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Welcome to Arkbell Somewhere in Time, tonight, coast to coast a.m. from August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be across this wide expanse of territory.
So many time zones.
The Hawaiian and Eastern Islands in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the old internet.
I bid you good day, everybody, and welcome to WHP Radio.
That's WHP in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
They're 580 on the top 5,000.
And so I imagine they're heard throughout that whole sort of area of Pennsylvania.
Big regional station.
As a matter of fact, I remember WHP when I lived back east, so I know they've got a big signal.
Glad to be on board.
This is a weird show.
It's going to take you time to understand it.
I still don't fully understand it myself.
Next hour, we are going to have...
I'll tell you.
I will tell you what I was told earlier today.
And I don't know any more than this.
We'll find out together.
The man's name is Isyong Sam.
He is a Nigerian.
As a matter of fact, he is from a lost Nigerian tribe.
But it goes a little further than that.
This man seems rational.
And his English is quite passable.
And what he has told me is that God is now alive on earth.
He told me that God is in this lost Nigerian tribe that he is from.
He told me that Israel has sent a delegation to this tribe and that nobody knows about this except for you tonight.
Now, I don't know anything more about this, I'm telling you, than that, but that's quite enough.
And so in the next hour, we'll talk to Yi Seong Sam and see what this is all about.
Now, before I go on and even start with what the news is and that kind of thing, there is a photograph that somebody just sent me just prior to airtime by email.
And I in no way, you've got to understand, in no way do I warranty this to be real, nor do I consider it to be fake.
It looks real.
It is.
It is...
unidentified
Oh.
art bell
I guess it's a human being.
I'm honestly, honestly not sure.
It might be a human being.
I hesitated before I decided to post it, not very long, though.
You know me.
I'll pretty much go ahead and put up whatever anybody sends me that seems really intriguing.
I have no I guess we're going to just call it another who, what, where, and why photograph.
And that's exactly what it's called.
So if you'll go to my website, you will see something that will, I mean, it'll blow your mind.
It absolutely is going to blow your mind.
So you'll see a picture of what appears to be human feet.
You click on that and you get the entire picture, the entire photograph.
And I'm just telling you right now, brace yourself.
Brace yourself for, I don't know what.
unidentified
But believe me when I tell you, brace yourself.
art bell
My God.
It's when a few of you have seen it, and I'll open a line for those who have seen the photograph.
Because I'm telling you right now, it's either somebody's photographic fake, but it may not be.
And I guess I don't want to discuss the specifics of it until I get somebody here on the line who's seen it.
My God.
I mean, that's what you're going to say when you see this photograph.
You're going to go, my God.
So go to my website.
Trust me on this one.
And when you get there, just go click on the first item, the who, what, what, where, when thing.
It's a very, very disturbing, really disturbing picture.
That's all I can tell you.
All right, let's see.
What is in the standard everyday news?
U.S. Appeals Court refusing to block efforts to obtain the testimony of White House lawyer Bruce Lindsay.
Clinton administration's emergency request for an order to block the testimony sent right away to Chief Justice Rehnquist.
Rehnquist not expected to act tonight.
If the court agrees to hear the appeal when it returns to session in October, it could delay Independent Counsel Star from questioning Lindsay.
So that just continues to chug along.
I've got all kinds of rumors, they're running wild about the president, and I've got a number here that I just, I don't want to read you.
But I'll tell you this.
For those of you who listened last night and heard the repeat of Sean David Morton, I'm telling you, Sean Morton has hit more predictions on the head.
I got this email today.
All right.
The last time Sean David Morton was on Coast to Coast, the program in fact was repeated last night, he predicted that Clinton's ultimate fall from grace would begin on August 17th.
Now, guess when Clinton is scheduled to testify before the grand jury?
You guessed it.
August 17th.
Looks like Sean may have nailed it again.
that's gary in las vegas Thank you.
That's nailing it, all right.
Indeed, the president, it was just announced, is to testify before the grand jury August 17th.
That's what I would call a hit.
How about you?
U.S.-Iraq talks halt.
Disturbing.
State Department today blamed Iraq for the disturbing, in quotes, breakdown of talks with the U.N. over Baghdad's weapons.
G and I, I thought they had that all cleared up.
Everything has taken a, according to the chief inspector, a disappointing slide in recent days that Iraq might disclose fully its weapons program now.
They think they're cheating again.
No, those cheating Iraqis.
Speaking of Africa, military forces in the eastern Congo declared themselves in open rebellion today against the president there after Rwandan mercenaries clashed with soldiers loyal.
So anyway, fighting goes on.
I think, and I'm not sure yet, but I think that I'm going to Africa in October.
But I think I'm going to go to Cape Town in South Africa.
I wanted to.
I really did want to go into Zaire.
As a matter of fact, I really wanted to go to Nigeria.
But there's just too much war going on, and it's too damn dangerous.
And I'm sorry, so I may end up going to Cape Town, or maybe I won't go at all.
I don't know.
Another white buffalo has been born.
A white buffalo, a genetic rarity and powerful American Indian spiritual symbol, has been born in Hanover.
The female calf weighs about 40 pounds, appears to be healthy, and is not albino, according to the Jackson Citizen Patriot.
Scientists have no idea how a rare white buffalo is created and when, but estimates range from one in a million to one in 40 million.
The Lakotas consider the white buffalo to be good medicine.
And it means something.
And we have had now how many white buffalo in the last, I would say, two or three years?
A sign of something?
Now, brace yourself for what you're about to hear.
I read you the following from Fox News.
In Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, a scientist dabbed among the unhollowed dumps of the grave to piece together his creature.
Now, surgeons in Louisville, Kentucky are embarking on an experiment that may seem morbid, very morbid, but which holds significant promise for restoring limb sensation movement and usefulness to amputees.
University of Louisville surgeons at Jewish Hospital estimate that in about six months they are going to perform, get this folks, the first hand plant attaching a hand taken from the body of a brain-dead donor, attaching it to the arm of an amputee.
The doctors are estimating at least a 50% chance that the new hand won't be rejected, repeat, will not be.
And they expect the patient to have nearly full movement in the new limb within four to five weeks after surgery.
Sensation would then develop in later months as nerves slowly regenerate.
They have narrowed their search for the first candidate from a pool of about 100 people down to 10 and hope to select a patient in the next two months.
Quote, an ideal candidate would be an adult who has lost both hands and who feels they can no longer proceed with their profession or take care of their family.
Although attaching a cadaver's hand to a living person may seem like a radical concept, doctors claim the actual surgery is not all that new.
According to a Dr. Warren, Breedback, I Think it is, who's going to lead the operation.
Nearly every part of the hand, arteries, bone, muscle, cartilage, nerves, and tendons, has been transplanted before.
The only difference is they're going to transplant an entire limb, can you imagine that?
We can now transplant most internal organs, and if we can transplant a hand, then we can transplant a leg or an arm or a knee or an ear.
In other words, it seems to me we're getting pretty close here to being able to do just about anything.
Remember Dr. Frankenstein?
The only thing undone is the brain, and I am told brain transplants are possible.
You recall Dr. White.
Dr. White on the program, he did a whole bunch of monkey brain transplants.
We're approaching a very interesting age, aren't we?
Once it was thought if you lost an arm or a finger or a foot or a leg, it was gone.
Now, you might be able to live on with somebody else's limb.
Oh, I tell you, we live in strange times.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
john b wells
I think you're absolutely correct.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
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Now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell
Well, I would not have believed it had I not seen it.
It looks like there is going to be a medical marijuana proposal on the ballot here in Nevada.
Now, you bear in mind that Nevada is a place where possession of marijuana is a felony.
It's one of the toughest states in the Union, in that regard.
But somehow, some way, they got it on.
And you had to have, I think, a minimum requirement of 46,764 signatures.
And it's like they didn't have it and then they had it.
So the late news I have is that the medical marijuana initiative is on the Nevada ballot.
Now that should be really, really interesting to see what occurs.
And while I'm on the subject of Nevada politics, something I almost talk, I never talk about.
i don't think i ever talk about about politics uh...
much less up to rump politics but i live I live in a little town about 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
Now, Las Vegas at one time was run very strictly.
When Sheriff Moran was there, it was run very strictly.
You didn't see gangs.
You didn't see people getting in trouble on the street.
You didn't see a lot of things.
And that's because the sheriff was a sheriff.
And he was fair, but he was very strict.
Now, flash out to where I live here in Little Perome, Nevada.
We have a sheriff's race going on right now.
And our current sheriff, let's see, how can I put it?
His name is Wade Lee Ski.
And he's fair and he's strict.
Very strict.
Now, in the race that's going on out here, they're calling him a Nazi.
And let me put it to you this way: I don't want to see this guy out of office.
I want to see Lisky re-elected.
And the reason I want to see it is because I don't want to see my little town of Brump turn into Las Vegas.
Las Vegas was once a place where you could walk safely about the streets without worry over your life.
And I don't want to see our little frontier town of Brump turned into a clone of Las Vegas, which is a clone of Los Angeles.
And I don't want to see the gangs.
And I don't want to see a bunch of little 16-year-old thugs treated with kid gloves because they're not kids.
You know, if a 90-year-old lady gets beat up, she sure as hell doesn't care that he's 16.
In other words, I don't want to see a liberal, and I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.
So I hope Sheriff Leaske remains right in office.
I intend to vote for him, keep him there.
And keep Perrump the very nice place that we intended for it to be when we moved out here to get away from all the other stuff.
So, you know, from Art Bell, hey, Wade Leaske, go, go, go.
Re-elect Sheriff Wade Leaske.
Totally unsolicited.
That's my comment from here in Perrump because I'd like it to stay the place it was when I moved here.
We'll be right back.
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art bell
Just to clarify, actually, you know, in my opinion, when Las Vegas began to go to hell, it was when actually Sheriff Moran took over from Sheriff Lamb.
Lamb kept things in line.
Moran kind of came in with the more liberal.
It's a fine line, you know.
I've worked with the police for a long time, and it's a very fine line they all walk indeed.
And it's not black and white.
There are gray areas of law enforcement.
And frankly, I think that I don't want to see my community move over, you know, to the white line, where everything is liberalized and where the justice scales are tipped in favor of the bad guys.
You follow me?
I'm very concerned about that in my own little community, and you ought to be in yours, too.
And how the sheriff conducts himself has a lot to do with that.
And Sheriff Liesky here has kept our town a good place to live in.
And, you know, we're growing.
I mean, actually, did you know that Pahrump, Nevada, little town I live in, is the fastest growing by percentage community in the state of Nevada, which happens to be the fastest growing state in the whole country?
unidentified
So that makes us...
art bell
And I think the temptation, once you begin to grow fast and get bigger, is to liberalize, particularly in law enforcement, and people come along and start calling you Nazi and all the rest of it.
And I'm totally uninterested in that kind of mudslinging.
And so I want to keep our current sheriff.
I really want to keep our current sheriff.
That's my personal opinion.
Because it has to do with my personal little place to live.
And in fact, if you look around you, Las Vegas was simply a very good example of a city that once was run fairly, but tough.
I admit it, tough.
You know, they didn't put up with any crap gangbangers.
You know, they were shown the door.
And I have no problem with that kind of law enforcement.
Now, of course, you don't want what the critics say either, and you don't want a Nazi-like thing.
Of course you don't want that.
That isn't what we have.
That's simply what's being bantered about with election rhetoric of people who would like the job.
So I don't want it to change here.
And if it does change here, I'm going to be an unhappy camper.
I hope that Cherif Leeski remains right where he is doing exactly what he's doing *Screams* Okay, so you've got Streamlink, our Apple iPhone app, the Daily Coast Zone free email newsletter, but don't forget the After Dark magazine.
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Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
Smart idea?
I would love to see that happen.
A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
And now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell: Somewhere in Time.
art bell
This is interesting.
Toronto in Canada.
Apparently there they have staged a mock trial with regard to what occurred to the Titanic.
Check this out, folks.
Associated Press.
If the Titanic went down today, what a gargantuan lawsuit there would be.
unidentified
Women and children first, indeed.
art bell
That alone could trigger wrongful death suits based on sex discrimination claims.
Can you imagine that?
unidentified
Isn't that absolutely correct?
art bell
Isn't it if the Titanic went down today and the crew tried to insist that women and children go first, there would be wrongful death suits, so many you couldn't count them, from the men or the families of the men, charging sex discrimination.
if the titanic went down today do you think it would be women and children first How times change.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Well, good morning, Art.
This is Rick from Seattle, Washington.
art bell
Hi, Rick.
unidentified
Great KOMO.
I just wanted to call up and ask if you'd found out about Mount St. Helens today raising a cloud of ash up to 9,000 feet in the air.
art bell
Oh, nobody sent me anything about that.
unidentified
Yeah, the news reports are saying that it's possibly a rockfall, but then again, you never know.
art bell
A rockfall that kicks something up 9,000 feet?
unidentified
Yep, that's what I thought, too.
They were just beginning to wonder.
art bell
A rockfall?
unidentified
Gigantic rockfall?
art bell
I don't think that I'd buy it.
nope I suppose if it was a like a landslide a gigantic landslide then that Well, but I've also been getting an awful lot due to winds.
I've been getting an awful lot of reports saying that there's been a lot of small quake activity under St. Helens.
unidentified
Yes, 2.0 and below.
art bell
That's right.
Very interesting.
Thank you very, very much for that report.
unidentified
Hmm.
art bell
A rock fall, huh?
Yeah, maybe.
Here I've got in front of me the plans of the social security system for Y2K.
I'll try and read that to you.
Wild Guardline, you're on air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
It's Jason in Perump.
art bell
Jason, hi.
unidentified
Hey, how you doing, man?
art bell
I'm all right.
Glad to hear from you.
unidentified
Good.
Hey, the Sheriff Lesky thing.
art bell
Right.
unidentified
You know, I'm all for it.
art bell
Do you understand?
I'm so glad you called, Jason.
Do you understand what I mean since you live here in Perump?
We can look over the hill and see what happened after Lamb with Moran and how Las Vegas changed.
And now it's gangbangers paradise.
You know, might as well be in L.A., right?
Yeah.
You know, I'm watching the election here in Pahrump, and I'm seeing people call our sheriff a Nazi, and it really pisses me off.
unidentified
Yeah, no, he's not hard.
He's doing his job.
art bell
I know his job.
I know that.
I know that.
And I want him to keep doing his job.
And I don't want people making these kinds of charges to be able to poison just good, plain old, tough law enforcement.
unidentified
Right.
He's hard-nosing, and that's a good thing.
art bell
That's a good thing, yeah.
I don't want to live in a place where I'm afraid to walk around.
Do you?
unidentified
No, Art.
art bell
That's why I moved here.
How about you?
unidentified
Hey, I came from a place in California when I decided to leave there.
That was so bad after the second guy got killed on my street corner.
art bell
I hear you.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
No, I have reason to know about the goodness of this man, and I just couldn't keep my mouth shut about it.
unidentified
Well, you know what, Art?
That's what you're here for.
art bell
Yeah, I don't know what I'm here for.
unidentified
Well, you're doing a good job.
art bell
Thanks for the call, Jason.
unidentified
But you know what, Art?
I was going to tell you, I'm sitting here looking out of my AMT Model 2.
art bell
Ooh, you are.
unidentified
I'm loving it.
art bell
You've got to see it.
john b wells
That's where I'm looking at.
art bell
What?
unidentified
Over at Area 51.
art bell
And what are you seeing?
unidentified
Actually, I'm not seeing nothing.
I faxed you a couple a week ago.
I haven't seen nothing since.
You said something.
art bell
That would have killed me because I'm not aimed at Area 51 right now.
You know, obviously, if you look at more of a straight-up point, you've got less atmosphere between you and the stars.
Right.
And you see a whole lot more.
But isn't it amazing?
unidentified
You know what?
I would recommend it to anybody.
That is some really neat art.
art bell
Even in areas where they don't see a lot of stars, the night vision will pick out the light new problem.
john b wells
Yeah, it's great.
art bell
All right, my friend.
john b wells
Thank you.
art bell
That's Jason here in Prompt.
Thanks for the call, Jason.
And I see we agree.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
art bell
Oops.
Now you are.
Hello, you're on the air.
john b wells
Oh, hi, Art.
art bell
Hi.
Where are you, sir?
unidentified
I'm in KVEN land.
art bell
Ventura?
unidentified
Yes.
And last week, for the first time in my life, I got to hear Dr. Lear speak in person.
And it was fascinating, but something was really scary.
He explained that.
art bell
Now, Dr. Lear is a surgeon who removes implants.
john b wells
Right.
unidentified
And one thing in my mind was, how do they know they're alien implants?
But he explained they're attached to nerves.
They have like seemingly electronic parts.
art bell
They have a shell around them that cannot be penetrated by a scalpel.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
But something else fascinating happened at the meeting.
I raised my hand and I said he was talking about little scoop marks on a leg.
art bell
Oh, yes.
unidentified
And it's a certain fleshy feeling.
You can see a certain coloration under a black light of the skin, and they're unmistakable.
So I raised my can and showed one to him, and he goes, that's it.
art bell
And he says, Well, let me tell you something I've never told anybody before.
This means nothing.
I have no memory.
As far as I know, I have never been abducted, but I do have a scoop mark on my leg.
unidentified
You know what's funny?
I came back to the store, showed it to my buddy, and he has one.
And not only that, you know, it's even a little weirder.
I have 50 scars in my body.
I can tell you every scar where it came from.
That's the only one I have.
Do not have a clue.
art bell
Yeah.
I appreciate your call, and I appreciate your triggering my saying that.
And I've never said it publicly before, because people, of course, are going to jump to all kinds of conclusions.
But I have a scoop mark.
It's not a scar.
It's just like somebody took a little scoop and scooped out a little bit of skin.
And the skin is perfectly smooth.
Now, what that means, it may mean nothing.
It may mean that people have scoop marks.
I don't know.
But I do have a scoop mark.
It's a definite scoop mark.
I have no memory of anything ever occurring.
I'm pretty sure that I've never been abducted.
Of course, my memory might be erased.
What do I know?
But I do have a scoop mark, and I've never said that publicly before.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Well, good morning, Art.
art bell
Good morning to you.
Where are you?
unidentified
I'm in southeast Idaho.
art bell
All right.
unidentified
Listening to KBNU.
I should be anyway, but I'm listening to Kansas E tonight.
art bell
All right.
unidentified
I have a little thought.
Maybe we should gather our collective amygdala and point them towards northern Texas.
art bell
I agree with you.
In fact, here, let me read this to you and then we'll all try it, okay?
Well, let's give it a try.
Experiment number two.
Hi, Art.
I've heard that you asked your listeners to visualize rain for Florida while the wildfires were going on, and that within the hour, the weather changed.
That's true.
And a day later, the rain began.
Here in Texas, we've been having 100-degree plus weather for over two months now.
This may have to do with the earth changes, but the fact of the matter is, 95 people have died statewide due to the extreme heat we're experiencing.
Would you consider making an announcement similar to the one you did for the state of Florida for the relief we need here in Texas?
There are thousands of people and animals who would be most grateful for some heavy rainfall, not to mention the grass, trees, and plants.
No worry about mudslides here in Texas.
We don't have any mountains.
So there you are.
Let's do it.
unidentified
I think it's a great idea.
I've been thinking about this for a while, and if any place needs it, Northern Texas could use it right now.
art bell
All right.
You got it, my friend.
Thank you.
All right, folks.
Let's give it a try.
As you know, we had a guest who talked to us about clicking forward our frontal lobe, anyway.
It's virtually popping your frontal lobes and then concentrating on rain, concentrating on the formation of moisture and clouds above the state of Texas.
Now, the last time we tried the experiment, we asked you to face toward the target area.
So wherever you are, face toward Texas and spend a few Moments, if you wouldn't mind, concentrating on the formation of moisture above Texas.
And let's see if we can bring some rain to the state of Texas.
God knows they do need it.
So, if you would please help us participate now in great experiment number two, they've really had it down in Texas.
And if you're in Texas, concentrate on the area above you.
Let's see if we can bring rain to Texas.
I am not at all beyond believing that a collective mental effort is in fact capable of changing the weather.
I'm a little cautious about tampering in this area because I feel that probably moisture taken from one place to give to another may have its own kind of ill effects.
But let's see if it can be done.
We've got a large enough audience out there, all of you.
And if you will just take a quiet moment of contemplation, you can do it now, you can do it during the news, you can do it tomorrow, and concentrate as hard as you can on the formation of clouds, of the collection of moisture, the formation of clouds above Texas.
Specifically, if you wish northern Texas, the Dallas area could sure use some rain.
So, anybody willing to give it a try out there?
Despite the fact that I think there's a high predominating over that area, let us try.
They really do need the rain.
So, the Great Weather Experiment, Part 2.
Now, I don't know if I'm qualified to set it up, but I just did anyway.
We'll try it.
If it fails, it may be because I did not give you the proper instruction.
But let us try.
Concentrate as hard as you can every opportunity you get in the next 24 hours on rain for Texas.
Let's see what we can do.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey, Mr. Bell.
unidentified
This is Patrick from Tulfa.
How are you?
art bell
I'm fine, Patrick.
unidentified
Caller, I saw that picture of the who, what, what is it?
art bell
Oh, yes.
unidentified
Yeah, extremely interesting.
Very interesting.
art bell
What the hell is it?
unidentified
I don't know.
It looks like a really obese person might have.
art bell
Yeah, but, all right, here's the thing.
If that was an obese person, and that's the first thing I thought about, and that person fell from a building, right?
Where's the blood?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't see any of that either.
art bell
So I'm not even fully convinced that's human.
unidentified
It could not be.
It could be one of our secret government experiments gone awry.
art bell
I don't know.
You know, people send me these photographs.
Maybe it's just a doctored-up photograph, but I don't think so.
I think it's real, but I just don't know what it is.
Could be.
unidentified
It's extremely interesting.
art bell
But isn't it one of those things that you look at and you go, oh my God, what's that?
unidentified
It makes you scratch your head.
art bell
Yeah.
And maybe some other places, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
All right.
Well, listen, anything else?
I've got to scoot here because I've got a break coming up.
unidentified
I know.
I just used to live in Clearwater.
I saw your pictures in there in the Virgin Mary on the building.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
I used to live right down the street from that.
art bell
Did you really?
unidentified
Yeah, it was tragic, Mr. Hornis.
The main thing that came about that was that that image was actually painted on there years before.
art bell
I know, but it got ruined, and then it came back all by itself.
Remarkable.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
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Music We'll be happy every day Oh, we're gonna take a blue way If I'm feeling good to you and you're feeling good to me There ain't nothing we can do to me Feeling
good, feeling fine Oh, baby, take a blue way Oh, wild, give a music Oh, wild, give a music
Oh, wild, give a music For the night I've laid the fallen river Rounding Campbell County And the cloud is gone Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time.
The night's program originally aired August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
Good morning, everybody, and welcome to another week of Coast to Coast AM.
And again, we are welcoming a new affiliate, a pretty cool one, too, WHP AM in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, serving that whole area of Pennsylvania.
This is a very strange show.
You'll find that out soon enough.
Listen, there is a photograph on my website right now, which is unlike any photograph I've ever seen in my whole life.
The reactions, I can't describe it to you because, frankly, this thing can't be described.
Someone here writes, Hey, Art, my interpretation is it's a melted Texan.
By the way, we're trying to help the Texans out, and if it's possible with mind power, millions of minds working on the same thing, we're trying to create rain in Texas.
Specifically, Dallas, North Texas.
And it is the Great Rain Experiment Part 2.
So I'm asking all of my audience to take just one moment out, kind of picture Texas in your mind, go into as much of a meditative state as you're able to, and try to picture rain, moisture, the gathering of clouds above Texas, and let's see what we can do.
It worked in Florida.
Maybe it'll work in Texas.
Anyway, there's a big old high over the area, so let's try it.
Let's give it a try.
Over the next 24 hours, all of you collectively, when you get an extra moment, consider rain and clouds over Texas.
unidentified
Okay?
art bell
Again, another reaction to the picture up on the website.
I mean, I got this thing like five minutes before airtime and I shipped it to Keith who got it up there right away.
Keith Rowan, my esteemed webmaster.
Here's another reaction.
Art, oh my lord.
I just left your website.
By God, is this photo real?
Of course, I have no idea.
It's bizarre, but it sure looks real.
I recommend everybody go check it out.
Somebody else asking Art a few questions.
He says, regarding the picture, I just saw it.
unidentified
Whoa.
art bell
Can you tell us any more about the origins of the picture?
Well, the guy who sent it has an email address.
You can email and ask him.
A few questions we should ask.
One, is it human?
Two, is it the remnants of a human?
Three, is something devouring a human?
And frankly, I don't know, but if you want to get a look at that photograph, go to my website and take a look.
See, it's www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com.
It is bizarre, and I suppose it fits right in.
All right, in a moment.
Well, in a moment, I'll explain to you what's about to happen.
unidentified
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Now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell
Music All right, I'm going to tell you what I know about the man coming on right now.
And this is all I know.
We are going to be discovering this together.
I got a call from my network office earlier in the day, and they said there is a man desperate to get hold of you, Art.
He is from a lost tribe in Nigeria.
He is, in fact, Nigerian, of course.
His name, I think I can pronounce it, is Izyong Sam.
Izyong is his first name.
Sam his last name, S-A-M.
He is, in fact, Nigerian.
And I'll tell you what he told me.
He told me he comes from a lost tribe in Nigeria.
And we'll have to define what a lost tribe is.
Nigeria, as you know, is locked in a terrible, destructive civil war right now.
But his Yong Sam says that God is now on earth.
God is on earth.
And God is a member of this tribe.
He also told me that the Israelis sent a delegation to Africa, to his tribe, to Nigeria, and that's all I knew.
And I thought, hmm, this is interesting.
So I said, stop.
I want to hear the rest of it on the air.
I don't like pre-interviewing past a certain point.
You know, I want to hear a little bit of what somebody has to say.
But past that point, I want to discover things as you do.
So that's all I know.
Here he is.
Is Yong Sam?
Welcome to the program.
unidentified
Thank you, Aaron.
art bell
One step at a time, I guess, you are Nigerian.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
You said you're from a lost tribe.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm from the lost tribe.
You know, the Israelites, when they arrived, Canaan, I'm going to speak slowly so that your listeners can hear me very well because of my dialect.
When my ancestors left Egypt through the journey in the wilderness, they finally arrived in Canaan and some tribes were eventually lost through history.
and these have been known to all in Nigeria that we are the lost one of the in fact in the area I'm trying to describe to you the caliber I don't know if you're familiar very well we know I am not the color ball is that correct color ball color by is the city right by the coast in eastern Nigeria
art bell
okay well I'm going to try and bring myself up a map here so I can take a look and maybe I can let's see where is my world map anyway so you
unidentified
you have been in this tribe for all your life yeah I've been with them with yeah with them all my life and we've been here in eastern Nigeria for a very long period of time from 900 BC when we left canine and okay I see now eastern Nigeria yeah and to the
art bell
south of you would be Cameroon now yes yes that goes to Cameron to the east of you would be Chad so you say your village would be down near the Cameroon border there's very close to the the Cameroon border okay I think I've got you here
um how close to the very southern tip of Nigeria how far from the ocean oh it is right by the ocean right by the ocean yeah okay in that case then I have you pinpointed I see where where you are and when you
unidentified
say lost tribe when when was your tribe discovered by the modern world I'm at we've been there we've been there from generations we have nobody had wanted to listen when the alien missionaries came to Nigeria yes we actually told them who we are and they could see
some of us but they wouldn't listen they wouldn't listen they were much interested in the resources instead of the people we've been there for generations but but everybody who came was more interested in the resources yeah yeah that's it mm-hmm that's that's it you said
God is alive on earth now oh yes all right um it's time I'm so glad I got a hold of you and um I hope the whole world is listening well a good part of it is yes um God the creator of heaven and earth and everything we see in heaven and on earth and the world beyond is now on earth how long has he been here
he been on earth since 1918 since 1918 yes he's been revealed to to certain
uh wise men or some because this when got before he manifested he actually was born in Nigeria um he revealed himself to some nuns in a in a in the Vatican in the Vatican yes that would make him um physiologically 80 years old now right almost almost 80 years old yes almost um and be sure he's not and be sure he's not coming to die he's not he's gonna
live with mankind forever he's not coming at this end time to die or at this time of his advent in the world he's coming to be with mankind forever um how what does this what does this what does God look like God is just like he looks he's a human he looks he's a human being yes just like the first time
art bell
Christ came to the world you know he was a Jew well I guess when I'm asking this what I mean is okay does he look like an 80 year old man um not much no so he does not look like he's aging no to 80 no no No.
No.
unidentified
The thing is believing, I hope one day you will go make a trip to Calaver and see what I'm just telling you.
art bell
I would love to travel to your country.
I had plans to travel to your country, but I was told it is just too dangerous right now.
unidentified
Nothing is going to happen in Nigeria.
We had a civil war, so there's not going to be any fight.
art bell
No fighting.
unidentified
Yeah, what did you see in Nigeria is just police action.
And the Holy Spirit is trying to take control over Nigeria.
The physical Nigeria is dead.
What you see is going on now, because Nigeria used to be a place you could live and enjoy life, and you can't grow up to be somebody, but everything fell into the bad hands, so they messed up the country.
So it's about time the Holy Spirit, you know, to take over the total control of that country.
So not only Nigeria, the world I'm talking about.
art bell
Why do you believe this?
It is a man, yes?
It seems to be a human man.
unidentified
Yes, just like the Christ came before.
art bell
Okay.
Why do you believe him to be God?
unidentified
Right.
I called Calabar today.
This message I'm just telling you now, and the whole listeners, wherever they're listening, this message comes from the throne of God.
I'm not making up this story.
I'm nobody.
I'm nothing.
art bell
I'm asking you why you believe that this is God.
Why do you believe it?
unidentified
Because he is.
and the time is up for the people to know that's why he has sent This message to the whole world to know that he has arrived.
He has arrived.
I'm going to go into details because there's so much I wish we would have time to cover.
art bell
That's fine.
No, we have time.
But Xiong, I want to ask you why you believe it.
Why do you believe it?
What has he done to make you believe he is God?
unidentified
He is among his chosen people.
These people, the Calaba people in Nigeria, these are the chosen people of God.
And if God is among them, he will not hide himself.
He will certainly reveal himself to the people.
These are the people God is going to use, his own elect.
From this very tribe, this holy tribe is going to use to rule this world.
art bell
What is the name of this tribe?
unidentified
These tribes comprise of the Calabar, the Calabarians.
art bell
Calabarians.
unidentified
Yes, Calabarians.
And if you drive by the coast, we have the Calabarians.
If you go by 200 miles up, these people are the Edomites.
art bell
The Edomites.
Okay.
Again, I want to ask you, how has this man proven to you that he is God?
Why do you believe this?
Why?
Just because he said it?
Has he shown you anything that made you believe it?
unidentified
Yeah, I'm coming to that.
art bell
Okay.
Okay.
unidentified
Everything about him is in the scripture, even though I'm not read the Bible very much.
We know from the Holy Bible about him that before he even was born into this tribe in Nigeria, everything was foretold.
He's foretold in the Bible about his coming, second coming.
And we have passages here in the Bible that actually document or indicate that this man is truly God.
And not only that, there are passages too that indicate that when God comes at this last Advent, he will be wearing a white garment.
art bell
A white garment, yes.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, a red garment.
I'm sorry.
art bell
A red garment.
unidentified
So, if you go there, what I'm telling you, you will see it for yourself.
He's there wearing a red garment day and night preaching among his people.
And he has one other garment that he is preserving for one day.
That's the day he's going to judge the whole world.
There are passages in the Bible I can give you.
art bell
Okay, I know that there are passages in the Bible about the second coming of our Lord.
But how, what I guess I must ask you is why you believe that these passages refer to this man.
unidentified
Because he is, first I told you, he's among his chosen people.
And secondly, this tribe, you know, the Edomites and the Israelites, we know who we are, where we came from, the promise God made to our own great-great-great-grandparents, our father Abraham, Jacob, that when he comes back, he will be among us.
And that's why he is among us, and we know him.
We believe him.
Anytime he says something, he makes a pronouncement, so-so-so is going to happen, it's going to happen.
All right?
art bell
So you are saying then, for maybe 70 years, or for how long have these tribes known that this man is God?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
How long?
unidentified
Oh, even before our great-great-grandparents, you know, I'm just, I'm about 50 years of age.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Okay.
Other people who were, my great-great-grandparents, my father, the rest who were before us knew the same.
So he's been passing from generation to generation till he actually manifests in person.
So we just worship and believe he is the one.
art bell
And he says he is the one.
unidentified
Oh, what did You know, the message I'm just revealing to you is something that I don't know what to say, but it's a most profound revelation that ever been made in the entire universe.
art bell
You told me that Israel, the nation of Israel, sent a delegation.
November of last year.
And what did they conclude?
unidentified
There are some people in that nation who were day and night praying for the I don't know if you are familiar with that.
Yes.
Trying to fulfill the prophecy at the end time, many, many lost tribes will be returning to the state of Israel.
So, you know, and God, God is not, I don't think God is sitting down quietly.
This man I'm just telling you about, he knows his children wherever they are because he made that promise at the end time, everybody.
And I don't, we don't even, the state of Israel, we still think that after the year 2000, they themselves will be moving to Nigeria.
art bell
All right.
On that note, hold it right there.
We're coming to the bottom of the hour break.
My guest is Itse Yong Sam.
He's Nigerian.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 3, 1998.
Coast to Coast AM from August 3, 1998.
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Don't say that you love me!
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Tonight, an on-core presentation of Post and Post AM from August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
Ooh, people get so angry.
unidentified
You should read some of the facts that I have here.
art bell
Present them with something that challenges, whether it's baloney or not, what they believe.
And I'm telling you, they go totally, absolutely crackers bananas.
That's it.
unidentified
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You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
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art bell
We are talking now about two tribes, lost tribes.
I believe we're talking about lost tribes of Israel, the Canabarians and the Edomites, I believe.
My guest is a Nigerian, Zion Sam, and he says God is here on earth and now alive, and he is in one of these tribes.
Is he in the Calabarians or the Edomites?
unidentified
Oh, he's at Calaba.
The people at the Edomite who were up north a little bit?
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah, we just speak the same language, and we're almost the same people.
art bell
Why are you now in America?
unidentified
I'm here to write a script.
You know, sometimes we see what is going on in the world, how beautiful the events are going on in the world.
So we want everybody to know that the time is up.
The time is up.
There's no time to joke.
Everybody should, whatever, they should change their ways and know that time is up for everybody.
art bell
All right.
Look, let me ask you this.
Are you saying, so that I understand, that you are one of the lost tribes of Israel?
That is correct.
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
And you're saying Israel sent a delegation in November of last year.
And you're saying God is alive and God is with your people.
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
And he has said and is saying that time is up.
Can you tell us what will happen?
unidentified
Everybody will feel it.
Wherever you are, even if you are living inside the ground, whether you live in the moon, wherever.
Every human race, every creation of God will feel this change.
It's going to be a significant change.
Things human beings never witnessed before.
art bell
Can you give me some details?
Do you know any details?
unidentified
It's more spiritual.
Everybody will see him, will feel him, and he will affect the physical world we are living in.
art bell
In what way?
unidentified
In terms of disaster, some storms that man had never seen before.
The effect will be unbelievable.
It will be terrible.
And the judgment coming is going to be a spiritual judgment.
Every human race, even fishes in the water, the birds of the air, every living thing will feel this significant change.
So bring this to the entire universe.
There's no time.
People are still looking up in the sky, looking that Christ is going to crash land from the sky.
It's not going to happen that way.
It didn't happen before.
So it's not going to happen this time.
God doesn't do his own thing the way we human beings do.
He came at the first adventure through the womb of a woman and the same thing happened this time.
It's for us now to wake up and know that the time is hot for human beings to change and stop all the bad things been going on in the universe for generations.
That we're going to give account of every action, everything that we do in our life.
We're going to give account of it.
So I come and put this message through you because I've been struggling.
I struggled all the way.
Tried to get a hold of you when you were in Egypt and could not.
So I came right back here and so that everybody could see you actually tried to get hold of me in Egypt when I was there.
Oh yes.
We you know your radio talk show is the only station we know is dedicating to the events, the stuff.
You talk about things that interest us and we know this would be the best avenue for us to send this message to the whole world.
art bell
I guess you just missed me.
I had just left Egypt when you got hold of me.
unidentified
Yeah, that's what I was told.
That's what I was told.
art bell
Do you understand that it's very hard for people to accept what you're saying?
unidentified
It's difficult.
art bell
Yeah, difficult.
unidentified
It's very, very difficult.
It's been like that before.
If you look at the events prior to when God destroyed the first war we've heard about, nobody believes.
art bell
It's true, no, it's true.
Is Young, are you selling anything?
unidentified
What I'm selling is this.
God is on earth.
art bell
Oh, I understand that.
No, I meant, are you selling anything?
unidentified
Books?
No, I'm not.
I have a lot of things that publications that I can send to whoever is interested.
Because what I'm telling you, we have everything outlined.
We have books that we publish about his second coming.
Yeah, we have books here about his second coming.
The tribe he was foretold, prophesied that he will manifest at this end time.
Then there are other documents about the lost tribes.
And yeah, I have a few things that might help enlighten whosoever is interested.
art bell
This is a very hard interview for me, Esion, because I have no way of knowing except by your faith and your word what you say is true.
You say that the events will begin in a very short time, very few months, you say now.
unidentified
You know, between now and the year 2000, we don't have so much.
art bell
10 months or so.
unidentified
About 18 months.
art bell
So the end of the millennium is the end.
unidentified
That's it.
That's it.
art bell
Storms, earthquakes, earth changes, what?
unidentified
Yes, those are going to happen, but individual person, the person, every person, whether a child, black, white, everybody would stand before the Holy Spirit and give account of his deeds.
No person on the face of this earth will escape this judgment.
art bell
Is Young, when Jesus walked on earth, he did things that no man can do.
And by this, we knew him to be as no other man.
Has this man that you call God done things like that?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
Can you give me examples?
unidentified
Oh, some people have been there with no eyesight.
Immediately he makes a pronouncement.
Go.
All is well with you.
A blind has seen, a deaf has spoken.
Oh, those people who have died, who have given up been raised from the dead, there have been a lot of things.
art bell
Wait a minute.
You have seen people rise from the dead?
unidentified
Yes.
This is a wonderful one.
See, you know, in 1986, some people from this country, the government of this country, visited Calaba to tell you what is going on.
And they came there and saw the Holy Father.
And he received them, talked to them, you know.
And see, they came back and hid this.
I don't know why they're hiding this message to, you know, up till today.
They could have revealed this stuff to the whole world.
This is very, in Europe, some of the countries in Europe, this is not a hidden fact.
Some of the countries is more, the news has spread wide, very, you know, unlike.
And to come to the miracles that Christ did, the Holy Father at this Advent has a different mission.
This is what I want to let you know.
art bell
I understand that.
unidentified
He's coming this time.
He's not to walk around from house to house, preaching, healing, doing all this stuff that Christ did.
No, that is a long, that mission has been accomplished.
At this end time, he's coming solely for one purpose, to judge mankind.
art bell
To judge mankind.
unidentified
That's it.
He's not coming to walk from house to house, preach from synagogue, from synagogue to synagogue.
No.
When the law is changed, the priesthood is changed, that had been done, had been accomplished.
This is a different mission for him.
To judge human beings, to change human beings, and to establish his kingdom.
That's all.
art bell
I take it then that there is no hope that this will not happen.
This judgment, you're saying.
unidentified
This is what had been ordained to happen.
Whether people believe it or not, it does not change anything.
art bell
Many people will not believe this.
Of course, many people will not believe this.
unidentified
Of course, I know, too.
art bell
This man who you say is God, does he have black skin?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
He does?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
That will help many people not believe it.
unidentified
Of course.
You're right.
You're right.
You're very, very right there.
art bell
But I don't rule it out.
I don't rule out anything, Yisong.
You believe this with all your heart.
unidentified
know this is true i wouldn't come to this is this is the It goes through a lot of countries in the whole universe.
I wouldn't come here and make this kind of statement because I know and we know that this is going to happen.
And this man is the promised Messiah.
And he has come with a new name.
He's not coming back to bear the same name, Jesus the Christ.
He had accomplished that mission and is done.
Before he left, he even said when he comes back, he will have a new name.
He himself alone knows.
art bell
Yes, and what name is he known by?
unidentified
His name is Olumba.
art bell
Olumba.
unidentified
Olumba Obu.
art bell
Olumba, I'm sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, go ahead.
art bell
Olumba Baru.
unidentified
Olumba.
It's two Olumba.
And the last name is Obu.
art bell
Obu.
unidentified
Yes.
This is the new name of God.
Olumba Obu.
art bell
And you have personally, with your own eyes, seen these miracles performed.
unidentified
I'm not talking about thousands.
People from all over the world have been going.
Even Americans, some Americans here know what I'm talking about.
art bell
Maybe they do.
I'm sorry that I don't.
I've not heard of this.
unidentified
Yes, I understand.
I've seen it happen.
I've heard it.
I've seen it.
And the document, I have a documentary of all most of the stuff that has been going on among these people.
art bell
Is that why you're in America to bring this word?
Is that why you're here?
unidentified
Yes.
I have two things I'm doing here.
I told you earlier, that I'm writing a script to submit to some agencies here in Hollywood so that they can make a movie about the end time.
And secondly, I had a call from Calaba today.
Before, we were not allowed to reveal a message like this.
The remaining reason this message has been authorized to be revealed because the time is up.
art bell
And is that the message?
unidentified
Yes, is this message that I've just given to the world today, that the time is up.
art bell
That the time is up.
unidentified
And that God is here on earth.
art bell
And that God is here now.
unidentified
It's very difficult, especially, like you just said, you know, being in a black...
You see, the way of God is not like that of, you know, we human beings.
That's the situation.
That has always been the problem with human beings.
They expect things to be the way they themselves, you know, liked it to be.
But God does not do his own things that way.
art bell
Is this a general belief among the Calabarians and the Edomites, or do some not believe?
unidentified
Well, some do not.
Oh, many.
Many do not.
art bell
Many do not.
unidentified
Yeah.
You see, if God does not reveal himself, even among his people, you know, like before when Christ came in the first advent, many did not believe him.
art bell
That's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
So the same thing is at this time, you know.
So, but will that stop what is going to happen from happening?
No.
art bell
How long are you going to be in the United States?
unidentified
Oh, I'll probably here till December or sometime early next year.
I will be going back.
You know, I talked with Richard.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
I called him today.
I talked to him.
And you see the coincidence.
He's making a trip in December to Nigeria.
So I told him, oh my goodness, you've got to see this.
You've got to come to this area.
If he comes there, I will take him over there.
I would be glad to go with him.
art bell
Have there been any film crews that have gone to Nigeria to film this person who calls himself God?
unidentified
not probably from Europe probably the degrees the I know of them we have some people from the this country Greece but individually people from Europe Romania England other countries like that have
art bell
No, not so much from the U.S. Well, all I can say to you is that I have listened to what you said, and I don't know that I can believe, and I don't know that I don't believe.
I don't know what to think, Zion.
I'm being honest with you right now.
I don't know what to think.
unidentified
The reason I want you to, you know, you can find out, you know, this for yourself.
You mentioned that you're going to South Africa in October or something.
art bell
I am, yes.
unidentified
You can stop over in Nigeria.
The man is there will receive you.
art bell
And then how would I know when I see?
How would I know?
Would I see him do something that regular men cannot do?
How would I know?
unidentified
Well, that's a little difficult for me.
Because really, if you're going to ask him, are you God?
He's not going to tell you nothing.
He probably won't tell you anything.
But he probably will take a little, you know, from one thing to another.
If he gives you his audience, which I hope he will.
Believe me, as I'm talking to you now, he hears what we are talking about.
That we are talking about him.
And he might do wonderful things.
You know, one man from India, there was a man from India who came there, oh, a couple of years, I think in 1974.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
When this man went there, he refused to enter the hall.
Then people beckoned on him, come on, come, come and see the father.
The man, he was trying to run away.
He said, don't you see that consuming fire?
What are you guys doing?
He was scared.
Behold, this man, you know, there are some people who have maybe they have the eyes to see things beyond our own physical realm.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
So he saw him, instead of the man of this Ulumba, he saw a bowl of fire.
art bell
All right.
As young, I am going to think about coming to Nigeria.
And you are going to be here for a while yet.
So I am going to think about what you have had to say tonight.
And I will have you on again at some point.
unidentified
At any time, I would.
art bell
Please do that, all right?
And I will pursue this.
I'll pursue it, all right?
unidentified
I'm so glad you will.
art bell
All right, my friend.
Thank you, and good night.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
The End
You're listening to our bell somewhere inside.
Tonight we join every playup post-it post aim from August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
If you've just joined us at this hour, I'm sorry.
Most of you will have heard the last hour, which was, to say the least, unusual.
A very serious man, a Nigerian named Isyong Sam, was here.
Its Yong Sam has been searching for me for some time, tried to get me when I was in Egypt, and just missed me, and now is in this country, and he found me through my network.
Now, if you're just joining right now, it's going to sound very strange.
Is Yong Sam is from the Caliburians.
This is a tribe in southern Nigeria, near the coast, just north of the Cameroon border.
If you have a map.
There are two tribes there, the Calaburians and the Edomites.
Isyong Sam claims that these tribes are the lost tribes of Israel.
He further claims that God is alive on earth now.
That God has been alive on earth since 1918 and now would be physiologically about 80 years of age.
His name is Olumba Obu.
Now, I know all of this is an awful lot to get hit with if you're just joining the show.
Frankly, it's an awful lot to get hit with even if you were listening to last hour.
But this man sounds very serious.
I gave him an opportunity to peddle stuff or sell stuff, and he said, well, there are some publications they have made.
But didn't give me any numbers and didn't try any hard sell or any sell at all.
We gave out no numbers.
I listened for an hour.
He said that he received a message from Nigeria, from Alumbu Abu, earlier today that the end is at hand.
That in other words, that Judgment Day lies no more than 10 months off, 18 at the outside.
And that there will be a worldwide judgment.
That God is a man of black skin on earth now?
Now I know.
Believe me, I know.
I know what your reaction is like, but I explore these kinds of things.
As you well know, I explore things with an open mind, and I'm exploring this with an open mind.
There is an invitation for me to go and meet this man.
Now, it was said that he has done miracles, as did Christ when he was on earth.
It has been said, I was told by Is Yong-sam that Israel has sent a delegation to meet with this man who says he is God.
I don't exactly know what the resolution of that was, but if the Israelis did it, then they must be pretty serious about the possibility of the degree they would go and investigate.
It is an interesting story, and who is to say, of course, that God is not here.
Not me.
It could be.
I repeat, it could be.
In a moment, I'm going to sort of punctuate this last hour's interview.
Stay right where you are.
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Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
Smart idea?
I would love to see that happen.
A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
What better targets than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
Now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell
This will be a bit of a surprise for you.
Let's punctuate last hour's interesting information.
That's what I'm going to call it right now, interesting.
Because anything under the sun is possible.
Here is Richard C. Hoagland.
Hi, Richard.
richard c hoagland
Good evening, Art.
art bell
Good evening.
What do you know about all this?
richard c hoagland
Well, this is rather serendipitous.
One of my favorite words.
Remember the three princes of serendip?
art bell
Yes.
richard c hoagland
The discovery of unexpected and wondrous things?
art bell
Yes.
richard c hoagland
Our friend E. Young, and it's pronounced with an F, not an S, I made the mistake because his English is excellent, but there are little things that slip through sometimes.
Efeong Sam called me this afternoon.
Now what makes it so remarkable is not his story, which we'll talk about in a second, but the fact that unbeknownst to anybody, we are carefully looking into the possibility of taking a group of people to Africa toward the end of the year as part of my quest on this ancient ritual Egyptian calendar.
art bell
Yes.
richard c hoagland
And Ephaion's people, this so-called lost tribe of Israel, actually historically can be traced back to Egypt.
And I'm sitting here holding a book by Robert Temple, Bob Temple, who wrote The Serious Mystery.
And there is a whole chapter devoted to tracing were the ancient Egyptians, the black Egyptians who some scholars now really believe were the progenitors of what we see along the Nile in their migrations out of Egypt, across the Sahara, down through West Africa, ultimately down to the coast of Nigeria.
So that's the part that I didn't have a problem with.
What I had a problem with was the synchronicity of, I mean, no one knows that we're even looking at this.
I tried to get hold of you earlier today to invite you and Ramona to be part of this.
art bell
Now, you're telling me that before you heard from my guests last hour, you were preparing to organize.
richard c hoagland
We've been looking seriously into this for about the last week.
I mean, really seriously.
art bell
And you were going to Africa to look for, let's not mince words, the Messiah?
richard c hoagland
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to Africa.
I may be.
I mean, nothing is firm yet.
We're just considering this.
art bell
Yes.
richard c hoagland
To look at the origins of this ritual calendar, which have a very important date at the end of the year.
art bell
Well, what I recall, Richard, is that in a certain chamber in Egypt, you had a report of a figure of a black man holding an ankh.
Do you remember?
richard c hoagland
Looking up that shaft toward Orion.
art bell
Orion, that's right.
richard c hoagland
And one of my visions is to have the right group of people standing on that plateau at the time at the end of the year when these alignments all work, according to the computer calculations we've been doing now for the last couple of years.
And out of the blue, as I'm working on this and thinking about who I'd like to have along, like Graham and you and some people by maybe Bob Temple, this guy calls, E. Young Sam and says, have I got a story for you?
Now, I am intrigued with synchronicities.
The physics.
art bell
Now, I had no idea.
He said during the interview, he talked to Richard, and I wasn't even Sure, which Richard he meant until I got a fact from you a few minutes ago.
I kind of let it go.
You just said I called Richard.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
And I let it go.
But it obviously was you.
richard c hoagland
Oh, yes.
No question.
I mean, when was the last time you got a call from somebody from Africa who's on a quest to get Hollywood to take seriously the story of the black Messiah and the, quote, end of times?
I am in the synchronicity.
art bell
Never.
I've never had that.
Never.
richard c hoagland
Well, I have asked this individual.
art bell
And you know what, Richard?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
Normally, to be honest with you, even I would have blown this off, but there was something about this man's demeanor.
His very, very, very serious demeanor.
richard c hoagland
Well, now keep in mind that Nigeria, according to the expertise that I've been drawing upon, is the heart and soul of more con games on the Western world than any other place on our country.
art bell
No question about it.
There are faxes that come from Nigeria.
They try to con all kinds of things in Nigeria.
richard c hoagland
And they're very efficient.
I mean, documents can be made up.
They can look so official and all that.
But you're right.
There was something different.
And the different part is I know historically that this tribe has a derivation back to where he claims it does.
That's one.
Number two, the synchronicity of him calling just as we're looking into this, even before I was able to let you know.
And, you know, I'm a curious person.
I want to pursue this because there is a hidden side of Africa and Egypt that this trip could bring out.
There is a timing here that is extraordinary and connected to all the research we've done all the way back to Mars, whose time has come.
You know, this audience, the people who are listening to us tonight have been part of this unfolding saga.
And this is kind of like a whole new plateau that if things work right, we'll be able to invite some of your audience on this trip.
But the timing of this individual, the way I look at things is that there are times when a signal presents itself and you should probably pay attention.
Now, I don't yet know what the signal is trying to tell us, but I'm going to pursue it like it's an honest signal, and he's going to send me documentation, and I have sources I can call upon to find out more.
There are archaeologists and anthropologists who have worked with this tribe, which, by the way, is derivation of the Dagon up further north toward the Sahara.
art bell
Yes.
richard c hoagland
And we know they have a real history.
Bob Temple has done a stunning job in the book he published in 76 called The Sirius Mystery.
Well, Sirius is heart and soul of what we're figuring out, this ancient Egyptian ritual calendar, which has shown up now in extraordinary places, like in the heart of NASA.
So I am intrigued about the synchronicity.
If I was asked for a, quote, rational or logical explanation, I would say this is the hyperdimensional physics in the consciousness mode at work.
As Mark Twain would say, when it's steamboat time, you steam.
So I'm going to follow the signal and we'll let everyone know where it leads.
No decisions yet.
art bell
Yeah, all I guess I can say is I think that if I were in the presence of God or Messiah, I think I would know it.
But I'm not sure, Richard.
I'm not sure.
If I were to go to Africa and I were to get an audience with this Abu, I have a feeling that if he was who he says he is, I would know that.
But I'm not sure.
How about you?
richard c hoagland
I honestly don't know, but I'm intrigued enough with this synchronicity that I'm going to pursue more information.
art bell
Yeah, okay.
Well, we'll leave it there.
I really don't know why I was compelled to put the guy on the air.
It was just something about my brief conversation with him earlier that made me think, I don't know, there's something here.
richard c hoagland
Well, let's pursue it with an open mind and make no decisions, because obviously there's a lot of ways you can reference what he's describing without getting all the way to the ultimate explanation.
art bell
Sure.
richard c hoagland
To me, it's the synchronicity.
It's almost like there's an important part of history that maybe this tribe has to tell the world, has to tell all of us, and we should be humble enough to keep asking the right questions, making no decisions yet.
art bell
But this was, in other words, you're saying there was a complete behind-the-scenes investigation that you were conducting, secret, health.
richard c hoagland
Absolutely.
art bell
There was no communication with this cell I just put on the air.
richard c hoagland
None.
And when you came on tonight and at the top of the show, the part that a lot of the country doesn't hear, announced that you were planning to go to Africa and you had considered seriously Nigeria, that was an even further level of asynchronicity.
art bell
Well, as you well know, that part of the world is not exactly really calm.
unidentified
No, no.
richard c hoagland
No, and I would be very careful before I actually decided to go there.
In fact, one of the things that we have decided not to do, based on expert advice that I've been getting, is not to go there.
Even before this phone call took place, if I had ever wanted to go to Nigeria, I wouldn't go this year because of the unrest.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
I've come really close to saying I want to go anyway.
I got advised against it.
Even the State Department now is advising against doing such a thing.
But, of course, this is a very strong reason to want to go.
Oh, man, life is so strange.
All right.
Hey, by the way, while I'm Dodge Online, even though this is just a short visit, what else is new?
richard c hoagland
Oh, gosh.
Well, I'm really focused on trying to organize this.
Obviously, something of this magnitude, given that we have about six months, is not easy to put together.
Through another synchronous set of meetings, I met exactly the right individual to help me Craft this, and without that expertise, I wouldn't even begin to consider something crazy like this.
I used to do, as you may or may not know, cruises in one of my former lives.
Between my Cronkite years and my Hayden years, I took a ship on the voyage beyond Apollo.
It was the last Apollo mission to the moon, and I took a whole bunch of people, Bob Heinlein and Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov, and, you know, Catherine Ann Porter was on the ship.
And I took this ship down, and we anchored offshore, and we followed the last Apollo through the Caribbean, winding up at Arecibo, having a picnic on the banks of Arecibo when the astronauts of Apollo 17 were walking on the moon to basically try to put into context, even before it closed, what the Apollo era meant to humankind.
And then much later, I was privileged to borrow the QE2 to chase the comet Kahotec.
art bell
How do you borrow the QE2?
richard c hoagland
Well, you know people.
art bell
And you pay a lot of money, I think.
richard c hoagland
No, no, this was absolutely no money.
And I've been very lucky in being able to borrow neat things to do neat things with.
That's part of what I guess.
art bell
Well, the only person I could imagine that could borrow the QE2 for no money would be Alumba Abu, not Richard C. Hoagland.
richard c hoagland
Well, I've done this, and it's in the forward to my book, and, you know, it's in our biography and all that.
Anyway, that was a pretty amazing event because I had Carl Sagan on board, and I had Ken Franklin, who was one of the discoverers, and my boss at the Hayton at that time, he was one of the discoverers of the radio emission from Jupiter.
And one of the really neat things was to stand on the stern of the greatest ship in the world and pick up the telephone because they have these little things sitting back there with telephones to the bridge and calling the captain and asking him, could you please move 20 points to port, sir, so we can move the plume off the comet?
unidentified
And he did.
richard c hoagland
So it's been a while since I've done one of these, and I want to take a group of people, the right mix of people from our audience, as well as some other people, kind of movers and shakers, and take them to the Middle East toward the end of the year to on-site show them, with the pyramids in the background, the things we have talked about in a more academic vein.
art bell
Well, you know, in January, there's a great big thing.
A boss is trying to talk me into it, and I'm getting pressure from all kinds of quarters right now to show up in Egypt in January.
richard c hoagland
Well, they'll be there at the end of the year into January.
art bell
Yeah, you know what's going on over there in January.
unidentified
Yes.
richard c hoagland
And I wanted you and Ramona to come with, and I wanted to do the show from there.
And Graham's going to be part of it, and some other interesting people.
art bell
I know everybody under the sun who's anybody is going to be part of this.
richard c hoagland
And it's the calendar is predicting it.
This is why this ritual calendar that Ron and I have been working on is so crucial.
And a lot of things that have been puzzles will come clear.
And it's going to be a splendid adventure.
And it will also bring some enlightenment to things we've talked about that will finally have real solidity.
But in the midst of all this, I get this call from this guy.
And then he winds up on your show.
Now, when he talked to me, he didn't tell me that you were going to be interviewing him tonight.
art bell
He probably didn't know.
richard c hoagland
So we're talking about a series of interesting synchronicities.
And given the lineage of this tribe, and given our ability to confirm this through Robert Temple's work, I'm intrigued enough to follow the signal.
Now, do I believe there's a Messiah sitting in Nigeria?
No, not yet.
But I do believe there's something we should pay attention to here, and that's enough for me.
That's what curiosity and science are all about.
art bell
All right, my friend.
Let us stay in touch, as always.
We'll do a show soon.
richard c hoagland
Okay.
art bell
It was just interesting.
It really was, as you point out, rather synchronistic that he would have contacted you somehow, and then he showed up on my show.
I mean, I blow off a million people like that.
richard c hoagland
Yes.
art bell
You know, who I would just consider total BS.
But there was something about him, and there still is.
Richard, thanks.
richard c hoagland
Thank you, sir.
art bell
Could God be a black man in a lost tribe in Africa, just north of Cameroon in Nigeria?
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
art bell
I don't know.
We're going to break here at the bottom of the arrow.
When we come back, we'll be in open lines, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
Coast to Coast AM from August
3rd, 1998.
Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
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Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
The night's program originally aired August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
Good morning, everybody.
It is strange, isn't it?
I was actually planning a trip into Nigeria.
I've been planning this for a while now.
Let me read this to you from the State Department, all right?
Nigeria Travel Warning.
The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the dangers of travel to Nigeria.
Nigeria has limited tourist facilities and poses considerable risks to travelers.
Violent crime practiced by persons in police and military uniforms, as well as by ordinary criminals, is an acute problem now in the country.
Use of public transportation throughout Nigeria, including taxis, is dangerous.
Nigerian airlines have aging fleets, and the U.S. Embassy is concerned that maintenance and operational procedures may be inadequate to ensure passenger safety.
Business charity and other scam target foreigners worldwide and pose danger of financial loss.
Recipients pursuing such fraudulent offers risk physical harm if they come to Nigeria.
and that uh...
that pretty well sums up the uh...
state department warning on nigeria and yet and yet i was And so this comes, as Richard would say, rather synchronistically.
I wonder if God was on earth and you were in his presence, you would understand without further need of proof, knowledge, hard proof that you were in the presence of our Lord.
I don't know.
I'm just going to leave that whole thing where it is right now, and you can draw your own conclusions.
We're about to go to open lines.
Listen, there is a photograph on my website right now, unlike any that you have ever seen in your whole life.
I make no warranties about it non-zero.
I don't know where it came from.
Actually, I guess we do.
We have the fellow's name who sent it and an email address.
Hopefully it's a good one.
But this picture is, it's indescribable.
It's probably was at one time a human being, maybe.
I don't know.
All I can say is you go take a look and you tell me I don't have the slightest idea what it is we're looking at.
I not the slightest idea.
I'm sure in good time we're going to find out.
Somebody will find out where this photograph came from, what it is, and blah, blah, blah.
But for now, we don't know.
And so it just says, what is this?
You know, I mean, go up to the website and click on it, take a look for yourself.
You look at it and you go, oh, my God, what is this?
No answer.
The news from Australia is very, very serious.
Sydney's water contamination crisis that forced millions of residents of Australia's largest city to boil tap water has been rather serious.
Now it seems like it's ending, and they're now saying the water may be free of parasites, which caused severe diarrhea.
And we're talking about millions of people now.
We're getting more and more warnings like this from more and more places.
It's really odd.
So the report we had the other day on the air from Australia, by the way, was absolutely accurate.
Absolutely accurate.
In the meantime, any of you who have seen, by the way, this photograph, please call in and tell me what you think it is that we're dealing with here.
In Kentucky, surgeons are poised to attempt the first transplant of a human hand from a cadaver to a human being.
I'm not kidding you.
I know it sounds like something from Frankenstein, but it is not.
Surgeons at Jewish Hospital there in Louisville, Kentucky feel there is a better than 50% chance that they can successfully transplant a hand from a cadaver to a living human and that within four to five weeks of surgery,
the person will have full movement and that with more time, a complete feeling as the nerves connect.
Don't we live in strange times?
And one other thing, I want to give Sean David Morton some credit.
Now, we repeated last night.
Some of you may have heard it.
Think about this.
Art, the last time Sean David Morton was on coast to coast, which happened to be repeated fortuitously last night, he predicted that President Clinton's ultimate fall from grace would begin August 17th.
He made that prediction, folks.
Now, guess when Clinton is scheduled to begin testifying before the grand jury?
You've got it.
August 17th.
Looks like Sean may have nailed it again.
Gary in Las Vegas.
And Gary, you're exactly right.
Undeniable.
We have it recorded.
The date of the beginning of testimony was just announced.
Intriguing.
On my international line, you are on the air.
unidentified
Yeah, hi, Art.
Hello.
My name is Frank.
I'm in Alberta, Canada.
art bell
Hello, Frank.
Welcome to the program.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm actually up here from the Seattle area, and I'm also a searcher for Richard.
art bell
Yes.
For Richard Hoodlin, yes, I just had on the air.
unidentified
Right, and I just want to say hello to Richard.
I'm up here actually in pardon vacation, also doing some research for Richard.
I'm heading, well actually tomorrow I'm heading up a gondola at Banff.
I'm actually at Banff in Alberta.
But what I'm doing is I'm headed up to a museum that's actually in Tyrell.
It's in Drum Hiller.
It's a Tyrell Museum on Dinosaurs.
art bell
Dinosaurs.
unidentified
Right.
And I'm working on a project for Richard in connection with dinosaurs he may talk about on some future show.
art bell
Okay, obviously this is something he is not yet prepared to talk about publicly.
unidentified
Well, I think he will shortly.
Also, I was with Graham Hancock here in Seattle a couple weeks back, and I noticed you just had this guest on from Africa.
I didn't actually hear that part.
My understanding from talking to Graham is that he was doing some studies a while back on the Lost Tribe of Israel and also the Lost Ark of the Covenant, which is supposed to be in that area.
Well, in Ethiopia.
art bell
Ethiopia.
unidentified
And it's called Oxum.
art bell
Right.
unidentified
And Ethiopia is where it is, supposedly on a guarded type of chapel there.
So this may also have a connection, you know, in what's going on in Nigeria, perhaps.
I don't know.
art bell
Don't ask me why I put this man on the air.
Listen, I appreciate your call.
Thank you.
I just, there was something about him.
That's all.
unidentified
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Now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell
This is, I think, the day before the last announcement.
I'm about to end the autograph.
I have two books.
One is called The Art of Talk.
It's a brand new book.
And it is an autobiography.
It's about my life.
Pictures of my parents and pictures of me when I was a baby.
Some of them rather embarrassing.
But mostly it's about talk radio, my life in talk radio, and it has been revised.
It's a beautiful book, and it's about to go into the bookstores nationwide.
And as you know, I have another book called The Quickening, and it was a New York Times bestseller list.
Both of these books, for about the next day, in other words, I'm about to say the end.
I kind of look at how many books I have to sign, and I'm making a decision.
And probably tomorrow night, I'm going to announce the end.
On my international line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Well, hi, Art.
This is Eric.
I'm calling from Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Canada.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
And I just wanted to comment.
I was trying to get on earlier to warn you about how Nigeria is fraught with costs.
art bell
Oh, everybody knows there's all kinds of fraud over there.
But you know something?
From such an area, don't imagine that such a thing could not occur.
unidentified
Well, I mean, I have no way of really knowing, but it sounds like the fellow has some kind of messiah complex, perhaps, or something.
art bell
No, he's not.
Well, you mean the fellow in Nigeria.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
I see.
Could be.
unidentified
Just a thought.
And I was glad to hear that Richard, as usual, came through and called in.
I would love to be able to ask Richard some questions about some of the things that he commented about.
Was it the Mars Global Surveyor?
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
He mentioned something about the camera, its range of sensitivity and so on.
And I wanted to ask some questions about that.
art bell
Unfortunately, we'll have Richard on, as I said earlier, doing a full show soon, so you can ask then.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
Thanks.
art bell
Thank you, and take care.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Morning, Art.
art bell
Good morning.
unidentified
This is Kyle Apollo from Fort Worth.
Listen on to you on 570 KLIF.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Okay, I'm just wondering, that person that called out that spear that supposedly pierced Jesus?
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
Well, supposedly it's in the basement of a castle in Nuremberg, Germany.
And also, I was wondering, what are the possibilities, if any, of you ever going prime time?
art bell
This is prime time for me.
unidentified
It is?
art bell
Yeah, I love this time.
I wouldn't.
Look, you couldn't drag me to the daytime.
unidentified
You couldn't?
art bell
Nope.
unidentified
All right, I work rotating shifts as a police officer, and I would love to catch you during the day sometime.
art bell
The people, look, people during the day would not understand me.
They wouldn't understand this show.
They wouldn't understand what we do.
unidentified
All right, I believe people would love to hear you 24-7 if you could ever manage it.
art bell
Well, I thank you for the vote of confidence.
That's very nice.
But again, it's my view that this program belongs precisely where it is in the nighttime, and I don't want to change that.
On my international line, you are on the air.
unidentified
Hello?
art bell
Hello?
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified
Yes.
I was calling about the photo that you said to take a look at.
art bell
Oh, the photographs?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
All right.
Fine.
What do you think?
unidentified
I deal in graphic arts.
That's my business.
And I looked at it closely.
art bell
Yes, you went right down to the pixel level, I'm sure.
unidentified
Yeah, and it appears to be two feet, two pictures of feet have been laid in over the mass of the whatever the body is.
Well, what is the body?
Well, I would say just by looking at it, coloration and all, that it's possibly a prop.
There was a head to it that looks like it's been removed or brushed out, cut out, because there's a very, very just the way the line is near the top of the head.
art bell
Let me warn you about something, or I guess discuss something with you.
I've put up, over the years now, I've learned, I've put up a gazillion pictures, you know, different pictures of different things.
Some of these photographs, certainly not this one, but some I have known to be absolutely legitimate photographs.
Some of the photographs I've taken myself, my own 35mm camera, and then scanned with my own HP scanner.
Good high-quality scanner.
And no matter what I put up, I get photo experts calling and saying, I looked at line 47, pixel 36, and I can see by the shading here that this is a fake photograph.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
I didn't look at it that precisely.
I just looked at it quickly, and it seems very visible.
I'm sure you could sit down and analyze it closer, but it's kind of sloppy.
It's to that point.
art bell
See, I didn't see that.
I can't see the sloppy part of it.
Maybe you're right.
unidentified
It's just the way they've smudged the pixels around where they laid the feet in.
And the coloration on the feet.
The feet look real.
art bell
Yeah, they do.
the lake or different color Let's say you thought it was genuine.
What would you say we were looking at?
unidentified
Well, it's like an amorphous mass, really.
When I first looked at it, just from your thumbnail, you could tell that it was a foot that didn't lay right.
art bell
That's right, yeah.
unidentified
And then when you click on the larger mass, you know, it just came up, the coloration and all looks too Hollywood to me, like a prop.
art bell
I understand.
unidentified
And that's just by first, you know, just first coloration.
art bell
I understand.
unidentified
There's also an interesting, it seems that there's something on the wall there, a splash mark.
Not really graffiti.
art bell
The same color values as the I thought, I thought that this was some body or something that had fallen from a great height, but there would be blood.
Yeah, no.
Anything that would produce that kind of a whatever it is you want to call the condition of that thing would produce blood all over the place.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
No, I didn't think that it had been compressed by gravity or anything in that manner.
But that's why it looks the way it does.
art bell
All right.
Look, I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
There is no photograph under any conditions, even a legitimate photograph, that you can put up without people claiming it's a fake.
And in some cases, they're correct.
In other cases, they are not correct.
You get down to the pixel level, and you begin to see all kinds of things.
So I'm telling you, this is a bizarre.
This is really, really a bizarre photograph.
So if you can get to a computer, take a look.
We'll leave it up there, I'm sure, for the next 24 hours or more.
is pretty gross.
It's impossible, but it's...
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Oh, hi.
I'm calling from New Orleans.
art bell
New Orleans, yes.
Oh, boy, do we have an echo?
Hold on a sec.
Let me see if I can get rid of the echo.
There, I think that's better.
How's New Orleans?
unidentified
Hot.
art bell
Yeah, hot.
unidentified
It doesn't cool off at night either.
But I wanted to say that the gentleman that was on before from Nigeria?
Yes.
He was a little vague on some things.
And when he said that there was a delegation from Israel, he didn't even give names or who or what.
And I don't know.
art bell
Well, if he had given me names, I wouldn't have known him anyway.
unidentified
Well, I mean, he could have said it was like the government or some rabbis or some Christians.
art bell
I would assume that it was a religious group.
unidentified
If it was anybody in the Jewish part of Israel, they wouldn't have really bothered to gun because what he claims is nothing that Jews would have any interest in.
art bell
Well, here's what I was looking for during the interview.
I asked him, do you have anything to sell?
Remember I asked him that?
unidentified
I took it that he was trying to wait for you to give him the go-ahead.
art bell
I did.
unidentified
Not really.
art bell
Yeah, I did.
unidentified
I said.
art bell
How much more of a go-ahead do you need than do you have anything to sell?
unidentified
It sounded more like a question, but the thing is that, you know, when people say that...
art bell
He knew that the hour was wrapping.
He knew he was going to be off.
And so if he'd have had anything to sell, he'd have whipped out an 800 number.
unidentified
But as far as the Jewish Messiah, it has nothing to do with end times, and it has nothing to do with God coming in human form.
So that's, for a Jewish person, that wouldn't spark any lightning bolts.
Christians view that as, you know, the Messiah is God, and the Messiah has to do with end times, but the Messiah's function was to restore Israel to the Jewish people, and the Jews expect the Messiah to come when there's no need for the Messiah.
art bell
All right.
I appreciate your comments.
I have no way of knowing, and you're welcome to believe whatever you wish to believe.
I have not made up my own mind.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
You're listening to Archball somewhere in time.
featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
Coast AM from August
3rd, 1998.
Coast AM from August
Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
3rd, 1998.
Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
Review Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
The Night's program originally aired August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
Good morning.
It's great to be here.
It's great to be alive in such a strange time, isn't it?
I wonder where it's all going and when.
unidentified
Now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell
The End East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, huh?
Hello.
Well, I'm calling you on West Portland, Maine.
art bell
Portland, Maine, yes, sir.
unidentified
My name is Harold.
I have an interesting question to ask you.
I don't know how you would answer this.
Neither do I. Here we go.
It's a deep philosophical question.
I hear every once in a while you talk about religion and creation and all that.
art bell
Sure.
unidentified
All right.
Here it is.
I know who created me, my parents, two people that love each other very much.
Who or what created God?
art bell
Ah, that's a deep.
unidentified
That's a heavy question, isn't it?
I'd like to hear you ask Father Milakai Martin that question.
I'm telling you, I'd like to see what he would have for an answer.
art bell
Well, let's see what the audience has for an answer.
unidentified
Yeah, another thing.
I, um, excuse me.
I, my father used to work for a church.
He was a sexton.
And such a grew up I'd worked for Canada.
art bell
You know?
unidentified
So, anyways, I used to have some very interesting discussions with these priests.
And I asked that question.
art bell
What did they say?
unidentified
They were shocked.
I got thrown out of his office.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
art bell
I asked, thank you.
I asked some questions like that myself when I used to go to church Sunday school.
And that finally got me tossed out, too.
The one day they finally asked my mom not to bring me back anymore.
unidentified
Questions like that, they don't like questions like that.
art bell
Who created God?
Now, he said, my mom and my dad created me.
Well, in a sense, they reproduced.
And that is an act of creation in a sense of the word.
But I think that I think I don't know how to answer the question myself.
Who created God?
One answer might be that God was not created, that God has always been here and always will be here.
and we are limited by our perception of time another words something One thing happens prior to another, and another thing happens after whatever is happening right now.
We have a linear sense of time.
If you have no sense of time, or if in fact there is no time, or if in fact time is our invention, then there never was an original creation.
Because there would be no time reference for it.
That was a pretty cool answer.
That's the best one I could think of at the moment.
Welcome to the Rockies.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
This is Steve in Rancho Renardo, California.
art bell
Hi, Steve.
unidentified
you want to know the future, huh?
art bell
Well, I don't know if I do or not.
unidentified
Well, you've been leading up to my call, and here it is.
I know what's going to happen.
And you could, too.
I'm a student of the Bible, a servant of the Lord, and a student of his word.
And I've been receiving some revelations.
When God showed himself to me, I made a commitment to him.
How?
art bell
Well, how have you been receiving the revelations?
unidentified
Directly from the scriptures.
I get messages, you know, just synchronicity and things like that, like Richard was talking about, that helped guide me as well.
But the truth is in the scriptures.
It was all written down in the beginning, and it's all going to be fulfilled as it was written.
art bell
How do you know it's all accurate?
unidentified
Because I've been given some of the keys.
I've been able to read some of the things that most people miss.
And I know they're true because...
art bell
Why do you assume that others?
unidentified
Because I listen to what they say and I read what they've written and I know that what I have to say is going to be new to many people.
Although, as I say, it was written long ago.
What's going to happen is God's going to reveal some of the things that he has deliberately withheld from man.
He's going to show them what he's just shown me.
And I can show you how to do it.
I can show you the keys to read the scriptures.
The blessings of Israel are the model.
It has within it everything you need to unlock several mysteries that you will know.
art bell
Well, since you know all these things, why don't you save me the trouble and tell me what's going to happen?
unidentified
Well, as I said, God will reveal the mysteries to people.
People will be able to see with their own eyes right in the scriptures.
art bell
All right, I appreciate the word, read the Bible.
I mean, what you're really telling me is read the Bible.
The conversation started out, I will tell you what's going to happen.
And that there have been things revealed to me that others have not seen, reading the same words.
That is the essence of what you said.
And then you refused to tell me what those things were.
That is not satisfactory.
I understand that you think you know.
It's too bad you wouldn't share.
Wow, Cardline, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I can make things very easy for everybody right off the bat.
art bell
You too, huh?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
And that is the following.
There are no messiahs.
There never ever have been.
And there never ever are going to be.
art bell
You an atheist?
unidentified
I'm kind of a pagan.
I was going to say that if God had a color, it has to be green.
why green at the As far as, you know, if you were God, would you want to come back to a place that did not have flush toilets or air conditioning?
I, you know, we have to consider other things here, too, and that is that ancient Egypt.
art bell
Now, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
If you were God, you said would you want to come back to a place without air conditioning and flush toilets?
unidentified
That's right.
I mean, would you show up in some place?
art bell
When Jesus walked on earth, there was no air conditioning, nor were there flush toilets, to the best of my knowledge.
unidentified
That's right.
That's because we hadn't invented them, by the way.
art bell
So then why would it be a necessary precursor to his return this time?
That's silly.
unidentified
Well, I'm just saying that would be a concern of mine if I were God.
And I would just think that, well, if somebody else were God, they would naturally have the same inclinations toward, you know, modern, comfortable, convenient.
art bell
Now, these would be considerations for me to go somewhere, flush toilets and air conditioning.
unidentified
Thank you.
art bell
I don't think for God.
unidentified
Now, about ancient Egypt.
Ancient Egypt, did you see any mummies when you were in Egypt?
art bell
No.
unidentified
Oh, I'm sorry about that, because without a doubt, every one of them would have been white people.
For some reason, the only black people that were in ancient Egypt were the Nubian slaves that are talked about by Herodotus and I fully see where we're going here, and I'm not going there with you.
art bell
Sorry.
Don't you doubt for a second that God could appear in any form.
If you think that God's coming back as a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white guy...
God could come back in any form.
And I don't know what makes you think that he's going to come to where there's air conditioning and all the convenience of life, including satellite TV or whatever else you might consider to be convenient.
In fact, if there's anything that can be revealed from a casual reading of the Bible, it's that he's more likely to show up among the downtrodden than he is the air-conditioned.
East of the Rockies, you're on air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
art bell
Hi.
unidentified
Calling from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
And I was curious, this fella talking about Christ from Nigeria, is he any relation to like Benjamin Krem and the Marea?
art bell
No, not as far as I know.
Maitreya is supposedly in Great Britain and has nothing to do at all with Nigeria.
unidentified
Have you ever looked into the Share International website?
art bell
No.
unidentified
Okay, because it says something about the Marea being seen all in Africa.
art bell
Really?
unidentified
Yeah, I'm talking about crosses even being seen in window panes and signs of Mary.
art bell
You know, you can't really rule anything out.
That's my feeling.
You listen to people and you make judgments, but you can't rule anything out because when he does come, if he is here, he could be there as easily as he could be here or in Israel or anywhere else.
Right?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
art bell
So, I don't know.
It just struck me.
unidentified
It's very interesting, especially here in the last several years.
You even got a fellow calling you every once in a while claiming to be the six-fingered Messiah.
art bell
I do.
unidentified
What is his deal with August 8th?
art bell
I don't know.
We'll find out, I guess.
It's coming up fast.
unidentified
Today's the 4th, so we'll see.
I'll be looking in the east then.
art bell
All right, thanks.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Good morning, Art.
I want to tell you, you're being brave for opening up such a can of worms tonight.
art bell
Oh, look, I live on worms.
You know, that's.
unidentified
Well, I'm calling from San Diego, AM600 here in San Diego.
art bell
Go-go, yes, sir.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
Top of the morning to you.
Well, basically, I just wanted to say, you know, I apologize for the views of some of your listeners, but, you know, everybody has their own.
Everybody's entitled.
But the thing is, though, that I was raised in basically a Christian household.
And though I don't conform to Christian beliefs and so forth, and being a black person and all, I've always wondered, hey, could God be black?
And I've heard the arguments of Crow and Pond, and I refuse to make a judgment one way or the other.
art bell
According to my last caller, God would only come back to an air-conditioned, comfortable location with a flush toilet and sunsand oil.
unidentified
But I have to admit that I'd like to believe that we can just be open-minded to this concept.
I mean, it's a possibility.
For years, I was raised in black churches where we had a picture of a Caucasian Jesus on there.
And that's what I had, an image of God as being Caucasian.
I can't rule it out, but I, by the same token, would not pass up the idea that a Messiah could be black or Asian or Hispanic or what have you.
And hopefully you and Richard will have the opportunity to go and look into this a little bit.
I'd be really thrilled about some images here.
art bell
I wonder if one would know if they were in the presence of God.
unidentified
I kind of believe you would.
I mean, if you were in the presence of someone who had that awe-inspiring power, that omnipresence, that omnipotent power, you should be able to know.
I think you would if it was the real thing.
I mean, we've all, walking down the street in our local downtowns, have, I'm sure, run across somebody who claimed to be the Messiah and looked like somebody who just downed a bottle of ripple or what have you.
So you know the difference.
I think if you're in the presence of the real person or the real being, you would know.
You would feel.
art bell
Well, maybe, but you've got to also imagine, thank you, that minus the bottle of ripple that somebody might have just downed, and there's plenty of those.
And I turn those down all the time.
I get plenty of people like that.
Believe me, email, letters.
This fellow was different.
That's why I put him on the air.
Of course, was not claiming to personally be the Messiah.
Now, there would be some people who would have a mental disturbance minus the ripple and would still probably give that aura off.
So that's why I wonder, if you were in the presence of the real McCoy, whether you would know.
And I lean toward thinking that yes, the answer is yes.
So, you know, if I actually thought for a second that God was in that very difficult portion of Africa, I would make the trip anyway, despite the apparent danger.
And there is quite a bit of danger.
and if i were sufficiently convinced i might do it Would you?
First time caller line, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified
Uh, hello.
Hello.
Um, I'm Felicia.
art bell
You are, huh?
Where are you calling from?
unidentified
I'm from Blumi.
I'm from Minnesota, and um, I'm 12 years old.
art bell
12 years old?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
In Minnesota, let's see, in Minnesota, it's got to be like after 4 o'clock in the morning.
unidentified
I know.
It is 4 o'clock in the morning.
art bell
So what are you doing up so late?
unidentified
Early?
I've been trying to get on, talk to you.
art bell
Well, you're here.
unidentified
I have five things I'd like to talk to you about.
Four of them are really, really quick.
art bell
Okay.
unidentified
My uncle used to watch you listen to your show all the time.
And you used to have a dog.
Do you still have him?
art bell
You mean Giza?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Giza's outside, yes.
unidentified
Okay, he wanted to know that because you never talk about him anymore.
art bell
Okay.
unidentified
And today I've been looking for your books all over.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
And today I got one of your books.
I got The Quickening.
I'm into chapter four of it, and I love it.
It's a great book.
art bell
Thank you.
unidentified
And I have another book that's called Strange Stories and Amazing Facts, and it's got tons and tons of really cool stuff in there.
I was wondering if you'd maybe like me to make copies of it and send it to you.
art bell
Of the book?
unidentified
No, pages of the book.
art bell
Pages of the book?
Well, you're welcome to do that if you would like.
unidentified
And I have a favor to ask of you.
I'm probably like your biggest fan that's under the age of 12, you know.
I'm not an average kid.
art bell
I can tell, not up at this hour.
unidentified
And I was wondering if you could maybe send me something that's autographed.
art bell
Oh.
unidentified
Big fan.
art bell
You're going to have to communicate with me privately.
Because the last time I said something like this on the air, you've just got to understand that I can't say it on the air.
Because if I were to say that I would do it, I would be signing autographs until the end of the world.
Which, by the way, if you've been listening, could be soon.
So communicate with me privately by email or letter or something, okay?
Thank you.
I can't make any guarantees about that.
I'm sorry.
First time caller line, you're on me or hi.
unidentified
The reason I'm calling is I just want to give you a little slant on this person in Africa who's claiming to be God.
art bell
Pardon me.
unidentified
Go ahead.
As you know, there will always be people who will claim that there are messiahs and they're gods, and I'm sure you're wise to them.
Why you would think this person's any different, that's your opinion.
art bell
I didn't say I did.
I just said that the man intrigued me enough so that I put him on the air.
unidentified
Yeah, it's interesting, but I just fetched my Bible and I checked a couple of things.
The man spoke about the Edomites.
In Malachi 1, 1 to 5, it says God hated Esau and condemned his descendants who were the Edomites.
I won't elaborate on that.
Anybody can check that.
And in Matthew 24, it talks a lot about the signs of the second coming of the Lord.
And it tells us that when he comes, it will be as if lightning has come from, it comes from the east, but it will be seen even in the west.
It will be seen everywhere at the same time.
At the same time, the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.
They will see him all at the same time, coming in clouds from the sky.
He's not going to be sitting around in a little jungle village.
art bell
Now, wait a minute.
He did say that.
He said that when it happens, it will happen to everybody at once.
Did you hear that?
unidentified
I didn't hear that part.
art bell
Yeah, he did.
unidentified
I'll believe it when I see it, my friend.
art bell
Well, look, I'm with you.
I'm with you all the way.
unidentified
I just thought, you know, a lot of people listen who are not well acquainted with their Bible, and it's important that innocent people not be misled.
And I know that your show is extremely interesting and so reliable in so many things.
I respect the kind of guests you have and what they have to say.
But there are a lot of people who listen who really don't have anything.
art bell
Well, I don't warrant.
Look, I don't warranty anything.
Even guests that seem to come here with PhDs and all kinds of credentials, I don't warranty them either.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Okay.
I just allow different kind of stuff on the air, and I let people make their own judgments.
unidentified
It's endlessly interesting, and you keep me up nice.
And I mean, it's not every guy who can do that.
art bell
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
unidentified
Okay, thanks a lot.
art bell
You take care, Montreal, Canada.
unidentified
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
Took my baby's life glass that aimed came to the old oak tree.
It stands beside the river where you were to meet me.
The End
You're listening to Arch Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from August 3rd, 1998.
art bell
Welcome to the program.
Those of you who join at this hour, anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
Who knows?
But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
unidentified
Shhhhhh!
Now we take you back to the night of August 3rd, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell
All right, here we go.
West of the Rockies, you are on air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Yes, Christ himself prophesies a lot of false Christs right before his coming, and it sure does seem like we're getting a lot of them with Mitrea and Moon.
Yep.
art bell
Well, maybe that's it.
Maybe it's just a sign that says he's about to come because we're getting, as you point Out so many of these that probably are false.
unidentified
That would be the case.
Did you decide if you're going to go or not to try and check it out?
art bell
Well, I'm going to Africa.
Whether or not I go there, I'm being warned it's very dangerous, but I might.
unidentified
Well, if I may say, Christ's own advice in the Bible is that whenever people say that they know where the Christ is and his place and whereabouts, don't go there and don't believe him.
That's what it says in the Bible.
art bell
All right.
Thanks for the call.
I don't know.
You know, I would need to know more.
But under the right circumstances, I might do that.
I might.
I know what curiosity did to the cat.
But I might.
I've been to lots of dangerous places before.
Life is a big crapshoot, anyway.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello, Art.
Yes, hello.
art bell
Are you live?
Well, last time I checked, I was.
you know i'm feeling a little drowsy but mobile i've seen to be still taken uh...
unidentified
carol or i'm listening to the radio and it's not Well, that's why we tell everybody don't listen to the radio.
Okay, how are you doing?
art bell
Turn off your radio.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Hang on a second.
art bell
Hold on while you do that.
Now, there's a great demonstration, folks.
That's why we tell people don't listen to your radio.
unidentified
Okay, I've got it.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
I'm glad I finally got through.
I've been trying to call forever.
Forever.
Yeah, this is Pat from Tennessee.
art bell
Yes, ma'am.
unidentified
From Nashville.
art bell
Oh, really?
You know what?
We just got the survey for Nashville today.
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
And we are number one, number one, number one in Nashville.
unidentified
I am not surprised at all.
art bell
Cool, huh?
unidentified
We love Artvale.
I'm an Art Bella holiday.
I'll have to admit.
art bell
Well, thank you.
unidentified
Keeps me up really late.
I'm going to have to get some sleep, but everybody else has pretty much said what I wanted to say, but I just wanted to tell you, I don't think you need to go to Nigeria.
art bell
Well, perhaps not.
But, you know, isn't it strange that earlier in the year, I was actually planning a trip to Nigeria.
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
I really was.
And, in fact, I said so on the air.
And I kind of got talked out of it because of all the danger.
And so I decided, well, I'll go down to Cape Town in South Africa instead, maybe in October.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
And now all of a sudden, here comes this thing from Nigeria.
Really weird.
unidentified
Well, how did he find out about you?
Do they get to hear you?
I don't know.
art bell
Yeah, I guess.
He knew about me quite some time ago and tried, apparently, tried to come up and see me when I was in Egypt and just missed me.
I had just left Egypt when he got there.
So they're really actively looking for me.
unidentified
Wow.
art bell
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
That's really weird, isn't it?
art bell
Yes.
And then Richard Hoagland on top of that.
So weird on weird.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
Well, you know, it just seems like it would be too dangerous to me.
I just, I don't know.
I don't think I would do it.
art bell
Well, life is full of danger.
I've done a lot of dangerous things, you know.
But, you know, I mean, I am mindful of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, I just wanted to let you know about that, and I'm glad I got through.
I've been trying to call you forever.
art bell
I'm glad you did, too.
Thank you.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Take care.
You know, I have an interesting attitude about danger.
And it's kind of that if your numbers up, your numbers up kind of deal.
And so I've, for the most part, chosen to ignore warnings and go and do what I felt I wanted to go and do anyway.
But Nigeria, that's a pretty good gamble.
Wild card line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Morning.
Morning.
I think we have a really subtle but misunderstood interpretation of the word believing because my dictionary defines believing as having insufficient proof so as to know something.
But that means inherent in believing is doubt.
art bell
Well, inherent in believing is faith, sir.
Faith means believing in something for which you have not tangible proof.
unidentified
Right.
But if I had been on a flying saucer, which would mean that I know I have it right, I don't believe it anymore.
I know it.
But to tell you about it, I can only ask you to believe.
art bell
That's correct.
unidentified
And that's what we spend a lot of time doing, is trying to convince ourselves or somebody else to believe in something that they can not know by that means.
art bell
Correct.
unidentified
So we spin a lot of wheels.
And I think somewhere in Frank Herbert's Dune it says fear is the mind killer.
And not a lot can be begotten from...
art bell
If God came back in whatever form, most people would not believe.
or most people would not have faith depending on how you want to and look at it perhaps also those who I think he would put out of business most of the people that would ask us to believe in him in the first place.
unidentified
I think that man has created God in his own image since time immemorial.
art bell
I thought God created man in his own image.
unidentified
It's the other way around.
If you have a notice.
art bell
It may be.
unidentified
But as long as we can.
art bell
We can't rule that one out either.
unidentified
It says if we're the children of God, then we should probably need to grow up and become God-like and take on those responsibilities as metaphorically presented.
art bell
I mean, I know, I understand.
We're nowhere close to that.
unidentified
No.
High hopes.
art bell
High hopes, yes, sir.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Right.
Wasn't there a song by Sinatra, High Hopes?
Remember that?
Did that make great bumper music?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
I'm on the air.
art bell
Well, yes, you are.
unidentified
Okay.
You were asking the question about what God is, right?
art bell
No, not really.
Somebody called and said, my mom and dad created me.
So who created God?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
That's what he asked.
unidentified
Okay.
The next speaker after that said that God has always been.
That's right.
art bell
No, I said that.
unidentified
Okay.
God is spirit, and you cannot see spirit.
art bell
What I said was that we are the ones who adhere to linear time.
unidentified
Right?
art bell
We operate by time.
We live, we die, we get older, we measure time.
unidentified
With God, there is time.
art bell
That's what I said.
unidentified
He is eternal and spirit.
art bell
Well, that's what I said.
unidentified
He created everything out of spirit.
And what his purpose is in making mankind was for man to grow to be like him in spirit.
art bell
Well, so far it's turned out to be a cruel joke.
unidentified
Well, God has a purpose and a plan.
And it has taken time for that purpose to be fulfilled.
We are the sons of God, but it does not now appear what we shall be.
But when he appears, we'll be like him.
And he is spirit.
So when the resurrection comes and Christ returns, the true Christians will be made spirit, and we will see him as he really and truly is.
And it will not...
That's why most people can't understand this, because God has got a plan, and when his plan is completed, then every man will have the veil removed from his eyes, and he'll be able to understand God as he is, because God is not a respecter of persons.
So everyone that has ever lived will be resurrected.
And there will be a time when they will have their chance to understand and to know God.
art bell
I understand what you are saying, and I understand from where you have drawn it.
And maybe you are correct.
And I wish that I had the faith that you obviously have, and I don't.
And that's my shortcoming, and it's your comfort.
And I would never challenge that.
On my international line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, my name's Alex.
I'm from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
art bell
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
Listening to you on CFRA.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
All right.
Just some commenting on the Messiah thing.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
We're talking about.
Have you ever heard of the Lance of Longinus?
No.
Spear of Destiny?
No.
art bell
No.
unidentified
Okay, these were supposed weapons that a soldier by the name of Longinus pierced Christ with.
They're being held now in Germany someplace.
There's actually a...
No?
art bell
I'm hearing something.
unidentified
Ah, it's a cordless phone.
art bell
No, no, I'm hearing something in the background.
unidentified
Oh, it's TV.
art bell
TV?
unidentified
Yep.
art bell
You're calling a radio show with your TV on?
What's the matter with you?
unidentified
I don't know.
I've never actually called before.
I'm a first-time caller.
art bell
I see.
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Alright.
Anyway, so you're saying that there's a spear that pierced the side of Christ, apparently, and it's being in Germany.
Apparently, it was found in World War II and when Napoleon also had it and stuff.
art bell
Well, look, anything, you know, anything is possible.
And it's funny that the one thing that you scoff at and ignore might turn out to be the real thing.
unidentified
That's true.
art bell
I guess that's my attitude.
Other than that, I don't know what to say.
unidentified
All right.
But anyways, if they really want to find out, and they keep talking about cloning and everything, they're apparently claiming to clone the Shroud of Turin at one point.
art bell
Well, they're trying to get DNA from the Shroud of Turin.
Thank you.
To clone Jesus.
They're going to make that attempt, I guess.
But I thought human cloning was banned.
What would be interesting to me would not be so much the cloning, although actually that'd be interesting.
But an examination of the DNA, the recovered DNA from the shroud, would there be a difference, albeit a subtle difference, in the DNA of Christ from human beings?
And if there was, could a DNA manipulation be made in very deep territory here to create in the embryonic stage I don't even want to finish the sentence.
You follow what I'm saying, don't you?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Well, hello, Art.
This is Rod in Port Coquitlam, British Columbia.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
I just kind of wanted to make a comment.
It says in the Bible that God is life.
So I really don't think it's necessary to make things more complex than that.
art bell
Okay.
In that case, that must be all you have to say.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
art bell
Right, thank you.
God is life.
Well, might be.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
You've kind of touched on a subject that's of interest to me, but I think I've got a take on it that maybe other people don't.
art bell
Okay.
unidentified
Which is maybe the Bible should be read something like a metaphor.
In other words, it might be truth, like say, or it might be factual, like say, the Battle of Troy is an historical fact.
I mean, they dug up the remains of the city, but it's still a myth.
Or the Odyssey is a myth, but you couldn't use the Odyssey as a sea chart.
So, why is it every time the Bible talks about walking on water, people look around for actual incidents of walking on water?
Why can't it just be a means of expressing something that lies beyond our understanding?
art bell
It can.
unidentified
That's see, I think maybe we should be looking at prophecy that way, that we shouldn't be looking for an actual date or some sort of a fatality of numbers.
Maybe we should look within ourselves.
art bell
Perhaps so.
unidentified
You know, maybe that's where the end of the world takes place.
And it's something that we all understand privately rather than in some sort of a mass way.
art bell
Well, you know, then let me feed you this little disturbing bit of information.
unidentified
Sure.
art bell
If it's something we all understand privately and just sort of feel, an awful lot of people are feeling it now.
unidentified
And I agree.
I think that everybody's aware of it, but I think that we're also primed for it.
We have this idea that the world will end in the year 2000.
And the same thing happened in the year 1666 when there was the great fire of London.
And in Judaism, there was a false Messiah called the Sabbathi Sevi.
And it swept all through Judaism.
And everybody believed that he was the Messiah.
And there were all sorts of signs that they believed, but nothing happened.
art bell
Well, one of these days, is all I'll say.
One of these days, you've got to imagine the real thing will appear.
And again, I say, I doubt it's going to be an air conditioning with flush toilets and cable TV.
International Line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
I had just gotten not a premonition.
Something to do with I get the Art Bell is being baited to Nigeria.
art bell
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Well, I've been baited before.
I'll be baited again.
unidentified
So I was just sitting here and it said call them.
So I figured I won't let it go by.
art bell
Do you mean a voice told you that?
unidentified
I get a lot of different things and they come true.
Therefore, I go with it.
Well.
So I figured I won't let it go by.
I'll just call them.
art bell
I see.
Well, I appreciate that.
unidentified
Yeah, no problem.
art bell
Okay, take care.
You're in Canada, right?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
Okay, take care.
I've been baited before, and I'll be baited again.
I simply present things here that you will not hear elsewhere.
And they, for example, tonight actually is a very excellent example.
You may have heard me being baited.
You may have heard a complete falsehood.
Or you've got to allow that little tiny possibility that what you heard is absolutely accurate.
Can you reject it 100%?
Oh, yes, I can, Art, because I know how it's going to happen.
Well, that's fine.
Wong Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This is a little belated.
I listened to you on KSFO, and I just wanted to congratulate you on beating KGO.
I know that their system...
art bell
We got echo here.
We had all kinds of echo.
Yeah, in the very important group, the most important group that anybody looks at demographically is 2554.
We murdered him.
unidentified
And I have no, I'm not going to mention the guy who's against you at KGO or who's on the air.
art bell
He's not against me, right?
unidentified
No, no, but I know he's on the air.
But I'm just saying, it was an interesting thing.
Did you see what they did to the guy who was before him, that Bernie War?
I don't want to mention names, but they moved him right against you in that 10 o'clock slot.
art bell
Oh, that's cool.
unidentified
I thought that was good.
And I know his ego's got to be seething on that one.
art bell
Well, listen, first of all, you mentioned names, Ray Taliafaro.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
I've been listening to Ray for 15 years.
Right.
So that's fine.
And as far as the change they made beforehand, I would say it's reactive.
unidentified
Yeah, well, obviously it is.
I'm just really glad for you because I think it's a great show.
And you know what?
I called you, I think maybe a few days ago, and I shouldn't be calling you so much, I understand that, but I asked you about Dr. Goldberg and the men in black.
art bell
Oh, yes.
unidentified
But when you answered it, I never heard the answer on the radio because my radio, like, went dead right after.
What did he mention about those guys?
Could you just give it to me real quick?
art bell
Good, bad?
Well, I think probably from our perspective, bad.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Nothing good about the men in black.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Not nice guys.
unidentified
All right.
Well, thank you for watching.
Congratulations once again.
art bell
All right.
Thank you, and take care.
Welcome to the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello, Lark.
This is Judge from California.
art bell
Hey, Judge.
How are you?
unidentified
Doesn't sound like you, but everybody says that.
art bell
Hi.
unidentified
Thank you.
I'm the guy with a halo.
I'm just getting off the air, Harry.
You're just getting ready to go off the air.
art bell
That's right.
unidentified
The guy with a halo that everything you guys, everybody said in the whole country is my life.
I relate to it.
It's the light of God that's around me.
I have to live with it every day for seven years.
art bell
Listen, we're out of time.
unidentified
I know.
art bell
Halo guy, tell him good night.
unidentified
Good night from sunny California, and I'll see you in the San Luis Valley.
art bell
There you have it.
Tomorrow night, we will do whatever it is we do again.
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