Art Bell interviews Harry Browne, a Florida Panther tracker who verified 64 panthers through non-invasive methods, exposing hunters’ twisted motives like killing the last one for validation. Browne dismisses Bigfoot skepticism, citing 1997 Everglades sightings—including a 7-foot creature with caramel skin and intelligent evasion—DNA evidence, and Seminole legends of Esti Jepjackie. He rules out hoaxes by analyzing dermal ridges in tracks and notes global sightings align with adaptable, non-aggressive behavior. Callers share legal bans on hunting Sasquatch (e.g., $10K fines in Scamania County), missing women cases linked to swamp tracks, and verified photos like Dave Shealy’s 25 Everglades images. Ultimately, Browne’s work suggests Bigfoot may be an ancient, elusive primate—undisturbed, intelligent, and possibly communicating with humans—challenging mainstream dismissal of cryptid evidence. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many time zones stretching from in the west, the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains, exotic if you can picture the hammock and the great little umbrella and the Hawaiian dance and girls and how you get the picture.
Eastward to about the same picture in the Caribbean, the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north, all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast Coast A.M. and I'm Art Bell.
And I'm going to take a night off from the video cameras tonight.
I'm kind of toyed with the idea that the Chinese might have been passing some intel to the Serbs about how to take down our airplanes, what to shoot at, how to see the unseeable.
And by the way, I understand now.
They're telling me that our supposed F-117 unseeable aircraft are quite seeable with the old-fashioned long-wave radar.
Just a random thought.
So we continue to bomb, and the war continues to go on.
The White House website was taken offline by hackers, reportedly angered by the NATO bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia.
The Associated Press is saying that the White House was taken offline as hackers broke in Hong Kong.
NBC News, by the way, reporting those hackers were in Hong Kong.
Why am I laughing?
You may recall the April 1st little thing that we did.
As you know, I very much oppose this war, and we sort of hacked up a hacked site of our own.
Ailments linked to an aging population, that would be us.
Habits like smoking, as I do, are going to place added strain on developing countries even as they struggle against AIDS, according to the WHO.
Non-communicable diseases like the world's first three killers, heart disease, strokes, respiratory infections, are expected to account for almost 75% of the world's illness by the year 2020.
Up 43% from last year, according to the agency's annual World Health Report.
The study also found that AIDS has now displaced TB as the world's deadliest infectious disease.
Tell you something else, it can kill you.
That's waking up and looking at the clock and finding out you're on the air in five minutes.
I see, but if that was true, just out of curiosity, why would Nostronamus have not told us of this immense event, since he was probably the greatest predictor of events in the world?
And so what's going to happen in Trinity Park, in Fort Worth?
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God has told us that he will perform miracles and he will give a great grace and enlightenment for those that are there to pass through untouched through the great chastisement.
The part I don't get is how Nostradamus, who predicted everything, or did not everything, but certainly was a great predictor, a great seer of his time, and perhaps some would say the greatest seer of all time, would have missed the Trinity Park thing.
I can see people down there waiting in Trinity Park now.
Camping day and night, because he said you wouldn't know the date, so you deserve to be there until you ran out of food.
Thank you for the call that something is going on beyond normal contrails.
I know.
You hear about that contrails making people sick, and unless you sit down and you listen to the itemized evidence, you could easily turn your nose up and say some sort of four-letter word and walk away.
And I would understand that, but once you have heard the evidence, it's not quite so simple.
First time caller line, you would have been on the air.
Now, if there was not enough notice for the soldiers who were leaving for Somalia, I can understand they might try something new.
Because even the relatively newest treatments right now for malaria have got to start, oh, I don't know, I forget, a week or two in advance of your going to an area where there is malaria.
And then they continue for about the next eight weeks, if my recollection serves properly, six to eight weeks somewhere in there.
And modern treatment's a little better.
You take one pill a week, but I'll tell you, that little guy will throw you for a loop.
So if they were sending soldiers in cold, they might try something like that.
He refers to the, what we loosely call the Area 51 caller, who was screaming and crying when our satellite, actually our satellite, the satellite we're on here, lost Earth Walk, an event that has occurred since, but not prior.
Certainly never to my radio program.
And I went in and I looked at the lights on my uplink, and they were all dark.
They were all dark, and I thought, obviously, our uplink had failed.
But what I never thought of was, those lights don't come on if there is no satellite where you're pointed.
So it was, you know, I looked for smoke.
I couldn't see any smoke curling up behind the thing.
But I thought it had failed.
And it did so at one of the wildest moments on this program or in this program's history.
I mean, here was this guy crying and screaming and telling me that he knew that our government was in the process of concocting some terrible thing that was going to wipe out a large segment of the population.
And that's when we went off the air.
Later to be told that our satellite had lost Earth lock.
Yes, I was wondering where I might be able to get a phone number or maybe a web address or something to get more information on maybe buying one or something.
By the way, I have a Washington Post story here that caught my attention, should catch yours.
And I'm sure you heard, after an unexpected detour, it says to Beijing, Russian peace envoy Viktor Chernimyrtin returned to Moscow last night and aligned himself rhetorically with China's angry demand for an unconditional halt in NATO's bombing campaign.
Now, where was it that I heard about China and Russia aligning before some kind of big event?
I just know there's something there and I can't quite grasp it.
A little worrisome, huh?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
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Hey, Mr. Beller, question from New York City, Curtis Wheeler.
Well, if Curtis had only been listening, he would know that I said last week on the air when I came on that I was going to take a few extra days off because of family things and that we're going to try out some other hosts in that slot.
For example, coming this Friday and then again Monday is Whitley Streeber, who's going to sit in.
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Okay, one more.
How long do you think before Curtis gets back the hour?
Then he appropriated some transformers from the local electric company, something that got him put in the pokey for a period of time, and was about to push the button, walk through this giant machine he had made on his back porch.
Well, he spent a little time paying his debt to society for taking those transformers.
Then he got out of jail and was going to build a gigantic time machine and had a big warehouse, and I think did and was supposed to notify me.
But did he?
No.
Has he walked through the machine?
Possibly.
So there may be a warehouse somewhere outside of Kansas City with a big machine and nothing but a little pile of dust on the floor, which could be Madman.
Do you think it hurts to show when you have Ed Dames on after he makes predictions or remote viewing the spores coming to Africa that never materialized or the nuclear?
You know, I've really got some bad news for you, sir.
There was a story, Associated Press, just the other day that indicated a new fungus that had previously killed up to one-third of all the crops in Africa.
Was back again, only it was a modified spore now.
Do you know, you hadn't heard that?
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No, I heard that maybe a week or two ago, but what about the kill shot that happened in April that was supposed to get us all?
Well, if you listen carefully to Ed Dames, he said the timeline of the kill shot, or the precursor actually, to the kill shot could not be precisely nailed down.
You know, I do believe that Ed remote viewed the Roswell event, and I don't want to put words in his mouth and recall for you incorrectly what he said right now, but yes, he did remote view Roswell.
And I'm sorry, I don't recall exactly what he said.
In remote viewing, there is, in essence, no time.
There are only events.
Ed would explain it that way.
And that you can target an event as you would a sort of a spike coming up out of the noise.
And it doesn't matter whether that event is now, in the past, or the future.
So I'm sorry, I can't recall for you what he said about Roswell, but he did something on that.
One night we should have a contest and we should see how many people running a recorder so they could prove their claim could go from the bottom of the dial to the top of the dial and see what the maximum number of stations at any given.
I would think somebody, for example, in the Midwest would have the best shot at it because they'd be getting Midwest, East, and West Coast stations.
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Yeah, I get it pretty well from New York to Cleveland to Milwaukee and other stations that I don't even know where they are.
And I'm really disturbed about prices getting so far out of sight that people on Social Security like me for another six months, how in the world are we going to survive on what little we get?
Even the brand new European Euro dollar, the exchange rate I can't give you off the top of my head, but it's, believe me, much more generous than that.
And I've got to go because we're about out of time.
But if you travel to Europe or you travel to Asia and you convert your dollars and then you begin to spend them, you will realize how very little your money means because the dollar hardly goes anywhere.
In fact, it's scary.
Went to Tokyo, got two Cokes in a beer, and it was about 40 bucks.
Can you imagine that?
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You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in Time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 11, 1999.
I haven't been on the hair upon my hair.
I've had it all clear to me now.
My heart is on fire.
My rolls like a wheel that turns.
My love is in life.
My love is in life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's something inside that's making me crazy.
I'll try to keep it together.
What I'm claiming is an unfair way.
And now you'll be forever.
The heart is on fire.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bells somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired May 11th, 1999.
Good music, bumper music for the subject coming up.
We're going to talk about Big Flick.
James McMullen is about to join us.
And for about 23 years, James has been a full-time author, naturalist, and independent tracker of the endangered Florida Panther in the swamplands.
As an environmental education teacher and wildlife lecturer on the Panther and the Everglades, he taught thousands of students state and nationwide.
As a matter of fact, he's got a New York Times bestseller, Cry of the Panther, Quest of a Species.
Now, check this, going into its fourth printing.
It's an account of his intense tracking experience in the glades with the endangered big cat.
For all those years of tracking the panther, I also have had, he says, unexplained encounters with physical evidence and unaccountable strange sightings of an unknown creature known as Bigfoot.
So, we're going to talk to somebody who, you know, there's a bunch of Bigfoot hunters out there and Bigfoot enthusiasts, but here's a man who has tracked wildlife for all his adult life virtually.
And claims to have encountered evidence of what we know or we have been told is true.
Whether Bigfoot is actually a living today, a sort of a throwback to something from our very ancient times, indeed prior to the time when man walked on Earth.
Or is Bigfoot some sort of genetic mutation or is Bigfoot some sort of dimensional breakthrough?
All of these theories and many more have been forwarded.
We'll find out what James McMullen thinks Bigfoot is coming up shortly.
All right, coming up now, James McMullen.
And for most of his adult life, the last 23 years, he's been tracking animals in Florida.
And he did have one extremely unusual encounter that he's going to tell us about.
Well, if we just talk about the Everglades, when I came down here in 1976, immediately I was intrigued with the endangered species Florida Panther.
And having had a great deal of training before that, being in the United States Marine Corps, being in Vietnam, and having a father and grandfather that were both woodsmen and fishermen, obviously I was drawn to the tree line to begin with.
So I come to the Everglades and immediately was interested in the endangered Florida Panther.
In those days, way back in 1976, nobody believed that there were any panthers left in the Everglades.
So I quite literally set out to put together my trekking skills that I have learned over the years and step into the swamps or the Everglades, specifically in the beginning to prove that they were out there.
No, I have what we term a naturalistic philosophy.
And quite simply, what that means is that I will track the animal.
I will gather information on his critical habitat and his behavior.
And I'm going to study him out of natural habitats.
I don't want to catch him and put him in a cage and maybe end it up ruining him for life.
But the trick there is that after learning all those different experiences with the cat over the years, I have shared it with the students and the general public through environmental education and public awareness.
And I feel that that is one of the strong fibers, in fact, of saving the cat from the very beginning.
And having worked at a nature center, I incorporated my tracking of the panther into the nature center work and environment education.
Well, what I found really extremely exciting was that I found my first cat.
It took me about eight months.
I did find tracks, and then I had a beautiful and wonderful sighting of the cat downrange in the Big Cypress Swampland.
And out of that, I realized, well, if there's this one healthy cat out there, there must be more.
Over the years, tracking not only in the Everglades, but other key areas in the state of Florida, I have found, verified with physical evidence, 64 male and female.
Well, it was, the line was, well, the Florida Panther is almost extinct.
So what I did was I went to the folks that lived out in the swamp, and I went to the Native Americans, and I asked them, that would be the Seminole and the Miccosukee's down here, and I told them my background and what I was doing, and I learned inside of three weeks that there were Florida Panther in the Everglades from the old-timers.
They didn't give me specific locations because they saw kind of like a twinkle in my eye, but I found some swampies out there that were very much aware that there were still Florida Panther roaming the Everglades, you know, free of man.
So it was, in the face of it, he was almost extinct.
He was already on the endangered species list.
And it was extremely difficult, in fact, to find a Florida panther.
But they were out there.
It had to be proven with physical evidence, and that's what I set out to do.
Well, I say that because I went down to a real small village down here in Everglades called Everglades City.
I walked into one of the old grocery stores, and there was an elderly gentleman sitting there, and he was just like you would think you would see in a movie, and he was sitting there having a cup of coffee, and I boldly walked up to him, didn't know him from Adam, and I says, you look like a person that might know if there's still Florida Panther in Everglades.
And he kind of looked at me, and he kind of gave me this chuckle, you know, and he says, well, hell, he says, I saw one more than three weeks ago up in Alligator Alley, you know, like that.
That set me in the direction of starting to track my first cat.
I don't know if it's the same thing or not, but I live in a little town of Perrump, Nevada, near Death Valley, and a lot of people try and find where I live for whatever reason.
The people here in Perump, in my little town, tend to protect me.
And since maybe I'm like an endangered species or something, I don't know.
But people will not tell reporters and people where I live.
It's just a nice thing that they do for me here in Pahrump.
And we're a town of about 30,000 now.
And I wonder if there's a parallel there.
In other words, perhaps there are many people who knew the Panther still existed, but because they didn't want it to pass from existence, they virtually told stories denying its existence.
That is an extremely good parallel because I think because of my attitude from the very beginning of saving the cat and informing students of how to save the cat, you know, this sort of thing prevailed.
I had no evil intentions, but I must tell you, even today, 1999, there is still a negative element out in the Everglades and other key areas of Florida that would like to do harm to the Panther.
And that's very sad.
Why?
Well, I had one incidence where this fellow wanted to be the person to kill the last Panther.
But there's something unique about, as far as the hunter mind goes, there's something unique about getting the last animal and having the pelt hanging on the wall or having the tail and ears, the claws for the panther, the last one, and he feels then he's extremely important because he got the last one.
You know, you know, let me show you how opposite I view it.
Somebody like that to me is evil incarnate.
In other words, to kill the last of a species is so evil, such a great sin, that I would expect it when I went up to the Pearly Gates to be immediately rejected and put on the down elevator.
Although I must tell you, I have only two times, but I did talk to two hunters that did hang up their weapons and picked up a camera instead and started taking photographs of deer and bear and wild hog, you know, this sort of thing because of the effect of my book, Cry the Panther, when they read it.
Something clicked and they just could not go out there and kill animals anymore.
And I was really, very excited about something like that.
I wish it was more widespread, but obviously it's not.
Jim, when I was 13 years old, my dad gave me my first 22.
I had had BB guns prior to that.
And one day from my third, I was way up on the third floor where I had a radio shack.
I opened the window and I took my 22 and I shot a squirrel.
And I ran out into the yard and here was the squirrel dying.
And I tell you, Jim, to this very day, and I'll soon be 54 years old, it still weighs on my psyche, on my consciousness so much that I could almost go back to tears.
And that's how much I care about life.
It was the stupidest, dumbest thing I ever did in my whole life.
Something I guess a 13-year-old might do.
But I immediately, I mean, I sat down there in the earth and I cried.
And so I must tell you, oh, I don't mean to interrupt you, but there is a parallel working here.
And as we get more into the Bigfoot phenomena, and it's haunting, I mean, what's going on here?
Since Bigfoot has been in the news here the last couple years because of the latest sightings, there is a negative element out there.
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get this one that is physically consciously and on weekends out there trying to find a big foot to kill him or her to prove they exist well there is a Yes, I can.
There is a credentialed scientist in Washington somewhere, I can't recall which university, who suggests that, in his opinion, there should be one Bigfoot killed so that we can prove Bigfoot is real.
And then, he says, a law should be passed that would then provide for the death penalty for any others that are killed.
That's the way he's handling this.
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In Eastern Washington, D.C. Yeah, no, Washington State.
You kill one, you prove there really is such a thing, then you get officially put on the endangered species list, you get to study it, so forth and so on, and you have a giant penalty for killing any others.
And again, it's because of my personality makeup and holding steadfast to a naturalistic philosophy.
In my opinion, a skilled tracker over a period of years can develop an immense amount of physical evidence, whether it be moderate or strong, to the point where, you know, we're talking about Bigfoot here, to the point where you may never have to capture one.
You may never have to hunt one down and kill it to prove that it exists.
However, if someone did find one that recently died, then that would be the evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Or skeletal remains.
You know, and we can, as we get into this thing, you'll see some very basic skills that are used to develop that criteria.
And that's one of the things that I am super concentrating on right now, looking for skeletal remains.
And I have quite a story to tell you about a Bigfoot skeleton.
And when he got a good close-up look at them, he realized that their look was so close to human, to a human appearance, but with all the hair and all the rest of the way we've seen Bigfoot in the Patterson film.
He was so scared that he buried them.
Now, I had this man talked into leading us to the spot where he had buried them.
But by the time the program was over, we had callers who would call in.
And they said he's liable to be charged with murder.
And he finally got so freaked out that he refused to talk anymore about it.
Well, I'll tell you something interesting about that.
My father was a lawyer for 60 years.
And I got with a lawyer down here.
And I asked him about a dead Bigfoot.
After he got done chuckling a little bit, he realized that I was the one that came forward on the Florida Panther and then also the Bigfoot phenomena down here.
And I asked him about that.
I said, what if one of these crazy guys out there shoots one and kills one?
Is it considered to be murder?
He says, there is no way that that can happen because it's an unknown species.
There's no DNA to prove what sort of species it is to begin with.
He felt that the first time around, it would be such an exciting thing to bring one in that the guy would probably be honored.
And I said, well, I wouldn't honor him for shooting and killing him.
My point is, legally speaking, is there a law on the books that could be used?
And he said, no.
There is no such law that exists that would have any application to a Bigfoot bringing one in.
And I thought, hmm, I hope that doesn't get on the news because people would be, you know, even more fear with this.
I was about to say, well, let me just preempt what I was going to say.
I think this probably is noteworthy.
This is the first time, say, for Linda Malton-Powell's interview on a recent sighting down here by someone else out on a ranch that I'm coming forward with a great deal of information on Bigfoot and the Everglades that has yet ever to be no.
And I have, I must tell you, I have purposely stayed away from the media.
I turned down, after my sighting and the flaps, the sighting flap that's been happening here recently.
I turned down four newspapers and two magazines and one television station to come forward on it.
Well, I'll tell you something interesting that's going on, probably not just in the state of Florida, but I know for a fact in the other southern states there have been sightings of Bigfoot and obviously throughout the world.
But something interesting is happening here in Florida.
I have been stopped on the street on several occasions, and people are open, you know, on the street, people are openly talking about the Bigfoot phenomena down here.
This, in my opinion, is an opportunity for public awareness on an unknown species that, in my opinion, if more physical evidence is brought forward, such as DNA and what have you, that there is a possibility he could be put on the endangered species list, protected at least by Florida state law.
So that's kind of where I'm coming from at this point.
Well, the ultimate, obviously, is to come in with some super-verified DNA, at least to prove unknown species.
Now, that is becoming, you know, there is a couple people that have come in with hair samples.
I had hair samples roughly, let's see, that would be five months ago, and it did not, we couldn't get any DNA off it, so we just didn't really know what it was.
I'm for going to get more plaster casts of tracks.
I've got plaster casts of several tracks.
I'm looking for scat samples, obviously the hair samples, things like that to continually build the territory of this particular Bigfoot that I've been tracking here.
In other words, could you walk around on a piece of wood made up to look like Bigfoot tracks and make tracks that would seem real, or would they be detectable?
I'd say, in my opinion, if you really get down and study a particular track, there are some obvious telltale signs that a tracker will see in the track that will immediately tell him whether or not it's a fake track fabrication or there really is something to it.
Well, obviously the shape of the track to begin with, but more important, if you can find dermal ridges in the heel and hopefully up on the toes itself.
The other thing is not only the shape of the track itself, but if you look very carefully at the track, you can see if Bigfoot was walking on the outer part of his foot or the inner part.
Now, if someone were to fabricate, I'm with you on the idea of some people have fabricated tracks out in the Pacific Northwest quite well, but even those were detected as being faked.
If someone were to take a piece of wood, you know, and carve it out and sand it down, you know, all the things, he wouldn't be able to put the distinguishing characteristics in that footprint that Bigfoot would.
And it takes, in my opinion, a great deal of time and experience to be able to detect that.
After the sighting, I will tell you something interesting.
It took me about three days to come down from the sighting, the excitement of the whole thing, to calm down.
But I'll tell you what happened.
I'll kind of describe the, well, the first to begin with.
Number one, I was out consciously tracking and looking for a Bigfoot.
And I was using the basic skills that I would track any animal.
This was in August, the summer of 1997.
And we were having several sightings going on.
And the odd thing about that was I was not, I did go into that particular area where these sightings were taking place, but I worked on a theory that the possibility that a particular Bigfoot would be looking for high, dry ground, sandy soil.
Down where it was happening, it was during rainy season.
There's a very high water line, and I figured that he probably might have gone or another one to another area.
Okay, after all of these years of looking for the Panther, I guess I should have asked you what caused you to begin actively trying to track a Bigfoot.
And obviously, stories Or reports that you got from I don't know where caused you to do that, right?
Yeah, and I'll be honest with you and the listeners, I set out in August of 1997 to discount the sightings, to be honest with you.
I was going to, I thought it was another Bigfoot sighting flap that was going to prove absolutely nothing.
And so I set out to try and pick away at it and to prove that those sightings, it was a hoax, quite frankly.
And in doing that, I found myself getting deeper and deeper into the possibility with the people that I was talking to that had the sightings.
And in fact, they did see something.
But at the same time, I was trying to keep as objective as I could.
But nonetheless, on this particular day, it was 2.30 in the afternoon, very bright, and I was in my van, and I drove down into an area, and I went a little bit too far, and I had to turn my van around.
Now, this is a very wild place, thick tree line, and I was going down into that area to park the van and then do some tracking.
But the van was in such an odd place that I decided to turn it around, and I was backing it up and pushing it forward and backing it up, and finally I got it turned around.
Now, at this point, I probably should tell you that I did have another witness with me, another person with me.
Well, to be upfront about that, he did not see Bigfoot.
He was with me.
He was in the passenger side.
He had the camera in his hands.
This thing happened.
And he did not actually sight Bigfoot there.
So he feels, to qualify it, that he saw the results of my reaction and everything, and he was going through the experience with me, but he did not cite Bigfoot.
I mean, he went through the whole thing with me, but he was extremely disappointed that he did not see what I saw at the time.
And so to qualify himself, he says, well, I can't come forward at this time because I did not, you know, I did not see what, you know, I did not see Bigfoot.
I did not see what you saw.
So I thought that was very admirable.
Yes.
But in the near future, he may, just to verify my reaction and everything, I'm sure that he will in the future come forward on that for what it's worth.
Okay, so I finally got the van turned around, and I was back on high ground, and the grass was still high, and we were still slipping a little bit, but I got it up on the high ground again, and no sooner did I get it up on the high ground, I looked over to the right, 35 feet away, and here was what I thought instantly was a gorilla standing in the tree line.
And I said, there he is, there he is, and the person that was with me dropped the camera.
And I'm looking, and I don't know whether it was out of panic or what, but my foot hit the gas pedal, and the van surged ahead, and I slammed on the brakes, and I backed it up right on the spot and looked over again of where he was, and he was gone.
Now, I'm saying that that whole excitement, well, I did end up measuring, went through the whole nomenclature of the sighting and everything.
But there he was, standing in the tree line.
He was underneath a sable palm frond, the big wide leaves, the palm frond itself.
And he wasn't hunched over like a gorilla, but he had the appearance, you know, that was my first instinct.
I'm looking at a gorilla.
But it wasn't a gorilla.
It was a gorilla standing upright, a gorilla-like look, standing upright with two long, thick oak tree legs.
And I could see him breathing.
I mean, his chest was moving back and forth.
He was standing underneath this palm frond where the palm frond shattered his face.
But I could clearly see the dimensions, the height.
Well, no, because there was what I call scanty physical evidence of where he was standing.
There were no tracks because he was up on the high ground, but you could see where a very heavy-weighted person animal was standing there and it had pressed down into the grass and pressed down onto that dirt there.
No, I saw him.
I know what you're talking about.
I have told this story to Linda Howell and a couple other people, anthropologists, and they explored that possibility.
And I said, you have to understand that I even critique myself as a tracker for all these years.
So it's not something that I would just look off from the tree line and see a shadow and assume that it was an unknown creature like Bigfoot.
So I saw what I saw, what I saw, and I'll stick to it.
Well, even today he's considered that with the Native Americans.
I'm kind of with a naturalistic philosophy because I have seen Florida Panther several times in the Everglades, collected physical evidence, and even gotten a couple pictures of one that obviously indeed they're there.
And I must tell you, I apply the same criteria to Bigfoot.
This is the type of thing I now carry a video camcorder with me into the Everglades, specifically tracking Bigfoot.
So I guess the point I'm making, he's always been here.
I've talked to fifth to sixth generation people, folks down here, that their great-grandparents talked about Bigfoot in the Everglades.
The most famous of all footage ever taken of a Bigfoot is, of course, the Patterson film.
Very controversial, but boy, it sure does look good.
Now, my question to you is, since you have actually seen a Bigfoot, and you've obviously seen the Patterson film a million times, is that what you saw?
James McMullen, a naturalist, an environmentalist, and a tracker for most of his adult life, is my guest.
He saw Bigfoot.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
If the power should go out, if things should get rough for a while, and by the way, we're going to talk a little bit about the environment as well.
I've got a story here that you just absolutely won't believe.
It relates to the tornadoes in Oklahoma.
They recorded winds in one of these tornadoes at 318 miles per hour.
Now, let me tell you about 318 miles per hour.
That is at the very top of something called the Fujita scale, which measures tornadoes.
And that is one mile per hour from what scientists consider to be impossible, an F6.
In other words, the scale actually goes all the way to 12, or even actually has 13 categories, F0 to F12, making it really technically 13 categories.
But this was one mile per hour below a theoretically impossible F6.
Scientists say you really, in our atmosphere, under any conditions, could never produce an F6, and we got one mile per hour from that.
So our weather is changing.
All right, back now to James McMullen.
James, I've got all the material you sent me, and in the material, I've got a beautiful photograph of you pointing to the cast of this incredible foot, which looks damn near the size of your upper body.
If I may mention one thing for your listeners, it may be helpful.
What we're talking about here, preliminary experiences that I have had with Bigfoot and everything, that it is being compiled into a manuscript in progress.
And all I can say at this point is that yes, the manuscript is in progress.
I have two publishers that are interested in the manuscript, but obviously I'm looking for others as well.
And it, too, once published, will be on Amazon.com like Cry the Panther is.
I've got a very tight outline, and I'm going back to January 1978, Chapter 1, when I had a glimpse of something of what I call a swamp dweller.
That triggered...
The parallel, again, is so intriguing.
And I would get on to something on Bigfoot, and I would go off tracking Bigfoot.
I must tell you, I only told two other people over the years until recently about my experience with Bigfoot.
One was what I always termed my swamp mentor, a wonderful man that lived in the Everclades.
He has since gone to, passed away and gone to Forever Island.
But he known him for over 20 years, and I would sit with him under oak trees and talk to him about these things.
And, you know, when I would have these experiences.
And another very dear friend of mine was a half-breed Seminole Indian, and he was nicknamed Gator, and he had seen one as a kid.
And so it was easy for me to talk to, you know, those people, those guys, but very hard to come forward because it needed a long-range, what I term long-range gathering of physical evidence and always on the outlook that one day I might see one.
Inside of 21 years, it happens.
So that might be helpful to the listeners a little bit.
Ours was, we calculated that the first sounds we heard were roughly not more than 60 yards away, and the second set of sounds that we heard were probably about a football field away at least.
But clearly much sharper, you know, and obviously I didn't have a tape recorder to put the mic out and grab it at that point.
Well, basically what I did was I set up a study unit, a tracking unit where I had sighted him, and I drew a circle roughly a mile and a quarter around that particular area.
And then, and this was on the third day, late in the afternoon, I went in at night and set up in camouflage and set also what I referred to as chemical scent with the intention of hopefully drawing him in close enough to where I would get another sighting of him.
And I set up on the ground, camouflaged on the ground that time.
Most of the time I'm up in a tree, but this time I thought it might be wiser to be on the ground totally camouflaged.
And I didn't get a night sighting of him, but I did really feel a wild presence.
And anybody that's been out in the woods for any length of time and trackers that do night track know what I'm talking about.
You can actually feel the presence of an animal in the area without seeing them.
What I term, you know, first off, it comes, everybody says it's a sixth sense.
And I tend to believe that over the years you actually develop that ability.
Like you would develop a muscle.
You would develop your senses, your physical senses.
But you need, in my opinion, a great deal more than that in tracking animals or just taking a walk in the swamp.
And I go back, I carry it a step further, sixth sense.
I call it swamp sense.
And you could call it instinct or what have you.
But there are signs out there that animals leave and if you look very closely and you listen, you can detect them.
And obviously someone out of the middle of New York, well I shouldn't say New York because there's a lot of insects working in New York, but people who are not out in the swampland or in the wilds, they have that sense.
You have it.
It just needs to be developed and brought out and then you could go out after a development stage and be able to pick up these and detect these things as well.
I go back to, well, I carry it a step further, too.
It's also a matter of focus and attitude, the reason why you're out there to begin with.
And then the overall canopy on that is obviously for survival purposes.
If you're night tracking at night in swampland, where do you not go and where do you stay away from so you won't step on a gator or a poisonous water moccasin, you know, that type of thing.
And that's through training, but there's an overall survival instinct, in my opinion, that works there to actually protect you.
You can do it consciously to an extent, but then you'll find yourself naturally using it.
It's there.
It seems to be there when you need it.
And what we were mentioning just about when I was talking about a wild presence, you can feel it.
You can actually feel it.
I can feel it mentally, but also on a physical level.
I mean, I'll have chills go down the back of my spine.
I'll feel goosebumps come all over my arms.
I know something's wrong.
Absolutely 100% certain if you would wait till the following morning, we would go over into that area like a magnet, and we would find tracks or something to tell us that there was an animal there at that time.
Yeah, I have kind of like what I call a working theory on this.
And it's sort of to get a handle on the whole thing.
Because of my very peculiar, most of the time bizarre experiences that would occur with the Bigfoot phenomena all the way through these 23 years, and I must tell you, it is occurring as I'm tracking now.
It is easy to say, it is easy for someone to say, oh, well, you saw a primate that has not been labeled, discovered and labeled yet.
To me, that's a cop-out.
I think it's much more than that.
And you can only draw parallels.
They didn't even believe the gorilla existed until the early 1900s.
And we can take pictures of gorillas and videos of gorillas sitting there eating their vegetation.
I think this is a species that is so well adapted.
And again, I'll just deal with the Everglades.
He is so totally adapted to the Everglades.
He really has no use for human beings.
And here we have an unknown species, a very select species that is very much a part of our ecosystem that has yet to been wholly proven his place in the food chain to begin with.
So I can't just simply say, oh, well, it's just a primate.
That is not enough for me.
I say it is an unknown species, but it is a species that has a great deal of talent and ability to hide and stay away from human beings.
Now, intelligence, that's what we were talking about going into the bottom of the hour.
To stay away from human beings, to not be tracked, to not be caught after all of these years, and people like yourself who are experts at this, this creature would indeed have to be intelligent, wouldn't it?
Although there was one sighting where a security guard on the East Coast claimed that he did shoot something that ran off that had to be the general outline of a Bigfoot.
That's unverified, though, because there was no physical evidence gathered on it and relying on the sighting.
But the security guard was very straightforward, and when you hear his account, it is intriguing.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we have here a species that we really don't have a handle on it yet.
We can't begin to fathom all of its abilities and talents.
But in my opinion, they're incredible.
I'm here into my 23rd year, and it took all of that time to develop the evidence that I've gotten so far, plus seeing one.
And I must tell you, when I had my sighting in August of 1997, I did not go public with that.
I did not find physical evidence until October of 1998.
That's where one of those tracks that you see in the photo there came from.
If Bigfoot is a real physical being, intelligent, a leftover, a throwback, whatever we imagine it to be, a real physical being, then though we might not have found Bigfoot, shouldn't we be finding a Bigfoot residence, a Bigfoot lair?
I don't know what you would call it, but a Bigfoot.
And I have to tell you that there were two impressions that if they were a laydown site, a resting site, in the back part, and this thing was probably roughly about maybe 15 feet in diameter.
So it wasn't a big one.
And the only reason I went in there is because my eye caught this hole in the vegetation.
There were two laydown sites.
And if they were black bear laydown sites, that puts those bears enormous.
And you could even see the impressions on the dead leaves of where the creature had laid out its long arm and it weighed down into the leaves like he had his head down on his arm.
I measured one of the resting sites, the lay down sites, and it appeared to be somewhere in the area of 6.5 feet long.
The reason that was, it wasn't 6.5 feet, it was more like 7 or over 7 feet long.
But it appeared as though there was a knee indentation in the leaves itself to where it looked like, assume it's Bigfoot, had brought its knees up a little bit.
I allowed about a foot there because it looked like he had brought the leg.
But there were two of those, which was interesting, and one was a little bit smaller than the other.
So I know what you're thinking.
Now we have a mating couple here.
I don't know.
What I did was, totally intrigued, there I was in the midst of, and this was in the 80s, there I was in the midst of another incident with the Bigfoot phenomena.
So I staked the place out for three days, and nothing happened.
No one came back.
I continually went back there.
And I'll tell you something interesting about it.
Only one time did it look like something visited it again.
And then after that, I found raccoon tracks going in it, possum tracks going in it, that type of thing.
tracker how in the world I have three cats, and I can only imagine...
in fact i really can't imagine something twenty five or thirty times the size of my cat or a hundred times the size of my cat even in play such an animal would rip your guts out without even thinking about it how could you have that as a And you have to understand she was with me for over 16 years.
Yeah, there must have been some reason why they passed that law.
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Well, at the time that I read when the law first went into effect, they were curious about Sasquatch, and only because I think their county extends up to the southern boundary of Mount St. Helens National Park, or National Volcanic Monument, as it's really called.
And Ape Cave is not too far from their boundary, only about five miles.
And there had been some sightings there years past.
And I think Clark County merely determined that since we don't know what this critter is, and since it seems to be somewhat humanoid, you know, why would somebody want to shoot it?
There is a grand opportunity, Pacific Northwest area, where you could introduce, since there is a law on the books now that could introduce the possibility of putting at least an Endangered Species Act on it as well, it sounds to me like people are quite convinced that Sasquatch is out there.
As you are well aware, there have been many, many sightings in the Northwest.
But that would seem to say something.
In other words, if there are sightings in the Northwest which has one very distinctive kind of weather, very different from what you would have in the Everglades, that would seem to suggest that Bigfoot, like a human being, is capable of surviving in all sorts of environments, huh?
And I also might add that the state of Florida's gathering of sightings is, in the United States, is the second location in the United States as far as number of sightings go.
And of course, Pacific Northwest, and then it's Florida, and then it goes on down the list then.
I've been following that as closely as I can, and there is a world map that I believe it's on a website.
I brought it out on a website, and there was red dots literally all over the world.
You know, I mean, in China, in Russia, you name it, there's red dots spotted all over the world.
And going back to what you just said, here is an extremely adaptable species that quite literally can adapt to a cold weather climate as well as subtropical and then down into South America of tropical.
I tell you, sometimes when I see the Patterson film on a Monday, I'm just internally intrigued on it.
On Friday, if I look at it, I have questions on it.
But I go a lot by what the scientists have done in relation to analyzing it.
And it comes up, in my opinion, more authentic than hoax.
And for someone to have hoax what the scientists have come up with in relation to analyzing The film, someone would have to be a genius, absolutely a genius to pull it off.
Would you be more likely to believe that Bigfoot is a real physical artifact that doesn't come and go and disappear, or that Bigfoot is a paranormal event?
And something I surely don't rule out.
I wonder which way you, if you were pushed up against the wall, which would you grasp?
Well, it's funny you should say that because I had an experience, the closest, I guess, that I'm going to get with in relation to the paranormal on just what you said there.
I was coming back from a place called Dead Man's Slough during the rainy season, and I was roughly in a foot of water.
And as I was walking along, I heard someone pounding on, like, a big log.
And there wasn't anything arithmetic about it, but it sounded like someone had a big club, and they were pounding on this log off in a sable palm hammock, which was roughly about, not more than 50 yards away at the most.
So as I was working my way over to the hammock to take a look at who was in there, thinking maybe somebody might be making a shack or something, it stopped.
And I entered the hammock.
I went up and I found this huge oak tree that had fallen down and was half hollowed out.
And there was a big, huge branch laying down next to it.
And it appeared as though the tree itself, the log itself, had been beat upon to where the bark was falling off.
At that point, I heard someone running away from the hammock in the opposite side.
And out of curiosity, which gets me in a lot of trouble all the time, I chased after whoever it was.
And as I came outside the tree line and around the hammock, I could still hear, I couldn't see, but I could still hear the individual running.
And it was a big person.
It was someone with big boots on, that sort of thing.
And so I chased it and I began to find in the sable palm fronds that have fallen down and the leaves and the mud blotches.
And didn't stop to measure at that point, but there was a pretty wide stride in there.
All of a sudden, I could hear him running up ahead, all of a sudden, the running stopped.
And I thought, well, the guy stopped.
He's going to see who's chasing him.
I very cautiously walked under this tree overhang and around into the open on a wet prairie and he was gone.
And I have to tell you, the tracks were gone, too.
You can't quite pin it down to the normal or the paranormal, and it might be either one or both.
And I'm sure for somebody who's a real meat and potatoes kind of tracker like yourself, somebody who's really out there doing this thing every day or nearly every day, it's hard for you to accept a virtual disappearance.
That's another thing that I've heard about Bigfoot, that it can be attracted or communicated with in some manner by beating on a log, by beating on a tree stump or whatever.
I'm thinking, wondering, this may sound very far-fetched, but what if, for the sake of discussion, this particular Bigfoot was banging on that log to communicate with another one?
And I just happened to come sloshing along in a foot of water and scared him off.
I'm Eric from Iowa, and I was wondering, you said the climates and whatnot.
Well, I heard something really scary.
I haven't really seen it, but I was down in the back woods, and I heard something like, take off through the brush, and I do know what deer and whatnot sound like, you know.
And this took very big steps, very long strides, and broke a lot of branches.
And then it was just like silence.
But, of course, I turned tail and ran the other direction.
If you were in the wilderness, in the woods, in the Everglades, wherever, and you saw a Bigfoot, I take it that you don't go in these areas without a gun, even though you don't use it.
If you were out in the middle of nowhere and you ran into one of these, like the one you saw, and I'm setting up a scenario here, and it was coming toward you with obvious intent to do you some sort of harm, what would Jim McMullen do?
Well, obviously, you're not going to be able to run away from them.
I have a theory here.
Follow me on this.
I've been in those areas that you talk about, and I seek out the remote areas that are left in the Everglades.
And for 23 years, I've been doing that.
And here's Bigfoot roaming in the tree line, and has never once stepped out to grab me and take my head off for one reason or another.
So my theory, my working theory is that he would not do that.
Now watch, next Saturday night I'll go tracking and he'll walk up on me.
I tell you something interesting about that.
I have a tremendous love for Mother Nature and I am very sincere about my efforts to help save it.
And that is my attitude all the time, whether I'm in the swamp or not.
Carrying that a step further is my hope that the food chain, the animals that live out there, understand that I'm not harming their critical habitats.
And I have a theory that maybe, just maybe, when I'm walking along those trails over the years, that there may well have been Bigfoot watching me and I'm doing no harm, so he just moves on.
But I've got to say, even with everything I said and the story I told you about the squirrel and everything else, if I was out in the wilderness, I can assure you I would have some sort of protection against an animal, a bear, whatever it would be, that might decide I was part of the food chain.
I used to live up in the wilderness and on the coast here in Canada, Western Canada, and I've had two stories I want to tell you, and the question will be obvious.
One is I was in a tiny little town up just south of the Yukon border, and the people up there in those years were very non-metaphysical and somewhat fundamentalist Christian.
And if you saw a Sasquatch up in those years, you wouldn't mention it.
And I ran into one fellow, he was a prospector up there, who saw one, and he said it took him five years before he admitted seeing it.
And he said what had happened is he was driving down the road in his pickup, and he said they've got the ability to put some kind of spell on you.
They become so still that you don't notice.
He says he drove by something, and it's very, very peaceful up there, and people's minds get very peaceful.
And I guess he had gotten into a very sort of meditative state of mind, and he realized that he had driven by something, and he stopped.
He says, hold it, no, there's something going on here.
And he stopped, and he backed up, and he could see in his rearview mirror that there was this Sasquatch, and he says it was absolutely still.
And he said, it could put some kind of hoodoo on you so that you didn't notice it.
And he came up, he backed up beside it, and it remained absolutely still.
And he looked at it for a while, and then it turned and walked away.
That's one story I've got for you.
The other story is I used to spend time in logging camps, and I used to hang out with this Indian fellow who had been raised in an Indian village, and he was an extremely peaceful type, too.
And he told me that his grandfather and his grandfather's friends used to tell him about seeing Sasquatches in the bush.
And he said that the grandparents talked about the very wide and slow strides that these huge creatures took.
And I wonder if the word Sasquatch doesn't actually relate to the length of their stride.
And it's interesting to think because this Indian fellow was an extremely peaceful person, one of the most peaceful I've ever met in my life.
One, interesting enough, the Seminole, Toctaw Seminole down here call him Satchwatch as well as the Native Americans throughout North America.
And I'm still getting there's two.
There's tall, hairy man, and the other one is wise wild man.
So I'm wondering if Native American out in Pacific Northwest Canada, if that isn't pretty close to what they're, what they define it as well.
And interesting, you know, he's talking about the, I have to tell you, and this is a one-liner, but there are times, there have been times in the past, and I'm sure there will be in the future, where I would be tracking, let's say on high ground, high-dry ground, sandy soil, and have a definite purpose and going from A to B, and my goal is to do three miles, walking down the backcountry through pine.
Suddenly, for no apparent reason, I'm turning in another direction and end up circling back to where I began.
And I'm wondering, and having tracked that area maybe two or three days later, I do the same area, going in the same direction, and do the complete mile and a half for the three miles with no, you know, with no reason to take a left or take a right.
And I'm just wondering with the gentleman with his stories, if there might be something to that, that looking for Bigfoot tracking, all of a sudden he doesn't want me to go into a particular area.
So he puts me off.
And again, we're talking theory, but he puts me off in another direction.
So to go back to my original question, if a Bigfoot was moving toward you with obvious intent to do harm, your reaction would be to simply stand your ground and say, good Bigfoot, good Bigfoot.
I mean, you said you wouldn't run, so what other alternatives are there?
I must confess that twice in 23 years I was approached by Black Bear.
Neither time I didn't feel that I was in danger except one time this particular bear put me into a water line so I could put distance between us.
And oddly enough, the bear did not come into the water.
The other time that a bear came onto me, I don't think the bear even saw me because I was bent over looking at a thorn spider inside of a wax myrtle bush and he was coming from my right high grass.
We both looked at each other, saw that we were definitely in the right, and quite literally we both ran in the opposite direction.
Yeah, I was going to ask, what is the, if you were to give somebody advice, if they were To come upon a bear and you're staring at each other for that second, both no doubt in some form of terror.
Well, I tell you what, in my opinion, I would run to the nearest tree I could climb and get up as high as I can.
I know that people have read these articles in some of the magazines about if a bear approaches you, lay down and act like you're dead.
And I ain't about to do that with black bear and surely not a grizzly or brown.
There are too many incidents where bears have got in close to humans and did a real job on them.
I'll take my chances running and climbing that tree or jumping into a river.
I must tell you, though, Art, one of the chapters in my Bigfoot book, we were talking about coming eye to eye with Bigfoot.
Well, one of the chapters that I'm dealing with in the book is called Dark Wild Eyes.
And I did, in a sense, come eye to eye with what I believed to be a Bigfoot.
The problem is that it was roughly about 70 yards away from one tree line across the prairie to the other tree line.
And I was coming out of the tree line, but anytime that I was coming out of a tree line, I always stopped like right on the edge of the tree line and do a scan of roughly 180 degrees back and forth to see if anything's crossing the prairie or if there might be a panther on the other side or maybe have a sighting of a deer feeding, something like that.
And I kept going past this tree line and I thought that I could see two eyes inside of the trees and inside of some salt pond looking back at me.
And they riveted me to the spot.
And it was like we were staring at each other.
And I wasn't even sure what I was staring at because all I saw was shadow and two dark, wild eyes staring back at me.
It's one thing to track the thrill of tracking an unknown species and developing physical evidence to prove that he exists, but it doesn't mean that we should go out there and harm his critical habitats or, in fact, try to capture him.
And then the bottom line is what the caller said.
Leave them alone.
They have never, ever done us any harm, although Seminole have a couple of stories in relation to women disappearing.
But beyond that, there's never been any killings by Bigfoot of human beings, at least down here.
And those stories come way back when the Seminole, the original tribes that make up the Seminole came down here.
And they would, not a lot, but occasionally one of their women would be at night pulled out of the village, and the next morning they would find these huge tracks leading off into the swamp and water, and the woman was never heard of again.
And in it, Dr. Grover Krantz, an archaeologist, talks about from the early 80s, 82 to 85, Washington had a problem with organized posse approaching the backwoods looking to hunt a Bigfoot, which led to a law in Scamania County saying anyone caught shooting a Bigfoot would be fined $10,000 and put in jail.
Personally, I don't think shooting one would be justified in any way.
Well, if you were to put on a big old Bigfoot outfit and go tromping through the woods trying to freak somebody out, wouldn't the odds be real likely that you'd get shot?
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Well, yes, exactly.
They talk about that in the film, and also Grover Kramps talks about, for example, the Patterson film.
He studied this and says, in his opinion, there's no way it could have been faked because looking at it, if you were to put a man in an ape suit, you'd have to break his arms and put a new hinge on the lower socket where it means elbow.
And there's just too much about it, scientifically proving it.
They still consider it forbidden archaeology, though, but it's people like your guests that get this stuff out and, you know, good job.
Grover Krantz is one of the scientists that have studied that film.
Absolutely verified of what your caller Is talking about.
And so it makes for, again, as I talked about earlier, this is what leads me to believe that Patterson did stumble onto one and had an opportunity to get her on film.
And carry a step further, when you go through that scientific study and you read when they really break it down, the stride, the swinging of the arms, the turning of the head with the shoulders, it's impossible for a human being to do that, but it is very likely that the Patterson film, that makes the Patterson film even more authentic.
And also, I'm very much aware of that law out there.
That was one of the things that I researched to begin with, to see if there were any laws on the books protecting Sashwats.
And I wanted to ask your guest if he would speculate for just a moment if he believes that the Bigfoot is related to the great apes or if it represents a member of possibly Neanderthal.
To be honest with you, I can't comment on the Neanderthal end of it, but I can tell you that, generally speaking, I've talked to six anthropologists that have studied the Bigfoot phenomena, and all of them came up with this possibility that it may be an unknown species that very likely is primate.
I mean, this is how they get a handle on it.
But again, I care to step further and say that that's too short of an answer.
I don't know if I believe it or not, but it says, I'm not sure if it's really well known or not, but here in Washington State on our mountain highways, we actually have Sasquatch crossing signs.
In listening to what you've had to say, it sounds as though over a 21 period in your search for the Florida Panther and your research on that, that you had developed an interest in the Bigfoot.
Yes.
And during the time when you had your first sighting, when you were in your van and trying to park and everything, if I remember correctly, you said that before you went out that you had actually gone out to debunk that story, that there had been sightings, and that you'd gone out there to debunk the story.
So I'm wondering if you're interested in discount it.
If you had the interest, why would you want to discount it?
Well, there's a reason for that because in the area where the initial sightings were taking place, this is the sighting flats of August 1997, the summer of 1997.
Actually, two weeks of July and then into the month of August and a little bit of September.
There were a lot of stories flying back and forth that one of the reasons why there was these sudden reports of Skunk Cave Bigfoot in that area was to prepare the people in Everglade City and Ochope and what have you, that area were preparing publicity set up to attract interest and tourists coming down in the fall.
And being aware of all the physical evidence that I had gathered over the years, roughly last, well, 21 years at that point, the curiosity got the better part of me because there were two reporters down there doing the same thing and trying to discount all the sightings and make it kind of a joke.
And I was not interested in discounting it to make it a joke.
I was going to discount it if there was not physical evidence to back up the sightings.
And there were some really intriguing sightings, and there was also a photograph that the chief, the fire chief down there took of something in the tree line that he saw.
And I talked to those people, and they were very sincere with their efforts and all like that.
And I was having a hard time discounting it.
One of my approaches, sometimes in situations like that, when you have sightings, is go in, rather be an objective discounted, and when you can't discount it, then you've got physical evidence that's going to come up to prove that in fact it existed.
With me, I had a sighting of one.
So that wipes out any possibility in the future of ever discounting Bigfoot in that particular area.
I would have a trouble discounting anything, any sighting on Bigfoot now.
On the newly revived Unsolved Mysteries, first or second episode, somebody writes, there was indeed a Bigfoot sighting that they showed on tape in Florida, somewhere in the Deep South, anyway.
I saw 25 of the 27 photos that a guy down there by the name of Dave Shealy took.
And in fact, he called me up the next day after he had taken the pictures and wanted me to come out and take a look at them.
And he had them in negatives, and some of them are also in print.
And that is, it shows, they're still, they're photos.
It's not videotape or anything.
But there is a series of what I call a series of behavioral series working there when you line them all up from right to left.
And they're very intriguing.
There's two photos in there that just absolutely fantastic.
One of them actually shows the back with the arms stretched out a little bit.
And he's coming up out of the water a little bit.
And you can actually see the muscles twitching up in the back of the shoulders.
Now, the people in the area here are quick to discount those photos.
I have taken two of them, negative and prints, two photographers and one photo analyst.
And they could not find anything to indicate that there was a creature superimposed onto the negatives or trying to hoax it, that sort of thing.
They couldn't find anything wrong with it.
One photographer had a problem with the height of the creature that you see in the photo.
But for the most part right now, and I don't know if Mr. Shealy has taken these to be analyzed by others in the Bigfoot Circle, at least at this point I don't know.
It's pretty hard to discount these.
Now, I have visited four times now and tracked directly in the area where Dave Shealy had taken those photos.
And I was out there three days after he took the photos and tracked heavily all through there.
But the problem was there's a water line there at that point, and there were no tracks at all whatsoever.
So those photos have been offered by Dave Shealy to the Bigfoot community as very strong circumstantial evidence of Bigfoot in the Everglades.