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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Maj. Ed Dames - Remote Viewing

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	Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere In Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, wherever you may be in this great commercially covered area from the Hawaiian and Haitian Islands, in the West, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, South into South America, North all the way to the Pole and worldwide, on the old Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And I'm Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	I have been on vacation, somewhat unplanned, for the last three weeks to attend to some intensely personal, urgent business that relates again to what has been going on with my family.
	And, I'm back.
	Now, over the next, uh, a little while, you may notice that, uh, From time to time, there will be some very talented individuals filling in for me, like Hilly Rose.
	Thank you, thank you, Hilly.
	Thank you very much.
	And he'll fill in some spots for me, and you may also notice some other very talented individuals.
	Peter Weisbeck, who is a colleague of mine, may make an appearance.
	Willie Strieber.
	They make an appearance.
	There may be some people sort of rotating in and out, making appearances, and taking a shot at Coast to Coast AM.
	So, there you are.
	And again, particularly a great thanks to Hilly Rose, who filled in for me on rather short notice.
	And I know everybody says, well, tell us what it's all about.
	Well, I can't, and I won't.
	And nothing has changed, except some of the circumstances involving a situation with my family.
	My feeling is, it will be known to you soon, but not by me.
	And when it is known to you, you will understand why not by me.
	Having said that, let me again recall my favorite H.L.
	Mencken quote, Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands Lucky!
	Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats.
	Thank you, H. L. Macon.
	Now, Ed Dames is going to be here, and if you're a wuss and you can't handle hearing Ed Dames, and he does have some, you know, they call him Dr. Doom, but he's trying to, he's trying to shed that hat a little bit, or as much as one can.
	There are serious, very serious things that we have to talk about, so It obviously can't go all at once.
	Look, we've got a war that we don't know how the hell we got into, we don't know how we're going to get out of, and we don't know what we're going to do, and we've got politicians trying to give the President permission to put troops into a war, and I call it that, not a conflict, not a strike, but a war.
	They're trying to give him permission that didn't go through to put troops on the ground down there, all out of their damn minds.
	This whole war is insane, in my opinion.
	We've got to weather the... Well, I'll tell you, last night while I was watching it, as I'm sure many of you were on CNN, the horrific tornadoes, the F5s that were slashing across Oklahoma and Kansas, killing and simply taking down to the ground everything they touched.
	We've got kids killing kids more than ever.
	We've got guys crashing their cars into playgrounds so they can kill kids.
	Don't tell me we're not in the quickening.
	I call it that.
	We're damn square into the middle of it, or maybe the middle of the beginning of it.
	Is it going to get worse?
	Well, maybe that's a good question for Ed Dames, along with a lot of other questions.
	We'll get to that shortly.
	Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
	Smart idea?
	I would love to see that happen.
	A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
	Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
	What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
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	You never know what you'll hear on Coast to Coast AM with George Norris.
	You know, there is terrorism out there.
	So, in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
	I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, horrible groups, That would create this terror to continue to control us.
	I think you're absolutely correct.
	But of course, anybody that's followed the process of governments throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
	And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
	Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
	Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
	Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
	It's just a matter of time.
	Now we take you back to the night of May 4th, 1999, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	All right, he's in the Hawaiian Islands, in a safe place, and he remotely, technically
	remote views.
	Now, remote viewing, to give you the quickie 101 background, remote viewing was a project of our government, at millions and millions of dollars, over a 20 year period.
	Our own government.
	Russians did it, everybody, and I'm convinced we're still doing it, by the way, no matter what anybody says, even I think we're still doing it.
	Anyway, remote viewing is, um, how to describe it?
	A disciplined psychic might be one way of describing it.
	Remote viewing can look into the future, the present, the future, the past.
	Remote viewing is capable of looking at Things in other places, people in other places.
	Remote viewing is a discipline that crosses the borders of time and space.
	And Ed Daines is one of those who was in that military program.
	He's a very controversial character.
	Then again, so am I. You know, people either love me or they hate me.
	There's not much in between.
	It's about the same with you, Ed.
	People either love you or hate you.
	Welcome back, Art.
	Thank you.
	Welcome back to you.
	Remote viewing is also consistent and accurate.
	It's very rigorous.
	All we use is a pen and paper, but the actual discovery was very unique and very classified.
	How, by the way, was remote viewing discovered?
	I guess it goes to Ingo Swann, doesn't it?
	It does.
	Prior to his discovery, we in the military used altered states, and that was a hit or miss.
	It worked.
	Partially, but it wasn't consistent enough to be used in military operations all the time.
	But Ingo Swann's discovery in 82 changed all of that.
	You know, there's really something I wanted to ask about.
	Ingo Swann in 82, yes, but even before that, what about certain types in India, for example?
	Didn't they really almost do remote viewing, Ed?
	Absolutely, Art, but you have to understand that It was tailored for that particular culture and the times that that culture was immersed in.
	For instance, a savant in India would not be able to describe the interior mechanisms of a nuclear weapon correctly, so that would be of no use to us.
	We would have to introduce someone like that who was a savant, a clairvoyant.
	We'd have to introduce him and educate him in what we wanted in terms of technology, and that would take many years.
	Where we, as trained technicians, I was a scientific and technical intelligence collection officer, was fairly familiar, at least in a general way, With weapons technology, so that when I remote view a nuclear weapon or biological warfare plan, I could at least describe what I was viewing, rather than just say a green glass or a glass full of green goo, something like that.
	Exactly right.
	So in other words, disciplined people like yourself acting for the military for national security reasons, put simply, right?
	In those days, yes.
	That was a decade ago.
	This is SciTech's 10th anniversary, and we don't do that anymore.
	You left the military.
	You founded SciTech, a private sector operation.
	By the way, Ed, how did they feel about that?
	Did you ever get any feedback from the old group about how they felt about you leaving the military and opening up a civilian operation?
	There are two aspects of that.
	One was that it It took everybody by surprise, but you have to remember, and I mentioned this before, remote viewing was abandoned.
	It became such a controversial thing, a potato, if you will, that it was abandoned.
	When that happened, then I took it public.
	Only then, when it was thrown away.
	Because it was far too valuable a thing to throw away.
	But if it's really, really that valuable, they may have publicly, now I know you and I differ on this, publicly abandoned a remote viewing, as of the Ted Koppel Show that revealed to the nation that remote viewing was real, and we've been doing it for 20 years, but they've abandoned it.
	You know, if it really works, if it really works, Ed, then I don't believe they've abandoned it.
	our site that you could keep her at the keys we we could that the technology and
	we could have the cutting-edge technologies this was too big into controversial thing for the
	department of defense site that has that technology now
	in a national emergency the government can turn to us
	we provided continuity and and the evolution of the technology from what and all
	that time Do you think they would, by the way, in other words, if there was a really big national emergency, something horrific, would they turn to you?
	Absolutely.
	Stolen nuclear weapon, missing plutonium, something like that.
	Well, we've got two tons of plutonium missing, by the way.
	Yes, I know.
	Any idea where that might be at?
	Yes, I do.
	You do?
	Yes.
	Where, Ed?
	Where is that plutonium?
	Two tons?
	That's a lot of plutonium!
	Yes, it's unaccounted for.
	It's probably not two tons.
	Less than that.
	Unaccounted for plutonium.
	I took this up at Los Alamos National Lab with an individual a number of years ago and told them, we have a problem.
	Here's the problem.
	What you are seeing is unaccounted for plutonium.
	Do you know where that is?
	It happens to be in another country.
	Now, the route that it took to get to the other country is what is very controversial and something that I cannot talk about.
	Oh, great!
	So it's not even in our country?
	That's correct.
	It's not in our country.
	Wonderful.
	No, it's not.
	Probably in Beijing or something.
	Well, it's a... You can't talk about it, right?
	No, there are two things I'm going... two subjects that I'll approach tonight that I know about already.
	Uh, that I just can't go into.
	This is one, and there's one more, and it deals with an aspect of the contrail problem.
	Oh, yes.
	You remember that you asked, uh... Thursday night, Friday morning.
	I did, yes.
	Thursday night, Friday morning, I'm going to have, um, Mr. Thomas back on.
	We're going to talk about it again.
	Because, I just, you know, it's something that at first blush, Ed, the average person, and that was me, says, oh, what a crock.
	But the more I'm into this, the more I hear, the more reports I get, the more lab reports that are done, blah, blah, blah, all the rest of it, the more I'm starting to believe that there is something going on.
	So now you're telling me you can't comment on it.
	I'm saying there are three aspects of it.
	One of those aspects is something that I can't comment too much on.
	The other two I can talk about.
	Talk about whatever you can talk about, whatever you can tell us.
	What do you know about this?
	Well, first of all, many of the reports, and I think you know now, know enough about technical remote viewing, that we have to take things on a case-by-case basis, usually.
	Yes.
	And that's the best way for us to work, rather than looking at the contrail, problem, or enigma in general.
	We will take a specific case, or a series of cases, subject them to 45-minute remote viewing sessions, and in the end come up with sketches, And written descriptions of what we're dealing with.
	Well, that's a hell of a job.
	That's like saying taking 10,000 UFO reports and trying to sift through them to find out which was a real UFO.
	In other words, you look at separate contrail reports and you try to discern if any of them involve bogus baloney going on, stuff being dropped on us it shouldn't be.
	And I would imagine most of the time what you find are real contrails, right?
	Generally speaking, what we find are your normal contrails, condensation in the air.
	Generally?
	Generally.
	That is, a number of the cases that I remote-viewed lately were just that.
	Just regular contrails.
	Another cross-section were not.
	These were experiments done by various agencies, U.S.
	agencies, and they were concerned with atmospheric testing.
	Atmospheric testing?
	Actually, atmospheric chemistry.
	Anything, Ed, relating to the weather?
	Well, not the weather directly, although I'll have something to say about that momentarily.
	These were aircraft missions, on missions that were assigned by either National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, quasi-governmental agencies like the Jet Propulsion Lab or NASA, and even the Department of Energy, all looking at atmospheric chemistry and the effect of aerosols, droplets, different types of droplets, On atmospheric chemistry, what are these aerosols doing to the stratosphere and the troposphere?
	Because it's a very complex soup up there.
	And these missions look at that for one specific reason, and that is because of the seriousness, the dire seriousness of the ozone problem.
	The public is generally not informed about how serious our ozone problem is.
	You know, I've got a little ultraviolet detector.
	I got it from Bob Crane.
	It's incredible.
	You can take it out, and it tells you, as soon as you put it in the sun, it gives you a number.
	And today's was seven.
	Very high, it said.
	And we are having a lot of ultraviolet, Ed.
	I can tell you.
	I'm checking it now every single day.
	I'm familiar with that particular instrument.
	There are much more sophisticated ones that I use in my field sites.
	But the problem is understated by the government.
	And anyway, some of the missions that people see are specifically flown.
	The crisscross missions?
	Yes, sir.
	There are aircraft that are flown right through at a perpendicular angle and inside and behind other aircraft that are producing contrails to study droplet formation and look at the atmospheric chemistry produced by aircraft at high altitude in order to produce
	some type of analytical result and come to conclusions about what high flying aircraft,
	jet aircraft are doing.
	What the ... What effects they were having?
	Yes.
	So that was ... That's a lot of the crisscross paths that you see.
	Not a lot, but a number of them were these very high altitude missions that were flown
	specifically to study aerosols.
	So you're confirming for us then that the Contrail story is not all bogus at all?
	Well, the parts of it that deal with things spin-drift-like stuff falling from the sky is the aspect that I haven't talked about yet.
	And that's the third part.
	That you can or can't talk about?
	I can only mention it in passing because it's a very sensitive issue and I'll talk around it momentarily.
	Alright, alright.
	Yeah, the spiderweb-like crap coming out of the sky.
	All those reports.
	William Thomas will be here Thursday night, Friday morning on Contrails.
	So, after this break, we'll take a quick pass at the spiderweb-like stuff coming out of the skies.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
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	Contrails, huh?
	I really did think it was a bunch of baloney at first.
	But I'm sorry to say, events and investigation convinced me otherwise.
	There is something to it.
	There is something going on.
	And now Ed seems to be suggesting there is in fact, and there is a third aspect to it in a moment.
	We'll get to that.
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	Now we take you back to the night of May 4th, 1999, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Once again, from the TRV viewed safety of the Hawaiian Islands, here's Ed Dames, Major Ed Dames.
	Major, welcome back.
	The third aspect of the contrails, that material which is seen to fall, it's been reported that people have actually gathered it up, Ed, put it in a jar to get it analyzed, and it virtually has disappeared.
	Well, it's fairly ephemeral.
	It is a chemical.
	I don't think that there's going to be anyone that's going to figure out what it is used for because the project is very classified.
	And it is a defense initiative.
	It's not a weather modification initiative.
	It has nothing to do with ozone repair.
	And by the way, it would be many decades before we could even hope to understand enough of the atmospheric chemistry to try remedial measures.
	OK, well, let me ask this.
	Is it good for us or bad for us?
	And by us, I mean here on the ground?
	In the case of a national emergency, It may prove very beneficial for us.
	It may protect us.
	That's about as much as I can say about it.
	If I told you what it was... You'd have to kill me.
	No.
	Not only would you not hear from me again, but you would become very angry at me because I would have divulged a secret that was something that may very well protect many, many people.
	against an attack.
	Strategic attack.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, just getting to ask if it's a good thing or a bad thing, I guess I'll settle for that.
	Well, there are prices to pay for defense.
	One of them may be some people becoming ill or sick temporarily in areas where this is tested.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	There was another tornado in Texas, I think, tonight.
	But yesterday, My time's on anyway yesterday.
	I sat and I watched the most godforsaken scene I've ever seen.
	And I've watched this kind of stuff for a long time.
	Tornadoes a mile wide.
	79 total tornadoes or more.
	Killing 43, they think now, and wounding hundreds and hundreds, over 600.
	A couple thousand homes damaged.
	I mean, it's just absolutely unbelievable.
	We'll put another word in there.
	But you came on my show last fall, and you said coming to the American Midwest would be the mother of all tornadoes.
	And if that wasn't the mother of all tornadoes, I don't know what was, or has the mother not yet arrived.
	I don't know, Art.
	What I remote-viewed coming in the Midwest was something so horrific.
	It was the size of the type of tornadoes that were hitting the day before yesterday.
	I didn't continue that as a study or a remote-viewing project, but I can tell you that these results, this turmoil in our atmosphere that we see, at least in the immediate The recent geological or geophysical history is because of our loss of ozone.
	That is the reason we see and we are going to see much more of these horrific storms, tornadoes, and it's going to change the way we think about living and growing food crops.
	Now let me see what I've heard about ozone.
	I've heard that There is less of it, the ozone hole is bigger, that the ozone over the U.S.
	is down by X number of percent, cancers are up by so much, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	They're not telling us the whole story, I take it, about the effects of the reduced ozone.
	It's not so much that they're keeping that.
	There are a number of individuals in many of the agencies that know how serious it is, but they're not in a position to make official announcements.
	They'd probably lose their job, but they did.
	But what the scientific community does not know is that the ozone problem is more serious than they know.
	There's almost a metastasis.
	Three years ago, on your show, I said this.
	There is a metastasis that's happening, very much like cancer, in the ozone layer, where there are patches, not just one or two big holes.
	forming over continents, there are patches that are forming.
	It's a destructive process a la cancer.
	We can't stance the flow of this.
	We can't stop it. The ozone problem is extremely bad.
	It's going to result in a tremendous amount of damage to the surface of the Earth.
	The traditional explanation for the depletion of the ozone is CSEs.
	Is that, in your view, correct?
	Because they predict that since we stopped using various things that produce CFCs and air conditioning and so forth, Freon, that eventually this will get better, but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
	Is that accurate, or are we missing it altogether?
	I think that it is fairly accurate, except for this is happening at a time When solar activity is abnormal and the ozone loss problem in conjunction with extreme levels of solar activity are going to result in damage that's irreparable and then extreme loss of life.
	And that'll be manifested, you're suggesting, I take it, by storms like the ones we just witnessed?
	All that's only one small aspect, Art.
	You're going to have heat waves and storms and flooding in places that we've never experienced it before, at levels that we've never experienced it before.
	We're not going to be able to grow food the way we used to grow it.
	Well, I live out here near Death Valley and it gets really hot here in the summer.
	If we were to have an abnormal heat wave here, you know, it wouldn't be good.
	I mean, I see occasionally you can see temperatures where I live at 118, something like that.
	Am I in a bad place?
	I don't know.
	That would be something that a team of remote viewers would have to look at.
	We'd have to actually subject that area of the globe to study and to do our predictive work and determine what that has in store for it.
	Yeah, I don't know if I want to know.
	I don't blame you.
	There's a lot of things that I don't know if I want to know.
	That's why I've not pursued remote viewing because, for example, with respect to my own death, I don't really want to know.
	And I know that you could remote view your own death and know how and when and haven't, right?
	I may be able to know how and when, if that has solidified so to speak and is on the horizon as a fixed point.
	Then there would be no problem in me describing that.
	As a remote viewer, Ed, if that was getting close, if your own impending death was getting close, would you see it whether you liked it or not, or would you only see it... Do you see what I'm saying?
	Absolutely.
	As a target, would you see it, or would it come to you whether you liked it or not?
	No, we would never know, unless we turn our attention, like any other instrument or tool, For instance, a pair of binoculars or a telescope, if you are not pointing that tool in a specific direction, you're oblivious to everything else.
	It's a very myopic, but very accurate tool.
	So, you've got to be looking for a specific thing.
	Think of astronomy.
	It really takes a lot of time and effort to plan a night of observation.
	You can't just go out there and slew your telescope across the sky and look for some nebula somewhere that you thought you might want to look at and visit that night.
	That's a lot of planning.
	Technical remote viewing is the same way.
	Same way.
	In other words, you've really got to plan what you're going to go after, you've got to, in effect, target it, and that would even apply to your own death.
	So you choose then, or at least you have chosen in years past, to always say you didn't want to remote view your own death.
	Not particularly.
	Not particularly.
	And it isn't that much of preparation.
	I don't mean to say, we call this in our business, queuing.
	And it is very, very similar to an internet search, where you just need to... The more specific the search term, the easier and the faster it is to acquire the results, the data that you're looking for.
	Well, that would be, in the world of noise and spikes, a real big spike.
	So, I would assume that anybody who got your remote viewing tapes learned to remote view.
	Could, if they wished, remote view their own demise, eh?
	It would take about a year of practice, really serious practice, to do something like that, because it is such an emotional issue, personally emotional, for most people, that that would actually get in the way of the data.
	All right.
	I understand that.
	Personally, so emotional that there would be no way to keep from interjecting interference from your own psyche.
	Okay, I'll take that.
	But could Ed Dames remote view my death?
	Yes.
	Accurately?
	Yes.
	Without emotional involvement?
	Well, we're friends, so that might not be the case.
	I mean, generally.
	Three years ago, the answer would have been unequivocally, on my part, unequivocally yes.
	Right now, that would not be so.
	Well, here's the biggie, then.
	Suppose you remote-viewed mine or anybody else's death.
	And you told them the circumstances, the rough time, and how it would happen.
	Could they change it?
	It appears to bring in the paradox problem, but many times in these cases it doesn't.
	For instance, sometimes at the unconscious level a person has chosen to check out.
	Now they may not consciously accept this when you tell them, but as a remote viewer you can see true and you can say, hey, it looks like the psychological makeup of this individual is such that they have chosen to check out.
	And therefore, if you tell them, well, you're going to die of, let's say, liver disease, they may just accept that and check out anyway.
	And more often than not, in my business, that is what we have found.
	Would you not worry that if you told somebody, okay, you're going to be checking out in three years liver disease, wouldn't you worry that, kind of like voodoo, you had You could never really be quite sure that you hadn't, in effect, caused that.
	Well, that's where the ethical considerations come in.
	Of course you're right, because the mind is a very powerful thing.
	Sure is.
	And we can cause our own demise in that way.
	The mind takes precedence over our bodies.
	I have a little bit more to say about that later.
	You know, what you access to do your remote viewing is Is it fair to say it's a collective consciousness?
	No.
	No, it is not.
	It's a universal mind.
	In fact, it's a misnomer for me to say that we all have individual minds, because what we are finding out in my laboratory, that is not true.
	There is only one mind, and there are a number of individual minds.
	That sounds synonymous with what I was just saying, a collective togetherness, a one Giant consciousness.
	There is a giant mind.
	But the idea of collective consciousness is one step below that universal mind.
	So for instance, let's get down to some basics.
	Suppose that tonight while you were sleeping, and this is not too far-fetched now, I had a machine that I could bring into your room and make a complete copy of your brain.
	Absolutely right down to the molecular level.
	You don't have a machine like that, do you?
	No, I do not.
	But it's conceivable at this Yeah, I get back with my three-dimensional model of Art Bell's brain and I pour in a lot of proteins and enzymes and amino acids and all the right biochemistry.
	Feed me!
	And I make a copy of your brain.
	Oh great!
	And then I take all the other biochemicals that I need and the blood I start pumping that stuff through there and I plug in some
	electronic eyes and ears and a mouthpiece and I wake you up.
	Now this particular brain that I've made is looking at me and it looks around my laboratory
	and it knows that something is very wrong because it thinks that it's the same Art Bell
	that is still asleep in the bed.
	It wouldn't know otherwise, would it?
	It wouldn't know.
	All the memories, every single memory from the time that you remember anything to the moment that you fell asleep is there in duplicate.
	Except the situation now is very different.
	You're not in your room.
	You're in my lab.
	Yeah, except when you woke me up and explained all this to me, I'd be pissed.
	Well, you wouldn't, the Art Bell that's asleep in the bed, when he wakes up and goes to work or goes out to the hot tub, he has no idea that he's been copied.
	Now which is the real you?
	There's two you's.
	You're both conscious.
	Where's your identity, Art?
	I'll tell you what I would say.
	I might be wrong, but my answer to you, if I was really pressed on that one, I'd say the Art Bell with a soul.
	Well, you're one step ahead of me now.
	Let's back up.
	So I'm in the laboratory looking at you, and I think, boy, I don't like this experiment.
	I'm going to pull the plug on you.
	Now, most people would do what?
	Me, the copy.
	You, the copy.
	The brain on my lab bench, plugged into the electronic eyes and mouth.
	What would you do if I told you, I'm going to pull the plug on you?
	I'd spit a transistor at you.
	I do everything I could to prevent you from terminating it.
	What are you terminating?
	Terminating what?
	Life.
	And with that life goes what?
	Consciousness.
	Yes.
	But where is your mind?
	Where is that copy's mind?
	The answer is that it doesn't have a mind.
	There's only one mind, and that particular brain, that oscillator, because brains are oscillators, the way that it perceives its universe is dependent, is a function of how it is constructed geometrically, all of those connections, and how those connections operated during its existence.
	That is a radio that demodulates and decodes things based upon its geometry from this universal mind.
	So mind itself is like radio frequency field and your brain is like an oscillator that
	pulls out certain patterns from it.
	So when I pull the plug on your brain I've stopped your life and I've stopped the consciousness
	of that organism.
	That's all.
	Okay?
	Where is your soul?
	Your soul is in another dimension.
	Mind does not occupy space, but soul does.
	Well, would this copy have a soul?
	That is a good question.
	It's one that we're working on now.
	It's one that I'm working on in my laboratory.
	It's a really important question.
	It is a very important question, and I'll tell you why, Art, because the end game that I have in my lab is teleportation.
	Now, I want to know, if we teleport an individual, a human being with a soul, Animals don't have the kinds of souls that we do.
	If I teleport Art Bell to somewhere else a la The Fly, are you going to come out with the lights are on but nobody's home and the soul went somewhere else and your body, the organism went one way?
	What's going to happen?
	I would very much like to use technical remote viewing.
	To model the dynamic and the mechanics of that operation before we really teleport somebody.
	Where is, what is going to happen to the soul?
	Alright, suppose through technical remote viewing you determine that in fact the soul would be lost in such transfer or such copy or however you want to put all this.
	What could you do about it?
	It would still be coming, wouldn't it?
	Ed Dames couldn't stop it.
	We'd still have to go down that technological trail.
	Well, there's always more than one way to skin a cat.
	We'd find something.
	But right now I find it a fascinating problem because... It is, yeah.
	There was a point where natural science and there was a divergence point where a long time ago, a number of centuries ago, science split away from spirituality.
	And now I see these kinds of questions reconverging.
	There's a point that's being reached in our technology, especially apparent in my lab.
	All right.
	We'd better be careful.
	You're damn right about that.
	We'll be right back.
	Ed Dames is my guest.
	Stay right there.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	and human inventiveness have these spiritual, at least immaterial implications now.
	We'd better be careful.
	We'd better be careful.
	You're damn right about that.
	We'll be right back.
	Ed Dames is my guest.
	Stay right there.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	I have spent my destiny in quite a similar way.
	I'm a history book of the ship.
	Thank you.
	Oh, rolling and riding and slipping and sliding, it's magic.
	It's a living thing.
	It's a terrible thing to lose.
	Higher and higher, baby It's a living thing
	It's a terrible thing to lose It's a given thing
	What a terrible thing to lose It's a living thing
	It's a living thing Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired May 4th, 1999.
	I'm so sorry to report to you, I got a report just prior to the news.
	We've lost another Apache helicopter.
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	Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
	Smart idea?
	I would love to see that happen.
	A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
	Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
	What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars?
	Now we take you back to the night of May 4th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Alright, once again, here's Ed Dames, Major Ed Dames.
	Here's typical, you know, people either love Ed or they hate him.
	That's very much the way it is with me.
	Someone writes, Art, you know, when Ed Dames comes on your program, my radio goes off.
	You know he lies.
	And half of his posted remote viewing is nothing more than intelligence propaganda.
	How gullible can you be?
	Says an unsigned OS John.
	It's at the top.
	Ha ha.
	Forgot about your header up there, John.
	Oh, see, there you are, Ed.
	See, those are the kind of people that hate you.
	And that's the kind of thing they say, that you were in military, you were in intelligence, you're still there, you're still dispensing intelligence garbage and all that stuff.
	Well, that's a legacy I can't outrun, and so that part I understand.
	I think, had I been a civilian, For most of my life.
	There's a very real possibility that given the state of affairs in our culture and society that I might think the same way too about someone like me.
	So I understand.
	Would it surprise you to know that I've wondered about you myself?
	Oh no, not at all.
	In fact, I've known that you have.
	As a matter of fact, a lot of people out there wonder about me.
	But I have found that there's nothing you can do about that.
	I mean, there is simply nothing you can do.
	So denying it Makes it worse.
	There's no point.
	Well, yes, that would be... Yeah, you're right.
	It just makes it worse.
	It makes it worse, the situation, and you have to stay focused and keep on keeping on.
	So instead, your answer is really the right one.
	You know, yeah, sure.
	If I were in your shoes, I might imagine the same thing.
	So that's what I've noticed, that people... It's because you're so controversial, you know.
	Listen, you know, we're in such a blinding mess right now, Ed.
	Somebody writes, Art, welcome back.
	And he says, you know, when the gods, plural here, when the gods want to rid themselves of a civilization, they first drive it crazy.
	And that would appear to be underway right now, and I could go through the new Ebola outbreak, the war, the mindless, idiotic War.
	We're in the five tornadoes.
	You know, the ozone.
	I mean, we could just go through a whole laundry list of things.
	The Columbine massacre.
	That horrid, horrid thing.
	Kids killing kids.
	All of it.
	I put it all together into one thing that I've called the quickening, as you well know.
	I wrote a book about it.
	We're dead smack in the middle of it right now.
	Where are we going?
	We're going to hell.
	The darkness is descending.
	Like I have said before, it's time to start thinking about rebuilding now because it's over.
	When we rebuild, we've got to do it the right way.
	The American children killing children, that was an unprecedented thing and it was the impetus before last Christmas that made me stop what I was doing and say, I need to take a tactical remote viewing look Is that what's going on?
	this to see what is driving that.
	And that was the threshold that made me turn my attention to this idea of Satan.
	And actually, SciTech has initiated a program to hopefully help counter some of the horror,
	and I'll talk to you about that momentarily.
	Is that what's going on?
	In other words, we are experiencing Satan's work?
	Satan is, at the same time, an entity and not, right?
	Thank you.
	He is.
	It was an entity.
	And we've talked about this before.
	I don't honestly know.
	Again, we work a case-by-case basis.
	I did not research The horrible event at Columbine and I don't know what is behind that but I did institute an initiative action program on our part to try to hopefully ameliorate the conditions in that region of Colorado and we've done that already.
	Well, one of these kids had, now they've found, some sort of behavioral modification, low level of drug in his system.
	But otherwise, they weren't druggies, they weren't what you would expect.
	Everybody, when something horrible like this happens, they want to look for and find something they can pin it on.
	You know, these kids were on drugs, these kids were criminals, you know, whatever.
	I think that children today, our children, They're not even certain if there's such a thing as truth, much less having the ability to discern it.
	So I think this idea, this light of truth, is being snuffed out, and the darkness is descending allegorically.
	Well, is there a lot of truth anymore, Ed?
	Well, if there is, it's difficult to sort it out.
	That's why I love my technology so much, because despite my ego or my background, it comes out.
	And I'd like to talk a little bit about that.
	These kids are not sure what to believe in and they're not even sure if there's anything to believe in at all and they feel powerless.
	I see it in my own kids.
	I used to drive my sons up to Denver and Middleton and with those high school kids, the same ones, we played hockey.
	They were kids hockey teams.
	It was a nice community.
	It was a place where I would have loved to have lived and then this happened.
	People are striking out, whether they're adults or children, when they feel powerless.
	That's how wars start, really.
	Not out of a sense of powerlessness, as you know.
	Or they're in pain.
	The children really need to find out for themselves that people aren't people.
	They're not just statistics when we live.
	They're not just dust in the wind when we die.
	So rather than try to study this problem to death, because I felt so bad about it, What I decided to do yesterday is I instituted SciTech Operation Guiding Light.
	That may be a homey name, but that's what I call it.
	What we're going to begin doing is because our tapes are not affordable by high school kids, we're going to start donating them to American high schools.
	Really?
	I just sent two sets to Chatfield Senior High.
	yesterday and and chadfield is taking in the columbine uh... student body and until their school is cleanup
	and so they've got two sets and we're gonna kick this off fast and furious
	and in the hopes that and making these available
	children will learn to have a tool where they can discern the truth
	so high school librarians will be getting these tapes and we've talked with them
	and and uh... in fact any high school administrator u s high school
	administrator or librarians interested in this program can contact us at our website
	on the web at scitech.net and we'll get provide them with more information about it
	and it will list the recipients the u.s. high schools that have these tapes
	so you.
	It's an empowering tool for students, and it's sexier than a video game or a Saturday night special.
	It's top secret classified technology used by real psychic spies to penetrate the deepest secrets in the see-through, and we're going to teach high school kids how to do this.
	They'll not only learn about the unknown, they'll learn about themselves, and they'll be able to see what their real priority should be, hopefully.
	They'll be able to learn how to maintain focus on those priorities.
	They don't have to be an athlete or an A student.
	They just have to practice like hockey.
	They have to learn to step aside from their egos in order to successfully see true.
	The most impressive results will come when they learn how to tackle a problem or mount an expedition into the collective unconscious, as you call it, the matrix, as a team or a group.
	We're not going to leave them stranded.
	Scitech is welcoming these young people into our online classrooms, into our chat rooms.
	Ed, I think it's a wonderful thing you're doing.
	I think it is.
	Now, let me qualify that with a question.
	Is it, without qualification, Ed, a good thing to know the truth?
	I can't answer that question.
	I don't know the answer to that question.
	I am a simple man.
	I used the kiss principle.
	Keep it simple, stupid.
	The walls are collapsing on our society.
	The earth is in our people.
	I mean, young people, when they learn this, they can see how awesome it is and yet how easy it can be when they demonstrate it to their parents or their siblings.
	Well, give me the place where it's an upside.
	In other words, we're talking about children now that for no reason are killing and not giving a Here's how I look at it.
	about their own lives and ending their own lives at the end of their little
	killing spree it's so horrible
	how with the truth
	with the truth uh... help these people or with the truth
	solidify for them what they feel uh... it's a whole question to ask
	but i you know if you don't
	if you let me explain for just a moment Sure.
	This is sort of a background behind this.
	This was my philosophy in doing this.
	It's sort of my philosophy behind my laboratory and everything else that SciTech does.
	I'll talk about our new laboratory and our new division later.
	Take a fool's advice on this, just for a moment.
	The universe is infinitely complex.
	In fact, as a remote viewer, that becomes blatantly clear immediately.
	The problem is that we're trying to navigate through all this without a compass.
	We don't even know where the waypoints are.
	Technical remote viewing is this great compass that can navigate its way around this and find the waypoints.
	But we as human beings can't self-define.
	We can't define who we are.
	We've got to go to an outside agency, preferably the creator, the one that seemingly abandoned us in this garden so long ago, to find out who we are and what the game plan is, because we can't find out ourselves.
	But there's some big clues out there, at least in the Western world.
	Supposedly, God created man in his own image.
	That makes us creators.
	of ideas and things too.
	Okay, remember that's one clue.
	Also it says that God is love.
	The writings say that.
	So it follows that God's creations must be acts of love.
	And in terms of man, free will being the supreme expression of that love.
	So that if we're creators, then our own creations, our thoughts and things, including our technologies, Should be these reflective acts of that self-same love creating our world and ourselves instead of destroying.
	The problem is that our egos are an extreme impediment to any vision and our brains aren't powerful enough to correct this deficiency.
	So we're not going to be able to remake the next world, a world of peace, without assistance.
	That is why I endorse the need to communicate with and to find mentors.
	By mentors I mean traditionally the teachers of men and that is angels.
	Now technical remote viewing isn't a replacement for prayer.
	It's an endorsement for it.
	I know prayer is extremely powerful.
	We are going to need prayer if you want to survive, if your consciousness wants to survive
	on this planet.
	You're going to really need that soon, very, very soon.
	I have a story for you too if you want me to continue.
	Absolutely.
	Go ahead.
	can grab even the best of us.
	Since I'm not the best of us, it grabs me all the time.
	I need technical remote viewing to be able to see around that.
	I can trust the results of my work to deliver up an untainted picture of what's true.
	I don't know if this is the kind of thing that should be aired on the Art Bell Show, but I'll tell you what I do sometimes.
	Personal life of Ed Dames.
	I look at a technical remote viewing search term, Ed Dames, I look at the idea associated with that of guidance from Jesus Christ.
	Now he's not alive, but mind is outside of time, so I can juxtapose the idea of me needing guidance against the mind of Jesus of Nazareth, regardless of whether he's alive today or not.
	Okay?
	Well, I did that a couple months ago.
	I do it periodically.
	And what my ego thought was, wow, what's going to come out of work like this?
	After all, I'm a super remote viewer.
	Maybe I'm special.
	Maybe I'll find a place that I can go and there'll be a burning bush or something like that, right?
	No ego there.
	Anyway, after 45 minutes of work, this is what I came up with.
	I sketched myself holding, somewhere that I knew about, high up about 8,800 feet on a mountainside, I sketched myself picking up a bundle of compressed cloth and handing it to an unseen person.
	That's what I ended up with after 45 minutes.
	As a result of searching Ed Dames' Jesus Christ Guidance.
	Right?
	Which means to what?
	Well, I knew that I had actually sketched myself that that was real.
	That this cloth was not symbolic.
	This compressed cloth in a sack.
	It was not symbolic either.
	Maybe this unseen entity was symbolic.
	The bottom line was, I didn't understand the results.
	I knew I needed to do more work to find out what this package was.
	and what this unseen person was.
	So I pushed that aside, sort of frustrated, and went back to work.
	Last week I was at my Project Starman staging area, which is very high up, and I dropped down about 2,000 feet, several miles away, to take some transects and do some other work.
	I looked across at an area about a quarter mile away and I saw something.
	I hiked across to that in very rugged terrain.
	Here, sitting on a rock, was this huge knapsack.
	Really?
	Knapsack.
	In the middle of nowhere.
	It had been there for quite a while.
	It was faded.
	And inside of this knapsack was a helmet, and a flight suit, and a parachute, and a reserve chute, all packed.
	Just like, just like my sketch.
	What the hell?
	And the name on it was of a person who lives far, far away in a distant country.
	So, I dragged this thing, heart attack city, rough terrain, dragged this thing back home.
	Took a day, found the person that it belonged to, and began preparations to ship it to this distant country.
	And I realized, oh my God, this is what I had remote viewed as a result of guidance.
	And the bottom line was, that's the guidance.
	It was simple.
	helping a stranger without a second thought.
	Someone who you've never met or know.
	That's astounding.
	And it was just a simple little thing.
	No burning bush.
	No pillar of fire.
	This was the idea of guidance from Jesus of Nazareth.
	I've got you.
	Hold it right there.
	We'll be right back.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Ed Dames is here.
	You're listening to ArcBell Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	Time after time.
	If you fall, I won't catch you.
	I'll be here where we wait daily.
	of the dark Out of my picture frames
	and darkness has turned to gray I'm watching through windows
	You're wondering if I'm okay Secrets stolen
	From deep inside The drumbeat
	Bye bye.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
	oh, oh, oh.
	Baby, I need your lovin' Baby, I need your lovin' Although you're never near Your voice I often hear
	Another day, another night I long to hold you tight Cause I'm so lonely
	Baby, I need your lovin' Not to have all your lovin' Baby, I need your lovin' Not to have all your lovin' Some say it's a sign of weakness Or a bad habit Every week I'd rather be If it means having you to keep Cause lately I've been losing sleep Hey, honey, honey
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	Love, actually, is only the single thing, I believe, that I know is true and pure and right.
	And about all the rest, I'm not so sure.
	Ed Dames is here, and we'll ask him a couple of specific questions, because after all, he did remote-view Satan, didn't he?
	And a million people have sent me faxes asking, well, what about God?
	What about the Creator?
	What about Jesus?
	He just covered a little bit of that for you, in a way.
	He just covered some of that.
	But with regard to the specifics, I wonder if we can get as specific with regard to the Creator and Jesus as we did with regard to Satan.
	We'll find out.
	stay right there you're listening to our bills somewhere in time on premier
	radio networks Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from
	May 4th, 1999.
	Before we move into one area I want to move into here, Ed, I want to give you a chance to... You've got remote viewing tapes.
	Anybody can remote view.
	Literally, anybody can remote view.
	And you, several years ago, blew up the remote viewing community.
	I'm sure a lot of people are really ticked off at you.
	And you produced these really good, I've seen the first one, and it is superb.
	The production quality of these things is Hollywood.
	It's as good as you'll see in any production anywhere ever done.
	I mean, it's superb.
	These are tapes that will teach you how to remote view.
	And the first one you can get, I know, for a very moderate cost.
	And I know from watching it that you will know after watching that first tape, folks, whether you want to go on and do the whole course or not.
	I know that because I watched it, and I haven't gone on yet.
	That doesn't mean that I think that it's not true.
	It just means that I don't know if I want to remove you.
	But if you do, you can get the tapes.
	And now, so if you would explain to everybody, Ed, the first tape is a kind of introductory, here's what it's all about, do you want to go on kind of tape.
	And it definitely accomplishes that.
	That's how much?
	$49.95.
	$49.95.
	If they want to take the whole course and they want to become a remote viewer, how much?
	That's five tapes, eight hours of instruction, and four months of study, and that's $249.95.
	And there's a background history tape called the Impossible Challenge that we throw in with that too.
	Also with great, that one I've seen too.
	By the way, absolutely awesome.
	These are the courses, the whole courses we're sending to high schools now as donations.
	Okay, for those who want to buy them, how do they buy them, what do they call, who do they call, what?
	Easy, it's a toll free number, two toll free, either one of two toll free numbers.
	numbers 1-888-878-0333 or 1-888-888-0333.
	0333 or 1-800-424-3234.
	one seven seven seven Or they can visit us on the World Wide Web.
	Wait a minute.
	You said 1-777.
	You didn't finish it.
	That's it.
	That's the last four digits.
	The same prefix.
	1-888-878-0333.
	1-888-878-0333 or 1-888-878-1777.
	Or?
	And any of the background or anything, they might want to study up on it and see us at
	work and they can reach us in the world wide web at scitech.net.
	T-S-I-T-E-C-H, one word.
	Yeah, it's important to tell people that.
	T-S-I-T-E-C-H, right?
	Yeah, a lot of people don't know.
	Sci, that is P-S-I in English.
	It's a romanization of the Greek letter Psi, and the general connotation in this century is things connected with the mind or parapsychology.
	Ergo, our name.
	Alright.
	We're ten years old now.
	There was a really big brouhaha when you remote viewed Satan.
	Even I worried for your safety.
	And I got a gazillion faxes, obviously from the religious community, wanting you to remote view the Creator.
	Jesus and or Jesus and so it's an obvious question you sort of dealt with it what can you tell us about the the Creator is the Creator as Satan was an entity a real entity that still is present in some manner that we could understand other than to sort of say collectively?
	Is there a real entity, the creator, Ed?
	Apparently not.
	It appears to be such a diffuse thing that it's all over and everywhere.
	But one could generally guess that.
	However, when you remote view it, that's what you get.
	It's like a hall of mirrors where it is everywhere and everything.
	Why do you get such a specific A total collective answer with regard to the Creator and yet a specific entity answer when you talk about Satan.
	Well, Satan is just an angel, not much further, far removed in the grand scheme of creation from an organism like man.
	Whereas the Creator created the angels.
	Remember, what we're dealing with at the laboratory level now It is interesting.
	Again, there's a convergence now of these epistemological, philosophical questions that, because of the technologies that were, you could call them, instead of developmental technologies, revelational technologies, because we're using technical remote viewing to leapfrog way over existing technologies.
	In our new division in SciTech, which we call Transluminonics.
	It's a new division in SciTech.
	We have several laboratories.
	That's a new name.
	I've never heard of it.
	Trans... Transluminonics.
	And it's a name that... I'll tell you how it's derived.
	The word superluminal means faster than light.
	Transluminal would imply outside of the speed of light.
	And indeed, that's the kind of things that we're working on in the lab.
	You know, in the Bible, supposedly it says, and the Lord said, let there be light.
	Well, what was there before light?
	There was something.
	Something between mind, the mind of the Creator, and the light.
	And that's the area that we're actually working at in our laboratory.
	Okay, well now we're talking about The Big Bang, really.
	In other words, prior to the Big Bang, theoretical physicists say, and I will never understand, that there was nothing.
	There was not time, there was not space, there was nothing.
	Nothing is an impossible concept.
	I disagree.
	I believe there was mind.
	Mind existed.
	Outside of time and space, right?
	That's correct.
	Remember, if we're supposed to be mirror images of the Creator itself, in a fractal sense, then we possess those self-same abilities.
	We just don't know that yet.
	In terms of human potential, we're not there yet.
	Although, I have to qualify that statement.
	I think that there have been savants through the ages that became aware of it as individuals, but not as a group.
	And that's where we're heading here.
	Was Nostradamus a savant?
	I've got a lot of people asking me, Ed, about a prediction, a prophecy of Nostradamus that would appear to involve the month of July of 1999.
	Comments?
	We've talked about that on an earlier show.
	It appears that if one uses technical remote viewing to look at the mind of Nostradamus, actually his consciousness, we now know, At the moment that he was downloading that, let's say it was true.
	Let's say it wasn't a hocus pocus or that he wasn't on drugs and that was a real event where he was actually able to see true as a clairvoyant into the future.
	Let's say all that was the case.
	Well, it appears to be the case to us at SciTech and I think that he was looking at a biological warfare attack and we've described this before.
	What he could do as a natural psychic, if he did it correctly, is something that we cannot do as technical remote viewers.
	We can't accurately place ourselves in calendrical time at this juncture, where natural psychics can sometimes do that.
	If that's the case, and he was right in July, one of the fears that he was looking at was a biological warfare attack.
	On U.S.
	soil.
	We talked about that in an earlier show.
	Yes, we did.
	So, look out for July, huh?
	Look out for this year.
	As I've said many years ago, all bets are off in 1999.
	Well, you can already see that's true.
	We're going to hit so hard and fast.
	Watch the Korean Peninsula and China.
	Be careful.
	You know, all eyes are focused on the Balkans, but that's not where it's good.
	Let me tell you something else.
	We're going to be sitting in a derriere somewhere else.
	Yep.
	Before I went on vacation, you weren't on with me.
	I was just doing an open line thing or whatever it was.
	I had a story, Ed.
	About a plant pathogen that has now showed up in Africa, that they've never seen before, that has said possibly that previously, this is a mutated form of something that was around before, that killed a third of the continent's crops.
	A third of an entire continent's crops.
	A plant pathogen ed in Africa.
	I read the story about it.
	And that it's going to move.
	It'll be carried by the winds.
	I think I recall that story, too.
	But that again, that's something that, looking over the horizon, that came out of nowhere, and under circumstances that would be considered not only ludicrous, but insane.
	Yet, we have to stick with our data.
	That's the predictive work that we've done in the past.
	And then Ebola.
	We've got Ebola.
	He's back again.
	Here's another thing that comes out of nowhere.
	Nowhere.
	Ebola, they still haven't figured out where it comes from, why it comes when it does, and why it goes away.
	Nobody has any idea what the hell is going on with Ebola.
	Do you know anything about that?
	I mean, it's kind of like the plant pathogen in a way.
	Ebola is not.
	In fact, years ago we offered up our services to both the Army and the National Institute of Health.
	And they had already spent about a million dollars attempting to track down the reservoir of Ebola.
	Where is Ebola when it goes to sleep?
	Exactly.
	And it becomes late and where does it hide?
	And my Vice President, Joni Durrup, drew an amazingly accurate sketch of a species of monkey.
	Now, this work is done blind.
	The viewer does not know what they're remote viewing.
	As you know.
	So, she had no idea of what the task was, not to mention what she was drawing.
	So, in the end, we had a monkey.
	Now, we can go on to determine whether or not that's the singular species that is the reservoir of Ebola.
	We could continue the study to see if there are other species or if it becomes dormant in the soil.
	Those kinds of things, that's what we can do.
	Well, we've got to have a receptive audience, whether it's a police department or an agency or somebody that wants our help.
	Otherwise, we're, you know, we'll move on to things of our own interest.
	In that case, they weren't interested.
	That's understandable, Art, because we're already pushing the envelope in terms of this technology.
	And science, it has to be conservative because of our, I mean, traditionally, it's been conservative.
	And I understand that.
	I accept it.
	I respect it.
	My laboratory is not conservative.
	So to get back to what I was saying, what we're dealing with in our lab in trans-luminomics is the pre-quantum effects of fields before they become light.
	So one of our first devices, our first technology, is focused on Wireless quantum teleportation switching devices.
	What we're telling the scientific community today is that we can develop switches that are operating at femtosecond switching speeds.
	That's 1 quadrillionth of a second.
	1 in 15 zeros.
	That fast.
	As fast as the fastest way we can now flash an x-ray laser.
	We can develop a switch That can switch that fast with zero travel time, no measurable elapsed time between transmit and receive, no physical connection at any distance.
	So you're talking about exceeding the speed of light?
	We're talking about not exceeding, but transluminal, not superluminal.
	We're talking about going behind the speed of light.
	We're talking about, and it's a proprietary technology.
	I understand what you're talking about.
	In other words, The best way it has been explained to me is that Einstein, of course, said we cannot travel faster than light.
	But if you imagine a little ant crawling across the paper, he's got to crawl all the way across.
	It would take all that time for the little ant to get from one side to the other.
	But if you fold it, the ant can walk from one edge of the paper to the other edge of the paper.
	And he has traversed all of that distance.
	Boom, like that, and that roughly is, in a way, what you're talking about, isn't it?
	You're not really, truly going faster than light, but you are, if you look at it in one way.
	Is that true?
	No, because it still implies that the ant is covering a distance, and what we're saying is that no distance is covered.
	None.
	Well, in the case of the paper folded over, virtually no distance.
	Okay, okay.
	So I'll agree with you.
	That is a rough analogy.
	A folding of time and space, if you will.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's a good analogy.
	Good.
	I thought it was.
	I was hoping it was.
	And that's what we're going to do.
	And we're going to shove that up the nose of the scientific community and say, It's not this that we were after, because we wanted to show you what the ramifications are of developing this, and that's the kind of thing that we're after in our laboratory.
	Yes, it's worth a lot of money, but that's not what we're after.
	We're after something else here.
	As you already know, we're developing psionics devices.
	We're Moxice, which we've talked about that too.
	And we're heading in a very interesting direction.
	We've got a biophotonics experiment where we deal with what's called mitogenetic radiation.
	What the hell is that?
	Mitogenetic radiation is very much like what the unconscious part of mind was to psychology early in the century.
	It's just something that, well, it's over there and we'll pretend it doesn't exist.
	Mitogenetic radiation is a very interesting thing.
	It's an observable phenomenon in human life, any life.
	When a cell, a biological cell, divides, many times it can be observed that there is a single photon of light near the ultraviolet spectra that is It's transmitted in this operation.
	Now, why would Mother Nature go through all that trouble to produce light?
	I mean, Mother Nature is very conservative when it comes to resources.
	So that light is doing something.
	You're absolutely correct.
	I mean, IBM, as most people out there know, or maybe some, have done experiments in which they have actually teletransported light.
	Well, that harks back to what I was just saying.
	In fact, this is in support.
	Our wireless quantum teleportation switching devices are in support of IBM's quantum computers because the quantum computers that they're developing have to be hooked up optically and now they can only transmit or achieve the effects between two computers at distances that don't go much beyond 50 feet.
	What we're saying is we can provide them a medium and the switch that will enable them to hook up Any number of quantum computers at any distance, parsecs away, galactic distances, it doesn't matter, and instantaneously achieve this distributive communication.
	That's what we're saying.
	How did you get to work on interesting projects?
	I mean, this is really interesting.
	Well, our end game is teleportation, as I've mentioned.
	These are the steps that we think we have to take to get there.
	That's intertwined with Starman, isn't it?
	Project Starman.
	In a way, yes.
	Starman, there's an array of devices that are in a certain place, and we tailor the devices in the laboratory, and yes, it is intertwined with Starman.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	But the word for 1999 is all bets are off, right?
	Look for a way out and hunker down if you can't find it.
	Alright.
	All bets are off.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	Now, this is music that ought to take you inside your own mind.
	I don't know, maybe that's a scary place to be.
	Good morning, I'm Art Bell, Ed Dames, Mage Scitex, Major Ed Dames.
	We should have remote-viewed his own phone numbers, got him wrong.
	I'll get him out in a moment, get the tapes.
	but it's actually got one right one wrong uh... boy we're gonna get phone calls to the soviet
	questions for a bit i know you do
	uh...
	will get that shortly way.
	All bets off in 99.
	I believe that.
	In fact, actually, it's already being demonstrated, isn't it?
	All bets are off.
	It's going to be a really interesting year, and yes, I will be here New Year's Eve.
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	You know, there is terrorism out there.
	So, in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
	I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, That would create this terror to continue to control us.
	I think you're absolutely correct.
	But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
	And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
	Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
	Americans are in fact now trading liberty for security.
	Every day this is going to happen now in our future that we're going to allow this.
	It's just a matter of time.
	Now we take you back to the night of May 4th, 1999, on Ark Bells Somewhere in Time.
	Alright, I've got a fax here, which is signed, no name.
	Bye.
	Bravely no name, but it is a hell of a question.
	It says, Art, I would have taken Ed's course long ago were it not for the disclaimer that it wasn't for emotional people.
	I could have been the first female to go postal, but I don't come across most others, in other words, those who don't know me, those who do are quite few, frankly, as a killer.
	I was Prepared, God or circumstances intervened and the problem was resolved in a way I never expected.
	I think of Harrison Klebold as kindred souls for whom no miracle came through.
	Is Ed sure he wants to offer this so freely?
	That's a hell of a question.
	Well it's a non sequitur in that, so it's not all a question.
	It's a statement and questions and non sequitur.
	Well, I have.
	I already made the decision.
	Are you really... Are you confident that... You know, I'm always asking you these questions.
	I recognize remote viewing as an incredibly powerful tool.
	I'm uncertain about its advocacy.
	I'm as unsure about these grand experiments that I've run.
	As I am about remote viewing, it's advocacy.
	In other words, I believe it, I believe it's real, but I haven't figured out quite yet whether it's a good thing or not.
	Well, we're human.
	You look at yourself at the end of the day or in the morning when you get up in the mirror and if the answer to the question is, have I done my best?
	If that answer is yes, that's all that we can do.
	Period.
	You're right, that's all you can do as a man.
	That's all I guess we could even ask you to do.
	But even you must have had very reflective moments about the advocacy of turning this loose.
	Absolutely.
	In fact, remember now, SciTech is 10 years old.
	In the first half of our existence, we only worked for the military industrial community And a very tight-knit group of customers, one of the largest engineering companies in the world, for instance, those kinds of things, were only scientific endeavors.
	It took a lot of coaxing by predominantly my vice president, Joni Durff, to convince me to turn this over to the public at large as a personal developmental tool, and then really when I look back Thinking of my own personal history and involvement with remote viewing, I would have given anything to learn this.
	And I thought, well, why should I deny it to anyone else?
	And it's a good business.
	Well, I know for a fact that before these tapes came out, remote viewing courses were in the thousands of dollars.
	You can tell me, right?
	I took remote viewing public way back in 1991.
	How much was the course?
	Oh, we weren't even teaching then.
	The contracts were high.
	When we first started teaching, the courses were $4,500 for like nine days of instruction.
	And that wasn't just you.
	That was most remote viewers out there.
	Well, there weren't any others until they saw that this was a viable industry, and then they jumped You know, everybody wants to ride the glory train, and then they jump on.
	In fact, now we have charlatans who have jumped on there.
	People who have bought our technical viewing tapes and now offer themselves up as instructors.
	One of the downsides, huh?
	Well, camp followers are always out there, but in essence, they're 15 years behind the technology, so they're found out pretty quickly.
	The public's savvy.
	Fairly savvy.
	Right.
	Yeah, that really is true.
	But there were, even years ago, Ed, I could name a few and I won't, because we don't do that here, because it gets into a catfight and I don't care about doing that kind of stuff here, but there were other competitors for you for quite a period of time, and they too were charging thousands of dollars for the courses.
	Now, here you came along with the videotapes.
	I doubt that they were...
	How much more can you tell us about the rest of this year?
	One cannot forget that I was the training officer for the military size 5 unit.
	The bona fides count.
	How much more can you tell us about the rest of this year?
	All bets are off, that's one thing.
	We've already seen the tornadoes that you talked about.
	Mother of all tornadoes that would be coming.
	You've seen the beginning of it.
	Can you outline the rest of the year?
	No.
	It's happening too fast for even us.
	We can't keep up with it.
	Although, I think I should reiterate one more time.
	That the so-called Y2K events, those ensembles of things that have been outlined, will primarily be eclipsed by larger things.
	The Y2K idea will be on non-performers.
	Can you tell whether the eclipse will be as Y2K occurs or actually prior to it occurring?
	It needs to be just prior to it, Art.
	And you know what?
	I really don't even want to look at what it is and what those things may be because I think it's just too much.
	It's too doomish and too gloomish, even for me.
	Even for you?
	Even for me.
	I know that you have made some forecasts with respect to the Sun, which has been doing some pretty big flip-flops lately.
	Right now, it's on the rise again.
	The solar flux is rising rapidly.
	We're having flare after flare once again, and we're starting up again.
	So, the Sun, you know, you could say it's acting as it normally does every cycle, or it's misbehaving.
	I don't know how to put it.
	But you have suggested there will be a massive flare.
	A massive ejecta or flare.
	Sometime in the next two and a half to three years.
	But all in all, the bottom line is, you and I are now in agreement that things are happening fast and furious.
	You call it the quickening.
	I call it a confluence of events.
	We're now on the same sheet of music.
	I want to move on.
	I want to start thinking in terms of rebuilding right now.
	You know, while we're still coherent and have the freedom to do that before the stuff hits the fan.
	From what point are we going to have to rebuild?
	Another way of asking, how bad is it going to be?
	I think it's going to be of biblical proportions, Art.
	Biblical.
	That's not just my opinion.
	That's a result of many years of remote viewing as a professional.
	Biblical?
	So if people ask me, you know, what can we do instead of just wringing our hands in public, I'd say learn how to pray.
	Prayer is an extremely powerful tool.
	Yes.
	More powerful than anything I know as a human being.
	It sure is.
	And that's all I can say.
	I mean, that's the way out.
	That's the refuge.
	I don't know if this is apropos for a show like yours.
	Yes, it is.
	That's what I believe in.
	Yes, no, it is.
	I have come to understand the power of mass prayer, mass thought, mass concentration, whatever you want to call it.
	I understand the power of it.
	I do not understand, again, scary me, I don't understand the advocacy of using it, and I think that there could be a mistake made in its use.
	Or, is that wrong, Ed?
	Could there not be a mistake?
	Could it not be used negatively, be another way of asking?
	I don't think that it could be used negatively.
	In those terms, you would be dealing with something that wouldn't be a connection with good.
	It would be a connection with something else.
	I don't think that you have to worry about using it negatively, especially if the intent, you know, ego is not withstanding.
	Even if your intent were a little bit ego-centered, I think you still couldn't screw it up, because there's an outside agency that will make sure that it doesn't get screwed up.
	And by that, I mean the engineers.
	Angels.
	Flat out.
	Angels.
	We're talking about angels.
	Where the rubber meets the road, the executors of prayer are angels.
	Now, the communications route may not go to them directly.
	In fact, it may not at all.
	But the end result is that's where those are the action agents that carry out, that dictate upon which prayer is based.
	Did you ever see a movie called The Devil's Advocate, Ed?
	I saw the trailers, but I didn't see the movie.
	Oh, you really got to see the movie.
	Not that I want to ruin the end of it for you, but this guy thought he had it made in his encounter with the devil.
	However, At the very end, something was said, and the devil had the final word.
	The devil's final words were, ah, ego, my favorite sin.
	Yeah, it sounds like a good movie.
	Yeah, it's a really good movie.
	You don't want to miss it.
	But ego, his favorite sin.
	Think that's right?
	Well, in classical psychology, Ego is an important thing.
	It is that barrier or wall that allows us to be an individual.
	But that's a funny thing in terms of the kinds of things that we discover in the laboratory where, okay, all of a sudden we're dealing with a single mind.
	That is, no such thing as an individual mind.
	Well, suppose you let your ego down entirely and you are part of this universal mind.
	What are you then?
	Is there a you anymore, and does it matter?
	These are questions that are interesting.
	Bottom of the hour, we'll begin to take questions for Ed at Dames.
	First though, one more time I want to cover this because when I was young, and I think when you were young, Ed, we're not that far apart.
	Kids got in trouble in school.
	They got expelled.
	They got whacked on the bottom.
	I could only give you my opinion.
	The action that I've taken in this operation, Guiding Light, is the best shot.
	It may be old age and memory failing me, I don't remember these kinds of massacres when
	I was young.
	I don't remember that.
	Now we've got them, then we didn't.
	I could only give you my opinion.
	The action that I've taken in this operation, guiding light, is the best shot.
	It's action, so I don't have to sit back and be another opinion.
	The best that I could come up with is, if you want my personal opinion, is if our families
	fail and we have an outside institution, a church or somebody else's family or a school
	that could still offer us some type of nurturing, we might come out of it okay.
	But when both systems fail, our social institutions and our families, That's the disintegration of society.
	That's when we begin to lose them.
	Yeah, everything, yeah.
	I remember when... And I know you want to be optimistic.
	When college fraternities, the guys would bring their shotguns to the fraternity and put them up there above the mantelpiece, and if they had time on the weekends, they'd go out bird hunting.
	There was no conceivable idea of pointing that at a human being.
	Yeah, that's what I was trying to point out.
	That's exactly right.
	Now the question is, What changed?
	And I guess your answer is an opinion rather than a technically remote viewed thing.
	But it seems to me this really might be worth remote viewing.
	I'm not sure how you do it.
	It can be done quite easily, especially professionally.
	But what I wanted to do, rather than to look at a cause and then offer an opinion, what I wanted to do first this time was take some action.
	And this is what this operation, by initiating this Operation Guiding Light, It's something I feel like I can do.
	I called up the high schools.
	I talked with them and that kind of thing.
	Now I can go back and study it.
	But there are so many people studying things and far little action taken.
	So I wanted to act first this time and then study.
	So I think you're right.
	It would be interesting to study that phenomenon and I could set it up in a logical way.
	Why don't you put it on your list?
	Okay.
	All right, good.
	Hold it right there.
	When we come back, we will open the phone lines if you have questions.
	I'm Art Bell, and I'm back.
	You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	It was beautiful, magical, and on the fuzz in the trees, Maggie singing so happily, oh joyfully, oh.
	Oh, playfully.
	Watching me.
	But then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible.
	Logical.
	Oh, responsible.
	Practical.
	And then they showed me a world where I could be so dependable.
	Oh, clinical.
	Oh, intellectual.
	Oh, it's election-world cynical.
	There are times when all the voters feel the questions run too deep.
	With such a simple mind...
	They're becoming better.
	Well I don't think the Chinese would be good at it anyway because the Chinese don't tend to develop the kind of egos we do, right Ed?
	That, number one, and number two, it's just more acceptable.
	It was more acceptable in their paradigm and their zeitgeist than it was here, where we viciously fought it in the Pentagon and other places.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hello.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	This is Greg in Elkhorn, California.
	Hi, Greg.
	Hi, Art.
	I'll ask my question, Art, and I'll jump off and listen.
	Okay.
	Ed, you mentioned that the earth changes would be of Biblical proportions.
	Would these Biblical changes include a large decrease in our earth's population, and is this something that could possibly occur within the next 12 months?
	Thank you, gentlemen.
	All right, of Biblical proportions.
	Yes, a large decrease in the population of mankind, and it's happening now.
	We're on the front end of this now.
	Well, yes and no.
	I mean, there are six billion of us, roughly, on the planet now.
	Isn't that true?
	About that, I think it's... It's a bunch.
	I mean, more than ever.
	More than ever.
	So, there has not yet begun to be a decrease.
	Surely, we see a gazillion problems that were on the other... That's not correct.
	That's not correct.
	It's not?
	There's a population...
	There's a trajectory that's becoming negative in at least two-thirds of the continent of Africa now because of HIV alone.
	That's true.
	And you're going to see starvation right around the corner in a great number of countries in the next few months.
	So we're right there, right on the cutting edge now.
	At its worst, Ed, how many?
	Five percent?
	I don't know, but I don't know.
	My guess is Twenty to forty percent of human beings.
	Gone.
	It decreased in population.
	Culled, so to speak.
	Culled.
	Yeah, that's the word, culled.
	Now, those are culled terms.
	We're talking about real people, you know, people.
	But I don't know how else to state it.
	Culled.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Major Danes.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm calling from Chicago.
	Okay, yell at us a little bit.
	You're not too loud.
	Okay, can you hear me now?
	Oh, that's better.
	Get right up on that phone.
	Okay, talking more about the biblical proportions, you mentioned Jesus Christ earlier in the show.
	That's right.
	Are you a Christian, Ed?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, do you believe that there will be the second coming of Christ?
	I don't know.
	That is what Christ has already promised, so if you're a Christian, wouldn't you believe that?
	Can't Christians believe different things?
	I do.
	I believe different things.
	The definition of not knowing that everything about Christianity is true eliminates me from that, then I guess I'm not a Christian.
	You say that you're not a Christian?
	Yeah, I'm kind of with him on that.
	In other words, if you would ask me a general question, Caller, are you a Christian?
	I would say yes.
	If you were to pin me down and make me say, I believe specific things are going to occur, Then I would fall out of your category real quickly, just like Edward.
	So you think the Bible might be faulted by the men who wrote it?
	Yeah, I think the Bible could be wrong in places.
	I believe that.
	Well, men are fallible.
	What makes you a Christian, and what about the Bible?
	I believe in Jesus Christ, and He is my role model.
	His mind is my role model.
	But that's not good enough for you, is it, Collar?
	No, I didn't... I'm not... Yes, you are, sort of.
	Yes, you are.
	I mean, you said it in a way.
	When you said, if you don't believe he's coming back, then how can you call yourself a Christian?
	Didn't you say that?
	Well, I asked that based on if you're going to say you're a Christian, what are you basing that on?
	He answered that.
	Right, but I'm saying if you're going to say that you're a Christian to start with... What I guess we'd have to say is we're not your kind of Christian.
	First off, I don't know why you're getting defensive.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm actually, this is a good intellectual discussion.
	Okay, as long as you're open to the badness.
	Absolutely.
	I'm just curious then, if you say you're a Christian automatically, what brought you to that point in your life?
	What made you a Christian?
	Okay, that's a fair question.
	Ed, do you want to try that one?
	Revelation and belief.
	I can accept that answer.
	But I really have a feeling that what he meant was, you're not my kind of Christian, and if you're not my kind of Christian, you're not really a Christian.
	But I guess I have a much looser interpretation of Christianity, and so do you.
	We just don't fit neatly into that little box that some Christians want you to fit into.
	Well, you have to accept the whole package or nothing.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I don't accept the whole package necessarily, but most of it I do.
	Yeah, some of it could be fallible.
	I mean, and of course a lot of people, anyway, we'll get into a rat race if we keep this up.
	Bless for the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, thank you for taking my call.
	Sure.
	Personally, let me start by saying I'll be astounded if I'm allowed to say my piece, because I have some explosive things... I've heard this guy before.
	Have you?
	I have some explosive things I'd like to say, but that's what I request and I'll go quickly.
	And I'll end with a line by the late Frank Zappa, even.
	Are any of these questions that can be answered?
	Well, these are actually just comments.
	One thing that bothers me about the Columbine and other related high school massacres is the zombie-like characteristics of the killers, the comments about the eyes being dead.
	I think that's somewhat reminiscent of the assassins who gunned down Congressman Leo Ryan at the airstrip in Jonestown, Guyana.
	One of the main objectives of the MKUltra program Was the creation and manipulation of hypno-programmed assassins?
	Perhaps these kids are Manchurian high schoolers?
	Who was Harris' psychiatrist?
	Dick Helms, the head of the CIA under Nixon, is quoted as saying that he wished he had a cell of children that he could raise from infancy to adulthood, mold them.
	That's rather chilling.
	And I'll go one step further before I conclude.
	I think maybe there's a possibility these Columbines and these Oklahoma City firework shows are really little American Reichstag fires, creating chaos to basically terrorize the American populace in the welcoming of fascist police state.
	The apparatus is already in place.
	There's so much disinformation on radio, television, print, internet.
	We have virtual reality.
	We have holograms, electromagnetic weaponry, HAARP.
	I'll tell you one thing.
	If the scientific military complex can manipulate They're certainly doing so, and they're not telling us.
	Well, I don't disagree with anything so far.
	Listen, but we do have to wrap it up.
	No, no, no.
	We've got to wrap it up.
	Give me the Zappa thing.
	All right.
	Well, the technology, I think, is at such a level right now, you could fake the second coming of Christ reasonably, and half of Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas would fall to their knees praying to a giant hologram.
	Maybe Oral Roberts was right.
	Maybe there was a 900-foot-tall Jesus.
	Now, this is all basically conjecture on my part.
	All right, it's Zapaton.
	Zapaton.
	Zapaton.
	I'm saying that I'm basically using my imagination to connect seemingly random events, which, randomly organized, still add up to the same basic scenario.
	I buy Bill of Rights, or in the words of the last chance for Zapaton... You can write Austin Texas, whoever you are.
	Actually, a lot of what he said was pretty good.
	Let me mention something that this caller, who I've heard before, In the middle of the Cold War, Russian psychologists had a project that lasted almost 13 years before it was abandoned.
	It was called the Man Project.
	Russian psychologists had a project that lasted almost 13 years before it was abandoned.
	It was called the Man Project.
	Dialectic materialism had a whole different view of the world than we do in the West.
	Our Christian work ethic is a different worldview than the dialectic materialism posed.
	This man project attempted to actually create a citizen that would be 100% loyal to the establishment of being Russian.
	This was a real project.
	I believe it!
	Oh, I believe it!
	They went to Russian women who had Given birth, who had children that were about four and a half, five years old, and these mothers signed their children over to the state program, never to see them again.
	Right.
	I think I know of that.
	These children were raised completely under state control.
	Well, to make a long story short, the unexpected happened.
	One of these children, at the age of 13, cheated.
	Actually, it might have been 16.
	I can't remember.
	It's been so many years.
	Cheated on a test.
	This was not supposed to happen at all because of all the programming that went into this trial.
	The trial was never supposed to cheat on a test.
	They were supposed to become automatons of the state.
	And so the project was disbanded completely.
	And do you know what the conclusion was?
	It was this.
	What?
	That the children were taken too late away from their mothers because they had already formed a sense of self and identity.
	They should have been removed from the parents at the age of three and not four and a half and five.
	So they didn't try that?
	They didn't try it again.
	It was abandoned.
	Would it be your view that if that was done, that could be done?
	I don't know, honestly.
	Another one of those things you really don't want to know if you... No.
	You may not simply want to know.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Yes, Ed, this is Gina.
	I wanted to ask you a question.
	Do you believe that all in all is the Creator?
	All in all?
	I can't answer the question.
	Because I don't know how to relate to what you're saying, all in all.
	Well, there's an ancient Egyptian belief, they call it Nebem Nebu, and this refers to the all in all, and that the all in all has two qualities to it, well it is being, but the being is both mind and energy, and that the mind is the masculine principle, the energy is in the null state, it's the feminine principle, and the mind penetrates the energy field, To create vortices and create everything in the universe.
	That's getting pretty complicated.
	Actually, it doesn't sound that complicated in terms of what we're realizing laboratory-wise.
	Okay, Ed, if you spin the vortex clockwise, this would give you your South Pole.
	The other vortex spins counterclockwise to give you your North Pole.
	This is where you get your polarity.
	These two vortices will entrain to form cones.
	Like helixes?
	Standing waves, yes.
	And these, in turn, will form your string theory.
	Everything in the universe is made from these.
	All in all.
	Okay, now even I get it.
	So, is he generally on the right track?
	These concepts have been known throughout the ages, but they've just been, depending upon the culture and societies, they've been given different names.
	That's all.
	And these days and times, Not only do we need a technological description of them because we're a very specialized society, but we've reached the point where we're actually building devices to utilize them.
	That's not to say that devices didn't exist in the past that used entirely different technology based upon an entirely different mindset slash science.
	That's not to say that wasn't the case.
	It's just that we've redefined What visionaries in the past, who we would have called scientists and natural scientists ages ago, have seen.
	So it's sort of a cyclic thing.
	Can you actually, the one place that even the theoretical physicists get stuck in, is what was one second prior to the Big Bang.
	Is that remotely viewable?
	I don't know, and even if it were, of what utility would it be, Except to a philosopher.
	Oh, I'd love to have that question answered.
	Yeah, but could it even be interpretable?
	That's the problem that we reach.
	It's very much like trying to follow the soul in terms of continuity of consciousness or identity, because we don't have the thesaurus, the lexicon, the memories to be able to relate to where that is.
	What it is doing, and those kinds of things.
	Yeah, that's a really good point.
	In other words, there's no way at all to relate to it, because it's a concept beyond our grasp.
	Only in the most general sort of way, because it's in an entirely different reality.
	Our reality is that you wake up in the morning, you recreate your reality right away.
	You hear a song on the radio, you need a few data bits in order to remember what that song
	was.
	Otherwise it's just noise.
	We always read moment to moment, recreating our reality.
	If you pull somebody out of that reality, you slip that rug out from underneath them,
	you stick them somewhere else, there's no commonality at all.
	They have to start from scratch.
	It's kind of like I was in rock and roll radio for about 25 years.
	I can nail an oldie in about two beats.
	25 years?
	Yeah, I understand.
	Takes me about four.
	Very, very quickly now.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	My name is Christian.
	I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
	How synchronistic?
	Well, actually, I'm not I'm not very old.
	I'm 19.
	Well, that's allowable.
	Do I need an ID?
	Actually, I have had a lot of upbringing from a lot of debates.
	My name has caused that, as far as if I am a true Christian or not.
	So I decided to study.
	I looked around in every different religion I possibly could.
	And?
	And I found out that, you know, I really don't need to suck from one, like, Southern Baptist.
	I don't need to be a total Southern Baptist in order to be a Christian.
	I don't need to be a total Methodist to be a Christian.
	So you're a heretic, too.
	I'm just eclectic.
	Eclectic, I see.
	I go into Indian sweat.
	You know, I participate in all different things.
	And, you know, you can't really... Some would call you a heathen.
	Yeah, I guess they would.
	But, you know, I guess it's better to have the knowledge of all different religions than to just knock them all before you knew.
	Well, I'm with you.
	But they'll still call you a heathen.
	Listen, we're almost out of time.
	Do you have a question?
	No, I just wanted to say that in replying to the earlier person that called.
	All right, well actually it was a very good follow-up call.
	All right, we're at the top of the hour once again.
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	Mmm-mmm-mmm I thought that I was in heaven
	But I was sure surprised Heaven helped me, I didn't see
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	The third secret of Fatima, remember we talked about that?
	Yes, we did.
	Somebody would like a sort of a rehash.
	You did remote view The Third Secret of Fatima.
	It was actually, let's see, the third part of The Secret of Fatima, I think if I'm not mistaken, and it dealt with, we spent a lot of time with this, and it essentially was the what in modern Christian terms has been described as the
	opening of the sixth seal of revelation.
	That is characterized by increased and then massive volcanic activity worldwide.
	Let's see if I can remember what else it was characterized by. I remember the volcanism
	And I don't...
	And I think this was...
	Didn't we do this in July?
	Yeah, I think it was July.
	And I can't remember what the rest of the results were, but the bottom line was that we felt, in our analysis, that it was tantamount to the opening of the sixth seal, what is described as the opening of the sixth seal.
	I almost recall you saying the sixth seal has been opened.
	It has.
	This is really a hard question.
	Art, Ed, did it ever occur to the two of you that the more we talk about this inevitable event on the horizon, the more we are making it happen?
	I hear this quite often in my business.
	So do I. Quite often.
	My job is to be a watchman, that's all.
	I think that we give ourselves more power than we really have.
	Than is justified.
	I hope you're right about that.
	I really do, because I would hate at the end of the day to say we brought it on ourselves.
	We mentally latched on to one possible future.
	But we haven't defined it, though.
	It's so complex.
	That one, we'd have to be able to dictate it.
	What are we talking about here?
	We're talking about a lot of disparate but powerful events.
	Yes.
	And we have, we really have to be more coherent in our idea to give it, to be able to power it up if the caller were to any degree correct.
	And we haven't been coherent.
	We don't even have the times down.
	Alright.
	And also, if that's true, Then we should take great exception with something like Biblical Revelation, because if that's the case, we should have thrown the Bible away a long time ago.
	Very good, very good point.
	Actually, that's my Vice President's point.
	She often points that out.
	Are we buying into this paradigm?
	Tell Joni right on.
	In other words, if then we are creating this future by dwelling on what we believe to be coming, then we shouldn't be reading the Bible, because it really describes exactly what's going to occur, and that's dwelling.
	She's right.
	She's absolutely right.
	Very good point.
	She is in our company's chat room now and she'll be in there for probably the rest of the night.
	And they get to that by going where?
	How?
	They can go right to our website.
	We're on the World Wide Web at www.scitech.net.
	And we've got a link up and of course there's a chat room there.
	What do they have to do to get in the chat room?
	Just go?
	Just go.
	Cool.
	Alright, first time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Yeah, good evening gentlemen.
	Excuse me, I got a bit of a cold.
	It's alright.
	If you hadn't told us, you know, we'd have thought it your normal voice.
	Well, thank you.
	I should mention, Art, that I was surfing the web tonight and I was in Major's chat room or website.
	Yes.
	And I was in yours and I got the phone number for this number here.
	You got this phone number for this number?
	It wasn't the right one.
	I ended up getting up somebody that wasn't too happy.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Phone number for what?
	For this line I'm on right now.
	You mean for calling me?
	Yeah.
	And you got the wrong number?
	Yeah, I got someone up.
	I guess the area code changes.
	Now it's 775.
	Yeah, the area code has changed.
	That's right.
	If you listen to Ross Mitchell, when he gives out the numbers, he says 775.
	It requires you to listen.
	Exactly, that's how I got the right one.
	Well, that gentleman wasn't too happy, and he heard of your name before.
	He probably doesn't like me at all now.
	I like that saying that the Major has about all bets are off in 1999.
	Well, they're already off.
	They're already off.
	Something interesting.
	I don't know if you've noticed what's happened in Nostradamus' Quantrain 72 that you were talking about earlier, in the year 1999, the seventh month.
	um... that one train the seventh month is actually written set like september
	sdp which is french for seven maria
	which means that it could be either september or the seventh month
	i think that ever was a seven point before julius and i got that
	who uh... made july after Caesar August i've heard this before and do you
	think he meant seventh month as in july or sept as in september
	I don't know, and that would be a very difficult thing, I've heard this argument before too, but that would be a very difficult thing for us as technically remote viewers to ascertain because we can't deal with calendrical time.
	So whatever month he meant, The data that we have downloaded as a result associated with that, that's clear to us.
	Either way, sir, I guess the thing to do would be to keep your head down between the lions and timbers.
	One of the interesting things, I think the point in time right now that really woke me up is the last line of that one coin train that starts with the year 99 to 7.
	Right at the end it says, before and after.
	This event, September or July of 99, before and after Mars to reign happily.
	Well, Mars is the great god of war, and just to read simply into that would be that there would be war just before this event, and a war surely after it.
	Well, we sure are working hard on it right now, aren't we?
	Well, Nostradamus has got part of this right so far, and I guess we just have to wait a couple months to find out if, in fact, he put this date and time and all these different visions that he did have He gave this one a date and a time, because I think now... Now, if he'd said strike or conflict, I'd have really been worried.
	Well, really, really, he didn't know.
	But he said this event is so great, and he has other quatrains that deal with it, that refer to it, that perhaps he gave it a date and time because it's something that our consciousness Something we can't change because it's maybe coming in from outside, like Deep Impact, the movie.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	Actually, I think that this was one of... Nostradamus rarely put very specific dates to things.
	And whether you talk about July or September, if it's one or the other or something in between, that's very specific.
	And that was very rare for him, wasn't it, Ed?
	Yes, very rare indeed.
	But don't discount one thing, which is very far-fetched in most people's minds, and that's this.
	Remember that this idea of mind, mind is outside of time.
	And so, in a very real sense, in my technology, Nostradamus is right here, right now, discussing this point in a way that there is a connection between the minds.
	So this could have been a collusion at some level between the unconscious, the individual unconsciousness of, let's say, remote viewers and Nostradamus.
	At a level that we are not consciously aware of, but the effects are that SciTech ends up remote viewing this when in fact there was some type of a dialogue at a deeper level.
	So then, in a sense, Nostradamus still lives?
	As we do back then, yes.
	That's really something to try and wrap your mind around.
	It's a difficult thing.
	The universe is not as simple as we would like, thank goodness.
	Well, that's true.
	That'd be boring.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
	Hi.
	Hi, good morning.
	This is Dan in Virginia.
	Hi, Dan.
	Welcome back, Art.
	Thank you.
	Ed, have you heard of a project No, I haven't.
	Nor have I. I did.
	Now I know this.
	It's a complete farce.
	Is it?
	northern New Mexico back in 1972. No I haven't. Nor have I.
	Well it is fascinating. They have a website.
	There's also an article in the Nexus magazine about it. It's about some time travelers that
	left some artifacts. I did. Now I know this. It's a complete farce. Is it? It's a complete farce. Yes.
	Oh is this that wing makers thing?
	No, it's another one like it, though.
	This was pointed out to me.
	I checked it out.
	It's a complete farce.
	Okay.
	Well... Sorry.
	Well, time travel.
	Is time... That would be something I would love to have you work on.
	Is time travel possible?
	Is physical time travel possible?
	Is it going to be possible?
	Is it something that can even be... Or is it like trying to view prior to the Big Bang, have we no reference, not enough reference to even go after that one?
	We're not exactly certain yet.
	It appears that it is the case.
	But there is one thing that I do know.
	That angels can do this.
	And I'll tell you why I know that.
	Because I am aware of instances where people With let's say advanced stages of cancers or a congenital defect have been miraculously renovated.
	And when we remote view what happened, it is an angel moving back in time to correct the situation in the past.
	So that we know that they can do.
	It appears that there are technologies that are popping back in time.
	I think that even art parts may be connected with this.
	I've said this in the past.
	It looks like we are generations of devices, first prototypes and then more advanced stages, that are popping back from the future.
	So, yes, I think it is possible.
	In fact, I think it's being done.
	You know, art's parts, so-called, are more of an enigma now than ever.
	The information coming about them is stranger and stranger.
	The people that I've given pieces to that have had them tested, Ed, come back with more questions than answers.
	They're completely indecipherable.
	Well, it's something that wasn't made here, but here means here and now.
	It's something that may have been made here, But not in the now.
	In other words, you may be dealing with an artifact of something that popped back from, let's say, several decades from now.
	Well, I'll tell you, I've led an interesting life, Ed.
	It may get more interesting.
	Yeah, it may.
	East of the Rockies, I think we've got enough time.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Dainslow.
	Hello?
	Is this me?
	It sounds like you, but I can't be sure.
	I just want to emphasize the relationship between what Ed's talking about and the Eastern mystics, the Buddhas, more or less.
	What he's saying I pretty much can follow completely based on what they have laid out.
	Particularly, I think you're making Bad assumption thinking that they are in the past and related to their culture because when somebody becomes a full enlightened being they have no relation to the culture anymore.
	They are in that state of oneness and any of the masters can jump back and forth just like you're talking about.
	There's a guy, I'm just going to mention this and leave, but Yvette wanted to check it out, Osho Rajneesh.
	Oh yes.
	Have you ever heard of him before?
	I'm sure we have.
	Yeah, he has pretty much done the same thing.
	He's opened all the gates of all the mystical knowledge and just kind of thrown it open to kind of combat.
	Alright, well that's actually a good place to go.
	Ed, we briefly touched on this earlier.
	Well, we've got a break coming up.
	But can you discern for us the difference between what The Yogis do and what it is that you do.
	Yes.
	Alright, well then hold it there and we'll do that right after the break.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And I'm back.
	You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere In Time.
	tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast am from may 4th 1999
	watching is the moment that you turn around and pray.
	so so
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere In Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 4th, 1999.
	Welcome to the program, those of you who join at this hour.
	Anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
	Who knows?
	But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
	Now we take you back to the night of May 4th, 1999 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Alright, back now to Major Ed Dames, and let's see.
	Yogi's, what they do, what they can do, and what you do, and what the difference is, Ed?
	Yogis do a number of things in their way to enlightenment and advancement.
	Some of these are advanced stages of human potential.
	They're called cities in yoga and in the East.
	What we do in technical remote training, what we train people to do is to become specialists in one specific area of human potential, and that is information collection.
	Now, the yogis can do this too, in many regards, with one big exception.
	In the West, we are a very specialized society.
	I'll give you an example.
	Early Ming Dynasty poetry in China could be read at several different levels, because it indeed could be written at several different levels, and that is because The Chinese characters in those days had a number of different meanings depending upon their context.
	The language was actually, at least poetry in Chinese called shi, was very much richer in those days.
	After the Industrial Revolution worldwide, all the things in our lives, the names of things became specialized.
	There was no longer a general term.
	A connecting rod on a car is just one piece of thousands of pieces in a car and a word for that had to be generated.
	Now there are thousands and thousands of words in the Chinese language instead of just a few thousand.
	But they aren't as rich as they were before.
	We have become very technologically specialized and so what technical remote viewing does It facilitates the downloading of that specialized knowledge from the matrix, the collective consciousness, if you will.
	It allows us to detail that out so we can put it to useful use in our day-to-day, work-a-day world.
	The yogis can't do this because they don't have those names.
	They can perceive what we can perceive, but they can't detail the details that we can.
	If you know what I mean.
	I absolutely do.
	They might, for example, view or know the same thing that you know, but not have a context in which to put it.
	Correct.
	They cannot explain it in terms of Western, modern, I use that term loosely, men.
	But I think that the specialization of ours has really removed us further and further away from this source, this monad, I want to say first of all that I love you very much.
	Technical remote viewing seems to be bringing us back around the other end and I think we'll
	meet the yogis coming and going.
	I bet you will too.
	All right, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Yes, hello.
	Hi there.
	Yes, hi, how are you doing?
	Quite well, thank you.
	That's good.
	I want to say first of all that I love you very much.
	I also love Ed Dames and I especially, well I kind of love you and Dan and Brinkley is
	I thought you were sounding a little like Dan for a second.
	I'm trying to make it as fast as possible because I know you guys don't have much time.
	None of us do, dear.
	None of us do.
	So your question is?
	Okay.
	My question is, first of all, let me just say this first.
	I think you are the evangelist.
	I'm going to take it back.
	I'm going to say it again.
	You know why I'm going to say that?
	Because you're bringing the truth to the world.
	How do you know?
	Let me tell you how I know.
	I'm sorry I asked the question.
	Don't look at me that way.
	The reason why I'm looking at you that way is because you're bringing the truth.
	You're not lying to a bunch of people.
	You know what I think about the modern day Christians?
	This is what I think about them.
	If you look in the Bible, and Jesus said this out of his own mouth, He says, when we get in the spirit, he's going to look at them and say, excuse me, I don't even know you.
	Get away from me.
	And he's talking to those same people that are speaking in tongues, getting up there, skimming off the top of God's money.
	And you call yourself a Christian?
	I don't think so.
	Not you.
	I'm just speaking, you know.
	Because people love the truth.
	God loves the truth.
	But anyway, my question was to Mr. Danes.
	Hello?
	Yes, I'm here.
	My question was to Mr. Danes.
	Mr. Danes, I don't know if this will be, like, sacrilegious or whatever, but do you think that it's possible you could, like, remote view the resurrection?
	Oh, alright.
	Ed?
	We could easily use that as a search term.
	What it would end up resulting in, I have no idea, and I have never used it as a search term before.
	I've got one thing on my list already for Art's next show, and that's the Columbine event, which is a horrible event.
	And I have a feeling that I'm going to have a number two here in a moment.
	Boy, the resurrection, that is a whale of a target.
	That's a whale of a target.
	We have to really define that tightly, really tightly, as tightly as we could.
	In the end, it's still a topical search.
	It's not like there have been a lot of people who actually have come back to life, minus the NDEs and all the rest of it.
	The resurrection.
	Well, we would want to put it in terms of Christian literature, rather than an event that may have happened.
	For instance, if we go into the Matrix as technical remote viewers, and we use, let's say, the term alchemy, We have to be very specific because there are alchemical reactions, transmutations that occur now in cyclotrons today.
	That's alchemy, right?
	It's the transmutation of matter.
	To me it certainly is.
	It's too late at the end of a 45 minute session to say, oh gee, what I really meant was what Merlin the magician was doing back in the middle of the ages.
	It's too late then because we screwed up the search and we have to do it all over again.
	You get the picture?
	Oh yeah.
	So, if you want us to look at this idea of the resurrection, it would be in terms of, I assume, Jesus Christ.
	That's, I'm sure, what she was discussing.
	Yeah.
	Now, suppose I came back and said to you, and gave you an answer that you did not want to hear, and that would be a bad scene.
	For instance, like, well, it doesn't happen, or whatever.
	Suppose you came back and said to me, to bring this show full circle, well, You might think of a resurrection as... Remember at the beginning of the program, Ed, when you were talking about downloading Art Bell's mind or anybody's mind and putting it into some consciousness?
	That could be one definition of a resurrection, couldn't it?
	In this case, it is a topical search.
	We would go into it not armed with any preconceived notions about what the heck that means, except in terms of the collective consciousness.
	What does it mean in there?
	In terms of a pattern of information, how does this translate into terms that we can understand today, if we can even understand it?
	If we can, I can get back to you and say, This is the ensemble of data that we pulled out as a result of hitting that address register in the grand computer in the sky.
	Okay?
	And do you want me to do that?
	I would love for you to do that.
	Then we'll do it.
	Alright.
	Next show.
	Now there's something I want to say to that lady and everybody else too.
	Listen to me carefully.
	Whether it's Ed Dames or Art Bell or anybody else.
	Don't think of us as some sort of greater being, some sort of saint, some sort of all truth teller.
	That's a crock and you're going to get into big trouble.
	I'm just a talk show host.
	Ed TRV's were just people and I really worry when I hear people talking like that.
	I really worry.
	You can't give your power away to other people.
	You have to do it yourself.
	Once you turn yourself over to a guru or a savant, and that's it.
	You're starting to break your own spiritual connection.
	That's it.
	Break your own connection with yourself.
	That's right.
	So I don't want people to think that, feel that, believe that, or anything else, because that's not the truth.
	Now, what I do try to do is tell my audience the truth.
	That doesn't mean it's always the truth.
	I can be wrong.
	I can err.
	I'm human.
	So can it.
	So, with the exception perhaps of what is 100% TRV'd, Otherwise, we're human beings.
	Treat us that way.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi there.
	Hi, yeah.
	Ed Deans, I have a couple questions for you.
	About two years ago, you had targeted around the date 2020, and you said there was no words to describe the scene.
	Do you remember that?
	Actually, I think he said that, let's see if I can remember, a discontinuity.
	Was it on the spiritual sense?
	I know you said you couldn't put words to it.
	At that time we did not know what we were dealing with at all.
	We couldn't describe it and then it took us two years to ascertain it.
	We were dealing with an actual physical event and it dealt with our own son.
	What do you think, that scene that you targeted that time, can you think it could be explained
	like you explained earlier that the soul was now in charge and now is looking back at the
	body that now just has a mind and that's maybe what the quickening event could be moving
	towards is allowing the soul to take charge completely and overwrite the mind.
	So we can gain access to that one mind.
	Oh, that's very interesting.
	To help us clean up our mess.
	Interesting.
	Okay, I didn't describe anything like that at the time.
	I do understand what you're talking about, though.
	But I did not describe that, nor use that as targeting material.
	Could there be a spiritual event of that magnitude?
	I'll be the first person to say anything's possible from what I've seen.
	Anything.
	Beyond anything that I could imagine.
	That's amazing.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	You're going to have to yell at us, sir.
	You don't yell very loud.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm going to fell.
	I have a couple of questions, actually, for Ed.
	Where are you, by the way?
	Oklahoma, actually.
	Oklahoma.
	Norman, where the tornadoes just hit.
	I take it you were missed.
	Yes, I was.
	Go right ahead.
	Have you targeted anything about the date, October 12th or 13th of this year?
	I'll just ask most of them and then I'll get back and let you answer.
	Have you targeted anything about the date, October 12th or 13th of this year?
	And my second question is about the Bible refers to the Antichrist having a number as
	We can't.
	It's one of the limitations of our technology.
	I was also wondering if you've targeted anything about that.
	All right.
	First of all, if I can answer, and I guess we've done enough shows, you don't target dates exactly.
	We can't.
	And rarely do you attach dates to events.
	TRV doesn't do that.
	We can't.
	It's one of the limitations of our technology.
	We can look at where an event is bracketed in time, or we can easily look at a next event and describe it,
	but we can't place dates on it.
	Got you.
	What about... 666, as we talked about before, translates to money.
	Money.
	To money?
	Mm-hmm.
	All right.
	What's to the Rockies?
	You're on the... Let me qualify that.
	All right.
	When a remote viewer, remote views 666 as a topical search, At the end of a 45 minute remote interview, they've sketched coins and currency and dollar bills, foreign currency, that kind of thing.
	So that's what I mean when I say money.
	American money?
	No, all kinds of money.
	So the idea in the collective consciousness and unconscious matrix, that's our technical term for it, is that 666 relates very powerfully to that idea contemporaneously, money.
	Okay.
	Western Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Not a lot of time.
	Good evening, Art.
	Good evening, Ed.
	This is Les in Lacey, Washington, listening to you guys on Coma 1000.
	I wanted to pose a question to Art and to Ed in regards to these angelic beings.
	Do you feel that the remote viewing is giving you a better means to understand what they're trying to achieve on Earth?
	I've given us a better means that we might be able to, through prayer, communicate with them to achieve things that are towards the betterment of humanity?
	Yes.
	In all regards, yes.
	Other than that, that's about all I wanted to find out.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Hey, how are you?
	It's Brian from Philadelphia.
	Hello, Brian.
	Yeah, I wanted to follow up on the... I'm on the highway at the moment.
	All right.
	Turn the radio off.
	Off, off.
	Add on to the woman asking about remote viewing the resurrection.
	Yes.
	Kind of getting, I guess, to the heart of Christianity.
	Resurrect... I mean, yeah, resurrecting.
	Remote viewing the terms original sin and atonement.
	Which would then be the crucifixion slash resurrection?
	That's a preconceived notion.
	That's a preconceived notion.
	We would never go into a problem assuming that something has a meaning.
	We wouldn't do that.
	I guess the term in a spiritual sense is atonement.
	And again, that's a definition that has been adopted by convention.
	We don't assume anything.
	Yeah, he's really right.
	If you were to look at the resurrection, you'd have to do it without any preconceptions about what it is.
	Okay, how about then just that term, original sin?
	Yes, that could be a topical search.
	We can research it as a topic.
	Fifteen years ago, we didn't think topical searches were doable in remote viewing, but it turns out to be.
	We have to run about five or six 45-minute remote viewing sessions And then see what we're dealing with, because we're not sure of the question in the terms of a topical search.
	Do you see what I mean?
	Okay.
	We're not sure if the question is correct.
	And so that's why we go in and feel it out, and then come out and see if a pattern emerges.
	Sometimes we're dealing with just a nonsense idea, and we've got nothing to start off with, except play.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, thank you very much.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Maybe one more.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	I've got a question for Mr. Dames.
	All right.
	A while ago he said that precursor, I mean that precursor is going to happen between now and two and a half years, but it's supposed to happen before Y2K probably.
	That's only eight months away.
	No, we're not sure.
	We are saying that, number one, that the solar event, yes, in the next two and a half years, very likely, but that That may not necessarily be the case with Y2K.
	That something or a series of things is going to make the Y2K problem minor or moot.
	That must be another event.
	The other question I have is about two and a half years ago, it was during the summer, I heard you were talking with Bart and he said that we're going to have some winter season coming up.
	And then you said that there aren't going to be any more seasons.
	What did you mean by that?
	I mean that they will all blend together.
	You won't see a distinct summer or fall, winter and autumn.
	All the seasons will be blending together in different regions.
	You know what?
	I think I'm already seeing that, or I'm feeling it, or I'm sensing it, Ed, that it has already begun.
	Alright, listen.
	We're out of time.
	We're out of time.
	So I want to be able to give out the number for the technical remote viewing tapes again.
	Numbers, actually two of them.
	And they are 1-888.
	These are toll-free numbers.
	888, these are toll-free numbers, 1-888-878-0333 or 1-877-878-1777.
	That's one, eight, seven, seven, eight, seven, eight.
	One, triple, seven.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	And again, if you're a high school administrator or a librarian, Operation Guiding Light, get in touch with me via our website, scitech.net, and we'll see if we can get some tapes to you and your students.
	All right.
	Well, I wish you well, my friend, as always.
	Thank you, Art.
	No doubt be meeting you in Hawaii.
	OK.
	Welcome back again.
	Thank you, Ed.
	We're all glad you're here.
	Take care.
	All right.
	That's it.
	That's Major Ed Dames.
	I text Major Ed Dames.
	And yes, I'm back.
	No question about that.
	And it's great to be here.
	It's kind of like I never skipped a beat.
	Anyway, if you would like a copy of this night's show, a four-hour program with Major Ed Daines, you can get it by calling 1-800-917-4278.
	That's 1-800-917-4278.
	It really is awfully nice to be back in this chair, everybody.
	That's 1-800-917-4278.
	It really is awfully nice to be back in this chair, everybody.
	Thank you for your patience, and again, Hilly Rose, thank you for filling in.
	And if you hear various people from time to time filling in, you will know that I am doing what I must do.
	And I hope you understand.
	You are an understanding group.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
	See you tomorrow night, and we're going to be talking about going 10,000 feet underground.
	We're going to talk to a gal who does that.

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