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Dec. 14, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Peter Gersten - Attorney for Ufologists. Richard C. Hoagland - Turret Peak

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land and beyond.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Great to be here.
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		In a moment, we're going to get an update from Richard Hoagland on the Durrett Mountain business.
		And he's got a witness, somebody who was there on Durrett Mountain.
		He's also got more information on these radar pictures.
		You remember we were talking about these radar pictures and somebody called up and said, oh, no, that's ground clutter?
		Oh, no, it's not.
		I heard from, I don't know how many radar technicians afterward who said, no, it might be ground clutter for a little while, but this radar is not intended to look at the ground.
		And if it sees it, it's inadvertent and for a very short distance, not the kind of distance we see in those photographs.
		So there you are.
		Then next hour, we're going to hear from Peter Gerson, who is an attorney and does a lot of pro bono work for ufologists.
		and so he knows a lot of what's going on legally in the UFO community.
		And it will dovetail to some degree into the work that...
		And so he knows a lot of what's going on legally in the UFO community.
		And it will dovetail to some degree into the work that Richard is doing right now.
		So all of that is directly ahead if you will just simply stay right where you are.
		Well, I think that he's someplace in Arizona.
		Here is Richard C. Hoagland.
		Richard somewhere in Arizona.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		What are you thinking about?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I am in Phoenix tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Traveling man.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Heading back toward Albuquerque.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We saw the images.
		I hope everybody did last week on your website.
		If you didn't, better my site.
		Jump over to Enterprisemission.com.
		Look at the images up there, folks.
		We've got more news on them tonight.
		How do you want to unwind this, Richard?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me try to give an overview quickly here.
		About two months ago, we did a show on the ostensible announcement by a Paul Dorr from England of a signal coming from someplace in space from the direction of a constellation called Pegasus.
		And over the succeeding weeks, we've been trying to figure out, was it real?
		Was it a hoax?
		Is it a heads-up?
		Was someone alerting us to something?
		We put together a lot of dots in the way of military sources that have contacted us over the preceding six months.
		And it all came down to a little tiny piece of undiscovered real estate in central Arizona called Turret Peak.
		And something that ostensibly was going to occur on or around December 6th or 7th of this month.
		And when the 6th arrived, several bizarre things did in fact occur.
		One was the worst snowstorm in 30 years hit central Arizona and covered, along other places, Phoenix with snow they haven't seen, as I said, for decades.
		Eyewitnesses driving on I-17 north and other people on Turret Mountain, including people like Terry Major, who you had on last week, reported a bizarre phenomenon of clear sky above the mountain while there was snow blowing around it horizontally with no wind.
		And above that, of course, the radar images that showed a radar image from Sky Harbor painting the snow that showed a bizarre doughnut or a hole-like appearance in the snow cover that looked like some kind of ring that was neatly wrapped around this little piece of nowhere called Turret Mountain.
		Now, when people normally think of rings and radar, they see artifacts in the radar images presented by the radar itself.
		The problem here is that the radar was located far south of Turret Mountain, and the ring was located around the mountain itself, in the snow, in the snow in the atmosphere.
		This got us looking at other websites that had come to us by way of contact, up to and including people affiliated with Peter Girsten, who you're going to have on in the next hour.
		And we've been trying to map out with this kind of amateur intelligence network of sources, contact, other websites, people looking at bizarre phenomenon and not knowing how they fit.
		And it all kind of converged last week before I went to Las Vegas to Robert Goeswolf's conference on the fact that the DOR statement, all DOR, on the web months ago, was apparently trying to get us to look at the weather radar specifically on the period of time in question, December 6th and 7th.
		And the hope was that if we did that, we would see a larger picture.
		We would see something occurring, and in fact, we have.
		If you go to our web tonight, you will find another update, another set of links with a new posting, which includes now some pieces we have fit together as to what we think we're seeing.
		It's beginning to look as if what we were triggered to look at, we were tipped to look at, was the turning on of a nationwide defense system, some kind of electronic defense system, whose side effect is that it does funny things to the weather, and civilian radar is able to pick up the weather's signature.
		And this system, this shield system, is codenamed Project Samson, which comes from a Hebrew derivation of the word brightness, because the ancient shields would reflect the sun, and so Samson, identified with the bright one, the sun, became synonymous with a shield.
		This shield system was apparently activated after being tested all during the summer from June on.
		We have archive radar data now going back to June showing these Bizarre cookie cutter type cutouts in the snow patterns over certain regions of the United States.
		Ken Johnston, who of course you've had on your show, former NASA test astronaut, Rumman Boeing employee, NASA employee, very ably in the last 48 hours has put together a map with the weather radar overlaid on a position series of military bases.
		And that map is now on our website, linked in the latest update at the top of our page tonight.
		There's a perfect match.
		These circles are, these phenomena in the weather radar, which is civilian-based, are centered not on the civilian radar stations.
		They're centered on military installations that are nearby some of the major cities, which are covered by this civilian radar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In how many cases do we see circles that are not adjacent to military bases?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		One or two.
		They're extraordinarily...
		But we're secret installations like Turret Peak.
		There is nothing at Turret Peak, but there is a mountain nearby called, guess what?
unidentified		White Horse, which is Pegasus.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And that was what Door, if it was Door, I mean, there's this whole ambiguity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have news for you on Paul Dorr.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He would like to appear with you on this program.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, finally, after months of running, he wants to stand still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wants to appear.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You up for it?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Let's have him on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll contact him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will contact him.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because Peter Gerson has been getting email from Paul Dorr, who has been telling us all kinds of neat things in code.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And it's time that everybody who's really trying to alert us to a bigger picture stand still, put their evidence on the table, and be accountable for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, it went strangely with Paul Dore, Richard.
		Originally, he wrote to me saying, Half unfair you're using my name in connection with this hoax.
		And I said, do you want to come on there?
		And at first he said yes.
		Then he wrote another email and said, no, I don't.
		Now he's written yet another email and said, yes, I do want to come on, and I want to be on when Richard's on.
unidentified		So I said, okay, I'll see if I can set it up.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		The curious thing about Paul Dore is that without ever having a conversation, Paul Dore, in a private email to Gersten, accused me of being behind a so-called Pegasus hoax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I too got an email early on from Paul Dore, and he thought you were behind it.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, given that we're looking at things and we're not behind it, I find it interesting that he now has turned about one more time and, in fact, willing to do a show that I tried to put together over a month ago.
		Well, it's well and good.
		Now, this is all anchored in supportable data.
		This radar data, coast to coast, is so absolutely unambiguous and so inexplicable.
		I was at this conference over the weekend there across the hill from you with, among others, Stephen Greer.
		Stephen Greer, as you know, has briefed people from Admiral Zee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's guessed here many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He has had high-level contacts with the Joint Chiefs, military people, CIA, whatever.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He saw this data for the first time last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you say?
unidentified		He is blown away.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He is stunned, not only by what he's seeing, but by the implication of what he's seeing, because it fits together with data that he has been led to look at from the inside.
		Some of these high-level military sources who are not in the chain of command, who are apparently looking themselves at events that are taking place that are not supposed to be taking place.
		So he has taken our sources and our links and has gone back to Washington, and we're going to stay in close touch over the next several days so we get that side of the fence looking at whatever's going on.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have with us tonight a witness, somebody who was at Turret Peak, and I don't want to keep him on hold too long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we bring him up and let him say something?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Good idea.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Darrell Smith, ladies and gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, you also are in Arizona someplace, right?
unidentified		Yes, in Scottsdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scottsdale.
		All right.
		You were on or went to Turret Peak on the night of the question, in question, right?
unidentified		It was Monday night, December 7th.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		Well, a friend of mine, Kevin, had called and he had said, Daryl, are you interested in going to Turret Peak tonight?
		Because we've been following everything that had been taking place on the show for the last few months.
		And I told him I wasn't sure.
		And then he told me he was going to drive out there in his car.
		And then I told him that, come on over, I'm going to go with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		A little background on you, Daryl.
		Who are you?
		What kind of work do you do?
unidentified		See, for the last 18 years, I've been developing various computer technologies and a senior programmer.
unidentified		Everything from video compression to technologies that have been used in various video games and so on and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		And so I have been very familiar with the web and so on and so forth and an advit off-rotor.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You have a Hammer, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		And that's why I told Kevin that I was going to go with him because he was going to actually try going to Turret Peak in his car.
		And I thought that wouldn't exactly be the safest thing to do.
		So I told him to come over and we packed up my Humvee, made sure we had everything that we needed, and we headed out.
		This was approximately at about, it was around 11 o'clock or 11, or basically 11 p.m. that evening.
		It took us approximately 45 minutes to an hour to going up I-17 towards the exit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Weren't you right in the middle of a snowstorm?
unidentified		No, that was the day before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that was the previous day.
unidentified		Yeah, that was on Saturday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, okay.
unidentified		And so the following day was that Monday, and so we basically headed up 17 on our way to Turret Peak to kind of like see if there was going to be anything there.
		We didn't know, wasn't expecting anything in particular, but we were just curious.
		So we basically headed up there and approximately we got to our final destination in the Turret Peak area at approximately 12 o'clock midnight.
		Turret peak is approximately about 15, 16 miles of fairly bad off-roading off of I-17.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appropriate for a Humvee.
unidentified		Yep.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It just leaves getting worse and worse.
unidentified		Yep, and worse and worse.
		Yes, exactly.
		When you first get off the highway, the road's not too bad.
		About for the first two to three miles, we saw that evening two other vehicles.
		One was just a standard car, and then the other was another 4x4, and they were basically coming in the opposite direction.
		And for about the first two to three miles, it's not too bad.
		But as you start getting deeper and deeper into the forest, it starts getting more severe.
		Well, at approximately 12 that evening, we arrived at Forrest Road 44.
		And Forrest Road 44 is the road that you turn off of, off of Bloody Basin, in order to get to Turret Peak.
		Well, as we were going down that road, we came up to kind of a barbed wire fence or kind of a guard to keep the cattle either on one side or the other.
		And so we got out of the car, pulled the fence back so we could go into it.
		We drove in, closed the fence, and started on our way down the road.
		Now, as you go on to this forest road, the forest road is substantially more severe than the regular part of the road.
		Unless you have a fairly decent 4x4, it's not advisable to even attempt to go there.
		As we're going through there, about literally 30 seconds later, Kevin heard a sound, a hissing noise, and he said, is there something wrong with the tire?
		And I said, no, I don't think it is.
		And I looked down at my pressure gauge, and everything looked fine.
		And then a few seconds later, I looked down, and my pressure gauge and all four tires had dropped from approximately 40 pounds down to like 5 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were getting four flat tires.
unidentified		Yes, I was getting four flat tires.
		And so I immediately stopped and said, Kevin, I've got to check into something.
		I think we've got a substantial problem here.
		So I got out of the car, and I proceeded to walk around the car.
		And all the tires at that moment were fairly flat, but nothing major until I went to my back right tire, and I noticed that there was a slash in the tire that was approximately a half a foot in length, all the way from the hub of the wheel all the way down to the tread.
		And I'm looking at that going, how the hell did that happen?
		And I'm looking around, and I didn't see anything that could have caused that type of damage.
		I've been off-roading in my Humvee for the last three and a half years, and you normally know when you get that type of a slice in the tire, it's normally because of a very large rock or something that you did stupid.
		And at the time, we were traveling at approximately like five miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you said you were on a very rough road, though.
unidentified		Yeah, but normally it takes a road a lot rougher than what we're on because that type of tire damage.
unidentified		And so we basically got out and said, okay, let's hurry up and fix this so we can continue on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you fix it?
unidentified		Very carefully.
unidentified		The first thing we had to do is figure out exactly where we could find some stable ground because at the time, it was starting to cool off and the ground was in the transition between still kind of mud from the snow and getting firm again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, you're going to have to hold on.
		Richard, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Gee, tire-wise, that's 4-0.
		Yikes, I'm Marpel.
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		Don't touch that dial.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Love is good, love is strong.
		We've got to get right back to where we're done from.
		We've got to get right back to where we're done from.
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		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I seem to be.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We've got Richard Hoagland and Daryl Smith, who was on Turret Mountain the night of the 7th of December.
		And four tires, four or no?
		Interesting, I suppose, possible, but not very probable.
		So we'll continue with this saga in a moment.
		All right, back to my guest now.
		And Daryl, the first obvious question to me, I tried to ask it, is the part I don't understand, if a tire is punctured, and particularly if four are punctured or lanced, how would you fix them on the best of ground?
unidentified		Well, the nice thing about the Hummer is, or actually the nice thing about, or if not the nice thing, but our main problem was the fact that there was basically the one tire that was punctured, but the reason that all four went down is all four tires are connected to each other through a central tire inflation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, oh, oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		And so in order to keep the balance of pressure equal on all four tires, they're all together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never been in a Humvee.
		That's really cool.
		I see.
		That's how you were able to read the pressure.
		Okay, I'm with you now.
		I'm with you.
unidentified		Yeah, because right under my steering wheel, there's a pressure gauge that lets me know what the pressure is for my front and rear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And so when the rear right tire got lanced, basically, since they were all in part of the same central system, all of the air for all four went out of that one tire.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		See, normally, if you were to run over a small rock or nail or something, you'd have a very slow leak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And the shared system allows the other tires to supply air to the injured tire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And it gives you a warning, and you can pull over and you can do something about it.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's not for the catastrophic kind of failure that Daryl encountered that night as the beginning of a cascade of catastrophic files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is why we pay big dollars for the Humvee.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's what, it's about $75,000, Daryl?
unidentified		Yeah, that's before you put the armor plating on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must be armor plating.
		You must be a good programmer, Daryl.
		Okay, we're short on time, so let's get through this.
		What happened next?
unidentified		Well, so the first thing we did is immediately I got out of the car to isolate the tires as far as to take that one damaged tire and take it off the system so I could start inflating the other three tires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So we started the other three tires inflating while we started pulling out all the tools so we could start getting that one tire off.
		And as we started putting the jack under the car, our biggest problem then became finding stable ground because the jack wasn't working too well trying to lift 7,000 pounds of car in the mud and ice.
		So we drove the car approximately about around 10 yards down a little bit further where the ground had become a little bit more firm since it was starting to get below freezing.
		And we started to jack the car up.
		Well, we got the car jacked up and we started working on getting the tire off.
		And during the process of getting the tire off, I was occasionally, I kept hearing kind of a low thumping or thud type of a noise.
		And I would ask Kevin, did he hear anything?
		And he didn't hear anything.
		And we'd keep on working.
		And then all of a sudden, he would hear something, and then I didn't.
		And for quite a while, we really didn't think anything of it until about 45 minutes into the process of getting the tire off and changing it, we started both hearing the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's when...
unidentified		Something.
unidentified		It was kind of one way of thinking of it is imagine being pulled up to a stoplight and you have a young teenager next to you with a radio that's kind of bigger than your car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's got a big bass thump to it.
unidentified		I've got you.
		But the main differences that kind of caught our attention was at first we thought the sound was just a cow or something rustling in the bushes.
		The only thing is it was a single sound that was brief.
		And a very large cow with four legs going through a fairly dense forest with lots of leaves and lots of stuff wouldn't make a single sound like that.
		And now the other thing that was also very odd to us was the fact that in that same scenario of someone being in a car next to you, there's one mistakable thing, one thing that you would never mistake in that sound, and that's the fact that you can hear it and you can feel it.
		The difference here is we could hear it, but we didn't feel it.
		And that kind of caught our attention because that didn't make any sense.
		The concept of hearing low-frequency sounds that low or that kind of like what appeared to be very deep and not actually feeling that to some degree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I hear you.
		I was in Africa and I had elephants, wild ones, coming toward me.
		And you could feel, you could hear thump, thump, thump.
		But believe me, the ground beneath you was going thump, thump, thump.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could feel the whole thing.
unidentified		Exactly.
		So as that was going on, that was starting to make us a little uneasy.
		So that basically prompted us to go a little bit faster in trying to get the tire fixed.
		Well, while we were going through this, we started noticing that this sound would occur in durations like every, it ranged from the shortest period of time was like 15 seconds and the longest period of time was approximately about 30 seconds in frequency.
		And so this went on while we were changing the tire for a good 45 minutes of time.
		Now after we got, now as this was going on, we were also periodically cycling the car on and off, on and off, just because we would turn the car off because the exhaust pipe of the car was right where we were changing the tire and we were choking on lots of diesel exhaust and so we were cycling the car off and back on.
		Now one of the other things that kind of got strange as we were doing that is when the car is running, we can't have, we were trying to listen to your showing, we couldn't because the alternator gives off a real bad buzz that AM stations kind of like if you're trying to pick up an AM station, you've got an AM radio anywhere near Hummer, forget about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd think for $70,000 they'd clear that up.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		But when the car was off, one of the things that we were noticing is we still couldn't get the stations properly.
		And that was a little bit strange.
		So I said, well, maybe there's something wrong with my radio.
		So I pulled out my Beijing, kind of like walked away from the car, cranked it up, and was trying to pick up any of the AM stations.
		And same thing, we could barely pick up any of the AM stations.
		So we just said, hey, there must be something going on around an area that's causing interference.
		And so we weren't going to worry about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Electromagnetic interference.
unidentified		But the thing that was strange is considering that it's AM and the way the mountains are around there, there should be signals bouncing off of everything, and we shouldn't have any problem whatsoever.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You're almost 6,000 feet up there.
unidentified		Exactly.
		We were just shy of 6,000.
		We were about 5,700, 5,800 feet at the point where we were.
		And so we got the tire.
		So we're cycling the engine on and off and doing that.
		And we got the tire back on, and the frequency of the sounds kept getting greater and greater.
		But the duration was never shorter than approximately about 15 seconds.
		Well, we got the tire back on, got ready to get into the car, and the car had been off for approximately about 30 minutes.
		And we had the lights on so we could see what was going on.
		And also by then, the temperature had dropped below freezing, and it was probably just shy of 32.
		It was around 30, 31 degrees.
		Well, we got into the car, got everything all packed up, and I got ready to turn the ignition and turned the ignition, waited for the glow plugs to glow to warm up so it could start the car.
		And as soon as it said okay, tried to start the car and it went rrr rrr rr rrrrr.
		And then I looked over at Kevin and he looked at me and we kind of like said the old S word and tried it again.
		And lo and behold, we were out of luck.
		Battery was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're great night.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You have two batteries, actually, Daryl.
unidentified		Yes, and they're both basically wired together, and they were gone.
		And I wasn't thrilled about that because as soon as we got in the car, the only thing that was in my mind was my bed at home and my wife.
		And as soon as I turned that ignition in and saw that we weren't going anywhere, it was the beginning of an even more interesting night.
		So we then basically got out of the car and determined that, well, we're not going to stay Turret Mountain or Turret Peak the whole evening.
		We had been there long enough.
		We had heard enough sounds.
		There was enough problems with radio reception that we were going to basically lock up the vehicle and basically start heading out of there.
		So we got everything locked up and we kind of like started on our kind of exodus away from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were going to hike your way out?
unidentified		We were going to hike our way out.
		At first, our original intention was to go about seven miles down the road, down the mountain, to see if we could find any signs of people whatsoever, whether it was somebody in a car, somebody camping, anything, any signs of anything.
		And after going about seven miles, we were going to call that kind of like the no return point, meaning that if we went further than that, we would just have to be committed, keep on going, or we would come back and stay at the car.
		Well, so we started leaving at that point in time, and now it's approximately, it's around 2, 2.30 in the morning, and the ground has gotten to the point of very firm.
		Everything that was mud is now solid, and there's like sheets of ice all over the place.
		But the thing that was interesting at that point in time is as we were starting to walk away and start to head down the hill, the temperature felt fairly warm.
		It didn't feel like it was that cold.
		And at first we didn't think anything of it because after sitting there for almost two hours trying to change up a tire and pulling a 250-pound tire off the back and putting it on the car and all of that, going through that acrobatics, we're going, well, we're just worked up and that's why we're not cold.
		Well, it got to the point where we're walking and we start noticing that our heartbeat is getting back to normal and we're getting back into like a normal state of mind and being.
		And we were noticing that the temperature was still a lot higher than it should have been.
		And the strange thing is, at that elevation, it should have been fairly cold.
		But during that evening, as we were walking down for at least about one to two miles distance from Turret Peak itself, it was fairly warm.
		But the further we got away from Turret Peak, the temperatures started to diminish.
		And I'm not sure if, now part of it naturally is because temperatures naturally go down as time continues during the night.
		But the weird part is as we were going back to the highway or in the direction of the highway, we were changing in elevation as in we were going down.
		And so when you're going down, normally in this state, the temperature goes up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		But with us, it was the complete opposite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so where I think we're going with all of this is you experience a massive electromagnetic pulse of some sort.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You've got it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Weather control, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Adary, do you have children?
unidentified		Yes, have two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hope you don't want more.
unidentified		I've asked them to have a real next week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a great big double.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They were both very ill after this, Art.
unidentified		Daryl?
unidentified		Yeah, I was after going through our long journey through the night, I was in the bed for a couple of days.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And Kevin is still not totally back to normal?
unidentified		Yeah, me, I'm pretty much back to normal.
		My voice is not 100% there, but I'm back to normal.
		And Kevin...
		When we were walking on our way back, the temperatures is, from what we found out, the temperatures actually got as low as in the teens.
		And I told Kevin as we were walking, because that evening in our kind of like jaunt away from the truck, we walked a total of 12 miles that night.
		And that was not like 12 miles walking through the suburbs, 12 miles walking through the mountains.
		And we walked from approximately 2.30 in the morning until 8.30 that morning when we found some ranchers that actually saw us walking down the trail.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		At Horseshoe Ranch on Friday Basin Road, all right?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		And during that evening, as we were walking, I told Kevin, because a few times, Kevin has a problem with his knee and has a bad leg.
		And I told Kevin that we can't stop, because there was a few times where Kevin wanted to stop.
		And I told him that the way the temperature is out there, there's no way that we're going to stop because there's no way that we'd be able to survive properly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you stopped, you freeze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		And so it became a night of, for the first half of the evening, him keeping me in a good spirit and keeping my mind off of what's going on.
unidentified		And then hours later, when it got to the point where it actually was hurting to move, for me to kind of keep spirits going and hopefully give Kevin enough motivation to keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that is one hell of a story, Daryl.
unidentified		And when we actually got closer to I-17, the sun had been up for approximately two, two and a half hours, and we finally ran across a rancher at about 8.30.
		And during the time that we were walking, I told Kevin that if we stop, there's no way that we're going to make it.
		And when Kevin went to his doctor, because he had to get some antibiotics, his doctor told him the same thing: that if he would have stopped, he would have kind of like forget about it, would not have made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so I think, as I said, that boils down to the fact that you were massively exposed to some sort of electromagnetic radiation that I know that Richard, with the displays on his website, as well as Turd Peak, now sees centered at many locations across the U.S. near military bases.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		There's one over you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it figures.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You are under a dome of some kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course I am.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And there is a physical demonstration of something coming into ground zero during the latter part of one of the tests in November.
		We'll have that up on the website tomorrow.
		I thought you'd be thrilled to know you're protected by whatever this is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we sure it means I'm protected?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't exactly know what.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		We don't yet know what we're dealing with.
		Kevin, whatever it was at Turret Mountain.
		Tell them what happened when the ranchers took you back to Jumpstart the Humvee.
unidentified		Yeah, no, at Turret Mountain, whatever it was, was definitely intermittent because what happened then with us that morning, we basically got the ranchers, went back to the ranch to let everybody know what was going on, and then we headed back to jump the Hummer.
unidentified		Well, when we got back to the Hummer to jump the car, normally when anytime in the past where I've needed any form of a jump, it's normally taken a while for the batteries to charge up unless the vehicle that was jumping the Hummer was also a Hummer with two batteries or at least another vehicle that had two batteries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Well, we basically got the jumper cables on, and they were literally on the car for a whole literally five seconds.
unidentified		And I went in, jumped in, turned the car, and it cranked with no problem whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brother, you almost might have tried to crank again before you even jumped the cables.
unidentified		I had thought about that afterwards.
		Because the car should not have been able to start that easily.
		The fact that it was able to start that easy meant there was more power already in the batteries than we would have expected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So you damn near died for your adventure.
		And I, you know, from what you describe with the thumping, with the heartbeat, with the weather conditions totally opposite of what they should have been.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		There's something under Turret Peak that does not belong there in a tunnel system, either ancient or new, that's electromagnetic in nature, that's intermittent, that affects weather, and affects weather enough so that other radar can see the effect on the weather 50, 60, 100 miles away.
		And there's a dozen of these or more scattered around the United States, most of them over known military installations, and their purpose tonight is totally unknown.
		But I strongly suspect it is a SEAL system, a hyperdimensional scalar technology.
		That's what we're going to find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or in test, or who knows?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		In test or close to operational with a code name, we believe now, of Samson.
		And before the end of the week, as we go through this week, we'll have more data.
		And as soon as we know more, you will know more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, Daryl, you better take care of yourself, my friend.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You know, my hat's really off to Daryl because Daryl and Kevin almost paid for their lives with vital ground truth.
		If we didn't have their first-person testimony, we would be looking at radar and signatures, remote sensing, and it would be up in the air.
		Now we know from people who, I mean, Peter Gerson and I really, and Francis Barwood, debriefed Daryl for what, about an hour the other afternoon, Friday afternoon, Daryl?
unidentified		Yeah, about an hour, a little bit over.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Which is why Daryl is on the air tonight, because I am absolutely convinced that Daryl is, A, telling us the truth, and B, came very close to not being here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I don't know how we go after this, Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, sitting here thinking about it, I don't have the slightest idea.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's where you need to talk to Peter.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, he's coming up next because Peter and I have gone through this now for two months almost, and we have some very important ideas for what we need to do next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that makes sense to me.
		In that case, the lineup is just right, Daryl.
		Thank you so much.
		And again, be safe, my friend.
unidentified		I will.
unidentified		Thank you also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And Richard, thank you as well.
		And we'll talk to you soon, Richard.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		All right.
		There it is.
		The Turret Mountain Adventure, if that's what you want to call it.
		And surely, as you listened to him, can there be any question with the Humvee's electrical system doing what it did, the thumping, the strange feeling, the changed weather, that something was definitely going on at Turret Peak?
		You heard him.
		He sounded articulate and honest to me.
		That was Daryl Smith, and of course, Richard C. Hoakland.
		Coming up is Peter Gerson.
		For those of you who don't know him, prepare to meet him.
unidentified		For those of you who don't know him, prepare to meet him.
unidentified		With Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and we just heard a remarkable story in the last hour of a man who went to Turret Mountain on December 7th and experienced obviously some kind of large electromagnetic pulse that affected the temperature, the weather, his vehicle, and damn near killed him and his partner.
		Combine that with the maps that Richard C. Hoagland has on his site, which, by the way, you can view.
		These are absolutely mind-blowers.
		Get up to Enterprisemission.com through my website, www.artbell.com.
		Jump over to EnterpriseMission.com and take a look for yourself.
		Somebody explained this last week the radar pictures we were seeing or paints as ground clutter.
		And since that time, many, many radar people have talked to me and said, oh, no, not a chance.
		Ground for a while, but not out that far.
		These are large electromagnetic pulses which are being illuminated by precipitation in the form of snow, I guess, or even rain.
		And they are just quite remarkable.
		Now, coming up in a moment is Peter Gersten.
		He is an attorney who does an awful lot of pro bono work for ufologists around the country and maintains a mailing list, the cause mailing list, which I know many of you receive on the strange, the unusual, and it is issued on a daily basis.
		That's Peter Gerston, and he'll be up in a moment.
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		Okay.
		Tomorrow night, one of our nation's greatest theoretical physicists is going to be my guest.
		He is a faculty member at New York City University.
		He is Dr. Michio Kaku.
		So you have that to look forward to.
		That's tomorrow evening.
		Tomorrow, between 1 and 4, we are going to do a special taping of Dreamland with William Buhlman.
		And it's going to be on OBEs.
		That'll be between 1 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
		And you can hear that, by the way, on Broadcast.com live as we record it for broadcast next Sunday.
		And there is a specific reason we're doing this tomorrow.
		So tomorrow is a relative term, I guess, with so many time zones.
		Tuesday.
		We will do this Tuesday between 1 and 4 in the afternoon.
		Or in my way of thinking, about 14 hours from now.
		So there you have it.
		Now, to Peter Gerston.
		And Peter, I think, is 520 area code.
		Where are you, Peter?
unidentified		I am in Sedona, and welcome back to Sedona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great to be back.
unidentified		It's been a long time since you've been here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a true statement.
unidentified		January 5th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to be back.
unidentified		And it was because of you that I resurrected cause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because of me?
unidentified		Yeah, because of you.
unidentified		Because of being on your show and the response I got from being on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I should tell the audience I don't hide anything from anybody.
		When we spoke just before the program tonight, you said, are there any ground rules?
		I said, uh-huh.
		Nope.
		No ground rules.
unidentified		Except I can't talk about two things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you can if you want to.
unidentified		Oh, I can.
		Okay.
		As long as I can ask you questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, you can.
unidentified		Okay, let me ask you one question.
		Now, you stated something before the break.
		You said, those of you who don't know him, prepare to meet him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Who is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would not know you?
unidentified		No, who are you talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking to the audience when I say that.
unidentified		Yeah, about who?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About you.
unidentified		Oh, about me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		In other words, it's been a long time since you've been on the program.
		I have many, many more affiliates.
		So those who don't know you are now actually meeting you.
unidentified		I like that phrase.
unidentified		I'm going to put it on a sweatshirt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those of you who have never heard Peter Gerston would be substantial in number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Peter, tell them a little bit about yourself.
unidentified		A little bit about myself.
		I'm a double Pisces.
		My son and moon are in Pisces.
		I have Sag Rising.
		Both my parents are dead.
		I have two children.
		One is 12, and one is 27.
		He's doing his second year of residency in Indianapolis.
		I got involved in UFOs professionally in 1977 when I represented Ground Saucer Watch in a lawsuit against the Central Intelligence Agency for UFO documents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, you're rushing ahead a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the audience did not know you are a trial attorney of some sort.
unidentified		A trial attorney, that's true.
unidentified		You want me to start in the beginning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we don't need to go through the pain of law school, but I mean, you are an attorney and have been for how many years?
unidentified		Well, I was admitted to the bar in the state of New York in 1971.
		I worked for the district attorney, the prosecutor's office.
		For about four and a half years, I was a deputy bureau chief of the criminal bureau.
		And after leaving the district attorney's office, I was the executive director of a victim witness project that was funded by the LEA, a legal assistance, law enforcement, something.
		It's not in existence anymore.
		And it was about a million-dollar budget to help witnesses and victims of crimes.
		A couple of years later, I went into private practice, and for the last, I would guess, since 1976, I was a criminal defense trial attorney specializing in murder cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My, my.
		Well, that's quite a background.
		What takes you from that very solid legal background to aiding in cases of ufologists and so forth?
unidentified		Well, when I was a kid, I was interested in two subjects, and that was mysteries and UFOs.
		I wasn't even interested in science fiction for some reason.
		And I guess because UFOs, at least at that time, probably to a certain extent to this time, is the greatest mystery of all time.
		So I had a fascination.
		I guess it was part of my program, the reason that I'm here.
		And there came a time when I could professionally use my talents to get involved in UFOs.
		And I did that.
		And without getting into the details, because that was 1977, and there's a lot of things going on now.
		And I live in the present moment, and the past is the past.
		But in any event, I represented the central, I represented the well, that's going to be great.
		David Oates doesn't have to reverse that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know where that is.
unidentified		Oh, you got me now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you actually do that?
unidentified		Represent the CIA?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I represented the Ground Saucer Watch in an action against the CIA.
		And then, because the Ground Saucer Watch didn't want to continue in the appellate process, and to go after the National Security Agency, when the CIA searched its files, it found documents from every other agency of this government.
		You named the agency, and that agency had information about UFOs in 1977.
		It was amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And NSA.
unidentified		And NSA was one of the agencies that had a document.
		So the CIA sent the NSA documents back to the NSA for release.
		And Brown Saucer Watch didn't want to pursue that litigation.
		So basically, I, Todd Zeckel, and Brad Sparks put together another organization called Citizens Against UFO Secrecy Cause.
		It was perfect.
		The acronym is perfect.
		And we brought an action against the National Security Agency for the 135 documents they said they had.
		And to make a long story short, the bottom line was that the district court ruled that because of the sensitive nature of the materials and the obvious effect on national security, the continued need for secrecy outweighed the public's right to know and withheld all 135 documents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good Lord.
unidentified		I went to the Court of Appeals in Washington, the three judges in the Court of Appeals, the three men in black, decided that the lower court's decision was the proper decision.
		I then, on behalf of Courts, took an appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
		I would assume that's the only time in the history of this country that any appeal concerning UFOs has been taken to the United States Supreme Court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		The United States Supreme Court decided that it wasn't even worthy of review.
unidentified		They decided not to even hear the arguments, thereby forever prohibiting the public from obtaining the 135 documents unless they wanted to release them on their own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that we are clear, does this involve, are we talking about the Area 51 lawsuit?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, this has nothing to do with the Area 51 lawsuit.
unidentified		It's a workman's comp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it ended up about the same way, though, didn't it?
unidentified		Well, in that, yeah, I guess so.
		In both cases, the court relied on the national security exemption.
		In my case, under the Freedom of Information Act, and I guess under the other case, under the Workman's Compensation Act.
		Basically, the government, the federal government, has sovereign immunity.
		You can't sue them unless they allow you to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in the case of the Ariane 51 employees, they claimed they were damaged by materials that they were exposed to or poisons they were exposed to.
		It was never clear.
		They sued.
		It went all the way to the Supreme Court.
		And again, they decided the good of the many outweighs apparently the good or even the health of the few, and they wouldn't consider it, correct?
unidentified		That's basically, that's pretty good assessment, a non-legal assessment of the decision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, though, you know, this is America where we have a Constitution, and each citizen has certain absolute rights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm sort of curious in the Area 51 decision, how they were able to, in effect, tell these men, yeah, you might be sick, but national security says, too bad, we're not going to give you any information.
unidentified		Well, I think it's just typical.
		I don't know if we have any absolute rights in anything other than theory, but I have a feeling that based on what Richard's talking about, there's a possibility under a lot of scenarios that some of our constitutional rights will be suspended.
		And I think we're headed in that direction.
		So as far as absolute rights, I represented Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum back in the 80s, who came in contact with a strange aerial device and suffered radiation poisoning.
		And when we brought a lawsuit, I brought a lawsuit pro bono, as you were mentioning in the beginning of the show, which a lot of my critics have forgot about now, because all of a sudden, now that I'm talking about other things, they forget about anything that's occurred in the past.
		But in any event, we brought a lawsuit against the U.S. government.
		That was the defendant in the lawsuit, not a particular agency.
		We brought a lawsuit against the entire U.S. government.
		And in that particular case, we couldn't prove that it was the U.S. government that had possession and control over the object.
		And it's interesting because in their motion for summary judgment to dismiss the lawsuit saying, listen, Gersten can't prove it's ours, they relied on a theory that, hey, it might be a true UFO.
		It might be extraterrestrial.
		And we're not responsible for damage caused or injury caused by that type of device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the case they made?
unidentified		Well, that's the inference they made.
		They didn't come out and say it, but they inferred that, well, maybe this is a true UFO, and thus we are not responsible.
		It would be Catch-22.
		Even if we could prove it was theirs, they would invoke there's a discretionary, I forgot, power associated with sovereign immunity.
		They're allowed to test certain devices, certain experimental devices, without the responsibility of any injury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, reflecting on last hour's testimony, eyewitness testimony about what happened at Turt Peak, one could begin to talk about not only a single person's rights, but many, many, many people's rights not to be experimented upon without their knowledge.
		Yes?
		No?
unidentified		Well, of course, but we've seen this throughout our entire history as a species, as recently as the Second World War, even more recently with the quote-unquote alien abduction phenomena.
		We see cruelty.
		We see experimentation.
		It's been going on, as far as I know, I was born in 42, and it was going on, I guess, around that time and probably sooner than before that.
		So that's a common factor in whatever this program is that we are part of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you now after all These years and all of these court battles, are you certain, Peter, that we're going after something real at the present time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You're talking about what Richard's talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it was more of a general, I guess, question concerning UFOs or government craft or being experimented on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, are we chasing something real?
unidentified		Well, I've stated, I don't know, the last couple years that I think we're looking in the wrong direction now.
		I think we looked at UFOs for the last 50 years.
		It's time to look elsewhere.
		It's time to look at the intelligence behind the craft.
		It's time to look at the possible identity and origin of the intelligence.
		It's like an alien species coming down here and studying our automobiles.
		And besides the fact that it's time to shift our focus, and studying the craft involves studying technology.
		And this planet is very selfish when it comes to technology.
		It classifies military technology.
		It has trade secrets.
		It has patents for corporate technology.
		Technology is something that you're not going to be told about.
		So going after that, I think it's a waste of time.
		And we've tried to do that over the last 50 years.
		I think it's time to look at the intelligence.
		Basically, and that's what CORE stands for, is that this planet is in contact with another form of intelligence.
		This other intelligence is interacting with us as a species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that's really what I was asking.
		In other words, the threshold of your belief that we are in contact was passed a long time ago.
		You know what?
		The threshold of your belief that we are in contact was passed a long time ago.
unidentified		For some reason, I don't understand what you mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Can you phrase that question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try another word.
		In other words, you believed firmly now, a long time ago, that we are, in fact, being visited, that this whole thing is, in fact, real and substantial.
		You passed that belief point a long time ago.
unidentified		I passed that point.
		I think that something was going on that, you see, we're talking at two levels.
		I don't necessarily believe that UFOs are the best evidence of this contact.
		I can prove in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt that we were in contact.
		UFOs are basically the third best evidence.
		But when I used to read those books, I felt that there was something else going on other than what we were told was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, let me slow you up again.
		You've made a very provocative statement.
		You said, I can prove in a court of law.
unidentified		Yeah, I believe so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we're in contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you do that?
unidentified		Well, basically, that's what we did in a mock trial that we videoed in Payson, Arizona.
unidentified		It's funny because Payson, Arizona is the 30 miles east of Territory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to say that.
unidentified		And Payson, Arizona is at one point I was thinking of being the city attorney.
		Imagine if I was the city attorney.
		That's attorney Payson now, Richard.
		He has the city attorney of Payson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		All right.
		In this mock trial, which I haven't seen, how did you lay out the chain of evidence that brought it to experts?
unidentified		Basically, the evidence consists of different things.
		And I'm talking about legal evidence.
		I'm not talking of scientific evidence.
		And the problem I find with scientific evidence is that it's scientific as of the date.
		You ask it.
		After that, who knows?
		It changes constantly depending on the new information.
		Legal evidence is different.
		It's codified.
		It's in the law books.
		And basically, it takes certain forms.
		It takes eyewitnesses, right?
		Like you would if there was a murder case, a robbery case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		There's eyewitnesses to certain experiences, personal contact experience, not just seeing UFOs, but interacting with whatever this is, whether it's an abduction, whether it's a contact experience, whether it's a visitation at night, whether it's an angel.
unidentified		You know, it takes different forms depending on the frame of mind or the mindset we are in at any given time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So eyewitnesses could convict a murder suspect.
		Eyewitnesses could also prove in a court of law that we are in contact.
		What cases would you use, out of curiosity, Peter, to present if you had your pick, which you do, really?
unidentified		Well, part of the evidence is also expert testimony.
		And to my trial, we brought in two experts.
		We brought in Cullen Andrews because I personally believe that crop circles are the best evidence of this contact.
		I'm not talking about the ones that a man-made or hoax.
		I'm talking about the ones from way back and the ones that are substantive and the ones that justify explanation.
		Sure.
		So that's the best evidence.
		We brought in Cullen Andrews, and he gave some examples of what he believed was the best evidence, and he gave an overview.
		We brought in Bruce McAbee to testify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked.
unidentified		And he testified to the best evidence that he felt would make the case.
		And we didn't have any eyewitnesses because we were limited to time.
		And we did the best we can on a limited budget.
		And Ted Lohman, one of my closest friends, was the director and editor, and he's legally blind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had had your choice of abductees to come to a witness stand in that sort of trial, who would you have picked?
unidentified		Well, if I have to bring in people, and I classify it personal contact experience, if I had to bring in people, I probably would bring in a person maybe that had an abduction experience, a person that had a contact experience that was uplifting, a person that probably had another type of a channeled experience.
		There are different experiences by different people.
		The typical abductee, I don't know, that comes to mind, maybe Betty Adreason, because she's to the Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Travis Walton, perhaps.
unidentified		Travis Walton was the judge at my trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Oh, was he?
		Chilly.
		All right.
		Stay right there.
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unidentified		Lead me this way.
		I can't go by.
		She'll save a lot without you.
		I can't hear you, I can't hear you.
		I can't hear you, I can't hear you.
		I can't hear you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what it is.
		Peter Gerston is here.
		He is an attorney, does a lot of pro bono work for the UFO community, goes after a lot of government agencies, and that's quite an undertaking because generally the government doesn't let you sue them unless they give you permission to do that.
		And when there's a lot of national security involved, question mark, they never, ever give permission.
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		All right, back now to Peter Gerston.
		Peter, welcome back.
unidentified		I am here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When we began the program, we said...
		Well, that's not what I'm saying.
		You said no ground rules, so if you have a question I was about to say, go ahead and ask.
unidentified		What is the kingdom of Nye?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Kingdom of Nye, the Kingdom of Nye.
		The Kingdom of Nye is Nye County.
		That's N-Y-E, Nye County, Nevada.
		That's what the Kingdom of Nye is.
		And the way they run this county out here, if you've ever been here, is more like a kingdom than it is a county.
		That's what the Kingdom of Nye is.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was an awful softball, Peter.
unidentified		That was what they call them on Jeopardy Torce-Ups or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
unidentified		Well, we're just getting into the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		All right.
		Maybe they'll get tougher as we go.
		You better hope not.
		No, I don't mind.
		You just cool you want.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take your best shots.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
		What a challenge.
		Yeah.
		My best shot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your best shots.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'll have to think about that over the next break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's fine.
		You heard the whole saga of Current Mountain.
		You know what Richard is looking into.
		You know what Richard thinks is happening.
		Are you inclined to agree?
unidentified		Well, yeah, you have to step back and you have to say, Richard Hoagland.
		Now, who is Richard Hoagland?
		I think when you started the show, you had this commercial where you said, you know how you felt before arthritis entered your life.
		So my thing is, you know how you felt before Richard Hoagland entered your life.
		I don't know because it was like simultaneously with my activation on November 11th.
		So, you know, there's a connection there.
		But as far as Richard Hoagland is concerned, in all seriousness, I've spent, I guess, a couple of months talking to Richard.
		And I first met him when I went up to San Francisco in, I think, 1995, January of 95.
		I went up and wanted to talk to him about the moon.
		And we spoke a little bit.
		And then I lost contact with him since this latest episode with EQ Pegasi, and we reestablished contact.
		I'll tell you one thing, Ott.
		You know, he has many critics.
		He's a messenger that is, so to speak, tainted, but all messengers are tainted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people hate Richard's guts.
		Let's not keep it around here.
		But let me tell you what I think.
		And I'll bet it's exactly the same for you.
		I listen to Richard, and sometimes he comes on the air with something, and I go, Richard, you are out of your gourd.
		You really have finally slipped over the edge.
		But I have learned that as time goes on, a lot of what Richard says proves out to be true.
		I mean, it has substance to it.
		So I listen and try now to be non-judgmental.
		And that's taken a period of years because Richard can sometimes get way out there and yet there always turns up something to it.
		I mean, even the craziest of the crazy, this old Navy store thing he went through, I don't know if you remember that or not.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there turned out to be something to that.
		It's a long story.
		So that's the way I feel about Richard.
		He's a serious researcher who's way out on the edge, and as you pointed out, has his critics.
		But that's what makes him very interesting.
unidentified		It's more than just interesting.
		He is, what I found him to be is extremely honorable.
		He has loads of integrity.
		He's very professional in his work.
		He's sincere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he's brilliant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's also very, very hardworking.
unidentified		So why not listen to him?
		Even if he's going to be wrong, I'd rather listen to him and at least be aware of what he's saying because it's coming a time.
		And I think he's been, especially if you speak to him, he's been right many, many, many more times than he's been wrong.
		And it's the same old story.
		I don't think it applies to Richard because I think he's right on in this particular case, at least as far as all Richard does is point you in a direction and he tells you to go look.
		And why not look?
		It's the best show in town.
		He backs it up with evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and here's what I found.
		When scientists take him up on his offer, and they have many times, and even laymen who actually take the trouble to go and look at what Richard is talking about and really investigate what he's talking about, 99% of them come back and say, hey, I think there's Something to it.
		His critics are the ones that will take a quick look at a photograph and go, Richard's crazy as a loon and case closed.
		They do no homework at all.
unidentified		Richard takes people out of their belief systems, out of their security zones.
		Once they come out there, they are fearful.
		And when you are in fear, you attack.
		That's one scenario.
		Another scenario is there is disinformation out there.
		I'll tell you an interesting story because in the last two months, I've never been attacked so much from the same people that supported me and cause earlier because I no longer fit their image of what both cause and I guess I should stand for.
		And we know what happened with Richard last week, what you faxed me and that whole incident, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, today I got an email from an individual who signs his name and underneath his name on an email, he puts NASA subcontractor.
		So I assume he speaks and is a representative of NASA.
		Not only that, on the distribution list of his emails as a NASA administrator, and he emailed me today threatening, and I think he might even have said he already had done that, downloaded the cause website and was going to submit what I had written on there and posted on there to the Bar Association of Arizona to have me declared incompetent to practice law based on what's on my website.
		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is NASA talking.
unidentified		This is two evidence where he signs his name as a NASA subcontractor.
unidentified		And also on the distribution list of the emails that he sent this to me is the administrator of NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Golden.
unidentified		He didn't put the name.
		The email address just says NASA administrator, something like that.
		And you got a copy, sent you a copy.
		Seth Jeff rents a copy, sent other people a copy.
		So this is NASA attacking me that's going to download my website and send it to the Bar Association.
		So tell me that there's nothing going on.
		There is something going on now.
		It's being accelerated.
		You wrote about it in the quickening.
		At least the name describes what's happening.
		Something is happening now, Art.
		Well, the very first person I see that's telling us what it is is Richard Hoagland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, whiz, Peter, if the Bar Association decides to proceed, it'll be at least as good as the Scopes trial.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to call you as a character witness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm serious about that, though.
unidentified		Well, that's what I want to do.
unidentified		I want to do the Scopes trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, essentially, in order to have you disbarred, there would have to be a hearing in which they would be required to prove that what you have written are the writings of, what, a madman?
unidentified		A delusional attorney from New York.
unidentified		A criminal defense attorney from New York who was going crazy when he went out into the desert heat on November 11th after talking to Richard Hoagland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
unidentified		That would make a great sitcom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would make actually a great trial because they would be required to prove something they're never going to be able to prove.
unidentified		Yeah, it's interesting, Art, because part of my, I guess, programming involves the trial.
		I wrote about in The Ultimate Secret, some of the things I wrote about in The Ultimate Secret a day after I took the bar exam in Arizona, basically starting to come true.
		And in that story, there is a trial.
		Now, I don't know if I'm going to be representing Richard in the trial myself, but there is some type of trial that's in this story.
		So I can see myself back in the courtroom arguing, I don't know what yet, but I would guess it has something to do with sovereignty and our right of self-determination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty basic, all right?
unidentified		Yeah, right.
unidentified		Any, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sovereignty and our right of determination.
unidentified		I think that's the scenario that we are being basically set up for.
		Every sentient life, this is my story.
		This is what I've been told.
		It has only to do with me.
		I believe that every sentient life form, and we are a sentient life form, comes to a place where whether they're entitled, whether they have a right to sovereignty and self-determination is tested.
		And I think that is coming to the local theater in our neighborhood now.
		I think we're going to be tested to see if we can maintain our right of sovereignty or will we give it up to something or someone else again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close do you think we are to that crunch point?
unidentified		Well, I've been told, and I felt since I was a kid, that there were messages that we were getting to help us along our path.
		The messages would come in different forms.
		And the messages have been that we are being set up for the Armageddon scenario in whatever form.
		And that will be our test.
		We have chosen to come down and play in the backdrop of Armageddon, basically, whether we have the right to sovereignty, whether we will give it up to a savior, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will be then, I take it, you think, a manufactured crisis.
unidentified		It doesn't have to be manufactured.
		It could be natural.
		It could be a war.
		It could be Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, natural, well, Y2K would be certainly one category.
		But I mean, generally, a natural crisis could not be timed for somebody who wanted to remove our rights.
		That would have to be manufactured.
		Y2K is a maybe.
unidentified		Well, you have to remember that since we're in a three-dimensional reality, and I believe it's an advanced, a futuristic technology, it's not that difficult to create quote-unquote natural events.
		So I wouldn't dismiss the fact that we can't create a natural event.
		The third-dimensional reality is similar to what we see on the movie screen.
		It's just more advanced special effects down here.
		This is a three-dimensional movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me say this.
		Here's one thing I think is going on.
		I think that our weather is being tampered with.
		Now, I can't take it beyond that.
		I don't know who's doing it.
		I don't know if it's a series of military bases or it's a foreign entity of some sort.
		I have no idea.
		But I think I see our weather being tampered with.
unidentified		I have an idea, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't know if Richard's still listening, but...
		Okay, but Taking a page from the impeachment hearings, the guest from Sedona will yield some of his time to the guest from Sidonia.
		So, if you want to give Richard a call and get him back on the air, I have no objection to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you were on the air, what.
unidentified		You want to talk about what's going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but I mean, what was the line of questioning beyond what we think we know, the radar images, the story we got from Daryl up in the mountain, the possibility that all of this is going on as some sort of protective thing for the planet, or maybe not, maybe something else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, where would we go beyond where we have gone?
unidentified		Well, I guess, you know, Richard could supply some more technical data.
		He could give his opinion.
		He could draw inferences from the evidence.
		He has spoken to me about, you know, some of the things that he believes is going to be going on as early as, what's today's date, the 14th, this week.
		So I don't know.
		It's your show.
		It's up to you.
		I just offered, made that suggestion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can do that.
		There are.
		Although I was looking forward to touching on a whole lot of topics.
unidentified		Well, we can only give them 15 minutes and then we can kick them off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me touch on one right now.
		Sure.
		Big news all around the UFO community.
		The new so-called MJ-12 or majestic documents brought forward by Dr. Bob Wood, who I interviewed.
		And I've got a full copy of the documents here.
		I presume you have seen them or been able to peruse them.
unidentified		No, I don't know.
		Unfortunately, or fortunately, because of the EQPEG, because of Richard's work, that's where my path has gone down.
		I'd sooner stay in 1998 than go back to the 1940s.
		So my priority is basically in the present.
		But, you know, people have asked me my opinion.
		I haven't looked at the documents, and I will not give my opinion until I do.
		But basically, I hate to say this again, but to a certain point, it's almost irrelevant now whether they're true, whether they're false.
		Some are a hoax, some are true.
		There's a plan.
		There's a pattern that's unfolding, and this is just part of it.
		It started back in 1947.
		It's a programming, and it's continued.
		And it's continued at a scale where it brings us closer to first contact.
		And you can trace it.
		You can look back and see how it's been developed.
		And basically, that's what happened to me on November 11th.
		I was able to see the pattern rather than, because up until that time, I would dismiss everything as a hoax.
		Whether it was the hailbob and the companion, whether it was the MJ-12 original document, whether it was the autopsy, whether it was the interview, I said, give me a break.
		And I even dropped out for about 10 years saying, this field is just full of nonsense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		As a matter of fact, you mentioned the alien autopsy.
		Are you aware that Fox, which originally presented that as fact or fiction and trying to sell it commercially as fact, now is going to do a show shortly exposing all hoaxes and including their own presentation of the alien autopsy as a hoax.
unidentified		So much for integrity, I guess.
		It's almost like impeaching your own witness on trial.
		Put the witness on the stand.
		You cross-examine him and prove that he lied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's ridiculous.
unidentified		It's nonsense.
		It's all part of a pattern to program us to believe in certain things, you know.
		And it's like telling somebody, a witness says something in court during the trial that was improper.
		So the judge instructs the jury to strike, first instructs the stenographer to strike it from the record, then tells, which he can do, no problem, then tells the jury to strike it from their memory.
		So basically, the jury's never going to forget what.
		Matter of fact, it almost highlights, you know, by the instruction highlights the irregularity.
		So when they get into the jury room, that's the first thing they talk about.
		Same thing with these hoaxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so attorneys like you know very well to go ahead and say things or have things said, the judge will instruct the jury to forget, and you know they won't.
unidentified		And so does the intelligence community.
		So the fact that they create a hoax in the beginning, whatever time period that people believe it's real, and then they prove that it's not, 10 years later, how many people are going to remember that it was a hoax?
		It's the mindset.
		It's the programming.
		And it's been continual from, at least as far as I know, 1947 to the present.
		And there's a quickening.
		Look at all the hoaxes now, alleged hoaxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		You know, that's going on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's take EQPEG as the most recent example because you said you had done some work on that.
		I watched your mailing list very carefully during the EQPEG business.
		And at this point, what do you make of it?
unidentified		Well, I think it was a wake-up call.
		I think it was to get somebody's attention.
		It got Richard's attention.
		I think it was to get people's attention.
		I think somebody saw something and wanted to bring it to the public's attention in a way that they wouldn't be discovered, possibly.
		And that's what it was.
		And I think on one level, on the three-dimensional level, it was a message.
		And luckily, Richard saw the message because he connected it.
		If it wasn't for Richard, E.Q. Pegaside Signal would have died, a quick death.
		Richard, on your show, connected it to an event that he was told was going to happen sometime in December in north of Phoenix.
		So he connected it and kept it alive.
		So as far as the signal, what do I think?
		I think it's interesting that NASA and September picked up the same signal, even though it was earlier, which happened to be the same name or signal, at least, the hoaxer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was SETI that picked it up.
unidentified		In other words, so this hoaxer, unless he didn't develop the plan until after the September date, you know, coincidentally picked up the same signal?
		because this had to be planned, I would think, in advance.
		So let's assume that he had What did he get the idea after the EQ Pegasi signal was picked up by SETI and he decided, okay, I'm going to use this.
		Now, how am I going to use this to tell people that there's something they should look at in the weather?
		It's very complicated.
		It's very complex.
		And on my level, it was a signal to me.
		It was a metaphor a metaphorically symbol to wake up.
		That's the way I look at it on a personal level.
		Because I had a personal experience on November 11th where basically I woke up and it had to do with the EQ pegasi signal.
		It was the first time that I was attracted to something that was a hoax.
		I put on my cause update, when I read Paul Dorr Statement about the NSA agent along with two other British agents visiting him, I put out that that's ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the alleged Paul Dorr statement, now Paul Dorr, of course, says he didn't make that.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to use the same name as the person.
		Whether Paul Dorr is the same person or not is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
		Paul Dorr says he's not the same person.
		Well, until it's proven otherwise, then I will assume that what he says is true, that he's not that person.
		I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that he is that person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there, Peter.
		We'll be right back this.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		They said it could not happen in San Francisco.
		No massive blackout, no power outage that could take down all of San Francisco.
		Except, it happened.
		It's happening more and more lately.
		Whatever you want to believe about it, our weather is certainly changing, manipulated.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've come to kind of lean toward that explanation, but whatever it is, weather's bad.
		Y2K?
		That could take down the power grid.
		Electromagnetic storms, that could take down the power grid.
		By the way, I really want to thank Myron McLeod and company, he came with others, who installed today during most of the day, ISD online here, and networked my computers.
		It was quite a computer day, let me tell you.
		So thank you very much, Myron.
		And now back to Peter Gersten.
		And Peter, I have done as you requested.
		And with us once again is Richard C. Ogland.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Just like Deja Vu all over again, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that, yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Peter.
unidentified		Welcome, Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Peter, you wanted Richard back.
		Why?
unidentified		Well, first of all, before I ask Richard any questions, Richard, would you raise your right hand and repeat after me, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God?
		I do.
		Okay, so now we can proceed.
		I think that Richard has the grasp of something that is going on.
		Each of us, I think each one of your listeners, and before I go any further, I just want to thank the members of COWS that are listening, that have supported me in the last two months during this transformation.
		But people are feeling something.
		People are being restless.
		They're anxious.
		They feel that something is going on.
		And there's something going on internally, and there's something going on externally, because the external is the projection of the internal.
		And I think that Richard, of all the people that I've heard and listened to and read about and spoken to, I think Richard has the best perception and grasp of what is going on.
		In other words, there's a theme going on.
		And I think Richard is able to see the mechanics of this theme.
		And I think that it's accelerating.
		And I think we should listen to Richard because we have nothing to lose if Richard is wrong and everything to gain if Richard is right.
		And Richard is telling us that he is seeing something, something that is going on on this stage that we call planet Earth.
		And I think we should be aware of it.
		And Richard, you know, basically I can qualify you as an expert, you know, and then talk about all your credentials and then ask the court to declare you as an expert witness in certain areas.
		And I don't have any doubt about that.
		As a matter of fact, Richard, if his schedule permitted, would have been a witness in the video in Payson in the mock trial.
		So Richard is an expert as far as I'm concerned in whatever is going on.
		And I just ask you, Richard, to give your opinion as to what you see happening.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I started my journey, my path, this is a very interesting term, about 15 years ago looking at these NASA images and assembling a group of experts in a wide variety of fields.
		I have prided myself since even before my Cronkite days with being a generalist, with knowing something about a lot of different scientific disciplines, but more than that, knowing that you have to, to solve complex 20th century problems, be they technical or sociological, you have to cross disciplinary boundaries and integrate the whole.
		You have to look at the whole picture.
		And if there's anything that we're doing that I would hold up to other people to emulate, it would be don't stop at the water's edge.
		A lot of investigators that I have met in my journey over the last 15 years are very good in a very narrow area, but they get freaked out if their level of expertise is exceeded or if their quotient for going where the data would lead them exceeds their psychological ability to follow that data.
		I have been told, if I had a dime for every time I've been told it in the last several years, we don't want to go there, I would be a very rich person.
		And I have resolved to myself, and I've resolved to your audience, that I will go wherever the data leads, no matter how crazy and far out and off the edge of the paper it appears initially.
		If you don't automatically tell yourself, I'm not going to stop until it doesn't correlate or until we come up against a dead end wall or a blind canyon, you're not doing yourself a service and you're certainly not doing your constituency a service.
		And I view this as a service to our constituency, which is a constituency in search of truth.
		So with that as a kind of an overview, what I've tried to do consciously, more so in the last several months maybe than any other time in this long process that I've been involved in, is to deliberately remove boundaries.
		And so when you asked me about the Paul Door story, and I began looking at the idea of a SETI signal and the standard paradigm of, you know, of ET calling us from some star system, the other dots were right in the back of my mind.
		A la, the intelligence source, his trying to get me to pay attention to, quote, a landing.
		And because of my generalist background, I just, I think I'm predisposed to be able to integrate a seemingly disparate data, maybe a little faster than other people who could do the same thing, but they've set up their own filters so they don't do it.
		They tell themselves, oh, it can't relate.
		It doesn't relate.
		I don't want it to relate.
		And so it doesn't relate.
		So with this broad overview, we were able to go from nothing to a prediction of a specific set of remarkable events on an arid top in the middle of Arizona.
		And lo and behold, some incredibly off-scale stuff has happened, which is now corroborated by disparities.
		We have scientific evidence, the radar.
		We have electromagnetic pulse evidence.
		We have eyewitness testimony both before, during, and after these events.
		Peter, in any court of law, what would that get us?
unidentified		Well, at least a preponderance of the evidence.
		I think we would get past our case and into the other side.
		I could make a case.
		I could argue to the jury that something happened.
		I believe we can...
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's the O.J. Simpson standard.
unidentified		No, that's the, well, in the criminal case, it was beyond a reasonable doubt.
		In the civil case, where he lost, it was a preponderance of the evidence.
		Right.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		So if we're going by a civil standard, we now unquestionably have more than 51% that something weird went down under that mountain on the 6th and the 7th, right?
unidentified		It would be easier for me if we knew what the source of those signals were, but yeah, I still can make a case.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's where we go next, because what I'm in the process of assembling is a volunteer team of radio and electronics and computer people.
		We're going to try in the next few days to finish wiring Arizona so that we can pick up on the work of Charlie Plyler, the ELF specialist, the extreme low frequency electromagnetic radiation guy who's picked up the signals with his antenna systems over in North Carolina.
		And by distributing certain people and equipment around the state of Arizona, we're going to try to triangulate and pinpoint as this thing is pulsing under Turret Mountain, we're going to try to characterize what it is.
		Time sequences, frequency, energy distribution, and then try to correlate that with the radar from Sky Harbor in terms of its effects in a shield or a dome or a toroid centered around Turret Peak.
unidentified		All right, let me ask you, does this sound like a person that believes that there's nothing there, that it's a hoax?
		Doesn't he sound like a person that is telling us to do something?
		Doesn't he sound sincere and he believes what he's talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never doubted that.
unidentified		Well, then, you know, it's almost like Richard hasn't even gotten into it yet, but it's almost like, remember CNN during the Persian Gulf War, they were on almost 24 hours?
		Sure.
		You should be on 10 hours a day with this story until we find out exactly what's going on.
		I think this is a very important story.
		There is evidence to suggest that something very significant is happening and possibly about to increase.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, Peter, we have even more evidence because one of the things that my friend Stan Tennon has said over the years, and Art has interviewed Stan, head of the Meru Foundation, a couple, three times.
		Stan told me years ago that what kept him going for his 25 years of research through Meru was the difference between fake stuff and real stuff is that when you turn the crank on fake stuff, eventually the crank stops turning.
		It's like a Bajin.
		It runs down.
		When you turn the crank on real stuff, new information pops out.
		And the new information on the Turret Peak Pegasus EQ Paul Dore mystery was that we wound up looking at these radar plots, not just from Sky Harbor for Arizona, but for the whole damn country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I believe that you said that you thought that Paul Dore was giving a coded message, that you decoded a message from Paul Dore that led you down this path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that accurate?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		The initial statement on the web under the name Paul Dore, let's remove the personality for a minute from the code name, looked very clearly to me like a message.
		And I spent two or three weeks, two weeks, I think, working very hard to try to correlate back and forth to see if there was a consistent message.
		And there was, and we put it on the web, and it's there for everyone to look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is what led you to what you believe is this weather modification, these EMT pulses.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Richard, why do you think, I'll ask you a question.
		Why do you think Paul Dore, who first wanted to confront you, then did not, and now does again, why do you think he wants to come on the air with you now?
		Why do you think he's a pair of people?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		How do we know it's Paul Dore?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One at a time.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		How do we know it's Paul Dore?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me put it this way.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's a very important question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm trying to answer it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I have to go by is his email address, which has remained constant since the inception of all this.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But you're dealing with a puzzle, Paulus, okay?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You know, I find it laughable that people think they can trace who's doing what by these IP codes and the other stuff, because you're dealing with the masters of magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You're dealing with the masters of electronic deception who have built a satellite system called Project 415, which is really now part of something bigger called Project Echelon, which can literally tap every damn phone and computer and voicemail on the planet and spit out a summary for the president if they so desire, which of course they don't with this president.
		And so we're expected to believe that the Paul Doerr who I'm going to debate is actually any relation to the real Paul Dorr.
		Let me tell you what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure it's exactly a debate.
		In other words, I'm not even sure what to really expect when the two of you get together.
		I'm not sure.
		I mean, what is there to debate?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know other than I think the real Paul Dore is a hero.
		I think the real Paul Dore someday deserves to have statues built all over the planet if we take his information and we act on it and we maybe avert some horrendous, awful things that some people have planned for us tonight.
		Because it was a heads-up.
		It was a wake-up call.
		It was a, oh my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's the negative side.
		But you haven't really decided exactly what's occurring.
		If you have, you haven't told me.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		We're in the process of trying to figure it out.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I just have a sense that I'm not going to like what's at the end of this tunnel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you have characterized these EMP pulses several times as possibly a protective system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no.
		The pulses are a side effect.
		The weather is a side effect.
		The primary technology we're dealing with is a series apparently of shields, you know, Scotty Ray shields over military installations scattered around the continent of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would we need shields?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Against something that would be shooting at us.
		And the only thing I can think of on the radar, pun intended, that would be shooting at us is aliens showing up a la the other part of the signal, which is that we're going to get ourselves into a fake interstellar interplanetary war.
		And the fake part's important because it goes along with this Armageddon scenario that I have come up with based on this data with my colleagues, that Peter has come up with based on separate data with his colleagues, and that Stephen Greer came up with separately from his discussions with people up to and including members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you want to repeat now, or I want you to repeat, that Stephen Greer looked at your data, the data we're discussing now, and said what?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He said, I've got to get this to certain people in Washington, and I gave him the URLs, and I gave him my phone numbers, and I told him where I was going to be over the next week, and the discussions are ongoing now.
		He was going to have technical experts look at it, radar people, airline captains, military experts.
		The honest part of the system, remember, I've always said on your show in dealing starting with NASA and then as we expanded, that most of the system is honest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		big picture then is that you think that there is going to be a staged fake extraterrestrial threat and from that...
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying there will be.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's all in the potential.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from that, Peter Gerson was talking earlier, weren't you, Peter, about something that would come along that would remove most of our rights and freedoms.
unidentified		You're talking about martial law?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Martial law would be a form of that, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what we also see on the radar.
		Beside these bizarre rings, which appear to be the signatures of the shields, one of which is over you tonight, we see during the height of these meteor storms that we've been having great exposure in the media regarding, the Leonids and the Taurids, and tonight the Geminids, we see those being used as a cover for something bombarding these shields.
		There is video, there is moving GIF animations that we're going to be putting up on the next couple days showing the shield over you to be targeted by something that left a blazing plasma trail in the atmosphere before it detonates harmlessly against the shield sitting over southern Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		It figures.
		It figures it has to be me.
		Oh, it's always southern Nevada.
		It's always Las Vegas.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's always a very important thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can we say?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		The point is that if they're testing it, they're going to use it at some point.
		Now, you don't need a shield like this against meteors because, for one thing, meteors don't know where to land.
		They're random.
		And this does not cover the population.
		You know, cities are not covered, boys and girls.
		Only the military are covered by the pattern we have discerned so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Richard, let me take you back to STS-80.
		You've been promising us since the CALS came home STS-80 video.
		Now, on that video, you and I both saw, we sat in my living room, and we watched the camera from a shuttle flight zoom in on a city, and we saw something fired from that city.
unidentified		Yep.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Now it was on Q, because the camera operator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was definitely on Q. I agree with that.
		It was on Q. It was obvious.
		They were looking for that, and it was incredible what happened.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And that began a whole series of other events that took place over 19.5 over the Amazon at dawn with Orion on the horizon.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It's all part of the larger pattern of this NASA mystery that we've been attempting to figure out with these alignments and these rituals and all the other weird stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so my question to you is, do you think that incident was connected with what we're talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought so, yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Now, the Green Fireball, Peter Davenport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		There have been an incredible escalation in UFO reports and meteor, quote, meteor reports going back to December 9th of last year and something bizarre that fell in Greenland, which had no signature that matched any meteorite ever fallen to Earth before.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there was another one, by the way, over El Paso that was equally mysterious.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And one over Georgia, which is on our website, an artist's conception, an excellent artist's conception.
		There is a pattern.
		And again, I go back to what I do, which is not to give myself artificial limits.
		I look at the big picture.
		I try to set up a process which will extract the signal from the noise and see if it converges toward a conclusion.
		And this is converging at work nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'm still with you, of course, Richard.
		Thank you, my friend, for coming back on.
		And we'll turn back to Peter when we come back.
		Take care, Richard.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast, A.M. Take this place on this trip just for me.
		Take a face, take my place.
		It's gone free.
		I've worked like a slave for years.
		Sweat so hard just to end my fears.
		Not to end my life before that.
		But by now, I know I should have won.
		Oh, no.
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		This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Great to be here.
		Peter Gerson will be right back.
		I think it's Russell, if I'm reading this correctly, from KENI, Anchorage, Alaska, writes, We are born naked, wet, and hungry.
		Then things get worse.
		He goes on, Art Bell, do you sometimes feel like we're living in occupied territory?
		That's an interesting question, isn't it?
		Provocative?
		You sometimes feel like we're living in occupied territory.
		All right, I'm a little better than caught up now, so we've got some time.
		Peter, your synchronistic friend, Gary Valtenuta in Seattle, do you know him?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would love to hear, he writes, the details of your November 11th activation.
		Also, he says, you quickly brushed by the notion of our 3D reality being a manufactured technology.
		So could you roll by those?
unidentified		And I thought he was my friend.
		And, you know, we can talk about that in a couple of minutes.
		It's my turn to ask a question.
		Okay.
		And you asked me to take my best shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		And I was thinking.
unidentified		And before you went off the air, or actually at the time you went off your air, if you asked me to take my best shot, I probably could have then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did on your mailing list.
unidentified		Well, that wasn't my best shot.
		I was kind in a way.
		The only thing that I found unusual was the way you went off the air, with the statement you did, rather than just saying you had a personal problem.
		I'll be back in a couple of weeks.
		Don't worry about it.
		I love you all.
		You went out in a spectacular way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, I'm going and won't come back.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		And that was a little unusual, and you created a lot of reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me about it.
		But that was not my intent.
		Had I intended to create a lot of reaction, Peter, I would not have waited until just before 3 a.m.
		That was the day, by the way, I got back from South Africa the first night back on the air.
		And I would not have waited until 3 a.m. to do it.
		I would have done it earlier in the show when the affiliates were all on.
		You know, in the last hour, a lot of them are not on back east.
		Of course, it's a lot later.
		So I tried to make it low-key.
		It exploded in my face.
		At the time I said it, I had every reason to believe that I was not going to be able to come back, that what had happened would require my full-time attention.
		And so what is your question?
unidentified		Basically, I just wanted to acknowledge you because I got a lot of reaction from my readers that missed you, that informed me that separate and aside from who was on your show, you allowed them to be on your show, and you were able to get the message out.
		And slowly but surely, I realized that the role of Art Bell in this drama is pretty significant.
		And I want to thank you for that.
		I want to thank you for giving Richard a forum.
		I want to thank you for inviting me on the show.
		And I think you perform the part of Art Bell excellently.
		So my question is, what do you think of Art Bell?
		Do you think that you are doing a service, even though it is entertainment?
		Do you think that you're fulfilling your purpose here on the planet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		I really do.
		I got to swear you.
unidentified		Should I swear you first?
		I swear.
		Richard, raise your right hand, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's up.
		Okay, go ahead.
		Yes, I absolutely believe I am performing a service, but it's intermittent, and I want my audience to know that.
		In other words, sometimes, Peter, what I do is entertainment.
		Sometimes what I do is really serious stuff.
		I have on the best scientific minds in the country on one night, and the next I might have somebody who says they're a vampire.
		So this forum is no single thing, and I think it disturbs my listeners because I mix everything up together.
		I couldn't do the same thing.
		It's like so many talk show hosts now are spending their entire hours on the air every day in endless discussions of Monica Lewinsky.
		I couldn't do the same thing every day.
		And I think I told the New York Times, or I forget who it was, if I, oh, NBC, I told him, look, if I had to do the same thing every day, I'd slip my throat.
		So this forum is no single thing.
		And occasionally, does it serve a very serious purpose?
		Oh, yes.
		Yes.
unidentified		Well, on behalf of my members who support you and myself, I applaud you for giving us that opportunity to say what we want to say.
		And I don't know what your personal beliefs are on what any particular guest is, but at least personally, I feel that you have an open mind that you listen to them.
		I do.
		Yeah, so listen, you don't take the power from the people.
		You give it back to them by allowing them to discern what it is that they want or don't want to believe.
		It's up to the person.
		You don't tell them what to believe.
		You just give them the information.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times I get faxes and email that tell me I'm full of crap.
		How can you possibly believe that?
		Well, I don't necessarily believe it.
		I allow a forum, and I allow the person to tell the story and let the audience be the judge.
		It's kind of like a courtroom, in a way.
		I make inquiries, help the person tell their story, and then the judgment comes, you know, in the form of email and letters and what have you.
		So I just, I'm open.
		That's all.
unidentified		The information, personally, one of the rules is that we have to be informed in order to make an intelligent choice, and you get the information out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I believe that.
unidentified		Now, to get back to Gary and his question, his question was two parts.
unidentified		One about what happened to me on November 11th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the second part had to do with 3D manufactured technology.
unidentified		Yeah, well, the second one is the easier one to answer.
		So let's talk about that.
		Basically, what I see, what I see evidence of, can you hear me all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Okay, because I'm having trouble hearing you on this telephone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah, it's the cordless phone went dead, the battery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And I'm on this phone, and it's not working.
unidentified		But as long as you can hear me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you, fine.
unidentified		Okay.
		What I see is the movies, the special effects, the Nintendo computer games, the, you go into now they have virtual reality games.
		That's evidence.
		That's evidence that's indicative of our level of technology.
		When I look around, I see this universe, the solar system, this planet.
		It seems to be indicative of another futuristic level of technology.
		So I think a three-dimensional reality is nothing more than a movie that's going on, and we're actors and actresses, and we play different roles, as do actors and actresses on the screen, but we just don't know we're in a movie, and we go through this particular scenario, the reason we came down here, to experience everything.
		The height of emotions, all kinds of emotions.
		And basically, that's what I think a three-dimensional reality is.
		I think it's basically a hologram.
		And we see messages of that.
		Matter of fact, I just went to the latest Star Trek movie.
		And there are messages.
		And there were plenty of messages about a hologram.
		There were messages about something coming back that had been here before.
		I don't want to give it away to the listeners who haven't seen the movie.
		But that's what I think a three-dimensional reality is.
		I don't think it's anything more than a futuristic technology that was created by something.
		Whatever created it is still interacting with it.
		We've heard legends, myths.
		We read it in stories in the Bible about something created this reality.
		And personally, I think it's still interacting with it.
		And the question is now whether we have reached the level of being able to have the right to sovereignty and self-determination.
		As far as my activation on November 11th, nothing unusual happens to me.
		It's strange.
		I've never really seen a UFO.
		I've never had any kind of personal contact experience or paranormal experience.
		But a month before, in November 11th of this year, I started seeing 11-11.
		And I would see it on an exercise bike.
		I would see it on a clock.
		I would see it in different places, just the numbers, and sometimes 1-11.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're not the only one.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		And I wasn't aware that there was this type of phenomenon.
		But it brought to my attention that something unusual is happening, because nothing unusual is happening.
		And for me to think something unusual is happening is unusual.
		So I would see that constantly, at least once, twice, three times a day.
		And then it comes to November 11th, and I drive from Sedona to Phoenix to see my daughter.
		And I was at a heightened state of awareness to the effect that I thought I was possibly going to die on this day, and I was getting a message ahead of time.
		But I didn't die in the physical sense.
		I think I died in more metaphysical sense.
		Because on that day, and I'd always believed as I was growing up that you receive information at the proper time, whether our DNA is encoded with some kind of time release capsule or we're programmed or the subconscious releases.
		I always believed that there was going to come a time that I was going to receive certain information.
		And at that particular time, I believe I received, this is my story, information and the ability to see things more clearly, to see a pattern.
		Whereas I used to see Individual hoaxes, I now saw a pattern that was leading to a programming, a programming to get us to believe in a certain thing, to set us up for something that we've been told about for X number of years.
		And that was about to happen.
		The reason, I always believed I was here for a reason.
		And I always believed I was here for this particular period of time for a reason.
		And my story is I believed that there were other people also here that came to this particular 3D movie for a specific reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you described what I think my reason was for being here or is for being here and my little part in this three-dimensional act.
		Let me turn the tables on you.
		After your November 11th enlightening, I'll call it, where do you picture yourself in this little three-dimensional dance?
unidentified		Well, I would think before I came here, I would want to program the greatest scenario possible to experience the most extreme emotions.
		I would think I would be part and parcel of the Armageddon scenario.
		If that's what I was programming, I want to be right up to the top.
		So I don't know the specific part, but I think it has something to do with that.
		On a different level, I think the reason that I came to Arizona after a vision quest was to bring people together that had been together either here on this planet or in prior lives somewhere else maybe.
		And nothing has dissuaded me in believing that from the time I've been here.
		I've been bringing people together, whether it was when I first got here through Timeless Journeys or presently through CORES.
		It's accelerating my bringing people together.
		There are over 4,000 people that read on my list what I write every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		And there are more that I've been told that they give their emails to three or four other people, and it's a mixture of different things, including a non-UFO subject on Sunday.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It gets forwarded around the planet.
		By the way, if somebody wants to get, that's a good question before we move on.
		If somebody wants to get on the cause list, how do they do it?
unidentified		Well, they have to do is go to the website.
		The website is www.caus, that's citizens against UFOsecrecy.org, and scroll down a little bit, and come to cause updates, and it's free.
		There's no charge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's excellent.
		And look, everybody, we've got a link on my site right now.
		Just scroll down, go to my site.
		I don't normally do.
		And scroll down to Peter Gerson's name and click on the link, and you'll be on the cause site.
		And then, I guess, you leave your name, your email address, that kind of thing, and they will get the daily updates.
unidentified		Daily update.
		They can unsubscribe at any time they want.
		They can delete.
		They can do anything with it.
		There's no charge.
		And they're even free to criticize me.
		And let me just suggest to the people that are listening that they should go to your site.
		This is my suggestion.
		They can do what they want, but I would suggest they go to your site at least once a day to see what's going on.
		Richards site at enterprise.com, which you have a link to every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Because my site doesn't keep up to date.
		My updates are in my cause update, so that's where they can read what I'm talking about.
		But Richard's and your site are updated once a day, and they should look there more than once a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but I want them to go ahead.
		I mean, I read your cause updates every single day.
		And they always tackle what's currently going on.
		So, folks, it's free.
		If you have a computer, just go to the site and subscribe to this news, I guess this electronic newsletter.
		And I think you'd be very pleased.
		It'll keep you up daily on what's going on.
		Come to your email box, just like that.
		What's it like having to write that every day?
		It's like having a deadline every day, Peter.
unidentified		It's funny because I don't think I've missed any since I appeared on your show.
		I don't remember exactly when I started the cause updates, but they came apart when it just became every day.
		Luckily, I have a laptop, and I take it wherever I go, so I can just do the updates from wherever I am.
		And I haven't missed one.
		I don't remember how long since February at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's excellent.
		It is a long time.
		Yeah, I've seen them every single day.
		And then on Sunday, when there's nothing to report, it's non-UFO.
unidentified		Yeah, it's not.
		It's funny because I had to do two non-UFO updates on Sunday because I had promised my daughter I would ask my readers to vote for her.
		She was nominated for Teenage Woman of the Year, even though she's only 12.
		Because she publishes an online magazine called Girls World Design, and she has over 2,000 subscribers, and she's only 12.
		So I asked everybody to vote for her, since she was nominated.
		And this is an interesting story because the manager, the executive of the company that has the website, emailed me this morning that she was very upset because in the box, when you vote for my daughter, you have to write comments why.
		Some of my members had written, I'm voting for her so I won't be abducted by E.Ts.
		I'm voting for her so that ETs won't move into my neighborhood and cause the real estate values to decrease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most politicians don't much care how they get their votes.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may relate here.
		Listen, here's something typical.
		Here's somebody angry.
		Subject, more BS on your show.
		All crop circles are man-made and hoaxes.
		You are the biggest sucker I've ever heard.
		Unsigned, of course.
		But that's typical.
unidentified		Well, I think that's particularly funny because that only means that the person has no idea what crop circles are all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know that some certainly are hoaxes.
		It has been demonstrated that it can be done.
		Now, the hoaxes, of course, don't make it past Dr. Levengood and his testing, which shows molecular level changes in the real crop circles.
		And that's something I'm sure the author of this didn't consider.
		All right, when we come back shortly, we're going to get the lines open and let the public ask you questions.
		How would that be?
		All right, good.
		All right, Peter Gerston, UFO attorney.
		I don't know if that's a fair label or not.
		Trial attorney is my guest.
		We'll be right back.
		Sitchin-like.
unidentified		Well, that's what I feel.
		That's what I hear.
		This is my story.
		And something is returning.
		The theme of the Star Trek movie basically had something to do with that.
		Something has come together and is returning to reclaim something that it had a right to a long time ago.
		And that's why I'm looking for a biblical scholar who can interpret the prophecy.
		I think we should look to Genesis.
		We should look to Revelation.
		The beginning.
		This is the time of the end of something.
		And the new beginning is coming.
		And we've been told.
		We've received messages.
		They can't withhold the information for us.
		We have free will on this planet.
		And in order to exercise free will, we have to have information.
		So the information comes out.
		It comes out to us through tainted messages, hoaxes.
		It comes out to us through the Inquirer, through Grade B sci-fi flicks, through TV, through prophecy movies.
		And it comes out at 3 a.m. on CNN.
		And it comes out through the subconscious.
		And that's what David Oates is involved with.
		He's doing great work in showing us the information that comes through the subconscious.
		But not only does it come through in reverse, it comes through when a person speaks.
		And that's why I'm under the belief that if you can keep your enemies talking, you will find a lot of information in what they say.
		I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional, but the information comes out through the subconscious.
		And if you can, it's an example of some of the information that comes out through some of the emails I get.
		It's almost like you can see in those emails information for you, for the person who's reading them.
		And that's one of the things that happened on November 11th.
		I now can see what I think are messages, and I can think I can interpret those messages.
		So this is my story.
		Something's coming back, whether it's good or bad.
		I don't know.
		It was given to me this information the day after the bar exam, and I wrote about it in the Ultimate Secret.
		It's a free internet, and I serialized it.
		Anybody can get it for free just by going to your website and accessing, clicking on the link to The Ultimate Secret.
		They can read all 52 chapters free.
		So basically, I talked about a secret society that I called the Cosmic Circle that controlled all this technology that we see.
		These advanced, sophisticated objects that are in the skies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, a follow-up question to the first and an obvious one from Tom in Boise, Idaho.
		Please ask Peter when he thinks this whole thing will break publicly and what form it will take.
		Your best guess, in other words.
unidentified		You know, my best guess is before the end of the year, I would think that we would see a major event.
		There's certain things that have to...
		And I was told that the ceremony, certain acts in the ceremony have to be performed before the end of the year.
		So we might see something around the winter solstice, I would think.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on here with Peter Gerston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Good morning, Peter.
		Can you hear me?
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Calling from Ohio, Kenny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listening on WSPD?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Just a quick comment, and then a couple since we're going over scenarios tonight, I don't know, Peter, did you know that this past November 11th was Veterans Day here in our country and in Remembrance Day in Canada and Australia?
		Seems appropriate.
		Yeah.
		And speaking about, you know, and I started thinking about our military and what Richard had said earlier about the possibility of, you know, a reason for martial law or something and, you know, Y2K coming up.
		And I'm thinking what our military, you know, they have to know this was coming for a long time.
		One on a national, a couple scenarios and then comments from you both, if you will.
		One on a national basis.
		If this was connected with some reason or some fabrication of some kind that might have a reason, an excuse to impose martial law, I mean, I would hate to be in a big city, say, when Y2K hits the government in October, right?
		Be in a big city a week after the welfare checks stop coming in.
		That's the first scenario.
		And then on a worldwide scenario, I'm starting to think here, what our military is thinking as far as our technology, our smart bombs, our embedded chips, our military.
		It's almost basically down to like we did in the Gulf War, everything from the air, everything computerized.
		And when this happens, and they're thinking, wow, we're going to be kind of helpless there here in the future on a worldwide scale as far as 2 billion soldiers in China with the old-style tanks and armaments that they can use.
		I mean, they would be free to march right through Europe, and we couldn't do a darn thing about it.
		Do you think that either on a worldwide basis, like I've just described, or on a national basis, this origin would give us, for instance, maybe on a worldwide basis, to fabricate maybe some strike from another country and give us an excuse to make a first strike?
		Because if that would happen, where, like I said, if somebody just decided to march over Europe with the older style weapons, we wouldn't be able to do anything.
		Would they be thinking, hey, let's go ahead and fabricate something here.
		That way we can go ahead and strike.
		And then when this is all over and everything's passed, we'll still be the dominant power of the world?
		Okay, your turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My turn?
		You know, that is just one more scenario.
		I don't give it more or less weight.
		If you want my honest opinion, Peter, it is only this.
		I know inside of me, every part of my fiber knows something big is coming.
		I've been saying this for some time.
		But I don't know what it is.
		I'm not a prophet.
		And so I don't know.
		I see events escalating and speeding up, but I wouldn't give any more weight to what he just said than anything else.
unidentified		Well, anything else, there's information out there.
		Isn't there common stories and legends to each of the religions?
		Isn't there a common theme that we've been told about and read about?
		Yes.
		And basically, haven't we been told that the period that that would happen is now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's great debate about that.
		You know, the religious community would say we are in the final days.
		The signs are all there.
unidentified		Native Americans?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Astrologically?
		I interview those.
		I interview prophets.
		I interview just about every discipline you can imagine.
		I interview Catholic priests.
		I interview anybody I can lay my hands on.
		And it's a consistent thread throughout all the interviews that something is coming.
unidentified		And we can get an idea of what it is by reading, by looking to biblical scholars, to looking to mythology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even you are unwilling to state definitively what you believe is coming.
unidentified		What I believe is coming.
		I think martial law is coming.
		I think something is coming back that has been here before.
		And I think that the powers that are in control of this planet know that it's coming back and are preparing to be the ambassadors of this planet when it comes back.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I take it back.
		Then you are, in fact, stating fairly definitively what you think it's going to be.
		I don't know that I believe that's it.
unidentified		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's another scenario.
		I just know something is happening.
		That's fine.
		Wildcard line, you're on here with Peter Gerston.
		Good morning.
		Yes.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		This is Greg from El Cajon, California on Cogo AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
		Mr. Gerston, I've enjoyed the dialogue this evening, and I have a quick question for you.
		Back in mid-November, Art had a gentleman on who claims he had an encounter with an alien.
		He supposedly killed it, took it home, deposited it in his freezer, and some days later it reanimated.
		The story went on to where his home was broken into, and allegedly this alien being was taken from his home along with a lot of destruction to his home.
		What's your take on this?
		And if you can say so, do you have any contact with this person?
		No, I don't have any contact with this person.
		In all fairness, I'm not that up on all the facts and circumstances of the incident.
		I didn't hear the shows, and I didn't read any of the information that's posted on a website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The group that had contact with this man was a San Diego ufology group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all I know, Color.
unidentified		Well, basically, Gary Val Tenuta posted on my website that he believed the alien was similar to the alien in Travis Walton Fire in the Sky to the scream.
		And then I got another email for a director at MUFON who indicated that at no time did this person either contact any of the MUFON people.
		And Peter Davenport never remembered being contacted by him.
		And I would think that somebody contacted Peter Davenport myself and said, listen, I just shot an alien or something along those lines.
		It would maybe not get our immediate attention, but we would definitely remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smashed it in the head, actually.
unidentified		Yeah, so we would remember something like that.
		But the point, that's not the point.
		You're losing.
		You see, you've got to look at the big picture.
		The big picture is the timing of this.
		This coincided with what Richard was getting involved with.
		So it was almost a diversion, because this was hanging around for two years, he said, as were the MJ-12 documents.
		So all of a sudden, you've got things hanging around for two years, and they come to the public's attention around the same time, and there's sort of a diversion from maybe what Richard's talking about.
		Plus, for the first time, we saw a story, okay, information, whether it's a hoax or not, about an individual coming in contact with an ET, killing the E.T., and taking possession of it.
		At no time before that did we ever have that information.
		The closest we actually came was ETs in military custody, either dead or alive at the alien interview.
		But now, for the first time, we are being told, which is part of the program, that now ETs are interacting on a day-to-day level and not just coming at night.
		So it's just part of the programming, whether it's true or not, to bring us closer to whatever this big event that's about to happen.
		Right.
		Okay, well, thank you very much, Peter.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call, and take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerston and Art Bell.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		It's Kathy from Woodridge, New Jersey.
		Hello, Peter.
		There was a show 10 days ago, and if any of you missed it, you must get it and see this show.
		It was to boldly know, and it was basically a very high-information show done around the new Star Trek movie, Insurrection.
		I have never in a matter of 10 years seen or heard so much information.
		They either leave you at a dull end where you don't hear anything about technology, or they give it to you all in one night.
		I heard things about solar propulsion, rapid protocol typing, where you turn your dreams into reality in a matter of hours, laser tracing.
		I heard things on, let's put it this way, interferometry, where someone puts mirrors up in space.
		Does that ring a bell art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the Russians have already launched their first mirrors, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		And those things could actually tell you, they could watch your hair grow.
		That's how perfect these things are.
		Another thing are holograms, holograms that would blow your mind.
		I remember several months ago, Zahi Awass told UART that Russia would show us a hologram that would blow our socks off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct, yes.
unidentified		And I'm still waiting for that.
		All this technology came out in a matter of an hour.
		Like I said, you have to see the show.
		And then you tell me who's giving us this technology.
		How many of those UFOs, yes, they may be ours, but how many of them aren't ours?
		And if the ones that are ours, how do we get that technology?
		Do you think it was given to us?
		And that's it.
		That's my question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Peter?
		I think there's a technology that's on this planet that we are unaware of.
		I think there's a terrestrial technology that started probably in the 30s and the 40s and continued.
		And because of the war and this Cold War, at least 1947 went underground.
		And all these agencies were organized to protect this information.
		And basically, it's technology.
		And I think that we don't give ourselves enough credit for developing some of the things that we see in the sky.
		Now, you have to remember, there's black budgets, and there's possibly some secret organization, maybe our own corporations, maybe Lockheed Martin, that are involved in testing this technology without restriction, without limitation, and with resources.
		So I don't think we've been told about the technology that exists on this planet.
		I think we see it, but we're not being told about it.
		It's classified.
		And I think it's at least, I would say, this 50 years since 1947 when it went underground, I would say there's at least it's progressed.
		It must be at least 100 years more sophisticated than what we're seeing because technology is filtered into this society piecemeal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the caller was trying to ask, do you believe that we have made a deal at a government level?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you think that we have recovered a craft 1947 or others from which we have back-engineered technology?
unidentified		Personally, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe that?
unidentified		No, I'm open to the possibility.
		I haven't seen really any evidence of anything.
		It's hard to identify what it is that we're seeing in the sky.
		Basically, COS is going to be filing a lawsuit involving these black triangular objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know about those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know about those.
unidentified		So, you know, everybody that sees them says that it can't be ours.
		I'm not that convinced that it can't be ours.
		Nor am I. So we should know what those objects are.
		What are the purpose of these objects?
		Why are they flying over populated areas?
		Why do they have the ability to hover and beam lights down?
		Are they looking for something?
		And if they're not ours, then we should know about it.
		What's the secret?
		Tell us.
		What are these things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I saw, Peter, was so alien, and I use that word advisedly.
		I don't necessarily mean little green man alien, alien to any technology that I would be aware of that we're anywhere close to, that it would have to be one of two things, either one of theirs, or if it's ours, it's such a big story either way, because it means that we have anti-gravitic technology.
		Hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		But either way, what I saw, what my wife saw, and you can see that on my website, by the way, it is an accurate, precisely accurate representation of what we saw.
		Thank you, Mark McCandlish, for doing the drawing over a period of months as we supplied him with information.
		Want to see what we saw?
unidentified		We'll take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting email.
		Hey, Art, did you hear about the blonde inventor?
		She invented a battery-powered machine that cranks your Beijing freeplay radio for you.
		No, I don't want more blonde jokes.
		This is Coast to Ghost AM.
unidentified		In Humboldt County, and my wife and I were, we had a patio on the top of a large mountain.
		And we thought a plane was coming at us.
		It was just turning dark.
		It was right at the dusk.
		And as it came toward us, we noticed that it had a large amount of lights on it.
		So we ran out on the patio and looked at it.
		And it went right over us.
		And it had a grid of lights.
		There were 40 lights in width and about 60 lights in length, which, of course, makes over 2,400 lights on this object.
		It was a large, long, elliptical craft.
		As it went over, it appeared to be hollow in the underbelly as it went right over us.
		Next day we were talking to different people about it.
		No one saw it but us, except in the paper the next day from Arcata, which is about 20 miles inland, I mean toward the ocean from where we were, there were about 25 reported callings of seeing these lights 20 miles west into the mountains.
		And in the paper, it said that it was checked out because of all these reports of these lights.
		And the aviation said there were no aircraft in that area that night.
		And we still don't know what it was.
		I thought it was a military, some type of military experiment.
		We later thought it might have been a blimp trying to fly from one place to another, and they wanted to have a lot of lights on it, so nothing would run into it.
		But we never did know what it was.
		And I'm wondering, has anybody else ever seen a craft that had what appeared to be like Christmas tree lights, red, yellows, and blues, and on almost a square grid that outlined its entire form?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Peter, do you get such reports commonly?
		Is that something you hear about?
unidentified		Well, unusual objects in the sky, large hovering objects without sound.
		Those reports come in.
		There are different configurations of light on the craft, and I personally feel that they can change the light formation to appear to be different types of geometric objects.
		We've had reports of triangular objects and hexagonal objects and octagonal objects.
		The point is, though, there is something flying in our skies on a continuous basis.
		It has since the 80s.
		No one has taken responsibility for control or ownership of this object, and we're not being told what they are.
		I think we have a right to know what these objects are, and that's why CORS is going into court.
		It's going to bring a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act against the Department of Defense, who has not met the time limits and not responded to my appeal in a request for this information.
		So we're going to go into court, and we're going to go into court after the 21st of this month and file that lawsuit asking the Department of Defense to produce documents on what these objects are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough, and good luck.
		Wildgard Line, you're on the air with Peter Gerston.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Bill from Ohio, Youngstown, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Bill.
unidentified		Before I address my question, you just brought up the 11-11 again.
		Maybe it'd be interesting if somebody would research each book in the Bible, 11th chapter, 11th verse.
		Maybe there's a clue.
		My question is this.
		I don't know if you can answer it.
		When Richard was on earlier talking about that we may be in for an attack, do you, Art or Attorney Gerson or Richard, have any theory that if such an attack takes place, if it is going to take place because of the nefarious deeds of the black projects and the black priesthoods, as Richard would refer to that, and then as a consequence, the rest of us, we'll call us the innocent, would suffer.
		Would this attack maybe not take place if all these black projects had not been circulating for the past several decades?
		I don't even know if you can answer that.
		It's just bugging me.
		Well, as far as I'm concerned, we decided to come down into this three-dimensional movie.
		It's a script.
		We're just playing roles and following the script.
		It's free choice within certain limitations.
		But we planned this because we wanted to experience what's about to come and to experience it internally and then externally on the planet.
		So we're going to find out whether it's an attack, whether it's something else.
		I think it's going to happen now.
		A terrorist attack, us attacking Iraq.
		I don't believe ETs are going to attack us if that's the scenario.
		That's not what I see.
		There's going to be something that's going to create a lot of chaos here, one way or the other, I think.
		Well, I'm talking about if it's extraterrestrial.
		People like yourself and Richard and myself certainly do not endorse these black projects.
		That's why I say we're the innocents in this.
		The movie is perfect as it is.
		There's supposed to be black projects in this movie.
		There's supposed to be the military.
		There's supposed to be the government.
		Everything is perfect in this reality for us to experience what we're about to experience.
		We're setting the stage.
		Yes, I understand.
		So basically, everything you see are mere props for this final conflict, for sovereignty and self-determination.
		Just a little addendum, I've also had the 11-11 experience many times.
		It seems like I'm driving every time I look up, the license plate in front of me is 11-11.
		Well, now you've got to see what the message is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Yeah, really interesting.
		Really, really interesting.
		And I know how this sounds to some people.
		It sounds like some sort of mass, what's the right word for it?
unidentified		Hallucination?
		Delusion?
		Dysteria?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, any one of those and more.
		Subliminal suggestion, something or another.
		And now more and more people are, because we are talking about it, we are causing the reality of more and more people to see 11-11.
		It's either that or it's really happening.
unidentified		Well, it's happening.
		Well, it happened to me.
		That's all I can tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerson.
		Hi.
		Yes, sir.
		I hear you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
		This is Bill from Babylon.
		And I was listening to Hoagland speaking about those manipulation of seem-like weather patterns.
		Yes.
		Well, I was reading a physics book on waveforms, and there's a lot of things that waveforms have in common.
		And I got to a section on the spherical harmonic waveforms, and it mentions that whenever a sphere vibrates, there's certain nodal circles appear where the sphere stands still.
		And that would maybe explain why the snow circled, there was an area there where the snow wasn't falling, right?
		In other words, what I'm saying is that maybe Hoagland should look for these harmonics.
		These patterns that he witnessed in Arizona would be maybe in different sections of the globe.
		The reason why it manifested itself in Arizona was due to the wind being in the snow being in the air.
		So it would show up its energy pattern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		That's what other climatic conditions that would he would see this harmonic that is being set up across the globe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, any comments, Peter?
unidentified		Nope.
unidentified		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Neither.
		I appreciate it.
		So many scenarios, so little time.
		West of the Rockies, Sean Mir.
		Hi there, Peter.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question.
unidentified		This is Ronaldo in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And you sound like just the person to answer this for me.
		This has been on my mind for a long time.
		Now, bear with me.
		This is kind of complicated.
		But if, let's just say I was standing in the seventh dimension of the fourth cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call the wildcard line, area 702-727-1295.
unidentified		Proof of Damel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		The answer is a simple yes for you, sir.
		First time calling a line.
		You're on the air with Peter Gerston.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, gentlemen.
unidentified		This is Big Toe Art in Fort Worth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I sent you an email over the weekend.
		Did you get it?
		Did it help?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yes.
		Peter, you were mentioning a while ago some references in the Bible, and I think I've been thinking about this for several weeks, but it would be very easy for a superior intelligence, whether it's earthbound or extraterrestrial, to arrive and claim creatorship, if you want to use that word, and to say, well, I did it.
		I'm Back and worship me.
		And I don't know if you are familiar with Matthew 24, 24, but it does mention in there that the power of this deception, whatever it is, is going to be so strong that even the very elect could be deceived.
		And I think it fits right in with what you all are talking about tonight.
		And I'd like your comments.
		Well, I have two scenarios.
		That is one of them.
		Not to that extent.
		Basically, he comes down as benevolent, and I don't know whether it's a creator or not.
		It has technology that's much more advanced.
		And basically, that's why we're going to believe it must have come from somewhere else because we don't have that technology when all along we've had this technology and you're just now seeing it in daylight.
		So I don't know if that's the scenario.
		That's one.
		But I'm leaning now toward the scenario that I wrote about.
		Basically, that whatever assumes control of this planet will be terrestrial, but appearing to be having technology that can help us, basically, that they've had all along and so forth.
		And basically, to be the ambassadors of this planet, because we give up their power to them, when whatever comes back, it comes back, basically.
		Because I think that the way they found out something was coming is in the interpretation of the crop circles.
		But that's a whole nother story.
		I think the messages were in the crop circles as to what was happening.
		And whatever this group is, interpreted the crop circles and realized what's about to happen.
		But I don't know.
		Your scenario is just as good as mine, you know, as is anybody else's.
		Well, I think there's some, you know, as Artwood says, synergy in all of this.
		I think there are truths in all parts of it.
		And I think the bottom line is beware.
		Be aware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be aware.
		Yes, I agree with that.
		And again, I just know something wicked comes this way.
		And I don't know what it is, and I don't know when it's going to get here.
		And it's just a feeling in my bones.
		That's all.
		Wildcardline, you're on here with Peter Gerston and Arto.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		This is Debbie in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Debbie.
unidentified		Listen, I'm a psychic and I'm a sensitive also.
		And from November 11th on the 11th day, I've been trying to call you.
		Everyone been able to get through?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Tell you that when the gentleman called about the alien, it was on November 11th, and it's the 11th month of the 11th day.
		And this is the master number.
		This is why people are noticing it.
		And this was on Strange Universe also, because where I live is 1111, which is ironic.
		And my mother said, why was she getting this 1-1-1-1?
		And she wanted to come in to visit me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I sent her the tape.
		And it was on Strange Universe months ago.
		But there's more to it than that, that people are noticing it.
		There is something to it, because it is a master number of the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that.
		It's a number that people are suddenly noticing.
		That's all I can attest to.
unidentified		Right, but I'm trying to tell you what I found out about it so that you guys can get, you know, so the people out there that are wondering, they'll wonder what a master number is.
		It's the master number of the universe, and it's the number that...
		Okay, wait, wait.
		Oh, yeah, this is information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that?
unidentified		This was, I've learned this, geez, a couple of years ago.
unidentified		It was a master number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know this?
unidentified		Well, through, I don't know, through the grapevine of other psychic people and people that I've known for years, you know, it was a definite number that is going to, and it could be the 11th day of November, also, which is a 1111.
		And that's why people are noticing it, because something may be happening on November 11th, not maybe this one, possibly next year or the year 2000.
		You know what I mean?
		You know what I'm trying to say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I hear clearly what you're saying.
		I just don't share in email about this.
		So many people are having the same thing.
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the answer to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerston.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, Lohart.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Okay, I'm Fort LeMaine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
		Back about a couple of years ago, speaking about Harry's situations, I was walking a back road, and if you've ever walked a back road where there's no streetlights, and you can almost strain your eyes to try to see, I was pushed.
		I was alone by myself, and then suddenly this bluish-green, faster than I've ever seen one blink, strobe light from out of nowhere.
		I didn't see any craft attached to it or anything above me, and it just disappeared.
		And I ran.
		And I felt emotionally distraught.
		I was crying.
		I didn't know what to think about what I just went through.
		I mean, and then I finally come up on, you know, near the lights and whatnot.
		And every time I get in a vehicle and I go on one of those roads, I fear that the car is going to break down and I'm going to be in a panic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure what to tell you.
unidentified		It really happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I believe you.
		I just, I don't know what to tell you.
		Another experience, and there are more and more and more of these turning up every day.
		Peter?
unidentified		Well, I agree.
		People are having personal contact experiences.
		They were interacting with something that we're not being told even exists.
		We're not acknowledging anything other than this 9 to 5 weekday, weekend tribal reality.
		We go to work, come home, watch TV, go to sleep, get up in the morning, the same thing.
		There are other things interacting with us, and we should be looking at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		I agree with that completely.
		There is something going on, and that's one of the reasons I think we're here, And one of the reasons the audience is so big.
		Oh, by the way, don't forget, we now have three hours of broadcast before the live show starts at 7 p.m. Pacific time.
		Ask your radio station about it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Peter Gerston.
		Just one quick question for you, Peter.
		There were a lot of stories going around not long ago that Area 51 was no more, that Area 51, or what was there, had been moved into Utah.
		Do you have anything on that at all?
unidentified		Nope, I have no information at that.
		I really don't concern myself with Area 51.
		I still believe whatever is there or wherever is earthly technology, at least now it is.
		Technology is classified.
		I'm not going to waste my time.
		I did in the beginning of the lawsuits against the NSA and CIA.
		We went after technology.
		I'm not interested in technology.
		You're not going to get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your main focus now?
unidentified		Is, well, I guess it's ironic that I'm going to bring a lawsuit for these black triangles when I'm saying that I'm not after technology.
		But there's another reason that I'm going after the black triangles because they're still flying over the skies, and that's what I'm concerned about.
		What is in our skies now on a day-to-day basis?
		That's why I'm going after them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, but you are still pressing for information that may be contained within Area 51.
unidentified		Yeah, it's very possible, I guess, that there is a connection, but we will see.
		You see, the first two lawsuits, which is interesting, is that the government admitted they had documents.
		The CIA admitted that they had, you know, 1,000 documents.
		They released 900 pages, and they withheld 57 documents.
		The National Security Agency admitted they had 135 and refused to release any of them.
		And that was upheld by the court.
		In the lawsuit that CORS brought, I think it was this year, against the Department of Army for documents about what Colonel Corso was talking about in the day after Roswell.
		Yes.
		We went looking for those documents.
		And the government didn't say, in this particular case, the Army didn't say, well, we have the documents as they did in the first two cases, but we're not going to give them to you because of national security.
		They stated that they didn't have any documents.
		They couldn't find any documents.
		And aside from what the colonel was saying, they don't have any documents in 1998.
		And right now, we're waiting to go into court and argue whether the search by the Army was reasonable.
		And they gave me a date of May of 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that could easily be so because the late Congressman Stephen Schiff got a GAO investigation going, which eventuated in a statement that all of the records that he was searching for, or the GAO was, had been mysteriously destroyed.
unidentified		Yeah, I think there was a fire at one point also.
		But it's going to be interesting to see the Department of Defense's position.
		Are they going to find documents pursuant to these triangles?
		Are they then going to withhold them under national security grounds?
		or are they going to just say, we don't have any documents?
		And I'll tell you, if they come forward and say they don't have any information, any documents at all, any records concerning...
		Yeah, exactly, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The reason I say that, and I don't make a lot of definitive statements.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, one came right over my head.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I can say if they say they have nothing, they're lying through their teeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because either they know that these are coming from elsewhere or they know that we've got them.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the two.
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Peter Gerston.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, gentlemen.
		This is Kevin from Dallas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, you're going to have to yell at us now.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is Kevin from Dallas.
		Yeah, I'm kind of curious or intrigued.
		There's a statement that Peter's made several times, something's coming.
		There's a certain tentativeness about the way he's saying that, or it sounds like an intentional vagueness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's from me, Art Bell.
		I'm vague about it because I don't know.
		Peter has been quite a bit more specific.
unidentified		Well, the something's coming, though.
		He hasn't been very specific on what the something is.
		It strikes me, I know from personal experience, having had some just odd experiences myself, and a lot of times when you're particularly talking to a radio land full of strangers, if something of a supernatural sometimes or other type experiences, there's a tendency to not want to get too specific with what it is unless you know the people you're talking to.
		I'm just curious as to whether he could be a little bit more specific about what he sees coming or if he, in fact, even does know what it is that's coming.
		Well, I can tell you what I wrote about, what I felt was channeled during that period, what I still believe.
		I think that something is coming back that has been here a long time ago.
		And either it had to leave because of some disaster to the planet or it was expelled for whatever reason.
		Well, so the expelled thing is, is there anything?
		I mean, there's the concept, the old Hebrew concept of the abyss, which is a place of consignment for whoever the guys were that used to be here.
		And of course, there's the biblical concept that's referred to as the beast, for example, will ascend from the abyss, which is sort of a keeping place for entities gone bad or what have you.
		Is that along the lines of what you're talking about?
		Well, it's possible that there are a lot of messages, a lot of metaphors that we have to translate.
		The information is there for us to look at to draw some inferences as to what is coming back.
		Can you be a little bit more specific about your source?
		you're saying this information was kind of channel.
		I'm also not really clear on exactly what your source of your information was.
		For a week period back in 1996, when I finished, the day after I finished taking the bar, I was inundated with very intense thoughts to the point where my mind could not think of anything else for a period of one week.
		And it was the second time that had happened to me.
		The first time it had happened, it was after the United States Supreme Court's decision in the National Security Agency case.
		And that's when at first I started receiving these messages.
		And I didn't took some notes, but there were certain things at that time that couldn't be concluded.
		So I just dropped it.
		And then it started again.
		And basically, some of those events that I talked about then are coming true now.
		I see.
		All right, that clarifies things quite a bit.
		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, Hugh.
		And take care.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the O with Peter Gristen.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, good morning.
		I was interested in this 11 thing.
		I'd like to maybe throw my two cents into it.
		Okay.
		I thought about your 11 cents.
		Or my less.
		Let's see how it was actually 1-1.
		But anyway, I did some research this year, and I came across this book called The Black Arts.
		And it's just basically a history of the occult and everything.
		And I want to preface this by saying this isn't from a Christian slant, but what they have to say about the number 11 was that it represents, whose ever society this is, these are the faithful disciples of Jesus, because obviously Judas fell away.
		And what these 11 did was go out into the world to spread the message, because the number 10, and I don't want to make this confusing, represents the earth, and 11 is the divinity side.
		So when they applied this number to human beings, 11, these are people that are saints, martyrs, preachers, and this is very interesting.
		Teachers, as in communicators, as you and Art are.
		And it's very interesting what a caller a little while back said about maybe this has something to do with chapters in Scripture.
		If you just take what I said and read Revelations 11, 11, you'll see that those two, which is one, one, those two martyrs, are resurrected after they lay in the streets for three and a half days, as the story goes.
		But the reason why they were killed, obviously, but the reason why they were killed, because they were going out and tormenting the world, how they were tormenting them was because they were giving a message that the world didn't want to hear.
		And the Lord of Abyss in chapter 10 kills them and the whole world celebrates.
		So to make the long story short, it's almost as if the people that are seeing this 11-11 perhaps are these teachers.
		And you said you had a sort of a revelation and you and you and Art both are bringing, well, Art's not bringing the message.
		He's allowing the message to come through.
		But then people like you are giving us a message.
		So I don't know if it makes any sense, but what do you think?
		I don't know if I'm giving you any message.
		That's up to you.
		You have to decide that.
		I am just telling you my own experiences.
		Whether you find that consistent with your experiences, that's fine.
		If they're inconsistent, then that's fine also.
		I can only tell you what I'm experiencing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerston.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Peter.
		Good morning.
		My name's Marty.
		I'm calling from Brooklyn, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I do, firstly, I want to apologize to you, Rob Delph, from everybody in New York, for the antics of Curtis Fleewer.
		I truly, sincerely apologize for everybody.
		It's uncalled for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not necessary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Curtis is as Curtis does.
unidentified		I suppose.
		I do have a few comments.
		One of my comments is that I was taking out the trash about five in the morning the other night, and I had searched the sky as best I could to see at least one meteor in the Leonid space shower, and I saw nothing.
		And I was very, you know, upset or whatever.
		But when I was taking out the trash the other day, something caught my eye, and I looked up, and I saw a shooting star, I guess, go across maybe a third of the sky.
		And the thing that's weird about it is that it was sort of cloudy that night.
		And the area that I saw it in was gray, so that means there was some sort of precipitation, I guess, in the air or something, some fog, but I saw it.
		And there's street lights everywhere.
		I live in the city, and it was very bright.
		So it makes me think that maybe something is out there.
		But one question I have for Peter is if he's looking for records that might show that something is coming, either in Armageddon or some sort of catastrophe, natural or otherwise, to look at revelations, I think, is like looking at myths or something.
		You need to look at the direct source.
		And there's a time capsule in Giza, the Great Pyramids.
		And on our show, while you were in Africa, I heard a repeat of one of your guests saying that they had planned on opening Ganton Brink's door in the Great Pyramid.
		And a lot of people suspect that there might be a room behind it or something.
		I think there may be answers to a lot of questions in there.
		And I guess the question is maybe for aught as to whether you think you've heard that somebody's going to do something about it.
		And hopefully you're not going to tell me that they're going to close it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to tell you that Zahi Awas has said that he is going to close the pyramid permanently.
unidentified		That's very upsetting.
		I think there's a lot of clues there.
		There's something left over by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could not agree more.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I think there's somebody that used to inhabit this planet.
unidentified		That's exactly what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I was in Egypt, Zahi went out of his way to say, Art, there's nothing to hide.
		Go anywhere you want in the pyramid, go below the ground, go Below the causeway, investigate.
		And of course, I did, but I could have spent the next hundred years there looking around.
		And if I didn't know where to look, I would not have found anything.
		And so now he's, you know, after all that openness, now he's saying, we're going to close it forever.
unidentified		That sounds very mysterious.
		Yeah.
		I hope somebody keeps up on that.
		And I hope your guess from that time when you were away was correct.
		And that someday it will be opened.
		And it'll be shown to the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We shall see.
		I know there is, I can tell you this, there is a Fox special coming up that really, really, really surprises me in which they are going to open something or another at Giza.
		In fact, the headline is, let me see, from the New York Times news service, Fox to venture into atypical territory with Egyptian special.
		So somehow, some tomb is going to be opened, and Fox is going to cover it.
		So, I don't know.
		We're getting mixed messages.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Peter Gerson.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Peter.
		Good morning.
		Yeah, Art.
		Oh, by the way, talking about Richard Hovland, I think Richard Hovland is brave and most honest person I've ever heard, even though Art is being harsh sometimes on him.
		But anyway, I do have a question and a comment to Peter.
		Peter, earlier there was a caller, a lady, she said that the technology that she was asking about technology, whether it was from extraterrestrial, some of the technology, extraterrestrial or terrestrial.
		I was really, I was with you all the way until you said, no, it's not extraterrestrial.
		How does it qualify you to say that if you're not sure about it?
		And that kind of bothered me, to be honest with you.
		Well, it's just my opinion.
		It's an inference based on what I've read and seen.
		It doesn't have to be your opinion.
		You can draw whatever opinion you want.
		I'm just sharing with you my opinion.
		I understand that, but I mean, to say something, to confirm something, if you're not sure about it, it's like answering yes or no.
		Well, I don't want to argue semantic, but basically it's just an opinion.
		You're assuming I'm confirming something because you're reading something into it, but I'm explaining to you that it's only my opinion based upon what I've read and seen in documents, in books, and intuitively.
		So it's just an opinion, my friend.
		My opinions aren't worth any more than your opinions.
		I understand that, but I mean, to say something like extraterrestrial, it's not extraterrestrial, then you're confirming that it's not.
		And they're confirming it for the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't hear that at all.
unidentified		Well, the lady, she was asking, she said, could it be possible that some technology we have is extraterrestrial?
		Well, they're not trying to...
		Get me over here a minute.
		I'm not trying to put him down, but it kind of bothered me.
		I was all the way with him until he said that.
		My chin dropped down.
		Let me ask you, my friend, you still bothered now that I've explained it to you?
		I'm sorry, what was that again?
		Are you now still bothered even though I've explained you?
		I've explained it.
		No, no, I'm not.
		I mean, I respect you, and I've been with you.
		I'm enjoying your conversation, and it's very interesting because since you've been with defendant people, the UFO cases and all that, but you say it's not extraterrestrial, it kind of I'm a listener, a lot better listener.
		It kind of threw me out for a while.
		Well, it's inconsistent with your belief system.
		So it's hard for you to believe me when you feel that it is extraterrestrial.
		Let me ask you.
		The question definitely is that I haven't seen the evidence, the preponderance of evidence to convince me.
		You have to understand what we're talking about.
		I'm talking about what was seen definitely in 1947.
		I understand that.
		Do you believe the crash of Roswell by that?
		Just a question.
		I believe something crashed there, yes.
		Okay, then, you know, it could be.
		It's possible if you get hold of something, you could back-engineer it somehow.
		Well, I don't think it's possible.
		That's what I'm saying.
		I don't have to take that leap.
		And I represented Corso, who believed and stated in his book that it was back-engineered.
		But simply because I personally do not believe something doesn't mean I don't have a professional obligation to follow all leads.
		And I had a professional obligation to take a look at what Corso was saying, even though I didn't believe it.
		And I brought a lawsuit in court.
		And, you know, it's still going on, even though Corso has now died.
		I understand that, Peter, since you're a good friend of Richard.
		You're a great guy.
		Oh, and I love you, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you both.
		And hold on.
		We have reached the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		We will break here.
unidentified		I am here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So is the first time caller line.
		You're on the air with Peter Gerston.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		This is Willow in Corvallis, Oregon.
		Yes, Willow.
		I was hearing you talk about the 11-11 and kind of wondering about it.
		And I met a woman on the train one time who was just coming from some land that people have in Montana that is about the 11-11.
		They say that it's like a trigger number to awaken people.
		And this group of people, there's a woman named Solara who is kind of the focus person.
		And she's written a book called The Starborn about star seeds and also like 11-11 and energy grids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are even books out about the number 11-11.
unidentified		Right.
		And these people get together at different times every few years.
		And there's some sort of numerical pattern to it.
		And they do gateway ceremonies where there's like an inner circle that opens a gateway.
		And then there's an outer circle that is stabilizing energy.
		And then there's an outer circle around that that's kind of like a guardian circle.
		And so they're doing these things to help rebirth the Earth into, well, in the book it talks about the seventh dimension being the one that we're actually going into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Peter, this is apparently pretty widespread.
		It's been going on for quite a while.
unidentified		It seems so.
		I got quite a reaction when I talked about my 11-11 experience.
		Quite a few emails of people experiencing the same things, and there were quite a few websites that were referred to me, Solara's website being the primary one.
		So there are people that are very familiar with this.
		That's a very nice name, Willow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty name.
unidentified		Nice voice, also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Peter Gerston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Where am I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm right here in North America.
unidentified		I'd rather not give my exact location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt naming the state would give you a way.
unidentified		Well, it is somewhat of a state, but it's considered a province up here in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Canada, all right, so you're not even in the state.
		All right.
		Fair enough.
unidentified		I'm wondering whether Mr. Gerston would be interested in taking on a, well, some real kind of different type of, I don't know whether it's UFO or extraterrestrial-oriented type story, but I think you would be very interested in hearing about it yourself, Mr. Bell.
		We've spoke a little bit in the past.
		Does Mr. Gerston take pro voter work outside of the U.S.?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of jurisdiction, Peter, or what?
unidentified		Well, I never thought about it before.
		I know of U.S. attorneys that practice in U of K. Anything's possible, I guess.
		Why don't you email me?
		I'm not access to a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, everybody does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go to a library.
unidentified		Well, I'm in a rural location.
		I'll try and do that if I can, and hopefully I'll get this.
		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's another way to do it.
		Let's do this.
		Peter, do you have an address that you can write to?
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
		C-A-U-S, that's CARS.
		Post Office Box 20351.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		P.O. Box.
		Do it again.
unidentified		Post Office Box 20351.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
unidentified		Sedona, S-E-D-O-N-A, Arizona, 86341.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		86341.
		That's cause, P.O. Box 20351, Sedona, Arizona, 86341.
		What is it, Peter, about Sedona?
unidentified		Well, it's magical and mystical, I can tell you that.
		People's issues come up very quickly here.
		The energy is a lot different from different places.
		What can I tell you about it?
		It's almost a natural alignment.
		That's what I've been told.
		There are different observatories throughout the planet, whether it's Stonehedge or the Pyramids possibly or some of the other places to study the rising stars.
		Well, that's constructed by man.
		Sedona is a natural alignment.
		In other words, if you're in the center of Sedona and look out in certain directions, the name of the rock that you're looking past has a connection to the rising star.
		Now, whether they name the rocks afterwards over the stars, but basically it's a natural place where there's a natural alignment.
		They didn't have to construct everything.
		The rocks happened to be in alignment.
		They just happened to name them.
		So it seems to be a magical place, one of the magical places on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerstman.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Hondo from Memphis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hondo, you're going to have to yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to be able to do it.
unidentified		All right, is this better, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Okay, this question for Mr. Gerstman may sound ridiculous at first, but there's a lot of things going on that you make lose face in things.
		We send a lot of new faces to Washington as elected and appointed officials, but no matter what they stood for or what they did before the elections, once they're inside that beltway, they seem to lose all touch with reality.
		Everything that's human and normal and American disappears.
		With all the lying and secrecy and the cover-up, you think they all belong to one huge secret society that they're inducted to once they're in Washington, D.C. And that this Republican-Democrat bantering back and forth is really just a facade to cover up what's really going on.
		Well, I mean, I know what the theme of this reality is.
		The theme of this reality is The Wizard of Oz.
		Basically, that movie, one of the most popular movies of all time, is the message.
		There is something behind the curtain.
		We are only looking at the curtain.
		And there's something that is manipulating things behind the curtain, whether it's a secret government, a secret group.
		But I would also suggest, my opinion is that some of these people belong to these secret societies even before they get to Washington.
		So there's a curtain and there's something behind the curtain.
		Wow.
		Okay.
		All right, thanks.
		Have a good answer.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you and take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerson.
		Hi.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Did you say West of the Rockies?
		Yep.
		Something cut us off right there.
		I had a blink in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're on.
unidentified		Okay, this is Les from Maryzville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		If you indulge for a second, I have a short comment and then the question for Peter.
		Yes, go ahead.
		I too believe that I was pretty good for the region.
		Probably most of us were.
		I meditated on this for a long time.
		I used to live down there in southern Arizona, and I would go up in the mountains and meditate on things.
		And it's one of the things I did because it bothered me that everyone, what's my purpose here?
		I came up with that.
		I was put here as a witness for just about everything.
		Just that simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A witness for everything?
unidentified		Yeah, just what's going on, worldwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all do that.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		But I led a little bit more credence to myself on that.
		I played here for a special witness, I guess you'd say.
		That's just the feeling I got and the answer I got from meditation.
		Right or wrong, that's the Opinion, I have.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Peter, are you aware of the presence of what's located at Fort Wachuca?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
unidentified		You are not?
unidentified		You know, it's the Army's electronic proving ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And they have had an electronic corridor from Fort Wachuca to San Diego since clear back in the 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning what?
unidentified		Meaning they have means of projecting electronic beams, if you will, from Wachuca to San Diego and they send things and do things back and forth.
unidentified		It's a secret, top secret, always has been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Campolyn, I'm afraid, sir, neither one of us has heard about it.
		So we cannot comment.
		It's very secret.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm calling regarding what Willow called and was talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I happen to have the book 11-11.
		And when you open the front cover, it says 11-11 is a pre-encoded trigger placed within our cellular memory bank prior to our descent into matter, which, when activated, signifies that our time of completion is near.
		And then it says the 11-11 is hereby activated.
		And this has been going on for about 13 years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pardon me, who wrote the book?
unidentified		A woman named Solara.
		And she has a website, and it's invisible.com with an N, N-V-I-S-I-V-L-E.com.
		And she has a series of books out.
		And what she's all about is to remind people that have done reincarnating here on Earth for the last series of 26,000 years that our time, the people that see the 11-11, is up and that we are supposed to hold the light on Earth while the ascension happens.
		And that's what the 11-11 is all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, had you heard that?
unidentified		Maybe not in those exact words, but it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
		It's an exciting time we live in.
		There's no doubt about it.
		And the reason that we came is for this particular period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with Peter Gurston.
		Hi.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Yes.
		Hi.
		Charlotte King.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi, Charlotte.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
		Hey, I was listening to your program tonight, and this is a little different than what I usually talk about, but I was very intrigued with the weather engineering information you were giving out or what you believe to be weather information.
		Clear back in July of 1990, I happened to be outside one evening looking up and saw some brilliant flashes in the sky and made some contacts with people trying to find out what it was.
		And one of the people I contacted is the late Cal Steinberger.
		And he gave me some material and paperwork.
		And this was a government program where they were sending canisters up in the air and blowing them up in order to do things with the electromagnetic field.
		There was barium and lithium and titanium and all these different things.
		I recall that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall that.
unidentified		And I happened to be fortunate enough to see those when they went off.
		And he sent me all kinds of material on weather engineering, and I would like to send it to you if you'd like it.
		Sure.
		I have copies of most of it.
		And I don't know if anyone's continuing his work or not.
		There's government patents in it.
		There's drawings, all kinds of things in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Peter, is there any way you can file FOIA requests with regard to whether we are doing experiments with our climate or whether we have done any or make a general inquiry or does it have to be very specific to get an answer?
unidentified		Well, the more specific the request, the easier it would be to look for the documents.
		If you put in a general request, then you're limited to where they look because unless you have the expertise to help you to tell them where to look because they're always ignorant about where they should look in their own agency.
		Plus, they don't even have the level of clearance necessary to get some of this information.
		But what's interesting, in reference to the Department of Army case, someone suggested I get a remote viewer to remote view where the COSO papers are and then make a specific request.
		Yeah, and then, well, I was already in court, but just for the motion, defeat the motion, and tell me the file numbers even.
		So I guess there are different ways to do things, but you can request weather engineering, weather modification, but who would you request it to?
		HAARP or Department, which Department, Defense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, HAARP roundly denies, thank you, Charlotte, that there is any weather modification going on as a result of what they do.
		They flat denial.
		One more, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerston.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is Beth from Minnesota.
		I want to clarify, you know, I listen to your program every night because I work at night, and I hear things, and sometimes I'm not sure if I'm hearing them correctly or remembering correctly.
		Did you not have, I think it was a prophet who was on who said that President Clinton was going to be the one to blow everything wide open on the UFO situation in America?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure one time or another I did, yes.
unidentified		I think I heard that.
unidentified		And then I also think I heard that someone had said, and it might have even been Richard Halgland, that Clinton was that day going to be signing something that would enable him to declare a martial law if in the future it was necessary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's already been signed.
unidentified		That has been signed and that's confirmed.
		Oh, sure.
		Well, just in brainstorming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is, look, it is an ongoing state of emergency, and terrorism is the excuse.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's been signed for some time, and they just recently extended that.
unidentified		Well, two thoughts here.
		One is, you know, with the impeachment process that's going on, it makes me wonder what the real motive is behind this.
		I mean, they're going after this guy with just a vengeance.
		I know.
		And they have been ever since he's been in office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Just as a matter of interest, Peter, it's a political comment, but I'm sure you've been watching the impeachment process as it progresses.
		Any comments?
unidentified		I think it's a diversion.
		I think it's part of the script.
		We're going through death and resurrection scenarios, you know, symbolically with you leaving the air or coming back.
		You just see it all over.
		And I think Clinton's part of that.
		I think he's going to die, so to speak, and then he's going to be resurrected, and it might be with these disclosures.
		Might be the first president that was in office when some kind of contact was made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my friend, it has been a pleasure to have you on the air, and I hope a lot of people will go to my website, scroll down to the name Peter Gerston, go over and subscribe to the cause free, free daily email, and that your base will grow because I enjoy reading your stuff every day, Peter.
unidentified		It has already, my friend.
unidentified		Both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Peter, and good night.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		We're out of time.
		Sorry.
		That was Peter Gerston.
		And as I said, yes, by all means, go to my website.
		It's free.
		That's a good word, free, isn't it?
		Scroll down to the name Peter Gerston and subscribe to his daily free cause update.
		I think you'll enjoy it.
		Simply come to your email mailbox every day.
		So, that's it for now.
		Tomorrow night, we are going to have Dr. Michio Kaku here.
		He is one of our nation's greatest theoretical physicists.
		I think you're going to enjoy it.
		I also want to remind you that later today, between 1 and 4 o'clock p.m., we're going to be recording Dreamland.
		So if you've got broadcast.com, mark it down right now.
		You're going to want to be here at 1 p.m.
		We're going to have Linda Moltenhow, as usual, of course, and William Buhlman on out-of-body experiences.
		That's 1-4 o'clock p.m. today on broadcast.com.
		That program, of course, will be heard Sunday.
		So, for now, that's it.
unidentified		I'm afraid we are out of time from the high desert.

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