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May 7, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert O. Dean - UFOs and Government Knowledge

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	♪♪♪ From the high desert and the great American southwest, I
	bid you good evening or good morning, depending on your time zone, and there are many of
	those.
	For us commercially, stretching from the Hawaiian and Haitian island chains, out west, eastward, to the Caribbean, and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south, into South America, north, all the way to the pole, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	To answer a question raised last night, Envy, pride, wrath, sloth, greed, gluttony, and lust.
	The seven deadlies.
	And I'm kind of curious.
	If you think about those really hard, how many, how deadly are you?
	Envy?
	Oh, I've had envy.
	Pride?
	Yeah, I've had pride.
	Wrath?
	I've definitely had wrath.
	Sloth?
	I don't know.
	Greed?
	No, I don't think so.
	gluttony i don't think so
	Lust?
	Yep.
	So that's one, two, three, four out of seven, and you're out.
	How about any of the rest of you?
	Prepare to run down... I'm going to keep this list here just in case anybody out there wants to run down that list.
	Count their number.
	All right.
	Let me first inform you that coming up next Thursday night, Friday morning, is theoretical physicist Dr. Michio Kaku.
	And I talked to Dr. Kaku earlier today because of this amazing story going on.
	This amazing story.
	I'm not letting this one go.
	Once again, There has been, folks, a burst of energy, an explosion, so unaccountably large, out at the very edge of what we can see, in other words, at the known edge of our universe, literally.
	Twelve billion light years out, where the very first item from our Big Bang may be roughly sitting.
	We're expanding, depending on how you think about the Big Bang.
	But scientists have detected and confirmed an explosion out there, second only in power, and they're not even sure about this, but second only in power, they suggest, to the power of our original Big Bang.
	And as you might imagine, this absolutely intrigued me.
	So I called earlier today Dr. Kaku, who would be the exact person to talk to about this.
	And he had some thoughts all right.
	But he is mystified too.
	He said, you know Art, about the only thing that I can imagine that would generate this kind of power, or might generate this kind of power, would be the collision of two black holes.
	But he said, when you do the numbers, even that is very questionable.
	In other words, even the collision of two large black holes, which would generate, I guess, the amount of energy a theoretical physicist might be able to calculate, even he is not so sure that this could have done it.
	And so I outright asked him, I mean, what the hell, he's a scientist, but I said, look, As I have read this story from just about every source, I've got to imagine the word creation.
	Now, for the purpose of our discussion, we don't have to attach it to the word God, but we definitely can discuss creation.
	An event of a magnitude that really does suggest creation So, anyway, he'll have a week to think about it, and a week from tonight, Dr. Kaku will be here, and we will ask him what he knows.
	It's just really absolutely fascinating stuff.
	Now, let me see, the regulation... Oh, there is one other thing I have to get out first, I guess.
	Weird occurrence in Atlanta last night.
	Really, really weird.
	A 49-year-old Kingston, Georgia man with a shotgun taped to his body, aimed at his head, held Atlanta police at bay for nearly eight hours, driving in circles on the front lawn of the Jewish synagogue, the temple on Peachtree Street in Atlanta.
	The standoff ended just after 2 a.m.
	when police set off a flashbang in front of his truck to distract him and then subdued him with a taser gun.
	There were thankfully no injuries.
	The temple, the scene of the infamous 1958 bombing, but police don't think the temple had any special significance to Charles Morgan.
	Morgan had used tape to spell out several words on his truck, such as right wing, and coup, and help.
	Atlanta Police Mayor Major John Woodward said Morgan had with him several printouts that he had downloaded from the internet about a right wing conspiracy, which apparently concerned Morgan.
	As the evening wore on, he began calling two names.
	Stephanie DeLuca, the reporter on WGST, who had been covering the story, because it was going on for eight hours, and my name, Art Bell.
	There is no evidence he ever got through to Bell.
	Well, he didn't get through to Bell.
	So, I didn't hear about all of this until it was all over.
	Already all over and the police had the man in custody but apparently for hours he had been demanding to talk to me and uh... the odds of his being able to get through on this program uh... even during that eight hours are pretty slim and none but he had been trying to talk to me for whatever reason I guess he thought that uh... I would have the opportunity to provide the publicity For whatever it was he thought was going on, some sort of right-wing coup or something.
	I'm not fully clear on all of that.
	But that was going on in Atlanta as the program was on last night.
	Phew!
	Pretty freaky.
	I woke up this morning and there was a call from Atlanta, the program director there, and I called him right back.
	He had called the network and I called right back and he told me all about it.
	Holy... Well, actually, I can't tell you what I said.
	You're kidding!
	Or something a little more dramatic.
	That occurred in Atlanta last night.
	If anybody in Atlanta has any updates for me on that, I would appreciate any news whatsoever.
	Okay, let's see.
	What is the news?
	I'll read you the headlines.
	U.S.
	envoy heads to Mideast.
	So what?
	The talks are going nowhere fast.
	Senate panel rejects base closings.
	Good.
	We don't need trim down anymore.
	Senate passes IRS overhaul bill.
	Well, the president wanted a bill that would expand the taxpayers' rights, your rights.
	What they ought to do is pass some kind of bill that does something real about the IRS, just as Harry Brown said the other night.
	Libertarian news release.
	Celebrate Tax Freedom Day.
	It's May 10th.
	May 10th.
	In other words, since the beginning of the year, and until May 10th, two days from now, you have done nothing but work for the government.
	Think about that.
	Think about that.
	You've got two more days of working for the government and then you begin working for yourself.
	We have had two more events on the Sun.
	Actually three.
	Two class M flares and another class X flare.
	If you listen to my program on a long-distance station you know far away You are going to notice, as this process continues, that at times you're not going to hear anything but local stations.
	And that will be because of the solar storms, the magnetic storms, that we are having.
	And we are having some real whiz-bang storms, let me tell you.
	As a matter of fact, these storms are capable of producing power failures.
	And I must say, That here we've been getting little blips in the electricity.
	I wonder if any of you have noticed it.
	Here, where I live, we have these little, boom, suddenly just, boom, goes like that.
	I just got this fax.
	Tonight, May 7th, Art, we have been experiencing intermittent power failures.
	The power will cut out for about 5 to 10 seconds.
	Well, I don't have that.
	Just long enough to erase electronic memory.
	Yes, I sympathize.
	The odd part is that the weather is mild, hardly cloudy, calm, and without any weather event.
	Some kind of brownout or blackout or what?
	Could it be related to the mass ejections from the Sun?
	And by the way, we also had three new CMEs.
	Mass Ejective from the Sun.
	That's where You know, an actual piece of the sun blasts outward.
	There is some serious activity, serious activity going on in our sun.
	It really is something.
	Oh, incidentally, next hour, Robert O'Dean is going to be here.
	We've got a lot to talk about with Robert O'Dean.
	I think you'll find it fascinating.
	So, in a moment, we will go to open lines.
	And we'll talk about anything you wish to talk about.
	Well, all right.
	Just one little item here from Los Angeles.
	Ani Saduki, 33 years of age, and his brother were having a problem with bees.
	You know, and they can be a bother.
	But Ani and company, his brother, decided to remove a bee's nest from a shed on their property.
	With the aid of a pineapple.
	Now, a pineapple, for those of you who have not been around that long, is an illegal firecracker, which is the explosive equivalent of about a half stick of dynamite.
	Now, that's pretty powerful stuff.
	So, they ignited the fuse on the pineapple and retreated to watch from inside their home, wisely, behind a window some ten feet away from the hive or shed, if you will.
	However, the concussion of the pineapple shattered the window inward, seriously lacerating Ani, deciding that Ani needed stitches The brothers headed out to go to a nearby hospital, but unfortunately, while walking toward the car, Ani was stung three times by the few surviving shell-shocked bees.
	Unbeknownst to either brother, Ani was allergic to bee venom and died of suffocation en route to the hospital.
	And I'm sure there are those of you who would suggest that was karma.
	Use a virtual half stick of dynamite to blow up a beehive, and the few surviving shocked but very angry bees do you in.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	Hi there.
	My name's Dennis.
	I'm calling from Phoenix.
	Hi, Dennis.
	I'm really glad to get through to you.
	I've been trying all week, but you know how it is.
	I know how it is.
	The reason I called, mostly, well, about two things, actually.
	I'm going to try to keep this short.
	One is, have you seen the May and June issue of Final Frontier magazine?
	No.
	Okay, one of the cover stories is Ham It Up With Orbiting Astronauts.
	Oh, sure.
	Yes, I have frequently spoken to astronauts in orbit on the shuttle.
	Have you gotten your QSL card?
	No, I've never sent away.
	I mean, it was never a problem.
	Maybe it's because I'm out here sort of in the middle of nowhere, and even though they're hearing a great deal, my signal is somewhat distinctive, so I never seem to have a problem.
	When they come over, I speak to them.
	As a matter of fact, I've even talked to the mirror.
	Okay, yeah, I know that's also in here and the reason I brought it up one of the things I don't have a ham license yet but I've been checking into it and It's not as daunting as it might seem.
	Oh, you'll love it.
	Oh, I know.
	And by the way, I should tell you and everybody else, you are thinking of getting into ham radio at the ultimate time to get in.
	Right now is the ultimate time to get in, because with the Sun Cycle, number 23 here on the Ascension Well, one of the reasons I wanted to mention this article to get the other listeners, if they've been thinking about it and they're not quite sure, the name of the article itself is Contact Astronauts in Orbit with Amateur Radio.
	It's an article by Keith Stein.
	Of course, I'm not going to read it to you.
	There are tables of frequencies in here, frequency tables, uplink and downlink for the Mirror Space Station.
	Optimum times to monitor.
	I'll tell you something about Mirror, they get kind of bored up there.
	They get bored, and so they spend a lot of time on Ham Radio, and it's kind of fun to talk to them.
	They're also planning on putting a permanent antenna to use amateur radio on the ISS Space Station, the International Space Station.
	Makes sense.
	So anyway, names and addresses of more information.
	Get your amateur radio license.
	How to monitor, if nothing else, what you may need.
	And I just thought I'd mention that.
	That's the latest issue, the May-June issue of Final Frontier Magazine.
	Well, my advice to you is proceed.
	Go get your license.
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	I'm telling you, you're going to love it.
	Alright, I've got to run.
	We're at the bottom of the hour, but I tell you all, the Sun Cycle is well on its way, and all the hand bands are going to go absolutely nuts so that For example, uh, somebody with almost no power at all will be able to talk to somebody on the other side of the world just like they're sitting in the same room.
	And this will go on for several years as Sun Cycle, uh, number 23 continues in its ascension phase.
	So, for several years now, Amradio, uh, it's gonna be a blast.
	He says, with his new rig sitting over there just waiting, I've been looking forward to this.
	From the high desert, This is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell, and we'll be right back.
	IWAsking, what's going on? IWAsking, please don't stop.
	Can it wait forever, even though he wants me?
	And it's alright, and it's coming along, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
	Love is good, love can be strong, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
	From the Kingdom of Nye, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	From east of the Rockies, call Art at 1-800-825-5033.
	West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, at 1-800-618-8255.
	First time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222.
	First time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222 and you may fax Art at area code
	702-727-8493.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	How are you doing?
	Fine.
	This is Bob in Chico, California.
	Hello, Bob.
	Say, I wanted to talk to you briefly, if I could, about the sounds from hell.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	How are you doing?
	Fine.
	Bob in Chico, California.
	Hello, Bob.
	Say, I wanted to talk to you briefly, if I could, about the sounds from hell.
	Yes.
	I was reading an excellent magazine the other day, which you may be familiar with, called
	Forty and Times.
	I think I've heard of it, yes.
	And they tend to dwell on fringe subjects, cryptozoology and things of that type.
	Yes.
	Anyway, they had a brief reference to the sounds from hell in there, and they said that basically what it is, is it's actually an urban myth that dates back to an article in a Christian church newsletter that was published in the late 80s.
	Well, there's a problem with it, though, with that take, and that is that there was a legitimate article, I believe in a Scandinavian, I'm not sure which country, newspaper, that originally reported this, and even the Associated Press picked it up.
	So to suggest that it originated with some fundamentalist group in this country is incorrect.
	You wouldn't happen to know when that Associated Press story originally appeared, would you?
	You know what?
	I had a copy of it not long ago.
	I don't have it in front of me right now, but I read it at the time.
	Actually, I read it several times.
	So I'm sorry, I don't have that for you right now.
	That's not to say it's not a fraud.
	It's just to say that it's not a fraud as described there because it goes back further.
	I understand.
	Yeah, it's just one of those things that when you hear it you can see it spread across the headlines of the weekly world news.
	Absolutely.
	And it smacks so much of that kind of extreme sort of verging on the limits of believability kind of journalism.
	Absolutely.
	Anyway, if you get a chance you should pick up a copy of the magazine.
	It's really excellent and they have lots of articles on Say, chupacabra sightings and things of that nature.
	In the meantime, if you don't want to end up down there where all those people are, you have got to behave yourself.
	Now, I have several questions, which I am going to give you a little test.
	Okay.
	There's something called the seven deadly sins.
	Yes.
	And I want to run through them with you and see how you do.
	Are you ready?
	I'm ready.
	Have you ever had envy?
	Oh, yes.
	Have you ever had... Pride?
	Oh yeah.
	Bonk.
	Have you ever had wrath?
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, lots of wrath, huh?
	You know, I'm not sure about sloth.
	I'm not exactly sure what sloth is, but have you had any sloth?
	Um, yeah.
	Sloth, I think, is that sort of thing that sets in around 2.30 on a Friday afternoon when you've either just been busting your hump all day and you just decide to go get a cup of sloth.
	I see.
	All right.
	Bonk.
	Have you ever had greed?
	Now, greed is one that I'm not as quick to admit to, but I hate to say it, that there have been times when... You've been greedy?
	When, you know, when you're at the buffet and you see the last of the crab puffs starting to go and you snag a couple extras.
	I wonder if that counts.
	Well, okay, Bonk.
	Gluttony.
	Gluttony.
	Uh-oh.
	Gluttony?
	That could go along with that crab puff.
	Yeah, I know.
	I was just thinking that myself.
	And then finally, Lust.
	Oh.
	Hell yes, right?
	Yeah, I'm a grad student at Chico State, and let me tell you that just walking through campus at lunchtime... We'll give one lust.
	All right, well, so you're seven up and seven down.
	So, you know, if I were you, I'd be really praying that the sounds from hell are an old urban myth.
	Yeah, I try to keep my bases covered.
	Thanks for the call.
	Thanks, Art.
	You take care. Hmm. An honest guy, huh? Oh.
	Would have been east of the Rockies, but you're a Delto.
	Now, wild card line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Going once, going twice, gone.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yes, Art, this is Tim from Nashville, Tennessee.
	Hi, Tim.
	Yes, I'd like to discuss with you a serious piece of libel sitting on the internet.
	I wanted to know if you'd seen it yet.
	Libel?
	Yeah.
	On a website, I'm sure you've probably heard of the UFO Mind website.
	Oh, sure, sure, I've heard of it, yes.
	There's a list called the UFO Public Nuisance Hall of Fame, and they pretty much attack every person that's ever been on your show, including you.
	Oh, who cares?
	I know all about it.
	My response is, Who cares?
	I certainly don't.
	I know, I thought that too, but at the same time though... If you think that's libel, you ought to see some of the stuff they put on parody websites and stuff like that about me.
	Who cares?
	Okay, but I just want to know, one of the things they say is that Robert Ghostwolf is not truly an Indian, that he's an Italian and he goes by another name.
	Is there any possibility that that's true?
	Actually, Robert Ghostwolf admits that he is not full-blooded.
	He's a mix.
	Oh, okay.
	I read over him.
	That was the only one that really kind of concerned me.
	I really appreciate it.
	That's all I really wanted to know.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	Now, I don't worry about all the stuff that is written.
	You know, if you're worried about that, you'd spend all your time worrying about it.
	It is done generally by small minds who have much too much time on their hands and generally are not employed legitimately.
	On the international line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Let me just get the radio here, Art.
	Okay, where are you?
	Ah, good morning.
	I'm calling Steve Collins from Eacon Seacombe, Nova Scotia, listening in on 920 CJCH Halifax.
	Yes, sir.
	How are you doing today?
	Very well indeed.
	Great.
	How's your weather up there?
	Are you still in the greening?
	It's cool.
	It's been going down to the upper 40s at night.
	And it should be getting real hot by now.
	So, it's like, when is summer coming?
	We're already two months early into summer.
	Really?
	Down here, or up here in Nova Scotia.
	Usually we're not We're not looking at the leaves coming out until sometime in probably middle of June or so.
	Yeah, actually, you're really up.
	There's hardly anybody upper than you.
	Well, there's a whole other province above us, I guess, in the form of Newfoundland.
	I don't know if they pick you up there or not, but... I understand we are about to go on in Newfoundland.
	Oh, that's great.
	That's great.
	But even so, I believe that you are actually further east Then the Caribbean Islands.
	Is that true?
	I believe so.
	I think if you look on a longitude basis, that would probably be true.
	So when I open the show every night, I may be misrepresenting the Caribbean.
	Don't worry, we don't feel slighted.
	Anyway, what's up?
	Well, I was just going to compliment you on your excellent music selection.
	Lorena McKinnett, if you can get to see her in Vancouver, definitely go.
	I am dying to see her, and to learn that she goes on stage 30 minutes after I finish doing Dreamland at Seafront, that was too much for me.
	Synchronicity, huh?
	Synchronicity!
	Synchronicity!
	I mean, that's way beyond the pale.
	So, I think that I've got to go.
	Well, she's Canadian, you know.
	I know.
	Somewhere out in one of the western provinces, I believe.
	Listen, I sent you some contact information on Dr. Stephen LaBerge.
	Oh, several weeks ago now, probably three weeks ago.
	I believe, yes, I believe I have it in my stack.
	Great.
	OK?
	OK.
	The explosion, 12 billion years out into space.
	Yes.
	You were talking about that earlier.
	Well, you had Dr. Tom Van Flandern on last week, and he talked about some of the other cosmologies other than the Big Bang Theory.
	Well, this is going to throw everything they thought they knew Into the, we're not so sure about everything anymore, category.
	That's from Michio Kaku earlier today.
	Right on.
	Van Flammer was kind of prophetic in what he was saying just last week.
	Not prophetic, but kind of led into this.
	He was talking about the, I think it was a plasma cosmology, about the local Big Bang.
	Within a much larger universe, and doesn't that seem to be what we seem to be witnessing?
	I don't know what we're witnessing.
	I mean, anybody's guess is as good as another's, including the professor's right now, but I'll tell you what my private thoughts are.
	My private thoughts are that at the edge of our known universe, where there would be nothing else but, you know, this timeless Nothing.
	There is now the beginnings of another universe.
	Wouldn't that be something?
	That's my guess.
	I'm allowed to guess.
	Creation in progress.
	That's right.
	Somebody last night suggested that it may be that this one, it has been decided by the creator, has not worked out right.
	And so he's, in effect, reformatting.
	Well, let's hope we can do something about that.
	Thank you.
	One quick question for you.
	You have night vision goggles.
	Yes, that's correct.
	I fish over here, and we've been having a lot of fog lately.
	I've been giving some serious consideration to getting night vision of late, and I wanted to know... Yes, night vision in connection with illumination would do the trick.
	Uh-huh.
	What about fog?
	Have you had the experience of using it in fog?
	Um, I haven't because we don't get a lot of fog here in the desert.
	Actually, we...
	More or less never get it.
	So I can't tell you for sure, but I would imagine the infrared would cut through to some degree.
	I would think so.
	How about your range?
	How far out can you see?
	Oh, 40 miles.
	Oh my.
	I can see the trees on the sides of mountains in dead dark 40 miles away.
	Wow pal.
	I'm going to seriously look into it.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, thanks very much, Art.
	Alright, thank you, and take care.
	Oh, yes, I love it.
	Night Vision is fun.
	You know, I thought I was going to buy it because I needed it, you know, for security, that kind of thing.
	And as I've said many times, it went from that point to when I finally got it, oh man, this is fun.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Art?
	Yes.
	Can you hear me okay?
	Hear you fine.
	Well, hold on a minute, we got echo.
	Let's see if I can correct that.
	Okay, let me try again here.
	Yeah, that's a little bit better.
	Where are you?
	I am calling from Hearst, Texas.
	Listening to you at 570 Cliff.
	Yes, sir.
	And there was something on the radio a couple days ago.
	I'm not sure that you're aware of it, but they were talking about animals being off the endangered species list.
	Yes.
	And Pahrump came up.
	Yes, the Pahrump pond fish, I think they call it.
	That's right.
	The Pahrump Pond Fish.
	And I was shocked to read the story because it is a specialty item of my wife's and we've been eating Pahrump Pond Fish now at least once a week for a year.
	So I had a sudden crush of guilt last night.
	They're a little bony, but they're good.
	I have another question for you real quick.
	The knife that you had Father Malachi on?
	Yes.
	I'm not sure.
	I listened to the whole program, but I wasn't sure if you had discussed it with him about the lady that called in that had the boogeyman watching over her?
	Well, I don't know about the boogeyman, but I remember.
	Did he have any kind of concerns, or did the lady ever get in touch with him?
	Not that I am aware of, but of course he gave out contact information, so my presumption would be that she went ahead and contacted him.
	I am breaking a bit of a tradition.
	Because that show was so important, and so many people missed it for one reason or another, I'm going to see to it that it is played back this coming Sunday night, Monday morning.
	Oh, good.
	Alright?
	Good.
	That's great.
	There you are.
	Love your show.
	Listen to you all the time.
	I work at a bakery, and I'm Up all night making donuts, and I just love your show.
	Keep up the good work.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Take care.
	I frequently wonder what people are doing up at this time of night, and there's somebody who's baking donuts.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is George.
	I'm just on the other side of the mountain here in Las Vegas.
	Hi, George.
	Speaking of Fr.
	Malachi Martin.
	I had a question, because he had mentioned something about waiting to see something special happen.
	Yes.
	I think he had mentioned December.
	Well, he said in the spring, in the spring, and we are now in the spring, so my advice would be keep your eye on the sky.
	Well, I was wondering about the Big Bang, if that was the thing he was looking for.
	Oh, my.
	I thought maybe, you know, everybody would recognize it would be something that never happened.
	Oh, you could be right.
	You could be right.
	Yeah, I had thought about that last night.
	What are your thoughts on this?
	Well, I think this might be the new source of energy that's coming, possibly to raise the vibrational level of this planet.
	Well, either that or it's going to burn us all up like little toasties.
	Supposed to be, might be, but I think the energy that's coming off this Big Bang that's going to hit this planet, this universe.
	I think we're lucky that it occurred 12 billion light years out.
	Well, it was probably timed that way.
	Well, exactly right.
	That's my feeling too, timed that way, because it's right out on the edge of the last known object that exploded from this Big Bang.
	Oh, it is most curious.
	On our international line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art?
	Yes.
	It's Richard from Ontario, Canada.
	Hi, Richard.
	How are you doing?
	Fine.
	I love your show.
	Thank you.
	I heard about the show that you had last, something about statues in the Rocky Mountains.
	Yes, with Robert Ghostwolf, and we've got photographs on the website of those.
	Okay, that's what I'm trying to look into.
	I couldn't find it.
	Can you give me an idea where to go?
	Well, I would say go to the link, go down to the bottom of the website and you'll see links.
	Okay.
	Right?
	Okay.
	And listed as one of the links will be WolfLodge.com and that is the link to Robert Ghostwolf's site and the photographs are there.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	I heard of him and I just wanted to have a look at him.
	Alright, well there you are.
	You are on your way.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Yeah, Art?
	Yes, sir.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Yes, sir.
	I made that, finally.
	I've been trying to get through for months.
	Okay, well, here you are on a portable, um, on a cellular phone.
	A new digital cellular phone, right?
	That is correct.
	How do you know that?
	Just a good guess.
	What's up?
	Okay.
	Hey, listen.
	Now, when are you going to have Dr. Green on again?
	A Dr. Green?
	I'm not sure if he's a doctor or a professor.
	He's dealing with near-death experiences.
	Huh.
	I'm not sure who you're referring to.
	There is Wayne Green.
	Okay, there you go.
	I believe it was Wayne Green.
	Wayne Green.
	The reason I'm asking you is I had both experiences, negative and positive, like 30 years apart.
	Really?
	Yeah, and I wouldn't mind talking about it.
	Actually, I'm really curious.
	Now, your negative experience, was it the more recent one?
	Last July, yes.
	Oh, boy.
	I was on life support for 21 days, and that's what I remember out of the whole ordeal.
	Whereas your first experience was positive?
	Yes, that was about 31 years ago.
	Well, let me give you my little test.
	Okay.
	Have you had envy?
	Envy?
	Envy, envy.
	Have you ever been envious?
	No, not really.
	You've never been envious?
	You're some human being.
	How about pride?
	Have you ever had pride?
	Nothing spectacular.
	I mean, I don't feel that I'm on top of the world or anything.
	How about wrath?
	Have you ever been wrathful?
	Sometimes.
	That's one.
	Sloth.
	Have you ever been slothy?
	No.
	No.
	How about greed?
	Greed?
	Yes.
	Not more than an average person, I don't think.
	Gluttony?
	No.
	No?
	No gluttony?
	Lust?
	How about lust?
	Lust?
	Yes.
	Oh, my young age, yeah.
	I had plenty of lust.
	So, we've got a little bit of pride and a little bit of lust.
	No, a little bit of pride and a lot of lust.
	How old were you when you had your first positive experience?
	Eighteen.
	Eighteen.
	That would have been your lustful days then.
	Could be.
	So, if somebody like you, who's done nothing more than a lot of lust and a little pride, has had a negative experience, then what about that caller who just scored 7 out of 7?
	That guy's on an escalator ride down to the bottom.
	I'm afraid that'll have to do it for now.
	Ah, boy.
	I'm out.
	Robert O'Dean is coming up, if all goes well, and I think you're going to enjoy this.
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	Coming up in a moment, Robert O'Dean.
	And oh my, what a story he has to tell.
	So, uh, park yourself.
	Isn't that funny?
	The music stops and I feel obliged to stop right with it.
	I'm telling you, music is tied into our brains kind of like the God spot.
	Anyway, coming up in a moment, Robert O'Dean.
	This is interesting.
	Just before we go to Robert O'Dean here, it says, Art, we were discussing the Seven Deadly Sins, Envy, Pride, Wrath, Sloth, Greed, Gluttony and Lust, and I was interviewing people and asking them how, you know, sort of taking a poll.
	I only got two people.
	One guy was seven out of seven.
	The other guy was sort of like a one-and-a-half.
	But somebody just sent me a fax that says, you're not accountable for sins until you're 20 years old, according to the Bible.
	Now, I didn't know that.
	You're not accountable for sins until you're 20 years old.
	Now, why is it I find out about this now, at 53?
	If I'd known that then, well, Robert O'Dean has been engaged in the field of ufology for the last 40 years.
	That's a long time.
	He began this research on active duty in the U.S.
	Army where he served for 27 years.
	Retired as a command sergeant major from the Army in 1976 as a highly decorated combat veteran, after having served as an infantry unit commander in combat in Korea and Vietnam, He also served in intelligence field operations in Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam.
	Dark stuff.
	Additionally, from 1963 to 7, he served at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, or SHAPE, the military arm of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, as an intelligence analyst with a cosmic top-secret clearance.
	While on that assignment, he was a sergeant major And worked in the Operations Division, was a member of the Inter-Command Staff, working with and seeing the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe almost every day.
	For 14 years, he worked with and for FEMA.
	He retired as an Emergency Service Manager from the FEMA County Sheriff's Department.
	He is the former Arizona State Assistant Director and the former Pima County Section Director for the Mutual UFO Network, continues as a move-on member at large, is a member of the Center for UFO Studies, as well as a member of the Ancient Astronaut Society.
	He was formerly a member of the board of directors of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization,
	or APRO, for 12 years.
	Now a shape which he was involved in was one of those choice assignments, he would say.
	You've got to have a spotless record, pass security background checks.
	And he got in, and so he got to see some things that none of the rest of us ever got to see, and we'll talk about those things and what he's doing now.
	And, in fact, let's bring him on right now.
	Here is Robert O'Dean.
	Robert, welcome to the show.
	Good evening, Mark.
	Good evening.
	Well, I got a fax from you, of course.
	Last week it was, and people had been, I guess, calling your house, wondering if you were dead as a doornail, huh?
	The rumor had surfaced, apparently, that I had transitioned.
	Transitioned?
	And I thought it was kind of amusing there initially, but after a while the calls got a little bit troublesome.
	But I'd like to quote Mark Twain on that, that the rumor of my demise has been slightly exaggerated.
	Well, that rumor got started because of the Waverider fax that's on our website.
	And it was not a statement saying you had died, but rather one referring to your passing from a time traveler's perspective.
	What do you have this down as?
	1999?
	You know what?
	I forget.
	He didn't really say the year.
	This should cheer you up a little bit.
	He didn't say the year he was in.
	When he was listening to my program, which was a repeat of a program you and I had done together, or even more ominously, may be doing now, in tribute to you, Robert, You know, sort of a repeat in Tribute 2.
	Well, that's very thoughtful of you, Art.
	Thank you.
	I'm glad that you consider putting out a tribute.
	Oh, look, if it happens, Robert, I will definitely run a program and there will be a tribute to you, not to worry.
	Listen, my friend, I have no doubt.
	I hope you will be on the air at least 10 years.
	Well, it may be you doing a tribute to me someday, so just bear that in mind.
	As I jokingly told you the last time, I plan to go home one day, but I hadn't been planning to get up a load to go tonight.
	I hear you.
	I'm still here, Art.
	I'm old, I'm tired, I'm going broke, and I'm as ornery as ever.
	I'm going to continue to rock a few boats and raise a little hell until I do go home.
	There are all kinds of really, really interesting things going on, Robert.
	Some of them are not in your area of expertise, but I'm tempted to ask you about them anyway before we get into what you have done.
	By all means.
	One is, I'm sure you've heard me talk of it, But scientists have just detected, at 12 billion light years out, the largest explosion ever seen or recorded in all of our known scientific history, and they say the largest since the Big Bang itself.
	I spoke with Professor Michio Kaku yesterday, or earlier today actually, and he said, well you know Art, It might be the collision.
	The only thing we can imagine is the collision of two black holes.
	But, even that is, we believe, insufficient to explain this amount of energy release.
	Now, 12 billion light years out is a really interesting point, because that's sort of the edge of the known universe in look-back time.
	So, it could be that we have just witnessed another creation.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I read that in the New York Times.
	A good friend of mine downloaded that for me, and I was intrigued by that, and it just brought to mind, Art, how little we really know about what's going on out there.
	Oh, isn't that so?
	Even Professor Kaku said, look, this throws everything we thought we knew back into the unknown category.
	Exactly.
	You know, I don't have disrespect for our scientists.
	But I do wish that some of them would be a bit more modest and have a little sense of humility about what they're doing.
	Yeah.
	Because what they don't seem to grasp, as Alan Hynek made clear a couple of times before he died, is don't forget that there will be a 21st, 22nd, and 23rd century science, and that they will look back upon what we're doing today the same way we look back upon scientists in the 17th century.
	Yeah, horse and buggy days.
	So, you've got to have a certain sense of humility about your research, and as Socrates said, I think, you know, the first step toward wisdom is realizing how little you really know.
	Well, that's right, because, and the other proof of that is, if you, I monitor the news religiously, Robert, I just, I have to, it's part of the job, and every other day, you get a story that begins, scientists previously thought And then of course it goes on from there, whatever the subject is, to say, but new information now shows.
	So they're wrong a lot.
	They're wrong a lot.
	Remember recently when they made a disclosure that they had discovered a couple of galaxies out there that apparently were older than the universe itself?
	That's right.
	And I thought that was amusing because that really put them on a hot spot there for a while.
	They waffled around a bit and came up with some answers, but if they would just realize that What they're doing is just on the leading edge, and they don't know that damn much.
	And this is the thing that angers me about this UFO matter.
	Most scientists are scared to death to even look at this kind of thing.
	And that really takes me off.
	I have something I want to read you, and I couldn't agree more with you.
	I want to read this and just get your reaction.
	It's entitled, A Radar Trap Speeding UFOs.
	It comes from Jim in Philadelphia who pulled it from the International Express Tuesday, May 5th.
	Britain's X-Files may be opened up amid claims of stunning evidence that UFOs fly over Britain.
	Tapes to be shown to British and American experts are said to show objects that change shape in mid-air and a battleship-sized aircraft traveling at 33 times the speed of sound.
	The details are due to be revealed in early June at a space symposium at the RAF's Cranwell Staff College.
	A senior RAF source claims the mystery craft have been picked up by the latest phased array radar at the Cold War Listening Post in North Yorkshire.
	The most spectacular discovery, now listen folks, is a craft spotted over the North Sea Described as, quote, the size of a battleship, end quote.
	It zigzagged at up to 24,000 miles per hour for 15 minutes, as if it wanted to be spotted.
	Another shows a group of 12 oval objects seemingly changing shape, but the RAF may withhold some tapes.
	Listen to this, folks.
	Because it is feared they could reveal how sophisticated their new radars are.
	How about that, Bob?
	How about that?
	Ah, that's unbelievable.
	Now, so you're right.
	I mean, look.
	I'm sure you're aware that our naval people have some pretty advanced technology.
	And they have had for some years.
	And they've been tracking stuff under the surface of the North Sea, the Norwegian Sea, and the Atlantic, where objects as big as aircraft carriers are moving at high rates of speed. Did you say underwater?
	Underwater. You know as you probably know and I'm sure you've seen the
	film, what is it, Red October? Oh yes. Excellent book and excellent film.
	Indeed. We have the North Atlantic pretty well plotted out with
	all kinds of sonar and you can hardly move under the surface in the North Atlantic
	without our people being aware of it.
	We even got so good with it that we could even tell the class of the submarine that the Soviets had out there.
	We knew the sound of the motors.
	We even knew who the captains were.
	But they've been monitoring stuff under the surface of objects that are bigger than aircraft carriers, traveling at several hundred miles an hour.
	Now, that's underwater.
	Several hundred miles per hour underwater?
	Exactly.
	Uh-huh.
	And this, again, is one of the biggest secrets.
	Okay, I've got to ask.
	How do you know that?
	Well, I've talked to some of the kids who have been monitoring the phones.
	Oh.
	I've been very fortunate.
	I travel extensively.
	And because of my background, I have access to military installations, naval installations and such.
	My son is a career naval officer, so I've met a number of these young men through him.
	And we've had a few beers together, and they're very candid about it.
	And they say, Jesus, we've got stuff out there we haven't the slightest idea what's going on.
	And we knew it wasn't Soviet, that the technology was so far beyond them.
	Nobody can do that.
	But my God, these kids say, what do we do with this?
	And they turn this information over to the commanders, and of course that's the last they ever hear of it.
	Of course.
	But this object that you've just been quoting about, what the RAF is talking about, reminds me of what was over Phoenix here a year ago.
	That thing was estimated to be a couple of miles across.
	Yes, I know.
	And again, I don't mean in any way to worry you.
	But, you know, that same wave rider fax that was up there that caused you so much grief?
	It made a prediction about a triangular craft observed, headed from the British area toward America, across the North Atlantic.
	It predicted that.
	Well, I think it's happening all the time, Art.
	These big black triangles have been spotted now for quite a number of years.
	I'm sure you're familiar with the famous flat that went on some years back in the Hudson Valley.
	Heineken and Philip Imbrogliel wrote a beautiful book called Night Siege about these gigantic black triangles that were hovering all over the Hudson Valley.
	This one gigantic object covered over the Indian Point nuclear reactor for over an hour.
	Thousands of people had stopped on the freeways and were looking at this thing.
	And then we had a similar flap in Belgium, where the big black triangles were being spotted.
	And now they're being spotted all over northern England.
	And that's what I saw myself.
	I saw a big black triangle.
	I've made a prediction, and I don't like to be a prophet or a preacher here, but I've made a prediction that we're going to be seeing more and more and more of this.
	Because frankly, Art, I think that the process is underway.
	That we're going to be gently and carefully indoctrinated as to what's really happening out there.
	What exactly do you believe?
	I don't believe our government is involved with it.
	You don't?
	No.
	I was listening one day.
	I think you had Stephen Greer on.
	Right.
	And you had a few other people.
	And I must say I agree with Stephen in a sense that he's just about given up hope that Congress is ever going to do anything worthwhile.
	So have I. To bring this thing out.
	I think you know I have too.
	It's pretty much the same.
	And as you know, I refuse to give up on the constitutional system.
	I think it can be made to work.
	I think if some of these so-and-sos in Congress would get off their duff, I don't think the answer is in Congress.
	I don't think the answer is in the Oval Office.
	this would work.
	But in this particular issue, Art, I've begun to reach the same conclusion that Greer and
	Bob Brown and you and a few other people.
	I don't think the answer is in Congress.
	I don't think the answer is in the Oval Office.
	Frankly, I don't think the answer is in government at all.
	I'm really with you.
	I wish, in my heart, because I'm a constitutionalist.
	I believe in it.
	I wish that we could proceed with the way you're supposed to be able to proceed under the Constitution and get where you want to go, but we're not going to do it, Bob.
	You see, that's been the whole point of this group we put together called Coalition for Honesty in Government.
	Right.
	And the petitions we've got now are numbering well over 10,000, and we're really just beginning to collect them.
	And I keep believing, eventually, that somebody in Congress will stand up Have the guts and courage to speak out, do what he was elected to do, and help bring this out.
	But then I look back and see what happened to Stephen Schiff.
	Schiff is gone now.
	He's dead.
	Now, I don't think that we necessarily want to suggest that he's dead because he did that investigation.
	No, I don't suggest that.
	But it is interesting, isn't it?
	It's an interesting coincidence.
	However, what you can look at, as a good example, is Frances Emma Barwood.
	you know uh... in phoenix and or she had the temerity to simply ask what was
	hovering above her city would they check into it and i don't know how the roof fell
	in the governor was doing press conferences with the play aliens and
	it couldn't have been The political roof fell in on her head.
	I've met Frances.
	She's a delightful lady.
	Yes.
	And she's still in a state of shock.
	I'm sure.
	And the hell did I do?
	I'm sure.
	So if somebody in Congress were to publicly stand up and actually call for open congressional hearings on this subject, well... Well, I would hope that someone, Art, would have the courage to do that.
	I've stated this many times in many of the people who are involved in Stargate.
	Know this to be true, that we've got a couple of hundred people out there, still alive, still ornery, still kicking, ex-military, some of them even still on active duty, who are willing to come forward and testify to everything they know.
	And all they ask is for an open, open-door congressional hearing.
	Okay.
	Steve Greer, Dr. Greer, says he's got the goods.
	Yeah.
	Well, I've got a list of my own.
	You've got a list, too?
	I call them the Old Boys Network.
	And they're made up of mostly retirees, but there are a few active on it.
	And we've all agreed to the same thing.
	But we want Congress to do it.
	No more damn closed doors.
	We want it open to the American people.
	Put it on C-SPAN.
	And damn it, let's get the truth out there.
	But I'm beginning to wonder whether the system is going to work, Art.
	I don't think so.
	I think that Greer's idea is a good one.
	And what I told him is if he's really got the evidence, and if you really have the evidence, Then NBC, CBS, ABC, one of those networks, because of one of the seven deadly sins here, we'll call it greed, will definitely put together a program for ratings which equal money.
	It'll rear its ugly head and we'll get this thing out there.
	And that's all it would take is one of the major, even CNN, one of the major networks to do a full maybe one or two hour or even several part Honest to God, real documentary, interviewing the kind of people and presenting the kind of evidence that you claim that you've got and Steve Greer says he's got.
	Listen, there's a whole bunch of us with evidence, Art.
	Then you make it easy for some congressman, because now it's popular to stand up and say, well, let's look into this.
	Listen, a good friend of mine in California, out there in Hollywood, a young producer and director who is a brilliant young man, Hold that thought.
	We're at the bottom of the hour and that'll keep everybody held over a little bit.
	I like doing that.
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	It is an absolutely impossible coincidence.
	Somehow or another I'm going to have to get to see that.
	What a remarkable voice.
	Boy.
	Well, all right.
	Back now to Robert O'Dean, my guest.
	Robert, let's pretend for a moment that I am a, I don't know, I'm an NBC executive, and I come to you and I say, okay, Robert, I've heard on the Art Bell Program that you, that Dr. Greer and others have evidence that would be considered unambiguous.
	Unambiguous evidence.
	Without giving me names, because we're not to that point yet, what could you do to prove to me that I should spend millions of dollars on a real whoop-de-doo production that would put enough pressure on Washington to open this thing up like a can of tuna?
	Well, if you're a private producer, I would first of all get your attention by the point of reminding you that this subject, I think, is probably one of the The most sensitive subjects in the world today, and I think that the American public are so damn starved for the truth on this issue, that they would fall over themselves trying to support and tune in and listen and be involved in an honest-to-goodness, straightforward, objective representation of the evidence.
	Okay, you've sold me.
	You've sold me on the idea.
	I think that any CBS guy who's interested in the bottom line Yeah.
	...could recognize, if he just looks at the market, to see what's been going on with Stargate, Star Trek, all the rest of that, that the subject is a matter of great interest to the typical American.
	Okay, let me stop you.
	You've sold me.
	But listen, I've got a good friend in Hollywood, a young producer by the name of Larry Germain, who has got the National Geographic interested in this, and that they are seriously giving some thought to putting together an hour special And we're working right at the moment to get Ed Mitchell, Gordon Cooper, and a few other of the guys involved in this thing.
	And if we can give National Geographic just a few more big names, I think Larry's going to be able to sell the show.
	Well that's nice, but again, I'm sitting in front of you and I'm saying, list your evidence.
	Tell me who you've got and what they'd say, and whatever physical evidence or photographic evidence you have, what have you got?
	If you were to invite me to, say, come to Washington like Greer did here, what, last year, I'd have to rent a truck to bring the evidence with me, Art.
	Literally.
	But I would invite you to my home, to my office, and I would keep you there for at least five or six hours, and I would astound you with the stuff that I've got.
	I mean, I have photographs.
	I have samples.
	I have testimony.
	I have government classified documents.
	You give me a little bit of time and you come in and sit down.
	I serve the drinks.
	All I ask is your time and an open mind.
	Art, I could convince you of what's available there.
	I would say hold the drinks until you've convinced me.
	Give me some really specific examples.
	Let's take it a category at a time.
	You say you've got classified documents.
	Some have been downgraded, some have not.
	Alright, of those that have not, or even those that have that we don't know about, without specifically telling me what they are, specifically what are they?
	Air Force documents from one department to the Air Force to the other.
	Yes.
	Where one general is talking to another general about the biggest problem in the world, the biggest problem to their minds, and that's the UFO issue.
	Oh?
	I could show you letters typed on Air Force stationery that go back at least 30 years, where the Air Force itself, 30-40 years ago, made the determination that these objects were extraterrestrial spacecraft.
	Oh, you have that on Air Force stationery?
	Are you sure of the origin of the articles?
	In other words, the credibility of them?
	Well, they're copies of the original document itself, Ark.
	I think that they're legitimate.
	I would stand by them.
	I've seen documents in the files that were just like them.
	So I believe any open-minded person who's willing to just take a little bit of time and sit down and look at the evidence.
	Let's try it first person.
	You said you've seen documents.
	What have you personally seen?
	Oh my God, Art.
	I've seen autopsies.
	I've seen autopsy photographs.
	I've seen testimony from pilots.
	Are you talking about the famous autopsy?
	Alien autopsy?
	No, I'm talking about autopsies I saw in the NATO study of an autopsy conducted by the British Army in 1964, where a UFO, a big one, about 30 meters disk, crashed in northern Germany.
	Yes, sir.
	And there were 12 little dudes on board.
	And the British people got in there, the British Medical examiners looked them over, conducted autopsies, and were absolutely astounded at what they found.
	I've seen the photographs, and I've read the reports.
	Describe the photographs to us, would you please?
	Oh, well, the photographs, from what you could tell, and they were black and white.
	I didn't see any color pictures, but the black and white showed little guys very similar to what the little greys look like.
	Large eyes?
	Well, large eyes, yeah, and small frail bodies.
	The heads were larger than they should have been, according to the rest of the size of the bodies.
	The arms were a bit longer than they should have been, and there were only four fingers on the hands.
	Four fingers.
	But what was so interesting to the British medical examiners, Art, is that these little dudes were all absolutely identical.
	I mean, they were absolutely identical.
	There were a dozen of them?
	I'm sorry?
	How many of them?
	A dozen?
	There was twelve.
	A flat twelve.
	And these were recovered from a craft?
	They were recovered from a Christ craft near a town called, oh my goodness, it's been so many years, Timminsdorfer.
	Timminsdorfer Strand is a town in northern Germany right on the Baltic Sea.
	Right.
	And this craft went in, in early 64.
	Into the ocean?
	No, it landed on land.
	Okay.
	It didn't destruct.
	And the British Engineer Battalion was able to get on the scene and were able to take this thing apart and get inside.
	And when they got inside, they found 12 small bodies.
	And the photographs of the autopsies were pretty earth-shaking to me.
	How is it that you came to be able to see them?
	Well, it was in the report.
	It was in the SHAPE study called an assessment.
	That was the top-secret report that I had privy to in 1964, when it was published.
	That's the thing I'm violating my security oath talking about.
	Yes, I understand.
	Are you concerned about what you're saying in violation of that oath?
	Well, I used to be, Art, but I'm not that concerned anymore.
	I feel like Philip Corso does.
	I said, I'm so damned old, I'm angry, I'm fractious, I say to hell with it.
	I'm going to lay it out, what I've seen, what I've learned, what I've concluded, and I think it's important that the people be told because I don't like the top secrecy.
	I don't like the lying.
	I don't like the cover up.
	Robert, how old are you?
	I'm 69.
	69.
	I'll be 70 on my next birthday.
	You sure don't sound it.
	Well, thank you, Art.
	I still feel pretty fractious.
	When did you make the decision that you just don't give a damn anymore and you're going to talk?
	It was after I had to sue the sheriff of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
	I worked real hard for him for 14 years.
	And when my boss retired, I applied for the job, Art, and I ended up number one on the list.
	And we went through the hiring procedures, we followed the regulations, we did all of that good stuff.
	And he denied me that promotion.
	And when I finally was able to pin him down and hold his feet to the fire, he had to admit, under oath, that the only reason that he could not offer me that position was that I was interested in UFOs.
	Really?
	And my attorney practically jumped out of the chair.
	I'm sure he did.
	What the hell does that have to do with anything?
	And the sheriff, a man that I respected and admired and worked for loyally, said, well, I can't have anybody on my staff, you know, who believes in UFOs.
	And, well, we went to court.
	We went through 24 months of litigation, Art.
	It cost me $31,000 of money that I didn't have.
	And one week before the jury trial, they settled with me out of court.
	Now, after I went through that, I said, to hell with it.
	I'm going to start speaking out on this subject.
	Because there were other guys out there like me who had been similarly treated.
	What kind of oath did you sign?
	When I left shape?
	Oh, I signed an oath binding me for life.
	Never should I vulge anything that I had seen.
	Well, I had been in SHAPE and that was almost 5 years.
	Under penalty of?
	Under penalty of $10,000 fine, 10 years in prison, and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.
	Now it depends on the degree of clearance as to how long they hold you to that.
	If you have only a secret, they'll only hold you for something like 5 years.
	If you have a top secret, then you're subject within 10 years.
	But if you have cosmic, as we did over there at SHAPE, That was for life.
	And I signed it and I intended to follow it, Art, but after this mess with the Sheriff's Department I said, screw this, I'm going to come out and talk about what I've seen, about what I know, and what I believe the American people have a right To have access to.
	All right.
	You, obviously, are not the only one who was able to see this information.
	There are others.
	Oh, yeah.
	There were many there.
	All of us who worked in shock in 1964.
	And there must be others who worked with you, as you just said, really.
	I'm sure there are.
	As a matter of fact, I've been communicated to by several who write me and say, hey, good show, good work, keep it up.
	But don't use my name?
	But don't use my name.
	One of them is a retired RAF Wing Commander.
	And he's on a pension as well.
	I don't know whether you know this, Art, but the British Official Secrets Act... I know.
	...is even worse than ours.
	No, I do know.
	I mean, they can put people away for life.
	Actually, you know, they can even stop broadcasts before they are made.
	Oh, sure.
	If they know what the content is going to be, they can do that.
	Oh, they have?
	That's right.
	We have a pretty bad situation here, but the Official Secrets Act is even worse.
	In America generally, you are allowed to say anything you want to say, but then of course you are subject to being arrested and carted off after you say it.
	In Britain, if they think you're going to say it, they can stop it before you say it.
	Well, it's like Phil Corso refusing to send his book off and have the Defense Department approve it.
	He got away with that book because he didn't follow the regulations.
	Well, obvious questions, a couple of them would be, if this crash occurred, the one you're talking about, where is the craft?
	Where are what you refer to as the little guys?
	Where are the bodies?
	What did they conclude on the basis of the autopsies?
	I take it you got to read a, not only see the film, or see photographs, but read a conclusion What did they conclude?
	Well, the medical examiners didn't have a lot of conclusions at the time.
	You understand this was a military study, and it was a specifically designed study, Art, for three years.
	When they designed it in 1961 and began this thing, it was called an assessment, and it had a subtitle of an evaluation of a possible military threat to Allied forces in Europe.
	And they published it, finished it in 1964.
	And they concluded, basically, that one, the planet and the human race has apparently been under some kind of survey or study of some kind by what appeared to be extraterrestrial civilizations.
	Two, it appeared to have been going on for a very, very long time.
	And one of the other conclusions was there were several different groups involved.
	And when I left SHAPE in 1967, we knew of at least four of them, four different groups.
	Boy, that backs up what a lot of people say.
	So in 1967, we were certain, basically certain, of about four.
	When I retired in 1976 in the Army, we knew generally of about a dozen of them.
	God knows, Art, there could be over a hundred of them now.
	I mean, who knows?
	I've concluded over the years of my research that we're probably dealing with Literally hundreds, if not thousands, of cultures and civilizations.
	Well, then here is a critical question, one I want to know, and that is, of the ones that you knew about then, was there any conclusion with reference to their motive or their relative friendliness or antagonism toward us?
	In the SHAPE study, they concluded that these guys were apparently not malevolent or hostile.
	Because the evidence that had been demonstrated to us repeatedly in the skies over Europe and on the ground, is that if these guys had been hostile or malevolent, that the game would have been up a hell of a long time ago.
	So they are, or were, observers.
	So they were apparently studying us for some purpose.
	And the Shape Study even reached that conclusion, that some kind of a process or a program was underway.
	Now they didn't know what it was in 1964.
	But they could see that the evidence led to that conclusion, that something was under
	development because they could see the thing process, they could see it develop over the
	course of the three years they studied it.
	And part of the shape study was an incredibly accurate historical overview going back literally
	hundreds of years.
	And the evidence art, when you really start looking at it, it's there.
	Well then and in the years in between, and even now, Robert, we keep getting reports
	of these UFOs hovering near or above areas where we believe, of course we never know
	for sure, but we believe there are nuclear assets.
	The most recent one was the state of Washington about a week ago.
	Now, it would make sense to me that they would be Extremely and naturally interested in our nuclear capability and intentions.
	Art, they've been demonstrating deep interest in our nuclear capability at least back until 1981 when Reagan was in office.
	We had an event that happened in Minot, North Dakota at a nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile Minuteman silo.
	I'm well aware of it.
	That really shook things up.
	They actually shut down a number of missiles.
	What they did is they lifted the lid off of one of the silos and they scrambled the guidance system and they melted the warhead.
	And if you think that was not exciting, they did the same thing to the Russians outside of Vladivostok.
	No, let's stick with one at a time because you just gave me new information.
	I've heard that some missiles were shut down.
	I never heard That guidance systems were messed with and warheads melted down.
	When they got inside, they found that the guidance system, which was a pre-computerized system, pre-targeting, had been scrambled in such a way that if the damn missile had ever left the silo, God knows where it would have gone.
	And then when they further took the nose cone off, they found that the uranium-plutonium trigger warhead Was literally melted.
	It would never have exploded.
	Are you sure about this?
	Yes, I'm sure.
	I have talked to people who were there.
	Guys who are willing to come out and testify.
	You have people who were willing to testify to that?
	That's right.
	And that's only one case.
	That's one case that I was definitely aware of, and there have been several others.
	And what happened outside of Vladivostok, and there was another one outside of St.
	Petersburg, Where they activated the Soviet missile system, and the Soviets were just jumping through, you know, they were having fits.
	That one I know about.
	Because all of the lights went on, and it looked like the missile was about ready to fire.
	They put it, in fact, it began to go into launch sequence.
	Yes, I know about that one, but the one... And the Soviets just had fits, because they hadn't touched a button.
	They tore the entire control panel apart, finding absolutely nothing.
	Robert, stand by, it is the top of the hour.
	But, uh, when we come back, I've got to retrace this one in North Dakota just a little bit.
	That is absolutely astounding.
	Can you imagine?
	Can you imagine?
	The, uh, the core warhead melted.
	Believe me, we'll ask more about that.
	Now, what kind of message do you suppose they were trying to send?
	If it happened here, and on the other side as well, one would have to conclude there was a message.
	Anybody out there get it?
	I'm Art Bell, my guest is Robert O'Dean, and this is Coast to Coast AF.
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	My guest is Robert O. Dean, a man who for many, many years was in the military, had a Cosmic Top Secret clearance.
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	All right.
	Once again, Robert O'Dean.
	Robert?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Let's do this again.
	The incident where a warhead was actually melted.
	Where was this and when?
	Art, it happened in November of 1981 at Minot, North Dakota, a few miles outside of the city, where there was an entire complex of Minuteman Intercontinental ballistic missile silos.
	And they put them all around a central control point.
	Now each one of these Minuteman silos at that time had a 10 megaton warhead.
	And it was all pre-programmed and pre-guided by computer.
	And all they had to do was launch the damn thing and it would go to the target that had been selected.
	Sure.
	With a 10 megaton warhead.
	Now that, if you know anything about Nuclear or thermonuclear power is an absolute unbelievable warhead.
	Yes, I know.
	Take out Moscow, literally.
	Oh, and a lot around it.
	When you're talking about megatonnage, to recall that we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the low kiloton range.
	Yeah, around 12 kilotons.
	Anyhow, these silos exist.
	They're still up there today.
	So, what exactly occurred?
	What happened is that the alarms went off about 1 or 1.30, 2 o'clock in the morning.
	Yes.
	And the emergency security team was alerted and they went out to the site.
	Right.
	Because they thought there had been a break-in.
	These things are completely sealed with 12 foot, 10 or 12 foot barbed wire fences and such.
	And the indication was that someone had broken into the system.
	When they got there, Art, it was a bit of a shock because when they arrived, the damn thing was still hovering over the silo.
	And the controller, the lieutenant colonel who was in charge of the security team, lost control of a few of his young kids and they started shooting at the damn thing.
	They could hear M-16s ricocheting off of this thing.
	And it sat there for a few minutes, just I think long enough to get their attention.
	And then it drifted off and then departed at a high rate of speed.
	When they got over to the silo itself, they found the 20-ton door, which is on railroad tracks and is run by hydraulics and steam and whatever.
	The thing had been lifted off like a box of cookies and sat about 30 feet off to the side.
	This thing had been lifted off the tracks.
	The silo was open.
	So they immediately called emergency and they got technicians from the repair site out there on the scene.
	They got into the missile and they found that not only had this computer guidance system been scrambled completely, but the damned warhead itself had been melted.
	Now this is a missile with a 10 megaton warhead that uses a A nuclear warhead to trigger the thermonuclear.
	That's correct, yes.
	So there was a uranium plutonium system in there and the damn thing had been melted solidly.
	And this really shook guys up at that famous square or strange shaped building on the Potomac.
	I mean, lights burned for weeks after that.
	Alright, this incident.
	And this was during Reagan's first term.
	Well, you may recall uh... five times i believe during uh... ronald reagan's tour uh... as president he indicated that we may well have to have a defense system to protect birth against uh... somebody from space somebody that is a little bit of a self-portrait absolutely so there was something about ronald reagan uh... that i always trusted and i still to this day trust he was
	Absolutely, and whether you agreed or disagreed with his philosophy, which was rock solid, he was honest.
	And he had a way of saying exactly what was on his mind, be damned the consequences.
	My Democrat friends will be horrified to hear me say this, but Ron Reagan was one of the best presidents we've ever had.
	He certainly was.
	Whether you liked his politics or not, let's be honest, he was.
	And he was bright enough to see the realities, and I think that's what the whole Star Wars matter was all about.
	I believe that as well.
	Now, if I were to say, the story you have just told, I mean, is pretty incredible.
	A melted thermonuclear warhead, the 30-ton cover lifted like a cookie, you said, and I were to say, how can you prove this?
	What kind of proof would you want?
	I mean, if I wasn't there and you weren't there, would you believe guys who were there?
	Well, that'd be a real good start.
	You might not even believe that, Art.
	Do you have testimony?
	I have some first-hand testimony from at least three of the guys who were on the scene.
	One of those was one of the officers who was willing to testify in Congress.
	I assure you, that would satisfy me.
	You have three separate people who were there.
	Who were there.
	And all swear to the same thing.
	Two of them were enlisted men.
	One was an NCO and the other was an officer.
	And the officer is willing to testify in Congress at an open hearing.
	Wow.
	Listen, this story is not that unusual, Art.
	These things have happened.
	If you don't mind, I would hope you would allow me to make a brief promo of my own.
	Of course.
	There's a tape that's been put together by a brilliant young producer in Seattle by the name of Joseph Bergeron.
	The tape is called The Greatest Story Never Told.
	The Greatest Story Never Told.
	Yeah, and it has won three awards.
	It has Outstanding Film, Documentary, all kinds of different awards.
	And it's available from Seattle at the number if you don't mind me giving it.
	Of course I don't.
	888-338-8581.
	Alright.
	And I'm proud of it Art.
	I'm in it.
	It's one of the few that I'm really pleased with.
	The greatest story never told.
	All right.
	What is, if you had to give a sort of a summary of what's in the tape, what's in the tape?
	You're in it?
	I'm in it.
	Well, actually, I'm most of it.
	I give an hour and a half presentation there, including slides.
	I give the political background.
	I give the historical overview.
	I show slides to verify the information.
	And I've been pleased with the response.
	People seem to appreciate it and it won three awards.
	Yeah, that's what I've heard.
	That it did win three awards, as a matter of fact, yes.
	So I'm proud of it and people can buy that and I would be pleased because it tells essentially what I try to get out to the people.
	The greatest story ever told.
	When will the greatest story never told become the story that is told?
	You know, that's a good question, and I'm glad you brought it up, because I wanted to talk to you about it.
	Many of us, like Steven Greer, myself, and a few others, have been waiting desperately, and raising hell, and arguing, and complaining, trying to get Congress to get off its duff and do something.
	You know, I've almost reached a conclusion, Art, that the disclosure is underway.
	Incredible things are happening all over the world, and just to give you one example, you had some time back a retired journalist by the name of Philip Krupp.
	That's correct.
	And Phil's written a book called, well I think it's The Contact Has Begun.
	Yes, he worked as an editor at the Los Angeles Times.
	Yeah, he was front desk for 25 years.
	That's right.
	Well, he's a man with some credibility, and I've never met him, but I have a great admiration for him.
	But what Phil has done in his book, You know, Bob, let me stop you.
	You could be correct.
	it at the moment.
	I mean, his is one little tiny piece of a much larger program.
	I'm convinced that the disclosure is underway.
	I'll tell you something, Art Bell, I think you're a part of it whether you know it or
	not.
	Your program...
	You know, Bob, let me stop you.
	You could be correct.
	I have thought a lot about this lately.
	I really have thought a lot about it lately, and you cannot imagine, Bob, how many times
	I have marveled at the stellar rise of my program.
	Seemingly impossible stellar rise of my program.
	This is going to sound like a cheap science fiction.
	No, it's not.
	I understand it.
	I mean, against all obstacles, Bob, A program of the nature that I have suddenly took off.
	And when I say against all obstacles, I mean against all obstacles.
	Impossibly took off.
	Now, it may be because it's entertaining.
	It may be because it gets ratings.
	It may be because somebody decided that it was a good outlet.
	Offer the kind of information that I have and dispense to the country.
	And I don't deny it.
	I have no way of knowing.
	I mean, I asked myself a million times.
	I think most very successful people have done that.
	They don't understand exactly why they're where they are.
	They attribute a lot of it to luck.
	They frequently don't think that they deserve what they're getting.
	I'm there.
	I mean, a million times I've said I really don't deserve this.
	I have no idea.
	There's a million struggling radio hosts out there, so why me?
	Modesty aside, what you're doing is that you're giving the American people the truth.
	Now, they recognize that truth, and they know that you're being honest with them, as honest as you can be with the information that you're provided.
	And they know that, and I understand that your audience is now over 20 million.
	Yeah, it's big.
	Now that is great, and I'm very hopeful about that, and that's why I believe that you, whether you know it or not, are a part of this disclosure.
	Well, yes, maybe.
	I think Philip Corso is part of it, and there are a hell of a lot of other people who are a part of it all over the planet.
	But you've got to consider two possibilities.
	That I am being used.
	You know, the old useful idiot thing.
	In other words, I am pursuing a path that is diverting attention from something else.
	You've got to imagine that, I have, as a possibility.
	And the other, that I am a tool of ongoing disclosure.
	That there is going to be disclosure.
	I'm part of that.
	I absolutely recognize it is possible.
	But I can only tell you this, and nobody will ever believe me, If it is so, it is certainly without my knowledge.
	I know.
	I know.
	You're not a participant in the process, but you are being used, I think.
	Let me tell you something.
	Hoagland is correct in what he's been talking about.
	Now, a lot of people think Richard Hoagland is a crackpot.
	I know.
	I know the man, and I have a great respect for him.
	And what he's been talking about, about the moon and Mars, is right on.
	Let me tell you.
	The Defense Department, the military, they all know that Richard Hoagland is right.
	His little releases in his book on the anomalies of Mars and the Moon is right on, Art.
	You allow him to come on and he speaks and people listen.
	I think you are a part of it whether you know it or not and I commend you for your effort and I wish you much success and I hope the hell this program stays on for another ten years because we're not getting the truth out of our government.
	The stuff is happening, Art, all over the planet.
	And why is the United States' typical media so silent about this?
	Well, let me ask you about speculation.
	I mean, you just talked about the Minuteman site in North Dakota, what occurred there.
	I know also about what occurred in the Soviet Union.
	I saw unambiguous coverage of that.
	Well, you know, the Soviets, or the Russians, now have been completely honest about some of this stuff.
	Oh, I know it.
	And so my question is, to ask you to speculate, what message do you think Uh, they were trying to send, uh, by doing what they did.
	Well, to me, if I were a student being taught by a teacher, I would say the message was damn clear.
	Knock it off.
	Don't screw around with nuclear things.
	Call the wildcard lines.
	Area 702-727-1295.
	area seven oh two seven two seven one two nine five but this campaign
	uh... it ain't gonna go do nothing and go nowhere over time when i i
	I had to bleep a little of that out.
	I think that you said, let's have no more of this, and then you used a four letter word.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Let's substitute, let's have no more of this fertilizer and everybody will know what you said.
	My old military background comes out and I apologize.
	That's quite right.
	Okay.
	So you think it was a warning?
	Yeah, I think it was a bit of a warning.
	A little notification, so to speak, that we're here.
	We've been around for quite a while.
	We're watching every damn thing you do.
	We have film and video of them circling around one of our missiles being launched out of Vandenberg.
	They blew up the Atlas missile right there on film, right in front of us.
	And these things are in the Soviet Union, plus what's happened in the United States.
	In Minot, North Dakota, was only one incident out of about three or four.
	I think it's a pretty clear lesson that someone is saying, look, knock off this nuclear stuff.
	We're not going to let you do this because you can destroy the planet.
	Now I'm hopeful that that's what's happening.
	The evidence leads me to suspect that that's what's taking place.
	That would indicate that they have That they are watching us, that they are observing Star Trek's prime directive, which is non-interference, except at the margins.
	And they're trying to send a message to the two major governments who possess nuclear devices.
	Well, I think the message was received, Art.
	Well, now you can make a case for that, too.
	Yes, sir.
	Look, in fact, the Soviet Union is no more.
	It's true.
	Though their weapons remain, many of them, we have indeed started down the road of eliminating these weapons.
	And you've got to wonder, you really have got to wonder, if that message might have had something to do with that.
	Hard in my studies over the years, and I'm not tooting my own horn, but I've spent a good number of years at this, trying to figure out what's really happening here.
	And I've gone beyond the UFO matter.
	I've gone far beyond the extraterrestrial intelligence reality.
	And I've tried to really come to terms with what really seems to be taking place here.
	And I think that the human race, the human species on this planet, is being prepared for something incredible.
	I think we're being invited out there, and I think that the next millennium is going to be unbelievable.
	Because Art, I believe in it.
	I believe the human species will make it.
	I think that there's something within us that will survive.
	And I think we're going to make it.
	And I think we've got some friends out there that are trying to help us.
	I just got a message, a fax, from a sonar operator who said that you're hearing the real stuff, Art.
	When Bob Dean talked about objects doing several hundred miles per hour below the ocean, I can tell you he was correct.
	We tracked many, many of them.
	Glad to hear that.
	How about that?
	So, um... You know, we've told a few senators and we've told members of the House That if they give us an open hearing, we've stated flatly that we can fill the hearing room.
	And we can bring guys in, like the young man who sent you the fax, we can bring guys in who are still wearing stars, and we'll fill that hearing room and it'll open the door.
	Bob, I wish you were right.
	I think it could happen.
	I think it could only happen after A tremendous private effort of the kind that Steve Greer is talking about.
	Yeah, and I commend Stephen for that, but he spent a great deal of his own money on that.
	See, these politicians don't have natural body parts.
	They have to be given these body parts, and they grow them when the public puts on pressure.
	You know, they get bigger.
	Be careful what you say there, young man.
	The body parts you're referring to are below the belt.
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	Well, we are going to actually take calls for Robert O'Dean here shortly.
	Oh He is now 69 years old, almost 70, and he is violating a security clearance by telling you the things he is telling you this morning.
	But he doesn't care.
	I guess he's past that point.
	And it is rather unfortunate, isn't it, that we have to get older and we have to get to a point where we don't really give a damn anymore before we'll do something like this.
	But that is the reality of the world.
	And even people who have attained the age that Robert has, many of them will not or cannot come forward because they have pensions.
	Their entire livelihood is at risk if they come forward.
	But he's done it.
	So we'll get back to him in a moment.
	All right.
	You know what I think I'm going to do?
	I think that I am going to open a line, one line, for any of you who have information of the caliber that Robert O'Dean has been talking about.
	Any of you who have been in the military or the government and know firsthand Of the sorts of things that Bob Dean is talking about now, the incident at Minot, North Dakota, with the Minuteman, and I know there was certainly an incident in the Soviet Union, any of you sonar operators who have heard and can confirm the rapid undersea transit of vehicles doing literally hundreds of miles per hour,
	Or any other area of expertise, not people who have seen lights in the sky or sightings, but military people who are now willing, and I understand the problems associated with coming forward, but here I've got a guy on the radio who has violated his lifetime security oath to say what he's saying.
	Surely there are other people Who can grow the right kind of body parts to do the same thing.
	It's the only way we're going to get to this, to the bottom of all this.
	So, let me reserve one line away for any person of that sort, if that is you.
	Please, anybody calling our first-time caller line, hang up.
	And we'll reserve that line for people who are the caliber of Robert O'Dean.
	That number is area code 702-727-1222.
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	702-727-1222.
	you can use any one of the other numbers, but I would ask the public cooperate and let
	that line be free so that anybody of the sort that I just talked about can get through.
	Bye.
	Would make for a very interesting program.
	I know the show is so big it's very hard to do that right now, but I ask that you please do it.
	I will screen that line, so please don't waste your money if that's not you.
	And again, serving up fair warning, that one line I am going to reserve for people of the Robert O'Dean caliber who have first-hand information about the sorts of things we have discussed tonight.
	Area code 702-727-1222.
	Having said that, I would like to begin taking calls for Robert O'Dean.
	Robert, are you there?
	Art, I'm here and before the calls come, and I'm looking forward to speaking to some of your listeners, I would like to say a word or two, if I may, about an organization that I helped found here a few years ago.
	Stargate International.
	It's an international network of members that we put together.
	We publish a bi-monthly newsletter.
	We have free packages of petitions, catalogs, information, complimentary information.
	And Stargate is available as a membership and people can subscribe and I would like to give you a couple of numbers if I may.
	There's a toll-free 24-hour toll-free line called 1-800-636-6398.
	If you were to call Stargate during business hours, there is a number of 520-882-9544.
	I'm very pleased at the response we've been giving from people, particularly people who
	have been listening to your show.
	They support Stargate, and I would like to invite them to become members and subscribe to the newsletter, because we're in a position to send them some free information, and hopefully get them involved in this petition, collecting these signatures for the Coalition of Honesty in Government.
	Why did you call it Stargate?
	Stargate?
	What do I call it?
	Why do you call it Stargate?
	Well, this is going to sound silly to you, but long before the movie, and long before we found out that the Army had a top secret remote viewing program called Stargate, I had a dream one night.
	And in that dream, I heard a voice say to me, that in the fullness of time, the Stargate will open, and the Children of the Light will return home.
	No kidding, and that's... And that hit me like a ton of bricks about four o'clock in the morning.
	When was that?
	How long ago?
	About five years ago.
	Five years ago.
	That's right, that's long before we had the movie, long before we had revelations about Operation Stargate in the military.
	That's true.
	And I sat up like a, you know, like a bolt, and I thought, my God!
	In the fullness of time, the Stargate will open, and the children of the light will return home.
	So I started Stargate with that in mind.
	That sounded very beautiful to me, and the motif and the logo and all is based upon that.
	All right.
	Here's a fact.
	Arne, I believe I may shine some light on the reason that there is interest in our nuclear missile sites.
	I once read a book called the Neotech Discovery.
	The book explained that any civilization whose technological ability reaches The point where they can traverse space-time and or inter-dimensional travel will reach and go beyond something called a nuclear threshold.
	When any civilization reaches that threshold, they will either overcome it or destroy themselves.
	Perhaps they are testing us to see if we are capable of overcoming that threshold.
	That's from Mack in Jackson, Mississippi.
	That's pretty much what you said, isn't it?
	You've got some pretty bright listeners out there, Art.
	I commend that young man.
	I agree with him.
	I think that that's basically what's happening.
	But, you know, this project that I described, this disclosure thing, I think they are the ones that are actually handling it.
	I got an agreement on that some time back from Robert Bigelow in Las Vegas.
	We were talking about disclosure, and he says, listen my friend, don't Don't underestimate the guys out there.
	Everybody down here has an agenda of their own.
	But he said, there's only one agenda.
	I'm having lunch with Bigelow.
	As a matter of fact, I bought the son of a gun his lunch that day.
	You did?
	Yes, and he's worth about 20 mil.
	I know he is.
	The point is that he said to me, there is only one agenda.
	Bigelow pointed straight up.
	And I knew he wasn't talking about guys working on the roof of the restaurant.
	Yeah, well, let me tell you a little bit about Robert Bigelow, something you may or may not know.
	When I was in Las Vegas, at Las Vegas radio station where I spent a decade, Robert Bigelow approached me through a media person in Las Vegas who we both knew.
	And Robert Bigelow had me to his mansion.
	No other way to describe it.
	It's a mansion in Las Vegas.
	And I was ushered in and I went... I've never told this story on the air, I don't think.
	And I was ushered in and went to this very expansive office area.
	It would be something that you would imagine to see in the Oval Office.
	I mean, big.
	Very impressive.
	Sat me down and asked me if I was interested in producing a show that investigated these kinds of things.
	Near-death experiences.
	He had personal reasons for wanting that.
	UFOs.
	Remote viewing.
	All of the topics that I now cover And I said, oh, well, as a matter of fact, yes.
	Now, the reason I guess he approached me is he had heard me do shows sporadically through the years with the likes of John Lear and Bob Lazar and people like that.
	And I sat there and I said, of course, yes, of course.
	And so Robert Bigelow financed, and I mean in totality, financed a program called Area 2000 that I began on that radio station.
	Did you know that?
	I didn't know that.
	That is the genesis of how I made the final leap into doing this kind of programming.
	And as you point out, Robert Bigelow is a many, many times multi-millionaire.
	And I guess one could make a case that Robert Bigelow is the one who pointed me in the direction that I now move.
	I commend him for that.
	And not many people know that, but there it is.
	That's the story.
	Now, if you imagine that I am an operative, or I'm being used in some way, then you could easily, and I have from time to time, wondered if Mr. Bigelow is not the one who sat me down and told me the facts of life.
	Well, he's a very bright man.
	I have great respect for him.
	Don't hold his money against him.
	No.
	But he knows a hell of a lot more than he's ever let on.
	Yes.
	And as you probably know, he has an organization right now, and John Alexander is working for him.
	John communicates with me on a regular basis.
	In fact, he sent me a fax tonight.
	So the line of communication with Robert is still well intact.
	That's good.
	Listen, next time you hear from John, give him my regards.
	I shall.
	Good.
	I shall.
	But I think that we're close to something here as we discuss all of this.
	I wonder what part Robert Bigelow and company may be playing in the overall disclosure process.
	Well, I suspect he's probably a major player whether he knows it or not.
	Now, he may know it.
	Just like Philip Kropp now knows it.
	Yes, he may know it.
	Alright, let's take some calls.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert Odean and Art Bell.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	Fine.
	Where are you?
	Actually, just over the hump here.
	In Las Vegas?
	Yes, sir.
	Alright.
	Anyways, I was stationed at Alpha-141 in Schwäbisch Kommune, Germany.
	Yes.
	And we received the first Persian II missiles.
	It's a medium range, portable ballistic missile.
	Right.
	Well, we remember the SALT II treaties back in 1983?
	Yes, of course.
	This was the missile that caused the Russians to walk away from the negotiations table.
	We weren't supposed to get them, but we got them anyways.
	You got them?
	My unit got them.
	Anyways, I was on guard duty on the missile storage area one night, and we saw these strange lights.
	I wasn't at the actual post, I was in the guardhouse.
	But the guardhouse lit up for no good reason.
	Then like in five minutes, one of the missiles started burning up.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Burning up?
	Yeah, it actually caught on fire.
	They said it was the heating blanket.
	See, the missile propellant can't get below a certain temperature.
	Okay.
	I wasn't a missile.
	I didn't work on the missiles.
	I was an O5 Bravo radio operator.
	But it was my night to be on guard duty.
	Right.
	Anyways, for no good reason, the whole place lit up.
	Woke me up, woke everybody else up.
	And shortly thereafter, the missile was on fire.
	Now these missiles aren't mated with the warheads.
	The warheads were kept in another storage area.
	Good.
	And then when we go to battle or whatever, they bring the warheads out to our field location.
	But, um, I'm confirming the stories about the, um, you know, the UFOs burning up the, uh, Minuteman missiles.
	Yes, sir?
	That actually happened with our Persian II, like, within the first month that we had them.
	Were you aware of this, Robert?
	I'd heard rumors about it, but I'm very grateful for this young man to tell this incident, because I know these things have been happening.
	Um... We had incidents very similar to that at Bentwaters in England, you know.
	Oh, I'm well aware of that one, yes.
	Young man...
	Were you, in any way, debriefed?
	Were you told anything after this incident?
	Oh yeah, of course.
	We were told that, you know, that it was a simple malfunction in the heating blanket of the missile.
	Because, like I said, the propellant can't get below a certain temperature, so they keep the missiles wrapped with these heating blankets.
	And their story was that the heating blanket shorted out and burned the missile up that way.
	Were you told that this information was secret?
	That you were not to tell anybody about it or anything else?
	Everybody already had a clearance.
	Of course they always made a big thing about talking about what goes on duty in town.
	They would even go as far as to send our own operatives Uh, people out of headquarters company would go into town and listen to some of the conversations going on at the bars and what have you.
	And, of course, they'd come back and report to us information.
	Hey, you guys are talking too much.
	And then spill out some of the things that we're talking too much about.
	What kind of light?
	Were there actual objects sighted?
	Well, like I said, I was sleeping in a guardhouse.
	And all I know is I was woken up by a bright light.
	Uh there's one window in the guardhouse so for a light to shine to be to light up the inside of that room.
	Right.
	Like it did it would have to be an awfully bright light you know be comparable to say you know if you took a flood light and shined it straight into the window that kind of light.
	But so it was.
	There wasn't like a big explosion like the um there was you know like you would you know the concussion that you would associate with an explosion.
	Sure.
	There was none of that.
	Just a very bright line.
	Well, listen, I really want to thank you for coming forward, and you're exactly the kind of person they need to come forward.
	How would you feel about talking about this with your name, documenting the entire thing that occurred?
	Would you be willing to do that, or do you think you'd be in trouble?
	Actually, I'd rather not.
	No offense, Art.
	I'll leave the disclosure business to the people who know what they're doing.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	There we are, Bob.
	There we are.
	So, Bob, that's typical, isn't it?
	Art, there are thousands of young men out there like that.
	Many of them have come forward, and I can understand their hesitancy.
	Sure.
	Because many of them are drawing benefits and pensions and all the rest of it, and the last damn thing they need is to have the IRS come down on them, for example, or whatever, and there are a million ways that they can hassle people like this.
	But I commend this young man for speaking out, and if there are any others out there listening, I... Oh, there are.
	There are.
	That's why I opened that line.
	That's why I restricted that line away, because I knew there would be.
	Some have given me their names, Art.
	One of the very best ways to prove to the American public That what we're saying is as real as can be, is to put people like that young man on the air, even if they're not willing to come forward.
	Well, I respect his privacy.
	I respect the fact that he could ruin his life.
	Exactly.
	And that has to be something that you thought about.
	I mean, you're married.
	That angers me, Art, that a young man who's willing to come out and say the truth, to help defend his constitutional system of government, can put himself in harm's way, so to speak.
	Just for coming out and telling the truth.
	Something wrong here.
	If that happens.
	Well, there is something wrong.
	You're exactly right.
	Alright, stay right where you are, Bob.
	We're going to take a break.
	And we will continue with this, and we will take your calls as well.
	My guest is Robert O'Dean.
	69, going on 70 soon.
	Violating his security oath to be telling you these things.
	If you have questions, I've got Robert O'Dean.
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	Now again, here's Art.
	Once again, here I am, top of the morning everybody.
	Robert O'Dean is here, and we are talking about things that I'm not sure we should be, but we are anyway.
	And one of these days, they'll probably come knocking on my door, I wonder.
	All right.
	Now, back to Robert O'Dean.
	Robert, are you there?
	I'm here.
	All right.
	Question by Facts.
	What does Bob know about the 1976 Iranian UFO events that were monitored as it occurred by both the Shaw and by President Ford, the generals who saw it firsthand in the physical, not just radar, Last I heard are now in California.
	They've been interviewed on TV, the TV show Sightings, and there are so many witnesses of caliber military rank that say it occurred.
	It did occur.
	Tell me.
	It's a classic case, Art.
	Really?
	What happened was that an unusual object was picked up on radar near Tehran, and the Iranians, and this was during the Shah's period of time, They got a couple of F-4s up one night to look this thing over and see what the hell was happening.
	This was a pretty good sized object giving off a lot of light and it was giving an enormous signal on the radar.
	These two F-4s got relatively close to it and one of them armed his guns and made an approach.
	Apparently, as he was making the approach with his guns armed, every electrical system in the plane shut down.
	And of course, this is what used to be jokingly referred to as Sphincter City by the pilots.
	Oh yeah?
	When you're flying a jet that has the glide capability of an anvil, and everything shuts down on you, it's pretty hysterical.
	Yes, you become an anvil.
	And what they do, I think, is... So the kid pulled away, and as he pulled away and dropped down, his electrical system came back on.
	And the other plane made a similar pass and approached this enormous object.
	Which was being watched from the ground, which was being monitored on radar, and was monitored by the pilots in the planes.
	And he made a similar pass and the same thing happened to him.
	And he got real panicky and pulled away.
	And this thing was monitored by, as I say, hundreds of people on the ground.
	A number of Iranian Air Force generals were testifying to the reality of it.
	And it's a classic case, and this thing literally was seen later to land.
	And they went back to the site after daylight and looked at where it landed, and of course there was nothing there.
	It's almost a classic case in UFO... And there are general class officers who are willing to testify about this?
	Oh, you bet!
	You see, some of the Iranians who served under the Shah are now living here in this country.
	And several of them are general officers, and they're willing to come forward.
	As a matter of fact, they already have.
	A couple of them, I think, have appeared on sightings or something.
	So this is a classic case, and it's one of hundreds of cases, Art.
	I could talk to you about this all night long.
	Well, that's sort of what we're doing.
	But it's a beautiful classic case, and it's all real.
	The average American knows very little about it.
	You're absolutely right.
	As much as I've been into this material, it's the first time I've heard about this one, Bob.
	So there you are.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, my name's William.
	William, where are you?
	I'm at a little place called Fairfield, California.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	What I'd like to discuss this evening is an experience I had while I was in the military, United States Navy to be exact.
	It occurred in the South China Sea around 1994.
	Yes sir.
	And it's kind of peculiar because my vocation in the military was I was a sonar operator.
	Sonar?
	Yes.
	And basically we had a weapon system on board called the Vertical Launch Weapon System.
	I don't know if anybody's ever heard of that.
	But it pertains more towards the tomahawk side of things.
	Okay.
	Now what happened was one night I was in my computer space working on my computer for my weapon system.
	And what happened was I had to go find my supervisor, and just outside on the weather deck, there's a little small park called the Smoke Brick.
	Normally, sailors hang out there who want to smoke at night, because at night you darken ships so that people can't identify the ship as a U.S.
	warship.
	Gotcha.
	Now, I went outside, and as I did so, standing right on the catwalk was a friend of mine named OS-1.
	Okay, that's what I'll call him from now on because I don't want to disclose the guy's name.
	Okay.
	He's an operations specialist, basically.
	Now, he was staring at something in the distance.
	Now, just off the beam of the ship, I don't know if you understand what the beam of the ship is.
	That's basically just off to the side.
	Okay?
	It'd be the starboard side or the right-hand side of the ship.
	Okay.
	There was something out there, and it was a light.
	Now, he was staring at it intently.
	It had been for several minutes.
	Me, I was preoccupied trying to get, you know, in touch with my supervisor so I could ask questions about what I should do next.
	So, I asked him, have you seen such and such?
	And he goes, no, but you got to look at this.
	This is really neat.
	So I stood there and I looked at it and it appeared to be maybe a container vessel or an aircraft carrier or some other type of thing with a side door open, perhaps.
	Okay.
	Basically it was maybe about, uh, let's say 30 meters long, rectangular in shape.
	And, um, it was very brilliant and it looked as if there were figures moving around inside.
	So I looked at it, and I told him, well, that's just a container vessel.
	I didn't even worry about it.
	So what I did was I went inside, looked inside the smoke braid, didn't find my supervisor, came back around, and I looked at it again.
	And he said to me, he goes, no, you really got to stay here and look at this.
	I said, I don't really have time on this one, right?
	So I turned back around and went back inside the skin of the ship.
	No sooner did I step through the darkened ship's fittings, all power on the ship went out.
	Um, what kind of ship was this?
	Um, this was a Spruce Class Destroyer.
	Um, when did this occur?
	1994.
	All power on the ship went out?
	Yes.
	Now, that's not the, uh, the, the, the teeth of it.
	Okay, I was standing in the passageway.
	All ship, all power is gone.
	I heard the, uh, engines weighing down.
	We had these gas turbine engines on board, which basically are the same thing you'd see on an aircraft, but they're adapted for marine use.
	I heard them wind down, and all the power went out.
	Lights went out, everything.
	Now, if you've ever been on board a U.S.
	warship, you'll know that there are battle lanterns, okay, which we have, which are set up for emergency lighting.
	I was Air Force, not Navy, so I... Yeah, I understand that, but if you ever do get a chance to see it, you'll see what I'm talking about.
	Anyway, these lanterns would come on, just in case this was to happen.
	Sure.
	Did not happen.
	Okay, so I stood there for several minutes.
	Right, until finally somebody got some kind of power out somewhere.
	The battle lanterns came back on, and then they called general quarters.
	Okay, so basically that means the ship's under attack.
	So I scrambled up to the next level above, which is where CIC is.
	That's Combat Information Central.
	Right.
	It's basically the nerve center of the ship.
	Right.
	And straight to my station.
	So I'm sitting up there, we're trying to bring all our systems back up.
	Now, when you have a catastrophic power drop-off like that with a computer, There's a good chance that information's going to be fouled up when you try to bring it back up.
	You bet.
	So, uh, we went on ahead, we brought everything up.
	My system was fine, okay?
	But just behind the console where I sit in CIC, there is the Tom Hawk console.
	A buddy of mine, who will remain nameless at this time, uh, was scrambling, trying to figure out what was wrong.
	And there were all these khaki uniforms around him, right?
	So I'm sitting there and there's a lot of questions being asked and things like that.
	I'm looking at him going, well, hey, what the heck's going on here?
	So, I went on ahead and I just got on the net for the ship.
	We have this communication network called Sound Powered Phones on board, which we use to communicate.
	And I'm listening to the watch keepers outside, outside the skin of the ship.
	There's normally six guys which are on lookout on the top of the ship at night.
	And everybody's going bananas.
	They're talking about that object that OS-1 had pointed out to me shot up off the water and projected a strobing beam at the ship.
	Just prior to the power drop-off.
	Oh my.
	So, I'm sitting there, I'm going, oh my goodness, and I mean, you know, they were talking to the bridge, and the bridge was talking to them, and people on the bridge had seen this, these watchstanders had seen it, and everybody who was standing out there on the weather deck, which is basically where you can see the stars and everything else, right, the surface of the water, had seen it also.
	If I had been out there myself, I would have seen it too.
	I'm sitting here, I'm scratching my head.
	My goodness, what the heck is going on?
	So I turn back around and my friend came across from the Tomahawk console and I asked him, I said, what the heck is going on?
	And he goes, you're not going to believe this.
	I said, what is this?
	He says, we fired a missile.
	Now, a Tomahawk is roughly about 19 feet long.
	Okay?
	And it weighs a couple thousand pounds.
	Right.
	If something like that had left the ship, the whole ship would have moved.
	You would have known it.
	I hear you.
	Okay.
	So I'm sitting there and I'm going, okay, well that can't be possible because we didn't hear any whoosh, bang or anything, right?
	And also there's a camera repeater that we have, which allows us to see the launcher itself from inside CIC.
	Right.
	Now I'm sitting there and I'm looking at that, and if that had left our ship, there'd be a big burn mark on the launcher too.
	Sure.
	Right?
	Of course.
	No burn mark?
	No burn mark.
	No evidence that this missile had been fired.
	But the missile was gone?
	Now, this is where the teeth of it come in.
	General Quarters was called.
	We went on ahead and went through our paces and found out that this thing had eluded us.
	It had taken off.
	Okay?
	So we went on ahead and high-tailed it back to port.
	Okay?
	The home port of this ship, I can disclose this, is Yokosuka, Japan.
	Okay.
	And by the time we got back to Yokosuka, Japan, I was with a friend of mine who was the fellow who put this missile in question in the module where it was to be launched.
	Right.
	And he was a gunner's mate.
	Now, what happened was we were basically told not to discuss this.
	But I kind of hung around that day just to see what was going on.
	I happened to be out and watch that day.
	So when they finally pulled in, A group of people came on board.
	They were in gray and black suits, right, with, you know, the alphabet agencies behind them.
	I know a few of them to be the NIS, the Naval Investigative Service.
	Sure.
	Right, it's now changed its name.
	And I do know that some of the other ones were also NSA.
	Now they came on board and they were talking to the Gunners Mate Chief about this particular missile.
	And, um, Gunnery Chief told him, hey, you know, this missile, you know, when we got it, everything was cool, there was no problems with it, we had no difficulties.
	Showed them all the maintenance records on it.
	Right.
	Right?
	My friend who was up there in charge of firing the weapon, he showed them all the maintenance records.
	Alright, something I'm not clear on.
	When you got back to Yokosuka, was the Tomahawk still gone?
	No.
	It was still reading as being fired.
	Now, this is where it really gets cool hard, okay?
	What they wanted to do is they wanted to do a physical inspection of the missile itself.
	Right.
	Now what this entailed is opening up the doorway which leads down to the missile.
	Right.
	Now they did so.
	They opened that up.
	Now just over the top of every missile that you get is a protective piece of latex.
	Okay?
	A black piece of latex which prevents weather from getting in and salt water.
	Okay.
	This was still there.
	Now, if a missile had been fired out of that module, that would have been torn.
	Obviously.
	Okay?
	So, what happened was, they said, okay, well, sometimes your Coast Guard will give you a dud, just to check to see if there's, like, a drill or anything.
	You know, they'll send a message to the missile, and you're supposed to shoot it, and nothing happens.
	Uh-huh.
	So, what happened was, one of the fellows in the gray suits told the Chief, okay, take a knife and cut that open.
	We want to see a warhead.
	Chief did that.
	He cut it open.
	There was no warhead.
	No warhead.
	No warhead and no missile.
	And no missile.
	Yes.
	As you look down inside the canister where the missile is, there are mechanical clampers that hold the missile in place before it gets ready to fire.
	Right.
	And there is an umbiblical cord which fits into the side of the missile.
	Right.
	Right?
	These things were still in place, but there was no missile.
	Now, when my friend, the gunner's mate, had put this missile on board, his maintenance records, the first thing that they do is attach the external umbilical cord to the internal coupling.
	And when they do this, they have to do what's called a PMS check, Preventive Maintenance Check, to make sure that the missile is reading HOT.
	And this bird was reading that there was a bird in this tube.
	There was a missile inside this tube when it was put on.
	Now, I've been trying to fax you quite a while about this, and it seems like it's hard to get through to you.
	Well, it's well that you made it through this way.
	Tonight seems like the perfect night.
	Yeah, it sure does.
	Robert, you want to react or ask any questions?
	Well, I must say that I'm impressed with what William had to say, and I think this young man knows exactly what he's talking about.
	So do I. His knowledge of the procedures and the way these missiles are placed tells me he was there.
	And the fact that this missile disappeared and nobody knows what to do or how to account for it, I can imagine this incident is pretty highly classified.
	Yeah, the one thing that did happen after this, Art, was the crew was assembled and we were told not to speak about it.
	Yes, you were de-briefed.
	Basically, yes.
	Thank you so much for sharing this.
	Was it by your commanding officer?
	This is by our commanding officer, yes.
	Just as a matter of curiosity, I know it's a hard question, but if you knew that others were coming forward, would you, with your name and with your background, which could be checked, come forward?
	I certainly would.
	I feel that this is something that really needs to be brought out in the open.
	And I've heard from other people on other ships in other parts of the world have had Either similar or the exact same thing happened.
	And it's really scary when, you know, the U.S.
	Navy has a war platform like a Spruance-class destroyer, which is just about the state-of-the-art that we have in the water right now.
	And something can just sneak up on us without being detected by our most powerful radars and just swipe one of our most powerful weapons out from underneath us.
	That is a very scary prospect.
	Yes, sir, it is.
	And if it's been going on, then... I just don't know what to say to you.
	I wish I had a naval expert on here, but my guess is, and I'm just guessing, well, layman, I was an Air Force guy, that everything you've said sounds logical to me.
	Now, I want to thank you, and would you please contact me by fax and send me your phone number?
	I would like to interject something here.
	I've commended you a couple of times before about the program and the way you handle it, but I'd like to say something positive about your listeners.
	You've got a listener group out there, like William, that can make one hell of a difference.
	And I'd like to speak to all of the people who are listening out there who are as concerned about this as you and I are, about the constitutional problems and about the loss of honesty in government.
	And I'd like to ask those people to contact Stargate International.
	And not only just let us know that you're out there, but let us know that you're willing to help, and let us send some material to you.
	We have quite a bit of information that we'll send free of charge.
	And if you get a hold of Stargate at 1-800-636-6398 or during business hours 520-882-9544, I think the listeners to the Art Bell Show could make one hell of a difference.
	So get in touch with Stargate guys.
	We will do what we can to help you.
	In addition on our website if you scroll down to the name Robert Odeen you will see his website there and you can jump right across and read about Stargate International.
	There are places where I guess we have to have points of gathering for people like the man who just called us and like the man who called earlier.
	I mean these are astounding stories and you can never know for sure If somebody is telling you the truth, but I can only say that listening to that, I think that I was hearing the truth.
	You were getting a straight story from William, I can tell you that.
	Yeah, I believe that.
	I've been aboard some of those ships, and I've seen some of those systems.
	Robert, if you believe that, then you've got to believe a lot more.
	Stay where you are, we'll be right back.
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	What an incredible program this morning. And I mean that.
	What an incredible program.
	We'll get back to Robert O'Dean and your calls shortly.
	Bob, welcome back.
	Robert O'Dean, welcome back.
	Thank you, Art.
	Bob, I've got a fax here that is begging me to ask you something.
	It says, Art, from Hawaii, Bob Dean is the quintessential UFO expert.
	Please ask him to relate the Bill Holden It is the most credible I've ever heard, and he notes that you made an appearance, I guess, on the Big Island Conference, and he thought it was great.
	What is the Bill Holden story?
	Well, Bill is a retired Air Force man, Art.
	He was chief of the stewards group on Air Force One when Jack Kennedy was in office.
	You know, on Air Force One they carry a group of Air Force guys who look after the President, see to his needs, provide him with nutrition and coffee and whatever.
	Right.
	And Holden was a head of that group on Air Force One during the very brief Kennedy administration.
	And Bill made a trip one time.
	He was invited to be a member of the stewards group on an Air Force plane that flew a bunch of VIPs.
	Off to a secret place in the United States.
	The President, I don't believe, was aboard at this particular time, but there were a whole bunch of generals and people who got aboard, and they stopped again somewhere from Washington on the way.
	Apparently they went to some facility in the Southwest, and they landed at an Air Force facility.
	Apparently, according to what Bill said, everybody on board was quite shocked because as they taxied over to what appeared to be a canyon in this remote desert area, the canyon kind of opened up and there was a large UFO sitting on the ground.
	And it sounds to me like it might have been at S4 over there, outside of Area 51.
	South of Area 51?
	Yeah, it sounds like it.
	Very similar, because Bill said that then The walls of the canyon literally opened up and the plane taxied into this area and there was this big ship sitting there and I guess everybody's mouth dropped open and standing outside of the ship were apparently two or three members of the crew and they weren't from here.
	Oh my!
	That's the thing that Bill talks about and he says it affected him, it affected everybody
	on board and the generals even.
	Some of the top civilians were in a state of shock.
	Apparently it was an arranged kind of situation where the Air Force knew it was there and
	the guys from somewhere knew that the Air Force was coming and there was a little bit
	of a confab taking place.
	But Bill was never allowed off the plane.
	All he and the guys could do was look through the windows and see this thing and see these
	guys that were standing close to it.
	Well you and I both know this area does exist.
	As a matter of fact, Norio Hayakawa sent me a photograph recently taken at Area 51, clearly showing what appears to be a saucer hovering above Area 51.
	Now, it is a saucer.
	I mean, there's no question about it.
	It is that.
	So, plus we have literally, literally hundreds of eyewitness reports having seen the same sort of thing in and around Area 51.
	Of course, the overarching question is whether we really do have what we have there.
	Do we have our own technology that we are testing?
	Do we have back-engineered technology as Bob Lazar and others believe?
	uh... being tested at area fifty one or a grid years ago being tested
	or even still being tested and so
	it sounds like that same area and how much uh... credibility do you give his story
	i've listened to bill i've talked to him many times and when i first heard the story i was
	a little bit curious and a little bit dubious
	because i i am quite skeptical about a lot of things.
	But before Bill had finished and he'd completely told me the whole story and how it happened, I began to think he was telling the truth.
	I have no reason to doubt that he is, because what he described has been described by other people, other times and other places.
	So I have a suspicion that that's really happened.
	Remarkable.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert O'Dean and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	Okay, sir, where are you?
	Well, I'm in Murfreesboro.
	Please turn your radio off, that's number one.
	I'm sorry.
	We'll hold while you do that.
	I'm sorry about that.
	That's quite alright.
	Your first name?
	Bill.
	Okay, Bill, what's on your mind?
	Well, I was in the Navy for 13 years.
	I was an AW.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	What is an AW?
	Aviation Anti-Submarine Warfare Operator.
	Okay.
	I basically hunted submarines from helicopters.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	We used a lot of sonobuoys and sophisticated sonar equipment and different things depending on which airframe I was in at the time.
	Right.
	Well, I sent you a fax on this, but you apparently didn't get it or part of it.
	Or something like that.
	Before we continue, may I ask you a question?
	Obviously you've been listening to the program.
	Yes.
	We spent about 20 minutes last half hour with a young man who told an incredible story.
	And I'm not Navy, so I wouldn't know whether what he was saying sounded right or wrong.
	You were Navy.
	That's correct.
	What did you think of what he said?
	Well, his procedures sounded correct.
	I find it really hard to fathom a missile disappearing out of a silo.
	Well, we all do.
	But totally feasible, I guess.
	In terms of procedure and what he had to say, that sounded on the mark?
	It sounded pretty good.
	The only problem I had was everything sounded good except for his CIC.
	His CIC consoles.
	If he was a OS, like he said, he wouldn't be up in actual CIC.
	He'd be down in a sonar area, which is right behind CIC.
	I used to be on a screw cam.
	And, well, it was kind of different.
	Okay.
	Anyway, you obviously have your own story.
	Yeah, well, I do.
	I'm at work right now, and I just got a bunch of customers in.
	So now you're not going to be able to tell it?
	Well, no.
	I might have to call you back.
	I'm sorry.
	All right.
	I thank you.
	All due to circumstances.
	No, I understand.
	Believe me.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Robert O'Dean.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Brad in Paulville, Washington again.
	Hello, Brad.
	I had an incident I'd like to talk about in 1968 that occurred with me in Germany in a track park.
	What occurred?
	I was with a bunch of other men who were working on one of the track vehicles replacing track pads.
	And one of the guys was working with the radio as a PRC-5.
	You're going to have to, excuse me, trackpads?
	Trackpads are little rubber pads that they put on the track so they don't scar the pavement.
	The Germans were very touchy about their roads and didn't want these tracked vehicles running around without... I've got you.
	Yes, I know the Germans are sensitive about a lot of things.
	Low-flying aircraft and a lot of other stuff, yeah.
	And one of the things that occurred was that while the man was on the radio, he started to become extremely excited and called us around to the back of the track where he was relaying information.
	He spoke Czechoslovakian.
	His grandparents were in Czechoslovakia.
	And he'd even gotten permission to visit them.
	But what the report was going on was he was claiming that he was overhearing one of the Czech pilots chasing an object that had invaded their space.
	Right.
	They were unable to raise it and they were unable to make it veer from its course.
	And so this Czech pilot was told to open fire on the thing.
	And he claimed that he heard some shots and then he heard the commanding officer of whatever squadron it was, order that pilot off of that channel and onto another.
	And apparently, the pilot was screaming that he'd hit it.
	And it looked like it was going down before the channel was changed.
	And that was the last he heard?
	Yeah, and that was like in, well, I can't remember for sure.
	It was either June or July of 1968.
	I've already told this to Robert some time ago, as a matter of fact.
	Yes, I remember hearing it.
	Thank you for saying it again.
	Yes, thank you very much for the story.
	Now, you know, I'm beginning to think, based on the volume of calls and reports, Robert, that within the military this is, you know, you don't want to say common, but so common that we can sit here and get story after story after story after story like this and So, it makes rather ludicrous the armed services claim that whatever UFOs are, they are not a threat to national security.
	What a bunch of bull!
	Well, you know, I've wondered about that, Art.
	It's puzzled me, too.
	But I have a suspicion that at certain levels of government we may know something.
	That these guys are not really dangerous.
	That they are not here Malevolent or a hostile sense, and that maybe that's the answer, that we know that there is no real threat to national security.
	I think the biggest threat to national security is the damn lying, the cover-up, and the damage to the Constitution.
	I suspect there are people in the Air Force who know that these things are real, and they know that they're here, and they probably discern that they are not a real threat to national security.
	But I think the real threat to the country is what's being done to the Constitution and the fact that government has literally institutionalized lying.
	That's the thing that ticks me off the most.
	Even so, so badly that NASA has been told with in-house memorandums how to lie and violate the Freedom of Information Act.
	Actually, I've seen those memos, Bob.
	And you know, this indicates that we've got ourselves a major problem.
	I don't think that I don't think our cousins from up there, if you will, are any real threat, Art.
	They've been with us for thousands of years.
	Well, I would not regard them as a real threat, but missing missiles, melted warheads, I'm sure that anybody at the highest level of the military or NSA or whatever, they would regard that as a threat.
	Well, yes.
	That's the military mindset, Art.
	We were trained to be paranoid.
	And if we weren't when we went in, we were certainly so when we came out.
	And that's the way they look at these things.
	There's a brilliant scientist by the name of Berggren, who used to work for NASA, who is now living in retirement in England and has written an incredible book called The Ringmakers of Saturn.
	And in that book of Berggren's is our actual photographs that were taken of Saturn and some of the stuff that was picked up And photographed near Saturn is absolutely mind-boggling.
	In Berggren's book, and you have to get it from England.
	You sure as hell can't find it in this country.
	And the minute NASA saw these things in photos, their immediate response was, oh, this has got to be a threat.
	Because these objects were so damn big that they couldn't imagine anything that large out there being anything but a threat.
	But again, you know, I think that there are people in government who realize that if they were a real threat, it would have been over a long time ago.
	Well, I have found much of what I've heard tonight to be very, very convincing.
	And I would like to give you an opportunity, Robert, to again, I know you've got a three times award-winning video out.
	I've been hearing a lot about it.
	The name of that video, once again, is?
	Well, Art, I'm very proud of it.
	It was put together by Joseph Bergeron up in Seattle.
	It's titled, The Greatest Story Never Told.
	And it won three awards.
	And you can get a copy by calling Joe at 888-338-8581.
	And I'm on the thing, and it's about 90 minutes, and I think it's worth the money.
	Oh, how much is it?
	I think it's $39.95 or something like that.
	But I've been told by people who've seen it that they were quite pleased with it.
	Yeah, I'm getting the same messages.
	I'm getting a lot of faxes saying that that is indeed hot stuff.
	So, 1-888-338-8581.
	That's correct.
	And then there is Stargate, the Stargate website, of course.
	That's correct.
	And then there is Stargate, the Stargate website of course.
	Stargate International has a couple of numbers I'd like to give if you don't mind.
	No, go right ahead.
	1-800-636-6398.
	That's a 24 hour toll free line.
	The other one is the business line during business hours.
	That's 520-882-9544.
	And that's 520-882-9544.
	And I would like to ask your listeners to join with us and to become a part of Stargate.
	And if they give that number a call, there's a lot of complimentary information that we
	will send them.
	Thank you.
	We will invite them to subscribe to the newsletter, which I'm rather pleased with.
	Okay, one of the things that I heard very clearly from you earlier tonight, Robert, was that you're beginning to reassess yourself the way you think all of this can be broken open.
	And you're beginning to come to possibly the same conclusion that As he said he has, and that I have, and that is that we are not going to accomplish this purely through the constitutional process, in other words, by applying pressure to Washington.
	Art, I find that rather disappointing for me to have reached this point, because I was a great believer in the constitutional process, and I thought that bunch of guys in Washington could really bring this about.
	But I have run into so damn many stone walls and so many top people in the Senate and the House who don't want to get within ten yards of this thing.
	And I've almost begun to give up on the constitutional process.
	And then I've begun to realize, after I've seen the things like Phil Kropp and some of the other reports we've got from the Stargate International Network, that this is happening all over the world.
	That apparently the disclosure is underway.
	Robert, suppose I were an NSA official and I came and I knocked on your door and I said, look, Robert, you're right.
	We are in contact.
	We've been in contact for some time.
	But I'm going to ask your cooperation, Robert, because we have studies And we know for a fact that the information, if revealed to the American people, would cause such disruption, socially, economically, politically, in every way you can imagine, that there would be many people hurt, and it would be very disruptive, and we're simply not quite prepared yet to release the information, and we're asking you to button up.
	How would you answer such a plea?
	Well, I'd probably invite him in for a beer.
	And I would show him the material that I have, and I would show him the indications that I've gotten from Stargate, that the people are not that damn frantic, that the people are farther along in this area than their government realizes.
	That the common person out there, Art, is a hell of a lot brighter than their government has ever realized.
	And I speak out fluently, and I travel all over the damn place, and I have had no one run screaming hysterically from the auditorium.
	I find that the average person is not only... Ah, but you're preaching now to the choir, not necessarily the average person.
	Well, that's a good point.
	Yeah, I grant you that.
	So, I mean, if he made a plea to your patriotism and laid down a good case, is it something you'd have to think about?
	Well, I might think about it for about two minutes.
	That's what the Brookings Report said back in 19... I know, that's why I brought it.
	Listen, we're out of time, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Alright, listen, thank you.
	Good night.
	That's Robert O'Dean.
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	All right, here we go again.
	On my special line, you are on the air.
	Hi.
	Bill, cruising through Wyoming at the moment.
	Hi, Bill.
	I was stationed at Minot in 81 in missile maintenance.
	In what?
	Missile maintenance.
	Oh, missile maintenance.
	Yes.
	All right.
	1981, of course, was the time that Robert O'Dean just talked about with regard to a warhead problem, a missile problem, and UFOs.
	What do you know, if anything?
	Well, I can say that if anything did happen to a warhead, it didn't happen on the system he described in Minot.
	The Minuteman III missile system has a Mark 12 re-entry system on it, consisting of three warheads, 75 kiloton each.
	So there's no 10 megaton warheads in Minot.
	Well, I know at some point we had single warheads that were converted to multiple re-entry warheads, and I don't know when that conversion occurred.
	Well, that was mid-70s, I think.
	But in 81, they were all multi warhead systems.
	They were?
	Yes.
	And the launcher closure doors aren't 20 tons, they're 110 tons, etc, etc.
	So you don't give a lot of credence to that story?
	Not to that one in particular.
	No.
	As far as the rest of it, I don't know.
	I keep an open mind on it all, but as far as that particular story goes, I don't think that happens.
	Well, I've heard from an awful lot of separate sources, just not Robert O'Dean, not about the melting, mind you, of the warhead, but of incidents in which things did hover over silos and, in fact, did shut down missiles.
	Well, there's a lot of unexplained things happened to those systems.
	You know, the electronics in them are old, but still.
	You know, there's some things you just can't explain, but as far as that particular, the melting of the warhead and whatnot, I don't think that actually occurred, though.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	Thank you.
	Now, you've got to imagine two things.
	One, that this gentleman is absolutely sincere and was there.
	Or, was there and simply was not aware of this incident.
	Now, I would imagine people who were not present when it occurred would not be told second-hand or any other way.
	So, I don't know.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	I have something to say here.
	Well, you're going to have to yell because I can barely hear you.
	Okay.
	Well, these beings, whatever they may be, are definitely a threat to national security.
	There is absolutely no doubt about it.
	How could they not be?
	Well, they are, but what I'm saying is it's not necessarily a bad thing.
	Well, yes.
	You know what?
	I'm actively considering exactly what you're saying.
	Well, in my opinion, you know how art right now is imitating life?
	What with the movies, imitating exactly what's going on in actual political structure.
	I know.
	In fact, there is so much of that going on that I am sincerely worried about the release of deep impact.
	Okay.
	Check this out for just a second here.
	What's going on with Iraq right now?
	Yes.
	They've been treating their people horribly for a long time, and nobody particularly cares about the way people live in Iraq within their own system.
	However, when they develop instruments That can destroy us, that can destroy other parts of the world?
	We take a really big interest.
	So do the Israelis, and anybody else who would be threatened by Iraq, you're damn right.
	Now, on a galactic scale... Same thing.
	If somebody is watching us, and if they're there, they're watching us pretty close.
	Makes sense.
	Because they're coming within our atmosphere.
	I hear you.
	No, I hear you.
	What you're saying, I think, is very dramatically illustrating what we've been talking about all night, and that is, as he points out, who cares about Iraq?
	But the minute they begin acquiring weapons of mass destruction, and they've already, of course, demonstrated the will to use them, look what they did to the Kurds, they gassed them, then we take notice?
	Israel takes notice?
	Even other Arab countries nervously take notice.
	And if necessary, action.
	We take action.
	Now, when you expand the scale, and you consider the world is armed with weapons capable of utterly destroying itself, if somebody was watching, and I'll draw a line under if, They would take a very active interest in our capability, the Russians' capability, probably the Chinese and the Indians and the Pakistanis and anybody else who has nuclear devices.
	So I think what he just said was a very, very good demonstration, illustration, of why somebody, if they are there, if, underlined, Would be taking a very active interest in us.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I had a pretty good feeling about why you were a little bit troubled looking up Wormwood in the Bible.
	Yes.
	Yeah, translated into Russian, it's Chernobyl.
	That's correct.
	Yeah.
	Is that correct?
	Why you're a little nervous about looking that up?
	Um, I was a little nervous after I looked it up, and of course you can read about how it will poison all the water.
	That's right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've been listening to your show for, oh, off and on for about two years, but pretty heavily within the last couple months, a buddy of mine turned me on to your show, and it was cool.
	I didn't know that too many other people liked Cusco until I heard your show.
	Yeah, because I was listening to your show on real-time audio, and then I realized that you were playing Flute Wars.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You have great taste in music.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Yeah, expect some stuff from New Mexico, because I've been writing some stuff, actually, about you.
	Oh, you have?
	Music.
	Music, really?
	Yes, yes.
	I will be looking for it.
	Oh, yeah, most definitely.
	I'll be coming from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
	All right, my friend.
	My name's Marshall.
	I'll talk to you later.
	I'll look for it, Marshall.
	Thank you.
	There have been some people that have done some really good stuff.
	And I listen to it.
	I listen to every bit of it.
	So if you have something, if you have written something, send it along.
	I'll listen.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, this is Eric from Culver State.
	Let me turn my radio off.
	Okay, Eric.
	Please do.
	And go right ahead.
	I'm just very grateful to be on your show.
	I think you're doing an incredible job.
	Thank you for releasing all this information.
	I've been thoroughly in this ufology for 12 years, and I'm a little nervous.
	Well, here's my view of it.
	I've been thinking about this for some time now.
	If I continue to do what I do, maybe 80% of it, maybe 70% of it, is baloney.
	But, you know what?
	of it is baloney. But you know what? 10, 15, 20 percent of it may be dead on the money,
	and one of these days, somebody is going to tell a story like that Navy fellow did a little
	earlier, and I'm going to step on the wrong toes.
	It's inevitable.
	It's a matter of time.
	Yeah, it is.
	But you're also creating, I mean, for people like me, you're spawning a hundred different Art Bells out in the world.
	Thousands.
	I would hope that would be so.
	In other words, if something got me, then I would hope that there'd be a hundred more that would take up I was just watching First Contact, Star Trek, and when they went back in time, the first guy who invented the warp drive, I kind of see you as like that.
	You're like the father of releasing all this information.
	It's really incredible.
	I've had experiences such as you.
	I think millions of people have had experiences.
	Well, I'm not into the concept of martyrdom, you know?
	Yeah.
	I mean, either am I. I mean, I was when I first got into this.
	I was so passionate because I had a real life experience with it.
	But now, you know... That'll do it, I know.
	Yeah, you know, but that time has gone on and I've seen how everything's developed.
	It's just been exposed on TV and now it's in people's consciousness.
	It's just a part of life.
	It's a part of the time and space that we're in right now.
	It is becoming so, yes.
	Yes, you're absolutely right.
	Thank you very much.
	It is becoming that, and I am part of that process.
	There's no doubt about that.
	I recognize that distinct possibility.
	I wonder about it all the time.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Calling from Anchorage.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, you're just getting by as basic as I can get as far as freedom.
	Sure.
	It goes down to the vote, and there are all these people that are turning off, and don't you... You've got all these politicians that are lying to us, and yet they have the ballot box.
	If they would lie to your face, you know, there's no doubt in my mind that they would rig the box.
	Too big a job.
	You know, in Little Banana Republics, you can do it.
	Oh no, you just take it off and feed it into a computer.
	Yeah, I know.
	You're back to vote fraud.
	James Collier.
	I know.
	Look, we don't need to repeat the call we had the other night.
	We did all this the other night.
	Well, you know, Texas is an open mind.
	I have an open mind.
	I have an absolute open mind.
	Do you see a reason that there should be a change?
	Or should it be the way it is right now?
	More people being turned off by voting.
	Turned off against voting.
	That's a matter of individual responsibility, isn't it?
	If votes were openly counted, Then we wouldn't be asking you the question, are the elections being rigged?
	I'm not asking that question.
	I have no doubt that there is fraud in elections.
	But, by and large, I don't think there is fraud.
	I don't think there needs to be fraud.
	The entire process is so damn rigged that there really doesn't need to be fraud.
	For the most part, you're right.
	But there are some issues That they're going to get one way or the other.
	Well, that's right.
	I mean, look in California, where they have had ballot initiatives, and the voters have said by initiative, which is a legitimate process in California, that they want the following.
	Inevitably, the courts come along and invalidate the vote.
	Now, what I'm suggesting to you is that there does not need to be actual count fraud, though there is some of it.
	There doesn't need to be, because by and large, the whole damn thing is so rigged for incumbents, for the ones already in power, that it's not needed.
	The process, where it all begins, the process Yeah, well, all right, thank you.
	I know you're a Collier booster and a vote fraud person, and I know that's a track you keep going down repeatedly in call after call, and I'm only resistant to the degree that I think it is not as widespread as James Collier and obviously yourself feel that it is.
	It, let me repeat, it does not need to be.
	It simply doesn't need to be.
	It would be an enormous job in the first place to have a kind of a level of fraud that you are suggesting occurs in elections.
	But more importantly, as I keep saying, they don't need to.
	It's all rigged anyway.
	The system ensures that.
	International line, you're on the air.
	It's Ross Dow, Australia, with another little report for you.
	Ah, yes sir.
	How's everything down under this morning?
	Well, it's evening here.
	Good morning to you.
	Sorry about that.
	That's OK.
	Victoria, Australia has experienced a tornado, which we don't normally experience in Australia.
	It's a very rare event, if ever recorded before.
	Well, it is not rare here, but we have had more tornadoes this year than any year in my living memory.
	Yes, we normally get cyclones which come off the ocean, which is up north.
	Now, Victoria is down the south part of Australia.
	A little place called One Thaggy has had a little visit and was ripped up by a small tornado, which is a bit of a director for us.
	And we've got another little matter to ask you about, Art, is that there's been recent reports about the Leonid meteor storm turning up on the 17th of November.
	Oh yes, it's going to be the biggest meteor storm in 33 years, or maybe even longer.
	What would happen to us all?
	It would probably cause a stock market crash and we're in trouble.
	Well, it's strange you would say that because it is putting at risk about 500 satellites that transfer funds overnight as we sleep from market to market.
	And a lot of those satellites could suddenly go... Listen, can you hold on?
	Sure.
	Alright, hold on.
	They love it at the network when I do this.
	It's a great way to get a little bit of a kick out of it.
	I'm going to play a little bit of the original.
	From the Kingdom of Nye, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	From east of the Rockies, call Art at 1-800-825-5033.
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	First-time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222.
	and New Mexico at 1-800-618-8255. First time callers may reach out at area code 702-727-1222.
	And you may fax art at area code 702-727-8499. Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
	one or two pages.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Now again, here's Art.
	You know, tonight's program was very, very dramatic.
	To the degree that it has me sitting here thinking, one of these nights we are going to tread upon ground that We should not be treading bond.
	We may have done it tonight.
	And I wonder what will happen.
	I kind of wonder.
	I'm just idly curious what will happen.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	It's Rob calling from Vancouver, BC.
	I called you earlier.
	That's prior to 10.
	1410 Seafront.
	You called me earlier tonight?
	Yeah, I got a hold of you.
	Well, then you are breaking the law, I'm afraid, because we only allow one call per show.
	I didn't know that.
	Yep, that's a rule.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Going once, going twice, gone.
	A wild card line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Let me turn off the radio.
	All right, thank you.
	Oh, great.
	Glad I got through.
	I'm a new listener.
	I like your show a lot.
	Thank you.
	I would like you to ask Colonel Dean about the Timmins-Dorp, Germany retrieval in 1962.
	Well, I'd love to, but Bob Dean is not here at the moment.
	Oh, he left.
	Well, if he comes back, ask him about that.
	Twelve bodies.
	British Army got it.
	All right.
	He wrote about it in the Flying Saucer Review.
	Yes, he told that story.
	You must have missed it.
	Oh, I work at night and I couldn't get... I couldn't... Well, I knew it was a great story.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	Yes, he told that story.
	He saw the autopsy photographs.
	He saw the reports.
	First person he saw.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Who's this?
	Who are you calling?
	Art Bell.
	That's who it is.
	Oh, okay.
	Wow, I actually got through.
	Amazing.
	It would seem so.
	Pardon me?
	I said it would seem so.
	Yes, you're on the air.
	Oh, I am on the air.
	Yes.
	Well, I was calling on your program that you have going on tonight about UFOs and stuff like that.
	Stuff like that, yes.
	Yeah.
	I've been listening.
	You've got your radio on, don't you?
	Yes, I do.
	Turn it off.
	Okay.
	Turn that sucker off.
	Forever all night.
	Turn that radio off.
	Yes, I do.
	Good.
	Now, what can I do for you?
	Well, throughout the years, I've been looking at the stars at night time.
	I'm kind of drawn to going outside and checking everything out and looking around.
	It's a big sky, isn't it?
	Oh, yes, it is.
	It's very beautiful.
	And living in Alaska for 13 years, you tend to see a lot.
	Where in Alaska are you?
	Well, I used to live in Alaska.
	Oh, you're not in Alaska?
	No, not right now.
	I spent 13 years there.
	I was going to ask you about the aurora, because it should be really cooking.
	It's beautiful.
	I've seen some... I've done some really weird things.
	For a lot of people, they think, oh, no, it's a UFO or whatever the case may be.
	No, it's just the aurora.
	No, it's very beautiful.
	Yes?
	Anyway, living up there, a couple of times, you see weird stuff.
	You're in the forest, lights flashing and stuff like that.
	A lot of people blow it off like, oh, maybe it's just the aurora.
	But living in the area that I did live in, knowing that there's no houses in that area,
	it's just nothing but forest.
	And seeing flashing lights and white and green and red lights.
	Well, those are all lights that could be associated with aurora.
	Thank you.
	So I'm not exactly sure what you have said.
	I would, however, enjoy talking to somebody in Alaska right now.
	Because with the activity on the sun, and by the way, we have had now two class M flares and a new class X flare.
	Along with three apparent ejecta from the sun.
	So, we are about to go into another intense magnetic storm, period of magnetic storm.
	One that could disrupt the very broadcast you're listening to right now.
	It will also cause a remarkable display of aurora in Alaska.
	And my guess would be that in the last, oh I don't know, week or two, the people in Alaska have been getting quite a treat.
	Matter of fact, let me open my lines for Alaska.
	Would somebody from Alaska please call the West of the Rockies line or any of the other lines?
	Calling Alaska.
	Let's see if my guess is correct.
	Um, would everybody else hang up please?
	Hang up.
	Hang up the phone.
	On all the other lines.
	Alaska only.
	For just a few minutes.
	I'm quite curious if what we know or think is true with regard to what's going on in the sun.
	There should be some remarkable aurora reports coming from Fairbanks and Anchorage.
	Let's see if we can get Alaska online.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello there.
	That was weird, whatever it was.
	First time caller online, you're on the air.
	Good morning, and greetings from the low desert.
	Oh, I'm trying to get Alaska, sir.
	Alaska?
	I appreciate your call, but I'm trying to get Alaska.
	Yes, that's what I've been saying.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	No?
	Longhorn Line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Oh, yes.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	Are you in Alaska?
	No, I'm not.
	No?
	Okay, well, I'm going to move on, sir.
	I'm trying to get a call from Alaska, and I'm asking again.
	Everybody just lay off for a minute.
	Let me get a call from Alaska.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, this is, uh, it's not just Alaska.
	Uh, where are you?
	I'm in Wausau, Wisconsin.
	We got them bright.
	You've been seeing the aurora in Wisconsin?
	Yeah.
	We get it a lot here, but it was like an invasion from another world that night.
	It was just nuts.
	I imagine that it would be that far south.
	But I would imagine from Alaska it must be unbelievable.
	It coded all the way up to the northern points of the southern sky.
	And there was just waves of it coming across.
	It wasn't just the straight patterns that you see.
	Swirling, it was just coding.
	Next couple of days, it's coming back.
	Oh yeah, I'm gonna be out there.
	Alright sir, thank you very much for the report.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, Art.
	Yes.
	How you doing?
	Fine, where are you?
	I'm in California.
	Okay, I'm looking for Alaska right now, but I appreciate it sir, thank you.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air, hello.
	Hey, how you doing?
	Fine, are you in Alaska?
	Yes.
	Where?
	Anchorage.
	Anchorage.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Finally.
	I had to reveal something to you that I don't know.
	Do you believe that President Reagan was given the Alzheimer's disease or is faking his disease to keep the public from asking him any questions about what he knows about UFOs?
	Gosh, I think that's a dumb question.
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	Well, think about it.
	That's all.
	Bye.
	I don't think he was in Alaska at all.
	Do you?
	Oh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, good morning.
	Good morning.
	I'm glad I got through.
	Where are you?
	I'm Rod, and I'm in Santa Barbara, California.
	I'm trying to get somebody in Alaska, sir.
	Pardon?
	I'm trying to get somebody in Alaska.
	Have you been listening?
	Is this the Robert O'Dean?
	Oh, well, no, it's the Art Bell Show.
	Oh, okay.
	Robert O'Dean was my guest last hour.
	Okay, well, that's why I was trying to get through to you.
	I see.
	Well, he's been gone now for 45 minutes.
	Okay, well, can we talk about this for a minute?
	Um, no, not until I get Alaska.
	Thank you for calling.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Bill.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi, Bill.
	Are you in Alaska?
	No.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	First Time Caller Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Are you in Alaska?
	Yes, I am.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Fairbanks.
	Fairbanks.
	Very good.
	Exactly what I've been looking for, finally.
	Now tell me, what has it been like?
	Have you had an opportunity to observe the aurora in the last couple of weeks?
	Well, you know, I'm going to have to tell you that actually it's not getting real dark here now.
	That's true.
	You're coming to that time of year when when does the sun finally go down?
	Well, actually it's going down about after 11 and it's still light on the horizon right now actually.
	The sun comes up about 2.30.
	Yep.
	It's true.
	We're not getting much dark.
	It's true.
	What about, as a matter of fact, it never It really quite gets completely dark.
	It just sort of gets to dusk, I suppose, huh?
	Correct.
	At that dusk moment, though, you might be able to observe some aurora.
	Are you doing so?
	Well, you know, there's nothing out right now.
	I understand.
	I was more or less asking about the last couple of weeks.
	You know, several weeks ago, yes, we did have a display.
	Some displays.
	But within the last week or so, I haven't noticed anything.
	Interesting.
	Um, I guess you're really too far up.
	It's just too light.
	I think around, uh, what is the longest day for you?
	It's in June, isn't it?
	June, yeah.
	21st of June, that's right.
	That's what it is.
	Solstice.
	And by then, I guess, you don't get any dark at all, do you?
	No, not at all.
	The sun just dips right below the horizon and comes right back up again.
	Everybody runs out and plays baseball at midnight?
	Uh, canoe all night long, do whatever.
	My recollection of Alaska is that pretty much the thing to do during the winter is party.
	Is that about right?
	No, that's summertime.
	In the wintertime you sleep, because you party all summer.
	Alright, well listen, I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	Well, thank you.
	You take care.
	Fairbanks is a little far up.
	It may be that in Juneau, or perhaps in Anchorage, they've been able to see the aurora.
	I have not considered that.
	We're at the wrong time of year.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good evening.
	How are you doing?
	Okay.
	Pretty good.
	It's a pleasure to talk to you.
	I'm sorry, I'm a first-time caller.
	Yes, sir.
	I am actually experiencing some of the aurora.
	I'm a little bit further south in Alaska where I'm in Seward.
	Seward, Alaska?
	Yeah.
	Ah, there you would have an opportunity to see it.
	It's not getting quite so light all the time.
	I'm not subject to as much light as they are further north.
	And I'll tell you, it has been a little more impressive than usual.
	I'm not from Alaska, so I'm just astounded by the display to begin with.
	I'm originally from Southern California.
	Okay, well you're going to want to be On the lookout over the next two or three days because we've got some real zingers headed toward us.
	When's your cruise coming up north pretty soon?
	Yep, yep, yep.
	Toward the end of next week I'll be in Ketchikan.
	Do we have any opportunity to get a good sight at all?
	To get a what?
	To get a good view.
	I'm crossing my fingers.
	I'll be in just about the right area at just about the right time And it is indeed possible, particularly at sea, that we may get quite a display.
	I'm really looking forward to it.
	I wish you a lot of luck.
	And I want to thank you while I have you on the line, because I don't know if I'll ever get an opportunity to talk to you again.
	I've listened to you for probably about five years now, and you got me through a lot of sleepless nights when I was in law school.
	I really, I spend more time listening to your show than I did on my studies.
	Everything went okay, but it was really very enjoyable, and I continue to listen to you whenever I get an opportunity.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	Bye.
	All right.
	Lines are open for everybody now.
	I think I got what I wanted.
	I appreciate that.
	It's harder to do, obviously, with the size of the listening audience now.
	But I appreciate the effort on, you know, those of you, most of you, who did exert an effort to keep the lines clear.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	No, you know it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, this is San Francisco, and I was calling about the guest you had on earlier today.
	Robert O'Dean.
	That's correct.
	I was in the military, in the U.S.
	Navy, and I worked for IUSF.
	Which is Integrated Undersea Surveillance System.
	And we were in the Atlantic.
	Anyway, the main thing is I have a hard time believing the stories about these underwater vehicles.
	For those two years basically we monitored all the Atlantic and I worked in a quality assurance where I would review minute by minute all the data that we took in.
	So, it was just a little bit hard for me to believe, especially something that size, moving at the speed it was, not to be detected.
	Well, it's hard for everybody to believe, and what they said was that it did not move undetected, that it was detected.
	You're saying, though, that you never saw it or heard about it.
	Right.
	So, I mean, I don't know what years he was talking about, but at least for the two years that I was watching the Atlantic, if anything would have been moving, I would have been privy to that knowledge.
	There's about 1,500 people in the Navy that did the job that I do.
	Well, I appreciate the comment.
	Do you think then that it was baloney?
	That part I had a hard time believing.
	I'm a fairly new listener, about five days now.
	Five days, huh?
	Five days.
	I've had you on every night.
	Boy, you are a new listener.
	I am.
	But everything else, I mean, seemed pretty good.
	And the other naval caller that called in, I believe his story.
	It sounded, uh, it was either, he either deserves an Academy Award, or it was real.
	Right.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, York.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Chris from Nashville.
	Yes, Chris.
	I just wanted to say, I've called a few times about the Mars pictures, and I'm, you know, I think they're fake.
	I haven't heard anything else about it anywhere.
	You think the Mars photos are fake?
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, you hear about this, uh... Who do you think faked them?
	Richard Hoagland.
	Richard Hoagland faked them?
	Yeah.
	You really think so?
	I really think so.
	He was ridiculed nationally for, uh... You know, like in Newsweek, the article said he was, uh... It named him as a UFOlogist, and, uh... Richard has never talked about UFOs.
	Hey, this was in Newsweek.
	I didn't do it.
	Well, no, but I mean, I'm telling you that.
	Richard has never talked about UFOs.
	Well, did you see the Newsweek article about the faithful moors?
	No, I guess I didn't.
	I don't have it on me, but I believe it was... He was ridiculed for being a UFOlogist?
	Yeah, I was saying people like Richard Hoagland, a ufologist, who have used this as fuel for
	the UFO theory, blah, blah, blah, you know, say that NASA must have done something to
	the pictures.
	Well, they have certainly used it for fuel to suggest that there are artificial objects
	at Cydonian, but Richard has never been identified, as far as I know, as a ufologist.
	Well, then he should be ticked off.
	But, you know, like you hear about that explosion in space, you know, as soon as I heard you say it, the news was delivered.
	And there it was in the USA Today, it was in the Tennessean.
	Oh yes!
	And I was like, hey, you know, this...
	Because sometimes I hear things on your show and I've got them all the way looking for it and I can't find it.
	But there it was, national news, uh, explosion of space, but
	the stuff in Mars? Nah, I don't believe it anymore.
	I did for a while, but, you know, I can't find it nowhere, so
	I'm gonna have to say I just don't believe it no more.
	You can't find what nowhere no more?
	Pictures.
	Except, you know, I know I can go to the internet and look them up on your website, but besides that, they're nowhere to be found.
	And nobody's talking about it.
	That just really makes me mad.
	So you conclude, then, that it's fake?
	Yes, I do.
	And I'm sorry.
	Well, I'm sorry, too, because you're coming to a conclusion not based on facts, but based on the media that you just finished telling me is full of baloney.
	Well... Well, what?
	You're going to have to call Newsweek.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	I'm sorry, but your reasoning does not track.
	You contradicted yourself.
	You, on the one hand, admitted that the news media was full of crap, but on the other hand, used the reports of that news media to declare photographs, which you incidentally haven't seen yet, to be fake.
	I'm sorry, I find fault with that.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, it's Rich in Bakersfield.
	Yes, sir.
	And do you feel upset that the mainstream media doesn't pick up On your stories that you discuss on the show?
	No.
	No, it doesn't upset me at all.
	Or the facts that are confirmed?
	You know, that are said that nobody wants to actually delve into this stuff, like the last caller just said.
	Why don't the mainstream media pick up on this stuff and ask questions?
	Well, what would be your answer to that?
	Why do you think they're not picking up on it?
	They're afraid.
	Well, I rest my case, and I also rest my program, because it's over.
	We're out of time, so I'll tell you what.
	I'm going to give you the honors.
	Oh, this is a great honor.
	Okay, go ahead.
	All right.
	Good night, America, and good night, whoever else is listening.
	You mean them, right?
	That's right.
	From Art Bell and the world.
	Good night, sir.
	That's it, folks.
	We're out of time.

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