Art Bell and Kevin Ryerson examine Richard Hoagland's health crisis alongside global ecological alarms, including a massive Antarctic ice shelf collapse and accelerating asteroid discoveries. They explore intuition as "direct knowing," citing Dr. William Kautz's AIDS predictions, while discussing the Sphinx's alignment with Leo and the Age of Aquarius. The dialogue connects solar maximum instability to dinosaur extinction theories, Edgar Casey's prophecies on Christ consciousness, and Graham Hancock's 2,160-year Genesis cycles, ultimately framing planetary shifts as a spiritual test for humanity's survival against environmental collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
And I'll try and get you details as they become available.
The latest, he is going to be in surgery in the morning.
He's in a heart center in Miami.
I'm getting, obviously, a lot of communication.
For example, Art, Philip J. Corso, Stephen Schiff, Speaking Win, John Holliman, even Stephen Greer, who has cancer.
Not to forget his assistant, by the way, who has now passed on because of cancer.
Ms. Adamack.
And now Richard Hoagland.
A lot of people are die or get sick in a year's time.
But not so many people with the same cause.
Mathematics will tell you it couldn't be a coincidence.
I'll pray for Richard.
And in a strange way, maybe all of Richard's research is being confirmed to him at this very moment on something of a different plane than we can understand.
I hate to say it, Bart, but the evidence is building.
And a lot of areas tells me my logical mind, that is, that the war is on, and we have no idea what it's all about and where it's coming from.
Or this one, Hiart.
What happened to Richard today brings up the question in my mind and perhaps others out there that who will follow in your footsteps if something happens to you?
I can almost hear what you are thinking.
Right, you can.
That's Leo in New Jersey.
But you know what?
At the end of the day, it is my view that life is short anyway.
And who wants to go out in a wimpy style, right?
So whatever needs to be said is going to get said here.
So I'm very sorry to bring you that sort of news.
Somebody else, Joan in Seattle, writes, wasn't it Gordon Michael Scallion or was it Stan Dale who said that those with pacemakers and or heart problems should take care on Friday, March 5th due to the kind of electromagnetic energy that would be flying around.
Yeah, I recall that.
Somebody else asks, where can we send a card to Richard?
At this point, I'm not going to give you anywhere to send anything.
And I certainly don't want any facilities in Miami bothered with thousands of people, well-wishers.
And I understand that you would like to send something.
So as soon as I'm able to get information on where you can send it, I'll give you an address.
And in the meantime, what you can do is pray for Richard Hoagland.
As you know, I am perhaps a little sketchy on the source of the power.
But I have no doubt at all that mass mental concentration, prayer, if you will, does have an effect.
The best we can do is try.
So if you have an extra moment in your busy schedule, Richard could sure use your good thoughts, your white light, your prayer.
Or whatever it is you believe, if you send some good thoughts to Miami, it certainly won't hurt.
So there you have it.
Coming up in a moment, we're going to change gears because we have no further information at this moment to give you about Richard.
Other than again to say that those who have been attacking him recently have played a part in this, in my opinion.
And those attacks have not been on his work, have not been on his science, but they have been of a vitriolic, a personal, tear him apart kind of nature that smacks of an absolute agenda.
And I think that those who have been doing it and those who have been giving either airtime to it or web space to it really should be ashamed of themselves.
Attack the science, if you will, not the man.
And those attacks no doubt have weighed heavily on him and had some effect on all of this.
So there you have it.
Any updates?
And I'll get them to you immediately coming up in a moment.
Kevin Ryerson.
Ah, commercial interruptus.
But you noticed now it's to the point where I'll begin to make a comment and I'll look up and I'll notice that I still have one commercial to go and shut my mouth just barely in time.
So maybe that's an improvement.
I don't know.
Kevin Ryerson.
Kevin Ryerson is an acclaimed author, award-winning consultant, expert intuitive, and a trance channel in the tradition of Edgar Casey and Jane Roberts.
He's been lecturing and teaching in the field of parapsychology and spirituality for 27 years.
He's been a guest on national TV shows, including Oprah, Good Morning America, author of the landmark book, Spirit Communication: The Soul's Path.
Shirley McLean's best-selling books, Out on a Limb, Dancing in the Light, and It's All in the Playing highlighted Kevin's intuitive abilities.
You'll recall he's a good friend of Shirley's.
He was both a consultant and talent in the ABC TV miniseries Out on a Limb.
His abilities are also featured in the 10th Insight, Holding the Vision, Experiential Guide by James Redfield and Carol Adrian.
The Channeling Zone by Michael Brown, Your Sixth Sense by Bel Ruth, Knapperstack, I believe it is, and Time Life's Mysteries of the Unknown.
I'm sure I slaughtered a couple of names there.
Kevin is well known and respected for his balanced and integrated worldview.
He maintains a consulting practice in San Rafael, California.
And I think right now he's off in what was Richard Hoagland territory, New Mexico.
Because the word intuitive means, according to Webster, direct knowing.
It means direct knowing that bypasses the conscious, rational, critical process.
And when people come to intuitive, they've almost exhausted all of the logical or rational means to approach their problem solving.
So when they work with an intuitive, we're by no means the method of last result, but it's a proven method used in everything from science to everyday decision making in order to make breakthroughs into the human condition.
To the point where I myself have worked with persons such as Dr. Jeffrey Mishlov, who you had on the program, I believe, a little while back, discussing the Ted Ellens phenomenon.
I've also worked with Dr. William Kautz, who was a senior staff research scientist at SRI, one of our largest think tanks.
And he had put together the method that was referred to as intuitive consensus.
And he would actually work with ongoing research at SRI in areas such as earthquake triggering mechanisms, areas such as exploring at the time what AIDS was.
We were able to develop before science had been able to confirm it experimentally that AIDS indeed was a retrovirus, that it was the protein coding that altered and not its interior DNA, as well as even a methodology for treatment that is now standard in the field in a form of a trifold antiviral approach because of the nature of the ability of the AIDS virus to adapt.
So intuition and the intuitive consensus can be applied in a very, very practical manner for generating knowledge or generating information that is then in turn verifiable by the more standard means of science.
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And then my second question, very quickly, I have a very good friend, Margaret, and I've known her a little almost a year.
Yes.
And our relationship has grown very strong, and it's very funny because it doesn't scare me.
I find it very interesting.
What doesn't scare you?
A lot of times our thoughts are the same.
We'll be watching something or listening to something, and we will blurt out the same exact words at the same moment.
It's called synchronicity or perhaps something else.
Who knows?
We'll try and address that if we can.
Synchronicity is in itself a fascinating topic.
Kevin Ryerson is my guest.
You might get a pencil and paper because I'm going to give him a chance to promo anything he wants when we get back after the break.
He's been such a good soldier.
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I'm Mark Bell.
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It's going really berserk now.
Kevin, you've been such a good soldier tonight.
Do you have a?
Do you have a book or an email address or a contact piece of information that you would like to give out or promote?
They can reach me at my website, which you graciously had put on your own there.
Of course we have a link yes, and it's Www.kevanrierson.com.
We update that all the time.
People could write me, if they like, at Ryerson, at excite.com, and we constantly update programs, and if people wanted to, they could reach us personally and get a voice at the other end of the line, at 415-356, women, 415 I'm getting a lot in a short time here one 415 415 356 right 9887 9887,
and we could then update people on various programs that we're doing.
I like the term think globally, shop locally is a program that I'm doing with the organization of which I'm on the board of directors of.
It's called the Intuition Network.
Dr. Jeffrey Mishlov, who you had on the program, is the president of that, and we are taking a group of people to Egypt in September and that's with Power Places Tours and that would be one of our global events and people will have that opportunity to experience private time inside the Great Pyramid, in the very sarcophagus that we were speaking of before, and they can explore what their own sensations would be.
I'm personally taking a group to Scotland in the summer months and we will be basing out of the Finhorn community which to me is exciting because I look at it because it's famous for its gardens with its flowers that grew in winter.
But I like to think of it as a community that its architecture was built by angels.
And we're going to be going to megalithic sites very comparable to Stonehenge.
As to the shop locally, I encourage people to really look for the resources in their own community.
In my work with Shirley, one of the things that Shirley was most excited about of with now has become sort of like a new age icon was the Bodhi tree in Los Angeles, which has now become a major resource community.
And I encourage people to just look for what Buckminster Fuller called those trim tab in their own community.
The trim tab is that little rudder that turned around the rudder that can bring around the whole ship of state.
Just in Santa Rosa, California, I just made an appearance at a wonderful little store.
It was called the Open Heart.
And the people there, for instance, are very, very dedicated to a lot of the principles that we're talking about in turning around, you know, some of the types of events that we're talking about and trying to get people in touch with their inner resources.
And okay, I guess my question, I'll try to make it, I'll sum up the story quick, and it's a question for your guests.
But in the Old Testament, there's a story where Abraham cut some cattle and some different animals.
He cut them in half, and then he went to sleep, and a darkness came over him.
He was really afraid.
But then a smoking pot flew through the pieces to sort of sum it up.
And I always sort of thought that maybe if there's a connection between cattle mutilations and maybe UFOs, where the smoking pot that flew through the pieces that Abraham cut up was maybe what he thought was God, and maybe the cattle mutilations today are a sign of some sort, similar to what he did.
And I wonder if your guest has ever thought anything about that or if he's ever heard that.
Well, I think it's a fascinating interpretation, and certainly there's no lack of arguments, some of them quite well made, that events, you know, seen in the Bible could be easily interpreted as close encounters of the multiple kind.
In particular, the most impressive to me is, of course, Ezekiel's wheel, which when studied for its aerodynamics and its interpretations, makes a rather remarkable argument for such contacts being made by ancestors.
I look at what we call the cattle mutilations.
If you look at them, it's almost more like surgical explorations on the part of whomever may be doing it in the form of extraterrestrials.
We have become so dependent, for instance, on this as a main food staple, I could almost see them as sort of taking samples of it throughout all the ages to sort of see what it is that we're doing to ourselves in the form of a major source of nutrition.
The procession of the equinoxes seems to suggest that indeed there's a correlation between human behavior and advancements in civilizations.
And the Sphinx, theoretically, according to the esoteric history, would have been built about 2,000 years or so just before Atlantis was finally submerged, according to the Casey readings.
And I think that we are approaching what is called the age of Aquarius.
And rather than the Piscean age, where these things are more an issue of faith, it's the idea that all these types of sciences that we are now discovering and being advanced by people, for instance, such as Richard Hoagland,
is that it is now time for us to know these things, that we need to look at these things as psychic sciences that we can practice openly in the society, rather than these things being regulated or held back by mystery schools or like there's some types of psychic industrial secrets.
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Oh, like the age of Aquarius would mean that like the secrets, like Pisces is sort of secretive, and then hidden, and then Aquarius, everything opens up, so we'll be opened up to this sort of Atlantean knowledge.
I would say that's correct, and I would say that we're pretty much right on schedule, and all we have to do is make certain that we don't go through the same types of errors in allowing our dependence on technology to outstrip our psychic sciences and or our spirituality.
I have to admit, I didn't hear much of the show, but I did hear the notions that our actions and our spirituality and our lack thereof affect the way the world reacts and the world, the earth, and of course the surrounding ecosystem reacts to our actions whatso in those manners.
Yes, sir.
And I really don't think that that can really be held forth.
And for a couple of reasons.
One is simply the age of this rock.
Too many upheavals, too much history in the earth before there was a spiritual being anywhere near it.
If I can interject, the idea that there's natural forces in nature independent of consciousness, I would suggest what you need to do is to examine such things, for instance, say, such as the Hindu mythologies, where they taught that Brahma sleeps and Brahma awakens, which was approximately a 14 billion year cycle.
And that is part of the Hindu creation mythology.
And you can't really get caught up in the poetry, for instance, of the 6,000-year epic described in the Judeo-Christian Bible.
And so really what you're looking at is not incarnate consciousness, but you're looking at the idea of infinite consciousness in the form of the creative force at work here.
And even Carl Sagan was fascinated with the Hindu creation myth, which he said that if there was a deity at work or a consciousness at work, those indeed would describe it most accurately because it does match what we know about the physical age of the universe.
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Right, right.
And one other thing, and this is something that I'm certainly not placing on you personally or individually, because I believe in conservation and do quite a bit to try to try to keep the world in the pristine state,
or as pristine a state as I possibly can, but I believe there's a lot of, I guess I would have to call it on the left wing of this type of thing on the opposite side of the right-wing religious groups who are saying that,
you know, trying to pull down the ecological movement, is that I think it may be a little on the arrogant side to presume that we can really affect the earth in any real in really in any real significant way.
I think your points are very legitimately taken, and believe me, I accept the arguments that you make.
in particular about the need of humankind to show a little humility in relationship to the age of the planet, in the sense, you know, that we have been here maybe consciously, even by esoteric history, say, about a million years, which is just a drop in the bucket.
And I think that humanity needs to show some humility in relationship to the awesome responsibility of being here on the planet.
The Holy Spirit in me bows to the Holy Spirit in thee.
I wish, just as a precept here, at the 20-year level of my engineering career, I went out and lived in seclusion in the desert for seven years.
In between, I did go to India and spend two turns of five months deep, deep into the Himalayas at the 19 to 22,000 foot level with the Lumen Masters up around Simla.
And additionally, I have been around the world many times.
I spent nine years in the Air Force flying.
I've been around the world many times.
And so some of these other tours during that seven-year period where I spent with deep spiritual mystical teachers in all of major world religions gave me even deeper insights to many things.
Okay, I think, you know, with your understanding of the Hindu tradition, every 12 years they have this spiritual festival that is never advertised and held in the Himalayan city of Hardwar.
This is the period of time that the great masters come out of caves, forests, and wherever they may be and then assemble into Hardwar and to share the teachings and so on with the populace.
I'm glad it was at least something decent because I was afraid for a second, Kevin, that you were going to suggest you'd never had that honor, and it might turn out to be a situation where you get placed in a pot and cooked by some locals somewhere.
Listen, we are absolutely out of time, Kevin.
It has been such a pleasure having you on the air.
I want to have you back.
I also would love, dearly love to get Shirley McLane on the air.
She's currently working on a film, and she's a little busy right now, but as I said, she still holds very, very keen interest in these types of issues we've discussed here this evening.
Well, perhaps when she's done with her film, I usually have to catch authors between books and film stars between films.
That's just the way it goes.
And I understand how it is when you're doing a film, you're busy virtually from dawn until far after dusk, and it's hard work.
Kevin, what a pleasure it has been to have you on.
One more time, folks, if you'd like to email Kevin Ryerson, it's simply Ryerson, R-Y-E-R-S-O-N, at excite.com, and you can bet we'll have you back again.
Going back to Nostradamus or Edgar Casey or Jane Roberts or yourself or Gordon Michael Scallion or Daniel Brinkley or other intuitives, is there any common thread that one might explore that you see between all of these intuitives?
Is there any common thing that seems to be true of most intuitives?
Well, I would suggest that the common denominators with intuitives are, for instance, Michael Brown as a social scientist, examined the whole phenomena of channeling in his book called The Channeling Zone.
And what he noticed as the common threads were that one, all the intuitives, even though they came from diverse cultural backgrounds, different varying levels of education, all seem to present a continuity of a very similar worldview, if you will, sort of a common direction that humanity is taking.
And above all, though, even though the intuitives may have had very broad demographic background, they all seem to have a very intense desire to sort of improve the human condition through the use of their gifts, in particular when their gifts were at their peak ability.
Daniel Brinkley is an interesting case because I know Dan personally.
I should tell you, you talk about channeling, and perhaps we ought to have a little conversation about that.
I have always, Kevin, been shy of channelers, and the reason that I've been shy of them is that not that I think all channeling is bunk, which is what some people conclude from my comments, but I've always felt that it simply allows too much room for fraud.
It seems like anybody, I could apparently sink into a trance right now and become borg from the 17th century with important information for modern-day Earth.
And so I've always been just cautious about channeling because of that very reason, simply too much room for fraudulent activity.
But on the other hand, I don't reject channeling totally either.
Well, yeah, you know, I don't even feel I have to lack defensive.
Some of the arguments are perfectly legitimate.
And that's why I would point out, for instance, that Dr. Kautz had developed what he called the intuitive consensus method, where he might confer with yours truly and a number of other very gifted people.
And he felt that where we had consensus with our intuitive insights, no matter what the vehicle, whether it was channeling or conscious clairvoyance or even novel uses of phenomena such as remote viewing, or, quite frankly, even after projection.
Whereby he felt that where we were in consensus was where the high level of the information was.
Now, there's other elements that go into it.
For instance, Edgar Casey is probably the best documented psyche of the 20th century.
And just the sincerity of his personality and the longevity of his particular career, of course, brings sort of an impeccability to him.
And in many ways, he's like the litmus test for many intuitives.
Other intuitives do do work where they try to, for instance, they document the historical backgrounds of the entities that speak through, which then have implication for revival in the afterlife, et cetera, et cetera.
But I think that like any good consumerism, it's those intuitives who try to, if you will, create a community of individuals and then associate themselves with some of the more credible folks in the field, whether it's Dr. Koutz or the ARE.
Those are the people who I think you can more or less rely upon who have put themselves past the litmus test involving the issue of whether it's real or whether it's memorex.
When we look at futurists, in some cases, Casey did that kind of work, or we look at the Gordon Michael Scallion types or yourself.
I too, I interview this wide range of people from Ed Dames in remote viewing and many, I guess, just about every other remote viewer, short of Ingo Swan, I need to get Ingo on.
I've talked to everybody else, or whether I'm talking to Gordon or I'm talking to Danion or I'm talking to so many others.
Laurie Toy is yet another.
I could go on and on.
I too find a commonality in what they believe.
Some of them present the information in hard, scary form.
Some are a little new agey and they suggest that, well, yes, there are some big earth changes that are pending and are upon us soon, but that it will be an uplifting spiritual experience for humanity.
And they sort of ignore the fact that several millions, if not billions, will not be uplifted at all.
They won't be around at all if these earth changes occur.
And so there are sort of two approaches to disseminating the information, even though it seems kind of common.
Well, I think we're amidst swimmingly right now seeing a great deal of the fulfillment of the Edgar Casey prophecies.
The core prophecy being what I call the Atlantean phenomena, where Casey was, just as a social prophet, linked our dependency on technology to this specific period of time where there would be a crisis in the ecology.
And if you look at, of course, the issues of global warming, if you look at unusual phenomena like El Niño, if you look at the abuse of different technologies, such as the dependency on things that expose us or make our culture vulnerable to things such as Y2K, that is all very, very much as though that we are souls from Atlantis, once again coping with the issue of our spirituality, our consciousness,
and our flat-out dependency on such things as technology.
By the way, I want to thank Larry King for having me as a guest this past Friday evening on Larry King Live for the entire hour.
It was certainly a pleasure.
It was a grand show, and I'm now looking forward to Larry's coming on my program.
That should be something, and it will happen in the next couple of months or so, within the next couple of months.
But it was a grand time, and I got to peruse the streets of Hollywood.
Larry's a great guy, and it really was a good show.
And by the way, those of you who didn't see it and would like to, I believe we have a link on our site, and CNN for a fee, I don't know what it is, will provide you with a videotape.
So we did that on this last Friday night.
Kevin Ryerson is here, good friend of Shirley McLane's, and in his own right, an intuitive.
And we are discussing intuitives and prophecy.
And we'll get back to him in just a moment.
If you will stay right where you are, keep that radio right where you've got it.
Kevin, you sort of got up to a discussion of really Y2K and our technological dependence, and that we were probably, according to many people, in for a bit of a fall.
Do you see that as the Y2K looming business at the end of the year?
And I think in particular things in the medical industry, communications, and of course anything that's associated with military tie-ins are a concern.
Now, fortunately, apparently some of those issues are being addressed.
From my own sort of like consensus process, it appeared to be that one of the concerns would be is not as though that a collapse may occur universally, for instance, but more so that this particular bug may continue for some time past the January 1st deadline when it's supposed to kick in.
I have been working with some people on what they feel might be one of the solutions if they can get the man hours to more or less bring about the programming, et cetera, et cetera.
One of the things that probably will be the most sensitive is the grid systems.
And so there are a lot of credible sources, including the U.S. Senate now, for beginning to say things like the Americans should begin to take some prudent precautions for Y2K.
I think my own approach to it is not only in response to Y2K, but the implications for the human community in general is that it is not a bad thing to necessarily have this type of preparedness for several reasons.
One, there have been a number of different disasters that have hit already, which I saw as sort of fulfillment of the Casey prophecy, such as the 89 quake in San Francisco, the heavy quakes that had occurred in Los Angeles, and even such things as El Niño bringing in mudslides, et cetera, et cetera, all of which can cripple any one of the different communities.
And the bottom line is that I wish Emanity had started acting on it, taking it a lot seriously, even for instance, even as Egger Casey began to speak about it, because we'd identified trends in pollution as far as as early as the 50s, for instance, when the formal studies on smog began.
And one of the keys is that people, for instance, who in Los Angeles were prepared when some of these wildfires hit or when the earthquakes hit, and people in particular, say, of religious values, such as the Mormons, with the enormous stores of food and preparedness they had that when they did go off the grid system, which is a more common phenomenon than we acknowledge, They weren't up there in the hills, you know, protecting themselves like some group of survivalists or something.
They immediately had the supplies to break out where they could help their neighbors and they could help cope with crisis that our government is encouraging us to have this kind of preparedness, which is, in my opinion, the more humane approach to this entire process.
I have never, during my lifetime, heard our government officially tell Americans to prepare by storing food or whatever it is they're saying American people should be doing right now.
I've never heard that.
Now, I'm sure during the war there were such proclamations, but I was born just after the Second World War, so I've never heard that from our government.
And this retreat of the ice is one of the key signs.
It really puts such things as Europe, other coastal cities, et cetera, et cetera, in jeopardy.
And when you have things like El Niño or when you have things like these extraordinary rainfalls where virtually the entire Mississippi River had reversed its course because it couldn't handle the swelling of its tributaries, including the Ohio River, which I'm indigenous to Ohio, was absolutely extraordinary.
And once again, as a nation, we're able to recoup.
We're able to recover.
But I just find it extraordinary that with this kind of unfoldment and these kinds of climate changes, that just community preparedness on a universal standard and universal basis, which we know can be so helpful, when nature does become chaotic and we happen to be in the way of it.
Okay, well, that appears to be what's occurring right now.
Nature appears to be getting chaotic.
The jet stream, I read another little piece yesterday about the jet stream virtually touching the ground.
They've had some incredible winds, which can only be accounted for, according to the weather people, by the jet stream virtually touching ground.
And that's not all.
We've got birds flying north that should be flying south.
We've got birds dropping dead.
We've got birds with deformities, frogs with deformities.
We've got schoolchildren down in Australia who are required by law to wear hats because of the amount of ultraviolet radiation because of the ozone hole.
We've got a lot going on with the environment that is not good.
I said this on Larry King the other day, and I've said it on my program, Kevin.
In the old days of a piston-engine aircraft that crossed the Pacific, about halfway across the Pacific, because of the amount of fuel they would carry, a little red light would come on.
They would say, point of no return.
That was in the old High and Mighty with John Wayne.
And in my opinion, humanity's little red light came on a while ago.
I mean, that means that you cannot go back.
You're only going to go forward to your destination, or you're going in the water, one of the two.
But you're not going back to California.
And I think that humanity's little red light came on a while ago, point of no return.
So the world is not going to end, but I think we're headed for some kind of a change.
Well, I think that many intuitives can agree with the position that what it is is that humanity cannot go on in the manner that it has.
And the idea that the little red light comes on is an intriguing metaphor.
Carl Jung, who underwent a personal transformation by out-of-body experience, by the way, that became a real core in his psychology, used to monitor the dreams of his patients.
And in them suddenly began to appear extraordinary visions of some type of global catastrophe that eventually he felt that the world had reached a point where the phenomena that came to be known as World War II was something that humanity had almost chosen to impose upon itself, although it had opportunities, if you will, for a sea change or a course correction.
His final contributions to the field were twofold.
One, he began to examine the phenomena of UFO sightings when they were first beginning to occur in the modern era, around between 47 and 49 at Mount Rainier.
And he felt that that was hopeful in that as people have those types of visions, it's as though humanity's consciousness is reaching out and trying to come full circle in that we are reaching another level in our conscious evolution.
Yaber also issued a cautionary note saying that there will come a time when humanity will have to face a crisis that supersedes even the destructiveness of war.
This will probably be a crisis that will occur in the ecology that humanity's actions are accountable for.
And that perhaps the thing that is hopeful in that is that it may very well be the moment in which humanity will finally be united.
Well, I think, Kevin, we're kind of like the lobster in the slowly heating water.
And only some now are realizing, damn, this water is getting hot.
The great majority of people out there are sort of consumed with their everyday lives.
And that's not really a slam on them.
But people, most people, have to get up.
They've got to go to work.
They've got to earn a living.
They barely have any time left.
They have very busy lives.
We have a very busy country devoted to generally material, a search for material wealth.
And that's just what we are.
You know, not in total, of course, but a majority of the people don't have time to sit back and think about the larger ecological picture, for example.
You know, they just don't have that time every day.
Well, interestingly enough, acknowledging these particular scenarios, and we can even look at the past at other civilizations as sort of precursors as to what's going on with humanity.
I also think that there's a phenomena of intervention on the part of what we might refer to as that there is a spiritual process or a spiritual intervention.
And I began to see what I have come to label as the Jonah phenomena.
Jonah was the prophet in the Bible, in the Judeo-Christian Bible, who, although a reluctant prophet, went and prophesied the fall of a city.
And yet the people in this city had repented the points that Jonah had pointed out about the quality of their lives.
And Jonah, who was in a profound meditation when he returned 90 days later, thought that he had failed as a prophet because the city still stood and did continue to survive for a number of centuries.
But God speaking to Jonah in a classic biblical sense, in, of course I'm paraphrasing, really sort of explained to him that he may have been the only successful prophet in the Bible in the sense that prophecy and prediction is so that humanity and human beings may have the opportunity to generate this kind of course correction that we're talking about here,
that if that red light has come on, and I agree that may indeed be the case, you know, are there things inner sciences or in human behavior or human phenomenology that maybe says that we can create a sea change here?
Or as Bucky Fuller said, is there a trim tap there that can bring the ship of state around?
Well, again, I refer to Gordon Michael Scallion because I respect him greatly as an intuitive, and he has said to me many times that indeed prophecy is exactly as you just suggested.
Most times it's not like you could lay all your money down on whatever an intuitive might say because it might be getting served up as a warning to produce some sort of spiritual reaction that would produce a course change.
However, of late, even Gordon Michelscallion has been saying that the visions he's been getting now appear to be irrevocable and irreversible, and that at some point you do get to a place where what's going to occur is going to occur, and all you can do is perhaps lessen the degree of the occurrence,
but not stop it any longer once it has passed a certain point, or the little red light, however you want to think of it.
That agrees very much with what we know from physics in the sense that it's almost like Schrödinger's cat, where it talks about that because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, we can't know where a particle is exactly in time and space without its losing its mass.
You know, is it a wave or a particle?
And in the experiment with Schrödinger's cat, he wanted to demonstrate that by putting a cat in a box with a Geiger counter and a toxic substance.
And kind of like in a Rue Goldberg-like way, the Geiger counter triggers and spills the toxic substance, but the box being sealed, and we're not knowing exactly what is occurring inside the box on a quantum level, he is able to create a thought experiment that demonstrates that inside the sealed box is the cat is both alive and is both dead.
And that not until we open the box and make an observation can we really tell which of those two competing probabilities has occurred within the specific time and space of that container.
And I feel that we're reaching that critical point of observation for the planet as to which of these different competing sets of prophecies and predictions, or as they call it in science, probability fields, is more of coming into manifestation.
I have participated directly in studies where we have mapped a multitude of different trends, a number of which I spoke to before, for instance.
AIDS rising in prevalence, of course, is a classic concern because when you're speaking in terms of an apocalypse, AIDS is certainly one of the more prevalent ones threatening the human population.
It sounds like Master Thomas's predictions about the depopulation of different countries.
And, you know, it's indeed when you ask me about my own intuitive abilities, we have been able to trace exactly these kinds of trends, which they sound remarkably like the trends that are in the classic book of the apocalypse, the Revelation.
You have pestilence, you have earthquakes in diverse places, you have the issue of war and famine continuing to plague humanity, sort of draining its human resources that maybe it could be putting into the solution.
We're at the top of the hour, so you get a good rest.
When we come back, a lot of intuitives lately have been talking to me about our sun.
I want to ask about that.
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That a 25-mile piece of ice broke free in the Antarctic.
The story, satellite images revealing that a section of ice about 25 miles long broke away from the Antarctic Peninsula, confirming an earlier warning by British experts that it was under threat.
Ice shelves have been in rapid retreat for the past few decades, apparently in response to a regional climate warming of 2.5 degrees centigrade or 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit since the 1940s.
Images taken in February and March were compared by the University of Colorado at Boulder.
That's the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
And the image of February 26 shows much of the ice already to be gone.
The March 23rd image made it crystal clear that a significant portion of that ice shelf had broken off.
Now, here's another story for you to consider, to file away in your gray basket, as Stanton would say.
The world's glaciers are melting quicker than scientists thought.
A leading researcher said yesterday.
They are disappearing in Europe, the U.S., Africa, Russia, China, and New Zealand.
A project to gather global information about glaciers shows that many have already vanished, and they are disappearing in the Alps, the Pyrenees, and the Rockies.
In Spain, the number of glaciers has dropped from 27 to 13 since 1980.
In a moment, Kevin Ryerson will be back.
We're going to talk a little bit about our sun.
A lot of interesting things going on with our sun.
But first, from the Buffalo New York News, the 7th March edition, March 7th, that was the day before yesterday, now in most time zones.
On Tuesday, this went out, by the way, to the Night Ritter newspapers.
On Tuesday, a dangerous asteroid whizzed by Earth in a cosmic close call.
Several near-misses are expected on March 18th, March 26th, and April 1st.
Astronomers are discovering potential killer asteroids now at a record pace.
The public's flirtation last year, remember, in the movies?
With fear of menacing space rocks fueled by two fictionalized movies and one very widely reported threat has now faded, but the threat has not.
Astronomers scanning the sky with new technology are finding substantial fresh evidence of real danger.
They are almost weekly additions to their list of potentially hazardous asteroids.
In 1998 alone, scientists found 55 of the would-be killers, more than the previous six years combined.
Now the list is at 163 and growing.
So, as is usually the case, you always get it just after it's happened.
On Tuesday, we had a close encounter, they say.
Well, if on Tuesday it had hit, we obviously would have had no warning.
I have had a number of intuitives, some remote viewers, who have been telling me that our sun for some time has been the focus of a lot of their attention and that they expect something pretty rough pretty soon from our sun.
Have you heard anything at all about this from anybody?
I've heard over about the last 24 months concerns about everything from the sun's magnetic field to increased sunspot activity to possible increase in solar flares, etc., etc.
There's a concern that maybe the sun's magnetic field is somehow becoming more unstable, almost reaching some type of zero-point effect where it may release higher amounts of radiation than usual,
which with your already battered ozone layer, per se, that I don't think it would be the equivalent of a coup de grace, but it would be something to be definitely concerned about if this is then confirmed through other sources, other, say, astronomical sources.
Well, we are entering in the next couple of years a solar maximum.
And of course, we go through 11-year cycles or 22, depending on what you believe.
The full cycle is 22, but every 11 years, we go through a cycle with the sun, and we are about to enter a maximum.
But a lot of people seem to have concerns about the Earth's magnetic field.
They see it beginning to occasionally wobble and change a little bit, and there's quite a substantial body of theory out there, Kevin, that should our magnetic field collapse or radically change,
and the sun should have an ejecta that virtually Israeli scientists, for example, believe the dinosaurs were not killed by some great rock that hit Earth,
though that's certainly possible, but rather that the planet was virtually instantaneously sterilized by radiation from the sun, and that there are catastrophic circumstances that occur from the sun from time to time.
Now, that's not frequent from our mortal point of view, but it might account for a lot.
And so I guess you've been hearing these things as well.
Before our sciences about magnetic fields were even developed.
In fact, if anything, you can trace the roots of his prophecies, some of which was most famous about the Earth flipping on its axis or the wobble in the Earth's axis continuing.
It was not only the Earth's physical position shifting six degrees, it was specific references to the Earth's magnetic field that he was also addressing.
This has roots in classical prophecies and predictions with Casey and was considered one of the key precursors as to when we'd be entering into these times that we're conversing on now.
And to me, the thing that fascinates me about this is, again, what I refer to, if we've reached that halfway point, what types of means of intervention is going to occur here if, as Jung said, there is this crisis in the ecology, as I pointed out, what I called the Jonah phenomena.
Are there factors that can somehow moderate or modify, I think, what we're in consensus on as a crisis point as we go into this new millennium?
There's cycles in nature, above all else, humanities, destabilizing the ecology.
What I am curious about is what are the trends that people like Jung and Casey spoke to might be a moderating factor in this?
Is there, in your opinion, Kevin, really any significance to 2000?
I mean, certainly when you consider the computer problems that may lie ahead, there's no question about it.
But otherwise, the year 2000 is just another day.
Really, it's just there have been shifts in the calendar through the ages, and I don't think January 1st, 2000, the world is going to end, even though people march up and down the street with signs saying so, is just another day, really.
Or is there some spiritual significance to it aside from Y2K?
With Y2K, you just have a classic you have a classic botch of humanity trying to rob Peter to pay Paul, trying to save a little bit of extra bite on computers that then in turn just grows out like when you have that 16th inch of a carpet when you lay it down, all of a sudden you've got four feet going up the other side of the wall.
But the year 2000, or quite frankly, the idea of the millennium does have its roots in the concepts of the procession of the equinox.
And with the precession of the equinox, you have a more than subtle shift of where the sun rises, for instance, in 2,000-year cycles, as far as the progression astrologically, where the sun rises in the spring, fall, and winter equinox and solstice.
So there is, if you will, a significant astrological and astronomical relationship that does occur in 2,174-year cycles.
Well, if you it's it's really one of the things that makes an argument for esoteric civilizations such as Atlantis, for instance, the Sphinx, where Casey refers to as the Hall of Records being, which he sees as a hope for humanity to be able to cope with these radical evolutionary changes that are occurring on the planet.
The paws of the Sphinx are positioned exactly in alignment as to where the spring equinox would have occurred approximately 15,000 years ago.
I chased him around Giza myself and almost had my own heart attack.
Now, watching that little gal and others chase him around was kind of humorous, reminded me of when I was there.
You're right.
He's kind of an Indiana Jones kind of guy.
But I'll tell you this.
If he made, this is my own personal belief, and he'd really take me on for it, but if he made a discovery of really earth-shattering significance, trust me, it wouldn't be on Fox.
I would have to agree because the very tunnel that he spoke of that remained unexcavated, that he kind of courteously acknowledged, you know, when being challenged, the fact that everything that he has discovered, that he's speaking of as his greatest discoveries and his greatest adventures was described in intimate detail by Edgar Casey some 50 or 75 years before is rather extraordinary.
Well, indeed, they have, through a penetrating x-ray, they have discovered that there is a tunnel that seemingly leads down at an angle from the Great Pyramid toward the left paw of the Sphinx.
And furthermore, there appears to be a chamber there where it's been suggested that when the spring equinox occurred, and it would have aligned exactly between the paws of the Sphinx, it would have been just below the horizon line of the constellation Leo and the constellation Virgo.
So it appears that the Sphinx is the equivalent of a star map.
And in one of the legends, it talks about how Ra gave humanity a secret place, a secret place just below the place of the lion.
And it's believed that if you look at that as a star map, because the Sphinx is a precise profile, in precise profile, is exactly that.
If you connect all the dots in the constellation, Leo, it's the precise profile of the Sphinx.
So looking at that as a star map, It's the idea of what is called the Hall of Records and a source of hope for humanity in these challenging times is right below the Sphinx where they have done these non-invasive forms of archaeology using ultrasonics and x-rays, etc., etc.
And they have confirmed there is indeed a chamber there.
We have gone to the pyramids multiples of occasions.
I've traveled there myself with a group called Power Places Tours.
I'm returning there with another group called the Intuition Network this September.
And we're going to be exploring some of these issues.
I believe them to be a type of what you might call a psionic type of technology that had a multitude of different functions.
I believe it to be the equivalent of what you might now call a database in zone.
I believe the way to access it is through intuitive states and that the pyramid itself and the extraordinary mathematics associated with it, for instance, if we had to send a single object into space to communicate with extraterrestrials, I believe the mathematics of the pyramid would probably communicate more about our planet than virtually any other type of object.
You know, I have this comedic image that he's going to do that, and then suddenly, like, the Hall of Records will open up right underneath the feet when he does that.
In fact, we even had the opportunity to work under some instructions with the pyramid as the kind of technology that we spoke of before with some rather startling results.
Well, we started out in the base of Egypt where going through the temples, which many people feel line up with the chakras in the human anatomy, and the climax was actually entering into the pyramid itself.
Now, through my own intuitive process, it had been predicted that if we worked appropriately with the energies in the pyramid, we could have a demonstration of what was called climate control as to how the Atlanteans had worked with it.
So we had taken instructions to work with certain ancient Egyptian hymnals, which break down into certain types of sound frequencies.
And when actually lying in the sarcophagus and then causing it to resonate by striking the side of it with your fist, it resonates to a perfect pitch of A.
And it's like a great drum.
And then with the other types of meticulous types of chanting, quite similar to the kind of chanting that is done in Tibet, a rather remarkable phenomenon occurred.
When we had entered the pyramid, the sky was perfectly clear.
When we had come out of the pyramid about an hour or two later, as we were there to be able to be there privately, because it was after the park had closed, the plateau had closed, there was an extraordinary thunder and lightning storm that was entirely out of character with the climate at that time of the year.
And later on, as we viewed it from the weather channel, the eye of this thunderstorm was directly over the capstone of the pyramid itself.
You know, if Dr. Hawassa was here, he would say, Kevin, what a wonderfully imaginative mind you have.
I've spoken with Dr. Hawai so much, I know exactly how he would respond.
I got to line the sarcophagus myself, and I had an experience that I still really can't properly put words to.
I felt something that resonated within every cell of my body, and that's about as close as I've been able to come to explaining to people what I felt as I was there.
I did it kind of humorously.
I first laid in there and kind of crossed myself as though I was a dead Egyptian.
And then I stopped laughing and I started feeling.
It was really strange.
Well, anyway, listen, I've got a lot of calls, so let's see what's on the line, Kevin.
The first time calling line, you're on the air with Kevin Ryerson.
And during my practice of the yoga, it's actually led me back to the Bible, God.
And I was wondering, your intuitive powers, are you using yogi or the chakras, calming of the quiet, quieting the mind with the use of yogi, or how are you doing this?
Well, the description of yoga, many people feel is actually contained within biblical scripture.
For instance, Jesus uses the root word yoke on multiple occasions, even saying, put upon yourself my yoke or the yoke of the Christ.
And the word yoga itself is derived from the term yoke, meaning to link the mind, the body, and the spirit, which is exactly parallels Jesus' teaching.
Furthermore, he spoke of the importance of the body as a temple.
He spoke about how the kingdom or the order of things is within the body.
And my own intuitive process interprets the book of Revelations as a book of yoga, that the seven churches and the seven candlesticks and the seven seals are the seven chakras.
And that as those energies are opened up, people reach either individual potential or they reach the collective potential that then becomes the fulfillment of the prophecy that the book is associated about.
So yoga is very much part of the intuitive development process.
The Native American who was on my program, who spoke a great deal, by the way, about weather modification, who had himself a massive heart attack and died.
Speaking, what I'm referring to is that Speaking Wynne had mentioned that there would be an amount of great depression which would be caused by possibly, correct me if I'm wrong, by the alignment of planets.
And it leads into my question, which is this, Kevin.
Do you have a take on our nation's young people and the hopelessness which I believe would be led to by depression in this day and age that they do feel?
And because of these feelings of hopelessness, the terrible acts that they do act out upon at times because of these feelings.
Well, part of what I think that we need to include in programs like these is some of the patterns of hope that can emerge for the future for young people.
Because these are very trying times, not only for us veterans who've been around for a while, but in particular for the forthcoming generation.
And one of the hopeful trends that I point out is that one of the most advanced spiritually, in my opinion, one of the most rapidly growing schools of thought in the world is the private school movement of the Waldorf schools that have been founded by Rudolph Steiner, who was sort of a Judeo-Christian mystic contemporary of Edgar Casey.
And people who find that when they put their children in either these schools or open them very early up to their fundamental spirituality, that these become almost like whole new human beings.
And that they're extremely resilient and they're able to resist some of the types of peer pressures that are put so much on children in our urban centers.
And that to me is a very, very hopeful trend.
And I think that as we continue to make progress and maybe as this kind of information gets out there and one of Art's largest constituency is both the 20-somethings and younger folks, they kind of have Art Bell parties listening to these kinds of things.
And so maybe we can reverse some of this kind of conflicts that exist in our society.
See, for a while, I've been listening about five years, and I was thinking about an ABC suit that's atomic, biological, and chemical.
And now I've been thinking about maybe I could buy a NASA space suit with, I don't mean to be flip about this, with air conditioning and all that to negate the radiation and whatever else might come my way, you know, just for survival purposes.
And there's so many potentials with, well, like up in Canada, they found a species of butterflies that only existed in like, well, Midwest America.
Sir, it is a little flip in the sense that if something happens to the environment that is really serious, if you have a spacesuit, you have an extra few hours.
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Well, Art Bell said it might be a few days, or not Art Bell, I mean Ed Dane.
Ed said this might only last a few days, but the temperature is going to grow up drastically.
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I think our greatest threat is from the volcanology that's occurred in the past, which, by the way, is I'm pretty well written.
And I've heard that some of the dinosaurs died, mainly from the earth upheavals, about 15,000 to 20,000 years ago, according to Casey.
And that's something to think of, too.
I mean, if they could kill dinosaurs, well, you know, there's been volcanic eruptions over in Africa that released cyanide gas, I believe, or certain sources of dioxide gases.
Yeah, the whole issue of volcanology and the changes that are occurring, although I think you said it with serious intent, you know, one of the things we do have to point out is that because of the lowered human immunology, there are people who are living in spacesuits on a daily basis because they are so sensitive to these radical abuse of the ecology in the form of these kinds of earth changes,
these really deep volcanic changes which are probably occurring due to the Earth's warming.
And there are people who have to live their lives on a daily basis in some type of containment suit or containment chamber because they have absolutely no immunity to these radical events in the ecology.
I think that that is a very, very well-documented trend.
I think that that's very well medically accepted.
I mean, it's nothing more than just the stress of modern living, which we know will lowers the immune system and the T cell counts.
But furthermore, because of issues like AIDS, this is for the first time that we have really recognized this as a crisis in humanity.
But one of the things that's also intriguing is that it does appear that humanity does respond to these kinds of stresses because with the mapping of the human genome, they have noticed, for instance, that there are certain peoples who have almost what are like dormant genetic qualities that are now beginning to emerge that maybe is somehow a genetic reversal of some of the stresses that have been placed on the human system.
One is a group of people, for instance, who can actually synthesize vitamin C.
And that apparently is existent in all of our genetic pattern, but it is part of the dormant gene pool.
And that's why I actually am hopeful that even as Jung said, there's this crisis in the ecology.
It's the fact that we are getting larger and larger audiences of people to begin to look and to cause shifts in their thinking.
You know, human evolution in relationship to the environment was well documented by people like Jeffrey Goodman in his book, We Are the Earthquake Generation, where he studied the climate changes out here in the southwest where I'm at,
of the ancient Pueblo people and the Anastasi people, and found that when humanity was at a high spiritual point with high psychic activity, the climate reflected a real abundance of food and resources and the human population expanded.
However, when they abandoned those principles, it's almost as though the climate responded in kind, and basically extremely harsh droughts, earthquakes, then displaced these very, very highly evolved spiritual civilizations.
There's something that a caller said that just haunts me and haunts me.
And so I'm sorry if I keep repeating it to my audience, but a caller called me and said, hey, Art, it's like Earth is getting mad at us.
And I thought about that for a second.
I said, no, Earth doesn't get angry.
Earth gets even.
And even that implies some sort of consciousness, which I'm not so sure about.
But what I think is, Kevin, that when we put nature out of balance, the Earth itself, its environment, its ecosystem, its closed system, simply responds to correct that balance.
Now, a casual observer might think Earth is getting angry at us, but she's not really getting angry.
Rupert Sheldrake's what is called morphogenic field theories, or the idea of the Gaia effect, is that the idea of the Earth as a living organism is receiving a great deal more credence nowadays as we look at this crisis in the ecology.
And even biblically speaking, it says, you must keep the laws of the prophets, lest the earth itself spew you forth.
Well, what do you say to right-wing religious fundamentalists whose view is that the earth and all that is on it was put here for our exploitation, our use,
and that politically, as you well know, there is a large movement in this country to debunk at all costs anybody who might talk about changes that we need to make to begin to make corrections in our environmental situation.
There's a very, very strong political lobby against anything of that sort.
There is an attempt to repress what I consider some of the more progressive type of thinking that could lead to a much more hopeful scenario if it comes out and becomes part of the mainstream values.
The Institute of Noadic Sciences has done a hopeful demographics of what appears to be an emerging demographics of what is called the cultural creatives.
These are people who draw their values, for instance, from what they consider to be authentic in relationship to the ecology, authentic in relationship to what they see working in our democratic institutions and want to bring about massive reform.
And that they're in juxtaposition to the more traditionals who draw only upon fundamentalist religious belief systems.
They trace the demographics that this is about 35 to 45 million people voting age, and that they, but what they need to do is to become more conscious of themselves as a demographic force.
So in addressing the issue about right-wingers and stuff, first of all, humorously, I'd like to go on the record that in spite of Mr. Fowwell's best statements, I don't think that Tinky Winky, for instance, is the anti-Christ.
And I did take offense at some of the anti-Semitic implications in some of his statements.
And I think of what it is, it has to do with the fraying of that particular demographics, that they have run the course of any ideas that they may have had per se, and that there is a new demographics emerging out there.
And if it can have these kinds of effects, that newly emerging demographics that Jeffrey Goodman was able to document so excellently, perhaps we ourselves have reached a crisis that the ancestors have known about, whether it's the Anastasi or whether it is the builders of the pyramid, that the past maybe is the precursor to the future, that we have something to learn from those ancestors.
But there's a large radical group, unfortunately, that is pushing politically with some great success to subvert any attempts at change to correct the environment.
And that's who I was talking about.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kevin Ryerson.
Well, in meditation, it can be a specific vision, in particular, if you form a question first, which is like what the Socratic method says, is that if you form the right question, more than likely the right answer is already within you.
And through meditation, you have the ability of forming a very specific inquiry, and then you have an episode of direct knowing.
Now, myself, I am a practitioner of what's called Anja Yoga, which it is the belief that the mind or the intellect can be an equal tool for bringing together the spirit and the body.
So in my particular case, when I am experiencing what's called a conscious clairvoyant episode, it is like a very clear, comprehensive body of knowledge that I did not necessarily take in through the rational critical process.
So many people I know have come to very difficult times or worse lately.
It's astounding.
We'll keep you updated on Richard Hoagland's situation.
He's suffered a massive heart attack.
He's in Miami.
He's facing surgery later on this morning.
His condition is not good.
The white LED flashlight from the Seacrane Company, well, you know, I think I'll read you a letter from somebody which says this is not just another flashlight.
Oh, by the way, this call is dedicated to Richard Hoagland.
Thank you.
You were talking about the precession of the equinoxes.
Yes.
And it being 2,174 years.
Yes.
Okay.
In Graham Hancock's book, Fingerprint of the Gods.
Ancient Numbers in Genesis00:12:43
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Yes.
He said in order to make the math work that the ancients had planted in mythology all over the world, the figure 2,160, mainly because it's divisible by 9, and it made your math easier.
Did you know that that number 2,160 has also been hidden in Genesis?
I have heard quite a number of different frameworks of reference on that.
Jim Hurtak, in his book, The Keys of Enoch, in conversations I've had with him, has made mention of this.
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What happened, Joseph Campbell, they were running a PBS program, and he mentioned that a German scholar had worked the math out for the great cycle in the Patriarch's ages.
And he didn't give any specifics.
So I sat down and I went and I took a look at it.
And the Patriarchs, as you know, have very long ages anyway.
And Enoch, having lived 365 years, that should be a clue that it could be some hidden math in there anyway.
Okay.
But I found out if you take all the patriarchs, see when they begot their sons and add it up, you get 1556.
Okay.
Now you have to add another 100 years in there because it's 100 years further till the flood.
And Graham had said the precession math is very often hidden with flood stories.
Okay.
That'll give you 1656.
Now, let's see.
I won't follow what I've got written down here.
You have to multiply this by Enoch's total age, which is 365.
You get a total number of days.
The 604,440.
However, you've left out leapier days.
You take the 360 degrees of a circle, which all this stuff is tied with, add that to it, you get 604,800.
To get weeks, you divide it by the seven heavenly bodies that we name the days of the week after.
This will give you 86,400.
And you divide this again by the mnemonic, which is the 40 days and nights of the flood, and you get 2,160.
Well, I appreciate that information, but my reaction to that is that, boy, oh boy, you can make any number happen if you have enough reference points and you can name enough things and you can make any number mean anything.
Now, I don't mean to take anything away from what he just said, but I could take Bill Clinton's birthday and Monica's date of birth, and before you know it, I could end up with the pyramids or something or another.
I think that the idea of sacred mathematics is fascinating.
Like I said, Einstein, you know, saw the whole theory of relativity as a horse coming down a beam of light, and then he knew that he could use the speed of light as a universal standard.
Even now, we know that the speed of light perhaps in new mathematics, using some of the theories of Tesla, can perhaps be superseded and may not be a universal standard at all.
So even what we consider to be standards in physics itself that we base our sciences on have some flexibility.
But one thing we do know is that in relationship, for instance, to say some of the sacred math proposed by the pyramid, is that just the division of its height to the measurements of the base does begin to derive some of the numbers that he was mentioned contained in Genesis.
Well, just to clarify a little bit, he talked about how originally, you know, we were in spirit and then that we are really spiritual beings.
In other words, our origins are as beings of energy or consciousness, and that we are here as spiritual beings to experience the physical, that we're not physical beings trying to be spiritual.
This is all, of course, contained within the basis of Genesis before.
But in the simplest form, it's the idea of souls we have incarnated through reincarnation as expressed in Hinduism and Buddhism, that we are evolving our consciousness towards the point where we become aware of our own spiritual potential.
And that in one of the Casey readings, it was suggested that this return of what we call the Christ is a collective awareness of our own individual and humanity's potential to become children of God,
which would simply means that if God is love and that is what we are, that that can be one of these more hopeful paths that we have in this period of testing that Casey talked about that we've more than alluded to earlier in this program.
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All right, and as far as Casey himself returning by the end of this century?
Edgar Casey, in his classic vision, saw himself as a young man sometime between 1999 and possibly the vision was as late as 2015, as being in some type of craft that sounded remarkably like some type of technology associated with extraterrestrials.
And he had his classic vision of the earth with the earth changes that, again, we discussed in some detail earlier in the program.
Now, whether or not that means that he is physically incarnate or whether that means that as a soul he was viewing the planet's direction or fate based on the predictions he was given is still open to some interpretation.
Well, in the channelings, in most esoteric histories, you must have remembered Atlantis had several phases to it.
The classic Atlantean period that Casey addresses, which culminated around, say, about 10,000 to 12,000 B.C., places that classic Atlantean period is around 25,000 years.
But before that, Casey traces the history of Atlantis back at least 240,000 years and then traces the precursor civilization of Lemuria back almost a million years before that.
And we do now have some anthropological evidence suggesting very, very, very advanced achievements on the part of humanity and perhaps even much more advanced concepts of human evolution dating back to those periods of time.
Intriguingly enough, even traditional anthropology is being put under a lot of pressure.
A fellow intuitive of mine, whose name was Abrahamson, actually had pressed back the arrival of humanity here in the North American continent almost 25,000 years by a classic site found as flagstaff, and he was sponsored by Jeffrey Goodman.
And that is now actually accepted as the new carbon dating as to how long human beings have been here in the North American continent.
It's been suggested that it may have been there as late as some of the early Greek influences.
There are recordings of it and descriptions of it.
The other thing is that there were descriptions that there may have actually been not only the gold capstone, but other types of capstones.
One suggested being made of lapis and perhaps one made of quartz.
But it appears that it may have actually disappeared fairly late within the historical game plan, being there as late as around the time period of the birth of Jesus.
And we do know that most of the limestone was stripped off during the building of some of the mosques by the Islamic faith.
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And in replacing this cap, do they feel that the pyramid is going to do something, so-called turn into a machine and do something, or no one has any idea for things not being said?
I think that the general who's putting the capstone on looks at it as strictly a pleasing sort of aesthetics or pleasing type of sort of publicity not per se.
I mean, it has a dignity to it because it's kind of cool that it'll be up there again.
Somehow I envisioned Zahi going up there and finally placing it on top of the pyramid, and all of a sudden you hear this giant rock shifting and sand pouring.