Dr. Barry Taff recounts the 1974 The Entity case—Doris’s Culver City hauntings by three assaultive apparitions, verified by neighbors and recorded greenish-yellow lights reacting to commands—before detailing Jackie Hernandez’s 1989 attacks, where investigators like Jeff Wheatcraft were physically harmed by unseen forces. Taff links poltergeists to UFOs via dimensional travel, citing cases like Anaheim’s 1976 abduction tape with unnatural sine-wave sounds and a WWII bomber’s haunting at Whiterstad. He dismisses good/evil absolutes but warns of societal collapse if governments reveal suppressed psi-UFO evidence, referencing the Brookings Report’s 1960 caution. Callers debate temporal anomalies (e.g., Greg’s 1970s political precognition) and gamma-ray bursts, while Taff insists discarnate intelligence—not human psychology—explains rare phenomena, despite inconsistent electromagnetic readings. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across this great land of ours.
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Great to be here in the next hour comes Barry Papp.
Dr. Barry Papp.
He is a world-renowned parapsychologist.
In case you have forgotten, he is the guy who did the actual work on the movie The Entity starring Barbara Hershey.
I wonder if you remember that.
He's got a new book out.
We'll tell you all about that in the next hour.
And he's got a lot of goodies for you, including some audio tapes that I think will put a chill down your spine if it wasn't chilled last night.
And all the news today puts a chill down my spine.
A Defiant India basically set off two more underground nuclear explosions today, saying they are the last in the series, but nobody believes them.
And NBC did a very, very long piece about how the world once again is facing the possibility, I say again, facing the possibility of nuclear war.
That it could happen.
That there are a number of scenarios, you might imagine, one in which Pakistan tests its own nuclear bomb, and Korea follows.
And by the way, if you want something to chill you out a little, Korea today suggested that it may well abandon the promise to get rid of this old nuclear reactor so that it can continue to make bomb-grade plutonium.
They said that today, in reaction.
China is likely going to be nervous.
They've got several hundred nukes stored up.
And so they did a big piece on all of a sudden, here it is again, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the possibility of nuclear holocaust.
And I told you when I heard that that the repercussions of that would be very, very serious, and so they are, and they are still only but beginning.
So I guess maybe it's time for kids to have nightmares again.
Maybe the world has to relearn lessons every so often no matter what.
We dropped the bomb and the world was horrified.
Remember?
The world was absolutely horrified that we would do that.
It ended the Second World War.
And frankly, memories of it, I think, have kept us from nuclear war all this time.
But I wonder how long the memory really is lasting.
It would appear now, to me, that the memory is just about faded enough that we're in danger of the possibility of nuclear war once again, and what's been going on the last few days sure does prove that.
There were talks today between our Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, and Benjamin Netanyahu, but the talks did not produce anything at all.
They will resume their talks tomorrow.
But as of today, no change.
The Russian economy is moving slowly toward recovery, weighted heavily by corruption, they've got the mob there, the need for revenue.
Russia is presently treading water, and it's going to be yet a long time before Russia ever catches up economically with anybody.
Now, I want to talk to you a little bit about something that is not in the news, but absolutely ought to be.
Incidentally, NBC, you may have seen, noted that El Niño is not yet done.
It rained here.
It's been raining for about the last, oh, I don't know, on and off, 24 hours.
And I hear there is another weekend storm on the way.
The temperature here in the desert, which should be very high right now, we should be well into our summer, is in the 40s and low 50s at best.
There's lots of new snow on the mountain behind me.
I'll take a photograph on the studio cam tomorrow.
You can see it.
The snow level, I would estimate, at about 5,000 feet, maybe 4,000 feet here.
It's really something.
I've never seen weather like this, never.
And NBC did a big piece finally last night and noted that indeed there has not been weather like this.
Tornadoes in southern and northern California.
Actually, I don't even want to sit here and document it.
The weather almost everywhere, with very few exceptions, has been astoundingly changed.
And they interviewed scientists on NBC who said, well, yes, it would seem El Nino is not gone yet.
They may have a surprise ahead.
Here's a fact.
Now, this is something that isn't in the news and damn well ought to be.
Arn, I live in North Georgia, Dalton, Georgia.
And there's not a cloud in the sky here tonight, but there sure is a haze over the moon.
Last night the sky Was clear and the moon was perfectly clear and visible tonight.
The hazy halo around the moon has got to be a result of the fires in Mexico and parts of South America.
You bet it is.
And nobody worldwide is really reporting this.
Isn't that interesting?
There are fires now in Mexico, which is seeing temperatures of 118 degrees, and Guatemala as well, that have the entire Texas coast, Rio Grande Valley to the Louisiana border on alert.
They're saying the haze is very dangerous smoke and has indeed traveled all the way from Central and South America.
Dangerous particles in the air.
And nobody's reporting it.
None of the network media is reporting this event, and it is an event.
I began hearing about it last night.
Here's another one for you.
This comes from the news up in Canada, Dayline Sao Paulo.
An underground fire is smoldering and spreading underfoot in southeastern Brazil, and local firefighters have no idea how to deal with it.
Said Sergeant David Francisco de Silva, it's complicated.
He's a firefighter in San Jose de Campos, outside San Paulo.
He said, we're talking about a subterranean fire.
So you can saturate the land, but there's not much else you can do.
The fire is burning near the surface, but is in a park area, and apparently doesn't pose a threat to anybody's property, but it is an ongoing underground fire.
Temperatures four inches below the ash-covered surface reach 140 degrees Fahrenheit.
So you dig down four inches, and it's 140 degrees.
Now, the reports about the very serious fires in Mexico are accurate.
A repeat, they are accurate.
Very serious fires.
Guatemala, very serious fires.
The smoke reaching all the way in some cases now to the Caribbean.
And we're not hearing much about it.
Pretty weird, you ask me.
Here's a follow-up on the cat story from the Toronto Sun.
Michael Clement wrote this in the Toronto paper there.
Spunky the mad cat went home yesterday in a plastic container.
The Siamese hobby, Cross, was shot to death by police May 4th when she went berserk and attacked guests at her owner's Weston Road apartment.
Her owner said, I miss her, who picked up Spunky's cremated remains yesterday.
She used to sleep with me.
She'd run to the door every time we came home and meow.
Well, she wasn't a bad cat, said this young waitress, 24.
This cat, normally docile, suddenly went crazy, jumped on the leg of one of this young lady's party guests, madly scratching and attacking anyone who tried to touch her.
When put in the bathroom, Spunky was howling and head-butting the door.
Her claims she is too upset, too, by the number of anonymous abusive calls they've received.
They just can't believe that police had to shoot her.
They think she must have been given alcohol or drugs or something.
They're calling us a bunch of losers.
We weren't partying.
I don't do drugs.
Never have.
There was no alcohol around.
No one harmed her.
We wouldn't do that, she said.
But nevertheless, Spunky is now a bag of ashes.
In a moment, I'll do a little more and we'll open the lines.
Listen, I do want to make note.
You might want to go up to the website.
After the blast by Benson's attorneys, and they did send a blast at us and they made us, you know, I had done the website with proper credit given, you know, the two cartoons that Benson had done of me, Steve Benson, the Arizona Republic.
And that's all we had up there, the two that he had done of me with my name on them.
But we got a threatening letter from their attorneys, and they said, take them off or else.
Well, we took them off.
However, matter of fact, you can see the letter they wrote up there.
However, we are now initiating our view of Benson contest.
And you are welcome to be part of it.
It's one of the fun little things we do here.
We've decided to volley back at the Arizona Republic and Steve Benson by allowing you, my listening audience, and in many cases, his viewing audience, to submit your view of Benson.
That's right, your view of Benson.
And we already have the first three posted up there on the website right now.
If you would like to see what the first three people who did something think of, you know, their view of Benson, it's a free First Amendment world out there, folks.
So you make the cartoons, send them to my webmaster, and the award-winning cartoons will be posted on the website, just like three we've got up there right now.
If you're a bit of an artist with a sense of humor and you have a view of Benson that you would like to air, please send them to my ever-so attentive webmaster, the very creative webmaster that I have, Keith Rowland.
And so we're asking you to submit your review of Benson to Keith Rowland by sending it to him at the following email address.
Keith, K-E-I-T-H-R, KeithR at primenet.com.
KeithR at primenet.com or webmaster at artbell.com.
And if you want to go up and take a look at what two or three creative people have already accomplished for us, you're welcome to do that.
They're a riot.
Call it www.artbell.com.
So if Benson wants to know how the public views him, he's going to have to log on to the website.
My guess is he will be doing just that.
So we may not be able to post the cartoons which they published with my name, but we can publish our view of Benson, and we are going to do that, as you can readily see, by looking at the website tonight.
So by all means, send your entries to my very astute, anxious webmaster at webmaster at artbell.com or Keith R, K-E-I-T-H-R, all lowercase at primenet.com.
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I can't think of a time where also the world was in total chaos.
You know, people are weirded out, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something on this planet that's affecting people's brains.
I believe that we are in uncharted, tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times.
You know, wake up.
Something is happening globally to this planet, and it's not normal.
It's just not business as usual.
Now we take you back to the night of May 13th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I can tell you partly about it, a little bit about it.
The other night, I told the story of an acquaintance of mine, and a lot of people in the UFO science community know this man very well.
His name is Robert Bigelow, Bob Bigelow, and he's a multi-goodzillionaire.
He's got a lot of money.
And he funds grants into areas of interest with regard to the afterlife, with regard to anomalous objects that fly in our skies, that sort of thing.
And we had a long, very interesting conversation, a kind of a what's next conversation earlier today, and it's odd that I would hear from him because I had just spoken of him the other morning on the air.
I think something very productive may come of this.
And I wonder how he's going to react to my idea.
This is Mr. Behind the Scenes kind of guy, you know.
And it hit me as I was contemplating our conversation earlier today that maybe I ought to have him on the air.
Maybe that's what I ought to do.
Maybe that's what I'm going to do.
Doesn't hurt to ask anyway.
Now, the man has a lot of very, very interesting, intriguing, in fact, ideas and abilities.
And because of his resources, he can get the scientists that really matter to do the kind of research that he would like them to do with grant money.
I mean, you know, money talks and everything else marches away at some slower speed.
So maybe the thing to do is have Bob Bigelow on the air.
Maybe I'll do that next week.
By the way, coming up tomorrow night is Michio Kaku, Dr. Kaku, Professor Kaku.
And he'll be talking about this incredible explosion.
Absolutely an incredible explosion.
Coming up next Tuesday, we'll just call him a general.
He's a general, okay?
And he knows things that he wants to talk about, but we'll call him General A. And he's going to come here with a voice changer and at the behest of Dr. Roger Lear.
And he's got a lot he wants to say publicly for the first time.
That's going to be a shocker.
That'll be Tuesday.
Wednesday, Professor Paul Dixon next Wednesday, who is going to talk about supernova from experimentation.
This is really a wild one.
So there's an awful lot coming up, an awful lot I'm thinking of doing and thinking about.
As you know, come this Friday, at about 3 in the afternoon, I guess, I am going to be in Ketchkin, Alaska, where I will board the Stotten Dam on my way toward Vancouver, British Columbia.
And I guess I'll be in BC Columbia, British Columbia, I don't know, something like about 9 o'clock in the morning, I believe.
About 9 o'clock in the morning.
And then Sunday, we're going to do Dreamland.
I'll be there Sunday at 9 o'clock.
And then Sunday night, we'll do Dreamland from CFUN in Vancouver.
And my guest is going to be live with me, just off the cruise, Daniel Brinkley.
So all of that lies immediately ahead.
I'm Art Bell.
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I have been on the tail of my hair.
All pleased to be there.
My heart is on fire.
Oh, like the wheel that turns it.
My love is in life.
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 13th, 1998.
But music, there's a music spot of the brain, I'm convinced.
And this young lady really has jumped into mine.
Her name is Lorena McKennett.
And she's absolutely amazing.
Now, talk about the world of coincidence.
I'm going to be arriving in Vancouver, assuming everything runs correctly, and I'm sure it will.
Holland America Lines is really good about that sort of thing.
I'll be in Vancouver 9 o'clock Sunday morning.
We'll do Dreamland from CFUN, my affiliate there, in Vancouver, which would be a blast, with Daniel Brinkley Sunday night.
And then, synchronistically, if you believe things are this synchronistic, Lorena McKennett will go on stage about 30 minutes after I finish Dreamland.
So I'm going to go see Lorena McKennett.
Incredible.
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Now we take you back to the night of May 13th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
It would be more like exodimensional because it'd be more like something outside time, space, and all the dimensions that any physicist would be able to describe.
Also, in regard to this nuclear thing going on, I think it has a lot to do with President Clinton and Hillary Clinton and their newly exposed stance toward Israel.
Because I really have a strong belief that as long as any country is pro-Israel, that things are going to go good for them.
And if they're not, then the world will start to shake.
And strange things, really bad things will start to happen.
You mean we will then set our removing that $3 billion or however much it is a year from Israel would set the world on a collision course with the end.
Stopping the aid to Israel would be, I know a lot of people just would salivate at the very prospect of doing that.
But if you have been to Israel, you will understand why we give aid.
I mean, if you've ever been to Israel and understand what they have in common with us, as in the U.S., despite some friction we've had with them, and you look around what's around Israel, you would understand why we give aid to Israel.
And what he discovered was, despite the official police version that David Berkowitz was the lone guy, he found out that actually there was a number of people involved in the killings, and they belonged to a satanic cult.
And the murders were actually ritual murders, and that there's this kind of a network of cults.
Okay, well, I just sent you something in the mail today, and I really don't know exactly how to contact him, but that's always the same.
But I do know that in the book, he mentioned that he was in contact with Steve Dunlevy of the New York Post and several other news people, and I wrote that down in my list.
And I would like to urge any of you who want me to have a guest on to take pity on me and try and include some kind of contact information.
I book all my own guests.
Nobody does that for me.
I book my own.
Because there's really, I often wonder about other talk show hosts and how they do that.
You know, they have some producer who's booking guests for them, and how does the producer really know what the talk show host wants to do?
I've frequently wondered about that.
I don't do it that way, and maybe there is some sort of camaraderie that develops between the host and the producer, and the producer anticipates what the host wants.
But I've just never been comfortable with letting anybody else do that kind of thing for me.
So I usually talk to my guests beforehand and see if they're the kind of people that you would enjoy.
And that gives you about an 80% success rate and then about 20% of them get on the air and are total bombs.
But at least when you do it yourself, you know, it most of the time it works out.
Uh I wanted to tell you I had uh sent you a uh tape here a while ago and it um basically um it tells about a theory of Mars used to be not actually in our orbit but used to fly by on a oh on a about a 54 year flyby.
They know that perhaps half a billion years ago there was a giant flood on Mars.
Right?
They've got the floodplains, the rest of it.
Right?
So if Mars had been out orbiting the universe and away from the sun, it could not have had the atmosphere that they say it had.
It could not have the water that they say it had.
And so forth and so on.
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So what do you say to that?
I never really, never considered really that.
I just what they made sort of sense is, you know, we used to have 360-day calendar, and up till about somewhere around 700 BC, all the cultures all over the world changed to the 365-day and a quarter.
And they feel that that's, you know, not only studying, they use the Bible, the Torah, all the Incas and stuff like that.
Well, listen, I would love to continue this with you, but unfortunately I am at the top of the hour, so we'll talk again about this sometime, all right?
Okay, take care.
I just don't see how it could have happened, because as nobody can hear you scream in space, planetary-wise, if Mars had been out there zooming around, it certainly would not have had atmosphere in the water or anything else, because it would not have been near a nourishing star.
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You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
Now we take you back to the night of May 13th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Dr. Barry Taff is a world-renowned parapsychologist who worked out of UCLA's former parapsychology laboratory from 1969 through 1978 as a research associate.
He holds a doctorate in physiopsychology.
Is that right?
Psychophysiology.
That's probably right.
With a minor in biomedical engineering from UCLA.
During his 30-year career, Dr. Taft has investigated more than 3,500 cases of ghosts, hauntings, poltergeists, and has conducted extensive studies in telepathy, precognition, remote viewing.
He was also himself investigated as a psychic subject, the results of which were published in Behavioral Neuropsychiatry, A Laboratory Investigation of Telepathy, The Study of a Psychic, Volume 6, Numbers 1 through 12.
One of the cases Dr. Taff investigated in 1974, you may recall, gained international fame as the book and motion picture, The Entity, starring Barbara Hershey, released by Fox in 1983.
It was a really frightening motion picture.
Barbara Hershey was repeatedly attacked, sexually assaulted in the movie.
It was a real-life occurrence, so she portrayed that, but continuously assaulted by an entity.
Dr. Taff has appeared on numerous TV and radio programs, including Strange Universe, Unsolved Mysteries, The Joan Rivers Show, Kern Affair, Hard Copy, sightings, Judge for Yourself, The Extraordinary, and a recurring guest on NBC's The Other Side.
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He has consulted for government, business, and law enforcement including the CIA, ONI, NSA, DLI, DIA, DARPA, the FBI, Interpol, LAPD, California Highway of Patrol, Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department, and the Westminster Police Department.
Well, if you read in my book, I discuss quite in depth the differences between the movie and reality.
And in some ways, reality was a lot more interesting than the movie.
Really?
Because we captured a lot more evidence, we had a lot more personal experiences.
And I'll sort of try to chronicle that now.
And when you're investigating hauntings and poltergeist activity or apparitions, you spend a lot of time talking to people and just collecting data, meaning stories, anecdotal information.
It's very rare to be in the environment, this field environment, and to witness something, and it's even rare to be in the environment and to record something while you're visually observing it.
It's extremely rare.
It's like the probability of being in an airport with a camcorder and there happens to be a crash of an airliner while you're there.
It's like astronomical, it's an astronomical probability.
Right, that the phenomena, whatever the nature of it is, happens to be cooperative or present when you're present, which is extremely rare.
So it all began when my colleague at the time was in Hunter Books in Westwood, right really down from the UCLA campus, and he was talking with one of his friends about the work we do.
And some women on the other side of one of the bookshelves was overhearing his conversation, and she just casually said, my house is haunted.
And of course, you know, we get that all the time.
People just throw it at us as a big joke.
And rather than trying to engage this woman in a detailed conversation in that environment, my colleague thought it would be best if he just took her name and number and we'd get back to her at another time.
So we called Mrs. B. in the original article, but her first name is Doris, so I'll refer to her as Doris.
You know, we made an appointment to come out and see her rather than just interview her on the phone since she lived really close to where we did.
She lived in Culver City and we lived in West Los Angeles.
So we went out to see her.
It was August of 1974.
And we sat down and basically said, tell us a story.
What are your experiences?
What's happening here?
And the first thing she told us was that she'd been repeatedly sexually accosted by three entities.
And my colleague and I looked at each other, and our eyes essentially rolled back in our heads, and we both thought, oh my God, this woman's very disturbed.
You know, actually, I was going to go even further back than that, and I was going to ask you, so many people will say something like that, but what was it about this woman that made you even take the step to physically take the time and trouble to go and see her?
When she came up to my colleague, she was very distressed.
She was very on edge and nervous.
And the keynote in dealing with people that contact us in terms of investigations is that fear seems to be the primary reason, the fundamental reason they call.
So they want to know what's going on, how do they deal with it, what's the nature of it, and of course, how do you end it, which is something we don't deal with.
Right, and that's the, in what you're dealing with, you know, a simple poltergeist manifestation or an abduction, the keynote, the operative word seems to be fear.
The minute she said that, I thought, oh my God, normally when we reach a level in an investigation where it's obvious that people are suffering from some form of psychopathology, I just stamp the top of the form with a red T, meaning the person is emotionally disturbed, and we filed away.
But we listened to her story.
We thought we're there.
We might as well hear everything she's got to say.
And she said that there were three male entities.
Two would hold it down and one would attack her.
And she described seeing various objects move and strange apparitions of this, like an Asian or Oriental type of a being, and that her children, some of her children actually witnessed this.
Not the sexual, but her being thrown around or bounced around the house like a ragdoll.
We took it all down and we made some audio recordings and took a lot of notes, asked her a lot of questions about it, but we didn't really think it was worth pursuing because it seemed like she basically needed psychiatric evaluation.
Well, you see, these types of investigations, you're dealing with what we call corroborative testimony, that other people have seen the same thing at other times, or multiple witnesses.
Without that, and or your own observations and recording, you know, it's the big fish story.
Okay, Doctor, the first thing I've got to ask is, if I walked into a room where I suspected an entity and it was cold, I'd whip out a thermometer so fast.
I mean, it was like you'd walk in and you felt like there was a AC was on full.
All right.
Anyway, this progressed.
Now, my colleague was interviewing her in the kitchen, Doris, and well, during the interview, this is one of many, we walked around the house talking with her, a lower cabinet door swung open and a skillet flew out, taking a parabolic course across the kitchen, landing on the floor with a slide.
I was in another room at the time taking some control photographs.
And he saw this and he yelled.
Of course, I ran back and we checked the make sure there were no wires or springs or people hidden in the lower cabinets.
And of course there weren't.
And it was rather astonishing.
And it progressed on from that point to where we began witnessing little things moving around the house, small objects moving.
But it took on a bigger dimension where we began to see pops of light, little what we called corpuscular masses of light that looked like little tiny comets flitting about the house.
And since fireflies do not occur out here, we thought, what is this?
So we began to subtly attempt to control the environment, sealing off the house from external light sources.
By doing this, it naturally amplified these weak light sources, and they were very distinctive and point sources of light that were self-luminous flying about the house.
And it was so profuse that a couple people that came with us, assistants to help us got very sick and had to leave the house.
And this has happened, but we've had this prior to this and since then in many other cases.
But another thing, which is the most common physical characteristic that we've encountered in 30 years, is the sense of overpressure.
And the way I describe this is what you feel if you go in a deep pool at about 10, 12 feet where you feel tremendous pressure on your ears.
Of course.
But we get this basically at room temperature at sea level in these environments, and sometimes it's so severe that people go to grab their ears and hold their nose and blow to equalize the pressure in the station to the end.
And some of the arcs demonstrate dimensionality in the sense that behind them, the walls meet at a nine-degree angle, yet these arcs are in free space, indicating that they're not projected against the wall.
We shot as fast as we could go, both in film and shutter speed, and we still got the same things.
Now, we did submit these photographs, the negatives, for analysis by a number of people.
One was the West Coast editor of popular photography in the mid-70s, and he said he's never seen anything like these, and he couldn't even begin to explain their nature.
In fact, in some of the pictures, the arcs are at almost 90-degree angles to each other, and the woman, Doris, is not even in the room as if the phenomenon is present when she's not physically in that space.
He was the principal investigator in the entity case, the one they made the movie about.
Except he investigated the real case.
And so you're hearing the real story.
I'll tell you something.
The moment a kitchen cabinet opened and a frying pan took a parabolic arc across the room, I'd beaten a real straight line right through the door, man.
I would be out of there.
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See, we obtained some photographs, and the lights were very interesting, but we couldn't tell how big they were.
We couldn't tell the speed at which they were traveling because we had no reference.
So we covered her bedroom walls and ceiling with black poster board and used duct tape to stick them on the ceilings and walls.
And unfortunately, whatever the phenomena was, it again demonstrated its uncooperativeness or lack of cooperativeness, and it began tearing off the poster boards.
And we got a friend of call at midnight from Doris, ran back down there, and it tore off the poster boards, tore off the paint and the plaster with them.
Wow!
And now, obviously, she could have done it, but she was a very small, diminutive woman, and I don't think she would go to this extreme to prove anything to us.
But at the same time, the fuse box was torn out of the wall and thrown at her, and some kind of lobbyist was thrown at her.
But we still were suspicious.
But beyond that, the investigation continued.
Her son said there were some records that if he put on, there were some heavy rock albums that dealt with weird demonic garbage.
He said if these particular records were on, the phenomena would peak and always occur.
So just to see if anything would happen, we put the records on and we tolerated this insufferable music.
And sure enough, when the records reached their peak, their crescendo, the lights appeared.
Well, not full-bodied, a half-bodied apparition from the waist up.
You could see a large upper torso, arms, shoulders, neck, head of a very large-bodied man, but you could make out no salient characteristics in the face.
Well, your heart rate increases, but again, if this is what you're looking for, this is why you're there, it would be kind of foolish to vacate the premises if what you're looking for finally makes an appearance.
Again, the apparition, the luminous apparitions, were that same lime green color.
And it was in the corner of the bedroom.
And it was quite astounding.
I mean, I don't know precisely how long it lasted, maybe a few seconds, but we fired hundreds of frames of film, yet the film came back and there was nothing on it, which made us really wonder.
So we took everyone's account independently.
We all generally had a high degree of convergence on what we saw.
So what is it?
The phenomena kept going, kept occurring.
More things happened.
More poster boards were torn down.
We began to suspect this is more of a poltergeist manifestation because it seemed to be occurring around Doris more than anything else.
And as the case went on, I think we did bring in some film equipment because there wasn't portable video then, nothing we could bring in.
And that's when Frank DiFalita came in, who ended up writing the book.
And he saw a couple beads of light and some flashes and arcs, but nothing as spectacular as what we'd seen earlier.
And the last night we were at her house, this was on Halloween of 1974.
I mean, literally, like, just like, you know, might as well be in a normal environment.
Very disappointing, but these things tend to occur.
This phenomena tends to be evasive and transient.
The woman moved shortly after that, and we lost touch with her.
She surfaced again a few months later with Frank D. Felita's help and we found her in Carson, which is a little south of Culver City, maybe 15, 20 miles south.
Now what's more impressive than just the fact that it returned was the fact that people living on both sides of her who knew nothing about her horrible experiences and encounters began experiencing poltergeist phenomena shortly after she moved in, like it was a proximity effect.
Wow.
And this is extraordinary because, you know, these things are very rare to document, let alone experience.
And so we were there, we saw the lights again, some objects were thrown about the room, and she again moved.
After that, she moved from Carson to Culver City, no, Carson, excuse me, to San Bernardino, from San Bernardino to Texas.
And we haven't heard from her for many years, actually until the movie came out, which was in February of 1983.
And by that time, it pretty much waned.
It was all but gone.
So whatever it was, seemed to be linked to Doris, not to the house, because we'd been back to the house, and no one that had lived there reported anything unusual going on.
So whatever this was was related to Doris, not to the house, which again suggests more psychokinetic activity.
But again, manifestation of an apparition which was collectively observed, the balls of light which were photographed, the stench, the overpressure, what's going on.
I mean, obviously, based on what we think we know about this field of research, the evidence would more than likely suggest it was more of a poltergeist manifestation, but of a unique nature.
Or the phenomena is so multidimensional in its nature, we can't really put our finger on it.
We're sort of like the three blind men, you know, touching an elephant, trying to describe it.
I mean, in my wildest dreams, I never thought I'd run into another case as unique, as extraordinary, and as spectacular as the Ennity case.
But in 1989, I received a call from a woman in San Pedro by the name of Jackie Hernandez.
In fact, she was so worried that we might think she was emotionally disturbed.
She had a friend of hers named Susan Collins initially.
And she told us of seeing an apparition, disembodied heads in the attic and everything.
And I thought, yeah, right, okay.
But she described other events which were more typical of hauntings or poltergeist activities.
So we decided to go out there.
Again, August, which seems to be a big month for this activity out here.
And the night we arrived, we walked in the house, that same stench, the same overpressure.
And we started interviewing her.
She described seeing numerous old men, old male apparitions, a disembodied head floating at her in the attic, and objects being thrown around, fire spontaneously breaking out, strange lights, water coming out of the woodwork as if there were hoses attached to it.
You know, we listen, you know, we're taping on videotape now, but we heard this strange pounding in the attic, as if a very heavy man was bouncing around the attic.
We went up to the attic and there was, of course, nothing.
I went on this case with a number of other people who I worked with at the time.
One is still my associate named Barry Conrad, and who is a professional videographer.
Another was a man by the name of Jeff Wheatcraft, who apparently became the victim of this phenomenon, which is what makes this case distinctive and unique among all the other cases I've worked on.
He goes up in the attic, takes some pictures, and before he finishes the last roll, his camera is violently pulled out of his hands.
It's dislodged.
It's yanked out of his hands.
And he comes out of the attic and he's shaking, and he's white as a sheet.
And he's hyperventilating.
He told us what happened.
We went up to the attic.
We found the camera.
The body had been separated from the lens, and they were on different sides of the attic, and yet they were totally unscathed.
They were in pristine condition, no damage.
What did it?
We went back up there, and as we're looking around the attic to see what could have done this, we see Jeff being pushed across the attic as if some large invisible hand were shoving his back, and we see his back arch and he goes lunging across the attic.
So we obviously tore the cupboard, some planks out of the cupboard looking for anything stuffed behind there, as we always try to rationally, you know, reduce prosaic explanations so we can rule them out.
And there was no body back there, no animals back there, and we're left with, well, we don't know where it came from.
What's human blood plasma doing seeping out of somebody's Cupboard in San Pedro.
So the case went on on September, I think it was 4th or 9th, I don't have it in front of me.
We're back again.
We're again in the attic, and weird lights were seen, objects caught fire, and things like that.
We're in the attic, and we're about to come down.
And the last person to come down was Jeff, because he was again decurious because they heard sounds.
And we heard this moan, like a yell.
And the man who came down, who was starting to come down just before Jeff heard this, turned back and fired the camera at Jeff to see where he was going, because the attic was dark.
And Jeff was basically strung up by a plastic clothesline that had wrapped itself around his neck in a bolin knock and pulled itself over the rafter on a bolt or a nail and was hanging him.
Because the only way, see, Gary Boehm, who was the man who basically saved Jeff Woodcraft's life that night, the only way he could see was by firing the flash in the camera because he didn't have a flashlight on.
He already pushed it down to the crawl hole.
So he had to fire the camera, and in doing so, he captured the pictures.
He would have fallen on his face if he had tried to navigate that distance without a flash.
So we have these pictures.
Jeff, there were deep rope wounds in his neck, and to say he was traumatized would be an understatement.
All he remembers is walking, suddenly blacking out, and then feeling a choking, and then Gary came to his rescue.
I mean, somebody who goes through this, I've got to tell you, professional or not, not only would I be out of there, but I think I'd be traumatized for the rest of my life.
Basically, because he was unconscious, and he hit the wall with a resounding crack.
And this is, I mean, if this is psychokinesis, this is the granddaddy of all psychokinetic manifestations.
Now, they were using a Ouija board because they were playing around with it and began to say that the reason this thing was attacking Jeff was because he resembled the person's killer.
Now, all of this is detailed in my book in great depth.
And it is available in a video called An Unknown Encounter from Barcon Video Productions.
Now, this is an 81-minute documentary with a, we have our own special soundtrack.
It's sort of like a mini feature.
And almost everything that we experienced and we documented is in this video.
And even more of this story is contained in the chapter in my book, chapter 3 called The Hazardous Haunting.
Now this case is unique because it's very rare for this phenomenon to attack people.
It's even rarer for this phenomenon to attack those people investigating it.
So this is unprecedented.
And poor Jeff, his life has been turned inside down and, you know, upside down, inside out.
He's basically demonstrated symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
Well, for some reason, in this particular case, whatever the phenomena was we were dealing with, it seemed to take a particular interest in Jeff Wheatcraft.
It attacked him probably four to five, maybe six times during the course of this investigation.
And again, if you believe anything coming out of a Ouija board, whether it's just psychic on the part of the people manipulating the planchette or it's something discarnate, who knows, it said information came out that a man named Herman Hendrickson apparently had been drowned in 1930 in San Pedro Bay.
And the Ouija board said it was Herman Hendrickson.
And that his killer looked just like Jeff.
His murderer looked like Jeff, and that's why he was after him.
No, I, for one, see, I'd say that the vast majority of the cases I've investigated and that I know about, I'd say fall under the heading of poltergeist or psychokinetic manifestations.
But then we have those that are clear-cut hauntings.
And I could discuss those later on this evening.
But see, we thought this case was a poltergeist manifestation.
And we thought the reason the phenomena was attacking Jeff was that Jackie, Hernandez, was very attracted to my associate, Barry Conrad, who looks a little bit like Elsa Wesley.
And she felt that Jeff, his best friend and associate in his work, was an impediment to her going closer.
And she thought if he was out of the way, she'd have a clear path to getting closer to Barry.
Right, now that's great psychology, great psychoanalysis, but it doesn't explain it.
It's theory, but that's it.
But see, what makes this case even more of a, I guess say, a conundrum is the fact that in 1996, a crew from Strange Universe went back to Jackie's original house in San Pedro.
Exactly, which makes us think that we don't know what's going on, that we're babes in the woods, and it suggests that there may be something in certain environments that may infect susceptible people like a psychovirus and alters them energetically that they can leave and carry some of it with them.
In the last hour, he talked about the entity case, the real entity case that he was a principal investigator on.
You can see the photographs from it up there.
You can even see this poor man hanging from a rafter.
That's all up on my website now.
Just scroll down to the name Dr. Barry Taff and click on it.
It'll take you right to these photographs.
Take a look for yourself.
He'll be back in a moment, and we're going to go down a bit of a different road with Dr. Taff in a moment.
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I can't think of a time where also the world was in total chaos.
You know, people are weirded out, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something on this planet that's affecting people's brains.
I believe that we are in uncharted, tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times.
You know, wake up.
Something is happening globally to this planet, and it's not normal.
It's just not business as usual.
Now we take you back to the night of May 13th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well, it seems that when normal sensory cognition is suppressed or inhibited, a subtler form of communication takes over.
And regarding the paranormal in general, one of the best techniques for eliciting or provoking psy, mental psi, in people is called Gonsfeld, which is not as dramatic as sensory deprivation tanks.
But it's similar in the sense that it's lots like half ping-pong balls over the eyes and sitting in front of a red safety light and then white noise pumped through headphones into your ears.
And what this does, it produces a sense of disorientation and you can't tell if you're standing up or seated or whatever.
You lose your spatial and temporal orientation and your mental imagery stands out much more intensely in this condition than it does normally because your senses are rendered essentially useless.
So in other words, then you do eventually enter a true altered state if all senses are deprived because you begin entering an area of the mind that you don't spend time in any other time.
I'm going to take you down several different roads and you may not understand why I'm doing it, but I'll get there.
I want to read a fact that I just got.
Hi, Art.
There was an excellent report on remote viewing the other night on Los Angeles UPN 13 with Major Ed Dames, a man I've interviewed.
I'm sure you know who he is.
If I had recorded it, it would be up on the web.
It's one thing to hear him talking about it, but the report actually showed one of his top remote viewers actually work on a target.
The target was chosen by the news cameraman, and the photographer chose the reference numbers.
The target was a recent helicopter crash in L.A., and the remote viewer accurately identified not only the helicopter, but the cause of the crash as well, without any clues or idea what the target could have been.
It was, in short, amazing.
It really made a believer out of the reporter and a lot of other people, too.
Looks like the major company, SciTech, is doing well.
Thank you, David, in Central California now.
We have talked about entities, ghosts, poltergeists, whatever the hell they are.
I mean, essentially, what remote viewing is, it's a combination of telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, retrocognition.
It's an integration of all these different aspects of psi that we've given the scientific label to because science doesn't like terms like telepathy and precognition because it goes back too far in time.
It rings more of psychical research than of modern science.
But when remote viewing works, which is not all the time, but when it does work, it can be incredibly precise and detailed.
And one of the reasons why there's such an attempt to, I guess, disinform people on what went on with the government's programs for the last 25 years was that it worked very well, and they never quite figured out, nor has anyone else, how it works or why it works.
It's sort of like, you know, again, we can't set the forest for the trees.
And the people that spend all this money want to make sure that no one uses it against them.
So what they do is they basically deny it worked.
They re-evaluate the statistical models and programs they had, and said, oh, it was coincidence.
And your recent book, Aliens Above, Ghosts Below, Explorations of the Unknown, obviously begins to deal, if it talks about aliens, it has to deal in some way with UFOs.
We have objects that are traveling through our atmosphere, plenty of documentation, believe me, government satellites and more.
25,000 miles an hour zigzagging through the atmosphere.
Totally impossible, at least for us, without turning to pure jelly.
So I presume we are not the ones doing it.
A ton of evidence that UFOs are really something.
We don't know what.
They really are something.
A lot of people are beginning to believe that rather than interstellar travelers, we have on our hands dimensional travelers.
It's as good a theory as any other.
What do you conclude when you look at UFOs and alien, the whole alien phenomenon?
Well, if these intelligences can travel vast, whatever they are, if they can, let's say we're looking at interstellar travel, not intergalactic, just interstellar for the most part, if they can traverse the distances in real time, not over hundreds, thousands, or millions of years, they have to be able to travel through some sort of dimensional shift, whether it's rotating wormholes or quantum singularities.
Otherwise, they couldn't get here.
So there may have to be a lot of difference between dimensional jumping or shifting and interstellar travel at superliminal speeds.
But the bottom line is these technologies, this technology that buys whatever's visiting us, is so superior to us.
Well, first of all, I've been reading about it since I was a child, but what really, for me, was the sort of the cornerstone of my divergence was the fact that we've had numerous cases that began as poltergeist manifest, or poltergeist outbreaks, and that evolved into abductions, or a CE3 or an abduction, or that began as a CE3 or an abduction and evolved into a poltergeist outbreak, or what we call paranormal fallout.
And the question is, why?
I mean, you know, what's going on here?
Why does one, and, you know, this has been discussed by many other people, I mean, Jacques Felipe and Passport to Magonia and Invisible College, he wrote about this, and in his book subsequent to that, he's referenced it.
There seems to be something regarding our consciousness and the paranormal.
As if whatever these vehicles are, these technologies coming here, may use forces we call paranormal the way we use electromagnetism.
Well, we have so many reports of their appearing, disappearing, of morphing into different shapes, of doing things that...
He does, he's a good zillionaire, and he does, he puts grant money into science, looking in past years at two areas, and that was life after death, whether there really is such a thing, and UFOs or these objects that traverse our atmosphere that we know are here.
Now, in my discussion with him earlier today, he's trying to decide where to put this grant money, basically, and come up with a way to decide where it would be best used.
We both began to talk about our collective feeling that poltergeists, ghosts, remote viewers, UFOs, everything that we've just been talking about is, in the end, when and if we ever understand them, there is going to be a common thread through all of them.
And it may have to do with dimensional travel.
It's hard to say at this point.
But what do you think of that idea that everything we just talked about is really connected?
Well, I'm convinced beyond reasonable doubt that this phenomenon, this relationship between the paranormal psi and UFOs is definitely there.
I mean, it's demonstrable.
And it's very clear to anyone that's investigated this for a long enough period of time.
The question is, it may tell us something about our reality, about the universe we live in, that we may not want to hear and we may not be too comfortable with once we know it.
Because it suggests very strongly that the universe is ordered, it is not chaotic, that there are intelligences vastly superior to us that understand it far better than we ever will, at least for the foreseeable future.
And that we might be someone else's guinea pigs, and we may have been that for thousands of years, and there may be very high factions in, let's say, governments that might know this.
And the last thing they want to do is tell the people they govern, oh, guess what?
We're being manipulated by higher intelligence.
There's nothing we can do about it but continue to vote and continue to pay your taxes.
And they can, oh, by the way, they can also violate our airspace at their discretion, and there's not a darn thing we can do about it.
And somebody with the resources of Robert Bigelow is perhaps just what I've been looking for and just what all science in this area has been looking for.
It's just absolutely riveting.
In other words, there is something absolutely real here.
And here was the second part of our discussion.
I suggested to him, you recall the Brookings report study done for the government that said things would fall apart if such a revelation were made.
It's been 30 years since that Brookings report.
And one of the things I suggested to him is that we commission another 30 years of movies about aliens and people like yourself telling us what's occurred in the paranormal world.
30 years since then.
Let me ask you, if such a study was done today, what do you think the answer would be?
If the question was, how would the American public react?
That's a hard question to answer, Ark, because the problem, the reason it's hard, because it's a very subjective response, and that it's so subjective, because, see, unless these things affect your daily life and alter what you feel about yourself and the world around you, people don't care.
It's cocktail hour talk.
It's, you know, movie of the week stuff.
it's going up to the new the biggest feature step blockbuster feature film about it um but when it affects your life what you believe about where you come from where you're going what your family does if you should pay taxes if if you should believe and trust your government that's when it's an
My guess, and that's all it is because we'd have to do the study and maybe we were going to, but my guess would be that Brookings would be every bit as true today as it was 30 years ago.
And I made a very clear connection with the fact that a model for the dinosaur, for what it would have evolved into, called the dinosauroid, it was talked about in Omni in 1980, that image is exactly, almost exactly what people describe when they're abducted.
Now, is that coincidence?
Are we seeing a species that evolved from reptile into a humanoid reptile and is coming here and is playing God with us?
Or is maybe trying to, maybe, as I said in chapter 10, UFO's the bottom line, maybe these beings know something about our future we don't.
And maybe we're being hybridized, as people like Bud Hopkins and Dr. David Jacobs say, because maybe they know we won't be here very long.
And maybe there'll be a catastrophe.
Or maybe they're trying to populate a star in another system and recreate what they did here with a little minor alteration.
And we're basically, you know, if we're being used as guinea pigs in genetic source material, that's not something you divulge to your population.
I mean, look at Bud Hopkins' last book, Witnessed.
It's an exceptional book.
And, you know, assuming it's all as it appears to be, it's one of the most extraordinary cases on record.
And the bottom line is, the only thing our government really cares about, and one line they frequently give out about UFOs, is it does not represent a threat to national security.
Now, I don't know how the military defines threat to national security, but if it's not a threat when one of these things hovers above our nukes, then I'm not a talk show host.
Right.
Hold on, Doctor.
We'll be right back.
Are you now following me when I say that I'm beginning to conclude, folks, that all of this phenomena is connected and that when we know why, we might wish that we hadn't found out?
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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My guest is Dr. Barry Chath, and we're about to enter some pretty heavy territory, folks.
So bear with me.
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Now we take you back to the night of May 13, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And we believe, I believe, that if another study is done, it will find that if there's a kind of revelation about all of this sort of stuff that we're talking about, UFOs, the whole parapsychological phenomenon area, that there will be some giant truth regarding where we came from, who we are, where we're going, what our future might be, whether we're under control of others, all that kind of thing.
And if that is laid on the public, the reaction would range roughly from most people wouldn't go to work the next day to anarchy with murders, with all sorts of out-of-control behavior.
All this would do, it's just expanding the various venues of different disciplines of science, expand to incorporate new technology and new awareness, just as it has over, you know, hundreds of years.
But the main thing, it would shatter our understanding of people on a very personal level.
It's a very personal thing.
For most people, it's like no big deal.
But for the average person, like I said, if it doesn't affect their daily lives, they don't care.
But if it suddenly makes you question who you are, where you come from, and why are you working and beating your brains out, to what end?
Given the response that I've seen in teaching over the last 25 or 30 years, and the response I've seen from articles I've written and talk shows I've done, I'd say that if the government has any real substantial facts regarding, let's say, UFOs, and the can of worms is immense.
I mean, it's not just they're coming here and we know it, but let's say they have influenced our past.
This may be the first good thing the government's done in a long time.
They may be protecting us from our own worst enemy, which is ourselves.
No one's here to invade us.
No one's here to conquer us.
No one's here to subjugate us.
The whole concept of the idea that every time an inferior culture meets up with a superior one, the inferior one is destroyed or assimilated.
I don't think that's applicable in this sense, because if it was applicable, we'd have already seen some indication of it.
I just think that the government, looking at history, repeat itself, and they're going to make darn sure they don't basically shoot themselves in the foot.
Well, there are those academicians and scientists and philosophers and truth speakers who would obviously benefit and probably their lives would be a lot better off from knowing the truth.
But public in general, I think, would in no way directly or indirectly benefit from this information because it wouldn't make people's lives e better.
It would make it worse.
So to what end would you release this information and basically destroy the infrastructure, the socioeconomic infrastructure of our society?
Well, I mean, it's just, people think that all these movies we're seeing are part of some big, vast, you know, black program, covert program to endochronous.
You know, Hollywood makes movies like this because they make money.
And I thought in my, you know, the obvious response is, if the average person growing up in America can't differentiate a dot of light in the sky, which they know is Venus, and the moon, which they've seen all their life from a big glowing disc over their house, they need to be institutionalized.
Doctor, I've got a tape here with the radar operator at the National Weather Service calling these objects out as he sees them, sitting there going, oh my God, I don't believe this, over in Michigan.
Right, but the media, you know, there's the same ridicule factor.
It's like, I think the reason, and you have to give some credit to the media at the same time, they've been exposed to such a quandary of garbage and disinformationists and quacks and people out to just make a quick buck and liars and frauds and mentalists and whatever and lunatic fringes that you can't really blame them at some level for what they're doing.
But at the other level, the news, let's say the media, is embellished, it's exaggerated, it's distorted, and it's hyped to get ratings.
And if they know that the news that they're promoting or selling is, in essence, not real, not true, why should they believe anything anyone says?
Let's assume for a second that all of this phenomenon does have some commonality.
If that's true, even though we both agree that exposure of the ultimate news would probably be impossible right now, if you wanted to fund some science work that would begin to try to lay their hands on what's going on by looking at all of these things and looking for a commonality and trying to find something with science as we know it, how would you proceed?
As far as the UFOs, you don't know where they'll be.
So you have to sort of be very mobile in order to get there.
When you deal with hauntings or apparitions, they're sort of locked into space, so to speak.
So they're in a semi-controlled, a finite environment.
You can go there.
And it all comes down to instrumentation.
The only thing people are going to believe in is instrumented recordings, is optical or acoustic recordings or imaging systems that show us information that we can pretty well determine can't be explained prosaically.
This is a man who claimed that he was sort of abducted, and there were strange lights around him, strange sounds.
We dumped him on his bed once, and we saw a ring of fire burst around him and shoot up in the air, but there was no accelerant on the bed.
His kid kept disappearing and reappearing.
And anyway, at one point, my colleague and I were at his house, and he collapsed.
He passed out.
He started making these really weird sounds.
Most of them are just rubbish, gibberish.
But there were a couple sounds coming out of his mouth that we recorded with our own amplified mic and our tape, which defy explanation because when put through analysis, they produce what pure sine waves, which humans nor animals can make.
And it's a little spooky, and I'm not going to play the entire tape because it's far too lengthy, but I'll play an excerpt from it here, and you can hopefully hear it well enough to sort of get a grasp of what we dealt with.
I mean, you know, the case didn't involve anything we could really sink our teeth into, but after a certain point, due to the distress and the trauma the man was experiencing, this was in Anaheim in 1976, his hair turned like white literally within a matter of days, and he was in his mid-30s.
I mean, all we know is we saw the fires erupt around him, and we heard of things happening.
We recorded the sound, and we had it analyzed by some different people, and everyone said, you know, you've been duped.
This is a machine.
I said, well, no, we were there.
We ruled that out.
It was not a machine.
So, you know, I mean, it's, you know, I'll tell you, I've lost more friends and acquaintances from discussing these types of matters and playing tapes like this.
It's one woman I knew back in 93.
She was dying to go to a haunting we had.
We brought her out to one in Beverly Hills.
And even though nothing happened, she knew enough about what had transpired prior to her coming on the case that she broke out in a cold sweat and ran out of the house screaming.
And she goes, I can't deal with this.
I just can't imagine these things happening and, you know, being around.
During a program I did, I can't remember what it was, a few months ago, my audience knows all of a sudden there was this gigantic, it's like 200 pounds hit my door, studio door, and I just about came out of my skin.
And I opened the door quickly.
Nothing there, nothing.
I go into the other room, my wife's asleep, three cats asleep on the bed with her.
That's it.
Nobody else in the house.
Now, I didn't see the door at the time, but there is no way that door could not have almost come off its hinges.
I still have absolutely no explanation for that.
But I'm saying this to illustrate, I mean, I almost became incontinent.
I'm saying this to simply illustrate the difference between talking about it, hearing a tape, and having it happen to you.
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You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about things, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 13, 1998.
I mean, I could probably send you a copy, but to play it at this hour would literally wake the dead in this building.
And also because the phenomena was around the woman.
It wasn't connected to her.
It was in other people around her.
And so at some point, perhaps we can play it, but this would be difficult because it's so intense in terms of in order to get it clear, it has to be loud.
I heard the recording, heard the one you played, the Art Bell, and the one the doctor played.
And recalling previous recordings, the hell noise, it seems to me that they seem connected to me.
They almost sound similar, which would maybe suggest that there might be some truth in the demonic activity or even deception, like what the guys a couple nights ago were saying, that there seems to be deception in this area and there seems to be evil associated with it.
That occurred since he was last on, but I will briefly tell him the story.
I interviewed a Dr. Dav just out of curiosity, because, you know, I will interview just about anybody on any subject.
And there was a young lady who called herself Harlot.
Patsy was her real name.
But she called herself Harlotte.
And without apology, she was a devil worshiper.
Yeah.
I mean, hail Satan, the whole thing.
And I interviewed her for some number of hours.
It was an astounding interview in many ways.
Toward the end of the interview, just before we went off the air, she told me that her husband had killed her daughter.
I ran up to the daughter or son.
Anyway, her child.
Her husband had murdered her child.
And I kind of took a shot.
I said, well, with your views, you're going to be down with that guy you worship, and your son or daughter, I can't remember now, is going to be in the other place.
And she said, oh, no.
She said, I long before that occurred took steps to ensure that my child would go straight to hell with me.
And that blew me away.
Since that time, I've spoken, for example, with Father Malachi Martin, an exorcist.
I've spoken with a number of other people who say that's absolutely possible that a child could be taken to hell by a parent.
It seems not fair.
Maybe it's not a fair world.
I don't know.
Spiritually, that such a thing could occur.
That a God wouldn't allow that to happen.
But even the experts tell me that indeed it could happen.
Now, we were doing a show, a segment on reverse speech.
This is kind of complicated.
And David Oates, who does reverse speech, reversed Harlot, and we got a lot of really weird results, terrifying results.
Anyway, we were doing that show.
Now, you may or may not know, I have at this very moment three television cameras that are pointed at me.
And they sequence, and you can go up to my website, and you can see me doing the program, the radio show.
And so they snap about, oh, I guess one picture every 30 seconds, something like that, and send it to the website.
At the very moment that she was talking about taking her daughter to hell, a picture got snapped because it's got a time stamp on it of me.
And all around the top of my head was like a white, misty, most incredible thing you've ever seen in your whole life.
And I didn't, of course, know about it until later.
But then I had Keith post it on the website.
And there was some kind of presence around me at that exact moment.
And it's one of the most remarkable photographs you'll ever see.
You say in terms of the paranormal, you do being with apparitions and ghosts, there are different theories and categories for phenomena.
And one suggests discarnate intelligence, which implies that something survives corporeal death.
And where that consciousness resides could be another dimension.
I mean no one knows.
Another theory is that it's psychokinetic coming from a living human agent.
Where the source of that is, how it operates through space, no one knows.
Regarding UFOs, as I said before, if these things, if we're dealing with interstellar travel and they can traverse enormous distances in relatively short time, they by their very nature must shift sometimes, half-dimensional shifting or jumping in order to achieve their desired result.
So it may be different ways of explaining the same thing.
All right, tomorrow night I'm going to have a guest, a theoretical physicist named Michio Kaku, Dr. Kaku, who teaches at New York City University.
And he is completely convinced there are a minimum of ten dimensions.
I mean, the best minds in our nation right now are beginning to conclude that there are many dimensions.
So this is beginning to be conventional thinking in a lot of circles, not really fringy stuff.
And I guess that's why I'm moving toward beginning to conclude whether it's UFOs or a lot of the activity you're talking about, we are talking about dimensional either travelers or little portals that occasionally open that account for all these weird things or that are intentionally opened.
Who knows?
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Those portals can be opened intentionally and unintentionally.
Can I just try to document any of this with video or film?
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Well, it's happened in times when we weren't really prepared for it.
This is going to sound so crazy.
I come from a long line of people with heightened sensibilities, I guess you might call it.
And I have seen things and heard things and felt things that have just, you know, like that tape that you had with the voice and the fire and everything.
I think, as I said, one of the questions earlier was about people relying more on intuition.
If we don't objectify this and put a handle on it and scientifically deal with it, we're going to be basically roaming around in the dark.
And the problem is critical judgment is, to me, rather low ebb right now in society.
And because of that, we tend to, we don't really examine everything we're told or we see.
We just accept it on blind faith.
That has some good qualities at a human level, but at a science level, it's disastrous because we just, you know, we can be fooled by our own stupidity and ignorance.
And I think the only way we're going to resolve any of this is with science, because without science, we wouldn't be talking right now.
And also you need replicability, the ability to reproduce your results.
And see, what I have to stress is this.
If this phenomenon, whether it's the paranormals, psi, remote viewing, precognition, ghosts, apparitions, or UFOs, if these things never occurred, they were never reported, we wouldn't be discussing them.
The fact, and if they occurred all the time, they'd be accepted part of our reality.
And again, there's no reason to discuss it.
It's like talking about turning the tap water on.
The fact they occur some of the time, not all the time, tells us one important thing.
We're ignorant about a big part of the world we exist in.
Well, with regard to the Bermuda Triangle, unfortunately, that's not one of the better areas to really focus on because a lot of investigation has demonstrated that a high percentage of the cases that have been reported there aren't what they appear to be.
There have been a lot of exaggeration and distortion and embellishment.
But there are those, small number of cases that suggest there is some type of an anomaly there that affects instruments and affects human perception.
Exactly.
But it's not responsible for all the planes and all the boats.
There are also other locations of the Earth that have the same type of anomaly but not as pronounced.
See, anytime you have a place where a lot of planes and boats traffic in and out of, you're going to have an an extraordinarily high percentage of cases due to storms and other natural events.
Or, you know, object people crash in planes or storms come up and they their their boat's capsized and you know, it's lost at sea.
And, you know, there's nothing mysterious about that other than the fact that it's suddenly.
So it's um y you have to take a lot of what's said with a grain of salt because otherwise you just believe that every time a boat vanishes or a plane goes down, oh, there's some, you know, paranormal reason where it might be something, you know, pilot air or mechanical failure.
Oh, yes, up in wherestad Castle Air Force Base had a, I think, an aircraft, an old bomber from World War II that was very haunted, according to reports that I've heard.
Well, I know a commercial airline person who told me that one day he will come on and tell the story of the haunting of a commercial aircraft because of a crash, I believe, down in Florida.
And we're talking about all kinds of things, very wide-ranging, actually.
But you know what?
I am convinced it's all connected.
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I am convinced it's all connected.
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Now we take you back to the night of May 13th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Music Warner, you heard me describe a little while ago a photograph that was taken on the air.
For example, one of our most unusual cases was from almost 20 years ago out in Sunland, and a woman was seeing what she thought were apparitions, objects moving about the house on their own, you know, typical ports as we call them.
Things disappearing and reappearing, strange pounding, banging noises.
And I said, when did it begin?
She goes, well, I was walking in the canyon when I took a little stroll.
I saw a big glowing dish like a disc.
And from there on it proceeded where these humanoid apparitions were, you know, harassing her.
And, you know, what if we learned that we're one of many experiments by some other civilization that decided to pepper the universe with numerous diversified life forms?
Well, I mean, the most simplistic response is that the fourth dimension would be a temporal dimension in which space doesn't have any meaning, nor does time, where you're sort of inner around.
The idea is, like Einstein said, at the speed of light, you could circumnavigate the universe in 40 years.
Theoretically, if you reach the speed of light or surpass it, you can travel vast distances in virtually no time for yourself.
That would be another dimension, in essence.
If you exceed light speed and go superluminal, the universe is yours.
What that would do to life, you know, when you got back to Earth, how much time would go by?
God only knows.
But that implies that you're changing your dimensional status because the whole idea of mass increasing as you increase your speed and energy, there's obviously another realm there.
And I presume that you may have heard of this or maybe you haven't, but it's big news.
Scientists have now detected, as of a few days ago, a gamma-ray burst from 12 billion light-years out that they are now declaring to be probably equal in size to the Big Bang that created all that we know.
I mean, let's see, how can they put it?
So massive, they said, was the blast that for seconds it was as luminous as all the stars and all the galaxies in the universe 12 billion light years out.
And another big bang just occurred, or, well, of course, occurred a long time ago.
But that's pretty weird stuff.
In other words, out there at the edge of what we know to be our expanding universe, something happened like happened here.
Well, you know, I look at one of the chapters in my book deals with this.
It's basically, I touch about this, something called brain holograms, the light within, about the fact that our brain functions like neural holograms.
There is like the whole aspect of interconnectedness and equally distributed information, that space and time may operate like this regarding information, and that our brains are like little models of space-time sort of interfering with everything around it, and that's how we can perceive events in the future and the past and a great distance.
If this is modeled even close to being accurate, it suggests that we're sort of like the same way a tree produces an apple, we are sort of connected back to the tree by some dimensionally shifting mechanism.
But it's at a level we can't access yet with machines, but our minds can.
And when I talked to Professor Kaku yesterday about this explosion, he said, look, we toyed with the idea of two colliding black holes producing this immense energy.
But he said, you do the numbers, and even that does not account for the energy that we just saw.
It doesn't even begin to account for it.
And so, frankly, Art, we have no idea what happened out there.
Now, it does and doesn't relate to what my guest is talking about.
You're talking about an out-of-body experience, which begins with a paralyzed feeling.
It probably all winds into the same thing, but it wasn't specifically what the good doctors here are talking about.
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But go ahead.
Well, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by out-of-body experience, but this is definitely some sort of altered state of mind.
And it had happened a few times in the past about a year ago, and it just happened a few weeks ago, but this time I heard a sort of a voice quite like those that were played on the tapes earlier in the show.
Oh.
And a few seconds later, it was followed by another voice, a female voice, that said, there's a justice in your mind now.
And I was wondering if that sounded even vaguely familiar to you or the doctor and if that, you know, had...
I mean, OBEs, out-of-body experiences, even the beginnings of them, remote viewing, near-death experiences, all of these things, I am convinced, wind together in dealing with this other realm that's as real, I say it on Dreamland, as real as the air we breathe, but we don't see the air.
Right.
All right, wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Barry Taff.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
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Hi, Doctor.
I have to agree.
I believe everything is connected, too.
Doctor, going back to the case you were speaking of that the movie The Entity was based on, the lights flying around the room caught my attention.
Someone I know experienced something similar where a single small light appeared to enter their hand, leaving a small mark.
Eventually they went to bed and in the morning there was a second mark about a half an inch from the first.
I was wondering if any of the lights you saw did anything similar to that.
I was wondering if he knew whether or had heard whether the energy that we had seen that was 12 billion light years away might be the other side of the bubble when the Big Bang went off.
What I wanted to know is, is it possible that our minds being as little understood as they are and as powerful as they're thought to be, could we be generating a lot of these phenomenon ourselves because we have a need to?
Well, I mean, from my own perspective, I'd say, for example, 98% of my case file, in terms of hauntings and whatever, are psychokinetic, are poltergeist cases.
That doesn't diminish their significance.
It just tells us that the origin is suggestive of a living human agent.
But we still have that other small percentage, which strongly, strongly suggests we're dealing with discarnate intelligence of some sort, whether it's recorded in space-time that reconstructs itself or it's some kind of consciousness that's trying to display itself, who knows?
The other phenomena gets much more difficult to deal with, but the most common call we used to get at the lab was people who had precognitive dreams.
And instead of thinking they perceived the future, they think they caused it.
whether you knew about it ahead of time or whether you in some way actually precipitated the event well that's an interesting thought except that generally speaking there's no evidence that humans that we are essentially God and that we can produce an event simply with the thought of it.
It's one thing to imagine stuff and then end up creating it or fantasize stuffing and end up creating it because we evolved to that point.
But just to say we think of it, and it is, if that were the case, there'd be a lot more millionaires and billionaires on this planet.
I go with the thing of Occam's razor, which you go with the explanation that most easily and realistically and practically explain the phenomena based on what you know about it.
Okay, I was wondering when you're using the equipment to sense the presence of a ghost, do you use something that would measure like electromagnetic waves or something like that?