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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Area 51 Government Employee Lines only 1hr

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tonight, on the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, a composite show from August 7th of 1998 and September 11th, 1997 on Area 51, including one of the most interesting calls to ever occur on the show.
		So sit back and enjoy the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
		Good morning, perhaps, dependent on your time zone.
		And there are so many from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands outwest, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet, thanks to broadcast.com.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Mark Bell.
		And tonight, as promised, as waited for by many, we are going to discuss Area 51.
		And we're going to talk to government employees who wish to spill their guts.
		Should be an interesting night.
		Now, it has been quite some time since I have done this.
		In my last foray into government agents in Area 51, the satellite, which transmits my voice to you, supposedly lost Earth lock, which is an interesting way of suggesting that the satellite suddenly moved and no longer knew where Earth was, right in the middle of a critical call.
unidentified		Now, coincidence?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Synchronicity?
unidentified		Perhaps?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a little bit of a lead for you.
		Most of you know Matt Drudge, who writes for the internet and probably annoys most of the mainstream media.
		I'm going to read you something that is just about to break this weekend.
		Now, a lot of people thought that Area 51 might have moved away, oh, perhaps to Utah or some other location.
unidentified		Wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Secret military bases, 1,850 people now employed at Area 51.
		Underground installations, ultra-secure manufacturing plants, secret labs that America needs to wage the Cold War are still intact despite federal downsizing policies that have gutted many other military and civilian programs.
		But oh, not Area 51, folks.
		The Scripps-Howard News Service, according to Drudge, is set to move a pair of features on its circuits this weekend.
		It will say that more than 1,850 federal civilian workers are currently employed at Area 51 in the southern Nevada desert, just over the hill from me, most in well-compensated jobs at several ultra-high security facilities in and near the range.
		This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the U.S. It used to be that the Air Force tried to pretend that Area 51 did not exist.
		Actually, they still do.
		So who works there?
		Non-government military observers believe that hundreds or perhaps thousands of military and civilian workers are employed in the desert facilities taking daily flights from Las Vegas airfields into the base.
		Computer records appear to confirm this.
		Now, whatever is done at Area 51, officially designated the, quote, Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range, end quote, on Nevada maps, is certainly still done in secret.
		But scripts suggest that the base is the testing grounds for America's most secret military machines.
		Everything from our favorite 117 stealth fighter to get this folks electromagnetic pulse weapons.
		Now, do you remember the fellow who called my show?
		Who was actually shot down over Area 51?
		That might resonate.
		He claimed in the last frantic moments that it was an electromagnetic pulse weapon that did his aircraft in.
		Remember?
		The WIRE also explores the super secret Cheyenne Air Force and Army complex.
		In the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, there are 6,658 employees there.
		Now, how in the world can Matt Drudge or Scripps or anybody else know the exact number of employees in Cheyenne Mountain?
		What do they do?
		Cheyenne Mountain operates military communications and navigation satellites.
		Ostensibly, it watches for the launch of any high-altitude missile system anywhere in the world.
		The center also tracks more than 8,500 objects in Earth orbit to warn manned space flights of possible collisions and assists the Justice Department and U.S. customs in illegal drug interdiction programs trying to track aircraft suspected of carrying dope.
		Isn't that interesting?
		So, tonight, what we are going to do is to cast away all the normal news, and we are going to open these lines this night for Area 51 employees.
		Many of them, by the way, live very close to me.
		Many live in Beruk.
unidentified		Many live in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many of you, I'm sure, well, no doubt have things that you would like to get off your chest.
		Things that you have seen and done at Area 51.
		Many of you who have penetrated or tried to penetrate Area 51 can see things.
		And then another category as well, government employees.
		People who work for the government at various secret installations around the country and know things that you would like to get off your chest.
		So, that is going to be the business of the night.
		Area 51 employees and government employees who wish to see.
		All of that coming directly ahead.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay tuned for the original broadcast from September 11th, 1997, when the GE2 satellite inexplicably lost contact with the Earth right here on the vest of Coast to Coast AM.
		The End All right, now I'm going to repeat this one more time because people are not listening tonight until I say otherwise.
		All of my lines are devoted to those of you who are either current government employees and wish to sing about whatever any song you would wish to sing, those of you who have been or are currently employed by Area 51, that non-existent base over the hill from me, all of my lines are devoted to that.
		So everybody else, sit back and listen and let those who do fit into one of those categories get through on any of the lines.
		Let us begin.
		On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing today, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Colorado.
unidentified		And I'm just a recent listener to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Started about three weeks ago.
unidentified		Really enjoy the stuff you talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And what I did, I was an Airborne Ranger in the Army for 18 years.
unidentified		And one of our assignments at times were to try to penetrate the security around some of these secret bases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like Area 51?
unidentified		Yes, exactly like Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you would be given the assignment of trying, kind of like a computer hacker tries to get into the Pentagon by their permission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You, with their permission, would try to break in and breach their security.
unidentified		Yes, this is right.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you do?
unidentified		Oh, well, we had about a 40% success rate the first time.
		You've got to be kidding.
		No, it wasn't.
		It's horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, an enemy agent, if that's what you were, would have at least a 40% chance of breaking in.
unidentified		Okay, now you've got to remember, this is like 15 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, the last time we tried, which was like five years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We were successful about 9% of the time.
		They stepped up their security immensely.
		They have ground sensors, and you talk about your night vision scopes.
		Well, they got some that will probably put this one to shame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
unidentified		And they really stepped it up.
unidentified		Now, for a base that's not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Area 51?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not there.
unidentified		Not supposed to be there.
unidentified		They got some amazing security measures there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		They have ground sensors.
		They have, as you point out, night vision.
		They have helicopters with infrared and heat sensing.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there are people that, you know, they try, and they've made it in, a few of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of them, of course, sit in jails.
unidentified		Yeah, because it's a federal offense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Now, there's two ways of looking at Area 51.
		One is that our country has a right to a really, really secret place where we develop things like the F-117, that kind of thing.
		That's right.
unidentified		The F-117, the B-1B, the B-1C.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, all of that is now like the Model T compared to what we've got.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there's one other little factor, and this is where a lot of people begin to say, I want to know more, and that is they think there's been extraterrestrial contact.
		They think that technology has been transferred to the U.S. government because of some kind of deal with them, and that that technology is being tested at Area 51, and there is some evidence to indicate that might be so.
		There's a lot of call, toll-free, 1-800-618.
unidentified		No, no, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it, hold it, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You cannot say that word on the air.
unidentified		Okay, I'll say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is one of the seven deadly words the FCC doesn't like.
		So you saw some weird fertilizer.
		You saw some weird poop.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, just modify it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little be all right.
unidentified		Just as soon as you ask what it might be, I mean, you're immediately taken off of any assignment you might be on or shipped to some place like Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage isn't that bad.
		Now, Thule was not one of the favorite tourist sites.
		But look, let me ask you what you saw.
		What did you see?
		Can you tell us?
unidentified		Well, you hear people talking about particle beam and electromagnetic beam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And lasers.
		And they say the only way you could run a powerful enough laser to take down an aircraft or maybe a missile, it would have to be, you know, huge blocks.
		you know, blocks long.
		And some of the things I've seen...
		Now, But take it from me, they're getting this technology from someplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though you can't give us precise details, you saw particle beam weapons, that sort of thing.
unidentified		At least that's what I thought they was.
		I mean, you take something 100 yards down the range and you point a box at it and hit a button and it explodes.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And just where do you think this technology came from?
unidentified		Well, I'm with you now.
		I believe that there are a lot of UFOs, ETs, whatever you want to call them.
		Okay?
		I mean, I've seen some weird stuff in my life, but nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not necessarily with me because I didn't say that's where I was.
		I said that's what a lot of people believe.
		Well, that is an important distinction.
		And I think it's indeed possible.
		Now, as you may have heard, I had my own sighting of a triangular craft that came 150 feet over my head just on a night like this when the moon was just about full, blotted out the moon, stars.
		This was a craft that defied gravity without question.
		And so either we have many generations of aircraft development that we know nothing about.
		That's a big story if we have anti-gravity.
unidentified		Anti-gravity, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it was one of theirs.
unidentified		You know, I'm betting that it's one of theirs because I've seen a ship something like you was talking about.
unidentified		I drive a truck at night, which is how I ended up listening to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's also how you saw it, you know, because most people, do you know most people never look up?
unidentified		Well, when you drive at night, you tend to look at the stars quite a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I was watching this light.
		I just figured it wasn't, you know, a regular airplane, right?
		Now, unless we have figured out a way to make the g-forces negligible or the laws of physics not apply, it was going in a straight line and immediately, I mean immediately, did a 90-degree turn and was going in 90 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what that would do to a human being?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		De jellified.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, my friend.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		I tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to speak up a little louder.
unidentified		How's this here, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much better.
		Thank you.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm not going to give my location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		But I will give you a number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A number?
		You mean we would know you by a number?
		You don't mean your phone number?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, give me a number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll call you by number.
unidentified		27.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 27.
unidentified		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		2782D4.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2782D4?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a long name.
		2782D4.
		All right, 2782-D4.
		What's your story?
unidentified		I am 13 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		13 years old?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me the government employs people 13 years old?
unidentified		Because we're the new people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The new people?
unidentified		And they teach us early?
unidentified		Basically, to go out and kill and destroy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government is teaching 13-year-olds to kill and destroy?
unidentified		You betcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that I ponder recent headlines, that might make some perverted sense.
unidentified		Funny.
unidentified		I just took out a missile silo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You took out a missile silo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty ambitious for a 13-year-old.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's fun, too.
unidentified		And the guy you just had on talking about the ray guns?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		He's on the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is on the money, huh?
unidentified		So you got the real thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Particle beam weapons in the hands of 13-year-olds.
unidentified		You betcha.
		And let me tell you something.
		They're fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're fun.
		And I think that's where our 13-year-old decided to bail out.
		Well, so for 2782D4.
		There is a big full moon out there tonight, so look out.
		I have no idea what's ahead.
		Government employees, Area 51 employees who would like to get whatever it is that may be on your chest off.
		That's what we're going to be doing tonight on all of the lines.
		So if you have a song you want to sing, a story you want to tell, you pick the line, and here we are.
		We'll be right back.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's an interesting facts, but you're going to have to act now, not later.
		The facts reads, Art, I witnessed and observed alien-type bodies in underground facilities in the Dayton, Ohio area.
		Now, I can't and won't give my name.
		There are still live beings kept there.
		From my understanding, they were recovered in the last two years.
		Now, I am willing to discuss more with you at a later date.
		I will contact you.
		Well, the time is now.
		The date is today, and you should fax me again with a number, and I'd be glad to give you a call.
		Now, and by the way, that goes for everybody else.
		Anybody else who cannot get through on the phones, I realize they are jammed to the gills, who has a really interesting story to tell, be assured that if you want to fax me and give me a number, I will, well, I don't know what I'll do.
		I'll destroy the fax after I have talked to you so your number can get to nobody's hands.
		How's that?
		I absolutely promise your anonymity.
		So here we go.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you might not want to say where you are.
unidentified		Probably not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you want to say what part of the country you're in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just generally?
unidentified		Well, not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in the country?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
unidentified		I am a time traveler as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a time traveler as well?
		Yes, I am.
		From when?
unidentified		Well, not too far from your future.
unidentified		Only about four months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four months in our future?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you be here four months from our future?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm worried about that.
unidentified		Well, I'm what the government called a wrangler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A wrangler?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
unidentified		Well, uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the Old West, I think it meant that you wrangled cows, but I...
unidentified		Well, it's sort of like that.
		There's a...
		Well, no.
		Good.
		Another animal is, though.
		And, well, a liquid is extracted from these animals for a propellant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For a propellant?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precious bodily fluids extracted for propellants?
unidentified		It's going to open up many, many doors.
unidentified		This is the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Except perhaps for the extract E. It's going to close some doors for the extractee, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
		And that would be the weasels and the beavers.
		And.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you realize how ecologically, politically incorrect that is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you realize how much trouble you could be in with, well, our, I don't know, the EPA or somebody?
unidentified		Look at the government.
unidentified		Do you think they're going to care about weasels or beavers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about our president?
		Yeah.
		All right.
		Thank you very much, A. Time Traveler from four months in the future.
		East of the Rockies from the RLO.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine.
		You're going to have to yell at us.
		You're not very loud.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		This is the Area 51 line, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they all are tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Area 51 or government employees, one of the two.
unidentified		Yes, I've penetrated Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on.
unidentified		Now, it's kind of a stupid story, actually.
unidentified		Me and some of my friends were having like a keg party up on Freedom Ridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Freedom Ridge is an area that overlooks Area 51.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were having a keg party, which means you had a bunch of beer up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		A whole lot of beer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A whole lot of beer.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were totally scorched on Freedom Ridge above Area 51.
		You know, right away you know this is a bad mix.
		Right?
unidentified		Not at the time I didn't, but I do now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what precisely occurred?
unidentified		Well, both of my friends were passed out, and I still wait, so I decided to take a walk.
unidentified		And I kind of, in a sense, crossed over into Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You kind of crossed over into Area 51?
unidentified		Yeah, I kind of stumbled over the border.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stumbled into Area 51?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You staggered into Area 51.
unidentified		Yes, you can say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh, I just did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they, no doubt, came and collected your butt.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then what?
unidentified		And they took me to the base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the base?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see, normally, most people arrested at the perimeter or inside Area 51 are turned over to the local sheriff there and thrown in the county pokey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you were taken to inside the area itself.
unidentified		Yes, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you happen to see anything unusual while you were there?
unidentified		No, they had a hood over my head.
		A hood?
		Yes.
		So I couldn't see anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you allowed one phone call?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		They told me I had no right, that I was on protected ground, and my rights did not matter to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the Constitution ends where the Area 51 gate begins?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in your condition, you probably couldn't argue very hard, so what did they do with you?
unidentified		Well, I remember driving through the desert because it was bumpy and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be bumpy.
unidentified		Yes, and then we hit a paved road, and it was real smooth.
		Then I remember them dragging me out and taking me down several flights of stairs.
		Yes.
		And I was taken into a room, no windows, nothing.
		This is a single desk and two chairs.
		And there was two guards at the door, two at the back of the room, and two behind me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And there was a man, I don't know if he was in charge of everything there, but he was asking me questions, why I was there, who I worked for, and all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who you worked for.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you tell him, look, we just were having a Kagger up here?
unidentified		I guess he got the general picture when I breathed on him.
unidentified		I made it drunk off my breath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Threw chunks all over his floor?
unidentified		No.
		No.
		They kept me there for about three days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three days?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		They took me down to the sick bay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, that follows.
		But I mean, surely you were cured of whatever illed you in at least 24 hours.
		Why didn't they release you?
		And what happened during the next two days?
unidentified		They interrogated me some more.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's amazing.
		And then finally, what did they do?
		Put you in a vehicle and drive you out to the perimeter and say, get out of here?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And once they did that, they told me never to say anything about this again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, of course, now calling a national talk show, you're keeping that promise.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by the way, were there any threats?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you talked about this whole thing, did they threaten you?
unidentified		No, they said you better not talk about this because this is a big desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it is a big desert.
		All right, thank you very much.
		There you have it.
		That's what can happen.
		There's a little example for you.
		If you do happen to stumble in any condition into Area 51, people will call me frequently asking about Area 51 and whether they should try and breach security up there and go see what they can see.
		And I tell them no.
		You know, you will definitely get arrested or worse.
		And I would imagine under severe circumstances, they probably have the old James Bond license to kill.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Er.
		Hello, there.
		This is a good topic you got on here tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's different.
unidentified		It's different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you add to It?
unidentified		Oh, pretty good.
unidentified		I'm in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've been in and out of Edwards and Palmdale since 1967 with many of the companies that work in those locations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's a lot that goes on at Edwards.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Palmdale.
unidentified		Well, in 1989 and 90, I worked on that airplane that came out of Palmdale, which they only have built 22 of.
		Really?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of airplane, sir?
unidentified		The one that radar can't see and it's supposed to be invisible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would, you mean the stealth?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Uh-huh.
		Are you familiar with composite structures?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly am.
		Composite materials together.
		Yeah, composite materials that don't reflect radar signals, or if they do, they reflect them away from the point of origin.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know something about it.
unidentified		On the B2, when they put the wings to the fuselage, they have these gaps between the composite, the regular airspace, which they have to fill to get the radar signature out to infiltrate it.
		Well, they were making these titanium shims to put in there, and we thought that the shims were just regular normal-grade titanium.
		And after we did some of our own little testing on the bits and pieces that were laying around, we found out that it was an aluminum-titanium composite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, which really, to this day, I don't think even exists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aluminum titanium.
unidentified		Aluminum titanium composite.
		That's those two metals.
		But here was the clicker.
		The binding agent was a silk fabric, which you couldn't cut with a razor knife.
		It would actually dull a razor knife.
		You couldn't drill a hole in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw all this with your very two eyes, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I had the clearance.
unidentified		I mean, I was eligible to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you able to now safely talk about it without fear of, you know, men in black or whatever?
unidentified		I'll take my chances, but I'm pretty certain that your phone is secure tonight.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's secure.
unidentified		And they can't do any tracing.
unidentified		And I'm pretty sure over the years my phone's been bugged because of all the projects that I worked on that was in the black world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why have you decided to talk about this?
		I mean, particularly about specific composites.
		You're saying things I've never heard before.
unidentified		Well, you're talking about Area 51, and everybody knows what goes on over there.
unidentified		In my world, Area 51 doesn't exist or never existed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In my world, it's just over the mountain to the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In your world, it exists.
unidentified		In my world, I don't know what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But this composite material came from Area 51.
		They were the only people who could work it.
		They were the only ones who could build it.
		And it was kept under armed guard when it traveled between the two places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know an attorney.
		This is something that eventually is going to be public if it is not already, and it is to some degree, who is representing a number of workers at Area 51 who worked with very exotic materials and claim they got sick.
		Now, the government is trying very hard not to allow this lawsuit to proceed because it would open up a can of alien worms or worse at Area 51.
		Are you aware of that?
unidentified		I've heard of it.
unidentified		NCR ran a series on that not too long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you at all concerned that you might have been exposed to something that might make you sick?
unidentified		Over the years, I probably have exposed some exotic stuff, but it's nothing.
unidentified		I'm still alive today, and I'm not sick, so I'm not going to worry about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One leg has not become shorter than the other.
unidentified		If you keep your mouth shut, you play by their rules, you get to fly some of the strangest airplanes in the world.
unidentified		work on them, look at them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you get...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever get to actually fly?
unidentified		Well, I'm a licensed pilot, and we've talked before on that topic.
unidentified		Yes, there are some airplanes that have been flown that radar can't even see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have flown in them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You're aware of that stuff as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course I am.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you, give me an example.
unidentified		It happened in the summer of 90.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		1990.
		We were taken off from Palmdale.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We had two F-15s on our wingtips, and the tower cleared the two F-15s to take off.
		They couldn't see us.
		And when we were airborne, we were joined by something else and something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something else and something else.
unidentified		And something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Undescribed.
unidentified		Undescribed.
		And we headed out over the Pacific.
		Okay?
		When we got 200 miles off, Russian aircraft met us because they knew we were coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russian aircraft.
unidentified		Russian aircraft knew where we were coming.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that implies, wait a minute, that's 1990.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That implies cooperation between the U.S. and Russia.
unidentified		No, there was no cooperation.
		They were just dogging us to see what we were flying.
		They knew the two F-18s and these two other aircraft and the 14s had left, and they just met up because they knew what the procedures were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's it like riding in an aircraft like that?
unidentified		I've flown so many arts, it's just like riding in another airplane.
		And there's just some weird stuff out there.
		Well, one of these days, maybe it'll all come to light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps so.
		One of these days, maybe it will.
		All right, thanks a million.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		That was as much as I could drag out of him.
		There is an interesting phenomenon that occurs here where I am in the desert.
		Now, to get my signal from here to there to you, I have what's called a KU-band uplink.
		And we fire a very, or a relatively narrow signal from my home to GE-1, General Electric Satellite that sits up there in geosynchronous orbit 22,300 miles above Earth.
		And so obviously we have a signal going from here to there.
		We transmit a signal from my home.
		And we also have an awful lot of overflights here of helicopters of the black variety, of fighter aircraft that will scream over the house occasionally at a low altitude.
		And I have been told by more than one person that my KU-band transmitter turns on their threat receivers.
		Now, obviously we're over friendly territory here, but turning on threat receivers of F-15s and so forth has always worried me a little bit because of some sort of automatic response, some sort of harm missile coming down my throat.
		I've always worried about that just a little.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, I'm on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are on the air.
unidentified		Is this why coming from your end to my end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		Do you hear a high-pitched whine on your end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do hear a high-pitched wine, yes.
unidentified		I think I'm being traced up front, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, you've got to always assume it's possible.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it's possible that you're being traced.
unidentified		I'm not transmitting anything on this end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm certainly not on this end, so anyway, say what you want to say quick so you can't get it.
unidentified		All right, real quick before they shut me up, okay?
		The Greys, the best theory is they originate here on Earth around the end of the Jurassic period.
		There's a fairly advanced civilization of humans, close enough to humans to breed, but the offspring is usually sterile.
		And they were basically made to go out to planets, explore, and then come back because nobody wanted to take a thousand, two hundred thousand-year trip.
		And at the end of the Jurassic period, they started getting a little bit overpopulated and started making some genetically engineered plants, particularly peanuts and other lettuces again like that.
		And it spread further and they started taking nitrogen out of the air, decreasing the atmospheric pressure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Which a lot of things called the dinosaurs started dying off.
unidentified		And that did another thing with corn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying they, the greys, actually killed the dinosaurs?
unidentified		Yes, because they're reducing the atmospheric pressure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that would do it, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Yes, a lot of the dinosaurs, if you look at the dinosaurs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, why are you worried they're tracing your call anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, why are you worried they're tracing your call?
unidentified		Well, I got the whine right here on my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I mean, why are you worried?
unidentified		Well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You haven't said anything yet that they would care about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This frequently, but let me read you yet another facts I have, and I will try making a call.
unidentified		All right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, I worked at Area 51 for 15 years and would like to talk to you about what really went on there.
		I worked in base ops.
		I'm also involved in the class action suit against the government.
		I can be reached tonight at the fly.
		He gives me a number, which, by the way, is a Nevada number, a work number.
		Please, he says, don't give out my number, which I certainly will not do.
		But I am now going to try to place a call to this gentleman, and we'll see if there's anything to it.
		There's nothing like radio on the fly, huh?
		Now, let's see if we can get him.
		Hold on here.
		We'll try.
		Anything's worth a shot here.
		This may go nowhere at all, but his name is Fred, or he calls himself Fred.
		We'll see if he's really at the number he suggests he's at.
unidentified		ABC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, ABC.
unidentified		Fred?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Art Bell.
unidentified		How you doing, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm doing just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got a fact from you that says you worked at Area 51 for 15 years.
unidentified		That's correct.
		So what can I help you out with, sir?
		You know, I'll be the first to sort of contradict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me start out by asking you on your facts, and when you just now answered the phone, you said ABC.
unidentified		Yeah, that's, please, we need to not discuss anything further about trying to identify me by where I was.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, this is another place I'm at now, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's discuss your 15 years at Area 51.
		I have no idea what you can and can't tell us, so I'll probe and you tell me when you can't answer.
		What kind of work did you do?
unidentified		I was involved in the general day-to-day operations through the base ops, scheduling, things of that nature.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		Qualifying for using the airspace of the box, of course, the Nellis Air Force Base, something people don't usually notice about that was we actually control the airspace on the whole range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm well aware of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much airspace actually is controlled above area 51?
unidentified		You know, that's difficult to say, but the box we're talking about was 10 by 10, 10 miles by 10 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody familiar with aeronautic charts knows that is forbidden airspace.
unidentified		Yes, so that's a fact.
		Yeah, anyway, when we took the you have to understand, we controlled the box.
		We allowed Nellis to use the range.
		When we were in the box, Nellis was off the range.
		When we were off the box, then Nellis could use the range for their red flag, things of that nature.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the years that you were at Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see anything that you had no rational explanation for or that did not make sense in terms of technology that we would have developed?
unidentified		Well, you know, I happen to be involved in some of the development of some of the projects that came out of there, so I'm not at liberty to discuss those.
		But nonetheless, there is a big lag time before something goes white world and when it's in development.
		And there's a big lag time between the things that are specced out or scaled out and developed between the time that they even go from being scaled to full production.
		And then, of course, when they go from black to gray or black to white world, there's a lot of time involved there.
		So I speculate that anything that I saw during the 80s, of course, had some time on it as far as development was concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we know, for example, the F-117 stealth was developed there and came out and then went gray and then went white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we all know about the F-117, saw it fly in Iraq and all the rest of it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that was a long time ago.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what would you imagine?
		Maybe we can talk about this hypothetically.
		What would you imagine would be several generations downline from the F-117?
unidentified		Well, you know, there was different prototypes involved and everything out there, but none of them as mysterious as the things that are discussed on your program.
unidentified		I'm here to say that there wasn't a building or facility that was there that wasn't out of my control, and that there was nothing mysterious about what went on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why are there things that you cannot talk about?
unidentified		Oh, because they're classified military hardware and they can't be discussed.
		It's that simple.
		It's just like before the 117 went white, it was not allowed to be discussed.
		There's nothing extraterrestrial or anything about the development of that airplane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there areas within Area 51 that are underground?
unidentified		No, absolutely not.
unidentified		There was one facility, a small bunker out there about as big as a basketball court, if that, and it was only underground to protect the instrumentation from RF interference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there three large hangars at Area 51?
unidentified		There is one huge hangar.
		There are a couple of the small ones there, smaller than that.
		But generally speaking, the hangars are nothing bigger than what you could put an average jet fighter in or something of that size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're in Las Vegas, just over the hill from me.
		You know exactly where I am in Perup, right?
unidentified		Oh, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as we look over the hills toward Area 51 on many, many nights, we see, and it's well documented by Japanese camera crews, American camera crews, amateurs, things that rise vertically and do dances in the sky that just simply are not done by any conventional aircraft we know about.
unidentified		Well, you know, I'm here to tell you one thing.
		I've never in my life seen a vehicle which I considered otherworldly or anything like that until I did work up there.
		But during that particular time, there were four of us that were standing outside, and we actually saw five aircraft that looked like, well, not aircraft, but things like a star, okay, in the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a star.
unidentified		Like a star, but it was at sundown.
		And I figured, well, maybe this might be a satellite, for instance.
		But there were five of them, and they were sort of three of them abreast, two of them were trailing.
		And they went from horizon to, say, mid-horizon or mid-vertical sky in about maybe 15 to 20 seconds.
		And then we were looking at it and saying, boy, this is really something we would never see anything quite like five satellites grouped like this.
		And then the two that were trailing did a 90 degree and went to the east.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Satellites don't do that.
unidentified		And then the other three went directly over the southern horizon.
		We all looked at each other.
		So we happened to have radio contact with the operations white room up there, and we contacted them and asked them to check the scope, see if anything was up.
		And there was nothing on the scope.
		So we looked at each other and says, well, that's kind of amazing.
		But anyway, what happened was about 30 seconds later, the three that went all over the South Horizon came directly back and went to the North Horizon.
		And they did that in about, like I say, 30 seconds, horizon to horizon.
		Absolutely no sound.
		You know, of course, the satellites don't do that either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they do not.
unidentified		That was a very unusual thing I saw out of my entire 15 years of being there.
		And the rest of the stuff I would have to say was just high-classified military projects that, you know, needn't be discussed in this forum.
		But there were absolutely no, you know, otherworldly...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A debriefing statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And were you to violate that?
unidentified		Would I or have you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, were you to violate it, to finish the sentence, what would be the repercussions?
unidentified		I think it was a 10-year $10,000, something like that, was the bottom line on it.
		10 years in jail, $10,000 fine, max for divulging, things like that.
		But anyway, things are happening right now, and I've got to go back and do some work here for the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, just one last quick thing.
		You said you're involved in a suit against the government right now.
		And in fact, there is a group suing the government, claiming they were injured working with materials or by the government burning materials at Area 51 exotic materials.
unidentified		Yes.
		And that's, in fact, part of our thing.
		You know, we just filed recently to go into the Supreme Court.
		And we got our our date well, we filed our paperwork.
		We're waiting for a date now to go to the Supreme Court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think your chances are?
unidentified		I don't know.
		It's always difficult to say what might happen in a situation like that.
		But from all aspects of what I've learned, we might stand a good chance if we get into that venue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as you know, for years and years, the government, and as far as I still know, as far as I know now, it is still true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government says there is no such area as Area 51.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a big chuckle, though, isn't it, Art?
		If you've ever been to, I guess, that's the place they used to call Freedom Ridge, which became popular, you know, right at the end of there.
		It was, you know, everyone knows it there, you know.
		Yeah, it's in documents.
		It's on TV, things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fred, thank you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		See you later, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay out of trouble.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn off thy radio, please.
unidentified		It's on its way down.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alaska, where?
unidentified		Well, I'm in Palmer now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Palmer?
		All right.
		Well, you know, I was just in Anchorage.
unidentified		Yeah, I know you were.
unidentified		Were you born before 1953?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was born June 17th, 1945, on Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.
unidentified		Okay.
		The reason I ask is I grew up in Colorado.
		My father worked for a packaging corporation that took recycled paper and made boxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way back then?
unidentified		Way back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know we were recycled that long.
unidentified		We recycled years and years ago.
		People don't realize that we recycled.
		Anyway, do you know what Int is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be E-N-T?
unidentified		Yes.
		No.
		Ent is a military base buried in the mountains in Colorado.
		And it's a nuclear safe, you know, one of those dug way deep in the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In, I'm not sure, probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hardened site.
unidentified		Yes.
		In 1960, early 60s, maybe 61, 62, I was a young boy, 9, 10 years old, and my dad came home from work with a book on flying saucers.
		Ant had brought a bunch of paper to be destroyed because they didn't want it out in the public's hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your dad brought it home?
unidentified		And my dad brought one home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not supposed to do that, you know.
unidentified		And I thumbed through this thing for months, fascinated at the hundreds and hundreds of official spaceship reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what have you done with all of this documentation?
unidentified		You know, I don't know what happened to the book.
		I'm sure that my brother looked through it.
		I don't know what my dad did with the book.
		And your show has just brought this book back to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I sure would like to lay my hands on it.
unidentified		I'm telling you, it would be an amazing piece of paper.
unidentified		And I don't know that, you know, if anybody else has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is your dad still alive?
unidentified		My dad is still alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you go to him and ask him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your dog Henri.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if he still has that book, you and I need to talk privately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you could arrange that?
unidentified		I will call him and ask him if...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		You take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, would I like to lay my hands on that?
		Wouldn't that be neat?
		We're going to take a break here at the bottom of the hour once again.
		Come back and do, I have no idea what.
		Now, don't touch that dial.
		The devil went down to Georgia.
unidentified		He was looking for a third.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, I don't know about the earlier ones.
		They were pretty good, but this last guy, I'll bet you, I'll bet you he was a real thing.
		That's just my own call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Harbill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I'm the archaeologist who slipped into Area 51 last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're the archaeologist who slipped.
unidentified		Yes, I mean, maybe I don't quite meet the criteria.
unidentified		I'm not afraid of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you slipped into Area 51, you definitely meet the criteria.
unidentified		Well, I hiked in there for 100 miles.
		I was in there over a week.
		It was so far into Area 51 I could actually see out the other side.
		In fact, contemplated doing so south to north.
		And I will say this.
		It was the mind-boggling thing I ever did in my entire life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, look, why, first of all, did you decide as an archaeologist what was of interest in Area 51?
unidentified		I was following the Death Valley 49ers, a wagon train that got lost back in 1849.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, they left, they took a shortcut, the elephant shortcut, as it turned out, from the Utah-Nevada border.
unidentified		And as fate would have it, of course, they went directly right through the center of what, of course, legions of UFO people believe is Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were simply following their trail, and the trail led through Area 51.
unidentified		That's correct.
		And I pleaded with the Air Force for, oh, several years to allow my team access to several archaeological sites.
		One, of course, is Papus Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Papus Lake, yeah.
unidentified		That's critical archaeologically because that was the last campground of the 49ers where their cohesion failed there and they went different directions in an attempt to escape the desert.
		And there are seven known rock inscriptions from that wagon train.
		One of them, and out of the seven, for instance, six are, well, five are well documented.
		The sixth I discovered myself near the Utah-Nevada border.
		The seventh lies deep in what's called Nye Canyon, which is just above Tapoose Lake.
		There's an old photograph of it that I carried in there taken in the 30s before they closed the area off, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so obviously you were refused permission a number of times, and then at some point you decided to hell with them you're going in anyway?
unidentified		I cast reason aside, and I admit it.
		But I'm not sorry I did it.
		I'm sorry I didn't find the inscription.
		I did find evidence of the wagon train, however, and I did get within a mile of the lake bed at Tapu's Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Now, there is no known photograph, of course, of Tapu's Lake, except taken from Mont Sterling, I believe, 50-some miles away.
unidentified		There's computer-generated photographs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a camera with you?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		And I've got magnificent color photographs of this place.
		And I don't believe, you know, I've been accused by people that I've done a disservice to my country, that I've done with these photographs.
		I've done nothing with them.
		I intend, and I have a book proposal with the Jeff Huhran Agency in New York.
		The book will be called Forbidden Journey, and I hope to include those photographs, but I will not do so until I am assured that they will not.
		And I don't believe they will show anything that would compromise national security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, without describing specifically what's in the photographs.
unidentified		It's a magnificent, clear photograph of Tapu's lake taken in the daytime.
unidentified		Now, and in the daytime, and I had a powerful set of binoculars because it looked like a dry lake bed to me, nothing else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what it is.
unidentified		At night, it was a different story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you see?
unidentified		I could clearly see what were security lights on the perimeters, and I could see what appeared to be lights that opened and closed near the center of the lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		What was that?
unidentified		I don't know as far, but during the daytime now, I got, like I said, within a mile of the lake bed, and I was getting a little bit concerned there because I wasn't so concerned about ground security, but airborne would have found me in a heartbeat because of vegetation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I was having my lunch, and this is the farthest north I intended to go.
		I wanted to backtrack in Nye Canyon.
		I was having my lunch in a little, well, a waddy, a little tiny wash, really, apples and peanuts, and I felt vibration.
		And I know I wasn't imagining it because there were rivelets of sand coming down just on the other side of this little wash, and I could see them coming down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you didn't imagine it.
unidentified		And I thought, well, hey, an earthquake.
		Well, then I realized, no, this is not an earthquake.
		It continued and continued for maybe nearly two minutes.
		It's something they're testing, either directly underground or I was feeling vibrations completely from Groom Lake.
		I don't know.
		But, I mean, it was just a mind-boggling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see any, particularly at night, did you see any lights rising above the desert floor?
unidentified		No.
		I saw nothing hovering.
		I didn't see anything that I would justifiably say that I could explain as unexplainable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a very interesting story and see if this resonates, Good Word, with you.
		I have a very good friend who lives on the other side of the valley, much closer to Area 51.
		Yeah, that's right.
		In fact, he works there, and I will not identify him behind that.
		This friend of mine built a porch.
		He's got a mobile home on the other side of the valley.
		He built a porch, and he sunk two buffers or better into the ground, you know, to support the porch, right?
		And he began to hear these and feel these strange vibrations at night.
		So strong, so strong, that, believe me, it killed him to do it.
		He ended up tearing the porch down to stop the vibrations because he couldn't sleep at night.
unidentified		You don't get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so there's something going on out there underground.
		There's no question about that.
		Now, so you spent exactly how much time in Area 51?
unidentified		I was in there a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, talk about forbidden archaeology.
unidentified		Oh, I mean, I'll tell you right now, I mean, I have good backcountry skills, but I was very, very lucky.
		Anyone who's contemplating storming the ramparts of Area 51, think again, these guys are in there with weapons of war, and they will, and they can, they can kill you.
		And I felt just something about the way I saw many guards, and I saw them, most of them, fortunately from a distance, although not always.
		Something about the way they carried themselves.
		I think if they'd have caught me in there, they'd have lit me up like a Roman candle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Now, I want to try something out on you.
		You have these remarkably clear photographs.
		Yes.
		I understand you're going to write a book, publish a book, and most people who write books and publish books want publicity to sell their books, yes?
		Sure.
		So, would it not be advantageous to you to take one of the more intriguing photographs and send it to somebody like me who would then interview you when your book comes out?
unidentified		Well, you certainly reach a large market.
		Congratulations on your Newsweek article.
		You're up so late, I never catch you.
		But I read Newsweek and I saw your article in there.
		You're 10 million people.
		That's an interesting point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes, it is.
		And so I'm making you an offer.
		I'm trying to make you a deal here.
		I'm trying to get a photograph, is what I'm trying to do.
		But were you to send me one, why, I could post that on the website.
		Then when the appropriate moment came, I could do an interview with you.
		And who knows how many books you'd sell?
		Probably many.
unidentified		Well, really, I mean, but my picture is a clear photograph of Tapu's Lake.
		I mean, how it's a dry lake bed.
		I mean, it looks pretty much like the computerized photograph.
		I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but there are not existing, as you pointed out, there are not existing clear photographs.
unidentified		That's right.
		Well, my idea was, well, I'll print the book and the photographs will be in the book, and they'll just, you know, that'll sell the book.
		But you've got a good point there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think I made the offer?
unidentified		Well, let me seriously consider that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you've got my address.
		You seriously consider it, and I'll look for it, all right?
		What is your address?
		Oh, you want my address?
		It's Art Bell.
		P.O. Box 4755 in Perump.
		That's P-A-H.
unidentified		Yeah, I know, Spell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		R-U-M-P-L.
		Okay, good.
		Nevada.
		ZIP code 89041-4755.
		Now, listen, my mail comes in by the bin.
		I get bins of mail.
		So take a magic marker and write on the outside of whatever you send me, forbidden archaeology.
unidentified		Maybe I'd just send you the book proposal.
		It's called Forbidden Journey.
		Forbidden Archaeology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll be my key.
unidentified		And I want you to know that my interest, of course, is archaeological.
		I would love to see these 49ers brought to the fore, as they should be.
		They're as relevant a group as a Donner Party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I understand why you were there.
unidentified		If the Air Force would allow me, you know, I pleaded with them.
		I had a congressman intercede on my behalf.
		The answer was not no, Art.
		It was no, no, no, hell.
		You know, I pleaded with them.
		I had a congressman intercede on my behalf.
		The answer was not no, Art.
		It was no, no, no, hell no.
		And I mean, I offered them, you know, they could blindfold me, escort me.
		I wasn't asking for that much, and it just kind of burned me.
		I mean, this is sort of like my land, just like it's your land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now it's their land, so it was not only no, but hell no.
unidentified		Yes, and that's the exact conversation, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call, sir.
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, a pleasant good morning to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma, huh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		All right.
		That's something for your consideration.
		Okay.
		In the past, you have shared with us listeners, and you and I discussed this one night, over the air, if some really big catastrophe should happen, say, coming in from outer space.
		That you do this, Paul Harvey, and make a traveling mark and go out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, I should tell you that I now have the microphone to do that.
		I've got a permanent outside microphone that I'm about to mount.
		It was sent to me by some very nice listener, a very professional outfit.
		But yes, in other words, if an asteroid was coming in or something, sure, what the hell?
		I'd go outside, take the microphone, and talk that sucker in.
		Why not?
unidentified		Well, here's something for you to consider.
unidentified		Next, Wednesday night, Thursday morning, the moon is going to occur Saturn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which means?
unidentified		Which means it's going to pass in front of Saturn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, that's not catastrophic.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		I hope.
		Say a puzzle.
		Check your system out.
		It is quite an impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you suggest that I would go out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, how impressive.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		You can see it through binoculars.
		It doesn't...
		Now, when the Luna calls the star, the star, like, winks out.
		I mean, it just...
		Well, just take a look at it anyway.
		Might be good practice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if we had a big rock, say about six miles wide, bearing down on us, now you're talking good reason for a remote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Endo the World broadcast.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
unidentified		What could be this as a tune-up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a tune-up.
		All right, well, I'll mull that over in my mind.
		Thank you.
		On my Area 51 line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Hi.
		I don't have a whole lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, let's begin by finding out whether you're using this line properly or not.
unidentified		Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you an employee or are you now?
unidentified		I'm a former employee.
		Former employee.
		I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and I've kind of been running across the country.
		Oh, man, I don't know where to start.
		They're going to triangulate on this position really, really soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't spend a lot of time on the phone, so give us something quick.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay, what we're thinking of as aliens are extra-dimensional beings that an earlier precursor of the space program made contact with.
		They are not what they claim to be.
		They have infiltrated a lot of aspects of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.
		The disasters that are coming, I'm sorry, the government knows about them.
		And There's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now, aren't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not doing anything.
unidentified		They are not.
		They want the major population centers wiped out so that the the few that are left will be more easily controllable.
		Discharged.
		I...
		I started getting...
		I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're listening to the original broadcast from September 11th, 1997, when the GE2 satellite lost what is known as Earth Track or Earth Block for unexplained reasons.
unidentified		A backup connection was established and the show continued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're listening to the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Well, this was certainly interesting.
		We are now on a backup system, everybody.
		A backup system.
		And that one caller that I had on the air, I guess we were about in the middle of his transmission, his telephone call, which was one of the strangest ones I've ever had.
		And the entire transmitting system by satellite went down here, and we were notified we were off the air.
		And it would appear to be from this end and some sort of massive transmit failure.
		So we are now using a backup system to be on the air.
		And not that I would normally believe this kind of thing, mind you.
		But I can't help but wonder if somebody zapped us in some way.
		We'll find out.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Arbel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What just happened there with the transmission?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, what happened is the transmitter here blew its cookies in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something knocked us off the air, and we're on a backup system now.
unidentified		Is it the government or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		has to be something, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you hear...
unidentified		That was awful strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a really weird guy on the air when it went off?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Real weird out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like going sort of sounding paranoid, frantic?
unidentified		Like crying and everything.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how far into the conversation was it when it went off?
unidentified		Just a couple, about 15, 20 seconds, I'd say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you guys missed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really missed a call then, and I've got a feeling somebody didn't want you to hear it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Because it was really strange.
		All of a sudden, I'm hearing Mark Fuhrman.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the network, of course, went immediately to a backup tape while we tried to figure out what blew up here.
		So that's what you heard happen.
		And then we're now on a backup link system to be on the air at all right now.
		Well, I'm telling you.
unidentified		Am I on the air right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air right now.
		Well, you better be, yes.
		Where are you, by the way?
unidentified		I'm in Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michigan.
unidentified		Yeah, I called the other night.
unidentified		And I wanted to ask two things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real quick.
unidentified		Well, I wanted to say one thing, and I wanted to ask another.
		Real quick.
		I wanted to ask if you could play that remote viewing, one when you were in, while you go to Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And also, I wanted to know all this stuff about Area 51, if it's like the government's trying to put it out there like that.
unidentified		So like some other places and being watched as much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it's a big decoy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see what you're saying.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Apparently we are back on the air and apparently we'll be back after the news, I think.
		The End This hour, on the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, Art speaks with former and current employees of the supposedly non-existent Area 51.
		And now, back to the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Let me tell you what a very, very interesting churn of events.
		Right in the middle of a very, very strange, one of the strangest calls I've ever had, we apparently lost all transmit capability on this end here in Nevada.
		The transmitter went belly up suddenly for some unknown reason.
		I've never seen it do this in all the years, all the years that we've been on the air.
		I have never seen the transmitter in this way just simply fail, a massive little fail, like a massive heart attack of some kind.
		And so we have gone to a backup system to get signaled to you right now, and I presume it is getting to you right now.
		Totally bizarre, folks.
		Totally bizarre.
		So I presume that you got to hear whatever they grabbed quickly, which I believe in this case was a bit of the Mark Fuhrman interview.
		Must have seemed a bit out of context, I would say.
		Good interview, but you had to hear it in context.
		All right.
		Well, we will continue on with the backup system and go to work on the primary system.
		This is why we have backup systems.
		I'll tell you, live radio is weird stuff, folks.
		Anything can happen, and this is another perfect example of that.
		On the run, trying to get things done in a five-hour program, anything can occur.
		And we have had, my transmitter has had an apparent massive heart attack, or something happened to it, or something, somebody did something to it.
		And I will not mention the alternative means we're doing to get accomplishing to get a signal up there right now or to the network, let me put it that way.
		But pretty weird, and it certainly occurred at a pretty weird time.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the or Hi, hi, Art Bell.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio down, please.
		Turn it off.
		There you go.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Barbara in Kingland, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Barbara.
unidentified		My husband and I have a question about that interruption you had, and also about Dannon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.

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