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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Psychic Joseph DeLouise

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 11th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be, and welcome to a brand new week.
		I'm Art Bell, and from the Tahitian Islands, the Hawaiian Islands, West, East Britain, the Caribbean, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, South into South America, north, all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet, courtesy of broadcast.com and the geniuses of Dallas, Thank YouBroadcast.com.
		This, of course, is Postam.
		And I'm Mark Bell.
		And it's going to be an interesting night, to be sure.
		In the next hour, we're going to interview Joseph DeLouise.
		In 1997, American Woman Magazine named him as one of the country's top ten psychics.
		That doesn't mean we do readings.
		I never do readings for people.
		But in terms of predictive capability on major events and a discussion of what it is that psychics do in the first place, Joseph Deloise is one of the nation's best, and we'll have him on here and see how he does what he does.
		Well, as you know, or just heard, last week we had Joseph Hermage on, and I think, but I do believe we were the first.
		And lo and behold, the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper, which boasts right there below the title Northern California's Largest Newspaper, had on its front page the headline, Silicon Wizard Quits Over UFO Views.
		Technology Gift of Aliens, CEO believes.
		Mr. Hermage, of course, is a very articulate gentleman, as you found out on the program the other evening.
		And he is complaining with good cause about the media.
		Welcome to the world, Joseph.
		I've been complaining for a long time about the media.
		I've dealt with them, and I've found that about most of the time they don't report things accurately.
		Or they report them the way they want them to read.
		You know, and in the case of the Firmage story, they're just going to have a field day.
		And the best thing that he can do is to get into the broadcast media, as in my program, as in wherever else he might appear, and tell his story without censorship, without agenda-driven editing, and all that kind of thing.
		So he's welcome back here anytime he would like.
unidentified		Now, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On my website, two really incredible, and I mean incredible photographs.
		Both of them sent to me and put on the website within the last hour or two.
		A photograph number one is unlike anything I've ever seen in my life.
		It was taken at an air show.
		You know, where they show off.
		And it caught a phantom jet breaking the sound barrier just above ground level.
		The photographer caught that one in a million shot of the very instant that this phantom went through the sound barrier at an air show.
		And I have never in my life seen a photograph like it, never.
		And this is one you're going to want to go look at and put into your collection of holy smokes kind of pictures.
		That's picture number one.
		A phantom breaking the, and you can see the displacement of the air.
		It's incredible, actually.
		So you've got to see that.
		You've got to see it.
		And then the second photograph is kind of a question mark.
		This one's sent by somebody who says that they believe it is an actual photograph of an Air Force tunneling machine.
		Why Air Force?
		I don't know.
		But it does look like a tunneling machine.
		Now, I'm not saying that it is a tunneling machine.
		I'm saying that that's what the person who sent it to me said.
		And I've got to agree, it kind of looks like it.
		Now, it could be some rocket test motor or something, but it's right up there against the mountain.
		It's really...
		But if it is a tunneling machine, I'll tell you what.
		It looks like something out of Journey to the Center of the Earth.
		And of course, many of us wonder if the Tao's hum and other hums, things heard vibrating the earth, are not somebody's machine, just like the one in this photograph.
		Now, that's an amazing photograph.
		You take a look, and you tell me, you tell me what it is.
		Now, let's examine the regular World One's.
		All right?
		What is the lead item, would you guess?
		Probably the impeachment and trial coming trial of the president.
		Right?
		Wrong.
		It is Bulls Jordan to retire, Chicago.
		Michael Jordan, regarded as the greatest player in NBA history, will announce his retirement from the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday.
		That's the lead story.
		And while Michael Jordan, indeed, certainly I think he has been the best player in the NBA, not that I'm a basketball fan, I'm not sure it ranks above the impeachment of the President of the U.S. But, well, anyway.
		As senators prepare for Thursday's barrage of opening arguments in the impeachment trial, the President and House Republicans presented documents outlining radically different views of the case.
		Now, the only questions I have are, will they call witnesses?
		Will we hear Monica and Bill?
		And will this all be broadcast or not?
		If it is broadcast, what kind of ratings will it get?
		Pretty high, I suspect.
		Pressure to broadcast, pretty high, I suspect.
		And from the AP itself, last year, they affirm, was the hottest year on record, according to NASA, who says rising temperatures are evidence that the world is heating up.
		Wow, what a surprise.
		So they finally officially announced that.
		In my old alma mater, a KENI in Anchorage, I have received message after message, and then the Anchorage Daily News printed the following.
		A brilliant flash, an earth-shaking boom, noticed by thousands of Alaskans late Friday.
		As a matter of fact, I broke into a very important show we were doing and gave you those messages as they began to come in.
		Guess what?
		It was either a meteor, or they don't know.
		They always say a meteor when they don't know.
		Donald Martins, an astronomy professor at the University of Alaska Anchorage, wasn't lucky enough to see the object that streaked blue, green, and red across the south-central Alaskan sky, but based on witness accounts, Martins and other scientists believe the flash came from a meteor or comet fragment,
		or comet fragment, probably the size of a pumpkin that exploded about 50 miles above the Earth's surface.
		Now, there is one thing, 50 miles, now that that must be some explosion because they recorded a 2.2 magnitude earthquake.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, did they record a real earthquake?
		Or did they record the shockwave produced by the explosion?
		And why are we to believe that it is a meteor?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder what kind of kilotonnage they would assign to an explosion of this size.
		Yeah, kilotonnage.
		Very, very, very interesting.
		Bering Sea changes are baffling scientists.
		Seems white-sided dolphins, just one sign of an unusual change in the Bering Sea.
		Marine biologists there are now puzzled by a series of abnormal conditions which have affected the Bering Sea between Alaska and Siberia during the last two summers.
		Now listen, the changes observed include extreme die-offs of seabirds, rare algae blooms, abnormally warm water temperatures, and very low numbers of salmon.
		Almost half of the USA's fish comes from the Bering Sea.
unidentified		You know, a lot of people sit out there and say, oh, who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About half of the fish we eat come from the Bering Sea.
		The commercial value of the catch is about a billion dollars a year, so this is a non-trivial matter.
		The cause, no matter what you may have heard, of a virus that killed six greyhounds at a dog track in St. Petersburg, Florida, remains a mystery.
		They don't know what it is.
		They call it coughing sickness.
		But six dogs are dead, four others are critically ill.
		And all they can say is there is clearly something else happening to these dogs.
		That's not interesting.
		What do you suppose that might be?
		And then somebody sent me this.
		No, I hadn't heard it, or only rumors of it aren't.
		But check this out.
		Libertarians blast Congress for spending $23 million to develop an anti-drug killer fungus.
		The U.S. government is spending $23 million to develop a killer fungus to wipe out marijuana plants.
		A dangerous plan that could cause an environmental catastrophe, said the Libertarian Party today.
		This project is the political equivalent of athlete's foot fungus.
		It's nasty, dangerous, needs to be stopped before it spreads, said the Libertarian National Director.
		Last thing we need is a bioengineered killer fungus loose on the world.
		Boy, do I agree with that?
		So they're going to try to make a fungus to kill marijuana.
		To murder marijuana where it sits in the fields, in the various little cubby holes where it's being grown, in Kentucky and Tennessee, where the farmers grow.
		California where everybody grows it.
unidentified		Now, one more thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is simply labeled an interesting concept.
		I think I'll do this after the break.
		It is an interesting concept.
		It's one I had years ago.
		People who have listened for a long time will certainly recognize what I'm about to read.
		but this person has, how to put it, taken it to completion.
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		We've got Robert in Houston.
		There's this lady that I've seen about four or five times in my lifetime.
		She's tall and skinny.
		She had on some tight blue jeans, some Indian moccasins.
		She had on a rainbow-striped poncho and a laflop hat.
		I saw this woman when I was about eight or nine.
		I saw her again.
		I was living in Dallas, Texas.
		I was on the bus and she was standing outside.
		Did she look like she aged?
		No.
		And here's the crazy thing.
		About five years ago, me and two of my brothers, we all went on a cruise to St. Thomas down in the bridge.
		Oh, no, don't tell me.
		We got on one of these little chicken buses, and my brothers, he said, see that lady over there?
		He said, we saw that lady in Jacksonville.
		Last November, my brother died.
		He had surgery.
		He had woke up.
		He was getting ready to eat his breakfast and everything.
		And he said, oh, he said, I got to get off the phone.
		He said, I got company.
		He said, you know the lady we saw down in St. Thomas?
		He said, she's sitting over there in the chair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said, let me talk to her.
unidentified		I'll call you back.
		15 minutes later, my niece called back.
		He was dead.
		She's dead.
		She was dead.
		Great story.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 11, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time Now, one more little item here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember how I've always said that the cycle of life seems wrong to me?
		That it's always seemed to me that you should not be born, have a carefree childhood, become a young adult, then an adult, then an old person, then die.
		That it seems to me a proper sequence would be exactly the reverse of that.
		And somebody has actually written it up in an email entitled An Interesting Concept.
		And it echoes what I've been saying all these years.
		Here it is.
		An interesting concept.
		The most unfair thing about life is the way it ends.
		I mean, life is tough.
		It takes up a lot of your time.
		And what do you get at the end of it?
unidentified		Death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that a bonus?
		I think the life cycle is all backwards.
		You should die first.
		Get it out of the way.
		Then you live first in an old age home.
		Then you're kicked out when you're too young.
		You get a gold watch.
		You go to work.
		You work 40 years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement.
		Ah, key phrase.
		Until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement.
		You do drugs, alcohol, party.
		You get ready for high school.
		You go to grade school.
		You become a kid.
		You play.
		You have no responsibilities.
		You finally become a little baby.
		Go back into the womb.
		Spend your last nine months floating.
		and finish the whole thing off as an orgasm.
unidentified		I Ah, so eloquent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to keep this one.
		But that does somehow make more sense to me.
		All right.
		To the phones.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		I've been trying to get a hold of you for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you have me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in, oh, sadly, Omaha, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you sad about it?
unidentified		Let's not go into that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What you were just talking about, I call it for another reason, but what you were just talking about amazes me because so often I hear you talking about something that has affected me in one way or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And which one was that?
unidentified		Well, you're talking about the progression of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		And keep in mind, please, I do have something else I want to say.
		But I was just wondering, this might not explain deja vu.
		That perhaps we are going in that direction.
		We just haven't explained Time properly enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but there are unmistakable signs that we do progress from young to old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the greatness, the disintegration of organs, that sort of thing.
unidentified		Um, the real reason I called, yes.
		Oh, geez, I'd say about fifteen, sixteen years ago, I was uh contemplating numerology and number six six six.
		Where am I come from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Um, the old days, I guess.
unidentified		I don't know, I don't know what the old days are, way back when.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, all you gotta do is read the Bible a little time.
unidentified		Yeah, well, one letter at a time, I mean there's three letters in the word.
unidentified		Um, and fox comes up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fox?
unidentified		Yes, uh, six, six, six.
		When you combine, I mean, fox is what, the sixth letter?
		Oh, is like, uh, I forgot how far that is, but it did, it transgresses down to six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that's, see, no, no, that's too much of a leap for me.
		I appreciate your call, but um, you can't, it seems to me just one letter is six.
		I mean, if you assign, I mean, number, if you assign a number to each letter of the alphabet, it's three sixes.
		Right?
unidentified		But we know what it really is, don't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All you have to do is read.
		All right, we'll take a break here at the bottom of the hour and come back and do more of, well, who knows what.
		I'm Ardell.
		This is Coast to Coast.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
		Oh, baby, don't hold me this way, no.
		I can't expect you now.
		I've surely missed your tender care.
		Don't leave me this way.
		Oh, baby, my heart is overblown for you.
		Now let's do what you gotta do.
		You burn it fire down in my bowl.
		Look at you see it's burning, I can't talk.
		Come back, fine, I need it.
		Come back, fine, I need it.
		Come back, fine, I need it.
		Come back, fine, I need it.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 11th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is sort of an interesting story, I think.
		Childless couples now in America are placing advertisements in newspapers serving Ivy League universities, all in the hopes that a female student will sell them eggs, likely to produce highly intelligent babies.
		Gone now are the days when childless couples simply want a baby, any baby, now it's got to be super baby.
		Some of the advertisements are kind of interesting.
		One reads, desperately seeking smart, sensitive, sunny Samaritan.
		We are alumni looking for a donor match.
		A lovely, light-eyed lady with a quick, sharp laugh, wit, and a lot of warmth, a must.
		Another ad states, loving, infertile couple is seeking compassionate woman, 21 to 31 years old, to help us have a baby.
		Be wonderful if she was five feet, five inches or taller.
		Caucasian, slim, dark hair, intelligent, conic.
		Although our gratitude cannot be measured in dollars, there's $7,500 plus expenses in it for you.
		So somehow they managed to measure in dollars.
		Super baby.
		That's what we're going to have now.
		You know, what if it turns out, though, that those who are in Yale are not necessarily so super?
		Well, I'd have to change the ad.
unidentified		Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Are you convinced that there are governments above governments?
		Governments that we don't vote for.
		Governments that are controlling presidents or prime ministers or leaders of other nations?
		There's no doubt there were two governments.
		There's the provisional government and the permanent government.
		And every once in a while you have a charade called an election.
		Presidents come and go, but they're there, and they just keep on keeping on, as it were.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 11, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time By the way, tonight's secret numbers are 6, 4, and 2.
		That's tonight's secret numbers from Millennium Master Bell.
		6, 4, and 2.
		You know, I not just anybody out there should try and decipher what all this means.
		You just shouldn't do it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Thad from Heston, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		I'm pretty good.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on KFH 1330.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Home of Dorothy.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		I just wanted to make a statement about the government wanting to kill all the marijuana plants.
		Yes.
		That statement just about brought me to tears.
		I think that I'm in high school, I'm a senior, and I think basically that marijuana is about as American as apple pie.
		And I mean, it's the single most joyful thing that we have around here in this small town, besides listening to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's, according to you, what Wichita, what Wichita gets through the night with.
unidentified		Yeah, they.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what worries me is that they will come up with this fungal something or another, and they'll go after marijuana and end up getting carrots or something.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow you just know it's going to get out of hand.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, but it might end up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think of it this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't God put marijuana, as well as every other plant and animal, here for a reason?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you're a creationist, then you've got to figure it that way.
		If you're not, then nature arranged everything so-so for a certain reason.
		And every time we go about changing that, as in eradicating something entirely, it's fooling around with Mother Nature, and she's going to kick us in the butt once again.
		Are you brother Art?
unidentified		Hallelujah.
		Okay, well, thanks a lot.
		I mean, we liked your show down here in Heston and in Wichita area, and keep up the good work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much, and take care.
		Yeah, you know, it's just abnormal.
		It's a word I love, abnormal, abynormal.
		It's definitely abnormal to be messing around with what was put here either by nature or God or both, however you want to look at it.
		Marijuana has a purpose.
		I don't know what it is, but it's here for a reason, and who are we to make judgment that it should be eradicated forever by designing a weapon to use against it?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a good idea.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was wondering when you was going to hear from Matt Drudge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Matt, I imagine, will break his story when he breaks it, and I don't think he's broken it yet, and I think I know what the story is, too.
unidentified		You do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think I do.
unidentified		I was going to say, it's been about a couple of weeks now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I am about to tell you is hearsay only, all right?
		But I've got a message which sounds like it might be what Drudge is on to.
		I'm not sure that that is true, but it might be.
		There is a rumor that AIDS-tainted blood came out of Arkansas several years ago and went to Canada.
		You with me?
		And I think that's what he's on to.
		I'm not sure about that.
		That's my guess.
		Thank you.
		I've got a number of sources myself, as you might imagine.
		And my sources tell me that the story is that AIDS of tainted blood came out of Arkansas and went to Canada, and that there is going to be a gigantic scandal about it.
		See, it's not exactly political, and that's why I thought it might fit what Matt was talking about.
		But it certainly would be explosive.
		Anyway, I'm not sure.
		That's just a...
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Cheerio.
		Good morning and all that.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		It's Dee from Vancouver calling, listening to you on 1410 C Fund.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ZFon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was actually calling in for three reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three?
unidentified		Three, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I was how you'd be interested in the political cartoon that was in the province yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What pretell was it?
unidentified		It was about the two things that Clinton is most worried about with the impeachment, the two questions on his mind.
		The first one was, will there be witnesses called?
		And the second one was, whether or not he could bring a date.
		I knew you'd enjoy that.
		And also, I was going to mention the thing with the fungal idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It also sounds very much like what Ed Davis was talking about as well.
		And that could possibly be...
		Yeah, I know.
		Also, if that agent is currently around and you introduce another one, the chances of those two pathogens can be missing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of unhappy mixture.
		Yeah, I know.
		That's what I was talking about.
		I mean, we are messing in areas where we ought not be messing.
		That's all there is to it.
		And if we really go after an entire species of plant, then something nasty is going to happen.
		Mother Nature is not going to like that.
		All right, thank you very much for the call.
		So something else will happen.
		And I don't have a clue what it would be.
		You know, something else will suddenly appear.
		Some new nasty plant that eats babies or something.
		You know, who knows?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is, my name's Lonnie.
unidentified		I'm calling from Miami, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Lonnie.
unidentified		Yeah, I've been listening to your show for the past eight or nine months.
unidentified		I enjoy it very much driving around here at night all over South Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your mind still is basically intact?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I think it's much better now than it was before, actually.
		I've learned so many things.
		You were talking about AIDS, taint, and blood a few minutes ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I was.
unidentified		I heard the other day on another show that AIDS may have been created for population control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is, in fact, testimony that was given either in the House of the Senate, I can't recall now, in which a scientist, a genetic scientist, was asked if something that would destroy the human immune system could be created and vectored like a virus.
		And the answer was yes.
		Now, that was a long, long time ago.
		And you've got to wonder why they were asking questions like that.
		Lester the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I've got a couple of questions for you.
		First of all, I believe that I have heard the name Dr. Nick Begich on your program.
		Is that so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've interviewed Dr. Begich, oh, I'll bet you, six or eight times.
unidentified		What is he about?
unidentified		What's his field of interest?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The good doctor mainly has been interested in HAARP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I had him on the air for for the most part, the HARP project in Alaska.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, I understand he recently, I think, entered the political arena and may be running for governor or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that.
unidentified		That's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the main reason I had him on the air was because of HARP.
unidentified		And he's up in Alaska, isn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he wrote a book called Angels Don't Play That Harp.
unidentified		That's who wrote that book.
		Yep.
		Okay, I've heard of the book.
		That must have been where I heard the name.
		The other thing that I want to ask, I saw something in the sky the other night, and it's not like anything that I've ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Denver, okay.
unidentified		And I saw this thing, and it was huge, but it's not like any description that I've ever heard anybody give of a UFO before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, describe it.
unidentified		It was a sort of a peach-colored light in the center, and it radiated out to a golden-yellow kind of light.
		And it was huge.
		It was up above a street lamp, and it was about two times the size of the street light.
		And it was there for just a split second.
		It bleeped in, and then it bleeped right back out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of anything like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		The answer is yes.
		Now, thank you.
		Bleeped in and bleeped out.
		There are a lot of people now who lean toward the theory that craft or beings from another dimension occasionally, in effect, blink in and blink out of this one.
		And you certainly cannot rule out that possibility.
		In fact, the people who constantly argue that no alien could ever get here because of the speed of light restrictions, you know, you can't travel faster than the speed of light.
		And so, yes, there are probably inhabited planets elsewhere, civilizations, but they could never get here because it would take too long.
		The people who lean toward that argument ought to be leaning toward the possibility of multi-dimensions as the answer to what some people think of as space travelers.
		Because there's so much evidence.
		Now, let's see.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Let me turn you down over here, bud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, do that.
unidentified		Hey, you guys, Professor here in Columbus, Georgia.
unidentified		Good to talk to you again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good to talk to you.
unidentified		Hey, look, I wanted to talk to you about the Masonic Lodge.
		You know, I just happen to be sitting here reading Sandeo's book, and something I've long thought I just found.
		I'm reading The Cosmic Conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		The one he updated in 92.
unidentified		Do you have a copy of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do somewhere.
unidentified		Do you read it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did I read it?
		Do you mean?
		Yeah, I think I did read some of it, actually.
unidentified		You know, you can pick up any section of this book right now and find that it parallels many things going on today.
		It's absolutely amazing.
		I love the guy.
		He's one of the friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Sam Dale is amazing.
unidentified		Yeah, he's one of my best friends.
		And the other day I talked to him about something.
		He said he'd write the Ford to my book.
		Bless his heart.
		But anyway, I've got some very interesting news that I'll share with you one day.
		But right now, I've got to write it down somewhere.
		Very interesting, though, Art.
		It'll be right up your alley.
		What I wanted to talk to you about is the Mason thing.
		The other night I couldn't find my dog-eared copy of Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, but I did find a book by an ex-32nd-degree Mason where he's got a lot of the quotes right out of it, and I'm pretty sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but all right, here's my problem.
		I interviewed a 32nd degree Mason the other day, and there are quite a few 32nd-degree masons.
		And I'm not saying that there is anything at all to this whole Masonic whatever it is.
		But I did ask a question that stopped him cold.
		I said, look, you're denying anything that we've been discussing where my guest was at the time about Masons, and that's fine.
		But you're a 32nd-degree Mason, and you have already just told me that a 33-degree Mason, 33rd degree Mason, is given a lot of very special secret knowledge.
		And you being only a 32nd, how can you not know that when you get to be a 33rd, you get all of this knowledge?
		And he had to admit, well, yeah, might be.
		He could not possibly know.
		He's only a 32nd.
		But that's not to say that there's anything to any of it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Hello there, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi, Fritz.
unidentified		Arts, there's a journalistic ambush against you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding, Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been that way since I've been on the air all my public.
unidentified		Well, let's go back to November 19.
unidentified		I told you that Jonathan and Rabbit, the alien in the freezer, is nothing but a silly hoax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember you told me that.
unidentified		And I also told you there would be a national television exposure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you, of course, are referring to the Fox hoax program.
unidentified		I would say the self-appointed spin meister of the hoax files, Bob Keviat, is behind it.
		They want to show how the public is very easy and Billy Seniting to hear.
		And they're setting you up.
		That's my feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not setting me up, Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't be set up.
unidentified		Well, watch the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I already saw the show.
unidentified		Well, the new one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have another one?
unidentified		Well, there's a part two coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, part two is coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Fritz, it's okay.
		Don't worry.
		You're always worrying about me.
		They can't set me up, Fritz, because all I've got is an open forum.
unidentified		Well, the alien they created on those fantastic pictures they created over in Fox Studio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		That's what it makes those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so, huh?
unidentified		I have a feeling.
		I mean, two and two is four.
		It's this simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I knew that you would be real down on Kiviot because of what he said about Billy Meyer.
unidentified		But that's just about Billy Meyer, but the whole thing, the way he's using the approach, I mean, he's just totally wrong.
		And the other amateur cough, you know, that team is a joke.
		Well, let's watch show number two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when's it going to be on?
unidentified		Well, my guess is in about a month or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a month or two.
		All right.
		Well, we've got plenty of time.
		Thank you, Fritz.
		Yeah, that's a good thing about doing what I do, and that is nobody can really set me up because I'll air anything.
		I'll air anything, and I'll always disclaim it the way I do.
		I air what's interesting.
		I don't warranty any of it to be true.
		Period.
		So what are they going to say?
		What can they say?
		I just treat you as adults.
		And when there's something interesting to run, I run it and I let you decide as adults whether what you're hearing is entertaining, baloney, or sounds like the Holy Grail to you.
		You know, that one's up to you.
		That's my attitude about it, so I never get set up.
		First time caller line, you are upon the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is Tim listening to the Mighty 1190 KES.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Portland, yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I don't know if you heard, but I have a geological update for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Geological?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Mount er, you know Mount St. Helen's Blue, what, 1980?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it was 80, yeah.
unidentified		And Mount Hood this morning has had 25 earthquakes.
unidentified		And the biggest one was 3.2 on the Richter scale, and there's a lot of aftershocks to go with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, from what they said, most of the earthquakes were really deep, so it sounds like magma is moving underneath.
		Not just the surface earthquakes.
		So you never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		You never know.
		What kind of position would you be in where you are if Hood blew its cookies?
unidentified		I wouldn't be talking to you on the phone anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't?
unidentified		Mount Hood is about 40 to 50 miles east of Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever But the way they knew that an atomic bomb went off in New York was that they were talking to this guy in New York City, and they could hear this high-squealed sound when the phone melted.
		And that's how they knew a nuclear device had gone off in New York City.
		And just in case Hood does go, I can only hope that you're able to get through.
		Well, do you hear that sound your phone just made?
unidentified		Yeah, my phone's going dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it is?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better your phone than you.
		So anyway, if you were on the line when Mount Hood went, it would be very cool to listen.
		So try to get through if it seems to be going.
unidentified		Yeah, actually, I don't know if you'd hear anything because when Mel St. Helen flew up, a lot of people in Idaho, Montana over there could hear it.
		We couldn't.
		We're in an airplane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we'd hear something.
		I mean, your phone melting something.
		We will be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 11th, 1999.
		I have been on the hair above my head.
		Oh, sweet to me now.
		My heart is on fire.
		My hold like a wheel that's turning.
		My love is eternal.
		My love is eternal.
		Why would you go take pain of this strength just for me?
		Why take a fear to press up my sleep?
		It's my free heart.
		Just to let my fear, I know, I feel like I'm in the bed.
		Rebecca Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired January 11, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in a moment, we are going to be speaking with Joseph DeLouise, who is one of the nation's greatest psychics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you all about him.
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		There's this lady that I've seen about four or five times in my lifetime.
		She's tall and skinny.
		She had on some tight blue jeans, some Indian moccasins.
		She had on a rainbow-striped poncho and a laflop hat.
		I saw this woman when I was about eight or nine.
		I saw her again.
		I was living in Dallas, Texas.
		I was on the bus and she was standing outside.
		Did she look like she aged?
		No.
		And here's the crazy thing.
		About five years ago, me and two of my brothers, we all went on a cruise to St. Thomas down in the bridge.
		Oh, no, don't tell me.
		We got on one of these little gymnasts, and my brother, he said, see that lady over there?
		I said, we saw that lady in Jacksonville.
		Last November, my brother died.
		He had surgery.
		He had woke up.
		He was getting ready to eat his breakfast and everything.
		And he said, oh, he said, I got to get off the phone.
		He said, I got company.
		He said, you know the lady we saw down in St. Thomas?
		He said, she's sitting over there in the chair.
		He said, let me talk to her, and I'll call you back.
		15 minutes later, my niece called back.
		He was dead.
		She's dead.
		She was deaf.
		Great story.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 11, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		From the Mind Perfection Institute now in Chicago comes Joseph DeLoise.
		American Woman Magazine September 97 issue named Joseph DeLouise as one of the country's top 10 psychics.
		Joseph is nationally known as a parapsychologist, is one of the world's most accurate clairvoyants, has astounded thousands with his predictions that are seemingly beyond belief, that is, until they materialize.
		In fact, no psychic in modern history has possessed the ability to look through the window of time with such amazing accuracy as Joseph DeLoise.
		Some of his predictions include the country's worst bridge disaster, the collapse of the Ohio River Bridge, killing 57, the Chicago IC train crash killing 37.
		The first was 57 actually on the bridge and then 37 here with the train.
		The Kennedy-Mary Joe Copechny tragedy.
		The Sharon Tate murder clues leading to the arrest of Charlie Manson.
		The raging California floods, the assassination of Anwar Sadat, the Black Monday stock market crash of 87, the tearing down of the Berlin Wall, and the recent prediction of the 1998 skyrocketing stock market.
		In 1997, he received the prestigious honor of being recognized in Who's Who in America, in one of America, well, actually, as one of America's most outstanding clairvoyants.
		He has been acclaimed for his predictions, which have appeared in the Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun-Times, Palm Beach Sun, Los Angeles Herald-Examiner, front page of the Wall Street Journal, and Reuters News Service.
		Articles on De Louise have been printed in magazines, including Newsweek, People, and, of course, all of the tabloids.
		He has appeared on hundreds of radio and TV shows, like Johnny Carson, David Suskine, Merv Griffin, Terry Savage.
		DeLouise is the country's only psychic-registered financial advisor.
		His book, Psychic Mission, is based on his life and accomplishments.
		Here is Joseph DeLoise.
		That's quite a life, Joseph.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to hire you as my PR man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I did was read your PR stuff, so whatever you've got is good.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever I got, let's say I got publicity on that.
		And some of the things, you know, happened so long ago that people forgot.
		You know, the Sharon Pate case, the bridge disaster, and a bunch of other things that, you know, I got all my walls front page.
		You know, you've heard the story, if you can make the headlines and be famous for 15 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I mean, I've, like, been doing it over and over and over again, and it's hard for me to believe that I do these things.
		And they sort of come natural.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not big on doing pre-interviews.
		I don't like doing pre-interviews on the radio.
		I just don't Like it, but you were telling me during the little talk we did have that you think anybody can do this.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I believe that people can turn inwardly and develop the ability to be able to project their mind into the future and to see things.
		But I think what happens is that they don't believe it and they try to intellectualize it.
		You know, like I tell people, I want you to think what the weather's going to be on July the 15th, the year 1999.
		And of course they said, well, I don't know.
		You're not supposed to know.
		You're just supposed to see or supposed to feel what it's going to be.
		And then you write it down and you check it on a particular day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not everybody, nevertheless, Joseph does this.
		They don't.
		And there are various reasons for that.
		I think that people are caught up in everyday life.
		They don't have time for this kind of intellectual pursuit.
		And so, you know, they're busy.
		I mean, phones are ringing.
		They've got to go to work.
		They've got to do what they do every day in life.
		And so they don't have time for it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you don't sell anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say you don't sell anything, right?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I don't sell anything.
		I'm sort of deeply involved in religious work.
		You know, I'm getting to the age where as you get older, you start to think of what can I give back?
		You know, I gained all this publicity.
		Where is it really going to lead?
		Can I make more predictions?
		Of course.
		Do I want to?
		No, I really don't want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, the reason I don't want to, because I already know what's going to happen.
		And some of the things are good, some of the things are bad.
		And that I really don't need clients.
		When I say clients, because you know you're busy all day long, and I'm busy on the phone all day long.
		What am I going to do with people calling me up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have you done with them?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		What I do now is give them financial advice.
		Well, I give the financial advice because I'm an investment advisor and I'm registered, but I don't like to handle people's money.
		So I just give them what I feel and tell them to call me back in six months and see what's happening to their stock.
		And usually they'll call me back, and sometimes it goes up and they forget to get rid of it, and then it goes back down.
		What's going to happen?
		Of course, I keep getting feelings, you know, because the market's always going up and down.
		As soon as it goes down, it goes back up because there's a lot of money on the sideline right now.
		So I can predict that the market is going to keep going up, even though it'll take some deep dips.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean, are you predicting for what period of time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For $99 this year?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, this year.
		We'll see the market take a hit.
		And it could go down maybe a couple of thousand points.
		And then immediately it'll go back up because the big money's on the sideline ready to buy in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the big money is just waiting?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It's waiting.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There's billions of dollars out there waiting to come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't see tragedy for the stock market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just see sort of a correction, I guess you would call that, at the levels we're at now.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was one day where 2,000 points would have been the end.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		But I think even 3,000 and 4,000 is not the end.
		It's just a temporary correction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some would say an opportunity.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Big money will be coming in, and there's a lot of people that will get out.
		And I always tell them to get out in April or May and get back in when the market goes down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		Buy low, sell high.
		Right.
		That's the way it's supposed to be.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But most people, you know, then they call me up.
		Well, I've got to pay the taxes.
		Well, listen, if you made some money, what's wrong with paying the taxes?
		That's what keeps the government going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a lot of complaints about that myself, but I pay them.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There's greed out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way I've felt about it is I've done a lot of travel, Joseph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been around the world a few times, and what we have here is so good that it's worth what taxes we do pay.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even if it's terribly painful.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should see what the taxes are in England.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I've got a couple of relatives up there, and I mean, you know, they're really steep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have clean streets, though.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have clean streets.
		They've got everybody working, and they won't allow anybody else to come in just for a visa of a week or a month or six months.
		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is, in other areas, though, other than financial, there's a lot of really interesting stuff going on.
		Worrisome stuff with the environment, that sort of thing.
		Do you ever look ahead at where we're headed with the environment and earth changes and that kind of stuff?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I feel.
		I feel the people have polluted the planet.
		And the same people who polluted the planet are going to clean it up.
		There's going to be a lot of work out there for cleaning up the environment.
		Regardless if it's this year or next year, what we create will undo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right about there being plenty of work.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There's plenty of work out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read a story last hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. government is spending $20 million to develop a fungal agent that will kill all the marijuana in the world.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Don't drive people crazy, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm serious.
		I'm really serious.
		They're doing it.
		And I've got this feeling that, well, I don't know.
		Maybe we can talk about it.
		To me, marijuana, along with other plants and trees and stuff that's here on Earth, was put here, depending on your point of view, by a creator or as a matter of nature.
		In other words, for some reason or another, it's supposed to be here.
		And I'm not sure it's our job, as human beings, to completely eradicate any particular plant or animal from the face of the earth because we decide to.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you get rid of the marijuana or the weed or whatever you Want to call it, it'll kill something else, also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I think.
		Or something else will be born that we will like even less.
		Probably.
		Who knows?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I only know one thing: some countries that allow people to have drugs and marijuana, they got more control of the people.
		People that do smoke marijuana are a little on the passive side.
		And, you know, I can predict or meet people that smoke it two, three times, four times a week.
		I can predict that it's going to be hard for them to be successful because, number one, they're passive.
		They're escaping.
		Right now, you know what just happened?
unidentified		What?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		My black cat is sitting on my notes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your black cat is sitting on your notes.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I got a beautiful black cat with a little white spot.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		She just snuck in when I opened the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have three cats.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I got four.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Four, I would have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've outdone me.
		But I don't let them in the studio, and that's exactly why, because cats like notes.
		They like paper.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if there's a little square, a cat will go immediately over to it and sit in the little square.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's your notes.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I really can't do anything without her.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		She is the most beautiful cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's either that or it's a sign that you shouldn't be on the air.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		What?
		Are you superstitious?
		You're starting to believe?
		You know.
		That's another thing I want you to know.
		Belief can kill you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet it can.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, because number one, belief, regardless if it's real or make-belief, it's in your head.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people out there that believe certain things that somebody could put a curse on or do something, and because they believe it, they open themselves up to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's how witchcraft or magic works.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or voodoo.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But the point is, you have to believe it before it works.
		It doesn't work.
		Otherwise, I would have been dead a long time ago.
		A lot of people would love to have got rid of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't believe in any of that for one second.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I believe it's there, and I believe it's the person's belief that causes the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm talking about you personally.
		In other words, you don't believe it.
		You said if you did, you'd have been dead long ago.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I thought people would have killed me.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they've tried?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course they tried.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But it makes a person who's tuned in spiritually actually stronger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would somebody dislike you, Joseph?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like a very good thing.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, because I'm competition and I've got an attitude problem.
		And that, you know, a lot of people would like to see me out of the way.
		I've outlived a lot of my competition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're how old now?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'm 72.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have outlived a lot of your competition.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, but my competition, a lot of them's put away.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And we started this, and I think I told you, about 35 years ago, about 1965, I got involved with different organizations that were into Ouija boards and spiritual churches and seances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I got really interested in it And it was a way of developing And finding out What was really going on in the industry I mean, is there anything to it or is it all a bunch of baloney?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ouija boards?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The Ouija board, if it works, it'll destroy you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Because, number one, what happens if the Ouija board's really working, it'll give you some answers, answers some questions.
unidentified		Yep.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And it'll get you hooked, and then all of a sudden, your whole life just spins around in circles.
		And I don't know.
		The people that I know that were involved with the Ouija board are either dead or sick or not around.
		You don't have to be careful.
		Just get rid of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you.
		I'll go on with it.
		I used to work for a radio station in Las Vegas.
		This goes back probably 15 years, Joseph.
		And one day I went out to the outside hall.
		It was in a casino.
		That's what I worked in Las Vegas.
		And this very ancient, and I mean ancient Ouija board had been left for me by an anonymous person.
		I mean, this thing looked like it was 100 years old.
		And I took it home.
		And I will not relate the experience that I had with it.
		I won't even talk about it.
		It's one of the very few things that I won't talk about on the air that I've done, but it scared the hell out of me.
		It scared the hell out of me.
		There you are.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I had a story.
		Not a story, the truth.
		I had a couple of nuns come to me, and the nuns were working with a Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And they were getting messages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would nuns use a Ouija board?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Don't ask me why would nuns, I don't know.
		This was about, I'd say about 25 years ago.
		And they say, Joseph, the Ouija board said this, the Ouija board said that.
		And I would listen and say, gee, that's interesting.
		So they got the priest involved with it.
		And they were contacting the Ouija board.
		The Ouija board was talking or, you know, making messages.
		So one day they decided, the Ouija board told them, if you take this to the bishop, he will kiss your hand.
		Let me tell you what he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, don't.
		Hold that story.
		We're at the bottom of the hour, so hold it until after the break.
		We'll find out.
		You know, you've got to wonder, number one, what nuns would be doing with the Ouija board, but then a priest, definitely you've got to wonder what he'd do with the Ouija board.
		And I can only guess what happened when it got to the bishop.
		And I imagine if they'd managed to get past the bishop, they'd have wanted it to go directly to the Vatican.
		Can you imagine that?
		Special delivery to the Vatican, the Pope.
		One Ouija board that seems to be talking.
		Oakadoke, we'll be right back.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
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		Up my problems and our fatal life.
		We gotta love and think, we gotta be pride.
		There ain't no danger we can go too far.
		We start believing now, but we can be who we are.
		We did the world.
		They think all love is just a droid and pain.
		One or the same is just a crime and shame.
		There is a lion only.
		We stop the fine right now.
		We got to be what we feel.
		Meet this world, it's the way that you heard it's got rules, it's got meaning.
		And, and, and, and.
		Christ is the time.
		It's the place in the motion.
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		I'm so stuck on this song all over again.
		Oh, it's like falling in love all over again.
		It really is exactly like that.
		Well, we're going to find out about the Bishop and the Ouija board in a moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Joseph DeLoise, and the priest was told to take the Ouija board.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I want you to understand, we're not talking about Catholic nuns or Catholic priests.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There are other religions that have priests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And nuns, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was not Catholicism.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		This was, well, I don't want to say it wasn't.
		And I was doing a show for a church to raise some money, and of course, priest came up to me and says, Joseph, what you're doing is evil.
		I said, look, Father, we're having a little fun.
		We're raising some money, and I'm giving people my impressions.
		Well, anyway, the nuns liked what I was talking about, and they thought they could be honest with me, and came to me and told me about the Ouija board.
		And for months, they would be coming in just to talk to me.
		God, we got this message.
		We did this.
		We did that.
		And one day the Ouija board says, take it to the bishop.
		Now, that doesn't mean the bishop in Chicago.
		That means their bishop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so they take it to the bishop.
		And they told him what the Ouija board said.
		And he looked at them.
		And he says, you know, they were picking up actually a pope about the pope to the 13th century that was in Spain.
		And the bishop knew or felt who it was.
		And of course, he told them if they ever did that again, he was going to really throw them out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And they quit doing it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They were becoming obsessed and possessed because that Ouija board was really talking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um.
		I know.
		And, you know, Ouija boards are still manufactured and sold as toys, as you well know.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, they made a lot of money with Ouija boards.
		Right.
		But let me just say one thing.
		If they start to work, you're in trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't agree with that more.
		I couldn't agree more.
		Yeah, I do agree.
		So anyway, obviously you've got some clients.
		I'm much less interested in their financial advice than I am in what lies ahead for all of us.
		That is of interest to me.
		What lies ahead in the world?
		What kind of year we're going to have?
		What's this Y2K thing going to be like?
		You know, that sort of thing.
		What lies ahead for everybody?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		Like I was a Boy Scout when I was young.
		And of course, one of our things is to be prepared.
		So I've been getting a lot of calls.
		Joseph, you know, what's going to happen?
		How much water should we store?
		What should we do about food?
		I've got all these phone calls, and of course, I tell them, listen, I said, why don't you just be prepared?
		Buy the food.
		Get the water.
		And be prepared if anything does happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's always good, solid advice.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I know, but you see, with myself, I don't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, based on what you've seen or not seen, or just sort of based on my feelings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just your feelings.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Psychic feelings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, psychic feelings, all right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You remember, I don't know.
		I think you're a little too young.
		During the 45s and 50s when we were going to build bomb shelters and do this and do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was born in 1945, so.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		All right, but then you were young, and I remember I was raising five daughters, and in the backyard I was building a shelter.
		I was doing everything, and people call me up and tell me what they were doing, and I was just going along with it.
		There was nothing wrong with it.
		We had a little fun, always afraid we were going to be wiped out, but nothing happened.
unidentified		But always be prepared anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there have been a lot of natural disasters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People losing power hundreds of thousands of years.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		In Chicago, just recently, the weather yesterday was 28 below zero.
		That was the wind chill.
		And there were neighborhoods with no electricity, no phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		So if you remember last year, about the same time...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember...
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Everybody stuck on a road?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember with crystal clarity because I was on the air talking to people who were stuck there.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Stuck for five hours on the expressway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And if it wasn't for you, they would have nobody to talk to.
unidentified		I remember.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There's been disasters all over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So preparing whether it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, smart idea no matter what.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		As far as the stock market, my feeling is okay.
		It really is going to go down.
		I see it going down.
		It's taking a hit.
		But then I'm feeling there's billions waiting out there to get back in.
		The big problem can come when we're competing against Europe investing.
		And then people should start investing in the European stock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buy the Euro dollar, maybe?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Euro dollar, Euro stocks, Italian stock market, French, Germany, this type of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		What about Asia?
		I mean, Asia's in a big...
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Later, I feel, you know, I'm getting Europe the next year or two or three.
		People should be getting into the European market.
		But then Asia, I'd say about two or three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you have to do with the Sharon Tate murder case?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm glad you asked.
		I told you, you're going to be my PR man.
		What happened?
		I was involved in the Kennedy tragedy at Chappaquittick.
unidentified		Yes.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I was doing a little article for the newspaper, the Sun-Times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chicago, Sun-Times, yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I was in a studio and giving predictions.
		He says, Yosef, we need five predictions.
		And the prediction should be about the mayor, about the weather, about the colleges, and this.
		And I was staring into, I got a crystal ball that I was given by a German.
		And people said, well, you use the crystal ball, yeah, it relaxes me.
		And the magic, of course, is in the crystal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a crystal ball also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		All you have to do is look into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pure, real crystal ball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're very expensive.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I don't have to tell you.
		It's from, what is it, Denmark or something?
		It's very, very expensive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Terribly expensive.
		And I've always, I look at it every day.
		How do you use a crystal ball?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happens, it was given to me by a friend that I used to work with.
		I want to tell you that I was a hairdresser.
		In fact, that's how I became famous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'd be sitting here, and I'd give people little readings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, while you're cutting their hair.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And one day a lady came in.
		I was giving a permanent.
		Yeah.
		And I was touching her hair and massaging it and rolling it up.
		And she said, Joseph, what do you see from my son?
		Oh, immediately I started to talk about problems about he was overweight.
		He had problems with his wife.
		And I felt the divorce coming on.
		And she says, oh, my God.
		So anyway, she told him, and this man had his show in Gary.
		He was doing a radio show.
		And he felt, God, this guy's pretty good.
		Let me get him.
		And so I started to appear on the air.
		And of course, people called up and they wanted little readings like, Joseph, I lost my gun or I lost this.
		What do you see?
		And I would say, well, just go in the closet on the right side.
		You look at that.
		And believe it or not, everything I was talking about was, You know, materializing.
		So one day, after about 10 or 15 shows, he says, Joseph, enough of this.
		Why don't you make a prediction?
		I says, what's that?
		He says, you're going to predict something that's going to happen.
		I says, okay, you know, I thought I'd be okay.
		So I went home and I got five kids running around, you know, all hyper.
		And I got myself in the bedroom and I started to look at this crystal ball and I told myself, hey, I've got to come up with a prediction.
		I think maybe I'll predict the mayor's going to get an ulcer or something general.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An ulcer.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And all of a sudden, I'm looking at a crystal ball and I see this bridge.
		This bridge colliding or collapsing.
		And I says, oh, I told my wife, I said, you know what?
		There's going to be a bridge disaster.
		She says, don't you dare use that.
		There hasn't been a bridge disaster in 30 years.
		I says, okay, I won't use it.
		I'll go with the mayor's ulcer.
		So I appeared on the shelf, and I had my crystal ball.
		It was a fun type of thing because this was about 30 years ago.
		And all of a sudden we had a commercial and I started staring at the crystal ball again.
		And here I see the same bridge.
		And I'm sort of in a semi-trance.
		So the radio personality takes the microphone.
		He says, Joseph, what do you see?
		What do you see?
		And I tell him, I see a bridge going down.
		It's south of here.
		I'm getting like Ohio.
		And I feel 57 people are going to, you know, die.
		I see cars hanging over.
		He says, well, how's it going to happen?
		I says, well, the piles, it's, what do you call, rush hour, too much weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, all of this was actually documented on the air.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I still got the paper.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then the Ohio River Bridge collapsed, killed 50.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Three weeks later.
		When he asked me, when is it going to happen?
		I says, God, the license plates are all 1967.
		So it's happening this year.
		He says, oh, my God, he says, you're going to be famous.
		If this happens, you're going to be famous.
		Well, three weeks later after Thanksgiving, the bridge went down.
		Newspapers picked up the article.
		I appeared all over the country.
		I had people flying in from Turkey to get a reading.
		I had three, what do we call it, newspaper people come in from Turkey and start reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what brought all the really heavy-duty interests to Johnny Carsons and Susskins and Griffins and all that?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And that it hasn't stopped since.
		Then I went on to make more predictions, and all these things started to happen.
		I predicted there'd be an insurrection.
		And the guy says, well, for what?
		I says, how do I know?
		I just see the headline, insurrection.
		And a couple of months later, the king, who was it, got assassinated, and we had sort of an insurrection in Chicago.
		It was a lot of burning, a lot of problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever wondered, Joseph, in a quiet moment yourself, whether you are actually seeing the future or creating it?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was asked that once.
		I was doing a show for a college group, and I had all these students, and I was, you know, talking about, I don't know what I was talking about.
		And one of the students got up, he says, Mr. D. Louise, why don't you say nice things?
		And I says, like what?
		Like they're going to legalize marijuana.
		He says, well, if I say it, does that mean I'm going to create it?
		So, you know, you wonder, could I cause these things?
		I'm saying, absolutely.
		That's insanity to believe that.
		You know, like I'm predicting a bridge disaster, a plane crash, naming how many people.
		And I was surprised because when I did these things, I was doing a radio show.
		And usually during a radio show, during a commercial, I lay on the floor and I meditate.
		All of a sudden, I get something.
		And, you know, I talk about it.
		And I did that with the IC train crash.
		There was never, well, there wasn't any train crashes.
		And I predict there would be a train crash south of Chicago.
		I think 39 people would get killed.
		I see a train plowing into the other one.
		And that was it.
		Until about months later, this happened.
		Of course, the newspapers picked up on it.
		And how did you see it?
		What happened?
		You know, it's hard to explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The original question was about Manson.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Manson.
		Okay.
		What happened, I was flown to Chappaquittick by private jet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Because, number one, my prediction about the tragedy around a drowning around Ted Kennedy appeared in the National Enquirer.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I think it was 1968 or 69.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And when it materialized, they had to get me there.
		They had to take me to the cottage to, what is it called?
		The bridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeff, quote, is it important that you get near the event?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was important then.
		And you know what?
		As I meditated and I got these things, you know what the National Inquirer told me, Joseph, we can't use that.
		That's slander.
		I said, well, don't use it.
		But this is what I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I talk about what I...
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, they used it.
		They watered it down.
		I felt there was a lot of drugs, a lot of drunkenness, a lot of fooling around, and that Kennedy never swam across the channel.
		I don't think he was responsible, but I do think that the whole story was doctored up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To be much milder.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had to make it much milder because what I said, I could have been arrested.
		But years later, it proved out that I was right.
		And what happened when I was doing this, I got a phone call from a person who remembered some of my prediction.
		He says, Joseph, forget about the Ted Kennedy.
		Fly here.
		There's been a tragedy, a Sharon Tate case.
		I said, who's Sharon Tate?
		He says, well, she's a movie star.
		And, you know, what's his Manson's name was never mentioned.
		So he says, why don't you meditate and see what you get?
		Well, I said, sure.
		I'm used to meditating.
		I meditated.
		And the Palm Beach newspaper called me up.
		And they did the article.
		This is what Joseph feels and what he said.
		And I mentioned the name Tex.
		I didn't say Tex Watson.
		I said, I see the word Tex, and it happened to be Tex Watson later.
		And then another name appeared to me, Linda.
		Of course, that was Linda Cassabian, who, you know, who Pastor turned them in.
		And of course, then they flew me to California there.
		And I spent a little time at Rudolph Valentino's house and Sharon Tate.
		I went through the knife and all the things that happened.
		And I told them on October the 14th they would find some evidence.
		And they did.
		They found, I think they found a knife on the side of one of the expressways there, a knife used in the murder.
		And then, of course, what happened is because I got a lot of write-ups in the paper in L.A. that my phones were attacked.
		And I started to get phone calls from the young people who belonged or knew Manson.
		And they start telling me that, hey, we know you're right.
		They didn't say it was Manson, but there's these crazy people that are into drugs and this and that.
		And, you know, they got caught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's quite a record, Joseph.
		That's quite a record.
		That's quite a record.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there was a lot of other things that, you know, I was involved in the Zodiac, and you might have remembered the Zodiac.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Zodiac killings, you mean?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Joseph, it's the top of the hour, and you've got 12 minutes.
		So get your crystal ball and lie down.
		All right?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'll try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good, good.
		Stay right there.
		We'll break here at the top of the hour.
		My guest is Joseph DeLoise.
		He is one of our nation's most famous psychics in his 70s now.
		And tonight, right here on Coast to Coast AM, don't touch that dial.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
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		When it's alright, it's moving on.
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		Love is good, love is good.
		Love is good.
		We gotta get right back to where we started from Do you remember that day, when you first came my way?
		I said no one could tell you Take your place And if you get hurt, if you get hurt I'm a little fake my baby.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 11th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, have I ever put up a neat picture for you.
		Talking to Joseph got me interested in my own crystal ball, and there's a story that goes with this crystal ball that's kind of cool.
		Bob Crane, whose picture was on my website during the weekend, by the way, because he was here.
		I don't know, it was about a year ago.
		And Bob went to Taiwan.
		And he was in a remote village somewhere in Taiwan.
		And I had expressed an interest in owning a crystal ball.
		And I didn't care.
		If it was really glass, it would have been cool.
		But Bob set out to get me a real crystal ball.
		And he went into this little village, a mountain village in Taiwan.
		And he found a crystal ball, a pure crystal ball.
		They are very rare.
		Pure crystal balls are very rare.
		You know, most of them have flaws, and they're very expensive.
		So he walked into this little shop, and he thought he had the right price for the crystal ball.
		He had done his math.
		And so he said, okay, I'll buy it.
		Well, at this point, the entire family is rousted from upstairs, and they come down, and they start giving him cigarettes and gifts, and they have a party, and he's wondering, hmm, what's going on here?
		I've spent $70, I think, and it's kind of like I'm a head of state or something.
		And so anyway, the party proceeds, and they just give him a great old time.
		Then it comes time to pay for the crystal ball.
		And it turns out to be many, many hundreds of dollars.
		Well, by this time, of course, the entire family had been somewhat, I don't want to use that word.
		There had been a big party over his purchase, let us put it that way.
		So he didn't have the heart not to buy it, so he bought it for me.
		And I've got a crystal ball.
		And I just went into the other room and got my crystal ball and put it right up to The webcam and took a picture of myself through the crystal ball.
		You're actually looking through the crystal ball.
		It's really a cool photograph.
		It's up on my website right now.
		We're talking about crystal balls, so I thought I'd give it a try.
		Take a look.
		See, you're actually looking straight through a crystal, pure crystal ball.
		Then there's those other photographs, and you've got to see those.
		One is of a jet, a phantom breaking the sound barrier near ground level, or almost at ground level, during an air show, and the other is of maybe a ground-boring machine.
		We're not sure what the hell it is.
		You tell us.
		The person who sent it thought it was a machine designed to bore into the ground.
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		Are you convinced that there are governments above governments?
		Governments that we don't vote for.
		Governments that are controlling presidents or prime ministers or leaders of other nations?
		There's no doubt there were two governments.
		There's the provisional government and the permanent government.
		And that every once in a while you have a charade called an election.
		Presidents come and go, but they're there, and they just keep on keeping on, as it were.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 11, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time Back now to Joseph DeLouise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should know that name.
		He's been around a lot of years.
		He's made a lot of predictions that have come true and as a result has been on many, many big programs.
		Hey, Joseph, I've got a question for you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait a minute.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Keep that ball wrapped up and don't let anybody touch it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, because it takes this charge that you're putting into the belief.
		I mean, it's almost like, oh, do you really believe that?
		Well, I do believe, you know, it's like letting somebody drive your car.
		You don't let somebody drive your car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is there actually anything...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything really special about crystal?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I'd like to tell you just a fast little story.
		About six, seven years ago, this client came to me, a man, and I was sitting in the office and he handed me a crystal.
		It wasn't a crystal ball, but it was a crystal.
unidentified		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I looked into it and guess what I saw?
unidentified		What?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I saw a witch doctor inside the crystal, behind bars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A witch doctor behind bars?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, inside a little crystal.
		I looked at him, and I was wondering if he was using some type of hypnosis.
		And he told me he found this crystal in a cave in Africa.
		Actually, the cave is named after him.
		It's legit.
		University, what do we call it, the museum, did some photography on it, and I did a little hypnosis on him, regression.
		And this guy, when I regressed him, was a sailor in Marco Polo's Navy back in, you know, what was it, the 1500s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you obviously believe in reincarnation?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe in reincarnation, but this has never happened to me.
		And he's going around the country doing healing with it.
		And I was wondering, what is it, what happened to me?
		In fact, I called a person who was a psychiatrist that I told, he says, Joseph, you believe that?
		I said, well, you know, it's my reality, absolutely.
		I believe because it's happened to me.
		You know, when it happens to you, like out-of-body experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, that's right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's your reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, he's gone around the country healing people with the crystal.
unidentified		So there's something with the crystal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, any guesses about what it is, what properties crystal has?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you one thing.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know, when I meditate on crystals, I feel that crystals are going to be used for, what do we call it, for not guided missiles, but ICBMs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, to some other productive human endeavor.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to be used for healing, and it's going to be used in military.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know, you remember the crystal little radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I built it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		A crystal, right?
		I'm building with the crystal.
		Just imagine a huge crystal and being able to charge it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you this, electronically.
		Crystals, when they are cut properly, resonate or vibrate when a voltage and current is applied to them at a very specific frequency, and they are used, used to be used, exclusively to determine frequencies of radio transmitters.
		That's a fact.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'm seeing them used later on once the breakthroughs there are used to bring down missiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there there is there is something then about crystals, no question about it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Get Get your crystal, wrap it up in black velvet, and don't let anybody touch it.
		And once in a while, look into it and relax.
		It's a relaxing feeling.
		And all of a sudden, you start seeing something, and you write it down.
		Or you ask your mind, see something.
		Your mind says, like what?
		Don't worry about it, anything.
		And just write it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious.
		You had a very great deal of fame.
		What would you tell people about being famous?
		Is it a good thing or is it a pain in the butt?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		First thing, I don't feel I'm that famous.
		Another reason for that.
		I never did believe in, you know, promoting.
		I think it was by accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you were pretty famous for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, not everybody goes on Carson or Sussex or Griffin, whatever.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because 30 years ago, there aren't too many Frankics.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There were maybe half a dozen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, for a while, you had fame.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		For a while, no.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		For a while, everything was happening, and every time I'd meditate, I could come up with something that things would materialize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has this power left you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you still have it?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing leaves me.
		I mean, you know, it's simple.
		Close your eyes, relax, go into a semi-trance that I'm used to going into, like Casey, and letting these things come through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you do it as Casey did then certainly.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Sure, Casey.
		Casey got his, not his power, but his talent from, what do we call it, hypnosis.
		He was hypnotized when he was maybe 17, 18 years old.
		He had a strep throat or something.
		He couldn't talk.
		And immediately after that, the channels were opened up.
		So it's a form of self-hypnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed Edgar Casey Jr.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been on a couple of shows with him.
		Very interesting person.
		Has no psychic ability at all.
		But his father's got it all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's about as psychic as a brick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's apparently not genetic, huh?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Not with him.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		A real nice guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, much as you say everybody's got the ability, it's not apparent.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It's not apparent because you answered it.
		People are too busy.
		You know, people go to the 900 numbers.
		Didn't I tell you about 25 years ago people came to me and they wanted to do this professionally on television because they were seeing me or hearing me do it on the air and he says, hey, that's fun.
		We can make money.
		So, you know, from then on, they got the 900 numbers.
		People are making millions of dollars, getting so-called advice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the part of the ad that kills me when they run ads for that is only certified psychics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is it they certify psychics?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I got news for you.
		I can send you all the information on the training that they give.
		And of course, the training is on $4 a minute.
		And keep them on for as long as you can, not more than 45 minutes because it runs.
		And let them do the talking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they give away all the clues the psychic, in quotes, uses to.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And how many times do you hear the girl says, oh, my God, she says I was going to get married.
		And I'm thinking, of course you're going to get married, idiot.
		Someday you're going to get married.
		Everybody's going to get married.
		You know what my theory is about marriage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You don't know what happiness is until you get married.
		And then it's too late.
		I usually don't add the last part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so you're sort of a little down on the 900 people.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'm not really down on it.
		I feel like people need it.
		They wake up in the middle of the night listening to this, and we call that this guy's hypnosis.
		So they get up and they call up and, hey, I got a problem.
		The first five minutes is free.
		Well, they give you the first five minutes, and then the rest you've got to pay.
		Because I had my son do that once, and he ran up a bill.
		He says, Dad, this is great.
		Really?
		He didn't tell me about it until they turned off his phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you never did that, though?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Never.
unidentified		Never.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I always did it for free or nothing.
		But that's where they got the idea.
		I was on WGN, WLS.
		I would be doing shows.
		The lines would be filled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People would call up.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They'd give me their birthday.
		I'd give them a little reading.
		They would come in for a bigger reading.
		It was a lot of fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, Joseph, I've always had a theory that runs counter to what...
		And, of course, that lights up the phones like crazy.
		Everybody wants a reading.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Tens of thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They'll knock out your phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the problem is that it's not really any good for ratings at all because everybody wants their free reading, of course.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody don't want to listen to everybody's reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who the hell cares?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, years ago when I would even appear on a radio or television show, I made a policy never to give more than four to five readings.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And because people would turn you off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, it's boring.
		So I don't do that.
		But I am curious, I really am curious about whether you have any predictions that you would like to make.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, when you went off for the commercial, I laid on the floor, like I tell you, I'm going to give you two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, two.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		One is a volcano is going to blow its top soon.
		Don't ask me where.
		That's all I saw top a volcano.
		The other one is the White House or the area of the White House is going to be hit with a ground-to-ground missile.
unidentified		Good Lord.
unidentified		Assembled.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		It's not going to hit the White House.
		It might be a mile away, but it's going to be shot from about 40 miles away.
		It's going to be assembled in a truck, and it's going to be aimed toward that way.
		If they could hit it, they would hit it, but I just don't feel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think it's going to hit?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, but I feel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a monster story.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I see.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And I feel when I see that, that's definitely this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I had a caller last hour that said there are earthquakes now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was just a 3.2 earthquake and a million aftershocks around Mount Hood.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Mount Hood, well, see, I don't...
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know, volcano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes you're able to identify where something is, sometimes not.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		When I was on the Merv Griffin show, I think it was 1973.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They had about five psychics on, and everybody gave their psychic predictions.
		When it came to me, there was only one prediction that I made.
		And Brad Steiger wrote this in one of the magazines three months before, no, three months after it happened.
		What he did, he did a story, and I predicted that I see a plane hitting a mountain on the west coast.
		So then I got on the World Gripen, so I says, I've only got one prediction.
		A plane's going to hit the mountain on the west coast here, going towards Las Vegas.
		He says, oh, my God.
		Well, anyway, guess what happened?
		I'm on my way to Palm Springs to do a show, and a plane hits the mountain at night.
		So immediately I try to get a hold of the Burg Grifton show, but guess what?
		It was taped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Nobody remembers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, geez.
		Timelines.
		People, of course, would always ask you about timelines.
		The prediction, for example, the one you just talked about with regard to somebody trying to hit the White House with a ground-to-ground missile.
		Oh, I feel like.
		That could happen tomorrow or it could happen next year.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way to put a time to it?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you didn't give me enough time.
		I told you that I don't like to make predictions.
		Oh, I can make predictions about football.
		I can give you that and give you a time and a score and everything else.
		But on the time, I didn't get a time.
		I just saw a truck, large, you know, 12-wheeler, 16-wheeler truck, and there's a bomb back there, and it's made or assembled in pieces, you know, piece here, piece there.
		They can bring that in.
		And of course, they're aiming toward the White House, and I don't see it hitting, but I do feel it'll be in the direction of the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you see whether there is a great deal of collateral damage from where it is?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I don't see any damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No damage.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It could hit the lawn.
		It could hit, you know, there's a lot of space there.
		Because you're scared.
		To scare that they can do that.
		And I also feel, listen, this is one of my that Hussein is going to try, well, he's going to try to take Kuwait again without any problems.
		It's only a matter of time.
		And you know, you were talking about this big machine that digs tunnels?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		This guy's got so much equipment dug into mountains and tunnels that we don't know about.
		We're talking about tanks.
		Everything you can think of, he's got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's buried so deeply that we hardly touched it when we're doing it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		We can't touch it.
		It's really, I mean, he's really got those bunkers really filled.
		And I'm talking about tunnels miles deep like our subways, but wider, where you can run tanks in and out and bombs and everything else.
		This man really feels that he's got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Joseph, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Yeah, he probably does.
		And by the way, Iraq, Saddam, the other day, almost, apparently in one draft of a message he sent out, was going to say that he now feels Kuwait has no right to exist, and they pulled back from that at the last moment.
		That was on the national news the last day or so.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a volcano going up and something fired at the White House.
		Those are the two we just got.
		Non-trivial, To be sure, I do have some astounding photographs on the website right now, and when I say astounding, I really mean astounding.
		You've got to go take a look.
		And regarding what I thought might be a tunnel-boring machine, guess what?
		It apparently is a tunnel-boring machine.
		Here's a fact from a mining engineer, Hayard.
		Your photograph of the U.S. Air Force machine is a TBM or tunnel-boring machine.
		The circular painted blue pieces on the right side of the picture hold the machine on center within the tunnel, and I see a conveyor head pulley and transfer chute on the left above the last man.
		The ground tan-colored area in front of the machine is prepped and ready to go for the beginning of this secret tunnel.
		Is that really what it is?
		And the photograph, of course, of the phantom breaking the sound barrier is one in a gazillion.
		What a photograph that is.
		So, anyway, there you have it.
		You've got to take a look at these two photographs.
		They're on my website at www.artbell.com.
		And let me know what you think.
		Fax me or email me or something or another.
		We'll be right back with Joseph DeLuise.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of January 11, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Art Bell Back now to Joseph DeLoise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're back on, Joseph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as a matter of fact, you're on WLS there in Chicago.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they are.
		Giant.
		And it should bring back some memories for you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		Yeah.
		I mean, I still know.
		Some of them are still on the air.
		People that I worked with run in that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, I don't want to name anybody, but yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say to people who want to do what you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you advise them?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		What I would advise them is that first thing, they've got to do what they do the best that they can do.
		This is what I can do.
		Never had a formal education.
		Academically, I don't know what I'm talking about except that I've done these things.
		Spent a little time in the Navy, and of course I attended a lot of seances, a lot of study groups.
		Became hypnotherapists about 25 years ago using hypnosis to put me in that altered state of consciousness.
		And I tell people to learn a little more about their minds, how it works, and get rid of distress, and learn how to relax and meditate and ask themselves.
		Ask themselves to get answers from either a dead relative, a spirit, a guardian angel.
		And I swear, if you ask, you will receive.
		Because, you know, the kingdom is from within.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Then here's a pretty interesting specific question for you, Joseph.
		If you were to see a specific incidence occurring, oh, I don't know, somebody getting hit by an 18-wheeler doing 80 miles an hour and flattened like a pancake.
		And you were able to identify when, about when, and who it was.
		Look, the bottom line of my question is, can events be changed?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No.
		If events are changed, then everything I predict would never materialize.
		In other words, if I say like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in other words, couldn't there be intervention?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you knew...
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I get feelings.
		I meet people, I get a feeling, hey, forget about this guy's a con artist, got nothing to do with it.
		It's feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what we call intuition.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But this is, you know, the whole area of being a psychic, and I hate to use the word, but it's better to use clairvoyant, is using that channel of your mind that's intuition.
		And you develop it.
		Develop it.
		But why does a person want to be a psychic?
		I mean, you've got so many out there.
		Just call 900 numbers.
unidentified		You've got 9,000 of them.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, just take their course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but you also have a lot of hustlers out there, and you're not going to.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know how you can tell a hustler?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Is when they're talking and they're telling you about everything that they've got.
		Look at my car.
		Look at my phone.
		I got a boat.
		Well, you know, they're talking about themselves.
		You're being hustled.
		And you've got to feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whereas they ought to be talking about you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They ought to be talking about what they can do for you, not what they've got.
		And another thing that I feel, a lot of people, you know, talk about being poor, not having anything.
		The truth is, they enjoy not having anything, just where they can always complain.
		They won't do anything to do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think a lot of poverty, even homelessness is all their own doing.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, I feel that.
		But there are people out there that need the help.
		And a lot of people, of course, drink or drugs and everything else.
		And that's an escape.
		They can't stand reality.
		Of course, you know, there are excuses they had a bad life or this or that.
		But that's an escape.
		The same thing with gambling.
		People gamble, they win, they gamble more.
unidentified		It's all an escape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		I know a lot, you know, I'm here in Nevada.
		I'm in Nevada, so I know a lot of gamblers.
		I am not a gambler.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know how that's set up with the carpets and the lights and the music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hypnotic, isn't it?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very hypnotic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No clocks.
		Never a clock.
		You never see a clock in a casino.
		Never.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Every time I go, I whip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Because, number one, when I roll dice, and that's called PK, psychokinesis, mind over matter, there's a certain time that I wait for.
		It's like a quarter to 12 to about 12.30 that I feel that I've been tuned.
		I don't know if it's with the stars or whatever.
		And all of a sudden, I start throwing the dice, and I will the dice to do what I want them to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they do.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They do.
		Now, as soon as the dice do what they don't want you to do, they're like women quit.
		Remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Deloween said that.
		I didn't.
		What?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		All right, well.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They're fickles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But you've got to hit the table at a certain spot, and you've got to zap them at that certain spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So dyser like women.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dyser?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They're fickles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it seems to me if what you just said is true, then you could go take the somewhat less than amazing Randy's million dollars away from him.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Randy's a genius.
		You know who he's following?
		Houdini.
		Houdini did the same thing in the 30s.
		He challenged everybody.
		And really, people can't do it.
		Otherwise, they would take the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but you just said you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, not always, you said it has to be at a certain time, but that could be a condition of the test.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I know, but that's probably the test.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when you start being tested and other people are going to be involved in that test, you lose it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I only know that when I go there, I stand at the table, shoot the dice, bang, bang, bang, win a couple of hundred, goodbye, when the dice are turned off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've done nothing but win?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Nothing but win.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But I knew when to quit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the problem that all real addicted gamblers have, is they don't know when to quit.
		They're greedy.
		That's right.
		They will always end up giving it to them.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And they don't know what they're doing.
		They don't know the odds.
		You know, they play roulette.
		They play the slot machine.
		I don't want to say anything, but I don't want those people to lose money.
		Let people go there and have fun and gamble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, in Las Vegas, we have something called the blacklist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a list of people that are not allowed in casinos.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm allowed because I don't take that much out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I was wondering if you'd been blacklisted, no, huh?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, not yet.
		And I'll never be blacklisted because I don't gamble that much.
		I have a little fun.
		15, 20, 25 minutes, a half hour at the most.
		As soon as the dice gets cold, forget it.
		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about lotteries?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's some where you...
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		About, was it about six, seven months ago?
		I did a radio show.
		And the man asked me, and the anonson says, Joseph, do you have any lottery numbers?
		I said, sure.
		And I gave three numbers.
		That evening it came in.
		I had hundreds of calls of people calling me up, wanting lottery numbers.
		So all day long I'm giving you lottery numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see, really?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, the mathematical odds picking three numbers is 500 to 1.
		And if you box them, but about 12 years ago, or maybe 14 years ago, when Reagan was the president, I did a television show, and I got up there, and I gave six numbers.
		I said, these are the lottery numbers.
		I don't know where I got them.
		They just come into my head.
		About 12 weeks later, $11 million lottery.
		I started to get phone calls from the people at the station.
		Joseph, your lottery numbers came in, but we didn't plan it.
		Did you play it?
		Of course I didn't play it.
		I didn't even know what the hell they were talking about.
		But I went back to the tapes, because I had a videotape, played the tapes, called up the lottery, the company that deals the lottery numbers.
		They flashed me the numbers, and here they were, all six numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Do you consider having this gift a blessing or a curse or both?
		I mean, are there a lot of times that you see something that you don't want to see?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No.
		See, I accept everything.
		In other words, I don't believe that we die.
		I believe we go to sleep.
		And I believe we create our own heaven and hell.
		In other words, if a person's good when they're laying there dying, they get good things.
		They see the light, they see this, or whatever.
		And of course, if they're not, they create the negativeness that happens.
		There's too many people involved now in so-called witchcraft and demonology and everything else.
		I think these people are going to suffer.
		They're not going to see the light.
unidentified		But they would do anything to be successful.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They'll get anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you've been asked this before, but I mean, do you believe in God, Big G?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Creator type God?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me put it this way.
		My mother raised me as a Catholic.
		I was born in Italy in the mountains.
		And all of my life, my mother told me my patron saint was St. Joseph.
		And every time I meditate, I meditate on St. Joseph.
		So I have to say, I do believe.
		I believe in the Christian religion because I've studied all the other ones.
		I studied Scientology, the Modis.
		I studied everything, and I feel comfortable with the Catholic religion.
		And I get it like a trunk of a tree with a lot of branches.
unidentified		There's only one God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is yes?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The answer is yes, absolutely.
		Do I have any proof?
		I got my own proof, my own reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good enough, isn't it?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all I need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, if there is a God, Big G, you believe that, then how about the opposite, Satan, the big S?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, there is Satan.
		The Satan, actually, the Satans are people.
		They're just the opposite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if God is a real supernatural being, a creator.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Not a real one, not a real one.
		Let's say Jesus and St. Joseph and the saints are, you know, real.
		But when you talk about God, that's like the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, who they feel is giving him the energy.
		I don't think anybody knows who God is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you get older and older, though, you wonder a lot about that, don't you?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, because number one, anytime you do too much wondering, too much thinking, you always think of getting old, not having anything, getting sick, and you create.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		See, people get sick six months before they get sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have created it themselves.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, some type of fear.
		This is one reason a lot of times people are brainwashed.
		You keep listening on radio or television about cancer.
		Take this.
		This is going to get you.
		Well, you start believing it.
		And of course, this is impressed in your subconscious mind that you could be sick.
		And you start getting sick.
		I think if people eat right and do some praying, whatever God they have, and do the right things, I don't think that they're going to get sick.
		I really believe this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or how about once they are sick, can they turn it around?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		They can turn it around by being able to contact the light, the light, the light.
		Where does the light come from?
		A lot of people say, Joseph, you talk about the light.
		What is the light?
		Well, the light is this spiritual energy that's transmitted all over.
		The light's all over.
		And the darkness is all over.
		And once you start seeing the light and you're feeling the light and you see it penetrating in your body, you start getting well again.
		Because then you're eating right, you're thinking right, you're doing the right thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a quick little story.
		I hope it bothers everybody the way it bothered me.
		Several years ago, I was interviewing John Lear.
		He's the son of Bill Lear, the fellow who invented the Lear Jet and the A-Track tape machine and all the rest of that.
		John is still, to this very day, a good friend of mine.
		And he told me that he was told by somebody else who he absolutely had faith in that these near-death experiences where people see the light, in fact, when you do die, there is a choice to go to the light or the darkness.
		And he said to me one night, you know, I've got good, hard information that it's a trick that you shouldn't go to the light, that it's a trick that the only way you're going to get where you want to go is to go to the darkness.
		And I said, what?
		I said, what?
		No, no.
		Now, thanks a lot for planting that one in my brain.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, now he planted something in your brain.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Like, go to the darkness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's his reality.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's his reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it's bothered me ever since.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But you've got to remember, the light could be a chemical reaction in your own brain.
unidentified		Ah!
unidentified		Ah!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe that?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I liked you a couple of times.
		Not only that, but I think that an out-of-body experience could also be the product of an active, human, living brain.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The other thing I feel that a lot of people see flying saucers.
unidentified		Yep.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there's something in their brain that allows them to see it where someone else doesn't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're wired.
		They're wired to see.
		And they see it.
		And of course, it's invisible because they're seeing it inside their head and outside where they feel they're seeing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, does that mean it's a real manifestation?
		No, I do feel it.
		You do.
unidentified		I do feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that only certain people can see it because they're wired to see it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing, you know, when you have a dog and you're a couple of blocks away and you're coming home, the dog starts wagging his tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they've done TV shows on that.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and what the dog is picking up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The commutator of your car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The what?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Transmitting.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The commutator, the generator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The generator of your car?
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		All generators transmit a certain frequency that they pick up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like little snowflakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're all different.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		They're sitting there.
		You're covered down a block away and your wife says, oh, the dog knew you were coming home.
		Of course he knew.
		If you want to prove that he doesn't know, get in a different car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but listen, 2020 did a piece on it.
		Maybe you saw it.
		They did a piece where the film crew would go into the home and film the dog in hiding.
		The dog didn't know they were there.
		And they would have the owner start home in the middle of the day at a time when the owner would never come home.
		And the owner might be as much as 30 minutes or even an hour away.
		And the dog knew the person was coming home.
		Somehow that dog knew.
		was no question about it how would the dog How would he know that far away?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I just told you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just told you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It's transmitting.
		It could transmit for a block, a half a mile.
		Oh.
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Little electrical impulses.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've done a couple of experiments myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that whales can hear each other, or used to before we started blocking the sounds out with so many ships in the sea and noisemakers.
		They could communicate from one side of the world to the other.
		This is kind of along that line, Except it's through the air or what?
		The ether or what?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's through first.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Each generator's got a certain signal.
unidentified		Yeah, but.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But it comes through the air like a radio wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through the air like radio.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's like a radio wave or some kind of wave that we don't have the signature on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really interesting and really possible.
		I'd never thought about that, Joseph.
		Okay, listen, can you hang in there for one more hour?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		I think we'll open the lines.
		Now, the only thing I'm going to say right now is no readings, folks.
		We don't do readings.
		We're talking about the parapsychological world.
		And surely my guest, Joseph DeLouise, has been squarely in the middle of that all his life.
		But we're not going to do readings.
		So when we come back, we'll open the lines.
unidentified		You're the Steve Wart Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
		The End
		The End
		Thank you.
		We're listening to our fellows somewhere in time on Premiere Regular Networks.
		Tonight, an ongoing presentation of Poster Coast AM from January 11th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I appear to be.
unidentified		Heh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is a psychic.
		I guess that's a fair...
		It's the one that seems to describe, I don't know if it's a good one, Joseph DeLoise is his name.
		And he's been doing this virtually all his life.
		So, what can I tell you?
		If you have a question for him, then we'd be glad to take it.
		I want to remind you, we're not doing readings.
		We don't do those here.
		We don't do individual readings.
		So if you have a general question for Joseph, glad to take it.
		And I can see there aren't many because everything's been packed since we went on the air.
		So all of that is coming up.
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		We've got Robert in Houston.
		There's this lady that I've seen about four or five times in my lifetime.
		She's tall and skinny.
		She had on some tight blue jeans, some Indian moccasins.
		She had on a rainbow-striped poncho and a laflop hat.
		I saw this woman when I was about eight or nine.
		I saw her again.
		I was living in Dallas, Texas.
		I was on the bus and she was standing outside.
		Did she look like she aged?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here's the crazy thing.
unidentified		About five years ago, me and two of my brothers, we all went on a cruise to St. Thomas down at the Bridge.
		Oh, no, don't tell me.
		We got on one of these little Jisney buses.
		And my brothers, he said, see that lady over there?
		I said, we saw that lady in Jacksonville.
		Last November, my brother died.
		He had surgery.
		He had woke up.
		He was getting ready to eat his breakfast and everything.
		And he said, oh, he said, I got to get off the phone.
		He said, I got company.
		He said, you know the lady we saw down there in St. Thomas?
		He said, she's sitting over there in the church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me talk to her.
unidentified		I'll call you back.
		15 minutes later, my niece called back.
		He was dead.
		She's dead.
		She was deaf.
		Great story.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
		Music Getting late in Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joseph, how are you doing?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing all right?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see what awaits then on the phones for you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Joseph, Deloise, and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		How you doing?
		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barely.
unidentified		Okay, how about now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just yell at us and we'll get it.
unidentified		Okay, my question has to do with a spiritual question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
unidentified		I tend to believe that the awake to the spirit world is within your mind.
		And I guess I'm talking about the third eye.
		I've been trying to use that third eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's chakra stuff.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I've been trying to tap into that, I guess you can say, to that aspect of my spiritual eye.
		And I'm having a hard time doing that.
		I was wondering if you could help me.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It takes a little time.
		You've got to practice.
		Like anything else, like playing golf or playing tennis.
		You've got to sit there and you've got to bring your attention to that area.
		And of course, when you meditate on that area, you're bringing the chemistry, the chemicals, everything that needs to develop this third eye.
		And you start seeing things and feeling things.
		No, it's it's uh it's something that I use, but I don't call it the third eye.
		I call it intuition.
		But I understand what you're talking about.
		You've studied where you're working on the chakras.
		It does work, but you've got to work at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in your view, the name chakra or third eye, that's fine, but it's just one more pathway to the same place.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It's important that people learn how to meditate.
		See, I feel you've got to turn on spiritually.
		I hate to think spiritual things are religious things.
		They're not.
		They're the creative force that we have within ourselves, within our subconscious mind.
		All these things are programmed.
		And, you know, if you have a really desire to develop something and you work at it, you'll develop it.
		It's just like the crystal ball.
		It's just a crystal ball.
		But if you put the energy and meditating, relaxing, you put the magic in your mind and in the crystal, you start seeing things.
		Some of the things might scare you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I did ask you, and you said, yes, there are special properties to crystal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then on the other hand, you're saying, well, really, it's coming from you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do believe when we're talking about a pure crystal with absolutely no faults in it, which is very expensive, and you just sit there and you relax and probably turn the lights down low and have the light behind you and look at it, you start to see things.
		But of course, what you're seeing is you're not seeing it in the crystal.
		You're seeing it in your head.
		But the crystal is a way of focusing your attention on that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about this?
		Near-death experiences.
		I have a very good friend, Daniel Brinkley.
		I'm sure you've heard of him.
		He's a very close friend.
		He had several NDEs, became very psychic as a result of them.
		But, you know, I've always wondered, Joseph, nobody has ever come back from, you know, like two or three days of being dead.
		At least not for a couple thousand years.
		And so is it not possible that when you die, really die, that's it, lights out?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		This is what I feel.
		But you created something within your own mind.
		You created your own heaven.
		You created the light.
		And of course, that's a wonderful feeling people who have experienced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good feeling.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		They don't come back to tell us.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's ever came back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, that's my point.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So isn't it possible that it's lights out and that's it?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I don't feel that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's what I wanted to get at.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Joseph DeLoise.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Marlington, West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My name is Roberts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		And I even had to use my mind powers to get on this line.
		Usually months I've tried.
		What I've done is I dialed and then I kept pressing redown.
		I said, wait a second, didn't press redown.
		I did.
		Sure enough, I got through.
		What I was wondering, which I believe is true, if you can do a show on it to help people concentrate on good things.
		Of course, you put a little fear into them of things more than likely yet to come.
		But of course, you can see into the future.
		And then many times I could see things and try to help people.
		But I believe by you can make these things happen, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's coming back full circle to where we were, Joseph.
		In other words, sometimes you said yourself that you have done PK.
		You did it with Dice in Vegas.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, then that's healing, too.
		You can do healing as you can do.
		Psychokinesis, energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Psychokinesis.
		All right, fine.
		But why, then, should you not imagine that sometimes these things that you see that are going to happen, a ground near fire near the White House, a volcano erupting, are you sure that you're not causing these things?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'm positive that I'm not causing it.
		I mean, I've gone through this so many times with people, you know, people calling me up, Joseph, you're causing these things.
		Oh, I'm saying, okay.
		So I make a prediction, nothing happens.
		What does it prove?
		Proves nothing.
		Or should I get on the phone?
		You know, when I predicted the Indianapolis plane crash, I was on television.
		I made a prediction.
		I predicted how many people would be on it.
		What time of the day?
		Three weeks later, two planes crashed in Indianapolis.
		That never happened.
		So I caused it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's pretty good.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Next thing I'll be doing is walking across water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me know about that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joseph DeLoise.
		Hi, where are you, please?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Florida, okay.
unidentified		Chilly, Florida, right now, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to yell at us a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Sorry, is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much better.
unidentified		All right.
		at a question concerning we keep or uh...
		I was told at one time that you can pull something through them.
		And to be quite honest, I had a very bad experience with one, and it scared the living daylights out of me.
		And that's when I was told about this.
		And I was just wondering how true that is.
		Or if it's possible.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the Ouija board, you contacted a nurse bond spirit.
		And because you were afraid, you gave it up or you burned it.
		The best thing to do is burn it.
		Don't give it to anyone.
		Don't give that bad luck, that spirit to anyone.
unidentified		We burned it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It seems like I'm talking like I'm naive, but I've been involved in this work so long that I know there's something evil about it.
		And people shouldn't Even give it away as toys.
		They shouldn't have it in the closet.
		They should get rid of it.
unidentified		I agree.
		So do I. After the experience we had, we burned it.
		Thank God.
		I'll tell you, I've never seen something, I've never seen a fire quite like it.
		It was very unusual.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you burned whatever it was, the spirit or the energy or whatever.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You know, a lot of people are going to run out and do this to buy it, to see if they can do it.
unidentified		I advise you to.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And when it works, that's when you've got problems.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know what happened to the cat.
		The curious cat.
		Right.
		All right.
		Thanks, dear.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joseph DeLoise.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good evening, Art.
		Good evening, Joseph.
		Good morning, wherever you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too will have to yell at us a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's start out with where you are.
unidentified		I'm in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		California, California.
unidentified		I'm one of your frequent callers relating some interesting phenomenons that have happened to me in the past.
		And I made a number of predictions on your prediction line, which had come true, one being Mel's Hole of a couple years ago.
		And I've noticed, though, since 1999 is here, these various psychic feelings that I've used to get are a little bit askew.
		I used to feel I could go somewhere and something good is going to happen to me there, but then it turns sour for some reason.
		That's one of my questions is, have you noticed this is going to happen much in 1999 for people who have a psychic connection of some sort?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, between you and I, when you want something good and something doesn't happen good, it's usually you're storing up something good to happen.
		There's nothing wrong with bad things happening.
		As long as you recognize it.
unidentified		Well, in this one case, I felt something great was going to happen.
unidentified		I got a work call today, and then within an hour, they called back and said, no, we don't need you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You know why?
		You're probably going to get something better.
		I remember a couple of years ago, I did a show in Pasadena, and actually, we had a big audit time.
		Hundreds of people showed up with their own boots.
		And we had nobody come in.
		I had two ladies come in that I gave a reading.
		And both of these ladies were interested in some type of royal stock or getting rid of the royal stock.
		Well, the point is, I turned around, gave the ladies the name of this lawyer that I knew that was in there, and I made a commission.
		I made more than everybody made there, but something, not something bad, something that didn't happen, turned out weeks later, you know, benefited me.
		It's gross, too.
unidentified		I had a synchronicity thing happen to me today again, Art.
		I heard some pounding upstairs in an upstairs apartment.
		I thought it was vacant, so I kind of looked out the window and said, what are they doing, building a new house?
		And I went to the mailbox and saw the name of the, it was being occupied.
		People's last name were New House.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And one other quick question then is, how come you never hear of like an eight or a ten-year-old in America that has this incredible psychic ability where the teacher might have to call home and say, hey, your kid's too psychic.
unidentified		Would you tell them to stop reading the teacher?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		I'll tell you what I think about that.
		And Joseph, we can talk about that a little bit.
		I think that children are naturally psychic and that we are the ones who literally psychologically beat it out of them.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		That's true.
		They lose it by the time they're 8, 9, 10 years old.
		But when they're a little, you know, 7, 8, 9, they see things, they feel things.
		In fact, when I was a child, my mother always used to take me on the side and ask me, what do you see about this?
		How do you feel about this lady?
		Then she'd drag me to church to pray.
		You know, my thoughts were, leave me alone, I want to play.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your mother, instead of saying, Joseph, stop that foolishness, your mother encouraged it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		My mother encouraged me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No wonder.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I was like from the old country, and, you know, she was always at church.
		And she believed I had a spirit to heal.
		And she wanted me to be a priest.
		I eventually became a minister 25 years ago.
		I did it for protecting what I was doing.
		And I continued doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's a fact I didn't know about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were a minister?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, for about 30 years.
		But you see, I didn't have the calling.
		You had to have a calling.
		You know what?
		You don't like to pass the basket.
		You don't get donations.
		And when I meditated, Spirit told me that, Joseph, you will be rewarded in another way.
		You're a spiritual person.
		You're helping people.
		You don't have to have a church, but I do.
		I got people that belong to it, people that we have meetings.
		We try to raise money for organization, this type of thing.
		And I like it.
		And it's hard, really hard to really get something going.
		Grassroots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you sure you don't want to sell something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've got a book, don't you?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to make a plea.
		Well, first thing, they can get my book in the library.
		It's called Psychic Mission.
		It's Regney by Tom Valentine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it out of print now or still in print?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's out of print.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's out of print, so.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		But it's in the library.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the library.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		There's another one by Brad Steiger called Psychic Chicago.
		And there's a whole chapter about me in it.
		I'm pretty sure they can get that in the library.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think Brad Steiger writes books in his sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		This guy is crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's absolutely amazing, isn't he?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		He is, really.
		We've done a lot of shows together at the McCormick Place.
		Yeah.
		When he's on again, mention Joseph De Luis.
		He's the one that wrote about the plane crash hitting a mountain.
		And, of course, the article didn't come out until three months later.
		And the plane crash happened two weeks after I predicted it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll ask him.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, ask him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Joseph DeLuis.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Quad Cities, USA, Rock Island, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rock Island, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, turn your radio off.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Now, I'd like to know if Mr. De Loise could identify a location of a potential situation, a city, state, and address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh no, we're not doing readings.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, we're not doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you didn't hear me?
unidentified		Um no, I I misunderstood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do you have any other questions?
unidentified		Um no, I just needed to know a uh potential uh location of a situation that I uh that is a dire situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, sorry, we're not doing that.
		Um see inevitably that's what people try to do, but oh well.
		Yeah, I know, but they can't help themselves.
		Wildgarline, you're on the air with Joseph Delawies.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, gentlemen.
		Bill from Youngstown, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		Hi.
		This I want to run two things by you and Joseph.
		One has to do with David Michael Oates as person, things that have come up tonight, and if there's time something on Chef Quittick, I don't think I missed the program where you had Mr. Oates on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but that that's not for now, sir.
unidentified		No, it has to do with Ouija boards, and I think that and tape recorders.
		I think you'd find it interesting what I had to say.
		And I'd be interested what Joseph says.
		Nothing about predicting or anything.
		All right.
		I was very active in the medical physical community in New York City for 25 years.
		And something became faddish in the 70s dealing with tape recorders.
		I don't want to say what is because I don't want your listeners to try it's dangerous.
		But it's in the same line of Ouija boards.
		Where under certain circumstances voices would appear and the more people did it, the more demonic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about people who record the voices of the dead.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		This is something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or demonic voices or whatever.
unidentified		Well, it it it's not exactly I know what you're talking about.
		This is this is slightly different.
		And so many people started having so many problems that it quietly went to sleep.
		I always had the feeling through the years that you and Mr. Oates were going to have a falling out based on this.
		And I wonder what Mr. Eloise thinks if the voices that come on the reverse playing of the tape are in fact not related to the people that are on the forward playing of the tape.
		There could be some other forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I don't know.
		That's a question that would be utterly outside of Joseph's realm.
		So sorry about that.
		And by the way, regarding predictions that are made after the fact, I'm not very impressed.
		Predictions made after the occurrence, whatever it is, really are not too impressive.
		In other words, predicting a falling out between two people or predicting an airplane crash, you know, like two or three days after it happens.
		It's just not all that impressive to me.
		All right, we'll take a break here at the bottom of the hour and do one more segment.
		Joseph DeLouise is my guest.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from January
		Coast to Coast AM from January 11, 1999.
		11, 1999.
		I can't remember in the day I've been to the city of the city.
		I'm running every time You will see you stay beside I'm watching you for more And have you turn around and say Stay on the way Take my
		breath away I'm watching, I keep waiting Till I'm taking the pain Never had to go I'm meditating to become a favorite
		one Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh You're the Steve Mark Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 11th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Joseph DeLouise, who has been for all his life a psychic.
		Now in his 70s, he's got a very long record of hits in his predictions.
		He's our guest.
		He'll be right back.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 11, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Back now to Joseph Deloise.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to ask you a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're far away.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		If the volcano blows its top, did I create it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I mean, I. How do you know you didn't?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		You know.
		It's just like, you remember when you were meditating or you transmitted that Texas was dry to bring some rain?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know about all of that, huh?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And then it rained, and then you caused, you got accused of flooding.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I refuse to mess around with hurricanes.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just don't feel I laid here and got that, and I says it was that, but I just see it.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Joseph Deloise and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Joseph.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Art, I saw your picture in Entertainment Weekly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, right about Millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even know it was in there.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That should be fun.
unidentified		Hey, I'm looking forward to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're going to pin the whole Millennium thing on me.
		I'm waiting.
		Captain Millennium?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Master Millennium.
unidentified		Master Millennium.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You created it.
unidentified		You see?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You created it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Millennium Master.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You'd be blamed for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm blamed for everything else, so that'll be all right.
unidentified		Hey, just real quick off the subject.
unidentified		Whatever happened to Drudger's big announcement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know is the answer.
		I don't know that he has yet issued it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the answer.
unidentified		I have a question for Joseph.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		A lot of times, this is kind of weird, when I drive under or walk under street lights, they turn off or on.
		It kind of happens quite a bit, so I don't even, you know, it doesn't even surprise me anymore.
		But you think that's a coincidence?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No, that's psychokinesis.
unidentified		Really?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, a lot of times when I used to get mad or get upset, I would blow out a, what do you call it, a lamp.
		And people would say, oh, my God.
		And, you know, was it a coincidence?
		I don't know.
		There's something there, you know, not mind over matter, but psychokinesis to be able to cause things to happen.
		Flickering lights, moving things around on the table.
		You know, that's some type of energy that you have.
		Too bad you can't put into use.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you try playing dice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's got a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it a shot.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, don't take the family jewels down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it a try.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, just zap it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, the reason I ask you about cause and effect is because you told me yourself you have the power to affect things in a material world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then, why not events in time stream?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's make that keep it simple, stupid.
		What are you trying to say?
		That I can make things happen?
		I can make dice show up when they're listening to me, and then they quit listening.
		So it's, I don't, I don't understand the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is just an open one that I haven't only wondered about you, Joseph, but about these kinds of abilities generally.
		In other words, there is a thin gray line between predicting an event and then causing an event.
		Now, if you can cause a small event, then why can't you cause a larger event?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Oh, in other words, I can accuse you of causing a big event, causing the floods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can, and I'll tell you, I don't just.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to do it alone.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You did it with thousands of other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe millions.
		That's right.
		Maybe millions.
		That's right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Is it possible?
		I would say yes.
		You did something good, and it turned out to be bad on top of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything to this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe the power of millions of minds concentrating on a single event is more powerful than one?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Not really, because years ago they tried that experiment to try to get rid of Hitler, and they never got rid of Hitler.
		There were groups set up and seances to transmit that something would happen to him.
		Nothing happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But did they ever try millions of people at once?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought, I really thought, and I'm still on the edge of trying it, but I thought once, why not have millions of people concentrate on a little tiny blood vessel in Saddam Hussein's headroom?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not kidding.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know you're not kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you try that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the reasons I haven't tried it is because probably I'd fall over dead.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		No.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		What would happen if you're transmitting this, he would give a little angerism, he'd start a war and bomb everything, and you'd be the cause of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		See, that's why I don't do these things now.
		Wildcard line, you're on the oath.
		Joseph DeLoise, hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Greg from Balcon, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Hi, Joseph.
unidentified		How are you?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Not bad.
unidentified		Good.
		Hey, I've got kind of a two-part question for you, kind of a fun question.
		What's the most frightening experience that you've had personally in a seance in your life, or the most frightening one that's been related to you?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The most frightening one was that we were having a seance, a group of about 12 people, and there was one girl that was very jealous of another girl's pregnancy.
		And this girl was positive that she caused her having, what do you call it, a miscarriage.
		We broke up that group right away because everybody wasn't in tune.
		And that was a real negative type of thing.
		Everybody was working against each other.
		When everybody works with each other as a seance, something good could happen.
		You can have a collective phenomenon where everybody would feel or see something.
		But that's very, very rare.
		Maybe out of 20, 30 seances, everybody would see the same thing or create something.
		Depends who your leader is.
		You've got to be led into these things.
unidentified		And R., just a quick question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I know your episode of Millennium is coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		January 22nd.
unidentified		It is January 22nd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was it?
unidentified		Thank you, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you bet.
		Take care.
		Bye-bye.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joseph Deloise.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, hi.
		It's so nice to talk to you.
		I just found you a few months ago by mistake.
		I think it was like the night that you disappeared, and I'm like, what is going on?
		And you came back, and I'm so thrilled.
		But anyways, I'm Catherine in Atlanta with girled up with some of my eight cats here.
		And well, first I have a comment about the fungus and marijuana, and then I have a question for Joseph.
		Joseph, you're just wonderful.
		You're hitting on so many cool things.
		But you know when this country was founded, were you aware that like Jefferson and Washington and the founders of this country were all required to grow hemp?
		It was such a valuable crop and now they won't allow nobody to grow here and to put it on the endangered species list purposely, which is what they're going to end up doing, I find absolutely amazing.
		I'm sitting here crocheting hats and things out of hemp which I do for a craft sort of a thing.
		But anyway, Joseph, you mentioned your cats and I know you're a cat lover art.
		Do you feed off of their psychic energy in any way?
		Do you find that, like you said, that cat was sitting on your nose?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		On my notes, right, Shirley.
unidentified		Do you feed off of them?
unidentified		Do they give you any enhancement to your psychic?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
		I look at her in the eyes and tell her, what do you want?
		Get away from here.
		And she meows and still sticks around.
		But I feel comfortable.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, yeah, because I've always had lots of cats, and I do feel the psychic energies and things from them at times.
		And in fact, my nickname is cat.
		And, you know, I just really feel like they're very psychic creatures.
		And being, as you said, you had four of them, I think.
		I wonder if that contributed in any way.
		Did you always have cats?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Always had cats.
unidentified		Me too.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I've always had cats.
		And, you know, once in a while they sit around, and I tell the cats to make a prediction.
		Of course, they meow, meow, meow.
		They don't do anything.
		They say, well, what good are you?
		Well, we want to eat.
		Of course, let's go take you down to eat.
unidentified		But I don't know.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I draw some energy on cats for some reason.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It makes me feel very comfortable, and they're very loving.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And very independent, too.
unidentified		Well, good.
		Then I don't feel like I'm totally nuts.
		Because I do, too.
		All right.
		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joseph, do you think there is something particularly spiritual about cats?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Well, maybe I heard, but was it Egypt?
		They all had cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the saying goes that Egyptians once worshipped cats, and cats have never forgotten this.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, my feeling is something to it, but, you know, I can't put my finger on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, cats were always associated with witchcraft.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With witches.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Especially black ones.
		I won't let my black cat out because I really don't want anybody to catch the cat and sacrifice it.
		There are a lot of lunatics out there, and cats, they love to sacrifice.
		In fact, this was when I was involved with the Zodiac that I predicted he was doing animal sacrifice, this type of thing.
		There's a lot of crazy people out there, but I guess it takes a lot of people to make the world.
		But just a little far out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does take a lot of people to make the world.
unidentified		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And you can't change it.
		The world will always be the same.
		Good things, bad things.
		This one reason I tell people, a lot of bad things that happen to you are the good things once they turn around.
		I remember I had a lady come to me and I told her, I feel real good with your job.
		I feel a raise.
		Well, she called me up three weeks later.
		She says, I got fired.
		You were absolutely wrong.
		About a month and a half later, she calls me up, Joseph, you were right.
		I got a different job.
		It's better.
		I'm making more money.
unidentified		And I said, well, you know, it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's like generic advice.
		I mean, that almost happens to everybody who loses a job.
		They end up with something better.
		I mean, the grass is always greener.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		I remember about 25 years ago on WLS, I was giving readings, you know, personal readings.
		A lady called up, and I says, I see four children around you.
		She says, you're absolutely crazy.
		I don't have any children.
		I wouldn't have any children.
		About six years later, she calls me up.
		She says, Joseph, you were right.
		I says, what?
		She says, my son and my daughter-in-law were in a terrible accident.
		Both of them got killed.
		I ended up with the kids.
		What else do you see?
unidentified		I says, how do I know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Joseph DeLoise.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I had a question for Joseph and then a real quick comment for you, Art.
		All right.
		Joseph, how would I don't know if I really have any psychic ability myself, but I have always been able to send a feeling, like if I was really upset or something, it's usually negative, but if I was really upset, I would be able to send a feeling to my grandmother.
		And she's over 350 miles away.
		And she's always been on the receiving end.
		And I've been one of them, she can read you.
		So it's not really me, then it's her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, Joseph, it's her talent, not his big transmitter.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me put it this way.
		You know, during the war, there's a lot of boys that went overseas, a lot of boys that got wounded, and the mother would wake up in the middle of the night and say, so, something's wrong with my son.
		They would feel it.
		They didn't know exactly what was wrong.
		But there was this transmission, this, what do we call it, silver cord that transmitted.
		And the mother wakes up in the middle of the night, and a couple of weeks later, she gets a telegram.
		The son's in the hospital, and she knew or felt it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is what happens to me with Daniel Brinkley.
		In fact, it's irritating he's so good at it.
		I'll be in a crisis situation of one sort or another.
		Daniel will inevitably call me and say, hey, what the hell's going on?
		I mean, inevitably, every single time without fail, and he might go a month or two without calling me, something's going on in my life big time.
		He's on the phone right away.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		That man's very telling that He can pick up your vibes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		I think you can.
		I know you can.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		You're sort of attached some way or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, you said you had something for me.
unidentified		Yeah, your photo that you put on the web with that tunnel machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I work for Lockheed Martin Aerodynamics, and we have a very high-quality scanner.
unidentified		And Monday I will scan it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that in fact a tunneling machine?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		But what was more interesting to me was not the machine itself, but the fact of the geographical location, the kind of rock.
		Also, if you notice, there's a sign that you can't quite read.
		It's blurry.
		And I'm enhancing that Monday.
		I'm going to find out.
		I have no doubt that I'll be able to see what that sign says.
		It could be just a danger.
		Don't stand right here.
		If that was a tunnel machine, that would be good advice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be good advice.
		But if it was a jet engine or a rocket engine, that would also be really sound advice.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm from Hyington Beach, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I had a comment and a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
unidentified		Comment basically for Joseph.
		I kind of feel like poor Joseph's been going through the mill with you about creating these earthquakes.
		It's phenomenal.
		I totally agree that, you know, he doesn't create them, but I think that because he's so sensitive and so aware, he picks up the vibration just like a dog would pick it up, you know, and you do see animals pick up vibrations the week ahead.
		And I think I've done the same thing.
		I've picked up earthquakes, you know, actually the day before.
		So I know that we're not creating them.
		We're just tuned into them, just like a radio channel.
		You're just on the frequency and you're able to pull it in and reach that frequency.
		And also, I wanted to ask Joseph, I have lately, I've had lots of psychic experience and things happen to me that were bizarre, but yet I know it's from God and I just trust it.
		But lately I've been having this thing with UFOs and it's just been only three times in my life, but the last couple times it's like I've almost been signaled to look up in the sky at a certain place.
		Not signaled, but it's almost like I can't tell if it's my psychic ability saying they're out there and this is where you need to look.
		And it's like I've been really aware of this and the last couple times it's been I've looked, it's been there, it's moved, I've looked again, it's been there, it's moved.
		And it was like almost like playing with me or teasing me, but I've seen it and it's been in broad daylight and I don't know how to explain that if it's my psychic ability or my rod to my eyes because I've been more spiritually awakened to be able to see this vibration or what it is exactly.
		Does he have any comment on that?
		Sure.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
		I hate to say this because I have a lot of people come in.
		It could be that there's bacteria in our eyes a lot of times.
unidentified		No, it's not that.
		Yeah, it's not that.
		You know how you know when you know?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		How do you know?
unidentified		When you know.
unidentified		Your inner self just knows when you know, just like when you know you have Just like when you have an experience and you know it's real for you.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		It's your reality.
unidentified		It's definitely reality.
		And I always wonder, because I've heard different things about UFOs, but they're actually not solid tangible objects.
		They're actually thought vibrations sent to this.
		Well, what's your picking up on this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what he said earlier was that some people are wired to see them.
		And I thought that was a very interesting comment.
		Wired to see them.
		Other people don't see them.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
		That's what I wanted to ask.
		I don't know if it's wired for me.
		I think it's more like you've grown into your evolving into your awareness to be able to pick up and finely tune into that vibration.
		It's almost like the psychics that become finely tuned and they can pick up that thought wave or that pattern and get the premonition.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		The truth is this.
		My feeling is with all this television, all these radio, and all this about flying saucers.
		Now, sometimes that goes into the subconscious mind when you're unconscious, when you're sleeping or resting, and actually you start seeing these things, but they're from your own head.
		I'm not accusing that it's in your own head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, again, it might be my fault because I do a lot of shows on these kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People fall asleep with their radios on.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right, now what happens is when they fall asleep, they can't intellectualize that they're sleeping, and their analyzer is sleeping.
		And so what happens a couple of weeks later, a couple of months later, they call you up and they tell you they were abducted, they're positive, and we have an abduction here.
		And if you put them under a lie detector, they can pass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Sure, because they believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's there.
		So I guess that's where we'll leave it.
		You know, we're out of time, but Jose, it really has been a giant pleasure having you on the program.
		And is there any way for people to contact you?
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm looking, well, let me put it this way, because I really don't like to give personal readings, but I do have a little pamphlet put together.
		It's called It's All In Your Mind.
		And I can make a couple of hundred copies or whatever, and I can mail them out.
		If they send me a self, what is it, a self-addressed stamp envelope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're not asking for any money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just send a self-addressed stamp envelope.
unidentified		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And make sure they put the new stamp on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the new 33 cent stamp.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		And I'll be glad to insert it and put a couple of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, thank you so much.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joseph delouise ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		There, folks, is Joseph DeLoise.
		Tomorrow night, Y2K and the power grid.
		It should be very, very interesting.
		But for tonight, I'm afraid we are out of time, as my friends in Western Canada would say.

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