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May 1, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Spy Satellites - Ron Regehr - Derrel Sims
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Welcome to Arkbell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 1998.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be across all these many prolific time zones.
Stretching from the Hawaiian and Tahitian island chains in the West, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to Santa Country at the Pole, And, worldwide, on the old internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell.
Great to be here!
Well, I would like to welcome a newcomer.
WSBD.
That's WSBD, and it's Sarasota, Florida.
Glad to have you on board.
1450 AM.
15,000 big Cuban battling watts.
Radio stations in Florida.
have an unusual thing to contend with and that is the bearded one in Cuba and they don't exactly conform to Geneva Convention rules with regard to broadcast and they do all kinds of things so our FCC responds by allowing many stations to run more power at night than they do during the day sort of an answer to El Castro.
A battling White House over executive privilege, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr said today, the President must give way and turn over evidence unless national security is at stake.
The President isn't doing that yet.
And this could presumably escalate into some sort of A very serious constitutional crisis as occurred with President Nixon.
We'll see.
The President today said technology was vital to the U.S.
economic boom.
Computer technology has revolutionized every aspect of American industry.
Having said that, the Justice Department continues to go after Microsoft.
Interesting.
Eldridge Cleaver.
Remember his name?
Former Black Panther leader?
Dead at the age of 62, no cause given.
Very interestingly, he was one of the original Black Panthers.
Toward the end, though, he had denounced all of that and joined the Republican Party.
Astronomers have detected a small galaxy.
Check this out, folks.
1.3 billion light years from Earth.
The most distant object ever seen.
And now, Esther M. Hu, a University of Hawaii astronomer, said we've already got some candidate objects that are even farther away.
We are now looking about 94% of the distance back to the Big Bang.
And you know how I love this subject.
94% of the way back to the Big Bang.
Now think about that a little bit.
When they finally get to 100%, what is it that you expect to lie just beyond the first moment of the Big Bang?
Boy, is that going to say a lot.
I mean, if they get out there and there's nothing more that can be identified, and we're almost there.
and there's not one single item out there retrieving or returning any any light reflectivity whatsoever then we can begin thinking or I would begin thinking that yes there was nothing no time no space truly nothing and then there was something as in let there be light alright the Theoretical physicists can't even explain it.
They don't have a clue.
Nobody has a clue.
We don't know what happened before there was something.
But on the other hand, what if they get back to the first item in the Big Bang that reflects light and they determine they are there and then go beyond and find something?
Who knows why?
Then you've got to begin to conclude that our Big Bang was not the only one and things may go on endlessly or there is a third possibility and that is that finally they get to the edge of look back time the first item that got blown outward in the Big Bang and they have a big advance and they manage to look back even further And they see familiar star systems.
In other words, they would in effect, it would be like looking with a telescope around the world to the other side and then past and back at yourself, if you follow me.
Meaning that we would then know that everything is in one grand circle.
Fascinating concept to contemplate, and we are getting close, so it's worth thinking about.
An eighth grader who took plastic bags filled with homemade napalm, that's a new one, homemade napalm, to school has been suspended for five days, according to the school principal.
The student who was not identified brought the incendiary jelly to school Tuesday in order to give some to a friend.
A napalm in school.
Okay.
Apparently, he learned how to make the napalm on the internet.
So I guess there are... you go to a lot of schools today and you'll see no knives, no
guns.
and we'll see you in a few minutes.
Now they're gonna have to say no napalm.
No weapons of mass destruction.
Or maybe they could just simply show a little napalm container or a small nuclear device with a red line around it and a line through it, you know?
From the category of, isn't it ironic?
A couple of entries from the other side of the pond.
The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was, are you prepared, $80,000.
That's right.
The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez broke up, dumped, was $80,000.
That is one expensive seal.
At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild, uh, the water.
Amid cheers and applause from onlookers, one minute later, the cameras caught them both being devoured by a killer whale.
So in other words, we nursed these Pour wretched oil-covered things back to health.
Clean them up at a cost of at least $80,000, probably over $100,000 each.
Release them.
The crowd applauded.
Free Willy!
And then Willie and his buddy went down the gullet of a killer whale.
$200,000.
And then this one is priceless.
I'm telling you, priceless.
A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen.
Shaking, frantically, with what looked like a wire running from his waist toward the electric kettle.
My God, the poor man she thought was being electrocuted, intending to jolt him away from the deadly current killing her husband.
Remember, he was shaking.
She took a gigantic plank of wood and gave him a couple of good whacks.
Boom!
Boom!
Breaking his arm in two places.
A shame, considering that he had merely been listening to his Walkman and bopping to a
tune that she couldn't hear.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
You see how you can laugh at other people's ill situations?
Uh, even I can now laugh at my old super glue situation.
And then last, and, uh, perhaps best, a terrorist who didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb.
Yup, yup, yup, you guessed it.
It came back to the sender and the fool opened it and, um, He blew his own face off.
He blew his own face off.
Now, that's pretty dumb.
That's pretty dumb.
I mean, you wouldn't recognize your own package, or perhaps you packaged it so enticingly that you, you know, yours was gone, you'd forgotten it, and you received it.
Oh, what a nice looking package.
Let's open this up.
Boom.
Maybe there is some sort of cosmic justice, I suppose, in the world.
Next hour, we're going to talk with Ronald... I'm going to have to learn to say his last name.
Regeer.
Ronald Regeer and Daryl Sims.
It's going to be a double treat.
Now, Ronald Regeer is a very interesting fellow.
He designed A lot of our spy satellites, and Ronald knows what a lot of our spy satellites have seen.
Ronald might even know whether we have designed spy satellites to look for objects that traverse our atmosphere that, according to the Air Force now, mind you, are certainly not a threat to our national security.
At least not a public one.
Ah well.
Open lines in a moment.
There is one more little ironic story here and it is as follows.
Two animal rights protesters were protesting the cruelty of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn Germany.
You know, standing there with their signs and protesting what was about to happen to these poor little piglets, suddenly, unexpectedly, the pigs, all 2,000 of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded, trampling the two advocates with the signs to death.
To death.
The pigs just ran right over them like they weren't even there.
And their signs... Signs were crushed.
Splintered.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello!
Yeah, hi there!
Hi there!
How are you, Art?
I'm fine.
Turn your radio off.
I'm gonna turn it down right now, okay?
Good.
Yes, do that.
Now he turned it up first.
Boy, Art, am I glad that you're here.
You know, I want to tell you something, sir.
Alright.
I've been listening to you for about a year now.
Uh-huh.
And I want to say that I enjoy your show so much.
Well, thank you.
You don't find that you're slipping into slow madness?
Well, I sent you some email and I questioned how you could possibly go day-to-day and maintain your sanity with what's presented to you.
Well, I'm not sure about that.
In fact, you have to consider the possibility Well, I think you have, because you really seem cognizant every time.
You're so knowledgeable when people confront you with these various topics that you present on your program.
Something I did want to say, I am a Christian, and I speak not for the entire Christian realm, however, I think there's plenty of room for someone such as yourself, because you are a truth seeker.
And my wife, she questions whether I'm going to be saved now, because You know, I come home and I talk to her.
I listen to you all night at work.
I come home and talk to her and tell her about the things I've heard on your show.
Would a God that you and I understand punish us for seeking, for thinking, for examining, for reaching, for trying to figure things out?
Would a God punish?
I really don't think so.
I don't either.
You know, one point I do want to bring to you and question your views are.
Are you familiar with a gentleman named Jack Van Empey?
Yes.
Okay, Jack at times has professed his love for the Catholic faith, and I don't want to single him out, but you're going to have Father Malachi on.
I am Monday, yeah.
Yes, and I'm looking forward to that.
But Jack has often said that our present Pope, whom I admire greatly, is part of a regime.
There are politics involved, as you probably agree, in the Vatican.
And... Oh, yes.
Okay, well, see, he says that... I've heard him state on his program that this particular pope that we have now is like the... he's dying... the dying breed of the true Catholic faith, and that the... I wish I could document this and point you directly to the program.
Well, that may be so, and I don't think that Father Malachi Martin would disagree with that.
Well, that there are going to be evil forces, quote-unquote, coming into the Catholic realm that are going to perpetuate the theory that In the last days, quote-unquote, once again, Satan is going to use demons in the guise of aliens, similar to what you were discussing last night.
It's possible!
Until we know what we really are dealing with, anything's possible, and that's one of the possibilities, that they are evil spirits, or good spirits, or both!
But you've had other folks say, There's tangible physical evidence as opposed to the spiritual evidence.
I'll tell you, I'm an Art Bell fan.
I enjoy your show.
What bugs me the most, and I know you have other folks that want to talk, but here in Jackson, Michigan, our WKHM-AM station is constantly interfered with by other more powerful stations.
And I'm having, I have to try to, I'm going out to my truck and listen to you in the truck sometimes, because I can't hear you on this radio in here.
And I'll tell you, I get into these conversations, it's just fascinating to me.
I've got my computer crashed today, so I think lightning took it out, so I can't get on the web.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
But aren't you just hanging in there, sir?
It's extremely sad.
When a computer dies, it's like losing a member of the family.
Sometimes it's even more serious than that.
Oh yeah, it's terrible, because I just bought it in February.
It's a beautiful 266 Pentium, and I'm telling you... Well, what happened?
What are the symptoms?
All it does is the light blinks, the keyboard won't show me any responses, I can't get anything on the monitor.
I'm calling tech support in the morning.
See, I had to come to work and I couldn't play with it, but I'm not that savvy when it comes to that, so... Sounds...
I've got two blinking lights down on the tower.
That's all it's doing.
That's very bad.
All right, sir.
Thanks very much for taking my call.
Okay.
And I hope to get a hold of you another time.
All right.
You take care.
Yeah, that's very sad.
Well, of course, I just went through that, as you well know.
It's like a loss of a member of your family, and depending on the computer, sometimes even more serious.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 1998.
The Coast to Coast AM concert was held at the San Francisco International Airport on May 1st, 1998.
The concert was held at the San Francisco International Airport on May 1st, 1998.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 1998.
Oh, could they be messing with me again?
Yes?
I now have my guests, but you know what?
We had to go to alternate phone numbers because something is wrong with both of my guests' telephones.
Now, what are we going to discuss?
We're going to discuss spy satellites.
We have a man who designed them, Ronald McGeer, with us.
That is, if the phone lines hold up.
And with him, Daryl Sims, at the forefront of implant and abduction research.
And I'm telling you, I started calling my guests about 10 minutes before the hour.
Busy signals.
I finally concluded these two fellows were talking to each other and not mindful of the time.
And so I went back into open lines again, kept trying to reach them.
Even now, it was very difficult.
We finally got through using alternate numbers.
One had to call the other and say, look, my phone's out dead.
Phone company's going to have to come fix it tomorrow.
So I'm at an alternate number, and he had to get the message.
It was a mess.
So maybe somebody is not all that pleased with tonight's topic.
Too bad, huh?
we'll try and do it anyway all right uh... we're going to now see if we can do this
program or if the authorities that be are not going to allow us to do so
First, Ronald Regeer.
Let me tell you a little bit about him.
While employed by Douglas Aircraft, Ron was responsible for detailing the electrical interface between the S-IVB and the S-II and S-I stages of the Apollo Moon rocket.
And for developing the requirements for the first U.S.
space station, Skylab.
While working closely with the astronauts, NASA headquarters, and Douglas designers.
Since that time, Ron has been an integral part of the team responsible for developing the specifications for our nation's spy satellites.
But not only the spy satellite itself, also the ground data processing software and interfaces with other elements of the program.
During this time, Ron was frequently called upon to assist government specialists in their evaluations of various highly classified programs.
Now, Daryl Sims.
Darryl Sims also has a military intelligence background.
Darryl brings to the table with him three years as a Senior Military Police Officer.
Darryl was a Korean National Police Officer as well as under the status of Forces Agreement while he was in Korea for a year.
Volunteer for our country in the U.S.
Army during the Vietnam War.
Taken out of the Army and quietly placed in the CIA for two years during his tour.
Daryl worked as a part of the military contingent bodyguard to Vice President Agnew when he came to Korea in the three flying bordello, so-called, helicopters, as Daryl calls them.
He was escort and guard to Richard Helms, then director of CIA.
And Daryl has a top secret clearance.
Now, both of these gentlemen Are going to spill their guts on the program tonight.
Right guys?
Sounds good to me.
Now, am I lying or am I telling the truth when I say that Both of your telephones had problems, sudden problems.
Ron, why don't we start with you?
Yeah, my telephone was, I've had it now for three years, and this is the first time ever it was out.
And I wouldn't have known it was out unless I was getting frustrated.
I thought, gee, I would not run a radio program this way.
I'd call and see if things were going okay.
Yes, and so I was doing desperately.
I picked up the line, it was dead on my end.
Dead on your end?
Dead on my end.
Dead on your end.
That's when I sent you the fax.
There's something going on here.
My phone, as you know, last time I was on your program, there was a complete break-in on our phone service during the middle of your program.
I thought, well, that's probably just one of those things.
So today, after the announcement came that I was going to be on the program with Ron tonight, Uh, my phone, in fact, it still has the loudest static you've ever heard on it and no one can get through to it.
And it's rather curious because this other one, the second phone line here, is now having to be used.
This is just really, really strange.
The phone company announced they would take care of everything, but they would only do it tomorrow.
You see, getting a busy signal on both numbers, I calculated the two of you were strategizing for tonight, talking to each other, not mindful of the time, and I just figured I'd try you at the bottom of the hour.
I don't believe in that many coincidences, and this is somewhat suspicious, I must say.
If we are interrupted tonight with the phone setup we've got right now, it will go beyond suspicion.
Now, do either one of you doubt that, of course, up on the website it's known you were coming on tonight, would they really do something like that and screw with us in that way?
I believe they would.
I don't know of any reason why they'd want us to talk about this.
One of the reasons that it would be, I think, probably difficult for whomever in the intelligence community to allow this to go on is because nothing can be said that's illegal or wrong.
In fact, it's been exposed quite well before by Ron, and legally.
The problem is that you can take legal channels, as he will prove tonight, And actually show the existence of UFOs with the spy satellites.
This type of program can actually occur.
I am, of course, very, very curious about spy satellites in general.
Ron, your phone is not too great on that end.
It's a little bit what I would call mushy.
Okay, is this better?
That's better.
What did you do?
I took the mouthpiece off and put it back on.
Okay, yeah, it's better.
Definitely better.
Good.
The rumor is that we have satellites, either in polar orbits or geosynchronous orbits of some sort, that can literally take photographs that would define something as closely as reading a license plate.
That is the popular myth.
Is it true?
Yes.
I knew it!
It's true about the Okay, yeah, they would be, what, 22,300 miles or something up there?
That's correct.
But the polar orbiters, of course, are much lower orbits, and they really can get that kind of resolution, huh?
Yeah.
So let me define some of the terms here so that the listeners will really know what we're talking about.
Okay.
And if that's okay with you, resolution is a term used to describe the quality of the image that we can get.
And it would be defined as the minimum distance between any two objects that we can see.
Right.
And the smaller that distance, the higher the resolution.
In 1978, intelligence forces defined five degrees of resolution.
The first would be detection.
That is, can you locate a target?
Can you see something?
The second one would be general identification.
That's when you determine the particular type of a target.
An airplane versus a boat.
Right.
Then type three would be precise identification.
That's discrimination within a target type.
Then the fourth would be a description.
Can you describe what it is?
Size, dimensions, configuration, layout, components, things like that.
And the fifth being the one that really concerns us.
That's technical intelligence.
That's to determine specific characteristics and performance capabilities of your targets.
Back in 1978, we didn't have the degree of sophistication of sensors that we do now.
Yet, we were talking, for a technical intelligence, down to four-tenths of an inch.
Excuse me, four-tenths of an inch.
Four-tenths of an inch.
Less than a half an inch.
That's correct.
Based on that ability then, What would you estimate we have now?
I would say we've probably bettered that by an order of magnitude.
The problem we get into is we can't always do that obviously.
This is a photographic image and then we have Depends on weather conditions, atmospheric conditions.
You have a lot.
I don't know about all your listeners, but driven out across the desert, you can see the shimmer above the roadway.
Absolutely.
Yeah, those are air turbules.
Right.
And they're sort of the same thing as the layers that we get up in the sky that block the radar and things like that.
You bet.
And those wreak havoc with our sensors.
They just really tear them up.
The other thing is our viewing angle.
Everybody's looked at a sunrise or a sunset and marveled at how beautiful that is.
Yes.
But you're looking through about 25 miles of atmosphere and that's why the sun doesn't burn your eyes.
That's right.
If you look at the same sun at high noon, you can really hurt yourself.
Severe retinal damage possible.
You're going through a thin atmosphere.
Yes.
The same thing is true of these satellites.
We're looking straight down.
Excellent, excellent vision.
As we get further and further out, We get signals called attenuated or soaked up, if you will, by the atmosphere.
So we lose a lot of it there.
How many spy satellites do you think we have in orbit of one sort or another?
The number's classified.
Let's just say if we have a constellation of three satellites in geosynchronous orbit, We could have a stereo picture of anywhere on the Earth's surface at any time.
And we'd probably want a backup or two in case one of those were to fail.
Yes, oh yes.
And then we go into the low Earth orbiters, or the elliptical orbit satellites.
There must be a lot of those.
Yeah, there's quite a few of those.
And they're short-lived.
See, the geosynchronous orbit satellites, they're a pineapple.
They'll last for, oh maybe, Many years before they run out of fuel.
Oh sure, maybe a decade.
And you're right, the lower ones have shorter lives, but they're still pretty good.
And I'm going now by the NOAA satellites.
I take those images down directly from satellite every day.
And they last quite a number of years, but they've got to be replaced every now and then.
Right.
And I've got now where the shuttle can go up and replace the consumable.
propellants that they use for attitude control.
That's their biggest problem right now.
Let me tell you a little interesting story.
Maybe you can enlighten me.
The NOAA satellite, the newest, latest, greatest that I think we've got up there at the moment in our constellation is NOAA 14.
And NOAA 14, on the first day or two when it went up, sent back some of the most remarkable photographs I've ever seen.
For example, I was able to look down at the city of San Diego and actually resolve buildings.
Buildings, mind you!
Now, I went on the air and I raved about that.
This was like the first day they turned it on after they had launched it.
Within 24 hours, all of a sudden, believe me, that kind of resolution was gone, gone, and all we could see was The continental outline and the ocean and so forth and so on, but no buildings, nothing resolved like that, and I know damn well that they actually reduced the resolution.
Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
It's difficult to do.
It's easier to do when you've got the signal coming down to a ground station.
But it's not something that's impossible to do.
You change the thresholds of the sensors.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And so it's capable of a lot more resolution than it's giving now for the purpose of weather forecasting.
Of course, you don't need to see buildings.
Correct.
But I found it interesting that before they got it, in quotes, adjusted, I could see buildings.
Yeah, they've got some remarkable imaging now.
It's fantastic.
Yes.
It's really fun.
If you access the net, you can see a lot of the early, around the Korean Missile Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis.
You can see a lot of those images now.
And some of those are just spectacular.
All right.
Let's get down to the nuts and bolts.
I don't know how much you can and can't talk about.
I know something about the KH series of satellites that we have, the spy satellites.
And I know very little, but the bottom line is, ufologists for a long, long time have been imagining that these satellites would be able to see these things traversing our atmosphere.
Now, we have very reliable reports of things flitting through our atmosphere at tremendous rates of speed, up to 24-25,000 miles an hour, and We have a precious little proof, but they've been observed, and a lot of people thought, well, you know, wouldn't a satellite see something like that occasionally?
And the answer is yes.
The ufologists aren't the only ones.
The Soviet Union was really afraid of that, very much concerned about our spy satellites and other sensors detecting UFOs and mistaking them for a Soviet attack.
And that was a real threat, so much so that Pravda, let's see if I've got it here.
Let's see, yeah, Pravda, in November 16th, 1979, was concerned about this and said, what would have happened if through a coincidence of circumstances the error, this is talking about where we went on to DEFCON 3 back in 1979, Interesting.
have been complicated by certain atmospheric or magnetic phenomena or
the appearance of an unidentified flying object in the process of discovering
error and they went on to talk about that so the soviet union
was afraid of that interesting
one of course is frequently presented uh... with an explanation that
certain photographs cannot be shown uh... because it would reveal the capability of the
satellites the photograph
In other words, otherwise they might release something like that, even to the public, except that the enemy, whoever that is today, would then know what we can do.
Is that right?
Yes, that's correct.
That's one of the big problems we have.
As Gerald alluded to at the top of the show, everything I've got, I've gotten from public sources.
Freedom of Information Act requests, magazine articles, different publications, and it helps to know where to look.
Yeah, but see, that's how the KGB does their work, too.
Sure.
We are going to continue in a moment with my two guests, the phone company allowing us, and we are going to continue to talk about spy satellites and what they see.
Ronald Regeer is one guest, and Daryl Sims Is my other guest.
I think you will find this a very instructive night.
And before it's over, we'll give away all kinds of Department of Defense secrets.
And my guests will be in jail.
Just kidding.
I guess I'd be too, wouldn't I?
So we'll try and sort of walk the line.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 1998.
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Once again, here I am.
What an interesting, interesting night.
I went to contact my guests, and I have two of them.
Ronald Revere, who is an expert on satellites, spy satellites, helped design a lot of them.
And Daryl Sims, who was CIA, Central Intelligence Agency.
You will hear how the program develops.
We were ostensibly here to talk about spy satellites and what they see regarding what are called fast walkers.
Things traversing our atmosphere at incredible speeds.
We know they exist.
They have been seen.
They have been documented.
But have they been seen by spy satellites?
Well, that was the fairly interesting question that we were going to explore at 11 o'clock.
Strangely, both of my guests' phones were dead.
D-E-A-D.
Dead.
They had assumed Russia's room temperature.
You think somebody doesn't want this program to happen tonight?
We just made one additional phone change during the last break and we're going to try it again here in a moment.
Back to Ronald Regeer and Daryl Sims.
Back to Ronald Regeer and Daryl Sims.
Gentlemen, are you here?
Yes, sir.
We're here.
All right.
Wonderful.
Maybe we can get something done here.
All right.
Subject, spy satellites.
Question, do they see UFOs, objects that traverse our atmosphere at tremendous rates of speed, or even objects that are in low Earth orbit?
What do we see?
Ronald, what can you tell us?
We've seen quite a few things, as a matter of fact.
One of the first sightings I investigated was, I attempted to give correlation between the satellite data and the Iranian UFO event.
That was back in 1976.
Wait a minute.
What Iranian UFO?
Back in 1976, Iran spotted a large UFO.
What Iranian UFO?
Back in 1976, around Tehran, they spotted a large UFO.
This UFO was...
They scrambled Iranian F-4s, Iranian Air Force scrambled F-4s to close in on the object.
It was sighted from the ground.
Right.
It was... the pilots, when they got close enough, they were able to lock on with it, with their AIM-9 missiles.
Now, an AIM-9 is an infrared missile.
And so, that triggered me to think, well, if that AIM-9 can detect it, then that's a low-intensity target.
We could probably see it with our spy satellites.
So I did some calculations, and sure enough, with that type of a signal, we could detect that.
So then I started trying to find out just precisely what we had at the time that could see it.
And so several Freedom of Information Act requests later, I got what is called An individual target event database, or an itty-bitty as we call it.
An itty-bitty?
An itty-bitty.
In the itty-bitty, at the precise time of the Iranian UFO, there was a sighting in the itty-bitty where we recorded the sighting.
So that was the first correlation I had of one of our spy satellites actually getting correlation on the ground of an event.
I could compare the two.
And so that was a definite hit.
And later on, I got, remember the big Colorado UFO where they reported it as a forest fire?
Call the local sheriff and say, you've got a forest fire over here between Durango and Pueblo, I believe it was.
Really?
And so the sheriff sent out a helicopter, because that's a remote area and they could destroy a lot of forest area before they could get anybody there.
And while he was on the way there, got another phone call back, says, never mind, it's over here.
Gave him another location.
Then, later on, came back and says, Never mind, there's nothing there, don't worry about it.
Well, a short time after that, I think it was two weeks, three weeks, I didn't know about the Colorado thing.
I got a message from one of our analysts that said, gee, here's something you might be interested in.
We had a moving forest fire in Colorado.
A moving forest fire?
How fast was this forest fire moving?
The analyst didn't say.
He said it was at this time it was here and at this time it was here.
Later on I found out about the UFO that correlated to that so-called forest fire.
I've got that one written up.
It's in my book.
It talks about that a little bit.
What is your book?
all of the uh... book called how to build a hundred and twenty five million
dollar ufo detector how to
uh... which of course refers to spy satellites i presume That's correct.
It is such a terribly sensitive subject that I'm frankly surprised you can find ways to talk about it at all.
I mean, even if your sources are legitimately gathered through FOIA requests, whatever other sources you might have, since you worked and designed these satellites, They would be really concerned with your coming on a program like this.
Well, I got called in one time by security.
It was interesting.
A UFO researcher back east sent me a Twix.
Excuse me, a fax.
And the fax showed an event that came in from deep space that our satellite had detected.
And what he sent me was a page out of a classified report.
I happened to know the report because I had written the report.
And so I took security, explaining to them that we had a leak somewhere in the system.
If I could get this fax of a secret page, then the secret page was getting out somewhere.
So I talked with, they assigned an investigator and we talked for several hours and I finally
said, Carl, what are you doing?
He says, well, I'm filling out your security violation.
Your security violation?
He says, excuse me, I come and tell you about a leak and you're going to write me up for a security violation.
No, no, no good turn going unpunished.
That's right.
And he said, well, you failed to safeguard this material.
I got it in a fax at about 10 o'clock in the evening.
I took it to bed with me and literally slept on it and brought it to you first thing this morning.
I don't know of any government offices open at 10 o'clock at night, so I safeguarded it.
I know it was not compromised.
So anyway, I was somewhat disgusted and I walked out of the interview.
The next morning when I came into work, Some of the guard says, Ron, what did you do?
And I thought, uh oh, they're really going to drop the ax on me today.
Right.
Well, it turns out Carl was terminated that previous day after I left.
He was terminated?
He was terminated.
I went and talked to the head of security and asked what's going on, and he says, nothing, go back to work.
I don't know if they attempted to plug the leak.
It was never talked about.
I've learned in this business, Darrell can probably confirm this, if you don't think you might not like the answer, don't ask the question.
I can tell you that for a tremendous certainty.
When I was in the Central Intelligence Agency, I made the mistake of revealing some things about our security problems on a top secret installation.
The individual I related to looked at me, he was white as a sheet when I related to him, and then he looked at me and said, Why in the world would you make that kind of a statement?
I said, well, the tumblers on the lock of that particular building can be heard and you can actually tell how to break into this thing just by listening to the tumblers.
He said, have you ever done that?
I said, no, I have not.
He said, well, how would you know that?
I said, well, you used to be a safe cracker before you got in the company, didn't you?
He looked at me for a long time, a very red face, and finally he admitted he was.
But the next day, in a major meeting, the chief of station Yes.
And the Chief of Security, this guy's boss, was standing there with about 30 other people, and the Chief of Security stood up and said, if anybody ever gets caught near this certain building, and he looks at me and says, tampering with those locks, or even, if I think, if I think you're near that building, I promise you 40 years in prison and no one will ever know where you're at.
I looked at the Chief of Station, who liked me very well, and had sent a number of my items up to Langley, And noticed that he wasn't smiling at all.
And I knew that guy was telling the truth.
Last time I did my good turn.
How can you guys work for people like this?
You don't.
You quit.
Well, I did.
It's sort of like being in a great big movie and you want to see how it turns out.
Excellent.
Excellent.
So you do.
You finally get fed up.
What about the people?
This is really a more important question.
I'm very glad that you guys were that way, and I can understand why you'd get fed up and quit.
While I enjoyed my stay in the Air Force, I found the way they did things was not particularly to my liking, and I was more independent, so I left.
I mean, it's kind of the same psychology, only you guys even had it worse.
What I want to ask you about is the guys who stay.
The guys who can digest all this and stay.
What does that mean we end up with in the CIA, in the spy satellite business, the people who can integrate into the kind of system we're just talking about right now.
What kind of quality of people end up being lifers?
Well, I can talk about the aerospace business a little bit.
For one thing, we're right there on the cutting edge.
And that's exciting and that's challenging.
Professionally, it's wonderful.
I would venture that probably less than 1% of the engineers that I know of would give a hoot and a holler about UFOs or anything like that.
And so they really suffer from the old ostrich complex.
Keep your head in the sand and do your work.
When your head's in the sand, you know where your hindquarters are.
Don't make any waves.
But they're doing something that's exciting and challenging, and they really believe the whole story.
And I do, too, for a lot of it.
I think we do an outstanding job.
After all, it was the defense business that brought down the Soviet Union.
We've kept this country free and safe for quite a few years.
That's not to say we're not without our faults, but there's some mighty good people doing some outstanding work there.
And I'm not ashamed at all to say I'm proud to be a part of it.
There's also some shady characters, and those are the ones we don't want to talk about too much, or expose them if we can.
Well, what is Daryl, the CIA, doing these days?
Do you have any sense of what their main missions are?
Are they as active as ever?
Has the ending of the Cold War put them out of business, or what's going on?
The CIA is not out of business and never will be out of business as long as people are paranoid that are in government and will fund it and as long as we pay taxes to support that mentality.
Well, there's no shortage of paranoia.
And there's no shortage of money.
My tax situation ought to prove that.
Ron and I were discussing that on the phone just before you came on when you were talking about the taxes.
I was audited twice this year and on both occasions they set out $37,000 Well, two times in a row in the same situation with two different tax auditors.
This is rather curious to me.
out why i did not have any but i had to spend uh... about thirty five hundred dollars
to prove to them i did not think why do you think you were audited
well the two times in a row of the same situation with uh... two different tax auditors uh... this
is rather curious to me
uh... my tax auditing problem started uh... after i got out of the c a
i did not leave on the best of terms of them In fact, I brought a congressional investigation on the company before I left.
Chairman Mendel Rivers of the House Armed Services Committee headed it.
So I ended up exiled to Ascom, Korea for my efforts.
Well, that's not necessarily particularly unusual, is it?
I mean, people who leave the agency in less than stellar light It happens.
It really happens.
I've had an unusual amount of audits ever since then.
So two this year was unusual, especially since I didn't owe them a penny and they admitted it.
Remarkable.
Well, anyway, back to the business of what can and can't be seen.
Darryl, do you have any way of confirming what Ron is saying about what we have seen With our satellites?
The best way I can confirm that independently and without any violation in any sense of the word concerning my clearance status, which is now secret.
It was top secret.
It's been administratively reduced to secret now.
The independent way to do that and the collaboration that Ron and I have come into is to take cases, the finest cases that I feel like I have, And try to establish those time, states, and places with the exact findings that he has in his research, which he's acquired quite legally.
And some of these are showing up as some rather remarkable... Well, what we have in effect is the United States government's spy satellite proving a UFO was at an abduction location during the same time.
This is phenomenal!
Phenomenal.
Ron, I know this is a question that is going to be hard.
Do you, you don't happen to have possession of any of these satellite photographs, do you?
No, what I do have is in my book I have six pages of fast walker reports, line after line after line of fast walker reports.
Right.
And I say that, that's We'll use the definition that Jacques Vallee uses in his book, Fast Walker, and use that for a working definition.
Okay.
Now let me rephrase the question.
Have you seen any of these satellite photographs?
Okay, I have not seen the satellite photographs, no, of detecting UFOs.
Let me explain the differences between the two.
Alright.
The satellite data that I have is from one that's in geosynchronous orbit, and it's a non-imaging satellite.
We have visual sensors, infrared and ultraviolet, along with some that are in other areas of the spectrum, and we send out a digital signal.
We do a little bit of processing on board and then we send out a digital signal and
then match those data against what we call a time intensity profile.
What that is, is let's assume for the moment that a match and a little flash bulb have
the same amount of energy in them.
A flash bulb goes out and it releases its energy very, very quickly.
Whereas a match might have the same amount of energy, but it will release it over a 30
second time span.
So each target that we look at has a different time intensity profile.
And so when we detect something, the computers will attempt to match that time intensity
profile with one that's stored in the database and then give us a best fit or a best match.
In other words, like a submarine, you're trying to... Submarines, I understand, can, from a sound signature, identify the specific name of an enemy submarine, because that signature has been recorded previously, so you're doing the same kind of matching work.
Right, that's a good analogy.
So we can then categorize what the targets are that we're looking at.
So we don't have a photograph.
We have a digital signal.
And then we get to look at that digital signal and get a good idea of what's going on.
So whether it's a visual image or it's a signature, it really doesn't matter.
You can track the speed, altitude, And all the rest of it of an object.
Right.
Just as at night time you can hear a train go by by listening to it without seeing it.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
And how many of these kinds of detections of what you and I know as fast walkers do you think there have been?
Do you have any sense of how many?
Well, I can give you a precise number here.
Oh, you can?
Well, it's up to the time of my database.
I got my information from the Freedom of Information Act in 1994, and the data goes from 1973 to 1992.
Oh, that's a good long span.
All right, this is a good hook.
So what I'm going to do is let you gentlemen relax, and when we come back, we will have that answer for everybody, all right?
Alright, good.
I absolutely love doing that to people.
It's a fault that you acquire.
The more and more you do radio, you learn to sort of keep people on the hook, as it were.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Stay right where you are.
We'll be right back.
Spy satellites.
We have an expert.
The CIA.
We have an ex-employee.
And then there's me.
Black Ops, right?
I wonder if this broadcast will make it to term.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 1998.
The Coast to Coast AM concert was held at the May 1st, 1998, in the City of London.
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I'm missing, all the fools around me.
I'm missing, all the fools around me.
Tonight's program originally aired May 1st, 1998.
It is, and boy, what have we got for you this morning.
Probably trouble.
Ronald Regeer, who is an expert, designed spy satellites.
Knows about them, knows...
And we'll sort of merge all of these for you as time goes on.
we're going to ask about that momentary listen to xc i a and is an investigator in you follow the investigator
and will sort of merger of these for you as time goes on this is my first opportunity though to talk to an expert
spy satellites back down to my guest Ronald Regeer and Darrell Sims.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
We were about to drop a number on them, and the question was, how many of these fast walkers, so-called, during those years that you specified, and you can tell us what they are again, did our satellites image?
Okay, this is in my book.
And this is in my book, we have from 1973, which we just had one in 1973.
No, that's a mistake.
We had three in 1973.
And then in 1974, we had five.
Then we started getting a little bit better at this.
In 1977, we had a few more.
The latest, we have a total count here between there and 1992.
We started getting a little bit better at this.
In 1977 we had a few more.
The latest we have total count here, between there and 1992.
And 1992 is almost a full page of data.
316.
316 unaccountable...
Now, let's specify what we're talking about here.
Are we talking about objects of the sort that I just described?
Very fast objects moving through the atmosphere unaccountably fast and definitely some sort of objects?
We're talking about things that they identify with the code FW, which I believe stands for fast walker.
Sounds like that to me.
They actually use that acronym, huh?
They use that acronym.
I've got a fax here from Ed Daines.
Oh, hi.
Say hi.
He called me at work one time.
As a matter of fact, the day I received that fax, I got a call at work from Ed Daines.
Really?
I really did.
Well, what he says here is, Art, Ron is the real thing.
Valuable information for you and your listeners.
Though he may have been out of the loop for a decade or more, Even he can only imagine what technology can do today.
Still, he is walking a fine line.
I'm sure that you know what I mean.
He certainly does.
A P.S.
A talking point hint.
Observe your guest's reaction.
Suppose that I knew that a potential enemy country believed that UFOs were real.
In that case, I could mimic the behavior of what that particular country recognized as a UFO and penetrate their airspace with impunity.
This is not TV.
I cannot observe your reaction with silence.
Well, let me quote from a publication called the Soviet Military Review.
Okay.
June 1989 in an article titled UFOs and Security.
Uh-huh.
And what they're doing is they're talking about our SDI.
Remember Star Wars that Reagan had?
Oh, yes.
Quote, this missile defense is designed to control outer space and destroy near-Earth air and space targets.
Any system can be effective only if it is managed by super-quick computer systems.
Right.
It is most important here to correctly identify targets.
So, corresponding computer cells must know what signal characteristics of the object
it is tracking to make it a potential target.
Here's where it gets interesting.
We believe that lack of information on the characteristics and influence of UFOs increase
the threat of incorrect identification.
Mass transition of UFOs along trajectories close to those of combat missiles could be
regarded by computers as an attack.
So think of that for a minute.
The Soviet Union actually considered that UFOs could be misidentified by our Star Wars system as attacking Soviet missiles.
Wow.
And that happened pretty close to it because in 1960 all the bombers of Travis were put on red alert and they're actually rolling down the runways after their base radars detected targets flying from the North Pole.
Really?
When those targets disappeared from the screen, they were later on explained as radar reflections of the moon.
Uh-huh.
I take it that we increased our DEFCON level.
You wouldn't dispatch that kind of force without an increase in DEFCON level.
That's correct.
DEFCON 3 is launch forces.
We got to DEFCON 3, you're saying?
Yes.
Radar reflections off the moon.
Radar reflections off the moon.
That's one of the things that led me to believe that we can't identify these things.
There's a number of little snippets of things like this that make it unconscionable that people would be able to categorize.
Let's go back in history for a minute, if I may, Art.
You may.
The first study to investigate phenomenology from space was led out by President Truman
of the RAND Corporation.
His Secretary of the Navy was Dan Kimball.
Dan Kimball spotted a UFO.
Dan Kimball left the White House in 1952 when Eisenhower was elected.
Dan Kimball went to Aerojet and was the President of Aerojet.
Aerojet was founded by Theodore and John Carman, who was also the founder of Jet Propulsion
Labs.
Aerojet is one of the prime makers of deep space sensors.
I don't know if there's any tie in there, but as we said earlier, there's coincidences and then there's real strong coincidences.
That's right, it's all very incestuous.
Listen, we have just gone through, and are going through now, a tremendous controversy about the region of Cydonia on Mars.
And there is a camera The Dr. Malin of Dr. Malin's design on the spacecraft.
And there have been great arguments about the quality of photographs that we are getting back.
Now, this satellite is in low Mars orbit.
Just roughly, as a matter of fact, the same altitude as our low orbiters here on Earth.
Have you seen the photographs that have been coming back?
And if so, are you satisfied that They represent, how can I put this, state-of-the-art technology in this field.
For an Etch-a-Sketch.
For an Etch-a-Sketch?
Here, here.
You agree with that, Daryl?
Absolutely.
No, they don't nearly represent.
For one thing, let's remember some of the basic rules of observing from space.
You have to go through the atmosphere.
Mars does not have that dense an atmosphere.
You're so correct.
See, I said this at the time.
I monitor the NOAA stuff.
It provides crystal clear pictures of what we get.
I mean, really crystal clear.
You can look at the strips.
I put one of them up on my website when the first Mars pictures came back, the first so-called pictures of the face from the new spacecraft.
And they had this long, dark, indecipherable strip.
Which, in fact, if you dug deep enough, did have some information in it.
But it was pathetic.
Totally pathetic.
And I screeched and yelled about it that night.
And I said, look, I know our technology is better than this.
The transmission from Mars, I grant you, it's a longer distance, but it's all coming back with error-correcting telemetry.
So the pictures ought to be muah!
You're correct, 100%.
I am.
100% correct.
Huh.
There's no reason we can't get better imaging from Mars than we get from right here on Earth.
Because of the lack of atmosphere.
That's correct.
Well, well darn.
So either they deliberately set out not to get as good of imaging as they could.
Yes.
Or they're messing with the signal.
Hmm.
Maybe they're getting some good pictures and maybe the bad ones, like the photo company does sometimes, they send to us.
You both are very suspicious, aren't you?
It's been done before.
It's something that just really irritates me.
They have the technology, we have the technology to do so much better.
than what we're seeing.
I haven't seen any actual images.
All I've seen is what's on the web.
But I know what's on the web from other imaging systems from the 60s.
I know, I know.
I know, I mean, here we are.
We were using Vidicon tubes back then.
Now we have incredibly sensitive high-resolution CCDs up there, supposedly.
And we're just, we're getting Garbage compared to what we ought to have or what I think we ought to have with today's technology.
Well they can also use, we're not even limited by CCDs, we can use film also.
If you recall the early satellites, the early Kehoe 1 through 4, I think it was called Corona series, they dropped a film canister over Hawaii.
That's right.
And the Air Force played tag with the Soviets trying to snag these things out of the sky.
It was a race to see who got it first, huh?
Right.
Then we had submarines and turf.
It was great.
Anyway, to stop that, what we did was we got some ultra-high-res cameras and then we scanned those.
Remember the old fax machine where you had the drum that would spin?
Of course.
Okay, imagine if you would, a laser and a high-image photograph.
And then the laser would be able to detect gray tones and then digitize that signal and then you can get that digital signal back and reconstruct that back on Earth.
That's what we're doing now.
We get ultra-high resolution that way.
Alright, let me read this to you.
Art, my own understanding, the optical photography which your guest is describing is old hat.
Current technology involves a radar mapping method which can resolve the head of a pin in most weather conditions.
If he is brave, perhaps he will discuss this subject, or perhaps these advancements came after his time.
What can you tell us about that radar mapping?
Of course, they're going to be doing that, I believe, on Mars as well.
Right.
Radar mapping, the problem we have with radar mapping is it's sociologically incorrect.
It takes a tremendous amount of energy.
All the other sensors we're talking about are passive sensors.
What they do is they detect reflections or emissions.
You are quite correct.
A radar requires an emission and a return and a lot of power.
Right.
And so we would have something like an orbiting Chernobyl and not too many people like those.
You can remember the static NASA got just with the Cassini probe.
Yeah, but these were what were made public.
Now, I don't doubt for a second that there are all kinds of nuclear things in orbit or placed somewhere up there that we don't know about.
Of course, they would say there's a treaty and we don't do that kind of thing, but I'm not sure I believe it.
Yeah, I sincerely doubt we have too many of them.
I don't know of any that we have that we have made public.
If I knew of any, I'd just say it was classified and I couldn't respond.
I don't know of any.
So you really don't?
I really don't.
The only radar I know of is La Crosse, and that's a fairly new satellite.
I'll tell you what, the Keyhole series and the Keyhole 12s, they use side-looking radar
as well.
But they're just, they're awfully tight.
They're maneuverable.
They run out of fuel easy.
They've only got about a 700-800 day life.
They're fantastic with what they do.
No question about it.
Alright, now, where is it that you two come together?
In other words, here we have a man familiar with satellites, designed them, and we've got Daryl Sims, who was ex-CIA and Investigates implants, that sort of thing.
Where does the twain meet here?
Well, let me start and then I'll toss it over to Daryl.
Okay.
I believe that we first got into the UFO detection business because of two reasons.
Military sabotage and abductions.
Oh my.
If you remember back in the early days, and maybe still going on, and I'm not privy to all of that, maybe Daryl is, the Used to be a lot of UFO activity associated with sabotage.
And we had the Juno missile failure.
We had B-29s that were routed around.
We had all our space probes, early space probes crashed.
We had green fireballs.
We had nuclear warheads retargeted at Malmstrom two times.
I've heard that, yes.
We had an Atlas F ICBM launched in 1964 that was shot down by a UFO.
Oh, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Don't just zip by that one.
I hadn't heard of that.
We had an ICBM shot down by a UFO.
You want to run that one by me?
Sure.
Some detail?
Dr. Robert Jacobs, I believe his name is, was running a camera system on a mountain in Big Sur, tracking the polar launches of Atlas missiles out of Vandenberg Air Force Base.
It's the same camera, by the way, that tracks all the shuttle landings at Edwards Air Force Base.
So it's the same system.
In December, I'm not remembering the exact date, but December 1964, he was filming Atlas F launch.
During the course of the filming, and he just sets the cameras on automatic, he's not watching the film all the time.
Sure.
The Atlas blew up.
Now, this was in the 60s.
If you recall, it was not a bit uncommon for our missiles to blow up in the 60s.
There was almost a given for a while there with the early ones always falling over.
But anyway, he was called into Major Florence Mansman's office and shown a film the film had taken.
And on this film, he saw this shape object flashing lights light beams directed at
the atlas circling the atlas missile
The second or third time they circled the atlas and fired the light beams out at the atlas disintegrated and exploded
When he was asked what happened He said I think those are UFOs and man said no we had a
malfunction How clear was the footage?
well the distance from Big Sur to Vandenberg is Substantially less than Big Sur to Edwards Air Force Base
And you'll see in the pictures of Big Sur to Edwards with the shuttle landing.
And you can get an idea of how clear those pictures are cut the distance by about a third.
Excellent resolution.
Now, at the termination of Project Blue Book, The Air Force said that not all of the things they investigated could be explained, but they ended it by suggesting that whatever UFOs are, they are not a threat to national security.
Now, initiating, shutting ICBMs down, in the case of Russia, initiating launch sequences, shooting down Um, rockets in mid-flight.
This strikes me as possibly in the realm of national security.
It is.
Darryl, do you want to handle that one?
Absolutely.
In 1952, a case of UFOs over the Capitol, a case that's in my book that I'm currently writing, I found the pilots that actually were involved in, uh, sent up by the United States.
Now, when you say the Capitol, Darryl, you mean as in Washington, D.C.?
1952, yes.
UFOs were spotted over the capital and a series of these UFOs.
We had several pilots go up in a Lockheed F-94B Starfire to intercept six unidentified UFO objects.
They were tracked on radar.
They were also seen by commercial pilots as well as, of course, the pilots themselves.
I've recently found the pilots and they've told their story.
Long story short about that is simply this.
After the two pilots did their job, then they landed at Langley Air Force Base before it was the CIA headquarters, and I have their flight logs to verify the story, they were both taken and placed in two different rooms.
Then they were questioned and asked the question, what did you see?
And then they relayed the story.
And then after that story was relayed, they Interrogators looked at him and said, No, you didn't.
You didn't see what you didn't see anything like that.
And you won't see anything like that.
And if you do punitive action will be taken against you.
And so on and so on.
Well, long story short, these fellows gave up their commission and the Air Force One of them became a commercial airline pilot, he just finished up his career, and now he's come forward.
Darryl, good.
I don't want to make it that short.
I can handle a longer story.
UFOs over our capital, and he's now told his story, and I want to hear it.
I'm Art Bell, this is Coast to Coast AM.
Listen to Art Bell somewhere in time.
featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 1st, 1998.
This is a video of the new Coast to Coast America Tour, which was filmed in May 1st, 1998.
The tour was held in the city of San Francisco on May 1st, 1998.
The tour was held in the city of San Francisco Actually, tonight is a very good example of what I was telling a caller a little bit earlier.
And he called me and said, you know, you know Art, you ought to change your program.
The only thing you ought to have on are mainstream scientists, physicists, astronomers, that sort of thing.
And of course I have those people on my program all the time.
But the truth is not necessarily contained in any one single place or within one strict paradigm, whether that's conventional science or unconventional science or secret science.
This day, my guests are Ronald Regeer, who designed and actually worked with spy satellites And Daryl Sims, who's XCIA and has been a UFO investigator for many years now.
So, in search of the truth, I think, requires many paths.
And this is yet one more.
We'll get back to them in a moment.
Alright, back now to my guest.
And Daryl, you were right in the middle of explaining about These objects that appeared over our capital in 1952, I believe, and we sent up a couple of fighters, you said, and the pilots were then debriefed and told they didn't see a damn thing.
But one of them now is out of the service, is a commercial pilot, and you said has told his story.
What is his story?
Basically, the gentleman, he flew the And this is on July 26, 1952, and his individual flight record records that, and him landing at Langley Air Base at the time.
And he basically relates that during this event where the UFOs were over the Capitol Building, they came back, they landed, and were placed in two different rooms, debriefed, and asked the question, what basically did you see?
Right.
What did he describe?
then they got more specific and finally uh... they said you know as we approach and they they sped
away and so on and all these unbelievable... well what did he describe? he's on
he what he described was uh...
that the objects were doing remarkable uh...
and incredible maneuvers that we were not able to do or match with our
aircraft and uh... from a pilot strictly from a fighter pilots point
of view this is what he was relaying to them
And of course, this was not within the paradigm of the individuals there.
But it wasn't like they couldn't see this on radar.
I mean, this stuff is actually on film.
You can see old film of this sort of thing.
I saw it when I was a kid.
I believe they actually had pictures of the objects.
Yes, they did.
Published in the Washington Post or one of the big papers.
That is correct.
And the amazing thing about it, of course, is after they finally questioned him at length and they gave their entire stories, they looked at them and said, no, you didn't.
You didn't see anything like that.
It didn't happen.
This event did not occur.
And then they threatened him.
And this gentleman, I have him on tape.
In a public meeting I asked him to come forward, he would and he did.
He came forward and gave a public statement and in the public statement said they threatened
me.
He said I can't figure out why in the world somebody would send me up to do this sort
of thing, to face something we don't know what it is and then come back and threaten
me because I did what they told me to do.
He said so I gave up my commission and became an airline pilot.
and uh... he just retired and that's reasons coming forward to snide basically
has nothing to lose gentlemen i'm gonna ask a very sensitive question here
regarding these fast walkers that you talked about awhile ago ronald of the three hundred and some of that
have been recorded during that
period of time you mentioned obviously
i thought maybe i should say obviously but to the best of my knowledge during
those years we have no such craft and probably don't today that would do those kinds of maneuvers
and speeds for our atmosphere is
Is that fair to say?
Yes, the closest we've got to it is the SR-71, and it doesn't come close to some of the reported phenomena.
So that if these are craft, these are craft from elsewhere?
That's correct.
Fair assumption, right?
You both agree?
Absolutely.
Okay.
Yes.
I've had reports, in fact I have seen video of what appears to be us shooting at them.
Are we doing that?
I have no knowledge of that, although I wouldn't be surprised.
Well, I can't prove that.
However, I have some documents that Dr. Lear and I received while we were down in Brazil that are secret documents from the Brazilian government.
It goes into Portuguese, and I have an English translation of it, and soon I'll put these up on our website.
But basically, what we have here is Daniel Golden's signature, in case people don't know who that is.
That's the administrator of NASA.
Indeed.
And Wayne Christopher.
Warren Christopher of the United States.
These are documents I've not been able to show Ron yet, but I will.
I assure you, based on his experience, he will see far better than what I have seen here, which shows to me that their primary interest in these documents is controlling airspace in reference to UFOs.
I find that rather interesting, especially after these agreements were signed after the so-called Varginha incident.
In that particular case, one investigator down there in Brazil, Claudio Covo, and myself have come to an opinion that the possibility exists, based on other testimony, that that UFO might in fact have been shot.
It had a huge hole in the side of it.
It was flying around for apparently several hours before it actually landed and that, in my opinion, possibly let off a number of the occupants in different locations and that's the reason they were found in different locations.
Now I know that a number of people that I know went down there and investigated this and talked to witnesses who saw the craft, who saw The beings.
And there's quite a bit of eyewitness testimony with regard to this incident in Brazil.
Yes.
Absolutely.
One of them, Stanton Friedman.
Yes, of course.
And so you believe that we shot all through this damn thing, it flew for as long as it could, and then landed or crash-landed.
I find it amusing that NORAD was the one that called the information in to the Brazilian Air Force.
How did NORAD know that?
How did they know it was coming down in their sector, and how did they know it was coming down to begin with?
How did they know any of this?
I don't have the slightest idea, but since you have brought up the subject of NORAD, let me ask you about a rumor that has been flying around all over the place, and it may be absolutely false, and it's a good opportunity to knock it down, maybe you know something about it, but I am told that quite a large number of employees and their families Um, quickly left NORAD, uh, packed up their stuff and left the country.
Have you heard anything about that?
Have either one of you heard anything about that?
I haven't.
I have not.
Okay, both of you say no, then.
That's correct.
I have no knowledge of that.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Um, NORAD, of course, uh, would be responsible for collating the data that these satellites That's correct.
Interestingly enough, we have a treaty with Canada, and NORAD is jointly run by the United States and Canada, as such that makes them exempt from all Freedom of Information Act requests.
Oh, really?
Absolutely.
Tidy little arrangement.
Well, I've always felt that Even though you can occasionally get a little jewel in a Freedom of Information request because somebody makes a mistake, generally speaking, if they don't want you to know something, an FOIA is not going to get it for you.
That's generally true.
One of the good researchers, if I can just relay a little vignette along that line, Lee Graham.
I don't know if you've heard of him or not.
But he's probably written more Freedom of Information Act requests individually than any other ten people you want to name.
His wife signed for while he was at work a response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
It turned out that someone was on duty in the FOIA office and wasn't aware of the rules and regulations, and because of the wording of the request, Well, I can tell you this.
I was in the Air Force.
I spent four years in the Air Force.
I'm for it with double wrapped he got a little bit you no longer employed
no longer employed no longer employed because someone made a mistake and sent him a classified document
well i can tell you this uh... i was in the air force and i spent four years uh...
in the air force and uh... part of that was overseas on the island of okinawa during the vietnam war
before i got to go down myself and Every day, we would fly missions out of Kadena Air Force Base with B-52s.
KC-135s and B-52s.
They roundly denied that any of these missions were taking place.
I mean, absolutely flat denials.
Every day, the local Okinawan television station Channel 12, Ryuki Ohso, would go up to the gate, you know, they could get as close as the gate, and they would take these photographs of B-52s directly coming over them.
You could, you could, the camera was shaking, you know, as the B-52 would rise up, and then they'd just try to, and then they would go to the base spokesman.
And they would point out this video, and the base spokesman would stand there with a straight face and say, no, B-52s fly from this base.
Just a little hint of, and this went on for a couple of years.
Did he ever get a job in the presidency or anything?
Interesting, you know, the Washington D.C.
overflight that Darrell was talking about?
Yes.
The following Monday, General Stanford called a press release, the biggest press release since the end of World War II, and attempted to explain to the press that what they had seen, our best interceptors that spent hours trying to intercept, had been tracked by our best radars at the time, I tried to explain that these were either a temperature inversion, a meteor, or the planet Mars and Jupiter.
That's the reason they threatened these people and they quit their career because of ionized air?
Yeah.
Right.
Some bad air out there, right?
But it wasn't that.
Now, the both of you left your intelligence work, respectively, and I spent a little bit of time earlier in the program asking you about, then, the kind of individual that becomes a lifer.
In other words, the one who does not make waves, He integrates into the system and doesn't want to know anything he shouldn't know, doesn't want to tell anything he shouldn't tell, and becomes the perfect little soldier.
And over a period of time, isn't that generally what we end up with?
And so, should we be surprised that we have this kind of information wall?
In other words, these are people who don't make waves.
They're not going to come forward.
They're not going to say anything.
They're probably, for the most part, going to go to their graves with their information.
This is generally true.
However, I've located some people over the years.
One of them is a lieutenant commander in my little list of military-type people who are coming forward.
He's a lieutenant commander, he claims, and is willing to come forward.
He was a You mean Blue Book?
project blue book and i said come forward on uh... camera with this nation absolutely in
a civil basically what did you
what information you have that uh... was of any interest anyone can he said well
basically relied about everything and i don't know what about you know that sort of thing you
mean you mean blue book
absolutely in other words it was an intentional
activity to run around to wherever there might be an incident
and uh... explain it away or dispense with evidence or whatever
That was his assertion.
You believe him?
I think so, based on the other things I've found.
One other thing I found in this rather interesting situation, 1952, I found this individual here in Houston, rather shocked by this, but this individual Actually, it was part of a roving anti-aircraft gunnery unit that was on the ground during the time the UFOs came over twice in Washington, D.C.
They had anti-aircraft gunnery units.
Now, why in the world would they have roving anti-aircraft gunnery units on the nights the UFOs were over the Capitol?
And, I mean, what would the purpose of an anti-aircraft gunnery unit be?
Well, they only have one that I know of.
I mean, they're supposed to shoot stuff down.
Well, this would indicate to me that they had the idea that there was a threat there.
Again, I was in the military and the mentality worries me a little bit, and now I'm coming back to the fact that we do appear to be shooting at these things.
Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but just casual thinking has brought to me The following, and that is that if they are here, they are here from light years or dimensions or whatever we want to imagine away, meaning they have technology we cannot even begin to imagine.
Now, shooting at these people would seem to me to be a poorly constructed idea.
Generally one that you would expect from the military, but poorly constructed.
And if in fact they are real, it's liable to end up with something terrible happening to us.
Could we reverse that?
In UFO Danger Zone, an excellent book by Bob Pratt, we find for nearly 30 years UFOs doing the same things to human beings in the Amazon region.
You mean abductions?
Not just that, but shooting little laser lights at them and at these people.
Many of them injured and some of them even died as a result.
It doesn't make any sense to me if these beings are Or craft or whatever are from wherever out there and they're supposed to be highly intelligent and everything else why they would be doing this sort of thing to people and much of the torture part of this this sort of scenario usually comes in areas where people are least able to do anything about it.
I mean one gentleman in a case I'm investigating in Brazil had his eyes surgically removed after his in his abduction and now this this is the type mentality that There are some of these other people that think these
beings are here to save the planet and fix the ozone hole and a few other things which they
haven't done since they've been here.
I fail to understand why.
You might say, well, that was only one instance and it was just a lab rat that just took his
eyes.
But why for 30 years they've done this sort of thing to people?
As I said, UFO Danger Zone is the name of the book and Bob Pratt is the one that wrote
it with a forward by Jacques Vallee.
Oh, I wouldn't say that.
I would say removing a person's eyes is really serious, as far as I'm concerned.
Especially if it were the person's eyes who felt like they were here to save the planet.
You might think differently about that after that.
It may be that there are different groups that are here, and many people say that, and some may be friendly and some may not be so friendly, but shooting at them just seems like a poorly constructed idea, unless they're really doing something to our national security that is really frightening.
And even then, shooting at something with that much technology, I mean, you should think a lot before you do it.
Interestingly enough, some of these UFOs seem to have shot at each other.
Which indicates that some of them don't even agree with each other.
Or there may be, as you say, different groups.
Have either of you gentlemen ever heard of a Planetary Defense Workshop?
I have not.
No.
What is that?
That was a group that was met in 1995 and again in 1997.
I will pick up on this in a second.
We're at the bottom of the hour and I would like to open the lines and we've got two very good experts here and so I'd like to get to questions, okay?
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We're about to open the lines here.
We have two experts.
Ronald Regeer, who designed spy satellites.
And Darrell Sims, who was CIM.
I.A. If you have questions, we're about to get the lines open.
All right, back now to my guests, Ronald Regeer and Darrell Sims.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
We were talking about a planetary defense, and you know, Ronald Reagan, I don't know how many times, made reference to the possibility That we might, as a planet, need to defend ourselves.
And he made that reference, I suppose, in trying to justify Star Wars.
I don't know.
Either that, or he knew something that we're still trying to find out ourselves.
What do you think?
From what I heard, he made the statement five times.
Yep.
And Premier Gorbachev also made an almost identical statement once, that I'm aware of.
Right.
During the break, I highlighted on the Planetary Defense Workshop participants.
There's eight pages, 15 people per page.
Chief of the Kinetic Impact Branch at Phillips Laboratories at Kirtland Air Force Base.
The Director of Advanced Projects at Edwards Air Force Base.
Chief Scientist, Planetary Institute at Tucson.
The Ondrej Astronomical Observatory from the Czech Academy of Science in the Czech Republic, Russian Federal Nuclear Center, Novgorod region, Russia, Chief Scientist of the Pentagon, the Head of International Security Consulting, Russian Federal Nuclear Center at Chelyabinsk region, Russia, the National Astronomical Observatory, At Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan.
The Planetary Defense Mission Planner from Vandenberg Air Force Base.
Lawrence Livermore Labs.
Ames Research Center.
NASA.
Department of Energy.
Goes on and on and on.
Lunar Planetary Labs.
Federal Nuclear Center, I named those before.
Why are the two of you, I'm curious, why are the two of you deciding to come forward now after all this time?
Darryl, do you want to have that one first or do you want me to go?
Okay.
I was asked that question by a movie producer just recently.
I can imagine.
He wants to, there's an offer to make a movie.
Based on some of the things I'm relating here in my life.
And basically what it amounts to is, he said, why are you coming forward with this kind of information?
Why are you putting this finally in a book after 34 years of investigations?
Why are you coming forward with this physical evidence?
And he said, I understand that there's a lot better evidence that you have even than implants, as great as that stuff is.
Why?
And I said, well, I didn't think until this year that I could really make a case.
I said, I think we can now.
I know that you work closely with Dr. Roger Lear, and we've had him on the air, and you told me something the other day, something that Dr. Lear is into that is new.
What's he doing?
Dr. Lear, we have done something rather remarkable.
We just signed an agreement to do up to seven TV programs, and we have Creative control, editorial control over the material.
How unusual.
It's never been done before, and we are absolutely delighted with that, and it's a done deal.
There are several other things that Roger and I will be doing.
In fact, I'll be leaving tomorrow afternoon in reference to that, and we'll be doing some filming further with other individuals, and this will also come out as one of the programs, but I assure you it will Darryl, you're familiar with Whitley Strieber, right?
Yes, of course.
I know him very well.
He was my guest last week on Dreamland.
And Whitley has told a story about an implant in his ear for years now.
And a surgeon went to take that implant out, opened up his ear, applied the scalpel, and the damn thing moved.
And he thought, hmm.
And so he went after it again.
And once again, the implant actually moved away from the scalpel.
Now, I've heard Whitley tell that story, but we had the surgeon on, the doctor who did the surgery, and that's exactly the way he told it this last Sunday.
Have you heard of things like that, Darrell?
I have two cases where this is alleged to occur, and both of them are under the skin, where the so-called object moves visibly underneath the skin where you can actually see it.
I have no idea as to whether that is related to anything that Whitley may have experienced.
It bothers me as to this, not Whitley's story, but the story that is related here, as to
whether this could be an implant or some kind of even micro technology or whatever because
it would require some movement under the skin, would require sensation and obviously pain
and other things and tissue damage and so on.
If that were the case, if you could see this moving, and I just had a case sent to me on
video with this and I'm reviewing it now, but there's a lot more testing that will be
done before we can come to any kind of conclusion about it.
There's a possibility it could be something as simple as Muscle reaction.
An inversion of muscle is a result of a spasm or this sort of thing.
I mean, it could be something like that.
Well, it wasn't in this case.
Oh, I'm sure I could say what we're referring to here is different than what Whitley's relaying.
Remarkable testimony this last week.
I have the tape.
In fact, I haven't played up here on Coastal one of these nights.
I will.
First time caller line, you are on the air with the entire group here.
Ronald Regeer, Daryl Simms and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello Art.
Hi there.
This is Andrew in Oklahoma City, WKY.
Hi Andrew.
I'm a retired Air Force Master Sergeant with a top secret SSIR clearance and have always wondered, considering that reconnaissance satellites can even discern license plate numbers, is it possible that there is potential satellite evidence of OJ Simpson Or his vehicle being present at the scene of the crime.
In other words, good question, could they have seen it?
I guess that would be for you, Ron.
Yes, no.
Yes, we could have, if we were looking.
That would have required using an elliptical orbit satellite, and those have to be either directed over a certain area beforehand, and that takes a lot of resources, If it had been over the area and they had been scanning, they could have seen it.
Let me give you an example.
Remember when Terry Waite was held captive several years ago?
we were able, using our surveillance satellites, to follow Terry Waite from hostage location
to location. Wow. So we probably have capability that we can't even right now hint at, or even if you did know, you
couldn't hint at.
As the saying goes, I'll tell you but I'd have to kill you.
Tell him something else.
There's something you can tell Ron that would be very useful at this point and answer this gentleman's question and also open some things up here for Art and his listeners.
And that is, you could see Terry Waits, not just because of sight, but you could also see him because of his heat signature.
And there are things like that, and a good example of this is the mere fact that you can tell information concerning, is a good example.
The cattle disease, it occurred in England.
There's a different heat signature whenever those cattle are sick.
Mad cow disease?
You're talking about mad cow disease, right?
You were paying attention while I talked, weren't you?
Oh my!
Alright, we'll come back to that in a moment.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello there.
Oh hi, how are you?
We're all fine.
Oh good, well it's very nice to be speaking with all of you.
Very interesting program and you always have interesting and very astute guests on.
Thank you.
Yes, well actually I had a question going back to when one of the gentlemen specified that he knew about other spacecraft shooting at each other.
Yes.
So that possibly would infer that there were maybe more than one type of species being on the planet.
Right?
Yes.
We're possibly visiting.
Correct.
Um, well, I had called you before about little wrinkly men.
About what?
About the little wrinkly guy.
I'm sorry, I'm not recalling it offhand.
Okay, well, anyway.
Um, I was talking about being visited, you know, when people visit you and when you see creatures come in and stuff.
Yes.
Alright.
Well, um, one time, um, something was pointed out to me and it was the moon.
And I was wondering, since we just sent another moon shot up there after all these years, right?
And they went on the dark side of the moon, and they were visiting some, I don't know, structure on the other side of the moon.
Would it be possible that they were trying to, I don't know, get rid of it or something?
Just like they're not sending the pictures on Mars?
All right.
I don't know how we'd address that.
Because I don't even know that I can confirm there's anything on the other side of the moon, but it does bring to mind a very good question for either one or both of you.
We sent men to the moon long, long ago.
We have not sent men to another planetary or satellite body since.
Why?
I'll start.
For one reason, it's very, very expensive considering what we can do with remote instrumentation.
It's just horribly expensive.
But I think there's probably another reason, and that is that our astronauts, if you believe Edgar Mitchell, for example, said, we know they're there.
He knows there's aliens there.
The government knows there are aliens there.
Buzz Aldrin has said that?
Edgar Mitchell.
Edgar Mitchell has also said that.
So, as a matter of fact, I had news from a reporter in Hawaii, who's a friend of mine, that Buzz Aldrin did a talk, and at the end of the talk, very much at the very end, he uncovered a palette with a picture of a typical gray, and he pointed at it, and without a smile on his face, he said, these guys really exist.
And there was just this Sudden silence in the room.
He didn't laugh.
There was a little nervous chuckling out in the audience.
And it was over.
But he said that.
Well, it's interesting that NASA specialists, NASA's primary investigator, Farouk El-Baz, makes statements commonly concerning the huge, large spires that have been spotted on the moon by our people.
And some of them is five and six times the height of the Empire State Building.
Richard Oglin has talked about this.
People say he's crazy as a loon.
You know, glass or crystal spires rising off the face of the moon.
As a matter of fact, he made a rather compelling story that one of our spacecraft, which terminated, boom, like that, ran into one of these things.
Well, it seems rather interesting to me that NASA, a current employee and one of the highest ranking people in his entire field, would make public statements like this.
And his statement was that we probably are looking at the possibility of alien artifacts as, you know, as we describe them.
He said, maybe we're not understanding what we're seeing.
He said, but these are not made from the materials that's made from the moon.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Ronald Regeer, Daryl Sims, and Art Bell.
Hi.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Good morning.
This is Tim in Mesa, Arizona.
I'm an ASU student.
And two quick comments, and then I'll get off.
I saw your images on the computer of the rocket and then the swerving UFO.
And I believe that if these men are shooting at these beings... What images are you referring to, sir?
Well, I went to your website and I saw...
Rockets shooting into the stratosphere and there's something swerving away from it.
Um, what image is that?
Do you know?
Um, I'm not exactly sure.
It's probably the STS-51 image.
Well, yeah, it could be STS-48 or... Well, it was like a space image and it was kind of in green.
And it really struck me.
It's funny because if they're doing that, then they're inadvertently, um, inadvertently risking the lives of a lot of Otherwise, innocent people.
Like us.
Like us.
And then another quick comment is, I worked at Intel last year, and it's really scary because after the Arizona incident, sightings, which I observed myself, inside the bathroom stalls and various parts of the Intel facility, in the fabs, there were posted and definite markers There are actually signs that said procedures of how to
deal with a UFO encounter or sighting.
Can you get copies of that?
Excuse me?
Do you have copies of that?
I actually could do that.
Would you be willing to send all three of us a copy?
Well, I've got Art Bell's website.
That would be great.
I also am not working there now, but I am under contract so I could be returning or
I could visit my former boss.
But it was very interesting to see that.
Alright, if you would please send us copies, would you?
Okay, and just one more thing, when the sightings were seen in Arizona, I saw it myself, and the stars in the background actually disappeared because this object was moving, and it was not.
Alright, well let's talk a little bit about that.
Gentlemen, the Arizona sightings, the Phoenix sightings, there are many, many, many witnesses, and there's quite a bit of Video as well and a lot of the witnesses said that they discerned an absolute solid object What's your take the both of you on what was?
What occurred in Phoenix and surely Phoenix is a giant area?
It was a giant whatever it was and that would have been seen by satellite as well, and I understand there was a coincidence alert at NORAD That's correct.
I went to DEFCON 2 I beg your pardon?
Yeah.
This is, uh, who is this saying this?
This is Ron.
Ron?
We went to DEF CON 2?
That's what I've heard.
It was, uh, the newspapers, I'll send you the newspaper article on that article.
It was also reported in the local newspaper.
An actual, and they... It did say DEF CON 2.
It says they went on alert.
Went on alert.
And where does your information with regard to DEF CON 2 come from?
That comes from a person who would prefer to remain anonymous.
A friend of mine.
Well, I had heard that Cheyenne Mountain went into a lockdown condition.
Yes.
That is correct?
Yes.
Interesting on Cheyenne Mountain.
Why would you think Cheyenne Mountain would go into a lockdown condition for flares?
I'm afraid they're going to melt through a mile of granite.
I have no idea.
They're very hot slayers.
Thermite slayers.
Ron, I think you've got a book, don't you?
Yes, sir.
What is the title of your book?
How to Build a 125 Million Dollar UFO Detector.
And where is it available?
You can get that from...
Send me a check or order it from me and just address it to 8855 Atlanta, Suite 114, Huntington Beach, California, 92646.
Atlanta, Suite 114, Huntington Beach, California, 92646.
Again, that's Ron Regehr, 8855 Atlanta, Box 114, Huntington Beach, 92646.
92646, got it.
Darryl, how about you?
Do you have a book?
Well, I've got a whole group of things from our implant studies as well as... My book is not going to come out for a year, but I have some resource material and other things and it's all on voicemail for those that are interested.
Alright, you have a number?
The voicemail number is 281-587.
5455.
It also has a number on there for people to contact me in reference to their events, and a host of other things for them as well.
281-587-5455.
All right.
Well, I wanted to get that in.
Would you both like to do one more hour and take calls?
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, good.
All right.
Could I mention I'll be speaking at your chat club this May 16th?
You are?
Yes, sir.
Which one?
The one that's at the Learning Light Center, Orange County Chat Club.
No kidding.
He just finished a presentation for us.
Wow.
Very similar to that.
And also, I'll be at the Little Alien.
Oh, up near me.
That's right.
All right, gentlemen.
Hold on.
We'll be right back.
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We have two experts in their respective fields.
Ronald Regeer, who designed spy satellites, knows a lot about them.
And Daryl Sims, who's been investigating abductions, implants, along with Dr. Roger Lear for a long, long time now, and was himself CIA at one time.
And we'll get back to them and your questions in a moment.
We'll try to devote the best part of the hour to your questions.
Once again, back to my guests, Ronald Vegeer and Darrell Sims.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
I have a satellite question.
I've always wanted to know this.
Ron, maybe you can tell me.
Okay.
Do you believe that we have satellites up there now that can literally look through buildings?
Certainly.
Did you say certainly?
Yes.
Not only that, we can tell if somebody was inside the building And has been out of that building for maybe an hour or so.
Oh, now how would you do that?
Infrared signature.
You mean, it remains?
Sure.
You hold a glass in your hand and the heat from your hand transfers into that glass.
And the glass stays warm for a while.
Correct.
And that's one of the ways we were able to find out where Terry Waite was.
I wanted to clarify something on Terry Waite.
I thought about it because in one of my lectures, one of the people thought that maybe everybody had an implant or something like that.
We have, and Daryl will confirm, that we have a lot of ground assets, that's people, and if we were able to, let's say, find Terry Waite, and know where he was, and at the same time have monitoring from space on that area, then let's say we got from our ground assets, the three people left the
particular building and Terry Waite was in the center.
And we could track those three spots, if you will, as they went from one spot to another.
Then we could see who was where and what was left over.
So that's how we did that.
We tracked Terry Waite that way.
It wasn't a matter of any special signal that anybody has.
It was a matter of being able to get corroborative evidence from the ground and then following
It's incredible. Absolutely incredible.
All right, back to the lines.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Ronald Regeer, Daryl Simpson, Art Bell.
Hi.
How are you tonight, Art?
Okay, where are you?
I'm in Utah.
Utah, yes sir.
Actually, I'd like to say I'm not only a first time caller, I'm a first time listener tonight.
Oh, glad you stumbled into us then.
Not typically in a talk radio, but I find your program extremely fascinating.
Well, this is not typical talk radio.
It is not, I can tell you that.
You made a mention earlier to something which I'm surprised you didn't bring up tonight, considering the guests that you had, about a caller that called in about entering Area 51 and wandering around and apparently being deserted.
And you were questioning the movement of Area 51.
Right.
I've never been a real big space alien buff or anything like that, but just from knowledge that I have around here, Being in Utah, I have heard of, and in fact last week somebody mentioned to me in passing in an armory, about the movement of Area 51.
Okay, we'll ask about that right now.
It's a very good point.
I don't believe it, personally.
That is, that it has moved, because I live here in Pahrump, Nevada, and I'm going to tell this story again, but I can assure you that I could get off the air this morning, wait about an hour, hour and a half, Drive not very far, about two or three miles away, and go by a VFW parking lot here, and they will have buses sitting out there, and on the side of the buses, three or four of them, it says, as plain as day, Area 51.
And slowly but surely, wives and relatives will come, and cars will park, and people will get in the buses, and these buses will roll away, Do either one of you gentlemen know the current status of Area 51?
No, I don't personally.
I do know, I think it was Popular Science had an article.
Popular Mechanics.
been there and seen it. So there really is an Area 51. Do either one of you gentlemen
know the current status of Area 51? No, I don't personally.
I do know, I think it was Popular Science had an article, Popular Mechanics several
months ago about the new Area 51 near Green River, Utah. I happen to have a campground at Mobile
Home Park in Moab, which is fairly close by.
And I drove out to that, and that's an old abandoned Nike base.
And there's nothing there.
They were planning on reinstituting that base and using it for testing of the anti-missile missile.
Firing a short-range, intermediate-range missile from that old Nike base down to White Sands and then tracking it from space and also vectoring in patriots.
But that proposal fell through.
So that I think was the start of the rumor.
However, there's a lot of activity just starting up around Wendover.
And I think that has to do with the destruction of some of our stockpiles of biological chemical
weapons.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Um, very good.
Let's, um, let's move on.
I'm going to ask you a question.
I'm going to ask you a question.
Let us proceed.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ronald Regeer, Daryl Simpson, Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
Hi.
This is Leonette from Flagstaff, Arizona.
Yes, ma'am.
And my first question was for Daryl.
He might have some memory of this or knowledge of this.
In 1969, I was working for a radio station in Hawaii.
And the emergency broadcast system was activated.
And from what I was told, it was a nuclear attack alert.
Something on that order.
No one in the station knew what to do.
They all freaked.
And so they did nothing.
And then it was soon after that that they received a message saying that Uh, that it had been a mistake, somebody had put in the wrong tape somewhere on the continental United States.
I remember that.
Okay, and then, after he answers that, I have another question for both of them, but... Alright, well, um, it is a... I also remember that particular incident, and I also was working at a radio station when that occurred, and it scared the hell out of everybody, and they claimed that it was a simple mistake.
I don't know of anything about that, Darryl.
I don't know anything about it.
whatever but there were i know a little bit about it in the work code words that
have to come down to all kinds of things that have to go before the ebs was
activated ebs at that time
and i wonder if there could have been more to that story than we knew
either one of you i don't know of anything about that i thought there are
i don't know anything about it i've heard about it but i don't know any
anything to any of the particular Best we can do.
Sorry, ma'am.
Anything else?
Okay.
The other question I had was for both of them.
I find it kind of a little coincidental that both of you were having phone problems to begin with at the beginning of the show.
So did we.
And that you had to go to other phones.
Art Bell, it's been said before that he was being used for disinformation.
And I'm wondering, is it possible that either one or both of you are part of that disinformation?
Oh, good, good, good question.
Hold on.
It is a good question, you guys.
After all, we've got one guy who was CIA and quit.
We've got another who worked in the spy satellite business who quit.
And a talk show host constantly being accused of being black ops.
Now, how would you guys like to deny it?
First of all, I want to know when I'm going to get paid.
Well, it's probably in cash.
Secret drop point.
I mean, we know how these things work.
Small unmarked bills, I'll take them.
I guess there's no way really to convince anybody that believes that we are.
See, that's what I've concluded.
I've given up on it.
Other than, like anything else in life, check what people do and you'll find out the truth most of the time.
This is true.
I've talked to several people who claim to have alleged Roswell evidence.
I've got two people between me and them.
And the first question out of their mouth was, well, you're ex-CIA, so you're obviously suspect.
I said, look, if I was going to spy on you, I wouldn't tell you up front.
That's got to be the stupidest thing anybody could ever do in the world.
Well, yeah, but I mean, let's play along here for a second.
How do I know, for example, that, in effect, you both aren't black ops and you're using me to spread disinformation here on the air?
How do I know that?
I don't know that, do I?
Well, I don't see how you could actually prove it either one way or the other.
And of course, depending on the mentality of the individuals out there, I'm not a very nervous person about my phones.
This is extremely rare.
Let me make this very clear.
I never have had this problem, Art, until I got on your program.
So I think you're the guy.
It's not me, it's you!
I've never had a problem with my phone until I got on your program.
Every time I get on it, it does this.
I don't know why.
why mhm alright uh... it is it is unfortunately true uh...
and i don't deny it
uh... wildcard line you're on the air with uh... ronald regear and daryl sims
and art bell black ops guy
Yes?
Gus, good morning.
I think I mentioned to you that I worked out in the Marshall Islands at the Kwajalein Missile Range back in 1988.
That was pretty interesting.
Right.
I heard you mention fast computers.
I was with a contractor.
We built the new Mission Control Center out there and installed, I think, the last liquid-cooled
Cray XMP supercomputer, digital VAX systems and all that.
What we built was something like the Center in War Games.
Mission Control had an atomic clock and the supercomputers and all that kind of stuff.
It was pretty interesting.
Now, Art, I know you're into amateur radio.
I am.
Well, one of the islands that I worked on there had a deep space tracking radar.
They called it Altair.
A 150-foot dish.
It was a VHF, deep space tracking radar.
It put out 7.5 megawatts.
How would you like to have a VHF transmitter like that?
Well, I probably wouldn't be around to talk about it right now.
I'd probably be in a cancer ward somewhere.
Yeah, I'll tell you.
We had Russian trawlers that hung around, and legend goes that the Russian trawler got too close to the island, so they aimed this 150-foot dish at it and cranked it up.
That would do it.
It did an about-face.
The sterilized Russians aboard, of course, they had smoke coming out of it.
I heard a rumor about that.
Is that a true story?
It's kind of an island legend.
Of course, it could have happened.
Now, out there, with all of the surveillance gear that we had aimed at the sky, there had to have been things that they saw.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Quadrillion Atoll, but it's the largest coral atoll in the world.
It has a lagoon that's 30 by 60 miles.
And what they would do is they'd fire ICBMs from Vandenberg and then the dummy warheads would land in the lagoon and they'd go out and recover the things.
And of course you had all the telemetry and tracking and all this sort of thing going on.
And I'm sure that as clear as the skies were out there, they had to have seen something.
Well, okay, that really does bring up a good question.
Gentlemen, I guess, Ron, mainly for you, all of these photographs and all of this evidence that they must have, any idea where it might be, how we might ever get to it or get it pried open?
Remember the No Such Agency or NSA?
Yeah.
Yeah, they have admitted to having 279 documents related to UFOs.
They've released two.
Now, let's roll through this again.
NSA has admitted to having 279 documents relating to UFOs and have released to date two.
That's correct.
Where does that information come from?
That was in a lawsuit by Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, or CAUSE, versus the NSA.
CAUSE?
Really?
So, what is the state's secrecy concerning UFOs?
If the other hundred, six hundred and some have not released, if they don't exist, what's the secrecy problem?
What their claim is that revealing these data would show capabilities of some of our intelligence-gathering signals, intelligence-gathering capabilities.
Add to that our intelligence-gathering capabilities in reference to UFOs in particular.
There was a cause Internet item the other night about a UFO tracked by the Royal Air Force, RAF?
Yeah.
Traveling across the Atlantic in our direction, by the way, traveling at first at 17,000 miles per hour.
It claimed two F-16s went up and tried to give chase.
It accelerated to 24,000 miles an hour and must have deflated the egos of the two F-16 jockeys severely.
But that is, and they claim they've got records of it.
And that was a cause report.
Other people doubt that it was a true report.
Do either one of you know?
I have no knowledge of that.
No, I don't.
I have no way to verify that.
Okay, well I keep trying.
Well, we, Dr. Lear and I, at first we do have a Brigadier General that works with us.
And sometimes we do get things verified I've got a theory.
Michael Lindemann has verified his credentials and so on concerning some of the events that
Roger and I have even seen together.
Michael Lindemann has been very helpful in either confirming or knocking things down.
He's a good researcher.
Good man.
He's a good man.
Good people.
Either one of you have thoughts or theories concerning crop circles?
I've got a theory.
I believe some of them are probably hoaxes brought about by RAF squadrons using millimeter
wavelength detectors.
Some of them have the earmarks of inter-squadron hoaxes from the standpoint of increased complexity
and they've got the capability of the aircraft to fly at very high altitudes.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of them were actually caused by the inter-squadron hoaxes.
Uh, bee microwaves will go down because the characteristics of some of the plants is the same as you get with microwaves.
Uh, absolutely correct.
Uh, Dr. Levengood has confirmed that.
Gentlemen, hold on, we'll be right back.
What do you think?
You hearing the real thing, folks?
Or dis-information?
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from May 1st, 1998.
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Counting flowers on the wall, that don't bother me at all.
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Smokin' cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo, now don't tell me, I've nothin' to do.
Last night I dressed in a tailcoat and with eyeballs on the top
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I'm not sure what I was doing here. I'm just going to play the music.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired May 1st, 1998.
Welcome to the program, those of you who join at this hour.
Anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
Who knows?
But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
Well, okay, back to our guests, Ronald Regeer and Daryl Sims.
Gentlemen, you're both back on the air again.
And we are in the stretch run, so, uh, here we go.
First time caller line, you're on the air, good morning.
Hello there on the cellular.
Okay, yeah, I'm here.
Uh, where are you actually?
I'm, uh, well, I just recently started listening to you.
I've moved out of Dallas, out, uh, about 70 miles out of Dallas, Fort Worth area, out in the country, so I've listened to you on the way in now.
Alright, well, what can we do for you?
Should I give any background on that person I was talking about or just come up with a question?
Well, I don't know.
It's up to you.
It's your nickel.
It's over 20 years ago, and I knew an individual.
We worked together in the Gulf of Mexico.
I was an engineer on his boat at that time.
I later became a captain.
He was a charter boat captain down in Florida and an Air Force Preservative Officer.
He had something to do with intelligence.
We were tied up one night out there, it was quiet, we didn't have anywhere to go, and we were playing a game of chess, and I was a UFO buff and read about it all the time, and I just happened to bring it up, and I said, you know, I wonder if those things really exist, because I've read about it, and it seems plausible, it wouldn't seem like this whole universe was created just for us alone, and I'm just really curious, and he got a real far-off look in his eyes, and he said, I know they do.
What are you talking about?
And he says, well, I had taken a photograph, a photographer, into a craft over, I think
he mentioned somewhere in the Midwest, and took pictures.
And he said they took the beings out, and I guess they froze them for dissection later.
He said, but don't say anything about this.
And he got a startled look on his face.
Don't you say anything about this.
I'm still in the reserve.
And I just wonder, is there any, you know, you hear rumors about that sort of thing.
Is there any basis to it?
All right.
Either one of you want to tackle that?
I've just heard the rumors.
I don't have any evidence to support it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Alright, caller?
Okay.
We can't immediately confirm anything for you.
You guys are sounding a little black-oppy to me here lately.
Well, I don't want to make things up, Art.
I know, I know, I know.
I'm just kidding.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Ronald Regeer, Daryl Simms and Art Bell.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Art, two things.
First of all, it's absolutely irrational for anybody to think that you're a black-op because Before you hit the airwaves years back, you know better than I that the American press and media never covered anything on this.
It was meant to be kept from the public.
Why would the government put you on the air to bring all this information?
It's just irrational.
I have an answer for that, I'm afraid.
Okay.
The same answer the people who accuse me would give, and that is, well, I'm here for a very specific purpose, to sort of deliver you slow-release aspirin on the subject until finally you are all prepared for the big news.
I mean, that's what they would say, believe me.
Yeah, but I don't agree with it.
One other thing.
One of you guessed it earlier that there had been reports of some aliens firing upon others.
Back around 1974-75 in the summer, I was at a party.
None of this group drinks at all.
We were breaking up about 3.30 in the morning.
There's a golf course running east to west.
It's about a mile in length.
As we were leaving, we were startled and went into the golf course.
Just the length of the golf course, no further east or west than that, there were curtains of light from the ground up to the sky.
The whitest light that I had ever seen didn't look solid.
gigantic streams of light going up and down we were all frightened uh...
that we were afraid to go home and went back and went back into the house
and with no other way of looking further for this i did the only
thing that i could i consulted the I Ching
just to see if it would say anything and it was very strange
the answer said that what we bore witness to was uh...
a battle between the forces Well, I have no idea what I Ching is.
Oh, it's an ancient Chinese oracle.
It's called the Intellectual's Key to Divination.
It's very sophisticated.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of it, because you have a vast knowledge of metaphysical things.
The I Ching doesn't prove anything, but it's the Carl Wilhelm translation.
It's about 800 pages.
That's not the rough equivalent of those.
I remember when I was a kid, we had these black round balls.
And you'd turn them upside down?
No.
And then a little message would come up in a window and tell you something?
Oh, no, no.
This is very, very high intellectual stuff.
And it doesn't prove anything.
It's just remarkable.
I never forgot that.
And my question would be, apropos your guest saying that aliens have fired upon aliens, does that guest know of any case where these lights were, well, if it's more than lights, it's impossible to describe.
The paper had a blurb the next day that it was the Northern Lights, but I don't believe that.
Do they have any information on any other reasons like that?
On what?
On lights in the sky?
Well, it was like, if you can picture curtains of light... Well, that does sound like, actually, Aurora Borealis.
Curtains of light is typically the way Aurora would be described.
Do you gentlemen have anything beyond that?
I have nothing on that, Darryl.
Um, are you both still there?
I'm still there, this is Rob.
Okay, and Daryl?
Yes, I'm here.
Okay, you're both here.
You don't have anything on that either.
Well, there's a case I investigated just a few weeks ago out in Southern California where a lady and her husband, and this is really strange, and apparently the dog all got picked up and taken somewhere.
The dog comes back pregnant and has I think it's five pups and four of them all look totally different.
And I don't mean little different.
I don't even mean different colored.
I mean like different dogs.
Really?
They're not even close.
Really?
Which was rather interesting.
Anyway, she describes a rather strange curtain-like light that he mentioned.
She said it was like a tear in the sky.
And it was there for a while and then it was gone.
And she said, then something hit me and I fell over.
She said, I think it's lightning.
And she said, but then I went back to the, my husband and I and the dog all go back and get in the little mobile home and sleep till 10 o'clock the next morning in the desert out there.
And the kids wouldn't wake up either.
She said, we don't know what happened.
So this was her story concerning the light.
Interesting.
That is the way they describe Northern Lights.
I used to live in Alaska and they do kind of look like a curtain.
Um, all right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ronald McGeer, Daryl Simms, and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Where are you?
Hi, Art.
This is Terri.
I'm calling from 1560 K NCR Land.
All right.
We'll follow you anywhere.
Glad to see you made it.
Yeah.
Um, listen, this is about an incident that happened back about 1985 between Jacksonville, Florida, and St.
Augustine.
We were heading into St.
Augustine.
Of course we used to sit right out and watch the shots from work, you know.
Sure.
And this happened at night.
We were on our way back into St.
Augustine.
We just passed the bay where you can see the Atlantic.
Real clear night, you know, full of stars, just a few cars on the road.
All of a sudden we see three objects that are falling in a triangular shape.
Right.
And kept falling, and kept falling.
Well, I'm from Eglin Air Force Base.
I'm used to seeing things fall out of the sky.
So, they continued to fall, at the point where we finally pulled over.
This was, you know, about 45 seconds worth to a minute, where you're finally going, wait a minute, this is something strange.
Getting brighter and brighter.
Three cars ahead, our car, one car behind us, all pulled off the road.
Looking up at this object, these three objects.
Right as they got on the horizon, I mean, they couldn't have been more than 500 feet above the water.
Three separate directions.
Just as if within a blink of an eye, one went north, one went south, one went west.
Wow.
Out of sight.
I mean, we're talking, we watched them fall for close to one minute, then totally out of sight in three different directions.
A little odd gravity pull for meteors, I thought.
But as my father would say, he's not allowed to divulge anything he says can or will be held against him.
So, I kind of want to know what Ron and Daryl, if they'd heard many sightings down by the Cape area.
I know over in the Panhandle, I'm really from Destin, so I'm real familiar with it.
Sure.
Well, I would imagine... This was just on the news, again, the good old flare situation.
Sure.
I would imagine, thank you, that...
Anything that would be near the Cape would be very carefully observed, wouldn't it, folks?
Of course, yeah.
We keep a good eye on that.
But I haven't had an opportunity.
My records end at 1992, and I'd have to have a better date than sometime in 1985.
I believe it was 1985 she mentioned.
Is that right, Terry?
I have very nearly given up on taking individual sighting reports.
I really prefer not to do that because more Americans have not have seen something, and it's anecdotal.
Well, the problem I have, and this will give you an idea of the complexity of my research, is that you've seen the science fiction movies where they have the big reel-to-reel tape recorders that stand in six-foot-tall consoles.
Oh, yes.
We have those.
Those are real.
Each one of those tapes takes 15 minutes of data.
And that's about a 7 to 8 inch stack of 11 by 14 printed outs from our satellite readouts.
Wow.
We cut the first 5 minutes and the last 5 minutes off the tape.
It's overlapped with the next tape and the one before it to make sure we don't miss any data.
So that means each tape has 5 minutes of data we look at.
Right.
And you figure out how many tapes we have in each day.
And each one of those tapes resulting in a seven and a half to eight inch stack of printout, then you can get an idea of when we go back to reconstruct, if we didn't get a detection at the time, what we have to wade through.
And that's waded through manually by analysts.
So it's a big task.
So we have to have within maybe ten minutes, if it's a real phenomenal event, to be able to go backtrack later on.
And that's assuming we save the tape.
How many times has our country gone to a significant level of alert that the American public is not aware of?
Every time.
It's always after the fact.
In other words, we are never told about it.
Of course, we know about the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Right.
But I have a feeling there have been a lot of other times.
Oh, yeah.
Most of the time we find out about it from other nations.
This is true.
Or 60 Minutes does a program on it 20 years after the fact.
Right, right.
Alright, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Ronald Brigier, Daryl Sims and Art Bell.
Yes, hello Art.
Hi.
I'd like to ask your guests tonight if our spy satellites are that sophisticated, then why did it take them a couple months to find that down Alright, we'll try and cover all of that if we can.
There was an A-10 aircraft that went down.
I just wanted to see Steven Greer's comment last night about the secret government or
MJ-12s.
Alright, we'll try and cover all of that if we can.
There was an A-10 aircraft that went down.
If our spy satellites are so damn good, how come they didn't find it?
Okay, first off, as I said before, we've got two systems.
We've got the geosynchronous and the elliptical low-Earth orbiters.
Correct.
If the low-Earth orbiter isn't there, it's not going to see it.
The geosynchronous orbit, it may not have had the signature.
There's a lot of air traffic, and we just don't look at airplanes.
Events are targets of interest, so there's no reason we would have looked at it.
Well, Ron, you've been out of it for a while.
they could come up with some pretty good times, but there was no reason at that time to keep
those tapes.
So, until we knew there was a problem, we wouldn't have been keeping the tapes.
Especially since it was continental United States, which doesn't pose a threat at all
to most of us.
Well, Ron, you've been out of it for a while.
Do you feel like you are conversant with the knowledge of what the state of the art is
right now?
are you forced to sort of project?
I'm still in it.
I'm still there.
He's still in it.
Yeah, I'm still in it.
You're still in it, so you don't have to guess at all.
I don't have to guess at all, no.
He just can't tell you.
If I can't tell you, I'll say I couldn't, but you have to guess.
It's just, there's so many aircraft.
Just think of all the aircraft flying around.
We can't, we don't want to try to track all those.
The data would just overwhelm the system.
Well, I have a question for Ron.
Okay.
Was this Warthog, was this, again, was it armed?
As far as I know, it had, I think it was two 500 ton bombs.
That's right.
Okay, that therefore is my question.
My, I'm going to break my code of silence.
If this thing had two 500 pound bombs and was armed to the teeth and heading somewhere and in my opinion was on a direct course to somewhere and probably just in my thinking it was well watched and people did know where it was and I don't know that your particular group had any knowledge of that, probably didn't.
But somebody did, and somebody was loose flying around with these things, and the question is, why was he doing this?
Why did he go out there and why did it take him forever to do this?
Okay, let me add to that.
At the point that he broke away from the group that he was flying with, without permission, surely that group reported that fact.
That would have turned the spotlight on this aircraft and they would have diverted whatever assets they had to begin looking at where it was going.
Isn't that logical?
Certainly.
This is an intelligence problem, is what I'm saying.
They knew all along, and this was not to be reported.
And the question where that craft went down, if anyone out there in the audience will watch and look at that situation carefully, and where it landed, and why, and the location, Everything.
You'll come up with a story that will, I assure you, be equal to something that the intelligence community has.
You know more about this than you can say?
Well, I could tell you, but I'd have to kill Ron.
Or at least break his arm.
No, I really believe that.
Does not need to be left alone.
There was some very important reason that pilot did what he did, and went to the place he went.
And if you'll look at that situation carefully, you'll find that there's a lot of knowledge there.
Some of the finest minds, believe it or not, don't work for the United States government.
Some of the finest people out there are listening to your program, and they can themselves, with the same data, the same information, Have access to all kinds of things and can come up with some pretty brilliant ideas.
You don't have to work for the government to have a GS rating to be able to think.
A lot of these people can if they just have the data or know where to go get it.
Well, I'll tell you, we could do hours and hours and hours on this kind of thing.
Yes.
But we can't because, at least not this night, because it's coming to a close, the program that is.
I want to thank both of you and I want to have both of you back.
Wonderful.
So, for now, great service, guys.
I hope neither one of you said anything that's going to get you even maimed.
Well, could Ron plug his book one more time?
It's a fabulous book.
I've got it myself.
It's a wonderful book.
Plug away.
Yeah, $20 plus $3 shipping and handling.
Order it from Ron Regehr, Research Investigations, 8855 Atlanta, 114 Huntington Beach, California, 92646.
Good enough.
I hope you sell a gazillion of them.
Thank you both.
Thank you.
Good night.
Good night.
Alright, that's it folks.
Boy, wasn't that interesting.
Alright, we'll do it again.
For now, I'm sorry we're out of time.
If you get it, I'll see you Sunday on Dreamland.
If not, Monday night, Tuesday morning.
Goodnight.
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