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April 16, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Bruce Wallace - Conspiracy Theory Movie
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You, what Bruce Wallace sent me.
All right?
Bruce Wallace, the real-life Jerry Fletcher and ghostwriter, he says, of conspiracy theory, is here tonight to share his true-life story about the making of this movie and the real conspiracy the CIA censored from his original manuscripts.
Going back several years, Bruce joined the Marines in 1974.
But prior to his enlistment, friends of the family, CIA agents from MKUltra had arranged for Bruce to go into administrative intelligence and operational communications.
At boot camp, Bruce was sent before a board that included these agents and others who asked him what he wanted to do in the Marines.
Bruce said, espionage to spy against the East Germans and Soviets.
After signing security agreements, secrecy agreements, the board told Bruce he'd be going into a secret unit which for reasons of national security no longer existed.
They said East Germans posing as U.S.
Marines had infiltrated the classified communications centers at Camp Pendleton Sink Pack Fleet headquarters in Hawaii and elsewhere.
And it would be Bruce's job to assist in the identification of double agents.
They explained the program was designed so he would never fully understand the entire picture.
But over the following months and years, Bruce Wallace did uncover the whole picture.
Tonight, you'll find out what Bruce Wallace knows and what they don't want you To know.
That's what you'll find out tonight.
And I have instructions from Bruce upon his hitting the air, so let's try it.
My question is, Bruce, can you tell me what the weather was like in Omaha today?
It was clear and warm.
A nice day for a swim.
I can't hear you, Bruce.
It was clear and warm.
I hear your answer.
Clear and warm.
A nice day for a swim.
Are you there?
Right.
Okay, something's wrong with your phone, Bruce.
Are you on a speakerphone?
Is it better?
Yeah, you've got to get on a real phone, Bruce.
Okay, I think this should do it.
It's better now, yes.
Okay.
You gave me your answer.
I asked a question.
Why did I ask that question and why did I get that answer?
Well, basically what we're dealing with here is a couple of different reasons.
Basically, it's a passcode to make sure that you're who you are and I'm who I am.
Oh!
And besides that, these are operational passcodes used in MKUltra to this day, basically to So you're telling me I just gave you a subliminal message?
to speak cogently about whatever subject the person interviewing or interrogating them
is talking about. So you're telling me I just gave you a subliminal message? It's not subliminal
to me because I'm aware of it, but I was just using it for demonstrative purposes to show
I understand.
Alright, look, in this which you sent me, you indicate you are the real life Gary Fletcher.
Now, you also indicate that you're the ghostwriter of conspiracy theory.
That's correct.
Now, how can you prove that?
Well, beyond any doubt, I've got my copyrights in WGA, that's Writers Guild of America registrations, dated far before the copyrights that are registered on the movie.
My script is the foundation for that movie and there's literally verbatim plagiarism If that's true you should be able to go to a court and
prove it.
Well, that's an option.
I mean it's an option.
You said verbatim.
Well, I know.
If it's verbatim and you can prove when you wrote what you wrote there should be no option
about it.
You should be going after them.
Well, there are different ways to win a war.
I think I've got plenty of time to exercise that option but I'm relying on other tactics
before then.
When you sent me the first fax you said if you're unable to reach me due to my death
or disappearance you'll please...
Please contact the following people and tell them to be careful, and you list five people here.
Why should those people suddenly have to be careful?
Why should those people be notified if you're dead?
Well, because they need to be careful, because they know.
It's kind of, I guess an analogy might be, without getting political, but might be something like a Vince Foster case.
Alright, I saw.
conspiracy theory with mel gibson i saw that movie and i saw
the character in that movie is is that
and accurate or even close to accurate portrayal entirely accurate
in that in that movie uh...
mel gibson was shown locking doors uh... three four or five times over
going through of very specific motions every day uh...
because he was so wrapped up in so many conspiracy theories uh... that he'd be virtually going off the deep end
and you.
Is that you?
Well, basically, at times.
More so in the past.
Going through a resolving process on this.
Some of those behaviors would be classified as an obsessive compulsive disorder.
That's right.
Sometimes you can have an obsession.
It can be a wanted obsession.
If you're in a special line of work or a certain career background then certain behaviors like that can Do you think your life was in direct danger?
Well, it still is.
The first person on the list there, and I won't name names.
Yeah, please don't.
And by the way, to your benefit, I should tell the audience, in the original bio that you sent me, you named names.
In this fax you sent me, you named names and you were perfectly willing to go on and name names.
I'm the one who asked you not to do that.
So, the audience ought to know that you were perfectly willing to name names.
I'm the one who stopped you for legal reasons.
Alright?
Okay.
Right.
So, basically, I think the first person on the list there, if I remember, is a professional ninja.
He's a friend of mine and an instructor that I've got some assistance on over the years on this.
Basically, being associated with people, let's call him Bob, that's another way that you put your own team together, become part of a team.
You stick around long enough to talk about this, as compared to people like Colonel Sabo, Admiral Borda, most recently Colonel Danto, who died about two weeks ago when he was assisting on this whole project.
You're telling me these people's deaths were not natural?
That's correct.
Now, when you say project, you mean MKUltra?
Is that correct?
Yes.
What was, or I guess you're saying, is MKUltra?
Well, it's a mind control brainwashing program used in special forces in the various places, including the U.S.
military, to get people Basically to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do.
To kill?
Yes.
That's one thing.
And you're alleging that this program not only went on, we heard that they did horrible things to people.
I believe that's well known.
They gave them LSD, all that kind of thing, way back when.
But you're now saying this is still going on.
You're telling me they're programming people to kill now?
That's correct.
If that's really true, then your life is in danger.
Well, I'm not too worried about it.
Why?
Because if you run scared or if you get worried, you panic and you lose your composure and that's what they want.
And you make mistakes.
Right.
Like this evening, we went to down the street to a fast food restaurant on the way back,
we were going through an intersection on the green light and there wasn't heavy
traffic or anything but a vehicle came along and just blatantly ran a red light in an attempt
to ram my car.
Now, then you are, I repeat, even though you say you're not because you've not made a mistake,
that's a close call.
That's a close call.
Yeah, and that's happened, I guess I won't name names on this, but see this?
No, please don't.
This whole project has gone, well, I wrote a book about this and I've got a quote from somebody on the front of my book.
I think it would be safe to name that person, because he's... Is your book published?
Well, it's self-published.
So it is, but it is published.
Right, and I've been, actually, I've even been selling it.
Uh-huh.
But this person says, Bruce and I sent the CID into Hollywood with the script.
First time callers, area 702-727-1222.
Um... alright, um...
Yeah, I'd just as soon not mention names if we can avoid it.
XFBI agent, how about that?
Okay.
Now, you said Project Phoenix.
MKUltra Phoenix.
Project Phoenix, that's, as I recall, a very old project, which folded way back into the Vietnam War.
That's correct.
Including assassination?
The Phoenix Program, Phoenix Project.
And you're saying not only MKUltra, which is mind control, but Phoenix, which is the assassination part of it, all are still active?
Of course they are.
Well, that isn't what our government says.
Well, you can't always trust what our government says.
How old are you now?
I'm 42.
42.
And how long have you been living this life?
Well, actually since I was about 4 years old.
Since you were 4?
Right.
I mean, it goes way back.
My aunt, my mom's sister was murdered by a certain agency.
Because she discovered drug running in the government.
I remember when the car pulled up.
We were in Northern California and her car pulled up to the house and I knew something was wrong.
There was a little bit of blood on the seat, just dried blood.
I remember seeing it and talking about whether they could get the blood stains out.
It was a small amount, but the story was she was shot Well, why your family?
well she's driving over a hundred miles an hour trying to get away from
or chasing her well if that was true that she would have wrecked the car
would have been put all over the place
uh... that's a long story in itself why are you doing your family why you
why will be the sort of a family tradition
I mean, it goes even back further than that.
An ancestor of mine was... Yeah, but these are not typical family traditions.
I mean, there's got to be a reason why you're a family.
Well, I've got one relative that was Vice President of the United States.
And the Dean of Cairo University, another person, and the friends of the family, like a couple of people, like, you know, I mentioned in that information to you and you say don't mention names.
For example, a vice president.
You're related to a vice president?
Who?
Henry Wallace.
Henry Wallace?
Correct.
So that's a long time ago.
Right.
So we're talking about, this goes way back, even before I was born, well before I was
born, but basically, I mean even before him.
All right.
For the sake of the conversation, I'm going to say fine.
All right.
All that's true.
And somebody's trying to kill you.
How do you maintain any kind of life now?
You can't.
Obviously, you can't go through a routine.
You can't go to work every day at the same time.
You can't take the same path.
I could barely leave your apartment.
If they wanted you dead, you'd be dead.
How do you live?
Well, it's difficult.
They don't just ruin your life with the narco-hypnosis, the torture and the mind control things that get you to do certain things at certain times.
They ruin your life financially.
Well, we'll get to that, but let me back up to the torture part.
In the movie with Gibson, They showed the typical interrogation, the horrible interrogation, the eyes taped wide open, that kind of thing.
Has that ever happened to you?
Yeah.
It has?
Yeah.
They use tape and they use these things, they're like monocles without glass in them.
How did you get away from that?
Or did you not?
In other words, how are you here talking to me and everybody else about all of this tonight?
How are you able to be doing that?
Well, it's a lot of things.
It comes back to being part of a good team.
Some of the people on my team switch back and forth sometimes.
For example, we're calling Bob the Ninja.
The network he's involved with, there's him, and then there's, I guess you might, you know, they say there's no atheists in foxholes.
That's what they say.
And there's, you know, combat intelligence, and this would probably fall in that category.
And if you run scared, you know, we already talked about that, so where do I go?
I go right up to the front line.
I live between two Marine Corps air bases.
Right between them.
Or a mile away on each side.
I'm not trying to say anything against the Marines.
I'm a former Marine myself.
There are bad elements in the CIA and the Marine Corps that are running this whole thing.
Basically it leads back to drug smuggling in the Marines and CIA.
In MKUltra and Phoenix, there was killing.
Have you killed?
Well...
I'll tell you what...
I'll give you a chance to think about that answer.
I wouldn't answer right away either.
Hold on, we'll be back in a moment.
We're gonna break here at the bottom of the hour.
And my guest is Bruce Wallace, who alleges he is the real life Jerry Fletcher, From Conspiracy Theory, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm back now to Bruce Wallace.
Bruce, the question was, and you can choose not to answer it, if you have ever, as a result of being conditioned, killed.
Well, let me start by answering that by saying, going back to 1975, I was ordered by the Sgt.
of the Guard at 1st FSR Camp Pendleton to open fire on other Marines for dubious reasons.
What does that mean?
Part of a cover up.
You mentioned the top secret comm centers earlier.
There were leaks here and there and to cover those leaks up at certain times, certain people
would be eliminated and they would use reactionary to do that.
That's like a Marine Corps SWAT team.
I would be put on reactionary and called out on a reactionary call, or SWAT call, in order to open fire.
And they dress it up as some kind of a disturbance on base.
But basically, it's good Marines taking out bad Marines and bad Marines taking out good Marines with the CIA mixed in for various reasons to control the flow of bogus and real top secret A lot of people, I'm getting email here, a lot of people think you're out of your mind, crazy.
Well, that's fine because I already covered that and I knew that would happen, so I just disclosed everything in my script, including the fact that I was framed and I've documented that in my book.
How many attempts have been made on your life?
For him to be insane, several times.
I mean it's like I stopped counting.
So then how do you even have a life Bruce?
I began to ask that earlier.
How do you conduct any normal activities?
How do you live?
How do you work?
How do you derive an income?
How do you sustain yourself?
A lot of times I don't drive an income.
I'm deep in debt right now just from working on this for the past 25 years, and I finally got it to the point where I've got an audience that can help do something about getting the whole problem resolved.
There could be an economic payoff for me in it, and I'm not afraid to say that that would help me out a lot.
Well, you mean by that is to sell your book?
Well, that's one way, and I'd like to also get funding to get the movie done right.
Get it done right?
Without the censorship.
Well, now I asked you a little bit earlier if it accurately depicted what you claim is your life, the movie with Mel Gibson, and you said yes.
Well, but they cut certain things out and they replace it with other things.
Like, it's not, this isn't a conspiracy to shut down NASA, it's a conspiracy to stop drug running.
And it's a conspiracy to murder anybody that tries to stop the drug running, like the drugs coming into the air base right next to my house.
Call the wildcard lines, area 702-727-1295.
No, no, no.
I just wanted to give you an example.
Okay, let's, give me an example by saying, a colonel.
Don't give me his name.
He's been on the front page of the paper.
Nevertheless, it doesn't matter.
A colonel.
A colonel.
What?
Colonel was at a party at a friend's house of mine down in Newport Beach with his sisters
and they were talking about how these drug flights were coming into the air base there
and he said he was going to go public with it.
He was telling a friend of mine that's an insider on this whole Phoenix thing and other
people there.
Then shortly after that he was dead.
The way the CIA cleans it up is by saying that he was making unauthorized use of aircraft.
Yeah.
And they say he went out and killed himself because he got caught using airplanes he shouldn't have been.
A ridiculous spin.
Does it get to the point for you where just about everything, you think of everything as a conspiracy?
Or would you suggest that everything virtually is?
Well, yeah, in one sense that's true, but other times I just forget about it, and that's sort of a combination.
You have to block the whole thing out to keep your sanity.
But let me ask you something.
Sure.
I need to ask you how you wound up with Midnight Express as your, apparently, some kind of theme song you use on the radio.
Well, I'll tell you what, I'll be glad to answer it for you, and I will answer it for you, but what do you think?
Well, I studied something called synchronicity in graduate school.
That's the correlation of seemingly unrelated events, and the reason I mention Midnight Express is because that's something uh... that is not from the music
it's used by the three oh six right up to tell you which i was part of
uh...
and at most al armed forces reserve center right up the road
close to four so you have company up in sacramento there's an army and the marine what is it about that music
and why would they To what end?
It's a switch.
It's a trigger.
It's a post-hypnotic suggestion to get people to do things.
For example, people talk about, on a wide scale, how are you going to get U.N.
troops, American troops, to fire on American troops?
You brainwash them.
You put, you take three days, you keep them awake at Camp San Luis Obispo or somewhere else like they did with me and a lot of other people I could name right now.
Does that do anything for you?
Well, that's, you know, that's the, um, that's the music.
That's the music.
And when you call tonight, you might remember I had it on too.
Well, fine.
Then I'm going to answer your question.
Let me say this.
Not very long ago, there was an article done about me that was passed about all over the internet that said that I'm black ops.
I am black ops.
And that what happens with me and my show is no accident.
That a lot of my guests do come to public harm or harm.
No, not really.
do and suggested that I am Black Ops myself. Now I can imagine with the way you feel about
my theme song that you might imagine the same thing, do you?
No, not really. It's something that you have to flash on for a second but then at the same
time you can be manipulated and wind up with that theme song somehow without knowing
why you chose it.
That would imply that at some point in my life I had been conditioned.
Well, you were in the military in communications, weren't you?
I was in the military.
I was a medic in the military.
I thought it was communications.
No, I've been in communications all my life.
I was a medic in the military.
Anyway, the point is, listen to me now and I'll tell you how I chose that, alright?
I was going to do a show at a radio station in Las Vegas.
And it was my first night on the job, and I sat down for about a half a day trying to think of what would be an appropriate theme for a show, an all-night show, and I simply decided on Midnight Express because I had enjoyed the movie, because the title seemed relevant, and because the music I thought was appropriate.
So, unless somebody had my eyes taped open and gave me the old MK Ultra treatment, there's nothing more than that, Bruce, behind it.
Well, I'm not saying there is, but I just wanted to... It was just one of these synchronistic coincidences that I wanted to bring up.
There's a lot of people that are listening to this right now that know that that song was blasted on loudspeakers.
I think maybe still is at Camp Slow and other places.
I've never heard that.
You know that to be true?
Well, I bet my life on it.
I have to bet my life on it.
Well, apparently, according to you, you are betting your life on a lot of things, and it seems to me that you're here very tenuously.
That means you're going to have to live the rest of your life in abject fear.
Of somebody assassinating you, looking over your shoulder every minute?
Well, it's an automatic thing.
It's kind of like just, um... It becomes second nature after a while.
But we're not just talking about MKUltra Phoenix, we're also talking about MKUltra Prometheus.
And that's what... That Prometheus is a lot of things, including some of this... And it gets nutty.
Nutty sounding, maybe, but it...
Everything from weather control to how you're going to get American-slash-U.N.
troops to open up on other Americans, if and when that time... Yeah, but you know what?
I've heard that's all baloney.
That there was a questionnaire that was supposedly circulated in the 29 Palms area, somewhere down there, about would you open fire on American troops, asking them these questions.
But, in fact, it turned out to be some captain's private college project, and it had nothing to do with any official government.
Questionnaire, how about that?
Doesn't matter it's it's just that's disinformation that's the point
Questionnaire how about that?
It doesn't matter.
It's disinformation.
The point is, it is a question that everybody has.
Will U.N.
troops fire on Americans?
And will Americans fire on Americans?
And yes, they will.
They'll do anything that they're conditioned to do.
I was assistant team leader at the 306th S.I.F.
Battalion.
Call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
Well, I wish I could.
I wish you'd let me.
Well, I can't.
I'm not going to because of problems with legal problems.
I'm not going to do it now.
I got my job there because I documented that I was from Phoenix, MKUltra, and then I got in there to work on something that needed to be done, requested by the CIA through a foreign One of our embassies over in the Philippines, we're targeting Corazon and Aquino, and we put together a comic book because the Philippine people read comic books like we watch the news.
That is true.
That is true.
So comic books, radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, movies.
I don't see very many movies.
I don't go to the movies.
You don't?
No.
I don't.
I'm glad you mentioned that because Joseph just sent an email and it says, with all due
respect I think your guest has seen too many movies.
Now you can respond to that.
I don't see very many movies.
I don't go to the movies.
You don't?
No.
I mean maybe once a year.
I would imagine a movie house would be a dangerous place for you.
I don't know.
Bye!
Well, life is dangerous in general, but basically, I mean, the reason like, you know, Colonel So-and-so.
Williams is dead now as of two weeks ago because he went on videotape three years ago.
He had just given me a sodium pentothal exam documenting all this.
Someone came in, an investigative reporter came in, I'll just call him Tony, and he videotaped Colonel So-and-so.
On videotape, got him on videotape saying that he's the inventor of MKUltra.
It was taken away from him by the CIA.
So I tracked down this guy and got him to get me to where I could think straight about this whole thing.
Now, Danto's dead because two weeks ago, I met with this investigative reporter again in a studio
where we were finishing another video and Tony quote unquote Tony pulled out a a quote of Danto
and he said he said um you know Bruce is the real um the real McCoy on this and you know this is who
I am you know he said who he was and can you understand why people would doubt your story why
people would think you're crazy for what you're saying
I can, but I mean, they can see the video if they want.
They can see Colonel so-and-so sitting there, and they can't say he's crazy.
His obituary says that he was a death investigator, and it says his partner is a former San Diego sheriff, but it doesn't say his partner was CIA, and it doesn't say that Colonel so-and-so So, alright, if I've got this straight then, the grand overall conspiracy you're suggesting is drugs.
To cover up drug running.
And you're suggesting that drugs are coming in on a regular basis to U.S.
Air Force bases and so forth and distributed from there.
If all you were saying was true, then your life for doing what you're doing right now wouldn't be worth two cents.
Because it's an ongoing thing.
I mean, fine, you can talk about something that happened a long time ago, and one can imagine being public would make you safe.
But if what you're really saying on national radio right now is true, your life wouldn't be worth a plug nickel.
Okay, I'll change the names, but ask CID agent Mike Wilson, who was my next door neighbor up until just recently.
I called up special agent, let's change his name to Heath from the NCIS, right down the road from here.
Called up Master Sergeant, what's his name?
I don't know.
from the Marines, CID, and I said, get this guy out of my face.
He was here to harass me and he was back in his white government cruiser into his space
right next to mine, right outside my front door.
They put him right next to me.
I even called up the local police and I said, I want you to work with the local military
it here and incredibly they got him out.
I tell you what I'm going to do.
I went to him and I said, I told him about this and he said, let's go out and tell me
when the next flight comes in and we'll go out and bust him.
I got you.
All right, listen to me Bruce.
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to end the interview now.
I'm going to get in touch with some of the names you've supplied me already.
Fax me any other real names and contact numbers that you want.
I will get in touch with those people.
If they verify what you're saying, I'll bring you back on the air again.
How's that?
That's fine.
Is that fair?
Yeah, could I, um, end this by saying, um... Real quick.
I, um, two days ago I had a meeting with a major studio in Hollywood.
Yeah.
And the CIA was in that meeting, and that's my whole... I mean, I can name the names.
I'll give you the... I know you name names.
I'll give you those names.
So you send me the names, I'll do the checking, and I'll have you back on, all right?
Okay, can we... Can I offer my book?
Well, next time around, after I've checked, we'll have you back on soon if what you say is accurate.
We'll be right back.
Geez, you're on the air, huh?
Boy, Art, I tell ya, I happen to know that that last caller... You mean the guest?
Yeah, that last guest.
He was right on.
You think so, huh?
Well I know so from personal experience.
Believe me, I'm not going to name names.
Not that the names I could name would mean much to you, but I was on the distribution end of certain commodities.
Drugs?
Well, I won't even go so far as to confirm that.
Leave it with some inference.
The distribution end, you were... Yes.
Now, do you mean to say you received bulk quantities that you saw shipped in, or you were a certain part of the distribution chain?
What?
Yes, of certain controlled substances.
No, which is it?
You were part of the chain, or you actually received the large quantities?
The person I worked with received the quantities, and we...
Prepare them.
At any rate, for example, during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, there's a certain commodity that they distribute, that they produce in that country.
The Mujahideen rebels needed weaponry.
They don't have money to pay for it.
They're a bunch of goat herders in the mountains.
I know.
So what they have is a commodity that can be marketed on American streets.
So, they make a deal.
You fight the Russians, we'll give you the weapons, you give us something we can make money with.
The same thing, at that point, when that fizzled out, the commodity transferred to a certain South American country.
So you don't think this guy was crazy at all?
No, I can assure you he wasn't.
During the Panama, and during the Contra, I know, I've heard all the allegations.
Well, there was another commodity that my friend was dealing with.
And I know damn well a bunch of the pilots who flew troops and arms down to Nicaragua came back with drugs.
There's no question about that.
I never understood that it was an officially sanctioned thing.
Well, officially sanctioned on what level?
That's the question.
Uh, you know, you want to talk about official sanction, you have to decide.
I always thought it was flight crews, myself.
No, no, it was bigger than that.
It was far more organized than that.
And then, of course... Well, you can't reject that.
I don't reject that entirely as a possibility.
Of course it could be.
Yeah, and well, the other thing was that, I mean, there were three separate countries that we were involved with militarily on a so-called freedom fighters
in all those instances there was a commodity marketed on the country on the
streets of this country to the people of this country
there was brought in uh... delivered to federal penitentiary
good lord picked up at uh... late hour guard shift and then distributed to the rest of the country
let me hit you uh... no pun intended with uh... the same question that a
lot of people uh... hit this guy with even if you choose to believe his
story well
they wanted they in quotes wanted him dead or wanted you did well after twenty five
years the problem you wouldn't be on the phone with me not a problem
it would be a problem That'd be easy.
That's an easy thing.
Well, then why would you allow this to be aired?
Why would you allow somebody like Bruce or yourself, and I'm speaking now from the they perspective, to open your mouths?
Well, first of all, I'm no longer involved in it, and I'm sure he isn't, and my part in it was... Yeah, but he was saying it's still going on.
Oh, yeah, it's still going on.
Read a book called Dope Incorporated.
All right, I appreciate your call.
So, you see what kind of response I'm getting?
Yes, sir.
Where are you?
In West Memphis, Arkansas.
Okay, welcome to the program.
In response to the conspiracy you were talking about earlier, I didn't hear all of it.
Consider a scenario in World War II, the United States government to deal with organized crime and the invasion of Sicily,
the OSS in particular.
Later on, the Central Intelligence Agency was formed from the former OSS.
So you don't necessarily disbelieve all of that?
No, not at all. These intelligence agents already had connections with organized crime,
and I'll see you next time.
And I appreciate the call.
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