Sept. 23, 1998 - Art Bell
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| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| It's a wild morning. | ||
| I'm Mark Bell, and we have Peter Davenport from the UFO Reporting Center on in the first hour. | ||
| And there are sightings of fireballs and objects going on right now and for the last two hours all over the continental U.S. It is remarkable. | ||
| Switchboards are jamming all over the place. | ||
| I wonder what's going on. | ||
| Boy, do I wonder. | ||
| Anyway, in a moment, you're in for a real treat. | ||
| Joe McGonacle is going to be my guest. | ||
| And let me tell you what he told himself, myself. | ||
| He told me about him. | ||
| I am one of only two remote viewers from the project who was in both the Mead unit as well as the research side of the house at SRI slash SAIC. | ||
| The other man who is currently unknown to the public has about four years on the research side. | ||
| He is also an exceptional remote viewer. | ||
| Within our lab, there are at least six of what I would call world-class viewers. | ||
| In fact, I was the first viewer, number 001, recruited for Stargate and spent a little over seven years at Mead. | ||
| When I retired from the military, I spent the rest of my 21 years in the project working at the Cognitive Sciences Lab while it was located at SRI and SAIC. | ||
| I am still a full-time research associate with that same lab, which is now located with the Laboratories for Fundamental Research of Palo Alto. | ||
| There is a website for that. | ||
| We've got it up there now. | ||
| By the way, we've also got Joe's personal website up, and nobody's ever seen that before because it's just now born. | ||
| So if you want to read more about Joe, that's the place. | ||
| We've got the link. | ||
| Just go to my website, www.artbell.com, and click on the appropriate link, and we'll test Joe's site and see how much traffic he can take. | ||
| In the past, says Joe, I've been challenged numerous times to do a live, real-time remote viewing on camera. | ||
| I've successfully demonstrated this ability on double-blind targets for ABCs, put to the test, reader's digest, mysteries of the mind, and the paranormal world of Paul McKenna in London. | ||
| I've also been filmed live at the J.B. Rine Research Center in Durham while under the strictest of controls. | ||
| All but one was a first-place match, the exception being a target done at the J.B. Rine Center, which was a second-place match. | ||
| We'll find out what that means. | ||
| Contrary to common belief, I'm very well trained and well-versed in what is now commonly referred to as controlled remote viewing, CRV, or what originally began as Mr. Ingo Swan's training methodology. | ||
| Ingo Swan is considered the father of remote viewing. | ||
| I'm also, he says, well trained in at least four other techniques developed and experimented with at SRI, S-A-I-C. | ||
| I was trained as a dowser while at SRI. | ||
| Have participated in a number of psychokinesis or PK experiments. | ||
| I'm intensely interested in those. | ||
| While some choose to say that I am just a natural psychic, I have never considered myself in that way. | ||
| While I probably possess some degree of natural talent, since the beginning of the project, I have learned remote viewing is just like everyone else has. | ||
| I've learned about it the hard way through trial and error and a hell of a lot of hard work over many years. | ||
| From the latter part of 1982 until September 1st, 84, I was the only remote viewer doing the remote viewing at Fort Meade because everybody else was in training. | ||
| It is one of the reasons I received the Legion of Merit for remote viewing. | ||
| I had direct contact with and did remote viewing for 16 major agencies, the alphabet agencies of the U.S. government, from 78 through 95. | ||
| Much of that remote viewing was successful. | ||
| Some of it was not. | ||
| 99.9% of it is still classified and has not been released. | ||
| Wow, 99.9% of what was done is still classified. | ||
| He's got a new book. | ||
| It's called The Ultimate Time Machine. | ||
| And that should certainly serve to whet your appetite for what's about to come. | ||
| Joe McDonagle should not need an introduction to anybody who knows anything about remote viewing. | ||
| For those who don't, we'll do a brief 101 and then we'll get down to biz. | ||
| Here we go all the way back east to Joe McDonagle. | ||
| Joe, welcome to the program. | ||
| Laura, how are you doing? | ||
| I'm just fine and I'm sure glad to have you back on. | ||
| We did, of course, sort of a multiple thing one time, but having you back by yourself is a very, very good idea. | ||
| Were you really Remote Viewer 001? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| That was my number while I was at Fort Meade. | ||
| It was later number 372 while I was with the Kind of the sciences lab. | ||
| 99.9% of what you did with the government is still, you say, classified. | ||
| What about cutting it down to about 70% this morning? | ||
| I don't want to spend any time in jail, so I kind of won't do that. | ||
| Eventually, I suspect that most of it will probably be declassified. | ||
| There are some things that will probably never be declassified. | ||
| Is there any way that you can, even in general, refer to the kind of material it was? | ||
| In other words, was it mostly, for example, Cold War-related? | ||
| The vast majority of it was Cold War-related. | ||
| There were a lot of things that essentially revolved around some very difficult targeting of missing items, downed aircraft, things like that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's a question. | ||
| While most of it is still classified, you can surely tell me this. | ||
| What percentage of success did you have in identifying specific locations of, for example, a downed aircraft? | ||
| How successful was remote viewing for the government? | ||
| In terms of locational ability or locating missing items, it probably doesn't do as well as it does for other things where you're describing something. | ||
| In the search for missing items, the difficulty comes in in that you can have a near-perfect description of the location, but then you have to put it somewhere on the face of the planet. | ||
| The information that's generally provided isn't as detailed as one would like it to be in terms of defining a location. | ||
| Well, when they did the 30-minute night line and it was announced to the world that our government for 20 years had been doing this project and was giving up on it, they said they were giving up on it because it didn't work. | ||
| Well, that's not really what they said. | ||
| What they actually said at the time was not, it didn't have the kind of dependability that they needed or required to do the kind of intelligence work that they wanted to do. | ||
| That's not exactly true. | ||
| I didn't think it was. | ||
| There's a lot of myth that's grown out of the amount of accuracy and whatnot around remote viewing. | ||
| I think what's incredibly important to say here is that the kinds of jobs that we did with remote viewing were very much like the alternative healer kind of thing, where someone is declared essentially terminal by modern medical science and they show up at the alternative healer's place and place of business. | ||
| And the alternative healer can only claim 35 or 45. | ||
| 40% success rate, which is essentially 35 or 40 percent miracles. | ||
| Yeah, exactly right. | ||
| I mean that still is an extremely high percentage because by then you are the last gasp. | ||
| I mean police departments do that in murder cases when they're finally frustrated totally they go to a psychic. | ||
| Exactly right and they're usually able to develop new leads in some cases and in some cases missing information is provided that lead them directly to the appropriate suspect or the solving of the crime. | ||
| What do you say to people who say they believe remote viewing is a bunch of hooey? | ||
| Well, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. | ||
| What I base my judgment about remote viewing on is how solid the science is that supports it. | ||
| There's been now 25 years of research that's been done in remote viewing, and most of that research has been replicated in many different labs as well as different universities. | ||
| And statistically, it's carried across from lab to lab, regardless of who's doing the research or how the research is being done. | ||
| So scientifically, it is not really controversial. | ||
| In other words, it is sufficiently established as real? | ||
| Oh, I would think so. | ||
| I think the people that balk at that idea are the ones who immediately raise the question of, well, you can't tell us how the information gets from one place to the other. | ||
| So obviously this isn't very good science, which is, of course, bunk. | ||
| There's a lot of things in science that we don't know how it happens, but we do know it happens. | ||
| Are you a natural psychic? | ||
| Well, I'm about as natural as any human being walking the planet. | ||
| In fact, we think, and this is pretty much established by the research, that every human being that walks on the planet is psychic to some degree. | ||
| Well, they're capable to some degree, but there surely are an awful lot of psychic bricks walking around out there. | ||
| Well, that's true. | ||
| And the primary reason for that, Art, is they just either have something in their belief structure that prevents them from acknowledging it, or there's something to their ability that they just don't pay any attention to. | ||
| So when we say you're a natural psychic, you are very open to this sort of thing. | ||
| You've been involved in it for a very long time. | ||
| You believe in it. | ||
| And I guess in a way, that makes you a natural psychic. | ||
| But you were the first remote viewer in the government program. | ||
| So there must have been something about you at the moment you were chosen that caused you, above all others, to be chosen. | ||
| Well, actually, the initial selection process involved probably evaluating something like 2,000 people. | ||
| And some of the requirements that they were trying to fill had to do with whether or not the people they interviewed were open to this particular subject, as well as to whether or not they were skeptical, you know, had a healthy Skepticism towards it. | ||
| They didn't want somebody who was a total believer, and they didn't want someone who was not critical in their thinking. | ||
| Can you tell me this? | ||
| How did it develop that the government even decided to have this program? | ||
| Well, there's actually two reasons. | ||
| The primary reason has to do with the fact that there was a paper that was printed by Dr. Kenneth Kress in the CIA. | ||
| It was originally classified secret. | ||
| You can now find it somewhere on the internet. | ||
| But back in the 70s, it was a paper written about remote viewing as being studied at SRI at the time using Ingo Swan and a psychic by the name of Pat Price. | ||
| And in this paper, he proposed that it would probably of value from an intelligence collection standpoint. | ||
| Well, the Army saw that and had also done some studies of the survival rate of certain kinds of soldiers that were at great hazard during warfare. | ||
| And they decided that one of the commonalities between these kinds of soldiers and ones who don't survive is that they're probably very psychic people. | ||
| So they put the two together and decided that this might be worth something. | ||
| This might be worth doing. | ||
| The suggestion there is that somebody is able to mentally, somehow, even subconsciously, discern where a particular danger is, psychically, I guess you could say, and avoid that danger and that bullet doesn't hit them. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yeah, in effect, they essentially zig instead of zag at the right time. | ||
| It's probably because psychic functioning in general is probably taking place somewhere in the primitive brain and not in the more modern areas of the brain. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| Most people I've talked to have thought that the psychic ability occurred in the frontal lobe portion of the brain, not in the more basic parts of the brain. | ||
| Well, actually, the processing may be taking place in the frontal lobe, but the actual delivery of the information is probably taking place in the primitive part of the brain. | ||
| We talked for a second before we came on the air tonight, just to divert from where we're going. | ||
| And I told you that we have these incredible numbers of reports of things coming out of the sky tonight. | ||
| Fireballs, objects being seen all over the country. | ||
| I mean, the reports are just flying in from all over the country. | ||
| Something's going on. | ||
| And you said something kind of interesting. | ||
| You said maybe there's a pending geologic event. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's been a lot that I've seen in print and have read, and there's a lot of conjecture about these sort of light phenomena occurring around or in areas just prior to a major geologic event. | ||
| And I'm just kind of interested in seeing now, with all this going on, whether or not we have a major earthquake somewhere in the continental United States, or whether or not we have some geologic event that equates to this sightings. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You have written a book called The Ultimate Time Machine. | ||
| Time is something that really has been on my mind a lot lately, the nature of time. | ||
| And most remote viewers that I've talked to have suggested that moving through time, in effect, is possible with remote viewing, to the past or to the future, and obviously the present, which the Army would be mostly interested in, I'm sure. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Yeah, that's true, basically. | ||
| There's some conditions, however. | ||
| When one attempts to remote view the past, one of the conditions is that you're going to be rubbing a lot of fur the wrong way. | ||
| If you go back and remote view an event, for instance, in the past and then report what you see from a remote viewing standpoint. | ||
| You're ruining their revisionist history? | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| History, in my opinion, and I say this quite extensively in the book, history is pertinent to where you're standing in your sort of geopolitic and theologic view of the world within that timeframe. | ||
| We are constantly rewriting history to fit our needs of the time. | ||
| Is there a lot of difficulty when you begin viewing theological events? | ||
| Geological events? | ||
| Theological. | ||
| Theological. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, yes, there are. | ||
| One of the problems that I deal with is I, of course, have certain beliefs and constructs, and even though I may be blind to the particular target of interest, if I understand it's centering around a theological belief, certainly my likes and dislikes come into play. | ||
| So I have to be very careful about how that might interfere with my conjecture. | ||
| How do you separate yourself from your belief system when you're looking at something close to it? | ||
| You can't, really. | ||
| That's one of the downsides to any psychic functioning. | ||
| The person carries in their own prejudice, their own desires, likes, dislikes, that sort of thing. | ||
| But the whole idea of the disciplines that were recorded over a long period of time was to cut through that. | ||
| You're saying they don't entirely work. | ||
| No, well, no. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You know, that would be asking a human being to become a machine, and that's not quite possible. | ||
| There are things you can do to reduce the effect, but in actuality, there will still be an effect. | ||
| So there has to be an independent analysis of the information. | ||
| Joe, have you ever looked at the life of Christ? | ||
| Yes, I did, in fact. | ||
| It was not a remote viewing. | ||
| It was an explorer session with Mr. Robert Monroe at the Monroe Institute. | ||
| Oh, I interviewed Robert Bob before he died, just before he died. | ||
| Good. | ||
| It's a good place to hold it. | ||
| We're at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| What a question. | ||
| Have you ever viewed the life of Christ? | ||
| The answer is yes. | ||
| The Monroe Institute of all places. | ||
| My, my, my. | ||
| When we come back, we'll ask about that. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
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| Wild Ride, that's what we've got going on. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Joe McDonagle is here. | ||
| He is our nation's first military remote viewer, number 001. | ||
| A natural psychic? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Depends on the definition, I guess. | ||
| We'll get back to him and the viewing of Jesus. | ||
| See how I start with the easy questions? | ||
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| Please leave the cassette exactly where it is, flip it over, and begin again. | ||
| Music And now, back to the best of Art Dow. | ||
| Well, all right, here we go. | ||
| Joe, welcome back. | ||
| You notice how I start with all the easy questions first. | ||
| Right, I notice that. | ||
| But that is also of intense curiosity to me. | ||
| And so you had a session with Robert Monroe on the life of Jesus. | ||
| What did you find? | ||
| Well, it was kind of an interesting session in that there was a lot of interesting details about why there's a great deal of similarity between the man Jesus and some of the other prophets that have existed over the course of history. | ||
| Was Jesus a supernatural being? | ||
| I suspect he was. | ||
| And there was some things within the Explorer session that would seem to indicate that. | ||
| There's actually a full transcript of the entire session in my new book, The Ultimate Time Machine. | ||
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You equated him to a prophet? | |
| Well, a prophet in the sense that that's how we regard a lot of people on the face of the planet regard Jesus as a prophet. | ||
| Was he viewed as indeed what Christians believe him to be, the Son of God? | ||
| I'm going to get you in trouble, I'm sure, if I can. | ||
| Well, I think the answer is yes, in that we all are the creations of the Creator. | ||
| I mean, he, as a representative of the Creator on earth, was certainly a son or a construct of the Creator. | ||
| Is this Joe McGonicle, the remote viewer, saying this, or Joe McGonacle the true believer? | ||
| Actually, it's me reporting what was reported, or trying to report what I can remember about the events of the session. | ||
| So this really then, this came out of the session, and in other words, I'm saying the session determined there was a creation force, there is a creator, and this was a man, a supernatural man, associated with that creator. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would agree with those conjectures. | ||
| The thing to remember is that this was what Bob used to call an explorer session. | ||
| It was done in an altered state under the effects of what he used at the time. | ||
| Well, it's a thing called Hemisync, which is their technique that they use. | ||
| You have a Hemisync tapes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it was not a remote viewing, but it was a very interesting session in that it was still what I would call a blind session. | ||
| In other words, going in, I had no idea what I was reporting on. | ||
| Also, I was unable to remember most of what I had said over the two hours or two and a half hours that it lasted. | ||
| That's remarkable. | ||
| That really is chilling. | ||
| You had no idea whatsoever what the target was. | ||
| No, not going in. | ||
| Eventually, I think I realized what it was. | ||
| So you have to read the transcript with a little salt because I obviously have some personal feelings about it, which I can't help but mix in with the reporting, I'm sure. | ||
| May I ask this? | ||
| During the session, as you were saying whatever you were saying, was there feedback being given to you that would have suggested to you the target? | ||
| Eventually, yes, that did occur. | ||
| What Bob would do is he would take whatever statements I would make and ask questions based on them. | ||
| But in actuality, he knew what he was asking questions about, so the way he asked questions could very well have tainted the features of the results. | ||
| This is a great danger that occurs also in remote viewing. | ||
| It's very, very difficult to guard against, which is one of the reasons why anybody in the room with a remote viewer or anybody interacting with a remote viewer should be as blind to the target as a remote viewer is. | ||
| But you have done some very specific tests, haven't you? | ||
| In other words, extremely well-controlled tests. | ||
| Oh yeah, guaranteed double-blinds where everything is done to essentially guarantee that no one knew what the target was. | ||
| One of these, or some of these, were at Stanford? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Stanford, actually at SRI International, it's not called Stanford Research Institute any longer, but SRI International at Science Applications International Corporation. | ||
| How would a test like that go? | ||
| Can you describe what a double-blind test of this sort would be like? | ||
| Well, yeah, I can talk about what we term an intelligent simulation. | ||
| We had an agency come to us and they essentially said, we have some targeting material for you. | ||
| And they gave us a black and white photograph of an individual that no one in the lab knew. | ||
| And they gave us three times on a specific date in the future and they said, describe where this person is at each of these times. | ||
| And that was the sum knowledge that anyone in the lab had. | ||
| We did the targeting and we produced very detailed descriptions of the events and places that this person was located at. | ||
| Was located at or would be located at? | ||
| Would be located at. | ||
| How far into the future? | ||
| It was a matter of perhaps a week. | ||
| A week? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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| In one case, this particular individual was driving through an area at a specific time. | ||
| And in another case, he was standing in a top-secret facility that builds atomic weapons. | ||
| Another case, he was standing next to a linear accelerator that was in operation. | ||
| Holy smokes. | ||
| Things like that. | ||
| And you guys came up with this? | ||
| Right. | ||
| We described all four locations and all four events with unbelievable detail and accuracy. | ||
| That was later independently judged by that group of people that tasked us. | ||
| Didn't you ever wonder when you were given an assignment of this kind whether you were setting somebody up to be assassinated or hit or who the hell knows why? | ||
| Well, one of the unique things about remote viewing is that if you're on to that degree art, you're going to know whether or not you're being set up. | ||
| In fact, over 21 years, I've had at least seven or eight occasions when people have given me targets that were set up targets or where no target actually existed. | ||
| I've not been fooled any of those times yet. | ||
| You mean where people intentionally gave you totally baloney information as a test? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I can give you an example. | ||
| The most difficult target I ever worked was I was given the picture, I was given a black and white photograph of a room, and they essentially said there's something in this room that we're very interested in and describe it. | ||
| And I kept getting sort of a picture of a Y, you know, three lines intersecting in the shape of a Y. I worked on that for probably two days and finally realized that it was the inside and outside corner or perception of the corner of the inside and outside of an empty box. | ||
| And I said there is no target. | ||
| It's an empty box. | ||
| That was true. | ||
| And it was true. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That must curl the hair of researchers to have something like that happen. | ||
| I mean, it really would curl my hair. | ||
| Well, it's almost as good as doing an actual target where it's impossible to know what the target is, and you produce detail on it, and it defies probability. | ||
| If remote viewing in any area had a 30 or 40% success rate, I personally, and I know we're going to go around on this, but I don't for one second think the government has actually stopped doing it. | ||
| Now, most remote viewers that I've talked to right across the board have uniformly insisted the program is over. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| You join that crowd, I tell you. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| How can that be? | ||
| Well, it has a lot to do with politics, mostly. | ||
| If in order for it to exist within the government, or to be somehow franchised by the government, someone has to take responsibility for it. | ||
| And no one that works 38 years of their life to get the position of authority that they may hold is going to risk that career. | ||
| They'll want someone else to do that. | ||
| They may want to task remote viewers, but they just, quite frankly, don't want to hold the ball of responsibility. | ||
| It's devastating to a career politically. | ||
| But with a documented success rate, let me ask you this. | ||
| Do you think the Russians are still doing this? | ||
| I know they are. | ||
| You know they are. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So there you are. | ||
| Regardless of what people say about the Cold War, things are as unstable as they have ever been. | ||
| Probably the most unstable in Russia now. | ||
| Scarier than at many times during most times during the Cold War, right now. | ||
| And anything could happen over there, and they're doing it, and we're not. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Things are a lot scarier. | ||
| A lot of the controls that existed in the Cold War don't exist any longer. | ||
| As far as the Russians doing remote viewing research and continuing with it, they, like many other countries overseas, it's sort of psychic functioning is sort of part of their culture. | ||
| They not only believe that it's real, but everybody from Aunt Millie through grandma, whatever, have visions and it's part of their natural culture. | ||
| So in other words, the kind of political pressure there is here is non-existent over there with regard to this kind of program. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| It's essentially non-existent. | ||
| The kind of political pressure they put up with over there is to produce probably consistency in the results or to produce high enough level results that it can be used effectively or pragmatically in some way. | ||
| Are there very good Russian remote viewers? | ||
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I suspect there are. | |
| The cognitive sciences lab has some connection with some of those researchers, some of the prime researchers in the remote viewing arena. | ||
| And some of their remote viewers material has been seen, and it appears to have at least the same quality as some of the viewing that was done by some of the American remote viewers. | ||
| Well, if it's got that success level, and we're not doing it and they are, that really scares me. | ||
| That really scares me. | ||
| And it should scare everybody, because I've been hearing a lot of not good things about the Russians lately. | ||
| Do you have any remote viewing information with regard to our future relationship with Russia? | ||
| Well, yes and no. | ||
| A lot of what I would say would probably have to be called conjecture based on remote viewing. | ||
| But in my own sense of things, I would say that the Russian people have passed the point of no return in terms of their condition and where they're going and changes and whatnot. | ||
| I think that what we're looking at in their disarray is we're seeing what naturally takes many, many years to change. | ||
| I mean, they're going from a totalitarian, rather ignorant, and oppressive government to one of, you know, election by free vote and more of a capitalistic kind of economy. | ||
| So I suspect they're going to go through a lot of turmoil, and we're going to go through it with them. | ||
| And I think it's a good idea that we do, because we're the ones that can guarantee that they stay on that road. | ||
| So we should do our best, but you have no specific information about any future clash with the Russians. | ||
| I don't see if there's a clash, if there's a clash, it probably is going to be Russian against Russian, I suspect. | ||
| Not so much involving us in any way. | ||
| What about the use of nuclear devices? | ||
| I'm sure this would be a hot topic with certainly the government and with the American people in general, it is. | ||
| Will there be another use in anger of a nuclear device? | ||
| Oh, I think that's inevitable. | ||
| That's on the horizon. | ||
| I think it'll happen probably in our lifetime. | ||
| It'll probably be a tactical nuclear weapon, small yield, perhaps a quarter of a megaton. | ||
| It'll probably be targeted against a specific city. | ||
| I think, however, that when we're sort of sitting and thinking about, my God, would this be one of our cities, one of the things we have to take into consideration is the very distinct possibility that it could be actually used by someone else on a third world nation. | ||
| The situation has reached a point of criticality where within the third world there are probably three or four major factions that are vying for power. | ||
| And a nuclear, a tactical nuclear weapon detonated on the borders of, say, Afghanistan and Iran would be tantamount to starting the Third World War within the Third World. | ||
| And I'm more afraid of that happening than I am having tactical nuke show up in the continental United States. | ||
| Yeah, well, as I listen to you, I'm trying to delineate between what you are conjecturing based on current events and what you may know based on what you have remote viewed. | ||
| Or can we nail that down? | ||
| In other words, you have seen through remote viewing the use of a nuclear device, or am I stepping into ground here that you can't comment on? | ||
| We're kind of drifting into an area I'd rather not comment on. | ||
| I'd have a feeling. | ||
| I'll try. | ||
| Let me put it to you this way, Art. | ||
| One of the things I do know about remote viewing is that while we have a lot of superior technology for locating nuclear weapons-grade material, once a terrorist organization gets an 8- to 15-hour head start with it, it opens up the possibility of having to search huge areas with that technology. | ||
| Remote viewing can almost guarantee an 80% reduction in that search area. | ||
| If you were to view a specific incident about to occur, you know, those hours were ticking off, what would you do with that information? | ||
| Would you have a channel to get that information to the right people? | ||
| That, yes, I always have a channel I can get the information to people that I think may be concerned or could use it and I would do that if I felt that uh that I was right. | ||
| Um one of the problems is whether or not someone would take action based on it and I would never expect anyone to take any any kind of action based purely on remote viewing. | ||
| Uh what I would expect is that they might take the remote viewing information and use it as a targeting mechanism for other techniques or other methodologies to Well, let's put it this way. | ||
| If you were to make the call to a contact you have and say, look, such and such a group has got a nuclear device. | ||
| They're intent on using it. | ||
| It's in transport right now. | ||
| Would they take that from you seriously enough to apply other intelligence assets immediately to check it out? | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| I think there are people that at least know me by number. | ||
| They see 001, they'll probably do something with it. | ||
| Pay attention, yeah. | ||
| I can't, yeah, I mean, there's no way I could ever guarantee that. | ||
| There's no way I'd get any feedback from that sort of thing. | ||
| As I said, I am intently, intently interested in the nature of time, and I would like to talk to you about that, and you're a perfect guy to talk to because you wrote a book called The Ultimate Time Machine, which of course is remote viewing, correct? | ||
| Well, actually, the ultimate time machine is the human being. | ||
| The human being? | ||
| Yeah, true. | ||
| But using that discipline, right? | ||
| Well, actually, what I mean by that is in the context in which I understand time, I don't believe that there's a past except that which we create. | ||
| I think we live in a very immediate past of our own creation. | ||
| There's no such thing as the present. | ||
| And the future is purely a result of our actions today. | ||
| So, in effect, we as the ultimate time machine are creating this illusion of time and living within it. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| We'll pick up on the whole question of time when we come back. | ||
| Top of the hour so soon. | ||
| And yes, we will open phones for you to talk to Joe. | ||
| Joe McGonagall, remote viewer 001, is my guest. | ||
| He's a heavyweight. | ||
| If you're curious about remote viewing, don't touch that dial. | ||
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| From the Kingdom of Knives is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
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| Now again, here's Arts. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| It's a wild night, folks. | ||
| Our number one, Peter Davenport, at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, and I'm getting absolutely blitzed with calls. | ||
| We're getting sightings all over the continental United States in some specific areas. | ||
| Here's just one of many. | ||
| Please stop faxing me. | ||
| Stop faxing me. | ||
| I know it's going on everywhere. | ||
| Dear Art, tonight at about 9 o'clock p.m. in Eugene, Oregon, while walking home, we saw, this is Adam, Joe, Mike, and Abram together, a brilliant greenish shade of light streak through the sky, traveling as fast as a shooting star. | ||
| It was immensely larger than any shooting star we've ever encountered. | ||
| We appreciate your time. | ||
| Like to give your West of the Rockies phone number out more often? | ||
| Well, I'll try. | ||
| We're going to get a very quick update from Peter Davenport in Seattle. | ||
| It's a wild night out there, folks. | ||
| And then back to Joe McGonacle. | ||
| Peter, what's going on? | ||
| Yeah, we've been getting as many calls as you've been getting, apparently, Art. | ||
| Since I was last on the air just an hour ago, we've received probably two dozen calls. | ||
| Some of them are really interesting. | ||
| Just got a call from a trucker. | ||
| I think he called from Winslow, Arizona. | ||
| They were traveling to the east on I-40, saw some very peculiar flashing lights off to their left. | ||
| I presume that means off to the north where they were on the highway. | ||
| But intriguingly, we took a call from a very serious-minded sounding woman down in Kerrville, Texas. | ||
| Apparently, she saw something that is reminiscent of what was Dallas this evening. | ||
| Of what they saw in Dallas? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we also took a report from a gentleman down in Oregon who saw that green ball of light as well. | ||
| You're getting calls right now. | ||
| Yeah, I failed to block out the do you have any sense yet from the calls you've taken of how massive this is? | ||
| No, it's hard to say because we don't know how far away it was yet. | ||
| That underscores the value of our getting written reports with maps. | ||
| If people will send us an official roadmap, photocopy of a roadmap, on which they indicate, one, where they were standing at the time of their sighting, number two, a straight line pointing in the direction they estimate they were looking, when we get those maps, we can then estimate where the object was. | ||
| It could have been a mile away from them. | ||
| It could have been 100 miles away from them. | ||
| Well, you've got a lot of reports to do and a lot of correlating to do. | ||
| We sure do. | ||
| But one thing's for sure, something's going on tonight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That certainly appears to be the case from our vantage point. | ||
| And it's not just tonight. | ||
| From my perspective, Art, It appears to be a continuation of what's been going on for the last 10 days or two weeks, approximately. | ||
| Daytime sightings, of course, I played the tape from Vancouver today, 2 o'clock today. | ||
| The sighting over Westboro, Massachusetts. | ||
| We've been getting sightings reported to us all day long. | ||
| Of course, we have yet to receive the written reports on these. | ||
| The written report can change a lot of things. | ||
| But it is clear that there are a lot of strange events that are being seen, allegedly, by people and reported to us. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, one more time with your reporting number, please. | ||
| Our telephone number in Seattle is Area Code 206-722-3000. | ||
| Although we're about to shut down for the night, I've been working all day and all night, and I'm going to take a break. | ||
| The best way for people to send us a brief one-paragraph description of what they saw is on the internet, and my email address is simply director at ufocenter.com, or they can send a report over our standardized report on our website, and that's www.ufocenter.com. | ||
| Thank you, Peter, and we'll talk to you tomorrow night and get an assessment of all this. | ||
| Thanks a lot, Art. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| That's Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle. | ||
| And as I say, it's a hot night. | ||
| There's a lot going on out there. | ||
| So, if you're so inclined, keep your eyes peeled. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen, we're about to go back to Joe McGonneville. | ||
| Very quickly, though, an announcement. | ||
| It is my understanding, and it is my great pleasure to announce that KABC in Los Angeles, beginning tomorrow night, is going to carry the program in its entirety, beginning at 10 o'clock at night. | ||
| I could be wrong about that, but I don't think that I am. | ||
| Again, it's my understanding that KABC in Los Angeles has made the decision to begin carrying the program at its inception at 10 p.m. Pacific time, starting tomorrow night. | ||
| I know that affects a lot of people in Los Angeles. | ||
| Back now to Joe McGonagall. | ||
| Joe is the nation's first military remote viewer. | ||
| He still can't talk about most of what he did for the military. | ||
| In fact, 99.9% he can't talk about. | ||
| But we can talk generally about remote viewing. | ||
| And he wrote a book called The Ultimate Time Machine. | ||
| And Joe, it is your view that time, going into the future, for example, you could remote view an event and then, with free will, change that event. | ||
| In effect, changing the future, correct? | ||
| Well, actually, in that simple phrase that you just said, there's probably about five things that I could say. | ||
| Go ahead and say them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| One of the difficulties about remote viewing the future, or one of the glitches in remote viewing the future, can best be demonstrated by example. | ||
| Suppose, as an example, that we were living in the year 1850, and we actually remote viewed a pump laser in operation in Silicon Valley in 1975. | ||
| You could have a perfect, 100% correct remote viewing of that event, but you wouldn't understand it. | ||
| In other words, the conceptualization or the concepts that drive pump lasers don't exist yet. | ||
| So going out into the future, just a few years in some cases, depending on the target, can present us with unsoluble problems in terms of determining what it is we're seeing. | ||
| Having said that, when you remote view the future, if you see an event A as an example, and you record that, the fact that A doesn't happen just simply means that you were wrong. | ||
| In other words, you can have all the conjecture you'd like about whether or not our actions between that remote viewing and the event actually occurring somehow changed that event. | ||
| But that's all hypothetical. | ||
| In reality, we can only state what we experience, and that is we did not experience A, so it in fact was a bad remote viewing, or an incorrect remote viewing. | ||
| You say? | ||
| I do see. | ||
| It's my understanding from having talked to other remote viewers that very large events are more easily viewed. | ||
| For example, if your target was a certain individual, if they were about to die in a car crash or be hit by an 18-wheeler, something very, very eventful and traumatic, if not fatal, that would stand out and be more easily remote viewed than lesser events. | ||
| Well, that's partially right. | ||
| Based purely on sort of an objective observation, one would naturally say that. | ||
| In all probability, from a scientific standpoint, what's probably occurring is even a little bit more complex. | ||
| Remote viewing targets that have a higher entropy than other targets generally produce more information and more accurate information. | ||
| What that means is that lower entropy targets, which are generally targets that don't have much happening within them, usually do not produce as much information or as much accurate information. | ||
| So it really doesn't have anything to do with the significance of the event, but it has more to do with its content from an entropy standpoint. | ||
| If you can change an outcome that has been viewed in the future, then an obvious question is with regard to the past. | ||
| You can only view the past or can you affect, is there any way to actually affect the past? | ||
| I personally think that every remote viewing of the past affects the past. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| The reason I say that is because, as I said earlier, I think the past is purely a creation of the specific sort of geopolitical, theological scenario in which we happen to be living. | ||
| In other Words, what we believe today about the past is different from what we believed in 1890. | ||
| So, by remote viewing the past and making comments on it, we are adding information or belief structure to what is already known or believed to be known, and that has to modify the view in terms of how people think or feel about the past, depending on how much they believe in their remote viewing, of course. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A straight-on hard question. | ||
| Remote viewing is one thing. | ||
| There are people who talk about remote influencing, which is quite another animal. | ||
| Is remote influencing possible? | ||
| It is if it's demonstrated within certain parameters. | ||
| Generally speaking, where you see or observe remote influencing is where the target individuals or the individuals involved as the target generally have agreed by inference to being influenced. | ||
| In other words, if you have someone that you bring into an experiment, you say you're going to remote influence them in some way, by virtue of the fact that they've agreed to participate in the experiment, they've given sort of an agreement or compliance to being influenced. | ||
| I think you'll see influence occur then. | ||
| But in cases where someone does not give that sort of tacit approval, I have never seen remote influencing actually taking place. | ||
| I'm going to really take you out on a limb now and explain to you something I've done and at least get your comments on it. | ||
| I'm really thoughtful on what I have done. | ||
| I decided to play a couple of years ago and to experiment, actually in 95 I began. | ||
| And I said, look, if there are really these UFOs and if they are from elsewhere, or whatever they are, let's try a mass concentration to merely have these craft show themselves over a large American city. | ||
| And I had millions of people going into deep concentration to get that done. | ||
| Two weeks later, the lights over Phoenix occurred. | ||
| Then we tried it a second time, and there were massive sightings within a couple of days over Las Vegas. | ||
| Then, more recently, in the last year, I have done three separate experiments to attempt to control the weather, each one of them successful. | ||
| One time in Florida to bring rains to put out fires. | ||
| Within hours, clouds formed with no forecast for them, and it rained like hell. | ||
| Another time in Texas, where they desperately needed rain, and we tried it, and by God, they got rain in the exact area we asked for. | ||
| And the third time, in Alberta, in a province of Canada, where they were having fires, and again, we produced rain. | ||
| At that point, I stopped, and I began to sort of scare myself, and I said to my audience, look, it would appear that something real is happening here, but I'm concerned about the consequences of experimenting in these areas. | ||
| For example, people urged me to try to have mass concentrations to deter a hurricane from hitting the coast. | ||
| Well, that scared me. | ||
| I imagined all kinds of terrible possibilities like somehow managing to hold a hurricane over water and away from land long enough to build from a category two to five and then having it slam into land. | ||
| In other words, it seems like what I was doing, and I wasn't doing it, it was the millions of people, I was just sort of an orchestra director here, was working. | ||
| And it sort of freaked me out. | ||
| And so I have not yet done another experiment, but I've been very thoughtful about it. | ||
| What do you think about millions of minds in intense concentration over events of that sort? | ||
| Well, first I need to say that there's a very real possibility that something's going on there, that you are having that kind of influence. | ||
| But then secondarily, I'd have to say that there's another response that's possible in that you're taking sort of the key role in orchestrating when millions of people, millions of minds will be concentrating on a specific thing. | ||
| You may in fact be psychically picking the precise time and moment in time space to observe the result. | ||
| There's a very good example of this in a remote influencing experiment that was done by the Russians that I could give as an example if you want to hear it. | ||
| I do want to hear it. | ||
| you aware that the Russians contacted Malaysia and made an offer to create a cyclone and they would do it for free if the Malaysians gave their Right, I remember that. | ||
| They made, it was going on, being reported by the Associated Press of the Russians, actually said, we have, they said, the technology to create a cyclone. | ||
| Would you like us to do it? | ||
| And I'm still not over that piece of news. | ||
| Well, there's some interesting technology that's been developed just very recently with regard to observing certain patterns. | ||
| And as an example, the effects of the contrails of jets and how many days later and many thousands of miles away they actually create storms. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| So it may be that there are scientists that are very far along that track and that might have something to do with it. | ||
| It might also be that it would have been nice to have the opportunity to predict the cyclone for Malaysia and get paid a lot of money for being correct psychically. | ||
| Well, actually, they offered to do it once for free, and then there would be charges for any future production. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I guess it didn't go anywhere, but the implication was that they could do this with satellite technology that was already in place. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| You know, I would have liked to have seen Malaysia take them up on it. | ||
| That would have been fun to see. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| So you don't then toss out the idea that millions of minds in concentration over events of this sort can produce events of this sort as one possibility, the other being that I have sort of psychically simply read something that's going to occur. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, I would give each equal weight simply because I don't know if either has ever been proven. | ||
| Both, of course, hold the same possibility. | ||
| One of the things that's very difficult about proving this sort of thing is that I'm absolutely convinced and have been for many years that our expectancy and outcome are what we intend to have happen very much has to do with what actually does occur. | ||
| What we can't determine is whether or not it occurs that way because we've influenced events in some way that cause it or whether or not we've just in some predetermined way have selected the appropriate place to observe the event. | ||
| Do you give any more weight to either possibility? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Not at the moment. | ||
| I just don't have enough data and I don't think anyone does to weigh one possibility over the other. | ||
| You have even, I know, done experiments with telekinesis. | ||
| PK, yeah, psychokinesis. | ||
| Psychokinesis. | ||
| And that is the ability to move or in some way affect an object or a beam of light or whatever it is you choose with your mind. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| In terms of affecting solid objects, I have been successful in a surgical steel bar that was sealed in a glass tube. | ||
| you did this under control You bent a steel bar? | ||
| Well, it was a surgical steel implement. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| They normally don't bend. | ||
| They usually shatter under pressure. | ||
| Joe, hold on. | ||
| We'll obviously pick up on that when we get back. | ||
| Off into a whole different world, huh, folks? | ||
| What a night. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast, KM. | ||
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| Street light. | ||
| I turn my color to the cold and air. | ||
| When my eyes were sailed by the flash of any or light, script goodnight and catch the sound of silence. | ||
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| This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye with Art Bell. | ||
| The Sounds of Silence. | ||
| The Sounds of Thought. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| Joe McDonough is my guest. | ||
| You ought to know who he is, our nation's first remote viewer, number 001 for the government Project Stargate. | ||
| A man who just said that in a controlled experiment, he bent a metal surgical instrument inside a glass jar. | ||
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| And now, back to the best of our bell. | ||
| All right, we are about to, in a moment, open the line. | ||
| So if you have any questions for our nation's first remote viewer, Joe McGonacle, now is a good time to call. | ||
| You know what the numbers are. | ||
| And I'm going to turn him over to you in a moment. | ||
| But, Joe, where did you do this? | ||
| You bent a surgical instrument inside a glass jar. | ||
| This was an experiment done where, under what conditions? | ||
| Well, actually, as I said earlier, and I probably wasn't clear enough about it, it unfortunately was not under control condition because I was allowed access to this glass tube without someone in the room with me. | ||
| So that negates any kind of controls. | ||
| You know, I could have switched glass tubes or something. | ||
| But in reality, it was like a test tube, a glass test tube that had been melted shut on both ends. | ||
| And contained within it was a round, probably two centimeter thick surgical piece of steel about seven inches long. | ||
| And over a period of about eight months, I was able to put about, I don't know, about a three and a half centimeter bend in the center of it. | ||
| One of the difficulties when you start dealing with metals in PK is unless you're absolutely sure about the metal that's being targeted, it's difficult to say whether or not it would not have done that on its own in any event. | ||
| On its own? | ||
| On its own? | ||
| In a sealed glass jar? | ||
| Yes, that's very possible. | ||
| There could be some metallurgical defect within the metal itself when it's subjected to certain changes in temperature, as an example, it could have a reaction where it it seeks to uh change shape or go back to an original shape, particularly with metals that have been stamped or dye, die-created in machines. | ||
| That's why spoons are so controversial. | ||
| Is that what you think happened? | ||
| I think it's a little of both, actually. | ||
| It's a little difficult to say. | ||
| I have a nickel alloy serving spoon that's rolled up into a tight little knot, and of course that was very difficult to do, but when we attempted to unroll it, it of course shattered. | ||
| So rolling it into a tight knot in the first place sort of defied the laws of nickel alloy. | ||
| Boy, I'll say. | ||
| And when you tried to undo what you had done. | ||
| Right, it shattered. | ||
| It shattered. | ||
| We tried to unwind it by force, I would add. | ||
| So obviously if it was going to shatter, it would have shattered if I had rolled it by force. | ||
| But in this case, it just rolled up like a sheet of paper. | ||
| It was very easy to do. | ||
| How do people who observe this kind of thing happen keep full touch with reality after they've seen it happen? | ||
| I mean, I'd be, hey, I'm out of here. | ||
| Joe, you're a scary guy. | ||
| The usual reaction is people go into sort of a stunned silence and then they go away, and by the next morning, they've convinced themselves that it was a freak accident, and by that afternoon, they never observed it. | ||
| It's either integrated into their reality or deny it altogether. | ||
| And most people have a tendency to deny that they've seen those things occur. | ||
| Here's just a couple of faxes, and we'll go to the phones up. | ||
| Dear Art, in Joe's first book, entitled Mind Trek, he drew, as well as described, his impressions of the Sidonia region of Mars. | ||
| Richard Hoagland sits straight up. | ||
| Would you please ask him to describe the impressions of the Sidonia region of Mars as well as his impressions of its former inhabitants? | ||
| Well, actually, within the book, I drew a picture of what I think were the former inhabitants, and they are very humanoid-like, and they probably stood about 12 feet. | ||
| I have a personal conviction that the people who actually built the ruins, which I believe exist in the Sidonia region, probably existed a million years ago, and in some way might even be our ancestors. | ||
| In other words, there's a very real possibility that we're aliens to the planet we live on. | ||
| We are Martians. | ||
| Right, essentially. | ||
| Actually, I don't think they were originally from Mars. | ||
| I think they came from another area. | ||
| And the ruins that now exist there were actually constructed in a rather hurriedly fashion to protect them against the sort of ravaging storms and things that covered the face of Mars back then. | ||
| Which literally ended up stripping its atmosphere and water and so forth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And perhaps part of that group were safely transported to Earth at some point, and the rest, of course, didn't make it. | ||
| You seem like a really careful, well-grounded person as I ask you various questions, offering other, more mundane possibilities for what otherwise seems to be a psychic event, and yet you seem pretty sure about this, about Sidonia, about the inhabitants. | ||
| Well, and of course, I'm saying that that's my personal conviction, which doesn't make it right. | ||
| I also say in Mind Trek where I give the actual descriptions and transcripts and whatnot taken from the session that is, for all intents and purposes, I'm creating science fiction. | ||
| Until someone actually goes and lands at Sidonia and walks in those ruins, it's an impossibility to say whether it's right or wrong. | ||
| All right, somebody writes, I'm on the East Coast. | ||
| It's going on 3 o'clock in the morning here, and I've got to be to work by 8. | ||
| It's killing me. | ||
| Would you ask Joe, please, for any predictions or knowledge he has for the new millennium? | ||
| I have talked to some remote viewers, Joe, who say there's almost a block at some point in the future as they try to look past some point. | ||
| My book, The Ultimate Time Machine, I actually talk about mostly about the next 75 years. | ||
| There's approximately 160 very specific predictions with regard to date and what I believe is actually going to happen. | ||
| Oh, could you give us a few of those? | ||
| Well, it's a little difficult to do without the manuscript in front of me, but we were talking earlier about these light phenomena perhaps being a preliminary for a geological occurrence. | ||
| The things being seen all over the country tonight. | ||
| I'm almost convinced that within our lifetime, we're going to see a major eruption occur somewhere on the North American continent. | ||
| And I'm sort of torn between two locations, one being the Mount Shasta area and the other being Mexico City. | ||
| And one of my predictions is that if it does occur in the Mexico City area, it will be quite devastating because of the intensity of the population in that area. | ||
| I suspect that the one that you and I will see will probably be in the Mount Shasta area and that sometime within the next hundred years, the one in Mexico City will occur. | ||
| I'm a lot more specific about the dates in the book, but I just can't recall them from Memory. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And this. | ||
| I please ask, Joe, if a specific item like a stock price can actually be viewed for future performance. | ||
| And obviously, if so, then why doesn't a group simply make a few choice picks and fund any amount of research you would like to do in that particular fashion? | ||
| Well, there's a lot of ways of answering that. | ||
| You can do specific stocks. | ||
| You can use a form of remote viewing called associative remote viewing for binary questions like yes and no or constructive, destructive, that sort of thing. | ||
| And, of course, target a stock as to whether or not you should invest, not invest, or just leave it alone. | ||
| And I would say to the listener that I don't specifically ask them about their business, so I don't generally answer in response to whether or not I'm doing stocks. | ||
| Oh, gee, a lot to read between the lines there. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And so, yeah, I guess I wouldn't assume that a viewer doesn't make money doing that sort of thing. | ||
| I in particular, I personally don't have a great deal of an interest in the stock market because I believe it's a form of gambling and that for everyone who makes $10 in the stock market, 10 people have lost a dollar essentially. | ||
| Well, it is gambling. | ||
| It really is gambling. | ||
| They're presently trying to squash internet gambling. | ||
| You can go on the internet now and you can play roulette and poker and 21, whatever you want, offshore operations. | ||
| And they're getting ready to ban that. | ||
| And I was thinking the other day, if they're going to ban that, they probably ought to ban internet stock purchasing. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of people that are essentially giving up their homes and cars, playing the long shot on the self-invested stock market over the internet. | ||
| And they're habitated to it because they have a gambling condition. | ||
| And I think that that's unconscionable, personally. | ||
| Well, you know, in our society, we're capitalists. | ||
| And that's, I suppose, what it's all about, they say. | ||
| But how they delineate that from real gambling. | ||
| I mean, if you're going to play arbitrage, for example, that's, to me, just gambling. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And what is the difference, and how come nobody ever talks about that fact? | ||
| Just because that's what we are? | ||
| Well, I think part of the problem right now, the major problem in Japan, goes back to their addiction with gambling. | ||
| In their stock market, it wasn't good enough to sell papers on commodities for the future. | ||
| They were selling paper on the paper and then papers on those papers so that they were essentially gambling three layers deep on commodities that fail. | ||
| Well, that is more or less how we got in trouble with the Great Depression. | ||
| Do you have any specific economic information that would be of general interest to people? | ||
| In other words, do you see our economy remaining robust? | ||
| Is there a deep valley problem ahead? | ||
| Some sort of depression? | ||
| Do you see any deep problems in our economy? | ||
| I don't see any kind of a depression like occurred in 1929, but I do see a declining market. | ||
| I see a market that's probably going to go through at least four major corrections over the next five years. | ||
| And, of course, people make money during that period as well as they make it when it's rising. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's just that along with that comes sort of a negative confidence in the economy. | ||
| And so I think we will go through a period where people are shaken by it and disturbed by it. | ||
| But it's not going to be anything like the 29 crash. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Joe McGonicle and Arpell. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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Hello? | |
| I'm in Nashville. | ||
| Nashville. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're going to have to speak up good and loud, huh? | ||
| Get close to the phone and yell at us. | ||
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Okay, is that better? | |
| Much better. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I had a question. | ||
| I heard the previous program with Ed Dames. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And there was a question raised about a connection between remote viewing and Scientology. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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Yeah, and I have it on pretty good authority that that's good information, that Ingo Swan and Pat Price were indeed high-level Scientologists. | |
| Oh, listen, let's ask. | ||
| Exactly right. | ||
| There was a question in a previous program about remote viewing and a connection with Scientology. | ||
| Are you aware of any? | ||
| Personally, I can only attest to the fact that I believe that both Pat Price and Ningo Swan and perhaps another one or two individuals within the SRI lab at the time were in fact Scientologists as well. | ||
| I do know that some of them declined to remain members because they didn't like it or didn't find any value to it. | ||
| I would also have to say that I've known Buddhists who are also remote viewers. | ||
| So there is no more specific connection between Scientology and remote viewing. | ||
| That's what people seem to believe. | ||
| And I guess they've drawn that conclusion based on the fact that a couple were Scientologists. | ||
| Well, in fact, you know, you could really stretch and say that there's some indication that perhaps some of the techniques in Scientology might have showed up in some of the thinking of some of those individuals. | ||
| But again, like I said, my thinking is heavily laden with my military background. | ||
| So we are what we assume or what we do. | ||
| So I don't see anything wrong with that. | ||
| In other words, I don't see any kind of conspiracy or anything behind the scenes or under the table. | ||
| If one mind can be said to have so much power to either perceive events or affect events, is it proper then to conclude that many minds organized together to affect an event have a greater effect? | ||
| I would say so, but again, I would have to caution against assuming that it's the sort of mental energy that's come together or the focus that's come together to cause that. | ||
| You have to also assume at the same time that a million people with thinking that something should be done are in fact going to be taking action and doing things within their life structure that will promulgate that. | ||
| In other words, we'll sort of bring energy to that. | ||
| So I'm not so sure if it's the mental energy or the actual unconscious actions that we take as a result of our convictions that might eventually bring that to fruition. | ||
| It's probably a little bit of both. | ||
| All right. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joe McGunnigal and Art Bell. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Good morning, Art. | ||
| This is Tim from KO Geo Country. | ||
| In San Diego. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And I would like to ask Joe, would it be possible to get the masses of the minds together to create an experiment to prove levity is real? | ||
| Levity, as in John? | ||
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I mean, levity. | |
| You know, mind over matter. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| As in the experiment. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That he talked about earlier. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I would like to see that happen. | ||
| One of the difficulties in getting millions of minds together to focus on something is getting them to all agree essentially on an absolute intent that's common among all those minds. | ||
| See, this is what we did with these weather experiments and the others. | ||
| And frankly, Joe, it honestly scared me. | ||
| And I began to contemplate consequences that I couldn't anticipate for doing something like that. | ||
| And it stopped me. | ||
| And I'm still stopped. | ||
| Well, let me suggest another alternative to you, Art. | ||
| I can understand where that fear would come into play, but isn't it a worst case scenario to live your life in a world where sort of coordinated action can make changes and where we choose to ignore that possibility and just sort of go along for the ride? | ||
| Absolutely so. | ||
| Yes, you're absolutely correct. | ||
| But I still think there should be a cautionary note here that it might have consequences that you wouldn't expect, that would be negative. | ||
| And I just would like to be more sure of what I'm doing before I proceed. | ||
| And I'm not sure how I get to that point where I'm sure enough to proceed. | ||
| Well, you can put it in a context that's more positive. | ||
| For instance, if you're proposing to change weather to water crops, then the intent there is a positive and constructive one. | ||
| And I can't imagine that weather would occur that would create damage or destructive results. | ||
| In other words, it's all part of the same intent. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| Hold on, Joe. | ||
| We're at the top of the hour. | ||
| Yeah, it's all part of the same intent, but inevitably, then, there are destructive weather things that have occurred in areas that we've concentrated on. | ||
| And believe me, we get email and we get letters saying, look what you did. | ||
| i'm ard bell and this is coast to coast am I see them blue for you. | ||
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And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. | |
| Talk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh from outside the U.S. First, dial your access number to the USA. | ||
| Then, 800-893-0903. | ||
| If you're a first-time caller, call ART at 702-727-1222. | ||
| From east of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033. | ||
| West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico. | ||
| Call ART at 1-800-618-8255. | ||
| Or call ART on the Wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nigh. | ||
| It is, and Joe McGonacle is here. | ||
| He's our nation's first remote viewer. | ||
| 001 in the military. | ||
| He's definitely a heavyweight. | ||
| If you have questions about remote viewing or what Joe has remote viewed, then we are available for you. | ||
| and the lines, of course, are totally jammed, so all I can say is... | ||
| Keep trying to get through. | ||
| Anyway, more of this directly ahead. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| And I've got several questions about shows we've done in the last couple days. | ||
| You know, the ones that talked about the Russian weapons. | ||
| I wonder if that's something you can comment on. | ||
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We'll find out in a moment. | |
| Back to Joe McDonough. | ||
| You holding up okay, Joe? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| All right, good. | ||
| I had the highest-ranking Soviet defector to ever come out of the Soviet Union on my show a week or so ago. | ||
| And then I had a lieutenant colonel on the other evening, and both of these gentlemen said that the Russians are, and for a long time have been, experimenting with, In fact, causing earthquakes. | ||
| Is this an area that you cannot comment on? | ||
| I don't know a lot about that area, quite frankly. | ||
| I can understand where they might be saying that, but some of the reasons why they might be saying that, I'm not sure, would imply a weapon system of any kind. | ||
| By the way, folks, if you want to read more about Joe, and I'm just looking at one little part of his website right now, we've got it linked. | ||
| Under remote viewing, you will find the definition of remote viewing, history with Stargate, examples of remote viewing, frequently asked questions, research and development, remote viewing applications, books, journals, publications, related websites, publicity and media, remote viewing services. | ||
| Now, that's just one little section of your website. | ||
| So you just got this up. | ||
| It's pretty comprehensive, eh? | ||
| Yeah, there's still some areas that are under construction, but the area on examples, there are some simulated intelligence examples there that are very good. | ||
| And of course, there's information on my books and my personal bio and business bio and that sort of thing. | ||
| Are there really things that you know that if you were to tell, you'd end up in jail? | ||
| Well, simply because I signed agreements and I gave my word that there were certain things I wouldn't disclose, I won't. | ||
| There are a lot of things that are very sensitive, and part of their sensitivity deals with our ability to know them. | ||
| And so just exposing them would expose the ability to collect information there. | ||
| But see, the implication there is, Joe, clearly the implication is that it's still going on. | ||
| Well, no, not necessarily. | ||
| That's what it sounded like to me. | ||
| Well, you know, if you're successful at doing something in defense of the nation, you certainly don't want anyone to know that you're having that degree of success. | ||
| If your successes in the past were dependent upon additional methodologies that were used, you don't want to show that connection. | ||
| One of the things I do want to say, I don't want to leave the listeners with the opinion that I was the only remote viewer. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I want to say that within the time period of the project, there were probably a little over two dozen viewers, and there were many viewers equally as good as I ever was or am. | ||
| Oh, actually, I'm glad you brought this up. | ||
| Of course there are. | ||
| I've interviewed many of them. | ||
| That project could not have existed based on just the efforts of a single individual in any case. | ||
| It was always a team effort, and everyone played an equal role in terms of their degree of involvement and importance and their support. | ||
| And many, many people essentially laid their careers on the line and suffered as a result of that. | ||
| And I think the listeners just need to know that. | ||
| Having said all that, I've got a very serious question for you. | ||
| I really, really love the subject of remote viewing, and I have therefore interviewed many remote viewers. | ||
| There is a terrible, terrible schism in what once was a very tight community. | ||
| There have been some real problems that have developed between people who were in that program since the ending, the official ending anyway, of that program. | ||
| There's a lot of animosity. | ||
| How come? | ||
| Well, I think a lot of it is not really generated between the actual people involved. | ||
| I think it's generated by a lot of misconceptions by the media. | ||
| And a lot of what the media has put into print or said essentially has sensationalized some of the statements and taken them out of context that people might have said. | ||
| And as a result, there's a lot of things that are believed to be true that aren't. | ||
| As an example, there's a belief that at some point I made a statement that remote viewing, remote viewers, not everyone can be a remote viewer, not everyone is psychic. | ||
| And that is exactly 180 degrees out of kilt from what I actually said. | ||
| What I actually said was that there is evidence in the lab that every human being that's ever walked through our door displays some capacity of being psychic. | ||
| Yeah, how does that one get turned around? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think a lot of people ask questions, but they never listen. | ||
| And what they do listen to, they listen to within the context of how they would like to hear it sound. | ||
| Well, I know that's true. | ||
| So that's happened with me quite frequently, and I know that it's happened with others. | ||
| And when you don't have direct contact with some of the people and you're not able to, you know, answer those questions directly, a lot gets assumed, and it's really unfortunate. | ||
| There were in the military very specific protocols. | ||
| Some remote viewers have strayed from or modified those protocols. | ||
| In your view, is that a reasonable thing to be doing or does it dilute what accuracy was obtained with those very strict protocols? | ||
| Well, the way I'd like to answer that is that absolutely if the protocols which actually lend the scientific truth or validity to remote viewing, if those are straight from, that absolutely does dilute whether or not it's remote viewing. | ||
| However, having said that, you have to understand that there are a whole lot of different methodologies that are being used that operate within that protocol. | ||
| Are there any that you're aware of that have been developed or modified that are superior in results to What was done in the military? | ||
| I don't know of any specific any specific methodology that's superior over another. | ||
| I do know that some will probably be a little bit more consistent than others. | ||
| They all pretty much produce the same accuracy level when you're using a well-experienced or well-selected remote viewer. | ||
| But they're all pretty much the same. | ||
| It's dependent upon the individual and simply what they like to do. | ||
| Everybody brings their own natural talent to it. | ||
| And since everyone's psychic, we have a tendency to go with what works for us. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on there with Joe McGonagall. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Hi, Art. | ||
| Calling from Seattle, listening to you on COVID 1000. | ||
| The big one up there, yes. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Mr. McGonagall, I wanted to ask you, I read a book about the Montauk Project. | ||
| Are you familiar with that? | ||
| Yes, I am. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And I read a section of it where they did experiments to affect weather changes. | ||
| And also they did experiments on sound frequency to see how it affected people and animals. | ||
| And also in the book, it said they also did experiments in time travel. | ||
| And the reason the Long Island location was closed down was due to an entity coming through during one of the time travel experiments that created havoc and they couldn't get rid of. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's quite a story. | ||
| Joe, do you know anything about all that? | ||
| Well, one of the things I like to do, Art, is when I read something, I like to check it out. | ||
| And I read a number of things about the Montauk project, and what was implied is that many of the things that were used or developed in those projects still exist in terms of towers and buildings and tunnels and all that sort of thing. | ||
| So I actually personally went to Montauk and looked for those things, and none of them exist. | ||
| So I have a little trouble buying some of the other things that were said as a result. | ||
| I think it's quite possible that there have been experiments done with regard to sound and the effects of sound on people or animals. | ||
| There's some literature that supports that. | ||
| I believe also that there is probably a considerable amount of research in stuff that was done with regard to the earlier foundations of radar towards the end of the Second World War, mid-to-end of the Second World War out of Long-Tauk. | ||
| But beyond that, I haven't found much evidence for anything else. | ||
| Implication being that there was some at least nugget of truth to the Philadelphia experiment? | ||
| You know, the Philadelphia experiment's a really interesting thing. | ||
| In reality, what they actually did is they did build some very large degausers in the dock areas there during the war because metal ships riding through the water build up electrostatic charges and make them very vulnerable to electromagnetic mines. | ||
| And so they would degause these ships. | ||
| And we now know that certain kinds of electromagnetic wavefronts hitting the temporal lobes of the brain create a sense of having an entity standing next to you or some very bizarre effects. | ||
| And I can conclude from that that probably a lot of the things that have been said about the Philadelphia experiment might be true in the minds of people who were degaused. | ||
| It's also quite possible that in attempts to build something that would essentially wipe out a radar system, they could conceivably have built a very large unshielded microwave tube on the deck of one of those ships and cooked a few people. | ||
| I mean, you know, nothing's beyond, you know, the possibility. | ||
| So I think out of that sort of collage of things, you could hypothesize a number of things, and some of that being what's been written about the Philadelphia experiment. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Wild Cardline, you're on the air with Joe McDonagle. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi, this is Dan in Virginia. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Joe, have you had any contact with either spiritual entities or either ETs during your remote viewing? | ||
| Oh, very, very good question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is a good question, Art. | ||
| I personally have had a couple experiences where I had a sense that I was either visited by or in the presence of some form of entity. | ||
| The difficulty is determining what exactly that is. | ||
| I'm not one to jump to a conclusion that it's alien simply because it doesn't look like me. | ||
| I try to hold an open mind in that regard. | ||
| So I suggest that it might be alien, but it might also be time traveler. | ||
| It could also be a construct of my own mind in some way. | ||
| So I'm not exactly sure what it was or where it came from, but I do know that there was a reason, based on the information that was exchanged, there's a reason to believe that there's some validity to that entity. | ||
| If, Joe, somebody were to remote view you, would you be aware of that fact? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| And again, I go back to the 25 years of research that's been done in the lab. | ||
| There's quite a bit of evidence that in some cases you can display the ability to determine that something's been remote viewed at a specific time or place. | ||
| And that would include individuals. | ||
| But that happens very spontaneously. | ||
| The last person that you ever want to ask for any decision with regard to remote viewing is the remote viewer. | ||
| Even while they're in the act of remote viewing, they're generally incapable of making decisions that are going to be accurate. | ||
| Especially the yes-no Kind of decision. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on air with Joe McGonico. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Good evening, Art. | ||
| Good evening, Joe. | ||
| It's an honor to speak with you. | ||
| This is Eric and Off from Texas listening to you on KJFK 989FM. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Joe, with regard to a miniature conversation that you and Art had earlier regarding the effects of weather and the weather experiments that Art has just completed, it would seem to me that if you compare that to the surgical instrument, I mean, both would take a heck of a lot of physical or what would seem kind of sign-compliant or compliant to the electromagnetic field, an incredible amount of energy in order to accomplish either one of those. | ||
| But yet you said it was possible that, say like for the weather experiments, that people could subconsciously or physically affect the weather. | ||
| How would that be done? | ||
| Can you clarify that? | ||
| Well, I even suggested that it was equally possible that I had, in effect, psychically viewed something that would occur and therefore announced that particular experiment. | ||
| I'd like to go back to that Russian experiment and sort of give that as an explanation for what I mean. | ||
| The Russians did a very interesting experiment. | ||
| They took 24 mice and tattooed them with numbers 1 through 24. | ||
| And then they had a participant who was not going to be in their experiment select out which would be control mice and which 12 would be target mice. | ||
| And they alone knew that. | ||
| They kept the information and of course they took the mice and put them all in a cage together. | ||
| And then they had a psychic 3,000 kilometers away target them to try to raise the aggression level in the targeted mice. | ||
| At the end of six months they killed all the mice and analyzed the chemicals in their brain and were able to sort the 12 mice that were aggressive, that were preselected as aggressive, into one column that was accurate. | ||
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So are you saying that that would be more of a telepathic or even psychokinetic influence? | |
| Well their assumption was that it was psychokinetic, but in reality it may have been that the person who made the selection of the two groups at the very beginning, knowing what the outcome needed to be, made the appropriate selection of the two groups. | ||
| You're a very, very careful man. | ||
| Hold on, Joe. | ||
| We're at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| We'll do another segment. | ||
| Joe McDonagle is my guest. | ||
| He's our nation's first remote viewer. | ||
| there were others. | ||
| All right, here we go again. | ||
| Once again, back to Joe McDonagle. | ||
| Joe, you've got several books out. | ||
| Is there any that you would like to particularly plug right now? | ||
| The new book, of course, which will probably be in bookstores the first week of December, The Ultimate Time Machine, is the new one. | ||
| Mind Trek, of course, is a good primer for remote viewing if people would really like to know something about how I integrated a lot of what I learned about remote viewing. | ||
| You've had four major heart attacks. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Two open heart surgeries. | ||
| And you had a near-death experience as well. | ||
| Was that during one of them? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That was back in 1970 while I was overseas. | ||
| Describe it. | ||
| In other words, did you actually clinically cease? | ||
| What actually happened is I started feeling badly. | ||
| I ordered a before-dinner drink at a guest house in Austria. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I took a few steps and started feeling very badly. | ||
| And I excused myself from the restaurant so I wouldn't be ill in front of anyone. | ||
| And when I hit the door, I collapsed on the sidewalk and went into convulsions. | ||
| I swallowed my tongue. | ||
| And of course, you can't breathe when that happens. | ||
| And so I ceased breathing after about, I guess, five to six minutes. | ||
| My heart stopped. | ||
| And I was delivered to the local hospital in Germany, DOA. | ||
| DOA? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What happened to you during that time? | ||
| It was a very classic near-death experience. | ||
| I watched everything from outside of my body. | ||
| I watched them load me into a car and take me across the border to this hospital. | ||
| And I watched them cut the clothing off my body in the emergency room and start sticking needles in me. | ||
| And I became sort of bored by that. | ||
| By then, I had figured out that I was dead or dying. | ||
| And I started wondering what was going to happen next and found myself falling backwards through a tunnel. | ||
| At some point, I felt something warm on the back of my neck, or what I perceived to be on the back of my neck. | ||
| And I turned around to see what it was and was enveloped by a white light, which at the time I perceived to be God. | ||
| I then actually did go over every event in my life up to that point and was told that I couldn't die. | ||
| I had to come back. | ||
| I, of course, argued about that and had very little control over it. | ||
| Suddenly sat up in a bed. | ||
| I was in the hospital and I had been comatose for some hours or days. | ||
| And I began telling everybody in broken German and English about white lights and God and you can't die and that sort of thing. | ||
| I wound up in a rest home as a result. | ||
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What kind of a reaction did you get? | |
| It was a very negative one. | ||
| They put me in a private rest home in Munich and did brain studies to determine how much damage I had suffered as a result of the lack of oxygen to my brain. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I immediately started trying to act normal, and they let me out after about 10 days. | ||
| You realized, I guess, if you didn't let up, they'd probably have you in a jacket in a quiet place with rubber walls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Back then, you know, this was unheard of. | ||
| Nobody ever discussed this sort of thing. | ||
| They immediately thought that I had suffered irreparable brain damage. | ||
| Is your fear of death gone? | ||
| It went away during that event, and I've not had it since. | ||
| Well, you know, I'd love to experiment with that. | ||
| There are people, Joe, I don't know if you're aware of it or not, who are doing experiments, in fact I'm waiting for the results now, with possibly a dangerous drug, which I'm not going to mention. | ||
| We call it drug X. But two people with doctorates who are using a specific drug to induce NDEs. | ||
| Does that concept give you a willys? | ||
| Actually, no. | ||
| Historically speaking, the Greeks were known to use some very exotic poisons to take people to the level of an NDE. | ||
| It had a profound effect on some of their philosophies, as a matter of fact. | ||
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interesting as well. | |
| And now, back to the best of Art Bell. | ||
| First time Caller Line, you're on the air with Joe McDonagall. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi, this is Dan. | |
| I love your show. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm in Canada. | |
| Canada, okay. | ||
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I was actually trained by one of the people that came out of Joe's program about four years ago on remote viewing. | |
| And Joe mentioned something a couple of years back that I'd just like to ask him about, and that had to do with the Russians' experiments. | ||
| And I'd heard Joe had a bypass operation, at least one, possibly more. | ||
| They were actually trying to do what I would call more remote influencing or remote assassinations, like to try and stop people's hearts. | ||
| And there are apparently people in the program that were having coronaries in mid-session. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Is that a true story? | ||
| Are there people who actually died while having sessions? | ||
| Actually, no. | ||
| That's a myth. | ||
| There was, in fact, one individual who was not working at the time, who had come by the office and was, in fact, drinking a cup of coffee and was, as a result of another job, under a great deal of stress. | ||
| And he did have a massocoronary and subsequently died. | ||
| But that was not in relationship in any way to any kind of a remote viewing. | ||
| You know, I think the proof's kind of in the pudding. | ||
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I'm still here. | |
| My heart condition is pretty much genetic, and I've survived so far. | ||
| So if their targeting mechanisms, you know, are to induce heart attacks and death, they're not doing a very good job of it. | ||
| There you are, caller. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| So you don't consider there to be any inherent danger at all? | ||
| Well, no, I don't want to be misconstrued. | ||
| There is an inherent danger, and I think it comes from the person themselves. | ||
| If, as an example, you become involved in the paranormal or become involved in remote viewing and you cannot integrate what you're experiencing into your belief structure. | ||
| In other words, it runs counter your actual belief structure on how things work or your theologic background as an example, what you will actually do is create an illness in order not to participate. | ||
| I've actually seen that happen with people where they really did not want to alter their belief structure and as a result they made themselves sick. | ||
| Now, if you pay attention, you quit and go away and you get healthy again. | ||
| If you don't pay attention, the degree of sickness increases until you do. | ||
| So you could kill yourself. | ||
| You could essentially kill yourself, exactly. | ||
| I suspect that that's not just a predominant thing within the paranormal research area, but it's probably predominant throughout life. | ||
| People actually find themselves in jobs or situations that they're not comfortable in, and they become so dis-eased with it that they actually die. | ||
| They decide to die. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There are many, many cases, of course, of people who, once their mate is gone, make a conscious, literally a conscious decision to die. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Perfect example, Art. | ||
| Perfect example. | ||
| Wildcard Line, you're on the Old Joe McGonagall. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi, Michael in California. | |
| Hi, Michael. | ||
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Hi. | |
| That great person, Napente, I believe is what you might have been referring to. | ||
| That was just a comment. | ||
| And it seems perhaps that it's difficult to squeeze certain things into higher consciousness-provoking situations like psychedelics or remote viewing where it can't be used negatively because that's a condition of that dimension in which it works. | ||
| Well, let's ask about that. | ||
| Joe, I like to be brutally honest with people, and I don't know that I believe that. | ||
| In other words, remote viewing is a talent, a natural ability, a developed ability, a sharpened ability. | ||
| And I think, like most forces, that if I had to guess, I'd say it could be used for good or what some might consider a negative attention. | ||
| All the evidence points to the fact that whether you consider something good or evil has no effect whatsoever on the ability to remote view. | ||
| So conceivably someone who has a lot of intention or who is very destructive by nature can be as effective a remote viewer as someone who is not, who is more inclined to the positive or constructive. | ||
| I think what's important to understand is that remote viewing is a tool, just like eyesight or smell or taste or anything else, and that we all use our capabilities, our talents, or our tools in an either destructive or constructive way, and that's pretty much up to the individual. | ||
| Yeah, that's an answer I can sure buy into. | ||
| Easy to the Rockies. | ||
| You're on there with Joe McGonagall. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yes, I'm calling from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. | ||
| Pittsburgh, yes, sir. | ||
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Yes, and I had one question. | |
| In all paranormal research, in parapsychology, psychic phenomena, UFO research, etc., over the years I've known some pretty good scientists who've been interested in this work. | ||
| And they all find tremendous opposition, not because of the work, but even if they make a suggestion or set up plans to do research, there is tremendous opposition from their fellow scientists and from other people just to prevent the work from even being discussed or done. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Well, there's a lot of reasons. | ||
| Primarily, I think if, in fact, the paranormal, our psychic functioning, is occurring because of a difference in our construct and how reality operates, then we of course are faced with having to change all of our opinions of reality or how reality operates. | ||
| That can be very threatening to a lot of the baseline premises supporting other science. | ||
| The other problem involves more of a personal area in that many scientists are either they come in one of two ilks. | ||
| One is they're very wedded to some theologic idea or they're very non-wedded to a theologic idea. | ||
| In other words, they're either atheists or they're firm believers in a power that moves things. | ||
| So in either case, discovering or underscoring an ability that tends to solidify the spiritual side of man or exists within a spiritual nature in man is a very threatening thing. | ||
| And I think that this is where a lot of that comes from. | ||
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Okay, well, thank you very much. | |
| All right. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joe McGonagall. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi. | ||
| My question is, when I am projecting, I have a problem with being paralyzed when I'm coming back. | ||
| I was wondering if you Are you talking about an OBE? | ||
| Yeah, like an out-of-body experience. | ||
| Or my whole body and mind goes to where I'm looking. | ||
| And when I'm like in a sleep and I become paralyzed, and the more I fight it, it's like the more I become paralyzed. | ||
| And I was wondering if he has the same problem. | ||
| Actually, that's really easy to answer. | ||
| In part of the prelude to actual sleep or to the processes of the body going to sleep, there is a disconnect that occurs where you mentally are wide awake and functioning, but you're disconnected in a sense physically from the rest of your body. | ||
| And it translates into a form of paralysis where you think you'd like to move your arm, but it won't move and that sort of thing. | ||
| And that's a very normal occurrence, and it occurs with everyone who can retain consciousness long enough as they're going to sleep or retain consciousness early enough when they're waking up to notice. | ||
| Joe, we've done extensive talking on this program about out-of-body experiences. | ||
| The Monroe Institute and on and on and on and on. | ||
| A lot of guests on the subject. | ||
| I've got kind of a funny story. | ||
| For a few years now, as we've discussed all of this, I've come to that state where I've been paralyzed, even heard the buzzing, and frankly, I'm such a control freak that it made me nauseated, and I yanked myself out of it every single time. | ||
| I could no more let that go than the man in the moon. | ||
| I can't lose that kind of control. | ||
| And so I've never been able to allow myself to go from that point and actually have an OBE. | ||
| But I was recently in Paris, Joe, and I was lying in bed with my wife, and without any warning, without any paralysis, without any precursor of any sort, I shot up at an indescribable velocity out of my body and above the city of Paris in some kind of space. | ||
| All I've been able to do is describe it as the greatest feeling of ecstasy that I have ever felt. | ||
| So great there are not words to describe it. | ||
| It shocked me so badly, I snapped right back and I woke my wife up and I started telling her about it. | ||
| And it's never happened before. | ||
| I can't say it won't ever happen again, but it's nothing I willed to occur, knew was occurring, or had any warning about. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| Now I was completely out of my current. | ||
| I do a radio show every day. | ||
| Very structured life. | ||
| I was on vacation in Paris. | ||
| Total change. | ||
| That's when it happened. | ||
| Well, in fact, probably 90% of the OBEs are spontaneous with people. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In your case, I would suggest that because you were in a different place and because you were probably somewhat tired, maybe from traveling or maybe from jet lag or maybe just from base activities or all of these stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You were probably not in as much control as you are normally. | ||
| I imagine doing the radio show, you're very structured about your time. | ||
| And so not being within that scenario, you had let go of that control with regard to time. | ||
| All I can say is this. | ||
| You know, I know what a dream is. | ||
| I've had them all my life, and I've loved many and hated many flying dreams. | ||
| But always when I awake and I say, man, cool dream. | ||
| I'm absolutely aware. | ||
| I'm saying all this so that the people understand that what I had was no dream. | ||
| What I had was utterly, completely different than any dream I've had in my whole life. | ||
| It was not a dream. | ||
| Something real happened to me. | ||
| That's precisely the way you can tell when someone has honestly had an OBE versus a lucid dream or something that's very similar. | ||
| There is no other context. | ||
| It is most definitely an OBE, and it's not like any dream that anyone could ever have. | ||
| When somebody has an event like that, are they in the same realm that remote viewers use to discern the information they discern? | ||
| Generally speaking, I would say no. | ||
| However, there are people who could be considered remote viewers who are in that realm simply because they're having their OBE within the confines of a remote viewing protocol. | ||
| In other words, if whatever methodology you're using is happening within a remote viewing protocol, then you could consider it remote viewing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen, we're at the end of the hour, and I know that I should probably let you rest. | ||
| I will, however, offer you one more hour if you like it. | ||
| I've got it. | ||
| Okay, we can do it. | ||
| Oh, excellent. | ||
| The phones are going, of course, off the hook. | ||
| So stay right where you are, and we'll be right back. | ||
| Joe McDonough is my guest. | ||
| Remote viewer number 001 in the government's program. | ||
| The one you may have seen exposed on the microphone. | ||
| So we're dealing here with a heavyweight. | ||
| And if you have questions for him, we'd just love to hear them. | ||
| I'm Mark Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast. | ||
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| And now back to the best of Art Bell. | ||
| It was about a year and a half ago that Linda Moulton Howe, well, actually, that I began getting reports of frogs that were dying. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| We've been talking about that for a year and a half. | ||
| Linda Moulton Howe has done endless reports on it. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of people consistently called me and said, what a bunch of BS. | ||
| Frogs are not dying. | ||
| There are very limited deformities. | ||
| They come from some sort of snake something or another. | ||
| There have been all kinds of things said about it. | ||
| But let me tell you, here is a Reuters news story. | ||
| None other than our own federal government. | ||
| An environmental group and a children's TV show have joined forces to figure out what the hell is going on with the frogs. | ||
| Our Interior Secretary, Bruce Babbitt, said, numerous studies show that frogs are dying in alarming numbers. | ||
| Others are turning up with gross deformities. | ||
| The real questions are why now and why is this happening in so many places around the world? | ||
| That's from Babbitt, folks. | ||
| I said exactly the same thing a year and a half ago. | ||
| The fact that it was occurring in Tokyo, in Africa, in Europe, here in North America, that we should be watching very carefully because something's going on. | ||
| And a year and a half later, finally, an acknowledgement from our own government, which leads me to the following with you, Joe. | ||
| We've got some real environmental problems, some really serious problems. | ||
| We've got chunks of the Antarctic breaking off. | ||
| We've got apparent warming going on, controversial, political, but it definitely seems to be occurring because known ice fields are in specific retreat that they can measure. | ||
| We've got some ozone problems. | ||
| We've got a lot of problems, Joe. | ||
| And I wonder if you know anything about where that's leading. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| We do have a lot of problems, and I think we're guilty for causing quite a few of them. | ||
| Certainly with regard to atomic weapon testing and whatnot, over the last 50 years, we've spread enough contagion around the planet that it's having an effect. | ||
| In other words, I think we've thoroughly crapped our nest, and now we're paying for it. | ||
| With regard to a lot of these things, however, they could also be major cyclic changes that the world or the planet goes through on a normal basis. | ||
| And because we're in a period of time when we do have such intricate communication ability and we can exchange information so readily, we may be now noticing them for the first time. | ||
| But is there anything in remote viewing itself, in looking at the future, that would suggest which is the case? | ||
| Oh, yeah, certainly. | ||
| Regardless of whether you believe it's cyclic or not, in my book, The Ultimate Time Machine, I'm predicting a period of time in the next certainly within the next 75 years, that we're going to see significant sea level changes along the coast, which means during full moons there's going to be water in a lot of people's basements. | ||
| I don't think that that'll be a disaster in terms of it all happening overnight, but it will certainly affect us economically. | ||
| You know, there'll probably be three to four trillion dollars in changes necessary to deal with it. | ||
| Yeah, it's very hard to look, of course, at the long term because we haven't even been monitoring the weather for that long. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it would seem as though cyclical or permanent change, no matter which way you look at it, there is a definite change underway right now. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I don't think there's a question or doubt about that, particularly with significant weather pattern changes across certainly North America and Europe. | ||
| The government itself warned that we are about to have the worst winter, this coming winter, the worst winter we've had in 40 to 50 years. | ||
| And I don't know on what basis they make that prediction, but it's out there. | ||
| That'll be an interesting winter, then. | ||
| I kind of think it's exciting, actually, to be living in a period of time when so many significant things could be happening. | ||
| It certainly keeps life from being dull. | ||
| That it does, the old Chinese Chris. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Joe McGonagall. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Good evening, Art. | ||
| Joe, pleasure to speak with you both. | ||
| Interesting program. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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I have a couple questions if Joe cares to address them. | |
| One, has he ever remote viewed the green fireballs that have been a topic of discussion this evening? | ||
| Two, would he care to address the tactical nukes track that he talked about earlier? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| One at a time then. | ||
| The green fireballs, these incredible things, things generally traversing our atmosphere. | ||
| UFOs, have you remote viewed? | ||
| Actually, in terms of the green fireballs, I of course haven't since that's a recent phenomenon. | ||
| I don't generally select my own targets. | ||
| They have to be delivered to me blind. | ||
| The subject of UFOs. | ||
| But as far as UFOs, yeah, I have at least accidentally viewed UFOs in conjunction with other targets on a few occasions. | ||
| My sense of it is that UFOs are definitely vehicles and that they're not from here, whatever that means. | ||
| I'm not thoroughly convinced personally yet that they're alien-derived. | ||
| They may in fact be time machines or could be intra-dimensional vehicles of some kind. | ||
| I just haven't got enough information to make that decision yet, my own mind. | ||
| But they're very definitely hardened vehicles and have a profound physical effect on anyone that's near them. | ||
| I suspect that they're probably most visible to us when they're either entering or leaving our reality and that once they're here, they're not perceivable. | ||
| In other words, they have some form of shielding or they're only here temporarily, that sort of thing. | ||
| You're such a careful guy as we go through the interview in so many areas, and then suddenly you just blow me away. | ||
| And again, these are just my personal opinions. | ||
| I, you know, can only say that that's been my experience. | ||
| One political question that I said I was going to ask, and I'm going to ask, our president seems to be in big trouble right now. | ||
| Do you ever do political targeting? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| As a matter of fact, the way I'd like to answer that, my wife told me two years ago when he was elected this second time to office, she said that she came in and announced that it was probably going to not work. | ||
| And I said, what do you mean? | ||
| And she said, well, every president that's ever been voted into office during a void of course moon has never fulfilled the obligation. | ||
| So she predicted two years ago that he would not finish out his term. | ||
| The exact same thing that a man named Sean David Morton said. | ||
| Exact same thing. | ||
| He's a frequent guest on my program and eerily right about almost everything he said, and that's one of the things he said. | ||
| Void, of course, moot. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I don't see politically how he could finish out his term under the kinds of pressures he's being put under. | ||
| I would like to say personally, however, that I would like to have four hours with Starr sitting at a table and my interrogating him for him to properly put all this into perspective. | ||
| I think that it's unconscionable the way they've been treating the office of the president, and I'm not in any way acknowledging or saying that I'm not going to be able to do that. | ||
| You're not going to do that, obviously. | ||
| I feel exactly the same way. | ||
| And if you're able, I always get in trouble for this, and I really don't care, but if you separate his personal conduct from his job conduct, which I think a lot of Americans are able to do, I'm able to do it, then as a president, we've had worse. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| And I'll go even one further than that. | ||
| The very people that are condemning him for his personal conduct, part of their personal conduct is to support that office of the presidency as far as how it represents the American public and the American country. | ||
| And they're doing a great disservice in the way that they're presenting that right now in a public sense. | ||
| Well, I was prepared. | ||
| I was scared to death of the guy before he became president. | ||
| I mean, I really was not looking forward to the Clinton presidency. | ||
| So I did a turnaround watching what he's been doing, not what he's been saying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I did not vote for him. | ||
| I did not like him as a candidate for presidency. | ||
| However, I have to say that based on what's occurred over the past number of years, that at least he's kept it on a course that's been a positive one. | ||
| But you don't think he'll make it? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| At the present time, I don't think he will. | ||
| I think that there's just too much stacked against him, and there's too many people with the kind of power to see that through. | ||
| And it's unfortunate, but I think that the prediction of the void of course moon is going to hold true. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Joe McGonagall and Art Bell are here. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| Hello, Wild Card Line. | ||
| Yes? | ||
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Yes, hello. | |
| This is Joe from Philadelphia. | ||
| Hello, Joe. | ||
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Okay, Art and Joe, good morning to you all. | |
| Right now, I'm looking at a poster that my wife has given to me, and it sits above my desk at work, and it says, have no fear of what the future holds, for God holds the future. | ||
| Relating to your events that you conduct with yourself and seeing into the future, do you feel as though we are reaching in the areas that are godlike in this? | ||
| Can we be certain that we are not encroaching on the higher beings event calendar? | ||
| Well, interesting way to put it. | ||
| Yeah, I think one of the important things to remember here is that one of the reasons that make us unique, or one of the things that make us unique as beings within this reality is the fact that we are born with free will. | ||
| And part of what makes our theologic beliefs important in that respect is our ability to choose and think about God and the Creator in our own way and to bring whatever form of worship we want to that. | ||
| I think in the case of free will, that means that it's up to us to do what we believe is the positive or constructive thing that it's meant to be. | ||
| And so we bring a lot of activity or a lot of action to that. | ||
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Okay, with that thought in mind, the positive thing that we could do, on earth we have what we would consider as very evil people. | |
| An example would be a Saddam Hussein. | ||
| And if we have the ability to know where he's going to be and what he's going to do, wouldn't it be beneficial to mankind to more or less exterminate or eliminate somebody like him? | ||
| Well, the problem you run into when you start considering these kinds of things is you have to take into consideration the stability that he might bring. | ||
| As bad as the context might be that it's brought in, he does bring a relative degree of stability to that region and may in fact be the buffer that is preventing an all-out war for power in the northern area of Iraq at the moment. | ||
| Certainly if he was to be eliminated, there may not be a strong enough person to take his place, which could result in an invasion of Iraq by some other country and all-out war in the Middle East, from which tens of millions of people would suffer severely. | ||
| So those decisions are really hard to make. | ||
| And I, for one, don't like making a decision about the life or death of another human being in that regard. | ||
| I would much rather try to work with what's available and try to make things positive that way. | ||
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But if he would have this ability or this knowledge, this capability that is available to you or to other people, don't you think that he would use it in an adverse effect on mankind as he has done with any weapons that he has available to him? | |
| I'm sure he would because he's basically a nasty person. | ||
| I mean, he's a very negative, very destructive kind of individual, and he certainly has only one motive in mind, that's his own. | ||
| However, there are a lot of people that live on the planet that are just like him that have no power simply because we don't give that power to them. | ||
| And so over time, I think we're diluting his power base, and he could have whatever access to whatever weapon system he'd like. | ||
| He just will simply lose his power base altogether and eventually go away. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on there with Joe McGonagall. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Hello there. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Hi, this is Ron from the Philadelphia area. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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1210 a.m. radio? | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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First of all, I wanted to ask Joe, where do they get the target coordinate numbers from? | |
| Well, this, again, there's a lot of myth about coordinates. | ||
| Way back in the late 70s, early 80s, they used coordinates simply because it was a cheap method of getting someone to a target versus using an outbounder. | ||
| And those coordinates were actually map coordinates. | ||
| An outbounder? | ||
| I don't know what that is. | ||
| An outbounder was originally in the original use of remote viewing, they would actually send a human being to the target and then target that human being, thinking that another human being had to be present in order to pass the information, possibly. | ||
| I guess they found out that was not so. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| And the way they found that out was using coordinates. | ||
| But using coordinates, we were attacked very severely for that. | ||
| I was accused of having an eidetic memory and having memorized all the important coordinate systems in the world. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Very important. | ||
| We're coming right back to it as we Round the half-hour mark. | ||
| I'm Mark Bell. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM with Joe McGonagall. | ||
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When it's alright and it's coming home, we gotta get right back to where we started from. | |
| Love is good. | ||
| Love is good. | ||
| We gotta get right back to where we started from. | ||
| When you remember that day, that sunny day, You won't hate my way. | ||
| I tell no one hate your way. | ||
| Make the long way. | ||
| You never see what you wanna see. | ||
| Never blame through the gallery. | ||
| You make the long way. | ||
| Take a long time. | ||
| When you're up one day, you're so unbelievable. | ||
| Oh, unforgettable. | ||
| I bet you don't do. | ||
| But then you want things to think, you don't think the tragedy. | ||
| Oh, the family. | ||
| There is no way out. | ||
| To talk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA. | ||
| Then, 800-893-0903. | ||
| If you're a first-time drummer, call Art at 702-727-1222. | ||
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| Call ART at 1-800-618-8255. | ||
| Or call ART on the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you something that should have been remote viewed. | ||
| And there is a very strange story going on in my little town of Perop. | ||
| Very strange indeed. | ||
| Let me just read you what the Daily Telegraph had to say, all right? | ||
| Los Angeles. | ||
| Police were investigating the death of a former Las Vegas casino boss after three men were arrested in the desert, digging up a vault containing, check this out, folks, $26 million worth of silver belonging to him. | ||
| He's Ted Binion, who until very recently owned Binion's horseshoe, the site of the annual World Series of poker. | ||
| He was found dead at his home in what they think might be an accidental drug overdose, but they don't know. | ||
| Police are questioning his girlfriend. | ||
| Binion's treasure, and this is going to blow your mind, was in a reinforced concrete vault 4.5 meters below ground, right here in the middle of town next to a grocery store in Perump. | ||
| $26 million worth of silver. | ||
| It came right up out of the ground in the middle of Perump the other day. | ||
| What can I say, folks? | ||
| I live in a very, very strange place. | ||
| This is the end of Sag 1. | ||
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Please leave the cassette exactly where it is, flip it over, and begin again. | |
| The End | ||
| From the Kingdom of Nigh, coast to coast AM continues with Art Bell. | ||
| I'm curious. | ||
| I'm very curious. | ||
| Would it be possible? | ||
| I mean, here they were, darndesting, my little desert town, and they were digging up a vault the other day with $26 million worth of silver in it. | ||
| That's a true story. | ||
| I mean, there was right next to the grocery store. | ||
| Is there any application at all in, Joe, in looking for, trying to remote view treasure? | ||
| There is. | ||
| However, in this case, I probably would have used a magnometer. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I certainly lit that machine up in a hurry, but you need a reasonable reason for looking somewhere, and then of course you can use remote viewing. | ||
| One of the problems you run into is being very, very specific about the location. | ||
| Obviously, if something is buried three to four meters in the ground, that entails a lot of digging, or at least gaining some entry to it. | ||
| I think more to the point is that you would need some place of origin to start, you know, some idea about a treasure being in a certain location in order to try to apply remote viewing. | ||
| I understand that originally you would send somebody to the location to be viewed, but I have never understood the process by which a control generates a random set of numbers that are a target that the remote viewer goes after. | ||
| I have always imagined the only thing that can be occurring here is a transference from the control to the remote viewer by some mental means of what the target is. | ||
| Otherwise, what process is occurring? | ||
| What actually happened very early on in the project when we went from the actual person going to the target to physical map locations and using map coordinates, for obvious reasons that wasn't going to work for skeptics. | ||
| So we started putting those coordinates into sealed envelopes. | ||
| The difficulty we ran into then is in dealing with subjects who are new to remote viewing, it's a much larger leap from being able to remote view something that's identified by blank envelope than identifying, being identified by some numerical system that at least is a proxy for the target. | ||
| Yes, but a proxy. | ||
| Oh, you mean a specific proxy for the target, like longitude and latitude? | ||
| Right, only in this case you invent a set of numbers or letters. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's where I fall off the cliff with this. | ||
| In other words, the only thing that can be occurring once you've gone to random is a transference. | ||
| Actually, none of that. | ||
| What the actual targeting mechanism is, at least what we believe it is, is intent. | ||
| It's what everyone has agreed to as the intent of the outcome. | ||
| That gets you to the target. | ||
| Now, having said that, I need to go back and say that you can't take what I just said and apply it within a training scenario. | ||
| Because when you're dealing with someone you're trying to convince, can target something with basically just intent. | ||
| That's a piecemeal situation. | ||
| You have to lock them to that belief. | ||
| So you start out by targeting them on targets that have at least a proxy targeting mechanism, which would be a set of coordinates, whether they're invented or otherwise. | ||
| Remarkable. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| First time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Hi, my name's Tom, San Diego area. | |
| Hi, Tom. | ||
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Hey, Joe, I wanted to ask you, have you or any of your team ever done any remote viewing and discovery of any catastrophic solar flares hitting the Earth, for instance, in April of 99? | |
| All right, well, that's a good question because we've been having an unusual, strange amount of solar activity. | ||
| Some pretty wild stuff. | ||
| We have solar cycles. | ||
| They're normal. | ||
| Some of what's occurring seems abynormal. | ||
| One of the things that is really nice about living on the Earth instead of some other planet is that we do have a nice atmosphere that protects us from that sort of thing. | ||
| There certainly is some degree of effect from some of the bursts of electromagnetics that are involved in a solar flare. | ||
| They're most readily noticeable within certain frequencies of radio communication or broadcast communication. | ||
| I don't know of any other effect that I would project that I know of, at least in terms of the past or the present or the future, that would indicate any kind of a dire outcome from a solar flare. | ||
| Okay, there are Israeli scientists now who believe the dinosaurs were not, in fact, killed by what's known as a KT event, but rather by radiation, sudden immense amounts of radiation. | ||
| And they're looking very seriously into that. | ||
| You know, that's a distinct possibility. | ||
| But that would be sort of the, you know, I like to look at this as, well, that's sort of the negative side of the same coin. | ||
| In looking at a positive side of that coin, you might say that one of the reasons why mankind evolved faster and better than some of the other species that we coexisted with is because the intense radiation from one of those flares might have caused a genetic change in our brains makeup that caused us to grow additional cells. | ||
| Or they may have died, so we might be here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, you know, there's always, I always try to look for the constructive first and then deal with the negative later. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| Wildguard Line, you're on the air with Joe McGonagall. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Oh, hi. | ||
| Joe. | ||
| I was wondering if you ever remote-viewed who built the pyramids. | ||
| And then, like, there's other structures, these NASCAR lines in Peru and these temples in Cambodia. | ||
| They all involve like heavy stone structures and they align to constellations. | ||
| It's a very good question. | ||
| I would imagine it would be an irresistible target. | ||
| Everybody wants to know how the heck the pyramids were built. | ||
| That would be something that could be remote viewed, could it not? | ||
| Yes, in fact, it's in the ultimate time machine as of past viewing. | ||
| And I actually did the remote viewing, and it was a double-blind scenario in 1983. | ||
| And what I had was essentially a vision of a large placid lake, and they were using the surface of this man-made lake to create a perfectly flat engineering plane. | ||
| And they were using the water to lubricate a certain kind of saw to level the stones in the first two or three layers of the pyramid. | ||
| Really? | ||
| They use large rafts to move the stones. | ||
| And I saw a formal dock area and that sort of thing. | ||
| What's fascinating is in 1983 when I did that, I actually took that material to the Egyptology Lab at SRI and was promptly laughed out of the room. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was about a year ago, maybe a little longer now, on the front page of the LA Times they came out with an article. | ||
| Scientists, archaeologists have discovered an archaic lake that existed in the middle of the desert and now theorize that the Egyptians or whoever built the Great Pyramid probably moved stones using rafts and they were surprised to find out they had actually had a paved road and a dock area and saws and all that sort of thing. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I can't help but think if just one person had been open to remote viewing in 1983, they could have said, well, if this is correct, then you can look at a topographical map and See where that lake would have had to have been. | ||
| You know, hypothesized where the edges of that lake would have had to have been to do that. | ||
| And you could have gone there and discovered that, you know, 17 years earlier or whatever. | ||
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But that wasn't done because no one had an open mind. | |
| I have an article here which came from the Electronic Telegraph entitled Remote Views, CIA Signed Up Psychics as Spooks. | ||
| And they're talking about Dr. Putoff and the beginnings of all this. | ||
| And apparently, they told him there was increasing concern within the intelligence community, the birth of all this, about the Soviet interest in parapsychology. | ||
| They asked if Dr. Putoff could arrange for a demonstration of Ingol Swan's abilities. | ||
| The results of those experiments, in which objects were hidden in boxes, impressed the CIA sufficiently to commission Dr. Putoff to set up a more detailed study. | ||
| If remote viewing were to be of any intelligence value to the CIA, questions such as how far away the site could be, whether a sender had to be present at the target site needed to be addressed. | ||
| Now, is that essentially an accurate description of how it all began? | ||
| Yes, I would say it is. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You have lived through some interesting times yourself, haven't you? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| We've done some very interesting targeting over the years, and some of it's worked very well, and some of it hasn't worked at all. | ||
| I think the thing to remember is that we really don't know a great deal about how the information is transferred. | ||
| We know something about what affects it, and we also have some degree of knowledge about how it might be improved to a certain extent. | ||
| But in terms of its consistency, it still suffers. | ||
| In terms of its accuracy, it's very, very difficult to determine accuracy prior to a post-stock analysis of the results. | ||
| So, you know, there's a lot to be desired. | ||
| But I think what's important to state is that you can absolutely be assured based on 25 years of research that psychic functioning is real and that it's within the human capacity. | ||
| Oh, I believe that without hesitation. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Where are you, please? | ||
| I'm in Tennessee, Arthur. | ||
| This is Roger. | ||
| Yes, Roger. | ||
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I wanted to ask Joe if he's remote viewed the Y2K problem. | |
| And a question for you also. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, really good question, actually. | ||
| Y2K is coming up quickly, and I've had a number of guests, Joe, very knowledgeable, and it's backed up by things the government has said, even the president. | ||
| This incredible thing that's coming toward us, a fixed date that could account for a collapse of a good part of society, civilization as we know it, power grids, banks, commerce. | ||
| Is it going to be a major event in 2000 or not? | ||
| I think absolutely it's going to be a significant event. | ||
| One of the things that I say in my ultimate time machine, I say right up front and forward that I specifically don't address the Y2K problem. | ||
| And the reason I don't is because we know about it, and it's real easy to hypothesize exactly where the problems might fall. | ||
| In other words, it's so obvious it doesn't need remote viewing. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I think the serious problem, there's two serious problems here. | ||
| One is the total disregard for the fact that it's going to occur. | ||
| I think a lot of people just, quite frankly, think someone else is going to take care of the problem. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And so they don't address it. | ||
| The area of concern, my concern, is more of a social one than a technological one. | ||
| I think technologically we can solve the problem, and it'll take time. | ||
| But socially we have a serious, serious problem socially in that over the past 50 years we have essentially developed a whole new managerial level within government without where people make decisions based on computer runs and whether or not the right columns filled in and they don't they no longer make those decisions based on intuitive gut feeling or instinct and as a result of that when these people are forced to make some very major decisions because | ||
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| of automation they may be making the wrong ones and that's going to have a great deal of impact across the board I'm afraid I agree with that as well caller you had something else well WWTN talk radio John Grayson yes was talking here the other night said something about Africanized killer bees I guess round you know I live in a very interesting place there's an Associated Press story out right now saying that my little town of Pahrump is now | ||
| the host of swarms of killer bees and it's like I asked what next locusts you never know why two canes and solar flares the bees killer bees swarms of killer bees really makes a person go out comfortable to go out at night west of the Rockies you're on the air with Joe McGonagall and not a lot of time left a low | ||
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this way it well you know that for certain but it sounds like like I've been waiting a long time well here you are I'm calling from the state of Washington my name is John I have two areas number one it was brought up that some areas of research are not gotten into by maybe even remote viewers because it disagrees with their theology that's right so I believe this is my one one area | |
| that reincarnation could be validated by remote viewing now don't comment the other area is one interviewee on the Art Bell show made the statement that UFO abductions are done With the permission of the person who's abducted, and the only way that permission could be given would be prior to being born in the life that they're living, where they get abducted from. | ||
| Oh, well, I would disagree with that premise right away. | ||
| Let's comment on the first. | ||
| Is there any indication in any remote viewing you have done that a person exists on the earth plane in three dimensions more than once? | ||
| I address this actually within my book. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I personally do not hold to the premise of reincarnation. | ||
| Having said that, I have to say that I do hold to the premise that we exist in multiple carnations, incarnations, which means that I exist perhaps in 2,000 lives simultaneously. | ||
| I am, in fact, the Roman soldier as I am talking on the phone now. | ||
| Or I am, in fact, the star traveler in the year 3,000. | ||
| You're in effect talking about a mass consciousness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And where time-space is not material. | ||
| A collective consciousness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think we incarnate in that way. | ||
| I don't know if that is very understandable in the limited amount of time I had to say it. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We could have used more time. | ||
| We could always use more time. | ||
| Obviously, a show like this could go on forever and ever, and we will have you back again. | ||
| But this one's over. | ||
| I'm afraid we're out of time. | ||
| And you're probably thankful because it must be near 6 o'clock in the morning back there. | ||
| It is 6 a.m. | ||
| Joe, it's been a pleasure. | ||
| So far. | ||
| Yeah, it has. | ||
| and people can get your books at amazon.com and I presume in Barnes and Noble and places like that. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| I'll look for it. | ||
| Thank you, my friend. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| Thank you, Eric. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| That's Joe McGonigal, folks. | ||
| And again, we've got got links to his, as a matter of fact, to his personal website. | ||
| So if you want to see and read more about what you just heard about, go on up there and take a look. | ||
| Go to www.artbell.com. | ||
| Scroll down until you see the name Joe McGonagall, and you'll see the two websites. | ||
| That's what the mouse is for. | ||
| Click, click. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| Tomorrow night, David Adair. | ||
| Sorry, we're out of time. |
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