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You, what Bruce Wallace sent me. | |
All right? | ||
Bruce Wallace, the real-life Jerry Fletcher and ghostwriter, he says, of conspiracy theory, is here tonight to share his true life story about the making of this movie and the real conspiracy the CIA censored from his original manuscripts. | ||
Going back several years, Bruce joined the Marines in 1974. | ||
But prior to his enlistment, friends of the family, CIA agents from MKUltra, had arranged for Bruce to go into administrative intelligence and operational communications. | ||
At boot camp, Bruce was sent before a board that included these agents and others who asked him what he wanted to do in the Marines. | ||
Bruce said, espionage to spy against the East Germans and Soviets. | ||
After signing security agreements, secrecy agreements, the board told Bruce he'd be going into a secret unit, which for reasons of national security no longer existed. | ||
They said East Germans posing as U.S. Marines had infiltrated the classified communication centers at Camp Pendleton, Sink PAC Fleet headquarters in Hawaii and elsewhere, and it would be Bruce's job to assist in the identification of double agents. | ||
They explained the program was designed so he would never fully understand the entire picture. | ||
But over the following months and years, Bruce Wallace did uncover the whole picture. | ||
Tonight, you'll find out what Bruce Wallace knows and what they don't want you to know. | ||
That's what you'll find out tonight. | ||
And I have instructions from Bruce upon his hitting the air, so let's try it. | ||
My question is, Bruce, can you tell me what the weather was like in Omaha today? | ||
It was clear and warm, a nice day for a swim. | ||
I can't hear you, Bruce. | ||
It was clear and warm. | ||
I hear your answer. | ||
Clear and warm. | ||
A nice day for a swim. | ||
Are you there? | ||
Right. | ||
Okay, something's wrong with your phone, Bruce. | ||
Are you on a speakerphone? | ||
Is that better? | ||
Yeah, you've got to get on a real phone, Bruce. | ||
Well, I okay, I think this should do it. | ||
It's better now, yes. | ||
Okay. | ||
You gave me your answer. | ||
I asked a question. | ||
Why did I ask that question and why did I get that answer? | ||
Well, basically what we're dealing with here is it's a couple of different reasons. | ||
Basically, it's a passcode to make sure that you're who you are and I'm who I am. | ||
Oh! | ||
And besides that, these are operational passcodes used in MKUltra to this day basically to prompt people that have been through this conditioning to be able to speak cogently about whatever subject the person interviewing or interrogating them is talking about. | ||
So you're telling me I just gave you a subliminal message? | ||
Well, it's not subliminal to me because I'm aware of it, but I was just using it for demonstrative pur purposes to show you. | ||
I understand. | ||
All right, look, in this which you sent me, you indicate you are the real-life Jerry Fletcher. | ||
Now, you also indicate that you're the ghostwriter of conspiracy theory. | ||
That's correct. | ||
Now, how can you prove that? | ||
Well, beyond any doubt, I've got my copyrights and WGA, that's Writers Guild of America registrations, dated far before the copyrights that are registered on the movie. | ||
My script is the foundation for that movie, and there's literally verbatim plagiarism, scene after scene, character after character. | ||
If that's true, you should be able to go to a court and prove it. | ||
Well, that's an option. | ||
It's an option. | ||
I mean, you said verbatim. | ||
Well, if it's verbatim and you can prove when you wrote what you wrote, there should be no option about it. | ||
You should be going after them. | ||
Well, there's different ways to win a war, and I think it's I've got plenty of time to exercise that option, but I'm relying on other tactics before then. | ||
Mm-hmm. | ||
When you first... | ||
When you sent me the first facts, you said, if you're unable to reach me due to my death or disappearance, you'll please contact following people and tell them to be careful, and you list five people here. | ||
Why should those people suddenly have to be careful? | ||
Why should those people be notified if you're dead? | ||
Well, because they need to be careful, because they know. | ||
It's kind of, I guess an analogy might be, and without getting political, but might be something like on Vince Foster case. | ||
All right, I saw conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson. | ||
I saw that movie. | ||
And I saw the character in that movie. | ||
Is that an accurate or even close to accurate portrayal of you? | ||
It's highly accurate. | ||
In that movie, Mel Gibson was shown locking doors three, four, five times over, going through very specific motions every day because he was so wrapped up in so many conspiracy theories that he'd virtually gone off the deep end. | ||
Is that you? | ||
Well, basically, at times, more so in the past, going through a resolving process on this, some of those behaviors would be classified as an obsessive-compulsive disorder. | ||
That's right. | ||
But sometimes you can have an obsession. | ||
It can be a wanted obsession. | ||
And it can be, if you're in a special line of work or a certain career background, then certain behaviors like that can help you live longer. | ||
Do you think your life was in direct danger? | ||
Well, it still is. | ||
It still is. | ||
The first person on the list there, and I won't name names. | ||
Yeah, please don't. | ||
And by the way, to your benefit, I should tell the audience, in the original bio that you sent me, you named names. | ||
In this effect you sent me, you named names, and you were perfectly willing to go on and name names. | ||
I'm the one who asked you not to do that. | ||
So the audience ought to know that you were perfectly willing to name names. | ||
I'm the one who stopped you for legal reasons. | ||
All right? | ||
Okay. | ||
Right. | ||
So basically, I think the first person on the list there, if I remember, is a professional ninja. | ||
And he's a friend of mine and an instructor that I've got some assistance on over the years on this. | ||
But basically, being associated with people like, let's call him Bob, that's another way that you put your own team together or you become part of a team and you stick around long enough to talk about this as compared to people like Colonel Sabo, | ||
Admiral Borda, most recently Colonel Danto, who died about two weeks ago when he was assisting on this whole project. | ||
You're telling me these people's deaths were not natural? | ||
That's correct. | ||
Now, when you say project, you mean MKUltra. | ||
Is that correct? | ||
Yes. | ||
What was, or I guess you're saying, is MKUltra? | ||
Well, it's a mind control brainwashing program used in special forces in the various places, including the U.S. military, to get people basically to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. | ||
To jail? | ||
Yes. | ||
That's one thing. | ||
And you're alleging that this program not only went on, we heard that they did horrible things to people. | ||
I believe that's well known. | ||
They gave them LSD, all that kind of thing, way back when. | ||
But you're now saying this is still going on. | ||
You're telling me they're programming people to kill now? | ||
That's correct. | ||
If that's really true, then your life is in danger. | ||
Well, I'm not too worried about it. | ||
Why? | ||
Because if you run scared or if you get worried, you panic and you lose your composure, and that's what they want. | ||
And you make mistakes. | ||
Right. | ||
Like this evening, we went down the street to a fast food restaurant, and on the way back, we were going through an intersection on the green light, and there wasn't heavy traffic or anything, but a vehicle came along and just blatantly ran a red light in an attempt to ram my car. | ||
Well, then you are, I repeat, even though you say you're not because you've not made a mistake, that's a close call. | ||
That's a close call. | ||
Yeah, and that's happened. | ||
I guess I won't name names on this, but see this... | ||
Please don't. | ||
This whole project has gone... | ||
Well, I wrote a book about this, and I've got a quote from somebody on the front of my book, and I think it would be safe to name that person, Well, it's self-published. | ||
So it is, but it is published. | ||
Right, and I've been, actually, I've even been selling it. | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
But this person says, Bruce and I sent the CID into Hollywood with the script. | ||
First-time callers, area 702-727-1222. | ||
All right. | ||
Yeah, I'd just as soon not mention names if we can avoid it. | ||
An ex-FBI agent, how about that? | ||
Okay. | ||
Now, you said Project Phoenix. | ||
MG Ultra Phoenix. | ||
Project Phoenix, that's, as I recall, a very old project which folded way back into the Vietnam War. | ||
That's correct. | ||
Project, including assassination. | ||
The Phoenix program, Phoenix Project. | ||
And you're saying not only MKUltra, which is mind control, but Phoenix, which is the assassination part of it, all are still active. | ||
Of course they are. | ||
Well, that isn't what our government says. | ||
Well, you can't always trust what our government says. | ||
How old are you now? | ||
I'm forty-two. | ||
Forty-two. | ||
And how long have you been living this life? | ||
Well, um, actually since I was about four years old. | ||
Since you were four? | ||
Right. | ||
And I mean, it goes way back. | ||
Um, my aunt, my mom's sister was murdered by a certain agency because she was discovered drug running in the government. | ||
And I remember when the car pulled up from, we were in Northern California and the car pulled up, her car pulled up to the house, and I knew something was wrong. | ||
There was a little bit of blood on the seat, just dried blood. | ||
I remember seeing it, and I'm talking about whether they could get the bloodstains out. | ||
It was a small amount, but the story was she was shot in the head while she was driving over 100 miles an hour trying to get away from people that were chasing her. | ||
Well, if that was true, then she would have wrecked the car, and there would have been blood all over the place. | ||
But that's a long story in itself. | ||
Well, why, all right, then why your family? | ||
Why you? | ||
Why? | ||
Well, it's sort of a family tradition. | ||
I mean, it goes even back further to that. | ||
An ancestor of mine was. | ||
Yeah, but these are not typical family traditions. | ||
I mean, there's got to be a reason why your family. | ||
Well, I've got one relative that was Vice President of the United States. | ||
Then the Dean of Cairo University, another person. | ||
Then the friends of the family, like a couple of people, like, you know, I mentioned in that information to you, and you say don't mention names. | ||
Well, you look, for example, a vice president. | ||
You're related to a vice president, one who? | ||
Henry Wallace. | ||
Henry Wallace. | ||
Correct. | ||
So that's a long time ago. | ||
Right. | ||
So, I mean, we're talking about this goes way back, even before I was born, well before I was born. | ||
But basically, I mean, even before him. | ||
All right. | ||
For the sake of the conversation, I'm going to say, fine, all right, all that's true. | ||
And somebody's trying to kill you. | ||
How do you maintain any kind of life now? | ||
You can't. | ||
Obviously, you can't go through a routine. | ||
You can't go to work every day at the same time. | ||
You can't take the same path. | ||
I could barely leave your apartment. | ||
If they wanted you dead, you'd be dead. | ||
How do you live? | ||
Well, it's difficult. | ||
And they don't just ruin your life with the narco-hypnosis, the torture, and the mind control things that get you to do certain things at certain times. | ||
They ruin your life financially. | ||
Well, we'll get to that, but let me back up to the torture part. | ||
In the movie with Gibson, they showed the typical interrogation, the horrible interrogation, the eyes taped wide open, that kind of thing. | ||
Has that ever happened to you? | ||
Yeah. | ||
It has. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They use tape and they use these things. | ||
They're like monocles without glass in them. | ||
How did you get away from that? | ||
Or did you not? | ||
I mean, did you, in other words, how are you here talking to me and everybody else about all of this tonight? | ||
How are you able to be doing that? | ||
Well, it's a lot of things. | ||
Like it comes back to, you know, being part of a good team. | ||
And some of the people on my team are, you know, they switch back and forth sometimes. | ||
But for example, you know, we're calling Bob the ninja and the network he's involved with. | ||
There's him, and then there's, I guess you might, you know, they say there's no atheists in foxholes. | ||
That's what they say. | ||
And there's, you know, combat intelligence, and this would probably fall in that category. | ||
And if you run scared, you know, we already talked about that. | ||
So where do I go? | ||
I go right up to the front line. | ||
I live between two Marine Corps air bases. | ||
And I mean, right between them. | ||
Well, you know, a mile away on each side. | ||
And if you just go right up to, and I'm not trying to say anything against the Marines. | ||
I'm a, you know, I'm a former Marine myself. | ||
There are bad elements in the CIA and the Marine Corps that are that are running this whole thing. | ||
Basically, it leads back to drug smuggling in the Marines and CIA. | ||
In MKUltra in Phoenix, there was killing. | ||
Have you killed? | ||
Well. | ||
I'll tell you what. | ||
I'll give you a chance to think about that answer. | ||
I wouldn't answer right away either. | ||
Hold on. | ||
We'll be back in a moment. | ||
We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour. | ||
My guest is Bruce Wallace, who alleges he is the real life Jerry Fletcher from Conspiracy Theory. | ||
I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM. | ||
Back now to Bruce Wallace. | ||
Bruce, the question was, and you can choose not to answer it, if you have ever, as a result of being conditioned, killed. | ||
Well, let me start by answering that by saying going back to 1975, I was ordered by the Sergeant of the Guard at 1st FSR, Camp Pendleton, to open fire on other Marines for dubious reasons. | ||
What does that mean? | ||
Well, part of a cover-up, there was you mentioned the comm centers, the top secret comm centers earlier. | ||
There were leaks here and there, and to cover those leaks up, at certain times, certain people would be eliminated, and they would use reactionary to do that. | ||
That's like a Marine Corps SWAT team. | ||
Like I would be put on reactionary and called out on a reactionary call or SWAT call and ordered to open fire. | ||
And they dress it up as some kind of a disturbance on base. | ||
But basically, it's good Marines taking out bad Marines and bad Marines taking out good Marines with the CIA mixed in for various reasons to control the flow of bogus and real top secret. | ||
A lot of people, you know, I'm getting email here. | ||
A lot of people think you're out of your mind, crazy. | ||
Well, that's fine because I already covered that and I knew that would happen. | ||
So I just, you know, disclosed everything in my script, including the fact that I was framed and I've documented that in my book. | ||
How many attempts have been made on your life? | ||
Framed has been insane. | ||
Several times. | ||
I mean, it's like I stopped counting. | ||
so then how do you even have a life bruce in other words how do you how i How do you conduct any normal activities? | ||
How do you live? | ||
How do you work? | ||
How do you derive an income? | ||
How do you sustain yourself? | ||
Well, a lot of times I don't derive an income. | ||
I'm deep in debt right now just from working on this for the past 25 years. | ||
And I've finally got it to the point where I've got an audience that can help do something about getting the whole problem resolved. | ||
And there could be an economic payoff for me in it. | ||
And I'm not afraid to say that I'm, you know, that would help me out a lot in this continuing battle. | ||
What do you mean by that is to sell your book? | ||
Well, that's one way. | ||
And I'd like to also get funding to get the movie done right. | ||
Get it out of the censorship. | ||
Get it done right? | ||
Out of censorship. | ||
Well, now I asked you a little bit earlier if it accurately depicted what you claim is your life, the movie with Mel Gibson, and you said yes. | ||
Well, but they cut certain things out and they replace it with other things. | ||
Like, it's not, this isn't a conspiracy to shut down NASA. | ||
It's a conspiracy to stop drug running. | ||
And it's a conspiracy to murder anybody that tries to stop the drug running, like the drugs coming into the airbase right next to my house. | ||
Call the wildcard lines. | ||
Area 702-727-1295. | ||
No, no, no. | ||
Well, I just wanted to give you an example. | ||
Okay, let's give me an example by saying a colonel. | ||
Don't give me his name. | ||
He's been on the front page of the paper, so. | ||
Nevertheless. | ||
Go ahead. | ||
Nevertheless, it doesn't matter. | ||
A colonel. | ||
A colonel. | ||
What? | ||
A colonel was at a party at a friend's house of mine down in Newport Beach with his sisters, and they were talking about how these drug flights were coming into the airbase here. | ||
And he said he was going to go public with it. | ||
And he was telling a friend of mine that's an insider on this whole Phoenix thing, this, and other people there. | ||
And then he, shortly after that, he was dead. | ||
And so the way they clean it up, the CIA cleans it up by saying that he was making unauthorized use of aircraft. | ||
And they say, so he went out and killed himself because he got caught using airplanes he shouldn't have been. | ||
A ridiculous stand. | ||
Does it get to the point for you where just about everything, you think of everything as a conspiracy? | ||
Or would you suggest that everything virtually is? | ||
Well, yeah, in one sense that's true, but other times I just forget about it. | ||
And to sort of a combination, you have to block the whole thing out to keep your sanity. | ||
But let me ask you something. | ||
Sure. | ||
I need to ask you how you wound up with this Midnight Express as you're apparently some kind of theme song you use on the radio. | ||
Well, I'll tell you what. | ||
I'll be glad to answer it for you. | ||
And I will answer it for you. | ||
But what do you think? | ||
Well, I studied something called synchronicity in graduate school. | ||
That's the correlation of seemingly unrelated events. | ||
And the reason I mentioned Midnight Express is because that's something, that is some of the music that's used by the 306th SIOP Battalion, which I was part of at Los Al Armed Forces Reserve Center right up the road, plus the 4th SIOP Company up in Sacramento. | ||
I was in the Army and the Marines. | ||
What is it about that music, and why would they use it? | ||
To what end? | ||
It's like a switch. | ||
It's a trigger. | ||
It's a post-hypnotic suggestion to get people to do things. | ||
For example, people talk about, you know, on a wide scale, how are you going to get UN troops, American troops, to fire on American troops? | ||
Well, you brainwash them, you take three days, you keep them awake at camp San Luis Obispo or somewhere else, like they did with me and a lot of other people I could name right now. | ||
Does that do anything for you? | ||
Well, that's the music. | ||
That's the music. | ||
And when you call tonight, you might remember I had it on, too. | ||
well fine then I'm going to answer your question but you're um Not very long ago, there was an article done about me that was passed about all over the internet that said that I'm black ops. | ||
I am black ops. | ||
And that what happens with me and my show is no accident. | ||
That a lot of my guests or do come to public harm or harm, but I never do. | ||
And suggested that I am black ops myself. | ||
Now, I can imagine with the way you feel about my theme song that you might imagine the same thing. | ||
Do you? | ||
No, not really. | ||
It's something that you have to flash on for a second, but there's... | ||
That would imply that at some point in my life, I had been conditioned. | ||
Well, you were in the military and communications, weren't you? | ||
I was in the military. | ||
I was a medic in the military. | ||
I thought it was communications. | ||
No, I've been in communications all my life. | ||
I was a medic in the military. | ||
Anyway, the point is, listen to me now, and I'll tell you how I chose that, all right? | ||
Okay. | ||
I was going to do a show at a radio station in Las Vegas, and it was my first night on the job, and I sat down for about a half a day trying to think of what would be an appropriate theme for a show, an all-night show. | ||
And I simply decided on Midnight Express because I had enjoyed the movie, because the title seemed relevant, and because the music I thought was appropriate. | ||
So unless somebody had my eyes taped open and gave me the old MK Ultra treatment, there's nothing more than that, Bruce, behind it. | ||
Well, I'm not saying there is, but I just, you know, I just wanted to, it was just one of these synchronistic coincidences that I wanted to bring up. | ||
There's a lot of people that are listening to this right now that know that that song was blasted on loudspeakers, and I think maybe still is at Camp Slow and other places. | ||
I've never heard that. | ||
Well, you know that to be true? | ||
Well, I bet my life on it. | ||
I have to bet my life on it. | ||
Well, apparently, according to you, you are betting your life on a lot of things, and it seems to me that you're here very tenuously. | ||
That means you're going to have to live the rest of your life in abject fear of somebody assassinating you, looking over your shoulder every minute. | ||
Well, it's an automatic thing. | ||
It's kind of like just it becomes second nature after a while. | ||
But we're not just talking about MK-Ultra Phoenix. | ||
We're also talking about MK-Ultra Prometheus. | ||
And that's what that Prometheus is a lot of things, including some of this. | ||
And it gets nutty, nutty sounding maybe, but everything from weather control to how you're going to get American slash UN troops to open up on other Americans if and when that time. | ||
Yeah, but you know what I've heard? | ||
I've heard that's all baloney. | ||
That there was a questionnaire that was supposedly circulated in the 29 Palms area, somewhere down there, about opening, would you open fire on American troops, asking them these questions. | ||
But in fact, it turned out to be some captain's private college project and had nothing to do with any official government questionnaire. | ||
How about that? | ||
It doesn't matter. | ||
that's disinformation. | ||
How about that? | ||
It doesn't matter. | ||
That's disinformation. | ||
The point is, it is a question that everybody has. | ||
Will UN troops fire on Americans? | ||
And will Americans fire on Americans? | ||
And yes, they will. | ||
They'll do anything that they're conditioned to do. | ||
Through, you know, I was assistant team leader at the 306 SIUP Battalion. | ||
Call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255. | ||
Well, I wish I could. | ||
I wish you'd let me. | ||
Well, I can't. | ||
I'm not going to because of problems with legal problems. | ||
I'm not going to do it. | ||
I got my job there because I documented that I was from Phoenix, MKUltra, and then I got in there to work on something that needed to be done requested by the CIA through one of our embassies over in the Philippines. | ||
We're targeting Corazino Aquino. | ||
And we put together a comic book because the Philippine people read comic books like we watch the news. | ||
That is true. | ||
That is true. | ||
So comic books, radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, movies, movies like Conspiracy Theory, movies like Amazon Hollywood. | ||
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because Joseph just sent an email and it says, you know, with all due respect, I think your guest has seen too many movies. | ||
Now you can respond to that. | ||
I don't see very many movies. | ||
I don't go to the movies. | ||
You don't? | ||
No. | ||
I don't. | ||
I just I mean, maybe maybe once a year. | ||
uh... | ||
i would imagine a movie a movie house would be a dangerous place for you | ||
Well life is dangerous in general, but um basically I mean the the reason like you know Colonel you know so-and-so Williams is dead now as of two weeks ago is be because he went on videotape three years ago. | ||
He had just given me a sodium pinothol exam documenting all this and that he someone came in, an investigative reporter came in and I'll just call him Tony and he videotaped Colonel so-and-so on videotape, you know, got him on videotape saying that he is the inventor of MKUltra. | ||
It was taken away from him by the CIA. | ||
So I tracked down this guy and got him to get me to where I could think straight about this whole thing. | ||
Now Danto's dead because two weeks ago I met with this investigative reporter again in a studio where we were finishing another video and Tony, quote unquote, Tony pulled out a quote of Danto and he said, Bruce is the real McCoy on this and this is who I am. | ||
He said who he was. | ||
Can you understand why people would doubt your story, why people would think you're crazy for what you're saying? | ||
I can, but I mean, they can see the video if they want. | ||
They can see Colonel so-and-so sitting there, and they can't say he's crazy. | ||
Now, his obituary says that he was a death investigator, and it says his partner is a former San Diego sheriff, but it doesn't say his partner was CIA, and it doesn't say that Colonel so-and-so was special forces. | ||
And so they, but it's easily documented. | ||
So, all right, if I've got this straight, then, the grand overall conspiracy you're suggesting is drugs. | ||
Yeah, to cover up drug running. | ||
To cover up drug running. | ||
Right. | ||
And you're suggesting that drugs are coming in on a regular basis to U.S. Air Force bases and so forth and distributed from there. | ||
Attention for the Marine Corps because they're the finest. | ||
Nobody will look at them, especially the ordinary units as opposed to the Special Forces units. | ||
If all you were saying was true, then your life for doing what you're doing right now wouldn't be worth two cents. | ||
I mean, fine, you can talk about something that happened a long time ago, and one can imagine being public would make you safe. | ||
But if what you're really saying on national radio right now is true, your life wouldn't be worth a plug-nickel. | ||
Well, okay, I'll change the names, but ask CID agent Mike Wilson, who was my next-door neighbor up until just recently. | ||
I called up special agent, let's change his name to Heath from the NCIS, right down the road from here. | ||
Called up Master Sergeant, let's call him Pena from the Marines, CID. | ||
And I said, get this guy out of my face. | ||
He was here to harass me, and he's back in his white government cruiser into his space right next to mine, right outside my front door. | ||
They put him right next to me. | ||
And I even called up the local police, and I said, I want you to work with the local military to get this guy out of here. | ||
And incredibly, they got him out. | ||
I tell you what I'm going to do. | ||
I went to him and I said, I told him about this, and he said, well, let's go out and tell me when the next flight comes in, and we'll go out and bust them. | ||
I got you. | ||
All right, listen to me, Bruce. | ||
Here's what I'm going to do. | ||
I'm going to end the interview now. | ||
I'm going to get in touch with some of the names you've supplied me already. | ||
Fax me any other real names and contact numbers that you want. | ||
I will get in touch with those people. | ||
If they verify what you're saying, I'll bring you back on the air again. | ||
How's that? | ||
That's fine. | ||
Is that fair? | ||
Yeah, could I end this by saying real quick. | ||
Two days ago, I had a meeting with a major studio in Hollywood. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And the CIA was in that meeting. | ||
And that's my whole. | ||
I mean, I can name the names. | ||
I'll give you the names. | ||
I know you name names. | ||
So you send me the names. | ||
I'll do the checking. | ||
I'll have you back on, all right? | ||
Okay, can we... | ||
Well, next time around, after I've checked, we'll have you back on soon if what you say is accurate. | ||
We'll be right back. | ||
I have to be lonely here of what I am. | ||
What happened? | ||
Easier on the air, huh? | ||
Boy, I tell you, I happen to know that that last caller. | ||
You mean the guest? | ||
Yeah, that last guest. | ||
He was right on. | ||
You think so, huh? | ||
Well, I know so from personal experience. | ||
In what... | ||
Here we go. | ||
So, in what way do you know? | ||
Don't name names or I'm leaping you up. | ||
Believe me, I'm not going to name names. | ||
Not that the names I could name would mean much to you, but I was on the distribution end of certain commodities. | ||
Drugs. | ||
Well, you know, I won't even go so far as to confirm that. | ||
Let's just leave it with with some inference. | ||
The distribution end. | ||
You were. | ||
Yes. | ||
Now, do you mean to say you received bulk quantities that you saw shipped in, or do you part of the distribution chain, what? | ||
Yes, of certain controlled substances. | ||
No, which is it? | ||
You were part of the chain or you actually received the large quantities? | ||
The person I worked with received the quantities. | ||
And we prepared them. | ||
At any rate, for example, during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, there's a certain commodity that they distribute, that they produce in that country. | ||
The Mujahideen rebels needed weaponry. | ||
They don't have money to pay for it. | ||
They're a bunch of goat herders in the mountains. | ||
I know. | ||
So what they have is a commodity that can be marketed on the American streets. | ||
So they make a deal. | ||
You fight the Russians, we'll give you the weapons. | ||
You give us something we can make money with. | ||
The same thing at that point, when that fizzled out, the commodity transferred to a certain South American country. | ||
So you don't think this guy was crazy at all? | ||
No, Arlen. | ||
I can assure you he wasn't during the Panama during the Contra gamble Well, there was another commodity that my friend was dealing with. | ||
And I know damn well a bunch of the pilots who flew troops and arms down to Nicaragua came back with drugs. | ||
There's no question about that. | ||
I never understood that it was an officially sanctioned thing. | ||
Well, officially sanctioned on what level? | ||
That's the question. | ||
You know, you want to talk about official sanction. | ||
You have to decide. | ||
I always thought it was flight crews myself. | ||
No, no, it was bigger than that. | ||
It was far more organized than that. | ||
And then, of course. | ||
Well, you can't reject that. | ||
I don't reject that entirely as a possibility. | ||
Of course, it could be. | ||
Yeah, and well, the other thing was that, I mean, there were three separate countries that we were involved with militarily on a so-called freedom fighters front. | ||
In all those instances, there was a commodity marketed on the streets of this country to the people of this country that was brought in, delivered to federal penitentiaries. | ||
Good lord. | ||
Picked up at late-hour guard shifts and then distributed to the rest of the country. | ||
Well, all right. | ||
Let me hit you, no pun intended, with the same question that a lot of people hit this guy with, even if you choose to believe his story, if they wanted they, in quotes, wanted him dead or wanted you dead after 25 years, you wouldn't be on the phone with me. | ||
No, no problem. | ||
It wouldn't be a problem. | ||
No, that'd be easy. | ||
That's an easy thing. | ||
Well, then why would you allow this to be aired? | ||
Why would you allow somebody like Bruce or yourself or, and I'm speaking now from the they perspective, to open your mouths? | ||
Well, first of all, I'm no longer involved in it, and I'm sure he isn't. | ||
And my part in it was. | ||
Yeah, but he was saying it's still going on. | ||
Oh, yeah, it's still going on. | ||
Read a book called Dope Incorporated. | ||
All right, I appreciate your call. | ||
So see, you see what kind of response I'm getting. | ||
Yes, sir. | ||
Where are you? | ||
In West Memphis, Arkansas. | ||
Okay, welcome to the program. | ||
In response to the conspiracy years we're talking about earlier, I didn't hear all of it. | ||
Consider a scenario in World War II, the United States government cut a deal with organized crime and the invasion of Sicily, the OSS in particular. | ||
Later on, the Central Intelligence Agency was formed from the former OSS. | ||
So you don't necessarily disbelieve all of that? | ||
No, not at all. | ||
These intelligence agents already had connections with organized crime. | ||
Later comes a president and an attorney general that try to rein it in. | ||
Guess what happens to the president? | ||
Yeah, I hear you. | ||
And I appreciate the call. |