Art Bell hosts Peter Gersten, attorney for ufologists since 1977, who argues legal evidence—not science—proves non-human intelligence contact, citing dismissed CIA/NSA lawsuits and crop circles. Joined by Richard C. Hoagland, they link Turret Peak’s December 7th electromagnetic anomalies to Project Samson’s scalar tech, archived radar data, and potential weather manipulation shields tested during meteor storms like the Geminids. Gersten warns of impending martial law tied to sovereignty tests, possibly orchestrated via Y2K or staged extraterrestrial threats, while Hoagland speculates about classified programs preparing humanity for controlled chaos. Callers debate whether UFOs are secret military tech or non-human, with Gersten filing FOIA suits despite agencies’ denials, hinting at a hidden "scripted reality" behind global phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
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In a moment, we're going to get an update from Richard Hoagland on the Durrett Mountain business.
And he's got a witness, somebody who was there on Durrett Mountain.
He's also got more information on these radar pictures.
You remember we were talking about these radar pictures and somebody called up and said, oh, no, that's ground clutter?
Oh, no, it's not.
I heard from, I don't know how many radar technicians afterward who said, no, it might be ground clutter for a little while, but this radar is not intended to look at the ground.
And if it sees it, it's inadvertent and for a very short distance, not the kind of distance we see in those photographs.
So there you are.
Then next hour, we're going to hear from Peter Gerson, who is an attorney and does a lot of pro bono work for ufologists.
and so he knows a lot of what's going on legally in the UFO community.
And it will dovetail to some degree into the work that...
And so he knows a lot of what's going on legally in the UFO community.
And it will dovetail to some degree into the work that Richard is doing right now.
So all of that is directly ahead if you will just simply stay right where you are.
Well, let me try to give an overview quickly here.
About two months ago, we did a show on the ostensible announcement by a Paul Dorr from England of a signal coming from someplace in space from the direction of a constellation called Pegasus.
And over the succeeding weeks, we've been trying to figure out, was it real?
Was it a hoax?
Is it a heads-up?
Was someone alerting us to something?
We put together a lot of dots in the way of military sources that have contacted us over the preceding six months.
And it all came down to a little tiny piece of undiscovered real estate in central Arizona called Turret Peak.
And something that ostensibly was going to occur on or around December 6th or 7th of this month.
And when the 6th arrived, several bizarre things did in fact occur.
One was the worst snowstorm in 30 years hit central Arizona and covered, along other places, Phoenix with snow they haven't seen, as I said, for decades.
Eyewitnesses driving on I-17 north and other people on Turret Mountain, including people like Terry Major, who you had on last week, reported a bizarre phenomenon of clear sky above the mountain while there was snow blowing around it horizontally with no wind.
And above that, of course, the radar images that showed a radar image from Sky Harbor painting the snow that showed a bizarre doughnut or a hole-like appearance in the snow cover that looked like some kind of ring that was neatly wrapped around this little piece of nowhere called Turret Mountain.
Now, when people normally think of rings and radar, they see artifacts in the radar images presented by the radar itself.
The problem here is that the radar was located far south of Turret Mountain, and the ring was located around the mountain itself, in the snow, in the snow in the atmosphere.
This got us looking at other websites that had come to us by way of contact, up to and including people affiliated with Peter Girsten, who you're going to have on in the next hour.
And we've been trying to map out with this kind of amateur intelligence network of sources, contact, other websites, people looking at bizarre phenomenon and not knowing how they fit.
And it all kind of converged last week before I went to Las Vegas to Robert Goeswolf's conference on the fact that the DOR statement, all DOR, on the web months ago, was apparently trying to get us to look at the weather radar specifically on the period of time in question, December 6th and 7th.
And the hope was that if we did that, we would see a larger picture.
We would see something occurring, and in fact, we have.
If you go to our web tonight, you will find another update, another set of links with a new posting, which includes now some pieces we have fit together as to what we think we're seeing.
It's beginning to look as if what we were triggered to look at, we were tipped to look at, was the turning on of a nationwide defense system, some kind of electronic defense system, whose side effect is that it does funny things to the weather, and civilian radar is able to pick up the weather's signature.
And this system, this shield system, is codenamed Project Samson, which comes from a Hebrew derivation of the word brightness, because the ancient shields would reflect the sun, and so Samson, identified with the bright one, the sun, became synonymous with a shield.
This shield system was apparently activated after being tested all during the summer from June on.
We have archive radar data now going back to June showing these Bizarre cookie cutter type cutouts in the snow patterns over certain regions of the United States.
Ken Johnston, who of course you've had on your show, former NASA test astronaut, Rumman Boeing employee, NASA employee, very ably in the last 48 hours has put together a map with the weather radar overlaid on a position series of military bases.
And that map is now on our website, linked in the latest update at the top of our page tonight.
There's a perfect match.
These circles are, these phenomena in the weather radar, which is civilian-based, are centered not on the civilian radar stations.
They're centered on military installations that are nearby some of the major cities, which are covered by this civilian radar.
Because Peter Gerson has been getting email from Paul Dorr, who has been telling us all kinds of neat things in code.
And it's time that everybody who's really trying to alert us to a bigger picture stand still, put their evidence on the table, and be accountable for it.
The curious thing about Paul Dore is that without ever having a conversation, Paul Dore, in a private email to Gersten, accused me of being behind a so-called Pegasus hoax.
Well, given that we're looking at things and we're not behind it, I find it interesting that he now has turned about one more time and, in fact, willing to do a show that I tried to put together over a month ago.
Well, it's well and good.
Now, this is all anchored in supportable data.
This radar data, coast to coast, is so absolutely unambiguous and so inexplicable.
I was at this conference over the weekend there across the hill from you with, among others, Stephen Greer.
Stephen Greer, as you know, has briefed people from Admiral Zee.
He is stunned, not only by what he's seeing, but by the implication of what he's seeing, because it fits together with data that he has been led to look at from the inside.
Some of these high-level military sources who are not in the chain of command, who are apparently looking themselves at events that are taking place that are not supposed to be taking place.
So he has taken our sources and our links and has gone back to Washington, and we're going to stay in close touch over the next several days so we get that side of the fence looking at whatever's going on.
And so the following day was that Monday, and so we basically headed up 17 on our way to Turret Peak to kind of like see if there was going to be anything there.
We didn't know, wasn't expecting anything in particular, but we were just curious.
So we basically headed up there and approximately we got to our final destination in the Turret Peak area at approximately 12 o'clock midnight.
Turret peak is approximately about 15, 16 miles of fairly bad off-roading off of I-17.
When you first get off the highway, the road's not too bad.
About for the first two to three miles, we saw that evening two other vehicles.
One was just a standard car, and then the other was another 4x4, and they were basically coming in the opposite direction.
And for about the first two to three miles, it's not too bad.
But as you start getting deeper and deeper into the forest, it starts getting more severe.
Well, at approximately 12 that evening, we arrived at Forrest Road 44.
And Forrest Road 44 is the road that you turn off of, off of Bloody Basin, in order to get to Turret Peak.
Well, as we were going down that road, we came up to kind of a barbed wire fence or kind of a guard to keep the cattle either on one side or the other.
And so we got out of the car, pulled the fence back so we could go into it.
We drove in, closed the fence, and started on our way down the road.
Now, as you go on to this forest road, the forest road is substantially more severe than the regular part of the road.
Unless you have a fairly decent 4x4, it's not advisable to even attempt to go there.
As we're going through there, about literally 30 seconds later, Kevin heard a sound, a hissing noise, and he said, is there something wrong with the tire?
And I said, no, I don't think it is.
And I looked down at my pressure gauge, and everything looked fine.
And then a few seconds later, I looked down, and my pressure gauge and all four tires had dropped from approximately 40 pounds down to like 5 pounds.
And so I immediately stopped and said, Kevin, I've got to check into something.
I think we've got a substantial problem here.
So I got out of the car, and I proceeded to walk around the car.
And all the tires at that moment were fairly flat, but nothing major until I went to my back right tire, and I noticed that there was a slash in the tire that was approximately a half a foot in length, all the way from the hub of the wheel all the way down to the tread.
And I'm looking at that going, how the hell did that happen?
And I'm looking around, and I didn't see anything that could have caused that type of damage.
I've been off-roading in my Humvee for the last three and a half years, and you normally know when you get that type of a slice in the tire, it's normally because of a very large rock or something that you did stupid.
And at the time, we were traveling at approximately like five miles an hour.
The first thing we had to do is figure out exactly where we could find some stable ground because at the time, it was starting to cool off and the ground was in the transition between still kind of mud from the snow and getting firm again.
We've got Richard Hoagland and Daryl Smith, who was on Turret Mountain the night of the 7th of December.
And four tires, four or no?
Interesting, I suppose, possible, but not very probable.
So we'll continue with this saga in a moment.
All right, back to my guest now.
And Daryl, the first obvious question to me, I tried to ask it, is the part I don't understand, if a tire is punctured, and particularly if four are punctured or lanced, how would you fix them on the best of ground?
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Well, the nice thing about the Hummer is, or actually the nice thing about, or if not the nice thing, but our main problem was the fact that there was basically the one tire that was punctured, but the reason that all four went down is all four tires are connected to each other through a central tire inflation.
And so when the rear right tire got lanced, basically, since they were all in part of the same central system, all of the air for all four went out of that one tire.
Okay, we're short on time, so let's get through this.
What happened next?
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Well, so the first thing we did is immediately I got out of the car to isolate the tires as far as to take that one damaged tire and take it off the system so I could start inflating the other three tires.
So we started the other three tires inflating while we started pulling out all the tools so we could start getting that one tire off.
And as we started putting the jack under the car, our biggest problem then became finding stable ground because the jack wasn't working too well trying to lift 7,000 pounds of car in the mud and ice.
So we drove the car approximately about around 10 yards down a little bit further where the ground had become a little bit more firm since it was starting to get below freezing.
And we started to jack the car up.
Well, we got the car jacked up and we started working on getting the tire off.
And during the process of getting the tire off, I was occasionally, I kept hearing kind of a low thumping or thud type of a noise.
And I would ask Kevin, did he hear anything?
And he didn't hear anything.
And we'd keep on working.
And then all of a sudden, he would hear something, and then I didn't.
And for quite a while, we really didn't think anything of it until about 45 minutes into the process of getting the tire off and changing it, we started both hearing the same thing.
It was kind of one way of thinking of it is imagine being pulled up to a stoplight and you have a young teenager next to you with a radio that's kind of bigger than your car.
But the main differences that kind of caught our attention was at first we thought the sound was just a cow or something rustling in the bushes.
The only thing is it was a single sound that was brief.
And a very large cow with four legs going through a fairly dense forest with lots of leaves and lots of stuff wouldn't make a single sound like that.
And now the other thing that was also very odd to us was the fact that in that same scenario of someone being in a car next to you, there's one mistakable thing, one thing that you would never mistake in that sound, and that's the fact that you can hear it and you can feel it.
The difference here is we could hear it, but we didn't feel it.
And that kind of caught our attention because that didn't make any sense.
The concept of hearing low-frequency sounds that low or that kind of like what appeared to be very deep and not actually feeling that to some degree.
So as that was going on, that was starting to make us a little uneasy.
So that basically prompted us to go a little bit faster in trying to get the tire fixed.
Well, while we were going through this, we started noticing that this sound would occur in durations like every, it ranged from the shortest period of time was like 15 seconds and the longest period of time was approximately about 30 seconds in frequency.
And so this went on while we were changing the tire for a good 45 minutes of time.
Now after we got, now as this was going on, we were also periodically cycling the car on and off, on and off, just because we would turn the car off because the exhaust pipe of the car was right where we were changing the tire and we were choking on lots of diesel exhaust and so we were cycling the car off and back on.
Now one of the other things that kind of got strange as we were doing that is when the car is running, we can't have, we were trying to listen to your showing, we couldn't because the alternator gives off a real bad buzz that AM stations kind of like if you're trying to pick up an AM station, you've got an AM radio anywhere near Hummer, forget about it.
But the thing that was strange is considering that it's AM and the way the mountains are around there, there should be signals bouncing off of everything, and we shouldn't have any problem whatsoever.
We were about 5,700, 5,800 feet at the point where we were.
And so we got the tire.
So we're cycling the engine on and off and doing that.
And we got the tire back on, and the frequency of the sounds kept getting greater and greater.
But the duration was never shorter than approximately about 15 seconds.
Well, we got the tire back on, got ready to get into the car, and the car had been off for approximately about 30 minutes.
And we had the lights on so we could see what was going on.
And also by then, the temperature had dropped below freezing, and it was probably just shy of 32.
It was around 30, 31 degrees.
Well, we got into the car, got everything all packed up, and I got ready to turn the ignition and turned the ignition, waited for the glow plugs to glow to warm up so it could start the car.
And as soon as it said okay, tried to start the car and it went rrr rrr rr rrrrr.
And then I looked over at Kevin and he looked at me and we kind of like said the old S word and tried it again.
At first, our original intention was to go about seven miles down the road, down the mountain, to see if we could find any signs of people whatsoever, whether it was somebody in a car, somebody camping, anything, any signs of anything.
And after going about seven miles, we were going to call that kind of like the no return point, meaning that if we went further than that, we would just have to be committed, keep on going, or we would come back and stay at the car.
Well, so we started leaving at that point in time, and now it's approximately, it's around 2, 2.30 in the morning, and the ground has gotten to the point of very firm.
Everything that was mud is now solid, and there's like sheets of ice all over the place.
But the thing that was interesting at that point in time is as we were starting to walk away and start to head down the hill, the temperature felt fairly warm.
It didn't feel like it was that cold.
And at first we didn't think anything of it because after sitting there for almost two hours trying to change up a tire and pulling a 250-pound tire off the back and putting it on the car and all of that, going through that acrobatics, we're going, well, we're just worked up and that's why we're not cold.
Well, it got to the point where we're walking and we start noticing that our heartbeat is getting back to normal and we're getting back into like a normal state of mind and being.
And we were noticing that the temperature was still a lot higher than it should have been.
And the strange thing is, at that elevation, it should have been fairly cold.
But during that evening, as we were walking down for at least about one to two miles distance from Turret Peak itself, it was fairly warm.
But the further we got away from Turret Peak, the temperatures started to diminish.
And I'm not sure if, now part of it naturally is because temperatures naturally go down as time continues during the night.
But the weird part is as we were going back to the highway or in the direction of the highway, we were changing in elevation as in we were going down.
And so when you're going down, normally in this state, the temperature goes up.
At Horseshoe Ranch on Friday Basin Road, all right?
Exactly.
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And during that evening, as we were walking, I told Kevin, because a few times, Kevin has a problem with his knee and has a bad leg.
And I told Kevin that we can't stop, because there was a few times where Kevin wanted to stop.
And I told him that the way the temperature is out there, there's no way that we're going to stop because there's no way that we'd be able to survive properly.
And so it became a night of, for the first half of the evening, him keeping me in a good spirit and keeping my mind off of what's going on.
And then hours later, when it got to the point where it actually was hurting to move, for me to kind of keep spirits going and hopefully give Kevin enough motivation to keep going.
And when we actually got closer to I-17, the sun had been up for approximately two, two and a half hours, and we finally ran across a rancher at about 8.30.
And during the time that we were walking, I told Kevin that if we stop, there's no way that we're going to make it.
And when Kevin went to his doctor, because he had to get some antibiotics, his doctor told him the same thing: that if he would have stopped, he would have kind of like forget about it, would not have made it.
All right, so I think, as I said, that boils down to the fact that you were massively exposed to some sort of electromagnetic radiation that I know that Richard, with the displays on his website, as well as Turd Peak, now sees centered at many locations across the U.S. near military bases.
Tell them what happened when the ranchers took you back to Jumpstart the Humvee.
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Yeah, no, at Turret Mountain, whatever it was, was definitely intermittent because what happened then with us that morning, we basically got the ranchers, went back to the ranch to let everybody know what was going on, and then we headed back to jump the Hummer.
Well, when we got back to the Hummer to jump the car, normally when anytime in the past where I've needed any form of a jump, it's normally taken a while for the batteries to charge up unless the vehicle that was jumping the Hummer was also a Hummer with two batteries or at least another vehicle that had two batteries.
And I, you know, from what you describe with the thumping, with the heartbeat, with the weather conditions totally opposite of what they should have been.
There's something under Turret Peak that does not belong there in a tunnel system, either ancient or new, that's electromagnetic in nature, that's intermittent, that affects weather, and affects weather enough so that other radar can see the effect on the weather 50, 60, 100 miles away.
And there's a dozen of these or more scattered around the United States, most of them over known military installations, and their purpose tonight is totally unknown.
But I strongly suspect it is a SEAL system, a hyperdimensional scalar technology.
You know, my hat's really off to Daryl because Daryl and Kevin almost paid for their lives with vital ground truth.
If we didn't have their first-person testimony, we would be looking at radar and signatures, remote sensing, and it would be up in the air.
Now we know from people who, I mean, Peter Gerson and I really, and Francis Barwood, debriefed Daryl for what, about an hour the other afternoon, Friday afternoon, Daryl?
Which is why Daryl is on the air tonight, because I am absolutely convinced that Daryl is, A, telling us the truth, and B, came very close to not being here.
Unfortunately, he's coming up next because Peter and I have gone through this now for two months almost, and we have some very important ideas for what we need to do next.
The Turret Mountain Adventure, if that's what you want to call it.
And surely, as you listened to him, can there be any question with the Humvee's electrical system doing what it did, the thumping, the strange feeling, the changed weather, that something was definitely going on at Turret Peak?
You heard him.
He sounded articulate and honest to me.
That was Daryl Smith, and of course, Richard C. Hoakland.
Coming up is Peter Gerson.
For those of you who don't know him, prepare to meet him.
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For those of you who don't know him, prepare to meet him.
It is, and we just heard a remarkable story in the last hour of a man who went to Turret Mountain on December 7th and experienced obviously some kind of large electromagnetic pulse that affected the temperature, the weather, his vehicle, and damn near killed him and his partner.
Combine that with the maps that Richard C. Hoagland has on his site, which, by the way, you can view.
These are absolutely mind-blowers.
Get up to Enterprisemission.com through my website, www.artbell.com.
Jump over to EnterpriseMission.com and take a look for yourself.
Somebody explained this last week the radar pictures we were seeing or paints as ground clutter.
And since that time, many, many radar people have talked to me and said, oh, no, not a chance.
Ground for a while, but not out that far.
These are large electromagnetic pulses which are being illuminated by precipitation in the form of snow, I guess, or even rain.
And they are just quite remarkable.
Now, coming up in a moment is Peter Gersten.
He is an attorney who does an awful lot of pro bono work for ufologists around the country and maintains a mailing list, the cause mailing list, which I know many of you receive on the strange, the unusual, and it is issued on a daily basis.
That's Peter Gerston, and he'll be up in a moment.
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Tomorrow night, one of our nation's greatest theoretical physicists is going to be my guest.
He is a faculty member at New York City University.
He is Dr. Michio Kaku.
So you have that to look forward to.
That's tomorrow evening.
Tomorrow, between 1 and 4, we are going to do a special taping of Dreamland with William Buhlman.
And it's going to be on OBEs.
That'll be between 1 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
And you can hear that, by the way, on Broadcast.com live as we record it for broadcast next Sunday.
And there is a specific reason we're doing this tomorrow.
So tomorrow is a relative term, I guess, with so many time zones.
Tuesday.
We will do this Tuesday between 1 and 4 in the afternoon.
Or in my way of thinking, about 14 hours from now.
Those of you who have never heard Peter Gerston would be substantial in number.
So Peter, tell them a little bit about yourself.
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A little bit about myself.
I'm a double Pisces.
My son and moon are in Pisces.
I have Sag Rising.
Both my parents are dead.
I have two children.
One is 12, and one is 27.
He's doing his second year of residency in Indianapolis.
I got involved in UFOs professionally in 1977 when I represented Ground Saucer Watch in a lawsuit against the Central Intelligence Agency for UFO documents.
I mean, we don't need to go through the pain of law school, but I mean, you are an attorney and have been for how many years?
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Well, I was admitted to the bar in the state of New York in 1971.
I worked for the district attorney, the prosecutor's office.
For about four and a half years, I was a deputy bureau chief of the criminal bureau.
And after leaving the district attorney's office, I was the executive director of a victim witness project that was funded by the LEA, a legal assistance, law enforcement, something.
It's not in existence anymore.
And it was about a million-dollar budget to help witnesses and victims of crimes.
A couple of years later, I went into private practice, and for the last, I would guess, since 1976, I was a criminal defense trial attorney specializing in murder cases.
I represented the Ground Saucer Watch in an action against the CIA.
And then, because the Ground Saucer Watch didn't want to continue in the appellate process, and to go after the National Security Agency, when the CIA searched its files, it found documents from every other agency of this government.
You named the agency, and that agency had information about UFOs in 1977.
And NSA was one of the agencies that had a document.
So the CIA sent the NSA documents back to the NSA for release.
And Brown Saucer Watch didn't want to pursue that litigation.
So basically, I, Todd Zeckel, and Brad Sparks put together another organization called Citizens Against UFO Secrecy Cause.
It was perfect.
The acronym is perfect.
And we brought an action against the National Security Agency for the 135 documents they said they had.
And to make a long story short, the bottom line was that the district court ruled that because of the sensitive nature of the materials and the obvious effect on national security, the continued need for secrecy outweighed the public's right to know and withheld all 135 documents.
I went to the Court of Appeals in Washington, the three judges in the Court of Appeals, the three men in black, decided that the lower court's decision was the proper decision.
I then, on behalf of Courts, took an appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
I would assume that's the only time in the history of this country that any appeal concerning UFOs has been taken to the United States Supreme Court.
The United States Supreme Court decided that it wasn't even worthy of review.
They decided not to even hear the arguments, thereby forever prohibiting the public from obtaining the 135 documents unless they wanted to release them on their own.
You know, though, you know, this is America where we have a Constitution, and each citizen has certain absolute rights.
And so I'm sort of curious in the Area 51 decision, how they were able to, in effect, tell these men, yeah, you might be sick, but national security says, too bad, we're not going to give you any information.
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Well, I think it's just typical.
I don't know if we have any absolute rights in anything other than theory, but I have a feeling that based on what Richard's talking about, there's a possibility under a lot of scenarios that some of our constitutional rights will be suspended.
And I think we're headed in that direction.
So as far as absolute rights, I represented Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum back in the 80s, who came in contact with a strange aerial device and suffered radiation poisoning.
And when we brought a lawsuit, I brought a lawsuit pro bono, as you were mentioning in the beginning of the show, which a lot of my critics have forgot about now, because all of a sudden, now that I'm talking about other things, they forget about anything that's occurred in the past.
But in any event, we brought a lawsuit against the U.S. government.
That was the defendant in the lawsuit, not a particular agency.
We brought a lawsuit against the entire U.S. government.
And in that particular case, we couldn't prove that it was the U.S. government that had possession and control over the object.
And it's interesting because in their motion for summary judgment to dismiss the lawsuit saying, listen, Gersten can't prove it's ours, they relied on a theory that, hey, it might be a true UFO.
It might be extraterrestrial.
And we're not responsible for damage caused or injury caused by that type of device.
Now, reflecting on last hour's testimony, eyewitness testimony about what happened at Turt Peak, one could begin to talk about not only a single person's rights, but many, many, many people's rights not to be experimented upon without their knowledge.
Yes?
No?
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Well, of course, but we've seen this throughout our entire history as a species, as recently as the Second World War, even more recently with the quote-unquote alien abduction phenomena.
We see cruelty.
We see experimentation.
It's been going on, as far as I know, I was born in 42, and it was going on, I guess, around that time and probably sooner than before that.
So that's a common factor in whatever this program is that we are part of.
In other words, you believed firmly now, a long time ago, that we are, in fact, being visited, that this whole thing is, in fact, real and substantial.
You passed that belief point a long time ago.
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I passed that point.
I think that something was going on that, you see, we're talking at two levels.
I don't necessarily believe that UFOs are the best evidence of this contact.
I can prove in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt that we were in contact.
UFOs are basically the third best evidence.
But when I used to read those books, I felt that there was something else going on other than what we were told was going on.
There's eyewitnesses to certain experiences, personal contact experience, not just seeing UFOs, but interacting with whatever this is, whether it's an abduction, whether it's a contact experience, whether it's a visitation at night, whether it's an angel.
You know, it takes different forms depending on the frame of mind or the mindset we are in at any given time.
If you had had your choice of abductees to come to a witness stand in that sort of trial, who would you have picked?
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Well, if I have to bring in people, and I classify it personal contact experience, if I had to bring in people, I probably would bring in a person maybe that had an abduction experience, a person that had a contact experience that was uplifting, a person that probably had another type of a channeled experience.
There are different experiences by different people.
The typical abductee, I don't know, that comes to mind, maybe Betty Adreason, because she's to the Phoenix.
He is an attorney, does a lot of pro bono work for the UFO community, goes after a lot of government agencies, and that's quite an undertaking because generally the government doesn't let you sue them unless they give you permission to do that.
And when there's a lot of national security involved, question mark, they never, ever give permission.
Even if he's going to be wrong, I'd rather listen to him and at least be aware of what he's saying because it's coming a time.
And I think he's been, especially if you speak to him, he's been right many, many, many more times than he's been wrong.
And it's the same old story.
I don't think it applies to Richard because I think he's right on in this particular case, at least as far as all Richard does is point you in a direction and he tells you to go look.
When scientists take him up on his offer, and they have many times, and even laymen who actually take the trouble to go and look at what Richard is talking about and really investigate what he's talking about, 99% of them come back and say, hey, I think there's Something to it.
His critics are the ones that will take a quick look at a photograph and go, Richard's crazy as a loon and case closed.
They do no homework at all.
unidentified
Richard takes people out of their belief systems, out of their security zones.
Once they come out there, they are fearful.
And when you are in fear, you attack.
That's one scenario.
Another scenario is there is disinformation out there.
I'll tell you an interesting story because in the last two months, I've never been attacked so much from the same people that supported me and cause earlier because I no longer fit their image of what both cause and I guess I should stand for.
And we know what happened with Richard last week, what you faxed me and that whole incident, right?
Well, today I got an email from an individual who signs his name and underneath his name on an email, he puts NASA subcontractor.
So I assume he speaks and is a representative of NASA.
Not only that, on the distribution list of his emails as a NASA administrator, and he emailed me today threatening, and I think he might even have said he already had done that, downloaded the cause website and was going to submit what I had written on there and posted on there to the Bar Association of Arizona to have me declared incompetent to practice law based on what's on my website.
I mean, essentially, in order to have you disbarred, there would have to be a hearing in which they would be required to prove that what you have written are the writings of, what, a madman?
unidentified
A delusional attorney from New York.
A criminal defense attorney from New York who was going crazy when he went out into the desert heat on November 11th after talking to Richard Hoagland.
It would make actually a great trial because they would be required to prove something they're never going to be able to prove.
unidentified
Yeah, it's interesting, Art, because part of my, I guess, programming involves the trial.
I wrote about in The Ultimate Secret, some of the things I wrote about in The Ultimate Secret a day after I took the bar exam in Arizona, basically starting to come true.
And in that story, there is a trial.
Now, I don't know if I'm going to be representing Richard in the trial myself, but there is some type of trial that's in this story.
So I can see myself back in the courtroom arguing, I don't know what yet, but I would guess it has something to do with sovereignty and our right of self-determination.
I think that's the scenario that we are being basically set up for.
Every sentient life, this is my story.
This is what I've been told.
It has only to do with me.
I believe that every sentient life form, and we are a sentient life form, comes to a place where whether they're entitled, whether they have a right to sovereignty and self-determination is tested.
And I think that is coming to the local theater in our neighborhood now.
I think we're going to be tested to see if we can maintain our right of sovereignty or will we give it up to something or someone else again.
How close do you think we are to that crunch point?
unidentified
Well, I've been told, and I felt since I was a kid, that there were messages that we were getting to help us along our path.
The messages would come in different forms.
And the messages have been that we are being set up for the Armageddon scenario in whatever form.
And that will be our test.
We have chosen to come down and play in the backdrop of Armageddon, basically, whether we have the right to sovereignty, whether we will give it up to a savior, so to speak.
Well, natural, well, Y2K would be certainly one category.
But I mean, generally, a natural crisis could not be timed for somebody who wanted to remove our rights.
That would have to be manufactured.
Y2K is a maybe.
unidentified
Well, you have to remember that since we're in a three-dimensional reality, and I believe it's an advanced, a futuristic technology, it's not that difficult to create quote-unquote natural events.
So I wouldn't dismiss the fact that we can't create a natural event.
The third-dimensional reality is similar to what we see on the movie screen.
It's just more advanced special effects down here.
Yeah, I know, but I mean, what was the line of questioning beyond what we think we know, the radar images, the story we got from Daryl up in the mountain, the possibility that all of this is going on as some sort of protective thing for the planet, or maybe not, maybe something else?
I mean, where would we go beyond where we have gone?
unidentified
Well, I guess, you know, Richard could supply some more technical data.
He could give his opinion.
He could draw inferences from the evidence.
He has spoken to me about, you know, some of the things that he believes is going to be going on as early as, what's today's date, the 14th, this week.
The new so-called MJ-12 or majestic documents brought forward by Dr. Bob Wood, who I interviewed.
And I've got a full copy of the documents here.
I presume you have seen them or been able to peruse them.
unidentified
No, I don't know.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, because of the EQPEG, because of Richard's work, that's where my path has gone down.
I'd sooner stay in 1998 than go back to the 1940s.
So my priority is basically in the present.
But, you know, people have asked me my opinion.
I haven't looked at the documents, and I will not give my opinion until I do.
But basically, I hate to say this again, but to a certain point, it's almost irrelevant now whether they're true, whether they're false.
Some are a hoax, some are true.
There's a plan.
There's a pattern that's unfolding, and this is just part of it.
It started back in 1947.
It's a programming, and it's continued.
And it's continued at a scale where it brings us closer to first contact.
And you can trace it.
You can look back and see how it's been developed.
And basically, that's what happened to me on November 11th.
I was able to see the pattern rather than, because up until that time, I would dismiss everything as a hoax.
Whether it was the hailbob and the companion, whether it was the MJ-12 original document, whether it was the autopsy, whether it was the interview, I said, give me a break.
And I even dropped out for about 10 years saying, this field is just full of nonsense.
As a matter of fact, you mentioned the alien autopsy.
Are you aware that Fox, which originally presented that as fact or fiction and trying to sell it commercially as fact, now is going to do a show shortly exposing all hoaxes and including their own presentation of the alien autopsy as a hoax.
unidentified
So much for integrity, I guess.
It's almost like impeaching your own witness on trial.
It's all part of a pattern to program us to believe in certain things, you know.
And it's like telling somebody, a witness says something in court during the trial that was improper.
So the judge instructs the jury to strike, first instructs the stenographer to strike it from the record, then tells, which he can do, no problem, then tells the jury to strike it from their memory.
So basically, the jury's never going to forget what.
Matter of fact, it almost highlights, you know, by the instruction highlights the irregularity.
So when they get into the jury room, that's the first thing they talk about.
And so attorneys like you know very well to go ahead and say things or have things said, the judge will instruct the jury to forget, and you know they won't.
unidentified
And so does the intelligence community.
So the fact that they create a hoax in the beginning, whatever time period that people believe it's real, and then they prove that it's not, 10 years later, how many people are going to remember that it was a hoax?
It's the mindset.
It's the programming.
And it's been continual from, at least as far as I know, 1947 to the present.
Well, let's take EQPEG as the most recent example because you said you had done some work on that.
I watched your mailing list very carefully during the EQPEG business.
And at this point, what do you make of it?
unidentified
Well, I think it was a wake-up call.
I think it was to get somebody's attention.
It got Richard's attention.
I think it was to get people's attention.
I think somebody saw something and wanted to bring it to the public's attention in a way that they wouldn't be discovered, possibly.
And that's what it was.
And I think on one level, on the three-dimensional level, it was a message.
And luckily, Richard saw the message because he connected it.
If it wasn't for Richard, E.Q. Pegaside Signal would have died, a quick death.
Richard, on your show, connected it to an event that he was told was going to happen sometime in December in north of Phoenix.
So he connected it and kept it alive.
So as far as the signal, what do I think?
I think it's interesting that NASA and September picked up the same signal, even though it was earlier, which happened to be the same name or signal, at least, the hoaxer.
In other words, so this hoaxer, unless he didn't develop the plan until after the September date, you know, coincidentally picked up the same signal?
because this had to be planned, I would think, in advance.
So let's assume that he had What did he get the idea after the EQ Pegasi signal was picked up by SETI and he decided, okay, I'm going to use this.
Now, how am I going to use this to tell people that there's something they should look at in the weather?
It's very complicated.
It's very complex.
And on my level, it was a signal to me.
It was a metaphor a metaphorically symbol to wake up.
That's the way I look at it on a personal level.
Because I had a personal experience on November 11th where basically I woke up and it had to do with the EQ pegasi signal.
It was the first time that I was attracted to something that was a hoax.
I put on my cause update, when I read Paul Dorr Statement about the NSA agent along with two other British agents visiting him, I put out that that's ridiculous.
I've come to kind of lean toward that explanation, but whatever it is, weather's bad.
Y2K?
That could take down the power grid.
Electromagnetic storms, that could take down the power grid.
By the way, I really want to thank Myron McLeod and company, he came with others, who installed today during most of the day, ISD online here, and networked my computers.
Well, first of all, before I ask Richard any questions, Richard, would you raise your right hand and repeat after me, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God?
I do.
Okay, so now we can proceed.
I think that Richard has the grasp of something that is going on.
Each of us, I think each one of your listeners, and before I go any further, I just want to thank the members of COWS that are listening, that have supported me in the last two months during this transformation.
But people are feeling something.
People are being restless.
They're anxious.
They feel that something is going on.
And there's something going on internally, and there's something going on externally, because the external is the projection of the internal.
And I think that Richard, of all the people that I've heard and listened to and read about and spoken to, I think Richard has the best perception and grasp of what is going on.
In other words, there's a theme going on.
And I think Richard is able to see the mechanics of this theme.
And I think that it's accelerating.
And I think we should listen to Richard because we have nothing to lose if Richard is wrong and everything to gain if Richard is right.
And Richard is telling us that he is seeing something, something that is going on on this stage that we call planet Earth.
And I think we should be aware of it.
And Richard, you know, basically I can qualify you as an expert, you know, and then talk about all your credentials and then ask the court to declare you as an expert witness in certain areas.
And I don't have any doubt about that.
As a matter of fact, Richard, if his schedule permitted, would have been a witness in the video in Payson in the mock trial.
So Richard is an expert as far as I'm concerned in whatever is going on.
And I just ask you, Richard, to give your opinion as to what you see happening.
Well, I started my journey, my path, this is a very interesting term, about 15 years ago looking at these NASA images and assembling a group of experts in a wide variety of fields.
I have prided myself since even before my Cronkite days with being a generalist, with knowing something about a lot of different scientific disciplines, but more than that, knowing that you have to, to solve complex 20th century problems, be they technical or sociological, you have to cross disciplinary boundaries and integrate the whole.
You have to look at the whole picture.
And if there's anything that we're doing that I would hold up to other people to emulate, it would be don't stop at the water's edge.
A lot of investigators that I have met in my journey over the last 15 years are very good in a very narrow area, but they get freaked out if their level of expertise is exceeded or if their quotient for going where the data would lead them exceeds their psychological ability to follow that data.
I have been told, if I had a dime for every time I've been told it in the last several years, we don't want to go there, I would be a very rich person.
And I have resolved to myself, and I've resolved to your audience, that I will go wherever the data leads, no matter how crazy and far out and off the edge of the paper it appears initially.
If you don't automatically tell yourself, I'm not going to stop until it doesn't correlate or until we come up against a dead end wall or a blind canyon, you're not doing yourself a service and you're certainly not doing your constituency a service.
And I view this as a service to our constituency, which is a constituency in search of truth.
So with that as a kind of an overview, what I've tried to do consciously, more so in the last several months maybe than any other time in this long process that I've been involved in, is to deliberately remove boundaries.
And so when you asked me about the Paul Door story, and I began looking at the idea of a SETI signal and the standard paradigm of, you know, of ET calling us from some star system, the other dots were right in the back of my mind.
A la, the intelligence source, his trying to get me to pay attention to, quote, a landing.
And because of my generalist background, I just, I think I'm predisposed to be able to integrate a seemingly disparate data, maybe a little faster than other people who could do the same thing, but they've set up their own filters so they don't do it.
They tell themselves, oh, it can't relate.
It doesn't relate.
I don't want it to relate.
And so it doesn't relate.
So with this broad overview, we were able to go from nothing to a prediction of a specific set of remarkable events on an arid top in the middle of Arizona.
And lo and behold, some incredibly off-scale stuff has happened, which is now corroborated by disparities.
We have scientific evidence, the radar.
We have electromagnetic pulse evidence.
We have eyewitness testimony both before, during, and after these events.
Peter, in any court of law, what would that get us?
unidentified
Well, at least a preponderance of the evidence.
I think we would get past our case and into the other side.
I could make a case.
I could argue to the jury that something happened.
So if we're going by a civil standard, we now unquestionably have more than 51% that something weird went down under that mountain on the 6th and the 7th, right?
unidentified
It would be easier for me if we knew what the source of those signals were, but yeah, I still can make a case.
Okay, that's where we go next, because what I'm in the process of assembling is a volunteer team of radio and electronics and computer people.
We're going to try in the next few days to finish wiring Arizona so that we can pick up on the work of Charlie Plyler, the ELF specialist, the extreme low frequency electromagnetic radiation guy who's picked up the signals with his antenna systems over in North Carolina.
And by distributing certain people and equipment around the state of Arizona, we're going to try to triangulate and pinpoint as this thing is pulsing under Turret Mountain, we're going to try to characterize what it is.
Time sequences, frequency, energy distribution, and then try to correlate that with the radar from Sky Harbor in terms of its effects in a shield or a dome or a toroid centered around Turret Peak.
unidentified
All right, let me ask you, does this sound like a person that believes that there's nothing there, that it's a hoax?
Doesn't he sound like a person that is telling us to do something?
Doesn't he sound sincere and he believes what he's talking about?
Well, then, you know, it's almost like Richard hasn't even gotten into it yet, but it's almost like, remember CNN during the Persian Gulf War, they were on almost 24 hours?
Sure.
You should be on 10 hours a day with this story until we find out exactly what's going on.
I think this is a very important story.
There is evidence to suggest that something very significant is happening and possibly about to increase.
Well, Peter, we have even more evidence because one of the things that my friend Stan Tennon has said over the years, and Art has interviewed Stan, head of the Meru Foundation, a couple, three times.
Stan told me years ago that what kept him going for his 25 years of research through Meru was the difference between fake stuff and real stuff is that when you turn the crank on fake stuff, eventually the crank stops turning.
It's like a Bajin.
It runs down.
When you turn the crank on real stuff, new information pops out.
And the new information on the Turret Peak Pegasus EQ Paul Dore mystery was that we wound up looking at these radar plots, not just from Sky Harbor for Arizona, but for the whole damn country.
And I believe that you said that you thought that Paul Dore was giving a coded message, that you decoded a message from Paul Dore that led you down this path.
The initial statement on the web under the name Paul Dore, let's remove the personality for a minute from the code name, looked very clearly to me like a message.
And I spent two or three weeks, two weeks, I think, working very hard to try to correlate back and forth to see if there was a consistent message.
And there was, and we put it on the web, and it's there for everyone to look at it.
All right, Richard, why do you think, I'll ask you a question.
Why do you think Paul Dore, who first wanted to confront you, then did not, and now does again, why do you think he wants to come on the air with you now?
You know, I find it laughable that people think they can trace who's doing what by these IP codes and the other stuff, because you're dealing with the masters of magic.
You're dealing with the masters of electronic deception who have built a satellite system called Project 415, which is really now part of something bigger called Project Echelon, which can literally tap every damn phone and computer and voicemail on the planet and spit out a summary for the president if they so desire, which of course they don't with this president.
And so we're expected to believe that the Paul Doerr who I'm going to debate is actually any relation to the real Paul Dorr.
I don't know other than I think the real Paul Dore is a hero.
I think the real Paul Dore someday deserves to have statues built all over the planet if we take his information and we act on it and we maybe avert some horrendous, awful things that some people have planned for us tonight.
The primary technology we're dealing with is a series apparently of shields, you know, Scotty Ray shields over military installations scattered around the continent of the United States.
And the only thing I can think of on the radar, pun intended, that would be shooting at us is aliens showing up a la the other part of the signal, which is that we're going to get ourselves into a fake interstellar interplanetary war.
And the fake part's important because it goes along with this Armageddon scenario that I have come up with based on this data with my colleagues, that Peter has come up with based on separate data with his colleagues, and that Stephen Greer came up with separately from his discussions with people up to and including members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
He said, I've got to get this to certain people in Washington, and I gave him the URLs, and I gave him my phone numbers, and I told him where I was going to be over the next week, and the discussions are ongoing now.
He was going to have technical experts look at it, radar people, airline captains, military experts.
The honest part of the system, remember, I've always said on your show in dealing starting with NASA and then as we expanded, that most of the system is honest.
And from that, Peter Gerson was talking earlier, weren't you, Peter, about something that would come along that would remove most of our rights and freedoms.
Beside these bizarre rings, which appear to be the signatures of the shields, one of which is over you tonight, we see during the height of these meteor storms that we've been having great exposure in the media regarding, the Leonids and the Taurids, and tonight the Geminids, we see those being used as a cover for something bombarding these shields.
There is video, there is moving GIF animations that we're going to be putting up on the next couple days showing the shield over you to be targeted by something that left a blazing plasma trail in the atmosphere before it detonates harmlessly against the shield sitting over southern Nevada.
You've been promising us since the CALS came home STS-80 video.
Now, on that video, you and I both saw, we sat in my living room, and we watched the camera from a shuttle flight zoom in on a city, and we saw something fired from that city.
And that began a whole series of other events that took place over 19.5 over the Amazon at dawn with Orion on the horizon.
It's all part of the larger pattern of this NASA mystery that we've been attempting to figure out with these alignments and these rituals and all the other weird stuff.
There have been an incredible escalation in UFO reports and meteor, quote, meteor reports going back to December 9th of last year and something bizarre that fell in Greenland, which had no signature that matched any meteorite ever fallen to Earth before.
Had I intended to create a lot of reaction, Peter, I would not have waited until just before 3 a.m.
That was the day, by the way, I got back from South Africa the first night back on the air.
And I would not have waited until 3 a.m. to do it.
I would have done it earlier in the show when the affiliates were all on.
You know, in the last hour, a lot of them are not on back east.
Of course, it's a lot later.
So I tried to make it low-key.
It exploded in my face.
At the time I said it, I had every reason to believe that I was not going to be able to come back, that what had happened would require my full-time attention.
And so what is your question?
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Basically, I just wanted to acknowledge you because I got a lot of reaction from my readers that missed you, that informed me that separate and aside from who was on your show, you allowed them to be on your show, and you were able to get the message out.
And slowly but surely, I realized that the role of Art Bell in this drama is pretty significant.
And I want to thank you for that.
I want to thank you for giving Richard a forum.
I want to thank you for inviting me on the show.
And I think you perform the part of Art Bell excellently.
So my question is, what do you think of Art Bell?
Do you think that you are doing a service, even though it is entertainment?
Do you think that you're fulfilling your purpose here on the planet?
Yes, I absolutely believe I am performing a service, but it's intermittent, and I want my audience to know that.
In other words, sometimes, Peter, what I do is entertainment.
Sometimes what I do is really serious stuff.
I have on the best scientific minds in the country on one night, and the next I might have somebody who says they're a vampire.
So this forum is no single thing, and I think it disturbs my listeners because I mix everything up together.
I couldn't do the same thing.
It's like so many talk show hosts now are spending their entire hours on the air every day in endless discussions of Monica Lewinsky.
I couldn't do the same thing every day.
And I think I told the New York Times, or I forget who it was, if I, oh, NBC, I told him, look, if I had to do the same thing every day, I'd slip my throat.
So this forum is no single thing.
And occasionally, does it serve a very serious purpose?
Oh, yes.
Yes.
unidentified
Well, on behalf of my members who support you and myself, I applaud you for giving us that opportunity to say what we want to say.
And I don't know what your personal beliefs are on what any particular guest is, but at least personally, I feel that you have an open mind that you listen to them.
I do.
Yeah, so listen, you don't take the power from the people.
You give it back to them by allowing them to discern what it is that they want or don't want to believe.
What I see is the movies, the special effects, the Nintendo computer games, the, you go into now they have virtual reality games.
That's evidence.
That's evidence that's indicative of our level of technology.
When I look around, I see this universe, the solar system, this planet.
It seems to be indicative of another futuristic level of technology.
So I think a three-dimensional reality is nothing more than a movie that's going on, and we're actors and actresses, and we play different roles, as do actors and actresses on the screen, but we just don't know we're in a movie, and we go through this particular scenario, the reason we came down here, to experience everything.
The height of emotions, all kinds of emotions.
And basically, that's what I think a three-dimensional reality is.
I think it's basically a hologram.
And we see messages of that.
Matter of fact, I just went to the latest Star Trek movie.
And there are messages.
And there were plenty of messages about a hologram.
There were messages about something coming back that had been here before.
I don't want to give it away to the listeners who haven't seen the movie.
But that's what I think a three-dimensional reality is.
I don't think it's anything more than a futuristic technology that was created by something.
Whatever created it is still interacting with it.
We've heard legends, myths.
We read it in stories in the Bible about something created this reality.
And personally, I think it's still interacting with it.
And the question is now whether we have reached the level of being able to have the right to sovereignty and self-determination.
As far as my activation on November 11th, nothing unusual happens to me.
It's strange.
I've never really seen a UFO.
I've never had any kind of personal contact experience or paranormal experience.
But a month before, in November 11th of this year, I started seeing 11-11.
And I would see it on an exercise bike.
I would see it on a clock.
I would see it in different places, just the numbers, and sometimes 1-11.
And I wasn't aware that there was this type of phenomenon.
But it brought to my attention that something unusual is happening, because nothing unusual is happening.
And for me to think something unusual is happening is unusual.
So I would see that constantly, at least once, twice, three times a day.
And then it comes to November 11th, and I drive from Sedona to Phoenix to see my daughter.
And I was at a heightened state of awareness to the effect that I thought I was possibly going to die on this day, and I was getting a message ahead of time.
But I didn't die in the physical sense.
I think I died in more metaphysical sense.
Because on that day, and I'd always believed as I was growing up that you receive information at the proper time, whether our DNA is encoded with some kind of time release capsule or we're programmed or the subconscious releases.
I always believed that there was going to come a time that I was going to receive certain information.
And at that particular time, I believe I received, this is my story, information and the ability to see things more clearly, to see a pattern.
Whereas I used to see Individual hoaxes, I now saw a pattern that was leading to a programming, a programming to get us to believe in a certain thing, to set us up for something that we've been told about for X number of years.
And that was about to happen.
The reason, I always believed I was here for a reason.
And I always believed I was here for this particular period of time for a reason.
And my story is I believed that there were other people also here that came to this particular 3D movie for a specific reason.
Well, you described what I think my reason was for being here or is for being here and my little part in this three-dimensional act.
Let me turn the tables on you.
After your November 11th enlightening, I'll call it, where do you picture yourself in this little three-dimensional dance?
unidentified
Well, I would think before I came here, I would want to program the greatest scenario possible to experience the most extreme emotions.
I would think I would be part and parcel of the Armageddon scenario.
If that's what I was programming, I want to be right up to the top.
So I don't know the specific part, but I think it has something to do with that.
On a different level, I think the reason that I came to Arizona after a vision quest was to bring people together that had been together either here on this planet or in prior lives somewhere else maybe.
And nothing has dissuaded me in believing that from the time I've been here.
I've been bringing people together, whether it was when I first got here through Timeless Journeys or presently through CORES.
It's accelerating my bringing people together.
There are over 4,000 people that read on my list what I write every day.
And there are more that I've been told that they give their emails to three or four other people, and it's a mixture of different things, including a non-UFO subject on Sunday.
And then on Sunday, when there's nothing to report, it's non-UFO.
unidentified
Yeah, it's not.
It's funny because I had to do two non-UFO updates on Sunday because I had promised my daughter I would ask my readers to vote for her.
She was nominated for Teenage Woman of the Year, even though she's only 12.
Because she publishes an online magazine called Girls World Design, and she has over 2,000 subscribers, and she's only 12.
So I asked everybody to vote for her, since she was nominated.
And this is an interesting story because the manager, the executive of the company that has the website, emailed me this morning that she was very upset because in the box, when you vote for my daughter, you have to write comments why.
Some of my members had written, I'm voting for her so I won't be abducted by E.Ts.
I'm voting for her so that ETs won't move into my neighborhood and cause the real estate values to decrease.
Just a quick comment, and then a couple since we're going over scenarios tonight, I don't know, Peter, did you know that this past November 11th was Veterans Day here in our country and in Remembrance Day in Canada and Australia?
Seems appropriate.
Yeah.
And speaking about, you know, and I started thinking about our military and what Richard had said earlier about the possibility of, you know, a reason for martial law or something and, you know, Y2K coming up.
And I'm thinking what our military, you know, they have to know this was coming for a long time.
One on a national, a couple scenarios and then comments from you both, if you will.
One on a national basis.
If this was connected with some reason or some fabrication of some kind that might have a reason, an excuse to impose martial law, I mean, I would hate to be in a big city, say, when Y2K hits the government in October, right?
Be in a big city a week after the welfare checks stop coming in.
That's the first scenario.
And then on a worldwide scenario, I'm starting to think here, what our military is thinking as far as our technology, our smart bombs, our embedded chips, our military.
It's almost basically down to like we did in the Gulf War, everything from the air, everything computerized.
And when this happens, and they're thinking, wow, we're going to be kind of helpless there here in the future on a worldwide scale as far as 2 billion soldiers in China with the old-style tanks and armaments that they can use.
I mean, they would be free to march right through Europe, and we couldn't do a darn thing about it.
Do you think that either on a worldwide basis, like I've just described, or on a national basis, this origin would give us, for instance, maybe on a worldwide basis, to fabricate maybe some strike from another country and give us an excuse to make a first strike?
Because if that would happen, where, like I said, if somebody just decided to march over Europe with the older style weapons, we wouldn't be able to do anything.
Would they be thinking, hey, let's go ahead and fabricate something here.
That way we can go ahead and strike.
And then when this is all over and everything's passed, we'll still be the dominant power of the world?
But even you are unwilling to state definitively what you believe is coming.
unidentified
What I believe is coming.
I think martial law is coming.
I think something is coming back that has been here before.
And I think that the powers that are in control of this planet know that it's coming back and are preparing to be the ambassadors of this planet when it comes back.
Mr. Gerston, I've enjoyed the dialogue this evening, and I have a quick question for you.
Back in mid-November, Art had a gentleman on who claims he had an encounter with an alien.
He supposedly killed it, took it home, deposited it in his freezer, and some days later it reanimated.
The story went on to where his home was broken into, and allegedly this alien being was taken from his home along with a lot of destruction to his home.
What's your take on this?
And if you can say so, do you have any contact with this person?
No, I don't have any contact with this person.
In all fairness, I'm not that up on all the facts and circumstances of the incident.
I didn't hear the shows, and I didn't read any of the information that's posted on a website.
The group that had contact with this man was a San Diego ufology group.
That's all I know, Color.
unidentified
Well, basically, Gary Val Tenuta posted on my website that he believed the alien was similar to the alien in Travis Walton Fire in the Sky to the scream.
And then I got another email for a director at MUFON who indicated that at no time did this person either contact any of the MUFON people.
And Peter Davenport never remembered being contacted by him.
And I would think that somebody contacted Peter Davenport myself and said, listen, I just shot an alien or something along those lines.
It would maybe not get our immediate attention, but we would definitely remember that.
This coincided with what Richard was getting involved with.
So it was almost a diversion, because this was hanging around for two years, he said, as were the MJ-12 documents.
So all of a sudden, you've got things hanging around for two years, and they come to the public's attention around the same time, and there's sort of a diversion from maybe what Richard's talking about.
Plus, for the first time, we saw a story, okay, information, whether it's a hoax or not, about an individual coming in contact with an ET, killing the E.T., and taking possession of it.
At no time before that did we ever have that information.
The closest we actually came was ETs in military custody, either dead or alive at the alien interview.
But now, for the first time, we are being told, which is part of the program, that now ETs are interacting on a day-to-day level and not just coming at night.
So it's just part of the programming, whether it's true or not, to bring us closer to whatever this big event that's about to happen.
I think there's a technology that's on this planet that we are unaware of.
I think there's a terrestrial technology that started probably in the 30s and the 40s and continued.
And because of the war and this Cold War, at least 1947 went underground.
And all these agencies were organized to protect this information.
And basically, it's technology.
And I think that we don't give ourselves enough credit for developing some of the things that we see in the sky.
Now, you have to remember, there's black budgets, and there's possibly some secret organization, maybe our own corporations, maybe Lockheed Martin, that are involved in testing this technology without restriction, without limitation, and with resources.
So I don't think we've been told about the technology that exists on this planet.
I think we see it, but we're not being told about it.
It's classified.
And I think it's at least, I would say, this 50 years since 1947 when it went underground, I would say there's at least it's progressed.
It must be at least 100 years more sophisticated than what we're seeing because technology is filtered into this society piecemeal.
Well, what I saw, Peter, was so alien, and I use that word advisedly.
I don't necessarily mean little green man alien, alien to any technology that I would be aware of that we're anywhere close to, that it would have to be one of two things, either one of theirs, or if it's ours, it's such a big story either way, because it means that we have anti-gravitic technology.
Hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
But either way, what I saw, what my wife saw, and you can see that on my website, by the way, it is an accurate, precisely accurate representation of what we saw.
Thank you, Mark McCandlish, for doing the drawing over a period of months as we supplied him with information.
She invented a battery-powered machine that cranks your Beijing freeplay radio for you.
No, I don't want more blonde jokes.
This is Coast to Ghost AM.
unidentified
In Humboldt County, and my wife and I were, we had a patio on the top of a large mountain.
And we thought a plane was coming at us.
It was just turning dark.
It was right at the dusk.
And as it came toward us, we noticed that it had a large amount of lights on it.
So we ran out on the patio and looked at it.
And it went right over us.
And it had a grid of lights.
There were 40 lights in width and about 60 lights in length, which, of course, makes over 2,400 lights on this object.
It was a large, long, elliptical craft.
As it went over, it appeared to be hollow in the underbelly as it went right over us.
Next day we were talking to different people about it.
No one saw it but us, except in the paper the next day from Arcata, which is about 20 miles inland, I mean toward the ocean from where we were, there were about 25 reported callings of seeing these lights 20 miles west into the mountains.
And in the paper, it said that it was checked out because of all these reports of these lights.
And the aviation said there were no aircraft in that area that night.
And we still don't know what it was.
I thought it was a military, some type of military experiment.
We later thought it might have been a blimp trying to fly from one place to another, and they wanted to have a lot of lights on it, so nothing would run into it.
But we never did know what it was.
And I'm wondering, has anybody else ever seen a craft that had what appeared to be like Christmas tree lights, red, yellows, and blues, and on almost a square grid that outlined its entire form?
Well, unusual objects in the sky, large hovering objects without sound.
Those reports come in.
There are different configurations of light on the craft, and I personally feel that they can change the light formation to appear to be different types of geometric objects.
We've had reports of triangular objects and hexagonal objects and octagonal objects.
The point is, though, there is something flying in our skies on a continuous basis.
It has since the 80s.
No one has taken responsibility for control or ownership of this object, and we're not being told what they are.
I think we have a right to know what these objects are, and that's why CORS is going into court.
It's going to bring a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act against the Department of Defense, who has not met the time limits and not responded to my appeal in a request for this information.
So we're going to go into court, and we're going to go into court after the 21st of this month and file that lawsuit asking the Department of Defense to produce documents on what these objects are.
Before I address my question, you just brought up the 11-11 again.
Maybe it'd be interesting if somebody would research each book in the Bible, 11th chapter, 11th verse.
Maybe there's a clue.
My question is this.
I don't know if you can answer it.
When Richard was on earlier talking about that we may be in for an attack, do you, Art or Attorney Gerson or Richard, have any theory that if such an attack takes place, if it is going to take place because of the nefarious deeds of the black projects and the black priesthoods, as Richard would refer to that, and then as a consequence, the rest of us, we'll call us the innocent, would suffer.
Would this attack maybe not take place if all these black projects had not been circulating for the past several decades?
I don't even know if you can answer that.
It's just bugging me.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, we decided to come down into this three-dimensional movie.
It's a script.
We're just playing roles and following the script.
It's free choice within certain limitations.
But we planned this because we wanted to experience what's about to come and to experience it internally and then externally on the planet.
So we're going to find out whether it's an attack, whether it's something else.
I think it's going to happen now.
A terrorist attack, us attacking Iraq.
I don't believe ETs are going to attack us if that's the scenario.
That's not what I see.
There's going to be something that's going to create a lot of chaos here, one way or the other, I think.
Well, I'm talking about if it's extraterrestrial.
People like yourself and Richard and myself certainly do not endorse these black projects.
That's why I say we're the innocents in this.
The movie is perfect as it is.
There's supposed to be black projects in this movie.
There's supposed to be the military.
There's supposed to be the government.
Everything is perfect in this reality for us to experience what we're about to experience.
We're setting the stage.
Yes, I understand.
So basically, everything you see are mere props for this final conflict, for sovereignty and self-determination.
Just a little addendum, I've also had the 11-11 experience many times.
It seems like I'm driving every time I look up, the license plate in front of me is 11-11.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerson.
Hi.
Yes, sir.
I hear you.
unidentified
Okay, great.
This is Bill from Babylon.
And I was listening to Hoagland speaking about those manipulation of seem-like weather patterns.
Yes.
Well, I was reading a physics book on waveforms, and there's a lot of things that waveforms have in common.
And I got to a section on the spherical harmonic waveforms, and it mentions that whenever a sphere vibrates, there's certain nodal circles appear where the sphere stands still.
And that would maybe explain why the snow circled, there was an area there where the snow wasn't falling, right?
In other words, what I'm saying is that maybe Hoagland should look for these harmonics.
These patterns that he witnessed in Arizona would be maybe in different sections of the globe.
The reason why it manifested itself in Arizona was due to the wind being in the snow being in the air.
Peter, you were mentioning a while ago some references in the Bible, and I think I've been thinking about this for several weeks, but it would be very easy for a superior intelligence, whether it's earthbound or extraterrestrial, to arrive and claim creatorship, if you want to use that word, and to say, well, I did it.
I'm Back and worship me.
And I don't know if you are familiar with Matthew 24, 24, but it does mention in there that the power of this deception, whatever it is, is going to be so strong that even the very elect could be deceived.
And I think it fits right in with what you all are talking about tonight.
And I'd like your comments.
Well, I have two scenarios.
That is one of them.
Not to that extent.
Basically, he comes down as benevolent, and I don't know whether it's a creator or not.
It has technology that's much more advanced.
And basically, that's why we're going to believe it must have come from somewhere else because we don't have that technology when all along we've had this technology and you're just now seeing it in daylight.
So I don't know if that's the scenario.
That's one.
But I'm leaning now toward the scenario that I wrote about.
Basically, that whatever assumes control of this planet will be terrestrial, but appearing to be having technology that can help us, basically, that they've had all along and so forth.
And basically, to be the ambassadors of this planet, because we give up their power to them, when whatever comes back, it comes back, basically.
Because I think that the way they found out something was coming is in the interpretation of the crop circles.
But that's a whole nother story.
I think the messages were in the crop circles as to what was happening.
And whatever this group is, interpreted the crop circles and realized what's about to happen.
But I don't know.
Your scenario is just as good as mine, you know, as is anybody else's.
Well, I think there's some, you know, as Artwood says, synergy in all of this.
Right, but I'm trying to tell you what I found out about it so that you guys can get, you know, so the people out there that are wondering, they'll wonder what a master number is.
It's the master number of the universe, and it's the number that...
Well, through, I don't know, through the grapevine of other psychic people and people that I've known for years, you know, it was a definite number that is going to, and it could be the 11th day of November, also, which is a 1111.
And that's why people are noticing it, because something may be happening on November 11th, not maybe this one, possibly next year or the year 2000.
Back about a couple of years ago, speaking about Harry's situations, I was walking a back road, and if you've ever walked a back road where there's no streetlights, and you can almost strain your eyes to try to see, I was pushed.
I was alone by myself, and then suddenly this bluish-green, faster than I've ever seen one blink, strobe light from out of nowhere.
I didn't see any craft attached to it or anything above me, and it just disappeared.
And I ran.
And I felt emotionally distraught.
I was crying.
I didn't know what to think about what I just went through.
I mean, and then I finally come up on, you know, near the lights and whatnot.
And every time I get in a vehicle and I go on one of those roads, I fear that the car is going to break down and I'm going to be in a panic.
Well, okay, but you are still pressing for information that may be contained within Area 51.
unidentified
Yeah, it's very possible, I guess, that there is a connection, but we will see.
You see, the first two lawsuits, which is interesting, is that the government admitted they had documents.
The CIA admitted that they had, you know, 1,000 documents.
They released 900 pages, and they withheld 57 documents.
The National Security Agency admitted they had 135 and refused to release any of them.
And that was upheld by the court.
In the lawsuit that CORS brought, I think it was this year, against the Department of Army for documents about what Colonel Corso was talking about in the day after Roswell.
Yes.
We went looking for those documents.
And the government didn't say, in this particular case, the Army didn't say, well, we have the documents as they did in the first two cases, but we're not going to give them to you because of national security.
They stated that they didn't have any documents.
They couldn't find any documents.
And aside from what the colonel was saying, they don't have any documents in 1998.
And right now, we're waiting to go into court and argue whether the search by the Army was reasonable.
Well, that could easily be so because the late Congressman Stephen Schiff got a GAO investigation going, which eventuated in a statement that all of the records that he was searching for, or the GAO was, had been mysteriously destroyed.
unidentified
Yeah, I think there was a fire at one point also.
But it's going to be interesting to see the Department of Defense's position.
Are they going to find documents pursuant to these triangles?
Are they then going to withhold them under national security grounds?
or are they going to just say, we don't have any documents?
And I'll tell you, if they come forward and say they don't have any information, any documents at all, any records concerning...
He hasn't been very specific on what the something is.
It strikes me, I know from personal experience, having had some just odd experiences myself, and a lot of times when you're particularly talking to a radio land full of strangers, if something of a supernatural sometimes or other type experiences, there's a tendency to not want to get too specific with what it is unless you know the people you're talking to.
I'm just curious as to whether he could be a little bit more specific about what he sees coming or if he, in fact, even does know what it is that's coming.
Well, I can tell you what I wrote about, what I felt was channeled during that period, what I still believe.
I think that something is coming back that has been here a long time ago.
And either it had to leave because of some disaster to the planet or it was expelled for whatever reason.
Well, so the expelled thing is, is there anything?
I mean, there's the concept, the old Hebrew concept of the abyss, which is a place of consignment for whoever the guys were that used to be here.
And of course, there's the biblical concept that's referred to as the beast, for example, will ascend from the abyss, which is sort of a keeping place for entities gone bad or what have you.
Is that along the lines of what you're talking about?
Well, it's possible that there are a lot of messages, a lot of metaphors that we have to translate.
The information is there for us to look at to draw some inferences as to what is coming back.
Can you be a little bit more specific about your source?
you're saying this information was kind of channel.
I'm also not really clear on exactly what your source of your information was.
For a week period back in 1996, when I finished, the day after I finished taking the bar, I was inundated with very intense thoughts to the point where my mind could not think of anything else for a period of one week.
And it was the second time that had happened to me.
The first time it had happened, it was after the United States Supreme Court's decision in the National Security Agency case.
And that's when at first I started receiving these messages.
And I didn't took some notes, but there were certain things at that time that couldn't be concluded.
So I just dropped it.
And then it started again.
And basically, some of those events that I talked about then are coming true now.
Wildcard Line, you're on the O with Peter Gristen.
Hi.
unidentified
Hello, good morning.
I was interested in this 11 thing.
I'd like to maybe throw my two cents into it.
Okay.
I thought about your 11 cents.
Or my less.
Let's see how it was actually 1-1.
But anyway, I did some research this year, and I came across this book called The Black Arts.
And it's just basically a history of the occult and everything.
And I want to preface this by saying this isn't from a Christian slant, but what they have to say about the number 11 was that it represents, whose ever society this is, these are the faithful disciples of Jesus, because obviously Judas fell away.
And what these 11 did was go out into the world to spread the message, because the number 10, and I don't want to make this confusing, represents the earth, and 11 is the divinity side.
So when they applied this number to human beings, 11, these are people that are saints, martyrs, preachers, and this is very interesting.
Teachers, as in communicators, as you and Art are.
And it's very interesting what a caller a little while back said about maybe this has something to do with chapters in Scripture.
If you just take what I said and read Revelations 11, 11, you'll see that those two, which is one, one, those two martyrs, are resurrected after they lay in the streets for three and a half days, as the story goes.
But the reason why they were killed, obviously, but the reason why they were killed, because they were going out and tormenting the world, how they were tormenting them was because they were giving a message that the world didn't want to hear.
And the Lord of Abyss in chapter 10 kills them and the whole world celebrates.
So to make the long story short, it's almost as if the people that are seeing this 11-11 perhaps are these teachers.
And you said you had a sort of a revelation and you and you and Art both are bringing, well, Art's not bringing the message.
He's allowing the message to come through.
But then people like you are giving us a message.
So I don't know if it makes any sense, but what do you think?
I don't know if I'm giving you any message.
That's up to you.
You have to decide that.
I am just telling you my own experiences.
Whether you find that consistent with your experiences, that's fine.
One of my comments is that I was taking out the trash about five in the morning the other night, and I had searched the sky as best I could to see at least one meteor in the Leonid space shower, and I saw nothing.
And I was very, you know, upset or whatever.
But when I was taking out the trash the other day, something caught my eye, and I looked up, and I saw a shooting star, I guess, go across maybe a third of the sky.
And the thing that's weird about it is that it was sort of cloudy that night.
And the area that I saw it in was gray, so that means there was some sort of precipitation, I guess, in the air or something, some fog, but I saw it.
And there's street lights everywhere.
I live in the city, and it was very bright.
So it makes me think that maybe something is out there.
But one question I have for Peter is if he's looking for records that might show that something is coming, either in Armageddon or some sort of catastrophe, natural or otherwise, to look at revelations, I think, is like looking at myths or something.
You need to look at the direct source.
And there's a time capsule in Giza, the Great Pyramids.
And on our show, while you were in Africa, I heard a repeat of one of your guests saying that they had planned on opening Ganton Brink's door in the Great Pyramid.
And a lot of people suspect that there might be a room behind it or something.
I think there may be answers to a lot of questions in there.
And I guess the question is maybe for aught as to whether you think you've heard that somebody's going to do something about it.
And hopefully you're not going to tell me that they're going to close it.
I know there is, I can tell you this, there is a Fox special coming up that really, really, really surprises me in which they are going to open something or another at Giza.
In fact, the headline is, let me see, from the New York Times news service, Fox to venture into atypical territory with Egyptian special.
So somehow, some tomb is going to be opened, and Fox is going to cover it.
So, I don't know.
We're getting mixed messages.
Welcome to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Peter Gerson.
Hi.
unidentified
Yeah, good morning, Art.
Good morning, Peter.
Good morning.
Yeah, Art.
Oh, by the way, talking about Richard Hovland, I think Richard Hovland is brave and most honest person I've ever heard, even though Art is being harsh sometimes on him.
But anyway, I do have a question and a comment to Peter.
Peter, earlier there was a caller, a lady, she said that the technology that she was asking about technology, whether it was from extraterrestrial, some of the technology, extraterrestrial or terrestrial.
I was really, I was with you all the way until you said, no, it's not extraterrestrial.
How does it qualify you to say that if you're not sure about it?
And that kind of bothered me, to be honest with you.
Well, it's just my opinion.
It's an inference based on what I've read and seen.
It doesn't have to be your opinion.
You can draw whatever opinion you want.
I'm just sharing with you my opinion.
I understand that, but I mean, to say something, to confirm something, if you're not sure about it, it's like answering yes or no.
Well, I don't want to argue semantic, but basically it's just an opinion.
You're assuming I'm confirming something because you're reading something into it, but I'm explaining to you that it's only my opinion based upon what I've read and seen in documents, in books, and intuitively.
So it's just an opinion, my friend.
My opinions aren't worth any more than your opinions.
I understand that, but I mean, to say something like extraterrestrial, it's not extraterrestrial, then you're confirming that it's not.
Well, the lady, she was asking, she said, could it be possible that some technology we have is extraterrestrial?
Well, they're not trying to...
Get me over here a minute.
I'm not trying to put him down, but it kind of bothered me.
I was all the way with him until he said that.
My chin dropped down.
Let me ask you, my friend, you still bothered now that I've explained it to you?
I'm sorry, what was that again?
Are you now still bothered even though I've explained you?
I've explained it.
No, no, I'm not.
I mean, I respect you, and I've been with you.
I'm enjoying your conversation, and it's very interesting because since you've been with defendant people, the UFO cases and all that, but you say it's not extraterrestrial, it kind of I'm a listener, a lot better listener.
It kind of threw me out for a while.
Well, it's inconsistent with your belief system.
So it's hard for you to believe me when you feel that it is extraterrestrial.
Let me ask you.
The question definitely is that I haven't seen the evidence, the preponderance of evidence to convince me.
You have to understand what we're talking about.
I'm talking about what was seen definitely in 1947.
I understand that.
Do you believe the crash of Roswell by that?
Just a question.
I believe something crashed there, yes.
Okay, then, you know, it could be.
It's possible if you get hold of something, you could back-engineer it somehow.
Well, I don't think it's possible.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't have to take that leap.
And I represented Corso, who believed and stated in his book that it was back-engineered.
But simply because I personally do not believe something doesn't mean I don't have a professional obligation to follow all leads.
And I had a professional obligation to take a look at what Corso was saying, even though I didn't believe it.
And I brought a lawsuit in court.
And, you know, it's still going on, even though Corso has now died.
I understand that, Peter, since you're a good friend of Richard.
So there are even books out about the number 11-11.
unidentified
Right.
And these people get together at different times every few years.
And there's some sort of numerical pattern to it.
And they do gateway ceremonies where there's like an inner circle that opens a gateway.
And then there's an outer circle that is stabilizing energy.
And then there's an outer circle around that that's kind of like a guardian circle.
And so they're doing these things to help rebirth the Earth into, well, in the book it talks about the seventh dimension being the one that we're actually going into.
I got quite a reaction when I talked about my 11-11 experience.
Quite a few emails of people experiencing the same things, and there were quite a few websites that were referred to me, Solara's website being the primary one.
So there are people that are very familiar with this.
In Canada, all right, so you're not even in the state.
All right.
Fair enough.
unidentified
I'm wondering whether Mr. Gerston would be interested in taking on a, well, some real kind of different type of, I don't know whether it's UFO or extraterrestrial-oriented type story, but I think you would be very interested in hearing about it yourself, Mr. Bell.
We've spoke a little bit in the past.
Does Mr. Gerston take pro voter work outside of the U.S.?
Well, it's magical and mystical, I can tell you that.
People's issues come up very quickly here.
The energy is a lot different from different places.
What can I tell you about it?
It's almost a natural alignment.
That's what I've been told.
There are different observatories throughout the planet, whether it's Stonehedge or the Pyramids possibly or some of the other places to study the rising stars.
Well, that's constructed by man.
Sedona is a natural alignment.
In other words, if you're in the center of Sedona and look out in certain directions, the name of the rock that you're looking past has a connection to the rising star.
Now, whether they name the rocks afterwards over the stars, but basically it's a natural place where there's a natural alignment.
They didn't have to construct everything.
The rocks happened to be in alignment.
They just happened to name them.
So it seems to be a magical place, one of the magical places on the planet.
Okay, this question for Mr. Gerstman may sound ridiculous at first, but there's a lot of things going on that you make lose face in things.
We send a lot of new faces to Washington as elected and appointed officials, but no matter what they stood for or what they did before the elections, once they're inside that beltway, they seem to lose all touch with reality.
Everything that's human and normal and American disappears.
With all the lying and secrecy and the cover-up, you think they all belong to one huge secret society that they're inducted to once they're in Washington, D.C. And that this Republican-Democrat bantering back and forth is really just a facade to cover up what's really going on.
Well, I mean, I know what the theme of this reality is.
The theme of this reality is The Wizard of Oz.
Basically, that movie, one of the most popular movies of all time, is the message.
There is something behind the curtain.
We are only looking at the curtain.
And there's something that is manipulating things behind the curtain, whether it's a secret government, a secret group.
But I would also suggest, my opinion is that some of these people belong to these secret societies even before they get to Washington.
So there's a curtain and there's something behind the curtain.
And when you open the front cover, it says 11-11 is a pre-encoded trigger placed within our cellular memory bank prior to our descent into matter, which, when activated, signifies that our time of completion is near.
And then it says the 11-11 is hereby activated.
And this has been going on for about 13 years now.
And she has a website, and it's invisible.com with an N, N-V-I-S-I-V-L-E.com.
And she has a series of books out.
And what she's all about is to remind people that have done reincarnating here on Earth for the last series of 26,000 years that our time, the people that see the 11-11, is up and that we are supposed to hold the light on Earth while the ascension happens.
Hey, I was listening to your program tonight, and this is a little different than what I usually talk about, but I was very intrigued with the weather engineering information you were giving out or what you believe to be weather information.
Clear back in July of 1990, I happened to be outside one evening looking up and saw some brilliant flashes in the sky and made some contacts with people trying to find out what it was.
And one of the people I contacted is the late Cal Steinberger.
And he gave me some material and paperwork.
And this was a government program where they were sending canisters up in the air and blowing them up in order to do things with the electromagnetic field.
There was barium and lithium and titanium and all these different things.
Hey, Peter, is there any way you can file FOIA requests with regard to whether we are doing experiments with our climate or whether we have done any or make a general inquiry or does it have to be very specific to get an answer?
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Well, the more specific the request, the easier it would be to look for the documents.
If you put in a general request, then you're limited to where they look because unless you have the expertise to help you to tell them where to look because they're always ignorant about where they should look in their own agency.
Plus, they don't even have the level of clearance necessary to get some of this information.
But what's interesting, in reference to the Department of Army case, someone suggested I get a remote viewer to remote view where the COSO papers are and then make a specific request.
Yeah, and then, well, I was already in court, but just for the motion, defeat the motion, and tell me the file numbers even.
So I guess there are different ways to do things, but you can request weather engineering, weather modification, but who would you request it to?
Well, HAARP roundly denies, thank you, Charlotte, that there is any weather modification going on as a result of what they do.
They flat denial.
One more, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Gerston.
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Hi.
This is Beth from Minnesota.
I want to clarify, you know, I listen to your program every night because I work at night, and I hear things, and sometimes I'm not sure if I'm hearing them correctly or remembering correctly.
Did you not have, I think it was a prophet who was on who said that President Clinton was going to be the one to blow everything wide open on the UFO situation in America?
And then I also think I heard that someone had said, and it might have even been Richard Halgland, that Clinton was that day going to be signing something that would enable him to declare a martial law if in the future it was necessary.
Well, my friend, it has been a pleasure to have you on the air, and I hope a lot of people will go to my website, scroll down to the name Peter Gerston, go over and subscribe to the cause free, free daily email, and that your base will grow because I enjoy reading your stuff every day, Peter.