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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Patrick Roy Mooney - Terminator Seed Technology
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Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere In Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be, and welcome to another edition of the... The Weird.
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We are going to talk tonight about something that caught my attention.
Really, really, really hard.
And it may well be that I don't understand properly what I should understand.
But it's called Terminator Seed Technology.
And if I understand it correctly, it would put plant diversity, in fact the world's food supply, at risk.
Basically, it is this, I guess.
Right now, In some parts of the world, not necessarily where we are, but in some parts of the world, farmers who don't have money to go buy fresh seed every year do as farmers have done since the beginning of time and get their seeds from the crop that they harvest.
That's the way it used to be done.
I understand that a lot of seed companies have contracts with farmers Contracts the farmers have to sign to get seed, which basically promise they will not use the seed from a crop for next year's crop, whatever.
Why in the hell that even makes sense, I don't know.
But the Terminator seed, or seed technology, I guess you would properly term it, would make the contract moot.
They wouldn't need to sign anything because the seeds would be sterile.
Sterile.
Sterile seeds.
Seeds that could never be used for anything again, they wouldn't grow a thing.
And of course, that's an enforceable contract.
Now, maybe that's alright for large corporations and American farmers, but it sure isn't for the rest of the world, where they need those seeds.
And then just one more thing.
Why would you want to begin to sterilize the seeds?
The basic seeds of life.
You know, the wheat, the barley, the corn.
All those basics.
Why would you want to do that?
If you had half a brain in your head.
I mean, can't you imagine something going wrong?
It's like the marijuana business.
Oh, incidentally, some follow-up to last night's program.
Actually, there's quite a bit of follow-up.
You'll find it on my website.
If you haven't been up there yet, you really ought to go up there and take a look.
Keith has just found some absolutely amazing things.
And I say, I really mean it.
Absolutely amazing things that relate to last night's program.
And as a matter of fact, Actually, validate last night's program.
So, what I would do is, I would suggest strongly you go take a look.
Saddam Hussein is angry at us.
And now he is threatening to retaliate against the U.S.
He's vowing that his people's blood, quote, will not be shed in vain, end quote.
Earlier, U.S.
warplanes, as you know, fired missiles.
One of them went wrong, killed 11 people, injured 59 in and around the city of Basra.
And they've been showing the damage on TV, and it looks pretty significant.
Well, I don't know what he's going to do.
I have no idea what he's going to do.
And I have no idea, frankly, with respect to Iraq, what we are going to do either.
We don't want to win the war, it would appear, because we don't want Saddam really gone, or he'd be gone.
If we wanted to win the war, we could win the war.
We have the power to do that.
Instead, we choose to skirmish, and skirmish.
We fly planes north and south in areas roped off as no-fly zones.
They fire at us, we fire at them.
Things like this happen.
The Senate put up a four and one half hour closed door session in which senators debated whether witnesses should be questioned at the President's trial.
Again, a closed door session.
I think the shameful award of the decade should go to the U.S.
Senate For doing all of this in secret.
Oh, I have to say about it.
Now, they're going to vote tomorrow on the motion to dismiss the case brought by Robert Byrd, Senator Byrd.
Should the motion fail, which probably will, then they will vote immediately on whether or not to call witnesses, but debate on all of this is being done in private, behind closed, locked doors.
Shame on you, Senate.
Shame on you.
is here, and he will of course meet with the President.
By the way, there are updates now, new rules for exorcism within the Catholic Church.
The Vatican issued some new guidelines Tuesday for driving out devils, urging exorcists not to mistake psychiatric illness for diabolic possession, but also stressing the power of evil the new exorcism rite in Latin and contained in a red leather-bound 84 page book also reflects Pope John Paul II's efforts to convince the skeptical that the devil is very much in the world that the existence of the devil isn't an opinion something to take or leave as you wish
said a vatican official who presented the revisions anyone who says he doesn't exist wouldn't have the fullness of the catholic faith in today's world the cardinal said the devil's uh... force comes through widespread acceptance of lies deceit the idolatry of money and sex idolatry of sex and he's meeting with our president Well, he should drive the evil out of the man, shouldn't he?
Maybe that's what he's here for.
A special mission.
Vancouver had an earthquake, didn't you?
Reports of damage, but it was a magnitude 4.6.
Suddenly, a lot of earthquakes.
Have you seen the pictures of the damage from the Columbian earthquake?
My God!
Everything went flat.
And they claim a minimal number of injuries based on what we see.
There ought to be thousands dead.
Now, they're saying, no, it's not true.
But when you look from the air at the damage of that earthquake, it's hard not to imagine that those sorts of numbers were not killed.
That's what they're saying.
Oh, this is cute.
Russia's Defense Ministry admitted Monday It considered the Millennium Computer Bug a problem, and a Pentagon official says a U.S.
delegation is going to go to Moscow next month to talk to them about it.
A ministry spokesman said, there is a problem, and we are working on it.
He said, referring to a fault in which computer software first developed in the early 60s and 70s, of course failed to recognize the year 2000, I'm causing all kinds of trouble, and of course our chief interest, I'm sure, with respect to the Russians, is not so much for their infrastructure, which is pretty well blown away anyway, but for their nuclear weapons.
That's what I would imagine we would be most interested in.
Well, at first there were crop circles, and now there are ice holes.
Altwater is not the only place where star-shaped holes have mysteriously begun to appear.
In Lake Lee on January 10th, Mickey and Sherry Sharp saw similar holes while clearing the pond behind their Maple Grove home for skating.
The holes were small, about the size of a human hand, and with such very sharp, clear-cut edges They could have been made with cookie cutters.
The Sharps and their neighbors were intrigued.
They speculated that muskrats or beavers could have broken through the ice.
A shallow pond.
Except that the ice is nine inches thick.
The edge is so sharp, if something blew it out from below, you'd think there would be pieces of ice on top.
And if something from the top came down, even hitting it in the center, how could it put the little octopus tentacles that it does out?
Snowed, the neighbors then forgot about the holes, until the great at-water ice mystery arose.
On Saturday morning, Mickey noticed a crow drinking from open water on the pond.
He went out to investigate.
And guess what, folks?
More Star holes in the ice.
Nine inches thick.
No footprints nearby.
And this time the holes were bigger and more numerous.
I'm getting all these reports of ice holes.
What in the world... What in the world, or perhaps not in the world, would be doing this?
Penetrating I mean, this really bears some thought.
Penetrating the ice.
In such a clear, precise way, what could do that?
I have no idea.
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I want to talk with you a little bit about 2012.
We're getting close to this December 21st date.
What is your take on it?
At a certain point, a preponderance of consciousness can tip the balance and shift the entire course
of history.
The sequence of events that we're about to experience is like an intervention that's
going to start to reverse some of the negative events.
It's so dominating our lives and we need to not come to fear.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have The government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up.
But I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26th, 1999.
Let us proceed.
Neil Slade... Neil Slade sent this to me, and I'm going to read it to you as he sent it.
Dear Art, many people who have heard me on your show frequently ask, what happens when my amygdala is clicked backwards?
Now you may recall Neil Slade is the man who came on the program and talked about clicking forward the amygdala and then being able to do things that we have talked about on this program into a higher form of brain activity So anyway, he says, many people have heard me on your show and often ask, what happens when my amygdala is clicked backwards instead of forwards?
I hope this true, yet very sad tale, winner of the 98 Darwin Awards, illustrates the dangers of inadequate frontal lobe usage.
Airborne Germany.
Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Reinfeldt fed his constipated elephant, Stefan, 22 full doses of animal laxative and more than a bushel of berries, figs, and prunes before the plugged-up pachyderm finally let it fly and, in fact, actually suffocated the keeper Under a total of 200 pounds of poop.
It's not one of your better ways to go.
Investigators say that ill-fated Friedrich, 46, at the time of his demise, was attempting to give the ailing elephant an olive, an olive oil enema that is, when the finally suddenly relieved beast unloaded on him like a dump truck full of mud.
The, quote, quote, here, the sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked our victim to the ground, where he struck his head on a rock, and then lay unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate on top of him.
End quote.
That was the Patterborn Police Chief, Eric Dern, who said, sadly, With no one there to help him, he lay there under all that dung for at least an hour before a watchman came along.
During that time, he suffocated.
Seems to be just one of those freak accidents that happen, said the detective from Neal Slade.
I guess, you know, there are various ways.
We're all going to go.
Nobody's getting off the planet alive, at least not yet, until they make some more advances, right?
Nobody's getting out of here alive.
There are better ways to go.
And feeding an elephant all of that laxative and then all of that food and then giving it an enema And then, of course, being in precisely the wrong place at the wrong time.
Well, I don't know.
It just seems... Well, I guess, as Neil said, it's what occurs when the amygdala, which normally should be clicked forward, is sadly clicked in the other direction.
And you're just not thinking straight.
We've got to have Neil on again.
We will have Neil on again soon.
So, coming up, after the bottom of the hour, Nothing but open lines straight ahead till the top of the hour.
And then, the Terminator Z technology.
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
On this, Somewhere in Time.
If you love her, then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
Lorne has razors, and Lorne and gazers won't get you where you want to go.
No!
Words of love, soft and tender won't win her.
You ought to know by now, You only know by now.
You only know by now.
You only I'm sailing away from the coast of a way just like magic.
Oh, rolling and riding and slipping and sliding just like magic.
And you, and you'll see just like I do.
You can feel it grow higher and higher, baby.
It's a living thing!
you What a terrible thing to lose!
It's a given thing!
What a terrible thing to lose You can believe this is what you could see from your worst
day I'll take em or die
I'm moving in lines and you look back and stand to the turn You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere In Time
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from January 26th, 1999.
And you know, I was thinking... Of course, I'm falling in love with this yellow song, as you can tell, again.
Wouldn't this make a great candidate to be fazed?
It's been tearing at me for the last couple of days which by the way have been spent buried inside a computer trying to figure out, configure an ISDN line that refused to be configured and I want to thank Ernie Swally of ISAT in Las Vegas for spending the last two or three days on the phone with me and several other people It was Ernie who finally figured it out, and so the ISDN line is up and running like a bandit.
I'm telling you, after years now of having modem connections at, uh... In the early years, 19.2 was pretty good.
21.6 then was a thrill.
pretty good. 21.6 then was a thrill. And one day I actually hit 28.8 and that was unbelievable.
And now ladies and gentlemen, I'm scooting along at 128 kilobytes a second.
you And I've gotta tell you, even though it was tragic, a tragic amount of man-hours that it took to get it accomplished, we did, and, you know, when it's working, it's, boy, is it worth it.
It's really neat.
So, the ISDN woes are finally over.
And it was one of those, uh, Ernie, Ernie Swally, I guess, is kind of like I am, uh, bless his heart, He's one of those guys who will not quit on principle.
I mean, you just don't let something like that beat you.
You either beat it or you die trying, and Ernie and I nearly died trying.
He runs that IP in Las Vegas.
I sat in it.
We nearly died trying, but the guy spent days on the phone with me.
Literally, my wife can tell you, days on the phone to do this.
I'm sure she was beginning to wonder about my sanity as I wondered at times about it as we fought the good fight.
It's been absolutely unbelievable.
But now it is done, and now things are better.
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You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
Now talk about tragedy.
I appear to have lost my fat whacker, my super fat whacker.
What have I done with my super fat whacker tape?
Oh no.
Western the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.
Hi, Eric. I'm off guard there.
Yes, hi.
This is Andrew Collin from Whidbey Island.
Yes, sir.
Boy, I just wanted to talk to you about this whole thing with the Senate, you know, the secrecy.
That's too much, you know.
I mean, what does it take for Americans to wake up and realize that this whole secrecy thing has gone too far, and we need to really put an end to it?
No offense to the Pope, but as I said on the air, it's kind of like you wait while the Senate debates and votes, and you sort of wait for three puffs of smoke to come out of the Senate building at Capitol Hill to see what's happened.
Do we have a new president on the way, Al Gore?
Do we have the same old prez for a while longer until there are actual elections?
I mean, that is what's at stake here, and these guys are doing it behind closed doors.
Have they lost their absolute Democrat-Republic minds?
I mean, what's going on?
It's unreal.
I mean, you know, this is not America as we envisioned it.
You know, it's just unreal.
It even goes further.
There's Rule 29, which says any senator would come out and say anything that happened or repeat anything that occurred in those closed sessions would be drummed out with prejudice, immediately thrown out of the Senate.
So, this is not democracy as I understand democracy practiced in our republic, a limited form of democracy anyway.
Well, I hope one of them has, you know, has the guts to come out and, you know, say something about it, you know, one way or another, you know.
It's a sad day, you know.
Well, to their benefit, many senators have said roughly what I said, but not enough.
You know, they need two-thirds.
Yeah.
By the way, your 1-800 line is apparently fixed now, in case you didn't know.
I'm calling from Whitey Island.
Well, let me tell you, my friend, they have been Desperately trying to fix it.
Yeah.
And so we're hoping that tonight it's okay.
Anybody not getting the right service should email me and or whatever and let me know and we'll try and get it straightened out.
I appreciate your call sir.
Yes, I meant to mention that.
The West of the Rockies line should now be complete and fixed.
Now bear in mind these are statements from the phone company.
The east of the Rockies line should be fixed, and the international line should be fixed, too.
Why don't we answer that?
International line, you're on the air.
Hello.
There.
Going once, going twice.
Guess we just missed them.
Sorry.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yeah, Art, this is Tim from Peoria, Illinois.
Yes, sir.
I'm calling about the Senate.
I can't believe it.
It's the first time I ever tried to call you when I got on.
Well, it can happen.
Uh, no.
If every single one of those guys would have been on TV, the thing probably would have taken two weeks to get this one vote in.
Okay?
They would have been out there.
They would have been speaking for hours and hours and hours.
Not really.
I mean, they can still limit a debate to one minute or whatever they want.
Well, they could, but they wouldn't.
They can't even take a vote to wipe them behind right now.
Well, if they can't do it in four and a half hour sessions, if they can do it secretly in four and a half hour sessions, Then what is it we don't understand about the American political system?
That they can't do it in public?
You don't want to get me talking.
I'm so extreme right-wing, it's pathetic.
There is no American political system anymore.
It's nothing but TV, how good they look on TV, and you know what I mean.
I don't want to ramble on and on.
But if they would have been televised, it probably would have taken a week just to get this one vote done.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, I don't care.
I think the American people have a right to see it.
And I don't care if it would have taken a week.
They have a right to see it.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I guess they do, but... I'm intractable here.
Well, I don't agree with you, but I respect your point.
You honestly think that they could, for example, take a vote in secret, with debate we never heard, that would exonerate the President?
And they'd come out and declare that like a new pope and you'd be happy?
You're out your mind.
No, I didn't say that.
Well, okay, okay.
But, sir, that could be the likely result.
Well, all I'm saying is, if it would have been on TV, every single one of these jokers... Alright, stop, stop.
Just stop.
What I want to know from you is, if they walked out tomorrow, after the vote, and they said, we have voted to throw out all the charges, Then what are you going to say?
Nothing, because what happens in Washington doesn't affect my life in this way.
Okay, well then in that case, I'm surprised you made the call on the subject.
No offense.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Oh, I made it this time.
Yes.
The operator cut me off.
Art, I wanted to tell you something about that.
Where are you, dear?
Central British Columbia.
Central British Columbia on the international line.
Okay.
The earthquake down in Vancouver?
Yes.
Was not, in fact, an earthquake.
It was, in fact, three earthquakes spread over the course of four days.
But the significant one was 4.6 and the others were in the 2 scale.
The significant one was the first one because it's been months since there was any kind of a shakedown there at all.
Well, I mean, there's a trend beginning to emerge here.
In other words, Columbia California.
British Columbia.
I'm beginning to see a trend.
How about you?
Well, I'm thinking Alaska next.
And I'm thinking I'm real glad I live on the other side of the coast range.
To be honest with you.
There you are.
Right.
When are you going to have Stan Day on again?
Soon.
Very soon?
I'm talking to Stan by email, of course, since he's in Australia.
And as soon as he has something put together, which is going to be soon, we'll have him back on.
Well, I will listen with great interest.
Okay, good.
Alright, have a good night.
Thank you, and you too.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
How are you doing?
Okay.
Hey, this is Bill Cullen from Bend, Oregon.
Yes, sir.
And I wanted to talk to you about the Y2K.
Okay.
And nobody's really mentioned anything about What FEMA is, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
What do you mean where they are?
No, what they do.
They manage emergencies.
Right, but when they call a national emergency... Do you have your radio on?
Yes, you do.
Could you turn that off, please?
Is that better?
Thank you.
Okay, when they call a national emergency, What happens is they'll instill the National Guard, right?
Yes.
When they call a national emergency.
Yes.
And what Clinton did back in 1994 is sign an executive order to where any time that FEMA deems a national emergency, they'll take over.
Yes.
They can take over every aspect of Anybody's life in the United States.
Yes, they can declare martial law.
They can do what has to be done.
Right, and I think what they're planning on doing with all the National Guards that they're training right now is they're planning on when things start crashing, January 1st, is they want to install martial law.
They're going to start in the big cities and spread out from the big cities in the United States.
You might be right.
Well, Clinton's been trying, even when he was governor of Arkansas, he was trying to get rid of... But you see, there might actually be a reason to have some form of martial law if anarchy begins to, you know, rear its ugly head.
Where do you live?
Bend, Oregon.
Well, you wouldn't think there would be riots in Bend, Oregon.
But I mean, if there were people roaming through the streets of Bend, Oregon, stealing food, Raping and pillaging.
Would you be in favor of the National Guard coming in to stop it?
I would be in favor of that.
Yes, okay.
Well, then you answered your own question.
Thank you.
That is why FEMA has plans in place to deal with something of that magnitude.
Now, I wouldn't complain about that.
Now, you are speculating on the misuse of a plan of that sort.
And I can understand that.
But I mean, things could get out of control, and if they did, it is the job, the mission of government to provide for the safety and welfare of the people it serves.
What am I saying?
And to not have plans in place, should something like that develop, would be to not be doing their job.
That's what they're supposed to do.
First time caller line, you're on the air high.
Hi Art, I am so glad I got to talk to you.
Well, you're hardly talking to me because I can barely hear you.
Can you hear me better?
Here's the cardinal rule for everybody out there listening.
If you're talking to me, put your lips on the phone.
Okay, can you hear me now?
That's, you see folks?
Better?
Yes, oh yes.
Okay, I've got two comments just about your program last night.
Yes.
I was just blown away by it.
Me too.
Well my husband has got a theory that he explained to me.
I wanted to run it by you and I also have one other comment to make and see what you think about this.
You know how the jet stream is like thousands of kilometers long and hundreds of kilometers wide but only a few kilometers thick?
Right.
Do you think that perhaps they are spraying this web type substance to use as a drag net In some way to deflect the jet stream and cause the change in pressures so that those tornadoes and all that other things occur.
And do you think that whatever chemical they're using for that, for lack of a better word, a dragnet type situation, is what's making people sick like that?
Well, if you listened to the show last night, it sure sounds that way, doesn't it?
It does.
I didn't get to hear your show until today.
I had recorded last night, and I was just blown away.
Yes, I know.
My sister, she lives in Georgia, and she has been very, very sick for quite some time.
I know.
We really began a firestorm last night with that program, believe me, and there's going to be a follow-up to it.
Many newspaper articles that have been sent to me today are legit mainstream newspaper articles talking about mysterious spiderweb-like material falling from the sky.
Now, what is it?
Is it what was suggested last night?
My God, I hope not!
But you've got to imagine it's possible.
Well, I have another thought, too.
I don't remember the man's name that you have on your show from time to time that makes predictions.
Well, I have many.
I know.
But didn't you have one that said there was going to be some type of biological warfare?
Yes.
Over Yankee Stadium?
Yes, I did.
Do you suppose that that could be something that's related to that?
Now, that would be too much of a reach for me, so I don't necessarily think that.
You refer to Ed Dames, who is going to be on the show this Friday.
Coming up, you don't want to miss that.
Ed Dames, this Friday.
The Ed Dames case is becoming really intriguing.
Ed is in Hawaii.
I spoke to his wife, who is concerned for him.
And perhaps with some cause.
I talked to Ed and Perhaps some of you don't recall, but Ed is a remote viewer, has a company called SciTech, and has set out to remote view Satan.
Satan.
No.
The one with... Speaking of red eyes, by the way, we're going to have an entire page of red evil eyes.
Keith is about as deep in red evil eyes As poor Friedrich was in the elephant's excrement.
And so there will be an entire page of red evil eyes.
We got going on this, we had a call, I think, in the first hour last night about Freemasonry as usual.
And the evil eye, and some guy was telling me how I had the evil eye on my website.
Well, I don't know whether I have or not, but when you see how many evil eyes we have on my website soon, We will have the largest evil eye collection in the world, all in one place.
Keith is putting these eyeballs together as we speak.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, good morning, Art.
Good morning, where are you?
I'm in Saskatchewan.
Canada, yes, sir.
What I'd like to talk to you this morning is about that Marijuana, hemp destroying fungus.
Oh, isn't that great?
We've got a photograph up there as you know now.
Have you seen it yet?
I'm not sure about one thing.
Is this an official U.S.
government type project?
Yes, of course it is.
Well, there's one thing that you probably don't know about and many people don't either, but this year we started growing hemp legally up here.
Well, I wonder how they're going to keep the fungus on this side of the border.
Well, maybe if, uh, it doesn't fail that way, we'll release a fungicide or destroy all the oranges in Florida.
You would destroy our oranges if we destroy your hemp?
I mean, that's actually... I've got to be frank with you, sir, that sounds like a threat.
Hmph.
Well, what, do you think we should just stomp all over everyone else?
That is a threat, isn't it?
Well, maybe we like our hemp.
Well, I understand, but I mean to threaten to cross borders like this.
Well, if America can do it, why can't anyone else?
Well, I have no answer for that.
I appreciate your calls here.
Well, alright, there you have it.
If we release the fungus to kill all the hemp, my Canadian friend there thinks that Canada will release a fungus to destroy all the oranges in Florida.
Which would leave us dependent on California.
But what if it got all the oranges in California, too?
Terminator stuff.
Anyway, stay tuned.
That's what's coming up next.
The Terminator seed technology.
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Let me read you, uh, this is just one of millions that I've had like this.
Terminator seed technology threatens farmers worldwide.
Last March, the US Department of Agriculture And the Delta and Pine Land Company announced that they had jointly developed a technique for altering the genetic structure of a plant.
Listen now.
So the seeds it produces will be sterile.
This Terminator technology will prevent farmers and gardeners from saving seeds for next season.
Instead, they will be forced to buy new seeds every year, giving seed companies complete control over our food supply.
The technique is being introduced now into staple crops such as wheat, rice, and cotton.
But it can and eventually will be used on food crops of all kinds.
That is a brief definition of terminator seed technology, and I got that from another source, but I had a very hard time finding anybody to talk about this.
Well, who I did find is Patrick Roy Mooney.
And he's not in this country.
He's in Canada, up in Winnipeg.
And so in a moment, that's exactly who we're going to talk about and we're going to ask what the hell's going on.
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twenty six nineteen ninety nine patrick roy mooney
uh... is That's the Rule Advancement Foundation International.
For more than a quarter century, Pat Mooney has worked as an NGO activist, I'm going to have to ask what that is, on international environmental and developmental issues related to substantial agriculture and biodiversity.
Born in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada, he's lived most of his life on the Canadian prairies But his work has kept him traveling constantly to every corner of the globe.
Author of several books, and a much sought speaker on the politics of biotechnology and biodiversity, Mooney has won the Right Livelihood Award from the Swedish Parliament.
Wow!
That's the alternative Nobel Prize.
And the American Giraffe Award given to people who stick their necks way out.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
For some years now, he has been ranked in a number of European magazines as one of the world's top 100 environmentalists.
He's also known within Canada for community development, for his pioneering work with the Miles for Millions marches of the sixties, the provincial matching grants drive of the seventies, the campaigns to conserve crop plant genetic resources in the eighties internationally.
Pat is known for his Original work in organizing South and North NGO lobbies in the UN in the 70s.
And his work, of course, with genetic resources, biodiversity, and biotechnology.
Since then, here he is from Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Patrick, welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Patrick, what does NGO stand for?
Oh, non-governmental organization.
It just means, I think in the United States you more often call them... We call them private sector.
Private sector.
Well, non-profit private sector.
Yeah, okay.
Very good.
I guess, you know, we're neighbors.
Canada and America, we share so much, and yet occasionally in speech there has to be a little bit of translation, even with Canadians like yourself.
Right.
I began to get a lot of faxes, a lot of email about this Terminator Seed technology.
Let me back up from there.
It was announced a short while ago that the United States was going to produce a fungus, which apparently already has been produced, that would wipe out hemp plants.
I guess worldwide.
I mean, just flat do away with them.
You know the war on drugs, right?
And we have some evidence it's already been released and I don't know if you heard the last hour before you were on just in fact just before you were on but a fellow Canadian of yours called up and said you know we can grow hemp legally in Canada or we're about to be or something and if you guys release this and it gets our hemp we're gonna make something up and release it and kill oranges in Florida The threat.
So, I guess before we move on to Terminator technology, I would like to just ask your view, Pat, on the concept, the idea, of killing off an entire species of plant on the planet.
Is that really such a good idea?
No, it's not.
I mean, near where I live here in Canada, in fact, we're growing hemp this year for the first time, and it's being grown for the Cordage, you know, for the fact that it makes good rope.
Good rope, sure.
And it also has medicinal purposes beyond that, which are very carefully governed in Canada.
Mind you, we have to say that the chance of any particular fungus actually killing off an entire species worldwide is hard to do.
You're crossing an awful lot of different climatic conditions and a few oceans and mountain ranges and everything else, and the chances of a fungus actually successfully doing that around the world are low.
Even an engineered fungus?
Absolutely, engineered or otherwise.
You know, it's tough to deal with the fact that it has to survive a winter here in Canada before spring comes around, saving for a deed.
And it's not so straightforward as saying that you can launch a fungus into the planet somewhere.
But that is their goal.
And let's say that it could be done.
Let's just, for the sake of conversation, say it could be done.
You could actually eliminate an entire species.
And somehow, somehow, it just seems like it's a crime against Mother Nature.
And Mother Nature does not get angry, she gets even.
And somehow I think she would get even.
Do you have that same feeling?
Yeah, I think we don't know enough about transgenic species or genetically modified organisms that we're creating now through biotechnology.
We don't know what the impact will be on nature itself, whether in fact that kind of fungus, for example, would spread from hemp to something else, to corn or to wheat.
Right.
All right.
All of that said, I just wanted to get your view of the thing, and mine is that we're out of our blanking minds.
But then comes the Terminator seed technology.
Now of all... There may be something about this that I don't understand.
But of all the things I've heard in my entire life, making basic wheat, barley and so forth sterile, so no seeds can be used to plant new crops... I think that sounds a little insane to me.
But maybe there's something I don't know.
What is it I don't understand about this that would make it sane?
Well, if you don't know it, I don't know it either.
The logic for the company, of course, or the owner of the patent in this case, is that it sort of activates their greed gene, I suppose.
Greed gene?
What it means is that the company could force farmers back to the market every time they want to plant something, and so that increases sales by anywhere from four or five times what it would be normally.
The seed itself can cost usually two to three times more than it would... Well, how many Canadian and American farmers use seed from one year's crop to plant the next?
Depends on the crop.
If you're talking about hybrids, for example, farmers in the States growing hybrid corn, they tend not to save their seed.
They tend to buy it every year.
Well, it was my understanding hybrid seeds don't work anyway.
Right, but you get something in return for that.
In theory at least, a hybrid is something where you've got two quite different strains of corn that have been crossed that would not cross easily otherwise.
In order to get the hybrid vigor that results from that, you lose the opportunity to save seed that will really grow generation after generation exactly the same way.
So you tend to go back to the marketplace every year to buy new seed.
But you get something for it.
In the case of the Terminator, You get no agronomic benefit whatsoever.
It simply is there to prevent you from being able to save seed.
It's damaged goods, really.
It's a seed that doesn't really work like a seed.
So, in other words, what would happen is... Let's go back and see what we're really talking about here.
Let's talk about wheat for a second.
Very important.
Wheat's very important.
Now, you would buy your seeds from a company, like Monsanto, for example.
And you would plant your seeds, and your wheat crop would come zooming up, you would harvest the crop, and any seeds that came with that crop that you tried to plant, not a damn thing would come out of the ground.
They would be sterile.
They could not germinate.
Is that correct?
That's right.
Before Monsanto sells you the seed, as a theoretical example, they would, at the moment, one of their patents at least, would have them soak the seed in an antibiotic called tetracycline.
And that tetracycline would remain with the seed so that just at the point where that plant was about to develop new seed, it would kick in a series of exotic genes that are brought in from other species that would actually create sterility in the seed.
Are they out of their minds?
Well, yeah, but they're not going to be out of pocket.
They're going to do quite well that way if this technology is allowed finally into the marketplace.
Since we talked about this a few days ago, even, just you and I, we've found not just that there are patents held by Monsanto, for example, together with the U.S.
government, there's also a patent held by a U.K.
company, but there are now, in fact, 34 other patents that are either granted or pending, and they're being held by each one of the major sort of multinational agricultural chemical companies.
Now, they must, they must, they must patent.
Well, they've been improving their arguments as the months go by since the first patent was granted, but initially their argument was that this was a kind of a platform technology that Companies that had invented different genetic traits for yield or crop hardiness or disease resistance or something would feel safe in loading their sort of patented technologies onto this kind of a seed because they knew that farmers couldn't save it.
And so that would be a stimulus to investment in further scientific research.
The farmers could save the seed every year so they didn't have to come to the marketplace except for when they changed plant varieties.
Then companies wouldn't feel like they could invest that kind of money.
They've also added to that the argument that with some crops, under some conditions, just around harvest time, a seed like a wheat or something might tend to sprout.
And the seeds start to grow itself on the plant.
And when that happens, there is a loss in the salability of the crop.
That is true.
In other words, if you wait too long to harvest, we all know Yeah, it can go to seed and then it's not so useful anymore.
But it's a pretty rare experience, frankly.
It depends on where you are again and what crop.
But where I live in Canada, for example, that's not a problem.
Most parts of the world, that's not really a problem.
Well, you'd have to be a pretty stupid farmer to sit there and wait while everything went to seed, wouldn't you?
Sure.
Sometimes you're caught by that.
Sometimes just the growing conditions work against you and that happens.
We're talking about rare occasions here, as opposed to having to buy seed.
Here in the desert we grow, believe it or not, artichokes.
They're really good.
I love artichokes, and I'm not a vegetable kind of guy anyway, but I love artichokes.
And so my wife grows them with great success, but a couple of times we've waited too long, and of course they go to seed, and then they're not much good.
So I would understand that, but it would take a really dumb farmer to generally allow his entire crop to go to seed.
You wouldn't expect that.
What are the implications of the possible dangers of this?
In other words, could it go really wrong?
Yes, it could.
There are several concerns here about it.
The biggest one, frankly, is that there are 1.4 billion people out there around the planet who depend upon farm saved seed.
Yes.
They can't afford to buy seed every year.
You did say 1.4 billion people who depend on it?
Yep.
Out of about 6 billion people on the planet.
So they depend on being able to save their seeds.
In fact, these people tend to live in kind of marginal areas where the growing conditions aren't great, on hillsides and so on, in poor countries.
And they actually have to do their own plant breeding.
Companies don't bother to breed for them.
Now wait a minute, this involves about a quarter of the population of the earth.
Yep.
A quarter of the population of the earth depends on saved seeds for their next crop.
Yep.
If they can't do that, they're going to be hungry.
And they have to be able to then, if this thing spreads, especially if it goes wrong, Then they're going to find themselves unable to save their seed, and unable to do their own plant breeding, and they'll be in the cities instead of in the countryside.
Well, if it goes right, they won't be able to save their seed.
The way I'm reading this, or do I have that wrong?
Well, yes and no.
I mean, they have to buy the seed.
They have to buy it.
I know, but a lot of these people can't afford to buy seed year after year, so they depend on the saved seed.
We just talked about that.
Sure, but I don't want to defend them, or defend the company in this case.
The company would come back and argue and say, well, they don't have to.
They'll just keep on using their traditional varieties of seed that they've always used and they won't be involved with the Terminator.
And that's fine in theory.
They'd be isolated from the Terminator because they don't buy it ever.
But in reality, what happens is that most of these people, in fact, don't own their own land.
Often the landlord insists upon what they grow and will force them to grow what the landlord considers to be the highest yielding seed.
And that may well be the Terminator.
It's also the case that in some poor countries, before they can have access to credit as farmers, they have to go along with what the government recommends.
The government may mistakenly say that they think that the latest breaking sort of new technology is terminated technology because that's got these new sort of genetic traits that are loaded onto it.
It's got all the hype of biotech around it, and so they force farmers who want to have credit, want to have access to irrigation, for example, What could go wrong with this whole thing?
If it went wrong, how would it go wrong?
that they've actually bought the seed.
So you can imagine that poor farmers will feel driven to use the seed and then won't
be able to maintain the purchases year after year.
Oh my God.
What could go wrong with this whole thing?
If it went wrong, how would it go wrong?
In other words, are there dangers that they may not have calculated in trying to produce
this Terminator technology?
One of the dangers is that the Terminator sequence, what we call the suicide sequence
of genes that are in the seed, could spread through the pollen of the plant to other fields.
So that a farmer who didn't buy the seed... Wait a minute, so now you're saying that one farmer A, who's using the Terminator technology seed, for whatever good reason he thinks, could Have that antibiotic spread to another farmer's field adjacent to it by pollination?
It's possible.
The companies don't come out and say that it won't happen.
They say that they think it's highly unlikely that it would happen and that they're doing further research to ensure that it won't happen.
But let's say it does.
This is a new technology.
We don't know how it's going to work.
We don't know all the implications of it.
If it did happen, then the adjacent farm would never plan to use the Terminator.
We'd suddenly find one bright spring morning that nothing was growing.
If we planted the seed the following spring, there'd be nothing there.
Nothing there?
That's very dangerous.
Of course, if it also leaks from a cultivated field to cross with wild species in the forest, or on the roadside, then you could suddenly find that this Terminator quality is in all kinds of things we don't want to be in.
So, in other words, But just even normal weeds and growing things along the road and all the rest of it could suddenly begin to simply die?
If it did spread.
Or I guess commit suicide would be closer.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a possibility.
Also, one of the versions of the Terminator that we've just been looking at comes from the University of Texas.
Hold that thought, hold that thought.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
Pat Mooney is my guest.
Terminator seed technology is our subject.
One quarter of the world's population depends on saved seeds.
Plus, if it goes wrong, it might spread and virtually kill everything.
Gee, what are we going to do next?
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Well, as a matter of fact, let me read you what I've got from Terminator Seed Technology
Threatens Farmers Worldwide.
This story, I've got it here.
It says, it is dangerous.
There is a serious risk that in the open field Terminator grown crops could infect other crops causing crop sterilization across vast areas in fact.
A recent study at the University of Chicago indicates That genetically altered plants are, listen to me now, 20 times, 20 times more likely to, quote, out-cross, end quote, than naturally grown plants.
If this happens, the result could be famine on a scale never seen in human history.
Now once again, Pat Mooney, is that roughly accurate, Pat?
Well, it is a serious risk.
Whether it'll happen or not, we don't know.
We just know it's not worth taking the risk, because we're not getting anything for it.
You don't get anything beneficial because you grow Terminator C. You just get to pay more, and now you get to add the risk of food security.
Oh, what about, now, pollination?
I'm not a farmer.
I'm not real close to the earth.
I'm closer to computers, to be honest with you, Pat.
Pollination, if I recall correctly, after the old birds and bees speech, Pollination is bees or other insects that take pollen from one place to another, correct?
Yep.
Okay.
What would happen to the bees that would have this in their pollen?
Well, that's an interesting point because first of all, of course, pollen can spread just by the wind.
It doesn't necessarily require insects to do it.
Okay.
But the University of Texas does have a patent that they've just received.
On a Terminator-type technology, it's very similar to the Terminator.
It uses the same kind of process, which is aimed at insects.
Aimed at insects?
Yeah.
In fact, they say it could also apply to mammals.
Mammals?
That's us.
Yeah, I was going to say, we're mammals.
Yeah.
Well, they've only worked on insects, I think, so far, but their patent believes that there's no reason why it wouldn't work with higher-order species like ourselves as well.
Wait a minute.
Now, to do what?
I mean, supposing it worked on mammals, to accomplish what, Pat?
Well, for medical purposes, there could be reasons to do it.
In the case of insects, which is their primary target at this stage, it is to infect the larvae of a pest insect of some kind, bull weevils, for example, in cotton or something.
Knowing that as the weevils mature and multiply, a certain virus would be spread to all of the other insects, then they could then later spray their fields with almost anything, whatever they've chosen to be the target spray, and the insects would die.
So in a sense, that's kind of useful.
It could be seen to be beneficial for the farmers to be able to use a relatively benign crop spray of some kind that would kill off an insect pest.
What worries us is what happens if that spreads to other species.
Or goes wrong.
Yep.
And I'm certainly not a proponent for insects, but they are part of our ecological system.
They play a role, yeah.
They play a role.
What role do they play?
Do you know?
Well, there are many beneficial insects.
Many insects that are found in farmer's fields, in fact.
Protect the crop, not harm the crop.
They attack other insects.
My mom always told me ladybugs were beneficial somehow.
Yeah, there are many like that.
And so you don't want to kill off all insects, of course, and whether or not, again, this is a technology that would stay safely inside the target species of insect or would spread to other insects, whether it get into mosquitoes, mosquitoes would get to us, who knows?
Suppose all the insects died.
Worst case.
I mean, right across the board, it spreads like Cancer and starts killing all the insects.
What kind of world, just out of curiosity, how would it change the world if all the insects were gone?
Well, we have the slightest idea in the end.
We can't imagine a world without insects, but we'd be in deep trouble.
I don't think the world could survive without insects.
I mean, they're critical for recycling waste.
They're critical for So then, again, I'm asking, I know, dumb questions, but isn't it reasonable to at least guess that an insect that would draw from one of these Terminator plants would in some way itself be affected?
It could be affected, but there will be another question entirely.
There's a lot about this that we don't seem to know.
Sure, exactly.
And again, you could argue that in some cases, if you're doing medical research and what you're developing is something which may have great benefit for humanity, then you say maybe at a certain point you take a bit of a risk, because the risk level is low.
But if there really is no benefit, there's no upside, no plus to doing this, then why use the technology at all?
Why risk infecting the world with terminator technology?
If, in fact, there really isn't a benefit to it all.
Alright, I had heard that when a farmer would buy seed from, for example, Monsanto, there are others I guess, that's the name.
Not many anymore.
That one keeps popping up.
They signed some kind of contract promising not to use the resultant seed for the following year's crop.
Is that true?
It is for some of their crops, yes.
Why do they do that?
Well, they're claiming that they've put a huge amount of money and investment into the research that develops that kind of a plant variety.
Yes.
And that they don't want farmers, as they would see it, to photocopy the seed in their fields.
You know, the thing about seed is that it reproduces itself normally.
Right.
And they don't want farmers to keep on... So, in other words... They want to plant and plant again.
I'm beginning to see a parallel here, I think.
Sure.
I'm just starting to see a parallel here.
I guess their case would be made, you know, there are people who make movies, right?
Movies are very expensive to make, and you've got to recover money at the box office, then you've got to recover money at HBO level, no, the pay level, pay TV, and then HBO, and then finally the rental market.
And, of course, they don't want these movies copied.
So they put some kind of copy guard on them, so that it makes it impossible to copy them.
Isn't that kind of a good parallel?
It is.
There is a parallel to that.
There's two differences, perhaps, in all of this.
One is that you can live without watching that movie, but you can't live without food.
It is.
Very good point, yes.
And the second is that farmers, in fact, have historically, around the world, including Monsanto, You said the other day you were the one who actually coined the term Terminator Seed Technology.
Is that right?
That's right.
How did you come up with that?
of the seeds and then it crosses with them to develop additional varieties or new and
improved varieties.
With Terminator you suddenly stopped all of that.
You stopped that kind of scientific research.
You said the other day you were the one who actually coined the term Terminator technologies.
Terminator seed technology.
Is that right?
That's right.
How did you come up with that?
It just seemed logical.
That's what it was.
The moment we read the patent, we thought, oh, that's Terminator.
In fact, I noticed the other day that Monsanto itself is even using that term now.
Not happily, but they... Monsanto themselves have begun to use it?
Yep.
They call it the so-called Terminator, and they're not happy, but they really can't avoid it, because that is how it's known around the world.
I was in Zimbabwe a few weeks back, Debating Monsanto, in fact, in that country, and their company officials were calling it the Terminator themselves.
How does it feel to have coined an entire term?
Well, I'm glad it stuck, because it perfectly identifies what the technology is.
Very negative and unproductive for humanity.
Here is an anonymous fax.
It says, Dear Art, Terminator seeds are nothing more than an act of war.
Just think of what Terminator can do to all natural seeds.
We have no new growth of trees, weeds, algae, plankton, because Terminator could sterilize everything.
How the hell do these, and it mentions a particular body orifice here, expect they can stop the sterilization of every living plant on this planet?
What will happen when you have five billion hungry people?
Do they really expect any government will be in power for very long?
That's if it should all go wrong, and you are suggesting it could go that wrong.
Well, it would be irresponsible to suggest that it won't, or to guarantee that it won't.
We don't know.
Really, I don't want to sound alarmist about this.
I think the bottom line is Canadians are never alarmist about anything.
You guys are the most laid-back group of people I know.
However, even in your laid-back style, your case is awfully strong and your case really is, look, it might be worth taking a chance if there was some huge benefit to mankind That, you know, we would suddenly be rid of cancer or some terrible plague upon us would be lifted, then you might take a chance with something that could harm all of humanity.
You might.
But in the case of the Terminator seed technology, where is, for humanity, not Monsanto, not companies, but humanity, where is the upside?
Exactly.
That's it, huh?
That's it.
I mean, that's it.
It's a kind of technology that just doesn't give us any benefits.
It does just activate the greed gene, as you said, in the companies.
And why go that way?
How can you get something like this stopped?
Well, there is a way, in fact.
The main patent that's been granted, which is the one that's shared between the U.S.
Department of Agriculture and Monsanto, the two bodies have to negotiate with each other over that.
They've got to sort out the actual final ownership of the patent.
We're saying that the U.S.
Department of Agriculture should not let go of the patent to Monsanto.
In fact, they should mothball the technology.
And that's up to the U.S.
government to decide that over the next few weeks, in fact.
We're asking people to write letters to Dan Glickman, the Secretary of Agriculture, and tell them Mothball Technology.
If people want more information on exactly how that works and they are on to the internet, they can go to our homepage at www.rafi.org.
There's a sample letter there, and you can actually just write your own letter and click it straight down.
We've got a link, folks, to that website, on our website.
I've got a lot of people who are used to going to my website.
They just scroll down to your name.
Oh, great.
Pat Mooney, and they can click.
I hope you can stand.
I hope you've got a lot of bandwidth up there.
A fair bit.
We've had, in the last few months, we've had about 4,000 letters go to Dan Glickman, and we know that they're responding to it.
Beyond that, the Terminator is actually pending as a patent in about 87 countries around the world.
Those governments can actually reject the Terminator by simply refusing to accept the patent.
There is a clause in patent laws around the world that's called order public or public morality.
On the grounds of public morality, a government has the right to simply say no to a certain patent.
For example, recently the UK government in London rejected landmine patents.
because they're they decided to support the landmine treaty uh... they rejected the patch for that it's a matter of
public morality another with somebody wanted to have a landline and new
type of landmine or something that would more efficiently blow a leg off
whatever i think this is a rather silly sort of
blows off first for food security so
i mean the possibility of this going wrong particularly if there are
if it's not just the u s or canada involved
but if it's twenty different countries doesn't that raise the odds of something going wrong
and this thing being uh... beginning to spread Somebody making one mistake?
It certainly does.
We estimate this past year around the world there were something like 28 million hectares or about 75 million acres of land that were sown to transgenic seeds around the world.
These are seeds, again, that have a foreign gene put into them that wouldn't be there otherwise.
All of that land will be turned over to Terminator technology the moment this technology gets into the marketplace.
Every company that develops transgenic crops will be developing it with the Terminator platform attached to it.
That's spreading like wildfire.
The estimates are that about 80% of all commercial seed will be Terminator seed by about the year 2010.
Wow.
That's worldwide.
So this is sort of a joint thing between the U.S.
causing problems or something happening in whether it's in India or Zimbabwe or Brazil
the chances increase enormously.
So this is sort of a joint thing between the U.S.
Department of Agriculture and Monsanto and many other companies and similar departments or I don't
know.
Up in Canada, you don't have departments.
You have ministries.
Yes.
What about Canada?
Well, no.
The only government that we know that's been directly involved in developing the Terminator has been the U.S.
government.
Oh, that figures.
And to his own surprise, though, I must say, we were told by senior officials in the Department of Agriculture there in Washington that the first time they ever heard of the Terminator and knew that it was being developed was when they read our news releases about it.
In Canada?
Yeah.
They actually were not aware themselves that some of their scientists were doing this work.
Why is it that I have got to go all the way to where you are in Canada, and not that I mind, to get somebody to come on the air and talk about Terminator technology?
I'm not sure.
I know the companies certainly aren't anxious to talk about it.
They've been fairly happy until now that they've been able to let Monsanto take the heat for it with the U.S.
government, while they themselves have been going quietly about the business of developing their own versions of it and gaining their own patents.
All right, I would like to allow some of my audience to ask you questions, so when we come back, we'll do that.
Now, bear in mind, folks, that 1.4 billion people on Earth right now depend on saved seed to eat.
1.4 billion.
That's about one in four of us worldwide.
And here comes the Terminator seed technology.
And the big question is why?
Now maybe Monsanto has arguments that we haven't heard.
But the upside would seem to be for the corporation.
The downside would seem to be for humanity.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have The government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up.
But I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Hey, somebody wrote an article about me called Saved by the Art Bell and I'm just reading
myself by Jim Stiles.
And I have no idea... Maybe I'll read some of this to you later.
It's on my website right now.
I'm just reading it for the first time.
Keith just got it up.
It looks like a pretty interesting article about my program.
Hmm.
All right.
For now, it's back up to... all the way up to Canada.
Manitoba, I think.
I wrote that down somewhere.
Manitoba.
No, Winnipeg.
Manitoba.
And I'm going to have to get used to Canadian geography.
I'm learning, but it's a slow, long process.
It's an amazing thing, you know, Pat.
We live in adjacent countries with so much in common, and a lot of Americans don't know a damn thing about Canada.
I mean, here you are, right next to us, and we know so very little about you, And yet, it's my understanding that our culture, as well as our Terminator seeds, may well infect your nation, your culture.
Is that what's happening up there?
Yeah, we can take your culture, but rather you capture seeds.
We've got people who would like to talk to you, so let us go to the phones.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Pat Mooney.
Hi.
Hello.
This is Bob from St.
Louis.
Hi, Bob.
K-T-R-F, I believe.
Uh-huh.
Homo Monsanto.
Is that where Monsanto is based?
Yes.
And their motto is Hope, Health, and Science, by the way.
Hope, Health, and Science.
Monsanto... They don't say what they're hoping for, though.
Right.
It was reported ten years ago by Greenpeace, Monsanto was putting toxins into the Mississippi.
And it wasn't reported very heavily.
Well, that may or may not be true.
They made, you know, that's chemical warfare, if they did that in a sense.
They made Agent Orange that was exposed to our people and the Vietnamese.
Yes, well of course they did that in the war effort, they say.
But let's go back for a second to the toxins in the Mississippi.
Why would they do that?
Well, because they can.
That's like, why did you climb the mountain?
Because it was there?
Um, they have to put their way somewhere, and it was probably easiest for them to do it that way.
Ah, I see.
So that's an allegation by Greenpeace, then.
Um, well, I saw a Greenpeace map ten years ago that reported all the... Yeah, but because, I mean, he says it, so it doesn't mean it's so.
I mean, they're not flawless, either.
Okay.
So let's leave that one in the gray basket, as my friend Stanton would say, and move on to Agent Orange?
Okay, you got Agent Orange.
They exposed that to our soldiers and the Vietnamese.
That's chemical warfare.
It is, yes.
And I heard that they were working on, or they did make a larger tomato, as if they can improve on nature.
Well, actually, isn't that what they're trying to do here, Pat?
Improve on nature, supposedly?
Yeah, the tomato example is an interesting one because, in fact, they bought the company that was developing what is often called the Flavor Saver tomato, FLAVR-SAVR.
In Canada, that would be OUR, wouldn't it?
Yeah, well, this is a company that doesn't seem to know its vowels because none of the vowels are there.
But that is one of their products.
It's a tomato, which its biggest advantage is that it can almost live forever.
It's got a shelf life that can probably outlive its patent.
Really?
It's a very durable, sturdy tomato, so it makes it easy for shipping.
I'm not sure it's that good for eating.
You know, I should have probably contacted, and I still can, somebody from Monsanto.
Will they come on and debate you?
Or do they refuse?
Well, no, they have debated us.
I've debated Monsanto in Italy and in Zimbabwe in the last few months.
I know, but that doesn't exactly hit New York and L.A.
and Chicago, you know?
Well, I would encourage you to try, because I know they've been pulling in their horns most recently, and they issued us a press statement a couple of days ago, in fact, saying that they weren't going to pursue actively this particular patent that they have with the U.S.
government.
Of course, we found that one of the reasons why they may not pursue that patent, which has got a lot of attention, is because they have other patents in the pipeline that do exactly the same thing.
Great.
Just great.
All right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Pat Mooney.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
It's Greg in Elkhorn, California.
Hello, Greg.
Hey, how are you doing tonight?
Fine.
Good.
Hi, Patrick.
Hi.
I have two quick questions for you, and I'll ask one at a time.
Let's say some, or let's hope not very many, of the countries Go the way of the Terminator seed.
I think it would be a terrible mistake, as I'm sure you do.
But obviously, as stated before, the person that controls the food, of course, is the king.
He sits on top of the world.
A country, let's say, that doesn't agree to go with the seed, couldn't insects or a type of pollen be planted in these countries, forcing them to comply or perish as a worst case scenario?
Well, biological warfare.
Exactly.
That can happen with or without the Terminator.
There's an awful lot of trade pressures being applied to different countries around the world because of the World Trade Agreement.
I'm not sure the Terminator is a deciding factor in all of that.
One of the concerns about Terminator is that the latest generation of the technology is one in which the seed, the suicide sequence, can be activated sort of long distance.
It can be activated by the use of different herbicides or even fertilizers.
And that really worries us, because the companies have moved from having a cost themselves, of sort of soaking the seed in this antibiotic tetracycline, to have the farmers sort of carry the field by spraying the seed with herbicides and causing the suicide sequence.
One very suicide sequence.
God, that's a great phrase.
Now, one dumb talk show host question.
Are they sure the suicide sequence, as you call it, will Be initiated the same way, have they tested it against every known thing that might be dropped on it?
No, of course not, and there's a real worry about that.
Okay, not so dumb a question then.
Also, Patrick, taking it to me, this would seem like more of a more subtle form of biological warfare.
Couldn't an idiot like Saddam Hussein use this to wreak havoc on some of his weaker neighbors?
There's somebody like him, if he and Case got a hold of this seed, and as you had said, there's a lot of countries in this world that couldn't afford, the farmers couldn't afford to purchase the seed each year.
What he actually said was quite specific, that 1.4 billion people on the planet, that'd be about one in four, rely on saved seed.
Period.
But the ability to use this to cause deliberate havoc is there for sure, because, I mean, Even look at it the other way around.
Look at it if the United States has an enemy, and it exports food aid shipments to Iraq, which are allowed.
And the food aid shipments contain the Terminator seed.
Farmers often will take food aid shipments, and because it's grain, grain is seed, and if they're short of seed, they'll actually plant the food aid shipment in their fields.
Really?
Sure, and if that happened, and of course the seed was sterile, then the farmers would be waiting for a crop to come up, and it wouldn't come up.
Well, thank you, gentlemen.
All right, thank you very much.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat Mooney, way up in Canada.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
You're going to have to yell at us a little bit.
OK.
This is Lyda in Oklahoma.
Yes.
I have a problem or a question with using the antibiotic tetracycline.
Oh?
Are there not a lot of people allergic to that?
Oh, yes, indeed.
Would you not be ingesting it if you ate I don't know.
There is an awfully good question.
She is right about the allergy to tetracycline specifically.
You don't use tetracycline and cheese together.
There are a lot of things that tetracycline causes all kinds of problems if you eat certain foods with them.
But the animals would be ingesting the tetracycline.
And we would.
If you have a dairy and you have to treat a cow with antibiotics, you're not allowed to put that milk in with the milk that you're going to sell.
You're also sterilizing the soil when you, if you're putting a lot of tetracycline in the soil, that's a problem.
God, I hadn't even thought of that one.
That was my first thought.
We've got this antibiotic overload already.
And a lot of people can't be cured of things because they want an antibiotic
every time something happens.
The lady makes an incredibly good point and doctors dispense it at the drop of a hat,
virtually at request.
They dispense antibiotics.
Well, there's good news and bad news to that, though.
The good news is that tetracycline was probably used by most of the companies in developing
their patents because it's a very well-known chemical, so it's easy to work with in the
laboratory rather than to use it in the field.
They probably won't really want to use it very extensively in the field, if at all.
The bad news is that what they really want you to do is, for example, in the case of Roundup, as the herbicide that Monsanto has, is Monsanto wants the whole suicide sequence to be activated by Roundup spray.
And so instead of worrying about tetracycline, what you've got to worry about is derivatives of Agent Orange in the field or something like that.
Oh my god!
And there's even the possibility that the soil itself could be sterilized?
With the tetracycline, that would be a danger.
But again, I don't think we really improve the situation a whole lot by encouraging the increased use of herbicides or insecticides as the conveyor of the Pat, a lot of people listening this morning are going to be absolutely horrified.
Why is it that Art Bell has to have Pat Mooney on from Canada to tell the American people about something that's going on right under their noses?
Well, again, when the first patent was granted, the press release that came from the U.S.
government was that this was aimed at protecting U.S.
export markets overseas.
That the target for the technology was really farmers in third world countries who would otherwise save seed and would steal U.S.
technology because they saved seed.
That was how it was presented.
And so I guess... Now, now, wait a minute.
We have these giant Programs where we give immense amounts of money away and food to feed people in the third world who are starving to death now!
Yep.
It just creates an additional problem for them.
It's commerce, I guess.
Commerce.
So, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat Mooney.
Hello.
This is Connie from Clarkston.
Hello, Connie.
Yes, well I guess my question has already been answered.
I'm allergic to tetracycline and that sounds kind of scary.
Well again, I think it's not likely.
The cost is so high for the companies to use tetracycline.
It's a cost that they have to bear and then pass on to the farmers.
They really want to move the farmer on from From that to using their herbicides and activating the sequence that way.
So then, let's say they didn't use tetracycline, though that's in the patent, what would they likely use instead?
Well, again, a herbicide.
If it's Monsanto, they have a patented herbicide called Roundup.
If they can attach the sort of promoter, the trigger for the suicide sequence to Roundup herbicide, they'd rather do that.
They make more money that way.
They transfer the cost to the farmer rather than having it at their cost.
And they can encourage farmers to use more of their herbicide that way.
And every other company that's involved in this is approaching it from the same angle, kind of.
But in some of the work that's been done, they're claiming that they could almost decide that anything will trigger the suicide sequence.
So it could be a bright sunny day.
It could be rain.
Oh, is this the Art Bell Show?
spirit conditions of some kind.
Or it could be something as benign as flower spray or something.
I think that humanity is in a suicide sequence.
I'm beginning to come to that conclusion.
Ma'am, thank you.
Yes, thank you.
Take care.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Pat Mooney, way up in Canada.
Hello.
Oh, is this the Art Bell Show?
Yes, it is.
Hi, I want to talk to you about this touchless cycling.
Yes.
Um, I don't know if I'm on the air, but, uh, I've been reading up on this subject for... When I answer the phone and say, hi, first time caller line, you're on the air, that means you're on the air.
Oh, I apologize.
Um, I've been reading up on the subject, you know, on the hemp for the past 21 years with this Tetris Cycling, and, um, I've been reading through magazines, through books, and also through Norm.
They've been using this for the past 21 years from my gatherings in Mexico, Central America, Well, they used, you may recall, sir, something called Paraquat, and I'm not sure what Paraquat is.
Do you know what it is, Pat?
Well, again, it's a pesticide that's used fairly commonly in a number of crops.
So it's not just marijuana that would be sprayed?
No, no.
I think it's used in fruits as well, but I'm not an expert on Paraquat.
Nevertheless, it seemed to poison the plant so that People who would smoke it would get sick.
At least that's what a lot of people said.
And of course it destroyed apparently a lot of crops in Mexico, I guess.
Hmm.
Well, alright, uh, Pat, hold on, we'll do another segment.
At least we're learning what this Terminator Seed technology is all about.
And though we have Pat on who represents one side of the argument, I have yet to discern the other side of the argument, other than corporate profits, perhaps at the expense of 1.4 billion people who rely on saved seed, and that's if everything goes okay.
If everything goes wrong, sterile earth Sterile plants, goodbye weeds, goodbye trees, goodbye green stuff.
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Back now to Pat Mooney in Canada.
Pat, welcome back.
now to pat mooney in uh...
uh... canada uh... pat welcome back
lots of people want to talk to you so uh... here we go First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Art Bell and Pat Mooney.
How are you doing?
I'm fine, Art.
Well, no, I'm not.
I'm just... This is Saul with the San Francisco Bay Area.
Yes.
Hey, Pat, are these seeds, are they going to be chemically treated, or are they cross-bred hybrids?
I'm not clear on that.
Okay.
They're not hybrids, although some of the patents that have been developed by Pioneer Hybrid, for example, one of the major seed companies, in fact, linked the Terminator to a hybrid.
But no, the terminator has to be activated by an external chemical.
Okay, so they're going to have warning labels on these packets when you buy them?
We're a long way from that stage of the discussion, frankly.
They estimate they won't get these seeds into the commercial marketplace until any sooner than 2003.
That's really around the corner.
Oh yes, not long.
No, because you plant the garden, and you plant in your backyard your little plot, You know not to grow your zucchini next to your pumpkins, because you're going to get some weird-tasting fruit.
So, now what are we going to be able to trust?
Yeah, no, there are a lot of concerns.
Frankly, we think that the seeds should be, if they're sold at all, we hope they won't be, they should be labeled as being damaged goods, because they don't do what seeds normally do, which is... Reproduce.
So, okay, now... They shouldn't really be called seeds, they should be called something else, but not seeds.
Okay, so there's nothing really we can do.
Sure, I think you can.
I'd certainly send a message to your own federal representatives, I guess you're a congressman and senator in the state, and the Secretary of Agriculture.
Well, are you familiar with California?
We have this chemical in our gas called MTBE.
It's poisoning everybody.
We've been screaming about it for three years up here in the Bay Area.
We can't do anything here.
No, and in fact, you guys have pushed it onto us in Canada, too.
Through the North American Free Trade Agreement, we're being forced to accept it, even though we don't want it.
The MTBE?
Yeah.
Well, he banned it in two states, I believe, in the States here.
Yeah.
Are there going to be some kind of a civil action or some kind of a legal thing, group of people, to protest this?
I mean, I don't think the Sierra Club is going to go that far.
Well, they might.
There's certainly growing opposition to it.
I've been amazed.
I've been in this kind of work for about 30 years, and I've never seen a stronger reaction to something, against something, than I have to the Terminator.
Including from the U.S.
government itself, I must say, that we've had overtures from very senior officials from the Department of Agriculture, very close to the Secretary, who've asked us to come to meetings now to talk about it.
You know why?
Because there actually are some good people in government.
Sure.
Even though you tend to think when you look at the headlines every day that they're all a bunch of thieves and crooks.
They weren't in Congress today, though.
Well, don't get me started on that.
I know, I shouldn't start you on that.
But I'll tell you, I've never been so kind of angry at this because I have my children growing these little gardens every year.
But I can see that this is going to trickle down to the regular good old schmuck that plants a little garden every year.
Pretty soon they're going to have a little label on there.
Jay Stevens is going to have to go into storable seeds besides storable food, pretty soon.
You're right.
Well, Art, thank you for having Pat on there.
I'm going to hit his website and find out what... Exactly right.
And for those of you who would like to read about the Terminator seed technology, Pat Mooney's website is the place you can get to it through mine right now, if you wish.
You can also see the 33 evil eyes while you're there.
Anyway, just go on my website, scroll down to Pat Mooney's name, Click on the website connection and do some reading.
You may be moved to... You know, I'm kind of against form letters, Pat, because they tend to have not too much effect.
So my advice to my audience would be take your letter and modify it a bit and send it.
Exactly.
We encourage that, in fact.
People should do that.
They shouldn't just take what we suggest.
Alright, good.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Pat Mooney.
Hi!
Hey!
Mark!
Yes, yes.
Hey, what's up?
Got a question for him.
Yes.
Why would they come up with this to kill food seeds but not weeds?
And if you want to make everything great, kill the cucumbers, kill the cyanar grass or whatever else.
But why do they kill I think your question is clear.
He's saying kill the crops that turn into heroin or into cocaine or naturally grow up like pot implants or whatever.
Why go after food first?
That's a good point, but it's... I mean, they can go after everything.
The companies that have got patents on this are not exclusive in what they say they will go after.
But of course, it's easier to talk about development as a benefit to humanity in one way or another for rice or wheat or major crops like that, soybeans.
Yeah, unless you're some poor little guy in Bangladesh trying to knock out a little crop and feed a few people.
Exactly.
East of the Rockies, you're on there with Pat Mooney.
Hello.
Yes, this is Mark in Nashville, Tennessee.
Hi, Mark.
I had a couple comments here.
One, I'm kind of going back to the call that was threatening war from Canada.
Oh, you mean to destroy our oranges and flowers?
Right, right.
Kind of made me think.
A lot of countries use hemp around the world, including China, which would probably be more equipped to maybe start a war.
You know, that kind of gives you a little thought to think about there.
They use quite a bit of hemp over there.
For different things, you know, clothes and ink and paper and things.
Yes.
But the main thing, the concern about this Terminator thing, with the, you know, with getting seeds from a few limited sources, you know, I mean, I'm sure they're going to control, you know, they'd have to have a plant that grows a seed that will repopulate itself so they can, you know, keep their sources.
You know, what's going to happen if a disease hits that, a really resistant disease?
And or a mutation that alters a seed, you know, to make it maybe, you know, dangerous or poisonous or, you know, that could be even a terrorist attack.
I mean, you know.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Anybody in the world, you know, out there.
Is that right?
Could cook something up.
Is this caller correct?
Well, yeah, sure.
I mean, the companies have to multiply the seed themselves before they can sell it to people.
And so there has to be some seed that's being grown.
In these days, a lot of that seed is grown, in fact, in quite remote parts of the world.
Places like Chile, or Tanzania, or New Zealand, or Mexico sometimes.
You know, opposite sort of regions from the North, kind of, where there's an alternative growing season, kind of, to ours.
And they ship that seed up here.
If something happened to the crop down there, or diseases affected it there, then our food supply is even more threatened.
The seed is the first link in the food chain.
If you control the seed, you control the food chain.
Canadians certainly understate things.
I mean, it comes out so simply, but it has such big meaning.
You control the seed, you control the food chain, you control the world.
That's the way I put it.
All right.
Pauler, anything else?
Yes.
Well, I was just kind of like talking about the gentleman before.
I really urge everybody to Make some effort to, you know, speak out about this.
You know, kind of stop it and distract as much as possible.
Because, I mean, I can, you know... What happens if, you know, say this would have happened a few years ago, and Y2K hits, and government collapses, and we don't have an economy, and then who's going to give us a seat?
I know.
You know, I mean, that's scary.
I'm actually getting tired of being the one that has to break all of this news.
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't listen to you.
I appreciate your call, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pat Mooney and Art Bell.
Hi.
Really missed you Art, this is Lady of Kinnick, Kenai.
Home of Dick Lydell, where he's not on in the mornings like drinking decaffeinated coffee.
Well I take it that means that you are now happily ensconced back in the west of the Rockies line.
Yeah, but I signed up for long distance service today too to call you on that wild card line.
Oh really?
I got a phone because of you and now this.
I'm sorry.
Oh, that's all right.
I sat through Millennium to see what you look like.
Yes.
And that one scene with that poor girl on that table.
Yes.
It gave me really bad flashbacks to my last visit to the gynecologist.
I mean, it was really hard sitting through it.
Let's not go there.
I know, it's horrible.
But I want to tell you, what y'all are talking about right now is kind of like where it's written about two cents for a grain of barley and spare the oil and the wine.
and when it comes to this weather it seems like even mother nature is answering to father
god and that little statue that they gave you, your melted candle, your snuffed candle,
well what I was thinking maybe you could do the first annual kingdom of nigh ostrich award
have a partridge with a technical in the ground you know you have a neck come up
with that but it is still feathers huh at the ultimate but i want keeping themselves in the
dark uh... but but
excellent art take care of my well i issues she may be exactly right i
mean pat what are we doing to ourselves and why are we doing it to
ourselves is it all in the name
of the dollar Is that the true bottom line?
Yeah, it is.
I mean, I have to say that there are some scientists who are involved in this who I think genuinely believe that this is, given the kind of world we live in, paradise lost, that this is the best way to get new technologies to farmers.
And I really regret that they even can imagine that that's the way it is, but I think there's a genuineness in their feeling on that.
So I'm not going to condemn everybody for this.
But basically, this is dollar-driven.
And frankly, this is the first link in the food chain.
I think every culture in the world has something to the effect of saying that the Lord's Prayer kind of thing of, give us this day our daily bread.
Well, that should not be a prayer to Monsanto.
That should not be a prayer to a multinational corporation for our food supply.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Pat Mooney in Canada.
Well, yes.
Good evening.
Early good morning, I should say.
Thanks for taking my call.
I heard Dr. Vandana Shiva speak up in Canada, and she said that Manasena, she's an international known physicist, and she said that Manasena wanted to own the essence of life, and that's what this was about.
And she had urged people who live in cities and every place to start collecting seeds.
And one of the things that she said Was that even though people were dying with the famine, they always saved the seeds because the seeds were the essence of life.
Of course.
And sometimes we talk about the Antichrist being all these other places.
I mean, I think that we need to look closer to home sometime.
And to be really, I'm going to, one of the things I'm going to do tomorrow is that I'm going to activate a phone tree that I have here in Seattle.
I actually call it from Seattle.
And if we can't get some movement on this, because democracy only works when we make it work.
And right now, we've been so stuck on a sex scandal in America is that they're flipping all of these things through.
The sex scandal is a smokescreen of what's happening in America.
People need to wake up and understand that this is a democracy.
If you really want to be in a free society, then you must be a participant in the government, and that we need to stop this.
Right on, lady.
Thank you.
I add something to that, because there's, I mean, in the United States you've got two or three major organizations that can do something about this, in fact, that are saving seed and are sort of providing long-term protection for seed diversity in the United States.
One of them is in Decorah, Iowa.
It's called the Seed Savers Exchange.
It's got a long quarter century history, in fact, and it's a remarkably effective voluntary organization, a network of about 10,000 farmers and backyard gardeners who keep maintaining seeds of traditional varieties, keeping them alive and exchanging them.
And I'd really recommend that people who are concerned about this go to the Seed Savers Exchange.
All right, Pat.
Not everybody, by a long shot, in my audience has a computer.
Not everybody can go to your website.
Can you give us any contact information for yourself or your organization?
Telephone numbers, addresses, whatever.
Sure.
Boy, I should find my own fax number here, but I'll give you our phone number.
And that's area code 204.
Wait a minute, because you're going to get a lot of press calls here as a result of this.
So it's area code 204.
Yeah.
284.
284.
2217.
2217.
That is your organization's phone number?
Yes.
And is there any time when people should call?
I mean, during the day or 24 hours or what?
Well, they can call at any time.
Of course, we have an answering machine for night times, but we'll get back to them.
Okay, so that's 204-284-2217, and I would urge anybody in the press who has the proper body parts to print a story about this to do some inquiring quickly.
204-284-2217, how about an address?
two eight four two two one seven uh... how about an address uh... yes you can right to sweet one
as we speak to all to participate to a two one ten
osborne street and that's all as b or andy on point street
winnipeg manitoba and...
And the postal code is R-3-L-1-J-4.
What kind of postal code is that?
R-3-L-I-J-4?
1-J-4.
1-J-4?
1-J-4.
Run three laps, I'll jog four.
That's great!
Alright, that's R-A-F-I, right?
That's your organization.
RAFI, Suite 202, 110 Osborne Street, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
And your... It can't be.
It's not a zip code.
It's a... You call it... We call it a postal code.
A postal code.
It's the same kind of thing, but it's obviously different.
It's R-3-L, run three laps, 1-J-4, I'll jog four.
Alright, time for one more, I think.
West... No, Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Is this me?
Well, only you know that for certain, but it sounds to me like it's you.
Well, this is Becky.
I'm in Indiana and I'm thinking about, I'm hearing about this Terminator seed and how one of the worst things that could happen is that it could make all the plants commit suicide.
Yes.
And I'm making a kind of scary association in my mind.
Do you remember a show you had?
Sometime last year, I don't remember when, the lady's last name was Ocean and she was talking about dolphins.
That's right.
She said something about they emitted a sound or a vibration that when she was swimming with them seemed to take her... That is correct.
...in time to the future.
Yes.
When the world, I guess she said it was devoid of plants and people were talking about Trying to figure out how to grow food underground.
That's right.
And I'm just making that association and it's kind of scary.
The association is one to be concerned about.
It's a good one.
I'm glad you made it.
That is what she said.
She's not the only one to have said such a thing.
And of course that is the worst case scenario.
But again, I'm trying to figure out how to balance this in my mind.
Maybe there's something good for mankind In all of this, but I don't see it.
Well, I can't imagine how anything could be so good that it could be worth such a drastic risk.
I guess that summed it up pretty well, didn't it, Pat?
Yeah, it does.
Well, listen, you're going to get a lot of action on the phone, and I hope you enjoy the interviews you're about to do.
And if the press has any ethical gene left in their body, They'll get on this quick.
Pat, thank you.
Thank you.
Take care, my friend.
That's Pat Mooney.
And now you know about the Terminator scene.
Time after time.
We don't learn.
We just don't learn.
We'll be right back.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26th, 1999.
Time after time, if you fall I'll come get you.
Where will we wait, time after time?
I'll send a message to fate and a song of thunder to grace if you want to know.
All the leaves are brown and the sky is grey.
But if I can't go back in time for a while, on a winter's day, on a winter's day.
I think they can come, I think they can come, if I was in L.A., if I was in L.A.
California dreaming, California dreaming.
I thought you were to stay Stopped into a church
I passed along the way Well I got down on my knees
And I pretend to pray You asked me, would you like to go
He knows I'm gonna stay California, California
Bring me a crusher with a chain Somewhere in time with Art Bell continues courtesy of
Premier Network I actually have a little story that I think I can tell you
that goes along with this song and it's a true story, by the way
you So here it comes.
When I got out of the Air Force, I did briefly come across the country to see my family before returning to the Far East.
I spent a long time in the Far East.
And when I got home, I actually was with my dad at that time in New Jersey.
And we lived in Newark, New Jersey.
Newark, New Jersey, some time ago, was not exactly the ideal place to live.
And I worked in Nutley, New Jersey, for IT&T.
You know, IT&T, International Telephone and Telegraph.
Was doing microwave work for them.
Uh, we were building, uh, you know, it was a wonderful cost-plus, uh, communication van, uh, being designed for NATO.
And we were, I was doing a lot of, uh, microwave work.
Anyway, I, I, I, this was, um, I didn't have a car yet, so I had to take a bus every day from Newark to Nutley.
And I will never, I will never, ever forget for as long as I live It was a cold winter day.
A very, very, very, very cold winter day, as a matter of fact.
And I was in a rotten mood, and I was on my way to work, and I was in a phone booth.
And I was in the phone booth because it was so damn cold outside.
The snow was driving.
Now, no offense, because a lot of you I know live in snow country and love it, but I hate snow.
I hate it.
I don't like sloshing through it.
I don't like it falling.
I don't like driving through it.
I don't like snow.
And it was cold.
And here I was, shivering in this phone booth, and I had a little transistor radio with me.
This is a true story.
And what should come on the radio, but this.
And I've got to tell you, That was the exact instant I said, screw this, and I quit.
And I went to California.
And then I went back to the Far East.
And that's a true story.
That day, I quit.
And this song inspired me to do it.
I said, I'm out of here.
I can't handle it no more.
That's it.
I quit.
And I really did that day.
I never went into work.
I went home, I packed, and I left for California.
Now, as you know, we have 33 evil eyes on my website now.
And here's a grandmother from St.
Louis who writes, Art, I thought number 10 was bad until I saw number 25.
28 is really cool.
So there you are.
That's from Easy Grandma in St.
Louis, home of the Cardinals, Blues, and tonight the Pope.
Wonder if he's listening.
Wonder if he's considering the new rules that have come from the Vatican about exorcism and the reasons for exorcism, because he is, after all, going to meet with our President, right?
First-time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Call the wildcard line.
Area 702-727-1295.
area seven oh two seven two seven one two nine five but i have to be fed out
uh... you know our our little cardinal rule is no last name on the air except
when i'm on millennium So turn your radio off and we'll try it again.
You're Matt and you're calling from where?
I'm actually in Eugene, Oregon.
Turn that radio off now.
Radio's off.
Good.
Alright.
Then you're on.
Okay.
I'd like to talk to you about the tree-sitters down here.
Oh yes, people who sit in trees.
Yeah.
Why do they sit in the trees?
They are saving the old growth forest.
Old growth forest.
So they sit in trees figuring that nobody in their right mind would come along and cut down a tree, possibly injuring or killing them.
Right.
Do you know the story about Julia Butterfly or any other situation that's in Northern California?
I've been seeing some of the stories about all of this, yes.
I'm just wondering if you would possibly consider having an interview with one of these people.
I would.
Yes, I would interview a person in a tree.
Okay.
You know I would.
Would you like to arrange it for me?
Yeah, I would.
How high in the tree do they generally sit?
Well, I have a friend that's 202 feet.
Oh my God.
In an old growth tree.
My God, are you... 202 feet in the air?
Seriously.
You really mean that?
Yeah.
And he's lived there for a while.
I fully support him.
Wow!
With laundry.
Can you feed him?
Well, at 202 feet, he ought to be able to hit a cell site real well or something.
He could almost broadcast direct to me.
Yeah, he could.
I can give you his number.
Your kid's name is Frodo.
I could call this person in a tree?
Seriously.
You really mean that?
I really mean that.
I'm not kidding.
You're not yanking my chain?
No, not at all.
At what times is this person available for interviews?
Um... I mean, what if I were to call him right now?
Possibly.
Possibly.
It's probably like 2 or 3 in the morning here now.
Yeah?
Well, does he leave his cell phone on all the time?
Well, he has a voicemail.
And he's with Red Cloud Thunder is the name of the group that are tree sitters.
I would love to talk to somebody.
I'm here in Eugene.
It's about two feet in the air.
I'll tell you what you do.
Either email me.
I can't do that because I don't own a computer.
How about a fax machine?
Well, I could do that through other sources.
I mean, I can get to a fax machine.
That's not a problem.
I would love to give you his number.
All right, hold on a minute.
I want the number, so I'm going to arrange something to get the number here, all right?
Okay.
So hold on a second here.
It's not a problem.
See, I'm the only person here.
It's not like I have a big operation.
Yeah, I understand that.
I just recently... Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I understand.
Hold on.
We'll be right back.
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Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up.
But I think it's set up now, and it's working just the way they like it.
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You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26th, 1999.
Alright, this guy's name is Frodo.
Frodo lives 202 feet in the air in a tree.
and all right this guy's name is frodo
frodo lives two hundred and two feet in the air in a tree i mean this is a story
i'm getting now i'll bet you frodo is not
awake at this power probably doesn't have his cell phone on but i'm going to
I think I'm going to try and call Frodo and see what we get.
I hope I don't wake somebody up in the middle of the night or something.
The defense of Fall Creek continues.
Please leave a detailed message for Frodo, any of the trolls or Ewoks, or for the ancient old-growth trees here at Fall Creek.
Peace.
Peace.
Peace, brother.
Hey, listen, this is Art Bell, and I'm trying to get an interview with Frodo, who's 202 feet up in the air in a tree.
So, would you do me a favor, and would you fax me a good time to go?
Can Frodo be up in the middle of the night, is the question, and if you would send me a fax.
They probably don't send faxes because of the paper from the wood, do they?
If you'll get hold of me by email, how about that?
ArtBell at AOL.com.
Or you can fax me, and let me know if Frodo can make himself available in the middle of the night to talk to me, and I will call Frodo.
So there is the message.
Thank you very much.
Beep.
And we'll disconnect.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, good morning, Art.
Good morning.
This is Dave down by Brownsville, Texas.
Brownsville?
Way down there.
Yeah, way down here.
We have about 80 degrees heat in the daytime.
I know Brownsville.
Well, that's probably for seed piracy.
Yeah, seed piracy.
I'll just tell you about what eight architects, middle and those down here in this part of
the country, Pinkerton detectives, they go out and check these fields and there have
been about five farmers that got fined like $30,000 to $40,000 for seed piracy.
The problem is they had signed a contract saying they would not reuse the seeds.
They bought them conditionally and there was a civil contract.
So if they signed it then that's their problem.
Yeah.
Also I wanted to tell you about the spraying.
This last summer I was up in Nebraska, Iowa, Oklahoma.
Were you sprayed?
Yes I was.
And what happened?
Well in April I went in for a physical.
Because I'm supposed to renew my medical and my pilot's license.
Well, my heart's enlarged now, and I'm dying.
You're dying?
Yes, I am.
A doctor actually told you you're dying?
Yes.
What did he say?
He said... You're dying.
I mean, but he mustn't... They don't quite... They're not that blunt about it, are they?
He told me that since April I've got congestive heart failure, high blood pressure, enlarged heart, and emphysema.
I've watched these planes, especially over in eastern Oklahoma, from Oklahoma City east to Missouri line, you see these 747s come over.
I've seen one one morning about 10 o'clock in the morning.
And he was really putting the stuff out.
And there was actually a rainbow behind him.
Because he was flying east into the sun.
Okay, but see, that doesn't automatically mean he was spraying.
It could have been a contrail.
Well, it could have been.
Now, you were in Air Force, you know what a contrail is.
Yeah, I do.
What happens to a contrail after the plane gets by?
I do, I do, I do.
It dissipates.
That's right, yes.
Okay, these don't dissipate.
They spread out.
They look like rain coming down.
That's what I'm hearing.
Well, I don't know what to tell you.
How long do they give you?
I've got two or three more months if I'm lucky.
Two or three months?
Yeah.
It's all I can do to climb two sets of steps to get to my room.
But I wanted to let people know out there just how rotten... You know, just discussing your mortality for a second.
I had a friend the other day who dropped dead instantly.
In a way, you're luckier.
Because in a way, you can make peace.
You can say goodbye to the people that you need to say goodbye to.
You can make peace with your maker and yourself.
You can settle your affairs.
You've got time to do all that.
So in some ways, I guess, we're all going where you're going, partner.
Well, I'll tell you, Art, I'm 61 years old.
I've had a full life, and I'm not scared of death.
God bless you.
But I wanted to let you and the people around the country know just what is going on.
And as far as the Air Force is concerned, I consider them cold-blooded murderers, because they're murdering me.
I appreciate your call, sir.
You know, proving that kind of thing, it's like trying to prove the Gulf Syndrome.
I don't know.
You know, my guest last night said that.
How are we going to prove it?
If they really have come up with this stuff that comes down and then dissipates, so you can't even get a sample of the damn stuff, what are you going to do?
I don't know.
You can bet we're going to have him on again soon.
On the international, whoops, we missed you, just missed you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
Yeah, I've got a question for you.
Why are we all sitting here discussing the cover story on the seed problem instead of what's really going on?
The federal government gives out seed and food all over the world, doesn't it?
Our government does, yes.
Yes, and they're sitting there and they're turning around and they're saying this poor country had a flood and they don't have any food to feed their people.
But food, you know, is control.
So they're going to start sending this seed over there where they can't siphon any off to grow their own food next year.
You got it.
Which means we're politically Forcing them into our way of thinking.
That's correct.
And then we will be the good guys who will hand them food if they conform.
And if they don't, we're using food as a weapon, which is against our bylaws of our country.
Well, actually, you would think if you could conclude that it's being used as a weapon, it would be against international treaties.
But they're not going to characterize it as a weapon, even though I think you're right.
Also, on this pornography deal on the internet, I sent you a letter concerning KidNet.
KidNet?
Yeah.
We've got to create a network with a new handle for KID, where it's strictly PG-13, anyone who signs up for it volunteers to be regulated so the rest of the net doesn't have to be censored, and it's given out to companies who want to deal with kids.
Does it prevent a kid from going someplace where a kid ought not go?
Because you create browsers that only deal with KidNet, and you set up a system where they voluntarily only go to other KidNet locations and no others.
Well, that's kind of an okay idea, but you know... A Nike kid will only have other...
Hypertext locations that are only other kid locations.
Okay, but I'm going to tell you what I think is wrong with that idea.
Here's what I think is wrong.
I think it's well-intentioned.
But the Internet is the world's greatest single resource.
Remember the old days when there were encyclopedia salesmen?
I don't even know if we still got encyclopedia salesmen in the world.
I haven't seen one knock on my door in years.
Of course, I've got a big fence now.
But they used to knock on your door, you know, and the world of knowledge.
Well, right now, the world of knowledge is actually on the Internet, along with a bunch of bad stuff.
But there's a world of knowledge out there.
So I don't know that you would want to restrict a kid to a kid's net, per se.
Because you would be, in effect, locking out that world of knowledge if you would only send them to kid's sites.
So, you know, it's well-intentioned, but I don't think that's the right approach.
That's my opinion.
Good idea, bad way to go about it.
What a world today, huh?
Strange world.
This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
I'm going to sing a song from the movie, The Ghost.
In a castle dark or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet, you know that ghost is me.
And I will never be set free as long as I'm a ghost that you can't see.
If I could read your mind, love, what a tale your thoughts could tell.
Just like a paperback novel, the kind that draws you in.
I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way.
It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
Something calls to me.
you The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why
Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere In Time
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
Art Bell has 33 evil eyes on his website.
This calls for immediate notification of Joe Nickel, Bill Cooper, and Jerry Falwell.
Immediate.
I'm looking at myself, reflections of my mind. It's just the kind of day to leave myself behind.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell, and that, of course, is the Moody Blues.
And they're singing about this day.
Not the right time of day, but certainly about this day.
You are listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
It has been pointed out to me that in addition to my 33 evil eyes,
you Now, information that when the Pope dies, who is now in St.
Louis, there will be a committee of, guess what, 33 people to vote on who the new Pope will be.
This is not to mention the 33 cent stamp, the 33rd Super Bowl, and of course I can't relate any information at all about the Masons.
Hello there.
On the wild card line, you're on the air.
Hello there.
Hi.
I wanted to talk to you about your triple X idea.
Yes.
Well, it's a good idea.
It's actually not mine.
It's Keith Rowland's.
I just, I aired it.
You mentioned that.
It's a good idea, but it's too logical.
It'll never fly.
Yeah, I mean, it is so logical, isn't it?
Yeah, it is.
I mean, it just, it's like in Unix or DOS speak.
It's like a wild card, right?
It just filters out anything that ends with XXX.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
And boy, do we have an echo.
Woo!
Hello!
Hello!
I'm here.
That's cool.
Hello!
It's like yelling across a canyon.
Sorry about that.
Congress would have to, uh, would have to pass a law, right?
And of course they'd have to hang a bunch of spending bills on it.
And then they'd have to accept porn, right?
Which would legitimize it, so to speak.
Well, I appreciate your call, sir, and I think it ought to fly.
And all you did was really point out why it ought to fly.
We have com now, dot com, which indicates a commercial site, which by the way, mine is.
You'll see advertising on it.
but it'll never fly.
Well, I appreciate your call, sir, and I think it ought to fly,
and all you did was really point out why it ought to fly.
We have com now, dot com, which indicates a commercial site, which, by the way, mine is. You'll see advertising on it.
And then there's dot org, O-R-G, org, and that means it's a non-commercial site.
.gov, G-O-V, government.
So why not have a .xxx?
Hmm?
Why not?
It's a brilliant idea, actually.
And then anything could be easily configured by a parent to disallow, in the browser, any .xxx site.
Do our ratings and Then you'd have to have a triple R. No, I guess we'd better not complicate it, huh?
Don't forget, Thursday night, Friday morning, because of what Jerry Falwell has said, I once again will open my Antichrist line, and believe me, you will hear.
Oh, you will hear some people that are obviously not the Antichrist, though they think they are.
You will hear, perhaps, if he's out there, well, you know, He's to the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hey, Art Bell.
Hey.
This is Ethan from St.
Charles.
Ethan, how you doing?
I'm doing all right.
How about yourself?
Reasonably well.
Well, I heard you say those two verses from the Bible earlier.
They seemed relevant.
But I'm not letting you read one.
I'm not going to.
There's also another one on that page that says some more things among There's a book that I'd like you to check out.
What is it?
It's called Hemp Horizons.
I can't remember the author.
Hemp Horizons?
Yes.
Hemp Horizons?
Hemp Horizons.
It's very relevant and it actually has a picture of a house totally made of hemp.
It also has a chair totally made out of hemp.
And it basically explains everything.
Is this Hemp Horizon book made out of hemp?
Actually, yeah, I do believe so.
Alright, well then it would make sense.
Thank you.
Here's another Arts Hole hint, alright?
One of the most important features of life in our modern era is presently easy communications over very long distances.
As a matter of fact, we take it for granted.
The ability to pick up the phone, right?
I do it all the time.
Or log on to the internet.
Communicate with anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Unfortunately, this essential ability to communicate freely with others is in grave danger because of the Y2K bug.
The telephone network, the internet, and all other means of communication that we normally rely upon to communicate with people in distant locations are at grave risk due to their dependence, whether direct or indirect, on the power grid As well as their internal vulnerabilities to the Y2K bug itself.
However, there is one means of communication over long distances that is not dependent on any outside services like the power grid or the telephone system can be operated by individuals without going through any other intermediaries.
The amateur radio service.
What amateur radio is in the United States, the FCC grants licenses at no charge to qualified individuals who wish to make use of certain portions of the radio spectrum for their own personal use.
Most other countries have authorities that do the same for their citizens and residents, so most of this discussion, obviously, is applicable to you, even if you live in a country other than the U.S.
Although the details do vary.
That's another hint with regard to Arts Hole.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning to you.
Gina, I'm calling from Pasadena, California.
Hi, Gina.
790 KVC, where LA comes to talk.
That's it.
That's the place.
Greetings and salutations from the fiefdom of California to the Crown Prince of the Kingdom of Nine.
I, uh...
I have several things for you.
I don't know if you, I'm sure you do, but if you do or don't, have you seen this week's Time Magazine, February 1st issue?
No.
What is it?
It's, well, the cover is Mr. Bill.
But it's got several amusing things and a couple of synchronicities for you.
And there's a little numbers section.
It says, number of times that Clinton's State of the Union address was interrupted by applause, 98.
The number of people who stepped to applaud after he vowed to fight the Y2K problem won.
They've got a little thing on page 21, it's a 60 second symposium, and it says that we were alarmed to hear that Pluto might be demoted from planet to trans-Neptunian object by the International Astronomical Union.
It's true.
Talking about taking its status away upon it, losing its status.
Well, they got a little thing there with astrologers.
Right up there with a Terminator seed.
Well, here's the synchronicity, if you're ready for this.
This is very, very bizarre.
There's an article here, a little short article, about your friend Joe Formage.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
And, you know, you are mentioned, of course.
You know, he's giving interviews to everyone from CNN to UFO-friendly radio host Art Bell.
That's on page 43.
You immediately turn to page 44.
The article is called, The Suicide Seeds.
Really?
Talking about the Terminator genes.
I was listening last night and tonight and just going, It's time to bend over, put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye.
Yeah, it really does sound like that.
But I said, you know, you talk about the synchronicity that just, you know, blew me away.
Was to have him on one page and the Suicide Sees on the next, on the very night that you're talking about it.
That is rather synchronistic, I must say.
Good night, and try to keep a smile.
I do, I really do.
Thank you.
I try to keep smiling through all of this.
Don't forget, Friday night, Saturday morning, Ed Dames is going to be here.
On my international line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Eric Bell.
Yes.
Yeah, this is Jonathan from Esplanade, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Yes, sir.
I'm just listening to your program here.
And, uh, since there's so many Canadians tuning in, I just wanted to make a comment on, uh, we have a new satire program here on our CBC channel?
Yes.
Called, uh, This Hour is 22 Minutes.
Yes.
Are they making fun of me?
No, no, not making fun of you, just Americans in general.
Oh.
Really?
What do they say about Americans?
Well, they're at, uh, they have a segment called Talking to Americans.
Yes.
And they're in, uh, Harvard, talking to some students on campus.
Yes.
Asking them if they were, uh, what they felt about Canada opening up the, uh, seal hunt in the ice floes of Saskatchewan.
Yes.
And, uh, most of the people disagreed with the opening of the seal hunt in the ice floes of Saskatchewan.
Well, I guess we're not really loved up there a whole lot, huh?
Oh no, you guys are liked, it's just that, uh, it seems that, uh, like, all of us Canadians know tons of stuff about America.
Why do you think that is, anyway?
I don't know.
I've given that a considerable amount of thought.
Even though your nation is not nearly as populated as ours, in fact, but you still have, what, about 40 million people?
Something like that?
And that's about the size of California.
And that's big, because California has always said, we could be our own nation.
And so, there's a bunch of you up there.
There's no question about it.
There was a guy who called in the first hour of my show this morning who threatened us with retaliation for the fungus.
With regard to the pot plants, he said he was going to kill all our oranges in Florida.
Must be from D.C.
Yep, yep.
As a matter of fact, I think he was.
All right, sir.
I appreciate the call.
Thank you very much.
Canadians, yes.
On the serious side, I don't know what to expect this coming Friday.
All right.
I spoke with Ed Dames' wife, and she was somewhat concerned.
Ed Dames has been remote-viewing Satan by himself in the wilds of the Hawaiian Islands.
I can't say where, but in the wilds.
Remote-viewing Satan.
And when I spoke briefly to Ed, And he sounded, um, affected, is the word I would say, affected.
So I'm really, really curious about what it's going to be like Friday night.
Really curious.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Hi there, this is Dan calling from Spring Valley, Illinois, listening to you on Cleveland's own WTAM 1100.
That is a way to do a promo.
Thank you.
All right, I had a question and a comment.
First of all, whatever happened with that time traveler?
Which one?
Yeah, the one that sent you a couple letters saying how... I believe he said... Oh, the one that was published on the website?
Yes.
We believe he is dead.
Oh.
Was that his friend that told you that?
Yes.
Oh.
His friend believes he is dead.
He would have been back to us by now.
Well, that's unfortunate.
Also, I think I know what your hole is.
Don't say it on the air.
Oh, okay.
I've got a pretty good idea, nevertheless.
Alright, well, email it to me.
Okay, I'll do that.
I want to hold the suspense until the last possible moment.
Well, it's pretty odd looking.
I know.
Alright, thank you very much.
Thank you.
And I guess I better hold this and read it myself.
He's talking about five day warnings, likely regions for significant seismic activity due to my OTIS predicted torrents, volcanoes, solar flares.
And CME forecast along with other comments of topical value of the day.
All right, so all of that must be on his website now.
It does sound as though he could be talking to Stan again.
Okay, we'll see what we can do.
It sounds like it's about time to get the fan on again.
I didn't want to read this on the air because there might have been parts of it I shouldn't read on the air.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, this is John from Lakeview, Oregon, and I just want to say hi, Art.
Hi, John.
Basically, I just wanted to tell you about the show, last night's show.
Yes.
About the thing on the sicknesses and stuff, and I've My mom and stuff has got a cold and stuff, but you know, a lot of people have been getting sick around the country, and I wonder, have you had any reports?
What's the symptoms of this cold?
Because I was listening closely, but I didn't... Alright, well, the symptoms are very, thank you, non-specific.
Uh, there seems to be a lot of nasal congestion and chest congestion.
Uh, very disproportionate levels, uh, going on right now.
And, I think that was generally what was said, and of course something a more, uh, what would be the right word, to nail down that probably has something to do with the immune system in general.
Wildcard line, you're on the air, hi.
Art, how are you doing?
Greg in Utah, listening to 570K News.
Yes, sir.
How are you?
I am just fine.
Good.
Hey, I just caught the last part of one of your callers earlier, talking about the government growing marijuana.
That's right.
The government does grow marijuana, you know.
In Mississippi?
I don't know if it grows marijuana in Mississippi, but I knew they do.
What do they grow it for?
For medicinal use.
By who?
Because they stop the medicinal use program.
Okay.
But they got, they do make, there is a marijuana derivative that they, that they do use for marijuana.
That may well be, but I, I think, um, I appreciate your call sir, but I think you're wrong.
They at one time did grow marijuana for medicinal use, but I believe that they have stopped that and that they are now making the case That there is no reasonable medicinal use for marijuana, and therefore, how could they grow it?
And at the same time, oppose states where the majority of the people in the state have voted medicinal use of marijuana for anybody who needs it, and they have taken the vote away from these people?
Federal judges have ruled these votes to be invalid?
What kind of democracy is that?
It stinks, you know?
The people of a state vote something, whatever it is, assisted suicide in Oregon, whether you like it or hate it, it was the people who voted it, or the decriminalization, or more of marijuana, if the majority of the people in the state voted, how can it be in a federal judge's jurisdiction To overrule such a democratic occurrence.
Beats the hell out of me.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, good morning, Art.
Let me get my radio.
Yes, sir.
I just called to say the past couple nights have been a great show, real informative, and I'd say 33's to you.
33's.
Yeah, that's good.
I like that, sir.
I think you're right.
It's a shame that this stuff hasn't come out on your show.
Although, if it has to come out anywhere, hey, I'm glad it's yours.
Well, it's just a shame that there has to be only one single place where this kind of information is made available.
Now, yes, many, many, many times, after it's here, two or three months later, then it's elsewhere.
But for two or three months, people think I'm nutty as a fruitcake, and I might be.
But an awful lot of it turns out that way.
Two or three months later, it's in the headlines, and people are calling me and saying, gee whiz, you were right.
How about that?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Hello.
Wow, I can't believe it.
A lot of people say that.
I can't believe it.
There were other things that I wanted to say, but in regards to your comment on the growing of the marijuana, that sounds naive for you to say that, because there's a lot of things that they tell us they don't do, but they are.
Well, that's true.
Anyway, I wanted to tell you something, Art.
On January 5th, I flew down to Phoenix, Arizona to drive my mother back up to Northern California.
Twenty minutes out of Phoenix, we were listening to a radio station and they broke in to say that there was something falling out of airplanes all over people's cars and yards and bodies.
It was determined that it was fuel, kerosene.
Yes, jet fuel.
Do you remember hearing that?
Well, certainly jets do dump fuel in emergency situations, for example.
They do it over land, they don't like to, but it can happen, so it might have been that.
Or, on the other hand, it might have been something else entirely.
Yeah, because people were calling in and they were livid because they were saying, We are not this stupid that we could not differentiate the difference between, um, and this is, I, I was very surprised last night because this is what they were describing it as.
Could have been jet fuel, could have been alien poop.
Listen, my program is over.
Tell everybody goodnight.
Goodnight everybody.
I'm afraid that's gotta be it.
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