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March 11, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Peter Davenport - Phoenix Lights 2nd Anniversary

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unidentified		You kept me running, going out of my bed.
		You get me thinking that I'm wasting my time Don't bring me down No, no, no, no, no I'll tell you what's wrong Before I get up the floor Don't bring me down To talk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA.
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		Kingdom of Nye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is breaking news in ufology.
		Peter Davenport is here along with Robert A. Fairfax, Director of Investigations for MUFON in Washington.
		And there's been a major case with multiple witnesses, one that's really going to blow your mind.
		They're going to tell you that story in a moment.
		They've just completed the investigation, if you ever actually complete one of these things.
		Also, there is breaking news in Chicago.
		Peter Davenport will have that story for you, or near Chicago somewhere, where a very large, guess what, once again, triangular object has been sighted.
		That and a lot more coming right up.
		So, the old say.
		Peter Davenport is the director of the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, and he's been sporadically doing reports on this program now for, I don't know.
		How long has it been, Peter?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		My first appearance was on Dreamland on Sunday, the 19th of February, 1995, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		95, huh?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Four years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, four years, and investigating, taking reports actually first, collating them, and occasionally investigating reports.
		And this falls into the category of Peter actually went out on the road and investigated what we're about to tell you about.
		I also have with me Robert A. Fairfax, who is director of investigations for MUFON in Washington State.
		And that should be self-explanatory.
		Robert, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		I wanted to say one thing to begin with.
		We haven't completed the whole investigation, just the initial interviews.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I kind of figured that.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really probably never ends fully.
		I wonder how many of that, in fact, that's a pretty good question, actually, for Peter or for either one of you.
		How many of these investigations actually come to a complete conclusion and end closed?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good question, Art.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And I think I can honestly say that I don't think any one of these investigations that we've handled in the last four or four and a half years has ever been closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a feeling.
		So that said, what the heck happened?
		What did you two do?
		What were the reports, and where did you go?
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It is a fascinating story.
		I find this one particularly alarming art, and I think our listeners tonight will get a feeling of that.
		Why don't I start off, Bob, with just a brief introduction of what happened.
		Maybe you can fill in the blanks, and then we'll play about a 77-second tape of the first report we got about this just about two weeks ago.
		But in a nutshell, what happened is this, on Thursday, the 25th of February, 1999, about two or three minutes before noon, a group of forestry workers in the state of Washington not far from Mount St. Helens,
		which blew its top out here a couple decades ago, three of those workers saw what at first they thought was a parachute drifting over the ridge to the south of them and drifting into the valley to the north of their location.
		They were out doing forestry work, which they've done for a decade or decade and a half, many of them in that area.
		They were astonished by this thing.
		The first three to see the object quickly called the attention of their co-workers to it, and they watched that object for, they estimate, three, four, maybe five minutes.
		And the long and the short of it is that object drifted towards a herd of elk.
		And it was seen by 14 witnesses, allegedly, to pick one of the adult elk off the ground, pick it up out of the forest, and do a circle with it, and then start rising, rising faster and faster and faster, and it disappeared from their sight to the northeast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They abducted an elk?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		A fully grown adult elk, apparently, and it flew off to the northeast.
		Apparently the object, and I'm going to let Bob fill in some of the details that I've skipped over here.
		Apparently the object, after it picked up the elk, started slowly trying to gain altitude, apparently.
		And as it got higher, this elk apparently got closer and closer to the bottom of the disc.
		And by the time the object was above the observers, they could no longer see the elk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like it had some kind of tractor beam on the elk?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, could they see a beam of anything?
unidentified		No, they didn't see a beam.
unidentified		And it appeared that the hull may have even come in contact with the top of the head before the elk started disappearing into the bottom of the craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big was the craft, Bob?
unidentified		The craft wasn't much bigger than the elk.
unidentified		The elk is, we're talking about a 500-pound animal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's pretty big.
unidentified		Yeah, it stands four and a half feet at the shoulder and about six and a half feet from nose to tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is a pretty wild story, folks.
		Let's go back to the beginning.
		How many people, Praytel, saw this?
unidentified		14.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		14 witnesses, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		14 witnesses.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And we were able to interview three of them.
		And of course, one, a good investigator is always skeptical, particularly in a case like this where you're being told just absolutely incredible, incredible things.
		But Bob and I, just a week ago, tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon, met with three of those 14 witnesses.
		And I'll let Bob speak for his own part, but my impression of the people we met with, the people who were involved with this case, are as sober-minded and modest and soft-spoken, perhaps even self-effacing a group of people as you'll ever run across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They didn't want any publicity, I take it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They want absolutely no publicity.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's part of the reason I'm pleased to have two of us on this phone tonight describing what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that you were both.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Because it is very difficult to believe.
		If you would permit me, I would like to play about a 77-second cut of the first report we got.
		This first came in on the, actually this is a brief conversation I had with a gentleman.
		This came in on the 1st of March, just about three or four days after the event, after it had been preliminarily investigated by some of the people who were involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this is what put you onto it?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This is the conversation I had a week ago, actually, that first put us on it.
		And Bob and I were on the road at about 9.30 the next morning, Friday morning, just a week ago, headed to the site.
		But let me play this cut.
		It's about 70 seconds long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		I was told the crew was out planting trees.
		About noon, they looked up and saw what they thought it was a parachute coming down.
		But as they got closer to the ground, it stopped and started doing some maneuvering, which got the attention of more of the crew members.
		And they were standing there within 500 yards.
		They noticed it was a machine rather than a parachute after a little bit.
		It went over a herd of elk and it took up next to them, and it went over under the bank elk and actually picked one of them up and took it, I'm assuming, into the machine.
		They said that it then acted like the weight of that thing was almost too much for them.
		And it started wobbling.
		Time to gain altitude, it was moving over towards the edge of the clear cut, and they thought it was going to crash into the trees, but it stopped, moved back over into the middle of the clear cut, hovered for a minute, and went out of sight vertical.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And it took the elk with it, did it?
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And when did this occur, please?
		Do you happen to know?
		The exact date I don't.
unidentified		It was, I believe, Thursday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that started you out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see how that would get you going, all right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I at first didn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear you.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		But it was coming from people with whom we've met now, and they're as sober-minded a group of people as you'll meet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's talk about who they are.
		Bob, who are these witnesses?
		14 people seeing this.
		That's pretty impressive.
		Now, what kind of witnesses are we talking about here?
unidentified		Well, we're talking about people that were scared.
		Scared by this event as much as the Elkhurt was scared.
		Apparently, they were both huddling after the event.
		Not together, but in separate groups.
		The impression I got was that they didn't want to jeopardize their jobs by talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then how did you get them to talk?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They were willing to talk to us in a special fashion, I will say.
		These people really, really do not want any publicity, and that is sort of an interesting aspect.
		That, from my vantage point, and I think Bob would probably agree, that is a very good sign.
		These people do not have any kind of agenda they apparently are trying to fulfill.
		They would not even allow us to photograph them.
		And there are certain aspects of our interview that we probably should just gloss over here and not mention at all.
		But they took a day off.
		It was their day off when we interviewed them.
		And they assembled and drove some distance to meet with us to share with us firsthand what it was that they allegedly had seen just about eight days earlier.
		And it was interesting to watch them interact with one another.
		We interviewed them together for a host of reasons.
		Generally, you like to interview people separately.
		We did it together for a host of reasons.
		And it was very interesting to see how each of them amplified what the other one would say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you taping?
unidentified		We did tape, yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But obviously, for obvious reasons, we can't put that on the air.
unidentified		Right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yep, they don't want to.
unidentified		We do look for certain signs and things that we know are common, but most witnesses don't know about.
		One of them was that the craft wobbled.
		It wobbled before, it picked the creature up, it wobbled afterwards, and it wobbled in an interesting fashion.
		It oscillated around all points of the compass, like a wave motion traveling around the circumference, which is typical of reports that we get with video, for instance.
		It's a very strange and peculiar type of movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, question.
		You remember the video, the now famous or infamous, I'm not sure which it is, Mexico City video of the wobbling UFO that goes behind the buildings?
		Like that?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Apparently so.
		It was wobbling slowly as it approached the elk, according to the witnesses.
		And as you heard this gentleman just comment in this tape I just played, after it picked the animal up, it was almost as if it was overgrossed, as though it had too much weight, and it started wobbling in a much more pronounced fashion.
		And what people describe to us, I found to be very reminiscent of that tape from Mexico City called the Las Lamitas tape.
		Jaime Massant, who I know has been a guest on your program, described it and described his new evidence in that case, and it's rather convincing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly the interview with a little girl who saw it independent of any tape or any knowledge, that was extremely convincing.
unidentified		Yes, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the best bunking efforts of the confirmation program.
		So the two of you, I mean, 14 witnesses, that's really incredible.
		You might get a couple of people, maybe even three, to concoct a story, but not, I don't think, 14.
		And particularly under the conditions of we don't want anything, we really don't want to talk to you, and we certainly don't want our pictures taken, and you don't have permission to play the tape.
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		14 witnesses is pretty good art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		anybody have any idea what they might want with an elk?
unidentified		Well, of course, there are all the mutilation cases.
		And we had heard that there was, and we did examine a dead elk that was not too far, maybe 20 minutes from the site.
		However, there were no marks at all.
		It looked like a healthy, but dead elk.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was a very mysterious situation.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		If I can jump in there, Bob.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Bob examined it more than I did, although we were standing, I mean, just two feet from this animal.
		A very healthy, well-fed, pregnant female elk.
		No broken bones, no bullet wound.
		We rolled her over with another gentleman who is very experienced in these matters.
		We could find no overt sign of injury, bullet hole, or anything.
		And it is common for wild animals to die, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your hypothesis, gentlemen, that you examined possibly the elk that had been taken up?
unidentified		Well, we don't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just asking if that you know.
unidentified		It's one of the possibilities.
		The other possibility, other than natural death, would be that perhaps radiation from the craft could have affected another elk that was nearby.
		This wasn't the only dead elk found.
		There was another one, a yearling, which we didn't get a chance to examine at another spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did either one of you come away from the interview of these three with any doubts about the story?
unidentified		No doubts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubts.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		No doubt worth mentioning in my case either.
		These people are sincere, intelligent, eloquent people who were unsettled by what they allegedly had seen.
		They had no particular desire.
		We had to round them up.
		It took some effort to get them rounded up over the course of the day to meet with us.
		They're responsible enough individuals that they recognize the value of this information.
		They did meet with us.
		It was a very matter-of-fact, factual interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And again, the craft itself was barely larger than the elk.
		Is that so?
		So it wasn't that big.
unidentified		No.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that they commented on, this is a very interesting point.
		Maybe you can amplify on this too, Bob.
		They commented that the object was not much larger in diameter, and it was disc-shaped.
		Clearly disc-shaped, is the impression I got from them.
		It was not much bigger than the elk itself, as Bob has mentioned.
		But when it picked up the elk, their impression was that the object increased in its dimension.
		It got bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It morphed or it grew, literally, to accommodate the bulk or the size of the elk.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We can't guarantee that.
		There could have been optical illusion.
		There are a lot of things involved in this case.
		Speaking for my own part, speaking for the National UFO Reporting Center and Peter Davenport, I do not speak for MUFON.
		Bob would have that privilege.
		But I find this case to be alarming.
		It is a landmark case.
		Regrettably, we do not have a photograph.
		We do not have anything that I would construe to be hard-proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, 14 witnesses is pretty good for me.
		Yes.
		Bob, how would you classify this case in the cases that you have investigated in Washington?
unidentified		Well, I've never come across an elk abduction before.
		Mutilations are fairly rare.
		I've had some, mostly on the eastern side of the mountains, involving cattle.
		And, of course, just north of us in B.C., there was a rash of cat mutilations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This elk apparently was actually seen by these witnesses to be in midair below the craft and then slowly rising to it.
unidentified		Yeah, when the craft approached the herd, the herd scattered up the hill to the east.
		One of the elks separated from the herd, and that's the one that the UFO grabbed.
		Now, once it had the elk, the witnesses couldn't see the elk kicking or any movement other than a slow rotation of the elk underneath the craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A rotation?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was sort of frozen, but turning slowly?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		And then also it seemed to be disappearing up into the hull, though there wasn't any opening that was described.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That was an interesting part of their testimony or their statement.
		They were looking down.
		We estimate about 280 feet vertical elevation difference between the observers and the UFO that was below them.
		So they were looking at the top of the object when it was going after the elf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that too is really different.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, gentlemen, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Can you imagine that elf slowly twisting, frozen, and slowly twisting toward that craft?
		14 witnesses, folks.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		Love it for nothing.
		We got it right back to where we started from We got it right back to where we started from And the vision that was planted in my brain still remains from the Kingdom of Nigh.
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		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10,000 people, maybe more.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And remember last hour, a little levity here, we had a call from a fellow who said that Lysol kills herpes.
		He suggested at an appropriate moment, a spraying down of oneself after the fact.
		A friend of mine who is a doctor facts me quickly the following.
		Hey, Art, Lysol kills herpes?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can cure crabs with an ice pick.
		That sort of draws a kind of paints a mental picture there that you don't want to think about too long.
		It's a serious story we're into, and so I'll have to compose myself and we'll get back to it.
unidentified		Real talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you enjoy?
		All right, this is a major incident we are discussing with 14 witnesses of truly non-trivial matter.
		The abduction, apparent abduction of an elk in a craft, seen by 14 witnesses.
		And gentlemen, a couple of more questions.
		You said that the witnesses were looking down, so they actually saw the top of the craft.
		They saw all this from above.
		That's unusual by itself.
		How far away, about, from the craft when it got to the elk were the witnesses?
		How far away?
unidentified		Why don't you take that, Bob?
		Well, we've got an estimate of about 350 to 400 yards.
		Okay.
		So it's a distance, and you can't see detail at that distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three or four football fields.
unidentified		One interesting point, the reason the craft made a 360 circle, we think, is because the elk wasn't completely inside when it hit the tree line.
		And we think that some of the witnesses think that the elk may have hit the top of the trees.
		And then the craft wobbled a bunch and backed up basically and did a 360 spiral to clear the trees before it went vertical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then once it went vertical, it took off at great speed or?
unidentified		No, no, it was fairly slow throughout.
		It never hovered.
		It basically maintained a steady speed and eventually disappeared in the cloud cover.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It just rose and rose and rose along the eastern or western facing slope, and then it got steeper and steeper and just went out of their sight, disappeared into the sky to the northeast.
		That's what they reported to us.
		It is an astonishing story, in my opinion, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anytime you have 14 people who saw the same thing, you've got to stop and think real hard.
		And so this, you know, it calls to mind a million questions.
		Why such a small craft?
		Why an elk?
		What would they do with an elk?
		Who are they?
		Was it a guided craft?
		Was it a robotic craft?
		Sounds like it might have been a robotic craft, but who the hell knows?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's very difficult to answer those questions.
		Bob and I, I think, are frustrated immensely by this case because we don't have a photograph.
		If we had a photograph of this one, I think it would change the complexion of ufology dramatically.
		But these guys were out there planting trees.
		They didn't think that they would see something like that.
		They didn't have a camera.
		One of the things that they reported to us is very interesting.
		They noted that, as Bob reported earlier, the herd of elk after this incident regrouped in the same area and stayed very close to one another.
		Noticeably closer, they reported, and they were able to compare because they had been watching the animals throughout that morning down in the valley below them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, isn't that the behavior of a group of elk or a herd of elk, wouldn't it be similar if a predator had taken one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't the elk then sort of gather closer for protection of the unit?
unidentified		I believe so.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a large animal biologist.
		It's very difficult for me to say, but that seems reasonable.
		Of course it does.
		Interestingly, the workers themselves stayed very close to one another throughout that day.
		They clearly, clearly were unsettled by this incident and apparently talked about it profusely among themselves, and they were even put in touch with people with more authority in that area.
		We don't want to identify them and describe their story to we don't want to get them fired is what it comes to.
		They don't want to be identified.
		None of the people involved in this case wish to be identified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob, how long have you been an investigator for MUFON?
unidentified		About seven years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anything either one of you want to add to this one that we haven't covered?
unidentified		Hopefully we can uncover something else.
unidentified		We are planning on talking to some more witnesses if that's possible.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		One thing I might add are when we were examining this dead female elk, we actually examined the dead elk before we went to the site of the alleged incident.
		I noticed that this animal had ticks on it.
		When you ran your hand through the fur of the animal, it had dead ticks on its neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dead ticks.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Dead ticks.
		Now, my experience with ticks is that when an animal dies and starts getting cool, the ticks generally will leave the animal.
		These ticks appeared to be still clinging to the animal.
		The animal was first seen on the 1st of March, Monday morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the ticks were dead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The ticks were dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, again, I'm not an animal person, and you're not either, but I wonder if that's normal.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one of the things I'd like to do is talk to an entomologist and a large animal biologist to find out if anything is known about the migration of ticks after an animal has died.
		But there was no mark on this animal.
		It makes me wonder whether the ticks and the animal might have been killed by the same cause, let's call it.
		But it is a very interesting case.
unidentified		We also noted that there weren't any scavengers that had attacked the carcass.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		And in fact, the people who went out with us, or the person who went out with us, is very experienced with these animals, and he noted that as well.
		It seems unusual that this animal would lie for at least five days, maybe more like nine days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd say impossible.
		I live here in Perump, Nevada, and there's a gazillion rabbits.
		And when a rabbit is hit by a car, you can't count 24 hours before all signs of that rabbit, save a little discoloration on the road, are gone.
		The birds pick it apart inside of 24 hours without fail.
		And that's how it works here.
		Now, it's absolutely unreasonable that anything after eight or nine days would not have been...
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Its ribs were sticking out.
		But that animal was totally, totally untouched by any kind of predator, birds or any kind of scavenger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I realize that both of you are investigators, but would either one of you like to conjecture anything about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is that asking too much of an investigator?
unidentified		Well, for me, it's asking too much because there's just too many unknowns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess we'll leave it to everybody in the audience to conjecture then.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'm hard put to go any further than we've gone because we've just run headlong into the barrier of the information we have.
		We don't have any more.
		We don't have any proof.
		All we have is statements from individuals, although, again, seemingly very reliable individuals.
		The only other thing I can add is that I have never seen this volume of UFO reports as what I've seen in the last couple of months, and even recently.
		And there's been a cluster of reports just in the last two weeks, I would say, from all over the country.
		In fact, we had a major sighting out in the Midwest tonight.
		I gather we have some listeners out in the Chicago area.
		Major sighting in Lamont, Illinois tonight.
		And minutes later, the object apparently was seen down in Sandusky, Ohio area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ohio.
		Well, listen, at this point, I think we'll say thank you to Bob.
		Bob, thank you so much for coming on tonight.
		I understand how Peter feels.
		Coming on the air with a story like this without some support would be a very uncomfortable thing to do.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Ari.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so thank you for coming on and take care.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's Bob, and he's an investigator for MUFON and has been so for about seven years.
		Boy, that was some story.
		All right, now Chicago.
		What the hell has happened in Chicago?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was just sitting here preparing for this program tonight, minding my own business, hoping the phone would be quiet, and it was not, Art.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We have had what appears to be, based on preliminary data, just about two and a half hours ago, a huge triangle was seen in the vicinity of Lamont, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that from Chicago?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I have not been able to find it on a map yet.
		I didn't have time to do it.
		But it is a rural area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody, please email me and tell me where Lamont is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll have that answer for you in a moment.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I presume it's out to the west because if you go east from Chicago, of course, it's not rural area at all.
		But let me, if you'd permit me, what I would like to do to kick it off is just play about a 50-second audio cut that I took just this evening about a sighting out there at 10.30 p.m. Central Standard Time.
		The first cut I would like to play is a young gal, age 16, who was out driving.
		And I'll let her describe what she saw.
		It was very dramatic.
		And after that, we might play a cut from the mother who saw the same object.
		She was called out by her daughter.
		But here's a 50-second cut of what a young woman saw in Lamont, Illinois tonight, just about two hours ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we are.
unidentified		All right.
		And it wasn't moving.
		It was just sitting there in the sky.
		And I was driving towards it.
		And I went to make a turn, and it was coming closer.
		And then it was right above me.
		And it was triangular shaped.
		And it had lights on the end of the wings of it.
		And it was going really slow.
		Okay.
		And really low, too.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		How long did you witness it, do you estimate?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And what time did you see it, please?
unidentified		It was around 10.30 p.m.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And what direction was it going?
		Could you estimate that?
unidentified		It was going east.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was going east, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And then later when we saw it, it was going south.
		It like turned, I guess.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So I came in the house and I said, Mom, you got to come on here.
unidentified		There's something in the sky.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Go ahead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So that girl tonight, Art, we're talking about an event less than two hours ago not far from Chicago saw a huge triangle overhead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And we didn't know what to make of that until we got a call from the Sandusky, Ohio, Sheriff's Office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sheriff's Office.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Reporting a sighting down there.
		But before we go to that sighting in Ohio that occurred just a few minutes after this sighting up in Illinois, if you'd permit me, let me play about a 70-second cut with regard to what this young woman's mother had to do.
		Okay, I'm glad to know.
		Interestingly, this young gal described that when they last saw the object tonight, it was going to the east and it made a turn and it was going to the south.
		I presume those are approximate directions.
		But let's listen to what the mother had to describe.
		Her daughter came in, called her out, and said, Mom, you've got to look at this.
		Let's listen to what the mother has to report.
		Here we are, about 70-second cut.
unidentified		Sure.
		I saw it was triangular-shaped, but it was not flying very high, but I think higher by the time I saw it than once it.
		And seemed to be flying as though it was going where the point was.
		It's not probably around 1035.
		There were lights all around it.
		There was one light in the center underneath.
		And I can't remember if it was red or blue.
		It was red.
		I couldn't remember if it was blue.
		There were blue lights on the sides.
		There was some white lights.
		See, it just had a ton of lights around it.
		Flying airplane sound at all.
		And even when there's planes going really high overhead, because we are a rural suburb and it's dark, you will hear it at night.
		There was no sound.
		We were out there looking at critters.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was so silent as this object passed over them, they could hear the critters, she says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds just hiding.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		It's hiding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly like it.
		What is going on, Peter?
		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I wish I knew, Art.
		I'm not able to say any more than the average person on the city streets what all of this means.
		But I am in a privileged position, of course, to be able to have an oversight of the country and what's going on.
		And my impression is that these sightings are becoming more overt.
		These things are showing themselves much more brazenly than has been the case in the past.
		And it's happening much more frequently.
		You recall the sighting that Roger Lear and I reported on the 2nd of March that we had had in Laughlin on the 27th of February.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a little news for you on that one.
		I got a lot of emails, follow-up emails to that.
		It was seen in Arizona.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That same night, Peter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The same thing you saw was seen in Arizona widely.
unidentified		Yep.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised.
		There was a similar sighting in Pomona, California that morning over a golf course.
		They had 30 people standing looking at a cigar over a golf course in Pomona, California on Saturday morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean a cigar-shaped object?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		Thank you.
		A cigar-shaped object.
		Terminology of my business, I sometimes lose track of it.
		A cigar-shaped object, metallic in appearance.
		They had long enough to go get a set of binoculars, come back and watch it.
		There were sightings all over this country that morning, that afternoon, and that evening.
		But before we leave this sighting tonight, may I play one more cut, an audio cut of about 50 seconds duration, of what was reported to us shortly after the report you just heard came in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This is from a young gal who was out driving with a young friend of hers, a male friend.
		They saw the object coming from the west or the northwest, which is exactly where it would have been coming from after Chicago.
		And this is just a few minutes after the Chicago sighting.
		Here we go.
		This is Sandusky, Ohio.
unidentified		First, we seen a really bright light, and we followed it.
		We got up to 85 miles per hour, got up right underneath it, and it was up in the sky.
		And we thought it was a big, bright star.
		And we're like, no, that is not a star.
		That's huge.
		So we got up right underneath it.
		And it was like a pyramid with three circular lights.
		And we got underneath it, and it was there for about a few minutes.
		And it shot up into the sky.
		Like you see a shooting star fall down.
		It was like a shooting star going up into the sky.
		I mean, it was crazy.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And what time did you see it?
unidentified		And where were you located in Ohio at the time, C. I was at 101 and 268, like combing into Clyde.
		It was probably, what, five minutes?
		We even shut off the car and like, you know, he got out and I like just watched it.
		It was like freaky.
		It was like just, you know, we knew it wasn't a plane and it was like flying in the sky and we got underneath it.
		It wasn't a plane.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That was tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Now she said pyramid.
		But a pyramid is nothing but a triangle, really.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know whether that was an exact description.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		In both these cases, the observers were emotionally involved.
unidentified		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you could clearly hear it in her voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		These young gals were still up, even though they have school or work tomorrow morning, they were still up because they couldn't go to sleep.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Both of them commented on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, it does that to you.
		does that to you.
		And, you know, a strange...
		But there's a kind of a state of shock that you're in for a while, and then comes the lack of sleep.
		Then you begin to think about what just happened to you.
		But when it's actually happening, you're almost suspended.
unidentified		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		What you're describing, Art, is something that I have heard over the hotline here in Seattle hundreds of times, hundreds of times.
		And it has that effect on people.
		You're exactly right.
		But these sightings have been occurring all over the United States regularly, night and day.
		In fact, I have another very interesting cut here.
		If we get about two minutes after the break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we have plenty of time.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I will play about a two-minute cut.
		I presume you may have a few listeners in Los Angeles.
		Am I correct in that assumption?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One or two at least.
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They may want to stay tuned because I'm going to play about a two-minute audio cut of what allegedly occurred very close to Los Angeles proper this past Sunday at about 5.20 in the morning below solid overcast.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		You know, one thing we're always interested in is missile launches out of Vandenberg.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		But I think when our listeners have heard this cut, they will agree that this cannot be ascribed to a missile or any kind of conventional aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
		We'll be right back with that.
		I'm Marthell.
		This is Coast to Coast AF to Peter Davenport.
		And just before we launch into what happened in L.A., Peter, on the phone, you and I were talking, and you said something about our government.
		You want to repeat that?
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure I do, Art, but I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if it's something you really feel, you should say it.
		Yeah.
		Because I agree with it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm alarmed by this government.
		I think it's important for our listeners to know just how modest an operation this is up in Seattle.
		A lot of people mistake us for a Fortune 300 company, but we're not.
		We're about one or two, maybe three dedicated people with a couple telephone lines, an antiquated tape recorder, and a computer.
		And we can generate some pretty good data just with that equipment.
		If we can do that, I ask rhetorically, what must the U.S. government be doing in spending 300 billions of our dollars every year for defense?
		Obviously, they are detecting UFOs, and therefore they are lying to the American people.
		It is that simple, and that concerns me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It concerns me, too.
		It is a straight-out, bold-faced, absolute lie.
		That's all it is.
		It's all it can be, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It is the biggest lie on the planet today.
		The fact that these governments would have us believe, Art, that this phenomenon that you and I have been talking about now for an hour and a quarter tonight, and in fact for four years, is not taking place.
		Now, it is alarming to me because this government we have purportedly, allegedly, is representative of our interests.
		Why are they saying nothing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because perhaps they feel it is in our interest not to know.
		Now, just go back no further, if you will, than the Roswell press conference, Roswell case closed.
		Remember that one?
		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was all due to crash dummies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely ludicrous.
		And you have to wonder why they even...
		I would love to know the people who sat around the table and decided they were going to have a press conference about Roswell to debunk the whole thing.
		And wouldn't you love to know?
		I mean, there's got to be a paperwork trail a mile long about that thing.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		I don't know much about Roswell.
		I find some of these cases that we talk about routinely to be even more gripping, more alarming than Roswell.
		Let us face it.
		Roswell was over half a century ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one you just brought us comes to mind.
		14 witnesses.
		Yeah.
		But I mean, Peter, trust me, I was in the Air Force, and nothing would, high-profile public like that would happen in a million years without a whole bunch of people sitting around, high-profile type general class officers and civilians of some sort deciding exactly what was going to be done.
		It's a lie.
		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I used to be an Air Force Brat for one year.
		I got a good dose of the U.S. Air Force as a kid, 14 years of age, living in East Africa, Ethiopia.
		I was a family friend and guest of a family that was assigned duty there.
		And I became quite familiar with how things are done in the military, and then I served four years myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure would like to have somebody out there, Peter Griston, are you listening, serve up a freedom of information request with regard to the planning of that whole Roswell press conference?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Los Angeles.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's go to Los Angeles, and I hope we have a few listeners down there tonight, because just four days ago, there was apparently, we have only one source on this, but apparently a very dramatic event.
		It was not a missile launch for reasons that will become evident to our listeners here very shortly.
		And this was a former LAPD officer who witnessed what you're about to hear.
		It's about a two-minute and 15-second cut.
		It's a little bit longer than I like to play, but it gets interesting towards the end.
		Here we go.
		It's actually in La Mirada, which I think is about 15 miles east of Los Angeles.
		This is Sunday, the 7th of March, just four days ago.
		Here we go.
unidentified		On the 7th of March, at 5.20 in the morning in suburban Los Angeles, my husband was leaving.
		He's a police motor officer to go to work.
		Under heavy cloud cover, he was standing in the driveway.
		He called me up to see if we were wondering if it was going to rain.
		Under the clouds was this large yellow round-shaped something.
		At first, we thought it might be a planet, realized it was under the cloud cover.
		We then got the binoculars, came out.
		As I came out, he said, look, a smaller portion pulled away or broke off and at a measured pace took off in a south direction and disappeared into the clouds.
		After that disappeared, the larger, and by this time I was looking through the binoculars, it was not as solid yellow or light as it would be with a star or a planet, light and dark, light and dark, light and dark.
		And it then took off at also a measured pace and went in a northeasterly direction.
		We thought it might be something going to Edwards Air Force Base.
		There has been nothing in any of the papers or on TV.
		Frequently, things like that are called into TV stations and they may have seen it on air.
		Sit with me, this has really sort of bugged me.
		What is this?
		And we have always thought, well, we don't disbelieve, we don't believe, we just have open.
		And when we saw this, what we talked about it, why we thought, this is something unusual.
		And it has to be a, it's not a natural.
		If it were, it would not show through the cloud cover.
		It was under the cloud cover.
		It couldn't be showing through the clouds.
		There were no stars, no anything else showing.
		And it disappeared into the clouds.
		That was the other thing.
		When it did come into the this northeasterly direction, it went away and then just slid into the clouds.
		How long do you estimate you watched it, please?
		Well, it was three or four minutes because I had time to run in the house, get the knockers, come out, and it was still stationary.
		And as I was adjusting them, my husband said, look.
		And that's when the smaller object just sort of, and I don't know how to explain it other than it seemed to come back to curve, turn.
		Whereas if something were naturally falling as a falling star, it would have just gone very quickly.
		This was at a measured pace.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So a measured pace, two objects, a large one, and according to this source, again, I wish to emphasize, Art, that it's a single source, but the only credible source.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This is the wife of the officer who's speaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I asked her at the end of our conversation whether she was professional, whether she worked in a responsible job.
		She speaks very eloquently.
		She's very precise with the language.
		You learn a lot about people when you spend half your day on the telephone, judging from their voices.
		She said she was.
		And this is a case in which the object went to the north and east after it had dropped a smaller object apparently out of the bottom of it, which slowed and stopped, and then it started moving in a methodical fashion to the southeast.
		I have no idea what could explain such a thing.
		There's nothing from this planet, in my opinion, that could explain something like that.
		And this is 15 miles from downtown Los Angeles just four days ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only thing that would really wrap this up is if you had a witness saying they saw a tune, it was a runny elk.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You know, about that elk.
		The one thing that I find really upsetting, I love animals.
		I love wild animals in particular.
		And it really troubles me if these animals are being tortured or if they are dying of fright.
		It's a very unsettling thought to me.
		And there's not a thing we can do about it that I'm aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they do die of fright, don't they?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course they do.
		It happens in the wild all the time.
		I understand.
		I'm not a specialist in these fields, but I can just imagine some kind of Independence Day barbecue just on the far side of the moon or something like that.
		But, you know, I have read, I'm not a specialist in the field of animal mutilation, but there have been, and Linda Howe could really address this.
		I think I've heard her say something like 30 or 40,000 cases, documented cases of farm animals that have been mutilated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		You should follow up by calling Linda and playing this for her.
		Well, no, there's nothing to play.
		I guess that we should get this segment to Linda so that she hears it, so she knows what's going on.
		I mean, this is really in her.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'll get in touch with her and let her know about this case.
		We wanted to make sure that it was real.
		We actually didn't believe it at first.
		We wanted to go down, talk to the people, see the place with our own eyes, look for evidence, and so on and so forth.
		But after our day of investigating this, I'm pretty well satisfied that this is a real case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I told Linda that you had something going that was in her area, and she was chafing it a bit, but I wouldn't tell her about it because I didn't really exactly know all the details, and I was sort of sworn to silence until we put it on the air tonight.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'll apologize to her.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I thought of her, and I didn't want to raise dust unless I had really something in hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else, Peter?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's all sorts of stuff going on.
		You know, Roger Lear and I were on the 2nd of March talking about our sighting in Laughlin, Nevada on the 27th of September, that Saturday night at the end of the UFO Congress.
		Apparently, you've gotten some information about that, but just yesterday we received a report from a gentleman who saw apparently those same objects, those same five objects in the night sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many, many people saw those objects.
unidentified		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		He was in Chloride, Arizona, which I estimate is about 20 miles maybe to the northeast, maybe east-northeast of Laughlin.
		And we got the report.
		I read it with eager delight because it tended to confirm the sighting that 50 of us had had right on the western bank of the Colorado River.
		And I quickly wrote him back asking him how he had found us, whether he had heard the broadcast on the 2nd of March.
		He said no, he didn't know about us, hadn't heard the broadcast.
		The interesting thing about his report art is he was 20 or 30 miles to the east of the observers that Roger and I were standing with in Laughlin, Nevada.
		And the objects were even to the east of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I had a whole raft, I should have talked to you about this, I had a whole raft of emails from people who saw these objects, Peter.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not just on that night, but on several consecutive nights at about the same time.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not surprised, Art.
		And what this one report we got from Chloride seems to tell me, if in fact he was looking at the objects at the same time we in the group of 50 over in Laughlin were looking at them, what it tells me is that the objects that we could see must have been 20 or 30 miles away from us, and they were quite prominent.
		They were not large, but they were prominent, which means that they must have been sizable.
		We're talking about something that must have been, I'm only guessing now, I've not worked this out, 30, 40, 50 meters in diameter and highly luminous for us to have been able to see them from 20 or 30 miles away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People frequently ask, if UFOs wish to visit Earth or be seen near Earth, why would they have luminosity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would they have lights?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless they want to be seen.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This woman who just reported from La Merada, she pointed out that there were alternating sections on this thing, light, dark, light, dark, light, dark.
		And we hear that all the time.
		In fact, it's reminiscent of a report from the 2nd of February that I think I played on an earlier program, an earlier program of COAST from Sicklerville, New Jersey.
		It's about 15, 20 miles southeast of Philadelphia.
		That's exactly what the woman reported she allegedly had seen on the 2nd of February this year.
		There's consistency between these reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, even our own government, our own Air Force, we've got stealth fighters, we've got stealth bombers, we've got black helicopters, and if we don't want them seen at night, they don't get seen.
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Imagine a technology that might be thousands, millions, or billions of years older than ours.
		When we encounter it, it will probably look like magic to us.
		Sure magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, the first mass-mind experiment I did, I did about two years and two weeks ago.
		The first experiment I dared toy with in my reckless early days was to try and get millions of people to concentrate on craft showing themselves above a major U.S. city.
		That was the first mass experiment we did.
		Two weeks later, almost to this very day, we had incredible occurrences in Phoenix, Arizona.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to make of that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's certainly not my field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It is clear.
		It is clear from my vantage point up here in Seattle that we're dealing with something that we do not understand.
		It is vastly beyond what grasp of technology we have on this planet.
		And I am prepared to give considerable, lend considerable ear to any assertion in the field of ufology, because the more we learn, the more confused we become.
		And it is clear that something is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only thing that seems clear is, as you suggested, frankly, earlier, that this is the biggest lie in the world.
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		You know, going back to that issue for a moment, if I may, I see we're coming up on a break here shortly.
		But the thing that confuses me about the government issue and UFOs is how could our government continue the lie through generations of elected officials?
		I mean, presidents, members of Congress, generations of people in the military.
		It's now been 50 years since the, over 50 years, almost 52 years now, since the so-called modern era of ufology began with Roswell or with Ken Arnold, actually, over the state of Washington.
		And that's a lot of people who have passed through fairly responsible positions in our government, and yet all of them have remained silent with a few notable exceptions.
		Barry Goldwater pressed this.
		Governor Carter actually pressed it.
		You know, he made at least two promises that I'm aware of in the summer of 1976 when he was running for the office of president.
		He said he would never lie to the American people.
		And when he was asked about his written UFO report that he submitted to NICAP in 1973, he said were he elected to be elected president, he would square with the American people on UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but I think that presidents get into office, they get elected, and then somebody sits them down and talks to them about reality.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peter, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		When we come back, we're going to reminisce about two years ago and what happened.
		It was surely non-trivial.
		You'll hear the voices.
		We'll be right back.
		I have one for Peter.
		Peter, are you there?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to read you one.
		All right.
		This just came in.
		Now, over the last several days, we have been having a rather large magnetic storm.
		The sun really is kicking up an easy fit these days.
		And I just got this fax, which says, Art, pilot sees spectacular northern lights display tonight.
		Check this out.
		Art, I'm a commercial airline pilot.
		While en route from Milwaukee, Wisconsin to Minneapolis, Minnesota this evening at about 11.30 p.m., I was treated to a spectacular northern lights display in the northern sky.
		Now, that's not why I'm writing to you, because I've been treated to many shows in the past.
		Main reason I'm writing to you tonight is not what I saw, but what I physically felt.
		I noticed my face had the same feeling as when you lay in the sun getting a suntan on the beach.
		My skin on my face was very, very warm, almost like I had a fever.
		The captain stated that he was experiencing the same conditions as I. Once we descended below the overcast clouds over Minneapolis, our conditions disappeared.
		I have never, in my 15 years of flying, experienced anything like this.
		Signed, Paul, first officer for a major airline in the Midwest.
		Pretty weird, huh?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to make of that.
		It brings to mind an incident that occurred on the 27th of February 1996 in the vicinity of Saginaw, Michigan.
		Twin-engine turboprop had a disc right on its nose.
		It attempted to dive away from it, and the disc went all the way through the overcast with it.
		But I have no way of knowing whether what these gentlemen experienced in any way UFO related, of course.
		But that is a very interesting story.
		Can sun storms, solar storms do that?
		Do you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Peter, I didn't think so.
		Now, I know that there are issues at altitude during geomagnetic storms, but I have never heard of anybody describing those kind of physical effects ever.
		And the captain, you know, I mean, here we have a captain and first officer both saying The same thing.
		So I don't know how to categorize this one, except I sure would like to talk to the fellow.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is truly bizarre.
		We would like very much to get a report from them over our website.
		The online report for them allows a person just in five minutes to capture data like that, send it to us, and we'll post it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They won't jeopardize their job that way, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we don't release names, addresses, or phone numbers, so they can keep it more or less anonymous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As anonymous as it was when I just read it?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Although if somebody wants to find out who they are, of course, they could go to the flight number and the time and so on and so forth and figure it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And so, you know, I absolutely believe pure de what this fellow has said to me, but I wouldn't jeopardize his job.
		I know a good friend of mine is John Lear, and he used to investigate this kind of thing, and it cost him a job with a major airline.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I remember the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		It's a true story.
		So they don't report these things as we all know.
		Listen, two years ago, two years ago, it would have been about this hour, wouldn't it?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It would have, almost to the minute, Art, I think, almost to the minute, is when we were on the air talking about what had just happened in Phoenix.
		In Phoenix, Arizona.
		It's ironic.
		And you know, this past week I've sent out copies of a two-page press release that I prepared and circulated to wire services, to local newspapers here, local television stations, people all across the country, NPR, sent out several dozen of these things, faxed them out, and faxed them out.
		And I have yet to have a single news organization or medium call back to get clarification, to seek more information, to acknowledge receipt.
		You know, I think these people in the press must think we're idiots or something.
		I do not understand why people in the press are not going after this story.
		This is the biggest story that we've had in 2,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And it is going uncovered save for one news outlet in the world, and that is coast to coast and dreamland.
		You know, you did the earliest coverage on the Phoenix lights.
		I think you had it on within an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was happening, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still happening.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		We went on at 11 o'clock that night.
		I think you were starting your broadcast at 11 back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The phones were absolutely going berserk.
		Yeah.
		It was a night I'll never, ever forget.
		And you've got a couple of sound clips from back then, don't you?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we sure do.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We can play a couple more here tonight if you'd like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, that was a wild night for us.
		It was one of those nights where you don't even believe what people are telling you.
		They're telling you that the object stopped over them and they had to hold their arms out in a V about 60 degrees out to touch the right hand and the left hand wingtips of the object that was hovering motionless directly overhead them at an altitude.
		You know, we estimate, you've probably heard this already, Art, we may have discussed this on a program in the past, the object, and we think there were several of them that night two years ago, the object that stopped just south of Camelback Mountain in Phoenix was somewhere between one and three miles in width, one and three miles, and it hovered there for an estimated four to five minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now remember, folks, Phoenix is not your hick little city.
		There are in the Phoenix area roughly two million people or better.
		This is a major U.S. metropolitan area, though it's in the desert.
		It's a gigantic area, but just a major U.S. metropolitan area.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		75 miles wide, 50 miles from north to south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, not Podunk, Nevada, or Wyoming or whatever, but a major U.S. population center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Let me play a little cut here, Art.
		It's just a short piece, about 30, 40 seconds maybe, but it comes from Prescott Valley, I believe is the one I'm going to play here.
		It has a family looking at this object that is going to the west of them and heading south.
		I think the gentleman actually cites the fact that they think it turned.
		But this is what was seen over Prescott Valley as it was coursing south to Phoenix.
		Within probably a minute of this broadcast or of this telephone conversation, the object was approaching Phoenix 30 or 40 miles to the south.
		But let me just play this, and this will give our listeners who are not familiar with the Phoenix lights an idea of what happened two years ago tonight.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Well, I was outside with my wife and my two boys, and we were looking to the almost west at about 8.20.
		And there was like a diamond formation and five red lights.
		Pretty good spread.
		And the very front craft had a white light, like a landing light.
		So I went and got my binoculars to look at them, and they had fired lights, and they were moving very slow.
		And so I thought maybe at first it was helicopters, but then because I see them do the dusting at night in LA and things like that, they're moving as slow as that.
		And they came overhead, they still had their solid red lights on.
		Each one had each, there were five of them, and each one had a solid red light, except for the nose one.
		And didn't make a sound.
		And they came by very slow, and they stayed in perfect formation.
		And they passed us, and they banked to the southeast, almost sideways, and stayed in perfect formation.
		It was amazing.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I think it may have been one object you were looking at.
unidentified		Well, I could see stars.
		You know, half my doctors out and have very powerful binoculars.
		I couldn't make out any shapes, but I saw a star pass through at the formation.
		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		You know, that is approximately, I think Prescott Valley is at least 40 miles north of Phoenix.
		And there are still people to this day, even UFO investigators, who claim that this incident, 40 miles north of Phoenix, was caused by flares that were released at least 62 miles to the southwest of Phoenix.
		In other words, almost 100 miles between this gentleman's physical location and those alleged flares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those would be some flares.
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And in addition, let it be said as well that this sighting took place, this gentleman sighted the time of 8:20 p.m.
		And the flares were not launched until at least an hour and 10 minutes later, perhaps more like an hour and a half later.
		And there are still people who argue passionately, who argue, attempt to argue cogently, although that doesn't work, of course, that the whole thing was caused by flares.
		And it is terribly alarming to me.
		You know, if the government can bury this one, if they can get away with this one, Argentina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They can bury anything.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They can do anything.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And that's the reason that it's imperative that we keep this subject before the American people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember that the city of Phoenix claimed that they had a few calls about it.
		And now, I can tell you right now that I had hundreds and hundreds of calls.
		The phones were going totally crackers.
		And so then I think there was somebody else who reported just a few calls in Phoenix, just totally unreasonable.
		And then we'll play one more.
		I think you've got one more, don't you?
		Yeah, I do.
		And then the strangest thing of all occurred after this massive sighting, there was dead silence.
		I mean, there was nothing in the press.
		There was nothing.
		And three months went by.
		Three months went by.
		And then all of a sudden, on the same day, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, all of them broke this story like it had happened two hours ago.
		Yeah.
		At the same time.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		One slight exception, and it's noteworthy, in the young gal who wrote the only article that appeared, that I'm aware of, that appeared on the 14th of March, the day after, Laura from the Prescott Daily Courier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I'm talking about national news, there was nothing until three months later, and then it came all at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you can only puzzle about why.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Two weeks ago, one of the slides I showed during my presentation at the UFO Congress, and the bulk of my presentation was on the Phoenix case, is my telephone bill that clearly shows my calls to Luke Air Force Base that night, a call or two to Perump, Nevada, and the next day, the 14th of March, calls all over the country to Philadelphia, to Los Angeles, and so on.
		And we couldn't give the data away.
		I think it's probably that people didn't believe it, or I don't know just what goes through the mind of somebody in the press.
		I am developing a theory that these people in the press are sitting too close to their monitors, and the radiation is affecting the neocortex a bit.
		And in the case of news anchors, I think it may be hairspray that is migrating through the cranium into the neocortex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is really going to help you get future things on the air, Peter.
unidentified		I'm sure of that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It's finally beginning to break.
		There's been some very good coverage recently, but it's very sparse, given the importance of this phenomenon.
		Let me play a little cut from Phoenix.
		This is a woman in Phoenix who's describing, bear in mind the gentleman whose voice we just heard described the thing going to the southeast.
		This woman describes it, I think, coming from the northwest, if I recall.
		I'm going on memory now.
		But the two reports link the Prescott and Phoenix, and it gives us almost an unbroken track of this object.
		Let's see what we have here.
		I'm not exactly sure myself, Art, but I think it's about a 30-second cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what we have here.
unidentified		About 10 minutes ago, I saw in the northeastern sky over Phoenix a formation of lights that gave the brilliance and size of stars.
		However, it was in a formation of a triangle.
		There were five lights.
		At the top point of the triangle, there were three lights, one at the tip and then one at either side.
		There were two other lights on the bottom points of what would be a triangle shape.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And it was to the northeast of her.
		She was on the northeast corner of Phoenix looking northeast, and the flares were probably 70 or 80 miles behind her to the southwest.
		And newspapers, people in the press, people in the Air Force are still arguing, still arguing, passionately, Art, that the whole thing was caused by a bunch of flares dumped out by some Air Force A-10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Total hogwash.
		Hundreds and hundreds of calls.
		It was a major sighting above a major U.S. city, and it went dead for three months, and then all of a sudden, boom, there it was.
		So you guys tell us, all right, look, we're going to wrap this up.
		But Peter, I want to do as I've done before.
		And your organization, haha, not Fortune 500, is a very small organization with a computer, a couple phones, a couple of volunteers, and it operates on shoestring budgets.
		Shoestring budgets.
		I was going to say fumes, you know, if you're in an airplane, you operate on fumes.
		So if people want to donate a couple of bucks, a few bucks to you to keep the phones running up there, where do they send it?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll give out the address.
		And let me just say, Art, that people have been very generous.
		It's making a big, big difference knowing that we don't have to dip into our own savings to pay the phone bill up here.
		But let me give the address now.
		It's the National UFO Reporting Center.
		And it's P.O. Box 45623.
		The next line is University Station.
		That's the name of a post office.
		And it's Seattle, Washington, and the zip code is 98145.
		That address again is P.O. Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington, and the zip code is 98145.
		And let me say, if people have reports, Art, we are being absolutely deluged with information up here.
		It's a torrent.
		And if they have sightings they would like to report, particularly if they're past sightings, we invite them, please go to our website.
		There's an online report form.
		They can take five or ten minutes to record a sighting or an unusual event, send it to us.
		We don't have to take all the information over the telephone.
		That's a big help.
		And our website address is one of those very easy to remember ones.
		It's www.ufocenter.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's UFOCenter.com.
		All right.
		And there is a phone number.
		If something is happening breaking news right now, then there is a report it right now number, right?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		There is indeed.
		And our telephone hotline in Seattle is area code 206-722-3000.
		That number, again, is AreaCode 206-722-3000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And again, folks, if you can spare a few bucks, would they make a checkout to the National UFO Reporting Center?
		If they would, please.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Target donation, five or ten bucks is what we prefer, and it's a big help to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, National UFO Reporting Center, P.O. Box 45623.
		That's P.O. Box 45623, University Station in Seattle, Washington.
		Zip code 98145.
		Peter, thank you.
		As always, thank you so much.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It's always a privilege to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eyes to the skies, folks.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Mighty V. This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is that.
		Good morning, everybody.
		All right, I'm going to switch gears radically for a second.
		I'm going to tell you about something that, well, you can digest it for yourself and decide what it all means.
		All right?
		As you know, I've lost a lot of close friends in the last year, year and a half.
		One of them was an ex-FBI agent named John.
		And prior to his untimely death, he had the flu for about three weeks.
		Earlier today, I talked to Daniel Brinkley, who's a friend of mine.
		And he's had the flu now for, I don't know, five or six days, and it just converted itself to pneumonia.
		And about everybody I know has been getting the flu, and it's been quickly converting to pneumonia.
		Maybe it's unusual.
		Maybe it's not.
		I think it is.
		Let me read this to you.
		Hi, Art.
		Everyone I know has this strange cold slash flu combination.
		It's been going around this winter.
		In fact, I have it now again, and this is the fourth time in the last four months that I've contracted it.
		But the reason for this short note is, last night, I went to a movie, and it was surprising to me that before the flick began, there was a public service type message asking people to call the IGOT flu number.
		The message was not a moving commercial announcement, but just an ad.
		Now, whoever is doing this health research is advertising in the movie theaters for feedback.
		And then I just got this media alert from the National Flu Surveillance Network.
		Late peak for flu season poses unique dangers.
		This is from the National Flu Surveillance Network.
		Oklahoma City.
		Experts with the National Flu Surveillance Network are warning the peak of the flu season is striking late this year, posing an unexpected health risk from influenza into March, a time when physicians and patients are lowering their guard against it.
		Peak influenza time is a dangerous time.
		Commonly during peak season, it is easy to assume all flu-like illnesses are flu.
		A clinical diagnosis for flu in the doctor's office without a definitive influenza test can allow a diagnosis of bacterial illness to be missed, which can result in unnecessary deaths.
		Influenza will likely continue this year into April because of the lateness of this particular season.
		So there you have it, and I echo what the person who sent the first facts is saying.
		Just about everybody I know has been stricken, if not once, possibly multiple times.
		Many of them are beginning to turn into pneumonia.
		Then you turn quickly to antibiotics, which are seemingly having much less effect right now.
		So I just thought I'd drop that on you and let you all digest it for whatever it's worth or not worth.
		Revisiting a couple of earlier topics, listen to this one from Joni in Arvada, Colorado.
		Art I have a second-hand child incidence.
		Several years ago, I was given this account by a friend.
		She was driving with her three-year-old niece.
		Her niece suddenly simply said, Auntie, do we have to keep doing this?
		My friend replied, yes, honey, we have to keep driving until we get there.
		Her niece quickly responded, no, no, no.
		I mean dying and being born again and dying and being born again and dying and being born again.
unidentified		I mean dying and being born again and being born again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or this.
		Art, when I was between the ages of three or four, I was in the car with my mother and sister, and we'd just picked up from school.
		I was being my usual rambunctious self when mom asked me to point down.
		For the next couple of minutes, I was still, but then, according to my mother, I said something That came as a total surprise to both of them.
		While looking out the window, I calmly said, I wish I could go back to California to see my two sons.
		My mother and my sister looked at each other.
		Then my sister looked back at me to see if I was just kidding around, which I was and still am apt to do.
		She told me that I was still looking out the window and looking wistful and sad.
		And when she turned to tell my mother that she should probably check on me, that's when I started to bounce around the back seat again.
		When asked about what I had just said, I had no recollection of it.
		But I'll tell you one thing, Art.
		I was born in Iowa and have always longed to move to California.
		I guess it shouldn't be any surprise to me.
		These are really interesting stories to me.
		Do you think it's true that we come back again and again and again?
		The evidence would seem certainly to point that direction, wouldn't it?
		When you hear these stories, how does it make you feel?
		I have a special message from men about male potency and propriety.
		Today, I'm going to be interviewing for Dreamland, this Sunday, Dr. Charles Emmons, author of At the Threshold, UFO Science and the New Age.
		And what this really is all about is actually what Peter was talking about a little while ago.
		The incredible number of obvious sightings that we're having and the government's reaction to them.
		It should be a very, very interesting program.
		And you can catch it on broadcast.com if you're here at 1 o'clock in the afternoon later today.
		Should be a very, very interesting program.
		You can even interact and call, and then, of course, the broadcast itself, commercial broadcast, will be on Sunday.
		Now, next week, I'm not going to do Dreamland.
		Ramona is my wife.
		The show is going to be about the craft, something Ramona knows a bit about, with Dr. Evelyn Paglini, somebody who knows a whole lot about the craft.
		And so my wife, she'll probably cringe, something of a practitioner, will interview Dr. Paglini, a professional practitioner.
		And I'm going to sit here and just listen.
		Do the spots, introduce Linda Howe, and then she will do the body of the show.
		First time ever, I think.
		That'll be the following week, a week from today, actually.
		So there you have it.
		If you're ready, we're going back to Open Lines.
		Anything you want to talk about in Open Lines is fair game.
		Anything at all.
		Here we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		My name is Eric.
		I'm coin from San Luis Bispo, California, KGLW 1340.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		That's the way to do a promo.
		Great show tonight with Peter.
		Something occurred to me.
		If we make the assumption that there are indeed big ships out there that are, you know, quarter mile, three miles big, and that they are of terrestrial origin, where would they store these things?
		Or would they have a permanent camouflage?
		They'd have to show up somewhere on the ground.
		Where would you store a mile-wide craft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, number one, I'm willing to believe that we have achieved perhaps even anti-gravitic technology or back-engineered it.
		You know, the area near where I live.
		But I'm not willing to believe that we have created a craft a mile in size.
		Although one might argue that if you have anti-gravitic technology, a craft a mile wide in size or a mile in size might not be at all difficult.
		But where, as you point out, would you hide something of that size?
		I have no answer for you.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
		To that one, I have absolutely simply no answer.
		I have no idea where you are.
		Under the ocean?
		Maybe on the ocean floor?
		Just a guess off the hip guess.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air, sir.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Gerald.
unidentified		I'm from Sanville, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Gerald.
unidentified		Yeah, or shoot them.
		Or shoot them.
		A man the other day shot his 90 times because it wouldn't ruin it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He emptied three 30-round clips of an AK-47 into it.
		Yes, he did.
		They're in Tennessee.
		And then all the while, some other guy's trying to marry his car.
unidentified		Trying to marry his car.
unidentified		We don't know whether to shoot them or love them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of like women in a lot of ways, I don't know.
unidentified		Art, I missed last week during the UFO special on the Flirting Channel, I believe it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I came in at the end of in Brazil.
unidentified		Three girls were talking about seeing an alien, so they described it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, I am familiar with that sighting.
unidentified		What happened?
unidentified		Can you please tell me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a number of UFO investigators whose names won't come to mind right now who came back and related these interviews to me.
		But yes, oh, yes, they saw not just a craft, but they saw the creatures from the craft, these little girls, and they gave identical accounts, very specific accounts of what they saw, these creatures they saw.
		Now, again, again, sir, how can there be this many extremely credible close encounters without our government being aware of it?
		They are aware of it is the answer, And therefore, it is, as Peter said, the biggest lie ever told.
unidentified		That's true.
unidentified		You know, in this case, you would hope that governments like, say, Brazil would not be like the U.S. government and cover it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, governments, sir, excuse me, tend to be kind of the same.
		They really do, whatever form of government they are, ours, parliamentary, even dictatorships, they all tend to be secretive.
		Secretive is the stuff of which governments are made.
		They are secretive.
		And from that secrecy, they derive their power, or at least a portion of their power.
		That's where their power comes from.
		Even our government.
		There is power in secrecy because you can move black budgets and money that people don't even know about all over the place.
		And that is a lot of power.
		Money is power.
		Secrecy is power.
		So governments tend to be the same no matter their makeup.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Well, hi, Art.
		Hi.
unidentified		I'm afraid I may have this bacteriological flu that's going around here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you had it?
unidentified		Well, I've had it about a week.
		I've known others around here.
		Seems like every third or fourth person has picked this thing up.
		Yes, I'm the only thing I hear that seems to knock it loose is colloidal silver or what they're calling oxygen therapy.
		One thing I wanted to pass out to people, there's an awful lot of talk here lately about Russians possibly preparing for a first strike.
		And I just thought I'd share with people that there has been a warning by a group, Prophecy Club, that says that when there's internal fighting here, sort of an internal revolution, like when Ed Names indicated they may be coming for our guns, that that's the time that they're going to take advantage of and do the first strike.
		So if people want to check that out, they are on the web by that name.
		So I think it'd be a good idea since things are getting kind of weird.
		You do know about the military down in Andrews and pre-positioning in the 10 FEMA regions.
		And here in the Bloomington, Indiana area, we're getting FEMA public service ads like you just wouldn't believe.
		National Guard ads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of what sort?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is FEMA adverts?
unidentified		What kind of ads?
		Well, they're feeling good, self-promotional ads.
		They're talking about tornadoes, having a few days' worth of food, basically trying to make themselves look good.
		There is a publication called The Spotlight that in 1992 produced a paper called FEMA versus Your Constitutional Rights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but they're kind of a right-wing nut type publication.
unidentified		Well, I happen to think that they've been telling the truth a lot more than the left-wing nuts out there, like Communist News Network and the others.
		They do show the executive orders in that publication, which are on the government's federal register, right in the WhiteHouse.gov website, and they've been incrementally moving toward FEMA as the secret government for quite some time now.
		Who's been telling us the truth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I honestly believe that both are equal misrepresentations.
		Both.
		In other words, I have never given what I read in the spotlight much credence.
		Now, that doesn't mean that occasionally the spotlight doesn't get something right.
		But then your obvious bias was shown when you call it the communist news network.
		It's CNN.
		And I don't think of CNN as a communist news network.
		I think of CNN, for the most part, as one of the better news outlets in the country.
		Maybe not as good as I considered them to be at the beginning when they first began broadcasting, but still really excellent.
		So I don't think CNN is communist, and I don't think that the spotlight is particularly a publication that I would gravitate to.
		I don't think either one of those things is true, personally.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Marty out here in Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another Tennessee, two Tennessee calls in a row.
		Hey, Marty.
		Turn your radio off, please.
		Yeah, okay, it is, all.
		All right.
unidentified		Well, I was wanting to ask you, is them Majestic 12 files?
		Yes.
		There's a one upside down on that one and a backwards beat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a what now?
unidentified		The date on the November the 12th?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The one is upside down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And that's got a backwards beat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which means to you what?
unidentified		Is that document been messed with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now, how would I know?
unidentified		Okay, and one other thing I wanted to ask you is on the date where it was addressed to Kennedy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And Kenny, that's awful.
		That's awful close to his assassination date.
		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I imagine there were a lot of things addressed to the president close to his assassination date.
unidentified		Well, yeah, well, you know, I just want to, I'm a skeptic like you.
unidentified		I kind of pretty much read stuff several times before I believe what I see or read.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good for you.
unidentified		But I just thought, you know, I might be able to answer some of that, but I figured that was pretty far-fetched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir, and I'll check out what you just mentioned with respect to the documents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		This is Tim in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Tim.
unidentified		And there's a couple things I'd like to say.
		You have some excellent guests, and you have an excellent show.
		Okay, there's some things that I'd like to let our audiences know.
		Okay.
		For one thing, the reason that we have physical life is to grow our spirits.
		And it's interesting that there's not one person on the planet that's going to take one cent with them when they die.
		And it just blows my mind that people are so focused on that inwardness when there's the other end of the spectrum of the outwardness.
		considering you look in the Egyptian pyramids of the drawings showing the thousands of people with stars above their head, those are people that emit their energies.
		You know, they're focusing their lives in the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fed up with the whole thing, and I think that we should work on being able to take some of it With us when we go?
unidentified		Well, take our spirit with us, absolutely.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about C Ds, investments of various sorts, money, memories.
		Yes, I want to be able to take cars, cars, women.
		There are a number of things that I, Rather Future, I want to take with me, and I'm fed up with being told that I can't do it.
unidentified		Well, I mean, there really isn't anyone that's going to take physical things with them.
unidentified		I mean, we're only going to take spiritual things with us, our learning experiences, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's such a limited view you're taking there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I want my car with me when I go.
unidentified		Well, of course, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so there's got to be a way that this can be worked out.
		Listen, I've got to run.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I appreciate your call.
		I mean, everybody's always saying that, can't take it with you, can't take it with you, can't take it with you.
		Well, I'm set up on that, and I want to take some of it, at least, with me.
		There's going to be a way to do that.
		Maybe one CD and my car.
		I really want my car.
		Oh, yeah, my wife, too.
unidentified		You will find me.
		800-825-5033, west of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, at 1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach Art at Area Code 702-727-1222.
		And you may fax ART at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Top of the morning, everybody.
		That was then.
		Where all we had to worry about was our car and maybe the gal.
		And today we have a lot more.
		We're coming up on Y2K rather quickly now, aren't we?
		And even conservative organizations are recommending that you store some food.
		At the very least, that you have food for, they say, a few days.
		I think they're being rather optimistic, but we'll see.
		If you want quality stored food, real stored food, stored food that will have a shelf life of about a decade, be ready for you anytime during that decade, and remember with stored food, if nothing happens, cool.
		Eat your investment, you know, because it's actually good.
		I would like to recommend the J. Michael Stevens group, and they have been in the stored business a lot longer than Y2K has been looming publicly.
		They're in Salt Lake City.
		That should tell you something about them.
		They use containers that don't leak.
		Of that, you can be sure.
		They use food that is not foreign sourced and possibly contaminated.
		They are an extremely reputable company that cares about people.
		They really care about people.
		Do you follow me?
		That's an honest evaluation of this company.
		If you call them, they will send you free information and you can sit there and ponder what you wish to do.
		But it's something you ought to be.
		Oh, and one more thing about them.
		They presently have no waiting lists.
		Now, that may change.
		Most companies have about six months out now waiting list.
		They don't because they've been gearing up for this for a long time.
		The number to call, if you want information, is 1-800-377-0700.
		You can call it right now, and you should.
		Shouldn't you?
		1-800-377-0700.
		Tomorrow night, Ed Dames is going to be here.
		You're definitely not going to want to miss that one.
		He is going to give us the results of his viewing of the Devil's Workshop.
		What do you think he means by the Devil's Workshop?
		This week is people's 25th anniversary issue.
unidentified		Catch the star-studded tribute with hundreds of photos and memories of all your favorite celebrities and heroes.
		Relive the rise of Hollywood's greatest legends from Carson to Cruz.
		Remember Diana, Audrey, and all the people we've loved and lost.
		Be inspired by Christopher Reeves, dazzled by Liz, and moved by Oprah.
		From the famous to the infamous, the last 25 years, as only people can bring you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't miss a special anniversary issue.
		People on sale now everywhere.
		Mike writes, rather, he's in Armagosa Valley here in Nevada, and that's just very close by.
		And he writes something that's pretty sobering.
		Dear Art, two weeks ago, PBS Las Vegas Channel 10 aired an episode of The American Experience about the influenza epidemic of 1918.
		400 to 600,000 dead.
		In October of 1918, 195,000 people died in America from influenza.
		On the show, they said the reason we don't see this in the history books is because it was so horrible that we virtually have more or less erased it from our national memory.
		This flu struck men in their prime, 25 to 35 years of age, more than any other group.
		A few facts you might not know about it.
		Of course, this flu struck everybody at every age.
		In the beginning, the government denied the problem.
		There was such a shortage of caskets that caskets became very valuable.
		Caskets had to be guarded in order to prevent theft.
		More people died of this epidemic than all of the wars in America combined.
		I never heard of any of this until the program aired.
		We really have erased this from our history.
		Can you imagine 195,000 people dying in one month?
		People wore masks that were clothed for a virus.
		They said that was like trying to stop dust with chicken wire.
		The masks did nothing.
		They showed, in fact, photographs of baseball teams playing baseball with the masks on.
		All of that happened.
		Western the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		I'm calling from Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Idaho.
unidentified		This is Lafayette.
unidentified		And I'm calling about yesterday's show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Something that struck me was that he said that the conscious mind had no past memory.
unidentified		And my thing was that if it had no memory, how could they recall this through hypnosis?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the no conscious recollection, sir.
		No conscious?
		The recollection comes only through the unconscious.
		He was very clear about that.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Another thing you said that was you had never controlled your dreams?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he said...
unidentified		Well, I know how to.
		How?
		It's a process of conditioning your mind through about a two or three week process.
		And what you do is you have a normal watch that chimes every half hour to an hour.
		And when this happens, you simply look at your hand and you count just your fingers and then you look away and then you count them again.
		And you condition yourself by doing this.
		And when you're dreaming, if you count your fingers, when you count them again, a different number of fingers will appear.
		Because in dreams, nothing appears the same twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty cool.
unidentified		Yeah, I've...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want you to work on...
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to be able to take some of what I have with me when I go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So would you see what you can do in that arena?
unidentified		What are you trying to ask me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know how they always say you can't take it with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to take it with me.
unidentified		So how would you do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's my question to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've done things I haven't, so help me out here.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A car, maybe some radio equipment, CD, bank account, women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know.
unidentified		Yeah, well, why don't you go ahead and try the process of this and see how it works out for you.
unidentified		It takes a little while, and it's, you know, it takes a little practice of it, but I've gotten it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're referring to the dreams, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give it a shot.
		I'm willing to try anything once, some things twice.
		Yeah.
		I think we need to start an entire new movement here.
		Now, I know this is not going to be considered particularly spiritual by some out there.
		But I'm tired of people telling me I can't take it with me.
		Now, think how that would change things if you could take things with you.
		It would change everything, wouldn't it?
		Our outlook on everything, if you could just take a few things with you, or even substantial numbers of things.
		Hell with inheritance.
		Take it with you.
		International Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening to you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trucking along in Canada somewhere.
unidentified		You got it.
		It's Jeff here again.
		Yes, sir.
		Just two things tonight.
		Just thinking of the anniversary of the Phoenix lights.
		One to say hi, Fritz.
		And you know what you're talking about, you know, being able to take it with you when you go?
		Yes.
		I think that's the person's perception of heaven.
		My perfect heaven is it's all going to be there when I get there.
		I don't have to take it with me because it'll be waiting for me when I get there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, the way it works now, in the meantime, your widow's going to be flying around in a new little sporty car.
unidentified		She can have her new little sporty car because when I get up to heaven, it's going to be three women, sports car, football.
		And I mean, the fridge is going to be full of what I want.
		Yeah, I hear it.
		She's going to be there waiting for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Women to bring you beer, right?
unidentified		You got it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call, sir.
		Our little car, huh?
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on here.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going.
unidentified		Anyway, I was just wondering.
		I actually wish I could have talked to your guest, but I never got the chance.
		You never had the open lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Peter?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Peter, I guess you could do open lines, but it's not exactly a subject that necessarily lends itself to open lines because he's kind of reporting.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to see if they actually had done an autopsy on the elk that they had found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Answer, no.
		They didn't.
		But can you imagine an elk on the forest floor for nine days without being touched by predators?
		No way.
unidentified		Actually, I used to work at a slaughterhouse, so I know exactly what it would be like.
		We've had some pretty nasty stuff go through there.
		Anyway, another thing is, potential theory, what if they were supposedly abducting our animals to try and somehow create an alternative food source for themselves on their own planet?
		I mean, what happens if their source of food doesn't grow as quick as ours?
		Because, I mean, within a year to two years, you have a full-grown animal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I like Peter's idea of some sort of E.T. barbecue going on on the far side of the moon.
unidentified		Yeah, hey, there you go.
		Another thing, I've seen something in the sky tonight.
		Now, I'm not saying alien or nothing, but what I've seen looked like a meteor.
		And I was watching it, and it lasted about two seconds.
		But just at the end, before it disappeared, it let out a bright flash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that happens.
		That does happen.
		Yeah, it does happen, sir.
		In other words, when it finally encounters the thicker part of the atmosphere, there is virtually a detonation that does occur.
		So, a meteor, I've seen meteors do that myself.
		Personally, I like the fireballs.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is coming from Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, off with the radio.
unidentified		Yeah, it's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		And I was calling in regards to what you said about the beginning of the show with the children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My mother in New York has a little spiritual gift shop, and she knows an awful lot about that subject.
		And she says, like when children are young, especially in infants and babies up to like three to four, they kind of remember like their past life.
		And as they get older and they start to develop their motor skills, they kind of forget.
		So after a certain age, they just, you know, since we don't teach them to remember, they kind of forget about it.
		So if you were looking for somebody to talk to, you could probably be able to talk to my mother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what.
		As the Hawaiians would say, every time I hear about one of these, it gives me chicken skin.
		It really does.
		I mean, this one does freak me out a little bit.
		First of all, there's something about a child who barely has learned to talk, talking about being an adult in a past life that just really freaks me out.
unidentified		Yeah, but I really believe that we do live in different lives, and we keep living it until we have perfected it or we have mastered what we're supposed to accomplish or whatever.
		But as we get older, from a young kid, we tend to forget those things that are in our past lives.
		And I've done a past life regression with my mother before, and I really believe into it because I saw myself as a different person.
		And then other people that are in with our lives are in with our lives here, as in this year, our lives now.
		They were connected with us before in the past life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be.
unidentified		Yeah, because me and my mother believe that we've been with each other for many lifetimes.
		She's got a lot of, we were just talking about this the other day.
		She believes that she had me as a child before, and she was afraid that I was going to die.
		And she had that fear for me this time around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you didn't die.
unidentified		No, I didn't.
		And she had a past life regression done, and the child that she had before was me and died at, I think it was like eight years old or, you know, somewhere around there.
		But after I was eight, she, you know, lost the fear of it.
		So and then finally a couple weeks ago, she had that done and she put, you know, put it together that it was me before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at least there's some, I appreciate it, so there's some progression.
		In other words, this time you didn't die, if what you're saying is true.
		I'm going to focus on this, taking it with you for a while.
		How do you suppose the world...
		all your stuff just disappeared.
		You know, when you drew your last breath and your eyes glazed over and pupils dilated, and you, as Rush would say, assumed room temperature, if your stuff were to disappear at the same time, that really would change the world, wouldn't it?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Artville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Zaney from Dallas.
		Dallas, Texas.
		That assassin story last night.
		I'm sorry.
		I really got the impression of a redhead with that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which story?
unidentified		The assassin, the woman, assassin with the FBI.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A redhead, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I think, I think, because they're pretty hot-headed.
		I think redhead had to have been the color of her hair.
		How is Richard doing tonight?
		I haven't heard anything yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I did report at the beginning of the program he is doing much better.
		He is now sitting up.
		As a matter of fact, we've got a photograph of Richard with a fluorescent finger tilted at about 19.5 degrees with all kinds of tubes attached to it in the hospital.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you go to my website, you will see a photograph of Richard C., post-operative, looking a little worse for the wear, to be sure, not quite in the dapper category.
		You know, I mean, that you open up your chest and stuff, and you're not that too dapper a day or so later.
		And let me tell you a little story at the expense of Keith Rowland, my webmaster.
		Some of you who may have gone to my website earlier tonight saw something that I think should be returned to the website.
		A gentleman, a very kind gentleman, I'd have to get on my site to recall his name, Keith could tell me, was at the hospital and took some photographs of Richard and scanned them and got them in so that we could have them tonight.
		They are on there now, or at least one is.
		Now, the first photograph, he did a little enhancement of, and as a natural artifact of the enhancement, there was a halo over Richard's head.
		I say again, a natural artifact of the enhancement.
		Now, I got a lot of email about it saying, oh my God, there's a halo on Richard's head.
		And so Keith mentioned it to me, and I said, come on, Keith, put it back.
unidentified		Let's see it.
unidentified		He said, well, I don't have it anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said, I don't want to answer all the questions.
		So, Keith claims he doesn't have the photo any longer, but it was up earlier tonight for a short while.
		And I guess it really looked like Richard had a halo.
		Come on, put it back.
		He said, no.
		So he's not going to put it back, I guess.
unidentified		laughter
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like myself to have seen that.
		As well as I know Richard, a halo is rather unlikely.
		I mean, I could think of a lot of things, but a halo.
		But then you never know.
		With so many people sending him so much energy, you just never know.
		So I really would like to see the photograph, but I guess there's going to be no chance.
		Keith has his feet in concrete on this one.
		He said, I'd have to answer all the email.
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, it's in Ontario, and I listen to you on WPHT.
		In Philadelphia.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're where?
unidentified		In Ontario, in Muskoka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way up in Ontario.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a station there in Ontario you could listen to.
		Has that occurred to you?
		Well, I'm glad for WPHT, but boy, that's a long haul.
unidentified		They only play your show for one hour.
		One hour.
		2 a.m. to 3 a.m.
		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that about that Ontario station that they picked us up, but they only play it for an hour right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And everybody in Ontario should call them and tell them to carry more than that.
unidentified		Well, I've done that.
		I've got two things to tell you about.
		One was a story my mother-in-law told me, and it was about her daughter when she had just learned to talk.
		And she told her that when she was in heaven, they had to run a race.
		And she came in second, so she had to be born second.
		And there were four of them in the race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a race?
unidentified		A race in heaven.
		When they were waiting to be born.
		Wow.
		And I never forgot that story.
		And of course, my mother-in-law had four children, and this daughter was number two.
		And it just really startled me and made me think for a long time that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you this.
		It all gives me chicken skin.
		Every time I hear one of these stories, as the Hawaiians would say, chicken skin.
		Seems like a good time for this.
unidentified		I was a highwayman.
		Along the coast roads I did ride.
		With sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her marbles to my trade.
		Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
		Listen to the words, folks.
		The masters hung me in the spring I pointed by.
		But I am still alive.
		I was a sailor.
		I was born upon the tide.
		With the sea I did a fire.
		I still just corner around the horn of Mexico.
		I went along to the world with names of little clothes.
		And when the ice broke off, they stripped it, I got killed.
		But I'm living still.
		I was a damn build across the river deep and wide.
		Where steel and water disalized.
		A place called Boulder Rome, the wild rise.
		I slipped and fell to the west of London.
		They married me in my stranger.
		But no snow sighs.
		But I still rise.
		I'll always be around and run.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My newsletter is called After Dark, and every month it's chock full of interviews, current news, analysis, photographs, illustrating, and expanding on many of the things you hear me talk about on both my shows, Coast to Coast and Dreamland.
		And in each issue, I put some of my more poignant thoughts on paper for your perusal.
		By the way, After Dark is not one of these little photocopy deals.
		You know, three or four sheets of white paper and a staple in the upper left-hand corner.
		No, no, no.
		This is a full-blown magazine format on slick paper with lots of color throughout.
		If you like my radio program, I know you're going to love After Dark.
		To order, call toll-free, 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		After Dark, it's the definitive chronicle of nighttime radio.
unidentified		Fabulous.
unidentified		Tracy, why are we having a fashion show in the middle of the office today?

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