Patrick Roy Mooney warns of Terminator Seed Technology, where Monsanto’s patented sterile seeds (like tetracycline-triggered or Roundup-dependent varieties) force farmers to repurchase annually, threatening food security for 1.4 billion who rely on saved seeds and risking ecological collapse via pollen contamination—even targeting insects critical to ecosystems. With 28M hectares already planted with transgenic crops and 80% projected to adopt Terminator seeds by 2010, Mooney urges public pressure to halt its spread, citing corporate greed over humanitarian need as the driving force behind this potential agricultural catastrophe. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I did you all good evening or good morning as the case may be, and welcome to another edition of the Weird.
Sometimes I just call it that.
Sometimes, in fact, it really is.
This is Strange Talk Radio.
Indeed, it's called Coast to Coast AM, and it's heard from the, well, Thank youbroadcast.com.
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All right.
We are going to talk tonight about something that caught my attention really, really, really hard.
It may well be that I don't understand properly what I should understand.
But it's called Terminator Seed Technology.
And if I understand it correctly, it would put plant diversity, in fact the world's food supply, at risk.
Basically, it is this, I guess.
Right now, in some parts of the world, not necessarily where we are, but in some parts of the world, farmers who don't have money to go buy fresh seed every year do, as farmers have done since the beginning of time, and get their seeds from the crop that they harvest.
That's the way it used to be done.
I understand that a lot of seed companies have contracts with farmers, contracts the farmers have to sign to get seed, which basically promise they will not use the seed from the crop for next year's crop, whatever.
Why in the hell that even makes sense, I don't know.
But the Terminator seed, or seed technology, I guess you would properly term it, would make the contract moot.
They wouldn't need to sign anything because the seeds would be sterile.
Sterile.
Sterile seeds.
Seeds that could never be used for anything again.
They wouldn't grow a thing.
And of course, that's an enforceable contract.
Now, maybe that's all right for large corporations and American farmers, but it sure isn't for the rest of the world where they need those seeds.
And then just one more thing.
Why would you want to begin to sterilize the seeds, the basic seeds of life, you know, the wheat, the barley, the corn, all those basics.
Why would you want to do that if you had half a brain in your head?
I mean, can't you imagine something going wrong?
It's like the marijuana business.
Oh, incidentally, some follow-up to last night's program.
Actually, there's quite a bit of follow-up.
You'll find it on my website.
If you haven't been up there yet, you really ought to go up there and take a look.
Keith has just found some absolutely amazing things.
And I say I really mean it.
Absolutely amazing things that relate to last night's program.
And as a matter of fact, actually validate last night's program.
So what I would do is I would suggest strongly you go take a look.
Saddam Hussein is angry at us.
And now he is threatening to retaliate against the U.S. He's vowing that his people's blood, quote, will not be shed in vain, end quote.
Earlier, U.S. warplanes, as you know, fired missiles.
One of them went wrong, killed 11 people, injured 59 in and around the city of Basra.
And they've been showing the damage on TV, and it looks pretty significant.
Well, I don't know what he's going to do.
I have no idea what he's going to do.
And I have no idea, frankly, with respect to Iraq what we are going to do either.
We don't want to win the war, it would appear, because we don't want Saddam really gone, or he'd be gone.
If we wanted to win the war, we could win the war.
We have the power to do that.
Instead, we choose to skirmish and skirmish.
We fly planes north and south in areas roped off as no-fly zones.
They fire at us.
We fire at them.
Things like this happen.
The Senate up a four and one-half-hour closed-door session in which senators debated whether witnesses should be questioned at the president's trial.
Again, a closed-door session.
I think the shameful award of the decade should go to the U.S. Senate for doing all of this in secret.
Oh, I have to say about it.
Now, they're going to vote tomorrow on the motion to dismiss the case brought by Robert Byrd, Senator Byrd.
Should the motion fail, Which probably will.
Then they will vote immediately on whether or not to call witnesses, but debate on all of this is being done in private behind closed, locked doors.
Shame on you, Senate.
Shame on you.
This is here.
And he will, of course, meet with the President.
And by the way, there are updates now, new rules for exorcism within the Catholic Church.
The Vatican issued some new guidelines Tuesday for driving out devils, urging exorcists not to mistake psychiatric illness for diabolic possession, but also stressing the power of evil.
The new exorcism rite in Latin and contained in a red leather-bound 84-page book also reflects Pope John Paul II's efforts to convince the skeptical that the devil is very much in the world.
That the existence of the devil isn't an opinion, something to take or leave as you wish, said a Vatican official who presented the revisions.
Anyone who says he doesn't exist wouldn't have the fullness of the Catholic faith.
In today's world, the Cardinal said the devil's force comes through widespread acceptance of lies, deceit, the idolatry of money, and sex.
Idolatry and sex, and he's meeting with our president?
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Well, he should drive the evil out of the man, shouldn't he?
Have you seen the pictures of the damage from the Colombian earthquake?
My God.
Everything went flat.
They claim a minimal number of injuries based on what we see.
There ought to be thousands dead.
Now, they're saying, no, it's not true, but when you look from the air at the damage of that earthquake, it's hard not to imagine that those sorts of numbers were not killed.
That's what they're saying.
Well, this is cute.
Russia's defense ministry, admitted Mumby, it considered the Millennium computer bug a problem, and a Pentagon official says a U.S. delegation is going to go to Moscow next month to talk to them about it.
A ministry spokesman said, there is a problem, and we are working on it, he said, referring to a fault in which computer software, first developed in the early 60s and 70s, of course, failed to recognize the year 2000, causing all kinds of trouble.
And of course, our chief interest, I'm sure, with respect to the Russians is not so much for their infrastructure, which is pretty well blown away anyway, but for their nuclear weapons.
That's what I would imagine we would be most interested in.
Well, first there were crop circles, and now there are ice holes.
New ones.
Altwater is not the only place where star-shaped holes have mysteriously begun to appear in Lake Lee.
On January 10th, Mickey and Sherry Sharp saw similar holes while clearing the pond behind their Maple Grove homes for skating.
The holes were small, about the size of a human hand, and with such very sharp, clear-cut edges, they could have been made with cookie cutters.
The sharps and their neighbors were intrigued.
They speculated that muskrats or beavers could have broken through the ice, a shallow pond, except that the ice is nine inches thick.
Edge so sharp, if something blew it out from below, you'd think there would be pieces of ice on top.
And if something from the top came down, even hitting it in the center, how could it put the little octopus tentacles that it does out?
Snowed.
The neighbors then forgot about the holes until the great at-water ice mystery arose.
On Saturday morning, Mickey noticed a crow drinking from open water on the pond.
He went out to investigate.
And guess what, folks?
More star holes in the ice, nine inches thick.
No footprints nearby.
And this time the holes were bigger and more numerous.
So I'm getting all these reports of ice holes.
what in the world what in the world or perhaps not in the world would would be doing this penetrating Penetrating the ice in such a clear, precise way, what could do that?
I have no idea.
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Get a new view of the world with Coast to Coast AM.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
Neil Slade, Neil Slade sent this to me, and I'm going to read it to you as he sent it.
Dear Ark, many people who have heard me on your show frequently ask, what happens when my amygdala is clicked backwards?
Now, you may recall Neil Slade is the man who came on the program and talked about clicking forward the amygdala and then being able to do things that we have talked about on this program into a higher form of brain activity.
So anyway, he says, many people have heard me on your show and often ask what happens when my amygdala is clicked backwards instead of forwards.
I hope this true yet very sad tale, winner of the 98 Darwin Awards, illustrates the dangers of inadequate frontal lobe usage.
Airborne, Germany.
Overzealous zookeeper Friedrich Reinsfeld fed his constipated elephant, Stefan, 22 full doses of animal laxative and more than a bushel of berries,
figs, and prunes before the plugged-up pachyderm finally let it fly and, in fact, actually suffocated the keeper under a total of 200 pounds of poop.
It's not one of your better ways to go.
Investigators say that ill-fated Friedrich, 46 at the time of his demise, was attempting to give the ailing elephant an olive, an olive oil enema, that is, when the finally suddenly relieved beast unloaded on him like a dump truck full of mud.
The quote quote here, the sheer force of the elephant's unexpected defecation knocked our victim to the ground, where he struck his head on a rock and then lay unconscious as the elephant continued to evacuate on top of him.
End quote.
That was the Petterborn police chief, Eric Dern, who said, sadly, with no one there to help him, he lay there under all that dung for at least an hour before a watchman came along.
During that time, he suffocated.
Seems to be just one of those freak accidents that happen, said the detective.
Dr. Neil Slade.
I guess, you know, there are various ways.
We're all going to go.
Nobody's getting off the planet alive, at least not yet, until they make some more advances, right?
Nobody's getting out of here alive.
far better ways to go.
And feeding an elephant all of that laxative and then all of that food and then giving it an enema and then, of course, being in precisely the wrong place at the wrong time.
Well, I don't know.
It just seems...
Well, I guess, as Neil said, it's what occurs when the amygdala, which normally should be clicked forward, is sadly clicked in the other direction.
And you're just not thinking straight.
We've got to have Neil on again.
We will have Neil on again soon.
So coming up, after the bottom of the hour, nothing but open lines straight ahead till the top of the hour.
And then the Terminator C technology.
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No!
You love her then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
Worn appraisers and learning gazes won't get you where you want to go.
Words of love, salt and candor won't wither.
You ought to know by now.
Worn appraisers and learning gazes won't wither.
Anymore.
Worn appraisers and learning gazes won't wither.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
It's been tearing at me for the last couple of days, which, by the way, have been spent buried inside a computer, trying to figure out, configure an ISDN line that refused to be configured.
And I want to thank Ernie Swally of ISAT in Las Vegas for spending the last two or three days on the phone with me and several other people.
It was Ernie who finally figured it out.
the ISDN line is up and running like a bandit.
I'm telling you, after years now of having modem connections at, uh, oh, in the early years, 19.2 was pretty good, 21.6 then was a thrill, and one day I actually hit 28.8, and that was unbelievable.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, I'm scooting along at 128 kilobytes a second.
And I've got to tell you, even though it was tragic, a tragic amount of man hours that it took to get it accomplished, we did, and you know, when it's working, it's, boy, is it worth it.
It's really neat.
So, the ISDN woes are finally over.
And it was one of those, Ernie, Ernie Swally, I guess, is kind of like I am, uh, bless his heart.
He's one of those guys who will not quit on principle.
I mean, you just don't let something like that beat you.
You either beat it or you die trying.
And Ernie and I nearly died trying.
He runs that, uh, that IP in Las Vegas, I sat, and we've nearly died trying.
But the guy spent days on the phone with me, literally, my wife can tell you days on the phone to do this.
I'm sure she was beginning to wonder about my sanity, as I wondered at times about it as we fought the good fight.
It's been absolutely
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No offense to the Pope, but as I said on the air, it's kind of like you wait while the Senate debates and votes, and you sort of wait for three puffs of smoke to come out of the Senate building at Capitol Hill to see what's happened.
Do we have a new president on the way, Al Gore?
Do we have the same old Prez for a while longer until there are actual elections?
I mean, that is what's at stake here.
And these guys are doing it behind closed doors.
Have they lost their absolute Democrat-Republic minds?
I mean, what's going on?
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It's unreal.
I mean, you know, this is not America as we had envisioned it.
There's Rule 29, which says any senator who would come out and say anything that happened or repeat anything that occurred in those closed sessions would be drummed out with prejudice, immediately thrown out of the Senate.
So this is not democracy, as I understand democracy practiced in our republic, a limited form of democracy anyway.
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Well, I hope one of them has the guts to come out and say something about it one way or another.
Well, if they can't do it in four and a half hour sessions, if they can do it secretly in four and a half hour sessions, then what is it we don't understand about the American political system that they can't do it in public?
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There is no America.
You don't want to get me talking.
I'm so extreme right-wing, it's pathetic, but there is no American political system anymore.
It's nothing but TV, how good they look on TV, and you know what I mean.
I don't want to ramble on and on.
But if they would have been televised, it probably would have taken a week just to get this one vote done.
You honestly think that they could, for example, take a vote in secret with debate we never heard that would exonerate the president and they'd come out and declare that like a new pope and you'd be happy you're out your mind well i didn't say that well okay okay but but sir that could be the likely result well what i'm saying all i'm saying is if it would have been on tv every single one of these jokers all right no stop stop just stop what i want to know from you
if they walked out tomorrow after the vote and they said, we have voted to throw out all the charges, then what are you going to say?
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Nothing, because what happens in Washington doesn't affect my life.
are you dear central british columbia central british columbia on the international line okay okay um the earthquake down in vancouver yes was not in fact an earthquake it was in fact three earthquakes spread over the course of four days but the significant one was 4.6 and the others were in the two scale they're not the significant one was the first one because it's been months since there was any kind of a shakedown there at all well um yeah there's a trend beginning to emerge here in other words Columbia
California, British Columbia.
I'm beginning to see a trend.
How about you?
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Well, I'm thinking Alaska next.
And I'm thinking I'm real glad I live on the other side of the coast range, to be honest with you.
And I think what they're planning on doing with all the National Guards that they're training right now is they're planning on, when things start crashing January 1st, is they want to install martial law.
spread out from the big cities in the United States you might be right well Clinton's been trying and even when he was governor of Arkansas he was trying to get rid of but you see there might actually be a reason to have some form of martial law if anarchy begins to you know rear its ugly head another where do you live Bend Oregon Bend, Oregon.
Well, you wouldn't think there'd be riots in Bend, Oregon.
But I mean, if there were people roaming through the streets of Bend, Oregon, stealing food, raping and pillaging, would you be in favor of the National Guard coming in to stop it?
That is why FEMA has plans in place to deal with something of that magnitude.
Now, I wouldn't complain about that.
Now, you are speculating on the misuse of a plan of that sort, and I can understand that.
But, I mean, things could get out of control, and if they did, it is the job, the mission of government to provide for the safety and welfare of the people it serves.
What am I saying?
And to not have plans in place, should something like that develop, would be to not be doing their job.
Well, my husband has got a theory that he explained to me.
I wanted to run it by you.
And I also have one other comment to make and see what you think about this.
You know how the jet stream is like thousands of kilometers long and hundreds of kilometers wide, but only a few kilometers thick.
Do you think that perhaps they are spraying this web type substance to use as a dragnet in some way to deflect the jet stream and cause the change in pressures so that those tornadoes and all that other things occur?
And do you think that whatever chemical they're using for that, for lack of a better word, a dragnet type situation is what's making people sick like that?
We really began a firestorm last night with that program, believe me.
And there's going to be a follow-up to it.
I've got many newspaper articles that have been sent to me today, legit mainstream newspaper articles talking about mysterious spider web-like material falling from the sky.
You refer to Ed Dames, who is going to be on the show this Friday.
Coming up, you don't want to miss that.
Ed Dames, this Friday.
The Ed Dames case is becoming really intriguing.
Ed is in Hawaii.
I spoke to his wife, who is concerned for him.
And perhaps with some cause, I talked to Ed and perhaps some of you don't recall, but Ed is a remote viewer, has a company called SciTech, and has set out to remote view Satan.
Satan.
No.
The one with the...
Keith is about as deep in red evil eyes as poor Friedrich was in the elephant's excrement.
And so there will be an entire page of red evil eyes.
We got going on this.
We had a call, I think, in the first hour last night about Freemasonry as usual and the evil eye.
And some guy was telling me how I had the evil eye on my website.
Well, I don't know whether I have or not, but when you see how many evil eyes we have on my website soon, we will have the largest evil eye collection in the world, all in one place.
Keith is putting these eyeballs together as we speak.
If we release the fungus to kill all the hemp, my Canadian friend there thinks that Canada will release a fungus to destroy all the oranges in Florida, which would leave us dependent on California.
But what if it got all the oranges in California, too?
Terminator stuff.
Anyway, stay tuned.
That's what's coming up next, the Terminator Seed Technology.
Good luck.
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
I can't stay alive without your love.
Oh, baby, don't leave me this way.
I can't exist.
I'll surely miss your tender kiss.
Don't leave me this way.
Oh, baby, my heart is full of love.
I did love you.
Now go down and do what you gotta do.
You started this fire down in my soul.
Now can't you see it?
Autism.
You started this fire down in my soul.
You are listening to Arch Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
Last March, the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Delta and Pine Land Company announced that they had jointly developed a technique for altering the genetic structure of a plant.
Listen now, so the seeds it produces will be sterile.
This terminator technology will prevent farmers and gardeners from saving seeds for next season.
Instead, they will be forced to buy new seeds every year, giving seed companies complete control over our food supply.
The technique is being introduced now into staple crops such as wheat, rice, and cotton, but it can and eventually will be used on food crops of all kinds.
That's a brief definition of Terminator seed technology, and I got that from another source, but I had a very hard time finding anybody to talk about this.
Who I did find is Patrick Roy Mooney, and he's not in this country.
He's in Canada, up in Winnipeg.
and so in a moment that's exactly who we're going to talk about and we're going to ask what the hell's going on Get a new view of the world with Coast to Coast AM.
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I want to talk with you a little bit about 2012.
We're getting close to this December 21st date.
What is your take on it?
At a certain point, a preponderance of consciousness can tip the balance and shift the entire course of history.
The sequence of events that we're about to experience is like an intervention that's going to start to reverse some of the negative events that have been so dominating our lives and we need to not succumb to fear.
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
That's the Rule Advancement Foundation International.
For more than a quarter century, Pat Mooney has worked as an NGO activist, I'm going to have to ask what that is, on international environmental and developmental issues related to substantial agriculture and biodiversity.
Born in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada, he's lived most of his life on the Canadian prairies, but his work has kept him traveling constantly to every corner of the globe.
Author of several books and a much-sought speaker on the politics of biotechnology and biodiversity, Mooney has won the Right Livelihood Award from the Swedish Parliament.
Wow, that's the alternative Nobel Prize.
And the American Giraffe Award given to people who stick their necks way out.
For some years now, he has been ranked in a number of European magazines as one of the world's top 100 environmentalists.
He's also known within Canada for community development, for his pioneering work with the Miles for Millions marches of the 60s, the Provincial Matching Grants Drive of the 70s, the campaigns to conserve crop plant genetic resources in the 80s.
Internationally, Pat is known for his original work in organizing South and North NGO lobbies in the UN in the 70s, and his work, of course, with genetic resources, biodiversity, and biotechnology.
Since then, here he is from Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Patrick, welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Patrick, what does NGO stand for?
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Oh, non-governmental organization.
It just means I think in the United States you more often call them private sector.
Canada and America are, we share so much, and yet occasionally in speech there has to be a little bit of translation even with Canadians like yourself.
I began to get a lot of faxes, a lot of email about this Terminator seed technology.
Well, Let me back up from there.
It was announced a short while ago that the United States was going to produce a fungus, which apparently already has been produced, that would wipe out hemp plants, I guess, worldwide.
I mean, just flat do away with them.
You know, the war on drugs, right?
And we have some evidence it's already been released.
And I don't know if you heard the last hour before you were on, in fact, just before you were on, but a fellow Canadian of yours called up and said, you know, we can grow hemp legally in Canada, or we're about to be or something.
And if you guys release this and it gets our hemp, we're going to make something up and release it and kill oranges in Florida.
It's a threat.
So I guess before we move on to Terminator technology, I would like to just ask your view, Pat, on the concept, the idea of killing off an entire species of plant on the planet.
Is that really such a good idea?
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No, it's not.
I mean, near where I live here in Canada, in fact, we're growing hemp this year for the first time, and it's being grown for the cordage, you know, for the fact that it makes good rope and it also has medicinal purposes beyond that, which are very carefully governed in Canada.
Mind you, we have to say that the chance of any particular fungus actually killing off an entire species worldwide is hard to do.
You're crossing an awful lot of different climatic conditions and a few oceans and mountain ranges and everything else, and the chances of a fungus actually successfully doing that around the world are low.
For the sake of conversation, say it could be done.
You could actually eliminate an entire species.
Somehow, it just seems like it's a crime against Mother Nature.
And Mother Nature does not get angry, she gets even.
And somehow I think she would get even.
Do you have that same feeling?
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Yeah, I think we don't know enough about transgenic species or genetically modified organisms that we're creating now through biotechnology.
We don't know what the impact will be on nature itself, whether in fact that kind of a fungus, for example, would spread from hemp to something else, to corn or to wheat.
All of that said, I just wanted to get your view of the thing, and mine is that we're out of our blanking minds.
But then comes the Terminator seed technology.
Now, of all, there may be something about this that I don't understand.
But of all the things I've heard in my entire life, making basic wheat, barley, and so forth sterile so no seeds can be used to plant new crops, you know, I think that sounds a little insane to me, but maybe there's something I don't know.
What is it I don't understand about this that would make it sane?
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Well, if you don't know it, I don't know it either.
The logic for the company, of course, or the owner of the patent in this case, is that it sort of activates their greed gene, I suppose.
What it means is that the company could force farmers back to the market every time they want to plant something.
And so that increases sales by anywhere from four or five times what it would be normally, and the seed itself can cost usually two to three times more than it would.
Well, how many Canadian and American farmers use seed from one year's crop to plant the next?
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Depends on the crop.
If you're talking about hybrids, for example, farmers in the stage growing hybrid corn, they tend not to save the seed, they tend to buy it every year.
In theory, at least, a hybrid is something where you've got two quite different strains of corn that have been crossed that would not cross easily otherwise.
In order to get the hybrid vigor that results from that, you lose the opportunity to save seed that will really grow generation after generation exactly the same way.
So you tend to go back to the marketplace every year to buy new seed.
But you get something for it.
In the case of the Terminator, you get no agronomic benefit whatsoever.
It simply is there to prevent you from being able to save seed.
In other words, what would happen is, let's go back and see what we're really talking about here.
Let's talk about wheat for a second.
Very important.
Wheat is very important.
Now, you would buy your seeds from a company like Monsanto, for example, and you would plant your seeds, and your wheat crop would come zooming up.
You would harvest the crop, and any seeds that came with that crop that you tried to plant, not a damn thing would come out of the ground.
They would be sterile.
They could not germinate.
Is that correct?
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That's right.
Before Montsato sells you the seed, as a theoretical example, they would, at the moment, one of their patents at least, would have them soak the seed in an antibiotic called tetracycline.
And that tetracycline would remain with the seed so that just at the point where that plant was about to develop new seed, it would kick in a series of exotic genes that are brought in from other species that would actually create sterility in the seed.
Well, yeah, but they're not going to be out of pocket.
They're going to do quite well that way if this technology is allowed finally into the marketplace.
Since we talked about this a few days ago even, just you and I, We found not just that there are patents held by Monsanto, for example, together with the U.S. government, also a patent held by a U.K. company, but there are now, in fact, 34 other patents that are either granted or pending, and they're being held by each one of the major sort of multinational agricultural chemical companies.
Well, they've been improving their arguments as the months go by since the first patent was granted.
But initially, their argument was that this was a kind of a platform technology, that companies that had invented different genetic traits for yield or crop-hardiness or disease resistance or something, would feel safe in loading their sort of patented technologies onto this kind of a seed because they knew that farmers couldn't save it.
And so that would be a stimulus to investment in further scientific research.
That if farmers could save the seed every year, so they didn't have to come to the marketplace except for when they changed plant varieties, then companies wouldn't feel like they could invest that kind of money.
They've also added to that the argument that with some crops under some conditions, just around harvest time, a seed, like in wheat or something, might tend to sprout and the seed would start to grow itself in the plant.
And when that happens, there is a loss in the scalability of the climate.
This involves about a quarter of the population of the earth.
A quarter of the population of the earth depends on saved seeds for their next crop.
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If they can't do that, they're going to be hungry.
And they have to be able to then, if this thing spreads, and especially if it goes wrong, then they're going to find themselves unable to save their seed and unable to do their own plant breeding, and they'll be in the cities instead of in the countryside.
Yeah, I know, but a lot of these people can't afford to buy seed year after year, so they depend on the saved seed.
We just talked about that.
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Sure, but I don't want to defend the company in this case, but the company would come back and argue and say, well, they don't have to.
They'll just keep on using their traditional varieties of seed that they've always used, and they won't be involved with the Terminator.
And that's fine in theory that they would be isolated from the Terminator, but they don't buy it ever.
But in reality, what happens is that most of these people, in fact, don't own their own land.
Often the landlord insists upon what they grow and will force them to grow what the landlord considers to be the highest yielding seed.
That may well be the Terminator.
It's also the case that in some poor countries, before they can have access to credit as farmers, they have to go along with what the government recommends.
The government may mistakenly say that they think that the latest breaking sort of new technology is Terminator technology because that's got these new sort of genetic traits that are loaded onto it.
It's got all the hype of biotech around it.
And so they force farmers who want to have credit, want to have access to irrigation, for example, will have to use Terminator Seed and show that they've actually bought the seed.
So you can imagine that poor farmers will feel driven to use the seeds and then won't be able to maintain the purchases year after year.
In other words, are there dangers that they may not have calculated in trying to produce this terminator technology?
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One of the dangers is that the terminator sequence, what we call the suicide sequence of genes that are in the seed, could spread through the pollen of the plant to other fields so that a farmer who didn't buy the seed could...
So now you're saying that one farmer A who's using the Terminator technology seed for whatever good reason he thinks could have that antibiotic spread to another farmer's field adjacent to it by pollination?
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It's possible.
I mean the companies don't come out and say that it won't happen.
They say that they think it's highly unlikely that it would happen and that they're doing further research to ensure that it won't happen.
But let's say it does.
This is a new technology.
We don't know how it's going to work.
We don't know all the implications of it.
If it did happen, then the adjacent farmer who never planned to use the terminator would suddenly find one bright spring morning that nothing was growing.
When he planted the seed the following spring, there would be nothing there.
And of course, if it also leaks from a cultivated field to cross with wild species in the forests or on the roadside, then you could suddenly find that this terminator quality is in all kinds of things we don't want to be in.
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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Well, as a matter of fact, let me read you what I've got from Terminator Seed Technology Threatens Farmers Worldwide, the story I've got it here.
It says, it is dangerous.
There is a serious risk that in the open field, Terminator-grown crops could infect other crops, causing crop sterilization across vast areas.
In fact, a recent study at the University of Chicago indicates that genetically altered plants are, listen to me now, 20 times, 20 times more likely to, quote, outcross, end quote, than naturally grown plants.
If this happens, the result could be famine on a scale never seen in human history.
Once again, Pat Mooney, is that roughly accurate, Pat?
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Well, it is a serious risk.
Whether it'll happen or not, we don't know.
We just know it's not worth taking the risk because we're not getting anything for it.
You don't get anything beneficial because you grow terminator seed.
just get to pay more and now you get to add the risk of food security.
I'm closer to computers, to be honest with you, Pat.
But pollination, if I recall correctly, the old birds and bees speech, pollination is bees or other insects that take pollen from one place to another, correct?
Well, they've only worked on insects, I think, so far, but their patent believes that there's no reason why it wouldn't work with higher-order species like ourselves as well.
I mean, supposing it worked on mammals, to accomplish what, Pat?
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Well, for medical purposes, there could be reasons to do it.
In the case of insects, which is their primary target at this stage, it is to infect the larvae of a pest insect of some kind, bull weevils, for example, in cotton or something.
And knowing that as the weevils mature and multiply, a certain virus would be spread to all of the other insects, then they could then later spray their fields with almost anything, and whatever they've chosen to be the sort of the target spray, and the insects would die.
And so in a sense, that's kind of useful.
It could be seen to be beneficial for the farmers to be able to use a relatively benign crop spray of some kind that would kill off an insect pest.
What worries us is, again, what happens if that spreads to other species?
My mom always told me ladybugs were beneficial somehow.
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Yeah, there are many like that.
And so you don't want to kill off all insects, of course.
And whether or not, again, this is a technology that would stay safely with inside the target species of insect or it would spread to other insects, whether it would get into mosquitoes, mosquitoes would get to us, who knows?
So then, again, I'm asking I know dumb questions, but isn't it reasonable to at least guess that an insect that would draw from one of these Terminator plants would in some way itself be affected?
But see, there's a lot about this that we don't seem to know.
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Sure, exactly.
And again, you can argue that in some cases, if you're doing medical research and what you're developing is something which you may have great benefit for humanity, then you say maybe at a certain point you take a bit of a risk because the risk level is low.
But if there really is no benefit, there's no upside, no plus to doing this, then why use the technology at all?
Why risk infecting the world with terminated technology if in fact there really isn't a benefit to it all?
I guess their case would be made, you know, there are people who make movies, right?
Movies are very expensive to make.
And you've got to recover money at the box office, then you've got to recover money at HBO level at the pay level, pay TV, and then HBO, and then finally the rental market.
And, of course, they don't want these movies copied.
So they put some kind of copy guard on them so that it makes it impossible to copy them.
Isn't that kind of a good parallel?
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It is.
There is a parallel to that.
There's two differences perhaps in all of this.
One is that you can live without watching that movie, but you can't live without food.
And the second is that farmers, in fact, have historically around the world, including Monsanto, used seed that they receive from others as a source of further plant breeding.
People always take each other's seeds, and then they cross it with them to develop additional varieties or new and improved varieties.
With Terminator, you suddenly stopped all of that.
The moment we read the patent, we thought, oh, that's Terminator.
In fact, I noticed the other day that Monsanto itself is even using that term now.
Not happily, but they...
Yep.
They call it the so-called Terminator, and they're not happy, but they really can't avoid it, because that is how it's known around the world.
I was in Zimbabwe a few weeks back and debating Monsanto, in fact, in that country, and their company officials were calling it the Terminator themselves.
You guys are the most laid-back group of people I know.
However, even in your laid-back style, your case is awfully strong, and your case really is, look, it might be worth taking a chance if there was some huge benefit to mankind, you know, suddenly be rid of cancer or some terrible plague upon us would be lifted, then you might take a chance with something that could harm all of humanity.
You might.
But in the case of the Terminator Seed technology, where is for humanity, not Monsanto, not companies, but humanity, where is the upside?
First of all, the main patent that's been granted, which is the one that's shared between the U.S. Department of Agriculture and Monsanto, the two bodies have to negotiate with each other over that.
They've got to sort out the actual final ownership of the patent.
We're saying that the U.S. Department of Agriculture should not let go of the patent of Monsanto.
In fact, they should mothball the technology.
And that's up to the U.S. government to decide that over the next few weeks, in fact.
We're asking people to write letters to Dan Glickman, the Secretary of Agriculture, and tell him mothball the technology.
And if people want more information on exactly how that works, and they are on to the Internet, they can go to our homepage at www.rafierafi.org.
And there's a sample letter there, and you can actually just write your own letter and click it straight to that.
I mean, the possibility of this going wrong, particularly if there are if it's not just the U.S. or Canada involved, but if it's 20 different countries, doesn't that raise the odds of something going wrong and this thing beginning to spread, somebody making one mistake?
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It certainly does.
We estimate this past year around the world, there were something like 28 million hectares or about 75 million acres of land that were sold to transgenic seeds around the world.
These are seeds, again, that have a foreign gene put into them that wouldn't be there otherwise.
All of that land will be turned over to Terminator technology the moment this technology gets into the marketplace.
Every company that develops transgenic crops will be developing it with a Terminator platform attached to it.
And that's spreading like wildfire.
I mean, the estimates are that about 80% of all commercial seed will be Terminator seed by about the year 2010.
Wow.
That's worldwide.
So the chances then of that actually causing problems or something happening, whether it's in India or Zimbabwe or Brazil, the chances increasing enormously.
So this is sort of a joint thing between the U.S. Department of Agriculture and Monsanto and many other companies and similar departments or I don't know, up in Canada you don't have departments, you have ministries, yes.
What about Canada?
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Well, no, the only government that we know that's been directly involved in developing the Terminator has been the U.S. government.
And to his own surprise, though, I must say, we were told by senior officials in the Department of Agriculture there in Washington that the first time they ever heard of the Terminator and knew that it was being developed was when they read our news releases about it.
Why is it that I have got to go all the way to where you are in Canada, not that I mind, to get somebody to come on the air and talk about Terminator technology?
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I'm not sure.
I know the companies certainly aren't anxious to talk about it.
They've been fairly happy until now that they've been able to let Monsanto take the heat for it with the U.S. government, while they themselves have been going quietly about the business of developing their own versions of it and getting their own patents.
You can damn well believe there's a specific reason for that, and you know if I told you, I'd have to kill you.
So if you want to see the evil eye collection, it's there right now.
33 very, very evil eyes.
And by the way, we did give credit to those who sent them in.
Thank you.
They are the 33 evil eyes of Belle.
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Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up.
But I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
All right, for now, it's back up to, all the way up to Canada, Manitoba, I think.
I wrote that down somewhere.
Manitoba.
No, Winnipeg, Manitoba.
And I'm going to have to get used to Canadian geography.
I'm learning, but it's a slow, long process.
It's an amazing thing, you know, Pat.
We live in adjacent countries with so much in common, and a lot of Americans don't know a damn thing about Canada.
I know that, yeah.
I mean, here you are right next to us, and we know so very little about you, and yet it's my understanding that our culture, as well as our Terminator seeds, may well infect your nation, your culture.
Well, actually, isn't that what they're trying to do here, Pat?
Improve on nature, supposedly?
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Yeah.
The tomato example is an interesting one because, in fact, they bought the company that was developing what is often called the flavor-savor tomato, F-L-A-V-R-S-A-V-R.
I know, but that doesn't exactly hit New York and L.A. and Chicago, you know?
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Well, I would encourage you to try, because I know they've been pulling in their horns most recently, and they issued us a press statement a couple of days ago, in fact, saying that they weren't going to pursue actively this particular patent that they have with the U.S. government.
But, of course, we found that one of the reasons why they may not pursue that patent, which has got a lot of attention, is because they have other patents in the pipeline that do exactly the same thing.
Hey, I have two quick questions for you, and I'll ask one at a time.
Let's say some, or let's hope not very many of the countries go the way of the Terminator seed.
I think it'd be a terrible mistake, as I'm sure you do.
But obviously, as stated before, that the person that controls the food, of course, is the king.
He sits on top of the world.
A country, let's say, that doesn't agree to go with the seed, couldn't insects or a type of pollen be planted in these countries, forcing them to comply or perish as a worst-case scenario?
Well, yeah, biological warfare is that that can happen with or without the Terminator.
There's an awful lot of trade pressures being applied to different countries around the world because of the World Trade Agreement.
And so I'm not sure the Terminator is a deciding factor in all of that.
One of the concerns about Terminator is that the latest generation of the technology is one in which the seed, the suicide sequence, can be activated sort of long distance, be activated by the use of different herbicides or even fertilizers.
And that really worries us because the companies have moved from having a cost themselves of sort of soaking the seed in this antibiotic tetracycline, being able to have the farmers sort of get the hairy carry in the field by spraying the seed with herbicides and causing the suicide sequence.
Also, Patrick, taking it to me, this would seem like more of a more subtle form of biological warfare.
Couldn't an idiot like Saddam Hussein use this to wreak havoc on some of his weaker neighbors, or somebody like him, if he and Case got a hold of this seed?
And as you had said, there's a lot of countries in this world that couldn't afford, the farmers couldn't afford to purchase the seed each year.
What he actually said was quite specific, that 1.4 billion people on the planet, that would be about one in four, rely on saved seed, period.
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But the ability to use this to cause deliberate havoc is there for sure, because, I mean, even look at it the other way around, look at it if the United States has an enemy and it exports food aid shipments to Iraq, which are allowed, and the food aid shipments contain the Terminator seed in it.
Farmers often will take food aid shipments because it's grain, eh?
Grain is seed.
And if they're short of seed, they'll actually plant the food aid shipment in their fields.
The lady makes an incredibly good point, and doctors dispense it at the drop of a hat, virtually at request.
They dispense antibiotics.
unidentified
Well, there's good news and bad news to that, though.
The good news is that really tetracycline was probably used by most of the companies in developing their patents because it's a very well-known chemical, so it's easy to work with in the laboratory rather than to use it in the field.
They probably won't really want to use it very extensively in the field if at all.
The bad news is that what they really want you to do is, for example, in the case of Roundup as the herbicide that Monsanto has, is Monsanto wants the whole suicide sequence to be activated by Roundup spray.
And so instead of worrying about tetracycline, what you've got to worry about is derivatives of agent orange in the field or something like that.
And there's even the possibility that the soil itself could be sterilized?
unidentified
With the tetracycline, that would be the issue.
But again, I don't think we really improve the situation a whole lot by encouraging the increased use of herbicides or insecticides as the conveyor of the sort of suicide promoter.
Pat, a lot of people listening this morning are going to be absolutely horrified.
Why is it that Art Bell has to have Pat Mooney on from Canada to tell the American people about something that's going on right under their noses?
unidentified
Well, again, when the first patent was granted, the press release that came from the U.S. government was that this was aimed at protecting U.S. export markets overseas.
That the target for the technology was really farmers in third world countries who would otherwise save seed and would steal U.S. technology because they saved seed.
So then, let's say they didn't use tetracycline, though that's in the patent, what would they likely use instead?
unidentified
Well, again, a herbicide.
If it's Monsanto, they have a patented herbicide called Roundup.
If they can attach the sort of promoter that is sort of the trigger for the suicide sequence to Roundup herbicide, they'd rather do that.
They make more money that way.
They transfer the cost to the farmer rather than having it at their cost.
And they can encourage farmers to use more of the herbicide that way.
And every other company that's involved in this is approaching it from the same angle, kind of.
But in some of the work that's been done, they're claiming that they could almost decide that anything will trigger the, anything they want to will trigger the suicide sequence.
So it could be a bright sunny day, it could be rain, it could be atmospheric conditions of some kind.
Nevertheless, it seemed to poison the hemp plant so that people who would smoke it would get sick.
At least that's what a lot of people said.
And of course it destroyed apparently a lot of crops in Mexico, I guess.
Well, all right, Pat, hold on.
We'll do another segment.
At least we're learning what this Terminator seed technology is all about.
And though we have Pat on, who represents one side of the argument, I have yet to discern the other side of the argument other than a corporate profit, perhaps at the expense of 1.4 billion people who rely on saved seed.
And that's if everything goes okay.
If everything goes wrong, sterile earth, sterile plants, goodbye weeds, goodbye trees, goodbye green stuff from the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Hey, Pat, are these seeds, now, are they going to be chemically treated or are they cross-bred hybrids?
I'm not clear on that.
They're not hybrids, although some of the patents that have been developed by Pioneer Hybrid, for example, one of the major seed companies, in fact, linked a terminator to a hybrid.
But no, they're seed.
The terminator has to be activated by an external chemical.
Okay, so are they going to have warning labels on these packets when you buy them?
We're way down the you know, a long way from that sort of stage of the discussion, frankly.
They estimate they won't get the seeds into the commercial marketplace until any sooner than 2003.
That's really around the corner.
Oh, yeah, it's not long.
No, because, you know, you plant the garden and you plant in your backyard your little, you know, your little plot.
You know not to grow your zucchini next to your pumpkins because you're going to get some weird tasting fruit.
So now what are we going to be able to trust?
Yeah, no, there are a lot of concerns.
Frankly, we think that the seeds should be if they're if they're sold at all, we hope they won't be, they should be labeled as as being damaged goods because they don't do what seeds normally do, which is uh reproduce.
So, okay, no it shouldn't really be called seeds.
It should be called something else, but not seeds.
Okay, so there's nothing really that we can do.
Sure, I think you can.
And I I'd I'd certainly uh send a message to the to your own uh uh federal representatives.
I guess you're a congressman and senator in the state and the and the secretary of agriculture.
Well, are you familiar with California?
We have this chemical in our gas called MTBE.
It's poisoning everybody.
We've been screwing about it for three years up here in the Bay Area.
We can't do anything here.
Yeah.
No, and in fact you guys have pushed it on to us in Canada too.
Through the North American Free Trade Agreement we're being forced to accept it even though we don't want it.
The MTBE?
Yeah.
Well they banned it in two states I believe in in the States here.
Yeah.
I mean is there going to be some kind of a civil action or some kind of a legal thing, group of people to protest this?
I mean I don't think the Sierra Club's going to go that far.
Well they might.
There's certainly growing opposition to it.
I've been amazed.
I've been in this kind of work for about 30 years and I've never seen a stronger reaction to something, against something, than I have to the Terminator.
Including from the U.S. government itself, I must say, that we've had overtures from very senior officials in the Department of Agriculture, very close to the Secretary, who've asked us to come to meetings now to talk about it.
And for those of you who would like to read about the Terminator Seed Technology, Pat Mooney's website is a place you can get to it through mine right now if you wish.
You can also see the 33 Evil Eyes while you're there.
Anyway, just go on my website, scroll down to Pat Mooney's name, click on the website connection, and do some reading.
You may be moved to, you know, I'm kind of against letters, form letters, Pat, because they tend to have not too much effect.
So my advice to my audience would be take your letter and modify it a bit and send it.
unidentified
Exactly.
And we encourage that, in fact, and people should do that.
Now, he's saying, kill the crops that turn into heroin or into cocaine or naturally grow up like pot, hemplants, or whatever.
Why go after food first?
unidentified
Yeah, well, I guess that's a good point, but it's, I mean, they can go after everything.
The companies that have got patents on this are not exclusive in what they say they will go after.
But, of course, it's easier to talk about developing this as a benefit to humanity in one way or another for rice or wheat or major crops like that, soybeans.
Kind of made me think a lot of countries use hemp around the world, including China, which would probably be more equipped to maybe start a war.
You know, that kind of gives you a little thought to think about there.
They use quite a bit of hemp over there for different things, you know, clothes and ink and paper and things.
But the main thing, the concern about this Terminator thing, with getting seeds from a few limited sources, you know, I mean, I'm sure they're going to control, you know, maybe have to have a plant that grows a seed that will repopulate itself so they can keep their sources.
You know, what's going to happen if a disease hits that, a really resistant disease, and or a mutation that alters the seed, you know, to make it maybe dangerous or poisonous.
You know, that could be even a terrorist attack.
I mean, since, you know.
Sure, absolutely.
Anybody in the world out there could cook something up.
I mean, the companies have to multiply the seed themselves before they can sell it to people.
And so there has to be some seed that's being grown.
And these days, a lot of that seed is grown, in fact, in quite remote parts of the world, places like Chile or Tanzania or New Zealand or Mexico, sometimes opposite sort of regions from the north kind of where there's an alternative growing season kind of to ours.
And they ship that seed up here.
If something happened to the crop down there, diseases affected it there, then our food supply is even more threatened.
The seed is the first link in the food chain.
If you control the seed, you control the food chain.
I mean, it comes out so simply, but it has such big meaning.
You control the seed, you control the food chain, you control the world.
That's the way I'd put it.
All right.
Haller, anything else?
unidentified
Yes.
Well, I was just kind of like talking about the gentleman before.
I really urge everybody to make some effort to speak out about this and kind of stop it in its tracks as much as possible.
Because what happens if say this would have happened a few years ago and Y2K hits and government collapses and economy, and then who's going to give us a seat?
What I want to tell you is what y'all are talking about right now is kind of like where it's written about two cents for a grain of barley and spare the oil and the wine.
And when it comes to this weather, it seems like even Mother Nature is answering to Father God.
And that little statue that they gave you, your melted candle?
Well, what I was thinking, maybe you could do the first annual Kingdom of Nye Ostrich Award, and you have this ostrich with his head going in the ground, and then have his neck coming up with his head embedded in his tail feathers as the ultimate of one keeping themselves in the dark.
I mean, Pat, what are we doing to ourselves, and why are we doing it to ourselves?
Is it all in the name of the dollar?
I mean, is that the true bottom line?
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
I mean, I have to say that there are some scientists that are involved in this who, I think, genuinely believe that this is, given the kind of world we live in, Paradise Lost, that this is the best way to get new technologies to farmers.
And I really regret that they even can imagine that that's the way it is, but I think there's a genuineness in their feeling on that.
I'm not going to condemn everybody for this, but basically this is dollar-driven.
And frankly, you know, we said this is the first link in the food chain.
I think every culture in the world has something to the effect of saying that the Lord's Prayer kind of thing of give us this day our daily bread.
Well, you know, that should not be a prayer to Monsanto.
That should not be a prayer to a multinational corporation for our food supply.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Pat Mooney in Canada.
unidentified
Well, yes, good evening.
Early good morning, I should say.
Thanks for taking my call.
I heard Dr. Van Dan Shiva speak up in Canada, and she said that the Manaseno, she's a national, I mean, international-known physicist, and she said that Manaseno wanted to own the essence of life, and that's what this was about.
And she had urged people who live in cities and every place to start collecting seeds.
And one of the things that she said was that even though people were dying with the famine, they always saved the seeds because the seeds was the essence of life.
Because there's, I mean, in the United States, you've got two or three major organizations that can do something about this, in fact, that are saving seed and are sort of providing long-term protection for seed diversity in the United States.
One of them is in Tecora, Iowa.
It's called the Seed Savers Exchange.
It's got a long quarter-century history, in fact, and it's a remarkably effective voluntary organization, a network of about 10,000 farmers and backyard gardeners who keep maintaining seeds of traditional varieties and keeping them alive and exchanging them.
And I'd really recommend that people who are concerned about this go to the Seed Savers Exchange and help them to save those traditional varieties.
Well, only you know that for certain, but it sounds to me like it's you.
unidentified
Well, this is Becky.
I'm in Indiana, and I'm thinking about, I'm hearing about this Terminator seed and how one of the worst things that could happen is that it could make all the plants commit suicide.
And I'm making kind of a scary association in my mind.
Do you remember a show you had sometime last year?
I don't remember when, the lady's last name was Ocean, and she was talking about dolphins.
She said something about they emitted a sound or a vibration that when she was swimming with them seemed to take her in time to the future when the world, I guess she said it was devoid of plants and people were talking about trying to figure out how to grow food underground.
That's right.
And I'm just making that association and it's kind of scary.
I actually have a little story that I think I can tell you that goes along with this song, and it's a true story, by the way.
So here it comes.
When I got out of the Air Force, I did briefly come across the country to see my family before returning to the Far East.
I spent a long time in the Far East.
And when I got home, I went actually was with my dad at that time in New Jersey.
And we lived in Newark, New Jersey.
Newark, New Jersey, some time ago was not exactly the ideal place to live.
And I worked in Nutley, New Jersey for IT.
You know, ITNT International Telephone and Telegraph.
And I was doing microwave work for them.
We were building, it was a wonderful cost-plus communication van being designed for NATO.
And I was doing a lot of microwave work.
Anyway, this was, I didn't have a car yet.
So I had to take a bus every day from Newark to Nutley.
And I will never, I will never, ever forget for as long as I live, it was a cold winter day, a very, very, very, very cold winter day, as a matter of fact.
And I was in a rotten mood, and I was on my way to work, and I was in a phone booth.
And I was in the phone booth because it was so damn cold outside.
The snow was driving.
Now, no offense, because a lot of you I know live in snow country and love it, but I hate snow.
I hate it.
I don't like sloshing through it.
I don't like it falling.
I don't like driving through it.
I don't like snow.
And it was cold.
And here I was, shivering in this phone booth, and I had a little transistor radio with me.
This is a true story.
And what should come on the radio but this?
It's all on the L.A. And I've got to tell you, that was the exact incident.
I said, go ru this, and I quit.
And I went to California and then I went back to the Far East.
And that's a true story.
That day, I quit, and this song inspired me to do it.
I said, I'm out of here.
I can't handle it no more.
That's it.
I quit.
And I really did.
That day, I never went into work.
I went home.
I packed, and I left for California.
Now, as you know, we have 33 evil eyes on my website now.
And here's a grandmother from St. Louis who writes, Art, I thought number 10 was bad until I saw number 25.
28 is really cool.
So there you are.
That's from Easy Grandma in St. Louis home of the Cardinals, Blues, and Tonight the Pope.
Wonder if he's listening.
Wonder if he's considering the new rules that have come from the Vatican about exorcism and the reasons for exorcism, because he is, after all, going to meet with our president, right?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Call the wildcard lines, area 702-727-1295.
I'm going to have to beat that out.
Our little cardinal rule is no last names on the air, except when I'm on Millennium.
Now, so turn your radio off and we'll try it again.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999.
You know, proving that kind of thing, it's like trying to prove the golf syndrome.
I don't know.
You know, my guest last night said that.
How are we going to prove it?
If they really have come up with this stuff that comes down and then dissipates so you can't even get a sample of the damn stuff, what are you going to do?
I don't know.
You can bet we're going to have him on again soon.
On the international...
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Yeah, Eric, got a question for you.
Why are we all sitting here discussing the cover story on the seed problem instead of what's really going on?
Federal government gives out seed and food all over the world, doesn't it?
Yes, and they're sitting there and they're turning around and they're saying this poor country had a flood and they don't have any food to feed their people.
But how does it prevent a kid from going someplace where a kid ought not go?
unidentified
Because you create browsers that only deal with kidnap, and you set up a system where they voluntarily only go to other kidnap locations than no others.
Well, that's kind of an okay idea, but you know...
Okay, but I'm going to tell you what I think is wrong with that idea.
Here's what I think is wrong.
I think it's well-intentioned.
But the internet is the world's greatest single resource.
Remember the old days when there were encyclopedia salesmen?
I don't even know if we've still got encyclopedia salesmen in the world.
I haven't seen one knock on my door in years.
Of course, I got a big fence now.
But they used to knock on your door, you know, and the world of knowledge.
Well, right now, the world of knowledge is actually on the internet, along with a bunch of bad stuff.
But there's a world of knowledge out there.
So I don't know that you would want to restrict a kid to a kid's net, per se, because you would be, in effect, locking out that world of knowledge if you would only send them to kids' sites.
So, you know, it's well-intentioned, but I don't think that's the right approach.
That's my opinion.
Good idea, bad way to go about it.
What a world today, huh?
Strange world.
unidentified
This is Premiere Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this, somewhere in Time.
Just like an old-time movie about a ghost drummer wish him well in a castle dark or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet.
You know that ghost is me.
And I will never be set free.
As long as I'm a ghost you can see if I could read your mind, love what a tale your thoughts could tell.
Just like a paperback, the kind of drug.
I'm just beginning to see now I'm on my way.
It doesn't matter to me chasing the flowers away to me.
The trees are joyous.
I've got to find out why the gentle voices I hear explain it all with a sigh.
I...
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 26, 1999, Art Bell has 33 evil eyes on his website.
It has been pointed out to me that in addition to my 33 evil eyes, now information that when the Pope dies, who is now in St. Louis, there will be a committee of, guess what, 33 people to vote on who the new Pope will be.
This is not to mention the 33 cent stamp, the 33rd Super Bowl, and of course I can't relate any information at all about the Masons.
Hello there on the wild card line, you're on the air.
One of the most important features of life in our modern era is presently easy communications over very long distances.
As a matter of fact, we take it for granted.
The ability to pick up the phone, right?
I do it all the time, or log on to the internet, communicate with anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Unfortunately, this essential ability to communicate freely with others is in grave danger because of the Y2K bug.
The telephone network, the internet, and all other means of communication that we normally rely upon to communicate with people in distant locations are at grave risk due to their dependence, whether direct or indirect, on the power grid, as well as their internal vulnerabilities to the Y2K bug itself.
However, there is one means of communication over long distances that is not dependent on any outside services, like the power grid, where the telephone system can be operated by individuals without going through any other intermediaries.
The amateur radio service.
What amateur radio is in the United States, the FCC grants licenses at no charge to qualified individuals who wish to make use of certain portions of the radio spectrum for their own personal use.
Most other countries have authorities that do the same for their citizens and residents, so most of this discussion obviously is applicable to you even if you live in a country other than the U.S. Although the details do vary.
I was listening to your, I've been listening, you know, last night and tonight and just going, it's time to bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your butt goodbye.
But there was a guy who called in the first hour of my show this morning who threatened us with retaliation for the fungus with regard to the potland, said he was going to kill all our oranges in Florida.
That may well be, but I think I appreciate your call sir, but I think you're wrong.
They at one time did grow marijuana for medicinal use, but I believe that they have stopped that and that they are now making the case that there is no reasonable medicinal use for marijuana and therefore how could they grow it?
And at the same time, oppose states where the majority of the people in the state have voted medicinal use of marijuana for anybody who needs it.
And they have taken the vote away from these people.
Federal judges have ruled these votes to be invalid.
What kind of democracy is that?
It stinks.
You know, the people of a state vote something, whatever it is, assisted suicide in Oregon, whether you like it or hate it.
It was the people who voted it, or the decriminalization or more of marijuana.
If the majority of the people in a state vote it, how can it be in a federal judge's jurisdiction to overrule such a democratic occurrence?
There were other things that I wanted to say, but in regards to your comment on the growing of the marijuana, that sounds naive for you to say that, because there's a lot of things that they tell us they don't do, but they are.
Maybe they're going to charge a 5%.
Anyway, I wanted to tell you something, Art.
On January 5th, I flew down to Phoenix, Arizona to drive my mother back up to Northern California.
20 minutes out of Phoenix, we were listening to a radio station, and they broke in to say that there was something falling out of airplanes all over people's cars and yards and bodies, and it was determined that it was fuel, kerosene.
Well, certainly jets do dump fuel in emergency situations, for example.
They do it over land.
They don't like to, but it can happen.
So it might have been that.
Or on the other hand, it might have been something else entirely.
unidentified
Yeah, because people were calling in and they were livid because they were saying, we are not this stupid that we could not differentiate the difference between, and this is, I was very surprised last night because this is what they were describing.