Ron Regehr, spy satellite designer, and Derrel Sims, ex-CIA investigator, discuss 316 "Fast Walker" UFO detections (1973–1992) and satellites resolving objects as small as 0.4 inches, yet NASA’s Mars "Face" images were dismissed despite superior Earth tech. They link UFOs to military sabotage—like the 1964 Atlas F ICBM shot down—and a 1952 D.C. radar incident where pilots faced career threats after reporting impossible flight patterns. A 1989 Soviet warning and NSA’s hidden 279 UFO documents suggest deep cover-ups, while crop circles and abductions hint at classified experiments or extraterrestrial activity, leaving verification and motives shrouded in secrecy. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is 20 a.m.
I'm more celebrated here.
Well, I would like to welcome the newcomer to WSPD WSPD in the Spirit of Florida.
Glad to have you on board.
1450 AM 15,000 big Cuban battling one.
Radio stations in Florida have an unusual thing to contend with, and that is the bearded one in Cuba.
And they don't exactly conform to Geneva Convention rules with regard to broadcast, and they do all kinds of things.
So our FCC responds by allowing many stations to run more power at night than they do during the day.
Sort of an answer to El Castro.
Battling White House over executive privilege, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr said today, the president must give way and turn over evidence unless national security is at stake.
The president isn't doing that yet.
And this could presumably escalate into some sort of very serious constitutional crisis as occurred with President Nixon.
We'll see.
The president today said technology was vital to the U.S. economic boom.
Computer technology has revolutionized every aspect of American industry.
Having said that, the Justice Department continues to go after Microsoft.
Very interestingly, he was one of the original Black Panthers.
Toward the end, though, he had denounced all of that and joined the Republican Party.
Astronomers have detected a small galaxy.
Check this out, folks.
12.3 billion light years from Earth.
The most distant object ever seen.
And now, Esther M. Hugh, a University of Hawaii astronomer, said we've already got some candidate objects that are even farther away.
We are now looking about 94% of the distance back to the Big Bang.
And you know how I love this subject?
94% of the way back to the Big Bang.
Now think about that a little bit.
When they finally get to 100%, what is it that you expect to lie just beyond the first moment of the Big Bang?
Boy, is that going to say a lot.
I mean, if they get out there and there's nothing more that can be identified, and we're almost there, and there's not one single item out there retrieving, returning any light, reflectivity whatsoever, then we can begin thinking, or I would begin thinking, that, yes, there was nothing, no time, no space, truly nothing.
And then there was something, as in, let there be light.
All right, the theoretical physicist can't even explain it.
They don't have a clue.
Nobody has a clue.
We don't know what happened before there was something.
But on the other hand, what if they get back to the first item in the Big Bang that reflects light and they determine they are there and then go beyond and find something?
Who knows what?
Something.
Then you've got to begin to conclude that our Big Bang was not the only one.
And things may go on endlessly.
Or there is a third possibility.
And that is that finally they get to the edge of look back time, the first item that got blown outward in the Big Bang.
And they have a big advance, and they manage to look back even further.
And they see familiar star systems.
In other words, they would in effect, it would be like looking with the telescope around the world, to the other side, and then past and back at yourself, if you follow me.
Meaning that we would then know that everything is in one grand circle.
Fascinating concept to contemplate, and we are getting close, so it's worth thinking about.
An eighth grader who took plastic bags filled with homemade napalm, that's a new one, homemade napalm, to school has been suspended for five days, according to the school principal.
the student who was not identified brought the incendiary jelly to school tuesday in order to give some to a friend A napalm in school.
he learned how to make the napalm on the internet So I guess there are you go into a lot of schools today and you'll see no knives, no guns.
Now they're going to have to say no napalm, no weapons of mass destruction.
Or maybe they could just simply show a little napalm container or a small nuclear device with a red line around it, a line through it, you know.
From the category of isn't it ironic, a couple of entries from the other side of the pond.
The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was, are you prepared, $80,000.
That's right.
The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez broke up, dumped, was $80,000.
That is one expensive seal.
At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild, the water, amid cheers and applause from onlookers.
One minute later, cameras caught them both being devoured by a killer whale.
So in other words, we nursed these poor, wretched, oil-covered things back to health, cleaned them up at a cost of at least $80,000, probably over $100,000 each, released them, the crowd applauded, free Willie, and then Willie and his buddy went down the dullage of a killer whale.
$200,000.
And then this one is priceless.
I'm telling you, priceless.
A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen, shaking frantically, with what looked like a wire running from his waist toward the electric kettle.
My God, the poor man, she thought, was being electrocuted, intending to jolt him away from the deadly current, killing her husband.
You see how you can laugh at other people's ill situations?
Even I can now laugh at my old super glue situation.
And then last, and perhaps best, a terrorist who didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb.
Yep, yep, yep, you guessed it.
It came back to the sender and the fool opened it and he blew his own face off.
He blew his own face off.
Now that's pretty dumb.
That's pretty dumb.
I mean, you wouldn't recognize your own package.
Or perhaps you packaged it so enticingly that yours was gone, you had forgotten it, and you received it.
Oh, what a nice-looking package.
Let's open this up.
Boom.
Maybe there is some sort of cosmic justice, I suppose, in the world.
Next hour, we're going to talk with Ronald.
I'm going to have to learn to say his last name.
Regier.
Ronald Regeer and Daryl Sims.
It's going to be a double treat.
Now, Ronald Regeer is a very interesting fellow.
He designed a lot of our spy satellites, and Ronald knows what a lot of our spy satellites have seen.
Ronald might even know whether we have designed spy satellites to look for objects that traverse our atmosphere that, according to the Air Force now, mind you, are certainly not a threat to our national security.
There is one more little ironic story here, and it is as follows.
Two animal rights protesters were protesting the cruelty of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn, Germany.
You know, standing there with their signs and protesting what was about to happen to these poor little piglets, suddenly, unexpectedly, the pigs, all 2,000 of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded, trampling the two advocates with the signs to death.
To death.
The pigs just ran right over them like they weren't even there.
But Jack has often said that our present Pope, whom I admire greatly, is part of a regime.
There are politics involved, as you probably agree, in the Vatican.
And okay, well, see, he says that I've heard him state on his program that this particular Pope that we have now is like the dying breed of the true Catholic faith.
And that the I wish I could document this and point you directly to the program.
And I don't think that Father Malachi Martin would disagree with that.
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Well, that there are going to be evil forces, quote unquote, coming into the Catholic realm that are going to perpetuate the theory that in the last days, quote unquote, once again, Satan is going to use demons in the guise of aliens, similar to what you were discussing last night.
Until we know what we really are dealing with, anything's possible, and that's one of the possibilities that they are evil spirits or good spirits or both.
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But you've had other folks say, hey, look, there's tangible physical evidence as opposed to the spiritual evidence.
I'll tell you, I'm an Art Bell fan.
I enjoy your show.
What bugs me the most, and I know you have other folks that want to talk, but here in Jackson, Michigan, our WKHM AM station is constantly interfered with by other more powerful stations.
And I have to try to run out to my truck and listen to you in the truck sometimes because I can't hear you on this radio in here.
And I'll tell you, I get into these conversations.
It's just fascinating to me.
My computer crashed today, so I think lightning took it out, so I can't get on the web and look at you.
We are going to now see if we can do this program or if the authorities that be are not going to allow us to do so.
First, Ronald Regeer, let me tell you a little bit about him.
While employed by Douglas Aircraft, Ron was responsible for detailing the electrical interface between the S-4B and the S-2 and S-1 stages of the Apollo moon rocket and for developing the requirements for the first U.S. space station, Skylab, while working closely with the astronauts, NASA headquarters, and Douglas designers.
Since that time, Ron has been an integral part of the team responsible for developing the specifications for our nation's spy satellites.
But not only the spy satellite itself, also the ground data processing software and interfaces with other elements of the program.
During this time, Ron was frequently called upon to assist government specialists in their evaluations of various highly classified programs.
Now, Darrell Sims.
Darrell Sims also has a military intelligence background.
Darrell brings to the table with him three years as a senior military police officer.
Darrell was a Korean National Police Officer as well as under the status of forces agreement while he was in Korea for a year.
Volunteer for our country in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War.
Taken out of the Army and quietly placed in the CIA for two years during his tour.
Darrell worked as a part of the military contingent bodyguard to Vice President Agnew when he came to Korea in the three flying Bordello, so-called, helicopters, as Darrell calls them.
He was escort and guard to Richard Helms, then director of CIA.
And Darrell has a top secret clearance.
Now, both of these gentlemen are going to spill their guts on the program tonight.
My phone, as you know, the last time I was on your program, there was a stoppage of a complete break-in on our phone service during the middle of your program.
And I thought, well, that's probably just one of those things.
And so today, after the announcement came that I was going to be on the program with Ron tonight, my phone, in fact, it still has the loudest static you've ever heard on it, and no one can get through to it.
And it's rather curious because this other one, the second phone line here is now having to be used.
And this is just really, really strange.
The phone company announced they would take care of everything, but they would only do it tomorrow.
You see, getting a busy signal on both numbers, I calculated the two of you were strategizing for tonight, talking to each other, not mindful of the time.
And I just figured I'd try you at the bottom of the hour.
I don't believe in that many coincidences, and this is somewhat suspicious, I must say.
So if we are interrupted tonight With the phone setup we've got right now, it will go beyond suspicion.
Now, do either one of you doubt that, of course, up on the website, you know, it's known you were coming on tonight.
Would they really do something like that and screw with us in that way?
One of the reasons that it would be, I think, probably difficult for whomever in the intelligence community to allow this to go on is because nothing's going to be said that's illegal or wrong.
In fact, it's been exposed quite well before by Ron and legally.
The problem is that you can take legal channels, as he will prove tonight, and actually show the existence of UFOs with the spy satellites.
Look, the rumor is that we have satellites, either in polar orbits or geosynchronous orbits of some sort, that can literally take photographs that would define something as closely as reading a license plate.
Let's just say if we have a constellation of three satellites in geosynchronous orbit, we could have a stereo picture of anywhere on the Earth's surface at any time.
We probably want a backup or two in case one of those would fail.
The NOAA satellite, the newest, latest, greatest that I think we've got up there at the moment in our constellation, is NOAA 14.
And NOAA 14, on the first day or two when it went up, sent back some of the most remarkable photographs I've ever seen.
For example, I was able to look down at the city of San Diego and actually resolve buildings.
Buildings, mind you.
Now, I went on the air and I raved about that.
This was like the first day they turned it on after they had launched it.
Within 24 hours, all of a sudden, believe me, that kind of resolution was gone, gone, and all we could see was the continental outline and the ocean and so forth and so on.
But no buildings, nothing resolved like that.
And I know damn well that they actually reduced the resolution.
I don't know how much you can and can't talk about.
I know something about the KH series of satellites that we have, the spy satellites.
And I know a very little.
But the bottom line is ufologists for a long, long time have been imagining that these satellites would be able to see these things traversing our atmosphere.
Now, we have very reliable reports of things flitting through our atmosphere at tremendous rates of speed, up to 24,000, 25,000 miles an hour.
And we have a precious little proof.
But they have been observed, and a lot of people have thought, well, you know, wouldn't a satellite see something like that occasionally?
The Soviet Union was really afraid of that, very much concerned about our spy satellites and other sensors detecting UFOs and mistaking them for a Soviet attack.
And that was a real threat, so much so that Pravda, let's see if I've got it here.
Let's see, yeah, Pravda in November 16, 1979, was concerned about this and says, what would have happened is through a coincidence of circumstances, the error, this is talking about where we went on to DEF CON 3 back in 1979, air been complicated by certain atmospheric or magnetic phenomena or the appearance of an unidentified flying object in the process of discovering error, and they went on to talk about that.
One, of course, is frequently presented with an explanation that certain photographs cannot be shown because it would reveal the capability of the satellites that took the photograph.
In other words, otherwise they might release something like that, even to the public, except that the enemy, whoever that is today, would then know what we can do.
I went to contact my guests, and I have two of them.
Ronald Regier, who is an expert on satellite spy satellites, helped design a lot of them.
And Darryl Sims, who was CIA Central Intelligence Agency.
You will hear how the program develops.
We were ostensibly here to talk about spy satellites and what they see regarding what are called fast walkers, things traversing our atmosphere at incredible speeds.
We know they exist.
They have been seen.
They have been documented.
But have they been seen by spy satellites?
Well, that was the fairly interesting question that we were going to explore at 11 o'clock.
But strangely, both of my guests' phones were dead.
D-E-A-D, dead.
They had assumed Russia's room temperature.
You think somebody doesn't want this program to happen tonight?
We just made one additional phone change during the last break, and we're going to try it again here in a moment.
In the itty-bitty, there was, at the precise time of the Iranian UFO, there was a sighting in the itty bitty, where we recorded the sighting.
So that was the first correlation I had of one of our spy satellites actually getting correlation on the ground of an event.
I could compare the two.
And so that was a definite hit.
And later on, I got, remember the big Colorado UFO where they reported as a forest fire and called the local sheriff and said, you got a forest fire over here between Durango and Pueblo, I believe it was.
It is such a terribly sensitive subject that I'm frankly surprised you can find ways to talk about it at all.
I mean, even if your sources are legitimately gathered through FOIA requests, whatever other sources you might have, since you worked and designed these satellites, They would be really concerned with your coming on a program like this.
When I was in the Central Intelligence Agency, I made the mistake of revealing some things about our security problems on a top secret installation.
The individual I related to looked at me.
He was white as a sheet when I related to him.
And then he looked at me and said, why in the world would you make that kind of a statement?
And I said, well, the tumbers on the lock of that particular building can be heard, and you can actually tell how to break into this thing just by listening to the timbers.
He says, have you ever done that?
And I said, no, I have not.
He said, well, how would you know that?
I said, well, you used to be a safe cracker before you got into company, didn't you?
And he looked at me for a long time and very red face, and finally he admitted he was.
But the next day, in a major meeting, the chief of station and the chief of security, this guy's boss, were standing there with about 30 other people.
And the chief of security stood up and said, if anybody ever gets caught near this certain building, and he looks at me and says, tampering with those locks or even, if I think, if I think you're near that building, I promise you 40 years in prison and no one will ever know where you're at.
I looked at the chief of station who liked me very well and had sent a number of my items up to Langley and noticed that he wasn't smiling at all.
I'm very glad that you guys were that way, and I can understand why you'd get fed up and quit.
While I enjoyed my stay in the Air Force, I found the way they did things was not particularly to my liking, and I was more independent, so I left.
I mean, it's kind of the same psychology, only you guys even had it worse.
Now, what I want to ask you about is the guys who stay, the guys who can digest all this and stay.
What does that mean we end up with in the CIA, in the spy satellite business, the people who can integrate into the kind of system we're just talking about right now?
What kind of quality of people end up being lifers?
The CIA is not out of business, never will be out of business, as long as people are paranoid that are in government and will fund it and as long as we pay taxes to support that mentality.
The best way I can confirm that independently and without any violation in any sense of the word concerning my clearance status, which is now secret.
It was top secret.
It's been administratively reduced to secret now.
The independent way to do that and the collaboration that Ron and I have come into is to take cases, the finest cases that I feel like I have, and try to establish those times, dates, and places with the exact findings that he has in his research, which is he's acquired quite legally.
And some of these are showing up with some rather remarkable...
We have visual sensors, infrared and ultraviolet, along with some that are in other areas of the spectrum.
And we send out a digital signal.
We do a little bit of processing onboard, and then we send out a digital signal and then match those data against what we call a time-intensity profile.
What that is, is let's assume for the moment that a match and a little flash bulb have the same amount of energy in them.
A flash bulb goes out and it releases its energy very, very quickly.
Whereas a match might have the same amount of energy, but it'll release it over a 30-second time span.
and so when we detect something the computers will attempt to match that time intensity profile with one that's stored in the database and then give us a best fit or a best match in other words like a submarine you're trying to So you're doing the same kind of matching work.
Back now to my guests, Ronald Regier and Daryl Sims.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
We were about to drop a number on them.
And the question was, how many of these fast walkers, so-called, during those years that you specified, and you can tell us what they are again, did our satellites image?
And that happened came close to it because in 1960, all the bombers at Travis were put on red alert and they were actually rolling down the runways after their base radars detected targets flying from the North Pole.
It provides crystal clear pictures of what we get.
I mean, really crystal clear.
You can look at the strips.
I put one of them up on my website when the first Mars pictures came back, the first so-called pictures of the face from the new spacecraft.
And they had this long, dark, indecipherable strip, which, in fact, if you dug deep enough, did have some information in it, but it was pathetic.
Totally pathetic.
And I screeched and yelled about it that night.
And I said, look, I know our technology is better than this.
transmission from mars i grant you it's a longer distance but it's all coming back with error correcting telemetry so the pictures ought to be mwah 100%.
Okay, imagine, if you would, a laser and a high-image photograph, and then the laser would be able to detect gray tones and then digitize that signal, and then you can get that digital signal back and reconstruct that back on Earth.
In other words, here we have a man familiar with satellites, designed them, and we've got Darrell Sims, who was ex-CIA and investigates implants, that sort of thing.
If you remember back in the early days, and maybe still going on, and I'm not privy to all of that, and maybe Daryl is, used to be a lot of UFO activity associated with sabotage.
And we had the Juno missile failure.
We had B-29s that were routed around.
We had all our space probes, early space probes crashed.
We had green fireballs.
We had nuclear warheads retargeted in Maelstrom two times.
Dr. Robert Jacobs, I believe his name is, was running a camera system on a mountain in Big Sur, tracking the polar launches of Atlas missiles out of Vandenberg Air Force Base.
It's the same camera, by the way, that tracks all the shuttle landings at Edwards Air Force Base.
So it's the same system.
In December, I'm not remembering the exact date, but December 1964, he was filming Atlas F launch.
During the course of the filming, and he just sets the camera, the camera's on automatic, he's not watching the film all the time, but the Atlas blew up.
Now this was in the 60s, and if you recall, it was not a bit uncommon for our missiles to blow up in the 60s.
That was almost a given for a while there with the early ones always falling over.
But anyway, he was called into Major Mansman's, Lawrence Mansman's office, and shown a film the film had taken.
And on this film, he saw disshaped objects flashing lights, light beams directed at the Atlas, and circling the Atlas missile.
The second or third time they circled the Atlas and fired the light beams at it, the Atlas disintegrated and exploded.
When he was asked what happened, he said, I think those are UFOs.
Now, at the termination of Project Blue Book, the Air Force said that not all of the things they investigated could be explained, but they ended it by suggesting that whatever UFOs are, they are not a threat to national security.
Now, initiating, shutting ICBMs down, the case of Russia initiating launch sequences, shooting down rockets in mid-flight, this strikes me as possibly in the realm of national security.
In 1952, a case of UFOs over the Capitol, a case that's in my book that I'm currently writing, I found the pilots that actually were involved in sent up by the United States.
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Now, when you say the Capitol, Daryl, you mean as in Washington, D.C. 1952, yes.
The UFOs were spotted over the Capitol and a series of these UFOs.
We had several pilots go up in Lockheed F-94B Starfire to intercept six unidentified UFO objects.
They were tracked from radar.
They were also seen by commercial pilots as well as, of course, the pilots themselves.
I've recently found the pilots and they've told their story.
Long story short about that is simply this.
After the two pilots did their job, then they landed at Langley Air Force Base, before it was the CIA headquarters, and I had their flight logs to verify the story.
They were both taken and placed in two different rooms.
Then they were questioned and asked the question, what did you see?
And then they relayed the story.
And then after that story was relayed, the interrogators looked at them and said, no, you didn't.
Actually, tonight is a very good example of what I was telling a caller a little bit earlier.
And he called me, said, you know, you know, Art, you ought to change your program.
The only thing you ought to have on are mainstream scientists, physicists, astronomers, that sort of thing.
And of course, I have those people on my program all the time.
But the truth is not necessarily contained in any one single place or within one strict paradigm, whether that's conventional science or unconventional science or secret science.
This day, my guests are Ronald Regier, who designed and actually worked with spy satellites, and Darrell Sims, who's ex-CIA and has been a UFO investigator for many years now.
So, in search of the truth, I think, requires many paths, and this is yet one more.
And Daryl, you were right in the middle of explaining about these objects that appeared over our capital in 1952, I believe, and we sent up a couple of fighters, you said, and the pilots were then debriefed and told they didn't see a damn thing.
But one of them now is out of the service, is a commercial pilot, and you said has told his story.
Basically, the gentleman, he flew the, and this is on July 26, 1952, and his individual flight record records that in him landing at Langley Air Base at the time.
And he basically relates that during this event where the UFOs were over the Capitol building, they came back, they landed, and were placed in two different rooms, debriefed, and asked the question, what basically did you see?
And they told him, then they got more specific, and finally they said, you know, as we approached, and they sped away and so on and all these other things.
And the amazing thing about it, of course, is after they finally questioned them at length and they gave their entire stories, they looked at them and said, no, you didn't.
You didn't see anything like that.
It didn't happen.
This event did not occur.
And then they threatened them.
And this gentleman, I have him on tape in a public meeting.
I asked him to come forward.
He would.
He did.
Came forward and gave a public statement.
And in the public statement, said they threatened me.
He said, I can't figure out why in the world somebody would send me up to do this sort of thing, to face something we don't know what it is, and then come back and then threaten me because I did what they told me to do.
He said, so I gave up my commission and became an airline pilot, and he just retired, and that's the reason he's coming forward because now he basically has nothing to lose.
Gentlemen, I'm going to ask a very sensitive question here.
Regarding these fast walkers that you talked about a while ago, Ronald, the 300 and some odd that have been recorded during that period of time you mentioned?
Obviously, well, maybe I shouldn't say obviously, but to the best of my knowledge, during those years, we had no such craft and probably don't today that would do those kinds of maneuvers and speeds through our atmosphere.
However, I have some documents that Dr. Lear and I received while we were down in Brazil that are secret documents from the Brazilian government.
It goes into Portuguese, and I have an English translation of it.
And soon I'll put these up on our website.
But basically, what we have here is Daniel Golden's signature, in case people don't know who that is.
That's the administrator of NASA.
And Wayne Christopher, Warren Christopher, of the United States.
And what they're doing is going into these are documents I've not been able to show Ron yet, but I will.
And I assure you, based on his experience, he will see far better than what I have seen here, which shows to me that their primary interest in these documents is controlling airspace in reference to UFOs.
And I find that rather interesting, especially after these agreements were signed after the so-called Vargina incident.
And in that particular case, one investigator down there in Brazil, Claudio Covo, and myself have come to an opinion that the possibility exists based on other testimony that that UFO might in fact have been shot.
It had a huge hole in the side of it, was flying around for apparently several hours before it actually landed, and that hence, in my opinion, possibly let off a number of the occupants in different locations, and that's the reason they were found in different locations.
Now, I know that a number of people that I know went down there and investigated this and talked to witnesses who saw the craft, who saw the beings, and there's quite a bit of eyewitness testimony with regard to this incident in Brazil.
I don't have the slightest idea, but since you have brought up the subject of NORAD, let me ask you about a rumor that has been flying around all over the place, and it may be absolutely false.
It's a good opportunity to knock it down.
Maybe you know something about it, but I am told that quite a large number of employees and their families quickly left NORAD, packed up their stuff, and left the country.
Interestingly enough, we have a treaty with Canada, and NORAD is jointly run by the United States and Canada, as such, that makes them exempt from all Freedom of Information Act requests.
Well, I've always felt that even though you can occasionally get a little jewel in a freedom of information request because somebody makes a mistake, generally speaking, if they don't want you to know something, an FOIA is not going to get it for you.
One of the good researchers, if I can just relay a little vignette along that line, Lee Graham, I don't know if you've heard of him or not, but he's probably written more Freedom of Information Act requests individually than any other 10 people you want to name.
And his wife signed for, while he was at work, a response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
It turned out that someone was on duty in the FOIA office and wasn't aware of the rules and regulations, and because of the wording of the request, supplied Lee with a classified document.
And part of that was overseas on the island of Oginawa during the Vietnam War before I got to go down myself.
And every day we would fly missions out of Kadena Air Force Base with B-52s, KC-135s and B-52s.
And they roundly denied that any of these missions were taking place.
I mean, absolute flat denials.
Every day, the local Okinawan television station, Channel 12, Ryukyuhoso, would go up to the gate.
You know, they could get as close as the gate.
And they would take these photographs of B-52s directly coming over them.
The camera was shaking, you know, as the B-52 would rise up, and then they just track it.
And then they would go to the base spokesman, and they would point out this video, and the base spokesman would stand there with a straight face and say, no B-52s fly from this base.
Just a little hint of, and this went on for a couple of years.
The following Monday, General Stanford called a press release.
It was the biggest press release since the end of World War II and attempted to explain to the press that what they had seen, our best interceptors that spent hours trying to intercept, had been tracked by our best radars at the time.
Tried to explain that these were either a temperature inversion, a meteor, or the planet Mars and Jupiter.
Now, both of you left your intelligence work respectively, and I spent a little bit of time earlier in the program asking you about then the kind of individual that becomes a lifer.
In other words, the one who does not make waves, integrates into the system, and doesn't want to know anything he shouldn't know, doesn't want to tell anything he shouldn't tell, and becomes the perfect little soldier.
And over a period of time, isn't that generally what we end up with?
And so should we be surprised that we have this kind of information wall?
In other words, these are people who don't make waves.
They're not going to come forward.
They're not going to say anything.
They're probably, for the most part, going to go to their graves with their information.
In other words, it was an intentional opportunity to run around to wherever there might be an incident and explain it away or dispense with evidence or whatever.
One other thing I found in this rather interesting situation, 1952, I found this individual here in Houston, rather shocked by this, but this individual actually was part of a roving anti-aircraft gunnery unit that was on the ground during the time the UFOs came over twice in Washington, D.C. They had anti-aircraft gunnery units.
Now, why in the world would they have roving anti-aircraft gunnery units on the nights the UFOs were over the Capitol?
And, I mean, what would the purpose of an anti-aircraft gunnery unit be?
Again, I was in the military, and the mentality worries me a little bit.
And now I'm coming back to the fact that we do appear to be shooting at these things.
Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but just casual thinking has brought to me The following.
And that is that if they are here, they are here from light years or dimensions or whatever we want to imagine away, meaning they have technology we cannot even begin to imagine.
Now, shooting at these people would seem to me to be a poorly constructed idea, generally one that you would expect from the military, but poorly constructed.
And if in fact they are real, it's liable to end up with something terrible happening to us.
Not just that, but shooting little laser lights at them and at these people, many of them injured, and some of them even died as a result.
It doesn't make any sense to me if these beings or craft or whatever are from wherever out there and they're supposed to be highly intelligent and everything else, why they would be doing this sort of thing to people.
And much of the torture part of this, this sort of scenario, usually comes in areas where people are least able to do anything about it.
I mean, one gentleman in a case I'm investigating in Brazil had his eyes surgically removed after his abduction.
And now this is the type of mentality that some of these other people that think these beings are here to save the planet and fix the ozone hole and a few other things, which they haven't done since they've been here.
I fail to understand why.
And you might say, well, that was only one instance and it was just a lab rap.
They just took his eyes.
But why for 30 years they've done this sort of thing to people?
And as I said, UFO Danger Zone is the name of the book.
Bob Press wrote it with a forward by Jacques Valley.
Well, it may be that there are different groups that are here, and many people say that, and some may be friendly, and some may not be so friendly.
But shooting at them just seems like a poorly constructed idea, unless they're really doing something to our national security that is really frightening.
and even then shooting at something with that much technology i mean you should think a lot before you do it Or there may be, as you say, different groups.
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All right, back now to my guests, Ronald Regeer and Darrell Sims.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
We were talking about a planetary defense, and you know, Ronald Reagan, I don't know how many times made reference to the possibility That we might as a planet need to defend ourselves.
And he made that reference, I suppose, in trying to justify Star Wars.
I don't know.
Either that or he knew something that we're still trying to find out ourselves.
And Whitley has told a story about an implant in his ear for years now.
And a surgeon went to take that implant out, applied the scalpel, opened up his ear, applied the scalpel, and the damn thing moved.
And he thought, hmm.
And so he went after it again.
And once again, the implant actually moved away from the scalpel.
Now, I've heard Whitley tell that story, but we had the surgeon on, the doctor who did the surgery, and that's exactly the way he told it this last Sunday.
I have two cases where this is alleged to occur, and both of them are under the skin, where the so-called object moves visibly underneath the skin, where you can actually see it.
I have no idea as to whether that is related to anything that Whitley may have experienced.
It bothers me as to this, not Whitley's story, the story that's related here, these two, as to whether this could be an implant or some kind of even microtechnology or whatever, because it would require some movement under the skin, would require sensation and obviously pain and other things and tissue damage and so on.
If that were the case, if you could see this moving, and I've just had a case sent to me on video with this, and I'm reviewing it now.
But there's a lot more testing that will be done before we can come to any kind of conclusion about it.
There's a possibility it could be something as simple as a muscle reaction, an inversion of muscle as a result of spasm or this sort of thing.
I'm a retired Air Force Master Sergeant with a top-secret SSIR clearance, and have always wondered, considering that reconnaissance satellites can even discern license place numbers, is it possible that there is potential satellite evidence of O.J. Simpson or his vehicle being Present at the scene of the crime.
That would have required using an elliptical orbit satellite, and those have to be either directed over a certain area beforehand, and that takes a lot of resources.
If it had been over the area and there had been scanning, they could have seen it.
Let me give you an example.
Remember when Terry Waite was held captive by several years ago?
We were able, using our surveillance satellites, to follow Terry Waite from hostage location to location.
There's something you can tell, Ron, that would be very useful at this point and answer this gentleman's question and also open some things up here for Art and his listeners.
And that is you could see Terry Waite not just because of sight, but you could also see him because of his heat signature.
And there are things like that, and a good example of this is the mere fact that you can tell information concerning, as a good example, the cattle disease that occurred in England.
There's a different heat signature whenever those cattle are sick.
Well, one time something was pointed out to me, and it was the moon.
And I was wondering, since we just sent another moonshot up there after all these years, right?
And they went on the dark side of the moon and they were visiting some, I don't know, structure on the other side of the moon, would it be possible that they were trying to, I don't know, get rid of it or something, just like they're not sending the pictures on Mars?
Well, it's interesting that NASA specialists, NASA's primary investigator, Farouk Elbez, makes statements commonly concerning the huge, large spires that have been spotted on the moon by our people, and some of them is five and six times the height of the Empire State Building.
Well, this seems rather interesting to me that a NASA, a current employee and one of the highest-ranking people in his entire field, would make public statements like this.
And his statement was that we probably are looking at the possibility of alien artifacts as we describe them.
He said, maybe we're not understanding what we're seeing.
He said, but these are not made from the materials that's made from the moon.
i'm not exactly the shawler the sd-51 image well the yeah it could be sds-48 or uh And it really struck me as funny because if they're doing that, then they're inadvertently risking the lives of a lot of otherwise innocent people.
And then another quick comment is I worked at Intel last year, and it's really scary because after the Arizona incidents, sightings, which I observed myself, inside the bathroom stalls and various parts of the Intel facility in the Fabs, there were posted and definite markers or actually signs that said procedures of how to deal with the UFO encounter or sighting.
All right, if you would please send us copies, would you?
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Okay, and just one more thing.
When the sightings were seen in Arizona, I saw it myself, and the stars in the background actually disappeared because this object was moving and it was not.
Well, I've got a whole group of things from our implant studies as well as my book is not going to come out for a year, but I have some resource material and other things, and it's all on voicemail for those that are interested.
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We have two experts in their respective fields, Ronald Regier, who designed spy satellites and knows a lot about them, and Darrell Sims, who's been investigating abductions, implants, along with Dr. Roger Lear for a long, long time now, and was himself CIA at one time.
And we'll get back to them and your questions in a moment.
We'll try and vote the best part of the hour to your questions.
And that's one of the ways we were able to find out where Terry Waite was.
I wanted to clarify something on it.
Terry Waite, I thought about it because at one of my lectures, one of the people thought that maybe everybody had an implant or something like that.
We have, and Daryl confirmed that we have a lot of ground assets, that's people.
And if we were able to, let's say, find Terry Waite and know where he was and at the same time have monitoring from space on that area, then let's say we got notification from our ground assets that three people left a particular building and Kerry Waite was in the center.
And we could track those three spots, if you will, as they went from one spot to another.
Then we could see who was where and what was left over.
So that's how we did that.
We tracked Kerry Waite that way.
It wasn't a matter of any special signal that anybody has.
It's a matter of being able to get corroborative evidence from the ground and then following that lead.
You made a mention earlier to something which I'm surprised you didn't bring up tonight, considering the guests that you had, about a caller that called in about entering Area 51 and wandering around and apparently being deserted.
And you were questioning to the movement of Area 51.
Right.
I've never been a real big space alien buff or anything like that.
But just from knowledge that I have around here, being in Utah, I have heard of, and in fact last week somebody mentioned to me in passing in an armory about the movement of Area 51.
Well, but I don't, okay, we'll ask about that right now.
It's a very good point.
I don't believe it, personally.
That is, that it has moved, because I live here in Perup, Nevada, and I'm going to tell this story again.
But I can assure you that I could get off the air this morning, wait about an hour, hour and a half, drive not very far, about two or three miles away, and go by a VFW parking lot here, and they will have buses sitting out there.
And on the side of the buses, three or four of them, it says, as plain as day, Area 51.
And slowly but surely, wives and relatives will come and cars will park and people will get in the buses and these buses will roll away to Area 51.
Now, why they put that on the side of the buses, I don't know, but I live here.
I know it's true.
I've been there and seen it.
So there really is an Area 51.
Do either one of you gentlemen know the current status of Area 51?
I do know, I think it was Popular Science had an article several months ago about new Area 51 near Green River, Utah.
And I happen to have a campground at Mobile Home Park in Moab, which is fairly close by.
And I drove out to that, and that's an old abandoned Nike base.
And there's nothing there.
They were planning on reinstituting that base and using it for testing of the anti-missile missile, firing a short-range, intermediate-range missile from that old Nike base down to White Sands, and then tracking it from space and also vectoring in Patriots.
But that proposal fell through.
So that, I think, was the start of the rumor.
However, there's a lot of activity just starting up around Wendover, and I think that has to do with the destruction of some of our stockpiles of biological chemical weapons.
All right, well, it is a I also remember that particular incident, and I also was working at a radio station when that occurred, and it scared the hell out of everybody, and they claimed that it was a simple mistake, that somebody, as she pointed out, had put in a wrong tape or whatever.
But there were, you know, I know a little bit about it, and there were code words that had to come down.
There were all kinds of things that had to go before the EBS was activated, EBS at that time.
And I wonder if there could have been more to that story than we knew.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Ronald Regeer and Daryl Sims and Art Bell, the black ops guy.
Yes.
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Yes, good morning.
I think I mentioned to you that I worked out in the Marshall Islands at the Kwajalein Missile Range in 1988.
That was pretty interesting.
Right.
I heard you mention fast computers.
I was with a contractor, and we built the new mission control center out there, and they installed, I think the last liquid-cooled cray XMP supercomputer, digital vac systems, and all that.
We basically, what we built was something like the Center in War Games, Mission Control, had an atomic clock and the supercomputers and all that kind of stuff.
Well, I probably wouldn't be around to talk about it right now.
I'd probably be in a cancer ward somewhere.
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Yeah, I'll tell you, we had Russian trawlers that hung around, and legend goes that the Russian trawler got too close to the island, so they aimed this 150-foot dish at it and cranked it up.
Well, okay, that really does bring up a good question.
Gentlemen, I guess, Ron, mainly for you, all of these photographs and all of this evidence that they must have, any idea where it might be, how we might ever get to it or get it pried open?
What their claim is that revealing these data would show capabilities of some of our intelligence gathering, our signals, intelligence gathering capabilities.
There was a cause internet item the other night about a UFO tracked by the Royal Air Force RAF traveling across the Atlantic in our direction, by the way, traveling at first at 17,000 miles per hour.
It claimed two F-16s went up and tried to give chase.
It accelerated to 24,000 miles per hour and must have deflated the egos of the two F-16 jockeys severely.
But that is, and they claim they've got records of it.
Some of them have the earmarks of an inter-squadron hoax.
You know, from the standpoint of increased complexity, they've got the capability of the aircraft to fly at very high altitudes.
And it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were actually caused by beam microwaves that would go down because the characteristics of some of the plants is the same as you get with microwaves.
Wildguard Line, you're on the air with Ronald Regier, Daryl Sims, and Art Bella.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
Art, two things.
First of all, it's absolutely irrational for anybody to think that you're a blackout because before you hit the airways years back, you know better than I that the American press and media never covered anything on this.
It was meant to be kept from the public.
Why would the government put you on the air to bring all this information?
The same answer the people who accuse me would give, and that is, well, I'm here for a very specific purpose to sort of deliver you slow release aspirin on the subject until finally you are all prepared for the big news.
I mean, that's what they would say, believe me.
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Yeah, but I don't agree with it.
One other thing.
One of you guys said earlier that there had been reports of some aliens firing upon others.
Back around 1974, 75 in the summer, I was at a party.
It's important to say none of this group drinks at all.
And we were breaking up about 3.30 in the morning.
There's a golf course running east to west.
It's about a mile in length.
And as we were leaving, we were startled and went into the golf course and just the length of the golf course, no further east or west than that, there were curtains of light from the ground up to the sky, the whitest white that I had ever seen.
Didn't look solid, and gigantic streams of light going up and down.
We were all frightened.
In fact, we were afraid to go home.
Finally, we went back into the house.
And with no other way of looking further for this, I did the only thing that I could.
I consulted the I Ching just to see if it would say anything.
And it was very strange.
The answer said that what we bore witness to was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of light.
Well, there's a case I investigated just a few weeks ago out in Southern California where a lady and her husband, and this is really strange, and apparently the dog all got picked up and taken somewhere.
The dog comes back pregnant and has, I think it's five pups, and four of them all look totally different.
And anyway, she describes a rather strange curtain-like light that he mentioned.
She said it was like it was a tear in the sky.
And it was there for a while, and then it was gone.
And she said, then something hit me, and I fell over.
She said, I think it's lightning.
And she said, but then I went back to the, my husband and I and the dog all go back and get into the little mobile home and sleep till 10 o'clock the next morning in the desert out there.
Well, the problem I have, and this is give you an idea of the complexity of my research, is that you've seen the science fiction movies where they have the big reel-to-reel tape recorders that stand in six-foot-tall consoles.
And you figure out how many tapes we have in each day, and each one of those tapes resulting in a seven and a half to eight inch stack of printout.
Then you can get an idea of when we go back to reconstruct, if we didn't get a detection at the time, what we have to wade through, and that's waded through manually by analysts.
So it's a big test.
So we have to have within maybe 10 minutes, if it's a real phenomenal event, to be able to go backtrack later on.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Ronald Bregeer, Darrell Sims, and Art Bell.
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Yes, hello, Art.
Hi.
I'd like to ask your guests tonight if our spy satellites are that sophisticated, then why did it take them a couple of months to find a downed aircraft a few months back?
And if they have any comment on Stephen Greer's comment last night about the secret government or MJ-12's all right, we'll try and cover all of that if we can.
If the lower Earth orbiter isn't there, it's not going to see it.
The geosynchronous orbit, it may not have had the signature.
There's a lot of air traffic, and we just don't look at airplanes.
They aren't targets of, events are targets of interest.
So there's no reason we would have looked at it.
After the fact, unless they could come up with some pretty good times, but there was no reason at that time to keep those tapes.
So until we knew there was a problem, we wouldn't have been keeping the tapes, especially since it was Continental United States, which doesn't pose a threat at all to most of us.
I'm going to break my code of silence and confess all.
If this thing had two 500-pound bombs and was armed to the teeth and heading somewhere, and in my opinion, was on a direct course to somewhere, and probably, just in my thinking, it was well watched and people did know where it was.
And I don't know that your particular group had any knowledge of that.
Probably didn't.
But somebody did.
And somebody was loose flying around with these things.
This is an intelligence problem, is what I'm saying.
They knew all along, and this was not to be reported.
And the question where that craft went down, if anyone out there in the audience will watch and look at that situation carefully and where it landed and why and the location, everything, you'll come up with a story that will, I assure you, be equal to something that the intelligence community has.
The truth of these stories, this does not need to be left alone.
There was some very important reason that pilot did what he did and went to the place he went.
And if you'll look at that situation carefully, you'll find that there's a lot of knowledge there.
Some of the finest minds, believe it or not, don't work for the United States government.
Some of the finest people out there are listening to your program, and they can themselves, with the same data, the same information, have access to all kinds of things and can come up with some pretty brilliant ideas.
You don't have to work for the government and have a GS rating to be able to think.
And a lot of these people can if they just have the data or know where to go get it.