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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Arvol Looking Horse - Prophecy

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		This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of My.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is that.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Arville Lookinghorse is coming up shortly.
		And let me tell you a little bit about who you're about to hear.
		Arville Lookinghorse was born on the Cheyenne River Reservation in South Dakota in 1954.
		Raised by his grandparents, Lucy and Thomas Lookinghorse, he learned the culture and spiritual ways of the Lakota.
		He speaks both Lakota and English.
		At age 12, he was given the enormous responsibility of becoming the 19th generation keeper of the sacred white buffalo calf pipe, the youngest in history.
		He has felt on many occasions overwhelmed by inheriting such a responsibility of the Lakota, Dakota, and Dakota nations at such a young age.
		He was raised in an era and lay witness to the suppression of his people's spiritual practices.
		He decided to work for change and let the world know how beautiful our way of life is, so the seventh generation can have a better future.
		His life has revolved around his commitment to work toward religious freedom, cultural survival, and revival.
		In 1986, as one of the spiritual leaders of the Bigfoot riders, they initiated a prophecy known as Mending the Sacred Hoop of the Nation.
		Chief Looking Horse honored the healing journey by riding with the Bigfoot riders every December 15th through the 29th in rather severe temperatures, which all the committed Bigfoot riders endured to understand the immensity of the hardship of Chief Bigfoot and his band.
		In 1993, Chief Looking Horse traveled to New York with the elders of different nations for the United Nations Cry of the Earth Conference, where he did the opening prayer.
		That was at the UN.
		The unprecedented nations and people's organizations invited him to Holland, Netherlands, there to pray for peace and unity in 1994.
		The birth of the sacred white buffalo in Wisconsin in 1994 directed him to begin yet another spiritual journey of a four-year commitment to organize World Peace and Prayer Day on June 21st in the four directions, bringing awareness to the prophecies with a call to secure the sacredness of the sacred sites that dwell every 100 miles around Mother Earth.
		There is much more to tell about him coming up in just a few moments.
		Arville Looking Horse.
		Chief Looking Horse also assists in retrieving the remains of the ancestors from museums like the Smithsonian, continues to work toward the repatriation of sacred bundles and human remains in an effort to bring respect and ritual rights back to the sacred.
		His work has been endless in lecturing on religious freedom, protection of sacred sites, and cultural survival.
		His living legacy is to bring pride and restoration back to the Lakota, Dakota, and Dakota lands, culture, and spirituality.
		Here is Chief Marvel Lookinghorse.
		Chief, welcome to the show.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is such an honor to have you here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you now?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Right now, I'm in Duluth, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Duluth, Minnesota.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		I'll be speaking of the universities here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Chief, are you in fact the chief of the why?
		Are you the chief of the Lakota?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am a chief of the Lakota, Lakota, Lakota Nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of three nations.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is all like.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Sioux Nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sioux Nation.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Chief.
		You were given the pipe, the sacred white buffalo camp pipe, at 12 years old.
		Why were you given that at 12?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		The pipe was like it was passed on through generations.
		And in our way, we believe in our ceremonies and we believe in our dreams and visions.
		So that's how that came about when my grandmother, Lucy Lookinghorse, was the next keeper at the time.
		And when she journeyed into the spirit world in 1966, I was the next person because she had a dream that I would be the next keeper.
		And it took my father, my father's name is Danny looking for it.
		And then that's how that came to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you received that pipe because of her vision, her dream?
unidentified		Yes.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		It stays in the bloodline.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		It stays in the bloodline and goes with their dreams that it goes with their ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to you just about an hour before we went on the air, and one of my best friends just died.
		I mean, minutes before I went on the air.
		What do people of your nation believe, chief, about people who pass on, who die?
		What is your spiritual belief about us as spiritual beings?
		What do you think happens to us?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		We go into the spirit world, and one of the seven sacred rites that came with the sacred white buffalo calf pipe is the spirit releasing ceremony.
		And we keep that spirit for one year, and then that's the last of the seven sacred rites.
		So this ceremony is to like, in our way, we keep that spirit for one year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean that you believe that the spirit remains earthbound for one year?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we put it in a little teepee on the teepee.
		Then we keep that it's a whole ceremony that consists of like this the spirit and we believe that the spirit is in our hair.
		So we keep the like when a person dies or goes into the spirit world then we would take some hair and do us good we have to go through a ceremony with this.
		And then the spirit, we have to feed that spirit every day, just like feeding a person.
		And then we do this for a whole year.
		And after one year, we do a spirit releasing ceremony where we would allow that spirit to go into the spirit world.
		And then the people, they would all come together and then honor the family.
		By honoring the family, they would give the family the spirit food, which is like dried meat.
		We say wasna is like spirit food.
		And then cherry juice and water.
		And then the sacred pipe or the pipe.
		With this pipe, then they have a ceremony and then they pray with the family to the four directions, Great Spirit, Mother Earth.
		And then a spiritual leader would talk to the family to let that spirit go into the spirit world.
		And that way, we would feel good inside.
		That's what the spiritual leader would say.
		No, you have to let that spirit go because you can't keep him.
		It's going to like you'll have different feelings.
		So you have to let that spirit go and then you'll feel good.
		Because you've got some children, you got some grandchildren.
		You have to think about them.
		So that's what he would talk to the family with this in mind.
		And then after the whole ceremony and talking to the family, then they would welcome the family back into the Teoshpai, the camp, or the people, so that they would have a good feeling with the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief, I come from a Christian background.
		I'm not a very good Christian.
		I don't go to church.
		I hope that there is a God, a Creator.
		But I'm not sure in my heart, my mind.
		I'm just not completely sure.
		And I have great envy for those who are sure, and they can grab their faith like a pillar, like a strong pillar, and hold on to it at moments like these for me.
		But I don't have that exactly.
		And what do you believe is the nature of the spirit world?
		What is the nature of the spirit world?
		Does this mean that our consciousness, do your people believe that our consciousness continues, that we continue in some form that we understand now, or a completely different form?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		The way we believe is like up there in the sky, it's called the Milky Way.
		And they have to make that journey.
		It's a spiritual journey that they have to make.
		And then for us, like our relatives, that's where the spirit world is, is to journey into the spirit world.
		And that's why, like in our stories and everything that was handed down through the ceremonies, and now we go when we live a spiritual With this teachings of the sacred pipe and the four stages of our life, then the last one is this spiritual journey.
		what are the four stages of our life Our stories and ceremonies goes way back into the first creation.
		So there's a lot of stories that from the first creation to then the four stages of our life is becoming a spirit that comes upon Mother Earth.
		And then the spirit, the family, the father and mother, or a man and a woman, would pray for the spirit to come.
		And then a child would come.
		And then the first stage is a sacred being.
		And the second stage is become a young man or young woman.
		And there's a ceremony that is done at the age of 12 where you become a young man or young woman.
		And the third one is sacrificing yourself to the tree of life, which is the sundance.
		And because we honor this cycle of life, and we are part of the cycle of life.
		And we are part of a spirit of our relatives.
		So before we pray or after we pray, we say, That means all of our relatives.
		so that's the way we believe this cycle of life and we are part of mother nature so then the fourth cycle is So we have to make that journey upon Mother Earth, the four stages.
		As the white buffalo calf woman said, you walk upon Mother Earth in a sacred manner.
		That means that's what she said, that you make this journey upon Mother Earth.
		You're going to do the ceremonies, the four ceremonies.
		And it goes back to the time when she brought the sacred bundle.
		She stopped four times on the hill.
		And each time she rolled over and stood up, she became different.
		The first one is a black buffalo.
		The second one was a red one.
		The third one is yellow.
		And the fourth one is a white one.
		She went over the hill as a white buffalo calf.
		So they call it the Songwei, the white buffalo calf woman.
		But these four stages is our life upon Mother Earth.
		So we make this journey, and this is our spiritual growth as we walk upon Mother Earth.
		We take Changkuluta, this red path, and we have to make that journey.
		So our prayers have to be always forward to do these ceremonies.
		But it's a way of life because we have to go with the four seasons.
		And every day is, we have to thank the Great Spirit, the Creator, and then pray because each breath we take and each heartbeat is a great mystery.
		It's wakah.
		It's sacred.
		So that's our journey as a spirit upon Mother Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you now on that journey?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		I just got done with that sundance.
		I sacrificed myself to the tree of life.
		I sundanced for four years.
		And a long time ago, this white buffalo is a core.
		She brought the sacred pipe.
		And the white buffalo is a symbol.
		It's like the sundance.
		This white buffalo is a powerful image of our people because the white buffalo is so sacred.
		You have to go through, offer tobacco to a spiritual leader to honor that.
		Let the sundance.
		You have to offer tobacco or do some offering to a medicine person or spiritual leader to help you, to guide you or to help you understand the sacredness of this white buffalo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really must understand more about the white buffalo, and I think many people want to know about that.
		So hold on.
		We are at the bottom of the hour.
		Chief Arville looking horse is my guest.
		And we've got a lot to learn.
		I've got a lot to learn, certainly about these Indian nations about which I know so very little.
		And that includes the white buffalo.
		We obviously have the right man to tell us about this.
		And he'll be right back.
unidentified		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		For those of you who joined late some stations in the second hour, I just like minutes before I went on the air got a call that a very close friend of mine just passed away unexpectedly at 59 with a massive heart attack.
		It's so strange, isn't it?
		The feelings it produces in those who are left, and I still see his face.
		He was here yesterday afternoon.
		I still feel his presence, and yet he's gone.
		Chief Arville Lookinghorse is my guest.
		It's a great honor indeed to have him on the program, and we'll get back to him in just a moment.
		Chief Arville Lookinghorse, Chief, welcome back.
		Oh.
		Maybe you can help us all understand what is the meaning of the white buffalo, the birth of the white buffalo.
		Many of us, you know, in the news services here in the country, we have had, I think, two or maybe three reports of births of white buffaloes.
		And every time we get a report, we wonder what it means.
		What does it mean?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		In our prophecies, it was told that four white buffalo calves would be born.
		And I was told this when I was very young or a young person.
		But I never thought in my whole life that I would see a white buffalo calf being born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You thought this was something that would happen in the far future?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was a great shock then for everybody?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when I first heard it, it was a great shock, yeah, because I remember myself picking up the telephone and hearing it.
		And it was just made me, you know, I was so excited.
		It feels like it's jumping up and down or whatever, but I was pretty excited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the first white buffalo was born when?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		1994.
		1994 is the year and according to that I was the spiritual leader of the Ride to Winded Knee from 1986.
		That's when the ride started.
		I was the spiritual leader of the Ride to Winded Knee and being part of the ceremony at Winded Knee in 1990.
		It's called Mending of the Sacred Hoop.
		At the time, these elders were sharing their feelings about the ride and how we were caught up with a lot of hatred, anger, jealousy and all the things that doesn't even belong in the ceremonies.
		We get caught up in that.
		To do a ceremony like 1990, it's going to take four years to travel the great distance.
		That's how we would eventually, because we're going to follow the staff and the ceremony.
		We're going to follow the spirit that is going to show itself.
		So by listening to these elders, we did a ceremony and that's what we did in 1990.
		We did a swiping the tears ceremony that won the seven sacred rites that we just talked about.
		And to let all that anger, hatred and jealousy go so we can create peace within ourselves.
		And from there, we can journey out to the world to create peace, work towards peace and unity, peace and harmony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what the White Buffalo means, that we are entering a period of peace and harmony?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it means?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what it means.
		Because after four years, according to our ceremonies, it's four days and four years.
		So it was four years after we did a ceremony, our whole nation did a ceremony at Wounded Knee.
		And this ceremony, we were told through the sacred altar that we're going to see things that are going to show themselves.
		And just four years later, a White Buffalo calf is born.
		And it was four days after our sun dance.
		And then 19 generations ago, white buffalo calf woman when she brought the sacred pipe was when the cherries were were ripe and that was in the month of August and that's when this white buffalo calf was born.
		From 19 generations later, the same month and four days after a sacred ceremony and four years after a whole nation did a ceremony, all came to this one time and that's when this white buffalo calf was born.
		And then from there, within four years, four white buffalo calves were born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had heard many stories, and I wasn't sure how many, but you're saying that within there were four.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, these are good signs.
		In our way, we believe that these signs is sent by Vokantaka, the Great Spirit.
		And whatever the Great Spirit showed us, these signs, the Great Spirit, made everything upon Mother Earth.
		So that's why everything is good.
		But we as individual, it's up to us to really get that good feeling and understand Mother Nature and have that belief, or we can push it aside.
		And that's what's happening today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is we are pushing it aside.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had, I should tell you, I had four Hopi elders on my show.
		And actually two that were on the air.
		And these Hopi elders, Chief, told me that they see changes, big earth changes coming.
		And the reason they came on the air is because they think they can no longer be avoided, that these changes are coming on our world, and there is virtually there's nothing we can do to stop them.
		That's what they said.
		What do you believe?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what we call for this World Peace and Prayer Day on June 21st because of these changes that are coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you also believe they are coming?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think will happen if we do not take the correct spiritual path, and it sounds like pretty soon, if these changes, which have already really begun, the Hopi Elders said.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is going to happen?
		My first statement, 1996, this World Peace and Friday, I stated that we are at the crossroads.
		Either we're faced with chaos, disasters, sickness, and tears from our relatives' eyes, or on the other hand, we're going to see people uniting spiritually and respecting each other's ways and cultures.
		So give that responsibility back to the people.
		Because as people of prayer, we are the key to the next millennium.
		We are who we are as caretakers of Mother Earth.
		That's what I believe in, and that's what this World Peace and Prayer Day is all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many things happening on the earth now that I see, that I am very, very worried about, and many people are worried about.
		Many changes going on.
		Our weather seems to be changing.
		Our environment seems to be changing.
		In Alaska, where the ground should be frozen, it is melting.
		In the Antarctic, where the ground should be frozen, big pieces of ice are falling off into the ocean.
		Our oceans are being poisoned by pollution, which we are dumping into them.
		Fish are getting sick.
		Humans are getting sick.
		There is great trouble going on with Mother Earth right now.
		So are we already now in these changes?
		Is that what we're seeing now?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
		Yeah, we are in these changes.
		And that's what I just came back from meeting with NASA in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		NASA?
		NASA, really?
		NASA?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And they have the facts, and they showed us films and tapes of what's happening with the environment and the air and the ozone layer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And that's what the name of the workshop is called Climate Changes and Earth Changes.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And it's almost like, what can we do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did NASA invite you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think they invited you?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe we need to work together as NASA said that they have proof of what's happening with climate change and the earth changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do have proof.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And we as people of like we understand Mother Nature and the animals because it goes with our ceremonies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So NASA was smart enough to understand that somebody like you should be there?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, for my, I would say like just speaking with them, and it's almost like they're looking for some kind of answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet they are.
		I bet they are.
		What did you tell NASA?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		According to, we just related the prophecies, and it goes back to that for myself.
		I refer back to the World Peace and Prayer Day.
		But like other nations, they made statements, but going back to similar things that I've been saying, like going back to respecting Mother Earth and prayers.
		Yeah, it's get the people and our children to be aware of what's happening globally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's actually very nice to hear that NASA has at least some understanding or sensitivity to the fact that they may not have all of the answers.
		They certainly have some of the evidence, but they don't have all of the answers.
		And your people believe, and I believe that you are right, that we are connected and always will be connected to the earth we live on.
		We are actually part of that earth, aren't we?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
		In fact, when I first made one of my trips up to the United Nations in 1994, it was like all many European indigenous people.
		And our nation was one of the nations that talked about prophecies.
		And that same time, about the same year, we have Nobel Peace Prize winners and scientists came out with a statement about global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is prophecy if nothing happens, if everything continues the way it is now, and we continue to reject any thought about the Earth that we live on, and we just continue to abuse it, what will happen?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like Mother Earth's spirit.
		She will live and she will survive.
		But it's us as individual people that might not.
		Yeah, we're killing ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have told my audience the same thing.
		We are not so strong that we could kill the Earth.
		It will continue to go around.
		But whether we continue to go around on it or not, I think is an open question right now.
		Good question.
		How does prophecy say this will happen?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		According to our prophecies, there's many stories.
		We have many prophecies.
		And some of them I would kind of relate to you.
		For one is that there's a black cloud coming and it's going to envelope us.
		And we have, when people are starting to dream about the black cloud, and when this we feel that it's going to it's in the air and and it's something that everybody can feel it's um it has to do with uh chemicals and
		That's what it's going to, according to some of these elders that have been talking about this, that the people that are not in tune with themselves, are not in tune with their prayers, they're not in tune with themselves as like mind, body, and spirit.
		And then their minds are going to go crazy.
		And so they have to have this belief and then they would survive that time.
		So that's what, that's one of them.
		But we have so many, like we talked about the prophecies, a lot of our, like the spiritual people, back in, we say over a hundred years ago when people kept the word.
		That means to us it's over a hundred years ago.
		And there were leaders like Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, and some of the people, Chief Bigfoot, talked about a time when once again, you know, people would come back to unite spiritually.
		And starting from 1990.
		But we'll be, there'll be so much on our shoulders because that our spiritual, we'll be weak spiritually.
		And yet we'll be key to the future generations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can we, how can we, if we are weak spiritually?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		That means our prayers are short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And our, because our prayers are short, our children are going to commit suicide.
unidentified		Yeah, because.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's already, if you look at, at, at our society, both Native American and every other society right now in our country, they are doing that.
		They are committing suicide in so many ways.
		many ways yes So this is happening now.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is, uh, and that you know, it's so powerful to like uh when you start to when you make uh these ceremonies and uh and start to work with people, you're going to really understand uh how much uh there is that we have to take on as spiritual people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Chief, hold on.
		Um, Chief Arville Lookinghorse is my guest.
		What you're listening to is a group named Cusco, that's CUSCO, by the way, for those who want to know.
		And a good friend of mine literally is this group.
		And this particular CD, the same one with Ghost Dance, has this title.
		And this is called Perrump, which happens to be the town I live in.
		And John, this one's for you.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
		It is a distinct honor to have with us Chief Arville Lookinghorse, who is the spiritual leader of the Lakota, Dakota, and Dakota Nations.
		Became so at the age of 12.
		And we're talking really about our world.
		And we'll be right back.
		Chief Arville Lookinghorse, Chief, welcome back.
		Hello.
		How are you doing?
		You holding up okay?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm alright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you do a lot of travel?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do a lot of traveling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you like to travel?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes it gets too crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, too crazy.
		I agree with you.
		I like to stay home, too, and I do a lot of travel.
		We were talking about a dark cloud, and we were talking about what is coming on our earth maybe soon if things don't change.
		It's very hard, you know, to ask anybody for times when these things might happen.
		But how much time, Chief, do you believe that we have before very serious things begin to happen?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I want to say that I'd like to thank the radio station, too, for allowing us to be here.
		And we don't go by our time.
		We go by the ceremonies and we have our own way with these prophecies.
		And it's going to say this here or that time.
		I guess what I'm saying is like they said in the seventh generation.
		And our prophecy was told that the young people, that we would, we as the sixth generation, we would help the seventh generation, which is our children, from seventh generation starts 1990.
		And we would help them become more stronger in their belief and culture and tradition.
		So we would help them stand up and understand what it could be, you know, like just speaking with many other cultures and nations.
		They're saying there's going to be some great changes that is going to happen by the year 2015 or.
		Anyway, to us, we know that there's going to be some great changes that is coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't measure time the way we do?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I get that.
		Okay.
		We talked about the current generation of young people.
		And I don't know about the Native American nations.
		You can tell me about the Lakota, but I can tell you about our cities and about the problem we are having now with young people.
		It seems like older people are perhaps the crime rate is going down a little bit, things look perhaps a little bit better in some ways.
		Unfortunately, though, one area where there's no progress and where we're having terrible trouble is with our young people, many of them who seem, Christians would say, to have no soul or almost have no spirit, and they don't care about life.
		They don't care about their life, and they don't care about anybody else's life.
		Is this the generation that we should be worried about, that we're talking about?
		Is this part of the problem?
		What's going on?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		See, that's what we talked about.
		The time that we are in, there's a lot upon our shoulders.
		That means we're going to, because that we have lost our boundaries, we have lost our ways of communicating.
		And therefore, we, as a spirit, we have allowed something to, we didn't use excuses or blame people.
		A lot of it is our own fault here.
		And for our children, we push them out.
		And according to the teachings of the buffalo, according to the way that we nourish our children through love and compassion, is that the mother has to nurse that child and show that love and compassion.
		And then the respect is shown through the parent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe I should ask you about just the Lakota, because somebody writes to me now by email and they say the following about child suicide.
		The highest suicide rate among young people, and I don't recall for sure possibly for all ages, is actually among Lakota youth.
		And it has been so now for about two decades.
		Lakota children 12 and under often commit suicide.
		Once while working with Lakota kids, one told me by writing that he was seriously considering suicide.
		He was nine years old.
		What's going on?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		There is a lot of suicides with our people, and that's what I know that a lot of suicide is happening all over the world too.
		But because I'm a peace promoter, I promote peace and I know what's going on.
		I do a lot of work with other nations.
		But I like to talk about my own nation because I know what we are going through as a nation.
		And there is a lot of suicides.
		And because we don't, like our ways were outlawed over within 100 years, the last of the Cold Wars was back in 1890.
		And they put our people on reservations.
		And our ways were outlawed until 1990.
		1978, that's when we got our freedom of religion, 1978.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say your ways were outlawed, what do you mean?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		That means we could not do ceremonies.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Our ceremonies were outlawed and we could not practice our way of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I don't understand because the whole idea of reservations, good or bad, probably bad, was that your nation would be able to do, have autonomy and do what it wanted to do within that reservation, within that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to have the argument now about whether reservations were good or bad, but wasn't that the whole idea?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		No, reservations are at first, they were concentration camps at first.
		And they were outlawed not to have like wood knee.
		No, it was like the ghost dance and the seer was there to like they were practicing ceremonies and it was out loud from that time on.
		So we could not hold ceremonies and the kids were sent to boarding schools.
		So that whole time from 1890 to 1990, that's what we are talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that interesting?
		Because the white man in America believes that he fought a war to have independence for religious freedom and then came across this nation and took away your religious freedom.
		The very thing we fought for.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It is because they came, we say the brothers from the East, they came and fought for freedom of religion.
		And that's what were they have like our people are like people of ceremonies and always respect and they kind of control.
		And there's a lot of conflicts in our values and our thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there too many?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when you look at the young generation now, even though you may now do the ceremonies you could not do for so long, is it too late?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		All of a sudden, no, here we are in 1978 and now, you guys can do ceremonies, you guys can do sundance, and all of a sudden we have so many medicine people, we have so many spiritual leaders that are going out there and making money off our ways.
		That's abuse.
		It's misuse and abuse of our ways.
		And there's no way that a traditional spiritual person would charge for ceremonies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask some really dumb questions, I'm afraid, but I want to ask about the sundance.
		I had a thought in my mind that the sun dance means that you actually put something through the skin, skewering the skin, staring at the sun, dancing for days as a self-sacrifice.
		Is that the sundance or do I have that wrong?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		A sun dance is you commit yourself to the sun dance and you're going to dance four days from sun up to sundown and you're going to have some breaks to sit down and then you stand up and dance.
		You're going to the sacred altar and dance again.
		And on the fourth day, that's when we have the piercing round where the puppet pull the skin out and give themselves to the Creator.
		So they cut them a little bit, then they put that skier in there, then they stand up and then they dance four times to the tree.
		And on the fourth one, they break away from the tree.
		So that's what the sun dance is about.
		It's giving yourself to the tree of life so your people would live.
		That's what the sun dance.
		So it's a, then the women, they come in and dance on the side.
		And that's what the sun dance is.
		You know, you watch the sun and you have an electron dance all day from sunup to sundown.
		No water, no food.
		Like the vision quest, you go on the hill for four days for no water and no food.
		That's fasting.
		And the sundance is the same.
		And that's what the sundancers are saying today, that the sun is different.
		It's burning our skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or are you right?
		Well, of course, we know the science from NASA.
		We know that science from NASA, but there is something that is happening.
		I live in Nevada near Death Valley.
		And my wife plants crops here for us to eat, vegetables and so forth.
		And this year, we planted a crop, and it began very well, but then something burned it.
		Something burned the crop, and it all died off, and then later came back a little bit, but something killed it off.
		It's like it burned the crop.
		And when I talked with the Hopi elders, they also said the same thing, that the sun has changed.
		The same thing you're saying.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
		We have many, many prophecies of many nations.
		And it's beautiful to see and hear their ways.
		And it all goes back to what we've been talking about, is that prayers can change.
		We can heal Mother Earth, and Mother Earth is going to heal us.
		That's what we talked about, this World Peace and Prayer Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that will be on June 6th.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		June 21st.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		21st.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, on June 21st, we're asking people all over the world to pray on that day because we can create that energy shift.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Because when you pray and you create that energy, and that's what a lot of people don't understand, is that we have that power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I believe we have that power, Chief.
		I talk on my radio program many times about things that most people don't understand and wonder about, the powers that we might have as spiritual beings.
		And we tried some experiments because I have many millions of people listening to me in New York City and Los Angeles and San Francisco and Chicago and all the big cities across America.
		And I asked people to try to bring rain, rain, to an area that had no rain.
		And we did this, Chief, four times.
		And four times, four times, rain came to these areas.
		And I will tell you the truth when I tell you, it scared me.
		And I stopped doing it.
		And I said, I have to stop doing this for a while and think about what it means.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Because we have the ability to create and to believe in ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we can create weather, then we can create and make our own reality, can't we?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And right now, the reality that I see us making is not a good one at all.
		There is so much greed, there is so much corruption that I am worried that there are not enough people to change this.
		I hope you are right, but I fear you are not.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like a lot of people they don't understand.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Like there's a lot of people having dreams and visions, but they don't understand because in the past or the way that we are going, we are pushing and we're doing that to our children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These dreams are very important, aren't they?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they are very important.
		But we're not communicating to our children, and we're not understanding Mother Nature.
		And that's what we are lacking is that communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I would like to open up some phone lines and allow some of you to ask questions, no doubt the ones I haven't gotten to.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief Marvel-looking Horace is my guest.
		He is the spiritual leader and chief of the Lakota, of the Lakota Nation, and he has a lot to say, and I hope you're listening very carefully.
		So he'll be right back.
		I've got a lot to say, so I hope you're listening carefully.
		Back now to Chief Arville Lookinghorse, and Chief, welcome back.
		There are people all over the country who would like to ask you questions.
		And so if you don't mind, I would bring some of them on the phone line and let them ask you.
unidentified		Would that be all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief, are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm barely hearing you.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a little bit better now.
		Okay, good.
		All right, let's give this a try and see if we can do it.
		On the first-time caller line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lokihorse.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Eleanor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eleanor?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Nashville, but I'm originally from Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're calling from Nashville, Tennessee, but you're from Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm registered with the Rosebud Sioux.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are Sue?
unidentified		Yeah, my mom went to school with Orville.
		Her name is Ruby Bravehawk.
		Do you know her?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the name again, please?
unidentified		Ruby Bravehawk.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Do you know her?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know her.
unidentified		Yeah, that's my mom.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		Well, we're just out here.
		We're listening to you, and we believe in you.
		You just, you know.
		You know, some comments made, you know, the sundance, you know, it's not that bad.
		It's not like these people who are out there who are doing these snake things, you know, these churches with the snakes and stuff.
		Yeah.
		Where they die and stuff.
		Sundance does not do that.
		You know?
		And people out there who are listening shouldn't criticize Indians for doing the sundance, you know, when there's churches out there that are doing these, you know, things with the snake, you know, because it's in the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know, they do those things back in the part of the country you're in now.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And, you know, and that's just not right, you know.
		And yeah, there are, you know, I was raised with a stepdad that was white, you know, and I wasn't able to learn the Lakota language, and I would like to, you know.
		But I am learning the Lakota ways, and it's all true, you know.
		I lost my little boy, and I know he's up there with the Great Spirit, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief, there are many, like this young lady, aren't there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lost children from the Lakota Nation.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		I travel a lot, and I've been to a lot of cities, and every place I go, I will see a relative of ours from our nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lokinghorse.
unidentified		Hello.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Where am I now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		N No, my caller.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Are you there, sir?
		I guess he's not there.
		Let's try it again.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lokinghorse.
		Hello?
unidentified		Well, I know I'm sure here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Chief.
		I live in the northeast.
		That's close to New York.
		We call it the tri-state area.
		We're not used to the weather that we've been having lately, and I'll explain.
		We've had some tremendous tornadoes.
		That's not like our weather.
		But back in 1985, I started to dream about the black clouds, and then I started to dream about the tornadoes.
		And everyone laughed, and they says, we'll never get that kind of weather here.
		And I don't relish summer anymore.
		I said that last week.
		And Monday of this week, just after saying it, I literally got up.
		I sleep late in the afternoon sometimes.
		Got up and looked out our back door.
		And lo and behold, I saw two tornadoes forming way too far, at least five, six miles away.
		But yes, a tornado did hit around 11 miles away that particular day in winter.
		And I guess you know about the tornadoes that hit in, I think it was Arkansas and Tennessee.
		And everyone said, this is not the kind of weather you have in winter.
		And I do go to bed with a flashlight under the pillow because in the last four days, the power has gone out twice.
		We had an ice storm.
		That was last week.
		And then Monday, a clash of lightning, and literally both had no power for 24 hours.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Lightning?
unidentified		This is not like us over here.
		And Art knows I'm telling the truth.
		Okay, Cassie.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		That's right, because I was right east of Chicago about two days ago, and the rain was heavy, that it was raining so heavy, and they had lightning and thundering.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And this is in January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and in Tennessee, in January, they had tornadoes that killed people and destroyed entire towns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, these things have happened in history before, but we are having many of these things almost all the time now.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And like the Dakotas, like last year we had like tornado warnings year-round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Year-round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All year round?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, a lot of like the weather is really different.
		And according to our like the third week in March, we call it Teopa Nashaka.
		It's the month when the closing of the door.
		That's what it means.
		And like these elders are saying, the weather is so different.
		We have lightning in winter and we have like the whole changes happening with the weather is so different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kathy, she was from New Jersey and she said she also has been having dreams of a black cloud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you surprised?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I'm not surprised because that's what a lot of people are having and there's like before these white buffalo calves were born, we have a lot of people all across Turtle Island.
		They have dreams about the white buffalo calves.
		So it's not only Native people, but other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there was a day when many people paid attention to the dreams and visions they had, and not so many people pay attention today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They just, you know, they wake up and they have their cup of coffee and they go to work and they forget all about it very quickly and they don't consider what their unconscious is trying to tell them, do they?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lookinghorse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm actually in Vancouver, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vancouver, Canada, okay.
unidentified		Yes, indeed.
		Hello from Canada to all.
		It's a pleasure, Art.
		Thank you to you, actually, for being such a fabulous facilitator for a rather incredible ongoing forum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Indeed, indeed, you are a very worthy man.
unidentified		And greetings to you as well, Chief Lookinghorse.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		My question is, it's really good that you've just been speaking again about the dreams of the Black Clouds, and you had been speaking earlier about that being a part of your prophecies.
		Now, I'm here to, I guess, bring in the other side of the coin.
		That is about the possible outcomes, the positive possible outcomes.
		And I'm wondering if there are any of those that tie as well into the prophecies depending on the choices that we make, because, yes, of course, as a collective consciousness and also as individual conscious light beings, we are creating our reality, as you were saying earlier, Art.
		And I believe and have been a witness to a lot of, I guess you could say, products of the light.
		And I have great faith in where this planet is going.
		It's come through in dreams.
		It's come through in just daily flashes as well, too.
		I'm a student of the psychic arts and the healing arts as well.
		And I work very much on the light side of things.
		So I wanted to know if there was also some positivity you can bring with us, because as much chaos and destruction is going on, an equal amount of joy and happiness is.
		It's that balance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess a good question would be, I think that Chief Marvel Looking Horse definitely agrees with you about the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why he's calling for a day of prayer.
unidentified		Indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		June 21st.
unidentified		Yes, I've already marked it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I think the question for all of us is whether there's enough, whether there's enough balance to make things come out the way you and I and the chief hope they come out, pray they come out.
unidentified		Well, if I may, Art, I haven't told you my name, and I won't.
		This isn't the time for it.
		I don't mean to sound all mysterious and enigmatic, but I know also there will be a time when I will talk to you at great length about some messages that I have to pass on.
		That's part of what I'm here to do.
		And I just really wanted to bring up that side of it because I believe that our perspectives, I mean, our thoughts are the very seed of what we manifest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, look, you're preaching to the choir here at Chief.
		You're welcome to answer her question, but I think that I know your answer.
		I mean, obviously you are working for positive change, aren't you?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what I believe.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		It's always on the positive change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I am an old, cynical person doing my job here on the radio.
		I hear all the time about the negative things that are going on.
		Maybe I hear too much about the negative things.
		I don't know.
		But it seems to me that there is so much negativity going on that I worry that we cannot change the course of what is happening.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess that's what we have to start communicating.
		We have to start respecting each other ways.
		And that's what this positive change is about, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Chief Arville looking horse.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Calling from Butler, Pennsylvania.
		Love your show.
		Just picked it up yesterday, in fact.
		And I've really found it educational in all aspects.
		Similarly, on the subject matter of just like Indian culture, I saw this movie called The Education of Littletree.
		And it pretty much takes place in Tennessee post-depression times.
		And it basically goes into showing how America robbed the Indians of their rights, of freedom of their nativeness and all the culture that they practiced prior to our coming.
		It robbed them of their names.
		They had to take American names and they weren't allowed to speak any of their tongue or anything along those lines.
		And it was just very disheartening to see that that was done at such an early age to this little child that he overcame the great evil.
		That's all I really wanted to say, and I love your show.
		And I hope it prospers with this word of peace, you know, because the world really needs it.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world really does need it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief, my question from that call would be, why do you think when the reservations were created that the white man who fought his own war because of religion forbid why did the white men forbid your ceremonial because it's something that they can't
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And that's where we are the strongest, we believe in our ceremonies and communicating to the Great Spirit through the ceremonies.
		And that's why when you don't understand something, it's very hard to take and that's why they outlawed our ceremonies.
		like uh back in 1890 that's what the last of the cold wars that's what uh that's when they outlawed our ceremonies because they like the what they were um they were in ceremonies and they they saw wounded knee happen.
unidentified		That's just incredible to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Looking Horse.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Sean calling from Gurney, Illinois, a suburb, about 23 miles north of Chicago.
		We just had a big snow.
		It was interesting.
		I think you guys were talking about the weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		If I caught that.
		Did you guys know we had about 20 plus inches of snow?
		And that was a record.
		I think the last big snow we had was like in 79.
		But anyway, I believe that the weather patterns are changing.
		My question that tonight for Chief Looking Horse was basically, there's a lot of hype and hysteria and a lot of psychics out there, I guess, predicting what's going to happen on 2000, January 1st.
		I have my own feelings in that and beliefs and belief systems in that.
		My question for the chief was, what can we do as individuals by thinking locally, you know, first and then acting globally?
		What can we do spiritually?
		Because I believe in prayer and I believe in spirits and that they're all around us.
		There's good and evil spirits.
		I believe it's very strong.
		It's a very strong force that needs to be taught maybe more, maybe by yourself or others.
		But what can we do as individuals to maybe safeguard or somehow try to protect our way of life as we know it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question, Chief.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's what we've been asking people to on June 21st.
		We need to work towards a day of peace, a day, and I hope June 21st is recognized as international holiday because we need such a day in our lives to um that when uh who uh we as people can create that energy to um when we can uh stay with our children and
		with our families and bring that peace into our lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, to many people, this sounds like maybe you're talking about magic or something really strange, but it doesn't sound that way to me, Chief, because I've seen it work.
		I've seen it happen.
		So I can imagine that you are right.
		Listen, I have one more hour.
		If you would like to stay or if you feel like you need to get to bed, I can do that, too.
		It's up to you, Chief.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd like to stay one more hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, please.
		Stay right where you are, then, and we'll be right back.
		My guest, we are honored to have Chief Arbel Looking Horse here, Chief of the Lakota, Dakota, and Dakota Spiritual Leader.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		please limit your faxes to one or two pages this is coast to coast a.m with art bell now again here's art you really should know who you're hearing this night he is chief arville looking horse he is the uh spiritual leader of the lakota and i'm going to have to try and understand uh i would think that these others and
		and dakota are part of the lacota nation will ask about that in a moment at any rate in between if you have questions for him we're happy to uh...
		accommodate you can get through on the lines so everybody's stay right where you are uh...
		let us now go back to uh...
		chief arville looking horse and uh...
		here he is again chief welcome back oakler uh...
		getting pretty late though where you are there i guess huh uh...
		do you have you in the past talked uh...
		to people all over the nation america canada and and and in fact worldwide have you had this opportunity before on the radio yes yes kid are these the same kinds of questions that you get yeah i do about the same questions in uh...
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		a lot of people think uh...
		we've never known reservation that uh...
		on in teepees and riding horseback, but there are a lot of changes that have happened.
		They kind of freeze-frame us back in the 1800s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Movies.
		It's movies that does that.
		There is one thing happening on the reservations that I would like to ask you about, though.
		There is great controversy in many places now about gaming, about gambling on reservations.
		Do you have any comment on that?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I have no comment on that.
		Other than that, a lot of our relatives dress up nice and go have a nice job.
		But I do like to say that, no, it's I think the way that we are, as today, we we need to all survive one way or another.
		And like gambling or casinos, that's very like some of the ways that I know that it has helped.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has helped, I know.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		It's a survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Survival.
		All right.
		Here we go again.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lookinghorse.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi, this is Les in Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Honolulu, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		And Chief, it's an honor to speak to you mostly just because my great-great-great-grandmother was a daughter of Sitting Bull.
		And to comment, I would just like to make, earlier you were speaking about the balance, and it seems like there are many more people or spirits on the planet that are confused and aren't aware, and not enough of those that are aware to make a difference.
		And my comment is that one strong warrior can overcome many weak warriors is not numbers that are important, but because the strength of one can overcome many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say I hope that's true.
		It almost has to be true if you consider the condition of the world today.
		If there is to be any hope, that must be true.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we are like we still have our ceremonies in the circle, and we, every time, like that's what we talk about, just healing our families hoop and the hoop of the nation, and we all like there's no one person higher than the other in the circle.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		I'll support each other and create that energy, that love and compassion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call from Hawaii.
		Chief, may I ask you about this?
		You are the keeper of the sacred pipe.
		Did the Lakota, and do the Lakota now, use a peyote or any other drug in ceremonies?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Some of our people today still on today they use peyote, but I would not say talk about that because that's that today we have so many of our people praying a lot of different ways and whatever they believe in, that's their choice.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		So that's what I it's out of respect for yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, actually, I meant the question in no negative way.
		As a matter of fact, I've had many guests who are spiritual, who say there are many, many paths, there are many ways to become spiritual, and that is one of them.
		The use of that type of a natural substance, peyote, mesculine, whatever.
		And you would agree with that.
		In other words, you respect that.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would respect that because peote, the lobby relatives from the south, that's theirs, and I respect that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another question for you, and then I'll go back to the phones here.
		Many people want to talk to you, but on the reservations today, how much autonomy do the reservations really have?
		It's kind of like the reservations are in the middle someplace.
		They're not subject to all the laws of this land, but they're subject to many of them.
		And so it's kind of a strange place to be because you're different, but not really different.
		And so which way is it going now?
		Are you having more of Washington's laws or the state laws come onto the reservation?
		Or do you think it's going the other way and there are fewer laws that apply to the reservation?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Well, today we have our traditional laws and our ways and our culture, which I am part of, and then there's the tribal government, and then we have the state government, and then we have the U.S. government.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		But we have to know all the laws, too, that obtains our people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So some laws apply and some laws don't, but you've got to know them all.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, we've got to know them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's tough.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lookinghorse.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, this is Vicki in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Vicki.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hawaii again.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Art, I just want to let you know you have my prayers and your laws.
		Thank you.
		And Chief Lookinghorse, I have a personal question and then a more general question.
		But I'm 43 now and I lived in South Dakota for 30 years.
		I was born there and South Central near the Rosebud Reservation.
		And I was there during the American Indian Movement, you know, all the violence and stuff that was going on.
		And I'm Caucasian and I felt a lot of fear at that time.
		And I just want you to know that I respect and admire what the Native Americans have done and their spiritual strength to let go of all the anger and resentment.
		Because I know that had to be really difficult.
		And so I think you can be a good example for all of us with all the racism that's going on.
		And then I want a personal question.
		Did you know a man, an old man now, by the name of John Fire?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		My grandmother used to have a dairy queen on Highway 18 in Gregory, and he used to paint the murals, and they were just beautiful on her teepee on top of her dairy queen.
		Anyway, okay, and then I get homesick sometimes.
		One of my questions is, I have two questions.
		One is, how do we let go of, I've been working on my own spirituality for a couple years now, and how do we let go of, sometimes I get just overwhelmed with feelings of fear about the future, and I wondered, how can we let go of that?
		And then my second question is, how do we know where the sacred areas are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, both good questions.
		How do we let go of the fear?
		There is a lot of fear today.
		She's right.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there is a lot of fear because that's the way we are taught, is fear.
		But a long time ago, the way that people lived, there was no fear because we work with spirit.
		And when we do our ceremonies like each day, that letting go of that pain and anger and that fear.
		That's us, we have to heal ourselves.
		So it's always a blessing to know and to understand that spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chief, she also asked about sacred areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there sacred areas?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's sacred areas all over the world.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Every hundred miles, that's what our grandfathers told us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say every hundred miles?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And these places people have been going to to pray.
		And these are places that we have created this energy when people are praying at one place for a long time.
		It becomes more like a sacred place.
		It's a powerful place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is one to know where these places are?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		When we're going back into ceremonies, and like here in the Dakotas, we have a lot of our biggest place, the most sacred place is the sacred Black Hills.
		The whole sacred Black Hills is sacred.
		And it's, we say, heart of everything that is.
		That's where people came from and the whole Black Hills.
		Like today, they have pictures of the Black Hills, the four seasons, and when they fast forward, the four seasons was a heart that was pumping.
		And that's why these elders told about the stories.
		And we see it.
		And today we can feel it through the pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Black Hills.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so then we have these other sacred places where the Thunder people, they come and leave their markings on these stones, these sacred places, and we take that into the ceremonies and we would know what is going to happen or where your relatives and ancestors are buried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are also sacred places, are they not?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are these places where they have ceremonies.
		Any place that we have a ceremony is a sacred place.
		To us, it's like it could be like burial grounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		Well, many times we have built things and places over sacred ground.
		And many strange things, sometimes not so good, have happened when this was done.
		There was recently a big controversy in Colorado when they built the new airport at Denver.
		There are many who say that was built over sacred ground.
		Do you know anything about that?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I heard about that.
		I heard a lot about strange stories that came from there.
		Strange accidents did happen at the airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They still are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's because of where it was built?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what these elders are telling us.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		It's built on a secret ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was there, and I actually had a tour.
		One of the managers was, I guess, a fan of mine, and he took me around the Denver airport, and I asked him about this.
		And, you know, it was private, and he didn't have to tell me anything.
		And he said, a lot of what you hear about the airport is true.
		A lot of the strange things that have happened, I admit to you, are true.
		So I was quite surprised.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Chief Arville Looking Horse.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm Art.
		I just have a quick platitude, perhaps.
		It depends how you take it.
		When I heard about your friend passing, at first I felt deep sadness for your loss.
		I know how that feels.
		But at the time, I happened to be reading a wonderful spiritual book, and perhaps something that I saw in that may help you a little bit, if I may.
		It seems that we are all unique and very creative manifestations of the one Creator, and we are each of us put here for a purpose.
		Sometimes we know it, sometimes we don't.
		And yet, when we have done our purpose here, whatever that may be, we get to go back to the Creator with what we've learned here as well, to continue and share that energy.
		So in that way, your friend really is just going on to the next step of his purpose.
		And in that way, I feel happy for him, though I realize you have a longing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope you're right.
unidentified		And so in that way, I just wanted to share that with you.
		And you certainly are a blessing to us community of insomniacs out here.
		And I also, my heart, excuse me, my heart pounds strong and fast with the joy of the honor to be able to speak with you this evening, Chief Looking Horse, and even more so to be able to listen to you.
		I learn a lot more with my mouth closed and my ears open.
		My name is Mike, and I'm calling from the southern shore of Lake Ontario in upstate New York in the center of the traditional homeland of the Iroquois or Haudenosaunee.
		And I feel blessed to be here.
		I will try to be succinct.
		I realize I'm running on.
		This is such an honor.
		My comment, I have a comment or two very briefly and I would like to ask Chief for your thoughts or comments if you feel so called to do so.
		I'm 31 years old and in the last few years I've gone through major struggles as a recovering addict and a big part of that is reconnecting with spirit, with spirituality.
		And I had been getting nowhere for a long time until about a year and a half ago a friend invited me to the Sacred Lodge, to Sweat Lodge, at which time things started to become very much more clear.
		And it was with a wonderful fellow named Tao Dakwe at a place called Aquahewe up near Niagara Falls.
		And once there, I spent some wonderful time, including last June 21st.
		We had a wonderful time and we will be there again this year.
		And that is part of what I'd like to ask you to comment on is what specific things in a spiritual sense or a ritual sense could you suggest or would you suggest we can do as groups to direct our prayers and our energies on Peace Prayer Day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that really is a very good question.
		We'll have to leave it there.
		I'm sorry.
		You're right.
		We're short on time.
		June 21st, Chief.
		Why then?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		That's when a lot of the elders, when I took tobacco to not only me, but when we took the tobacco to the elders of many nations, they said that June 21st is a day.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		That's when this energy shift, when that's when they feel the most, that feel very good on that day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it would be easiest for many people together to have an effect on that day?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a summer solstice.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And for more information, you can call, you can, on the website, www.w.worldpeaceday.com slash 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my webmaster, I hope, is listening right now, or we may already have a link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's www.worldpeaceday.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.com slash 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		And hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		And we'll be right back with the Chief Harville Looking Horse.
		I'm Art Bell.
		From the high, windy desert in the southwest portion of this country of ours, we come to you.
		Unusual.
		Who else comes from this part of the country?
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		Watching every motion in my foolish love again Oh my, oh my, oh my I'm a bit home.
		I'm finally loving you today Running every time You're so sick, you stay inside Watching this emotion As you turn around and play Shame on the way
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		This is Coast to Coast again from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Glad to be here.
		Chief Arville Lookinghorse is my guest, and I know many, many, many of you have been looking forward to this night.
		He'll be back in a moment.
		Back now to Chief Arville Lookinghorse.
		And Chief, maybe you can clear something up for me.
		And that is, you are Chief of the Lakota.
		And the other two nations that you mention, are they also Lakota or separate?
		Or when we talk about these Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota, is that all Lakota nation?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		No, that's like Lakota, Dakota, Nakota.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		It's all one nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All one nation.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		They're all one nation.
		The Sioux nation.
		But we don't want to use the word Sioux because that word is the name is given to us.
		Sioux.
		It's a French term like a snake and a grass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that is not your name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is our name for you.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was.
		Who you are is like Lakota.
		Or Lakota, Lakota.
		It's a just in the dialect is different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I understand.
		Believe me.
		Thank you.
		That clears it up.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Chief Arville Loki Horse.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm alright, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In New York, yes.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		From listening to 77 ABC.
		I got a question for you, guest.
		I was told something about the Indian medicine.
		I was born under the sign of the frog, and my stone is malachite.
		I wonder if he can guide me in the right Direction on finding more information about that.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just um about that frog, um we don't uh do too much um um with the symbol of that frog or the snake.
		Um but you know we are the buffalo people so we I I would um yeah, just I would probably uh say more about the buffalo.
		Uh if and I can I can't say too much about the frog.
unidentified		Okay, is uh in your nation like what is the like what would I be under and where would I go about finding out the information on that?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		About the frog?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Um yeah we respect uh the people's ways and their beliefs and whatever you believe and what can help you, you know I we respect that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There are there are so many religions, Chief.
		We have Catholics, we have Protestants, we have Baptists, we have Hindus, we have Native Americans like yourself, we have so many people who believe so many things and all of them think they are the right path and some think they are the only path.
		What do you think?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just respect that everybody is spiritual in their own way and I believe that and so I know that when you believe in something, it'll work for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I happen to also believe that.
		But that gets you in a lot of trouble with many people who think that their path is the only path.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lookinghorse.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi.
		Good evening, Art.
		This is Karen in Houston.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Karen.
		I know that history repeats itself, like what you were talking about earlier, the banishment of certain special religious ceremonies and such.
		I know in Scotland in one time, bagpipes were once outlawed for the same reason.
		I think we need a new history, and June 21st sounds awful good to me.
		And if we do make contact with our family members who are over there and our friends, I think we can't go wrong.
		So I'm looking forward to participating in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you want to be a part of it?
unidentified		Oh, I sure do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, wonderful.
		And I would tell everybody we have a link on our website right now to Chief Arville Looking Horse's website regarding the World Prayer Day on June 21st.
		And I would be the last person in the world to say this wouldn't work because I've seen it happen myself.
		So anything is worth a try, and I would encourage you all to do some reading about this.
		And maybe we really all can together do something.
		You don't want to go down without trying, at least.
		So take a look at the website.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Chief Arville Looking Horse.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I was just making sure it was me.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Peggy and Groton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Groton, Connecticut?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		First off, Chief Looking Horse Sheil, welcome to the program.
		I'm of Cherokee descent.
		I guess to coin Art's phrase, I'm another one of the lost children.
		I never had the opportunity to grow up with full knowledge of my own culture.
		I'm married to Anishinaabe from Minnesota, and we both are kind of in the same boat here.
		What I wanted to ask you was, I have been a spiritual seeker ever since I was very, very young, about maybe three or four years old, and I do remember that far back, and I was definitely even searching then.
		It seems that whenever I have needed an answer, I have gotten that answer in one form or another.
		Sometimes I was made to wait for weeks, days, even years, and then all of a sudden the answers would come to me.
		My problem here is that in the past few years, I feel like I've come to a stalemate.
		And a few years ago, about, well, more than a few, about 10 years ago, I started just getting this real urge, this real tug to go to a certain geographical location.
		And I've never been able to get there.
		And I'm wondering if maybe the two things might have to do with each other.
		And why in the world would one come to such a spiritual dead end for three or four years and never and not be able to go any farther?
		And I'm wondering, might this have something to do with the times also?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Hello, yeah, just for us it's always ongoing.
		It's always every day.
		And we have that belief where it doesn't, yeah, we as individuals, we have our ups and downs, but the ceremonies Are always constant and the teachings is always there.
		So that in that way, we always we know that we that these sacred ceremonies and sacred sites and it's for us and we hold a lot of respect to the sacred pipe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess in a way he's saying to you that if you are drawn to a special place, a geographic place, you should go.
unidentified		That's so much easier said than done since I'm in Connecticut and where I need to go, where I've been feeling drawn to is Montana.
unidentified		And I have two boys that it would cost quite a bit of money probably to escape from here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you said it yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you want it to come to pass, you will find a way.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, and that's something that I'm holding my face out for.
		You know, I figure if I'm supposed to go, then I'll find a way to get there.
		It's just that I just feel like I'm just so stuck, you know, spiritually speaking right now that it drives me up a wall.
		It drives me crazy.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		That's what this World Peace and Parity is about, June 21st.
		And we have a lot of, like on our website, there's a place where people are having these gatherings from East Coast to West Coast and all over the world that people can go to.
		And that's what they're calling in to get connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody sent me some email, Chief, and asked if this black cloud could possibly be a nuclear war.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is what we are seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you believe it is?
unidentified		Yep.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		And, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Chief Arville Lookinghorse.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Winona.
		I'm from Idaho.
		Yes.
		I had a comment in regards to your question you had on the reservations and, you know, it's supposed to be for the Indians only.
		Even though it was set aside, it's like what he said, it's kind of a place where they put us and didn't, that was where we were supposed to stay at.
		And we have somewhat kind of like a sovereignty, autonomy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
unidentified		And see, like where I live at, on the reservation I live on, we fall under, we have our own tribal laws, we have our, then we fall under the federal laws, but we have to deal with the state laws in that accord too with a lot of the non-Indians that live here.
		So it's a big, kind of a big mess.
		One of the other comments I had is in regards to the kids.
		I heard that was mentioned as being called like lost souls.
		And in that sense, I do believe it's that way.
		I think you can look at all the kids around and you see that as far as the Indian kids here, it's like they're lost.
		They don't have any understanding of what our traditions, our culture, and a loss of respect for those that are trying to teach it.
		When our parents were growing up, they were forced not to be able to talk and practice at that time.
		And I know I have that own feeling as, you know, I'm learning a lot of it right now, but it's really hard for the kids my age when we were growing up that didn't have that.
		As far as, you know, I think it's something that's going across the nation, not only on the reservations, but in the cities and around in the area of, you know, where there's a lot of people looking for ways, and then there's those that just don't know how to find their way.
		And that's about all I had to comment on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and take care.
unidentified		Yeah.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if I can.
		We have some major concerts coming up.
		Three of them.
		And one is in Albuquerque, New Mexico at Tingley Stadium on April 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say concerts or conventions?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Benefit concert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benefit concert, all right?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Willie Nelson and friends is performing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		April 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Willie Nelson is a friend of mine.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's all right, because there's going to be a lot of people there.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		I hope a lot of William Biden, a lot of people come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, April 23rd in Albuquerque.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any others?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, April 23rd, Tingley Stadium, Albuquerque.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to mention any others?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd like to say that the other ones will be on the website as it come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so in other words, check the website and they'll be listed there.
		But anyway, April 23rd in Albuquerque, and Willie Nelson, among others, will be there.
		That's great.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Looking Horse.
unidentified		Hi.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Chief Arville Looking Horse.
		I've got an article here written by a fellow.
		He's an Indian fellow.
		His name is Motti Church, Director of Native Ministries, North Pacific and Canada.
		And I wanted to ask you, you mentioned the vision of Crazy Horse, and he has presented this here in a kind of concise way.
		And I want to get your opinion about this.
		He said the visions of Crazy Horse of the Ogallala were well known during his lifetime, but many non-natives know nothing of this prediction that the Creator would come to Earth and cleanse and recreate it.
		And then in 1995, Crazy Horse's great-grandson began having dreams in which he was told that those prophecies were about to be fulfilled.
		Now, for centuries, the Sioux and the Cheyenne, or actually we should say the Lakota and the Cheyenne, have passed down a prediction that the Creator will return to the earth to renew the earth and heal all who are sick and restore the peace and harmony.
		And the sign that this is about to take place will be the birth of a white buffalo.
		And for centuries there was no white buffalo, and now in the past three years or so we've had a lot more than one.
		And also on the same subject, there's an Eskimo by the name of Manilak who lived long before the arrival of white man and the Bible and predicted that the day would come when the Creator would return to the skies with glory much greater than the splendor of the northern lights.
		And Manilak taught that the Creator's return would be seen by all people around the globe and that he, and when he returned, he would recreate a land of peace in which people would live forever without sickness or death.
		And before that day came, he taught that people would actually travel from place to place through the air with great speed and boats loaded with supplies would skim across the water.
		And I just wondered now with those, now his records, the records of all of his prophecies are recorded in the Northern History Books and Old Ledgers of the Hudson Bay Trading Company.
		And I just wondered, Chief Huckinghorse, if you had an account of that or how that fits in with what you believe.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that Crazy Horse's grandson?
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In 1995, it said that Crazy Horse's great-grandson began having dreams which supported those of his great-grandfather.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because Crazy Horse never had any kids.
unidentified		That would be a little hard to do then, wouldn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would.
unidentified		Well, that part of the article we know is wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So much for that.
		Yeah.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Interesting question, interesting answer.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Chief Arville Looking Horse.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Thank you for taking my call, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		This is Silversong in Bellingham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I wanted to speak with Orville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		Orville, I saw you down in Olympia, and I'm a painter.
		I'm an artist, and I painted a picture of the white buffalo calf woman, which I gave to you.
		I started having visions when I was about eight years old, and I started painting then.
		And I've constantly been upholding that possibility of the white buffalo calf spirit to return.
		And I put you in my circle of prayers, and I want to really thank you for that position you're holding, that pipe that you're carrying, and the responsibility that you walk with every day.
		And I really, like, I just want to thank you for that.
		The other thing I wanted to know about, which I was wondering about, is there's 29 holidays in this country, and there's yet one that honor my grandmother and grandfather's.
		Like, there's Martin Luther King Day, there's Christian holidays, but there's yet to honor our people.
		And I wonder about the spirit of place, about the soul of America, if we can make a ceremony where people of other peoples, because the Creed prophecy from my father's people says that when the earth is ravaged and the plants and animals are suffering, a tribe of people from all colors and creeds will come together and make the land green again.
		And I wonder if this is an opportunity for us to create a ceremony because it's a way to educate the masses.
		I was showing in Paris in 1995 and I was at the Museum des Homes and there they had a graph and they said 25 million Europeans will migrate to America by the year 2020.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young lady, I'm going to have to hold you up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, we're out of time.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much.
		And again, the ceremony that is planned is for June 21st.
		You can read about it on my website just by going down to Chief Arville Looking Horse's link, click on it, and do a little reading.
		It's merely, it seems, an extension of what we have already proven we know to be true, all of us, over the last couple of years.
		So, Chief, I would like to thank you for being here.
		It has been wonderful and an honor to have you on the air.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wish you luck with your day of prayer, and I sure wish you luck with your concert as well.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's all right.
		Thank you.
		Thanks for letting us be on the air with you.
		And we're Peace and Prayer Day because that's the responsibility for all people of many nations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, sir.
arvol looking horse ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly is.
		Can you tell I found some new bumper music, huh?
		I want to thank the person who sent along when I talked about ELO.
		Higher and higher, baby It's a living Anyway, welcome back into the final hour of coast to coast a.m.
		Either the final hour, or depending on what you get, perhaps the first hour or the second hour.
		It's all getting mixed up.
		This would be if you're listening tomorrow.
		Now tomorrow or tonight, if you're hearing this tomorrow.
		Oh, lordy, this is getting confusing.
		We're going to have Lance Henriksen from Millennium in the second hour at 11 o'clock and 12 o'clock.
		Matter of fact, we've got a whole line of guests actually coming up for you.
		But in the second hour, we're going to be talking to a biotoxicologist.
		We're going to be talking to a man about the Gulf War disease.
		We're going to be talking to the man about the possibility of what we may be facing as a nation at nearly any moment.
		Or maybe we've already faced it.
		At any rate, there'll be a kind of continuity in Tomorrow Night's Show, which will feed into the next night's show, which will be actually after Millennium has been on.
		I have a part in an episode of Millennium coming up this Friday.
		In other words, tomorrow in most time zones.
		And you might check your TV guide.
		It's on at 8 o'clock or 9 o'clock.
		I don't know.
		It's on Fox.
		So just check and you'll see the time and you will see me in there indeed.
		But more than my being in this episode, pay attention to what the episode is about.
		And then sort of put that together with what we do tomorrow night.
		That's what I'm suggesting.
		We'll be right back.
		Yo, we've got a final hour ahead of us of complete open lines.
		Anything you would like to talk about is, of course, fair game.
		So here we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air high.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Am I on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you better be or I'm not and we're all in trouble.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I'm a Cherokee shaman and I do the sun calendar for the pink clan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going over my head already.
unidentified		Okay, I thought you might be interested in what the sun calendar says for June the 21st.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does it say?
unidentified		June 21st, 1999.
		Fathers and men generally are exhausted, having expended all they are able for the women in their lives.
		A pause in material prosperity, riches are exhausted, with some concerns over inheritances, as prominent men have passed on as a result of their strenuous efforts last week.
		Many women are newly pregnant.
		War efforts collapse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, it's summer solstice, you know, June 21st.
unidentified		It might be an interesting time for a peace prayer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's, I think, what the chief was suggesting, and I happen to agree.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		We did two, actually more than two experiments that sobered me seriously in terms of their effect.
		And as you well know, I stopped.
		But it may be that Chief Looking Horse has the right idea at the right time to prevent what otherwise will occur.
		Does that sound like mumbo jumbo?
		I suppose to some people it does.
		I wouldn't know what it would be.
		Nuclear war, some sort of ecological disaster.
		I feel the black cloud that he speaks of, and I felt it for some time.
		So I'm going to do some thinking about this, but it seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
unidentified		Okay, I wanted to comment on something that I found.
unidentified		I did some Indian ceremonies, Native American ceremonies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I found out that in the Bible in Deuteronomy, in chapter 32, line 26, it says, I will scatter them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We generally don't allow direct quoting of the Bible here.
unidentified		Well, but it has to do with the Native ceremonies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Why would, just out of curiosity, why would a Christian?
		It's from Hebrew.
unidentified		And the word I will scatter them is hapeoim, the derivative of the word pea or peot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to peyote.
unidentified		Right, and it refers to line 32 of 32, which in English refers to the grapes of wrath, which refers to the bitter herb.
		And the bitter herb was hidden and would be coming out at this time as the punishment and the blessing.
		And it's referred to in line 32, 26, and 32, 32.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate the information, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		June 21st, now we've got another day to worry about, huh?
		Think about, be concerned about.
		It's going to be a very interesting year.
		1999 is really going to be an interesting year.
		It has begun on kind of a terribly sad note for me.
		Just hours ago, one of my best friends passed away completely unexpectedly.
		Just like that.
		All in all, in some ways, not a bad way to go.
		And it's the ones, of course, that are left here that do all the grieving.
		And I assume that one way or the other he's beyond the grieving.
		He's either someplace or no place.
		I hope someplace.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Billy from Mobile, Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Billy.
unidentified		Laissez-Les Bonton Roulette from the city of Mobile, founding of Modi Gras here.
		Yes, sir.
		My birthday is on June 21st, and I've been having some terribly powerful dreams about a black sky and a red sun and a silver bird like an eagle or a falcon with midnight blue eyes.
		And they've been rather disturbing.
		I kind of wondered if any of your audience had some of the similar dreams or whatever.
		I feel like I'm being drawn to a place, but I don't know where.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'll tell you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest was talking about visions exactly like the ones you're talking about, and so I don't have anything to offer except to say that apparently many people are having similar visions, and this has meaning.
unidentified		Right, right.
		I felt drawn maybe to Stonehenge.
		I'm not real sure, but maybe if some of your other audience members could call in and maybe enlighten me a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		It's like the lady who was drawn to a certain physical location, she said, in Montana.
		It is interesting.
		The spiritual world is a very interesting place.
		You ought to try it every now and then.
		Most of us are stuck in this day-to-day race for survival and this competitive business world that we live in.
		And it's like a wall that separates us from what we probably ought to be thinking about and concentrating on.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hi, how are you?
		Well, I'm all right, sir.
		Welcome.
unidentified		I can't believe I got through.
		I was on the internet this afternoon and I was sitting in front of my computer and all the power went out in my neighborhood.
		As soon as the power came back on, I got back on, I got up on your webpage, found the Sea Crane Company, and ordered one of the Bijan radios.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was after the power went out?
unidentified		The power went out for about 45 minutes, and I thought it was like my wake-up call, because I've been listening to your show and listening to the commercials about the Bijan, and then when the lights went out, I said this time to act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of wonder why it takes that for people to act.
		In other words, why is not my continual telling of the fact that the power is going to go out sufficient for people to act?
		They wait until actually the power does go out because that's a wake-up call, all right?
unidentified		Well, I just feel very fortunate that it was just about 45 minutes.
		and i was able to help to The lights go out.
		You open up the hallway to your apartment building and everything's completely black.
		There's no elevators.
		It's a real wake-up call, and I just feel real fortunate that it happened to me at this point, so I was able to call and order one of the radios.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		Better now than later.
		I appreciate the call.
		Obvious cellular call, I might add.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guy's right.
		Are you listening to him?
		Why would you want to wait until a true moment of need?
		Now, I'm being honest with you.
		When I say I don't know about Y2K, I have listened and listened and listened to all kinds of different voices and people about Y2K.
		And you know what?
		I'm beginning to conclude.
		I'm beginning to conclude that nobody really knows what the hell's going to happen.
		There are doomsayers, and Gary North would be the first to tell you he's probably over in that area.
		Ed Yorden, a little less so than him, but still very serious.
		Several other guests I've had on.
		Our own government, which doesn't seem to know what the hell is going to go on.
		We've got our president saying, guess what?
		Social Security is saved.
		Well, what about everything else?
		When do we get those announcements?
		The power grid is saved.
		The telephone system is secure.
unidentified		The banks are ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ATMs will operate.
		I haven't heard any of that.
		So I'm beginning to sort of conclude that Y2K could either be a catastrophic event, a non-event, or something anywhere in between.
		But anybody who doesn't realize at least the possibility that they could, for example, lose basic services and begin to act in at least minimal ways to protect themselves and their families, they're out of their minds.
		That's my view.
		International line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Michael from Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Philadelphia?
		Yeah.
		I can't take your call, Michael, on this line.
		We're on an international line.
		I don't know how you got through here.
unidentified		Oh, I guess I just lucked out.
unidentified		I couldn't get through on the other ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you shouldn't even be able to get through on this line.
unidentified		It Went right through on my cellular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, you're on a cellular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, since you somehow did it, what's on your mind?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I don't know if you saw it the other day, but they had here in the paper here in Philadelphia that the Fed was printing an additional $70 billion in currency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had heard $50 billion.
unidentified		No, I had it in the paper $70.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, $70.
		Well, they've upped the figure a little bit.
		CNN is running a survey that says 47% of the American people plan to go to the money, the bank of drawout money for Y2K.
unidentified		Yeah, I believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if 47% of the people do that, there is not enough money.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
unidentified		If everybody goes to withdrawal, this would be a big problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, just that percentage.
		Not everybody.
		47% of people with money in the bank.
unidentified		Oh, well, they don't have enough for that either, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		they don't and uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		one other thing so there's going to be some kind of massive Then there's going to have to be a massive PR campaign to calm people so that even if nothing else is wrong, we don't create our own worst nightmare.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you have something else?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, one other thing.
unidentified		The city of Philadelphia, they had a very small article in the paper here, and they said that they were buying generators just to be on the safe side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just to be on the safe side.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Interesting.
		Which, you know, if they're going to do that, they must have an idea of something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to agree with you.
		You know, when you see cities beginning to make investments like large generators, then you've got to ask yourself, what do they know?
		Because they don't go out and spend money just for grins.
		I mean, they know something.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		That's Philadelphia.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Artist.
unidentified		Paul in Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Paul.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two calls from Philadelphia right in a row.
unidentified		Yeah, it's pretty neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Yeah, hey, you know, I was thinking, you know, you're always saying you don't know, you know, if we live or die after we die, or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I don't know whether there is a continued existence, of course.
unidentified		Right.
		I want to say, well, two things I was thinking.
		One thing that I would suggest is that I think that a lot of times, you know, you struggle for an answer, like I hear you struggling.
		And I keep thinking that all you really need to do is to ask, like, consider that maybe God is there with you in your mind.
		And ask God and wait for an answer.
		Like, maybe you've done that already, I don't know.
		But I always find that if I just, if I ask and I wait, that I can generally find out what I want to know.
		I mean, it may take years, but it seems true to me that, and I mean, you know, like, it's real difficult if you figure like, you know, that you yourself or me and myself, we have to find the answer.
		And I think a lot of times it's just a question of waiting and seeing what happens.
		And that requires a certain amount of faith.
		And in the exercise of that faith, then the answer comes if you follow my drift.
		You see what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I follow your drift.
		And I'm going to be completely honest with you.
		I have had these moments with myself.
		and I have never received the kind of answer you're talking about.
unidentified		Well, it doesn't exactly...
		And as I say, it's taken me years to realize things, but I've said to God years ago, like, tell me what the truth is about life after death or whatever.
		And I feel like for myself, I've gotten answers.
		Like, for me, of course we exist.
		We exist forever, each of us.
		I mean, we may not, we may forget, just like we forget when we sleep, we forget what we dreamed, but here we are again.
		So I think that's really all it is, Art.
		And if there's a cycle to life, I think that cycle continues.
		And I think it's a good cycle.
		I think it's a good cycle.
		And I think that one of the scariest things is that whole idea that maybe it's really a bad cycle and we don't know it.
		And I think that all of us need to, you know, one of the ways to pray for the earth is to remember that things are can be put on a good cycle and they don't have to be thought of as a thing that we have to prevent the bad thing from happening.
		Because the way to prevent the bad thing from happening is to understand that things can be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, all I've got to offer is this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It better be true that a smaller number of people thinking positive thoughts all at once as a force can turn around what otherwise I see occurring.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Can I say one more thing real quick?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because if that's not true, we're toast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		The problem is that you watch the news all the time, and if I watch the news all the time, I'd feel just like you.
		But I'll tell you, so I appreciate that you do, but it must, I could imagine that.
		I mean, I feel like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to understand, it's my job to watch the news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
		And I'm ready for the times to get better I've got to tell you, I've been rocking my brain.
		Hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of this continuing.
		They're gonna set my soul, gonna set my soul on fire.
		Got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn.
		Get those things on fire.
		And I'm ready with the winner.
		They're all living in the devil may care.
		I'm just a devil with another spares song.
		Beaver, Lord Beggar.
		Beaver, Lord Beggar.
		How I wish that there were more than the 24 hours in the day.
		From the Kingdom of Nive, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just over the hill, it's all there.
unidentified		I'm gonna keep on the run, I'm gonna have me some money.
		It cost me my very last dime.
		If I wind up broke, well, I lost it.
		Always remember that.
		Yeah, that's our Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Kind of having a rough morning, actually.
		Such a good friend of mine gone.
		Literally, I got word a couple of minutes before I went on the air.
		And it's just something to really struggle with.
		I'm glad I had Chief Arville Lookinghorse here.
		Otherwise, I probably would have burdened you with talking about what I'm feeling because I can't seem to help it.
		John Pyre.
		Gone.
		Good friend of mine.
		Retired FBI agent.
		Really a good man.
		Family man.
		He leads a wife and children and lives across town.
		He was here yesterday afternoon, you know.
		He was vibrant, alive, well.
unidentified		And then boom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's gone.
		Massive heart attack.
		That's it.
unidentified		Gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what that should be for everybody, though you don't, you know, you feel my personal loss.
		And a lot of you have gone through this with family and friends.
		It's got to be a kind of a wake-up call that it's a very limited slot of time we have here.
		Indeed limited, and you're not going to know the moment when it's over.
		It is an interesting life, isn't it?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		I'm doing fine, thank you.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get good and close to the phone because you're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And turn your radio off.
unidentified		Radio's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		This is Paul.
		I'm listening on KWHN and Fort Smith.
		Yes, sir.
		And earlier you talked about changing the extension for websites to a certain designation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have .com for commercial sites, right?
		And .org for non-commercial sites.
		So why not .
unidentified		Well, there's a flaw with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
unidentified		And that is, say I have a personal homepage, and say I have pornography on it.
unidentified		That won't catch that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it will, because if you have pornography on your personal page, then you would be required by law to register as a triple X designation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, obviously, if you violated the law, that's your problem.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there is that hole in it, but basically, it's going to solve most of it.
unidentified		I mean, yeah, we think of a lot of sites out there that, you know, the big, you know, pay-for-porn and all that kind of stuff.
unidentified		But there are a myriad of sites out there, personal home pages, links from luxury manufacturers, a number of different places that all have links to those places that wouldn't be as prominent as some of the others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it's like anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you've got it on the site and you didn't register as you were required to by law, then you'd be in trouble.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just, it's not my idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is my webmaster's idea, Keith Rowland.
unidentified		He's pretty sharp, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm just waiting for a real hole.
		I mean, I understand what you're saying.
		Obviously, some people are always going to break the law.
unidentified		Right.
		What do you do about newsgroups and stuff like that?
		I mean, there's a whole nother hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		You're absolutely correct.
		Newsgroups, there's a problem.
unidentified		MTP site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you can pass any sort of digital material through any of these sites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can put them on newsgroups in certain kinds of files that can be decoded.
unidentified		Think about the creativity, those three guys that you had on that one night, the hacker guys.
		I mean, that's a pretty creative bunch, and there's a lot of folks out there like that.
		And if they're going to get into that kind of stuff, they're going to find a way one way or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've brought up a couple of very good holes, and I appreciate it.
		Thank you.
		He's right.
		What do you do about newsgroups?
		What do you do?
		Porn can be passed as all kinds of files and FTP sites.
		He's right about that, too.
		And all of this is Greek to people who don't know about computers.
		But he's really right.
		What the hell do we do about all of this?
		I'm honestly not sure.
		I know that we should do something, though.
		I don't think that children should have unlimited access to pornographic sites.
		And it's easy to say, well, the parents ought to control it, and sure they ought to.
		But let's recognize the reality of the world that we live in today.
unidentified		A lot of parents are working.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The kids are latchkey.
		They come home.
		There's the computer.
		And there you go.
		So, what do we do?
		I don't know.
		It is a society-wide consideration and problem that we've got to face.
		Or maybe we just throw up our hands and we say, There's the First Amendment.
		And anybody can write or do anything they want.
		And I'm a boy am I a staunch, firm believer in that.
		Except when it comes to children.
		Little children.
		You don't give them matches.
		You don't give them dynamite.
		You don't let them play with electricity that could kill them.
		You try and protect them in ways that only adults can know about, things that will get them killed or make them sick.
		Or in some way, you try and do something for the children.
		Protect them in some way.
		So, I don't know.
		I don't know.
		What do you do?
		You tell me.
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Would have been on the air.
		We missed you.
		Sorry about that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Hod.
		Good morning.
		I'm sorry to hear about your friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you.
unidentified		I hope that you don't grieve too much because he may be in a very good space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope that's right.
unidentified		He probably is.
		I wanted to speak about reincarnation for a moment.
		Is that possible?
		Yes.
		A couple of years ago, I had an opportunity to study documented medical journals from India.
		I've heard a couple of times on your show that people have made comments that there has been no definitive information, nothing really established information from any established source that documents actual reincarnation.
		But in India, medical journals, very highly acclaimed doctors, have done extensive medical journals of cases of reincarnation of children two, three years old who have complete memory of past lives in which they go and they check out the past lives because the wife and children is still alive.
		There have been actually also children coming out of the womb, speaking multiple languages right out of the womb.
		And as far as I'm concerned, I studied scores and scores of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know Stanton Friedman, the nuclear physicist that I have on from time to time?
unidentified		I don't know him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, you've heard him?
unidentified		Probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he talks about things that he puts in his gray basket.
		You know, meaning he's not exactly sure about it one way or the other.
		For me, the afterlife and even reincarnation, they're in that gray basket.
		I think reincarnation is an absolute possibility.
unidentified		I think it's an absolute fact.
		It's validated.
		It's documented journals.
		These men did extreme studies for years and years.
		If there's any other explanation how these children are able to realize the past and speak other dialects, that's more bizarre than reincarnation.
		And also, I wanted your statement on this little comment on this little statement.
		The destiny of eternity is determined moment by moment by the actions of your day-by-day living.
		Your acts of today is your destiny of tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		But that is why I am so concerned about our present path.
		Because most of the actions of today, and I'm afraid, tomorrow, are in the negative column.
		And it better be true that a few people concentrating on something good can have a lot more power than what I see going on right now spiritually in the world.
		Otherwise, as I told an earlier caller, we're toasts.
unidentified		Well, Lord, the light of one small candle casts away much darkness.
		And when the light of the sun comes up, there's no room for the darkness.
		It catches and dispels the darkness.
		And it's completely true that ten people of power, the full force, or even one individual of extreme powerful force, can override a million negative forces.
		I truly believe that.
		To me, it's factual.
		I wanted to ask you one question before you cut me off.
		I know you get tons and tons of mail.
		This is Armadeus, and I just wanted to know if you received my package that I sent you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Armadeus, thank you.
unidentified		And don't feel bad about your friends.
unidentified		You know, like in New Orleans, where they have a tendency to, when somebody passes away instead of mourning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They party.
unidentified		Yeah, and they do that because that elevates the soul.
		I had read some stuff.
		When John Lennon passed away, there was a great outpouring of love throughout the world.
		And I had read some stuff a week after he passed away.
		Now, I don't know if it's real or not, but it seemed very real.
		It was channeled material.
		And I'm neither here nor there with channeled material either.
		But in it, he gave specific messages to specific people.
		And he said, if it was Lenin actually channeling, he said that because of the outpouring of love throughout the world, he found himself in such an incredible space of being basically omnipresent and everywhere all at one time.
		And it was overwhelming to him.
		And that was because of the love that was put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, I've got to go, but I'll tell you, I would put that also in my gray basket.
		I have a great, big, gray basket.
		In fact, frankly, a lot of times that's all I've got is a big gray basket full of stuff.
		And I think that's how I'm able to weave my way through what I do on the air because I just don't know myself about these things.
		I can't absolutely commit to something that I can't absolutely prove, which is an absolutely terrible position to be in.
		So don't envy me at all.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		My condolences for your friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		That's really sad to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		I was wondering if you had thought about bringing up the time traveler line again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you're not sure, you know I'll do that.
unidentified		Have you heard from Single 7 recently?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I've not had a line Open for time travelers recently, either.
unidentified		Yeah, because I was just going through your website, and by the way, my compliments to Keith Rowland.
unidentified		He's just done an amazing job with your site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has.
unidentified		He's a really, really great webmaster.
unidentified		I'm not sure where you find anybody else like him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you have any thoughts on this big - there's a big thing in front of the Supreme Court right now about Internet porn.
unidentified		Internet porn, yes.
unidentified		I'm a net junkie myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, then good.
		What do you think about this?
		I mean, on the one side, we have all these children who are getting on computers as soon as they can reach a mouse.
		And on the other hand, we have the First Amendment, and we have all of this stuff uncontrolled on the net.
		You know it as well as I do.
		It's all over the place.
unidentified		Oh, I know it.
unidentified		Believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the freedom?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Children.
unidentified		I think there's a fine line in there.
		I think that children will find anything that they're able to, no matter what.
		Because as you said, there are people who break the law.
		And I think that the XXX idea is very good.
		And I think that would be a great idea.
		And it would make software a lot easier to cut off.
		I mean, they have that now for MSIE and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the parents at least could take what browsers they have and restrict them from those designations.
unidentified		Well, they try to do it now.
		I think.
		I'm not sure how well it works.
		I've never needed to do it because I live by myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it works very well because the domains are not separated.
unidentified		Yeah, that's the problem.
		As you said, you get all these personal websites and things like that.
		But I think the XXX idea would definitely work.
		It would definitely make things easier.
		The newsgroups and the FTP sites, well, chances are that if you have children in the house, I don't think that if you don't want them to have access to newsgroups, you can simply not install a newsgroup program on your system or password protect it, in my opinion.
		As far as FTP sites go, usually they're just IP addresses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
		Thank you.
		That's a pretty good thought.
		I mean, the XXX idea is the best I've heard yet.
		And there are always holes in everything.
		And I'll tell you what, some of the response I've had is, well, the government would keep special watch on the XX domains.
		But I don't think so.
		Not any more than they do now.
		If the government wants to look at a certain site on the internet, you know damn well they do it.
		Right?
		And there are so many triple X sites that I think they would have no more interest in monitoring the activities of these sites than they have presently.
		That isn't to say they don't have interest.
		I just don't think that it would dramatically increase or change in any way if there was a triple X domain.
		Think I almost got through an entire night without interrupting myself, and then at the last possible moment, did myself in.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Greg in St. Louis on the big 550K TRF.
		I spoke to you recently about my satellite project idea for deep space to modify the climate.
		Do you recall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were talking about basically the shield, right?
unidentified		Yeah, well, it would be like a big, large, flat window, sort of.
unidentified		I call it a weather window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The only turn off your radio, first of all.
		Listen, let me tell you, several people responded to what you said.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they said, well, this has already been thought of, and the problem is that you would have to be so close to the source of the sun, the light, the heat, that nothing we know of now could withstand it.
unidentified		So close to the sun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So it would make it a smaller size?
		Well, I was thinking something maybe about four times the distance of the moon out, but it would be very lightweight, plastic components and all.
		And very easy to assemble and low cost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you punching?
unidentified		Also, I forgot to tell you a couple of things about the idea.
		I did send it to the appropriate science committees in Washington.
		And Senator Frist, I haven't got a response from him yet, but Congressman Sensenbrenner heads the House Science Committee.
		they wrote back they wrote back that uh...
		that uh...
		the environmental impact study cost would be too hard to committee couldn't finance it themselves nasa What do you mean?
		I am.
		I'm at work.
		I'm in a convenience store.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		I got a problem with a pones here.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen.
		The program is ending, sir, and we don't have time anyway to finish this.
		The man has an idea which may have merit.
		I really don't know.
		When he said it the first time, I thought it had merit, and I still do.
		Now, the criticism was that whatever it was would have to be too close to the sun.
		He's essentially talking about a filter, something that would filter sunlight, just in case we really get into trouble with the ozone, which we could be doing at the moment.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		How are you?
		I'm okay.
		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		I did.
unidentified		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sacramento.
unidentified		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		At KST.
		Yes.
		I just thought about this, you running over yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no hope.
unidentified		No, wait a minute.
unidentified		One of you have got to move out of the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's just no hope.
unidentified		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, sir, and good night to everybody and John, wherever you are right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I will always remember you as I saw you yesterday, and I treasure the fact that I did.
unidentified		Life ain't it something, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For now, that's all there is from the high desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I may go have a good stiff drink.

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