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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - The Maitreya - Benjamin Creme

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unidentified		Six Welcome to Art Bell,
unidentified		Somewhere in Time, the night featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be, dependent on your time zone from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains outwest eastward to the Caribbean and the US Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the ever-growing, oil-growing internet.
		Hello there, I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		We were going to have tonight a celebration of attaining the 400th affiliate.
		Can you believe it?
		That's right.
		Officially now, 400.
		We are going to have that celebration sometime next week, probably toward the end of next week, a Thursday, a Friday, something next week.
unidentified		But in case you're curious, we have done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the 400 mark, and we try to observe in some small but official way each century mark of affiliates.
		So we're going to be doing that next week.
		Now, also next week, Tim Cannon will be here to update the chat club, which are not fan club situation, the ever-growing chat clubs across America.
		So that'll also be next week at some point.
		We're going to speak with Benjamin Krem.
		He's a very interesting man who has, who is saying now that Majora, brother Maia, is here on earth now, actually here on earth now.
		That Majora will be recognized by Christians as Christ, Jews, as the Messiah, Muslims, and so forth and so on.
		You get the idea.
		In other words, the big guy is here now.
		And a lot of people have wanted me to have him on, and so we shall.
		Quite a coup, actually, to get him on the air.
		He's here in America doing a speaking tour.
		Welcome.
		is Coast to Coast AM.
		You know what?
		We're up to 400 affiliates.
		Now we're going to have a celebration.
		We were thinking of having it tonight, but we're going to put it off until next week.
		But that's it, folks.
		We have made for the big 400.
		Isn't that incredible?
		So we'll have a celebration next week.
		Let's see, what else?
		There's any number of pieces of news that I've got to get to.
		But I've got this dangerous guy that we're going to get on the air here.
		So I've got to get to that.
		Drives me nuts when people call and tell me I can't have somebody on the air.
		It really makes me want to have them on.
		I think that probably says something about my personality.
		I don't know what.
		Anyway, born in Glasgow, Scotland, Benjamin Krem began studying art at an early age, developing into an accomplished painter in the modernistic style.
		His paintings have been exhibited in a number of prestigious galleries.
		Throughout the early years, Krem also studied various aspects of esoteric philosophy, in particular the teachings released in the late 1800s.
		He'll tell you about those.
		Those teachings led him to believe in the existence of masters of wisdom, a group of perfected men who are the custodians of the divine plan for our planet.
		It nevertheless came as a complete surprise to him when in 59 he apparently was contacted by one of these masters.
		He was told, among other things, that Maitreya, the master of all masters, would return to live in the everyday world in about 20 years, and that Krem would, if he chose to, have a role in this coming.
		Wow.
		More than a decade later, in 72, Krem began a period of arduous training under his master's direction to prepare him for this coming task.
		In 74, he gave the first public talk on the emergence, soon giving weekly lectures in London.
		He is now actually, I believe, spoken all over the world by as many as 70.
		Actually, his magazine is produced in five languages by volunteer staff and read in 70 countries.
		He normally resides in London with his wife and children, and now is a representative of Maitreya, a roving ambassador at large, if you will.
		I wonder if he's really...
		Benjamin, are you a dangerous guy?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I suppose I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Very dangerous indeed.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Because what I'm talking about is nothing less than the complete transformation of this world along better lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could use some of that.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		So that's a very dangerous person to be if you are talking to people who are totally encased in the values of today and in love with the present-day structures, however evil, however insane they might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, evil and insane are a couple of good words, I think, that describe today in an awful lot of ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wrote a book, I understand you read it, or at least excerpts.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I've been enjoying it, yes.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I've been reading them the last few days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Called The Quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And unfortunately, much of what I wrote a couple of years ago is now manifesting itself around the world.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And perhaps in your unique position, you could explain to me what's going on.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, something quite extraordinary is going on.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Nothing less than the emergence into our midst of that group of perfected men that you spoke of, the masters of wisdom, and the masters of all the masters, the Lord Maitreya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are these what others call ascended masters?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of them are ascended.
		It's a hierarchy, and there are masters of different degrees.
		There are the ordinary masters, as it were, who have taken all five of the major planetary initiations which eventuate as a master.
		And then there are degrees above that of cosmic awarenesses which make you an ascended master.
		But not all the masters are ascended.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take me back to when you were first contacted.
		It has to be, at least it had to be at that moment, a very strange, unsettling experience for you.
		What happened?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, a man came to me and told me that I was receiving messages, communications from the masters.
		I knew about the masters.
		I'd read about them through the Theosophical teachings, through the Alice Bailey teachings, the Agna Yoga teachings, and firmly believed in their reality, but had not the slightest expectation of any kind of contact with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this a mortal man who came to you?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, one day, you know, knocked on your door or what?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, I knew him in a different function, but he told me one day that I was receiving communications from the masters, and I said, no, I'm not.
		He said, oh, yes, you are.
		And I have been sent to tell you that you are.
		I said, well, I don't hear them.
		It is normally a telepathic rapport which they establish with their disciples.
		He said, no, the messages come to you, but they just pounce off you.
		I said, why is that?
		He said, because you're not open.
		Now, I didn't know what that meant because, as I say, I believed in the fact of the Masters, but I wasn't thinking about them.
		I wasn't expecting any communications.
		I just believed in their existence.
		He said, don't worry, it'll come.
		It'll settle down.
		And probably because I had been alerted to the fact, within about, I've forgotten now, five, maybe six weeks, the first contact got through.
		It was the 3rd of January, 1959.
		And I heard, it was as if a beam of light or energy had been focused at my head.
		And my consciousness was raised by several notches.
		And there was created a kind of inner, tranquil space.
		All my own thoughts disappeared.
		And into that space was placed a message as clear as your voice over the telephone now.
		It said, go to, if you're not London, Black Friars Bridge, South Side, Black Heathside.
		And it gave me a date.
		It was about three weeks ahead, 18th of January, 9.30 p.m.
		And I wrote this down so I wouldn't forget it.
		And on the time, I went out there with quite a thrilling expectation, because I didn't know what I was going to find.
		And I crossed the bridge down to the south side.
		There was no one about.
		It's a very business area, south bank of Blackflowers Bridge.
		At night, it's pretty deserted.
		But there was a car waiting at the far end of the bridge.
		And I sidled up and sort of looked inside it.
		And there were some people in whom I didn't know.
		But one of them was the man who had come and told me I was receiving these communications from the masters.
		The whole thing started from there.
		The master's voice got louder, as I might say.
		He told me to get a tape recorder.
		I got a small Grundig tape recorder.
		And he began to give me long dictations, which I simply mouthed aloud and recorded.
		And he kept doing this for about three months.
		And he was really perfecting the telepathic rapport.
		And I got quicker and quicker and quicker at it.
		I could get it without hesitation.
		In the beginning it was a bit slow, but I got very good at it and just recorded whatever he said.
		And then sometime in March of the same year, 1959, he suddenly said that, switch off the machine and kneel down.
		Then he said, our master, Maitreya himself, has something important to tell you.
		And then I had the most extraordinary experience of my life to date.
		I was overshadowed, as it's called, by Maitreya.
		Some probably minuscule fragment of his consciousness entered into mine.
		And I was filled with the love of all the world, an extraordinary experience of total identification with everything and everybody in the world.
		A kind of universal experience such as I had never felt before.
		I was filled with this tremendous energy of love, and at the same time it gave me a vision of how the masters see reality.
		It was as if I was inside a great sphere, a white sphere of light.
		And what I have to say on the right side and the left side, because there weren't really sides, but just as a way of describing it, on my right side I could see all the events of the past which had ever taken place, going back and back, sort of in fold, back and back and back into the very dawn of time.
		And I could see events, some of which I seemed to recognize from history in school and so on.
		kings and queens and battles and terrible catastrophes and various events in history.
		And there was a kind of thin film over everything, so it wasn't sharp, but it was quite clear nevertheless and all in color.
		And then on the other side, as it were, on my left side, I could see all the events of the future, which were simultaneously taking place.
		I could see myself in the future, I could see my Treya, I could see the masters, I could see crowds of people filled with joy, shouting and calling for my trea and weeping and so glad.
		It was extraordinary scenes, on and on into the future.
		And all of this was taking place simultaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a remarkable story.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		That is how the masters see the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a remarkable story.
		Now, it's sort of impertinent, but I have to pose this question.
		There are many people who see visions and hear voices, and it is a rather common psychological malady.
		So it's a question that should be asked right away.
		How are you sure that you were not suffering some sort of psychological malady when all of this occurred?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was prepared by the master.
		You know, this didn't happen in a kind of vacuum.
		This happened in response to the overshadowing by my treasure, which had never occurred before, and was prepared in advance for me by the master, with whom I had been working daily for the three months before that time, from the beginning of January till sometime in March.
		So it wasn't something that just suddenly happened and I didn't know where it was coming from.
		I knew very well where it was coming from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even slowly, even in a preparatory manner, how could you be sure that what you were being told, what you were seeing and hearing, was real?
		Prepared for it or not?
		How could you be sure?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I may say, put it this way, when I was first contacted by the Master, I made him prove his reality to me in dozens and dozens of ways.
		And he did.
		He made things disappear.
		He healed animals and birds.
		He healed people.
		He did the most extraordinary things at my request to prove the validity of his being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's understand who we're speaking of here.
		Maitreya, is Maitreya Jesus and Buddha and Allah and all that is worshipped on earth now?
		No, no.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Maitreya is the world teacher in that group of, from our point of view, perfected men who are the spiritual hierarchy or spiritual esoteric hierarchy of the planet.
		They are the custodians of the plan of evolution for this planet.
		Most people, I think, imagine that evolution proceeds in a kind of haphazard way.
		It does not.
		It proceeds according to a very definite plan for the unfolding of the potential of the human race and of the sub-human races until a certain state of perfection of that evolutionary process is reached and the planet will have fulfilled the plan of the heavenly man, the planetary logos whose body of expression this planet is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, believe me when I tell you that right now a lot of Christians are listening and they will, of course, talk of Jesus and they will consider the person, but is it proper to return the Messiah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You refer to Maitreya as the Messiah, correct?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Maitreya is expected by all religious people under different names.
		Christians await the return of the Christ as Jesus.
		Maitreya overshadowed Jesus from the baptism to the crucifixion 2,000 years ago in Palestine and manifested himself as a Christ.
		Maitreya is the Christ in that he embodies in himself.
		He is so advanced and so pure, he can actually embody, not simply channel through himself, but embody in his own being what we call this Christ principle.
		So this planet has created a Christ.
		However unadvanced this planet is, and this is an extraordinary achievement, we, the earth, have created a being high enough to embody the Christ principle.
		And that is what Maitreya is.
		He overshadowed Krishna and worked through Krishna.
		He overshadowed Shankaracharya and others and worked through them.
		He overshadowed Jesus from the baptism to the crucifixion.
		And he showed the love aspect.
		The Christ aspect is the love aspect.
		And he is the embodiment, the Lord of love.
		He showed that love in a man in its perfection for the first time through Jesus.
		Jesus is now one of his closest associates, one of the advanced, what you mentioned earlier, ascended masters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what would you say to Christians who await the return of Christ?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are right.
		They are awaiting the return of Christ.
		The Buddhists call him Maitreya Buddha, foretold to come now by Gautama Buddha, who said at this time would come into the world another great teacher, a Buddha like himself, by name Maitreya, who from his great spiritual stature would galvanize and inspire humanity to create a brilliant golden civilization.
		There's also on righteousness and truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin, there's also one coming who might be called Baitreya.
		It's going to be the Antichrist, and there are many, I bet, who believe that what you're talking about may be the emergence or the appearance of the Antichrist.
		So we'll ask you about that when we get back.
		And also, it is true that you believe Maitreya, as you call him, is here on earth right now, correct?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Right now.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Living in London in Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Living in London.
		All right.
		Okay.
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Billions of you have requested Benjamin Krim, and tonight he's here.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 10, 1998.
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		You're listening to Mark Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Post to Post AM from July 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Benjamin Treb is here.
		He has a voice that sounds strangely like Malachi Martin's, doesn't he?
		He's here talking about Maitreya.
		Maitreya, who is here on Earth now.
		Right now.
		Lives in London.
unidentified		Woof.
unidentified		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we'll get back to him in just a moment.
unidentified		To be continued...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The same person who said Benjamin Krem is dangerous now writes, you ask?
		What's dangerous, Art?
		Why don't you ask one of your favorite guests, Malachi Martin, what he thinks about Benjamin Krem?
		Well, I will.
		Because Malachi Martin will be here Monday night.
		As a matter of fact, a little promo time here.
		Brad Steiger will be here on Dreamland Sunday, and then Malachi Martin, Father Malachi Martin, will be here on Monday night.
		let's go back now to Benjamin Krim.
		I think he's...
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I'm in New York, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And actually, that is the very same place Father Malachi Martin is.
		I've been advisor to a couple of popes.
		Remarkable man.
		And my factor says why I should ask Malachi Martin about you.
		What do you think a Catholic priest would have to say about what you're saying?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		He would think I was talking about the devil, or as you said, the Antichrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I truly would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Betraya, I'm calling him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that you're not?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		There is a total misunderstanding of what the Antichrist is.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Most Catholics, most Orthodox Christians see the Antichrist as a man who will come before the Christ and could even be mistaken for the Christ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Or promise the moon to humanity, but in fact, he is really the devil incarnate.
		Nothing could be further from the truth.
		It is not a man.
		The Antichrist is an energy, a force, a destructive force which is deliberately released to break down the old order and to prepare the way for the Christ.
		It was, it's in Revelations of St. John, as you know, but the beast 666 is unchained for a time and then chained down for a time and half a time.
		This refers to what we call the Antichrist energy.
		It's the destructive aspect of the first aspect of God, God the Father aspect of God, the will aspect in esoteric terminology.
		It has two phases.
		In its constructive, positive phase, it is the will to good.
		In its destructive phase, it is what we call the Antichrist.
		It's deliberately released to break down that which precedes the advent of the Christ.
		It was released in John's own day through the Emperor Nero to bring an end to the Roman dispensation to prepare the way for Christendom.
		It was released again in our time through Hitler, a group around him in Nazi Germany, together with a group of militarists in Japan and a further group around Mussolini in Italy.
		And these three powers, the excess powers, in the war with the Allies from 1939 to 1945, embodied the energy we call the Antichrist.
		Not just their evil, but the evil of all humanity from the very beginning.
		By the defeat of the exist powers, by the Allies, behind whom stood Maitreya and the forces of light, the spiritual hierarchy of our planet, the masters of wisdom and Maitreya at the head, the forces of evil on this planet are defeated, not destroyed, but defeated for the time being.
		So the beast has been released, now it must be chained down for a time and half a time.
		That refers to the time, the age which is now opening, the age of Aquarius, as we call it, which will be the next 2,350 to 500 years, plus half the succeeding age, the age of Capricorn, when the beast will be released once again.
		There will be another great war at that time, which will be fought out on the mental planes, and it will end in a complete destruction of the forces of evil on this planet.
		It has been released on the astral planes for thousands of years.
		Over the last hundred thousand years, that war has been going on on the astral planes, precipitated by Hitler and company onto the physical plane really from 1914 to 1918 and then again from 1939 to 45.
		Because from the masses point of view, that is really one war which went underground in 1918 and came up above ground again in 1939.
		No, the Antichrist is gone.
		It's been, it's gone.
		It's done its destructive work.
		That is the little Armageddon.
		The true great Armageddon will not take place until the middle of the age of Capricorn in about 3,500 years from now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you said that you were shown the past.
		And you were also shown the future.
		Well, I'm particularly interested in the future.
		What can you tell us about what you saw?
		What lies ahead for us?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		What lies ahead for humanity, if it makes the right decisions, and Maltreya is convinced that we shall make the right decisions due to his work, that is why he's here, to inspire humanity to make the right decisions, to create what will be a completely new type of world.
		He brings heavenly energies and we change the world so we have a new heaven and a new earth, as it says in the Bible.
		And Maitreya puts it this way, When you see and hear me, you will realize that you have known for long the truths which I utter.
		Sharing and justice, brotherhood and freedom are not new concepts.
		From the dawn of time, mankind has linked his aspiration to these beckoning stars.
		Now, my friends, shall we anchor them in the world.
		These are the words of my treya through me.
		And that's what we shall do.
		We shall create, through sharing of the world's resources, for the first time on the world scale, justice in the world.
		A new brotherhood, a realization of the brotherhood and sisterhood of all peoples.
		We are one family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right now the resources in the world are severely limited and appear to be finite and are being used up rather quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how are we going to do this sharing?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are in fact used up by the developed one-third of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		The third of the world of which we are a part usurp and waste three-quarters of the world's food and 83% of all other resources.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, for example.
unidentified		Because we have a wasteful society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take oil, for example, Benjamin.
		If we continue to use oil that we pull from the ground at current rates, in 40 to 45 years or less, all of the oil is going to be gone.
		Now, if one-third of the world or less is using all of this oil and the other two-thirds of the world is quickly trying to become what we are, again I ask, how do we share these resources?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't bother about the oil because we shall have a new technology.
		Centre calls it the technology of light, which will give us unlimited power for all our activities, for all industry, for heating and lighting and transport and every other aspect.
		We shall have unlimited energy directly from the sun itself.
		This is the new technology of light, which, when we share the resources of the world and guarantee justice for all people everywhere, and therefore the possibility of peace for the first time, because without justice there will never be peace, and without sharing there will never be justice.
		So, if we accept Maitreya's premise that we are one and that the resources of the world are given by divine providence for all of us, and share more equitably the resources of the world, create justice, and create for the first time peace in the world, then that technology will become ours.
		It would be the most powerful technology that we could imagine, cosmic and source, but without peace in the world, it would be the most dangerous technology that we could use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, even Christians, Benjamin, tend to take the attitude, because of what they read in the Bible, that the resources are given to us to use.
		No problem.
		Go ahead and use them.
		That's what they are there for.
		That kind of attitude, and that sounds a little foolish.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we are destroying the planet by misusing the resources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you said that Maitreya said that we will make the right decisions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see any evidence of that just yet.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, according to the Masters, we are beginning to do so.
		According to the Masters, I think it's clear if you look at the world today compared with even 10 years ago or 15 years ago, and Maitreya came into the world, I mean literally into the modern world, into London in July 1977.
		And since that time, from behind the scenes, through certain individuals and the heads of government and so on, he has been creating the conditions which we now see.
		The end of the Cold War, the opening up and the freeing of the states of Russia, the coming together of the two Germanies, capitalist West Germany and Communist East Germany.
		An unthinkable thing has happened.
		The extraordinary transformation in South Africa, where Nelson Mandela, who for 27 years was incarcerated in prison as the head of a proscribed organization, the ANC, is now the president of a new South Africa.
		Abartha is a thing of the past.
		All of that is really the result of the inspiration of Maitreya.
		He inspired Mr. Gropachev to come to America and to talk peace and to open up through Glasnost the Soviet Union.
		He came to Nelson Mandela in his prison cell and told him to write to the president for a meeting.
		And Nelson Mandela smiled and said, look, I cannot even get a meeting with the governor of the prison.
		And Matrea said, never mind, I know that, but you write the letter and you will see.
		I will do the rest.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maitreya is a now physical mortal form being who lives in London.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was Maitreya born as an infant?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		He is in a self-created body.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Many of the masters appear in the self-created body, which is called the Mayavi Rupa, which literally means the body of illusions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, Maitreya then appeared in adult form, isn't it?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		In adult form, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in 1974.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		He has the ability to change that form at will.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		So he can be old or young, fair, dark, a man, a woman, a child, whatever he wishes to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you, in the physical, met with Maitreya in London?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I have, but not in his real form.
		I have met him as a woman, a refugee woman, in the train in London with a child, and she, so-called she, asked me for some money.
		I gave her some money.
		The child looked miserable, and she went up and down the train, you know, begging.
		In the carriage where I met her, there was no one else in the carriage, so she wasn't making much money.
		And the child actually was the Master Jesus.
		And this sort of happening occurs all the time.
		The masters work together.
		Maitreya and the Master Jesus seem to be incredibly close, and they work together all the time.
		Sometimes one is a man, the other time the other one is a man, and so on.
		They change positions and change appearance and so on.
		The last time I met him was in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Berkeley, Berkeley?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Berkeley, California, where he appeared as, I suppose you would say, a modern day, slightly hippie, quite casually dressed, but nicely dressed man with a little bomber jacket on and a hat.
		And he asked me for a couple of dollars for gas for his truck.
		I couldn't see any truck, so I gave him a couple of dollars.
		And that was Maitreya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I didn't look like Maitreya.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I see Maitreya as he looked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm in touch with one of the masters.
		I have a moment-to-moment contact with one of Maitreya's closest disciples.
		And through this moment-to-moment contact, I can verify any experience I have.
		And if Maitreya wishes to appear as a beggar man, as he often does, and hundreds of people have such experiences, I could ask the Master, was that Maitreya?
		And some people say, no, it wasn't.
		Yes, it was.
		That was the Master Jesus.
		I have seen the Master Jesus years ago, who came to my house in London and asked if I could give him something to eat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea how many toes you're stepping on with this?
unidentified		Oh, I know that.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm beginning to agree with the facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are kind of dangerous.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, dangerous in the sense this upsets the conventional view of life and the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this upsets nearly everybody.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		But it must.
		Times, as you know, are changing.
		And the changing times bring new personalities in different ways into the world.
		Our old conceptions of the Bible story and the Gospels and so on have to change.
		The people who will find it probably hardest of all to accept Maia are the leaders of the Christian and Jewish organization.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try and ask you a really hard question.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		But then we had the same problem 2,000 years ago with Jesus.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Jesus was there among them who didn't recognize him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a tough question.
		You said that it was proven to you in so many ways that Majora was real.
		You saw miracles.
		Miracles were performed for you.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		By my master, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		My master is not Major.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		My Master is a disciple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But from the point of view of those who are listening to you right now, they would ask, if this is all true, then why not request and receive for the world undeniable proof in the form of some sort of miracle that would cause people to believe as concretely as you do?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		The world today is filled with miracles.
		Let me just mention a few of them.
		Maitreya says, those who search for signs will find them, but my method of manifestation is more simple.
		But the world is filled with signs of his presence.
		Take, for instance, in the Christian world, the appearances of the Madonna all over the world.
		The moving Madonna, the statues which literally move, which open their eyes, clasp their hands and unclasp them and so on.
		Made of plaster or stone and wood and so on.
		The icons of Jesus which cry, the Madonna's which cry, real tears, sometimes blood.
		This is happening by the hundreds of thousands all over the world.
		Now in the Eastern world, among the Hindus, we had the extraordinary milk miracle in September 1996, when for four days the statues of Gadesha and Shiva and so on, when offered milk, lapped up the milk.
		The milk literally disappeared by the millions of gallons.
		The milk ran dry in India.
		The shops shut.
		Parliament stopped.
		The streets were filled with long queues going, many of them to the temples for the first time in their lives, to watch this miraculous happening.
		We saw it in London, in the temples in London, where the cameras were taken in, the television cameras, and even the operators, the camera operators or the interviewer would hold out the milk in a cup or a spoon to the statue, which is made of wood, which is made of copper, bronze, silver, brass, and the milk literally disappeared every single time.
		That, I think, is the most widespread and the greatest type of miracle which has ever happened in the world.
		It was all over north, south, east, west, wherever that puja was performed.
		The milk was not, of course, drunk by the statues made of brass and teak and so on.
		It was made to disappear by my prayer and a group of masters who do that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it in any way announced beforehand?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		It suddenly happened.
		There is a window in Clearwater in Florida.
		There is a building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I've got a huge icon on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got the photograph.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		The Madonna, 35 feet high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		In brilliant color.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		And when it was damaged by vandals, the color reasserted itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's absolutely true.
		Benjamin, hold on, we're at the top of the hour.
		The building he refers to, yes, it was vandalized.
		And then, miraculously, the image overnight was suddenly cleared up.
		That is an absolutely true story.
		Benjamin Krim is my guest, and we're going to open phone lines when we come back.
		And I imagine they will be blistering.
		From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 10, 1998.
		The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 10, 1998.
		This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, Age of Aquarius, Aquarius.
		The End
		The End You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		We only have a short time with Benjamin Krem.
		He's got an obligation later on today, actually, and he's in New York.
		So what we're going to do is take calls quickly, and we'll have him back at another time when he is not so incredibly pressed.
		Benjamin Krem says Maitreya is now alive, and Maia is in London, and many things are about to occur.
		Benjamin Krem has had this proven to his satisfaction through a series of miracles and communications, first from what I think we can call, safely, an ascended master, and then a communication from Maitreya himself.
		I was being a little flippant earlier, but I still know that many of you would believe that Maitreya is instead Baitreya, which is the Antichrist, but Benjamin Krem says firmly, no, that is not the case.
		In a moment, we'll take calls and see what you think.
		And the facts as I'm getting range from the incredulous to the angry to the believing, those of you who believe.
		And so we'll get to phone calls in a moment.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin Krem is indeed known worldwide, and for years now I have received many requests from listeners to have him on.
		Fortunately, he is in the country.
		Unfortunately, he's in New York, where later today I think he's going to be giving some kind of a talk, and so his time is very limited with us this evening.
		Benjamin, where are you going to be later today?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		It's a talk in New York at the Hotel Pennsylvania, the Skytop Ballroom, which is on 7th Avenue opposite the Madison Care Garden.
		It's 7th Avenue and 33rd Street, New York City.
		And it will be a lecture on the emergence of Matrea, the World Teacher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if people want to know more, they can find out more later today.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a call-free number.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		They can get all the information they want about my information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what is that?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Call call-free number, 888-242-48-8272.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		8272.
		All right, let me repeat that.
		It's 1-888-242-8272.
		Is that correct?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here come some people.
		Let's see what we get.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Benjamin Crem.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, yes.
		First, I want to thank you for having Mr. Crem on.
		And secondly, I wanted to pose this question to the listeners as well as Mr. Crem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from McLean, Virginia.
		My name is Shada Korangi.
		And well, I followed this story for a while now, and I find it Very hopeful and inspiring.
		And all of Maitreya's teachings are based on practical spirituality, which is really rare.
		And his priorities are actually to ensure basic rights of living for everybody.
		So I just want to know, why don't we allow Maitreya to come forward and prove his identity and settle it once and for all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I like that question.
		I really like that question.
		And again, Benjamin, these miracles were shown to you so that you have no doubt.
		You now are forced to come to us and tell us of all this without us having the benefit of the proof that you have received.
		So her question is really a good one.
		Why not let him come forward to the world and prove to us who he is?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		That's precisely what is going to happen in the very near future.
		For he has been ready to come forward since the end of May 1982.
		But he has needed an invitation from humanity to do so so that he doesn't infringe our free will by just simply stepping into the limelight.
		And my task has been to prepare the way, to create the climate of hope, of expectancy for his coming, so that he can enter our lives without infringing our free will.
		But to speak to the world to any degree, he needs the modern communications, the media of the world.
		And the media of the world has been very reluctant to invite him forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would do that.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, I'm sure you would because you're an enlightened man.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		But the media as a whole, over the years, has a very reluctant kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to hell with him.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Take new stories seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really want a good forum for him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will give it.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, very soon, he has been invited by one of the major networks in this country, one of the big four.
		And he will appear.
		They have an arrangement that when he gives the time, he can appear, I think, within a few days.
		And he has simply been waiting for an event which he predicted in 1988, with a whole series of predictions, one by one of which have come true.
		And this one is of a world stock market crash, which he said would begin in Japan.
		In 1988, the NICA average of Japan stood at 40,000.
		Within a couple of years, it had come right down to 14,000 points.
		And for the last couple of years, as you know, it's hovered around 14,000 to maybe 17,000 points with the constant infusion of billions of yen into the economy by the Japanese government.
		And nothing happens.
		Then, last October, November, we had the collapse of the so-called tiger economies, South Korea, Malaysia, the Asia crisis.
		Then the stock markets of the West, the Dows Index, the FTSE in London and the others in Europe, began to wobble and they lost hundreds of points.
		But in a few days, they recovered.
		And he's waiting until that same collapse in the East takes place in the West.
		And when it's obvious that it's going to do so, he will take the invitation to speak on this major network of this country and then in Japan to come forward to help to mitigate the effects of this crisis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm disappointed.
		I'm disappointed.
		I mean, I'm glad that you've got a major network, but maybe we could do both.
		I mean, maybe you could appear on the major network and on my program as well.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I would do my best to bring it about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		It would be a difficult thing.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Not that I have any power, but if I could twist the arm of my master and eat with Maitreya's, maybe it will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you wouldn't think twisting Maitreya's arm exactly would be the first thing.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I'm only joking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Crem.
		Hello, where are you, please?
unidentified		Yes, I'm Arnold, and I'm from St. Paul, and I wanted to ask Mr. Crem, does it bother him, or two questions actually, does it bother him that he's stating about my master Jesus is with this other master he's talking about.
		And it's ironic to me that this Maitreya, as he calls him, he's standing on the same platform as what they state the Antichrist.
		This ain't file.
		This is what it states.
		I mean, that he would come in doing peaceful things and then turn around after in the middle of a seven-year tribulation, three and a half years, to do the dirt that he's going to do.
		And I wanted to ask him specifically how does he feel about the delusion that the devil would send through this man, not up front, but come in as a choir boy.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		And I get what you're saying.
unidentified		There you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I told you there would be a lot of that.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe in that interpretation of your scriptures?
		I don't.
		I believe that the scriptures are real, they are prophetic and truth, but it is a question of how you interpret them.
		They are not meant to be taken literally.
		They are symbolic.
		And symbolically and esoterically interpreted, they show a very different picture to what your expectations no doubt are.
		But let's not try to be clever about this.
		The tree is known by its fruit.
		When you see my prayer, when you experience his love, his wisdom, the insight, the mind which is crystal clear and can cut through to the heart of every problem and illuminate the problems for us, when you see his total, absolute compassion, I believe that you will have no difficulty in seeing him as he is, the Lord of love.
		Returned this time himself with Jesus and a whole group of other masters, some of whom were the disciples around Jesus in Palestine, who are now masters in their own right.
		And this will change your view not only of Maitreya, but of the Bible interpretation, which you take literally and accept as the pronounced truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I leave it to your own intuition and experience when you actually see Maitreya.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Until then, all I ask is you keep an open mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Benjamin Krem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Stephen from Los Angeles.
		I did an interview with Bob Larson a few years ago as an abductee, and I have been having a lot of psychic abilities since my abduction, since I was a kid, and I've been the black sheep of the family because of my abilities.
		And Bob Larson asked me, quite frankly, he says, who is the Antichrist?
		And I gave him the answer of, it's more of a consciousness more than it is individual.
		Now, he said the same thing, your guest, Benjamin.
		And I'm very curious as to what is going on with abductees or people who experience things from another realm.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		You mean the so-called abductees by UFOs?
unidentified		I don't like to call myself an abductee.
unidentified		I like to call myself experience, something along those lines, because it's never been a traumatic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but a rose by any other name was probably still taken up and probed.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
		For me, it's never been a problem.
		It's been more of a blessing.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, since I've been asked, my opinion of abductees is that there are no abductees.
		That the abductee phenomena is in the astral imagination of the people involved.
		I know about the Space Brothers, I know about the UFOs, and my knowledge of them and their relation to our own spiritual hierarchy is that they are totally beneficent, that they have no plans of any malicious nature for humanity, that they don't need to abduct humanity.
		They don't need to experiment with us.
		They are so much more evolved than we are.
		Their craft are created by thought alone, and they themselves guide them by thought alone.
		And so, you know, the fact that they would take up human beings and make little experiments on them to find out this, that, about, they have known us for thousands of years.
		They are so far ahead of us in their technology, in their consciousness, that the very idea of abducting us is to me just silly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		And people have the experience, because they see UFOs, which are seen by hundreds of thousands of people all over the world, but it sets up a kind of hysterical trigger reaction in them, excites their astral imagination, and they imagine they're being abducted.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		It's like a living dream, a waking dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then these professors at these large colleges, universities, American universities that have said they're going to study UFOs because there appears to be significant evidence worthy of study are out to lunch and will find nothing.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are so real.
		How can one explain it?
		Hundreds of thousands of people yearly see and have seen since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		There's no question about it.
		What I'm saying is, you're saying they are manifestations of thought.
		And so if that's true, scientists are not going to find anything.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I don't.
		No.
		Now, let me be clear about this.
		The UFOs, the unidentified flying objects, are spacecraft.
		They are real.
		But they are made of etheric matter.
		Now, if you have etheric vision, you can see them.
		And when they are seen, they simply lower the vibrational rate of the etheric matter until they come within our range of vision.
		It's a temporary manifestation.
		And when they raise it again, they appear to disappear.
		They're still there, but they have disappeared from our range of vision.
		The Roswell incident is a specific case in part where there was a crashed UFO, deliberately crashed, by a group of Martian men and women, five of them, one of whom survived for a time the craft,
		the others were killed, and whom autopsies were made, and then the bodies themselves disintegrated, as did the craft itself, because they are made of aesthetic matter.
		And so we're in a dense physical state for only a limited length of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then they are real, if I understand what you're saying, but in the sense of what, not in the physical sense that we understand.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		In the physical sense, but in a subtle physical, aestheric physical.
		See, we recognize only three types of physical.
		Solid physical, liquid physical, and gaseous physical.
		And about gas, there are four further states of physical, which are the aesthetic planes of matter, each one finer as it goes up.
		And it is of these four finer gaseous states that the space vehicles are made.
		For example, all the planets of our system are inhabited.
		But if you went to Mars or Venus or Mercury or Jupiter, you would find nobody.
		But they are there.
		If you have a steric vision, you will see them.
		If you don't, all you will see is a space, a planet which seems to be bereft of human beings.
		But it is not so.
		Humanity are everywhere in cosmos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I can buy into that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Crem.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		On you from Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Tennessee.
		You're going to have to yell at us.
		I can barely hear you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Is this better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little.
unidentified		Mr. Crem, these masters of wisdom.
unidentified		Some of them are walking the earth now?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		There are 14 masters in some of the major cities of the world, and plus Mitre.
		There's a master here in New York since 1975.
		One in London since 1975, apart from Mitrea.
		One in Geneva, one in Darjeeling, and one in Tokyo.
		One in Rome.
		The one in Rome is the Master Jesus, who has been living there for more than seven years now and is in charge of all the Christian churches.
		And one in Moscow.
		There's one near Los Angeles, one in Cairo, and various places around the world.
		Eventually, there will be about 40 masters plus my prayer.
unidentified		The one in New York, is that Howard Stern?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You don't know him.
		You don't know him at all.
		He's not a sort of well-known name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I wouldn't rule it out, caller.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		And I wouldn't rule out anything with regard to Howard.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Grimm.
unidentified		Hi, all right.
unidentified		This is Randy at KKMS Reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm curious, if these beings have so much power, then why would they need a national forum in order to be exposed?
unidentified		I mean, couldn't they make themselves known to us in other facilities?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean without the use of electronic media?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		He doesn't need the electronic media.
		If he wanted to, his face could appear on the television sets throughout the world simultaneously in the middle of your favorite program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then why not do it?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		He would never do it because it would be a colossal infringement of our free will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The very worst that would happen is somebody has a soap opera who cares.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		I have been working for 24 years publicly now simply to create the climate in which he can do it without infringing our free will.
		When we ask him to come forward and make himself known on a world scale, the television networks of the world will be linked together through satellite, which are in place for this event so that for the first time in history, the world teacher can come forward and speak directly to all people without the need for intermediaries, priests, organizations, and so on.
		And on that day, you will see him on the day, what we call the day of declaration, in which he will declare himself openly as the teacher for this coming age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to tell you right now, a lot of people are going to regard that as the day of the arrival of the Antichrist.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Well, they may do, but they will find very different in a very short time.
		They will come round because they will recognize his goodness, they will recognize his love, they will experience it on the day of decoration as they have never done before.
		His love will pour through the hearts of all humanity.
		It will be a repetition on a world scale of what actually happened at the Pentecost 2,000 years ago on a Muslim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Benjamin, I know that you have a date today.
		You're going to speak in New York, as you indicated earlier.
		And I want to tell everybody again, more information can be garnered by calling 1-888-242-8272.
		Is that a 24-hour number?
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We'll have you back at another time, more convenient to your day, and we'll get further into this.
		I really want to thank you for joining the program this morning.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		It's been my pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck with your talk.
		Good luck with your talk later.
		And don't forget, I want them on my show.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll try and erase the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin Grimm.
		Thank you.
		Take care.
		That's Benjamin Grimm, folks.
		We'll have him back.
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		The night program originally aired July 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and in a moment, we're going to go to Open Lines for the remainder of the evening.
		We will have Benjamin Krem back at some point, and hopefully, if he can arrange it, we'll have Maitreya.
		Now, that would really, that would really be something, wouldn't it?
		Anyway, a couple of items to cover with you in a second.
		and will launch into Friday night, Saturday morning, open live.
		All right.
		The UN is telling us that if we don't pony up the money we owe, we're going to lose our vote.
		Ted Turner is saying, apologizing for the story that CNN ran, and he said that if mass suicide would help, he'd commit it.
		And I'm a little puzzled about how Ted Turner could commit mass suicide unless Ted is more than like one person.
		So I'm puzzled about that.
		Surely he wouldn't expect CNN employees generally to follow him, would he?
		I understand he's sorry about the story, but to offer mass suicide.
unidentified		Well, that's too generous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Afghanistan, apparently a religious movement there has given all the people of Afghanistan 15 days to get rid of all their TV sets or to see them smashed by religious police.
		That's right.
		Also, Video cassette recorders, videotaped and satellite programs as well, satellite dishes, all of them are going to be gone or they are going to be smashed by religious cops in Afghanistan.
		Now, the world of earthquakes is upon us.
		As you know, we had a very serious earthquake felt in Anchorage, Kodiak, Fairbanks, Palmer, Cordova, shaking an area about 225 miles by 500 miles.
		That's a big earthquake.
		It was 6.4.
		There also are earthquakes just now recently.
		Let's see, Yucca Valley, about 20 miles north of Yucca Valley.
		Acotilla Wells, California.
		That pretty good shaker, about 4.1.
		Taft, California.
		All over the place.
		I've got a list here of the recent earthquakes, and oh my goodness, aren't we active?
		Hemet, Ridgecrest.
		I could go on and on.
		A lot of earthquakes.
		A lot of volcanic action.
		A lot going on.
		Now, here's a story that I want to get out.
		It seems that hundreds of people have put down 50 bucks apiece for the apparent thrill of running in front of two dozen bulls Saturday in an event patterned after the annual celebration in Pampalona, Spain.
		Organizers have taken steps to prevent the running of the bulls at the Oasis Ranch from becoming the mad, drunken, and sometimes deadly rampage that clogs the streets of Pampalona.
		The dirt road course is not so treacherous.
		Participants are expected to be sober.
		Why?
		And everyone is taking special care to be nice to the bulls.
		Well, hell yes.
		Why would anybody pay to run in front of a bull?
		About 400 people have signed up, idiots, to be chased by the bulls down a quarter-mile S-shaped road in the town, the Arizona state line in southeastern Nevada, here in Nevada.
		Why would anybody want to run out in front of a perfectly good bull?
		I have never understood this in Spain, and I sure as hell don't understand it here in Nevada.
		Crazy.
		But I'll watch.
		It should be humorous to watch.
		And furthermore, if you were going to do it, why would you want to do it sober?
		How could you do it sober?
		And then just one more item.
		Let me reread this, okay?
		Brace yourself.
		Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
		Every month for the past year, the story goes, a private yacht has quietly sailed out to sea for international waters.
		Aboard are 25 people determined to dive peacefully into David Jones' locker beneath the waves.
		Euthanasia cruises are a new way for the terminally ill to end their suffering and relieve loved ones unable to cope with shattered lives.
		Privately financed, this rather bizarre venture is managed by a team of pro-Kvorkian advocates who maintain a very low profile.
		No advertising so far, but word of mouth has generated, get this folks, a list of 600 in the U.S. and Canada waiting to go.
		Weekly cruises, weekly, are being planned for the summer of 98.
		Although it says in the article, unattributed, this reporter was not permitted to go aboard the chartered boat, somebody named Dr. Rogers, probably not his real name, is the motivating force behind this modern crusade that allows people to die on demand.
		With regard to the legality of euthanasia cruises, the so-called Dr. Rogers says, I don't know if this is a real story.
		Maybe it is.
		We provide a sensible service at a low cost.
		There are dozens of calls daily, and we're delighted to offer innovative and humanitarian plans that circumvent the archaic laws of our land.
		That sure sounds like Kovarkian.
		Thus far, euthanasia cruises have not been challenged in the courts because they function as a covert operation.
		And the one-way passengers are all willing to make the trip.
		As I said earlier, this, of course, invites all kinds of possible comic content, which I may try to avoid.
		You can almost close your eyes.
		You can imagine the advertisement for this cruise.
		You can imagine the name for the cruise lines that would be doing this.
		would be an international water zone.
		I wonder...
unidentified		I would think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Crazy.
		Euthanasia cruises.
		You get on, but you don't get off.
		At least not at the...
		Maybe, you know, you walk on and you get carried off.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Morning, Art.
unidentified		Vance here in San Jose, KSJL Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I listened with very great interest to Benjamin and Crim last hour and a half, or whatever it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did you discern?
		I mean, you should see the response I got.
		People either loved him or hated him and nothing in between.
unidentified		Yeah, well, it's a highly charged subject.
		And my personal opinion, I first ran into him when he came out with a book around 1982 or so.
		And I think it was Benjamin Cram and The Masters of Wisdom or something like that.
		I don't remember the exact title.
		And I read through it, and there's two things that, and I didn't hear part of what he had in the book on the air tonight, and that's why I wanted to call.
		I liked a lot of the spiritual messages And love and everything else.
		But what I did see also in the book was that it was basically a call to world socialism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I caught a little part of that too.
		In other words, all of the resources would be shared and that sort of thing.
		Yeah, I heard that.
unidentified		So that alarms me a little bit because, in a way, our Christian society has brought a respect to the individual and for our own efforts and gaining.
unidentified		And if people don't make an effort, they don't gain as much at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, let's ask ourselves, what kind of political persuasion do you think Jesus Christ would be if he were here now?
unidentified		Well, I think he'd be a libertarian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really do.
		That's a good, safe answer.
		Yeah, he might be.
unidentified		You know why I say that?
		Because Jesus basically said this world is a hopeless case, and their only hope is to think of the next one.
		And that's caused a lot of interesting phenomenon over the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he did say something about trying to fit big, old, fat, rich guys through the eye of a needle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that was a camel, or I don't know, something like that.
unidentified		Well, he sort of shunned that.
		He believed that we should all just trust in God.
		You know, there's so many parts of the gospel that said, well, you know, if God takes care of a sparrow, and you're more valuable than a sparrow kind of thing.
		That's one thing he said.
		And by the way, as far as the Bible is concerned, I'm not a Bible-thumping guy.
		I'm sort of a spiritual guy, but I'm not a toe-the-line religious guy.
		And one of the things Jesus said in the Bible, though, that Benjamin Cram addressed was the part about the Antichrist.
		And there's a specific thing that I was reading tonight about what Jesus said about the Antichrist.
		And what he said was, if anybody says that this guy is the Christ or that Christ, don't believe him.
		If he says he's in the desert or he's in the closed room, don't believe him.
		He said Christ would come as lightning in the sky, so to speak.
		He'd come in the clouds.
		It almost sounds like an abduction art.
		But, you know, that's where the rapture comes from, where he'd come, like, one would be left, one would be taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like an abduction.
unidentified		So maybe these light ships that you guys were talking about also, maybe that's got something to do.
		Maybe Christ is coming in sort of in a multifaceted way that we can't even understand.
		And therefore, any one being or any one human being that claims to be Christ is not the Christ because Christ is coming in different mode this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's only one thing that I'm relatively sure of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's probably not Howard, huh?
unidentified		You never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
		We'll see you later.
		Maybe it's time for the euthanasia cruise.
		Bookam, Dano.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I am the Antichrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can we know, of course, that you are the real McCoy?
unidentified		Time will separate the truth-tellers from the liars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
		But I mean, oh, really?
		Yes.
		Let's talk timelines here, Mr. Antichrist.
		When will the world be aware of your reality?
		Aside from my program?
unidentified		They will be aware of me and who I am, without a doubt, before 99 comes to a close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is very soon indeed.
		And what will be the manner of this awareness?
		Are you going to, like, suddenly interrupt television programs or what?
unidentified		If I fail to seize and rule this world, every person and every form of life on this earth will go to extinction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I was told that you would be saying stuff like that, but that we shouldn't listen.
unidentified		You were told that, and you have been drummed, that has been drummed into the people by the very religious leaders that claim to lead the people to life and peace and happiness by God and by Jesus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's all a lie, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying that you are the real true leader that's coming to lead us now.
unidentified		Yes, sir, I am.
unidentified		I'm the one that's written of in all the religions and all the scriptures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you known who you are?
unidentified		All the societies, since 1988.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happened then?
unidentified		I was touched by the Creator of Creators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm almost at a loss for words, and that's unusual for me.
unidentified		I'm the same man that called you the night that the Hopis were on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I remember.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think I told you you should call back when we're in open lines, and we are now.
unidentified		Right.
		I would like to ask each of the Christians that are listening to your program to take the time.
		I have to quote two scriptures, if I may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you may not.
		See, I don't allow that.
		Not even for the Antichrist.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can paraphrase them, if you will.
unidentified		I would paraphrase Revelation chapter 22.
		Which says roughly, Jesus is the bright morning star.
		Paraphrased.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it doesn't make sense to me that the Antichrist would say that.
		Antichrist.
		See, you're antichrist.
		So why would you say good things about Christ?
unidentified		Well, the bright morning star is Lucifer, Satan's only son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then Jesus is Satan, and you are the Messiah.
unidentified		That's the fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, God now.
		Well, all right, I appreciate your call, and we're going to have to sort of work on this long term before 99, huh?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
unidentified		I'm not the Antichrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, nevertheless, please.
unidentified		It's off.
		This creme fellow, I think it's odd.
		I don't think any of Jesus' disciples had 188 numbers or they had to pay to go to hear him lecture.
		I mean, if his master is for real, how come he doesn't provide for him a way of life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but it might be said that even the disciples of Jesus had to eat and probably live somewhere and pay rent and all that sort of thing.
unidentified		What about the fish and the loaves?
		They didn't have to go on electric circuits.
		They went from town to town and they're all for town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that was then.
		This is now.
		We're in the modern world.
unidentified		Well, just a thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it's not a bad thought, and I don't rule it out.
		And if he really is ready to come forward, I sure want to get him on my program.
		I'd make a heck of a program, right?
		Yes.
unidentified		I hope you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		You know, something I want to do before my euthanasia cruise sets sail.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		I can't believe it.
		I'm on.
		I knew persistence pays, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
unidentified		I've often thought you should have a guy on.
		Maybe you've heard of him before.
		His name is Richard Kenninger.
		He wrote a couple different books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one person I have not heard of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does he write about?
unidentified		Oh, you've got to have him on.
unidentified		You've got to have one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but give me a reading.
unidentified		One book he wrote was called The Ultimate Frontier.
		That was his first book back in 63.
		And concerning Maitreya and that subject, he wrote a little bit about that in a book he wrote in 86, I think it was, called Spiritual Seeker's Guidebook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So it's quite fascinating.
		Same sort of thing.
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same sort of thing as Benjamin Kramp.
unidentified		Well, he comments on Maitreya, but I don't think he would, well, I mean, I know he wouldn't say that Maitreya is a good person or a good entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would he view Maitreya as the Antichrist?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I just reread a couple pages in his book that he talked about that.
unidentified		And he said that I think Crem said that he studied the teachings of Alice Bailey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Did he also say something about the Theosophical Movement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, now that's interesting, because he said, Creme also, that the Antichrist was in Nazi Germany.
		Now, I understand that, well, at least according to Kenninger's book, Spiritual Seekers Guidebook, that this woman, Helena Blavatsky, was she influenced people who were tied in with the Nazis and Hitler,
		and that I guess she headed the theosophical movement, and then Alice Bailey kind of took over when she died in 1891.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's all very interesting.
		I appreciate the call.
		You know me, I'll listen to anybody.
		I mean, you never know.
		You really never know.
unidentified		Do you?
unidentified		Oh, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read the Bible.
		I know exactly what the story is, and you're serving the lower powers, Ark.
		Oh.
		Maybe.
		I just listen.
		Not really serving anybody.
		Why wouldn't you put somebody like that on the Air Yar?
		That's what I get.
		Should see the facts.
		Western the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		All right.
		Yes.
unidentified		Just one word of advice, if I could give it to you?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One word only?
unidentified		Well, it won't be one word.
unidentified		One statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Just forget all the Roswell crap and give your love to the men in black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hung up.
		Give my love to the men in black?
		You know, I mean, that's the kind of thing that a guy in black would say.
		Forget all that Roswell crap and give your love to the men in black.
		Well, that's something a man in black would say.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
		Yeah, I'm glad I got through.
		I don't know if you were aware.
		In 1982, there was an advertisement that appeared in all the world papers.
		Some of them, I guess, were full-page ads in London.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About Maitreya?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I'm calling from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the one caller had a point.
		Why would Maitreya, even though we live in an electronic age, need to take out ads in newspapers or when he finally gets ready to, you know, say, here I am, need my show or ABC or NBC or CBS or whatever network, maybe even CNN?
		Of course, they're probably a little gunshy right now, but why would he need any of that?
unidentified		I don't know.
		You know what was interesting about this ad?
		Let's see, this appeared.
		Believe it or not, I saved this art.
		I don't know why, but I did.
		It appeared Sunday, April 25th, 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to hold on during the break if you're.
		Sure will.
		All right, well then hold on.
		Back in 82, huh?
		I just don't understand why somebody of that stature would have to take out ads, but who am I?
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Actually.
		When it's all right and it's coming on, we've got to get right back to where we've started going.
		Love is good, love is strong, we've got to get right back to where we've started going.
		Do you remember that day, when you first came my way, I didn't know you were going to No one can take your face.
		And if you get hurt, if you get hurt, by the little things I say, I can put that smile back on your face.
		When it's all right and it's coming on, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
		Love is good, love can be strong, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
		We're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		And I'm on your presentation of Post-ItPost AM from July 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		something very disturbing has occurred.
		As you know, I'm a smoker and it looks like I have It came off intact and landed somewhere, and I can't find it.
		I originally thought it might have landed in my lap, which is a particularly upsetting thing for a smoker.
		In general, you don't determine that it has dropped into your lap until it announces its unwelcome presence.
		That hasn't occurred, and I can't find it.
		I don't know where it's going.
		up in the smoke.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		you you you Well, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keith has done it again.
		And you would have to go looking for it otherwise.
		But if you will go to my website right now, under the latest website editions, there is something that says, who is Maitreya?
		And if you click on that, you will go directly, I repeat directly, to a picture of Maitreya.
		I wonder how this photograph was captured.
		Anyway, if you're curious, there it is.
		Just go up to my website, www.artbell.com, and there will be that first item says, who is Maia?
		Click on that and take a look and see who you think that looks like.
		Gog on, if we didn't get a photograph.
unidentified		He should have told us, Benjamin should have told us about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I would take it that would be Maitreya in one form or the real form or what?
		Because he apparently morphs at other times.
		All right, back now to my caller.
		You're back on the air again.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Ark.
		I hope you didn't start a little fire there.
		That would be kind of scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, it's really upsetting when these things disappear from the end of your cigarette and you don't know where they have gone.
		But I don't see any unusual smoke yet.
		Anyway.
unidentified		Anyhow, on this ad here, like I said, I saved it all these years.
		I don't know why, but I felt maybe there'd be, you know, it would have some significance later.
		There's a few things interesting about it.
		One of them was that it announced, like I said, this was in April 25th, 1982.
		In the ad, it says that Lord Maitreya would be revealing himself universally to everyone in the world over telepathically, over everyone's television set.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, now you're cooking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, within.
benjamin creme ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, and obviously that didn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now Maitreya is going to have to rely on the electronic media.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right away that causes some people to be suspicious.
unidentified		I would be very suspicious.
unidentified		Let me read that part here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We still make a great show, though, wouldn't I?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		It says, when will we see him?
		It says, he has not yet declared his true status, and his location is known only to a very few disciples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think he'd appear on Howard's show first, do you?
unidentified		I think that'd be great.
		It says, one of these has announced that soon Christ, he calls himself Christ in here.
		The ad starts out, the Christ is now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, that immediately, that gets on a lot of people's cases.
unidentified		That does, yeah.
unidentified		It says, soon will acknowledge his identity and within the next two months, and this is in 1982, will speak to humanity through a worldwide television and radio broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then there was another being that was going to appear on UHF television down in Texas, and that one didn't pan out either.
unidentified		No, I would give this, you know, the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Short shrift, huh?
unidentified		Oh, they've got some other.
unidentified		It's full of symbolism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The people who are devoted to Benjamin Cream really are very, very devoted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're very serious about this.
unidentified		I would be highly skeptical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		On my international line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, I thought I was on the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you probably are on the ground somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Hi, this is Nathaniel from Nanaimo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nanaimo.
unidentified		Remember me?
		Thank you for your email.
		That was very kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
unidentified		You know me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't tell people that because it'll encourage them to think they're going to get an answer from me.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't answer all my emails.
unidentified		was very nice of you though.
unidentified		And I was wondering, It's actually a comment, and I have two questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no weird on this program.
unidentified		Okay.
		I was trying to test the strength of my scissors the other day, right?
		And so I was cutting pennies in half.
		No disrespect to the queen or anything, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you cutting pennies in half?
unidentified		to see how strong my scissors were.
		I was just seeing if I could do it'cause I saw that on TV.
		Definitely.
		I'm serious.
		And I was cutting an American one in half from the 80s or 90s, and it was silver inside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You cut an American penny in half?
unidentified		Oh, I said no disrespect.
unidentified		I just was doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get a trace on this number.
unidentified		Art.
unidentified		You don't do that, remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but when you deface American currency, that's a different story.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to stay on here thinking something to say that'll keep you on 30 seconds more.
unidentified		No, but I found it interesting.
unidentified		It was silver in the middle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And then the one from 1945 was pure through the way through.
unidentified		I found that was kind of neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you think it's silver?
unidentified		It just was the color silver inside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand there are severe laws about defacement of U.S. currency?
unidentified		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have no idea?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have no idea how serious this breach is?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
		All right, that's 30 seconds.
		We got it.
		All right.
		Good luck.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll send you a file or something.
		West to the Rockies in a Cake.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Bill calling from the state of Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		And I have a wonderful, well, it's not wonderful.
		It's a very strange kind of update on the weather up here.
		The whole year really wasn't that noticeably different.
		But tonight, the National Weather Service issued tornado warnings for eastern Washington.
		I'd say probably north of Walla Walla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		I'm not kidding.
unidentified		They told them, get down in the basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Washington?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The state of Washington at this time of year, that doesn't make sense.
unidentified		Well, especially where it was.
unidentified		It's a real dry, sort of desert-your area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it now expired?
unidentified		I'll have to listen to Como again, but they said earlier tonight, because we were expecting thunderstorms here, and we might still get one here in Seattle, but it was like, get down in the basin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm telling you, these are strange times.
unidentified		That is amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, did you hear Benjamin Krem?
unidentified		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darn it.
unidentified		Missed out on that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I wanted to ask, to me, he sounded just like Father Malachi Martin.
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was eerie, in fact.
unidentified		Oh, I missed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I appreciate the call.
		So, tornadoes in eastern Washington, tornado warnings.
		Unbelievable.
		Unbelievable.
		And I think that our weather is going to be increasingly unbelievable.
		We actually have a link now to Benjamin Crem's Maitreya.
		Actually, I guess not Benjamin Crem's Maitreya, but that, who he claims is Maitreya, a photograph.
		so if you want to see what the trail looks like now's your chance Why would anybody run in front of a bull?
		As I said earlier, perfectly good bull.
		Why would anybody choose to do that?
		And the story here about the bull run here in Nevada is that people are going to have to be sober to do it.
		That seems an unreasonable requirement.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
		That seems an unreasonable requirement.
		That's the radio.
		I'm glad to hear that you have a reception.
		But what you heard there, that crackling sound in that person's radio, that's generally, that was a very good example, actually, of AC line interference.
		You know, you get a little spark over on a pole out there, and that's what it sounds like.
		That kind of little crackly sound in the background.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Going once, going twice.
		Yes, you just made it by the skin of your teeth.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Tracy calling from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tracy.
unidentified		Hi, and I just wanted to say that the gentleman that was talking about, Madame Blavatsky, from the Theosophical Society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, that publishing company is the one that John Anthony West publishes this Serpent in the Sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		And almost all of that and that Graham Hancock speaks about is right up there.
unidentified		I mean, it's a whole lot of everything that Blavatsky said in her ISIS Unveiled book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right up there, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And he's right about the tornadoes.
		I'm from up here in Seattle, and that's crazy.
		We couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequently do you get tornadoes up there?
unidentified		Never.
unidentified		I looked it up, and there's no history of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least not until now.
unidentified		They said, you know, go to a shelter.
unidentified		Well, we don't build shelters east of, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point.
		Go to a shelter.
		Well, what do they mean by go to a shelter?
unidentified		We don't know.
		That's crazy.
		That's crazy.
		So, yeah, grab that Isis Unveiled, and it's not as crazy as it sounds.
		All right.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
		Take care.
		And as I said, yes, if Maitreya's coming, why, I want to have Maitreya on my program.
		But he's already been booked by a major network.
unidentified		Darn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I understand.
		I guess, you know, if one of the big three gives you the opportunity, you've got to go that way.
		But they'll probably chicken out anyway, so maybe we'll get lucky.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, Art.
		This is Scott from Denver calling 630 Cause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		Yeah, I listened to your guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounded just like Malachi Martin, didn't he?
unidentified		You know, I hope Gary North is listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he sound like Malachi Martin?
		Yeah, he did.
		Why do you hope Gary North is listening?
unidentified		Well, because he said that he's talking about Japan and how the Asian market went down, and it affected us.
		Well, he said the next time the Asian market goes down is when this supposed is supposed to come up.
		Well, as Gary North said, April 1st, 1999 is when they hit fiscal year 2000.
		And of course, what's going to happen to the financial markets?
		I don't know.
		Japan's going to freak, and then they're going to start selling the U.S. stuff.
		We're going to have financial chaos, and then this guy's going to come in.
		And he did sound awfully socialist to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, spread the wealth kind of deal.
		I agree.
		All right, thank you very much.
		It did sound that way.
		But, you know, in a lot of ways, if you read the Bible and if you read about Jesus, you would have to conclude Jesus, at a bare minimum, was a socialist.
		Somebody called earlier and said libertarian, but actually his own particular political philosophy would lean towards socialism, certainly.
		Right?
		Sharing what there is, and that the fat rich guys would have as much chance of going to heaven as pulling the humped camel through the eye of a needle, that kind of thing.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, hello.
		Going once, going twice, going three times, going.
		First time caller line, You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Casey calling from Colorado Springs, KBOR Hot Talk 1300.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it.
		You're going to have to yell.
		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay.
		Maybe it's just me, Art, but I think maybe I've just gone too cynical in my old age or something, but I've just never heard of a Messiah always hitting his favorite disciple up for bucks every time he sees him.
		I mean, is that strange?
		Is it just me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might be just you.
unidentified		Well, Bruce, the old bag lady, you know, it gives him a couple of bucks.
		Yeah, you know.
		I mean, I think it's a little bit more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it really is true.
		I have a hard time with that myself, but you never know.
		I mean, but I'm with you.
		I'm kind of cynical about things these days, and I don't embrace anything automatically.
		And it did seem strange to me.
		Why would Maitreya be asking for money?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, maybe.
unidentified		Well, you know, I mean, yeah, you just, you know, thoughts of the Messiah, you know, you think, you know, he's done all these miracles to prove himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but to Benjamin Krem, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		to us and not as of yet right but you know he he did all the miracles and many Benjamin quoted a big thing about, well, I'm sure you heard it, about milk or something.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know this is impertinent, but I require advanced notice of a miracle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then if it happens, boy, you've got my attention.
unidentified		Well, you know, I mean, you know, I figure, you know, if he can, you know, cause, you know, idols to slurp up milk and what have you, that he should be able to, you know, support himself without, you know, hitting people up for a couple of dollars.
		I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.
		I don't, you know, I kind of put my money on, you know, price being on Mars and contacting Richard Hoagland.
		I think that's probably just as insane as anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Richard thus far has not made that claim.
		And if he's here on Earth, he might be on Mars as well.
unidentified		But well said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see anything burning up in here yet, so.
		Easter the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		This is 3-2-1 in Peoria.
		Go in with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3-2-1?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		It's good enough for you, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of an unusual handle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
		Three things.
		Let me get them all in, please.
		Yeah.
		Alright, first of all, Jesus did not have a political philosophy, you know, anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know, but we're imagining if he were here today what it would be by contemporary standards.
unidentified		I think he'd know the right way, which would be libertarianism.
unidentified		So, you know, I vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Alright, after that, Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You need to research that, and then from there, I'd actually go on to Aleister Crowley and The Lima.
		Okay, the third thing.
		I forgot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because that's what happens when you snap your fingers.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You forget.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, I'll catch you next time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you call up and say, three things.
unidentified		You got to live.
unidentified		I got to get ball on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then he forgets number three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		International line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Eric calling from Amsterdam in the Netherlands.
		Oh, Eric, welcome to the program.
		I'm calling to announce the unfortunate visit of Barry McCaffrey to Europe.
		And he's apparently starting to spread a whole bunch of lies.
		And the Netherlands ambassador, just the most recent news over the top of the hour, reports that the Netherlands ambassador is very irked that Barry McCaffrey would have said that the Netherlands drug policy is a total failure, an unmitigated disaster, I believe, is the quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I really need to speak more to you.
		So my bosses love it when I do this.
		I'm coming up on a break.
		Can you afford to hold on?
unidentified		I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Stay right there from Amsterdam in the Netherlands, where they have a very different kind of drug policy, as a matter of fact.
		We've got a caller, so we will hold this caller online, or try to anyway, through the break, and come back and talk with him about what actually goes on in Amsterdam, where drugs are freely available and there's much consternation about whether or not it works.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 10th, 1998.
		Without your love, oh, baby, don't leave me this away.
		I can't accept.
		I surely miss your tender care.
		But don't leave me this way.
		Oh, baby, my heart is full of love and love for you.
		Now go down and do what you gotta do.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AF from July 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the callers are correct.
		Here it is.
		It's expired now, I guess, unless they renewed it.
		But I've got a bulletin sent from my affiliate, KONA, in Washington.
		It's incredible.
		Tornado warning, National Weather Service.
		The National Weather Service in Spokane issued, past tense, a tornado warning.
		It's not a watch, it's a warning was for southern Penn Oriel County.
		I'm probably slaughtering the name of that, in northeastern Washington, northern Spokane County in east-central Washington, into 1 a.m. Pacific time.
		That, of course, has now passed.
		At 11.56 p.m. Pacific time, there was a funnel cloud reported over the Deer Park Airport by law enforcement moving northeast at 30 miles per hour.
		It says here the tornado will be near Newport by 12.30 a.m.
		Pacific, now thankfully passed.
		And then it says, go to the basement or a small interior room on the lowest floor.
		Good Lord.
		You know, out here in the West, as a general rule, not an absolute rule, a general rule, we don't have basements.
		So if you were to hear this, as one caller pointed out, it would be extremely worrisome.
		Then here is another factor.
		It says, Dear Art, didn't you do a story about radiation levels in Europe being a thousand times normal, particularly in France?
		Why would you vacation there then?
		Weren't you worried?
		Well, you know what?
		I didn't even think about it.
		But I've got a Geiger counter here, and I'm now pointing it at myself.
		And it doesn't seem to be beeping particularly.
unidentified		Oops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's beeping.
		Not unusually beeping necessarily, but I don't know if I like this.
		Let's see.
		It's quiet.
		Sounds like background radiation, probably, to me.
		All right, we'll be back in just a moment.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
		Hello?
		Who is this?
		Who were you expecting when you dialed?
unidentified		Oh, this is Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bingo.
unidentified		Oh, sorry, Art.
unidentified		You just kind of threw me off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would I throw you off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you dialed my number.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a delay on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I said something approximating, hi, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That has a meeting.
unidentified		I guess that was stupid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, what's up?
unidentified		Hey, Art, did I get you right about a six-ton air conditioner?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five.
unidentified		Five-ton?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, five ton.
unidentified		Five?
unidentified		Incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know where I live, right?
unidentified		Yeah, they're in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It gets real hot here.
unidentified		Oh, I bet.
unidentified		Holy smoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was like the nightmare on Elm Street, though.
		I mean, it's like they put in one part, and then they had to put in another part, and then they had to put in another part to allow for that.
		So anyway.
unidentified		Hey, I'm Jeff from Roseburg, Oregon.
		Yes.
		This is KTBR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		anyway uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		by the by the way i should have been on assignment to go back to the fellow in Go back to that guy, but he's gone.
unidentified		Hey, you know, out here in Oregon, I'm used to the green trees and all that.
unidentified		And where you live, you're living out in the desert like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Do I picture a lot of sand and tumbleweed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have tumbleweeds, yes.
unidentified		How's your front yard like?
unidentified		Is it just full of sand with tumbleweed in it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not sand exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's more like clay and some sand and dirt and, yeah, tumbleweeds and cactus.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's like the real desert.
unidentified		The real desert, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That's interesting.
		Well, I got not much to say.
		I just enjoy the show and we'll catch you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		If the gentleman from Amsterdam would be so kind as to call us back, it's toll-free.
		That happens a lot of times.
		I'm not exactly sure why.
		You go into a period of silence during a break in an international call and you get a disconnect.
		For whatever reason, it may be they do that automatically on international calls.
		I don't know.
		Let's see.
		Oh, with regard to the cruise, here's somebody writing, this is the euthanasia cruise.
		Good morning, Art.
		Hey, what's the big deal?
		I, like many others, will take my mother-in-law along with me.
		A good time for all out at sea, Dave, in Chicago.
		I don't know, Dave.
		The whole idea of a euthanasia cruise...
		Do you think...
		Do you think that there would be the tooting of the boat's whistle and people would throw confetti and stuff when they leave?
		even more confetti or no confetti.
		Or maybe they throw something else more appropriate to Mr. Bell, Hans in Seattle.
		Can you hold on a second?
		Because my international lines ring.
		It might be the guy in Amsterdam.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
		Let me just check.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		This is Eric again from Amsterdam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm so glad you made it back in.
unidentified		So am I. You went to me and it just went click, and I went, oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that kind of stuff happens.
		All right.
		Now, first of all, aside from the fact that McCaffrey's over there causing trouble, what is the general situation now in Amsterdam?
		Tell us The truth.
unidentified		Okay, I will give you the truth in five paragraphs of my own writing.
		How about that?
		Well, quite frankly, I know what you mean about people reading stuff over the air.
		Trust me on this one, art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here's the deal.
unidentified		Interrupt me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here's the deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when I first did nighttime talk radio, my boss said, okay, I'll put you out there, but if it doesn't work, the big hook is going to come along and yank you out.
unidentified		That's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so under that principle, I'll allow you to go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, due to the elegance with which the Dutch system of proportional representation and the generally much functions and the generally much more civilized nature of political debate and political process in the Netherlands, the Dutch have been able to partially rid themselves of the yoke of prohibition,
		albeit under increasingly fierce and vitriolic international bitching, fuming, sniping, name-calling, threats of impending doom, and abrogation of international treaty obligations, particularly on the part of France, Britain, and the United States.
		Personal possession and use of drugs, both hard and soft, are entirely legal.
		The open sale of marijuana, hashish, magic mushrooms, the entire range of ephredrine and pseudoethrine products, often termed smart drugs, and all other substances not appearing on the list of officially banned substances, like cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine, is officially tolerated under the Dutch policy.
		The results have been spectacular.
		Now, since research in the U.S. is forbidden entirely, there is nothing relevant that exists there.
		However, the same is not the case for the Netherlands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is McCaffrey over there saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's saying it's a failure?
unidentified		He said as of the top of the hour, the America Online is where I got it from, that it's been an unmitigated disaster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did he quote statistics?
unidentified		He did not.
		And the Dutch ambassador to the United States is properly quoted as saying he is confounded and amazed because, now, a couple of buttes from the official documentation of the Netherlands drug policy published jointly by the Netherlands Ministry of Health and Justice,
		updated regularly and entitled appropriately, The Drug Policy of the Netherlands, will elegantly dash some of the pervasive lies which masquerade as common sense on this issue, those lies which Barry McCaffrey is coming to Europe with in his suitcase.
		First, marijuana.
		In the absence of the silliness of prohibition, marijuana's appeal and pathology is as follows.
		Use begins in the late teen years, 17 to 18.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to go through all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know of.
unidentified		No, it's one more sentence.
		One more sentence.
		The appeal of the drug peaks at age 23 and its use disappears nearly entirely after age 30.
		Now, can you imagine trying to tell that to the Partnership for a Drug-Free America?
		No.
		Okay, now further, cocaine use, the research in the Netherlands shows, does not yield negative sociological, physiological, or psychological results until its use exceeds 2.5 grams per week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but it does.
unidentified		Basically, I...
unidentified		The research is here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, fine.
		But I happen to disagree with that, too.
		I think that's a very good question.
unidentified		Come up with the figures.
unidentified		Come up with the figures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I have quoted for you my source, and you come up with...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So hold it.
		Now, pause now.
		Let me say something.
		I'll let you traaddle on there.
		Look, cocaine is a drug that, in order to, unlike marijuana, in order to achieve the same level of high requires increased dosage.
		There's no question about that.
		No, there's no question about it.
unidentified		There is a question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there isn't.
unidentified		No, you build a tolerance to it.
unidentified		You are proceeding from assumptions which are flawed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
unidentified		Yes, they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are not.
unidentified		Because there are no, because the base assumptions, you are proceeding from what you think is common sense.
unidentified		But your common sense is a pervasive fabric of lies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		All right.
		See, that's all right.
		Thanks.
		That's where you and I part company big time.
		There may be a lot of lies, and I'm just told about marijuana, but the fact that to achieve the same level of high requires a continued and greater use and an amount of cocaine is a general truth.
		So I'm sorry.
		I disagree with that completely.
		I think cocaine is an extremely dangerous drug.
		Extremely dangerous.
		Extremely addictive.
		And ruins lives, not just because it's illegal, but because it really is a very damaging drug.
		I believe that.
		And when you try and lump marijuana in with cocaine, you do irreparable damage to any possibility of a rational drug policy in this country.
		I don't give a damn what they're doing there.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for waiting on it.
unidentified		Not a problem.
		Not a problem.
		This is Hans in Seattle, where we listen to you on Como 1000 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be tornado country.
unidentified		Well, yes, which is why I'm calling, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a basement?
unidentified		Do I have a basement?
		Yes, I do, as a matter of fact.
		You do.
		And a little small room in the basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do most people have basements?
unidentified		I would say probably most people here have basements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Every house that I have ever been in, which has, of course, been free, at least the older ones have basements because it was the style.
		You know, the basement was the thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we don't have them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't have to go to the basement.
unidentified		You go dig into clay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have clay on top, but then we have calegi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what calegi is?
unidentified		I'm not a geologist or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kalegi is like steel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's really just like steel.
unidentified		Which is why you guys do a lot of flooding and that sort of thing.
		Water doesn't go in, and digging into it is a pain, if nothing else.
		I wanted to call you, though, that you had a woman on before you went to the break that was from this area and was saying that we never have earthquakes.
		Tornadoes here.
		And she is actually very wrong.
		No, no, we're not.
		And I will agree that they're very rare, but they do happen.
		In the past four years, I believe, we have had four tornadoes, somewhere give or take.
		We had two of them about two years ago.
		One of them touched down in a motorhome, Mobile Park, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Another one was up in Elam Klaw.
		It didn't actually touch down, but the funnel appeared and then went away.
		And I believe it was last year or the year before, we had a tornado that touched down in Tacoma and took off a chunk of a church before it went away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some guy sent me something really cool that I put on the website.
		It was called a mobile home tornado escape pod.
		And it was a thing where if you get a warning and you get a message like that to go to your basement, of course there isn't one.
		So what happens is the guy in his easy chair with a supply of beer and television, you just push a button and it all descends down below ground until safe.
unidentified		Cool.
		We had on the Northwest News channel, they had a thing on tornadoes in this area.
		And one of the supposed experts on it was saying that recently we have had an increase in tornado sightings.
		And according to their studies, it is because we have had more people.
		A lot of the tornadoes, he says, that occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I don't know about that.
unidentified		No, this is what he said.
		I don't know.
		I mean, I know back in 1965, the year I was born, in November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are more tornadoes because there are more people.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, not because there are more people, but they're being noticed because there are more people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		You know, the people are beginning to move out into the country, into the areas where people didn't used to live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that might be an argument that holds water.
unidentified		I mean, we had a tornado in 1965 that went up about four miles in Tacoma, started in a park, knocked down 100-year-old trees, actually went between the house that my parents were in and I was in and our neighbor's house, right between the two of them, and over the little horizon and went away.
		So, I mean, we have tornadoes here.
		Rarely, yes.
		Never?
		No, we have them here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have another theory.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's because of the proliferation of mobile homes.
unidentified		You know, I think there's some sort of magnetic thing that happens when you get a bunch of mobile homes together.
unidentified		It creates some sort of field and context.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why is it not equally reasonable to say it's the proliferation of mobile homes?
unidentified		More mobile homes, more tornadoes?
		That's a good enough reason for me.
		I'm not going to go into a mobile home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		Prejudice sucker.
		Eastern the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
unidentified		This is Alan from Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in PA?
unidentified		I am in the Philadelphia area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Philadelphia area, all right?
unidentified		Linda Howe country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Linda Howe, Linda Molten Howe country, yeah.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And the other night, a gentleman called in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotta work fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at a broken country.
unidentified		And he mentioned a man by the name of Alex Collier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		I've interviewed Alex.
		Oh, no, I haven't.
unidentified		No, that's right.
unidentified		You thought it was somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another collier.
unidentified		Check the guy out on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild stuff.
unidentified		Absolutely wild stuff would be perfect for a coast-to-coast and dreamland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm up for it.
unidentified		You know me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do anything.
unidentified		Yeah, I put it out all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll do it.
unidentified		So you should check him out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Okay.
		Appreciate it.
		Take care.
		Maybe somebody out there who's got a contact number for Alex Collier will be kind enough to send it to me.
		Sure.
		Why not?
		If it's interesting, I'll do it.
		Somebody else is suggesting that we have a dead line.
		You know, we've never done that.
		A line where only the dead could call in?
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm intrigued.
		Remember Day of the Dead?
		Was it Night of the Dead, Day of the Dead?
		The Walking Dead, something.
		Dead have been known to make calls.
		And so I could have a deadline, couldn't I?
unidentified		It's worse than thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's another fact from Joe and Worcester Masse.
		Art, first off, I agree with a lady who called tonight regarding your guest having to give money to this Messiah, wherever he meets him.
		What's up with that?
		Secondly, why was your guest chosen to have this revealed to him rather than say, you or I?
		Well, I don't know about that.
		Finally, I have viewed the picture of the Messiah through the link on your website, and it didn't do a lot for me.
		Actually, it looks kind of like Saddam Hussein.
		Well, I don't know, not that much like Saddam, actually, but same genre.
		I would agree with that.
		All right, here is the story about McCaffrey.
		So the caller was correct.
		The Dutch caller was correct.
		The Clinton administration's drug czar raised the ire of the Dutch ambassador by criticizing the Netherlands' permissive drug laws.
		Retired General Barry McCaffrey, who was traveling to Europe today on a fact-finding tour, said the Netherlands' policy of letting its citizens use marijuana and other soft drugs for therapeutic and recreational purposes was, quote, an unmitigated disaster, end quote.
		The Dutch ambassador to the U.S. said he was, quote, confounded and dismayed, end quote, by McCaffrey's description of the Netherlands drug policy.
		He said that on CNN's Talk Back Live.
		Well, again, you see in this story, it says nothing about cocaine.
		It was my understanding, it was the soft drugs that were available.
		Marijuana, so-called soft drugs, magic mushrooms, various things in that particular line, but not cocaine.
		So what do I know?
		I'm here, he's there.
		I didn't think they made cocaine available.
		I still don't believe that, but I could be wrong.
		What I also believe is that cocaine requires increasing dosages to reach the same level of whatever it is you get when you do it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh.
unidentified		Is this our bell?
		What would be your best guess?
		Uh.
		Yeah?
		Yeah.
		Yeah?
		Yeah.
		Oh.
		That's pretty cool.
		Yeah.
		Um, well, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it appears to be going all right, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, uh, this is uh Joseph over in uh Paris, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paris.
unidentified		Yeah, it's near Riverside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Uh just like to say that you got a great show going.
unidentified		Uh I w I was thinking about going to d do that stuff, you know, going to radio and stuff like that, and trying to be, you know, kind of cool like you and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you want to be a tall show host?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, why?
		Uh, because it seems like you're making a lot of money and stuff, going on all cruises and trips, you know, to France and Egypt and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's why you would want to do it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, you've got your priorities mixed up.
		You're seeking the rewards before you dive into the meat of the job.
		I mean, it's like you've got to want to be a talk show host to be a talk show host.
		And then if the rest of it comes, it comes.
		You see what I mean?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're part of the American instant gratification generation.
unidentified		Huh?
		Huh?
		What does that mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, I'll try and explain.
		And there's another reason why you're not eligible yet to be a talk show host.
		What it means is, I ask you, why do you want to be a talk host?
		And you tell me, well, because I want to go on cruises and go to Paris and stuff like that.
		And what I'm trying to explain is that that is not exactly the way it works.
		First, you should want to be a talk show host so that, because for the pure joy of the job, of entering that career, of doing that work.
		And then, if you are successful, things like cruises and trips to Paris can be yours.
		But in the meantime, you're part of the instant gratification generation in the sense that you want to go to Paris, but then that's your primary goal.
		that sort of a benefit aside benefit of it it's not a Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		My name's Mitch.
unidentified		I'm from Windsor, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Land of KSRO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		Also, a ham operator.
unidentified		I won't give my call sign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		That's a no-no.
		So I'll let you know that my mother and I both enjoy your show.
		I've been listening to you for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		First, I kind of had something I wanted to ask you, at least your opinion on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Was the fact that our fearless leader, Mr. Clinton, when he went to Red China, I feel as though he had ulterior motives other than going over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think his motives were?
unidentified		Well, I don't know if you listened to Mike Savage or Savage Nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		They had a little insight.
unidentified		He plays on KSFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know of him, but I don't receive KSFO here, so I can't hear him.
unidentified		Right, okay.
		Well, I kind of, I mean, I'm not the paranoid type, and I'll get to my point.
		I think he went over there and to get the officers of the communistic China to get onto our battleships for eventually what might be a one-world government.
		I mean, You can call me paranoid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty paranoid, sir.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're pretty paranoid.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
		I mean, I pretty much keep an open mind to it.
		Just wondering what you thought about his visit over in China and what his real motives were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, actually, in a lot of ways, I thought it came off pretty well publicly.
		I expected it to be a big disaster.
		It really wasn't.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least as far as I can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was in Paris when he was in Tiananmen Square, and I got to see it.
unidentified		What was that like, being there in Tiananmen Square?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have not been in Tiananmen Square, sir.
		I said the president was in Tiananmen Square.
		I've been in communist China, but not Tiananmen Square.
		And it's a scary place.
unidentified		I bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, truly scary.
		You're watched every minute.
		You're not particularly liked and not particularly welcomed.
		And you have the feeling that, you know, I don't want to get in trouble here or I'm never getting out.
		That kind of deal.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It's kind of like going to Mexico, but worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And getting in trouble is real easy.
		Yeah.
		I definitely agree, Art.
		All right.
		Take care.
		Yeah, I thought publicly, from a PR point of view, the President's trip went pretty well.
		I didn't know that any Chinese leaders were installed on our battleships.
		That's a little worrisome, if true.
		I hadn't heard that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I wanted to offer a slightly different viewpoint on what you said earlier about Christ being a socialist.
		I would make the argument that Christ upheld the keeping of all the Ten Commandments.
		And he told us to love one another and to love God.
		And if you keep the first four, your obligation of love to God is served.
		And if you keep the first one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, but, but, but.
		Suppose, for example, you're really a rich guy.
		You have so much more than you need to maintain your own level of comfort, whatever that might be, and you don't help anybody out.
		And you walk past people who need help, and you drive past people who need help, in your mind, scoffing at them, or at least not giving a damn.
unidentified		Oh, well, I think Christ told us what to do.
		He told the rich man, you know, the rich man that told him that he kept all the Ten Commandments, and then Christ asked him, you know, would you give all your money and help the poor?
		And the rich guy had to think about that.
		Because basically, that falls back on another truism that I think it's in the Bible.
		It says that the root of all evil is the love of money.
		But money itself is not the evil thing.
		It's the love of money, the lust for more money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what does lust for more money mean?
		I think it's a good thing.
		Do you have a job?
unidentified		Oh, yes, sir.
		Do you?
		I'm working right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're working now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're calling me on your boss's time, right?
unidentified		Well, it's a very easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would the good Lord say about that?
		And anyway, that's not the point.
		And you're calling on a toll-free number, so I guess it's all right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But my question is, you make, what, by the hour, you make $9.50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to make more?
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's not the point.
unidentified		I guess that's not the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess the $13 an hour or $16 an hour?
unidentified		I guess there's a fine line, maybe.
		I think, though, that there are some people in the world that money has become their God, and that's where it becomes a sin.
		One thing that's interesting about communism or socialism is that a lot of people have the idea that it's a share the wealth program, but every country in the world that's ever foisted communism onto its people has been a consolidate and control the wealth program, which brings up an interesting thing that I've been studying, that oftentimes communist movements have been started by rich guys.
		There are several books that you can get from I forget the author's name, but he writes about communism and the rise of I think his argument was like Wall Street and the rise of Bolshevism and Wall Street, the rise of Hitler.
		He has like four books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, pure communism sounds good.
		And when I say pure, I mean pure.
		I have seen no example of it on this planet yet because it always becomes perverted and those with the power take the money.
unidentified		Well it's it's it's like to me an ingenious vote-buying scheme which in this country it's being done under the name of liberalism I think largely and the Republicans are letting it happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually though it's being also practiced by Republicans.
		I mean they're both doing it.
		Everybody's buying votes.
unidentified		Well they're the Republicans in my mind and the Democrats.
unidentified		I don't even know if you can really divide it up but they're both for welfare for the rich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I finally gave up on the Republican Party because the entire system is oriented toward buying votes one way or the other, large S distributed to those who have realized they can get it.
unidentified		Well, that's why I like the libertarian arguments that basically they want to divorce government from so many issues that basically the government can't use these issues to divide in Congress and to basically control it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, here, you're right on.
unidentified		I called in that night that you had Harry Brown on, the very last caller, and I really think it's wonderful that they're getting your support.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will have Harry on again.
unidentified		Can I ask you another thing?
		Some time ago, you had a guest on, I forget his name, but he was arguing that he was the real-life Jerry Fletcher.
		Do you remember who that guy's name was?
		Oh, you were going to check him out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did check him out.
unidentified		Yeah, what did you find out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mixed results.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, in a way, that's what you would have to expect with the real-life Jerry Fletcher.
		Mixed results, right?
		There were about half the people I contacted who thought that he was Looney Bins, and the other half backed up what he said.
		So I didn't immediately have him on again.
		I thought about it, and I've still got the number, and I'll probably have him on again.
unidentified		Because he advertises, or I think, I guess it's him, that's advertising in a paper that I get, The Spotlight, and it's in the classified section.
		And I've been thinking about, you know, I think he's selling a book or something.
		And I said, well, I'll wait until he gets back on Art Show and then give it a thought to maybe buy something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, hang in there.
		I'll probably have him back on.
		Yeah, the conspiracy theory guy.
		The real-life Fletcher.
		Eyeballs taped open the whole thing.
		Mind control.
		Very interesting.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Arbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody asks that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you get it off?
		Good.
		Yes, this is Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, this is Ray from Washington.
		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tornado Country.
unidentified		Yeah.
		In fact, we had one last couple years, in fact, in a row.
		Last year was the Tacoma incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I can say to you is you guys better behave yourselves.
unidentified		Now, I was wondering if you heard of a book called The Bible Code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Michael Drosner.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Mm-hmm.
		Have you looked into that at all?
		I have.
		What do you think of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		they say that it automatically uh...
		proven uh...
		but if you do a search and you look Oh, no.
unidentified		I got a hold of you.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you do a search and you're looking for specific phrases in something as lengthy as the Bible, you're going to find them.
		Now, whether it's supportable that you find them with scientific regularity or not yet, I have not determined.
		But a lot of people are saying it is absolutely so.
		I just wonder why God would put stuff in a code.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, why not just say it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
unidentified		Why not just say it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thou shalt not kill.
		It's very clear.
		Why would God put predictions about when presidents are going to be killed in a code that would have to be deciphered by a computer into the Bible?
		That part bothers me a little bit, but I'm open to the possibility that it is scientifically verifiable.
		Believe me, I'm open.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Erd.
unidentified		It's a real pleasure to get a hold of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Jeffrey calling from Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jeffrey.
unidentified		It's extremely early.
		Well, actually I wanted to tell you a couple of things.
		Helena Blavatsky of the Theosophical Society, Yes.
		she came right out and said that the masters of wisdom are satanic demons.
		Well.
		Yeah, and were you aware that Benjamin's magazine, Share International, is actually supported by the UN for some reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yes.
		Well, then maybe the UN believes that Benjamin's Maitreya is real and is going to come back and organize the world in a way that the UN hasn't been able to do yet.
unidentified		Yeah, no doubt.
		Don't you find that kind of shocking that the UN would be involved with something like that?
		No.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
unidentified		I mean, that's an awfully big, you know.
unidentified		I've done a lot of study on this guy in the last year and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even think we ought to pay our dues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I know.
unidentified		I totally agree.
unidentified		Did they ever pay those parking tickets, by the way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They said the UN yesterday said that if we don't pay our debt, they're going to take our vote away.
unidentified		Oh, you know, Russia's got 15 now.
		That was a cool move.
		He's what?
		Russia has 15 votes now.
		Isn't that a cool move?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how can they afford it, is my question.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		I don't know if they're paying their dues either.
		I think we're supposed to do what?
		25% or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, probably the deal is that we're going to pay for Russia's dues while ignoring our own.
unidentified		You got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After all, we're paying for their space program and largely ignoring our own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're paying to have their nukes taken apart.
unidentified		Yeah, well, we're a loving country.
		We've got a lot to give.
		We're very sharing, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the report earlier tonight about some defector who says there are teams training even in the U.S. to assassinate Americans?
unidentified		I did.
		I was reading that.
		I actually got email on that from a buddy of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great friends, huh?
unidentified		quite interesting stuff.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would have to take over broadcasting, right?
unidentified		Lord, I hope not.
unidentified		You're providing an incredible service here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, can you hold during the break?
		Please.
		Okay, Stanby.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		needle is a place, a narrow passage
		where a camel can get through and barely get through loaded hence a rich man like yourself quite a presumption on your part i must add can get to heaven but it's a rough passage thanks charts who says i'm rich besides what is rich ruin out rich uh first time calling align you're back on the air hi hi hi there well it looks like i made it through the break that's good i'm from the u.s uh
		It's true.
unidentified		So really the main reason I called was, like I started to say, I've spent about a year and a half really digging into this whole Cher International slash Benjamin Krem slash Maitreya bit.
		Right.
		And I feel like I might be able to offer some insight for some of those questions you were puzzling about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fire away.
unidentified		What's on your mind?
unidentified		You asked a couple of questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, there are all kinds of questions to ask with regard to what he said tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, why would he be required to or be aware that he was in the presence of Maitreya when he met a beggar?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		He has all sorts of question and answer pages each month, and it's all on the net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but you just said you could answer questions.
unidentified		Yeah, he speaks a lot about, you know, kind of like being tested, you know.
		and some much of this seems to be about um whether or not the world is ready and uh it it seems like there has to be a certain amount of faith it's it's a very interesting uh new religion but uh you know I guess it's heavily based on the New Age movement with the esoteric and all this.
		But he's not a good person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is it's a test.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		He actually went down to his lecture in Atlanta last November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there were a lot of people, though, who really...
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		He's a very interesting man, that's for sure.
		I actually saw the man when he was being overshadowed by Maitreya, which at the beginning and the end of his lecture, he does an overshadowing.
		And this lasted about 20 minutes, perfectly silent room, lights dimmed down to about 50%.
		And I swear to you, he was glowing, okay?
		Like a lighthouse.
		He was glowing.
		It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have learned not to mock or not to disbelieve just about anything because I've been caught up too many times, brought up short when something turns out to be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, I just remain open.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a very interesting thing.
		I've got a huge web page or website on it.
		I gave the link to Keith, so maybe he'll link it up.
		okay well right now we've already got about five or six links up there yeah he has Well, he talked about that, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you heard him.
		Thank you very much, sir.
		I appreciate it.
		Yeah, he's a very interesting man.
		Now, I understand that if you've not heard of him, or if you don't know of Benjamin Krim, then to hear him suddenly, and to hear only an hour, hour and a half, in this case, you might sit there and think, Crackpot City.
		And you might be right.
		Or you might be wrong.
		Now, on my website, there's an abundance of links, and you can do some reading and see what you think.
		But there are many, many, many people out there, believe me, like the man you just heard, quite articulate, who follow exactly what he says, understand it, and tend to believe it.
		So there you are.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		This is right up in St. George, Utah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listening to what is KDXU-890?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're actually a very powerful station.
		Yeah.
		KDXU comes in here, just crushes into the area where I am.
		Just a crusher of a signal.
unidentified		I heard one night, some guy said he was in Phoenix when he was listening to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 890 on the dial.
		Same as WLS in Chicago, but out west here.
		And then big signal, yeah.
unidentified		Hey, Art, you remember in the first hour somebody said about having a bull running in Nevada?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to do it, yeah.
unidentified		I sent you a fact a little earlier from the spectrum up here.
		They're talking about it.
		This is like they had it today.
		There's about 600 people that's going to run in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crazy as loons.
unidentified		And you know what's even crazier?
unidentified		They pay $50 each to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and plus they were required to do it sober.
		I think that was completely unreasonable.
		I mean, if you're going to do something like that, you've got to be tanked.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, what sane, sober person would pay money to run in front of a perfectly good bull?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Hey, a little thing I was talking about with one of the guys that worked here the other day.
		You know how, what is it, November there's supposed to be a meteor shower coming through?
		Oh, it's going to be a beauty.
		In the scriptures, in the Bible, like in Revelation or something like that, doesn't it say that there's, isn't there wormwood that's supposed to come down from the sky and kill about a third of the Earth's population or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poison the waters, yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		Doesn't that kind of like ring a bell or something?
unidentified		Well, you know, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that Chernobyl translates to wormwood?
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Come November, I am going to do my program from outside.
		It is going to take quite a bit of preparation to do.
		But during that intense meteor shower, I am not going to stay inside and do this show.
		I am going to do it from outside.
		I don't know how I'm going to do it just yet, but I guarantee you I'm going to do it.
		We are also going to have a night vision webcam pointed at the appropriate part of the sky.
		It's going to be very interesting.
		Maybe we'll have to see a big one out there and talk it in.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Listen, I think the reason people say art dull when you answer the phone, they don't realize that you're not screening the calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I know.
unidentified		I know.
		There's a mystery of the world solved for you.
		Say, got to tell you my libertarian joke before I get off the air, but what's the kingdom of Nye?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nye County, Nevada.
unidentified		Ah, thank you.
		Remote viewing or clairvoyancy.
		My reading from a distance.
		It exists, yes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Is there a defense against it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have discussed that at some length with remote viewers, and the answer is a qualified yes.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		There'd be ways I could find out if one was considered espionage by remote viewing or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if one's able to, I guess, master the discipline of remote viewing and get very good at it, then one would or might be aware when one is being remotely viewed.
unidentified		Very good, sir.
		Libertarian Joe, World Premier.
		How many libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Well, that would be none, because once libertarians find out that they're not bothering anybody, they're content to sit in the dark.
		Now, the reason I say that, Art, had a caller call in to the most prominent politico on the radio yesterday.
		He said he was libertarian, but he was going to vote Republican because he sees that the Libertarian Party is not going anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was a plant call then.
unidentified		Oh, seriously.
unidentified		That's an interesting comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's an interesting comment, but I could make the same comment about the Republican Party or the Democrat Party.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, look, in the case of the Republicans and the Democrats, we have had all our lives and the lives of those who have come before us to observe where it has brought us.
unidentified		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
unidentified		Well, I spent many hours, up to 40 or 50, with a well-known libertarian talking about libertarian philosophy, and I ascertained certain theoretical shortcomings in the libertarian theory.
unidentified		For example, there is no allowance for greater good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
		It simply relies on churches, on volunteer organizations, instead of the government.
		So what are you talking about?
unidentified		All right.
		Bear with me, sir.
		You're being most polite, and I am very respectful of you and your endeavors.
		I understand that Churchill had to make a decision during World War II finding out that a village of 800 people were about to be bombed.
		Now, had he taken, in his own country, if he had taken a defense to trigger that, he would have triggered to the Germans that the code had been broken, therefore jeopardizing many, many instances, even D-Day, that would have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he made the decision to the greater good.
unidentified		Yes, and what I've pointed out to my libertarian friends, and I've been to libertarian parties and they tried to recruit me, and actually I have for you a gentleman who's a great future presidential candidate.
		I'd love to turn him over to you.
		He's in college now.
		But in any event, that's a conversation for another time.
		That libertarian philosophy is very absolutist, and it would not allow for that greater good scenario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I appreciate the call.
		I'm not so sure about that.
		I'm not so sure the greater good wouldn't allow for the greater good.
		I'm not so sure about that.
		I think that would be within the philosophy.
		I think that libertarians would be very unlikely to get involved in any conflict that didn't come to their own shores or that they weren't sure was going to.
		So it would be, from a military involvement point of view, there would be a military.
		Libertarian Party certainly allows for national defense.
		But it would protect its own shores and would not be likely to be very adventuresome.
		You know, protecting the world as we appear to be doing right now.
		The world's cops as we appear to be right now.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning.
		This is Steve from Eugene, Oregon.
		Hi, Steve.
		Yeah, did you have anybody call back about the running of the bulls in Nevada?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, somebody just mentioned it, and I had a conversation with a caller about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know, 50 bucks, and you're in.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		I just heard it in the first hour, and I had to turn off for a while, and I didn't know if anybody filled in any details.
		So, yeah, that's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And plus, you have to be sober.
unidentified		Yeah, which is different than over in Italy.
unidentified		One question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		How do you deal with people that seem a little shy of a full deck?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, one at a time.
unidentified		You have great patience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm of the view that if you're reasonably talented as a talk host, you can talk to anybody about anything and have it come out to be, I don't know, somehow entertaining, informative, funny, something.
unidentified		Yeah, because if it were me, I would commit radio rage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've done it on occasion, but I think as I've grown older, I've become more tolerant.
unidentified		Yes.
		All right.
		Well, I enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		Radio, he would commit radio rage.
		It happens very rarely to me these days.
unidentified		It can occur, but very rarely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've become more tolerant.
		And as I said, I don't screen calls.
		As a matter of fact, in all of the articles, there's a bunch of articles about me.
		There's a page plus in Newsweek this week about this program.
		There are four pages in the current issue of Penthouse about this program, a very extensive article.
		I thought it was pretty cool to be in Newsweek.
		And we'll be in a number of other publications.
		But current issues on the stand.
		If you go out and get Newsweek, you will have the rare copy that has a story about Coast to Coast AM this week, Newsweek.
		Not the July 6th issue, but the one that comes after that.
		I think it actually came out on Monday.
		Some areas don't get it till later in the week, but you can go out and get it now, and you'll see it.
		And then Penthouse has my name on it, but usually Penthouse is behind the counter, so you have to ask for that.
		I'm waiting to see if my mom has a copy.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going fine.
unidentified		Congratulations on the new air conditioner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, thank you.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I just wanted to make a comment.
		How everyone keeps saying that the end is near, the end is near.
		I hate to spoil their end of the world parties, but we're kind of living in the middle of the end as we speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, these are the end days, but it's not over yet.
unidentified		Like the REM song said, it's the end of the world as we know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not over until the guy in the grey beard says so?
unidentified		Whatever it is, we're in the middle of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with that, I certainly agree.
		Thank you.
		We are in the middle of it, to be sure.
		Oh, we're in the middle of something.
		We're in the middle of something that is coming and coming now rapidly.
		I believe that with every fiber of my being.
		Not necessarily the end of the world.
		I'm not an end of the worlder.
		Because the world is going to go on.
		However, whether we continue to walk upon it and twirl upon it, that's a different question entirely.
		West of the Rockies, you're a dial tone.
		You're boring.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once, going twice, call on.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing?
		Okay.
		This is Jeff in Tapanga Canyon, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jeff.
unidentified		I had a comment about the Antichrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He called earlier.
unidentified		I don't think so.
unidentified		I think the trait of the Antichrist would be to try and seduce you and kind of bloat your own self-image so that he could...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't work.
unidentified		But the Antichrist tonight didn't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean he didn't suck up?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, time will tell.
		He sounded eerily relaxed and sure of himself.
		I didn't like that part very much.
unidentified		That pretty much sucks, as far as the argument on his part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think so?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I also had a list of some post-discontinuity pickup lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Post-discontinuity pickup lines?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Number 10?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So, what rock did you crawl out from under?
		Number 9.
		Is it hot out here or is it you?
		8.
		Can I buy you a drink of water?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		7.
unidentified		Mine shaft or yours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
unidentified		6.
		How about a cold shower?
		5.
		Let's go into the tunnel of lava.
		4.
		I love the way you sizzle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3.
unidentified		My cave has a pool.
		2.
		Mind if I smoke?
		And number 1.
		Want to go outside Friday night?
		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a symptom of too much at Dames.
		Listen, discontinuity is upon me.
		The show is over.
		Tell everybody good night.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		That's how it's done.
		Brad Steiger on Sunday.
		Monday, Malachi Martin from the High Desert.

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