else, yeah.
And I got him from the pound.
He's a wonderful dog.
Well, you're in Medford and I'm on my way home tonight.
I'm avoiding you, okay?
Oh, yeah.
He's happy.
He's friendly.
So are we all here, I hope.
Yeah, I hope.
All right.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
You're on the air.
Where are you calling from?
North Carolina.
Yes, sir.
What's your first name?
My name is Brian.
I have one question.
I live here in Jacksonville, North Carolina, which has the biggest amphibious base on the East Coast.
And so one of my first thoughts would be that one of the Wiccans, is that the correct way to pronounce it?
Yes, right.
OK.
That one of those would be here.
You mean one of the bases or one of the witches or what?
One of the groups.
I don't know.
One of the Wiccans?
One of the Wiccans groups?
Well, could be.
I mean, would you know?
Well, I'm just quickly trying to look at my pages here.
By the way, to that gentleman earlier who talked about the Free Earth Battalion at Fort Hood is called the Open Circle.
And let's see here.
I'll find it in a second.
I don't recall that there is anyone in that particular area short of Fort Hood.
Oh, here we go.
Fort Polk in Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, and Fort Barrancas in Florida.
So, and there's a high priest that's just been approved in Germany, and another has applied for Kosovo.
So, those are the only areas, and why would you think that a Wiccan, because these Wiccans, as I understand it, don't cast spells.
Right.
Well, I mean, to be honest with you, I am a hardcore Southern Baptist, and this is a predominantly Southern Baptist area, but like I was saying, you know, this is the biggest amphibious base I don't know if there's one.
As I understand it, in this one group, Covenant of the Goddess, there are 50,000 Wiccans across America.
of religion in this town is so diverse I didn't know that if there was one here or not.
Well I don't know if there's one. As I understand it, in this one group, Covenant of the Goddess,
there are 50,000 Wiccans across America. Now there are probably other groups as well.
And so, you know, I'm sure there probably is.
Are you looking to find one?
Well, I just didn't know.
I mean, it's kind of curious, you know.
I mean, I guess it's curiosity peaking in my mind to know that because, I mean, this town that I live in, it's a growing community.
It's not a very big one.
In fact, it's under a million in population size, but yet it's I mean, we thrive off of the base.
That's where all of our business comes from.
That's where all of our industry comes from.
That's where everything comes from that we do have in this county.
I'm just wondering if that exists here.
It's almost like it's still the morality base in this community still exists, but yet I don't want to say that that group is not moral by any sense.
Yeah, let's find out more about them in the next hour before we start.
Well, I mean, I'm not trying to judge them by any means.
I just didn't know, like, if that... I know this community is diverse, but I didn't know if it was... The answer to your question, Brian, is probably because they're everywhere.
Okay.
Thank you, sir.
Yeah.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Birmingham, Alabama.
Yes, ma'am.
And your first name?
Angela.
Yes, Angela.
Go ahead.
Did I extinguish my radio?
I don't extinguish it, just turn it down.
Okay.
I'm talking to your phone.
Alright.
You had a lady call and I think she was asking you about David Talbert's phone number.
Yes, she did.
Okay, well I have it.
It's 1-800 what?
1-800 what? 2-3-0-9-3-4-7. 1-800-230-9347. Right.
230-9347.
You're a kind and gentle person, Angela, for letting us know.
Thank you.
I have a question.
Sure.
I had sent you a fax April 21st regarding a potential guest, Glenda Green.
I have no idea.
You sent it to me or to Art?
I sent it to you.
I faxed it at 888-226-4430.
No, our fax numbers don't have eights on them.
I don't know where you sent it.
Our fax number here is 541-664-8261.
Wait a minute, 541?
That's the area code, 664-8261.
8261.
And I'll be very glad to look at it.
Okay, since you mentioned you were having a guest along the lines of Glenn Kimball, she also has a lot to say about Jesus.
She was a painter.
And she was commissioned to do a portrait of Jesus, and he actually appeared to her during the course of the painting, and also began to have conversations with her.
And she has transcribed that into a book, and I have heard her speak many times.
she's been in contact with Dr. Hal Putoff, the University of Texas Physics Department.
Right, I certainly am.
Yes, because he acquired information about the creation of the universe that she could possibly...
Okay, well Angela, I'm not a physicist.
Send me the fax of the number I gave you and I certainly will evaluate it.
I thank you very much.
I tell you, I get more suggestions from folks and I do act on those that I can.
Just because I suggest somebody doesn't mean that I'm going to rush them onto a major program like this one.
However, I certainly do evaluate everything in church.
All of your emails and your questions.
That's it for this hour.
We'll get to the Wiccans in the next hour.
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Wishing you a kind and gentle night We have a little bit of business left over from the last
hour And that is I'm reading directly here from a news report
report.
The South Korean military ships sank a North Korean torpedo boat and badly damaged a second during a 10-minute firefight in disputed waters off the west coast of the Korean Peninsula.
So I just wanted to set the record straight on that.
That is specifically what did occur.
And in this portion of the program, well before I even do that, Well, we're going to talk about the Wiccans, I'll tell you that.
I want to mention to you that I have a new email address, which is going to be a lot easier to remember.
It's hilly, with a y, h-i-l-l-y at hillyrose.com.
And I want to thank Keith Rowland of the Art Bell Newsletter for, not newsletter, I'm sorry, the Art Bell webpage.
I was thinking about the newsletter because there's a new one coming out.
But Keith Rowland runs a wonderful webpage of arts which really brings you up to date on just about everything.
He has links to just about everything.
And I want to mention once again that I will be on the X-Zone show which emanates in Canada off of CKTB and dominates New York, Pennsylvania and a lot of other places.
What's the real Hilly Roads about?
Well, we'll find out.
I don't know, but I know myself.
Can't wait to hear what questions they're going to ask me.
Anything else we need to talk about?
Tables open.
Oh, okay.
In that case, let's talk about the Wiccans.
Wiccans are witches.
What's a witch?
We'll find that out in just a little bit.
They have, the reason that even held my attention is because of the controversy that has come up as the Army has approved the Fort Hood Open Circle as its first official Wiccan group.
That was two summers ago, by the way.
And Fort Hood has given them a grassy campsite for their sacred grounds, sanctioned their choice of high priestess, even lent them an army chaplain for moral support.
This now has spread beyond Fort Hood.
It's now in Fort Polk, Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force Base in Okinawa, Fort Barrancas in Florida, a high priestess was just approved in Germany, and another has applied on the I've got a couple of faxes here saying, oh boy, oh boy, we're going to talk about Wiccans.
Do you realize, or you wouldn't say what you're saying, that there is a resurgence of interest in witchcraft, particularly amongst teenage girls, in a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls.
The top 60 interests of teenage girls.
Witches are number one.
It's the fastest-growing spiritual practice in the United States.
It should say something to you, friends.
It should say, if you don't know what the Wiccans are all about, you'd better.
With the interest today and what's going on with the youth of America, and if that's the fastest-growing interest of teenage girls, well, I think we'd better spend some time on it and see what's going on.
By the way, men make up about 40% of the membership, so it's not just girls.
Lots to learn tonight.
There are some 50,000 Wiccans across America.
That's a lot.
That's a lot.
It's a sub-religion, according to the military, along with the Jews and the Mohammeds.
That's not the word I was looking for.
The Muslims.
So, there's a lot to be learned and a lot's going on right under your nose that you may not know anything about.
Before the evening is over, you may want to become a witch yourself, or you may not want to become a witch.
Witch is your choice.
So, we will be talking, in just a moment, to the Reverend or Lady Amber Maeve, High Priestess of the Grove of the Winged Scarab.
The Covenant of the Goddess.
right after these words.
Billy Rose here for Art Bell and it is my pleasure to welcome to the program Lady Amber Maeve
Shemansky by Priestess Grove of the Wounded Scarab.
Uh, when I talked with you earlier, you said you were Lady Ambermaid.
Which is the proper designation?
Lady or Reverend?
Actually, it makes it sound very, very proper and very, very British, which is where it comes from, and it's the Reverend and Lady.
Say that again?
Reverend and Lady?
Right.
It's written out as The Reverend Lady.
Oh, The Reverend Lady.
Right.
Then it goes into the actual name of the person.
It's a title.
In some ways similar to Mother Superior.
The head of a nursing dorm, things like that.
We're mama.
Okay.
I have...
Help me out here.
I don't want to have to keep saying...
Please call me Amber.
Okay.
That cuts right through it, doesn't it, Amber?
We did get to the point.
All right.
Yeah.
Let's not have any of this other who-do stuff.
I'm not going to spend the whole evening on this, believe me, Amber.
But I would like to find out, or at least just get it out in the open and get it behind us,
and then let's get on with what WICNs are all about.
Congressman Robert Barr wrote to the General at Fort Hood saying, quote, what's next?
Will armored divisions be forced to travel with sacrificial animals for satanic rituals?
Will reciferiums demand the inclusion of ritualistic marijuana, cigarettes, and their rations?
I understand he had a town meeting and you went down there and told him what for, is that right?
I am unfortunately one of his constituents.
He is supposedly my representative and he sure isn't doing it.
And I wanted him to know that there are true witches out there.
We are not the Hollywood stand.
We don't have green faces, hoardy nose, black sprigly hair.
We are very serious about this.
It is our religion.
It is not a toy for us.
It's not something that we do once a week, or once a month, or only during the full moon.
This is something you live with 365 days a year, 24 hours a day.
It is a living... Well, we lost the Reverend Lady Amber May.
And I accidentally unplugged, apparently my phone can't fly back, it's quite as fast as I can.
Okay, well you're back on the air now.
Okay.
You were saying, and I'm sorry, I want to pick up the train of thought.
Certainly.
That this is a, this is something, can we call it a religion?
Almost certainly, sir.
Okay.
Therefore, it is a religion that you live 365 days a year and on leap year 366.
Yeah.
And sometimes it feels like more.
I'm sure.
But this is what you said to Congressman Barr.
And what was his response?
He had no response, sir.
He has yet to respond to it.
He has yet to respond to my request for an appointment with him.
Well, I thought you went down to the town meeting.
I was at the town meeting.
It was the only way I could get near him.
As a constituent, I have the right to schedule an appointment and meet with my representative, I believe.
But I certainly haven't heard a word.
I am still going to pursue it, though.
We don't want to be strident.
We do not want to be seen as attacking Anyone else's religion?
We do not proselytize.
That means we don't go out.
Stand on the street corners.
We do not hand out literature.
We don't go, come little kitty, let me show you all this neat power I can give you.
No, no, no.
There is not a grove or coven that I am aware of that will accept a child under 18.
Most of them are 21, but I think I know one that's 18.
Without the written permission You are absolutely correct, Amber.
custodial or not, and without discussing the religion, the teachings of the child will
be learning with the custodial parent.
Before we get into all of that, help me out here just a little bit.
You are absolutely correct, Amber.
My idea of a witch is the Wicked Witch of the West or the Wicked Witch of the East from
Dorothy and Oz.
They're wearing pointy black hats and big broad brims, and the bad ones melt down and
the good ones stay.
You're going to be disappointed.
No, I'm not disappointed.
I'm just saying, like most Americans, that is my idea of a witch.
My question to you is, why are you called witches?
What does the word witch mean?
The original word, as far as we can trace it linguistically, there is some dispute on
this, comes from an Anglo-Saxon word which means wise one.
This was applied with chi, or with ki, to men and with ka to women.
Are you using the word chi as we all use that word?
With ki.
W-I-C-C-E.
Oh, I see.
It's the suffix.
Yeah, suffix.
W-I-C-C-E.
Of wit.
It meant wise man or wise woman.
This was your priest or priestess of the village, your healer, your deviner, the one who called
in your animals, etc.
you you
We have people who died for this name.
And you are talking about centuries past?
Centuries past and coming up.
I haven't gotten a report of a death within a quote-unquote civilized country.
I don't believe in about the past ten years or so.
I don't think so.
Every day they lose their jobs as soon as it is found out that they are a witch.
So what really is being said is that if they are a witch they are a wise person?
That is what it means.
That is how we use it.
There is one other new age religion that uses the word witch that we are very, very, very
much opposed to and we might as well get this out of the way and behind us too.
have called the Church of Satan of the First Temple of Set.
Is that Anton LaVey's church?
That's Anton LaVey and Aquino.
Michael Aquino.
Who happens to be in the military and a lieutenant colonel.
Which I think Mr. Boss should be cognizant of.
They use the word rich for any female practitioner.
This is incorrect usage just as most of their other practices are.
They are a reverse Christianity.
They are out to degrade and defame anything that is not holy, predominantly by Christians, but innately by everyone who truly shares the spiritual belief.
Because when you degrade or defile another's religious items, you defile your own as well.
That's the way we feel.
This thought just occurred to me.
It isn't relevant to anything I'm sure.
We all know that Adolf Hitler persecuted gays and people, gypsies, along with the Jews.
What about the Wiccans?
Did he have anything against the Wiccans?
Did they suffer under Nazi Germany?
We didn't use the name then, but yes, there were some of us that did die in the camp.
Just because you were Wiccans?
Just because we were different.
We did not bow to the same gods.
We did not live the same way.
We don't have proof during that period of time, by name, exactly who of us was there, because we were so far underground then, it would be hard to find us.
We started coming out of our little snug little broom closet with Gerald Gardner, and that was back in, oh, the fifties in England.
Sixty-fourth over here.
It's not been long since we have been... If you didn't know that you were rich, Before 1960.
You might have been back of a Martin Luther King.
You would have been put way in the back of a bus.
Or dragged by it.
But witchcraft, as I understand it, is a pre-Judeo-Christian religion.
It is.
And does it go back to the Druids?
How far back does it go?
Well, the Druids, um, it goes back at least as far as the Druids, we believe, at least a portion of it.
Realize, because of how we had to dust and cover, It's difficult to keep any proof, tangible, physical proof.
Most of what we have is reconstruction using the pictographs that we find buried in the caves, comparing them with paintings that we know come from aboriginal peoples that we have some idea about, and bringing it up through the sociology anthropology side.
This is not considered proof per se by everyone, but it's more proof than some of us have or
need because we know.
I know how that sounds.
But it's the same thing as asking a Christian, how do you know that Jesus Christ lived?
I know.
It's the same sort of thing.
It's a belief.
Okay.
Why do you believe?
Because we're coming down to the end of this half hour and then we come out on the other
I want to get a full description of what Wiccans believe in, what their existence is all about, what is their belief, and why people look askance at it.
I realize those who are Christians say, well, you're not Christian, so obviously you're wrong.
Jews say, well, you're not Jewish, so therefore you're wrong.
Muslims say you're not Muslim, so you're wrong.
I'm sure you haven't answered this.
You heard me say earlier that in a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, which is our number one?
We're not confusing this with the Goths now.
The Goths are something else entirely.
Right.
Completely.
Completely.
The new age is coming to its own.
That's why this Heart Belt Program is so big in this country.
Oh, it's such a blessing here in Atlanta.
And I'm telling you, so I understand it, but why do you believe that now suddenly it is really taking off, particularly amongst women or girls?
Why this religion now at this time that has been around for ages and ages and ages?
Why now?
It has never been in a place where it could truly empower women before.
Now it is.
This is a matriarchal, matriarchal religion.
We have men.
I have my working partner.
There's also my husband and best friend and the person who's decided to keep me up tonight.
But I am the one that initially, or ultimately, must make the final decisions and accept the final responsibility for myself and my growth.
Each person, of course, accepts their own responsibility.
But the female carries the double responsibility for both herself I'm going to ask you that question.
Is a male a witch and a female is a witch?
Yes, a witch is a witch no matter which.
Okay, but that's because it means wise one, and so the birth of you can be wise.
Exactly, and he is quite wise.
The one that you hear most commonly given from men, warlock, is one of the most I think I've got the message.
insults you can give to a human. It is the equivalent of being excommunicated from the
Catholic Church or for someone in the Jewish faith to sit Shiva on you when you're still
alive. Okay. I think I've got the message. Yeah, warlocks are not nice people. You know,
they're literally oath breakers. But it goes a little deeper most times.
The oath has to be very bad for you to really want to put somebody that far away from you to not even exist.
Okay, so the direct answer to the question then as we come down to the end of this half hour is that women are going to this religion because... They're empowered.
It empowers them as women.
Exactly.
I got the message.
Now, coming back, we will talk about what that really means to empower a woman.
So, you stay there, please, and, pardon me, make me cough wherever you see.
You gave me a bad vibe.
We will continue here, our discussions, with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shemansky, and find out a lot more about this strange, well, strange to most of us, not strange to them, The strange religion which is growing rapidly and in the military particularly.
So you stay right where you are.
I will stay where I am.
And the Reverend Lady Amber May will stay where she is.
We will continue right here on the Art Bell Program.
I am Hilly Rose on Coast to Coast AM.
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She's got a cat on thirty-fourth of mine, Selling little apples,
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Art will be back with you tomorrow night.
I have a new email.
I think I may have mentioned it already.
It's hilly.hillyrose.com and our fax number is 541-664-8261.
Our phones have been ringing off the hook just since we have been on the air with this program and I tell everybody that we will not, not get to phone calls in this half hour.
We'll get to phone calls in the next hour.
So, of course, once you've got a line, you'll never get back in.
I do realize that.
So, you're just going to have to let it ring and put the phone down and eventually we will get to you.
We are talking about WICNs.
There's a lot to be said about what the WICNs are doing and their, the fact that they in effect have come out of the closet and might be an example for a lot of other type folks who might want to come out of the closet.
So we'll talk more about that with the Reverend Lady Ambermaid Chemanski right after this.
Here we are continuing our conversation with the Reverend Lady Ambermaid Chemanski who
is High Priestess, Grove of the Wind Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
Amber, does that make you a pretty high poohbah in the movement, like the Pope is in the Catholic Church?
Nah, just a little bitty tiny fish in a relatively big pond.
Well a high priestess sounds like big stuff here.
A high priestess is one who has her and is managing her own grove.
That means keeping it running, making sure that the monthly rituals are done.
We worship each new moon and the initiates worship each full moon within our tradition.
Then I have classes that I'm currently on sabbatical until the 18th of July.
That I teach every week for seekers, those who aren't real sure what's out there, but they're curious and they want to know what it's about.
And that way we can let them hear what we are, understand what we are, without them having to make a commitment of joining or anything.
Then we have our neophyte class, which is the class that you go into after the seeker class.
And then up the hill aways you get your initiate classes.
Okay, and Covenant of the Goddess is the overall?
Covenant of the Goddess is an international organization of very independent Wiccans and Witches.
Okay, I just wanted to understand what all this relates to.
I am their public information officer.
Okay, I have one other question before we get back to empowerment, and that is, help me out here.
You know, I, along with millions of other Americans, watch Saturday Night Live and we see them spooking the Goths.
Separate yourself here from the Goths.
Who are the Goths and how do they differ from the Wiccans?
Because they also have, you know, sort of secret kind of stuff and they wear dark clothing.
You know, I just don't... Explain it to me.
Well, I wish I had explained it to you thoroughly because I don't understand it thoroughly, but to my best understanding, Essentially, Anne Rice, gone one step further.
Vampire Mystique, the very pale, the very nihilistic, red, stark lip makeup, both male and female, dark eye makeup, both male and female, usually long hair, usually dark, either wearing Renaissance clothing, and usually affecting a pointy ring, if they got the money, because those things are expensive.
They basically are more of the vampires and thought and the fact that I'm not really going to die but everybody else around me is.
I'll just sit back here and watch it.
Of course, we all know how that related to Columbine.
Let's move along here because there's so much to cover.
Well, there just is.
I don't understand it all.
Now, we were talking about the fact that the Wiccans are in a poll of the top 60 interests
of teenage girls, which is their number one.
You say it's because it's empowering.
Let's talk about this empowerment.
What does that mean?
Most women have been taught that they must be supported by someone else, that they are
innately dumber, less capable of organizing, less able to make their own choices than,
unfortunately, the other part of our genders.
We'll see you next time.
Men, on the other hand, have been taught they must be overpowering, dominating, in order to show off their he-man egos.
We have a more balanced attitude within the WCAG.
The women are expected to be strong.
The women are expected to be able to stand on their own two feet.
Doesn't mean our men go away and hide.
They stand back there and wait for us to say, excuse me, would you please go up here and slug this dude?
Women are allowed to be strong.
We are allowed to run our own businesses.
We are allowed to run our own lives.
We are not the handmaiden to anybody.
We just get hard-hearted and we get According to my husband, they're getting more and more of us in the Society for Difficult Women.
Well, do you have to join the Wiccans for that?
Can't you just join the women's movement?
Actually, my husband is an initiate.
He really impressed the lady one night, our Queen Mother, and she decided that he and my High Priestess, the Lady Galadriel, husband should be members and so there are two members in
the Society for Difficult Women.
Honorary members I've just been told.
Okay, but I'm trying to, I asked you a direct question.
No.
For empowerment couldn't you just join the women's movement?
Sure, you could.
But it doesn't give you another strength to draw upon.
The only strength that the Christian culture allows women to focus on that really gives
them the sense of their womanhood is a very, very biased idea of Mary.
And if you notice how frequently she's beginning to show up, guys.
I'm sorry, show up in what way?
We're having Marian visions show up all over the world.
Conures.
Mary pops up.
What I believe people are seeing is not... is energy.
It's the female energy that tries to nurture.
It tries to teach mankind to be kind.
And the only way that our culture can readily accept this loving energy is to see it in the form of a woman.
And Mary is the only acceptable woman.
In the Christian religion.
And that's what the majority of this country is based on.
You'll notice in the Latino countries, it is a stronger vision.
It calls more people.
You will find the same sort of vision and experience they're having in Conyers would not be as intense as you go northern.
Now you keep mentioning Conyers, that was the last... I'm sorry, Conyers, Georgia.
Yeah, I understood that, but that's where the shooting was, where the youngster shot six of his fellow... What is his vision though?
I have not heard that.
There has been, up until two months ago I believe, on the 13th of every month, a vision of Mary shows up.
In Conyers?
In Conyers at a lady's house.
There is an energy flow there.
There is nothing to be denied on that.
What it is, I don't know.
I know it is something that feels to me very real, but it's a subjective feeling.
Let me move along here to something else if I can.
I understand that Wiccans prefer to conduct their rituals sky clad, that means naked.
I understand that you use Athenes, I can't know if that's... Athamis.
Athamis, okay, those are like nine inch daggers.
Oh, it depends on how much money you have.
Oh, okay, I guess you've got to be a rich Wiccan.
You got it.
A rich witch has long blades.
Now, that kind of ritualistic, well maybe you could describe for me, maybe this would be of interest, when Wiccans get together and they dance around a bonfire or use these various things, what's that all about?
When you go to church and you stand up there and sing your anthems and have your communion, what's that all about?
It's all about a belief.
Same thing.
We, nine times out of ten, do not worship Skyclad.
That is because this culture has so inculcated it into people that make it as sex, that it is still back there in the mind.
We have not exercised it yet.
And the other thing is, we don't want people distracted from why they're there.
Just by, you know, a lot of naked skin going around.
If you were up in a nudist colony, that would be different.
But we want people more concentrating inward.
The object of being sky-clad is to make you all as one.
All equal.
We find that because of our culture, it is more equal for us all to wear robes of the same color, of approximately the same design, But nothing that would stand out and clash.
It's as if you have a field of flowers there.
But no predominance that would draw your eye.
Okay, as for the 9 foot blade, I wish.
9 foot or 9 inches?
I'm sorry, 9 inches.
Okay.
My actual blade is 8 inches.
On my Sammy.
It is very sharp.
It is very pointed.
And if it ever draws any blood other than my own, I have to destroy it.
Yeah!
Now, I built the hilt for that Athenae.
It's built out of black horn, a molded silver grip with two crystals in it, and a garnet for my birthstone inlaid in the hilt.
Ain't no way I'm going to tear up that blade.
And I inserted the blade and consecrated it.
The Athenae, while it looks mean and nasty, It's never used in actuality.
It is the symbol of your will.
This is what you would channel the force with, if I can drop into a Star Wars vernacular.
This is where the energy flows through to give you a fine point.
Through the athene?
Right.
You can also use your two fingers.
But the athene gives you a more visual point, particularly for a beginner.
You said something about if it draws any blood other than your own, you have to destroy it.
Yeah.
We indicated earlier that there are any numbers of Wiccan groups in the military, and they are sent off to kill people.
They don't go without an FMA.
No, I realize that.
But it isn't... I mean, somewhere Reddit... Do no harm, I think was what I was looking for here.
Yeah, that's exactly what you're looking for, the Wiccan Read.
By the Wiccan laws ye must, in perfect harm and perfect trust, a word the Wiccan Read fulfill, and ye harm none.
Do what ye will, lest in thy self-defense it be, and ever mind the rule of three.
Follow this with mind and heart, and merry will meet, and merry will part.
Most people leave out the last part, lest in thy self-defense it be.
Well then how do the folks in the military reconcile their religion with the fact that they may have to go to Kosovo or someplace like that and kill people?
Less than my self-defense would be.
Just as self-defense?
Yes.
So it depends, what is self-defense?
It is self-defense and it is also loyalty to your clan, to your tribe, to your country.
The Wicca have an extremely loyal clan feel.
When someone is under attack, it's like one of your distant family members is being attacked.
That's why everybody is so outraged about the Fort Hood episode.
It's not just us.
It's not just our immediate cousins or bros.
It's how dare they?
This is a religion.
This is a belief.
Okay.
You got me off on a high horse.
Yeah, that's alright.
We need to know what it's all about.
Now, if I can just spend the next few minutes talking a little bit about what is believed here.
Now, most Wiccans worship Mother Earth and Father Sky.
And also there are three things that Wiccans... there's salt and water and one other thing.
Oil?
I'm guessing.
I don't know.
I just... Well, we worship the mother and the father, the male and the female.
That is the Division just before you go back to the all, which is everybody combined, and you can't quite understand that.
No one can.
That's why we have to divide it.
But we believe, or accept, the earth as our mother, because that is where our nurturing comes from.
This is where we get our fruits.
This is where our ancestors saw life come from, out of apparent nothingness.
However, our ancestors weren't really, really dumb.
They did notice That the birthing began right about the time the sun started getting noticeably higher in the sky, which had to make him the father.
That was after they figured out that connection.
Our earlier man also did not quite figure out the connection between loving someone and having a baby nine months later.
So to them, life was a beautiful, wonderful mystery and it came from the mother earth,
from the father sun.
And that's how babies were born.
Fascinating, isn't it?
Be scared of that, kids.
I guess.
I guess.
From there, ancient man took the concept of the mother, or the female earth, and broke
it down into more and more little bits and pieces as they had need, much like has been
done in some of the Christian churches with various saints.
Thank you very much.
They did the same thing with the God figure.
And they occasionally switched them.
In the Orient you will find quite a few Sun Goddesses.
And you will find several within the Egyptian Pantheon.
As well as Earth Gods.
All of this depends on what tradition that you follow.
Much of what I'm telling you is from my tradition.
And you're saying there are various factions within the Wiccans?
Oh yes!
It's just like Protestants.
You've got the Georgians.
You've got the Alexandrians.
You've got the Gardnerians who swore they were the first.
You've got the Dwarf of the Day of the Nun.
Church of Iron Oak.
I'm running out.
Yes, but going back to Mother and Father, which is the goal of perfect balance?
What does that mean, perfect balance?
That is the ideal we aspire for.
That means to walk with insight upon the balance of the wheel.
That makes a lot of sense too, doesn't it?
Understand ourselves as well as those around us.
To balance those understandings and to try to walk a non-intrusive life, much as you would look at and then, within our own known path.
That's why it takes so much meditation to walk this path.
We rarely succeed to a perfect balance.
We always tend to wobble one way or the other.
But what we expect of every initiate is when they see themselves leaning, or perhaps, too much toward jealousy, to limit it, accept it, and consciously pull back toward a more objective center.
We'll stop right there at the more objective center, because we have to come to an end in this portion.
We have another three hours here to develop, so don't worry about it.
We'll get everything out.
And we will also open our phone lines.
A lot of people have a lot of questions about the Wiccans, the Goodwitches.
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Subject of the evening is Wiccans, witches.
And I wanted to hark back to a little earlier this morning.
We had a lady calling us about, I guess, the book of the man we were talking about on Greenland
yesterday, which was Worlds in Collision.
That was the name of the book.
And I suggested that she might get a copy of it from Powell's.
And somebody kindly sent me a fax saying that my memory did serve me well.
It was Powell's City of Books in Portland, Oregon.
And you get them on email at ping at powells dot Portland.org.us.
That's the phone number.
Total free, 800-878-7323.
World's Inclusion was a huge bestseller years ago, and I'm sure that they will have any number of copies or know how to get them.
And, let's see, what else do I need to tell you?
I have a new email number.
I'll tell you that.
It is hilly at hillyrose.com.
And I do read all your emails.
Let's see, what else here?
I guess that's about it.
Our fax number is 541-664-8261.
We'll get back to the Reverend Lady Amber Maid Shemansky, High Priestess, Robe of the
Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess, right after this.
The subject tonight is the Wiccans.
We're talking with the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shemansky.
Amber, a couple, three things.
One is I got a fax here from somebody saying the definition of the word witch is to bend or shape.
In other words, like water, which is the dowsing rod bends over water.
As I said, there are various Definitions because we are going back so far.
This is the main one that they used to use to also verify the word.
It ends up meaning the same thing because it ends up meaning to bend things to one's will, which would give you a very similar meaning.
What we're aiming to bend to our will is our lower appetite usually.
To get rid of it.
I'm not to get rid of it so much as to make it do what we say.
I see.
So your mind controls.
Right.
We believe in moderation and we believe that you control what you do.
It's not the devil made to do it.
I found the quote that I was looking for when I asked you earlier about what the Wiccans
celebrate and it says here, and you can tell me I'm wrong, they celebrate earth spirits
such as the great goddess Freya and on their altars give blessings to water, bread and
salt the three essentials of life while the congregation holds hands in a circle around
a large bonfire.
Fascinating.
Is that true or not?
Not for my tradition, but it may be for some of the Nordic traditions.
Again, it's very individual.
Our circles can look very much like A revival meeting is that everybody is wearing dresses.
We have communion.
We have singing and joyous noise made.
We raise the power.
You do all those same things at a revival meeting.
Then you bring it down and you hug and kiss everybody and you feel all very, very good and you usually go out and have dinner.
That's what we do.
I will admit to you the story that I was reading from is out of the United Kingdom, it's out of Britain, so that may be that they are a little bit different there.
Oh yes, but we do have some that probably celebrate the same way here in the United States, probably some here in Georgia.
Now when we were discussing your title of the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve, you said that probably was handed down from Britain, so does this religion stem from Britain or is it Well, it depends on how far back you go.
What we believe happened, and again, this is subject to discussion and controversy, we believe that this religion was in its formulative beginnings back as far as the beginning of the Aryan invasions which were the very beginnings of Babylon.
The Assyrians, they came up over through Turkey and then started coming down into the Mediterranean and then over into the Celtic lands.
The Celts made a tremendous push through the North European countries and segmented, split, went around, adopted tribal gods here, tribal gods here, put everybody together The older people realized that the different names weren't different gods or goddesses.
They were just that particular tribe's name for this aspect that they called this.
Look at Ares and Mars.
Venus and Aphrodite.
Those are the most common ones.
This happened all the way around.
So, we have people who celebrate with Egyptian traditions.
We have people who work with Celtic traditions.
We have people who work with Nordic.
We have people who work with Otharian, going back into the Britain tradition.
We have some over here that incorporate the Native American traditions.
Some of it is what we would say, quote unquote, purer than others.
That doesn't mean anything particularly, except they say more in one pantheon than they would mix and match.
The majority of Coventer girls that I know of mix and match with great abandon.
If they have need for prosperity, they're going to call on the goddess Fortuna before they're going to call on the goddess Hecate.
Even if that happened to be the goddess of their temple.
You know, you don't call on somebody who's going to bring choice and death and questions and all this other stuff when you do what's long green.
It's like calling on a saint.
Exactly.
So that's why you have different ones.
I had a caller in the very first hour of the program who said she knew all kinds of Wiccans.
I'm asking you to verify this or say no.
There were all kinds of Wiccans.
There were good Wiccans.
And the majority of Wiccans were really very good people, but there were a few who were not good Wiccans and who said incantations to get back at people or to influence in a negative way.
Is that true or not?
Yep.
It's true?
It's true.
Do the Christians have Jim Jones?
Or had?
Did they have David Koresh?
Everybody's got their few bad apples.
We try to read the Bible.
We don't always succeed.
We do not have any common law that we can actually use to stop them.
All we can use to actually stop someone who is inappropriately using their power or position, usually it's a position, is to expose them.
Expose them within the community.
Expose them as far around the community as you can.
Within the laws of slander or libel.
So that at least babies who are going to be beginning classes will have an idea that this may not be exactly what they're looking for.
Granted, this isn't a great way of doing it, but it's about the only thing we've done is come up with so far, that and having various places that you can go to inquire if there are any classes going on and who is safe to go to and who isn't.
Well, the implication here was that these negative wiccans or witches had the power to say incantations and do dreadful things to people.
They might think they do.
The majority of them don't.
But you say there are apparently some that do.
Dear, magic is ruled by will, by strength.
If these people have that much determination, They're going to make changes.
They're going to cause things to happen that would not happen under common circumstances.
They're what we call the dark workers.
Then you've got the majority of workings out there, at least the majority that I know, and they're called the light workers.
This is one of the things we do when we're working.
It's kind of like you do a little bit of a police force action.
You go out and make sure everything's cool in your neighborhood.
I know that sounds cavalier, but we kind of have to have that attitude.
You're being very forthright here, and I appreciate it very much.
People have been hanging on for hours here, so may I please take some calls now?
I hope they're friendly.
Well, understand, we do not stream these calls.
Oh, good.
Therefore, I have the slightest idea of what these people have to say, and you seem perfectly capable of responding to almost anybody.
Let me try one answer right now, which we're going to get all evening long.
Okay.
It says in the Bible, Thou shalt not suffer a wish to live.
Hey, you!
That is an incorrect translation.
According to my friends in linguistics, the actual quotation is, Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner of the water to live.
In other words, if you poison the water in the desert, we're going to kill you back.
All right, B. Well, that was Exodus 22-18.
There's another quote of Exodus, another one out of Deuteronomy, but I rather imagine you'll hear from that as we move along.
I usually do.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Onalaska, Wisconsin.
Yes, go ahead.
And your first name?
Jesse.
Jesse, you go right ahead.
Thank you.
First of all, hello Haley and nice to meet you Amber.
Hello.
I just have one comment and a question and then I will hang up.
In 1972 I purchased, my dentures are coming out here, I purchased a book by Anton LaVey called the Satanic Bible.
I did white witchcraft and believe you me it does work.
I had 14 proposals.
But it only lasted three weeks.
And then somebody told me, white witchcraft is as bad as black witchcraft.
So I burned the book.
Well, that was good.
Okay.
And then I'd like to know from you, Amber, and the Wiccan, or what you're into, is there
a book or phone number or anything that you've written that I can buy or purchase?
And I'll hang up and let you take over.
Okay, thank you.
I think the question here, and I've been expecting that all evening.
You know, this is a program that's heard throughout the world, mainly in the United States and Canada, and many, many other places.
So, people are going to say, who are interested, maybe you piqued their interest.
How do I find out more about Wiccans?
I think this is the time for you to give us a very straightforward answer.
You're in Atlanta, so you're, you know, head of a coven there, but that doesn't help somebody in Montana or California or somewhere else.
No, what I would advise them to do first is to, if they're anywhere near a large city, is to go there and pick up their yellow pages and look under books.
Find a metaphysical bookstore.
See if you can find a copy of the Spiral Dance, Rebirth of the Religion of the Great Goddess, and that's by... We lose again?
Nope, I just went blank!
That's by Starhawk.
I'm sorry Starhawk, I really am.
Okay, it's got the Spiral Dance by Starhawk.
Uh-huh.
It was the first truly seminal book of the Rebirth of the Goddess.
It has got Exclamation in there, it's got some stuff that I use for my classes, giving due credit because this is a wonderful lady.
But it's very readable as well.
The other one that I am particularly fond of is Drawing Down the Moon by Margo Adler.
She is a commentator on Fall Things Considered with NPR and the book that she wrote And it was back in 79, it has been updated, was a information about the New Age in general.
There's various groups in there and Wicca and Paganism being one of them.
The best thing to do with one of Anton LaVey's books, as much as I really hate to do this because I'm not a book burner, is you don't want babies to get their hands on it because They're basically booby-trapped to make you look like an idiot.
Okay, that's I think a separate subject.
Okay.
We're trying to focus now on people... Oh, that was just the book.
How, you know, if I live in Paducah, Kentucky, in fact there was a man who called me from Jacksonville, North Carolina, wanted to know if there were any Wiccans in his area.
How do you find out?
Okay, the best way to do that is if you have got a computer, anywhere, in your hand.
Go to it.
You can pull up Wicca.
Don't pull up all of Wicca.
That can sometimes get you some strange things.
Is www.wicca?
No, go in and, uh, in your search engines.
Oh, okay.
Okay?
Or, I'll send you to my very, very favorite one.
There's a place called the Magical Cauldron, and it can loop you with almost anybody you want.
It also happens to be the website of one of my children, so I do have a vested interest, knowing it's well-maintained.
And that address is www.magicalkaldron, all one word, k-a-l-d-r-e-n.
I rather imagine that website is going to be mighty busy tonight.
Let's take another call here.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Las Vegas.
Yes, sir.
Your name?
Tony.
Tony.
All right, Tony.
Go ahead.
How are you doing, Hilly?
I'm well, Amber.
Hi.
Amber, I've got a few questions for you.
What does your covenant think of President Clinton?
That seems to be a political, not religious question.
You can answer it or not as you choose, Amber.
I have no idea what my growth thinks about it.
It's not my business.
How about you personally?
Well, I don't think that's a reasonable question, Tony.
Okay, I'll go on with my next two questions.
Is there any way a Wiccan can travel out of body, and if so, why is it practiced?
It is practiced when you are doing meditative states.
It is practiced in order to achieve more insight, usually within yourself.
So it is practiced?
It depends on various people's interpretation.
There's no way I can ever prove that it is.
There's no way you can ever prove it isn't.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you, Tony.
Thank you.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Toledo, Ohio.
Yes.
Go ahead.
What's your first name?
My name is Jackie.
Okay, Jackie.
And I'm calling because I wanted to ask a question.
Well, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
Oh, I'm on the air.
Anyway, hello, Lady Amber.
Hello.
It's nice to speak with you.
I don't know if you're familiar with the author Lori Cabot.
Yes.
I read her book when I was 14 years old because I was very interested, and I can't even say why I was interested, I guess with the whole magical euphemism or whatever, you know, the idea of being able to practice magic if it did so in fact exist.
I found her book to be very informative and she doesn't really talk in detail about, I guess, the things that are practiced as far as... Jackie, I've got ten seconds.
What did you want to ask?
Well, I wanted to ask exactly how would I go about contacting somebody in relevance to the certain rituals that are practiced?
Okay, we're going to have to give you the answer on the other side, so you keep that in mind, please, Amber, and we will pick up right after this exciting break.
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Tonight we're talking Wiccans and we will continue our conversation and get an answer for Jackie and Toledo right
after these messages.
We're talking to the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shemansky, High Priestess, Robe of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the
Goddess.
And Amber, Jackie in Toledo was asking where she could find information on the rituals of the Wiccans.
Of the Wiccans in general?
Or of Miss Cadet in particular?
I think probably, yeah.
She was talking about the lady she had been reading.
Lori Cadet has her own website.
Oh, well that probably isn't the answer.
So, get your search engine, put her name in there, it'll take you straight to her.
I'm sorry, I don't know the name.
Okay.
Well, anyone else who is interested in a more generic, um, I'd like to give two more websites that might be helpful.
Okay.
One is www.cog, that's Covenant of the Goddess, .org.
C-O-G, just C-O-G.
C-O-G, that's it.
Okay, it stands for Covenant of the Goddess.
Right, .org.
There are teenage pages in there.
There are explanations about who and what the organization is itself.
The other one is www.witchbox.com.
What is that?
This is the witch's voice.
This is another group that tries to steer people toward information that they're seeking.
All three of these websites are designed to educate you to what WICCA is, basically, you
know, the first ABCs, and to guide you onto other things that you would want to be interested
in.
Now, I have read, and I can't quote it to you anywhere, I don't remember where I've
read it, that WICCAs basically are interested in nature and the ecology of the world and
and putting not only themselves in balance, but the world in balance.
Could you address that for a moment?
That's true.
We're known as the world's first ecologist.
We believe that the plants and the animals are no less worthy of life than human beings.
What made two-legged so very important over the Green Brothers that give us air to breathe and food to eat Our four-legged brothers who give us security and again food to eat.
We just believe that you live gently upon the land and you live in harmony with your fellow creatures.
And that's a real problem when you're an arachnophobe to learn to be tolerant of spiders.
And I've had to deal with that.
But it's realizing that they are all a part of the ultimate No, I'm trying to understand.
That's all what you believe in.
You don't worship trees.
No, no, no, no, no.
Any more than I worship my husband.
I'm very, very fond of him.
But it's that connection of life to life.
You don't worship a child in the neighborhood that you see about to get a black car, but you go and grab the kid.
It's a preservation, an acknowledgement of life.
I'm reading here from the article that was written in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago.
It says, on full moons and eight sacred holidays, they, meaning the Wiccans, and dozens of more witches from the surrounding area watch the high priestess lift her dagger over a ball of salt in honor of the blessed earth.
What is there about full moons and eight sacred holidays?
Can you sort of explain that to me?
The eight sacred holidays are harvest festivals.
They are our solar holidays.
They celebrate beginning renewal, the birth of the new sun, followed by elm bulk, which is the increasing light, and the first little beginnings of some of the plants, followed by bell chains, when things are really starting to sprout, followed by luffa, when things are in just absolutely luscious, marvelous ripeness, This is also when the sun is at its fullness.
All of the first part of those four holidays had been growing.
The sun getting bigger and bigger.
So our ancestors looked at it.
Then it begins to die.
This is not a good thing.
So you have Lughnasadh, which is literally the past of Luke, the sun god.
He gets to go to his wake before other people do.
Next you have Mabon.
And that's the crossing the abyss.
Getting ready to go into the underworld to be reborn.
At Samhain, you get in the boat and you start progressing into the underworld.
Awaiting rebirth.
Which happens at Yul.
And the process starts all over again.
That's the Eight Holidays.
What do you mean by the underworld?
I mean, Osiris lived in the underworld in Egypt.
I'm just trying to understand what you mean by it.
It is the, in this particular legend, it is the land of rebirth and regeneration.
Wiccans aren't stuck on a heaven.
We understand that our myths are myths.
So it doesn't bother us that we can have an underworld which is regeneration and regrowth, and we can also have what's called a summerland, which is above and does the same thing.
Well, do you find yourself reincarnated?
Oh yes.
Over the lifetimes?
In other words, you could be reincarnated zillions of times?
Eight so far that I'm aware of.
That you're aware of?
Yeah.
What were you in a past life?
A priestess.
So, once a priestess, always a priestess?
I don't know.
It does seem to look that way.
Can't some lower person aspire to become a priestess then?
Sure.
The idea of reincarnation, as most people understand it, is to stay in this world and to be better.
Every time you're reincarnated, to be more better again.
Is that what's happening with the Wiccans?
Yes, that's what we believe is happening.
Again, this is subjective.
We can't prove it.
We don't have a little score card that we can pull out and have so much time.
Sometimes you are allowed to remember little bits and pieces.
I don't believe it ever is something that's spectacular and beautiful like being Queen of Egypt or something neat like that.
It's something easy, really dirty and grungy like tilting an amphora across a hot, sticky desert floor.
But it gives us a feeling of continuance.
A feeling of togetherness and of being with each other before.
You know, you run into some people that you just feel like, I've known them forever.
And you will find you're even able to finish their own sentences.
What does that mean?
You've been with them before.
You're coming back into your tribe.
Okay.
You seem to be reincarnating with a tribal portion.
It's quite interesting.
Let's move along and take some more calls here.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from?
Uh, from Worcester, Massachusetts.
Worcester.
Okay.
They have witches up there in Worcester?
Uh, well, in Salem.
In Salem.
Well, that's close enough.
Uh-huh.
Uh, your first name, please.
Uh, Nancy.
All right, Nancy.
Just speak right into your phone.
You're coming in very low.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Uh, what I wanted to say is, uh, I'm a member of the First Unitarian Church, and I, in our newsletter that we get from Boston, it had the, um, there was a group of witches out West that had a church group Because in our church group here, it's Judeo-Christian, but I guess in the Unitarian Church, they can choose whatever they want.
And I thought that was interesting.
I was wondering if she knew, if Amber knew anything about that?
About Cups?
Beg your pardon?
Universalist Unitarian?
No, actually, she was asking if you knew about this group that were Unitarians, but were out West and they claimed to be witches.
Right.
Well there is a universalist Unitarian group that has what's known as CUPS in it and it
is a Wiccan group within the Universalist Unitarian Church.
We're not understanding that word, you're using CUPS?
CUPS.
Hang on just a moment.
Congregational Universalist Unitarian Pagans.
My husband was having to give me the words.
Okay, and that's what CUPS stands for.
Right.
And it's composed predominantly of high school students who are what we call seekers.
Okay.
They are trying very hard to find the path that's appropriate for them.
Sometimes they will revolve into other groups.
Sometimes three of them will get together and form their own groups.
But it can be a very positive experience.
Right, because it seems it's a free church so you're able to have, you know, believe
what you want to believe.
Yeah.
Which is good.
They're very, very supportive.
I was wondering Amber what you feel about the TV show Charmed?
To be honest, I hate to say this, I haven't seen it.
You haven't seen it?
No, I haven't either.
What's it about Nancy?
It has to do with three sisters who discover that they find the book up in the attic that their mother had been a witch.
And that the three of them all have special powers.
Boy, I wish it were that easy.
Yeah.
Well, it's interesting.
It's very much like practical magic from what you're saying.
Yeah.
They seem to do good.
They seem to help people and each one has a special power.
One can stop motion.
Well, my double on the West Coast was a consultant for that series when it first started.
It's good.
I mean, I watch it sometimes, but it seems positive, but I was just curious if you... Well, neither of us have seen it, but thank you, Nancy.
Okay, thank you, Hillary.
Now, Hillary, that's one thing we truly appreciate.
Here they are actually taking a positive look at us without trying to go too far overboard.
They're not doing, I don't think, quite as bad in Durham.
We don't want to convert.
We don't want to draw people into our religion.
We just don't want people to assume we're going to do nice things.
All right, let's ask this party where you're calling from, please.
Mr. Rose, this is Mike.
I'm calling from Mobile, Alabama.
Absolutely, Mike.
Go ahead.
Lady Amber, I respect your religion.
Your religion is based on the fact that many, many women died for you to have the religion
that you have.
And I respect you.
I personally am a Christian, and I hope that you respect my religion, and I'm sure you do.
My question for you, can you hear me okay?
I can hear you fine sir, and you are a capital C Christian.
Ma'am?
You're a capital C Christian.
Fantastic.
My question is, I've met, well actually I've interacted with people that are of the Wiccan faith and they're really kind and good hearted people and I don't see where the witch comes into it as far as what I would assume or people Let's get to that question, Amber.
He's saying, why do you call yourself a witch?
Okay, and you are a Christian.
You're showing it by the fact that you are questioning.
It would be dangerous for you to call yourself a Christian.
If there was a possibility you would be fired if people knew you were a Christian.
It wouldn't matter to you what you called yourself, but how would you feel, maybe later, that you had got out of using a name just because it might have been an inconvenience?
You wouldn't deny being a Christian just because it would be difficult, would you?
No ma'am, and I think a young lady died in Call them by profession to be a Christian.
Exactly.
And that young lady went with glory.
She was a very strong and a wonderful lady.
There were those of our sisters and there are those who died the same way.
That's why we can't give it up.
Make any more sense?
Yes ma'am.
Can I say this?
I totally respect your religion and I I think the men and women that have died for you to be able to profess it.
What men and women are you talking about?
Americans?
The crusades?
What are you talking about here?
Sure, the fact that this country, the freedom that we enjoy to have free religion.
Nobody is arguing that at all.
You're not arguing that are you?
No.
I'm not either.
I'm just saying that I respect Her religion in the same way that I'm sure she respects mine.
Yeah.
Isn't that wonderful about this country?
It is great, Mike, and I thank you for the call.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm from Kansas City, Missouri.
I can't hear you at all, ma'am.
Right into your phone.
From Kansas City, Missouri.
Oh, hey, all right.
What's your first name?
Miriam.
Miriam, you speak right into your phone.
You're coming in really low.
Miriam.
There, that's good.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
Miriam Eaton Amber.
May I meet?
I just wanted to call and say We don't all wear black.
I wear a business suit every day.
I'm in a professional field.
My husband is as well.
We own a house.
We pay taxes.
And we just want to be able to worship ourselves.
In our way.
And that's it.
Some of us have to stay in the broom closet to do that.
I know.
Because of the negative connotations that are out there.
I'm sure it's like Charmed, which maybe is trying to be positive, but tends to be more like a B-movie.
I know.
I did have a question.
In Kansas City, we have been dealing with someone here.
As you had said earlier, we kind of try and keep a watch within our community.
Right.
And at Heartland last, two weeks ago, there was a gathering.
We were trying to come up with the documentation for your version of the read because none of us, including Silver Ravenwolf, had ever heard it.
And the woman who we're keeping a watch on has been using that and kind of twisting it in ways we don't like.
Can you tell me where to find it?
I was taught it at my first training school.
If you will contact me at the COG email address I gave...
contact me at www.cog.com.
Hang on, I'm giving you the wrong address.
Hang on, let me get a DPIO's address so I can get you straight through to me.
And she'll give me the details on email and let me know and I'll see what I can do for you, okay?
Okay, that would be great.
Hang on just a second.
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
Well, if you don't have it right this second, we'll give it on the other side of the aisle.
Okay, let me do that.
Let me give it to you when we get to the first person, okay?
Wonderful.
Blessed be, everyone.
Blessed be, and may the lady be with you.
Thank you.
Good night, and we will continue here and find out more about the Wiggins and who they are and what they believe.
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I've been meaning to mention to you and I keep forgetting, a lot of people are so interested
in the story of Billy Meyer.
He is the, or is, the Swiss person who has had so many visitations from the Pleiadians and has visited their ships and all the rest of it.
And there's a lot of new information about Billy Meier.
And two weeks from now, we will be doing a program with Michael Hessemann of Dusseldorf.
I love saying that word, Dusseldorf.
And directly from Dusseldorf, on the other hand.
I talked to Mike today and we finally agreed on a date and time to present all this old information and new information to you.
This is one of the more inexplicable visitations, abductions by the Pleiadians, and that'll be two weeks from now.
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We will continue talking about the Wiccans right after these messages.
Back to the Reverend Lady Amber May Cheminsky and do you have that, what was it, an email
Yeah, an email address.
And that's PIO at COG.org.
So that's a website?
No, it's... Oh, it's a direct... You have to jump to my PIO mailbox.
Okay, give it to me.
PIO at COG.org.
COG.org.
It's so simple I forgot it.
Alright.
I've had any numbers of faxes come in.
We can't share them all, but there are a couple here that I want to share with you.
One says, please ask your guest her attitude toward the use of legal and illegal drugs for the purpose of inducing altered states of consciousness during practice and rituals.
Okay.
Basically, if it is illegal, avoid it.
Regardless of what you're seeing in the Native American practices, Some of the natives of the Nordics also use hallucinogens in some of the rituals.
In order to work magic, you need to be in complete control of your facilities.
It's too easy to lose the focus if you are altered by a legal or illegal drug.
If we have somebody who is ill and is having to take painkillers, having to take heavy-duty tranquilizers, Then they normally will not work energy until the reason for this problem has been solved.
If it is something they're on as a routine basis and say it's a maintenance dose and it is monitored by a physician or by their health care worker, then we have no problem with it as long as they are able to fully function.
Do you use or did any of the people in the past before these drugs became illegal use drugs in the rituals?
They did this because it would produce a feeling of euphoria.
Some of the flying ointments that you read of in some of the old grammars are horrific.
And they include everything from cannabis, belladonna, opioids.
You would literally be flying high.
And it was applied to mucous membranes, which means it was absorbed very rapidly.
So this is how you would get people flying to Sabbaths.
It's a way of escaping reality.
Just like it's sometimes used today.
Another fact that I'm going to have to just quickly paraphrase for you, because we sort of touched on it earlier, but I've heard Wiccans being interviewed on the radio stating that although their religion is totally against the killing of others, Wiccans who choose to be in the military do whatever is required of them and then later atone for their sin in the Wiccan ceremony.
He's saying Wiccans make a big deal about how Christians in the military are hypocritical, since the Bible commands that thou shalt not kill.
I'd like your guests to respond to this rationalization by Wiccans in the military and to the fact that an accurate translation of the Bible says that thou shalt not murder.
The Bible clearly condones the killing of enemies in legitimate battle to protect one's nation and to kill a criminal to defend oneself or one's loved one.
But here's the kicker, because we sort of went through that earlier.
The kicker is, taking into consideration the above apparent contradiction about killing by Wiccans, How would you respond to the accusation that Wiccan infiltration of the U.S.
military is possibly a satanic plot to destroy the United States of America's military capability?
If it weren't so pitiful, I would laugh.
Number one.
Wiccans do not, have not, never have, never will worship any entity known as Satan.
That is a purely Christian conception, kids.
We do worship a horned god, or the essence behind the horned god.
And us wanting to infiltrate the government for satanic rights?
Once again, why would you give rights to something you don't believe in?
That would make as much sense as her coming into a full moon circle with me.
I'm sorry, the facts are ludicrous.
Okay, that's fine.
I'm not going to argue with you.
Based on what you're telling me about the Wiccan religion, yes, it would be ludicrous.
Each tradition is different.
We do not dictate to our members what their moral stand is.
We teach them to be responsible for the stand that they take.
That means we have some people who are pro-lifers.
We have others that are pro-choice.
I've got a student who is a strong member in the NRA. We fight over
gun control. We agree to disagree.
I'm a carnivore. I like red meat. I eat meat. I do not see any conflict. With my vow of
any harm done. It's a transfer of energy. It's an honoring.
I heard you say a little while ago that we have to honor animals and trees and grass
and you're for killing animals?
If I eat, yes.
You could eat vegetables, but that's the same thing, isn't it?
No, it is not.
Eating vegetables would be equivalent to killing an animal, because you're going to have to kill the plant.
The ones that you harvest, you're killing their babies.
Living is living.
If we're no better than a four-legged animal, a cow, What makes us better than a potato?
It's life.
It has a reason for being here.
And it was created by the Maker.
Do we have the right to end that life?
I'm glad you mentioned the Maker.
Who is the Maker?
The Maker is the All.
Now I gotcha, huh?
The All is the creative force that is neither male nor female, and both.
That is neither the past, nor the future, nor the present, but all.
It's everything that ever was, or ever will be, and it is so immense that no human mind can truly understand it.
And the minute you try to explain it, you have then compromised it, and it no longer exists at all.
Well, since I have a human mind, I won't bother then, but it makes me wonder, how do you feel about extraterrestrial life?
How do Wiccans feel about extraterrestrial life?
I don't really care about you specifically.
Actually, that again is very individual.
Quite a few of them do believe that there have been visitations.
Others haven't mentioned it.
It's not a tremendously big conversation at this point.
Okay, then we'll move on here.
I have one other question.
Again, I'm referring to the article in the Washington Post as of June 8th, in which they say, To date, no other group as offbeat as the Wiccans, that's his words, has asked for approval.
But the Army's handbook for chaplains uses a few of the myriad possibilities open to soldiers, which includes Church of Satan, Black Judaism, Scientology, Temple of Set, I don't know whether that's a misprint.
No, that's correct.
And all candidates for potential approval considered case by case.
But according to this article, Wiccans are the only ones who have asked for approval.
I do believe that the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan are both approved.
Temple of Set is run by Michael Aquino, who is a member of our military service.
The Navy.
I thought he was part of the Church of Satan.
Church of Satan splintered.
There was a political free fall.
When Anton died, I think.
No, before that.
Before that.
Yes, Michael and Anton did not get along together well.
They didn't work and play together.
And he split.
The Temple of Set continued to grow, apparently, and the Church of Satan declined as Anton's health declined.
I didn't realize he was dead until about a year ago.
It's been quite a while.
There are active temples of sex in the United States.
They are basically a very materialistic and manipulative hedonist organization.
Well, you get lumped in here with some rather interesting groups, I must say.
Everyone believes the stereotype.
They believe the black hat and the red stockings and the green face.
You might look very fetching in that, who knows?
Let's go to the phone calls because lots of people want to talk with you.
This is Hilly Rose, where are you calling from please?
From Mike in Nebraska.
You're on the air, go ahead.
Yes sir, I'd like to know What peoples worshipped Wicca prior to 1903?
Also, the religion I follow is called the Saw Troop.
I know people that follow the Celtic religion who would call her a liar for claiming that
uh uh Uka has anything to do with Celts.
And I've never known any Celts that worshipped any Egyptian gods or goddesses.
Let's go back a couple of steps here, Mike.
Number one, I didn't understand the question.
Maybe she did, about 1903.
Do you understand that, Andrew?
Yes, he's asking me to document the Wiccan faith before 1903.
Dear, as you are well aware, most of this was underground, what there was of it.
What we are currently experiencing is reconstruction.
We are not claiming that it is word for word.
But we are trying to pull traditions, pull the intent, and pull the spirit from the various Pantheons that we work with.
And as for a Celt who works a Egyptian Pantheon?
You're speaking with one sugar.
What?
I'm a Celt who works with an Egyptian Pantheon.
Uh, well, what Celts ever, prior, you know, prior to 1903, what Celts ever worshipped Egyptian Pantheons?
Dear, as I just finished saying, this was so under the rug, so deep in the closet, no one knew.
When I started this in 1960, no, I'm sorry, 1972, there was one Well, I'm actually at the MARC, and like I said, they're really short.
Well, God has helped you.
I managed to find one of the few public ones.
But nobody can answer you that question.
I can't answer you right now exactly how many of us there are in the country.
Well, I'm sorry.
Okay, Mike.
Well, I'm actually with MARC.
And like I said, they're a religion I follow.
It's called the Satru.
And I've heard all kinds of things mentioned on the Arabel program.
I don't know if you've ever considered having somebody that follows a statue.
Send us the information and we'll consider it, okay?
Alright.
I would be very interested to get more understanding.
Okay, thank you.
Sorry that I have to profess my ignorance.
What does this word Pantheon mean in the context you're using it?
Pantheon is the culture within which the group of gods It's indebted.
You have the Greco-Roman Pantheon, Jupiter and Zeus, Hera and Juno, Mars, and Aries, this group.
You have Egyptian, and the Egyptian is extremely confused.
It's almost as confused as the Celtic.
You have Isis, Osiris, and Horus as the main triad coming out of Cairo, I believe.
I'm going to get screwed up here now because this one always confuses me.
We have Sekhmet, Tum, and Kemet in Memphis.
So the Egyptian pantheons are in little groups and then they got grouped together as the country grew together.
This is how most of these pantheons, groups of gods and goddesses grew.
They were tribal gods.
They served the needs of the people.
When a stronger Force came in.
It blended the tribal gods.
It incorporated them.
The earlier religions did not necessarily demonize the old religion, the old gods and goddesses.
It absorbed them.
It took them into its own.
It absorbed their sacred places, which all religions have been doing that.
But this is why you've got such a confused and convoluted lineage, if you ever try to find out who is the mother of whom.
Within the pantheons, and this is why you have all of these great groups out there.
I'm conversant more with the Celtic and the Egyptian and the Greco-Roman than I am with the Chinese though.
Gotcha.
Don't know deadly about Chinese.
Sorry I asked.
No, I'm glad you explained that to me.
And to many others as well.
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Music Back to the Reverend Lady Amber Mae Shemansky, High Priestess,
Grove of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
And Amber, people tune in and out as the evening wears on, and stations come in and out, and I think it's probably time for us to just quickly Why is it that WICA, particularly among teenage girls, is
moving very rapidly in a poll of the top 60 interests of teenage girls, which is our number
one?
We were talking earlier about empowerment.
Why don't you just recap that briefly?
It gives a woman, particularly a teenage girl, a chance to feel like she can be in control
of her life.
That she has a chance of advancement, that she has someone like her that's on high that
This is the only one that has been acceptable up to this point has been the Virgin Mary.
And a subservient, and that is the picture you get, a handmaiden pose is not what most young women want these days.
They want to be as strong as they desire or as dependent as they desire.
The operative word is they desire.
And the witch's girl is a perfect balance within themselves and the world, is that right?
That is correct.
Who is the Great Freya?
The Great Freya is one of the names of the Great Mother.
She was the mother goddess of one of the Nordic, the Asatrus Pantheons.
That's what he was referring to.
It is a Nordic Germanic tradition with some Saxon connections when they were in Britain.
If I am correct, I am not an authority on this and I do not claim to be.
It is a very strongly emerging branch in the neo-Pagan movement.
You have indicated a number of times this evening that there are many differences, just
as there are within the Christian religion.
But is there, I mean the Christian religion after all is still united in a sense under
Jesus Christ.
So is there not something that unites the Wiccans?
Well, you know, why call yourself a Wiccan if you're something totally different?
There are commonalities.
One is the celebration of the Sabbath, the solar Sabbath and the lunar Sabbath.
There is a connection with the earth.
There is the connection between the Lord and the lady and yourself.
I'm going to go get a drink.
Those all must be found in order for someone to call themselves a Wiccan.
They also must understand the macro-focal side of it.
That's a big word.
What is that?
Okay, I'm sorry.
That's run by the women.
Focus to the women.
As I said before, my husband is a witch.
He is my working partner, my best friend, and my husband.
And I'm still the one that is the ultimate authority in the craft.
And I'm also the one that takes the ultimate responsibility.
Who does the dishes?
Both of us.
Particularly now that our dishwasher doesn't want to dump.
I should have asked who takes out the garbage.
That's what I should have asked.
But you want to hear something he does very beautifully and wonderful and good?
This man cleans cat boxes for me.
Really?
I have asthma so he doesn't want me in there.
We have eight cats.
And this beautiful, wonderful man cleans cat boxes.
Hang on to him.
That's Lamington.
What kind of guy is that?
Hard to find.
I know.
My wife does that job.
She takes care of the kitty litter.
Alright, let's move along here and say hi.
I'm Billy Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Hello?
Yes, I'm calling from Tennessee.
Yes, ma'am.
Your first name?
I prefer to use my craft name, Proto.
Okay, but we can hardly hear you.
Please speak right into your phone.
I prefer to use the name Frodo.
Okay, that's fine.
Basically, I was wanting to talk with Amber.
She's here.
Hello Amber.
Hello there.
God Blessings.
I can barely hear you darling, bless it be.
What do you think of the books by Scott Cunningham?
They are wonderful for people who are out there on their own I am a firm believer that he's a very, very good person to start with, and if at all possible, find a group to work with as well.
He does not promote, or he never did in any of his books, promote controlling.
He does not do rituals of retribution or of nastinesses.
He has a great deal of positive information, and I recommend him to quite a few of my students.
What about Amber Kay and True Magic?
True Magic?
I have not read that yet.
I have Covencraft by Amber Kay, and I had her initial pamphlet on the care and feeding of a coven, and I am quite impressed with her work, with her writing.
She was also the first officer of Covenant of the Goddess when I joined the Covenant.
Okay.
You're coming in so late, I'm going to have to move on.
Thank you.
Hi, where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Little Rock, Arkansas.
Yes, sir.
And what's your name?
Jeremy.
Jeremy.
All right, Jeremy.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
Well, one thing I wanted to mention was kind of a comment just a second ago.
You were talking about people that Scott Cunningham writes for solitaries, and I've been a solitary practitioner now for about five years.
And I was just kind of wanting to back up some of the things that Lady Amber's been saying That we don't, even though all of us, I mean, we follow so many different traditions and stuff that it's like, I'm kind of nervous, so please forgive me.
You're doing fine, go ahead.
Like, each one of us has our own set of, you know, specific rules and guidelines, just like in Christianity you have the Bible, and Christianity is being based on that.
We base our religion on You know, the practices that she said as far as harming none and, you know, things like that, but we all have our different ideas and concepts of what God is and how we're supposed to, you know, follow through with it and how it relates to us, you know, and I've just noticed that so many people seem not to have any idea what we're talking about.
They think it's all about the black cats and the broomsticks and, you know, there's, I mean, like, hell, I'm a waiter at one of the final restaurants here in town and so it's You know, I mean, we come in all shapes and sizes.
One thing I would like Amber to speak about would be, like, more common concepts on how homosexuals are related to in it.
I mean, I'm solitary, so I really don't have very many people in our real Bible-built state here to relate to, so.
I know the feeling.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, your private life is your private life.
Uh huh.
As long as you love, you love.
I don't care whether people got inies or outies.
If you're in the circle, I appreciate you channeling the energy of the gender you are wearing.
In other words, if you are in a male gender in this physical body, I need you to channel male energy, not female.
If this is something that the person can't do, if they are, let's say a transsexual, and are going through that procedure, then they would need
to tell me so that I can make adjustments with the energy flows.
The God and Goddess state that all acts of love and joy are my rituals.
She doesn't define it or restrict it in any other way.
But how do we relate this to our personal practice?
I mean, how do we... because everything is so male and female oriented, you know, and
as far as the union of the Goddess and the God.
One of the things that you do have problems with is the female energy is the formula for energy.
It is the constructive energy.
It is needed to build a strong circle for more than just a solitary, that you're bringing other people in.
Yeah.
I mean, does that mean... That you're going to be a solitary all your life?
Does it mean you're doomed to be a solitary?
No, I'm, does it mean that, like, you know, I, how do I, what I'm trying to find out is how, I mean, do I have to relate that energy and ritual and my concepts of the world, like, sexually?
Is that, because, I mean, I've had people so much as tell me that there's something wrong with homosexuality, you just can't have the balance of energy between the two.
It is much more difficult.
I have seen it done.
You know, one way you can learn to incorporate that?
You're going to have to start working with a group, and you're going to have to find a committed partner.
That's going to be the easiest way for you to do it.
If you've got any specific questions, give me a private message at my PIO address.
That's PIO at cog.org.
I have a question for Amber.
Give me a few days because I'm not real fast on my email at times.
Oh, that's fine.
Okay.
Thanks for the call.
Uh-huh.
This is Willie Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Uh, Columbia, Ohio.
Yes, and your first name?
Jim.
Okay, Jim.
Okay, I have a question for Amber.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
There was a movie that came out a few years ago called The Craft, and I was wondering
if she was familiar with it, for one.
I've seen it, yes.
Yes.
I've seen it, yes.
You have?
Yes.
Okay, my second question... Are you talking about the current one that's out?
What's that?
The current one.
Yeah.
Okay.
With the four high school girls.
Okay, my question was, do you think that that may have anything to do with the boost in, like, the young females that find witchcraft intriguing?
Actually, I think it's a question of which is first, the horse or the cart.
Okay.
It's there because there's a calling for it.
It's popular.
And it is showing young women that they can control power.
The thing, about the only thing that I really thought was positive in that is finding out that you've got to take responsibility for that power.
Otherwise, it will massively backfire upon you.
But I really think it's a thoughtful, thoughtful question there.
Okay.
Thank you very much, and I appreciate the job you're doing, Haley.
Of all the substitutes that I've heard in the last two months, I honestly do think you do about the best job.
You have excellent taste, sir.
That's all I can say to you.
Thank you for the call.
Thank you very much.
This is Haley Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Hey, I'm calling from White Center, USA.
Alright.
I didn't think I was going to get through.
Well, man, you did.
Oh, right on.
Hey, I was about... Is that what they're talking about tonight?
No.
Bye.
I'm a young male.
I'm what you call a seeker.
I have an independent religion.
It takes one, you know?
Somebody who doesn't get the message.
Hi, this is Julio.
Where are you calling from, please?
Saudi Arabia, Tennessee.
Yeah, well, you're going to have to speak right up, would you?
What's your first name?
Tommy.
Tommy, go ahead, Tommy.
Okay, I'm a young male.
I'm what you call a seeker.
I have an independent religion.
It's formed from beliefs of Shinto, Zen Buddhism, and the Wicca.
And for one, I'd like to know the name of that one book you mentioned about Margot Adler.
Drawing Down the Moon.
What was that?
Drawing Down the Moon.
Okay.
And I'm also having some problems meditating.
I've tried that before and I can't concentrate or clean my mind.
Is there anything I can do about that?
One of the hardest things for most people to learn to do is to meditate because they're so afraid of the word.
Have you ever gotten so involved in a book that you did not hear someone come in the room or someone call you until they called you a second or third time?
Yes.
You were meditating.
Ah, I see.
Meditation is focused concentration on a subject.
Thank you very much.
Okay, good luck.
Alright.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Cleveland.
Yeah, what's your first name?
Robert.
Robert, go right ahead.
Yeah, and I'd like to say, is that a lot like voodoo?
What you do?
I mean, the religion you preach and practice.
No, it is not.
It is a pagan religion.
Oh, it's a pagan religion?
It is a pagan religion.
Some people do classify it voodoo that way, the majority.
Voodoo is actually a blend I'd like to say something about getting abducted.
I think I may have been abducted one time when I was a little kid because I woke up.
What does that have to do with Wiccans?
I'm just saying that.
We're doing a program on that specific topic next Monday, Tuesday.
So you call back then and we'll discuss it.
I was watching Jeopardy and I went to sleep.
I don't.
Is it that time of the morning or what's going on here?
Amber, I'd like to, in the final hour of the program, like to give the guests an opportunity to speak on topics that may not have been asked to, you know, bring up areas that perhaps you would like to talk about, unless you think we have exhausted the subject at this point.
Oh, I don't think we've exhausted the subject.
Okay, so I'm just giving you these few minutes to think it through, and then we will continue and finalize our conversations in the next hour.
All right.
But this is the time, we won't, I mean I will take calls, but not to start with, but just give you the opportunity to raise issues that perhaps we haven't touched on.
It's such a large subject, there's no way that I can, and you know, not being a wiccan myself, that I know what to bring up.
If you think about that, we'll get to it right after the break.
All right, thank you.
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The Reverend Lady Amber Mae Shemansky is our guest by priestess, Grove of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
And how are you holding up there, Amber, alright?
I'm holding up there fine, thank you.
I just wondered if maybe you were making yourself a little witch's brew there and keeping yourself awake.
No, I'm sitting over here slugging down Pepsi.
That doesn't sound much like a witch to me.
What does a witch sound like?
Well, it should be a witch's brew of things, that's all.
Well, you see, this is the thing.
Most people have this problem.
What does a witch look like, sound like, act like?
And they come up with the Hollywood witch.
They don't realize that A witch, looks like, sounds like, eats like, your next door neighbor.
What was it, Shakespeare?
What was it?
Double, double, boil and trouble?
Fire burn and cauldron bubble, fillet of a fitty fin, in the cauldron, oh foot, now I've forgotten it.
Okay, so that goes back even further than Hollywood.
Oh, heaven, yes.
Yes.
You have mentions of witches.
Now, remember, histories are written by the winners.
That fruit recorded history.
However, the witch gets dabilized.
Number one, she wasn't a Christian.
Number two, she was a she, which was not the most popular gender for the Christians.
So, the witch got turned into an evil character, a person who would show you the future and make sure you died with it.
A lot of witches are diviners.
They do see.
It isn't nearly as clear in most cases as some people would make you think, but everybody's got the talent.
That's why we don't need to proselytize.
We don't need to go seeking converts.
We, to be kind of picky I guess, we don't want everybody.
When I do a seeker class, it is a 13 week class.
It is designed to allow the seeker to look us over and us to look the seeker over.
And every seeker does not come into a grove or a coven.
These are some of the things I wanted to make sure people understood.
We're not out there to seduce your daughters.
We're not out there to try to pull your sons away from you.
We do not use blood rights.
We do not spill blood.
We practice responsibility and try very hard to practice tolerance.
The international organization that I am a member of, Covenant of the Goddess, was founded to try to Pull together a bit of this diverse group we have because we're awfully independent we are.
It has held together now for almost 25 years.
That's remarkable.
We do not want to lose what we have gained.
But we're not going back in the broom closet.
I have seen absolutely Phenomenal support developing with this Fort Hood slash Bob Barr fiasco.
We're shedding.
People ask us for interviews outside of Halloween at the Miracle.
What we want people to understand about us is we're your neighbor.
We're not out to harm.
We don't hurt animals.
If we hurt animals, I wouldn't have eight of them roaming around my house now, insisting it's theirs and not mine.
And we are as different as two snowflakes.
You heard a lot of the questions weren't from Christians.
I think only one Christian called in so far.
But were from other, of the Pagan and the New Age movement.
Because we are very defensive of our traditions and of our craft.
We've had to fight a long time just to be able to say goddess in public and not be looked
at strangely or not feared for your job.
I have lost personally at least two jobs because of my religion.
Amber, I've heard you use this word a few times tonight about being a pagan religion.
Now, my understanding of a pagan religion is one where people worship idols.
Am I wrong about that?
Yes.
Okay, sort me out.
What pagan actually means is of the countryside, the local yokel.
It is someone who actually believes in the divinity of life in its various forms, just as the Wiccan do.
It is, it may take It can go through multiple paths.
It can go through shamanic paths, animistic paths, which is actually working with your animal spirits.
It's working with omens, totems, etc.
The Pagan's name is like a giant umbrella, as Christianity would be to the faith that has been followed for the past Approximately 2,000 years.
Wicca is a portion, a rather large portion, I don't know if we're the Catholic Church or one of the Protestant sects, I don't have a head count, of the pagan religion.
Asatru is another part of the pagan religion.
I'm sorry, what was that word?
Asatru.
That was the gentleman who called in earlier.
Right.
The Druids are a part of the pagan religion.
We are growing at a quite rapid rate within the pagan path.
I can't say just the Wiccan.
I, again, do not have those specific numbers.
I do know that it has now been reported that in both the United States and in England, this is the fastest growing religion in the world.
I think it's because it gives people a little bit of hope Because it puts the weight back to them and their ability to control their own future.
Their responsibility for their own future and their own lives.
They're not just at the wind of fate.
They're not sheep waiting to be sheared.
They're actually looking up and saying, there's more of a world out there than I thought of.
Let me look.
And we're seeing a lot of that in the upcoming generation.
Male and female.
All right, let's move along and take some calls here.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Yes, I'm calling from Grass Valley, California.
Yes, sir, and your first name?
My name is Dan.
Okay, Dan, go ahead.
Yes, excuse me, I'm going to move to the other side of the room here.
Okay, I have a couple of questions here.
I'm blind, and I was wondering, have you worked with very many blind people at WICA?
No, I haven't.
But I think it would be possible because we do quite a bit of gesticulation.
I absolutely agree with you.
I'd like, if I may, to bring up a couple of things here.
As I'm sure you understand, when the Wicca is practiced properly, that there could be a wonderful amount of often subtle but very positive residual effects from working with the Wicca.
So I urge those out there.
Let me give you an example.
Blind people often have a fear of fire.
When you can learn, besides just cooking on the barbecue, when you can learn to move the flame in a clockwise or a counterclockwise fashion and within rhythmic fashions with your mind, where you basically is a form of therapy there.
Also, for musicians, without the Wicca, my music wouldn't be nearly what it is.
Also, when done properly, you can be out in the middle of a shopping mall and do energy work.
And most people won't even know.
Yes, also I'd like to give a term if I may.
Pattern smithing.
A pattern smith is one who crafts with patterns.
Especially for a blind person, that means crafting with patterns even when the physical has been moved or displaced or distorted or even when the physical may not be there.
You follow what I'm saying, ma'am?
Yes, I am.
May I use your suggestion?
Yes!
Okay.
Well, anyway, I'm going to let you go.
I just wanted to let you know that in so many ways people think of me more as an energy worker than a witch.
I do want to mention one thing.
If it wouldn't have been for a pact with nature so that I would keep myself from, let's say, accidentally stepping on insects or Being in the territory of snakes and these kinds of things.
Once I made that pact with nature, for example, I was able to go down to, like, Kerrville Music Festival in 91.
And I was able to go through the gullies down there.
People all around me were getting bit by scorpions, and were getting bit by fire ants, and were stepping on thorns.
And ever since I did that many, many years ago, nature has aided me because Those creatures and those plants, they don't want to hurt me.
And they know.
You need to talk to them.
Right.
And so I made that pact.
And ever since I've done that, I could talk with hours about those kinds of things.
So I'll let you go.
And I'm what you call a solitary that has to often tie in to other people as if we are together.
You see what I mean?
Yes, I do.
Oh, thank you so much.
Thank you, Dan.
Thank you, Hilly.
By the way, may I?
I'll give you something I want you to meditate on, ma'am, and you'll understand.
This is T-R-A-M-P-E-N-E, and break that down into suffixes and prefixes, and you'll see that T-R-A-M-P-E-N-E are both suffixes and prefixes.
Something will be disclosed in the next two years where the WICCA will be given credit for its creation.
It sits in my living room.
All right, ma'am.
Thank you so much.
Hi, this is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
St.
Louis.
All right.
What's your first name?
Michael.
Yeah, Michael.
Go ahead.
You know, I've tried to get on this show probably about three years.
Well, by golly, this is your night.
Oh, great.
I wanted to talk to Amber because I used to follow the left-handed path, if you're familiar with that.
If you're using it in the terminology that most people do, yes.
I had a problem.
That I used to cast some spells, what they call Maleficium, I guess from a proper term from the way I learned it.
I wanted to know if there is any problems with any of that stuff coming back on me.
I've changed my ways.
I've decided to use my powers for good.
I'm more of a Christian mystic now than I was actually a sorcerer at the time.
But some of the spells that I used actually did it to control someone else who I considered evil.
Now, will any of that stuff come back on me or can it?
Yes.
Yes.
Any organization that you have done within the karmic field can come back.
Excuse me?
Anything you do in the karmic field can come back on you.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I can make your...
There is a retribution there.
Thank you.
So, is there a specific thing I have to do to get the curse, I guess, as some people would say, lifted?
No, dear, you're not cursed.
There's no way it can be lifted.
You have done a certain amount of negative things to others.
You have harmed a certain amount of entities.
You will need to repay It may come out, and you're continuing to do good, and to work to correct the balance.
You say now that you no longer try to work malevolent spells, is that correct?
Right.
I won't do it again because, see, I learned a lot through that, that, you know, I've had a spirit guide who came to me, who had instructed me what I was doing right and wrong, and at the time I was all messed up.
I was getting a divorce and some things happened and I thought that I was going out of my mind.
Well, it sounds like that you are beginning to find your path, dear.
Well, I hope so.
You're working with anyone.
I really hope so.
I just wanted to talk to you about it because a lot of people couldn't give me answers
because I felt pretty bad about it.
I mean, traditionally I've asked for forgiveness from God and then that and I just...
I don't want to hold you back.
I want to give you a chance to tell my family.
Before you can forgive anybody else or anyone else can forgive you.
Okay?
Well, I'm learning to do that.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
I'm working with anyone.
Okay, Michael.
Thank you.
Thank you, Michael.
It sounds like you do a lot of counseling.
Yes, sir.
Is that right?
Yes, I do.
I am a...
I was a nurse for 30 some odd years until two companies whom I shall not give a name
for decided they did not want a witch in their offices.
And I now work as a psyche counselor and a Tarot reader in the oldest metaphysical bookstore
in Atlanta, Georgia.
And that's the Sticks.
I have... I use the cards as a focus To understand where the person is and to get them to open up and understand what their problem really is, not what they normally think it is.
It's a tool.
So, really, then, you are more than a priestess, you are a counselor?
Yes, sir.
Friend?
Mm-hmm.
Lover?
Yeah.
All those things.
Mother?
Mother.
Sister?
Mm-hmm.
You are universal.
Alright, we'll take a break here and wrap up our final half hour coming up very shortly as we continue our discussion about the Wiccans, their place in the world, what they believe.
Sitting in for Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM, I am Illy Rose.
I'm on the day light of everything that gives a light.
I'm a rock.
I turn soft when you are gone.
I turn soft.
I turn soft when you're coming home.
I can't go on.
I turn soft.
The day is the most of the night.
I like to party, break and fall.
You know the party won't go right.
And I never heard.
I never heard.
I turn soft.
Bright light, lady, gonna set my soul Gonna set my soul on fire Got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn So get those stakes up higher There's a thousand pretty women waitin' out there They're all livin' the devil may care And I'm just a devil with a love affair People are beggin' People are beggin' Oh, I wish that there were more than 24 hours in the day.
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Pretty woman, walking down the street, pretty woman, the kind I like to meet, pretty woman.
The Reverend Lady Amber May Szymanski, Pieta Priestess, Grove of the Winged Scarab, Covenant of the Goddess.
Would you take just a couple of moments, Amber, and tell me a little something about the rituals?
It's sort of like saying what the Jews do in the synagogue and what the Catholics do in the churches, and that's not an easy question to answer, and I realize that.
But what occurs?
I mean, you have this knife that you use in your rituals, you dance around a bonfire,
and these are my understandings, and so I'm asking you to sort of describe for me, because
it's different than what most of us think of going into a place of worship.
Let me walk you through it then.
Thank you.
When you get ready to do a circle, first of all it's the responsibility of the priest and priestess to make sure the space is clear.
That means of things that you could step on physically and injure your feet and of any negative energies.
Then you set up your altar.
It's usually set in the north, at least within my tradition.
Then you bring in any other initiate.
Any others that have been elevated into the priesthood and that's what initiation is technically within the Wicca.
It's the beginning into the priesthood.
At that point you anoint them with oil.
This is to confer a blessing upon them and to help to open their third eyes that they may see.
Then it's the priest's job, usually, to build the circle.
We build the circle with the psychic energy form of the five elements earth, water, air, fire, and spirit.
We build with salt representing earth as a physical representation that we can see with our eyes and can feel with our hands.
We use water next Then we go to air.
The water is in our chalice and the air is in our incense.
And now the biggie.
I'm sorry, not yet.
We get to do the fire.
That's the candle.
Then you get the biggie.
This is where we use the knife.
The knife is a tool of spirit.
It is a tool of the practitioner's will.
Determination.
You use that tool to psychically blend together the other four elements in order to make an impervious sphere, a ball, a giant ball that goes over the top of us and under the earth around us on a psychic level.
You then cut again on the psychic level using your knife.
A doorway to let those who have not been initiated within the sacred temple.
Because you've now built your church.
As they come in, you ask them the words to the circle.
How do you come?
The answer is printed everywhere that you read about the witches.
I come in perfect love and in perfect trust.
That means that you trust everyone in that area.
To be there for their best, good, and the highest reasons.
You then call in the ancient, well you shut the door, Maggie.
Then you call in the ancient and mighty ones.
These are equivalent to the archangels within the Christian pantheon.
The totemic animals of the quarters.
These are the guardians, the watchers of the various elements.
Earth, air, fire, and water.
Once they're there, you all do a mutual chant.
Each person making eye contact.
So that you build the web stronger and tighter.
Very similar to the way that you do a Christian service.
And you start out by singing.
Because this too brings everyone closer together.
They feel more of a commonality as their voices rise together.
And it's amazing the difference in the feel of the area.
After you've had this action go on, once we have what we call charge the circle, that's getting everybody well snug together, the priestess goes to the altar and she invites the goddess to come down and join the celebration.
And her candle is lit, which has been previously charged for her.
We call the goddess first because she is the form She is the structure of all life and all being.
So we have to have a place for the God energy to go.
So you've got to make the cup before you pour out the Pepsi.
When the Goddess has been invoked into the priestess, she is expected to be able to speak with the voice of the Goddess.
This happens to a greater or lesser degree depending on the condition of the priestess The age of the priestess, the training of the priestess, and her sincere desire.
Then the priest does the same thing with the God candle, invoking the God form again into himself, so that he could speak with this voice.
And again, the results are varying, depending on the talent and strength and determination of the priest.
You then have what people would call the sermon.
We either do meditations, we may do healings, we may do protective amulets, we may do prosperity workings.
This is where we put what we call the body of the ritual.
After that, we have communion.
We call it Thanksgiving, a celebration of cakes and wine.
The priest holds up the cakes and he gives thanks for the God, the God of the grain that gave his body and his form in order that we might survive as we ate his flesh and form might he go with us and be constantly with us through the coming cycle.
Then he turns to the priestess and gives her a bite of cake and with an observation at The blessing of may you never hunger.
He then turns and starts the plate of cakes to his right, going around the circle.
The priestess then picks up the chalice and blesses it and calls down the essence of the great goddess within the wine, expressing it as her blood of life.
Her love, her joy that we want to partake of and carry with us through the coming cycle.
She gives the sip to the priest with the blessing of may you never thirst.
At this point in some rituals and in some groups they do what is known as the Great White.
This is a symbolic At a sexual communion between the two parties.
It's done, here we go back with the big knife again.
The priestess holds the chalice of wine.
The priest takes his athame and they slowly bring them together.
As the priest says, as the athame is to the male, the priestess says, so the chalice is to the female.
And then they both finish.
With joy and togetherness they bring Joy, love, and happiness.
It's amazing how many similarities there are to events that occur within the Christian religion, the Jewish religion, and so forth.
Precisely.
If people would bother to ask, I'd be very surprised.
Then we sing, giggle a little bit, and then we say goodnight.
We say goodbye to the Lord first.
We tell Him we have thanked Him for being there with us.
That we've enjoyed his presence, and if he needs to leave, he may.
We're not presumptuous enough to think that we could dismiss a god.
Then the priestess says goodnight to the goddess.
Then you say goodnight to the four watchers, and the circle is open.
And everybody gives a hug and a kiss of peace.
And that's the end of the service?
Yeah.
Oh, hey, that's the big part.
You got it, yes.
We have passed it up to here.
Okay.
All right, let me try and get a couple of calls in here before we have to end.
This is Hildy Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
Yes, Alex, this is Paula from Hawaii.
Yes.
Honolulu.
Aloha.
Aloha.
Anyway, I wanted to ask you, do you at the Wiccan practice Enochian magic?
No, I don't.
My elder who has just passed about two months ago was an acknowledged adept at Enochian.
However, my brain is only so big.
I'm having a hard time cramming all I'm having to do right now into it.
Right, right.
And also I wanted to ask you, do you think that the Rooahwk is part of the soul that
corresponds to the ethical powers to distinguish between good and evil?
I really can't give you an answer on that, dear.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
Okay, Paula, thank you for your time.
All right.
Mahalo.
Where are you calling from?
Yes, from Houston.
This is Karen.
Yes, Karen.
Go ahead.
Just speak right into your phone, please.
Okay, I will.
Sounds better.
Oh, okay.
Hi, Hilly.
Hi, Amber.
Hi.
I've got a question for you.
When I picture children sitting under a tree, wiggling their toes in the dirt, just anywhere in the world, as a child, you know, we tend to relate to Mother Nature, to everything around us, and we have a great sense of the all.
Even as little people.
So I, you know, like when a child looks at a blossom that's a bud and it opens up before their very eyes just for them to look at, when these special things occur to a child, you learn that, well, there's no religion attached to this, no specific beliefs, no ritual, no taboos, and if you can keep this in your life, all your life, isn't that something that you would consider a wonderful thing?
There are a lot of us who do not understand the ritual side or the bang repetition and all the other things that are like baggage that we never had to have before.
So we get frustrated in this place that we're in.
You know what I'm saying?
Yes, but we're also human and that's why we are stuck with the baggage.
This is the learner planet.
We're supposed to pick our lessons up.
And the ritual is not truly, truly Necessary.
Like I've been said a couple of times tonight, you can work magic walking down the middle of a mall.
Yes.
You have to have the childlike ability to know and be certain that it will happen, and the joy and delight of the little things, the natural things, the stuff we're given for free.
That's what I'm talking about.
More of it is free to us than comes with a price tag, I believe, of any kind.
Does that make sense?
Yes, unfortunately.
And the price tag can do your honor at times.
Good, Karen.
Thank you much.
This is Hilly Rose.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Evansville, Indiana.
Yes, sir.
And your first name?
My name is Burl.
Okay.
And we've got about a minute here, so go ahead.
Okay, what I want to know is, does she believe that Jesus Christ ever existed?
And if he did, who was he and what was he?
That's a heck of a question to answer in about a minute.
I know, and I'm sorry, I've been traveling between here and Louisville all night.
I heard the question.
Yes, I do believe he existed.
Yes, I do believe he was a great prophet, a great leader, and he was an avatar.
I think he gave a very good message.
It's a shame it wasn't printed.
What is practiced now is basically Paulism.
Go back and read some of the articles that are now being taken out of the Aramaic, which is actually the language that he spoke and wrote in, and also look at some of the datings on what is now being called the Gospels.
Yes, he existed.
He most definitely existed, and he was a strong and a potent force.
Do you believe he was the son of God?
I believe I'm the daughter of God, too.
Okay.
You are the son of God, my dear.
Well, thank you very much.
Okay, girl.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
Well, I guess that's as good a way to end as any.
I tried to wrap it up fast, aren't you?
You did a very good job.
You did a very good job all night.
Thank you very much.
I can't say I learned more about Wilkins than I ever wanted to know.
Actually, I'm interested in learning even more.
I'm hoping you will call me again.
This was most fun I've had in a long time and I am very, very happily surprised at the tolerance I've heard with your callers.
Because this is an audience that has an open mind.
It's an audience that has been, I don't want to say conditioned, that's a poor way of putting it, but it's an audience that night after night after night looks at Something beyond the box, beyond what we have been taught traditionally.
And so that's why I think you'll find this tolerance.
Hey, thank you very, very much for sharing this time with us, and blessings upon you.
Blessed be, and may the Lord and Lady walk with you.
Good night.
Good night.
That's the Reverend Lady Amber May, pardon me, Shemansky.
And we are wrapped up for this program.
Art Bell will be back with you tomorrow.
I'll be back with you on Sunday for Dreamland, on Monday, doing a show on whether, how do you know whether or not you have been abducted?
That should make you think.
Billy Rose here, in for our dare, wishing you a kind and gentle night.
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