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Feb. 18, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - William Thomas - Chemtrails - Richard C. Hoagland - Miami Circle

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	And then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
	Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
	I always sing these in my memory songs when the universe is cold.
	you You're about to take a ride, all right.
	I want to warn you.
	What you're about to hear may scare you, and it may make you very angry.
	If you don't want to hear it, it involves the allegation that Americans are being sprayed from the air.
	I repeat, sprayed from the air.
	My guest is William Thomas.
	He's an author and an investigative journalist, and he's really on to a hot one.
	So I warn you again, this is going to be scary, and it's going to make you angry.
	And if you don't want to get scared, you don't want to get angry, and you have children in the room, get them out.
	And if that's you, turn the radio off now.
	Because you're about to take a ride.
	From the Kingdom of Nile, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. Now again, here's Art.
	Just in case you're joining right now, ladies and gentlemen, we won in Miami.
	I repeat, we won in Miami.
	Breaking news, the Miami-Dade County Commission has just voted 10 to 1 to file the eminent domain lawsuit to save the Miami Circle.
	A county mayor, Alex Pinellas, went to court and got a judge to issue a temporary restraining order preventing the developer, Michael Baumann, from any construction or excavation whatsoever on the site.
	The Miami Circle is saved.
	And you, all of you, helped and you did that.
	And that is a non-trivial thing that you just did.
	You have a right to be proud of yourself.
	And for all of you who even gave it a positive thought, You all have a right to be proud of yourselves.
	It is truly a non-trivial, uh, event.
	And we can all say we have a little bit more spiritual nature to us tonight than we had.
	And to Michael Bauman, who's probably been through hell on a stick, I would say thank you, Michael.
	In a moment, we're gonna be talking about contrails, and you're probably not going to like it.
	Tell you something, tomorrow night we're gonna have Gary North here on Y2K, and my suggestion is be here.
	Drop whatever you're doing and be here.
	Now, I've got a couple of announcements just before we get to William and we start to scare the hell out of you there.
	Y2K, there are several things going on with Y2K that I'm aware of, have been made aware of, very much on the inside, that I must tell you personally, personally, me, starting to scare me.
	I'll try to find a way to talk about them.
	I, you know, a lot of this is done in confidence between myself and others and I really don't have a right to talk about it without their permission and of course these people don't really want to give it because they don't want that kind of limelight and so I'm going to have to figure out how I can talk about what I know without exposing the people that have given me the information it would be improper.
	But I'll tell you this, it's starting to scare the crap out of me.
	Having said that, that's tomorrow night, that's Gary North.
	Listen.
	The Source.
	Do you know about The Source?
	It's a book that was written by Brad Steiger and myself.
	It's just out.
	Hardcover, 260 pages, and it is selling like hotcakes.
	You can see the reviews up at Amazon.com if you wish.
	You can buy it on Amazon.com.
	Or, now listen to me.
	Listen to me very carefully for a very, very limited amount of time.
	And that's called Art Bell's signing limit.
	And I have a very low threshold of pain when it comes to signing books.
	Very low threshold of pain.
	For a very limited time I'm going to give you a number here you can call and you can get autographed copies of the source and they're going to be rare because particularly the dual autographed copies in other words I will autograph it as will Brad Steiger you'll have two signatures on there and I can assure you this is going to be a very very limited time so if you call the number I give you it's going to Getting into bookstores nationwide, you can get in a bookstore if you want, and get a signed edition.
	If you want the special double signing edition, you can call 24 hours a day, and order it until I say otherwise.
	until I say otherwise. 1-800-864-7991.
	1-800-864-7991.
	The source is an explanation, a journey through the unexplained, and then tying
	it all together into what we call the To find out what that is, you've got to read the book.
	And if you want autographed copies of the book, there's only one place and one time you can get them, and that's now.
	And the number is 1-800-864-7991.
	Okay, I've done that.
	Also, I really would like to also make note, yet another affiliate tonight.
	Welcome, KUJ and Walla Walla, Washington.
	Great to have you on board.
	Now, The scary stuff.
	I don't know.
	Was it a month ago?
	I began... I began getting literally hundreds of emails and faxes.
	People were telling me about contrails.
	You know, the things left by jet planes, right?
	Well, to me, in the beginning, it sounded like a total crackpot thing.
	Contrails.
	Poisonous contrails.
	Right-wing, wacko stuff all the way, I thought.
	Nevertheless, getting hundreds of faxes, I had to begin to consider what the hell's going on here.
	And I got one from William Thomas, author, investigative journalist, who said he knew about the contrails.
	And so we had William Thomas on the air, and we did a program on contrails.
	Well, believe me, there's a lot of contrails under the bridge since then.
	Including, I'm sorry to say, in a way, one of my own.
	Actually, more than one of them.
	But I have the presence of mind.
	Let me tell you what happened.
	Normally, and I'm going to say that I really should tell this to William.
	William Thomas, welcome to the program.
	Thank you, Art.
	Pleasure to be with you tonight.
	Great, yes.
	Great to have you.
	And I know we're going into some pretty scary places here.
	Look, after we did the last program, I had occasion to, as I do every day, observe outside and here we have pretty consistent traffic over the Pahrump Valley at altitude at about 33,000 feet or better that is either coming or going generally in an east-west direction.
	A lot of traffic to San Francisco from Las Vegas traverses our valley.
	We also have military aircraft that traverse the valley.
	Most frequently, jet fighters at low altitude go screaming across here.
	It's kind of fun, actually.
	But, after we did the show on contrails, William, three times in one day, I saw something I have never in my life seen before in all the years that I've lived here.
	And that is, we are just sort of a, we're a waypoint.
	Jets don't circle at altitude the Burrump Valley.
	They just go on their merry way, either moving west-northwest toward San Francisco or generally from the west-northwest toward Las Vegas, and they just cut across the valley.
	Well, there were several people with me, William, and each one of them said, what in the hell is going on up there?
	And what was going on was, 737 at minimum size.
	I wouldn't know a civilian or a military.
	Would come into the valley.
	About center over the valley.
	Cut a 360 degree circle.
	Something they never do here.
	And then keep right on truckin'.
	And they were leaving these very, very strange contrails.
	It was kind of like bull rings.
	You know, smoke rings I would describe it.
	And so I ran in the house, and I got a camera.
	I've got a 35mm camera.
	And I ran into the house and got it, and took a photograph of one of them.
	Now, that's on my website right now.
	And if you go to my website, www.artbell.com, and you scroll down to Newest Site Editions, you will see something, number two item, it says, Photo of Contrail over Arts Home.
	By the way, you can see my new radio tower right below that, but... Click on it, and make it big, and take a look at this conrail.
	It looks like it was made by some kind of ramjet technology.
	Uh, or something.
	But it's a complete circle over the Prompt Valley.
	Now, there were a number of these, William, that day.
	The ones, just like in the photo, that I put up.
	Taken by my very own hand.
	Scanned by my hand.
	And listen to me, pixel people, this is a real photograph, dammit!
	I took it.
	I scanned it.
	And, William, these contrails combined.
	And they became a cloud bank that you can already see forming from previous contrails that had gone by in the lower portion of the picture.
	The nice new fresh one is centered in the picture.
	What the hell is going on?
	I saw the photograph, Art, the most remarkable picture.
	I haven't seen anything like that in the dozens of chemtrail photographs that I have seen.
	Question for you, did any of the observers get sick?
	You know, I would have to ask them.
	There were about six guys here.
	About six guys.
	And every one of them who looked up and saw what was going on over the valley said, I have never seen anything like that in my life.
	Now, I am not subject to respiratory problems, but you can ask my wife.
	She'll verify this.
	I have been waking up almost every day in a sneezing fit.
	Immediately after this, my wife had an asthma attack.
	She's like a canary.
	You know, if there's something wrong in the air, she gets an asthma attack right away because she has asthma.
	As for me, I'm not really subject to respiratory trouble, but I will wake up sneezing uncontrollably, and that's what I can tell you happened.
	I sneezed a lot.
	My wife had an asthma attack.
	As for the others who were here, I don't know.
	I would have to ask.
	Well, the observation of you and your men friends of these unusual signs in the sky are echoed, I can tell you.
	From coast to coast, as you well know.
	I know.
	And since our conversation a couple of weeks ago, I have interviewed more than 250 people and have detailed sighting reports, again, from coast to coast.
	And the asthma attack your wife suffered, again, unfortunately matches symptoms from people reporting throughout the United States.
	And just a couple of days ago, Art, I put together Those 250 some reports of sightings and illnesses with every bit of documented evidence I have on extraordinary hospital admissions of people many for the first time in their lives being brought into emergency with acute respiratory problems such as bronchitis and pneumonia.
	I know these by the way in very dry areas of the United States.
	I know.
	When I put those Media reports and reports from nurses and medical personnel and patients, together with the citing reports, they matched.
	They matched in location, they matched in time and date.
	Do you have this documented on a website?
	It's now on my website.
	The third article I have written on this subject, with those hospital admissions, is now up on my site.
	And we have a link to your site on the web, on my website.
	So, folks, if you would like to see more about it, just go to the name William Thomas on my website and click on www.islandnet.com and some more there.
	Just click on that website and go take a look and you will see the documentation supporting what William is saying tonight.
	William, do you know That what you're saying sounds, when you first hear it, I mean, you are saying the American people are being intentionally sprayed with something that's making them sick.
	Now, William, that sounds like a pretty crackpot thing to be saying, frankly, to a lot of people, including me, when I first heard about it.
	And then, and then, you know what, William?
	Everybody I know, just about, and I'm going to repeat this, just about everybody I know is sick.
	Flu-like symptoms, sick. Hospitals are overflowing.
	It's just, you know, maybe it's just, you know, like they say on TV when they sell the cold remedies, it's a flu and cold season.
	But at this time, we're having a hell of a flu and cold season this year.
	You're having an epidemic and those are not my, that's not my word, those are the words of doctors from New York City hospitals out to California.
	Many of those doctors you'll find on my website are saying this is not, repeat, not the flu.
	You've got doctors saying that?
	I have doctors saying that to the New York Times.
	What?
	This is an upper respiratory illness that has come on very suddenly, extremely violently.
	We have never seen anything like this.
	We do not know what this is.
	We are seeing Record numbers, in many cases, double the usual admissions of bronchitis and pneumonia in an admittedly high admission season for asthma sufferers and respiratory illness folks.
	Hospitals are, in many cases, doubling their admissions.
	I can tell you tonight that hospitals in Phoenix and places in Oklahoma and other cities have literally been closed.
	They are not taking new admissions.
	schools have been shut down and isn't it interesting that the Center for Disease Control has yet
	to issue a nationwide alert to a flu or a specific flu.
	I mean, we are used every year to hearing about some exotic, usually Asian flu that's striking cities across America.
	Get your flu vaccinations.
	Silence from the CDC.
	And yet, individual media reports that never seem to be correlated and put together indicate Again, an epidemic, in the doctor's words, of flu-like.
	Now notice they're saying, in almost every case, flu-like symptoms.
	I agree with you.
	That's what I'm hearing too.
	Flu-like symptoms.
	Alright, I'll tell you what, we are at the bottom of the hour, and that should give you folks a taste of what we're saying.
	I don't like saying this.
	I don't even like thinking this.
	Because this is my country.
	This is your country.
	And I don't even like imagining that they would be spraying us with anything without our permission.
	I don't like to imagine that about America.
	Do you?
	Do you doubt all this?
	Well, stay where you are.
	Keep listening.
	This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye with Art Bell.
	That would be me.
	And there's just one more thing I want to tell you about the contrails.
	And maybe it's about the contrails.
	I don't know.
	But as you know, I've lived in this valley now for a long, long time.
	And there's one more thing that I need to bring to your attention.
	Over the past, oh, I don't know.
	I'm going to guess a couple of weeks now.
	There has been an odd smell in the air.
	I was not the first to notice this.
	My wife was.
	And defining the smell is rather difficult.
	It vaguely smells like something's on fire.
	And I can't really tell you what that something would be.
	It vaguely smells like there's a fire.
	Now, there are no fires.
	I'm out here in the middle of the desert and There are no major fires going on in California or Arizona that I'm aware of that would create this smell in the air.
	It's very hard to discern, and she doesn't want to come in here, I know it, but if Ramona would please step in here for just one second and confirm what I'm saying right now before I go to break.
	Like right now, before I go to break.
	Come on in.
	I know you're listening.
	Man, here she comes.
	Just lean down here and tell them.
	Tell them what?
	Tell them the truth!
	Oh, yeah, what I saw.
	Well, actually, I would, you know, I pointed out to you that it was kind of weird seeing those contrails because I've never seen planes do a 180 before.
	And I also told you that there was, you know, the air smelled real funny.
	And, you know, I was having headaches.
	And we were both having sinus problems.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Or five days ago.
	Is that enough?
	Yes, thank you.
	She doesn't like doing that.
	Unless I force her into doing that, she won't do that.
	We both had sinus trouble.
	We both had this odd sensation of a weird smell in the air.
	And the contrails are without question.
	Now, I say this again.
	I don't like thinking that this may be true.
	I don't like it at all.
	Because the implications of it are Sad.
	That's the best word I can think of, sad.
	Disturbing, shocking, will make you angry, a lot of things.
	But most of all, sad if I really thought it was true.
	I'm just telling you what I have observed.
	William Thomas will tell you what he has investigated.
	He will tell you the facts and will be right.
	Things that William Thomas told me In a fax that he sent me prior to this show that we're doing now.
	He said, since we last spoke on the air, I've interviewed 198 eyewitnesses by phone and email.
	Detailed accounts have come from police officers, pilots, military and health personnel.
	All report similar aerial spraying grid patterns, occluded skies, severe illness in the regions being sprayed.
	He goes on, I have one lab analysis of the spray and a second lab test is being tracked down by a half dozen investigators actively researching this story for me.
	William, let's dive in there.
	You have one lab analysis already of spray?
	I do.
	Where did you get it?
	How did you get it?
	And what did the analysis say?
	The analysis was passed to me by one of five investigators that have been working on this story for more than a year.
	And this particular lab test comes from a company called Aquatech Environmental.
	They are in several cities across the nation.
	This one was from Marion, Ohio.
	This was done on September 18, 1997, on samples taken from contaminated fields in Maryland
	and Pennsylvania.
	Okay.
	Aquatech found something called ethylene dibromide.
	What the hell is that?
	It's a component of a jet fuel called JP8.
	It is also one of the most tightly controlled substances in, under the Environmental Protection
	Act of your country.
	It was banned in 1983 because of its acute toxicity and its known carcinogenicity.
	Okay, JP8, I don't know about eight, but that's jet fuel, right?
	That's right.
	Now in 1991, military and commercial aircraft changed over from JP-4, which is essentially a kerosene, to JP-8, which is somewhat less flammable.
	I got in touch with a source inside the Department of Defense, and he said that changeover has saved some lives in air crashes.
	And I asked him, what is life-saving about going to a fuel that is a banned pesticide, a known carcinogen, And get this, according to the EPA, must be handled with extreme caution because it may damage developing fetus reproductive systems in male and females.
	And the EPA, in their hazardous material list, devotes seven pages to ethylene dibromide.
	And it goes on to say, exposure to these vapors in very small quantities, tests show, may cause coughing and shortness of breath.
	It can build up a fluid in the lungs, repeated exposure may cause bronchitis, development of a cough and shortness of breath.
	All of these are symptoms being reported across the country.
	William, I also am aware of a lot of people ill now with, as you put it, flu-like symptoms that has turned into pneumonia.
	Yes.
	Walking pneumonia or Worse, I know of one particular person who just died of it.
	Yes.
	Now, are those, is that anything like the reports you're getting?
	Absolutely.
	From 41 states now that I have tracked, the spraying and the illness, unusually high numbers of pneumonia and bronchitis are being reported.
	It seems to be a signature Okay, instead of calling them contrails, you call them chemtrails.
	Now, when you say, I have learned that the spraying of America has been underway since 1992, frequency and intensity of spraying rose sharply in November of 98, continues to intensify as I write with fresh spraying.
	Now, You make reference to recent areas sprayed, Knoxville, Tennessee, Asheville, North Carolina, Dallas, Texas.
	When you say spray, William, are you referring now to the component in jet fuel that you just talked about, or are you referring to something even beyond that?
	I'm afraid I'm speaking of something even beyond ethylene dibromide and the JP8 that was found in this particular test.
	Art, you're talking to the author of a book, Bringing the War Home, on biological warfare in the Gulf.
	And when that book was published by my friend Nick Baggage of Earth Pulse Press a year ago, I got on shows like yours and warned Americans to pay attention and to get the lessons of the Gulf War, unless this war come home to us.
	And I have to tell you tonight, that the deeper I get into my investigation, Into the spring of North America, because it's happening in Canada as well, the more I feel a very spooky sense of deja vu.
	I am running into symptoms that match Gulf War illness.
	All right, William, for the sake of this conversation, I'm going to ask you, why?
	Why, William?
	Would the American government, military, or whoever in the hell would do this?
	Why would they spray the American people?
	Why?
	Well, that's an easy one, actually.
	Is it?
	Yes.
	I would have rather thought that would have been the hardest one.
	I'm afraid not.
	I've written another book called Scorched Earth.
	I have to laugh, please pardon me, at the absurdity and the insanity of this, but this goes back to the 1950s.
	The Pentagon has been testing germ warfare on the American people since the 1950s.
	We have, and now I'm referring you to government information, United States Senate testimony before the Committee on Veterans Affairs, May 6th, 1994.
	Title of the investigation, open-air testing with simulated biological and chemical warfare agents.
	They had expert testimony and they learned that the Army has released simulant agents, quoting from the report here, over hundreds Hundreds of populated areas around the United States.
	Up in Alaska, one experiment released 264 liters of a bacterial agent.
	What?
	In all, this Senate investigation found, since the 1950s, some 239 American cities and communities were sprayed with a zinc cadmium sulfide.
	What?
	To simulate biological warfare.
	This is a carcinogen.
	Targets included Hawaii, Alaska, San Francisco, St.
	Louis, Detroit, Minneapolis, New York City, the subway system there by the way, Washington DC, Key West Florida, Toledo, St.
	Louis, and Springfield, Illinois among Some 239 locations.
	How do you back this up, William?
	I'm backing it up because I'm reading from this document released by the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs, May 6, 1994.
	Open air testing.
	This is from your government, your Senate, their investigation, which went on to say that in one test conducted in 1953, Zinc cadmium sulfide was sprayed over a Minneapolis elementary school with 600 children inside.
	The city of Minneapolis was sprayed in 1997 on 61 separate occasions.
	And there followed an increase in the rates of respiratory illness in the sprayed areas.
	We're talking a fungus aspergillus, a human goddess.
	Zinc, Cadmium Sulfide, Bacterium, Serratia, Marsensis.
	I don't know what all that is.
	All kinds of things I can't even pronounce.
	I don't even know what that stuff is that you did pronounce.
	It's nasty stuff.
	And it's been going on since the 1950s Art and yesterday in England the Ministry of Defense had to come clean and admit in the 60s and 70s and since the 80s That government has been spraying germs which mimic bio-war agents such as anthrax over heavily populated parts of the country resulting in pneumonia and lung infections.
	Sound familiar?
	That has particularly affected the elderly and the children.
	This is on British News.
	This is on the BBC.
	On the BBC.
	Uh, look, if half of what you're saying is true, William, where's NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN on this story?
	Where are they?
	There's a good question.
	Art, in Bringing the War Home, I referenced six congressional investigations into Gulf War illness that laid bare the truth behind this disease and what happened in the Gulf.
	Where was NBC, CNN, Well, what they were doing pretty much was repeating what the Pentagon was telling them.
	When they said anything at all, frankly, that I know for sure.
	Now, help me out here a little bit.
	How is a person to discern, if they look into the sky and they see a contrail being laid down, how do they know whether it's just A normal contrail?
	A normal contrail is formed off the wingtips of a fast-moving aircraft, a jet at high altitude, or from the actual turbine, the jet engine, sucking in ice crystals and forming these, turning it into steam, it's actually a vapor, streams behind the engines and the vortices swirling off the wingtips According to the experts I consulted and my own eyeballs, these contrails normally dissipate within about 45 seconds.
	They break up like the wake behind a boat.
	Okay, the contrails that came over my house, like the picture I've got on my website right now that people damn well ought to go take a look at.
	They didn't dissipate, William.
	They changed.
	They spread and they became a kind of an odd-looking cloud bank, is what they did.
	And it's what they are doing again over 41 states at enormous expense and effort.
	Nevertheless, you have photographs.
	I have dozens of excellent photographs, videotapes.
	These are not contrails.
	They do not, as you say, dissipate.
	They linger for hours.
	They spread slowly and coalesce.
	into an overcast yeah in almost every case I've investigated and again this is some 260 cases these contrails were formed in almost every instance in clear blue skies resulting over a short period of time in a complete overcast or more accurately a kind of mist or fog bank That precipitated out of the sky.
	That's damn well what I saw.
	All right.
	These are not normal contrails.
	These are chemtrails.
	So in other words, what I'm trying to do now is, you ran through a lot of exotic names that most people won't understand regarding chemicals, but the average guy or gal looking into the sky and seeing these chemtrails, how do they discern between chemtrails and contrails?
	Do they linger?
	Do they spread out and thicken rather than dissipate?
	It's very striking to me that almost everyone, every one of our listeners tonight, has seen contrails throughout her or his life.
	We're all familiar with that.
	And yet, people in the last two years have been looking up in the sky, grabbing their neighbors, pointing cameras and video cameras at Something that they know are not contrails.
	I guess the short answer is, you'll know instinctively, or in your gut, that these are strange.
	These do not act like contrails.
	If they linger, if they spread out, the aircraft that you're observing lay down grid patterns over hours, and X's in the sky, you know something extraordinary is taking place.
	Well, alright.
	Could a person run inside and escape the effects?
	Or is this one of those things where it falls on farmers' fields?
	It falls on the food that cows sit out there and munch on and gets into the food chain?
	Et cetera, et cetera.
	And so forth and so on.
	In other words, are you saving yourself from whatever might be in this horrid little witch's brew?
	By going inside or are you going to partake of it no matter what you do?
	Both.
	You will protect yourself and your family from acute respiratory ailments and a A severe illness people are unanimously reporting that lasts four weeks.
	Oh yes.
	Three to five weeks.
	Yes.
	And then often comes back.
	Yes.
	So by all means take cover and I do not wish to spread fear and have people running inside every time a jet goes over.
	But if you see something that looks like an abnormal contrail that's spreading into a fog bank, yes, I would recommend that people take cover, especially with elderly and children involved, and you will protect yourself.
	But in just a bit here, we're going to go the final step here tonight, Art,
	and talk about a possible, underlined possible, pathogen involved with this brain.
	And that is pathogenetic to plants as well as animals and people.
	And what I will attempt to do in the next hour or so, as we continue,
	is to lay out a pattern, several patterns, in fact, and let the listeners decide for themselves what is going
	on.
	I'm not going to be offering proof tonight, but I will be offering patterns that I think are irrefutable.
	All right.
	I like doing that.
	That's what I do.
	I let people decide for themselves.
	William, hold on.
	Stay right where you are.
	We will be right back.
	On that note, once again, back to William Thomas.
	William, just before we proceed into the pathogen world, let me ask you this.
	Contrails, I've seen a lot of study about contrails, or at least a little bit, and I want to challenge you on a couple of points.
	One, you say that generally a contrail will persist for about 40 seconds or so.
	Is that not dependent upon Weather conditions at altitude, humidity levels, and so forth and so on.
	In other words, is it not possible that some contrails would in fact persist for long periods
	of time given certain weather conditions, temperature conditions, whatever?
	Absolutely.
	I wrote an article a few years ago on irregular contrails and how they might affect, in fact,
	are affecting the atmosphere and global warming.
	That article is also on my website.
	It's published in Eco Decision Magazine.
	I pointed out that the large numbers of commercial jet airliners flying back and forth across
	the Atlantic Ocean in particular actually form what pilots refer to as cloud streets.
	Hear, hear!
	Of lingering contrails from masses of aircraft.
	Absolutely!
	Now, going a little further with what I think I know, there is mainstream research going on now that would seem to indicate that it is even possible that contrails under certain conditions begin to form into cloud banks that eventually turn into precipitation.
	In other words, if weather conditions are on the edge of producing something like that, but have not yet done so, it is possible that a series of jets at altitude could produce what eventually becomes a weather system.
	Absolutely.
	MSNBC has just run a story talking about an 800-mile cloud bank forming from contrails,
	and the people researching this were quite excited. Of course, that was an anomaly, but
	there is no question that it happened.
	On the other hand, if you wanted to spray the American people or the British people
	or any other people, what better way, I think a logical person would agree, to do it than
	to simply dispense it in what otherwise would be seen and accepted as normal, everyday occurrence.
	A contrail across the sky.
	Big deal.
	We see them all the time.
	Now, if there was obvious spraying, a lot of people would get upset.
	But what the hell?
	Contrails?
	You know, they're just contrails.
	Jets.
	Yeah, right.
	Jets.
	You said something before the top of the hour about pathogens.
	Unload that one on me, please.
	I will.
	Let's just, if we can stay with this contrail for just a second.
	Sure.
	Some of the critics, I do appreciate hard questions in particular.
	Again, I must remind your listeners that the chemtrails we're referring to, or the odd contrails, ...are formed in X patterns, which are quite unusual.
	Commercial aircraft do not cross each other's flight paths.
	It is illegal and very dangerous.
	They are formed in grid patterns over hours.
	Commercial aircraft do not do this.
	military refueling aircraft do not refuel fighters in this manner.
	We're seeing very high flight patterns.
	Hold it, let me interrupt you.
	You talk about the X patterns created, correct?
	The control X patterns.
	From the ground, how do we discern a difference in altitude between a jet at, let's say, 36,000
	feet and a jet at 32,000 feet that have crossed each other's path to the eye from the ground
	It looks like an X and like they just crossed each other's path, but couldn't that be an optical conclusion?
	It could be.
	I would say that under many conditions, as you just remarked, the winds aloft and temperature gradients that falls every thousand feet I'll tell ya, it's cold up there baby.
	the contrails in a different way, at least in the photographs and videos I've seen, the
	contrails absolutely match in thickness and dispersion rates, so they cannot be too far
	apart in altitude.
	Well, I'll tell you, it's cold up there, baby.
	You get up toward 40,000 feet in transatlantic flights that I've been on, and they, just
	for entertainment, because you're sitting there, I went to South Africa, for example,
	sitting there for 24 hours in an airplane.
	They put up the outside conditions, and frequently, you'll look up, it'll be like 87 degrees below zero Fahrenheit.
	That's pretty typical.
	That's really cold.
	Well, let's bring this down to Earth for just a second.
	Dozens of interviews I've done, people talk about helicopters flying, particularly at night and spraying at very low level over population centers.
	They talk about twin turboprop aircraft.
	We have a case here on Vancouver Island coming over at night, very rooftop level in fact.
	spraying communities. Sallisaw, Oklahoma comes to mind.
	Many people sick there. So some of this spraying is in fact being done at very low level with
	different types of aircraft.
	And that, I assure you, cannot be discounted as contrails or normal flight operations.
	All right. Pathogens.
	Pathogens. By the way, it's quite legal to spray pathogens over the American populace
	before we start on particular ones.
	There's been some confusion over this art that we can clear up in about 30 seconds.
	The U.S.
	Code Title 50, Section 1520, has allowed the spraying of biological simulants over the American populace for decades.
	It was repealed.
	That law stated you had to give 30... the Pentagon had to give 30 days notice to a public official, though not to the public, before conducting this experiment.
	It was repealed in November 18, 1997.
	The law that replaced it says, the Secretary of Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population, wait for it, unless The experiment is related to research activity.
	And then go right ahead.
	So it's quite legal to go ahead with these tests.
	And I wrote an email to the head of this kind of testing at the Dugway Germ Warfare Center.
	And I asked him if this, in fact, was going on, because I quoted their own information saying that atmospheric dispersion models are often used to simulate open-air dispersion of these weapons, and sealed test chambers are expensive and inadequate.
	And Dugaway says that, and this is a very interesting term, NIST, considering what we're dealing with, Man and Simulant Test, is essential All right.
	to simulate an actual chemical threat environment, their term.
	It's far more realistic and believable simulation, they say, to spray this in the open air.
	But of course we only do that over people wearing full chemical biological suits.
	So there we go. Now we can get into the pathogens. We've laid some groundwork here.
	All right.
	Pathogens.
	Pathogens.
	Two of them are front and center in my investigation.
	These are not proven.
	I am suggesting tonight that anyone who is extremely ill with something they recognize is not the flu, and they would like to know what's going on, be tested for something called Pseudomonas Aeruginosa.
	What the hell is that?
	What is that?
	It is an extremely common bacterial pathogen that accounts for 10% of infections in hospitals.
	It's a little critter art that is extremely underlying, extremely resistant to antibiotics.
	Every one I've interviewed says that antibiotics are of no use on their illness.
	I've got this lead from an Unsolved Mysteries program done a few years ago.
	When they took some of this cobwebby goop, I believe it was Everett, Washington, and I've been in touch with some of the police officers involved in this.
	Now, everybody, we should back up just a little bit.
	From these comm trails, particularly the worrisome ones, Yes.
	We noted frequently on the last program and not yet on this one that a spider webby type material seems to fall from the sky and then quickly dissipate.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	Okay.
	We'll have a few more words to say about that very shortly.
	This particular cobwebby material which has It draped itself over power lines, porches, over the Denver International Airport to one police officer's amazement, was sampled, and now we have a publication called Loop, L-O-O-P, published by the American Society of Microbiologists.
	I have to confess, I'm still trying to get the date of this article, but it says that a sample of these cobwebs Turned up a strain of bacteria known as a pseudomonad.
	Pseudomonas aeruginosa is one of these pseudomonads.
	All right.
	This stuff has been, in the past, genetically engineered.
	It is very hardy.
	It is very common in people, animals.
	Usually it doesn't Hurt us unless we are vulnerable, that is, unless our immune systems are weakened by perhaps, oh I don't know, our exposure to ethylene dibromide comes to mind or other problems that would affect our immune system.
	It's manufactured by a couple of companies in the United States including, I just learned today, for medical research purposes The American Type Tissue Culture Corporation.
	And my antenna went up at this because I'm very familiar with the ATTC folks.
	They're the people in Maryland who shipped 72 shipments of germ warfare cultures to someone named Saddam Hussein between October 84 and October 93.
	And I have the shipping dates and invoice numbers in my book, Bringing the War Home, if anyone would like to look that up.
	Okay.
	So these things are being made for research purposes.
	Again, a rod-shaped germ, very common in hospitals, particularly affects children, and it makes the lung mucus much thicker and compounds breathing problems.
	Again, something very familiar to people suffering this mysterious ailment across the United States tonight.
	As I said, very resistant to antibiotics, often used as a stimulant with another bacteria, one acting as a sensitizing agent and the other causing illness.
	Now I find, I'm scrolling rapidly through about eight very detailed medical studies that I've found on the web and I've had forwarded to me.
	This thing can produce gelatinase.
	I suppose that means a gelatin-like substance because it accretes.
	These bacteria accrete into a slime.
	That's why they're so resistant to antibiotics and detergents.
	The primary focus of TA is infection of the lungs, again producing a thick mucus.
	It is, researchers say, associated with pneumonia.
	It has been used in agricultural applications.
	It kills plants.
	It might even kill marijuana plants.
	This particular study... I do know as a matter of actual fact they are preparing to release a fungus that will kill hemp plants.
	Those plants are well underway now.
	I know that.
	Yes, well this is a fungus and Bode, Rosenstein and Hall in research studies in 83 and 80 have told us that releasing this in an agricultural application in deliberate environmental releases means that actual numbers of these microbes may be considerably higher than those that occur naturally and don't hurt us.
	In fact, Pseudomonas Aruginosa.
	Having trouble with that?
	Let me hear you say that again.
	Yeah.
	Let me hear you say it.
	Pseudomonas.
	Yes.
	Aruginosa.
	Alright, now say it fast.
	It's an opportunistic pathogen.
	Now say it three times fast.
	P-A-S-E.
	This whole topic is so damn serious that it's like if you don't laugh you're gonna cry.
	We'll be right back.
	It's been a too long time with no peace of mind and I'm ready for the times to get better.
	Because it doesn't seem sometimes like they could get worse.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Um, these computers.
	I don't know what I'm going to do.
	William, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	William, we've got to briefly touch on something and then I really want to get to the phones because I want to let people ask you hard questions.
	Good.
	And if not, then corroborate what you're saying.
	But, you know, whatever lies out there.
	You write to me.
	I have also uncovered US Patent Number 4253190 for a polyester resin mirror.
	Mirror?
	To be held aloft by electromagnetic radiation when sprayed from high-flying jets.
	These polymers can apparently be heated by a harp.
	That's the transmitter in Alaska.
	To change the weather, Dr. Bernard Eastland, in-veteran original patent holder of HAARP, concurs with this analysis, as does HAARP expert Dr. Nick Begich.
	Now, what do we know about that?
	We know that in many cases of sightings of sprain, Extreme weather anomalies, weather events have taken place within a few days.
	Drastic temperature drops, drastic storms.
	I do not know if there's a direct tie-in.
	Dr. Baggage tells me, by the way, that this month, February, HAARP has been turned off.
	It will be reactivated in March.
	So if HAARP is involved, it's not happening this month when in fact the weather continues to go crazy and I suspect that is more from our doing and global warming.
	However, having said that, I did go further since I wrote to Art and checked in with a PhD researcher who wishes to remain anonymous.
	I don't blame him.
	He's very well versed with polymers and he says Basically that it is possible to put a mirror, a polyester mirror in place and have that interact with the radial frequency, very high energy, released by HAARP to heat the atmosphere.
	HAARP was designed to heat the ionosphere above the atmosphere.
	That's correct.
	But weather is formed at lower altitudes and this could be done.
	However, this PhD told me That he was having trouble accepting this because the altitudes we're talking about, say, 30,000 feet or so, he said he's not sure if HAARP could be beamed that low over a great distance to heat the atmosphere.
	He said that his own patent searches have Turned up a patent 4175469 which mentions reasons for dispersing these electrolytes or polymers into the atmosphere for reflecting radio waves for over-the-horizon communications or for a radar jamming spray.
	Well, I know our military has intense interest in over-the-horizon radar.
	They have tried everything, so have the Russians, to achieve that.
	Well, he goes on to say, these uses could clearly be related to the contrails.
	I could see that for over-the-horizon communications, one might make a reflector out of a grid pattern or parallel lines.
	Why they would form cobwebs, I don't know, he writes, but it doesn't seem impossible to me that they could condense into loosely bound aggregates that would quickly evaporate.
	Well, I do know that, as you point out, something in the atmosphere would act as a reflector Hem radio operators know about that.
	Even meteors re-entering the atmosphere can be used as reflectors for radio signals, so that's absolutely correct.
	And this is interesting.
	Bernard Eastland writes that heat generation occurs by adding magnetic iron oxide to the polymer.
	He talks about two Ohio companies that produce polymers with microwave-absorbing additives.
	He's mentioned specific products by name, and he says that this can be done, and it's being studied.
	A person I mentioned last week, a former Raytheon missile engineer, Tommy Farmer, comments that in the sample that he had analyzed, a chemist Found during a microscopic examination a yellow-orange orbs or spores impregnated into the filaments of the material.
	He did not believe they were biological spores and Farmer wonders if those orange-yellow orbs might be oxidizing a ferrous alloy.
	If so, of course, it would match Bernard Eastland's comments that this could be used to generate heat.
	In the atmosphere using HAARP.
	And when you generate heat, you control the weather?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Weather is all about heat exchange.
	And the idea here is to remove or add heat to storm systems.
	Well, since the original broadcast that you did, I mean, when you first came on my program, you shocked so many people and illuminated this subject so brightly.
	That the fax traffic and email traffic to me has been unrelenting.
	And what I would like to do is go to the phones and let you answer questions from the audience, randomly.
	You willing?
	Let's do it.
	On this program, we don't screen so you don't know what's coming up.
	And I can't guarantee what's coming, we're just gonna go to the phone and see what happens, alright?
	Alright.
	Alright, first time caller line, uh, you are on the air with William Thomas, hi.
	Art, this is Dave.
	Hi Dave, where are you?
	I'm in Terre Haute, Indiana.
	Okay.
	Uh, what I was calling about is, like, with Contrails is, uh, Terre Haute, Indiana, we're like, we're known as the crossroads of the United States, uh, with the railroads and the, uh, highways.
	And we have an international airport.
	We have a 101st fighter group here.
	Yes.
	And 40 miles north here, we have a Newport munitions dump.
	That's where they keep all the VX gas at.
	Right.
	Okay, well, here lately, they've been saying, my mom just recently has gotten cancer, but the doctors have told her this is a high cancer area.
	And With all the railroad yards going through here during World War II, it's amazing because with all the highways and everything, and it's not the highways, but the fighter group here, the airport, the munitions dump, and during World War II all the munitions went through here because of the railways.
	And this could almost be considered a spot because you know we're centered in
	between St. Louis, Indianapolis, Chicago and Louisville. What's your opinion on that? I've had quite
	a few people write in and contact me, Dave, saying they live near air bases and they have
	quite a high rate of illness in the family, a lot of cancer in the communities. I refer
	yourself and those people to my first book, Scorched Earth, in which I document, thoroughly
	document, the incidence of cancers and other serious ailments among communities and cities
	around air bases and that has been absolutely traced and documented to the leakage of jet fuel
	and a degreaser, a very toxic degreasing agent used on Air Force air bases into the water
	supply of the surrounding communities.
	And I would say don't look up to the sky in this instance, but look beneath your feet into the groundwater supply.
	Contact your local environmental group and or the EPA and I think you'll be quite surprised to find that this has in fact been documented in many communities.
	All right.
	Here's somebody who says this is ludicrous.
	Art, ask your guest why airport personnel aren't dropping over like flies.
	Contrails have always had properties of staying in the atmosphere for minutes to even hours.
	They can, and at times, do form cirrus clouds.
	Pilots are not dropping over like flies, but they have been getting sick since JP-8 was introduced.
	And they have made representations to airlines and government saying, we want this looked at.
	We know that this is very toxic indeed.
	Again, they are not dropping like flies, but in fact, airline personnel are getting sick.
	Fuel handlers know very well the risks from handling this fuel.
	And again, I will emphasize that while Some contrails can linger, especially in high-traffic areas.
	The flight patterns that we're seeing, the repeated spraying, the low-level spraying that people are reporting, are well outside the normal parameters of aircraft movements and contrail formation, without a doubt.
	All right.
	Here's somebody writing from Everett, Washington, an email saying, aren't I live in Everett, Washington?
	I heard your guests begin to say something about it.
	I've had an increase in the number of cases of cough, nausea, and vomiting.
	A year ago, I began to get headaches.
	My blood pressure has gone sky high.
	I'm on high blood pressure medication now.
	I also have seen an increase in the number of jets flying around at times, and there's been a helicopter that seems to follow the same flight plan for a few nights, then miss a few nights, then show up again.
	I just had a quick check here and Everett was the town that the Unexplained Mysteries Show talked about and claimed that a lab test, which by the way I'm still trying to get my hands on, mentioned human DNA or human white blood cells found in the cobweb samples there.
	So that correspondent is at ground zero for this Anomaly.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air with William Thomas.
	Hello.
	Hey.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing all right.
	You're going to have to yell at us.
	You're not very loud.
	Where are you, please?
	I'm in Alaska.
	Alaska.
	What part?
	Well... Turn your radio off, sir.
	Okay, hold on.
	Okay.
	That's a very important thing.
	Turn that radio off right away, folks, or you will sound confused on the air.
	We'll be... North Pole.
	North Pole, Alaska.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I noticed those contrasts that Art was talking about and I looked on the website.
	You saw the photograph I took?
	Yeah, of Art's, but I've also seen him here.
	Like that?
	We live between two military bases.
	You've seen them like that?
	Mm-hmm.
	And I've seen them where they'll go over and it kind of turns into like clouds.
	Okay.
	And they hang there for a long time.
	And also we had a real bad epidemic ourselves here.
	In our town, um, back in December before Christmas.
	Of what?
	Uh, well, they didn't know what it was.
	Everybody was going to the hospital.
	And my girlfriend, her eyeballs swelled shut.
	They didn't know what it was.
	She had respiratory problems.
	Um, and they never did know what it was.
	Antibiotics didn't work.
	And, I don't know, I believe the government's been doing a lot of testing for years because my grandmother used to work for the federal government.
	Yes.
	In Utah.
	And she wound up dying.
	Her lungs just fell out.
	And that was about seven years ago.
	They never did know what it was.
	And then my dad, he was in World War II.
	And back then, they went through a lot of the jungles eating monkey meat to survive.
	And he said he'd seen a lot of people die from like symptoms of AIDS.
	So I really believe that we've had it since then?
	Well, that's entirely possible.
	I got some just really sterling news earlier today.
	I was one of the original polio volunteer kids.
	I got one of the very first polio vaccines in America.
	And because I'm a Bell, a B, we lined up alphabetically.
	And I was the first in my school to get the polio vaccine.
	And they just gave us some really interesting news.
	About the polio vaccine earlier today, and of course that is that some of the early testing, like was done on myself, is producing cancers and other terrible things.
	And so I've been considering that one all day.
	William, hold on.
	When we come back, we're really gonna dive into the phones, alright?
	Great.
	Stay right there.
	Yeah, that was really cheery news.
	I even got a little button that said I was a volunteer.
	And, uh, as a matter of fact, when I took that, uh, they did not tell me whether my shot was a real shot, you know, or a placebo.
	Uh, only later did I find out that I-I got the real polio vaccine, and I thought, for all these years, gee, how lucky I am.
	And now, if you listen to the news, maybe I'm not so lucky.
	Hmm?
	Lucky us.
	This is...
	I'm gonna burn it.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you.
	You know, Art, I'm starting to feel like Pierre Salinger must have felt.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm sure that's right.
	It's lonely out here.
	Well, maybe not.
	And I'm aware, Art, I've gotten emails this week and I'm acutely aware that this story is going to break or make my reputation as a journalist that I've spent 30 years working hard at.
	So I'm not on the radio tonight to deliberately frighten people or be sensationalist.
	I'm reporting the facts as I know them, the patterns as I see them, because I must.
	That's my profession.
	All right.
	Very good.
	We're about to go back to the phones.
	I understand exactly what you're saying.
	And in a lot of ways, it must have taken guts to come forward with this in the first place.
	No doubt about it.
	Um, let's do that.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Uh, good evening.
	Good evening.
	This is Mike up in, uh, Colville, Washington, northeast corner of Washington State.
	Yes, sir.
	Um, we, uh...
	I had this past Monday on the Spokane Channel, Channel 4 News, a two-part story on the contrails in this area.
	Really?
	And I guess the first individual that the doctor had interviewed came from this area, up near Orient, Washington, if I remember right.
	Anyway, the two parts, they talked about the goo over in Seattle and the white blood cells, etc.
	But they also got the local state senator involved in the quest, I guess, for this answer.
	Were you aware of this coverage, William?
	Yes, that involves Mr. William Wallace, who we spoke about on our last show, Art, and to my knowledge, this is the first mainstream media coverage.
	Yes, Senator Bob Morton from that area is doing some letter writing now to find out what he can.
	We had the contrails over us about a year ago.
	It was on a Saturday evening.
	All through the day they had made the checkerboard up in the sky.
	That evening we were going into town, full moon out, and they were still there.
	And after that we came down with the bronchitis and the mechanic at work did and various other friends of mine did.
	But that stayed up for about a day and a half in the air.
	But it was a huge checkerboard.
	It must have covered 20 miles square at least.
	But, uh, anyway, there, uh, sounds like they are, uh, trying to find out what's going on in this part of the country, anyway.
	And hopefully more people out there will, too.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Your senator has written an army general asking for an explanation, and I'm, uh, very keen to hear the reply, if and when it comes.
	Yeah.
	Well, keep up the good work.
	All right, thank you very much, uh, for the call.
	You should have mentioned that, William.
	I had no idea that sort of, uh, Investigation at that level was going on with respect to this.
	I'm surprised.
	Well, it's about time, frankly, and I think that we're about to see finally some serious media coverage paid to this.
	Apparently so.
	William, you have an email address.
	Now, there would be people, I would think, by now in the media who would want to get hold of you, number one.
	And I would think a lot of people listening right now would want to relate to you what has happened to them or what they know about this, if anything.
	What is your email address?
	Art, I'm going to give you two if you'll bear with me.
	I'll give you one for the media folks, but because I've been deluged with 1,000 emails since we last spoke, and I'm getting writer's cramp, some people down in the States have kindly agreed to set up a A Chemtrail Network for me.
	People with sightings, reports, or questions should contact Richard Y2K.
	That's R-I-C-H-A-R-D-Y-2-K at C-C-M-S dot net.
	Oh boy, that's a long one.
	Okay, well.
	Richard.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	Let's get it all.
	Richard.
	Richard Y2K.
	Y2K at.
	At C-C-M-S.
	Yes.
	My email for anyone who must get in touch with me directly is wilco, W-I-L-C-O, at islandnet.com.
	Islandnet is one word.
	RichardY2K at CCMS.net, and for you, it's Wilco, as in Roger Wilco, that's W-I-L-C-O, at IslandNetOneWord.com.
	Thank you, and I appreciate having both on the air tonight.
	Again, if people will direct their sightings to the first, that will allow me to get on with my investigations, and these will be relayed to me Are you prepared to talk to the media, CNN, the various networks, whoever might come along?
	Good, because that's how we take this, as so many other things, to the next level.
	So I'm quite ready to speak with them in particular good because that's how we take this as so many other things
	To the next level I'm gonna be really honest with you William. I don't know
	Whether I believe all of this is true or not I honestly don't know
	But you have put enough on the table that I want to know and the only way we're going to find out is if somebody
	Assists you because this is a big and if true possibly even dangerous
	Investigation to do and so we're gonna have to get some higher-powered people involved
	God Bless.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Yes, Aunt.
	Did you say that you're not for sure that you believe what he's saying?
	Yep.
	Well, I've got exactly what you need and your audience out there, too, for us to prove what all he's saying is true.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, I've got three Senate hearing transcripts on CD-ROM on my website that anybody could get.
	Well, I cannot let you give out a website address, sir.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, well, what this is, is three different... One of them is biological testing involving human subjects.
	You mentioned one of them, talking about Ms.
	O'Leary, the report that she gives.
	Here's O'Leary, yes.
	And human radiation and scientific experiments, co-work.
	All right, look, I don't doubt any of that, but we are talking now about a specific current program, specifically spraying by jet planes with God knows what, with what ostensibly appear to be contrails.
	That's what you're talking about wanting to go for, is going over some of the things that have been done already for us.
	Yeah.
	all the different cities across the country.
	Yeah.
	It's called, what was called a wide area coverage.
	And there was about 300 different cities that was named that they actually admit to doing that.
	William, is that roughly accurate?
	That's very accurate. And I have to agree with you, I have trouble with this story and I'm in the middle of it myself.
	This is a huge effort if this in fact is going on.
	I hope that I've demonstrated tonight or at least pointed out that we have precedent, as the speaker is reaffirming, and we have pattern.
	We do not have, repeat, we do not have proof We need blood tests.
	We need sample tests.
	We need more media involvement.
	We do have precedent.
	We do have pattern.
	And we have hundreds of very detailed reports.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Mr. Thomas.
	I'm Marcia in Fort Smith, Arkansas.
	Hi there.
	I'm listening to you on KWHN 1320 AM.
	Mr. Thomas, you mentioned earlier that Sallisaw, Oklahoma had been the subject of some of this.
	Can you tell me more about that?
	Because I'm just about 30 miles from Sallisaw.
	Yes, I can.
	Arkansas has quite a few sighting reports, and I have been in close touch with a gentleman named Pat Edgar, who has said that he's seen this cobwebbing stuff coming down From what he calls zig-zagging jets all day long, line after line, back and forth, like furrows in a farm field.
	Up to 30 contrails, he mentioned, on a sunny day last October.
	Now, Art, this is important.
	He says there is a lot of lupus in the area since the sprain.
	A lot of women have come down with it.
	There's a lot of lupus in Oklahoma after the sprain.
	There are many reports of fibromyalgia.
	These symptoms exactly correspond to mycoplasm fermentans, the Gulf War illness infectious agent.
	Okay, Salasaw.
	We have a native woman named Mary Young who was watching television late last January, last month, and about a quarter to three in the morning she heard an airplane circling And it got closer and closer and finally it thundered right over her roof.
	She said the windows rattled, the house shook, and something like sand hit the windows.
	Oh boy.
	Oh boy, that's right.
	She's been sick ever since.
	She says her eyes hurt.
	We heard that from a caller tonight.
	Her joints hurt.
	She's been coughing.
	She's acutely ill.
	Pat Egger came back to me and said that many people in that area, he mentioned four dozen people, are complaining of nosebleeds, respiratory ailments, and aircraft circling in the dark.
	Spring.
	What part of Arkansas was he in?
	Well, he's near Sallisaw himself.
	Okay, so he must be around Van Buren or Fort Smith.
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	Near Fort Smith and a place called Gore, 46 miles from Fort Smith.
	Okay, Gore is in Oklahoma.
	Pardon me?
	Gore is in Oklahoma.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I'm in Fort Smith.
	We've gone Fort Chaffee just barely to the east of us.
	We have 188th Tactical Fighter Group stationed at the airport here in Fort Smith.
	And there are black helicopters at Fort Chaffee.
	No markings whatsoever.
	Well, there's black helicopters all over the place.
	They fly over my house all the time.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, this was the first I'd heard of them being here in the Fort Smith area.
	But we do have planes and copters both flying very low late at night.
	I'm at most nights listening to you.
	And I haven't seen any of the cobwebby stuff.
	That I've heard the planes and choppers late at night and I don't go out to see what's going on.
	Because I was I came down with pneumonia just before Christmas, and I've been having problems since then.
	My husband really had a difficult time keeping from going into total pneumonia.
	He was on antibiotics, and I've quit smoking because of this.
	Well, here's my problem.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Look, how do we separate the wheat from the chaff from the cobwebs?
	In other words, There's a lot of planes that fly.
	Big deal.
	There's a lot of helicopters that fly, even at night.
	They do training missions.
	Big deal.
	Normal stuff.
	Nothing to be shocked or scared about.
	How do we separate normal traffic from this horrid thing you're talking about that may be chemically or biologically, intentionally affecting Human beings, Americans, Canadians, Mexicans, whoever.
	How do we separate all this out?
	I mean, we're gonna have people looking up at the sky and saying, oh my god, poison chondrails.
	You know, I don't want that.
	I don't want that either.
	That's the last thing I want.
	I suggest that we can separate the masking effect of military and commercial aircraft activity.
	Normal flus and asthma this time of year.
	With the consequences that seem to follow actual spray events.
	As Pat Edgar told me late January after these aircraft went over at low altitude.
	We can't ascribe this to normal flight operations or military operations because he said Everybody in this town is sick, sicker than a damn dog.
	It's in their sinuses, in their throat, their ears are ringing.
	If people are that sick after these flights, there is something abnormal going on because usually communities and schools do not come down with these acute symptoms after normal flight operations that we're all used to.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm one of the ones who's sick, and I'm so sick right now, I didn't know if I could make it on this line.
	Where are you?
	This is Healing Woman, believe it or not.
	I'm calling for you from Montana, picking you up on 1110 out of Omaha, and We've been having these lines in our valley.
	Last week, at the south end of the valley, back and forth, back and forth.
	And then, on Saturday, they flew directly over my house area.
	And on Monday, I didn't feel well, and by Tuesday afternoon, I was down for the count.
	I picked up my husband at the airport, and by the afternoon of Tuesday, he was with me.
	We both were running 103 fever.
	We have sinus infection you can't believe, bronchial infection that sounds like it's going into pneumonia.
	I am a nurse 35 years.
	I've never seen anything like this.
	Really?
	And I've been doing alternative practice for 10 years and I mean I have a lot a lot of water under my bridge.
	I really know something about immune systems.
	My husband and I work very hard at maintaining our immune systems.
	I've got some questions and we both went through the Gulf War Syndrome too and we healed ourselves
	from that one.
	My husband was an oil consultant.
	He went to Kuwait a week after the war and came home and nine months later came down
	with that.
	Oh boy.
	Then three and a half years later I got it, which is very scary.
	Anyway, I'm curious about the incubation period on this thing.
	Healing woman, sit there and be silent during the break and try and get feeling better and we'll come back to you after the break.
	William Thomas is my guest and we're talking about contrails.
	He calls them chemtrails.
	How about it out there?
	Do you buy it?
	I guess if you do the research there's certain parts of it you've got to buy because they're admitted publicly.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast William Thomas and again I want to get these email addresses out now.
	One of them, the first one I'm going to give you is if you wish to report an unusual occurrence or an observation yourself and that would be RichardY2K at CCMS.net.
	Repeating, RichardY2K at CCMS.
	That's Charlie, Charlie, Mary, Sugar.
	CCMS.net.
	The other is for William Thomas directly, and what we're hoping to do is to get some other media involved.
	It seems like I'm fighting this all my life, my radio life, my professional life.
	We tend to stay ahead of the curve here, as you know, and so any media who would like to make some inquiries of an author, an investigative journalist who has obviously done his homework and has more than just hot air to back up what he is saying, if you're in the media, And you want to know more, then please email William Thomas at wilco, that's W-I-L-C-O, at islandnet, one word, dot com.
	That's wilco, at islandnet, I-S-L-A-N-D-N-E-T, dot com.
	All, I presume, lowercase, right?
	That's correct.
	Okay, good.
	All right, here come the phone calls again.
	First time caller line.
	Oh, no, wait.
	I shouldn't be there.
	Let's go back to Healing Woman.
	Are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay.
	Well, the question I had just before you went off was, what's the incubation time on this thing?
	Number one.
	Okay.
	You want to answer that one first?
	All right.
	Is there such a thing, William, as apparent incubation after exposure?
	Yes, there is, Art.
	There are two different times and it seems to depend on people's individual immune systems.
	Commonly, people who witness a sprain in the afternoon have been stricken by midnight or early the following morning, sometimes even ending up in an emergency room.
	Also, people are reporting an exposure on Thursday Where they've seen these contrails and remarked about them to their family and friends.
	They have gotten sick the following Saturday, so you have about a 48 hour incubation time.
	So it either hits you pretty quickly, within 8, 10, 12 hours, or it's a couple of days later.
	And that is the pattern that I'm seeing.
	Well that fits like an ugly glove.
	You know, the next question, you went to a commercial break and you never answered it.
	And you said you had the answer.
	And that is, why are they doing this to us?
	Of course, I don't know why.
	I don't even know the who that we've identified the aircraft involved as Air Force tankers and tactical aircraft.
	Again, I will just suggest to you As a researcher, as a journalist, a couple of quotes.
	Former National Security Council head Henry Kissinger often spoke of the need to drastically reduce the human population.
	He said, it's too bad we can't use atomic weapons.
	That's a bit too obvious.
	We have something even better.
	This is the man who took The United States germ warfare program underground after President Nixon internationally made a pledge to outlaw it.
	Kissinger said we have to reduce world population by at least 60%.
	He said that in front of the United Nations.
	At the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio, Maurice Strong said, quote, Man is a species out of control.
	Isn't it the only hope for the planet that the industrialized nations collapse?
	Isn't it up to us to bring that about?
	Art, you mentioned CNN.
	The head of that organization, Ted Turner, said, quote, right now there are just too many people on the planet.
	We need to cut the world's population from the current 5 billion to 250 to 235 million people.
	Prince Philip concurs.
	The head of the World Wildlife Fund said, if I were reincarnated, I would wish to return to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.
	And finally, the late Jacques Costeau said, quote, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day and urge drastic, unconventional decisions.
	The operative word is useless eaters.
	That must be eliminated.
	I call it the lifeboat syndrome.
	Who stays and who goes.
	I will make a further observation as an investigative journalist that the people hardest hit by this sprain are the elderly.
	Primarily the elderly.
	And we can look across the water to England.
	The BBC reports that On January 14th, the BBC reported that more than 8,000 people, mostly elderly, have died, underlined died, from pneumonia and other respiratory complications in the last week of December and the first two weeks of January 1999.
	It's usually the older people, the younger people, and people with compromised immune systems.
	Correct.
	The weak.
	Uh, alright, first time call our line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Yeah, um, these Comtras, I live in Utah up in Logan.
	Yes, sir.
	And, uh, the Comtras, I'm right on kind of a major airway path.
	A lot of airplanes that fly overhead.
	And I notice the different configurations, and I don't know if they're Comtras or not, but some of them kind of have a spiral effect.
	And they last for quite a while in the air and don't dissipate like the usual, you know, um, lines from an airplane.
	Is it possible they could be the contrail effect?
	It's interesting that people who live near airways such as yourself have a ready-made comparison in the skies above them and they are telling me that they see normal contrails at the same time that they are witnessing other contrails that do not dissipate.
	I presume at nearly the same altitudes and they say that this is very striking.
	They have literally side-by-side comparisons.
	Yeah, because I've noticed some, and like I said, they kind of have a spiral effect and they stay in the air for a long time and don't, you know, go away like, like, you know, normal, you know, trailing from an airplane.
	Most of the time contrails go away, but there are indeed times, weather conditions that will hold a contrail in the air or even Uh, on occasion, uh, it'll turn into a weather front or, you know, a cloud bank.
	But this is rather unusual.
	Not usual.
	The usual is a contrail fades away seconds, uh, and up to a minute after it forms.
	Uh, have you guys, have, uh, you thought that it's possible that maybe they, uh, you know, that the pharmaceutical companies could be involved in this as well?
	With the, you know, the government to, uh, You know, help promote and push their line of product on people?
	Well, the pharmaceutical line of products are not working to alleviate this illness, and if I might carry on on that thought and introduce some good news into a rather heavy program tonight, there is one, two effective treatments for people who are listening who are ill and have family members who are ill.
	What I am told is that two things work colloidal silver and ozone or oxygen treatment are very very effective against the flu-like symptoms.
	I must say quickly that I hesitate recommending colloidal silver because it is a metal And if we take, ingest more than is needed to eliminate the stuff from our bodies, we could cause more harm by this metal than what we are dealing with.
	So I urge anyone interested in this treatment to seek professional advice and to use this very carefully.
	But again, it does work.
	Apparently, it's quite effective for the flu-like symptoms.
	Unfortunately, we have another problem associated, possibly associated, with this brain that we'll get into in a moment here.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead and get into it.
	Okay, let's get into it.
	My friend William Wallace, who I mentioned on the last show, has gone to the media on three occasions.
	And on each occasion, he and his wife, Ann, Up in the mountains in Washington State have been visited by jet aircraft or twin turbine propeller aircraft who sprayed their house and only their house at low level.
	I am very, very upset to learn from William Wallace last week that he now has symptoms that are markers for mycoplasm fermentans, the Gulf War illness.
	Right.
	Short-term memory loss is now a problem with him, and I hope he'll forgive me for making it public, but it is the primary marker symptom of burning sperm.
	A very red flag, if you will.
	And, of course, the muscle and joint pain and other symptoms of the mycoplasm fermentans.
	I would suggest to people who are extremely ill to get tested for mycoplasm, not the fermentans, but the pneumonial variant of the mycoplasm, which, very interesting art, is found in the human white blood cell.
	That has apparently been tested and found to be present in the cobweb fallout from the sprain.
	Other characteristics of mycoplasma pneumonia are violent long-term hacking cough, fibromyalgia-like joint pain, fluish symptoms, and pneumonia.
	I think we're on to something here, but we're going to need lab tests to confirm.
	Brother.
	Brother is right.
	I mean, it just gets worse and worse.
	Uh, wildcard line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hello.
	Yes, I'm in Knoxville, Tennessee.
	Yes, sir, you're going to have to speak up good and loud for us.
	I'm in Knoxville, Tennessee.
	Right.
	And is there a test for this Suetomonas arginosa or whatever it is?
	I'm sorry, the question?
	Is there a test?
	Some kind of blood test or something?
	Oh, yes.
	It's a quite a simple blood test.
	And I will say very loudly that I've had one person who is very ill tested for this and that person tested negative.
	We do need more tests and I am very interested in hearing the results, positive or negative.
	I would like to eliminate this, but apparently it has been found in this spray.
	But yes, it's a fairly simple blood test.
	I will say, sir, that it's very common in hospitals if If people have been hospitalized, it's not a good indicator of this spray.
	But if people have been taken ill, have not been hospitalized, and are tested positive, I would certainly like to hear about it.
	Well, one reason I was concerned about this is this past fall, I got a heavy-duty case of bronchitis and sinus infection like I've never had before.
	And I had to take six rounds of antibiotics for it before I finally knocked it out.
	They kept changing them to a different type.
	And then after it's all over, ever since then, every seven to ten days, I start getting symptoms like I'm coming down with the flu or something, and it stays with me for 48 hours, and then it's gone.
	I have several reports from the Knoxville area, and apparently you've got Quite a few hospital admissions, at least enough to make W.A.T.E.
	TV.
	It does seem to be reoccurring.
	And, gee, that's about all I can say.
	Some people, as you say, seem to knock it out in 48 hours.
	Many, many people seem to be stricken for weeks.
	And quite a few people I'm in touch with say that it is recurrent.
	Well, like I say, the first time, it stayed with me for six or eight weeks before it finally went away.
	Right.
	But ever since then, every seven to ten days, I start getting symptoms like I'm coming down with a cold or a flu or something.
	Yeah.
	And then in 48 hours, I'm fine.
	Caller, I'm with you all the way.
	I have experienced the same thing.
	Many of my friends are experiencing that very thing right now.
	Symptoms as though you're coming down with a cold.
	I mean, they're all there.
	The scratchy throat, Um, all the rest of it.
	The typical symptoms.
	Headache, you know, all the rest of it.
	And then it will go away.
	And then it will come back.
	Again and again and again.
	That probably has meaning.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Hello, um...
	There was a television show in 1979 or 1980 or something like that.
	It was called Project Blue Book and it came on NBC on Sunday nights.
	Each episode featured something that was supposedly adapted from an actual case that was studied by the guys from Project Blue Book.
	One of the episodes was entirely about angel hair, which was this wispy cobweb-like material that fell out of the skies.
	It evaporated or dissipated before I could find out what it was.
	But that was on the TV show and there's also something else interesting.
	Which is, I went to Virginia Tech in Blacksburg and one of my microbiology professors was talking to us about Pseudomonas.
	And before you even said Pseudomonas, I remembered that he told us about this, that it was used to, it was sprayed from airplanes on urban areas to test the dispersion patterns of these kinds of agents. And I think he mentioned, I could
	give you his name off the air or something like that, he mentioned that people had died from it
	because it was sprayed in the area of a hospital and because it's an opportunistic infection and it affected
	these immunocompromised people and they died from it. There might have even been legal
	action, although I don't remember.
	William? I do have a verification from medical researchers and a very, very long website name
	that Pseudomonas has been used as a biological warfare simulant over American population centers.
	That is absolutely accurate and I do hope we can track that professor's name perhaps to my email or to Art.
	Uncertainly, I don't have access to email at the moment though.
	Alright Colin, I appreciate it.
	You can get, remember, Even though you don't own a computer, if you need access to email, you can go to a library.
	Most libraries these days have computers, and you can just sit down and use them.
	It's as simple as that.
	Get on the internet and send or receive email or go to a website, whatever.
	One more time, if you want to reach William Thomas, and you want to report something that you have seen or experienced or know about, The email address to use is richardy2k at ccms.net.
	All together.
	Run all together.
	richardy2k at ccm, as in Mary, s, as in sugar, dot net.
	Or, if you're in the media and would like to communicate directly with William Thomas and want to know more, Want to begin getting involved in this story?
	Then send email to William at Wilco, that's W-I-L-C-O, at IslandNet, one word, IslandNet.com.
	And that's how you get hold directly of William Thomas.
	And if everybody would be so kind as to please Adhere to this.
	We want to be able, you know, we want the media to be able to get through.
	And if thousands of emails go to William directly, they're not going to get through, and they're not going to get the story, which means you're not going to get the story.
	One more hour, William?
	One more hour.
	All right, good.
	Stay right where you are.
	This is Coast to Coast AM in the nighttime.
	Only at the nighttime.
	After dark.
	I'm going to play a clip of the video.
	web of deceit pardon the pun We're talking about contrails, or as he calls them, chemtrails.
	He believes that we are literally being poisoned from our own skies by our own planes.
	It's something to consider indeed.
	I, you know, I think that I don't want to believe it.
	Is that a fair comment?
	I don't want to believe it.
	But I am leaning toward it.
	I've taken my own photographs.
	I've got one on the website if you want.
	Welcome back.
	Thanks Art.
	You still awake?
	Hanging in there?
	Oh I'm very much awake.
	I'll tell you I'm not bored with this story.
	I understand.
	I'm tempted to call into my own Interview tonight with an email, if I may, read an email that I think would be of great interest to the listeners here and raised another red flag just this morning.
	All right.
	This comes from Ashfork, Arizona.
	It's from Dave Lawrence, and he wrote me last week saying that they were experiencing what he calls a situation in Ashfork.
	He says, Numerous local residents have lost livestock and our people have asked me to talk about the dying animals tonight.
	All right.
	Including the death of 17 horses, numerous wildlife in the immediate area.
	A federal task force has interrogated us and there is a military presence throughout the area.
	The symptoms are always fatal to animals, I presume, and we have been told that this is caused by an unnatural toxin.
	Numerous residents have observed late-night unmarked helicopters flying low over the area.
	Toxic waste disposal trucks being driven by uniformed military personnel have also been seen on rural residential streets.
	Now this is important.
	A fine mist-like hairspray substance was observed on the backs of many of the animals.
	One rancher has lost three horses to whatever this is.
	I read this and thought, This is very strange.
	And then, today I was going through these medical research studies, and this jumped out at me.
	Pseudomonas causes a disease in horses known as glanders.
	In other words, Pseudomonas kills horses.
	And, uh, I'll just put that out there.
	All right.
	All right.
	Um, first time caller line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Yes?
	Yes, you.
	Hello, uh, William?
	Good evening.
	I can barely hear you, sir.
	Yell at us.
	Oh, pardon me.
	I'm originally from Michigan, and one day I noticed there were two low-level flying KC-135 tanker planes.
	They were on mark and they were practicing touching goal landings at the International
	Airport and all day long they were flying real low and slow around the whole city.
	About a day and a half later, they were leaving these contrails as you say, and about a day
	and a half later I started having chest pain and I had to be admitted into the hospital
	for a collapsed lung.
	And I'm just curious if you know of any agent that would induce such a thing because they
	just attributed it to a spontaneous pneumothorax.
	A higher dose of JP-8 ethylene dibromide would certainly do that, but that's a very high dose indeed.
	What color was this aircraft?
	They were dark military green.
	There were two of them.
	Yeah, it's really hard to say, sir.
	Some of these touch-and-go's indicate normal training practice.
	I can tell you that there are 88 flying units in the Air National Guard in the United States, flying out of 170 different installations.
	18 of these units are air refueling wings, and they fly the KC-135.
	Each unit usually has four aircraft.
	I can tell you tonight that there are a good dozen people out there keeping a close eye on the major Air Force bases throughout the United States and they're telling me that these Air National Guard tankers stay mostly on the ground And so far they have been painted a flat light gray military color such as you've just described.
	At no time have they seen these all white or in some cases solid black tanker planes.
	So it doesn't seem to be coming from the usual Air National Guard units.
	And I'm not sure that the touch and go's and the flights you described could or necessarily are linked to your lung problem, but I will admit that it's certainly suggestive.
	Yeah, the curious thing about it was that the patient in the next Uh, semi-private room with me was, uh, had been admitted for a pneumonia problem too, so.
	Now that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right, sir.
	I very much appreciate the call and you never quite know what to make of this, William.
	I mean, there are these things that occur spontaneously.
	There is pneumonia that occurs fairly widespread.
	Uh, but then on the other hand, You seem to have amassed an awful lot of evidence that a lot of this is not normal.
	Art, I'm convinced that something is going on.
	The weight of evidence points to, again, precedent and pattern.
	I'm still not sure who is behind this or what the purpose is, except I'm increasingly suspecting a biological warfare experiment.
	What bothers me in all of this is Gosh, the experiment's been done.
	The effects have been noted.
	Why is this continuing?
	This bothers me.
	I'll say very quickly to the skeptics out there that you remember we were talking about Spraying over 239 cities and communities and people checking this out.
	We'll get this, Art.
	Right now, as we speak, there is a nationwide flu study sponsored by the Center for Disease Control.
	They have a 1-800 number.
	1-800 number. It's 1-800-I-got-flu. And if you've got the flu, you can call this number
	and ask to participate in the studies.
	Now this is very suggestive.
	I've been in touch with a woman whose daughter got very sick very, very fast in Ohio.
	So she called 1-800-IGOT-FLU.
	The mom called the number.
	And she tells me she was shocked to learn that you must meet certain criteria to qualify for the study.
	For example, You must live within a 35 mile radius of an outbreak.
	You must have specific symptoms and only specific symptoms, which she was not given over the phone.
	You have to have gotten sick within a certain time frame.
	The study requires that if you pass the requirement test, you go in for a medical exam and treatments and five visits over five weeks or longer, which she thought it seems a very long time to have the flu.
	I couldn't agree more.
	And I've had the version that comes and goes and comes and goes and comes and goes.
	Endlessly, it seems.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Hello, Mr. Bill.
	Hi.
	This is Lori in Anchorage on K9 650.
	Anchorage, yes.
	And I just wanted to give an update to that study you were just talking about, the 1-800-I-GOT-FLU.
	Yes.
	I'm a native here, and I go to the native hospital, and I've had this flu symptoms for almost a year.
	and they have me in respiratory therapy.
	And when I was talking to the technician there, she was telling me how the government wanted them
	to keep an anonymous subject illness list, you know, on when there's a peak period
	and what's the common symptoms that everybody has.
	And I just thought that was just kind of odd because since he just brought that up.
	And also you said earlier that you smelled a certain scent before you got sick.
	That's right.
	And the scent that I was smelling around in our area was like an intense alcohol mixed with like burning plastic.
	Is that not the same that you've experienced?
	Or how about this, Art?
	Did it smell like a mill town?
	One person described it as a mill town or oil refinery.
	You know, I can only give you what I gave earlier and that's kind of a vague.
	I A sense of burning, but not the normal... God, I can't put it to words.
	A sort of a sense of something burning, but I have not quite smelled the smell before, so... I'm sorry.
	How do you describe a smell?
	It's like trying to describe a color.
	I'm sorry, I don't have any reference to be able to tell you.
	Just a sort of a sense of something burning.
	That I have not smelled before.
	And also, I've thoroughly enjoyed the articles in the National Examiner on your book, The Source, and I just wanted to say thank you for putting it out there for us.
	You bet.
	Happy to do it.
	Take care.
	It is true.
	There are weekly articles now in the Examiner.
	Have you checked it out?
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	This is Tom.
	Perry, Iowa.
	Listening, KRNT 1350 in Des Moines.
	Happy to have you.
	Mr. Thomas, wasn't JP-8 the fuel originally formulated to power the SR-71?
	There you go, and thank you for that lead-in.
	I guess it's late enough, Art, I can say this over the air, but the smell might be Panther piss.
	And that is the nickname given by Air Force refueling people to the additive used with the SR-71 Blackbird.
	And they named it this because of the smell.
	It almost stank.
	It was a very strong odor.
	And this was added to the JP-8 in order to eliminate contrails.
	Because you have an aircraft flying so high, so stealthily you can't paint it with normal detection but
	if it puts a bright white line across the sky, this Air Force refueler told me, you're
	going to lose your stealth and your aircraft so they put this additive in. One problem, it's
	a very potent insecticide and carcinogen and it too is a banned substance.
	All right.
	Yeah, I have some more information here.
	Oh, wow.
	The JP-8, now you understand the SR-71 has been retired.
	Yes.
	And I'm suggesting a logical explanation for this would be the government burning off reserves of this fuel.
	Now I don't know if that's happening, but that's just a logical explanation for it.
	And they may be mixing it with the more volatile normal jet fuels to get rid of the reserves.
	But I have some other information here.
	About a year and a half ago, I attended a Prophecy Club meeting.
	It's an outfit from Topeka, Kansas, a Christian organization.
	And they had a speaker there.
	His name was Al Cuppett.
	C-U-P-P-E-T-T.
	And Art, you've got to get this guy on the air.
	He was a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	And he's known by the Prophecy Club as Mr. C. Well, look, uh, if you have somebody you would like on the air, sir, uh, simply contact me, uh, and provide me, please, with contact information.
	In other words, a way for me to get hold of this person.
	Um, I would like to urge everybody who wants me to have somebody on to do that.
	Provide a phone number is best, uh, web addresses are second best, but give me something to go on.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Good evening, Mr. Bell.
	Hello.
	Hello, William.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Sure, where are you?
	I'm in Mount Shasta, California.
	Not in it, I presume, but on it or near it?
	On the slope.
	Hopefully not in it yet.
	First, Mr. Bell, I'd like to say that I think you're very correct in being very cautious with the issue tonight.
	It is frightening.
	And we are, as a nation, and probably as a world, seeing diseases and outbreaks that we haven't seen before, or many generations, and environmental things, and we're all looking for something to focus these issues on.
	And I'm going to come from a skeptic's point of view tonight.
	Sure.
	Just in the sense that I appreciate the program because I have seen the very same type of trails in the sky But everyone is talked of tonight.
	Our communities up here have experienced the same types of illnesses, the same types of outbreaks.
	Something a little more unusual perhaps happened here at my home with a herd of goats that I have in the backyard and I'm glad you spoke about how it affects animals because we had a few goats and one of our favorite goats just became tragically ill within a 12 to 14 hour period.
	It flat out died and it was a very healthy 12-month-old goat, a very good breeder, a very expensive goat, very well taken care of.
	My vet kept telling me that he smelt chemical from my goat from his breath and he checked his eyes and his gums and and felt through his body and knew that something chemical had happened to my goat but I knew because of the way I keep my goats That nothing could have happened to my goat.
	And it did so happen early that day.
	My little boy and I were watching the sky and he was five years old and really into seeing the airplanes and he was playing tic-tac-toe in the sky out on the front lawn.
	And I laid down on the lawn with him and I, you know, we were musing at the patterns but they weren't anything for me to pay attention to until your show tonight.
	If I see them in the future, I hope I won't be fearful, but I hope I will be more observant because of the information you've delivered.
	And I think that's good.
	Yeah, I think a lot of people after hearing this are going to be more observant.
	For sure.
	Yes.
	But what I worry about is that people will have no way of really discerning between a normal old contrail and what they will worry is something that's going to poison them.
	Well I think I'd probably agree with William that that probably may come through experience because as I was saying that day that we saw those that night four of my five goats died and we became very ill.
	And I never really put it together until tonight.
	There have been other things that happened in our area.
	We have a massive outbreak here of multiple sclerosis.
	Listen, I've got to break you up because I've got to take a quick break.
	So stay right where you are, please.
	And we will be right back.
	Back to William Thomas and Ara Kaller.
	Kaller, you're back on the air again.
	Thank you, Mr. Bell.
	Sure.
	I wanted to throw one thing at you and leave you ponder that for a few minutes while I throw a few quick things at William and I'll be real quick.
	Alright.
	First I'd like to ask you, in 1997 you had a guest, and I can't remember his name, who talked about a virus that was to appear in Africa.
	Major Ed Dames.
	Yes sir, that was his name, correct, so you recall.
	Yes.
	What that was about, it was about a virus that would travel and travel through the air and first start in Africa and then cross the country.
	I recall, yes.
	My question in mind draws to the fact that you also spoke about this bacteria that they are creating to kill hemp.
	And I was wondering for William, William are you seeing any of these effects also in other countries?
	Is it only just America where you're seeing it?
	And I was wondering, since some of the test samples have shown human cells, or human DNA, shouldn't those also be testable in water and soil samples?
	And have any of those been done?
	That would absolutely make sense.
	Hold it there, you're asking a lot of questions.
	Okay, I have a couple more.
	Alright, take your answer.
	Water and soil samples, she makes a very good point.
	Yes, and we urgently need those samples to be tested.
	The problem, of course, is that these cobweb-like materials do not hang around for testing.
	They sublimate or dissolve very rapidly.
	So that people are having a hard time gathering them up.
	And a few people have corresponded and said they've taken them to labs and the labs won't give them the report back.
	So there's that problem as well.
	I would like to see that sampling done.
	This Pseudomonas is very resilient and likes wet soil very much.
	So we ought to be able to get a handle on it if enough people can collect samples and get them in.
	We are seeing, as I mentioned, A huge epidemic of upper respiratory illness and fatalities in England after X's were observed over London and other cities.
	And this goop was observed on windshields.
	The person who wrote me said it took a high-pressure spray to get it off his windshield.
	And BBC reported over 91,000 cases of people reporting to hospitals with acute upper respiratory problems in recent weeks.
	I have reports of contrail sightings in Europe and in Australia, but I have absolutely no details at this time.
	All right.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	I would also like to know if it's possible That perhaps this is being done to boost our own immune systems to a projected war or possible war in your opinion.
	And my last question would be a government or a structure organized enough to create a virus that would attack specific groups such as young and old.
	It's also corrupt enough to realize that the young is the most programmable and trainable to their benefit.
	And so I don't understand and I find it hard to buy just because I can't see them killing both.
	Her first question relating to could they be doing something for our own good.
	Could they, for example, be vaccinating us against something that they feel might be used against the general population?
	Have you considered that?
	I have considered it.
	Many people are asking me, is this some kind or could this be an aerial inoculation?
	I'm saying it's very ineffective.
	It seems hit and miss.
	It's very costly.
	Rural areas are being sprayed as often or more often than large population centers.
	If you're going to inoculate a populace against a biological attack, I've read extensively on this eventuality.
	You vaccinate cities, you go to the big population centers, and you do it on the ground.
	It doesn't seem to be effective.
	It does seem to be making people very, very sick and really Uh, crashing their immune systems.
	Um, this is not something you want to do to a population if it, in fact, faces a biological threat.
	So, I, I don't buy it.
	Anything is possible at this point.
	I do remain open to, uh, any suggestion that's plausible.
	But this one, uh, from a military standpoint, from a government standpoint, I'm not certain at all.
	One thing that struck me, Art, the caller from Mount Shasta mentioned a multiple sclerosis outbreak.
	MS usually isn't associated with outbreaks.
	I would suggest to her that this isn't MS at all, but very possibly mycoplasm fermentans, which has the exact same symptomology as MS.
	And again, I would very much like to see people tested and those reports emailed into our network here.
	Alright, first time caller line, you are now on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Yes, hi.
	Where are you, sir?
	We're Ferndale, Washington.
	Ferndale, all right.
	Canadian border.
	Yes, sir.
	And, uh, my wife's on the extension phone.
	All right, well, that's not going to work out, uh, because I can barely hear you.
	Okay.
	That's better.
	That's better?
	Okay, there we go.
	Um, well, uh, back in November, uh, we went and walked our dog out in a ball field, and there, it was covered with, like, what we thought were spider webs.
	And I said, well, there's no way a whole field could be covered with spider webs.
	And we, Um, you know, picked some up, touched it, you know, said, that's really weird.
	Never seen anything like it before.
	And, um, now hearing this on your show and going, geez, I wonder if that's what that was.
	Spider webs, huh?
	Yeah, I mean, it's just, like, uh, the whole field just covered.
	William?
	But you didn't get sick from it, or your dog, or your wife?
	Well, no, um, I know we've, ever since then, off and on, seemed like we try to come down with a cold, like a sore throat and all that, but then it goes away.
	But we've been going through this.
	Yes, this Pseudomonas I think is a fairly simple blood test.
	Actually, my grandmother just passed away from pneumonia.
	They can never get a handle on it.
	I'm hearing that from everybody.
	I'm hearing it too.
	We were wondering if there's a way of testing antibodies in the blood to know if you've
	been exposed to something or...
	Yes, this Pseudomonas I think is a fairly simple blood test.
	In fact, the Mycoplasma is more involved, but it can be tested for.
	Mm-hmm.
	We're just wondering about long-range effects.
	Oh, the short-range effects are worrying enough.
	But I don't know the answer to that, sir.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, thanks.
	Thank you very much for the call, and take care.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with William Thomas and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Yeah, good morning, Art.
	This is Dan in Virginia.
	Hello, Dan.
	Previous caller kind of hit on the population.
	It was being affected in other parts of the world.
	I was thinking also it'd be interesting, I know this is a wild stretch, to correlate any sightings.
	Uh, other, you know, than airplanes over these centers that are having these outbreaks.
	It's just something that'd be interesting to see if there's any kind of correlation.
	But I've done that, in fact.
	Oh, really?
	And there is an exact correlation, and you will find that on my website, uh, with the third article I've just posted.
	And, in fact, I went through the, um, documented evidence I had of Outbreaks, people reporting to hospital in record numbers with these sightings, and they match exactly.
	That's phenomenal.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you, Dan.
	Good morning.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I used to live just two miles from an Air Force base, directly under the flight path that they would come in on when they were landing, usually, and sometimes when they were taking off.
	And I've had arthritis since I was in my 20s and I've had constant chest infections and pneumonia and stuff since I was in my teens.
	Do you think that might be connected to this ethylene dibromide or something?
	I think it very possibly could be.
	And as I mentioned earlier, people living around Air Force bases are exposed to groundwater contamination from jet fuel spills and a degreasing agent.
	Um, that has infiltrated groundwater supplies in many American cities and communities around airbases.
	Mm-hmm.
	And, uh, uh, is that... The, uh, the Epling dibromide is the one that goes back the, the most years, right?
	Oh, that's right.
	1994, they switched... 1991, excuse me, they switched over from JP4 to JP8.
	It was banned in the late 80s.
	Could they have been using it as, uh, As far back as the 70s?
	Not officially, but other attitudes may have been used.
	I have no hard information on that.
	The official changeover was 91.
	And do you have a list of those 239 cities on your website?
	No, I don't.
	The information tonight isn't on my website, but it will be.
	And, uh, I think I've got about a dozen cities listed in this, uh, in this report, but again, the 239 was a stretch of years in the 1960s, sir, and it does not include, uh, the 80s or the 70s or the 50s.
	Uh-huh.
	So, uh, if we did that, we'd go to a much higher number.
	Again, this is from U.S.
	Senate investigations.
	Mm-hmm.
	All right, caller.
	All right, thank you.
	Thank you, and, uh, take care.
	And west of the Rockies, your turn with William Thomas.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi, William.
	Aloha from Hawaii.
	This is Joe.
	Long time, no talk.
	Hi, Joe.
	How you doing?
	Uh, William, got a question for you.
	With all the amount of aircraft that I'm hearing, uh, everyone talk about, is there any, uh, has your investigation led to any, um, Anything being said by the FAA?
	Any air traffic controllers recording any of these aircraft doing these crisscross patterns?
	Yes, have you heard from FAA pilots?
	Anybody like that, William?
	The only thing the FAA has told us, us being people investigating this, is one, these are normal flight operations.
	These are international training flights.
	And see, yeah, there's something going on, but these are not our aircraft.
	And those are the three responses from the FAA.
	Well, I would think that the air traffic controllers, the guys, the everyday guys that sit behind the scopes, would be able to, you know, see the patterns being flown in the sky.
	And also, maybe even, if we put a call out to them, might even tell us where the flights are originating.
	He does make a good point with respect to the X's that we're talking about, and so forth.
	That would be an air traffic control concern, wouldn't it?
	Absolutely, as would the grid patterns.
	And the aircraft today, of course, are equipped with digital transponders, which would report not only their airspeed, Altitude and heading, but I talked to an air traffic controller the other day up here in Canada And he said it would also give them information on the type of aircraft and its registry Who owns the aircraft who is responsible for it?
	I dearly hope someone would come forward From the air traffic controller circle to shed some light on this, but you're absolutely right the information should Underline should be there Correct.
	And I believe that some of that information also is recorded information that actually might still be on file somewhere.
	Anyway, great show, guys.
	I'll get off the phone and let everybody else call in.
	Okay, thank you, sir.
	Take care.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, my name's Claudia, and I'm from South Lake Tahoe.
	Yes.
	And about two years ago, I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia.
	And also, in the last week, I had that bronchitis.
	And I'm on the oxygen at home.
	They want to put me in the hospital.
	And that all happened within, like, not even within 24 hours.
	And I have a lawyer, since I had the fibromyalgia, who said that in South Lake Tahoe, all the fibromyalgia cases are acute cases.
	And, like, there's different stages of different, you know, I don't have anything specifically in your area.
	I can say generically that fibromyalgia is on a sharp increase.
	acute. I was wondering if he knows in this area on fibromyalgia if he knows
	that there's anything to do with the sprain in this area?
	All right. I don't have anything specifically in your area. I can say generically
	that fibromyalgia is on a sharp increase. It has been so for several years
	now and again we're back into this masking phenomena.
	Is this related to the widespread suppression and breakdown of our immune systems from a wide range of toxins in the environment, and particularly stress, as I believe it to be?
	Is it related to the contrails as well?
	Very, very hard to separate them.
	And I'm afraid that's about the best I can do, but I am noticing fibromyalgia on the increase, and in some cases, it appears to be associated with the sightings.
	All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with William Thomas.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	I'm from North Central Washington, Sharon.
	Yes, ma'am.
	And for once, first I want to make a comment.
	The gentleman I called from Ferndale, we have a niece and a nephew up in that area, and they and their families have been both very sick since November, too.
	Mm-hmm.
	And also, I had a question if there was any of this area, the north central area, because we call it what they call the Cooley Crud, and it was very severe last year, and it's already starting to come up severe again this year, more than usual.
	All right.
	Yes, I think that is an active area, isn't it, William?
	Extremely active area.
	Absolutely one of the epicenters.
	Yeah, because every one of our cats has had some problems, too, like mouth cancer and sores and cancerous-type sores and such on them.
	Yeah, it would make sense, wouldn't it, Thomas, that animals that would be outside would be particularly exposed and vulnerable to this, huh?
	That's true, and cats should seem to be showing up most often in these reports.
	Yes.
	You're on to something, I don't know what.
	You know, if you're really on to what you think you're on to, isn't this dangerous for you?
	I've given a lot of thought to that.
	Not bad.
	As you can appreciate, it's our first show, and I would have to say at this point, no.
	This is out now.
	Too many people know about it.
	As I say, there are five people investigating this full-time, sending me information.
	This is already broken on Channel 4, and I think it's going to go further very soon.
	So as you know in this business, Art, once it's public, we're a lot safer than sitting on this kind of information.
	So I'm not especially fearful myself at this point.
	We've gotten the story out.
	I would like to add, picking up on that quickly, I'm very concerned tonight and it's not my wish to get on the air and spread fear among people that have plenty to be afraid about.
	I do wish to spread the alarm.
	I think it's very important to yell fire if the building is in fact burning down around us.
	But I would hope to spur people and motivate people to act and to come together.
	This is a time to build alliances I feel and the email we gave out earlier tonight For this network, I would like to see build into a very active network, not just a chat line or a place to file reports, but a place for people who want to become active and have a voice similar to the voice that saved the Miami Circle.
	that could insist and demand and see a congressional investigation launched
	and corporate mainstream media take a look at this I think we could become a very powerful voice very quickly
	indeed.
	Alright, I hope it goes that way.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with William Thomas and not a whole lot of time here, huh?
	Yeah, this is Bill in Chicago.
	Hi, Bill.
	Right after I heard the subject being discussed on your show, it was January 26th, the morning was totally overcast, but in the afternoon the clouds broke up and this area was totally crisscrossed.
	Must have been hundreds.
	Right after that, people started getting sick and my wife has never heard the Art Bell Show or had any kind of concerns.
	Just noticed that the death notices in one weekend newspaper was tenfold.
	Now that would be something to watch.
	I got my ears.
	Attention.
	And so, I'm retired military, so I've always watched the contrails.
	I said, well, if they're flying to Spain, why don't they just fly to Spain?
	Why all this crisscrossing?
	But that day, the morning was totally overcast.
	It looked like it was just going to be overcast all day.
	Well, now, sir, O'Hare, to be fair, is a major hub.
	I mean, you're going to have planes going all over the place.
	No, this was hundreds.
	Of contrails.
	Crisscross.
	Hundreds.
	Yes.
	The afternoon the clouds broke up and it cleared away.
	I'm surprised nobody else has called you and told you about it.
	Well, only so many people can get through, I'm afraid.
	And that's a very tiny percentage.
	William, it has been a pleasure having you on the show again.
	We're way out of time.
	The two email addresses, if you want to report something, it's Richard, the name Richard, Y2K, at CCMS.net.
	If you are in the media and would like to follow up on what you have heard tonight and contact William directly, please send email to wilco, W-I-L-C-O, at islandnet, one word, islandnet.com.
	How's that, William?
	Sounds great, thank you very much, Art.
	Take care, my friend.
	I will, and you too.
	And I mean take care.
	Be safe, in other words.
	Okay, folks, that's it.
	We are out of time.
	Or as some Canadians would say, oops.
	Tomorrow night, Gary North is going to be here.
	And it's going to be a Lollapalooza.
	See you later.

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