Bill McDonald reveals the Roswell craft—a 32-foot crystalline, stingray-like vessel—used magneto-aeroelectrodynamics for propulsion, with magnesium foam and bismuth alloys mimicking living tissue, and fluid-filled interiors cushioning amphibious humanoid occupants. The 1947 crash, triggered by a lightning-induced hull implosion, killed all seven crew, including two pilots and an alien translator, while its laser/maser navigation and zero-point energy reliance hinted at a larger mothership beyond the moon. McDonald’s inherited "Exxon"-linked witness files and neuroganglia-patterned silicon chips suggest a covert program tied to Cold War-era missile tampering and atomic testing, with Earth as an interstellar oasis for DNA-harvesting species—challenging both government secrecy and religious explanations. [Automatically generated summary]
I asked you about a UFO sighting that had been described to me of a craft flying inland from the Pacific across in Ventura, I think it was, Ventura, California, that had what appeared to be flames coming out of the rear of it.
And it was a very, very good sighting by a gentleman with a fair number of credentials who knew wherever he was speaking.
It was not a burning airplane.
And you immediately knew exactly what kind of engine this was.
It was a concept prototype that had been built by a combination of companies, including Skunk Works, Lockheed, a number of planes.
And it was actually burning fuel on the outside rear portion of it.
They called it the flying pumpkin seat.
But basically what it was was a vehicle that fed fuel out onto the outer hull through little slits.
And the ignition was on the outside and it would push it along.
And it was one of several concept prototypes where the flight corridor is that area that takes them in to over Death Valley and into several runways in Nevada.
Runways at Tonapa, runways at Mercury, and occasionally runways at Papoose or at Groome.
But you can see that the object is moving and it turns up on its rear angle.
And then, in other words, it ceases to be a triangle.
And you can just see like a black line because the thing is now on end and then it just suddenly disappears, probably because it's accelerating very quickly.
I believe that this fits the description of the object that Art saw out near Area 51 some years ago.
It creates electromagnetic fields around itself, divorces itself from gravity, and then basically just propels itself in any direction using a navigational system that operates on the concept of a sphere as opposed to a level plane.
And the vehicle's very top secret.
It was flight tested out at Tehachapi.
It's called the Tehachapi Triangle is actually the nickname that it has.
But it's also been known as the Super Sentinel.
And its job basically is to intercept and interdict high-altitude inbounds that during the Bush administration were known as fast walkers.
And there was also slow walkers, but those were the ones that came low to the ground and hovered over like a rocket base or something and messed with a missile.
That happened in Maine and Montana and a couple other places, including Capustin Yar in Russia.
But the main thing was they needed interceptors that could go up there and at least put a show of force into the air.
Well, my witnesses, and remember, I can't confirm or deny any of this, but my witnesses.
My witnesses, which includes Colonel Corso and a Wright-Patterson witness who crawled through the interior of the Roswell ship for four months before helping to roll it up and stick it on a cargo shipping container.
And he actually described the identical description years before I met Corso, and Corso gave me an identical description even though he didn't ever know any of those guys at Wright-Pat in 1952.
It's very interesting to me that a man here who is a detective would get into this field relatively recently and would get so far simply because he had those skills.
Well, you have to remember, the best part of the story is actually that John Andrews, who died on Good Friday a couple of weeks ago, worked for the Tester Corporation as one of their chief designers, and he ran the San Diego office for many years.
and he was best friends with Ben Rich.
And when Ben Rich was dying back in 96...
He was the handpicked successor, Ellie Johnson's handpicked successor.
And this guy was confirming to John Andrews for years all the same stuff that our Counterintelligence Corps witnesses and my Wright Patterson witness and all these old retirees from Palmdale and Skunk Works and everywhere were confirming to me.
A, that the United States government knew about UFOs and B, that there was two kinds, the ones that we build, this is Ben Rich's exact words, the kind we build and the kind that they build.
And to make it even more interesting, Ben Rich stated to Andrews that an item, and he emphasized AN as opposed to the item, because the item was the top secret designation for the original variant of the U-2 spy plane that is now known as the TR-2, the TR-1 and TR-2 variants.
The original version for budgeting in Congress was called the item, and that's all it was called.
But an item referred to the Roswell spacecraft recovered by the United States Army Counterintelligence Corps back in 1947 and shipped off to Wright-Pat to an underground nuclear bomb storage pit.
Sheridan Cabot, the first Counterintelligence Corps man on the scene at Roswell, was approached by the interviewers who were interviewing at the request of Congressman Schiff from, now deceased, sadly, from New Mexico, interviewing various Roswell witnesses for the GAO report that became so famous a few years ago about Roswell.
I mean, it concluded that a lot of the records had been illegally destroyed.
What was smoked was the Air Force document that papers like the New York Times bought with extraordinary, breathtaking lack of critical interest, claiming that the Roswell incident had been caused by the dropping of crash test Dummies in 1952.
Now, come on, guys.
We're dumb, but even we aren't as dumb as you think we are.
Nobody, I think, in this country, to her credit, Maureen Dowd of the New York Times laughed openly at that story, even as the science editors were adopting it as gospel.
Yeah, because we're actually talking about modern aircraft, but the whole point is I wanted to make sure that the listeners understand that this is not stuff I've seen with my own eyes.
I have very good sources, all of whom are very ill.
When Sharon Cabot was interviewed anyway by these GAO guys, he said, there's absolutely nothing in any of this.
But he said, if you find out anything, you mustn't tell.
Yeah.
So we have there the privately stated words of a counterintelligence, of the first counterintelligence corps man who was on the scene.
So the aircraft, the spacecraft itself ended up in the hands of the counterintelligence corps, and then Mil McDonald, through his relationships with this generation of people, gave through your father, as I recall.
Well, Whitley, the Roswell spacecraft is a vehicle that appears to have been grown as opposed to assembled from subcomponents the way, let's say, an airplane or a car gets made by having parts put together in a factory.
This thing is a single integrated unit.
Everything appears to morph in and out of or grow in and out of everything else the way living organisms are all single integrated in their form.
The spacecraft resembles certain species of sea animals, such as stingrays.
Bill, I need to interrupt you for just a minute for an announcement that I forgot to make as we came back, and that is that we are going to go to the phones in the next hour.
When the power was on, it certainly had the complexity and perhaps even the guidance equal to a living organism.
However, its flight crew was obviously organic and living beings, very similar to us, except that they were more amphibious in reality than we were, because, as I will explain later, the Roswell ship's wings allowed it to fly conventionally through the atmosphere rather than just hovering like, say, the standard UFO does.
Quite simply, electromagnetic waves and lines of electrons moved at very high speed from the nose and leading edge extensions of those wings toward that little tail, nubby tailpipe that it had and the trailing edges of its wings at very high speed, allowing it to slip through the atmosphere in a manner similar to the way a wet pumpkin seed flips between your fingers.
A lot of significance because bismuth, magnesium, three isotopes of osdium, germanium, a ton of silicon, some aluminum, some titanium, some gold, and other numbers of elements in various alloys and in various layers were found,
stamped and imprinted within layers, almost like polylaminate composite layering, which is a new way to make airplane skin.
Very similar.
It's like one of the skin layers that made up the structure of the wings and the body of the vehicle was in patterns similar to neuroganglia tissue and seems to function like massive layers of microprocessors.
The reason I asked the question was, of course, that one of the most unusual materials in the world is one of the things that was so-called Arts Parts that was sent to Art Vell by an unknown individual claiming it to have been part of the Roswell craft.
This is a small piece of magnesium in a foam form, which we don't know how to make, layered with thin layers of bismuth that have been heated to a very high heat, and we don't even know what keeps the layers together.
That's exactly how the layers within the hull and wings of the Roswell ship were described.
It was almost impossible to cut apart, but the gash had come apart like road rash or the stripping of living tissue and layers, so they could actually take the layers and examine them within the edges of the gash of the vehicle.
On Monday night, I'm going to ask Bill Mallow, who has done a lot of research on this material, a question, and I'm going to ask you the same question now.
This material, I have kept some of it in an envelope in my office.
I took it out of the envelope just by chance a couple of months ago and found that there were scorch marks around the material, on the envelope near where the material had laid against it.
Scorch marks, and yet the material itself was in a plastic bag, so it wasn't like dirt or dust or something.
And if it still doesn't come off, then you need to get it over to this lab at Stanford University or at one of the other major metallurgical laboratories and pay them to do a double-blind test, meaning you don't tell them anything.
You tell them you just want the whole thing analyzed, and you'll give them the information you have after they've given you a blind analysis.
But you have to put up the money.
It could be several thousand, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars.
Except it's not, because it's okay, we're coming up on our break.
When we get back, we're going to go inside the Roswell spacecraft with Bill McDonald and find out what it was like to live and work in that environment for the people or aliens who were there.
We're talking to Bill McDonald and we are just about getting ready to go inside the Roswell spacecraft and find out what its occupants would have experienced while living and working inside this craft.
It's a small bell-shaped device coming out Of the flight deck or floor of the interior of that crew cabin that then tapers to a small tube that runs up to the ceiling or upper portion of the crew cabin and merges with it seamlessly.
That tube is what some people have called a diapole or a magnetic wave guide.
And the reactor in the floor is almost virtually identical to the one that Bob Lazar described in his spacecraft.
There are seven seats arrayed inside of a long cocoon-shaped crew cabin that is the interior of this fuselage portion of the vehicle that the wings merge into.
It's like where the spine of the vehicle is.
And inside there are seven seats.
And they're arranged in rows of two, going back to the last one, which is recessed into the narrowest portion of the crew cabin, where there's a little niche where one of the aliens' heads actually plugged into that niche, direct physical contact in that niche.
And the seats of the two guys directly in front of him, moving from the rear back toward the front, faced him.
In other words, they were riding backwards inside the vehicle.
And then the next two seats were facing across to each other, and between them or just slightly off-centered from them in the gravitational center of the crew cabin was this little metallic dome that just like morphed out of the floor.
And it morphed into a small vertical pole that went up to the overhead ceiling of the crew cabin.
And forward of that, in that seating arrangement, was two more seats that we assume were like the pilots because they had wraparound consoles where the consoles merged with the armrests of these seats.
And these are metal seats that literally grow out of the floor.
And the armrests merge with the consoles so that everything morphs and wraps around each individual little humanoid or little human child-like alien so that he plugs into his crew station and then the crew station plugs back into him.
Okay, so we have the reason I asked you so much about the dome is that for those listeners who have read my book, Breakthrough, you will find in it a description of an experience that I had that I have never known whether or not it was real, where I was in a UFO and I describe a black dome-shaped object that this individual had his hand on.
And I find it very interesting that for the first time in my life, I am hearing that same thing, same sort of thing being described, in this case, by Bill McDonald.
And what I would like to ask you now, Bill, since I have ended up on a sort of a detective journey on my own here, is what is your authority?
Tell me a little bit about how you deduced this description from the various sources that you had.
And how high a level of reliability and credibility do you feel that it has?
Well, my military sources have pedigrees that, in my opinion, are beyond reproach, because long after Kevin Randall and Don Schmidt had moved on into other areas of UFO research and presentations, I kept at it with these guys, just focusing on the inside of the ship and the anatomy of the aliens.
That's all I cared about, was the ship and the aliens.
I didn't care about the detective work beyond that because other people had already done that.
Right, but now you're talking about this dome thing.
The military guy who was like, he was just out of flight school.
He had a photographic memory and no family.
So he got yanked by a very senior general whom I suspect was Nathan Twining himself back before he was a general.
But it could be somebody else.
It could be Clements McMullen or Martin F. Scanlon.
But somebody knew who this kid was, and they yanked him out and they put him, and he thought he was being punished until he actually got there.
But he got to the Patterson Field site at Wright Pat, and he saw the spaceship and suddenly knew he was being honored rather than punished.
And his job was to document what he saw going on during the last four months of that ship's tenure or incarceration or, you know, it was being studied there at Wright-Pat Air Force Base.
And then, and he got to crawl through it repeatedly over that four months period of time.
Now, he's alive today, but he's got leukemia and he's sick.
He's got neck problems.
I mean, this guy is very, very unwell.
But he wants to get the story out before he dies.
And he wants somebody to, you know, chronicle it the right way so that he'll remember it after his death.
The big secret was taken away from the government and taken away from the military back in 1969, and it had been a long process even before then.
It was Truman and Eisenhower that had Nixon working for them that was getting it augmented and transferred over to the private sector because this technology has to be introduced a little at a time or you have economic chaos.
And then you get back to Phil Corso and the others who have apparently been introducing this technology.
Because, you know, I'm way far beyond the issue of is this all real or not.
It is real.
I mean, anyone who looks at the NASA video, the NASA mission STS-80 video, you can see with your own eyes that these are clearly spacecraft or space beings or whatever they may be maneuvering under intelligent control of somebody.
The bottom line here is it isn't just Colonel Corso talking.
It isn't just our survivors of the Counterintelligence Corps, the Wright-Patterson witness, or the guy who knew Ben Rich, who's now dead as of this year.
It's all of them talking independently of each other.
They don't know each other or they haven't seen each other in many, many years, but they're all telling the same story.
And so as a detective, I have to accept that there is reality to this because you're not going to have a bunch of old guys telling the same lie when they're facing the Reaper.
The spaceship was metal and crystalline in structure and form, different allies and stuff, but it mimicked the function and form of living tissue down to the molecular level in its complexity and in the way it worked.
Secondly, the aliens were humanoid in shape.
They looked like little kids.
They were described as having these absolutely incredible, angelic expressions, even though they had died horrible deaths.
They had skin that was not like ours.
You and I have semi-permeable tissue.
They did not.
Their skin under the microscope, according to Leonard Stringfield's three doctors, was more like artificial screen mesh.
To the naked eye, it looked like the tiny beaded scales that you see in an albino baby Hawaiian gecko.
They were immersed in a fluid that was also the ballast for the vehicle for tambered flight in an atmosphere.
They absorbed nutrients and hydration and oxygen through their skin, and we assume they excreted through their skin because they were found to be with only a vestigial digestive tract and no alimentary canal.
If they ate food, it was like a pre-digestive pablum that would be completely digested, and they did not excrete the way terrestrial animals do.
Any excretions would have been very small particles, and it went out through their skin.
There are certain species of frogs and salamanders and juvenile amphibians that are like tadpoles that do the exact same thing here on Earth.
There are certain species of frogs that you can buy at the fish store that spend their entire lives underwater, absorbing their oxygen.
Even though they have vestigial lungs, they absorb their oxygen through their skin.
They excrete through their skin, and they rarely eat.
Sometimes they eat, but many times they just receive nutrition through their skin.
Light that was of a different consistency than the late afternoon sunlight, which was reflecting off an airplane that was coming in on the regular vectored approach to LAX.
It was a jet liner.
There was small light literally flying circles around the aircraft and zipping around its tail.
It reminded me of cybernetic anthropomorphous machine systems device, like some of the stuff that was developed using Strategic Systems Division circuitry and microprocessors.
They used to call it Audinetics when it was North American.
But anyway, these CAMS devices, you sometimes see them out in Nevada or in the more secret areas out in Utah, Michael's Army Airfield, Area 6314, you know, different things like that.
The nine refers to the nine original agents of the United States Army Counterintelligence Corps, all of whom had nicknames based on old desperados from the old west.
However, they were augmented by two pilots, one of whom is still alive and is one of my informants.
We call him Dutch.
He lives not far away from me.
We also have the one ship that they're referring to is the Roswell ship.
And so that nine is the Counterintelligence Corps.
That is the legend of the United States Army Counterintelligence Corps.
Well, I have to tell you that I can't agree with you on that, and that's because my witnesses' descriptions were very long, very careful, and very precise, and they were all describing the same thing.
Also, you can design things in metal and crystal that mimic the shape and form of biological structures, and you can create circuits that function with the same degree of complexity as neurological structures within the brain structures of any higher order animal.
The niche was very similar to the structure of the cervix inside of a human being.
And the crown of the head actually fit into the dent in that structure so that it was a complete fit.
And it is assumed that this being was either the translator between the flight crew and the artificial intelligent cortex of the vehicle itself, or that all of them were in direct contact with the ship, either through their keyboards or the finger-shaped indents in their armrests, and also through the back of their heads in their seats.
But this one alien in the back was reclined more, and his head was pushed back more, and he had his very own view screen in the back, unlike the rest of them that all shared the giant wraparound view screen at the very front of the crew cabin,
which was directly behind the double-tiered instrument structures that was covered by this forward sensor array shield that was very thin but translucent from the inside looking out and was also unscratched after being embedded in the face of the cliff on Judd McKnight and Jason Ridgway's land, which is now of course owned by Hub Corn.
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Right.
So could he have actually been the pilot and the one in the front not?
Well I'll tell you why I think it's the other way around.
The two guys in the front had no opposable thumbs.
Instead they just had four fingers.
All the guys sitting behind them had opposable thumbs as well as the four fingers, making them each with five-fingered hands.
Of the two in the very front, the guy on the right-hand side had something like a joystick that morphed out of the right-hand side of his console, and it had a four-fingered hand grip that fit his hand and structures of his hand perfectly,
and he moved that around like the joystick on some of the more advanced fighter aircraft training simulators, or similar to the joystick on somebody's Nintendo, except this thing's not made out of separate parts.
This thing's morphed completely out of the capsule.
You're describing creatures that actually were differently shaped in different parts of the craft or had different types of hands and so forth, almost as if they were kind of purpose-built or purpose-built.
I think that they had a high degree of intelligence, and there have been a number of people who've been out to the crash site who have picked up very strong emotions of fear, pain, disappointment.
I don't like to use the word psychics that much because I'm still not comfortable with that.
But there is some anomalous intuition demonstrated to me out at the crash site on my three trips out there by different people that does fit with what the military guys are telling me, even though there's no contact between any of the parties.
Okay, you've opened up a whole other wing of my investigation into UFOs.
I'm putting together a book scenario right now that my agent at Toad Hall has called the Oasis Earth scenario.
And in it, I postulate 11 different alien species.
But of those 11 different species, I postulate multi-species factions that are sharing the Earth and using it as an oasis in, you know, along the various interstellar caravan.
I was just curious, did they find any kind of, was there an alphabet or any kind of written language of any kind of sort, maybe symbols or something that represents some way of communicating to each other?
There were several different fonts found all over the interior of the forward section of the crew cabin and also on the hatch to the exterior upper left side dorsal hatch.
It had some writing on it.
The writing is in my drawings on the website.
Also, I have very close-up slides.
Whenever I do lectures or come to somebody's town, I show close-ups of the alien writing.
There was also alien writing found on the crossbar, that little I-beam that is like part of the flexible skeleton of the interior of the vehicle.
This is the same icons that Jess Marcel Jr. observed and was able to reconstruct.
It's the same symbols that were described by a number of witnesses To different abductions over the years, Whitley.
But the interesting thing is, is that according to my dad, it looks like mathematical symbols.
And my father had always been dead against Roswell.
In fact, he was so dead against it that for a long time he just didn't want to communicate with me at all.
But on my wedding day, he goes into my den during the wedding reception and he takes a look at it and he says, gee, Bill, you know what this looks like to me?
And he gives me this wicked look that I've never seen in my father's eyes before.
And he says, these are mathematical symbols of some kind.
If these people speak in a language, it's probably a language of mathematics.
Well, apparently I let somebody out of the kitty litter box somehow or another.
I'm very amazed.
I think that I'm just in awe of this.
But incidentally, I might mention that Bill's website is www.alienufoart.com, or you can link to it through the Art Bell website.
And I just want to keep that in front of your mind because it's a wonderful, unique website, beautiful art, and some extraordinary things they offer for sale created by himself and his wife, Lori.
Hayden in Ukiah, California, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber and Bill McDonald.
Well, sir, you have to understand that hieroglyphics is one particular kind of symbolized language associated only with one culture, and that's the Egyptians.
The correct term, everybody uses the word hieroglyphics.
It's very common, but it's wrong.
The correct term is icons.
Icons are symbols that different cultures have, of which hieroglyphics is one kind of set of icons that are used in writing, especially ancient writing, or in writing that is other than what we normally attribute to recognizable language.
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Okay, well, let me cut to the chase if I can, Whitley.
Sure.
This might interest you.
There was reported in that those documents, I think they were called the Majestic 12 documents that came out about a year ago.
The only book that I've heard of in my own research, Betty Andreason Luca, who is a close encounter witness who was extensively interviewed by a gentleman named Ray Fowler, who's written a number of books based on those interviews, mentioned being given a book, a little blue book, which she kept for a couple of days and could never remember the contents of.
Aside from that, I don't believe there are any references to any books anywhere in the literature of this experience.
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William in Charlotte, North Carolina, you're on the air.
Well, Actually, that's a misinterpretation of a very long and complex amount of research done by a man named Zachariah Sitchin.
They didn't breed with apes.
The whole idea is that genetic material taken from Homo erectus was spliced together with some genetic traits from the quote-unquote Anunnaki or Nephilim in order to create either Homo annecessor, Homoarchaic, or perhaps Homo sapiens sapiens directly.
However, I can't concur with a lot of that because I read everything there is to read on the different human species because forensic anthropology is my hobby.
It's stuff I love.
And I think Zechariah got a little bit of it mixed up because there is plenty, plenty of DNA similarities and identical DNA strands throughout the entire strands that demonstrate that Homo neandotilensis, while possibly being a different species than us, is still very close to us and that the lineage seems natural.
Well, the view screens put up all kinds of tactical and iconic and designs that we would call art.
I don't know what they call it, but it's very pretty stuff.
If you look at my illustrations on my website, you'll see some of it in the cockpit drawing on the billmart.htm page of my website.
You have to remember, and I want to get back to your other question for a second there because I wasn't quite done.
I subscribe to the idea that between 450,000 years ago and 65,000 years ago, subtle alterations were made to certain populational groups that resulted in us, but it wasn't as complex a gene splicing operation as what Zechariah said.
Bill, we're coming up on a break now, so we're going to come back.
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This is Art Bell.
Get a pen and paper ready because I'm going to give you a place to get some storable food.
I've not done this lightly nor quickly, and I've checked them out.
A whole bunch of companies in the gym.
This is Whitley Striever, Coast to Coast AM with Bill McDonald.
We're going to go to the phones as quickly as possible, callers.
We know there are a lot of you waiting in line, so we're going to answer the questions as quickly as we can.
Malcolm, Reno, Nevada, you're on the air.
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Yes, I want to know if the aircraft or UFOs contain any type of weaponry, if there's ever been any attempt at human control of the Roswell aircraft, or if the UFOs that we have currently, you know, the U.S. Arsenal, whatever, are being developed as offensive, defensive, or maybe still delivery vehicles.
Yes, my question was these aliens that come to the Earth and stuff like that, do they observe what we're doing and stuff, you know, when they make their pit stop, like you said?
They study the local fauna, but more than that, they ranch.
They ranch us the way some of the ranchers in Australia and some of the Americans in the Old West used to ranch semi-feral herds of cattle and sheep.
Most of the time they leave us alone, but when they need to harvest something, they cull it quietly without upsetting the rest of the herd so that you don't have veterinary problems down the road with large segments of that herd's population.
The Roswell vehicle had lasers and masers and all kinds of wave propagation devices that you could convert into weaponry very easily, but they were used for navigation on a planet where there were no satellites or anything and needed to be able to triangulate its locations over the surface of the Earth versus wherever the mothership was that supported it.
When the atomic bombs started going off, the analogy would be very similar to if you had a bunch of Bedouins using an oasis in the Sahara Desert and one of the local tribes suddenly had weapons of mass destruction.
Everybody would take notice.
Exploding nuclear weapons during the Second World War and out at Trinity site prior to the atomic bomb blast at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and then for several years afterward.
That's interstellar smoke signals.
That's my hypothesis.
That's the hypothesis of every single one of those old military guys that I talked to, including Colonel Corso and everybody else.
Interstellar smoke signals, you've got a very valuable piece of strategic real estate with all of its resources here on Earth, you know, all of our keep with our callers.
That ship had an envelope like you wouldn't believe.
That vehicle could perform aerobatics unlike anything that anybody has ever seen even today.
And that's another reason why the fluid interior was so good because it really cushioned those aliens against all of that inertial forces that would have otherwise had them slamming around the cockpit cabin.
Well, what you have to understand is any space-faring species, including us humans, has to be able to develop a three-dimensional navigation process using advanced mathematics and local stellar groups and constellations to be able to move from one solar system to another.
And so we can assume that they had navigation and mathematical process navigation similar to what we use.
Okay, when we come back, we're going to be talking about the face that Bill McDonald has forensically constructed on the skull that is presently being investigated by him and Lloyd Pye.
It was found in Mexico that was discussed by Lloyd Pye with Hilly a few weeks ago.
This is coast to coast A.M. Whitley Streeber standing in for Art Bell.
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Don't know when I've been so blue.
Don't know what's come over you.
You found someone.
And don't admit my brown eyes blue.
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Linda Howe and I, especially Linda, has had it analyzed literally dozens of times, and so have I, a number of times, and one of the analysts will be on with me on Monday night, but it doesn't mean it's terribly mysterious because of the inability, for example, to detect what energy might be there.
Well, no, but I was not aware of the fact that Paul Davids, incidentally, is the producer of the Roswell movie that appeared on Showtime a few years ago.
That is yet another reason why we've got to bring Bill McDonald back on this program.
We haven't even talked about his work on that show.
I don't think we're going to get to the phase reconstruction tonight because we've got so many calls yet to go through, which is wonderful.
Human DNA, liquid water, various mineral components.
But human DNA apparently is extremely valuable to their reproductive process because they have to reproduce through a very complicated process known as replication, which is far more advanced than simple cloning.
And it also allows for some individualization, but the problem, again, is you're always making the Xerox of the Xerox of the Xerox.
So you have to have a DNA source in order to infuse DNA so that when you lose information or when you lose several genes out of a strand, that you can replace them with something compatible.
And in Jurassic Park, they used frog DNA to help resequence dinosaur DNA.
And it's the same basic idea in real life if you're talking about certain species of aliens who have a basic DNA structure similar to ours.
You've been a very difficult man to get a hold of.
I've tried for a long time to get a hold of you, particularly...
Oh, sorry, Whitley Streeber.
Okay.
It's because I had an unusual reaction to the cover-up comedian without knowing what it was about, but that's a whole different story.
The reason I'm calling in is because I'm related to a major general who was stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base a great deal of his life and upheld a number of positions.
And I, in fact, questioned him when I last spoke with him about your uncle, if he recalled the name.
And he didn't recall the name, even ventured to spell it for me.
And I've tried to get a hold of you to try to get more specifics because due to some unusual behavior, the real dodgy nature that my grandfather has had about this subject, when I confront him about, you know, for example, Roswell or UFOs in general, he says it's a bunch of hooey.
And in particular, when I was reading Transformation near him, he looked at the cover and without questioning what the book was about said, why are you reading that hooey son?
Sir, if I may suggest, this doesn't sound very sensitive, but this is something that you have to understand.
The time to talk to your grandfather, just like the time to talk to my own dad, is when they're very close to death and not until, because when they feel the reaper over their shoulder, then the attitude changes, the idea about the oath changes.
Suddenly, they become very talkative because they want to get the truth out before they die.
You have to be there.
You have to be there to catch the confession or catch the information while they can still talk to you before they go into a coma or pass away or whatever.
And I've been very fortunate.
I was able to do that with Leonard H. Stringfield.
I would talk to him during the very last week of his life, all the way up to the last eight hours of his life.
Eight hours after our last conversation, he passed away, but he managed to get everything to me before he died.
My Wright-Patterson witness and our CIC witnesses and the guy out here who was one of the pilots, the time to get them is when they think they're literally on death's door.
This whole area is a little off the subject of what we're talking about tonight, but it's an area that we're going to get into more and more, I think, as time goes on, because it's absolutely fascinating.
Who are we and where are we really from?
How long have we been here?
And what does this world really mean?
Those are all enormous, burning questions about the past.
Thanks, caller, and we're going to go on to Joe in Chicago right now.
I have a question, and I'm posing it to both of you, and then I'll let other callers get through.
I've heard a lot of things about Roswell.
I heard a lot of things about the I-beams, the little beams with all these icons on them and things like this.
I've heard a lot of this.
There's one thing I haven't heard that I know for a fact, and I'm just curious if you ever have.
You know the foil or the, I guess, part of the skin, the foil that, I don't know if Parts even had, I'm not sure.
No, we don't know.
Okay, there is something very amazing.
I've heard many, many guests come on the show.
I've heard many, many people talk about Roswell, but there's something extremely important that if anyone talked about that skin, whoever actually really saw it would mention, and no one has ever mentioned it.
Well, I can't go into it right now, but I can tell you this.
If I hear a guest on your show who says what it actually does, Whitley, I will definitely try to get a hold of you and put you in touch with something that I've seen.
Okay?
And this is not baloney.
This is not any of that stuff.
I mean, I've been in Chicago radio for years.
And this thing, this skin does something extremely specific.
And I've heard people say you can crumble it up and it goes straight.
In an atmosphere, this thing would push itself along by making electromagnetic waves and waves of electrons move across the skin from the front to the back very fast, flipping it through the atmosphere at extremely high speeds.
When it dove into the water and being neutrally buoyant because it was full of a fluid, it would collapse all of its electromagnetic fields so that it wouldn't contain an air bubble, and it would drop into the ocean like the fly-in sub from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, which also, by the way, answers another question from one of the earlier listeners.
This thing could dive into the ocean and fly out again, literally like the fly-in sub from the older Win-Allen series.
The thing was designed to be neutrally buoyant, and its whole shape was hydrodynamic as well as aerodynamic.
The other thing is, if it wanted to fly slow and scan the ground, it would flip upside down on its back, where the three and a half to five degree up tilt to that tailpipe and to the trailing edges of the wings became a natural flap for the thing so that it could fly at a much slower speed and its glowing belly would not be seen from the ground at the same time.
The thing would then flip over again, shoot off into space, and then slam back through the atmosphere like the wave riders that they've been experimenting with for the last 20 years that are built to the skunk works.
We're back with Bill McDonald and your phone calls.
Fred in Minnesota, you're on the air.
Hello, Fred.
unidentified
Yes, Bill.
Two questions.
One, where the UFO is based.
And two, recently heard, supposedly through a highly placed Air Force source, that there are three spherical objects in permanent orbit on the dark side of the moon.
I was wondering if you've heard of these and do they?
Oh, well, what I know about the Roswell ship is that it was able to access and amplify electromagnetic energy where it was close to the Earth, you know, from the magnetic field.
And that it could do like zero-point energy outside of the atmosphere and outside of the influence of the magnetic field.
But it would not have been able to make an interstellar trip.
I don't think it could have traveled much further than the moon.
So for that reason, I have to believe, based on the design of the ship, that it was supported by a much larger mothership.
And that also is concurrent with a whole lot of the UFO sightings from the time of large cigar-shaped vehicles that seem to emit smaller vehicles.
So for that reason, those two reasons, I believe that it was supported by a mothership.
As far as where do aliens or any of the multi-species factions come from, nobody really knows.
And I really am against all the different labeling of aliens and labeling of alien cultures and alien worlds and planets and the Pleiadians and the Venusians and all that.
Because, you know, until John Q. Public has wreckage and cadavers or living emissaries right in the public eye under the watchful eye of the public news agencies, I really don't think we should be focusing on, you know, trying to create labels and stuff for all these beings when we should be focusing on trying to prove that they exist in a physical way.
I believe in UFOs, first of all, because I saw one many years ago on FDR Drive here in New York City.
And this thing was about half the size of a football field, and it had brightly colored windows.
And each window had a different color.
And these colors in there would like knock you out.
I mean, that's how incredibly intense they were.
And they were all different colors.
And I was wondering if this was the same kind of crap that was in Roswell.
And also, I'd like to know whatever happened to the incident in Lake County television program that I saw a couple of years ago where the McPherson family was abducted, and it was video tape of the terrifying experience that they had on it.
I don't know if you'd seen it or you're guessed it's the program.
Right.
I think that's right.
You were interviewed on it.
Whatever became of that family, and what is the story on that?
It was made to look sort of like fact, but it was actually a fictional show.
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Well, if that were the case, why did they present an update of, you know, a follow-up on it where they showed the they enhanced the videotape where it went black and so on and so forth.
Along the lines of the Orson Welles radio production.
In other words, they weren't claiming it was real, but they weren't at the same time denying that it was fiction.
In other words, it wasn't really a hoax.
It was just sort of in between.
It's not something I personally would have wanted to do.
And your other question, Caller?
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Yes.
Well, regarding to the UFO I saw, it had these brightly colored windows all around the middle of it.
And also, when it disappeared over into Queens, and we got on the bridge maybe a couple of minutes later, the UFO turned into a great big ball of light in the sky, and it lit the whole area of Queens up.
It's a lady that was abducted, and she was actually observed being abducted by observers on the ground, and she was floated out her window in a fetal position and then up into a craft that is close in color and description to what you're describing.
And that particular vehicle might be of interest to Bud Hopkins, but is not in any way, shape, or form the same class, size, or any structure that the Roswell ship was.
The Roswell ship was a winged vehicle.
It was fat-winged, and it was small.
It was only 32 feet long, and it was only 25 feet wide.
It looked like a winged stingray or one of those wave rider crafts, those mini space shuttle designs that they're experimenting with now.
Only it was all smooth, and it was one integrated unit.
It was not assembled in any way like our spaceships and planes are.
So the Roswell ship was a completely different class of vehicle.
Okay, so you're looking at Roswell, a little sort of a scout ship without much range, but with a very, very highly specialized trans-medium ability, meaning it could go from vacuum to atmosphere to hydrosphere, back to atmosphere, and then out again.
You know, I've read quite a bit about the Roswell crash over the last 30 years or so, and I wouldn't consider myself a particular buff, but maybe a student.
One thing I've never heard addressed was, has there been a determination of the cause of the crash?
The most common scenario, the most believable scenario out of all of them is an upstroke of lightning from the ground that hit the ship, causing a major power overload.
These materials were very indestructible by our standards, but when you're hit by lightning, there was an energy surge.
It caused the upper left-hand dorsal side of the hull to implode and disintegrate, probably eliminating or sucking out two of the crew members because there were seven seats inside the thing, but only five bodies recovered.
And the fluids, the thing fell toward the ground on the Corona Ranch.
It hit the ground at the Corona Ranch, left a gouge and a small plug of debris, and then it skipped and tobogganed across 40 miles of hills until it slammed into the arroyo on what's now Hubcorn's Ranch.
And there's a dip in that arroyo that it was obviously aiming to clear, but it missed it by 15 feet and it embedded in itself like a dart in a dartboard on the uppermost part of that slope high up.
Mainly, performance of the vehicles at the time suggested that they had the ability to sense any kind of rounds or anti-aircraft fire being directed at them or a missile, and they had the agility to be able to literally sidestep it.
There was no ammunition.
Radar was very primitive back then.
The amount of energy that radar put out at any time.
Every one of my witnesses agrees on one thing above all else.
There were no survivors and it wasn't possible for them to survive.
Their skin structure was such that if exposed to open air, their body fluids would just leak out and spill out through their clothes onto the ground immediately.
They were exposed to disease bacteria and decomposition bacteria.
Their skin was not the kind like ours that protects us from that sort of thing when we're alive.
So they were starting to rot even while they were still suffering.
They were also suffering from extreme decompression sickness because of the low pressure of atmosphere versus a fluid.
And so they died.
The ones that weren't killed on the impact, one managed to crawl out and lean up against a boulder and go to sleep like taking a fiesta.
So they were not like normal alien sort of issues or any alien normal in the sense that people who write us describe constantly seeing these creatures walking around in ordinary clear space.
You know, Dave Jacobson's research says that a lot of them are in these fluid vats and they put abductees in the vats.
I'm starting to think that maybe they wear some kind of skin coating when they're in atmosphere and that they dissolve it when they go back into a fluid.
I think that because the Roswell aliens had opposable thumbs for the ones I call the mission specialists, I think that perhaps they had some kind of protection so that they could egress the vehicle to take samples, but that they were bred to be in a sterile fluid artificial environment for their entire life.
They were bred to live inside that ship.
The flight deck, the floor of that ship was like an aquarium filter, like a diatomaceous earth aquarium filter.
It had tiny micro tubules in patterns reminiscent that you see in coral or on fingerprints.
And the function was very similar to what you see if you cut open the inside of a kidney dialysis bag.
The filtration system was very advanced.
The flight deck was like the kidney of the vehicle.
It kept their bodies clean.
It kept them clean.
Once the fluid had leached out during the final sequence of the crash, and remember it hit the ground twice, not once, that thing, it was losing its ballast, it was losing its momentum, it was losing its fluid, and they were starting to die even though they were shielded from the initial impacts.
And they died horribly.
But they died with the most angelic expressions of innocence on their face that these hardened World War II veterans had ever seen.
They were expecting the horrible reptilian invaders from Mars.
And what they got was these little organisms, these little beings that looked like innocent little children rotting at an accelerated pace.
Oh, well, there was a small hatch on the forward portion of the left-hand dorsal side.
In other words, up top, there was a hatch toward the front that beings of their size could get in and out of real easily.
The gash was so big and such a major portion of the wing was taken and stripped away in layers that a regular-sized human could crawl in right through the gash and crawl through the interior cabin and then crawl out again.
You couldn't stand up in it, and frankly, it was tough to kneel up in it, even in the very center part.
But, you know, and it was bone dry once that fluid evaporated.
Makes me think that it was probably an oxygenated fluorocarbon kind of chemistry, something similar to Freon that evaporates fast.
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That's okay.
That answers a couple of my questions.
So anyway, the second one is, now you've just been talking about the craft that crashed at Roswell.
I study a lot of aliens and a lot of UFO cases, both in my portfolio and in my research.
You know, the standard disc comes in lots of different sizes.
The Bob Lazar ship that the Tester Corporation did before my Roswell UFO kits came along is extremely accurate based not only on Lazar's story, but on other military people that gave John Andrews the heads up that this Lazar guy wasn't, you know, a liar.
And same people who let him know that my data was accurate.
And, you know, that's why he was supportive in me selling the idea to testers because I'm the one that brought the Roswell ship to them.
The main thing is that there's lots of different vehicles, and some of them are not round, but they're kind of oblong-shaped.
Others are kind of shaped like in a V, but with rounded tines or pods.
The round ones are just one type, but they come in all kinds of different shapes and configurations.
So, you know, I'm always discovering new spaceships, and right now I have in my own portfolio 60 or 70 different spaceship designs.
They're all, you know, available either because they're public domain or because I was the one that did the composite on them.
Well, the larger ones obviously have more rooms in them, and they're like mobile laboratories.
The smaller ones are almost purely scout vehicles.
The really big, round ones that are like very, very thick frisbees are for carrying massive amounts of cargo.
And the even larger ones that are very spherical are for maximizing the amount of interior volume for carrying whole hangars of these things plus whatever type of cargo that you'd want for the amount of power that you're expending.
In other words, the economics of traveling between solar systems.
The smaller the vehicles, the more they're just for observation with just a couple of pilots or one pilot or whatever, and very little interior space other than just the relationship between the vehicle and its pilot, which provides each other life support.
And I think the flight crew are like what we would call multiple brain nodes for the flight.
Okay, well, we're coming up on another break, and when we get back, we'll go to your calls.
Wow.
What a story.
This is Whitley Streeber.
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Mike in New York, you're on the air with Bill McDonald and Whitley Streeber.
unidentified
Good morning.
Regarding the Roswell craft and its occupants, we've all heard the discussions over the years about what, when, where, and how, but I was kind of curious as to is there why?
Well, actually, I spoken about that a little earlier.
The atomic bomb testing that was beginning in 1945 through 1947 was why they came.
If the Earth was a place where it was like an oasis in the middle of a vast desert of space, and all of a sudden these restless natives had weapons of mass destruction, the various factions that use that oasis would be extremely concerned and would definitely want to get reconnaissance on the matter.
Another thing is there's a lot of mystery down in the oceans.
There's a lot of minerals, there's intelligent organisms such as orcas and whales.
There's lots of things in the oceans that would interest them as well.
So between us with our nuclear weapons and whatever's going on in the ocean, there's more than enough reason to send a reconnaissance flight here.
Sir, when I say angelic, I'm simply referring to the fact that that's the wordage that my witnesses use to describe the innocence of little children or little babies.
I understand.
But I do not put a religious connotation on this one way or the other.
I don't subscribe to the theory of fallen angels.
unidentified
I understand.
Well, just, I mean, if they were so old, the reason they decayed so fast would be they had to preserve themselves in whatever technological armor they were wearing and just the mass intelligence they had from prior knowledge to a connected I mean religious yeah you know I just that's all I had to say you know just kind of you know a crazy thought so thank you it's not a crazy thought it's actually a very accurate thought when you have beings that have advanced to a certain point they're no longer in touch with
Well, you know, you bury a lot of friends, and I'm now in a wonderful marriage with a wife and a child, and now, you know, I'm learning what it's like to have a hearth and a home.
unidentified
Wait until you have grandkids.
I have a lovely grandson, Parker and Alexis, my little granddaughter.
They resemble mathematical symbols in icons unfamiliar to any here on Earth.
They were described as being close to only one kind of icon, and that was the icons that were found in Nazca, Peru, by some archaeologists who showed up at Wright-Patterson when my Wright-Patterson witness was there.
And some archaeologist was telling some general at Wright-Pat that the icons were reminiscent of icons found on a clay stone, you know, carved in stone and carved on clay in Nazca, Peru.
unidentified
Oh, also, one more question, and I won't keep it any longer.
The bone structure of the alien, is that concerning something that you have that you're going to rebuild, a face?
One was of an adult woman, and one was of a five-year-old child with a head almost larger in some ways than the adult.
And the skull was shaped in such a profound way that there's the possibility that it could be a new species as opposed to just a profound set of birth defects from our own.
So far, my research seems to support the general trends that most of the abductees and the experiencers are claiming in the UFO community.
And the reason I can say that is because I've talked to a couple of Aborigines, I've talked to some women from Paraguay, people who don't have access to the sci-fi channel or any of the popular media.
And they're describing the same exact thing that the people in New York City and here in California and everywhere else are describing.
Well, in developing my particular composites of different spacecraft, I've come to believe that spacecraft skin is an emitter as well as a power plant.
And that the outer hull of UFOs that are truly alien can emit radiation in any frequency and in any spectrum and in any pattern that they so desire.
So that that would also include beaming optical communication, you know, like lasers at the speed of light to each other or, you know, different waveforms in different frequencies.
unidentified
Okay, that leads me to my second question, and I came to this conclusion through Whitley's books.
If they can receive or send in any frequency, does that mean that a human through meditation can send out a beacon to somehow contact them?
There was very few personal effects other than these little wafers that looked like microprocessors or program command processors that could be inserted into little slots on the consoles.
But other than that, everything pretty much morphed into and was part of the overall vehicle itself.
And then the aliens would plug into their stations and the stations would wrap around their little bodies.
And for that reason, there was little to nothing that could be considered separate personal effects.
In the Sunday newspapers, sometimes there's this children's picture puzzle, you know, where you can change your focal length and you can see a picture on top of a picture.
All right, in using that same kind of changing the focal length, would that kind of help where people see like different shapes of objects in the sky or one person sees it and another doesn't?
Or they don't see the same thing.
And I know that we're told that there's a lot of things that are built in inside of us.
And so we have the ability to adjust how we see things through the material eye.
Okay, the second half of your question, I can definitely confirm.
There's a lot of abilities and abilities to adapt to environmental changes and needs.
That is a natural part of us because of our evolution.
And the first part of your question, actually, the process where you focus a different way and you get a different image, that only works really close up.
But anywhere further than, you know, a couple of yards away, and that process really doesn't work so well.
And once you're more than, say, I don't know, 50, 60 feet away, then it wouldn't work at all because your eyes, just like a camera lens, are already set at the focal length known as infinity where everything is in focus beyond just a few feet in front of you.
And in my opinion, optically, those kind of effects don't apply to this.
It's not a good analogy in this case.
unidentified
All right.
I have a family friend who was taught martial arts in Africa where he went to a private school by a fellow who fleed the Nazi invasions and all that during World War II.
He was from another part of Europe, but he settled in northern Africa and he became a teacher and he taught physics and such.
And then he also taught martial arts.
And I know that you can use this same change in focal length, looking into the face of another person, say, sitting no more than six feet apart.
It's a fascinating question, but unfortunately at this point, we're going to have to leave it because you have outstripped the expert's expertise.
Our next caller is Valerie in Sacramento, California.
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Hi.
Hi, Valerie.
Hi.
I've got a comment and then a question.
My comments regarding Art Bell, and I'm kind of upset with him, mainly due to the fact that he's always stating, you know, the government keeps things from us, and why don't they just tell us?
Well, he's kind of keeping things from us, and why doesn't he just tell us his situation?
Not that we can do anything about it, but a lot of us are just kind of held out in suspense, you know, a little worried.
My question is, I don't know how far either of you have looked into time travel, but you had stated earlier that there was about 60 different ships that you had seen or people had posted about.
It's a matter of matching statements and then creating an image from all of the different details from the statements that are the same or that fit together.
And then you know that you've got different witnesses basically describing the same kind of ship.
And then once you have a good picture of what that ship is, you draw it.