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March 8, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Kevin Ryerson - Intuitive

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid that I have some seriously negative news for you.
		Michael and I'm sure a person that you know well, the Enterprise mission, Richard C. Hoagland, has had a very serious, possibly massive hard attack.
		It occurred Saturday morning, and I've been in communication with all kinds of people since that time.
		Most recently, his other half Susan, who works for the United Nations and is presently on her way down to Richard.
		Richard was stricken Saturday morning with an obvious heart attack, and they called 911 right away.
		Richard was taken to a local hospital where he was in very serious critical condition.
		He is on some form of life support.
		Give you some idea of how serious this is.
		He was transported earlier today to a Miami critical care heart facility for probable surgery in the next day of or two.
		Now, that's what I've heard.
		He is weak to the degree he cannot talk to anybody.
		I have not spoken with him.
		I have spoken with those who are with him.
		And all I know is it is indeed very serious now.
		There are a couple of things I want to note about all of this.
		Number one, Richard was, let us not imagine him by him.
		Richard is 53 years old.
		He is my age.
		And while he has led a list and ideal life health-wise, in other words, as you know, he works extremely, exceedingly, compulsively long hours.
		And as you well know, Richard is a serious type A personality.
		And he probably doesn't eat as well as he should because he's traveling all the time, and so I'm sure there's a lot of fast food.
		On the other hand, he doesn't carry particularly any extra weight.
		50 to be a bit early for a serious heart attack disorder.
unidentified		And he doesn't smoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't smoke.
		So this magnitude of heart attack, I think, is quite a surprise, if not certainly a shock.
		And it is a shock.
		And as you well know, Richard is my good friend, has been so for many, many years.
		Richard occasionally tends to go out on a limb.
		However, his science has been quite good.
		Despite all of the attacks against him, the attacks have mostly been of a personal character assassination nature and have been particularly virulent in the last, I don't know, several weeks.
		There are certain individuals who have been without mercy attacking Richard Hookland and engaging in nothing short of character assassination.
unidentified		Those people know who they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a certain other radio program and website that has been carrying this material.
		The material is generated in many cases by people who are self-committed liars and frauds.
		And I'm sure this has contributed what has occurred in Miami.
		And then there's, and so what I would say to this people is shame on you.
		You know who you are, and people in the community know who you are.
		So Richard's condition is critical.
		He's still in pain.
		He's throwing up rather constantly.
		He's very much too weak to talk, and I am led to understand is on some form of life support.
		Now there is one other thing to consider.
		And that is, by the way, I talk to, well I guess I better hold that.
		I'm going to refer you back to a letter that I read on the air sometime ago.
		To give you a little bit of background, Richard Hoagland went to Miami, ostensibly not for the Miami Circle.
		That's something he stumbled into when he was in Miami.
		But he went to Miami to consult with certain people about the NEXRAD radar images, the WebNear radar images, appeared to show, or may show, the experimental use of Tesla technology for what purpose we know not.
		Possibly some suggest local modification you recall all of that, the turret development business, all the rest of it.
		This is why he went to Miami.
		Earlier this year, when the turret development business began, Richard was consulting with a very well-known state scientist whose name you would recognize.
		Were I to give it to you, I will not.
		Richard received a letter from this scientist, and I'm going to part read to you right now.
		And I'm going to let you decide for yourself what it may or may not mean.
		The letter in part from this scientist to Richard says, quote, it's this simple regarding the nature of my business of brainwash.
		If I wish to live for another even forty-eight hours, I can't go into that or other things or go high-profile publicly.
		I wouldn't do anyone any good winding up dead very abruptly.
		Luckily, in my estimation, my own life expectancy right now is June of 1999, if I'm very fortunate, perhaps on May 1st.
		If certain others here in the rogue units have their way even sooner, that's it.
		Nothing anyone can do can prevent or affect that.
		As an old soldier of, and he's his age, which I will admit, a few days ago, I accept the inevitable.
		It doesn't change what I have to try to do and what little time I have left, time for ETV to be growth and just fade away.
		Most everyone else may not be very far behind.
		Anyway, nothing you, meaning Richard, or I, or anyone else can do is going to change what's coming down.
		All TV shows and radio talk shows and such cannot change one hair's breadth.
unidentified		Only the combination can avert it, perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd give up to a 75% probability, no higher, but would not argue that 50% is more correct.
		None of the conspiracies, aliens, plots, plans, maneuvering politics, nistas, rogues, UFOs, researchers, pontificators, internal agencies, armed forces, scientific community, and so forth have any conservative effect on any of these.
		It's really simple.
		We have a pending strategic strike unparalleled in all history now rapidly coming upon us, taking place and counting down.
		And the initial preparation for it has already begun.
		At this point, there are only two players in the game, and the U.S. is not either of them.
		Nothing the entire U.S. can do can change anything at this point, period.
		Then I'm going to sit down to what is relevant specifically in terms of, according to Richard, this unnamed site as it goes on, I strongly advise you, meaning Richard, to consider also pulling in your own horns on this.
		In my opinion, the ramparts have already been overrun and there's no longer any point in trying to defend them.
		You too will not be leaving anyone any good if you wind up suddenly dead or meet with a suicide on the way to the supermarket or something.
		You may recall my reading of that letter.
		And I am not saying that I believe that Richard was, that an attempt has been made on Richard's life.
		I'm not saying that because I don't know that to be true.
		What I do know is that this scientist was scared to death.
		And Richard was well aware of the fact that he was dabbling in areas that this well-respected scientist considered dangerous to his personal health.
		So you kind of pile that onto the news of Richard Huckland alive in critical condition tonight.
		And if it's somebody with pending surgery, and I don't have more details for you than that at the moment, but that I do know.
		And I will get you information as I get it.
		It probably will occur hour by hour.
		I'll let you know what I find as I find it, but I neither endorse nor dismiss the possibility that this scientist may be correct.
		Excuse me, some day for your consideration as I do everything else.
		I will tell you this, that one or more than one of Richard's close friends who are very well aware of all this had an opportunity to come on the air and declined to do so for reasons of their own personal safety.
		I would also remind you that there have been others who have recently met a tragic feat shortly after discussing this technology, this Tesla technology, this scalar Tesla technology as it applies to what's been seen in these images, these radar images.
		And my attitude is, Richard is a good friend of mine, number one, number two, I've tired people who have probably contributed to this, if it is not even more sinister as I just described, with vitriolic, unreventing character assassination attacks.
		You know who you are, and I think most of the audience knows who it is.
		And these attacks have been carried for some mysterious reason by another website video program, a reason that I simply cannot discern.
		Once the person has admitted to being a fraud and a liar, it's unimaginable to me that a responsible broadcaster would continue to give space or airtime to this kind of gamble.
		There are plenty of areas of scientific disagreement one can have with Richard Hobert.
		But the unrelenting personal attacks I think are disgraceful.
		And I think they have contributed to this.
		And I think the people involved should be damned well ashamed for themselves.
		So now you know what I know.
		You know all I know.
		If I get any more on all of this, I will be sure and tell you right away.
		What you might do, and what I would hope you to do, is to do what we have done before, and then it will do so, and that is to pray.
		You can use that word, pray, concentrate on surrounding the husband with white light.
		Pray for him.
		It's not a bad word, depending on your belief system.
		I strongly advise this would be a good time for all of you to take a moment out and to consider the man you've heard on this program for years and years now and concentrate on his healing.
		Because believe me, he needs it.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Mr. Ghost AF.
		We will be right back.
		Our nation has only one UFO or ufologist who lobbies in Washington, D.C. His name is Stephen Bessett, and I'm sorry to have to bring him on under these conditions, but from Washington, D.C. Here is Stephen Bessett.
		Stephen, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a little taken aback.
unidentified		I am going to assume that the information you've been promoting is correct and that this isn't some absolute test sick joke.
		No.
		I am disturbed by so many things here that I'm sure we don't have enough time because we just hit the highlights.
		First of all, it troubles me greatly that any individual who has worked with Steve Copeland or is an associate of his, either just as a friend or as a colleague, should in any way fear to come on your program and just talk about him or talk about the issues that he has raised or fear for themselves.
		If that is true, then it is indicative of anything else I can possibly imagine why this issue must be brought to a head politically and resolved, because clearly there was cancer growing somewhere currently.
		I am not afraid of whoever these individuals are that were referred to by this other gentleman, and I believe there are other people who are not afraid.
		And if they're going to take these measures, then let them do so and they will answer to history.
		But anyone who is going to, anyone who makes threats to people in the field, as far as I'm concerned, can just go to hell.
		Now, having said that, there's something else here that's this.
		The last four months, I watched DeCopman.
		The living Jesus kicked out of him.
		I just looked at everybody in their dog.
		I haven't said much.
		I think that this is an appropriate time to say something.
		First of all, I've known him for three years.
		I've spent hundreds of hours talking to him.
		And I know his faults and I know his strengths.
		But I know one thing, that nobody that I have ever done with in this field works harder and more intensely than he has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to be honest, one has to imagine that would have been his downfall.
		I mean, he just works tirelessly.
		He will work sometimes for days on end and then crash for eight hours and get up and work days more.
unidentified		Certainly at this point, all we have is a man who's had a heart attack who works very hard, and that's all that really should be said.
		But I think it's not inappropriate to add.
		Every time that he has continued to work the level that he does, which is 80 hours a week or more, he has had people defending on him, accusing him of everything on the sign, attacking him from every single direction.
		And I want to tell you something else.
		It's worse than that.
		I've had a number of people approach me in the last three months who have made it quite clear to me that if they don't several relationships with G. Copeland, I'm not going to do the work with them, or I'm not going to get to do this, or I'm not going to do that opportunity, or I'm not going to have effects on the field.
		And I've had the same thing happen to me regarding other people I work with.
		And you know, the other day I sat down and said, you know, if I sent out a list to all the people in the field and said, please come back with only those people that are acceptable to you to work with, when all those lists were collected and the names were crossed off, there'd be nobody left to work with.
		There is a mean, nasty street that's developed through this field and through the Internet and through lists.
		It is completely out of hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is an orchestrated campaign, I'm mistaken, nothing short of an orchestrated campaign of character and assassination.
unidentified		Well, I think it's an orchestration there.
		There's also just an evolving process in which the field has matured and there's a lot of people who dislike they have the information and they have the perspective and the conventions.
		They have the work posture and a lot of other people that don't need to disassociate themselves from it.
		And therefore, you need to start culling the weed from the chaff.
		And so they go on these paths to try to somehow establish a purified position that will then commit the mainstream to accept this, or at least accept some elite group.
		And what they do is they turn into the very people that have been standing and ignored this information for 50 years.
		They have become, in a sense, their adversaries.
		And what is upsetting about this is that what this movement is about and what the truth is about and what it concerns is not a group of elite mythologists or a group of special people who have this knowledge.
		It is about the citizens of the United States and the citizens of Mexico and Canada and Brazil and China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		whether our Constitution and Bill of Rights really means what's written there or not.
unidentified		The citizens of these countries, many of which are completely out of the, who have no knowledge of this, who are going to be blindsided by this transition, whether we liked or not, people who have spent years at this are in a sense a position of responsibility and are representing these people's interests since nobody else will.
		And it is about them that this is really what this is about.
		And this endless battle and catfighting and nonsense that goes on amongst the ufologists and their close-end followers is becoming incensuous and debilitating.
		And it completely forgets that we have a certain responsibility, whether we like it or not, to represent the larger interests of greater citizenry.
		And those people are completely out of the loop.
		This movement has been a citizen movement from the beginning.
		It has involved a lot of different kinds of people, some with degrees and some without.
		And as far as I can tell, and I've studied it pretty well, there are not perfect people in this field.
		If I find one, I'll be the first to call you up and tell you who it is.
		And there is just no justification for this endless attack.
		And of course, it is orchestrated as a strategic plan in some degree by the Emerson College.
		You can just call it a deploy in the game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is exactly the quick.
		Wherever he comes from, Stephen, I see an absolute agenda here.
		And what I see is, in our field, we have a lot of people out on a limb in McLean, like Richard.
		Richard's always out on a limb, and that's fine.
		And I can, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof or at least extraordinary debate.
		And when people come along and debate Richard on his scientific beliefs or findings, and I have no problem with it at all, but that's not what's been going on, Stephen.
		What's been going on are lies, intentional deceit, and straight-out character assassination.
		That's what's been going on.
		And that's not defeating facts.
		That's not forwarding the field at all.
unidentified		Let me make a good point.
		And that is that I have sort of an unusual position.
		I'm not a ufologist.
		I'm not a research reporter.
		I don't have a body of research that I pursue and I have to defend against all attacks.
		I'm in a politics.
		I'm in a representative activist type position.
		And I've tried to work with everybody that I could.
		And I have talked with a lot of people in this field.
		A lot of people that are considered highly controversial, as well as some of the more established hair seat types.
		And one of the most interesting things that I have learned in the three years in talking with a lot of these people and getting to know them at a reasonable level and understand some of their background is that the level of misunderstanding that exists in this field between members of the field, in other words, this person thinks that of somebody else, thinks that happened, and he did this, and he did that, and he said this, is unbelievable.
		In other words, 19% of most of the acrimony that goes on and most of the attacks occurs on the basis of sheer misunderstanding.
		And maybe 10% of it is actually grounded in some sort of fundamental fact that we establish and create a basis for a beef.
		The rest is nothing more than misunderstanding.
		It's like a giant rumor machine and people acting on it without circumscription.
		And it's extremely troubling to me because the fact is, is that when you add all of that patrimony and attacks and personal stuff, on top of the pressure that this field generates, and let me tell you, it generates a lot of pressure.
		When you work 60 and 70 hours a week and you have no money and you cannot take care of your own personal needs, when you can't have family relationships, when you pursue this with very little reward up against a foe that is extremely entrenched and very well financed and very determined, and then you're attacked by people in the field of mercy, it adds to the pressure.
		It brings people down.
		And I've met people that I work with that are in the middle of divorces.
		I've got people that are failing health.
		I've met people that are having heart attacks.
		And a lot of this is self-inflicted within the field.
		And it's just got to stop.
		People in this country, tens of millions of people in this country that are watching these videos of published TLC and NGC, and are getting informed to the subject hundreds and hundreds of hours, are starting to come to understand that, by God, something is going on here, and it's going to affect us.
		It's going to affect us in a powerful way.
		If these people would step forward collectively and say to this field, would you please grow up and would you just stop this nonsense?
		You are the people with the knowledge.
		You are the people that have done the research.
		We need you to represent us.
		We need you to speak to the movement.
		We need you to stop picking on each other and get with it.
		If they can do that, it's possible that the people of the field would turn away from each other and toward the subject itself and get the job done, get disclosure out of the way so we can get on with it, policy and science instead of myth and aspersion and lies and deceit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's exactly what's occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, if it had been on topic, in other words, if the debate had been on technical issues, whether the issue would be next to Radar or the Miami Circle or whatever else Richard happened to be in the middle of, if it had been on those issues specifically, fine, the field has got to allow for that kind of internal debate.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These victory, personal attacks designed to simply damage scorched earth.
		As you point out, it has got to stop.
		And the people in Alabama ought to be very ashamed of themselves, as far as I'm concerned.
unidentified		And it's somewhat exacerbated by the fact that some of the elite people in the field don't even feel they want to focus by addressing this.
		In other words, they want to try to stand apart and let us all beat ourselves up or we can hold that high ground when, of course, there is no high ground.
		This is a citizen populist effort.
		The reason is because there are no universities who will participate.
		There are no government agencies, no military, no intelligence.
		There are no institutions at all, including the media in a perfect position, who will support it.
		Therefore, he's populist by nature.
		Therefore, it's a little raggedy.
		He's rough around the edges.
		I don't know of anybody in this field, certainly nobody that I would associate with, that don't have some fundamental traits, namely warp disclosure, that needs to treat them, want to work hard for it, and only to look at the resources that they have, the degree, the intelligence, the skills.
		And they make mistakes and they coach it from different parameters.
		Respect to Hookman, one thing that always impressed me about him is that he was brutally frank.
		He never, ever hedged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always.
unidentified		He could do something with this way.
		He called it that way.
		He was extremely aggressive in his thinking.
		He was extremely intense.
		And rather than see it as an asset in the sense of going to go pursue things and look at things and put things together and make you go places you would never go and then garnish from that something of value and use that, instead of treating him as an individual that takes that aggressive approach, he has to destroy.
		He has to be brought down because he's corrupting the field.
		One thing I learned when I spent some time in Pier, which is a treatment of John Mack, and I was here when the NOVA special came in, I was there when some of the attacks he was under really intensified, is that one thing I learned is this is not a fair game.
		It is a pre-game with an unbalanced field.
		There aren't enough degrees.
		There is no college you can graduate from.
		There are no prizes, posts, Nobels.
		There is not enough accomplished that you can ever accrue that would give you full credibility in the eyes of the mainstream.
		The moment you are in this field, you are fundamentally ghetto-wise.
		They have created an intellectual congruent around this, and we are all the same.
		And then they stand at the walls of this ghetto, and they look down upon us and watch us fight among ourselves and say, boy, have the lead done a great job.
		Try and make every convention we can possibly have, and they try to destroy him.
		And so for us to attack each other over our approaches or our mistakes or some cheap in our positions is disgraceful, it's destructive, and it completely plays into the hands of those people in the government that are determined to keep completely out of this issue until we are ready, whatever that is, God knows when.
		And until we decide to put an end to this, this is going to go on.
		There's going to be more heart attacks, more divorces, more illnesses, more cancers, more God knows what.
		And it's simply ridiculous.
		Stephen, I'm sorry to be upset, Art, but I really am upset about this.
		I guess illness has just brought it to a head to believe you get to be the first person to suffer in this way.
		There's going to be more.
		And I just had to speak my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, Stephen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for coming on.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care of this.
		Stephen Bassett, our nation's only UFO, a lot of East in Washington, D.C. You know, I've been very close to Richard now for years as a friend.
		And Richard, like everybody, has some of these feels.
		He's, in some ways, has never grown up.
		He's always kind of childlike.
		His excitement has always been kind of childlike and frankly, as far as I'm concerned, great assets.
		But of course, that kind of personality leads sometimes to jumping into things that you ought to have jumped into, getting into something too soon, or even being wrong, and he's been wrong, and he's admitted he's been wrong before.
		However, he's also put down a lot of nerve modes, the most recent one, the Miami Circle, as you well know, and maybe some dangerous notes, to include the images that he was pursuing when he went to Miami.
		And so I will leave it to you all to decide what has happened to Richard Hope.
		All I can tell you at this hour is he's had a massive heart attack.
		He is in rather critical condition.
		He's on some form of life support.
		And he's facing open heart surgery of some sort.
		As I get details, I'll get them to you.
		Coming up at the top of the hour.
unidentified		With Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nine.
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		This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh with Artfell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Richard Hoagland has had a massive heart attack in Miami.
		For those of you joining at this hour, he's in critical condition.
		I just learned that he's facing surgery in the morning.
		And I'll try and get you details as they become available.
		The latest, he is going to be in surgery in the morning.
		He's in a heart center in Miami.
		I'm getting, obviously, a lot of communication.
		For example, Art, Philip J. Corso, Stephen Schiff, speaking with John Holloman, even Stephen Greer, who has cancer.
		Not to forget his assistant, by the way, who has now passed on because of cancer, Ms. Adamak.
		And now Richard Hoagland.
		A lot of people are die or get sick in a year's time, but not so many people for the same cause.
		Mathematics will tell you it couldn't be a coincidence.
		I'll pray for Richard.
		And in a strange way, maybe all of Richard's research is being confirmed to him at this very moment on something of a different plane than we can understand.
		I hate to say it, Mart, but the evidence is building.
		And a lot of areas tells me my logical mind, that is, that the war is on, and we have no idea what it's all about and where it's coming from.
		Or this one, Hi, Art.
		What happened to Richard today brings up a question in my mind, and perhaps others out there that who will follow in your footsteps if something happens to you?
		I can almost hear what you are thinking.
		Right, you can.
		That's Leo in New Jersey.
		But you know what?
		At the end of the day, it is my view that life is short anyway.
		And who wants to go out in a wimpy style, right?
		So whatever needs to be said is going to get said here.
		So I'm very sorry to bring you that sort of news.
		Somebody else, Joan in Seattle, writes, wasn't it Gordon Michael Scallion or was it Stan Dale who said that those with pacemakers and or heart problems should take care on Friday, March 5th due to the kind of electromagnetic energy that would be flying around?
		Yeah, I recall that.
		Somebody else asked, where can we send a card to Richard?
		At this point, I'm not going to give you anywhere to send anything.
		And I certainly don't want any facilities in Miami bothered with the thousands of people, well-wishers.
		And I understand that you would like to send something.
		So as soon as I'm able to get information on where you can send it, I'll give you an address.
		And in the meantime, what you can do is pray for Richard Hoagland.
		As you know, I am perhaps a little sketchy on the source of the power.
		But I have no doubt at all that mass mental concentration, prayer, if you will, does have an effect.
		And the best we can do is try.
		So if you have an extra moment in your busy schedule, Richard could sure use your good thoughts, your white light, your prayer, whatever it is you believe, if you send some good thoughts to Miami, it certainly won't hurt.
		So there you have it.
		Coming up in a moment, we're going to change gears because we have no further information at this moment to give you about Richard, other than again to say that those who have been attacking him recently have played a part in this, in my opinion.
		And those attacks have not been on his work, have not been on his science, but they have been of a vitriolic, personal, tear him apart kind of nature that smacks of an absolute agenda.
		And I think that those who have been doing it and those who have been giving either airtime to it or web space to it really should be ashamed of themselves.
		Attack the science, if you will, not the man.
		And those attacks no doubt have weighed heavily on him and had some effect on all of this.
		So there you have it.
		Any updates?
		And I'll get them to you immediately coming up in a moment.
		Kevin Ryerson.
		Commercial interruptus.
		But you noticed now it's to the point where I'll begin to make a comment and I'll look up and I'll notice that I still have one commercial to go and shut my mouth just barely in time.
		So maybe that's an improvement.
		I don't know.
		Kevin Ryerson.
		Kevin Ryerson is an acclaimed author, award-winning consultant, expert intuitive, and a trance channel in the tradition of Edgar Casey and Jane Roberts.
		He's been lecturing and teaching in the field of parapsychology and spirituality for 27 years.
		He's been a guest on national TV shows, including Oprah, Good Morning America, author of the landmark book Spirit Communication, The Soul's Path.
		Shirley McLean's best-selling books, Out on a Limb, Dancing in the Light, and It's All in the Playing highlighted Kevin's intuitive abilities.
		You'll recall he's a good friend of Shirley's.
		He was both a consultant and talent in the ABC TV miniseries Out on a Limb.
		His abilities are also featured in the 10th Insight, Holding the Vision, Experiential Guide by James Redfield and Carol Adrian.
		The Channeling Zone by Michael Brown, Your Sixth Sense by Bell Ruth, Knapperstack, I believe it is, and Time Life's Mysteries of the Unknown.
		I'm sure I slaughtered a couple of names there.
		Kevin is well known and respected for his balanced and integrated worldview.
	He maintains a consulting practice in San Rafael, California.
	And I think right now he's off in what was Richard Hoagland Territory, New Mexico.
	Welcome to the program, Kevin.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are pretty good friends with Shirley McLean, are you not?
unidentified		Yes.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I like to think I have that honor, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before we get into what you're doing, what is Shirley doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been a long time since I've heard anything at all about Shirley McLean, and maybe you'd be the right guy to update me.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think I can do it rather succinctly.
		Shirley continues to have her long-range interests in many of the subject materials you explore here on the program.
		In particular, she continues to have a very refined interest in extraterrestrial intelligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Most definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that, Kevin, she was really big on OBEs for a while.
		Really, really big on OBEs.
		And I've done a lot of research into OBEs, and I did it for a long time, and then suddenly, without warning, I had one myself.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The damnest thing in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it would be very interesting one day, I think, to be able to speak with her, and I bet you'd be the guy who could arrange it.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I can certainly pass it on to her.
		You guys can sit around sort of like swap-out-of-body experience stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is true.
		It really is true.
		And I must say, when I first heard about her and Out on a Limb, I was skeptical.
		Even during the times I was researching OBEs, I was skeptical.
		And I remained skeptical up until the moment that it happened to me in Paris.
		And then, of course, a skeptic becomes an experiencer.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think there's a new category we need.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Rather than believer or skeptic, we need that term experiencer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		add it to the catalog of terms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Well, all right.
		You consider yourself an intuitive.
		And I frequently interview and not long ago interviewed Gordon Michael Scallion and many others.
		And Gordon uses the same word, intuitive.
		Why do you use that word?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Because the word intuitive means, according to Webster, direct knowing.
		It means direct knowing that bypasses the conscious, rational, critical process.
		And when people come to intuitives, they've almost exhausted all of the logical or rational means to approach their problem solving.
		So when they work with an intuitive, we're by no means the method of last result, but it's a proven method used in everything from science to everyday decision-making in order to make breakthroughs into the human condition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, you said it's a knowing, which would seem to me to be kind of like saying an experiencer.
		In other words, what you know as an intuitive is not something you're guessing at.
		It's something you have hard information about from some other level.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		To the point where I myself have worked with persons such as Dr. Jeffrey Michlove, who you had on the program, I believe, a little while back, discussing the Ted Owens phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I've also worked with Dr. William Kautz, who was a senior staff research scientist at SRI, one of our largest think tanks.
		And he had put together the method that was referred to as intuitive consensus.
		And he would actually work with ongoing research at SRI in areas such as earthquake triggering mechanisms, areas such as exploring at the time what AIDS was.
		We were able to develop before science had been able to confirm it experimentally, that AIDS indeed was a retrovirus, that it was the protein coding that altered and not its interior DNA, as well as even a methodology for treatment that is now standard in the field in a form of a trifold antiviral approach because of the nature of the ability of the AIDS virus to adapt.
		So intuition and the intuitive consensus can be applied in a very, very practical manner for generating knowledge or generating information that is then in turn verifiable by the more standard means of science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, I want to ask you a general question.
		Going back to Nostradamus or Edgar Casey or Jane Roberts or yourself or Gordon Michael Scallion or Danion Brinkley or other intuitives, is there any common thread that one might explore that you see between all of these intuitives?
		Is there any common thing that seems to be true of most intuitives?
		Is there anything that links them together?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would suggest that the common denominators with intuitives are, for instance, Michael Brown examined, as a social scientist, examined the whole phenomena of channeling in his book called The Channeling Zone.
		And what he noticed as the common threads were is that one, all the intuitives, even though they came from diverse cultural backgrounds, different varying levels of education, all seem to present a continuity of a very similar worldview, if you will, sort of a common direction that humanity is taking.
		And above all else, even though the intuitives may have had very broad demographic backgrounds, they all seem to have a very intense desire to sort of improve the human condition through the use of their gifts, in particular when their gifts were at their peak ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel Brinkley is an interesting case because I know Dan personally.
		I should tell you, you talk about channeling, and perhaps we ought to have a little conversation about that.
		I have always, Kevin, been shy of channelers, and the reason that I've been shy of them is that not that I think all channeling is bunk, which is what some people conclude from my comments, but I've always felt that it simply allows too much room for fraud.
		It seems like anybody, I could apparently sink into a trance right now and become borg from the 17th century with important information for modern-day Earth.
		And so I've always been just cautious about channeling because of that very reason, simply too much room for fraudulent activity.
		But on the other hand, I don't reject channeling totally either.
		So do you have any comments?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, you know, I don't even feel I have to wax defensive.
		Some of the arguments are perfectly legitimate.
		And that's why I would point out, for instance, that Dr. Kautz had developed what he called the intuitive consensus method, where he might confer with yours trully and a number of other very gifted people.
		And he felt that where we had consensus with our intuitive insights, no matter what the vehicle, whether it was channeling or conscious clairvoyance or even novel uses of phenomena such as remote viewing, or quite frankly, even astro projection, whereby he felt that where we were in consensus was where the high level of the information was.
		Now there's other elements that go into it.
		For instance, Edgar Casey is probably the best documented psyche of the 20th century.
		And just the sincerity of his personality and the longevity of his particular career brings sort of impeccability to him.
		And in many ways, he's like the litmus test for many intuitives.
		Other intuitives do do work where they try to, for instance, they document the historical backgrounds of the entities that speak through, which then have implication for survival in the afterlife, et cetera, et cetera.
		But I think that, like any good consumerism, it's those intuitives who try to, if you will, create a community of individuals and then associate themselves with some of the more credible folks in the field, whether it's Dr. Kautz or the ARE.
		Those are the people who I think you can more or less rely upon who have put themselves past the litmus test involving the issue of whether it's real or whether it's memorex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real or memoricks.
		When we look at futurists, in some cases Casey did that kind of work, or we look at the Gordon Michaels scallion types or yourself, I too, I interview this wide range of people from Ed Dames in remote viewing and many, I guess, just about every other remote viewer, short of Ingo Swan, I need to get Ingo on.
		I've talked to everybody else, or whether I'm talking to Gordon or I'm talking to Daniel or I'm talking to so many others.
		Lori Toy is yet another.
		I could go on and on.
		I too find a commonality in what they believe.
		Some of them present the information in hard, scary form.
		Some are a little new agey and they suggest that, well, yes, there are some big earth changes that are pending and are upon us soon, but that it will be an uplifting spiritual experience for humanity.
		And they sort of ignore the fact that several millions, if not billions, will not be uplifted at all.
		They won't be around at all if these earth changes occur.
		And so there are sort of two approaches to disseminating the information, even though it seems kind of common.
		What do you have to say?
		Do you foresee earth changes coming?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we're amidst swimmingly right now seeing a great deal of the fulfillment of the Edgar Casey prophecies.
		The core prophecy being what I call the Atlantean phenomena, where Casey was, just as a social prophet, linked our dependency on technology to this specific period of time where there would be a crisis in the ecology.
		And if you look at, of course, the issues of global warming, if you look at unusual phenomena like El Niño, if you look at the abuse of different technologies, such as the dependency on things that expose us or make our culture vulnerable to things such as Y2K,
		that is all very, very much as though that we are souls from Atlantis, once again coping with the issue of our spirituality, our consciousness, and our flat-out dependency on such things as technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kevin, that's a good place to leave it.
		Hold it right there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		My guest is Kevin Ryerson.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast, A.M. A special back now to Kevin Ryerson.
		And Kevin, welcome back to the show.
		Thank you.
		Kevin, you sort of got up to a discussion of really Y2K and our technological dependence, and that we were probably, according to many people, in for a bit of a fall.
		Do you see that as a Y2K looming business at the end of the year?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I'm of the opinion that it's an authentic concern.
		And I think in particular things in the medical industry, communications, and of course, anything that's associated with military tie-ins are a concern.
		Now, fortunately, apparently some of those issues are being addressed.
		From my own sort of like consensus process, it appeared to be that one of the concerns would be is not as though that a collapse may occur universally, for instance, but more so that this particular bug may continue for some time past the January 1st deadline when it's supposed to kick in.
		I have been working with some people on what they feel might be one of the solutions if they can get the man hours to more or less bring about the programming, et cetera, et cetera.
		One of the things that probably will be the most sensitive is the grid systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the power city.
		Yes.
		Exactly.
		I have in front of me something entitled Y2K, What Can You Do or What To Do from the California Governor's Office of Emergency Services.
		And it's very interesting.
		They give the background of Y2K, suggest people begin preparations, talk about water storage, food storage, cooking, heating, refuse, medical care.
		You just mentioned that.
		Banking, communications, transportation, portable generators.
		I mean, they cover the whole thing.
		And so there are a lot of credible sources, including the U.S. Senate now, who are beginning to say things like the Americans should begin to take some prudent precautions for Y2K.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a true key.
		I think my own approach to it is not only in response to Y2K, but the implications for the human community in general is that it is not a bad thing to necessarily have this type of preparedness for several reasons.
		One, there have been a number of different disasters that have hit already, which I saw as sort of fulfillment of the Casey prophecy, such as the 89 quake in San Francisco, the heavy quakes that had occurred in Los Angeles, and even such things as El Niño bringing in mudslides, et cetera, et cetera, all of which can cripple any one of the different communities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, you mentioned global warming.
		There was a story airing on CNN over the weekend about Greenland, and they've been doing about a 10-year study on Greenland, and they are scared to death.
		The ice is retreating in Greenland at a frightening rate, they have just determined.
		They checked it about 10 years ago, and then the year after that, there was a little bit of a decrease, but then they just now checked it again.
		And the retreat of the ice in Greenland is frightening.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		It is because this in particular goes into the Edgar Casey prophecies, and even were things that Carl Sagan had expressed concern about.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		So every now and then, some of these two camps can come together and form a consensus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And the bottom line is that I wish Imanity had started acting on it, taking it a lot seriously, even for instance, even as Edgar Casey began to speak about it, because we had identified trends in pollution as far as early as the 50s, for instance, when the formal studies on smog began.
		And one of the keys is that people, for instance, who in Los Angeles were prepared when some of these wildfires hit or when the earthquakes hit, and people in particular, say, of religious values, such as the Mormons, with the enormous stores of food and preparedness they had, that when they did go off the grid system, which is a more common phenomenon than we acknowledge, they weren't up there in the hills, you know, protecting themselves like some group of survivalists or something.
		They immediately had the supplies to break out where they could help their neighbors and they could help cope with crisis instead.
		Our government is encouraging us to have this kind of preparedness, which is, in my opinion, the more humane approach to this entire process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have never, during my lifetime, heard our government officially tell Americans to prepare by storing food or whatever it is they're saying American people should be doing right now.
		I've never heard that.
		Now, I'm sure during the war there were such proclamations, but I was born just after the Second World War, so I've never heard that from our government.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		It's more localized, quite frankly, in communities that take the brunt of these things all the time, earthquake preparedness, hurricane preparedness.
		And they have never developed a national policy with the exception of STEMA, which unfortunately is more like a paramilitary solution.
		And this retreat of the ice is one of the key signs.
		It really puts such things as Europe, other coastal cities, et cetera, et cetera, in jeopardy.
		And when you have things like El Niño or when you have things like these extraordinary rainfalls where virtually the entire Mississippi River had reversed its course because it couldn't handle the swelling of its tributaries, including the Ohio River, which I'm indigenous to Ohio, was absolutely extraordinary.
		And once again, as a nation, we're able to recoup, we're able to recover.
		But I just find it extraordinary that with this kind of unfoldment and these kinds of climate changes, that just community preparedness on a universal standard and universal basis, which we know can be so helpful, when nature does become chaotic and we happen to be in the way of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that appears to be what's occurring right now.
		Nature appears to be getting chaotic.
		The jet stream, I read another little piece yesterday about the jet stream virtually touching the ground.
		They've had some incredible winds, which can only be accounted for, according to the weather people, by the jet stream virtually touching ground.
		And that's not all.
		We've got birds flying north that should be flying south.
		We've got birds dropping dead.
		We've got birds with deformities, frogs with deformities.
		We've got schoolchildren down in Australia who are required by law to wear hats because of the amount of ultraviolet radiation, because of the ozone hole.
		We've got a lot going on with the environment that is not good.
		I said this on Larry King the other day, and I've said it on my program, Kevin.
		In the old days of a piston-engine aircraft that crossed the Pacific, about halfway across the Pacific, because of the amount of fuel they would carry, a little red light would come on.
		They would say point of no return.
		I was in the old High and Mighty with John Wayne.
		And in my opinion, humanity's little red light came on a while ago.
		I mean, that means that you cannot go back.
		You're only going to go forward to your destination, or you're going into water, one of the two.
		But you're not going back to California.
		And I think that humanity's little red light came on a while ago, point of no return.
		So the world is not going to end, but I think we're headed for some kind of a change.
		And I'm not even an intuitive.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that many intuitives can agree with the position that what it is is that humanity cannot go on in the manner that it has.
		And the idea that the little red light comes on is an intriguing metaphor.
		Carl Jung, who underwent a personal transformation by out-of-body experience, by the way, and it became a real core in his psychology, used to monitor the dreams of his patients.
		And in them suddenly began to appear extraordinary visions of some type of global catastrophe that eventually he felt that the world had reached a point where the phenomena that came to be known as World War II was something that humanity had almost chosen to impose upon itself, although it had opportunities, if you will, for a sea change or a course correction.
		His final contributions to the field were twofold.
		One, he began to examine the phenomena of UFO sightings when they were first beginning to occur in the modern era, around between 47 and 49 at Mount Rainier.
		And he felt that that was hopeful in that as people have those types of visions, it's as though humanity's consciousness is reaching out and trying to come full circle in that we are reaching another level in our conscious evolution.
		Yaber also issued a cautionary note saying that there will come a time when humanity will have to face a crisis that supersedes even the destructiveness of war.
		This will probably be a crisis that will occur in the ecology that humanity's actions are accountable for.
		And that perhaps the thing that is hopeful in that is that it may very well be the moment in which humanity will finally be united.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, Kevin, we're kind of like the lobster in the slowly heating water.
		And only some now are realized are sort of people.
		That's just what we are.
		You know, not in total, of course, but a majority of the people don't have time to sit back and think about the larger ecological picture, for example.
		You know, they just don't have that time every day.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, interestingly enough, acknowledging these particular scenarios, and we can even look at the past at other civilizations as sort of precursors as to what's going on with humanity.
		I also think that there's a phenomena of intervention on the part of what we might refer to as that there is a spiritual process or a spiritual intervention.
		And I begin to see what I have come to label as the Jonah phenomenon.
		Jonah was the prophet in the Bible, in the Judeo-Christian Bible, who, although a reluctant prophet, went and prophesied the fall of a city.
		And yet the people in the city had repented the points that Jonah had pointed out about the quality of their lives.
		And Jonah, who was in a profound meditation when he returned 90 days later, thought that he had failed as a prophet because the city still stood and did continue to survive for a number of centuries.
		But God speaking to Jonah in a classic biblical sense, in, of course I'm paraphrasing, really sort of explained to him that he may have been the only successful prophet in the Bible in the sense that prophecy and prediction is so that humanity and human beings may have the opportunity to generate this kind of course correction that we're talking about here,
		that if that red light has come on, and I agree that may indeed be the case, you know, are there things inner sciences or in human behavior or human phenomenology that maybe says that we can create a sea change here?
		Or as Bucky Fuller said, is there a trim tap there that can bring the ship's state around?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I refer to Gordon Michael Scullion because I respect him greatly as an intuitive.
		And he has said to me many times that indeed prophecy is exactly as you just suggested.
		Most times it's not like you could lay all your money down on whatever an intuitive might say because it might be getting served up as a warning to produce some sort of spiritual reaction that would produce a course change.
		However, of late, even Gordon Michaelscallion has been saying that the visions he's been getting now appear to be irrevocable and irreversible, and that at some point you do get to a place where what's going to occur is going to occur,
		and all you can do is perhaps lessen the degree of the occurrence, but not stop it any longer once it has passed a certain point, or the little red light, however you want to think of it.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		That agrees very much with what we know from physics in the sense that it's almost like Schrödinger's cat, where it talks about that because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, we can't know where a particle is exactly in time and space without its losing its mass.
		You know, is it a wave or a particle?
		And in the experiment with Schrödinger's cat, he wanted to demonstrate that by putting a cat in a box with a Geiger counter and a toxic substance.
		And kind of like in a Rue Goldberg-like way, the Geiger counter triggers and spills the toxic substance, but the box being sealed, and we're not knowing exactly what is occurring inside the box on a quantum level, he is able to create a thought experiment that demonstrates that inside the sealed box is the cat is both alive and is both dead.
		And that not until we open the box and make an observation can we really tell which of those two competing probabilities has occurred within the specific time and space of that container.
		And I feel that we're reaching that critical point of observation for the planet as to which of these different competing sets of prophecies and predictions, or as they call it in science, probability fields, is more less coming into manifestation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, from your own intuitive abilities versus what you have studied from others, I guess, how am I going to phrase this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do your own intuitive abilities generally agree with the consensus?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I have participated directly in studies where we have mapped a multitude of different trends, a number of which I spoke to before, for instance.
		AIDS rising in prevalence, of course, is a classic concern because when you're speaking into an apocalypse, AIDS is certainly one of the more prevalent ones threatening the human population.
		And perhaps it's even a good model for what we're talking about because it is certainly present.
		It still continues to increase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Kevin, I got news the other day that presently, as of now, one in eight residents of Africa have AIDS.
		That's one in eight infected with AIDS.
		And if there's not a reversal, that continent is virtually going to die.
		There are going to be certainly portions of the continent that are going to be barren.
		Barren.
		No human beings.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like Nasr Damas' predictions about the depopulation of different countries.
		And, you know, it's, indeed, when you ask me about my own intuitive ability, we have been able to trace exactly these kinds of trends, which they sound remarkably like the trends that are in the classic book of the apocalypse, the Revelation.
		You have pestilence, you have earthquakes in diverse places, you have the issue of war and famine continuing to plague humanity, sort of draining its human resources that maybe it could be putting into the solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got a break here.
		We're at the top of the hour, so you get a good rest.
		When we come back, a lot of intuitives lately have been talking to me about our son.
		I want to ask about that.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		On Tuesday, this went out, by the way, to the Night Ritter newspapers.
		On Tuesday, a dangerous asteroid whizzed my Earth in a cosmic close call.
		Several near misses are expected on March 18th, March 26th, and April 1st.
		Astronomers are discovering potential killer asteroids now at a record pace.
		The public's flirtation last year, remember, in the movies, with fear of menacing space rocks fueled by two fictionalized movies and one very widely reported threat, has now faded, but the threat has not.
		Astronomers scanning the sky with new technology are finding substantial fresh evidence of real danger.
		They are almost weekly additions to their list of potentially hazardous asteroids.
		In 1998 alone, scientists found 55 of the would-be killers, more than the previous six years combined.
		Now the list is at 163 and growing.
		So as is usually the case, you always get it just after it's happened.
		On Tuesday, we had a close encounter, they say.
		Well, if on Tuesday it had hit, we obviously would have had no warning.
		I would jog you again with that.
		Kevin, welcome back.
		Okay.
		I have had a number of intuitives, some remote viewers, who have been telling me that our sun for some time has been the focus of a lot of their attention and that they expect something tough pretty soon from our sun.
		Have you heard anything at all about this from anybody?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I've heard over about the last 24 months concerns about everything from the sun's magnetic field to increased sunspot activity to possible increase in solar flares, et cetera, et cetera.
		There's a concern that maybe the sun's magnetic field is somehow becoming more unstable, almost reaching some type of zero-point effect where it may release higher amounts of radiation than usual, which with the Earth's already battered ozone layer per se,
		that I don't think it would be the equivalent of a coup de grace, but it would be something to be definitely concerned about if this is then confirmed through other sources, other, say, astronomical sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are entering in the next couple of years a solar maximum.
		And of course, we go through 11-year cycles or 22, depending on what you believe.
		The full cycle is 22, but every 11 years, we go through a cycle with the sun, and we are about to enter a maximum.
		But a lot of people seem to have concerns about the Earth's magnetic field.
		They see it beginning to occasionally wobble and change a little bit.
		And there's quite a substantial body of theory out there, Kevin, that should our magnetic field collapse or radically change, and the sun should have an ejecta, that virtually Israeli scientists,
		for example, believe the dinosaurs were not killed by some great rock that hit Earth, though that's certainly possible, but rather that the planet was virtually, instantaneously sterilized by radiation from the sun, and that there are catastrophic circumstances that occur from the sun from time to time.
		Now, that's not frequent from our mortal point of view, but it might account for a lot.
		And so I guess you've been hearing these things as well.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't wander too far afield, for instance, from the Agra-Casey prophecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Before our sciences about magnetic fields were even developed.
		In fact, if anything, you can trace the roots of his prophecies, some of which was most famous about the Earth flipping on its axis or the wobble in the Earth's axis continuing.
		It was not only the Earth's physical position shifting six degrees, it was specific references to the Earth's magnetic field that he was also addressing.
		This has roots in classical prophecies and predictions with Casey and was considered one of the key precursors as to when we would be entering into these times that we're conversing on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your sense that we are close?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think that we are, Art.
		And to me, the thing that fascinates me about this is, again, what I refer to: if we've reached that halfway point, what types of means of intervention is going to occur here if, as Jung said, there is this crisis in the ecology, as I pointed out, what I called the Jonah phenomena.
		Are there factors that can somehow moderate or modify, I think, what we're in consensus on as a crisis point as we go into this new millennium?
		There's cycles in nature, above all else, humanities, destabilizing the ecology.
		What I am curious about is what are the trends that people like Jung and Casey spoke to might be a moderating factor in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there, in your opinion, Kevin, really any significance to 2000?
		I mean, certainly when you consider the computer problems that may lie ahead, there's no question about it.
		But otherwise, the year 2000 is just another day.
		Really, there have been shifts in the calendar through the ages, and I don't think January 1st, 2000, the world is going to end, even though people march up and down the street with signs saying so.
		It's just another day, really.
		Or is there some spiritual significance to it aside from Y2K?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		With Y2K, you just have a classic botch of humanity trying to rob Peter to pay Paul, trying to save a little bit of extra bite on computers that then in turn just grows out like when you have that 16th inch of a carpet.
		When you lay it down, all of a sudden you've got four feet going up the other side of the wall.
		But the year 2000, or quite frankly, the idea of the millennium does have its roots in the concepts of the precession of the equinox.
		And with the precession of the equinox, you have a more than subtle shift of where the sun rises, for instance, in 2,000-year cycles as far as the progression astrologically, where the sun rises in the spring, fall, and winter equinox and solstice.
		So there is, if you will, a significant astrological and astronomical relationship that does occur in 2,174-year cycles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		2,174 years.
		Can you explain that so I can understand it?
		I know what the solstice is, spring and fall, but the procession, what do you mean by that?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you, it's really one of the things that makes an argument for esoteric civilizations such as Atlantis, for instance, the Sphinx, where Casey refers to as the Hall of Records being, Which he sees as a hope for humanity to be able to cope with these radical evolutionary changes that are occurring on the planet.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		The paws of the Sphinx are positioned exactly in alignment as to where the spring equinox would have occurred approximately 15,000 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, not just 4,000 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you happen to see the special on Fox with the opening of the tombs with Zahi Awass, Dr. Hawass?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure you heard Dr. Hawass.
		I have Dr. Hawass on tape.
		I was standing right at the back of the Sphinx with Dr. Hawass, and I had a video camera going.
		In fact, I should get that tape out and play it.
		And Dr. Hawass adamantly, just as he did in the Fox thing, said, there has never been art, one grain of sand, said Dr. Hawass, not one grain of sand that would lend any proof at all to the whole Atlantis concept or the fact that this is any older than we believe it to be.
		It was done by Egyptians' art.
		That's Dr. Hawas.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I could agree with him that it was done by Egyptians and Atlantis and Atlanteans per se.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		So you're not really, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't say Atlanteans.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would have to point out that you're not, there's a lot of pride on the part of indigenous peoples as to their accomplishments.
		And I don't think that you're demoting indigenous peoples by acknowledging that it may have been intercooperative with other cultures.
		And it's quite singular that the geology of the Sphinx confers upon it a greater age.
		Even the ARE's radiocarbon dating of the pyramid made it at least 1,000 years older than the oldest dates that they have for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And if they were dating mortar, it suggested they were dating a repair to the pyramid that had actually been spoken of in the Casey predictions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of this causes Zahiwants to go straight through the roof whenever you mention it to him.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know, he's a great storyteller.
		I mean, he looked great as kind of an Indiana Jones there when he was crawling around in the tombs.
		I admire that kind of diligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's hard to follow.
		I chased him around Giza myself and almost had my own heart attack.
		Now, watching that little gal and others chase him around was kind of humorous, reminded me of when I was there.
		You're right.
		He's kind of an Indiana Jones kind of guy.
		But I'll tell you this.
		If he made, this is my own personal belief, he'd really take me on for it, but if he made a discovery of really earth-shattering significance, trust me, it wouldn't be on Fox.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I would have to agree because the very tunnel that he spoke of that remained unexcavated, that he kind of courteously acknowledged, you know, when being challenged, the fact that everything that he has discovered, that he's speaking of as his greatest discoveries and his greatest adventures was described in intimate detail by Edgar Casey some 50 or 75 years before is rather extraordinary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, indeed, they have, through a penetrating x-ray, they have discovered that there is a tunnel that seemingly leads down at an angle from the Great Pyramid toward the left paw of the Sphinx.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's there.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And furthermore, there appears to be a chamber there where it's been suggested that when the spring equinox occurred and it would have aligned exactly between the paws of the Sphinx, it would have been just below the horizon line of the constellation Leo and the constellation Virgo.
		So it appears that the Sphinx is the equivalent of a star map.
		And in one of the legends, it talks about how Ra gave humanity a secret place, a secret place just below the place of the lion.
		And it's believed that if you look at that as a star map, because the Sphinx is a precise profile, and precise profile is exactly that, if you connect all the dots in the constellation, Leo, it's the precise profile of the Sphinx.
		So looking at that as a star map, it's the idea of what is called the Hall of Records and a source of hope for humanity in these challenging times, is right below the Sphinx where they have done these non-invasive forms of archaeology using ultrasonics and x-rays, et cetera, et cetera.
		And they have confirmed there is indeed a chamber there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you believe the pyramids are?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I believe them to be a very unique technology.
		We have gone to the pyramids multiples of occasions.
		I've traveled there myself with a group called Power Places Tours.
		I'm returning there with another group called the Intuition Network this September.
		And we're going to be exploring some of these issues.
		I believe them to be a type of what you might call a psionic type of technology that had a multitude of different functions.
		I believe it to be the equivalent of what you might now call a database in stone.
		I believe the way to access it is through intuitive states and that the pyramid itself and the extraordinary mathematics associated with it, for instance, if we had to send a single object into space to communicate with extraterrestrials, I believe the mathematics of the pyramid would probably communicate more about our planet than virtually any other type of object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is kind of a machine of some sort.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think it is indeed a technology.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		The term machine, you know, conjures up images of Newtonian mechanical devices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So most loosely used.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you aware that December 31st at midnight, Zahiwass, Dr. Hawass, is going to replace the gold capstone on the Great Pyramid?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have this comedic image that he's going to do that, and then suddenly, like, the Hall of Records will open up right underneath the feet when he does that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		I'm trying to decide whether I'd like to be there or not.
		Hold on, Kevin.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Kevin Ryerson is my guest.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Run in the Shadow.
		All right, back now to Kevin Ryerson.
		Kevin, you said you were in Egypt at Giza.
		Have you ever had the opportunity to go to the top of the Great Pyramid and lie in the sarcophagus?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, multiple loads of occasions.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we even had the opportunity to work under some instructions with the pyramid as the kind of technology that we spoke of before with some rather startling results.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you share those?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, if you like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like, yes.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we started out in the base of Egypt where we were going through the temples, which many people feel line up with the chakras in the human anatomy.
		And the climax was actually entering into the pyramid itself.
		Now, through my own intuitive process, it had been predicted that if we worked appropriately with the energies in the pyramid, we could have a demonstration of what was called climate control as to how the Atlanteans had worked with it.
		So we had taken instructions to work with certain ancient Egyptian hymnals, which break down into certain types of sound frequencies.
		And when actually lying in the sarcophagus and then causing it to resonate by striking the side of it with your fist, it resonates to a perfect pitch of A. And it's like a great drum.
		And then with the other types of meticulous types of chanting, quite similar to the kind of chanting that is done in Tibet, a rather remarkable phenomenon occurred.
		When we had entered the pyramid, the sky was perfectly clear.
		When we had come out of the pyramid about an hour or two later, as we were there to be able to be there privately, because it was after the park had closed, the plateau had closed, there was an extraordinary thunder and lightning storm that was entirely out of character with the climate at that time of the year.
		And later on, as we viewed it from the weather channel, the eye of this thunderstorm was directly over the capstone of the pyramid itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if Dr. Hawass was here, he would say, Kevin, what a wonderfully imaginative mind you have.
		I've spoken with Dr. Hawass so much, I know exactly how he would respond.
		I got the line in the sarcophagus myself, and I had an experience that I still really can't properly put words to.
		I felt something that resonated within every cell of my body, and that's about as close as I've been able to come to explaining to people what I felt as I was there.
		I did it kind of humorously.
		I first laid in there and kind of crossed myself as though I was a dead Egyptian.
		And then I stopped laughing and I started feeling.
		It was really strange.
		Well, anyway, listen, I've got a lot of calls, so let's see what's on the line, Kevin.
		The first time caller online, you're on the air with Kevin Ryerson.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Mr. Ryerson.
		Yes.
		I've been an aspiring young yogi here, and during my practice of the yoga, it's actually led me back to the Bible, God.
		And I was wondering, your intuitive powers, are you using yogi or the chakras, calming of the quiet, quieting the mind with the use of yogi, or how are you doing this?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the description of yoga, many people feel is actually contained within biblical scripture.
		For instance, Jesus uses the root word yoke on multiple occasions, even saying, put upon yourself my yoke or the yoke of the Christ.
		And the word yoga itself is derived from the term yoke, meaning to link the mind, the body, and the spirit, which is exactly parallels Jesus' teachings.
		Furthermore, he spoke of the importance of the body as a temple.
		He spoke about how the kingdom or the order of things is within the body.
		And my own intuitive process interprets the book of Revelations as a book of yoga, that the seven churches and the seven candlesticks and the seven seals are the seven chakras.
		And that as those energies are opened up, people reach either individual potential or they reach the collective potential that then becomes the fulfillment of the prophecy that the book is associated about.
		So yoga is very much part of the intuitive development process.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Kevin Ryerson.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is Greg in Elkhall, in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just wanted to say how sorry I am about your friend Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'm going to be sending a lot of positive energy his way.
		Thank you.
		There are some great mentions of Richard's work in your book, The Source 2, which I really liked a lot.
		Kevin, how are you this morning?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		I have a question that kind of relates from a topic that one of Art's guests had discussed, the late Speaking Wind, who I have a lot of respect for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Native American who was on my program, who spoke a great deal, by the way, about weather modification, who had himself a massive heart attack and died.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Speaking, what I'm referring to is that Speaking Wind had mentioned that there would be an amount of great depression which would be caused by possibly, correct me if I'm wrong, by the alignment of planets.
		And it leads into my question, which is this, Kevin.
		Do you have a take on our nation's young people and the hopelessness, which I believe would be led to by depression in this day and age that they do feel?
		And because of these feelings of hopelessness, the terrible acts that they do act out upon at times because of these feelings?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, part of what I think that we need to include in programs like these is some of the patterns of hope that can emerge for the future for young people, because these are very trying times, not only for us veterans who have been around for a while, but in particular for the forthcoming generation.
		They sure are.
		And one of the hopeful trends that I point out is that one of the most advanced spiritually, in my opinion, one of the most rapidly growing schools of thought in the world is the private school movement of the Waldorf schools that had been founded by Rudolf Steiner, who was sort of a Judeo-Christian mystic contemporary of Edgar Casey.
		And people who find that when they put their children in either these schools or open them very early up to their fundamental spirituality, that these become almost like whole new human beings and that they're extremely resilient and they're able to resist some of the types of peer pressures that are put so much on children in our urban centers.
		And that to me is a very, very hopeful trend.
		And I think that as we continue to make progress and maybe as this kind of information gets out there in one of ART's largest constituency is both the 20-somethings and younger folks.
		They kind of have ART bell parties listening to these kinds of things.
		And so maybe we can reverse some of this kind of conflicts that exist in our society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be nice.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air with Kevin Ryerson.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in South Minn, Indiana.
		This is a settler.
		I was going to ask Mr. Ryerson, see, for a while I've been listening about five years, and I was thinking about, you know, an ABC suit that's atomic, biological, and chemical.
		And now I've been thinking about maybe I could buy a NASA space suit with, I don't mean to be flip about this, with air conditioning and all that to, you know, negate the radiation and whatever else might come my way, you know, just for survival purposes.
		And there are so many potentials with, well, like up in Canada, they found a species of butterflies that only existed in like, well, Midwest America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is a little flip into Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, it is a little flip in the sense that if something happens to the environment that is really serious, if you have a spacesuit, you have an extra few hours.
unidentified		Well, Art Bell said it might be a few days, or not Art Bell, I mean, Ed Dames.
		I'm sorry, Art Bell.
		Ed said this might only last a few days, and the temperature is going to grow up drastically.
		I think our greatest threat is from the volcanology that's occurred in the past, which, by the way, I'm pretty well read.
		And I've heard that some of the dinosaurs died, mainly from the earth upheavals, about 15,000 to 20,000 years ago, according to Casey.
		That's something to think of too.
		I mean, if they could kill dinosaurs, well, you know, there's been volcanic eruptions over in Africa that released cyanide gas, I believe, or certain sources of dioxide gases for 200,000 people.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole issue of volcanology and the changes that are occurring, although I think you said it with serious intent, one of the things we do have to point out is that because of the lowered human immunology, there are people who are living in spacesuits on a daily basis because they are so sensitive to these radical abuse of the ecology in the form of these kinds of earth changes,
		these really deep volcanic changes which are probably occurring due to the Earth's warming.
		And there are people who have to live their lives on a daily basis in some type of containment suit or containment chamber because they have absolutely no immunity to these radical events in the ecology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that there has been an overall lowering of immunity systems worldwide?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think that that is a very, very well-documented trend.
		I think that that's very well medically accepted.
		I mean, it's nothing more than just the stress of modern living, which we know lowers the immune system and the T cell counts.
		But furthermore, because of issues like AIDS, this is for the first time that we have really recognized this as a crisis in humanity.
		But one of the things that's also intriguing is that it does appear that humanity does respond to these kinds of stresses because with the mapping of the human genome, they have noticed, for instance, that there are certain peoples who have almost what are like dormant genetic qualities that are now beginning to emerge that maybe is somehow a genetic reversal of some of the stresses that have been placed on the human system.
		One is a group of people, for instance, who can actually synthesize vitamin C. And that apparently is existent in all of our genetic pattern, but it is part of the dormant gene pool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, do you see that as the continuing process of evolution?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		And that's why I'm hopeful that even as Jung said, there's this crisis in the ecology, it's the fact that we are getting larger and larger audiences of people to begin to look and to cause shifts in their thinking.
		You know, human evolution in relationship to the environment was well documented by people like Jeffrey Goodman in his book, We Are the Earthquake Generation, where he studied the climate changes out here in the southwest where I'm at, of the ancient Pueblo people and the Anastasi people,
		and found that when humanity was at a high spiritual point with high psychic activity, the climate reflected a real abundance of food and resources, and the human population expanded.
		However, when they abandoned those principles, it's almost as though the climate responded in kind, and basically extremely harsh droughts, earthquakes then displaced these very, very highly evolved spiritual civilizations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something that a caller Said that just haunts me and haunts me.
		And so I'm sorry if I keep repeating it to my audience, but a caller called me and said, Hey, Art, it's like Earth is getting mad at us.
		And I thought about that for a second.
		I said, No, Earth doesn't get angry, Earth gets even.
		And even that implies some sort of consciousness, which I'm not so sure about.
		But what I think is, Kevin, that when we put nature out of balance, the Earth itself, its environment, its ecosystem, its closed system, simply responds to correct that balance.
		Now, a casual observer might think Earth is getting angry at us, but she's not really getting angry.
		She's just sort of restoring a balance.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I would 100% agree with that statement.
		Rupert Sheldrake's what is called morphogenic field theories, or the idea of the Gaia effect, the idea of the Earth as a living organism, is receiving a great deal more credence nowadays as we look at this crisis in the ecology.
		And even biblically speaking, it says, you must keep the laws of the prophets, lest the earth itself spew you forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you say to right-wing religious fundamentalists whose view is that the earth and all that is on it was put here for our exploitation, our use, and that politically, as you well know, there is a large movement in this country to debunk at all costs anybody who might talk about changes that we need to make to begin to make corrections in our environmental situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a very, very strong political lobby against anything of that sort.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree.
		There is an attempt to repress what I consider some of the more progressive type of thinking that could lead to a much more hopeful scenario if it comes out and becomes part of the mainstream values.
		The Institute of Noetic Sciences has done a hopeful demographics of what appears to be an emerging demographics of what is called the cultural creatives.
		These are people who draw their values, for instance, from what they consider to be authentic in relationship to the ecology, authentic in relationship to what they see working in our democratic institutions and want to bring about massive reform.
		And that they're in juxtaposition to the more traditionals who draw only upon fundamentalist religious belief systems.
		So they trace the demographics that this is about 35 to 45 million people voting age, and that they, but what they need to do is to become more conscious of themselves as a demographic force.
		So in addressing the issue about right-wingers and stuff, first of all, humorously, I'd like to go on the record that in spite of Mr. Fowlwell's best statements, I don't think that Tinky Winky, for instance, is the antichrist.
		And I did take offense at some of the anti-Semitic implications in some of his statements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's been making some absolutely remarkable statements lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just things that blow you away.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		It is rather remarkable.
		And I think that what it is, it has to do with the fraying of that particular demographics as that they have run the course of any ideas that they may have had per se, and that there is a new demographics emerging out there.
		And if it can have these kinds of effects, that newly emerging demographics that Jeffrey Goodman was able to document so excellently, perhaps we ourselves have reached a crisis that the ancestors have known about, whether it's the Anastasia or whether it is the builders of the pyramid, that the past maybe is the precursor to the future, and that we have something to learn from those ancestors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to lighten up on my statement a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many in the religious community who view said in the Bible as a mandate to be good custodians of what is here.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is very different.
		But there's a large radical group, unfortunately, that is pushing politically with some great success to subvert any attempts at change to correct the environment.
		And that's who I was talking about.
		West of the Rockies, you're on here with Kevin Ryerson.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		All right.
		Yes, this is actually, I'm east of the Rockies, but your East of the Rockies number doesn't work up here north of Toronto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got through on the West of the Rockies line in Toronto.
unidentified		Yes, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		That's resourceful.
unidentified		North of Toronto, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, whatever it takes, you made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question?
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Ryerson.
		I was just wondering, what is it like when you have these visions or is it like an apparition?
		Does it come to you in a dream?
		Is it just a feeling that you get?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A subtle feeling or a specific vision, Kevin?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, in meditation, it can be a specific vision.
		In particular, if you form a question first, which is like what the Socratic method says, is that if you form the right question, more than likely the right answer is already within you.
		And through meditation, you have the ability of forming a very specific inquiry, and then you have an episode of direct knowing.
		Now, myself, I am a practice petitioner of what's called Anja Yoga, which it is the belief that the mind or the intellect can be an equal tool for bringing together the spirit and the body.
		So in my particular case, when I am experiencing what's called a conscious clairvoyant episode, it is like a very clear, comprehensive body of knowledge that I did not necessarily take into the rational critical process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it's not a fuzzy concept you're plucking from what you're feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is an absolute knowing.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		It is comparable to Einstein's insight of seeing light or his theory of relativity as a horse coming down on a beam of light.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And it just took him 10 years to work out the math.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		All right, Kevin, hold on.
		Are you good for another hour?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hey, I'm ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Kevin Ryerson is my guest.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		He has a good deal.
		Faster connections.
unidentified		anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Kevin Ryerson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, welcome.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And lots of people want to talk to you, so here we go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Kevin Ryerson.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Dawson in Memphis at AMWREC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And, Kevin, you were talking about the...
		Thank you.
		You were talking about the pre-cession of the equinoxes.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And being 2,174 years.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, in Graham Hancock's book, Fingerprint of the Gods, he said in order to make the math work that the ancients had planted in mythology all over the world, the figure 2,160, mainly because it's divisible by 9, and it made their math easier.
unidentified		Did you know that that number 2,160 has also been hidden in Genesis?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I have heard quite a number of different frameworks of reference on that.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Jim Hurtach in his book, The Keys of Enoch, in conversations I've had with him, has made mention of this.
unidentified		What happened, Joseph Campbell, they were running a PBS program, and he mentioned that a German scholar had worked a math out for the Great Cycle in the Patriarch's ages.
		And he didn't give any specifics.
		So I sat down and I went and I took a look at it.
		And the Patriarchs, as you know, have very long ages anyway.
		And Enoch, having lived 365 years, that should be a clue that it could be some hidden math in there anyway.
		Okay.
		But I found out if you take all the patriarchs to when they begot their sons and add it up, you get 1556.
		Okay.
		Now you have to add another 100 years in there because it's 100 years further till the flood.
		And Graham had said the precession math is very often hidden with flood stories.
		Okay.
		That'll give you 1656.
		Now, let's see.
		I won't follow what I've got written down here.
		You have to multiply this by Enoch's total age, which is 365.
		You get a total number of days.
		It would be 604,440.
		However, you've left out leapier days.
		You take the 360 degrees of a circle, which all this stuff is tied with, add that to it, you get 604,800.
		To get weeks, you divide it by the seven heavenly bodies that we name the days of the week after.
		This will give you 8,640.
		And you divide this again by the mnemonic, which is the 40 days and nights of the flood, and you get 2,160.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate that information, but my reaction to that is that, boy, oh boy, you can make any number happen if you have enough reference points and you can name enough things and you can make any number mean anything.
		Now, I don't mean to take anything away from what he just said, but sheesh, I could take Bill Clinton's birthday and Monica's date of birth, and before you know it, I could end up with, I could date the pyramids or something or another.
		Any comments on all that?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think the idea of sacred mathematics is fascinating.
		Like I said, Einstein saw the whole theory of relativity as a horse coming down a beam of light, and then he knew that he could use the speed of light as a universal standard.
		But even now, we know that the speed of light perhaps in new mathematics, using some of the theories of Tella can perhaps be superseded and may not be a universal standard at all.
		So even what we consider to be standards in physics itself that we base our sciences on have some flexibility.
		But one thing we do know is that in relationship, for instance, to say some of the sacred math proposed by the pyramid, is that just the division of its measurements of the base doesn't get to derive some of the numbers that he was mentioned contained in Genesis.
		So it's rather intriguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on air with Kevin Ryerson.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi.
		This is Karen in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Karen.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have several points in the Casey material I'd like Kevin's special perspective on.
		I could.
		Go.
		All right.
		Casey mentioned at one time that the original fall of man was in the realm of spirit and that later what came in the flesh came after that.
		Also, he said like attracts like.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in 1998, the Christ consciousness would return here.
		And in a dream, he interpreted himself as returning here by the end of this present century.
		Can you tell me anything about these?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, just to clarify a little bit, he talked about how originally, you know, we were in spirit and then that we are really spiritual beings.
		In other words, our origins are as beings of energy or consciousness, and that we are here as spiritual beings to experience the physical, that we're not physical beings trying to be spiritual.
		This is all, of course, contained within the basis of Genesis before.
		But in the simplest form, it's the idea of souls we have incarnated through reincarnation as expressed in Hinduism and Buddhism, that we are evolving our consciousness towards a point where we become aware of our own spiritual potential.
		And that in one of the Casey readings, it was suggested that this return of what we call the Christ is a collective awareness of our own individual and humanity's potential to become children of God,
		which simply means that if God is love and that is what we are, that that can be one of these more hopeful paths that we have in this period of testing that Casey talked about that we've more than alluded to earlier in this program.
unidentified		All right, and as far as Casey himself returning by the end of this century.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Edgar Casey, in his classic vision, saw himself as a young man sometime between 1999 and possibly the vision was as late as 2015, as being in some type of craft that sounded remarkably like some type of technology associated with extraterrestrials.
		And he had his classic vision of the Earth with the Earth changes that, again, we discussed in some detail earlier in the program.
		Now, whether or not that means that he is physically incarnate or whether that means that as a soul he was viewing the planet's direction or fate based on the predictions he was given is still open to some interpretation.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		And Art, lots of love to Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Kevin Ryerson and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Pray Joe?
unidentified		I'm in Texas.
		Okay.
		I would like to send, first of all, I would like to send you some pictures, Art, of some ancient building stones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can do that by mail or email.
unidentified		Which are from, I think, the original Atlantis.
		These stones are, give me an example, the heaviest one is 750 cc's.
		Where are they located?
		It's somewhere near Texas.
		That's all I can say now.
		750 cc's, and they weigh 5 pounds and 6.5 ounces, and they're man-made stones.
		Okay.
		I'll watch your mail, and I'll get a set of pictures off to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question for Kevin Ryerson?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		In the Atlantis, the research that he's done in Atlantis, does he have any estimate as to the age of the Atlantis?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do I have any estimates?
		In the channelings, in most esoteric histories, you must have remembered Atlantis had several phases to it.
		The classic Atlantean period that Casey addresses, which culminated around, say, about 10,000 to 12,000 B.C., places that classic Atlantean period is around 25,000 years.
		But before that, Casey traces the history of Atlantis back at least 240,000 years and then traces the precursor civilization of Lemuria back almost a million years before that.
		And we do now have some anthropological evidence suggesting very, very, very advanced achievements on the part of humanity and perhaps even much more advanced concepts of human evolution dating back to those periods of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would fall into the category of forbidden archaeology.
		And there certainly is a lot of it.
		In other words, there have been a lot of finds made that don't fit into what archaeologists and scientists believe about us.
		And so they just sort of, when they find something like that, they don't present it.
		And the people who do present it generally suffer loss of their careers.
		Are you aware of that?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		Intriguingly enough, even traditional anthropology is being put under a lot of pressure.
		A fellow intuitive of mine, his name was Abrahamson, actually had pressed back the arrival of humanity here in the North American continent by some almost 25,000 years by a classic site found as Flagstaff.
		And he was sponsored by Jeffrey Goodman.
		And that is now actually accepted as the new carbon dating as to how long human beings have been here in the North American continent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on here with Kevin Ryerson.
		Top of the morning to you.
unidentified		Hi, this is Kathy.
unidentified		I'm calling from Palmdale, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kathy.
unidentified		And how are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a rough night, rough day.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		Things will get better.
		They always do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it is said.
unidentified		Yes.
		I do have a question about the pyramids.
		And I do have a second question, also unrelated.
		Go ahead.
		First of all, do we know when the gold top was first removed from the pyramids?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		You mean when was the capstone lost?
		Yes.
		It's interesting.
		It's been suggested that it may have been there as late as some of the early Greek influences.
		There are recordings of it and descriptions of it.
		The other thing is that there were descriptions that there may have actually been not only the gold capstone, but other types of capstones.
		One suggested being made of lapis and perhaps one made of quartz.
		But it appears that it may have actually disappeared fairly late within the historical game plan, being there as late as around the time period of the birth of Jesus.
		And we do know that most of the limestone was stripped off during the building of some of the mosques by the Islamic faith.
unidentified		And in replacing this cap, do they feel that the pyramid is going to do something, so-called turn into a machine and do something, or no one has any idea for things not being said?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think that the gentleman who's putting the capstone on looks at it is strictly a pleasing sort of aesthetics or a pleasing type of sort of publicity stop per se.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it has a dignity to it because it's kind of cool that it'll be up there again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of like your earlier answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow I envision Zahi going up there and finally placing it on top of the pyramid, and all of a sudden you hear this giant rock shifting and sand pouring.
unidentified		Something begins.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly the hall of records blazes to life.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Then my second question, very quickly, I have a very good friend, Margaret, and I've known her a little almost a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And our relationship has grown very strong, and it's very funny because it doesn't scare me.
		I find it very interesting.
		What doesn't scare you?
		A lot of times our thoughts are the same.
		We'll be watching something or listening to something, and we will blurt out the same exact words at the same moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called synchronicity or perhaps something else.
		Who knows?
		We'll try and address that if we can.
		Synchronicity is in itself a fascinating topic.
		Kevin Ryerson is my guest.
		You might get a pencil and paper because I'm going to give him a chance to promo anything he wants when we get back after the break.
		He's been such a good soldier.
		This is Coast to Coast, A.M.I. Mart Bell.
		There you have it.
		Back now, quickly to Kevin Ryerson.
		No, wait a minute.
		I've got to get my break done, don't I?
		If I don't do that, they get very, very upset with me.
		I'll get out a pencil and paper because Kevin Ryerson, I'm going to try and get him to promote whatever he would like.
		Storable food.
		Let me promote that a little bit.
		Y2K?
		Weather changes, whatever you want to consider.
		I would say that storable food is a good idea.
		Our Senate says it.
		The California Governor's Office of Emergency Services says it.
		Just about everybody is saying it.
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		Do what you can.
		But do it.
		In other words, do your own investigation, if you wish, into Y2K, and I think you will come to your own conclusions about what you should be doing.
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		Give them a shout, even at this time of the morning, and the information will come down and intellectually chew it over and decide what you're going to do.
		Again, the J. Michael Stevens group, if you're thinking about storable food, think about J. Michael Stevens.
		1-800-377-0700.
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unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you'll enjoy it.
		They're making leaps and bounds of improvement in the newsletter.
		And it really is getting very, very sharp.
		So if you would like After Dark, call 1-800-917-4278.
		Now, Kevin, you've been such a good soldier tonight.
		Do you have a book or an email address or a contact piece of information that you would like to give out or promote?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to inform people that, one, they can reach me at my website, which you graciously had put on your own there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, we have a link, yes.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And it's www.kevanriers.com.
		We update that all the time.
		People could write me if they like at Ryerson at excite.com.
		And we constantly update programs.
		And if people wanted to, they could reach us personally and get a voice at the other end of the line at 415-356.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Women, 415, I'm getting a lot in a short time here.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		415-356.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		9887.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		9887.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And we could then update people on various programs that we're doing.
		I like the term Think Globally, Shop Locally.
		There's a program that I'm doing with the organization of which I'm on the board of directors of.
		It's called the Intuition Network.
		Dr. Jeffrey Mishluff, who you had on the program, is the president of that.
		And we are taking a group of people to Egypt in September, and that's with Power Places Tours.
		And that would be one of our global events.
		And people will have that opportunity to experience private time inside the Great Pyramid in the very sarcophagus that we were speaking of before.
		They can explore what their own sensations would be.
		I'm personally taking a group to Scotland in the summer months.
		And we will be basing out of the Finhorn community, which to me is exciting because I look at it because it's famous for its gardens with its flowers that grew in winter.
		But I like to think of it as a community that its architecture was built by angels.
		And we're going to be going to make Olympic sites very comparable to Stonehenge.
		As to the shop locally, I encourage people to really look for the resources in their own community.
		In my work with Shirley, one of the things that Shirley was most excited about of what now has become sort of like a new age icon was the Bodhi tree in Los Angeles, which has now become a major resource community.
		And I encourage people to just look for what Buckminster Fuller called those trim tab in their own community.
		The trim tab is that little rudder that turned around the rudder that can bring around the whole ship of state.
		Just in Santa Rosa, California, I just made an appearance at a wonderful little store.
		It was called the Opened Heart.
		And the people there, for instance, are very, very dedicated to a lot of the principles that we're talking about in turning around some of the types of events that we're talking about and trying to get people in touch with their inner resources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And again, your email address, we should spell it for people in case they don't know how to spell your name.
		Your email address is Ryerson.
		That's R-Y-E-R-S-O-N at excite.com.
		Ryerson, R-Y-E-R-S-O-N at excite.com.
		All right.
		Back to the phones we go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Kevin Ryerson and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good evening, Art and Kevin.
		First, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Yeah.
		I was on my cell phone, so I thought I might have went out.
		Well, I have a question for the guests.
		First of all, I wanted to say I'm praying for Richard, and the world's a much more interesting place with him in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		And, okay, I guess my question, I'll try to make it, I'll sum up the story quick, and it's a question for your guests.
		But in the Old Testament, there's a story where Abraham cut some cattle and some different animals.
		He cut them in half, and then he went to sleep, and a darkness came over him.
		He was really afraid.
		But then a smoking pot flew through the pieces to sort of sum it up.
		And I always sort of thought that maybe if there's a connection between cattle mutilations and maybe UFOs, where the smoking pot that flew through the pieces that Abraham cut up was maybe what he thought was God.
		And maybe the cattle mutilations today are a sign of some sort similar to what he did.
		And I wonder if your guest has ever thought anything about that or if he's ever heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's go any further.
		Sure, let's ask.
		Cattle mutilations are a modern phenomenon that has certainly not been answered.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's a fascinating interpretation, and certainly there's no lack of arguments, some of them quite well made, that events seen in the Bible could be easily interpreted as close encounters of the multiple kind.
		In particular, the most impressive to me is, of course, Ezekiel's wheel, which when studied for its aerodynamics and its interpretations, makes a rather remarkable argument for such contacts being made by ancestors.
		I look at what we call the cattle mutilations, if you look at them as almost more like surgical explorations on the part of whomever may be doing it in the form of extraterrestrials.
		We have become so dependent, for instance, on this as a main food staple, I could almost see them as sort of taking samples of it throughout all the ages to sort of see what it is that we're doing to ourselves in the form of a major source of nutrition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on here with Kevin Ryerson and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Kevin.
		You were saying that roughly 13,000 years ago was when the Sphinx was created and that it aligned with the constellation Leo.
		Yeah.
		Leo Virgo.
		Yeah.
		And would that be the Atlantean Age was before that time, but sort of ended at that time?
		Let's see.
		Like right now we're entering the age of Aquarius and then that's 180 degrees from the constellation Leo.
		So would we be entering the new Atlantean age?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Quite interesting.
		The precession of the equinoxes seems to suggest that indeed there's a correlation between human behavior and advancements in civilizations.
		And the Sphinx, theoretically, according to the esoteric history, would have been built about 2,000 years or so just before Atlantis was finally submerged, according to the Casey readings.
		And I think that we are approaching what is called the age of Aquarius.
		And rather than the Piscean age, where these things are more an issue of faith, it's the idea that all these types of sciences that we are now discovering and being advanced by people, for instance, such as Richard Hoagland, is that it is now time for us to know these things,
		that we need to look at these things as psychic sciences that we can practice openly into society rather than these things being regulated or held back by mystery schools or like there's some types of psychic industrial secrets.
unidentified		Oh, like the age of Aquarius would mean that like the secrets, like Pisces is sort of secretive and then hidden.
unidentified		And then Aquarius, everything opens up, so we'll be opened up to this sort of Atlantean knowledge.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I would say that's correct, and I would say that we're pretty much right on schedule, and all we have to do is make certain that we don't go through the same type of errors in allowing our dependence on technology to outstrip our psychic sciences and or our spirituality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Kevin Ryerson and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like another portable call on a cell phone.
unidentified		Unfortunately, yes, I have a very long drive and listen to you on my drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have to admit, I didn't hear much of the show, but I did hear the notions that our actions and our spirituality and our lack thereof affect the way the world reacts, and the world, the earth, and of course the surrounding ecosystem reacts to our actions in those manners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I really don't think that that can really be held forth.
		And for a couple of reasons.
		One is simply the age of this rock.
		Too many upheavals, too much history in the earth before there was a spiritual being anywhere near it.
		You know, three and a half billion years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's always been change.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But I mean, and it managed to do it all by itself without us having to, you know, can I interject on it positively or negatively to trigger it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pause for a second.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		If I can interject, the idea that there's natural forces in nature independent of consciousness, I would suggest what you need to do is to examine such things, for instance, say, such as the Hindu mythologies, where they taught that Brahma sleeps and Brahma awakens, which was approximately a 14 billion year cycle.
		And that is part of the Hindu creation mythology.
		And you can't really get caught up in the poetry, for instance, of the 6,000-year epic described in the Judeo-Christian Bible.
		And so really what you're looking at is not incarnate consciousness, but you're looking at the idea of infinite consciousness in the form of the creative force at work here.
		And even Carl Sagan was fascinated with the Hindu creation myths, which he said that if there was a deity at work or a consciousness at work, those indeed would describe it most accurately because it does match what we know about the physical age of the universe.
unidentified		Right, right.
		And one other thing, and this is something I'm not fixing on you personally or individually, because I believe in conservation and do quite a bit to try to put the world in the pristine state or as pristine a state as I possibly can.
		But I believe there's a lot, I guess I would call it on the left wing of this type of thing, on the opposite side of the right-wing religious groups who are saying that, you know, trying to pull down the ecological movement, is that I think it's maybe a little on the arrogant side to presume that we can really affect the earth in any real significant way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Color, color, color, hold on.
		Your point is well taken.
		There is extremism on both sides.
		However, I think you are correct that it is arrogant of us to presume that we could destroy the world.
		We will not destroy the world.
		It was here long before we began to walk upon it.
		It will be here.
		Wait, it will be here long after we no longer walk upon it.
		What we can do, what humanity can do, is to ruin our chances to continue to walk on the earth.
		After we're gone, it will continue to go around.
unidentified		Right.
		So basically, we're not.
		I guess it's a terminology thing that kind of grates me a little bit because it plays on the fears that really.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I think your points are very legitimately taken, and believe me, I accept the arguments that you make, in particular about the need of humankind to show a little humility in relationship to the age of the planet, in the sense, you know, that we have been here maybe consciously, even by esoteric history, say, about a million years, which is just a drop in the bucket.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		And I think that humanity needs to show some humility in relationship to the awesome responsibility of being here on the planet.
unidentified		There you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Kevin Ryerson.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Brother R. Kevin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		In Tucson, Arizona.
		Okay.
		The Holy Spirit in me bows to the Holy Spirit in thee.
		I wish, just as a precept here, at the 20-year level of my engineering career, I went out and lived in seclusion in the desert for seven years.
		In between, I did go to India and spend two turns of five months deep, deep into the Himalayas at the 19,000 to 22,000 foot level with Illumined Masters up around Simla.
		And additionally, I have been around the world many times.
		I spent nine years in the Air Force flying.
		I've been around the world many times.
		And so some of these other tours during that seven-year period where I spent with deep spiritual mystical teachers in all of major world religions gave me even deeper insights to many things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Based on all that, do you have a question?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		I was wondering, Kevin, have you ever been to a Kumba Mela?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		A Kumbha Mela?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I've had that honor.
unidentified		Okay, I think, you know, with your understanding of the Hindu tradition, every 12 years they have this spiritual festival that is never advertised and held in the Himalayan city of Hardwar.
unidentified		This is the period of time that the great masters come out of caves, forests, and wherever they may be, and then assemble into Hardwar and to share the teachings and so on with the populace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all very interesting.
		We're so short on time.
		I'm glad it was at least something decent because I was afraid for a second, Kevin, that you were going to suggest you'd never had that honor.
		And it might turn out to be a situation where you get placed in a pot and cooked by some locals somewhere.
		Listen, we are absolutely out of time, Kevin.
		It has been such a pleasure having you on the air.
		I want to have you back.
		I also would love, dearly love, to get Shirley McLean on the air.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I'll put in a good word for you.
		I'll put in a good word for you.
		She's currently working on a film, and she's a little busy right now, but as I said, she still holds very, very keen interest in these types of issues we've discussed here this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps when she's done with her film, I usually have to catch Authors between books and film stars between films.
		That's just the way it goes.
		And I understand how it is when you're doing a film, you're busy virtually from dawn until far after dusk, and it's hard work.
		Kevin, what a pleasure it has been to have you on.
		One more time, folks.
		If you'd like to email Kevin Ryerson, it's simply Ryerson, R-Y-E-R-S-O-N, at excite.com, and you can bet we'll have you back again.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		I've enjoyed being on the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Kevin Ryerson, folks.
		And the Age of Aquarius, yep.
		Yes, it's on the way.
		Hope it's on the way.
		Hope it comes in gently.
		I'm Art Bell.
		is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		And we survive our sand and land in the sand.
		This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, age of Aquarius, Aquarius, Aquarius.
		Comedy and understanding, empathy and trust about it, and the process of what you see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Tom Halleck.
unidentified		Is your hair thinning?
unidentified		Are you losing your hair?
kevin ryerson ▲ ● ▼		Are you afraid of going bald?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you tried just about everything to prevent it?
unidentified		You're missing this at least.
		I fell show.
		I fell show on Hush Talk 1051.
		I could read your mind, love.
		What a tale your thoughts could tell.
		Just like a paper-batten novel, the kind of drugs don't sell.
		When you reach the part where the heartaches come, the hero would be me.
		The hero of the day.
		You won't read that book again Because the ending's just too hard to take The end's just too hard to take
		To Tauntwood Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from east of the Rockies, dial 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico.
		1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222.
		And you may call ART on the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295.
		To reach Art from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA, then 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Kind of a rough morning in a lot of ways.
		I don't know if you have the news on Richard Hogan.
unidentified		If you could read my mind, Love, what a tale my thoughts do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's had a massive heart attack in Miami.
unidentified		Just like an old-time movie.
unidentified		Out of Golden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's facing surgery this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll keep you updated as best we can, but the situation is very serious.
unidentified		The home might be mine, the story always ends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, it's been a rough year or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There'll be so many people that I know.
unidentified		So many people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to do open lines for an hour.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		There's enough news, certainly.
		Joe DiMaggio, passing of Joe.
		Stanley Cubra, gone.
		I guess nothing is sure about taxes and change and death.
		Or is that taxes and death?
		But that's all change, huh?
		We'll be right back.
		Stay right there.
		Would you like to stop the nagging pain of arthritis?

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