Benjamin Creme claims Maitreya, the "world teacher," is now living in London, embodying the Christ principle and appearing as a beggar or refugee, including in Berkeley. He insists 14 masters of wisdom—like Jesus in Rome since 1975—guide humanity toward a "golden civilization" but faces skepticism over failed prophecies (e.g., a 1982 ad predicting a TV debut) and psychological concerns. Callers debate Maitreya’s alignment with socialism vs. libertarianism, while Bell dismisses absurd claims like a caller identifying as the Antichrist or Jesus as Lucifer. Creme’s teachings clash with biblical literalism, yet his insistence on free will and gradual revelation leaves room for doubt—raising questions about whether spiritual awakening or mass deception is unfolding. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hello there, I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
We were going to have tonight a celebration of attaining the 400th affiliate.
Can you believe it?
That's right.
Officially now, 400.
We are going to have that celebration sometime next week, probably toward the end of next week, a Thursday, a Friday, something next week.
It's the 400 mark, and we try to observe in some small but official way each century mark of affiliates.
So we're going to be doing that next week.
Now, also next week, Tim Cannon will be here to update the chat club, which are not fan club situation, the ever-growing chat clubs across America.
So that'll also be next week at some point.
We're going to speak with Benjamin Krem.
He's a very interesting man who has, who is saying now that Majora, brother Maia, is here on earth now, actually here on earth now.
That Majora will be recognized by Christians as Christ, Jews, as the Messiah, Muslims, and so forth and so on.
You get the idea.
In other words, the big guy is here now.
And a lot of people have wanted me to have him on, and so we shall.
Quite a coup, actually, to get him on the air.
He's here in America doing a speaking tour.
Welcome.
is Coast to Coast AM.
You know what?
We're up to 400 affiliates.
Now we're going to have a celebration.
We were thinking of having it tonight, but we're going to put it off until next week.
But that's it, folks.
We have made for the big 400.
Isn't that incredible?
So we'll have a celebration next week.
Let's see, what else?
There's any number of pieces of news that I've got to get to.
But I've got this dangerous guy that we're going to get on the air here.
So I've got to get to that.
Drives me nuts when people call and tell me I can't have somebody on the air.
It really makes me want to have them on.
I think that probably says something about my personality.
I don't know what.
Anyway, born in Glasgow, Scotland, Benjamin Krem began studying art at an early age, developing into an accomplished painter in the modernistic style.
His paintings have been exhibited in a number of prestigious galleries.
Throughout the early years, Krem also studied various aspects of esoteric philosophy, in particular the teachings released in the late 1800s.
He'll tell you about those.
Those teachings led him to believe in the existence of masters of wisdom, a group of perfected men who are the custodians of the divine plan for our planet.
It nevertheless came as a complete surprise to him when in 59 he apparently was contacted by one of these masters.
He was told, among other things, that Maitreya, the master of all masters, would return to live in the everyday world in about 20 years, and that Krem would, if he chose to, have a role in this coming.
Wow.
More than a decade later, in 72, Krem began a period of arduous training under his master's direction to prepare him for this coming task.
In 74, he gave the first public talk on the emergence, soon giving weekly lectures in London.
He is now actually, I believe, spoken all over the world by as many as 70.
Actually, his magazine is produced in five languages by volunteer staff and read in 70 countries.
He normally resides in London with his wife and children, and now is a representative of Maitreya, a roving ambassador at large, if you will.
So that's a very dangerous person to be if you are talking to people who are totally encased in the values of today and in love with the present-day structures, however evil, however insane they might be.
Nothing less than the emergence into our midst of that group of perfected men that you spoke of, the masters of wisdom, and the masters of all the masters, the Lord Maitreya.
Well, a man came to me and told me that I was receiving messages, communications from the masters.
I knew about the masters.
I'd read about them through the Theosophical teachings, through the Alice Bailey teachings, the Agna Yoga teachings, and firmly believed in their reality, but had not the slightest expectation of any kind of contact with them.
Well, I knew him in a different function, but he told me one day that I was receiving communications from the masters, and I said, no, I'm not.
He said, oh, yes, you are.
And I have been sent to tell you that you are.
I said, well, I don't hear them.
It is normally a telepathic rapport which they establish with their disciples.
He said, no, the messages come to you, but they just pounce off you.
I said, why is that?
He said, because you're not open.
Now, I didn't know what that meant because, as I say, I believed in the fact of the Masters, but I wasn't thinking about them.
I wasn't expecting any communications.
I just believed in their existence.
He said, don't worry, it'll come.
It'll settle down.
And probably because I had been alerted to the fact, within about, I've forgotten now, five, maybe six weeks, the first contact got through.
It was the 3rd of January, 1959.
And I heard, it was as if a beam of light or energy had been focused at my head.
And my consciousness was raised by several notches.
And there was created a kind of inner, tranquil space.
All my own thoughts disappeared.
And into that space was placed a message as clear as your voice over the telephone now.
It said, go to, if you're not London, Black Friars Bridge, South Side, Black Heathside.
And it gave me a date.
It was about three weeks ahead, 18th of January, 9.30 p.m.
And I wrote this down so I wouldn't forget it.
And on the time, I went out there with quite a thrilling expectation, because I didn't know what I was going to find.
And I crossed the bridge down to the south side.
There was no one about.
It's a very business area, south bank of Blackflowers Bridge.
At night, it's pretty deserted.
But there was a car waiting at the far end of the bridge.
And I sidled up and sort of looked inside it.
And there were some people in whom I didn't know.
But one of them was the man who had come and told me I was receiving these communications from the masters.
The whole thing started from there.
The master's voice got louder, as I might say.
He told me to get a tape recorder.
I got a small Grundig tape recorder.
And he began to give me long dictations, which I simply mouthed aloud and recorded.
And he kept doing this for about three months.
And he was really perfecting the telepathic rapport.
And I got quicker and quicker and quicker at it.
I could get it without hesitation.
In the beginning it was a bit slow, but I got very good at it and just recorded whatever he said.
And then sometime in March of the same year, 1959, he suddenly said that, switch off the machine and kneel down.
Then he said, our master, Maitreya himself, has something important to tell you.
And then I had the most extraordinary experience of my life to date.
I was overshadowed, as it's called, by Maitreya.
Some probably minuscule fragment of his consciousness entered into mine.
And I was filled with the love of all the world, an extraordinary experience of total identification with everything and everybody in the world.
A kind of universal experience such as I had never felt before.
I was filled with this tremendous energy of love, and at the same time it gave me a vision of how the masters see reality.
It was as if I was inside a great sphere, a white sphere of light.
And what I have to say on the right side and the left side, because there weren't really sides, but just as a way of describing it, on my right side I could see all the events of the past which had ever taken place, going back and back, sort of in fold, back and back and back into the very dawn of time.
And I could see events, some of which I seemed to recognize from history in school and so on.
kings and queens and battles and terrible catastrophes and various events in history.
And there was a kind of thin film over everything, so it wasn't sharp, but it was quite clear nevertheless and all in color.
And then on the other side, as it were, on my left side, I could see all the events of the future, which were simultaneously taking place.
I could see myself in the future, I could see my Treya, I could see the masters, I could see crowds of people filled with joy, shouting and calling for my trea and weeping and so glad.
It was extraordinary scenes, on and on into the future.
This happened in response to the overshadowing by my treasure, which had never occurred before, and was prepared in advance for me by the master, with whom I had been working daily for the three months before that time, from the beginning of January till sometime in March.
So it wasn't something that just suddenly happened and I didn't know where it was coming from.
Maitreya is the world teacher in that group of, from our point of view, perfected men who are the spiritual hierarchy or spiritual esoteric hierarchy of the planet.
They are the custodians of the plan of evolution for this planet.
Most people, I think, imagine that evolution proceeds in a kind of haphazard way.
It does not.
It proceeds according to a very definite plan for the unfolding of the potential of the human race and of the sub-human races until a certain state of perfection of that evolutionary process is reached and the planet will have fulfilled the plan of the heavenly man, the planetary logos whose body of expression this planet is.
Well, believe me when I tell you that right now a lot of Christians are listening and they will, of course, talk of Jesus and they will consider the person, but is it proper to return the Messiah?
Maitreya is expected by all religious people under different names.
Christians await the return of the Christ as Jesus.
Maitreya overshadowed Jesus from the baptism to the crucifixion 2,000 years ago in Palestine and manifested himself as a Christ.
Maitreya is the Christ in that he embodies in himself.
He is so advanced and so pure, he can actually embody, not simply channel through himself, but embody in his own being what we call this Christ principle.
So this planet has created a Christ.
However unadvanced this planet is, and this is an extraordinary achievement, we, the earth, have created a being high enough to embody the Christ principle.
And that is what Maitreya is.
He overshadowed Krishna and worked through Krishna.
He overshadowed Shankaracharya and others and worked through them.
He overshadowed Jesus from the baptism to the crucifixion.
And he showed the love aspect.
The Christ aspect is the love aspect.
And he is the embodiment, the Lord of love.
He showed that love in a man in its perfection for the first time through Jesus.
Jesus is now one of his closest associates, one of the advanced, what you mentioned earlier, ascended masters.
The Buddhists call him Maitreya Buddha, foretold to come now by Gautama Buddha, who said at this time would come into the world another great teacher, a Buddha like himself, by name Maitreya, who from his great spiritual stature would galvanize and inspire humanity to create a brilliant golden civilization.
Benjamin, there's also one coming who might be called Baitreya.
It's going to be the Antichrist, and there are many, I bet, who believe that what you're talking about may be the emergence or the appearance of the Antichrist.
So we'll ask you about that when we get back.
And also, it is true that you believe Maitreya, as you call him, is here on earth right now, correct?
Or promise the moon to humanity, but in fact, he is really the devil incarnate.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
It is not a man.
The Antichrist is an energy, a force, a destructive force which is deliberately released to break down the old order and to prepare the way for the Christ.
It was, it's in Revelations of St. John, as you know, but the beast 666 is unchained for a time and then chained down for a time and half a time.
This refers to what we call the Antichrist energy.
It's the destructive aspect of the first aspect of God, God the Father aspect of God, the will aspect in esoteric terminology.
It has two phases.
In its constructive, positive phase, it is the will to good.
In its destructive phase, it is what we call the Antichrist.
It's deliberately released to break down that which precedes the advent of the Christ.
It was released in John's own day through the Emperor Nero to bring an end to the Roman dispensation to prepare the way for Christendom.
It was released again in our time through Hitler, a group around him in Nazi Germany, together with a group of militarists in Japan and a further group around Mussolini in Italy.
And these three powers, the excess powers, in the war with the Allies from 1939 to 1945, embodied the energy we call the Antichrist.
Not just their evil, but the evil of all humanity from the very beginning.
By the defeat of the exist powers, by the Allies, behind whom stood Maitreya and the forces of light, the spiritual hierarchy of our planet, the masters of wisdom and Maitreya at the head, the forces of evil on this planet are defeated, not destroyed, but defeated for the time being.
So the beast has been released, now it must be chained down for a time and half a time.
That refers to the time, the age which is now opening, the age of Aquarius, as we call it, which will be the next 2,350 to 500 years, plus half the succeeding age, the age of Capricorn, when the beast will be released once again.
There will be another great war at that time, which will be fought out on the mental planes, and it will end in a complete destruction of the forces of evil on this planet.
It has been released on the astral planes for thousands of years.
Over the last hundred thousand years, that war has been going on on the astral planes, precipitated by Hitler and company onto the physical plane really from 1914 to 1918 and then again from 1939 to 45.
Because from the masses point of view, that is really one war which went underground in 1918 and came up above ground again in 1939.
No, the Antichrist is gone.
It's been, it's gone.
It's done its destructive work.
That is the little Armageddon.
The true great Armageddon will not take place until the middle of the age of Capricorn in about 3,500 years from now.
What lies ahead for humanity, if it makes the right decisions, and Maltreya is convinced that we shall make the right decisions due to his work, that is why he's here, to inspire humanity to make the right decisions, to create what will be a completely new type of world.
He brings heavenly energies and we change the world so we have a new heaven and a new earth, as it says in the Bible.
And Maitreya puts it this way, When you see and hear me, you will realize that you have known for long the truths which I utter.
Sharing and justice, brotherhood and freedom are not new concepts.
From the dawn of time, mankind has linked his aspiration to these beckoning stars.
Now, my friends, shall we anchor them in the world.
These are the words of my treya through me.
And that's what we shall do.
We shall create, through sharing of the world's resources, for the first time on the world scale, justice in the world.
A new brotherhood, a realization of the brotherhood and sisterhood of all peoples.
If we continue to use oil that we pull from the ground at current rates, in 40 to 45 years or less, all of the oil is going to be gone.
Now, if one-third of the world or less is using all of this oil and the other two-thirds of the world is quickly trying to become what we are, again I ask, how do we share these resources?
Well, we don't bother about the oil because we shall have a new technology.
Centre calls it the technology of light, which will give us unlimited power for all our activities, for all industry, for heating and lighting and transport and every other aspect.
We shall have unlimited energy directly from the sun itself.
This is the new technology of light, which, when we share the resources of the world and guarantee justice for all people everywhere, and therefore the possibility of peace for the first time, because without justice there will never be peace, and without sharing there will never be justice.
So, if we accept Maitreya's premise that we are one and that the resources of the world are given by divine providence for all of us, and share more equitably the resources of the world, create justice, and create for the first time peace in the world, then that technology will become ours.
It would be the most powerful technology that we could imagine, cosmic and source, but without peace in the world, it would be the most dangerous technology that we could use.
Well, according to the Masters, we are beginning to do so.
According to the Masters, I think it's clear if you look at the world today compared with even 10 years ago or 15 years ago, and Maitreya came into the world, I mean literally into the modern world, into London in July 1977.
And since that time, from behind the scenes, through certain individuals and the heads of government and so on, he has been creating the conditions which we now see.
The end of the Cold War, the opening up and the freeing of the states of Russia, the coming together of the two Germanies, capitalist West Germany and Communist East Germany.
An unthinkable thing has happened.
The extraordinary transformation in South Africa, where Nelson Mandela, who for 27 years was incarcerated in prison as the head of a proscribed organization, the ANC, is now the president of a new South Africa.
Abartha is a thing of the past.
All of that is really the result of the inspiration of Maitreya.
He inspired Mr. Gropachev to come to America and to talk peace and to open up through Glasnost the Soviet Union.
He came to Nelson Mandela in his prison cell and told him to write to the president for a meeting.
And Nelson Mandela smiled and said, look, I cannot even get a meeting with the governor of the prison.
And Matrea said, never mind, I know that, but you write the letter and you will see.
Yeah, Berkeley, California, where he appeared as, I suppose you would say, a modern day, slightly hippie, quite casually dressed, but nicely dressed man with a little bomber jacket on and a hat.
And he asked me for a couple of dollars for gas for his truck.
I couldn't see any truck, so I gave him a couple of dollars.
I have a moment-to-moment contact with one of Maitreya's closest disciples.
And through this moment-to-moment contact, I can verify any experience I have.
And if Maitreya wishes to appear as a beggar man, as he often does, and hundreds of people have such experiences, I could ask the Master, was that Maitreya?
And some people say, no, it wasn't.
Yes, it was.
That was the Master Jesus.
I have seen the Master Jesus years ago, who came to my house in London and asked if I could give him something to eat.
But from the point of view of those who are listening to you right now, they would ask, if this is all true, then why not request and receive for the world undeniable proof in the form of some sort of miracle that would cause people to believe as concretely as you do?
Maitreya says, those who search for signs will find them, but my method of manifestation is more simple.
But the world is filled with signs of his presence.
Take, for instance, in the Christian world, the appearances of the Madonna all over the world.
The moving Madonna, the statues which literally move, which open their eyes, clasp their hands and unclasp them and so on.
Made of plaster or stone and wood and so on.
The icons of Jesus which cry, the Madonna's which cry, real tears, sometimes blood.
This is happening by the hundreds of thousands all over the world.
Now in the Eastern world, among the Hindus, we had the extraordinary milk miracle in September 1996, when for four days the statues of Gadesha and Shiva and so on, when offered milk, lapped up the milk.
The milk literally disappeared by the millions of gallons.
The milk ran dry in India.
The shops shut.
Parliament stopped.
The streets were filled with long queues going, many of them to the temples for the first time in their lives, to watch this miraculous happening.
We saw it in London, in the temples in London, where the cameras were taken in, the television cameras, and even the operators, the camera operators or the interviewer would hold out the milk in a cup or a spoon to the statue, which is made of wood, which is made of copper, bronze, silver, brass, and the milk literally disappeared every single time.
That, I think, is the most widespread and the greatest type of miracle which has ever happened in the world.
It was all over north, south, east, west, wherever that puja was performed.
The milk was not, of course, drunk by the statues made of brass and teak and so on.
It was made to disappear by my prayer and a group of masters who do that kind of thing.
He's got an obligation later on today, actually, and he's in New York.
So what we're going to do is take calls quickly, and we'll have him back at another time when he is not so incredibly pressed.
Benjamin Krem says Maitreya is now alive, and Maia is in London, and many things are about to occur.
Benjamin Krem has had this proven to his satisfaction through a series of miracles and communications, first from what I think we can call, safely, an ascended master, and then a communication from Maitreya himself.
I was being a little flippant earlier, but I still know that many of you would believe that Maitreya is instead Baitreya, which is the Antichrist, but Benjamin Krem says firmly, no, that is not the case.
In a moment, we'll take calls and see what you think.
And the facts as I'm getting range from the incredulous to the angry to the believing, those of you who believe.
Benjamin Krem is indeed known worldwide, and for years now I have received many requests from listeners to have him on.
Fortunately, he is in the country.
Unfortunately, he's in New York, where later today I think he's going to be giving some kind of a talk, and so his time is very limited with us this evening.
That's precisely what is going to happen in the very near future.
For he has been ready to come forward since the end of May 1982.
But he has needed an invitation from humanity to do so so that he doesn't infringe our free will by just simply stepping into the limelight.
And my task has been to prepare the way, to create the climate of hope, of expectancy for his coming, so that he can enter our lives without infringing our free will.
But to speak to the world to any degree, he needs the modern communications, the media of the world.
And the media of the world has been very reluctant to invite him forward.
Well, very soon, he has been invited by one of the major networks in this country, one of the big four.
And he will appear.
They have an arrangement that when he gives the time, he can appear, I think, within a few days.
And he has simply been waiting for an event which he predicted in 1988, with a whole series of predictions, one by one of which have come true.
And this one is of a world stock market crash, which he said would begin in Japan.
In 1988, the NICA average of Japan stood at 40,000.
Within a couple of years, it had come right down to 14,000 points.
And for the last couple of years, as you know, it's hovered around 14,000 to maybe 17,000 points with the constant infusion of billions of yen into the economy by the Japanese government.
And nothing happens.
Then, last October, November, we had the collapse of the so-called tiger economies, South Korea, Malaysia, the Asia crisis.
Then the stock markets of the West, the Dows Index, the FTSE in London and the others in Europe, began to wobble and they lost hundreds of points.
But in a few days, they recovered.
And he's waiting until that same collapse in the East takes place in the West.
And when it's obvious that it's going to do so, he will take the invitation to speak on this major network of this country and then in Japan to come forward to help to mitigate the effects of this crisis.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Crem.
Hello, where are you, please?
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Yes, I'm Arnold, and I'm from St. Paul, and I wanted to ask Mr. Crem, does it bother him, or two questions actually, does it bother him that he's stating about my master Jesus is with this other master he's talking about.
And it's ironic to me that this Maitreya, as he calls him, he's standing on the same platform as what they state the Antichrist.
This ain't file.
This is what it states.
I mean, that he would come in doing peaceful things and then turn around after in the middle of a seven-year tribulation, three and a half years, to do the dirt that he's going to do.
And I wanted to ask him specifically how does he feel about the delusion that the devil would send through this man, not up front, but come in as a choir boy.
Do you believe in that interpretation of your scriptures?
I don't.
I believe that the scriptures are real, they are prophetic and truth, but it is a question of how you interpret them.
They are not meant to be taken literally.
They are symbolic.
And symbolically and esoterically interpreted, they show a very different picture to what your expectations no doubt are.
But let's not try to be clever about this.
The tree is known by its fruit.
When you see my prayer, when you experience his love, his wisdom, the insight, the mind which is crystal clear and can cut through to the heart of every problem and illuminate the problems for us, when you see his total, absolute compassion, I believe that you will have no difficulty in seeing him as he is, the Lord of love.
Returned this time himself with Jesus and a whole group of other masters, some of whom were the disciples around Jesus in Palestine, who are now masters in their own right.
And this will change your view not only of Maitreya, but of the Bible interpretation, which you take literally and accept as the pronounced truth.
All right, West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Benjamin Krem.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, this is Stephen from Los Angeles.
I did an interview with Bob Larson a few years ago as an abductee, and I have been having a lot of psychic abilities since my abduction, since I was a kid, and I've been the black sheep of the family because of my abilities.
And Bob Larson asked me, quite frankly, he says, who is the Antichrist?
And I gave him the answer of, it's more of a consciousness more than it is individual.
Now, he said the same thing, your guest, Benjamin.
And I'm very curious as to what is going on with abductees or people who experience things from another realm.
Well, since I've been asked, my opinion of abductees is that there are no abductees.
That the abductee phenomena is in the astral imagination of the people involved.
I know about the Space Brothers, I know about the UFOs, and my knowledge of them and their relation to our own spiritual hierarchy is that they are totally beneficent, that they have no plans of any malicious nature for humanity, that they don't need to abduct humanity.
They don't need to experiment with us.
They are so much more evolved than we are.
Their craft are created by thought alone, and they themselves guide them by thought alone.
And so, you know, the fact that they would take up human beings and make little experiments on them to find out this, that, about, they have known us for thousands of years.
They are so far ahead of us in their technology, in their consciousness, that the very idea of abducting us is to me just silly.
And people have the experience, because they see UFOs, which are seen by hundreds of thousands of people all over the world, but it sets up a kind of hysterical trigger reaction in them, excites their astral imagination, and they imagine they're being abducted.
So then these professors at these large colleges, universities, American universities that have said they're going to study UFOs because there appears to be significant evidence worthy of study are out to lunch and will find nothing.
The UFOs, the unidentified flying objects, are spacecraft.
They are real.
But they are made of etheric matter.
Now, if you have etheric vision, you can see them.
And when they are seen, they simply lower the vibrational rate of the etheric matter until they come within our range of vision.
It's a temporary manifestation.
And when they raise it again, they appear to disappear.
They're still there, but they have disappeared from our range of vision.
The Roswell incident is a specific case in part where there was a crashed UFO, deliberately crashed, by a group of Martian men and women, five of them, one of whom survived for a time the craft,
the others were killed, and whom autopsies were made, and then the bodies themselves disintegrated, as did the craft itself, because they are made of aesthetic matter.
And so we're in a dense physical state for only a limited length of time.
I have been working for 24 years publicly now simply to create the climate in which he can do it without infringing our free will.
When we ask him to come forward and make himself known on a world scale, the television networks of the world will be linked together through satellite, which are in place for this event so that for the first time in history, the world teacher can come forward and speak directly to all people without the need for intermediaries, priests, organizations, and so on.
And on that day, you will see him on the day, what we call the day of declaration, in which he will declare himself openly as the teacher for this coming age.
Well, they may do, but they will find very different in a very short time.
They will come round because they will recognize his goodness, they will recognize his love, they will experience it on the day of decoration as they have never done before.
His love will pour through the hearts of all humanity.
It will be a repetition on a world scale of what actually happened at the Pentecost 2,000 years ago on a Muslim.
In Afghanistan, apparently a religious movement there has given all the people of Afghanistan 15 days to get rid of all their TV sets or to see them smashed by religious police.
That's right.
Also, Video cassette recorders, videotaped and satellite programs as well, satellite dishes, all of them are going to be gone or they are going to be smashed by religious cops in Afghanistan.
Now, the world of earthquakes is upon us.
As you know, we had a very serious earthquake felt in Anchorage, Kodiak, Fairbanks, Palmer, Cordova, shaking an area about 225 miles by 500 miles.
That's a big earthquake.
It was 6.4.
There also are earthquakes just now recently.
Let's see, Yucca Valley, about 20 miles north of Yucca Valley.
Acotilla Wells, California.
That pretty good shaker, about 4.1.
Taft, California.
All over the place.
I've got a list here of the recent earthquakes, and oh my goodness, aren't we active?
Hemet, Ridgecrest.
I could go on and on.
A lot of earthquakes.
A lot of volcanic action.
A lot going on.
Now, here's a story that I want to get out.
It seems that hundreds of people have put down 50 bucks apiece for the apparent thrill of running in front of two dozen bulls Saturday in an event patterned after the annual celebration in Pampalona, Spain.
Organizers have taken steps to prevent the running of the bulls at the Oasis Ranch from becoming the mad, drunken, and sometimes deadly rampage that clogs the streets of Pampalona.
The dirt road course is not so treacherous.
Participants are expected to be sober.
Why?
And everyone is taking special care to be nice to the bulls.
Well, hell yes.
Why would anybody pay to run in front of a bull?
About 400 people have signed up, idiots, to be chased by the bulls down a quarter-mile S-shaped road in the town, the Arizona state line in southeastern Nevada, here in Nevada.
Why would anybody want to run out in front of a perfectly good bull?
I have never understood this in Spain, and I sure as hell don't understand it here in Nevada.
Crazy.
But I'll watch.
It should be humorous to watch.
And furthermore, if you were going to do it, why would you want to do it sober?
How could you do it sober?
And then just one more item.
Let me reread this, okay?
Brace yourself.
Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Every month for the past year, the story goes, a private yacht has quietly sailed out to sea for international waters.
Aboard are 25 people determined to dive peacefully into David Jones' locker beneath the waves.
Euthanasia cruises are a new way for the terminally ill to end their suffering and relieve loved ones unable to cope with shattered lives.
Privately financed, this rather bizarre venture is managed by a team of pro-Kvorkian advocates who maintain a very low profile.
No advertising so far, but word of mouth has generated, get this folks, a list of 600 in the U.S. and Canada waiting to go.
Weekly cruises, weekly, are being planned for the summer of 98.
Although it says in the article, unattributed, this reporter was not permitted to go aboard the chartered boat, somebody named Dr. Rogers, probably not his real name, is the motivating force behind this modern crusade that allows people to die on demand.
With regard to the legality of euthanasia cruises, the so-called Dr. Rogers says, I don't know if this is a real story.
Maybe it is.
We provide a sensible service at a low cost.
There are dozens of calls daily, and we're delighted to offer innovative and humanitarian plans that circumvent the archaic laws of our land.
That sure sounds like Kovarkian.
Thus far, euthanasia cruises have not been challenged in the courts because they function as a covert operation.
And the one-way passengers are all willing to make the trip.
As I said earlier, this, of course, invites all kinds of possible comic content, which I may try to avoid.
You can almost close your eyes.
You can imagine the advertisement for this cruise.
You can imagine the name for the cruise lines that would be doing this.
People either loved him or hated him and nothing in between.
unidentified
Yeah, well, it's a highly charged subject.
And my personal opinion, I first ran into him when he came out with a book around 1982 or so.
And I think it was Benjamin Cram and The Masters of Wisdom or something like that.
I don't remember the exact title.
And I read through it, and there's two things that, and I didn't hear part of what he had in the book on the air tonight, and that's why I wanted to call.
I liked a lot of the spiritual messages And love and everything else.
But what I did see also in the book was that it was basically a call to world socialism.
But he did say something about trying to fit big, old, fat, rich guys through the eye of a needle.
No, that was a camel, or I don't know, something like that.
unidentified
Well, he sort of shunned that.
He believed that we should all just trust in God.
You know, there's so many parts of the gospel that said, well, you know, if God takes care of a sparrow, and you're more valuable than a sparrow kind of thing.
That's one thing he said.
And by the way, as far as the Bible is concerned, I'm not a Bible-thumping guy.
I'm sort of a spiritual guy, but I'm not a toe-the-line religious guy.
And one of the things Jesus said in the Bible, though, that Benjamin Cram addressed was the part about the Antichrist.
And there's a specific thing that I was reading tonight about what Jesus said about the Antichrist.
And what he said was, if anybody says that this guy is the Christ or that Christ, don't believe him.
If he says he's in the desert or he's in the closed room, don't believe him.
He said Christ would come as lightning in the sky, so to speak.
He'd come in the clouds.
It almost sounds like an abduction art.
But, you know, that's where the rapture comes from, where he'd come, like, one would be left, one would be taken.
Now, I was told that you would be saying stuff like that, but that we shouldn't listen.
unidentified
You were told that, and you have been drummed, that has been drummed into the people by the very religious leaders that claim to lead the people to life and peace and happiness by God and by Jesus.
One book he wrote was called The Ultimate Frontier.
That was his first book back in 63.
And concerning Maitreya and that subject, he wrote a little bit about that in a book he wrote in 86, I think it was, called Spiritual Seeker's Guidebook.
Well, now that's interesting, because he said, Creme also, that the Antichrist was in Nazi Germany.
Now, I understand that, well, at least according to Kenninger's book, Spiritual Seekers Guidebook, that this woman, Helena Blavatsky, was she influenced people who were tied in with the Nazis and Hitler,
and that I guess she headed the theosophical movement, and then Alice Bailey kind of took over when she died in 1891.
Why would Maitreya, even though we live in an electronic age, need to take out ads in newspapers or when he finally gets ready to, you know, say, here I am, need my show or ABC or NBC or CBS or whatever network, maybe even CNN?
Of course, they're probably a little gunshy right now, but why would he need any of that?
I know, it's really upsetting when these things disappear from the end of your cigarette and you don't know where they have gone.
But I don't see any unusual smoke yet.
Anyway.
unidentified
Anyhow, on this ad here, like I said, I saved it all these years.
I don't know why, but I felt maybe there'd be, you know, it would have some significance later.
There's a few things interesting about it.
One of them was that it announced, like I said, this was in April 25th, 1982.
In the ad, it says that Lord Maitreya would be revealing himself universally to everyone in the world over telepathically, over everyone's television set.
See, that immediately, that gets on a lot of people's cases.
unidentified
That does, yeah.
It says, soon will acknowledge his identity and within the next two months, and this is in 1982, will speak to humanity through a worldwide television and radio broadcast.
I'll have to listen to Como again, but they said earlier tonight, because we were expecting thunderstorms here, and we might still get one here in Seattle, but it was like, get down in the basin.
But what you heard there, that crackling sound in that person's radio, that's generally, that was a very good example, actually, of AC line interference.
You know, you get a little spark over on a pole out there, and that's what it sounds like.
That kind of little crackly sound in the background.
But, you know, in a lot of ways, if you read the Bible and if you read about Jesus, you would have to conclude Jesus, at a bare minimum, was a socialist.
Somebody called earlier and said libertarian, but actually his own particular political philosophy would lean towards socialism, certainly.
Right?
Sharing what there is, and that the fat rich guys would have as much chance of going to heaven as pulling the humped camel through the eye of a needle, that kind of thing.
Maybe it's just me, Art, but I think maybe I've just gone too cynical in my old age or something, but I've just never heard of a Messiah always hitting his favorite disciple up for bucks every time he sees him.
Well, you know, I mean, yeah, you just, you know, thoughts of the Messiah, you know, you think, you know, he's done all these miracles to prove himself.
to us and not as of yet right but you know he he did all the miracles and many Benjamin quoted a big thing about, well, I'm sure you heard it, about milk or something.
Now, I know this is impertinent, but I require advanced notice of a miracle.
And then if it happens, boy, you've got my attention.
unidentified
Well, you know, I mean, you know, I figure, you know, if he can, you know, cause, you know, idols to slurp up milk and what have you, that he should be able to, you know, support himself without, you know, hitting people up for a couple of dollars.
I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.
I don't, you know, I kind of put my money on, you know, price being on Mars and contacting Richard Hoagland.
I think that's probably just as insane as anything else.
This is Eric calling from Amsterdam in the Netherlands.
Oh, Eric, welcome to the program.
I'm calling to announce the unfortunate visit of Barry McCaffrey to Europe.
And he's apparently starting to spread a whole bunch of lies.
And the Netherlands ambassador, just the most recent news over the top of the hour, reports that the Netherlands ambassador is very irked that Barry McCaffrey would have said that the Netherlands drug policy is a total failure, an unmitigated disaster, I believe, is the quote.
Stay right there from Amsterdam in the Netherlands, where they have a very different kind of drug policy, as a matter of fact.
We've got a caller, so we will hold this caller online, or try to anyway, through the break, and come back and talk with him about what actually goes on in Amsterdam, where drugs are freely available and there's much consternation about whether or not it works.
unidentified
You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 10th, 1998.
Without your love, oh, baby, don't leave me this away.
I can't accept.
I surely miss your tender care.
But don't leave me this way.
Oh, baby, my heart is full of love and love for you.
Now go down and do what you gotta do.
You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AF from July 10th, 1998.
Now, when I first did nighttime talk radio, my boss said, okay, I'll put you out there, but if it doesn't work, the big hook is going to come along and yank you out.
Okay, so under that principle, I'll allow you to go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, due to the elegance with which the Dutch system of proportional representation and the generally much functions and the generally much more civilized nature of political debate and political process in the Netherlands, the Dutch have been able to partially rid themselves of the yoke of prohibition,
albeit under increasingly fierce and vitriolic international bitching, fuming, sniping, name-calling, threats of impending doom, and abrogation of international treaty obligations, particularly on the part of France, Britain, and the United States.
Personal possession and use of drugs, both hard and soft, are entirely legal.
The open sale of marijuana, hashish, magic mushrooms, the entire range of ephredrine and pseudoethrine products, often termed smart drugs, and all other substances not appearing on the list of officially banned substances, like cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine, is officially tolerated under the Dutch policy.
The results have been spectacular.
Now, since research in the U.S. is forbidden entirely, there is nothing relevant that exists there.
However, the same is not the case for the Netherlands.
And the Dutch ambassador to the United States is properly quoted as saying he is confounded and amazed because, now, a couple of buttes from the official documentation of the Netherlands drug policy published jointly by the Netherlands Ministry of Health and Justice,
updated regularly and entitled appropriately, The Drug Policy of the Netherlands, will elegantly dash some of the pervasive lies which masquerade as common sense on this issue, those lies which Barry McCaffrey is coming to Europe with in his suitcase.
First, marijuana.
In the absence of the silliness of prohibition, marijuana's appeal and pathology is as follows.
The appeal of the drug peaks at age 23 and its use disappears nearly entirely after age 30.
Now, can you imagine trying to tell that to the Partnership for a Drug-Free America?
No.
Okay, now further, cocaine use, the research in the Netherlands shows, does not yield negative sociological, physiological, or psychological results until its use exceeds 2.5 grams per week.
There may be a lot of lies, and I'm just told about marijuana, but the fact that to achieve the same level of high requires a continued and greater use and an amount of cocaine is a general truth.
So I'm sorry.
I disagree with that completely.
I think cocaine is an extremely dangerous drug.
Extremely dangerous.
Extremely addictive.
And ruins lives, not just because it's illegal, but because it really is a very damaging drug.
I believe that.
And when you try and lump marijuana in with cocaine, you do irreparable damage to any possibility of a rational drug policy in this country.
Which is why you guys do a lot of flooding and that sort of thing.
Water doesn't go in, and digging into it is a pain, if nothing else.
I wanted to call you, though, that you had a woman on before you went to the break that was from this area and was saying that we never have earthquakes.
Tornadoes here.
And she is actually very wrong.
No, no, we're not.
And I will agree that they're very rare, but they do happen.
In the past four years, I believe, we have had four tornadoes, somewhere give or take.
We had two of them about two years ago.
One of them touched down in a motorhome, Mobile Park, of course.
Some guy sent me something really cool that I put on the website.
It was called a mobile home tornado escape pod.
And it was a thing where if you get a warning and you get a message like that to go to your basement, of course there isn't one.
So what happens is the guy in his easy chair with a supply of beer and television, you just push a button and it all descends down below ground until safe.
unidentified
Cool.
We had on the Northwest News channel, they had a thing on tornadoes in this area.
And one of the supposed experts on it was saying that recently we have had an increase in tornado sightings.
And according to their studies, it is because we have had more people.
I mean, we had a tornado in 1965 that went up about four miles in Tacoma, started in a park, knocked down 100-year-old trees, actually went between the house that my parents were in and I was in and our neighbor's house, right between the two of them, and over the little horizon and went away.
Well, here's another fact from Joe and Worcester Masse.
Art, first off, I agree with a lady who called tonight regarding your guest having to give money to this Messiah, wherever he meets him.
What's up with that?
Secondly, why was your guest chosen to have this revealed to him rather than say, you or I?
Well, I don't know about that.
Finally, I have viewed the picture of the Messiah through the link on your website, and it didn't do a lot for me.
Actually, it looks kind of like Saddam Hussein.
Well, I don't know, not that much like Saddam, actually, but same genre.
I would agree with that.
All right, here is the story about McCaffrey.
So the caller was correct.
The Dutch caller was correct.
The Clinton administration's drug czar raised the ire of the Dutch ambassador by criticizing the Netherlands' permissive drug laws.
Retired General Barry McCaffrey, who was traveling to Europe today on a fact-finding tour, said the Netherlands' policy of letting its citizens use marijuana and other soft drugs for therapeutic and recreational purposes was, quote, an unmitigated disaster, end quote.
The Dutch ambassador to the U.S. said he was, quote, confounded and dismayed, end quote, by McCaffrey's description of the Netherlands drug policy.
He said that on CNN's Talk Back Live.
Well, again, you see in this story, it says nothing about cocaine.
It was my understanding, it was the soft drugs that were available.
Marijuana, so-called soft drugs, magic mushrooms, various things in that particular line, but not cocaine.
So what do I know?
I'm here, he's there.
I didn't think they made cocaine available.
I still don't believe that, but I could be wrong.
What I also believe is that cocaine requires increasing dosages to reach the same level of whatever it is you get when you do it.
Uh just like to say that you got a great show going.
Uh I w I was thinking about going to d do that stuff, you know, going to radio and stuff like that, and trying to be, you know, kind of cool like you and stuff.
I know of him, but I don't receive KSFO here, so I can't hear him.
unidentified
Right, okay.
Well, I kind of, I mean, I'm not the paranoid type, and I'll get to my point.
I think he went over there and to get the officers of the communistic China to get onto our battleships for eventually what might be a one-world government.
You have so much more than you need to maintain your own level of comfort, whatever that might be, and you don't help anybody out.
And you walk past people who need help, and you drive past people who need help, in your mind, scoffing at them, or at least not giving a damn.
unidentified
Oh, well, I think Christ told us what to do.
He told the rich man, you know, the rich man that told him that he kept all the Ten Commandments, and then Christ asked him, you know, would you give all your money and help the poor?
And the rich guy had to think about that.
Because basically, that falls back on another truism that I think it's in the Bible.
It says that the root of all evil is the love of money.
I think, though, that there are some people in the world that money has become their God, and that's where it becomes a sin.
One thing that's interesting about communism or socialism is that a lot of people have the idea that it's a share the wealth program, but every country in the world that's ever foisted communism onto its people has been a consolidate and control the wealth program, which brings up an interesting thing that I've been studying, that oftentimes communist movements have been started by rich guys.
There are several books that you can get from I forget the author's name, but he writes about communism and the rise of I think his argument was like Wall Street and the rise of Bolshevism and Wall Street, the rise of Hitler.
I have seen no example of it on this planet yet because it always becomes perverted and those with the power take the money.
unidentified
Well it's it's it's like to me an ingenious vote-buying scheme which in this country it's being done under the name of liberalism I think largely and the Republicans are letting it happen.
That's why I finally gave up on the Republican Party because the entire system is oriented toward buying votes one way or the other, large S distributed to those who have realized they can get it.
unidentified
Well, that's why I like the libertarian arguments that basically they want to divorce government from so many issues that basically the government can't use these issues to divide in Congress and to basically control it.
Well, then maybe the UN believes that Benjamin's Maitreya is real and is going to come back and organize the world in a way that the UN hasn't been able to do yet.
unidentified
Yeah, no doubt.
Don't you find that kind of shocking that the UN would be involved with something like that?
where a camel can get through and barely get through loaded hence a rich man like yourself quite a presumption on your part i must add can get to heaven but it's a rough passage thanks charts who says i'm rich besides what is rich ruin out rich uh first time calling align you're back on the air hi hi hi there well it looks like i made it through the break that's good i'm from the u.s uh
It's true.
unidentified
So really the main reason I called was, like I started to say, I've spent about a year and a half really digging into this whole Cher International slash Benjamin Krem slash Maitreya bit.
Right.
And I feel like I might be able to offer some insight for some of those questions you were puzzling about.
Well, I know, but you just said you could answer questions.
unidentified
Yeah, he speaks a lot about, you know, kind of like being tested, you know.
and some much of this seems to be about um whether or not the world is ready and uh it it seems like there has to be a certain amount of faith it's it's a very interesting uh new religion but uh you know I guess it's heavily based on the New Age movement with the esoteric and all this.
Well, I have learned not to mock or not to disbelieve just about anything because I've been caught up too many times, brought up short when something turns out to be true.
So, you know, I just remain open.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a very interesting thing.
I've got a huge web page or website on it.
I gave the link to Keith, so maybe he'll link it up.
okay well right now we've already got about five or six links up there yeah he has Well, he talked about that, too.
Now, I understand that if you've not heard of him, or if you don't know of Benjamin Krim, then to hear him suddenly, and to hear only an hour, hour and a half, in this case, you might sit there and think, Crackpot City.
And you might be right.
Or you might be wrong.
Now, on my website, there's an abundance of links, and you can do some reading and see what you think.
But there are many, many, many people out there, believe me, like the man you just heard, quite articulate, who follow exactly what he says, understand it, and tend to believe it.
Otherwise, what sane, sober person would pay money to run in front of a perfectly good bull?
unidentified
Exactly.
Hey, a little thing I was talking about with one of the guys that worked here the other day.
You know how, what is it, November there's supposed to be a meteor shower coming through?
Oh, it's going to be a beauty.
In the scriptures, in the Bible, like in Revelation or something like that, doesn't it say that there's, isn't there wormwood that's supposed to come down from the sky and kill about a third of the Earth's population or something?
Yeah, if one's able to, I guess, master the discipline of remote viewing and get very good at it, then one would or might be aware when one is being remotely viewed.
unidentified
Very good, sir.
Libertarian Joe, World Premier.
How many libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
Well, I mean, look, in the case of the Republicans and the Democrats, we have had all our lives and the lives of those who have come before us to observe where it has brought us.
Well, I spent many hours, up to 40 or 50, with a well-known libertarian talking about libertarian philosophy, and I ascertained certain theoretical shortcomings in the libertarian theory.
For example, there is no allowance for greater good.
It simply relies on churches, on volunteer organizations, instead of the government.
So what are you talking about?
unidentified
All right.
Bear with me, sir.
You're being most polite, and I am very respectful of you and your endeavors.
I understand that Churchill had to make a decision during World War II finding out that a village of 800 people were about to be bombed.
Now, had he taken, in his own country, if he had taken a defense to trigger that, he would have triggered to the Germans that the code had been broken, therefore jeopardizing many, many instances, even D-Day, that would have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Yes, and what I've pointed out to my libertarian friends, and I've been to libertarian parties and they tried to recruit me, and actually I have for you a gentleman who's a great future presidential candidate.
I'd love to turn him over to you.
He's in college now.
But in any event, that's a conversation for another time.
That libertarian philosophy is very absolutist, and it would not allow for that greater good scenario.
I'm not so sure the greater good wouldn't allow for the greater good.
I'm not so sure about that.
I think that would be within the philosophy.
I think that libertarians would be very unlikely to get involved in any conflict that didn't come to their own shores or that they weren't sure was going to.
So it would be, from a military involvement point of view, there would be a military.
Libertarian Party certainly allows for national defense.
But it would protect its own shores and would not be likely to be very adventuresome.
You know, protecting the world as we appear to be doing right now.
The world's cops as we appear to be right now.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Morning.
This is Steve from Eugene, Oregon.
Hi, Steve.
Yeah, did you have anybody call back about the running of the bulls in Nevada?
Well, look, I'm of the view that if you're reasonably talented as a talk host, you can talk to anybody about anything and have it come out to be, I don't know, somehow entertaining, informative, funny, something.
unidentified
Yeah, because if it were me, I would commit radio rage.