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unidentified		Welcome to Ark Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 13th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, whatever the case may be, across all these many prolific time zones.
		From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains in the West, eastward to the Caribbean, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on Yeold Internet, this is Coast Ghost AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, well, I've got a lot for you this morning.
		As a matter of fact, there's a lot coming up, and I'll kind of outline that for you this week and well in the next.
		Number one, you might want to head up to my website, as usual.
		Do you remember Dr. White?
		Dr. White is a man we interviewed who did monkey head transplants.
		Do you remember that?
		Well, guess what, folks?
		I got a photograph.
		Hold on to your lunch, dinner, or breakfast, whatever the case is, but we do have actual photographs of those experiments.
		you will see the monkey head You'll see it all hooked up.
		Remarkable photograph.
		As a matter of fact, we should go back and reinterview Dr. White.
		But that is on my website right now.
		In addition, I sent Keith a couple of photographs.
		One photograph is of...
unidentified		laughs
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got this sign as you come into town.
		Probably shouldn't say this.
		And we had this inflatable rubber alien.
		So Ramona and I went out to the sign, and we duct taped this little fellow onto the sign and took a photograph.
		And then when we were done, we left him there.
		I have no idea what fate he met.
		It's a pretty windy day.
		It generally is out here.
		Anyway, that photograph is up there, and I took a photograph at my back fence line of the mountain that rises behind us.
		Use the zoom lens so that you can get some idea of the majesty of Mount Charleston that rises behind us.
		It goes up about 11,900 feet.
		And that photograph is also on the website.
		And then we have a listener's view of Benson's view.
		You'll have to go and take a look at that.
		That's also on the website.
		And then let me give you some idea of what's coming up.
		As you saw in the news, I'm sure, we had yet another day filled with tornadoes.
		God, they're everywhere.
		As a matter of fact, do you know there was an earthquake in South Carolina?
		A 3.9 hit South Carolina at about 6 a.m. their time, Monday, April 13th, and was widely felt.
		Gee, kind of a wake-up call, I would say, for South Carolina.
		Not exactly a place you would expect a lot of earthquakes, huh?
		So for a short time tonight, we'll have Ted Wright, author of Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual, on tonight.
		Tomorrow night is going to be a busy night because they are going to re-image Sidonia.
		Richard Hoagland will be here, and we should have good photographs by airtime.
		They are going to attempt to image what's called the city area.
		And they're going to target the very center of what's called the city area.
		So we'll see what kind of images we get tomorrow night.
		An incredible controversy continues to rage about the quality of the photographs that we got last week.
		So that'll be Tuesday.
		Wednesday, Tuesday night to Wednesday, actually.
		Wednesday, we're going to hold open until I see what happens with the Tuesday photograph.
		Thursday, we'll have Dr. Robert D. Kebble, author and chief criminal investigator for the state of Washington, who wrote a book on signature killers.
		He'll do the first hour.
		He'll be followed by Bruce Wallace.
		Who's Bruce Wallace?
		How many people out there saw the movie Conspiracy Theory?
		Ostensibly, it is alleged this movie was done about the life of Bruce Wallace.
		And in fact, when I got a fax from Bruce, it indicated at the bottom of the fax, I don't know, maybe I can find it here, five people who should be notified in case he is, let's see, it says, if you are unable to reach me due to my death or disappearance, will you please contact the following people and tell them to be careful five people and their phone numbers down there.
		So I guess he'll talk about conspiracies.
		Should be interesting.
		MK Ultra, he was, I believe, involved or a victim.
		We'll find out.
		And then Friday, Dr. Fred Alan Wolf.
		And he's a physicist and will talk about, he's written any number of books, about eight books.
		Many of the things that Michio Kaku will talk about, he also will talk about.
		And then coming up next week, I have a number of things for you.
		For example, on, let's see, which day is it?
		I believe Thursday.
		That is, if he can make it now, he may be facing some cataract surgery.
		But tentatively, Father Malachi Martin, we don't have that one on the website because he's not going to confirm until Wednesday.
		Tentatively, Father Malachi Martin.
		Now, I talked to Malachi Martin earlier today, and I asked him about this news going around the internet.
		Cardinal at the Vatican has said, indeed, alien life forms are visiting Earth.
		And Father Martin said, oh yes, indeed, it's true.
		The church is beginning to acknowledge this officially, so we'll ask him about that.
		Booked for next Friday, Major Ed Dames.
		I talked to Ed Dames out in the Pacific earlier today.
		I won't identify where he is, but I talked to him out in the Pacific.
		He'll be back.
		And next Friday or a week from this coming Friday, we will have Major Ed Dames on.
		So I've got a lot planned, as you can see.
		In the news, the governor of Virginia will wait for a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on an appeal by a Paraguayan death row inmate before deciding how to respond to Secretary of State Madeline Albright's request to delay the execution.
		This man was convicted in the 92 murder, in a 92 murder, is scheduled for execution on Tuesday.
	Albright wants to delay the execution to protect, quote, the safety of Americans overseas, end quote.
	That's interesting.
	South Korea has decided to pay wartime sex slaves, compensate them.
	South Korean women who were enslaved as prostitutes in the Japanese army brothels during the Second World War.
	And of course, you know about the peace plan in Ireland.
	So that kind of constitutes whatever's going on in the mainstream news.
	The weather is bothering me a lot.
	It is now mid-April.
	Let me tell you what's going on.
	It may correct itself eventually, but here in the high desert, by now, we should have air conditioners roaring.
	The temperature out there ought to be in the mid-80s, low-90s, at least.
	Ed.
	At night, we're going to the mid-40s.
	During the day, we're going to the mid-50s.
	It's really odd, folks.
	Really, really odd.
	The weather all over the country has taken a turn.
	If you heard Standeo last week, he now sees, you know, he watches the naval satellite photographs of ocean temperatures, and he's telling me that he sees another El Niño building.
	And you better pay attention to what Standeo says.
	Because long before the conventional press knew what was going on with this El Nino, Stan knew it was coming and told us.
	So this weather thing, it's biblical El Nino?
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe not.
		Maybe something else is changing.
		So we'll do all of that and we'll do quite a few open lines coming up here in just a moment on screened talk radio whenever we are in open lines.
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		I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
		I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by a mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
		Governments won't do that.
		And the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
		They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
		If you actually truly believe that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
		Absolutely not.
		You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
		And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
		So the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
		Now we take you back to the night of April 13, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time All right, to the phones we go, and I've got a lot more material here that I'll kind of spread out as we go on.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what everybody says.
unidentified		Yeah, it's like winning something really big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where are you?
unidentified		Well, I'm in Ventura, KVEN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have been hearing this neat story about Ventura in KVEN.
unidentified		I'm the guy that put it out.
unidentified		I called your network K-O-P-E-F-M.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they do a little miniature talk show in between during the breaks in my talk show?
unidentified		Is that right?
		On the half-hour hour, we get five minutes, and on the hour, we get one to two minutes.
		And it's a mini-talk show, and what's really odd is that you have a top-notch chest on, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And someone will call up and say something controversial.
		And all the callers will start screaming in, talking about the caller that said something controversial.
		But as that guy that creates that havoc on this station, I'd like to say something for your show and against it.
		Okay, a good thing and a bad thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, give me the bad thing first.
unidentified		No, I'll give you the good thing.
		You have some of the top-notch scientists on the air, and that's what I listen for, okay?
		Okay.
		You know, top-notch astronauts, Mitchell, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
		Right?
		And then and again, some of the weird things we have to use their own discretion.
		And I've got to tell you something else.
		When you had David Oates on one night, I bought, I spent hundreds of dollars on a tape recorder so I could do reverse speech, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was sitting here live running reverse speech on callers calling in.
		You're kidding.
		That was really hot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is hot.
unidentified		That is hot.
		You know, when people could call in, one guy said, hey, 555, 555, you know, to the host.
		And in reverse, he's called the magic Christian.
		You've talked to him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		All right?
		In reverse, it said, help, help, help.
		Oh, devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Pretty cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So anyways, here's the good stuff.
		You have top-notch scientists.
		You want to hear the bad?
		Oh, sure.
		One night about the El Nino stuff, you're saying, well, maybe I should talk to a physicist or someone that understands something, right?
		I called in and I used sixth-grade physics on you.
		And you cut me off the air real quick talking about the Jupiter effect.
		Do you remember that night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vaguely.
unidentified		Vaguely.
		And you cut me off the air, and guess what?
		I was talking on KVN prior, and then the host came up and said, gee, the guy went up to Art Bell and finished this conversation.
		And then I called in on our local show and finished what I had to say.
		It was totally dynamite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, there's nothing bad about that.
unidentified		Well, it is in that everyone said that you cut me off short.
		It was very interesting.
		People were calling in saying, gee, this guy's really smart.
		We want to hear what he has to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you said you were using sixth-grade physics.
unidentified		That's right.
		It's very simplistic physics that I use.
		For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
		Everything's interrelated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I'm aware of.
unidentified		And I talked about the magical spring between Jupiter and Earth and Earth and the Sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, now that's what I don't buy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think it has at all been proven.
unidentified		Well, it's not magical.
		It's mass.
		It's mass.
		If you want to go into higher physics, mass, gravity, and also add into there the poles.
		You know, like the sun has a pole and goes through pole changes.
		So you have an electromagnetic force also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call.
		But again, the reason I probably cut it short was because I don't believe that.
		And I don't think anybody at any math level has proven that there is a connection between, for example, Jupiter and the Earth.
		Now, if there was, the most dramatic example of a connection would have been when Shoemaker-Levy 9, in who knows how many pieces, crashed again and again into Jupiter.
		If there was any effect on Earth, it would have been felt then.
		And it was not.
		When we have planets that line up, people will frequently say there's going to be some vibratory effect as a result of that.
		And of course, all of them are going to line up eventually.
		I forget what year after the millennium.
		But again, I expect no particular effect on Earth.
		So I don't buy that.
		I just don't buy it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		How are you doing tonight?
		It's Kathy from Woodridge, New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kathy.
unidentified		I wish someday I would make it after 2 o'clock so all those people on WABC would hear me.
		It's like you ripped me, you know.
		I want to ask you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		How do you feel about Dr. White's experiments?
unidentified		Do you approve of them wholeheartedly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good question.
		I can't give you an absolute answer.
		I think Dr. White's research was for humanity it had value.
		He was trying to do work that would have benefited people like Paraphleesics.
		Yes.
unidentified		Perhaps.
		Okay.
		Maybe what happened to me is I got my first taste of his work via something I shouldn't have done.
		There was an animal station on via cable at least a year ago.
		And they were showing it for PETA.
		Well, as you know, if you've ever seen anything that's been shown by PETA, it's usually sometimes it's doctored.
		Maybe 80% of the time it's doctored.
		It's hidden photography.
		And they had his lab shown.
		And it wasn't just about him, it was about all animal experimentation.
		And boy, did it piss me off when I saw.
		You know, I saw this picture of the Pope in the background of his laboratory.
		Then several months later, I saw it on Extra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew.
unidentified		And it's just really like, oh, man, it just grossed me out.
unidentified		Because it was put into context where most of the animals were really, what they were showing, that were tortured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to hear both sides of the story.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		And I haven't heard the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of times you don't hear the other side of the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there has been a lot of human suffering relieved with animal experiments.
unidentified		Harrison's disease, etc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		Thank you, Kath.
		I appreciate it.
		But I am open to both sides.
		And I think a lot of Dr. White's work was very important.
		However, as I said, brace yourself, hold on to your lunch, your breakfast, your dinner, whatever it is you have when you go to look, because that photograph is there and it is pretty eerie.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 13, 1998.
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		You're listening to Artfell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 13th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
		Those of you who join at this hour, anything is possible tonight.
		Anything at all.
		Who knows?
		But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
unidentified		Sounds of the wind
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		Just think, as a new subscriber, over 1,000 shows will be available for you to collect, enjoy, and listen to at your leisure.
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		now we take you back to the night of april thirteen nineteen ninety eight on art bell somewhere in time the West of the Rockies, you're on the Air Hockey.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi, how's it going?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Um, uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you.
		Now you've got to speak up a little bit.
		Tell us where you are.
unidentified		Actually, I'm in Canada right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
unidentified		I'm in Edmonton, Canada.
		Okay.
		And my name's Brent.
		And I actually was just have some disturbing news about El Nino.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		I was in visiting Moscow last month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't hear you, sir.
unidentified		Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
unidentified		Okay, I was visiting Moscow last month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my friend is in the military.
		He was telling me that the government has some kind of machine to control a medium.
		I don't know if you've heard anything about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll tell you what I've heard.
		The Russian government made a legitimate offer to create cyclones.
		And they claim they've got satellites in place right now that can actually create cyclones.
		Now, I don't know whether that offer has been accepted.
		I don't know whether they've actually tried it.
		But so far, I think not.
		Because I saw a report on CNN earlier, I think it was this morning, indicating that the Philippines and portions of Asia that would normally get rain because of El Nio have been getting nothing but drought, and it is now at the danger point in a lot of Asia.
		The rain they would normally get, we are now getting.
		So I don't know.
		The Russians, I know, made the offer.
		Have they been experimenting?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know one thing for sure.
		Our weather appears to be changing.
		Short term, long term, I haven't made up my mind yet.
		But I'm particularly nervous after listening to Stan the other day talk about weather changes that appear to be cooking now.
		He says, cooking, indicating another El Nino is building.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Arpel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're going to have to get on a regular phone, sir.
		See, that's what happens with a 49 megahertz phone, folks.
		That's why you ought to trash those things.
unidentified		I'm sorry about that, Arpel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all right.
unidentified		My name is Tim, and I'm calling from Rochester, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Tim, what's happening is there's somebody in an apartment or house close to you transmitting on the same phone frequency, and they're interfering.
unidentified		This phone has been testy the past couple of days.
		Can I just ask you a question and then get off really quick?
		Yeah, sure.
		Well, first off, I was wondering, have you ever been to Rochester, New York?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a city I have never visited.
unidentified		Have you been close, like Buffalo or Syracuse?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been to Buffalo.
unidentified		Do you like it up here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's beautiful.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I was wondering, are you going to come up around here ever anytime for a book signing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good question.
		I don't have an answer for it right now.
		You never know.
		I might.
unidentified		Possibly.
		I just want to say I love your show.
		I've been listening ever since you've been broadcasting up here.
		I'm 21.
		I've been listening ever since I was a teenager, and I go to sleep too every night.
		And I just love you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I really appreciate that.
		Thank you, but that makes me feel old.
		People start calling, I've been listening to you since I was a teenager.
		Since I was a baby, mom used to turn the radio on in the triv, and I'd be listening to Art Bell.
		Getting old.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		This is Barb from Ohio.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Hey, I've got a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I'm going to be out in Las Vegas in June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		I was wondering if you could recommend any sights to see or anything.
unidentified		Let me forewarn you, though, I'm not into gambling or whorehouses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then why would you come here?
unidentified		That's kind of a business type of thing.
		Well, look, they've put a lot of...
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And things of that sort.
		And you can go into a casino and eat for cheap and not gamble.
		You can see the sites, go to places like Circus Circus.
		You know, there's a lot to do.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Is that Star Trek thing pretty good?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't been to it.
		I've heard it is.
		I mean, there's a lot to see.
unidentified		There's a lot of shows and stuff you can go to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the time, of course.
unidentified		That's good.
		What about the UFO Highway?
		Is that worthwhile now, or has that kind of died down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what you mean.
		People still see things out here.
		Now, I would advise you probably your luck on any given night that you would drive out the E.T. Highway, what we call E.T. Highway here.
		Your chances of seeing something significant on any given night, one night, are pretty slim.
		Right.
		So, I doubt I would do it.
unidentified		Okay.
		It's pretty dark for a while after you drive through there.
		You don't see anything really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's dark, all right.
unidentified		Right.
		Yep.
		Okay.
		Well, thanks for the information, Article.
		I wish you continued success with your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		It's dark.
		There's no lighting up there at all.
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the time you get out in the Mercury area, it's just raw desert.
		No light.
		You don't want to have car trouble out there.
		I'm not saying you wouldn't get help, but you don't want to have car trouble out there.
		I mean, this is very serious desert out here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'm ready to go here.
unidentified		This is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't hear you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to speak up.
unidentified		This is Kelly from Tico.
unidentified		Okay, Kelly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk right into your phone.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm trying to.
unidentified		Geesh, I didn't expect to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did, Kelly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		I was just thinking about the Mars mission, the picture they're coming up tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm surprised, first off, that they're going to image the city at all.
		I expected them to try and take another picture of the face and then screw that one up, too, and, you know, end up not getting the city.
		I figure the city is easier to analyze than just the face.
		I mean, you could get a perfectly clear picture of the face and still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		The big news could still be tomorrow when they do the city because most of the scientists that I have talked to think there is a better chance of proving artificiality with regard to the items in what's called the city.
		And Richard Hoagland agrees with that.
		And he was telling me that he thinks that they're being so reactive to what everybody is doing and saying, and we're keeping them on their toes so much that we're going to get an honest, good photograph.
		And I said to Richard earlier today, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
		And he said, you know, you're beginning to sound more like me than me.
		And I said, that may be true.
		But we went through hell with this last photograph.
		And so I'm just, I'll knock on Trustwood and we'll see.
		All right?
		You take care.
		We'll see.
		Why am I pessimistic?
		I don't know.
		Because of what we went through with this last photograph.
		I'm not surprised that Richard all of a sudden thinks it's going to be a clean shake this time.
		I'm not sure I feel that way.
		But I would be happily proven wrong.
		If they get a good, clear photograph and it proves unambiguously that these objects are not tricks of light and shadow, then we are really off to the races in more ways than one.
		Boy, society has got a real paradigm to turn over, don't they?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art, this is Bob in Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Bob.
unidentified		Yeah, I just thought I'd give you a call.
unidentified		I really loved your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		But I think I've lost it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've lost it?
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to your program tonight, and I recorded it last night.
		I hadn't had a chance to listen to it yet, so every time your commercials came on, I listened to what I recorded last night, and then I would listen to what you were playing tonight.
		Then at the same time, I was watching Bill Maher on TV on closed captioning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not following you.
unidentified		Well, I was listening to your program, and I'd recorded it last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've got that.
unidentified		So I was listening to tonight's show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And every time you'd have commercials on or a break, I would put on what I recorded last night.
unidentified		So I was listening to two shows at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And at the same time, watching Bill Maher on TV on closed captioning.
unidentified		So I think I've lost it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you've gone mad?
unidentified		Yeah, too much of a fan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, it's hard enough to listen to one of my programs at any given moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trying to listen to and watch TV at the same time will end you up in a loony bin.
unidentified		Yeah, okay, that's all I want to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, see you later.
		I don't recommend anybody doing that.
		He was going to say that it was not on whatever station he was talking about, but no, indeed.
		He was listening to two programs at once and watching TV.
		Like, that'll kill you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, going once.
		Going twice.
		Going.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		Hey, you know, I've got an extraterrestrial report I wanted to report to you and to your fans.
		Oh.
		Or your listeners, or whoever they are anyway.
		But, you know, this happened in San Francisco where I spent a lot of time by the Presidio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I read the Bible every day.
		I pray a lot.
		I am a Christian, but I'm a fanatic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a fanatic Christian?
unidentified		I sure am.
		I anointed a prophet a long time ago on a 700 Club broadcast, and I called up and received a word of wisdom from Kinshlo and a man named Moses that were giving a word of wisdom that day about a prophet watching.
		But my life changed after that, and I now give oracles publicly like they did in ancient Greece, one of the places like the Oracles of Delphi that were given in the testimony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so your credentials as a fanatic Christian are established.
unidentified		Well, today I was given oracles at Stanford University and UC Berkeley both.
		Anyway, so I'm at the Presidio.
		I'm praying a couple of days before Desert Storm started.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm praying at this monument that's a rock right by the Legion of Honor.
unidentified		It's on a cliff Presidio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Lincoln Golf Course.
		And it's dedicated by the Chinese community in San Francisco to world peace.
		I'm sitting on the rock praying for our soldiers and their safety.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And when I was done, I opened my eyes, and there is an angel standing next to me.
unidentified		Now, he has a golden tinge, and he's about 70 foot tall, taller than the trees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He had a golden what?
unidentified		A golden tinge, a spirit being with kind of a golden tint.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he was 70 feet tall.
unidentified		Taller than the trees.
unidentified		I figured his kneecaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the trees up there are very tall, so he'd be a really big angel.
unidentified		On this cliff, they're not.
		It's right there by the water, by the bay, where the Golden Gate Bridge is, right there.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		But anyway, so he's wearing sandals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sandals?
unidentified		And his kneecaps are above my head about five feet, and I'm over six foot tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a big dude.
unidentified		A big, really big dude with big hands and scissors.
		Now, he's made out of the invisible.
		He's made out of spirit.
		But he had a message for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said it was time for judgment to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		Now, here we are at the time.
		You know, you talk about judgment.
		I mean, the angels, the death angel came at Passover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does this have to do with the ETs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not clear.
unidentified		You were worried about the weather and the tornadoes and the earthquakes.
unidentified		There was one you said were in South Carolina?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there was an earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		Okay, well, since he's told me that, I've actually prophesied it at universities and on street corners in San Francisco, Northridge, Kobe in Japan, Loma Princess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now we have no, how do we know that you were able to forecast all of that?
unidentified		Well, it comes out in poetry and rhyme, kind of like Nostradamus might do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but unless you had sent me or somebody the poetry and rhyme, how could we know?
unidentified		Well, actually, the thing is, if you were standing next to me, you would have to notice.
unidentified		The thing is, how you're in the middle of the desert, kind of in the middle of nowhere, and I would have to call you up and tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are calling me.
unidentified		That's what I mean.
unidentified		So take my word for it, because I know why I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you know, that's fine.
		I prefer that prophets that claim hits document their predictions prior to the event.
		I mean, calling somebody like me up afterward and saying, I predicted the following four earthquakes, you know, which occurred some time ago.
		It's just, I mean, how do we know?
		Prophets are walking through the woods and come across this big, deep hole.
		Wow, that looks deep.
		Sure does.
		So they toss a few pebbles in there and see how deep it is.
		They pick up a few pebbles and throw them in the water.
		No noise.
		One says, geez, that's really deep.
		Here, throw one of these great big rocks down there, though.
		I don't know how to make a little noise.
		So they pick up a couple of football-sized rocks, toss them into the hole, and wait.
		And wait.
		Not a.
		Not a sound.
		They look at each other in absolute amazement.
		One gets a determined look on his face and says, hey, over there in the weeds, there's a railroad tie.
		Help me carry it over here.
		When we toss that sucker in, it's going to make some noise.
		So the two drag the heavy tie over to the hole and heave it in.
		And they wait.
		Not a sound comes from the hole.
		Can you imagine that?
		A railroad tie.
		Suddenly, out of the nearby woods, a goat appears, running like the wind.
		It rushes toward the two men, then right past them, running as fast as its legs will carry it.
		Suddenly it leaps into the air and into the hole it goes.
		Let's say the two men are astonished by what they've just seen.
		Then, out of the woods comes a farmer.
		He spots the men and ambles over and says, hey, have you two guys seen my goat out there?
		They say, you bet we did.
		Craziest thing we've ever seen.
		It came running like crazy and just jumped into the air and then into the hole.
		Nah, says the farmer.
		That couldn't have been my goat.
		My goat was chained to a railroad tie.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Amber in Greeley Hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Amber.
unidentified		Hi.
		I had a couple of questions for you.
		Now, my husband was listening to a program when he had Robert Ghost Wolf on about that Sphinx he found up in the Rocky Mountains.
		And he was saying that when he was listening, when Richard Hogan was asking him questions about it, that it sounded to him that Richard was kind of questioning him on the fact that maybe Richard might know there's more in this country.
		Is that possible?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And South America as well.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the photographs yet?
unidentified		No, we're still dinosaurs.
unidentified		We don't have a computer yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can go to a library and get a computer and go to my site and take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd appreciate your view.
unidentified		Okay.
		And second question.
		You know that medium?
		I don't remember his name.
		You had him on, oh, God, a few months ago when me and my husband were listening.
		And he can get a hold of your relatives and whatnot that have passed on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Von Prague.
unidentified		Yeah, do you think you'll have him on anytime soon in the near future?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he'd certainly be a candidate to have on, yes, indeed.
unidentified		Well, I lost my father a year and a half ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm so sorry.
unidentified		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		And I was maybe wondering if maybe I could get a hold of him and find out how he's doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you what, I'll give James a call.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		We don't do those things on the air, however.
		When we have James on, we generally fold it to how he does what he does, and we talk about the topic generically.
		I think that people contacting their dead relatives, well, that's best left to you and the medium and not done in front of a national audience.
		However, James von Prague is one interesting fellow.
		No question about it.
		All right, we're going to break here at the top of the hour and then Ted Wright.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 13th, 1998.
		Music by Ben Thede I think you asked if you want to go.
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		Make the long way home Never be what you want to be.
		Never blame you for gallery.
		Take the long way.
		Take a long way to go.
		When you're up on the stage, you're so unbelievable.
		Oh, and you'll get a go.
		I may go.
		Then you're wanting to think you lose your sanity.
		Oh, and you're vanity.
		With a long way out.
		Oh, and you're vanity.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired April 13th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		In a moment, Ted Wright, who has written a book called Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual, and it's good timing for that, because once again today, the tornadoes raged.
		We had the other day 40 dead across the south in tornadoes, and I'm not sure we can argue about what's going on with the weather, El Nino-driven stuff, or a permanent change or a temporary change, but the fact of the matter is, it's pretty bad out there.
		Now, I live in the desert where it ought to be pretty warm by now.
		Ought to be in the 80s, maybe even the low 90s.
		But you know what our daytime highs are?
		About 55 degrees, mid-50s, down into the mid-40s at night.
		The weather is wrong, that's for sure.
		And in a lot of places, the weather is deadly.
		So we'll talk to Ted Wright.
		His book, as a matter of fact, is recommended reading from FEMA.
		Ted spent World War II in London during all the bombing, and of course that will sharpen your survival instincts without question.
		And so he's got a lot to say about survival in bad situations.
		We'll cover a number of topics with Ted in a moment.
		Now if you suffer arthritis oh there is one more item I want to get to you and that is I have a whole raft of new photographs up on the website.
		So without one of them by the way is of the Dr. White experiments.
		Now I want to warn you about that one.
		It's very graphic.
		Dr. White you'll recall was the man who was doing the monkey experiments with the heads.
		Well we did obtain a photograph of those experiments and it really is graphic and it is on the website right now.
		Go take a look.
		But be warned, it's very, very graphic.
unidentified		Groan
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		You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		What's amazing to me, Alex, it's happening so fast.
		I mean we're getting hit from implanted chips, the possibility of paperless cash.
		Something's wrong here.
		These things aren't supposed to happen.
		This is real society being folded into an artificial habitat like rats inside of a cage.
		This is not a game.
		Don't say you weren't warned, ladies and gentlemen, because we're all in this together and you are being warned right now.
		And now we take you back to the night of April 13, 1998 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laura, as I said, Ted suffered the bombing in London.
		That'll give you survival instincts for sure.
		As a civilian, he studied and became a physical therapist specializing in sports medicine.
		Was chosen as honorable team attendant to the British 1948 Olympic team.
		He excelled in his chosen profession for 30 years before retiring from the field to pursue other interests.
		Then there was a chance radio broadcast, report of a small earthquake in Southern California.
		And all of a sudden, all of his wartime preparedness and search and rescue experiences came to the fore.
		And he wrote, Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual, is recommended reading by FEMA.
		He's currently working on two new manuscripts.
		First, an expose on the nuclear dangers in America, entitled, Chernobyl is Alive and Well in the Good Old USA.
		And the second book, Hey Boomers, Life Begins at 50.
		He should know he's currently 75 years of age.
		Here is Ted Wright.
		Ted, hi.
unidentified		Hi there, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for having me on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Ted, across America, it has been one of the weirdest weather years.
		I guess in my adult life, I have never seen anything like it.
		The desert should be hot.
		It's cold.
		It should be dry.
		It's wet.
		The middle of the country has been suffering tornadoes.
		The south, tornadoes, 40 dead the other day.
		It's horrible.
		And so, obviously, somebody who knows how to survive is of value.
		So I thought you'd be a value to have on the air.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Art.
		You know, I don't know why everyone is acting surprised about the weather situation in 1998.
		I started this mission in 1980.
		I wrote my first book, which everyone laughed at.
		It was California.
		It was called Survive, I Dare You, the Earthquake Awaits.
		And, you know, on your show and other shows, many of us are psychics and others.
		I'm not a psychic myself.
		But we have all been talking about the coming times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can back away from the phone just a little bit.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and we've been talking about the coming times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, the coming times are here, Art.
unidentified		Yep.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And what we see is what I have been trying to prepare people for for years.
		We can expect these changes to go on and to increase through 1998.
		Edgar Casey and the Hopi Indians and everybody's been talking about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me ask you why you think it is.
		I mean, whether short-term or long-term, no question, it is changed.
		So do you think these are permanent, increasing changes or not?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can answer that this way.
		You know, life for all of us is a matter of choices.
		And at the moment, we can either choose to follow the prophecy theory, that is by the Hopi and other psychics, etc.
		We can follow the cyclic theory that every 2,500 years the cycle repeats itself.
		This theory is supported by the astrologers and people who study the planets and the stars.
		We can follow the wait and see if it happens soon theory, which FEMA follows.
		Or we can listen to the inner voice, our own inner voice that warns us, something's wrong in the kitchen here, we better look around.
		And that's the time when people of intelligence should be asking the question, what do I do?
		Am I just going to let the earth, chicken little, you know, they used to call me chicken little years ago, Art.
		And we can either say, well, am I going to follow chicken little, the sky is falling, there's nothing I can do about it, or are we going to be sensible and say, for whatever reason, and we can all put our penny in the bucket and say, well, it's for this reason or that reason, but for whatever reason, the American public is completely vulnerable because they don't know how to handle the weather conditions that are happening to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, is that so?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I saw on TV today, you know, the tornado that swept through Alabama and killed 40 people, etc., was about the fifth item on CNN before we got to it.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And then it showed a man who had just had his home totally destroyed, which was a mobile home, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It actually looked like nuclear devastation.
		I mean, there was literally nothing left.
		It was not just mobile homes.
		Anything that was in the way.
		That was a level five tornado, and it took everything down to the ground.
unidentified		Right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And that left the interviewer talking to people, what are you going to do now?
		I don't know what I'm going to do.
		And the guy lost everything.
		But there's a very simple procedure that, if you live in wind country, put your valuables below the ground.
		If you live in flood country, put your valuables up in the attic.
		If you live in earthquake or tornado country, put your valuables and your supplies away from the house.
		So when that house is blown away and you see a devastated yard, that yard should be full of the items that you as an individual or a family require to continue your life.
		Otherwise, you're going to be a refugee and wait for someone to come and give you water and food and shelter.
		And by the way, there is no shelter in this country that is prepared at the moment for any disaster of any kind.
		We notice that now when FEMA or other people say, go to the shelter, they are saying you need to take your blankets and supplies because the shelters are empty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a matter of fact, we kind of got away from the whole shelter idea in America.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You know, in the 50s and 60s when we were preparing for atomic war, there was all sorts of information given to the public.
		It was called self-help civil defense.
		Prepare your shelters.
		Do this, that, and the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even I am old enough to remember all of that.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Now the government is keeping us in complete secrecy.
		There is a strong belief that it is required that the population be helpless because they're then easy to control.
		But there are very serious issues that face us as a public.
		The public, you know, Art, there is a noose around the American public's neck and it's closing closer and closer.
		We had this tornado, a very, very strong one that killed 40 people.
		We have never in this country had a Kobe or a Chernobyl.
		We nearly did at Three Mile Island, which was kept very quiet.
		But we have never had a situation where several thousand people were in demand of services instantly.
		And if that ever happens here, I just bleed.
		I cry thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, we have had a couple of very serious hurricanes, and there was much screeching and crying that FEMA was very late on the job.
		And when that many people are affected, it's hard to mobilize enough emergency aid to really get to everybody that quick.
		So you've got to be ready yourself or else.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		But you know, there are things that can be done and can only be done on an agency level.
		For example, when Hurricane Opal three years ago, I think it was three years, was coming in, there was a mass evacuation ordered.
		This is Florida.
		And within 30 minutes, the roads were so clogged and jammed that they were telling people to go back to their homes.
		Now, surely it takes in the quiet times a simple planning procedure that if you live east of the city, use this route and so on and so forth.
		That's the planning that I look for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here's an interesting question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We live in the age of nuclear terrorism.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's eventually going to happen, either biological or nuclear in one of our major cities.
		Take a city like New York, for example.
		If the authorities had 12 hours warning of a threat of a large serious nuclear or biological detonation of some sort, they would be faced with a terrible dilemma.
		In other words, do you order an evacuation of an area that size, probably killing more people in a panic to get out than would die if the thing went off?
		Or do you warn the public?
		I don't even know what the official position of our government is.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		There is no official position, but have a look at the Israelis.
		Have a look at the Europeans during World War II.
		They took precautions, and the Israelis, when this new thing was going to come up with Hussein, they were there looking at their safe rooms, checking their gas masks, and they were ready to hunker down.
		They weren't ready to flee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are quite right.
		I saw it on CNN.
		They all had gas masks.
		They appeared ready.
		They were huddled in rooms.
		They knew what to do.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		The worst thing you can do out if there is a nuclear or a chemical attack or any accident, the worst thing you can do is flee.
		You have to prepare safe rooms in our own houses, and we have to be educated as to how to do it.
		It's not that difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you recommend?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of the modern houses don't lend themselves to safe rooms like the Israelis have.
		The rooms are too large.
		So we need to have, I have in my book my backyard survival shelter, which is completely airtight.
		We need to have a room like this that we can go to and be prepared to be there in the event of a nuclear accident, for example, for at least 15 days, because airborne pollution, such as came from Chernobyl, is very highly charged atomic particles that they dispense quite quickly within 10 or 15 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you could last 15 days, you could live?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes, most certainly.
		No question about it.
		It's a matter of putting in the foodstuffs.
		And the other important thing to remember, and we saw this at Chernobyl, when you are outside and that dust comes on you, you are contaminated.
		Now, before you go inside to your safe place, you have to hose down and take off your clothes, or you have to be in waterproof gear.
		Plastic trash bags are fine.
		So you can hose them down and clean yourself before you go inside.
		Now in Chernobyl, they cleared the town of Pepewat, which is where all the workers lived, about three weeks after the accident.
		They finally decided to tell them.
		They sent rows of buses into the town.
		They moved the people out at gunpoint, practically, thrust them into buses in the clothes they were wearing, they contaminated the inside of the buses, they drove them into the center of Kiev, the buses on their tyres carried all the contaminants into the city and when the people got out of the buses they contaminated everything they came in contact with.
		Now in World War II I was in Italy when there was a typhus outbreak.
		Typhus is due to lice and we set up a tent situation which was not very pleasant but we herded the population as gently as we could, took off all their clothes, shaved their heads, put them through a delousing spray, gave them fresh clothes and sent them on their way.
		That was a decontamination area and that is how the public has to learn.
		It's very simple but it has to learn that there's not great fear and panic and rush and everyone try to get away, kill each other in the process.
		They have to learn that if they stay put and know what to do, if you're in your vehicle, turn off the air conditioning, close the windows, drive to where you have to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're now 75 years old and you went through the bombing in London.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You really did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Americans have never really faced that level of disaster.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the majority of Americans have not the slightest idea what to do.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is the problem, Art.
		You know, if we can just educate people that it isn't that big a deal, I lived in what's known as an Anderson shelter for 11 months.
		I didn't live in it continuously, but I lived in it every night.
		And here we should have, you know, I don't understand why in Tornado Alley we have these mobile home parks and no underground shelters for tornadoes.
		I mean, the tornadoes have been going on for years.
		This didn't just happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they seem unnatural.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's weird.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really is weird.
		I've wondered about that for years.
		Also, there is going to be...
		He's a remote viewer.
		He is convinced there is going to be a massive worldwide food shortage.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You agree with that?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		We've only three days' food in this country at any one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as a matter of fact, if there is, for example, here's go to an area where they get a hurricane warning.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you go and look at the grocery stores and there is immediate panic buying.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And within 12 hours, all the shelves are going to be empty.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No more food.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But we can go into the stores now and buy bags of rice and beans and cereals.
		My book, I based on the pioneers who crossed this land.
		They did not have refrigerators.
		They didn't have fancy storage areas.
		But they carried their food with them for months.
		The Mormons crossed this land, took a couple of years, but they didn't have stores to go to.
		They did have, it's true, they had frontier stores now and then.
		I tell you in my book, how to put away the dry food and cereals and grains and beans, high protein, that are easily cooked.
		They don't take a lot of.
		Now we have wonderful foods, dehydrated soups and potatoes and milk and things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why do you think there is going to be a food shortage?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Because we have for years.
		The farmers encouraged by Monsanto and these other chemical companies have been encouraged to make more money, bigger crops, less ground, and they've been growing on the top four inches of soil for years.
		The soil is deteriorating, and there's nothing to hold it.
		So another good tornado or good windstorm blowing across the farmlands is going to blow away all of the soil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that sounds crazy, but it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw a 60 minutes piece indicating that you're exactly right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That the Midwest, given the right conditions, could once again very, very quickly turn into the Dust Bowl that we once had.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Now there's another aspect when we have all these floods, the surge plants and other contaminants are in the water and they spread all over the growing areas.
		They soak into the ground.
		As soon as the soil is ripe, the farmer goes out and plants on it.
		But we don't know what the condition of that soil is.
unidentified		That's true.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		So we have a very serious problem, not only with food, but with water.
		Our fresh water is shrinking rapidly.
		You know, in Scandinavia, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, they have to buy their water.
		It comes in ships.
		But they are probably one of the most beautiful countries in the world with their lovely snows and mountains.
		Their water is all polluted from Chernobyl and other sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they have to buy water?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they're buying it in.
		It comes in in ships.
		Just like Desert Storm.
		Remember how all the soldiers carried a bottle of that sparkling water with them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And that's what's going to happen here because the air pollution.
		You see, we don't talk about this.
		The public are not told.
		But the quality of the air that we all breathe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You notice the incidence, the high incidence of respiratory conditions.
		Oh, nasal conditions.
		I'm suffering one myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there, Ted.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Notice.
		Oh, yes.
		Asthma off, what is it?
		100, 200%, something like that.
		It's true.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ted Wright is my guest.
		He has written a book called Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual, which is on the FEMA recommended list.
		There's been so much nasty stuff going on lately that I thought it would be good to have him pay a visit, and I think I'm right.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have always thought the American public was particularly vulnerable and had done very little preparation for any sort of disaster.
		And I think this is truer today than it has been at any time in my entire life.
		And I wonder about it, Ted, why the authorities, who are facing a greater possibility of having to evacuate a major city in the U.S. sometime soon, are doing less and less to prepare for it.
		Or at least in public, we certainly don't know about what they've done.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		One of the main reasons why there's no activity is because those who are in government service, the civil service really are the people who put these plans into operation.
		They do not have the courage to put their name on any plan in case it goes wrong.
		And they do not have the inspiration to call in people who do know to help them with their planning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something that I don't understand.
		Maybe you can explain it to me, Ted.
		We stopped building nuclear shelters, fallout shelters, long time ago.
		The Russians, with the ending of the Cold War, are still building them.
		How come?
		Why?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Because they are aware of When the Cold War was on, a fellow called Cresson H. Kearney was appointed by the nuclear agency to write a manual of, and he did, called How to Survive a Nuclear War.
		And the first thing that Chris Cresson did was to go to Europe and see how they did it, how they survived.
		He came back and the very first paragraph he wrote in his book, it's a very thick manual, says the only hope for the American public at time of nuclear or any other catastrophe is self-help civil defense, becoming aware of the problems involved and organizing to do something about it.
		Now we are missing that leadership that tells the American people from the top, instead of the President and the Vice President going around with this mealy-mouthed attitude, oh, we're very sorry that you lost everything and we'll send you a few million dollars to help you out,
		which never reaches the people anyway, instead of taking that attitude, they now, while we have time, could be saying, everyone needs three months' food, everyone needs one gallon of water per day for each family member, and a family of four needs 336 gallons for three months.
		That sounds tremendous.
		But Art, it's only 12, 25 gallon containers, and if you start saving water in containers, you can have that supply put aside in no time.
		We have to have, the American people have to be made to realize they are completely on their own.
		And until they do realize that, what Ed Dames is saying, and I agree with him, we are going to have starving refugees in this country, and I've seen it in my lifetime, and it should not happen here, and it doesn't have to happen here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matter of fact, I'm going to have Ed Dames on at the end of next week.
		You may or may not be hearing a little tiny beep in the background.
		I'll try and get it a little closer.
		There it is.
		Oh, that little beep that you're hearing is the beep of a Geiger counter.
		I've got a Geiger counter.
		Most people don't.
		I've got one, thanks to Bob Crane.
		And I'm looking at the scale, and the scale is mr slash forward slash hour, HR.
		And it's between 0 and 500.
		And I would like to ask you a question.
		Yes.
		Right now it's just reading incidental background radiation.
		You know, occasionally it receives a little bit from space, I suppose.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, if there was a nuclear accident or there was a nuclear terrorism or a nuclear war, how many of these, what does MR forward slash hour stand for?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Millerenkins or something?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's the amount of, we can keep it very simple, it's the amount of radio particles or whatever's in the air.
		You know, the gamma rays, for example, are in the atmosphere and can be triggered and increased.
		how can I describe this?
		If you have a balloon on a string and it's sitting there quite quietly doing nothing until you blow it, and when you blow it, it moves forward in a direction.
		Well, that is the atmosphere around a nuclear plant, around a chemical plant, around many areas, especially in your area out there in Vegas where you have Site 51 and all that stuff.
		That's right.
		And that counter has a register.
		And when it goes from five to ten retogens, ten retogens mean you should start looking for cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At ten?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At ten.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Now that doesn't mean to say you're going to fall down because you've got ten exposure, but it does mean you start collecting that exposure and your body absorbs it and you don't want that to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, at what point is there a fatal danger?
		I know this means how much you're getting per hour.
		Yes.
		But at what point should I really be afraid?
		As this scale goes up, as I said.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I'm a very conservative person, and I say around 17 to 20, you should start considering that you're in a situation that is unhealthy.
		Now, in Chernobyl, they took 70 to 80 retigens, but they didn't last very long.
		They had tremendous problems.
		But you know, Art, you raise a very sore point with me, and as much as this same Cress and Kearney I was talking about, produced for free a KFM meter, a fallout meter, Keene fallout meter.
		It was paid for by the government.
		I give the plans away free to anyone that buys my book.
		But everyone should have one of those because it costs pennies to make.
		It's made out of simple, very ingenious materials.
		Micah, I won't go into it now, but it's very simple.
		And it reads as accurately as the one you have that you paid probably a lot of money for or someone gave it to you.
		But everyone should have one because you raise a very good point.
		You are monitoring your own atmosphere right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		But outside where people live, when anything happens, as you described, the procedure is going to be zombies in white suits and completely covered will come along with counters like the one you have and take readings.
		They will then tell us whether we're in a difficult area or not, whether we should be doing something about it.
		But the point I make is they are all in their protective suits and we are standing around in our normal clothes.
		So the first thing we have to do is to be able to monitor our own atmosphere just as you are doing.
		And I repeat, if you get around 17 to 20 on your scale, you have a poisonous atmosphere around you.
		And it doesn't have to be as a nuclear accident.
		It's wefted in from all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Help me out here.
		You said you're very conservative.
		17 to 20 mH per hour would be fatal or make a person sick after how long?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		About five hours to an up to between four and five hours.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It will make them extremely sick and will affect their thyroid gland providing we're talking about nuclear activity or nuclear spoilage coming out of a nuclear plant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is considered to be a fatal dose?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can take that same dose 17 to 20 and if you're out in it exposed in it for 20 hours, that's a fatal dose.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You've just absorbed enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about a really high dose, like 50 to 100 MR?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You have about three minutes to get out of it or to take cover or put on a suit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About three minutes.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		During the time that Three Mile Island was going crazy when no one believed what the dials were saying, there is a little room you can go to and tap the, you can actually tap into the reactor and pull out this little sample of molten fuel from in the reactor and test its potency.
		And the three men went into that room fully protected with their suits.
		The retrogen levels and the radiation levels were so high that after one test and they brought it back to the engineers, this is documented, the engineers still didn't believe them and they said go back and do it again and they said no way because even within their suits they were being overexposed.
		So this is not something to play around with.
		What we have to understand Art is it's not so much the high level of radiation that we are exposed to, it's the time factor that we are exposed.
		We're absorbing it through our skin and it affects the thyroid.
		And now here's another point.
		Potassium iodide and potassium iodate, both the same thing, are known to be 99% effective to protect the thyroid gland.
		This is approved by FDA.
		It is stockpiled by several states.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have to take it before the event or can you take it after?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It's very, very nice if you have 24 hours warning.
		There's an 80 capsule, 80 pill procedure.
		But if you don't have a warning, as soon as you know you're in trouble, you start taking it immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would help.
		Yeah, the odds are you're not going to get a warning.
		I mean, how many of us sit around warnings?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		But it actually protects the thyroid gland immediately, and it protects children.
		But here's the point.
		Potassium iodide is not available to the general public, and FEMA carried out a research as to whether they were going to stockpile it around the area of the 109 nuclear plants we have in this country.
		Do you know what the answer was?
		It's cheaper to pay for thyroid etomies than it is to stockpile little tiny pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I'm not kidding.
		It's documented.
		I'll send you the documentation.
		Now, taking out the thyroid disturbs the whole endocorin system and you gain weight.
		It's a terrible situation.
		That is the way it is with FEMA today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They said it's cheaper to take out the thyroids.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Say for thyroidectomies than it is to stockpile these pills because they have to be recycled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That really is incredible.
		I know.
		And again, I go to the larger cities where if you were to suddenly say, New York, you've got to evacuate right now or within the next five hours or 12 hours, it just couldn't be done, could it?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		No, it couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Los Angeles, forget it.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		So isn't it better to say New York, in case there's a spill, you've got seven nuclear plants in your state.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		In case there's a spill, here's what you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, look, on the other side of the coin, as you well know, Chernobyl had only one level of containment.
		And U.S. authorities say that U.S. nuclear plants are safe because they have two levels of containment.
		So if one fails, the other will save us.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		That is a bunkum and boulder dash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Because the reason Chernobyl failed was not because it's a bad plant, not for any of the reasons that you've just stated or has been issued.
		And incidentally, Chernobyl is still in operation.
		The reason Chernobyl failed because the Russians, when they got into this nuclear steam generating industry, being the intelligent people they are and very straight-minded, they said, we're producing steam.
		We have loads of steam engineers that know how to handle steam.
		So they put them in charge of the nuclear plants.
		Now these Russians, because they get a better car and a better apartment for saving money, they looked at this nuclear plant and said, why do they need all those silly systems?
		So they started eliminating backup systems.
		And they started trying to run the plants with less coolant water, etc., etc.
		What they didn't know is, and here's the point, Art, listen to this very carefully.
		When a nuclear reactor reaches a certain point, it doesn't matter how many backup systems you have, you cannot stop meltdown.
		And Three Mile Island was 24 seconds from meltdown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The China syndrome.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		The China syndrome, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember very well, because I lived not far from it.
		I remember very well when Three Mile Island occurred.
		And what I remember is that they lied.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not afraid to say that.
		They lied.
		And only later did we find out how close they really came.
		Only later did we actually find out what was discharged into the air.
		And at the time it was occurring, I can assure you, all the local stations in the area were giving all kinds of calm assurances that everything was all right and nothing was out of control and all the rest of it because I was there.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		There are 2,500 lawsuits pending, 30 of which have already been settled secretly.
		So you know, yes.
		Yes, document it.
		Send your documentation.
		Now the thing to remember also, at Three Mile Island, they had no potassium iodide and they didn't start making it until the fifth day.
		They rushed 250,000 bottles of the stuff and it got there.
		It would have been there too late had there been a serious accident.
		And what happened at Three Mile Island was, and it will happen again and again and again, the political faction, the engineering faction, the plant leasey faction and the politicians all were arguing with each other.
		Each one said, no, we can't do that, it's bad for politics.
		We can't do that, we won't get any more money appropriated.
		We can't do that, it'll scare the public, and so on and so forth.
		And remember, it was the governor of the state who declared the evacuation order.
		By the time he'd given it, 80,000 people had already left on their own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were a lot of smart people out there, and they knew better.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It's happening now, Art.
		The whistleblowers in the nuclear industry are trying to alert the public.
		Grigory Meduev did the same thing.
		He wrote the book, The Truth About Chernobyl, and he almost gave his life.
		His book was too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the current truth about Chernobyl?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know the sarcophagus they have built around it is beginning to crack.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they fear explosions.
		They fear all kinds of things.
		What's going on there now?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, the main problem, Art, is that the meltdown occurred, went through the bottom of the reactor.
		They've tunneled underneath to try to put a barrier there, but the fissionable material is going down into the earth.
		It's going down into Mother Earth.
		They can't stop it.
		And that's the major problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what does it do?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It'll hit water.
		When it hits water, it's going to explode.
		It's going to be a terrible situation.
		And incidentally, there's another side effect that is not publicized.
		You see, the government, well, I'm not going to say our government, but whether it's purposely or not, we are not being informed that Russian workers who work outside, farm workers, steel workers, builders, etc., are now suffering great eruptions on their skin.
		They're having huge breakouts on their skin because the atmosphere is so highly charged and the contaminants have all over the place, just into the soil and it's a terrible situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know below Chernobyl, how far down is the water table?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, from the latest information that I could gather, they've tunneled three levels.
		They have miners working 24 hours around the clock, putting mine shafts across and underneath.
		And they have gone some 200 to 300 feet, according to the information we have.
		And they're right on top of the water table.
		And if they don't, you know, they're filling these tunnels with concrete.
		But, you know, we've seen this going on up but we're making the same thing here.
		Savannah River for example has 500 underground storage containers full of nuclear waste where they made the plutonium etc for the bombs.
		Yes, yes.
		And there are between 750,000 to 1 million gallons of waste material.
		The containers that they made for them are already breaking down.
		They're less than two years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about the high-level site that they're talking about at Yucca Mountain near me?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, let's go back to Chernobyl.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Let's go back to Hanford, Savannah River.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All they've got to do, they say, is to be able to store this stuff for some tens of thousands of years successfully.
		And as long as they can do that, why it'll be rendered more or less harmless.
		But I don't know anything that we've done for tens of thousands of years, do you?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		Well, here's a very simple way to answer that question, Hart.
		Millions of dollars in contracts have been issued to major companies in this country to develop a successful system of either storage or the dissipation of nuclear waste.
		So far, no plan has developed this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No plan.
		Yeah, I know.
		Hold on, Ted.
		We'll be back to you after the top of the hour.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Ted Wright is here.
		He wrote Ted Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual, recommended reading from FEMA.
		We'll get right back to them.
unidentified		You may still have time, you might still get by.
		Every time I think about it, I won't cry.
		The bones and the beagle, they'll keep coming.
		Go away with easy behind the yellow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, there's something about those words.
		Good morning, everybody.
		It's a very interesting topic, survival.
		There are those who don't want to survive, or they feel that whatever it is that might occur would be so bad that they'd better walk out and open the arms and welcome whatever it is and take their ride to whatever is next.
		Others would like to survive, and I presume that what we are doing tonight is for those who would like to survive.
		Either tornadoes, a nuclear accident, a nuclear not-so-accident, that sort of thing.
		At any rate, we'll get back to Ted in a moment.
		He survived the bombing in World War II in London, and that'll sort of give you a taste for survival.
		So he'll be back in a moment.
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		What's amazing to me, Alex, it's happening so fast.
		I mean, we're getting hit from implanting chips, the possibility of paperless cash.
		Something's wrong here.
		These things aren't supposed to happen.
		This is real society being folded into an artificial habitat like rats inside of a cage.
		This is not a game.
		Don't say you weren't warned, ladies and gentlemen, because we're all in this together and you are being warned right now.
		Now we take you back to the night of April 13, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Once again, here is Ted Wright.
		Ted, I'm going to make you tell us about your book.
		Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual is recommended reading by FEMA.
		Where do people get this?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		They get it by calling my answering service.
		My book was published by a very small publisher.
		They had no budget for promotion.
		I promote my own materials.
		My book was printed originally as a self-help.
		When it was examined by Ingram, by the way, it won the top 400 of its year.
		When it was examined by Ingram, they declared it to be a textbook.
		And that's what it is.
		It's a textbook for survival.
		It deals with every aspect of survival step by step by step, telling you exactly what to do, how to do it, and most importantly, why.
		I'd like to raise this point for you, Art, as a survival type of situation.
		We talk about how much radiation can we stand and so on and so forth.
		After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese were surprised to find that several surrounding villages were completely untouched physically.
		The people were just as healthy as before the thing went off.
		And they did examinations and they found that these villages mainly were concerned with the manufacture of misu and other seaweed iodine type products that the Japanese people love.
		So from that, it's a very simple conclusion, and I wrote a report on this, my Preparing Your Body for Physical Survival, if you have a strong immune system and you have fortified it with the natural things that it needs, you can withstand more radioactive exposure than a person who's very weak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that would be true.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's an aspect of survival that isn't really considered part of the food, water, etc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how much is the book?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		The book is $14.95.
		I ship it out by priority mail, three bucks.
		So it's $18.95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But $3 would be $17.95.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		$17.95, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so $17.95 will give them the complete price.
		Somebody has written here from Fort Wayne, Indiana, asking, Art, enjoy the show.
		Could you please ask Ted Wright a good way to store large amounts of drinking water?
		And before you answer that, I want to ask about my own situation.
		I've thought about that a few times.
		Here where I am, I've got a water well, thank goodness.
		But I have a hot tub, Ted.
		Now, traditionally, people with hot tubs, and I was one of them, treated the water.
		It was horrible.
		I had to do it all the time with chemicals, which would cause you to sneeze and hack when you'd go in the hot tub.
		And to keep the right pH balance and all the rest of that baloney, I'd use chemicals.
		Then, I went to a fair out here, and lo and behold, here is this brand new system that uses hydrogen peroxide and an ultraviolet lamp.
		This hydrogen peroxide is slowly run by this UV radiation and then added to the water.
		And I have never in my life seen anything like it.
		It's the most pure, sparkling water you've ever seen in your whole life.
		You never have to empty it, refill it.
		You have no smell of chemicals.
		This water is so pure, it does something to the water molecule.
		I really don't know the technology behind it.
		But I mean, you can put this in your eyes, and it's that pure.
		I would presume it would be drinkable, would it?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't do it?
unidentified		No.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		For one very good reason.
		I am absolutely positive the water I put away is pure, and I'll talk about that in a moment.
		But there's a very other aspect of survival we must consider here.
		We need our precious drinking water for drinking and food.
		There you have a wonderful supply of water.
		You're going to be the cleanest survivor that ever worked, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was thinking of drinking it, but you said no, huh?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't.
		You know, if it can be established clearly that it's safe, that it isn't going to affect the body in any way.
		I'm scared about these peroxides and radiations and things like this, which do wonderful things for swimming pools and that.
		I've been in them.
		I'm a swimmer myself.
		But I want to drink water that I know is safe.
		But I also fill up the detergent bottles and things like that for personal hygiene and saving my precious water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this factor from Fort Wayne wanted to know the best way to store large amounts of drinking water.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		The best way to store large amounts of drinking water is to have a good clean container.
		To put in, it's the same rule as a computer.
		Garbage in, garbage out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Put in good clean water.
		If your faucet water is not to your liking, then filter the water.
		There are many inexpensive filters now.
		Filter the water.
		And remember, the enemy of water is light and heat.
		So store the water in a cool, dark place.
		I like to store mine in the ground.
		But cool, dark place.
		Now, we're talking about hurricanes, we're talking about tornadoes, etc.
		You're in earthquake country there.
		You need your water in the ground.
		I have a pallet root seller in my book using pallets that are thrown away by the stores.
		Put your water in the ground away from the house.
		Because if your house comes down on top of your supplies, then you're just as badly off as if you didn't have any at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good point.
		All right, you mentioned in things that we might have talked about, HARP.
		Now, the weather, as we know, is changing.
		Do you think HARP may be playing a part of that?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, as I said at the beginning, we all have choices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have, let me answer it this way.
		I carry, I keep very meticulous notes on every Earth movement that's occurred over the last several years.
		And recently, there was, you know, you have our little cardex system, you put it down, you tick it off, you put it down, you tick it off, and you do all this stuff rote.
		But I was looking, and it suddenly occurred to me that all these repetitive Fiji islands, for example, has been hit recently, Auckland Islands.
		There was a repetitive pattern.
		And so that made me look again, and I realized if I had the longitudes and latitudes, I would be able to pinpoint what was going on.
		So I went back and laboriously added this to my records, and I made this discovery.
		Over the last two and one-half years, 68% of all Earth movements on the planet occurs between what I call the 2045 path.
		That is longitude 20 to longitude 45.
		And if you take that as a beam across the flat Earth, that is approximately where the Mexican border and the American border is, 20.
		And up there on the 45th, it's approximately the area of the Canadian-United States border, the 38th parallel.
		Now that line, I then took my cards and I dated everything.
		And starting about two years, two and a half years ago, the Earth activity within that line, and we imagine it's a path by a satellite or whatever, started at the mouth of the Mediterranean.
		Italy was having earthquakes down the Mediterranean, progressed through Iraq and Iran, progressed through China, actually India, and so on.
		China has had tremendous earthquake activity.
		Afghanistan, which has just had terrible activity, and it's moved from west to east around the planet in that band and it now is reaching, it should be reaching Japan anytime soon this year.
		And at the end of this year, it's been predicted by others other than myself, it will be going across the Pacific.
		The Ring of Fire is extremely active, and we would expect that that path will then hit the California coast, which is extremely active right now.
		And that pattern is too consistent for Mother Nature.
		Mother Nature is never consistent.
		And this is a consistency which leads one to believe that something is fooling around with things that they shouldn't be fooling around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I commented to some caller before you came on the air.
		The Russians actually offered to create a cyclone.
		They claim to have a satellite in space now that could create a cyclone.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		To put out the fires in Indonesia.
unidentified		That's correct.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They actually claim that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, whether they're going to do it, whether they've tried to do it, I don't know.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, CARP is based on Nikolai Tesla's work.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And we know that in his lifetime, he built a tower and devastated a huge area in Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go to the phone, see what the people have to say.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Ted Wright.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ralph from Bakersfield.
		Yes, sir.
		On the concern of disposing of nuclear material and whatnot, there's a Discovery magazine, I'm not sure if you've ever seen the show, probably about a month and a half ago, I couldn't be totally sure, discussing the issue.
		And basically what it came down to, they're talking about how the United States government has already got plans moving forward to start in the year, it was 2080 something, to build a storage facility in Santa Fe, not for United States waste, but for the waste of the entire, basically the entire world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we store everybody's waste?
unidentified		Good.
		I'm supposing the reason that we haven't really heard much about it would be because it's in Santa Fe, but it's pretty interesting how they're going to build it.
		It's supposed to be built under the premise that the United States won't be around in 500 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever it is, this high-level nuclear waste has got to be stored successfully for tens of thousands of years.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, how much confidence do you have that we can do that?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I'll answer that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, please do.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Being human as it is, if they had a safe system to handle this stuff, would they not tout it across the press of the world?
		We could make a lot of money.
		But what the natural tendency is, we take a mountain somewhere, dig a huge hole in it, fill it with nuclear waste, put a guard at the front and say, if you go near it, we'll shoot you.
		And then they say, this is absolutely safe.
		We tell you it's safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Now, how do we know it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		500 years, 50 years from now, there's a huge explosion.
		Magma comes up.
		Oh, goodness me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Considering it's going to be right next to me at Yucca Mountain, in all probability, I'll be really wild about hearing all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Ted Wright.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, this is the first time color line.
unidentified		Well, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter, sir.
unidentified		You're on the air.
		And we're, you know, 100 miles near Hanford.
		And I just wanted to comment there, 1967.
		I was 10 years old and I couldn't take my eyes off an article that was in the newspaper at that time and showed miles and miles of underground storage facility at that time for the Hanford plant.
		And how many years you know gone by and Lord knows what they've got going by now there.
		And this is above the Columbia River.
		You know, you're familiar with the area.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I think the important thing to remember, and you raise a very good point, Corla, that Hanford, Savannah River and these other exposures which are now being ferreted out, didn't just happen yesterday.
		They happened in the 80s and the 70s and they've been going on for a great number of years.
		So we don't know what's going on now, but public awareness and the watchdogs have managed to unearth information where this stuff was going on 20 years ago.
		And it's a very serious situation.
		It needs that the public get up in arms about this.
		But when we have a public that only 30% vote in the presidential elections, less than 12% vote in municipal elections, I'm afraid we haven't got much hope until something bad happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are two theories about that.
		One is that the voters in America are apathetic and don't give a damn.
		The other, though, is that Americans basically are happy.
		Yes.
		And they simply will go to the polls if they're upset, if something is going wrong, if the economy is going wacko, they get up and go to the polls.
		But if everything's going pretty much all right, they're apathetic.
		They don't care.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, doesn't that support the theory that we don't tell the public what's really going on with regards to natural events?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Yes, it absolutely does.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Ted Wright.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		This is Ben from Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Ben.
unidentified		Yeah, I got a question for your guest down there.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Ted, yes.
unidentified		I was wondering, what's the cheapest a shelter would cost?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean a full-fledged in-the-ground kind of shelter?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would it cost a person, good question, to build a reasonable shelter?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		There is a person called the grandfather of the log homes, and he claims that you can make a good living, three-bedroom, etc., for around $500.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Underground?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Three-bedroom?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And you do it by digging into the side of a hill or terrain and you line the hole with plastic and then you start building a frame inside and it's very insulated and it's very, very nice.
		Now, we have to clarify semantics on underground art.
		Are we talking about 20 feet underground or are we talking about in the side of a hill with the front of the house level with the hill and the rest of the house inside it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I presume that's what you're talking about.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But which would protect a person at least under moderately severe conditions?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're not talking about a bomb here.
		We're talking about radiation fallout, mostly.
		And if it's level with natural terrain, Mother Nature allows the wind to follow the terrain.
		We only have problems when there's a building or something like that that gets in the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, if you are at ground zero of a detonation, it doesn't matter anyway, does it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you...
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
		They say 10 to 15 miles.
		They'll tell you two miles, but it's doubtful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on, Ted.
		We are at the bottom of the hour.
		My guest is Ted Wright.
		He has written Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 13, 1998.
		Yes.
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		That's what he's talking about tonight.
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		We'll get back to Ted Wright in a moment.
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		What's amazing to me, Alex, it's happening so fast.
		I mean, we're getting hit from implanted chips, the possibility of paperless cash.
		Something's wrong here.
		These things aren't supposed to happen.
		Mission is real society being folded into an artificial habitat like rats inside of a cage.
		This is not a game.
		Don't say you weren't warned, ladies and gentlemen, because we're all in this together and you are being warned right now.
		Now we take you back to the night of April 13, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ted Wright is my guest.
		We are talking about survival, something that interests some of you and not others.
		As you know, I've been suggesting to you I felt a coming earthquake earlier today.
		There was an earthquake in South Carolina, and here is a caller from South Carolina.
		Did you feel that earthquake today, sir?
unidentified		No, I didn't.
		I'm probably about 20 miles from where it happened.
		And something woke me up.
		I work nights, and I'm usually dead asleep at 6 o'clock in the morning.
		I don't get off at four, which is just about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty big wake-up call for people in South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have a lot of earthquakes there, do you?
unidentified		No, but I know about two years ago I was reading that the Charleston area was ripe for a big one there.
		Yep.
		I forget when it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question for my guest?
unidentified		Well, you caught me by surprise, really.
		I didn't really expect to get through.
		I try to get through every night.
		But what do you, I guess what I really want to know is I know if there's a big enough earthquake, there's no electricity, there's stuff, no water, and things like that.
		And I was listening the other night about a fellow that was saying, freeze a lot of water in your freezer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that was one suggestion, Ted.
		We did have a caller the other night, or a guest, who suggested that you could freeze water in blocks, and then when you need it, you know, in the short term, if the power goes out, hours later, you're going to have water.
		You defrost your water, and there it is.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		That's true, but you can clean out your milk containers and other containers and fill them with water.
		And when the power goes out, you have water.
		And if you have some frozen, that's a bonus.
		But it's, I guess, you know, we're planting seeds here, Art.
		And if it's happy, people are happy with frozen water, go for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I found it, I had a little irony while you were doing that commercial.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You said your chances of success with the IRS in an audit is about 15%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And I figure that the chances of success in a disaster without any preparation is about the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody who wants to know, regarding storing food, what is a good, preferably cheap container for storing 25 pounds to 50 pounds of dried grains?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I would say the cheapest container and most successful, I use it myself.
		Those 30 gallon trash containers with the good tight lid and I line them with plastic and I put in my grain either loose or in bags and then seal the top well and put the lid on tight and I put them in my root cellar.
		My 4x4 cubic foot root cellar will hold four of those containers plus a lot of packages on the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jay, let me ask you about a fairly controversial aspect of all this, Chad.
		People like yourself that prepare for disaster, maybe have a fallout shelter, you've got stored food, you've got a lot of things.
		If there really was a disaster, I remember Twilight Zone.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember that Twilight Zone?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		I remember it well.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do when people come over the wall and want your food?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my book, I developed what I called the food torpedo, and it's a four-foot PVC with J-CAPS on the end.
		It's full of various types of food.
		There are many ways of doing it.
		And I bury them in the ground.
		I've thrown them in swimming pools.
		They're watertight.
		They're absolutely safe.
		And if I am in the unfortunate position of someone taking my food, I would offer to share it with them, of course.
		If they take my food, take my food, please.
		I already have my secret supplies that they don't know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, but I guess where I was going was...
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And it works on the principle that if a street, a neighborhood, a community is prepared, as we did in London where everyone is prepared themselves, and as a community we protect each other, that problem of security doesn't arise because we arrange our own security procedures and patrols.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Enough said.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ted Wright.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		You're on the air?
		Where are you?
unidentified		Am I on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Juneau, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Oh, I see.
		We've got a little bit of a delay to Juneau.
		So you're on the air with Ted Wright?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 702-727-1295.
unidentified		Biological Chemical Warfare Center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vic, hold on.
		I had to eliminate that.
		The one thing you're not allowed to do is give your last name on the air.
unidentified		Oh, sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we'll try it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're Vic from Juneau.
unidentified		Go ahead, Vic.
unidentified		Okay, and I attended Nuclear Biological Chemical Warfare Center at Camp Lejune, North Carolina, Marine Corps Training Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was wondering if I can get your fax number so I can go ahead and send you a copy of the training manuals of acute delayed effects of whole body radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mean me or you mean Ted Wright?
unidentified		Well, you and then eventually to Ted Wright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I've got a three-page max.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you might.
unidentified		No, this is just one page.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One page?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		On zero to 50 RADs, you start developing the white blood cells affected.
		From 50 to 150 RADs, the skin and white blood cells and your gastrinal tract, you start getting the nausea and vomiting.
		From 150 to 400 RADs, it affects your bone marrow.
		You have a three-week assumption.
		Death is a rate of 5 to 50%, right about there.
		From 400 to 800 RADs, as you'll see in the chart that I'm going to send you, the bone marrow and the gastrinal tract is affected.
		You start vomiting, diarrhea.
		The death rate is almost 50 to 90% within six weeks.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, I answered that.
		I was pretty conservative.
		Hey, Art.
unidentified		Very conservative, sir.
		Very conservative.
		And the epicenter of the blast rate, you have to remember, keep in mind that the dust is what's going to be radioactive wherever that spreads to.
		I give it a 15-minute, what you said, a 15-mile radius.
		You protect it as long as you're below ground or on the ground.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, we appreciate the cover.
		We appreciate the information.
		Really?
		Well, thank you very much, Mr. Bell.
		Thank you for not screening the calls.
		I'm very impressed I just got right through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, take care.
		Well, that's the way we do it here.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Ted Wright.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		My name's Bob.
		I'm from Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Bob.
unidentified		Yeah, I was concerned about the storing of water.
unidentified		I always seem to contaminate the water when I'm storing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've got to agree with you, Ted.
		Water does not store well at anywhere near room temperature.
		It begins to quickly deteriorate.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		The enemy of water is light and heat.
		You need to keep your water around 60 degrees, which is ground.
		Everything in the ground stays around 63 degrees.
		Now, I have to say that I know Las Vegas soil conditions, and that probably would not hold true unless you went to a deeper depth.
		But stored inside a prepared cellar that has plastic around it, it would be quite safe because it stays cool.
		I lived in the upper desert, Mojave Desert, and in front of TV cameras, I took out of the ground milk containers that had been in there for two years.
		It was 105 degrees.
		I drank it.
		It was cool and fresh.
		But it is a matter of putting clean water in a clean container and keeping it cool and fresh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that makes sense.
unidentified		Yes, it does.
		I have one other comment.
		Yes.
		Mr. Bell, you're talking about the Yucca Mountain up and storing stuff near you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, it's well, they're going to use it up.
		I used to work out there, and they have what they call a plasma generator.
		They use spent nuclear pellets, bombard it with lasers until it goes molten, it compresses, and it goes off like a small sun-going nova.
		And it can generate enough power to run a town of 15,000 people for about 10 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that storage facility, you did say you're in Las Vegas, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not just near me, it's near you, too.
unidentified		Yes, yes, I know.
		It's not just going to be stored.
		They're actually going to be using it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've not heard of those plans.
		I hope that's true.
		Although I don't know how wild I am about many suns going off near me either.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Ted Wright.
		Hello.
unidentified		Thank you.
		This is Helen from Cincinnati.
		Hi.
		I would like to say that we, ten years ago, the Fernald uranium processing plant was closed down around here, and they operated under the guise of a fertilizer plant.
		But it was really uranium.
		And there was a money settlement and a medical checkup for those living within six miles, but we didn't know any of that.
		So we moved in here ten years ago, two miles from the plant.
		I wonder if we're safe living next to those deteriorating tanks over there that's above ground.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		My answer to that would be, what does your inner voice say?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		My common sense says I wouldn't have any part of it.
unidentified		Oh, mine too.
		But tell that to a husband that don't want to move again when we're this old.
		About stored water, I hear that a drop of Clorox in each gallon might help too.
		What do you think about that, sir?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a traditional theory that you use ten drops of bleach per gallon, etc.
		I like to clean my containers out very thoroughly with at least four ounces of bleach.
		I rinse the inside of the container very thoroughly.
		I empty it out, and I immediately fill it with fresh, clean water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this is in your book, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it is a detailed virtual textbook on how to survive.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It ought to be in everybody's library as far as I'm concerned.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what a lot of other people have said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ted Reitnart Bell.
		Hi, where are you, please?
unidentified		I am in Tennessee, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tennessee, all right.
unidentified		Cell phone isn't killing you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it sounds all right.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I'm a caver.
		I've talked to you before when Ed Dames made one of his big statements about getting underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I'm going to have him on next week, by the way.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		One thing that some people should realize is that, you know, the Army Corps of Engineers done a study about using caves as fallout shelters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And they need to realize that caves don't make the best fallout shelters because of the venting that they do.
		And so what does your guest have to think about using caves just as a storage place itself?
		Because you did mention something about the ground temperature and caves are pretty stable about staying between 58 and 60 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Ted?
		I'm all in favor of using any natural underground cave or other natural opening in the ground for storage purposes.
		But we must remember that under extreme conditions we have to have venting.
		We have to have a manual air exchange system.
		Now it's very fine if you have an electrical system at the present time, but I like to provide for a manual simple bellows type situation where you can exchange the air within the living cave, a man-made structure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		But the caves are large caves and that it's true that they are at a certain temperature, but when it gets very cold, they also go to a very low temperature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ted Wright and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Colorado.
		Okay.
		I had two questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		One of them is, I'll ask and then I'll hang up.
unidentified		One of them is, how long will water stay fresh if it's underground or in a dark, cold place?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		And another one, if you had an underground room that was airtight, how long would you have oxygen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would depend on how big the room was, I guess, unless you had some sort of filtration system.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		You have to have, this is it, correct.
		I answered this art with there has to be a system of exchanging the air, whether it be an electrical system, providing there's electricity, you have a generator, or whether you use a manual system, which are very simple to construct, where you exchange the air at least once every four hours.
		Because you have no way of knowing when the oxygen level drops to a serious state.
		You just go to sleep.
		So you need to have provisions for air exchange every four hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		She asked about water.
		You talked about storing in a cold or a cool, dark place.
		If you do that, what are the expectations for how long it's going to be good?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Indefinite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if it's clean water and it has no contaminants in it, it can't make contaminants of its own.
		The natural aquifers and the water that's in the ground has been there for the millennia.
		It comes out quite fresh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's absolutely remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Clean water in art, it has to be clean water.
		And if it has no bacterial content, there is no reason why it should activate unless it gets heat.
		And I clarify that by talking about the pond.
		A pond in winter is clear and clean.
		As soon as the sun hits it in the spring, it gets green algae and it becomes activated and it becomes alive.
		And that's part of the natural process.
		When we put clean water away in a clean container that's no contaminants and it's cool and dark, it will stay that way.
		It's inert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
		I'm learning a lot tonight.
		How big is your book?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It's 284 pages full of illustrations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And it's a complete text.
		It's very simple.
		It's written in a homely style.
		The United States Fire Association claim that it's one of the, they like it because it's ease of operation and installation.
		Everything I talk about is very simple.
		Earth toilets, for example, we haven't talked about toilets.
		One of the great problems in survival conditions is the question of sanitation and toilets.
		And now that we have chemical toilets that are very, very, very inexpensive, but we also have to remember that if we have a chemical toilet, which is fine, it also has to be emptied.
		And so here we are in backyard survival conditions, and we're using our chemical toilet.
		We have a nice screen round it.
		We've educated our children.
		We're used to it.
		But we have to remember we have to make provisions for emptying the thing.
		That has to be emptied into the ground.
		I tell you how to do it in my book.
		But if you're doing that, you might just as well construct an earth toilet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have no idea how much of a pleasure it has been having you on, and we are going to have you back again because we have barely, obviously, scratched the surface.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Truly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ted, I want to thank you, and I hope you sell a lot of books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly deserve to.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Art, very much.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		At one point, if I may make for your answer to your question about your star, I've been thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And I will give you this guideline.
		Everything we consume through our mouth, our body decides what it is detrimental to us and what isn't.
		What's detrimental either gets eliminated or stored.
		So whatever is in that water, providing it is not detrimental to the body, it's no problem.
		But I would like to see some clinical analysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would too.
		I would too.
		I just am amazed by the system.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It's been a pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		It's been helpful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly have.
		Take care, my friend.
		That's Ted Wright, who wrote a Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual, FEMA recommended reading material.
		It's written for the average guy or gal.
		And so if survival is on your mind, you might want to call and get a copy of $17.95 delivered to you.
		I understand it is written for the average guy or gal.
		That would be us, right?
		So what are you?
		The survivor?
		Or are you going to go out and open your arms and say, take me, I don't want to be around anymore?
		If you're a survivor, this is a book you'd want to read.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Listening to Artfell, somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 13th, 1998.
		You know the tail of the earth all sweet to begin with on fire.
		I'm cold like a wheel that's turning My love is a lie My love is a lie Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah
		There's something inside that's making me crazy.
		I'll try to keep it together.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Dean Adele.
unidentified		I'll try to keep it together.
		Dr. Dean Adele.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 13th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A secret place in time, and that reminds me, I want to talk to you about my time machine.
		I have something to say.
		I have several things to say about that shortly.
		We'll get to it.
		Hang in there.
unidentified		Hang in there.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		tonight an encore presentation of coast to coast a m from april thirteenth nineteen ninety eight Back to open lines we go for the balance of the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Mike from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		About the Dalai Lama, I believe that Sean Morton might actually have a connection to him.
unidentified		He might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		I would, of course, dearly love to interview the Dalai Lama.
		And actually, when you think about it, it might be possible.
		The Dalai Lama has, of course, a very great cause, and I would think would want to get the word out.
		So you never know.
unidentified		I think so, too.
		The reason I say that is because I'm kind of a friend of a friend of his.
		Oh, really?
		Yeah, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe you have a way.
unidentified		Well, yeah, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See what you can do.
unidentified		I will do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bless your heart.
		Thank you.
		Oh, I'd love to interview the Dalai Lama.
		Of course.
		Actually, I think she told Scott that if he went in reverse, he'd probably end up in some prior life.
		Easy to the Rockies or on the or hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're not too loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to get right up on your phone and yell at us.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		This is Doran calling from Hyattsville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hyattsville.
unidentified		Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maryland, alright?
unidentified		Right, right outside of D.C. Ah, yes.
unidentified		And could not believe what I saw when I was driving home tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tonight?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Near our nation's capital?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you see?
unidentified		A nice big green meteor coming down towards D.C. Don't say meteor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see it?
unidentified		I saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, did you see it on the ground?
unidentified		It did not hit.
unidentified		It burned up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you can't know for sure that it was a meteor.
unidentified		Right, but I have not seen one like this.
unidentified		I mean, it's the same shade of green as a stoplight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's God throwing rocks at D.C. Well, it could be.
unidentified		It might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you think about it, if you're God, it's one of the tools you have at hand.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		Have you heard any I mean, is there any explanation on what these green meteors are meteors or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, the traditional explanation is that, you know, certain chemicals will burn certain colors as they enter the atmosphere, and I'm sure that is true for a majority of things that enter our atmosphere.
		Certain mineral or chemical will burn a certain color.
		But we are having a very unusual amount of green fireballs, and do I have an explanation for it?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I suspicious?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's proper to call everything that we don't understand, but that we see a meteor.
		I'm very much against that.
		Because you don't really know until you have recovered something and you can see it's a rock.
		And then you can say, oh, yeah, it's a meteor.
		See, here it is.
		Otherwise, you don't know what it is.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, this is Louis from Louisville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Louis from Louisville.
		All right.
		You like stories, Art?
		I love stories, sir.
unidentified		Stories.
		Well, it's a quarter after five here in Louisville, right?
		And it's nighttime when everybody has a lot of insomniacs out tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Well, this is an old story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
unidentified		And it's a true story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a good story, is the important question.
unidentified		Well, if it's true, it's got to be good, right?
		Well.
		It's about a king.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A king?
unidentified		His name was Nimrod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		King Nimrod.
unidentified		You ever heard of Nimrod?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of Nimrod.
unidentified		Well, you heard of the travel trailer Nimrod?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've heard of a king Nimrod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, continue your story.
unidentified		Okay, he had a wife, Semiramus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was the first kingdom in the world.
		It was mentioned in Genesis.
		And Nimrod and Semiramis sat down one evening and they tried to figure out how to control the people.
		They referred to them as cattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We in modern day we call them sheep.
unidentified		Plato referred to them as cattle.
unidentified		But sheep is a good term.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sheep or sheeple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And they sat down and they scratched their head and they wonder, how are we going to control all these people?
		How are we going to make them do what we want them to do?
		Yes.
		And in Babylon, they had a group of people there that were very interested in astronomy.
		In fact, they were the first astronomers in history.
		And they could predict eclipses, comets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet I know where this is going.
		This is really cool.
		I bet they predicted, they knew that the sun was going to go into eclipse, so they suggested to everybody that they would demonstrate their power by causing the sun to go away.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was just a wild guess.
unidentified		That they could control the people very easily.
		The stupid, uneducated masses, which were purposely stupid because they made sure they didn't receive any education.
		That they could control the masses by frightening them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, even I could do that.
		I mean, if I could figure out a way to not get the sun to come up until 11.45 tomorrow morning nationwide.
		And I could actually produce that.
unidentified		I could scare the hell out of everybody.
		I think the only face we have to worry about is the face we see reflected back at us in the mirror.
		What do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you're probably right.
		I do.
		I do.
		I think that is the face we have to worry most about.
		That's not to say the face on Mars is not something to, and by tomorrow we're going to have the photographs of the city area.
		By tomorrow night, we should have some good photographs.
		Now, what lesson did we learn from the last raw data that they gave us, raw data in quotes, okay?
		We learned that we should not look at and judge the first photograph that is pulled from this raw data by airtime.
		By the time I get on the air tomorrow night, we should have some sort of decent image from NASA.
		I therefore have scheduled Richard Hoagland for tomorrow night.
		It will be an interesting program, one way or the other.
		Believe me, one way or the other.
		It's going to be an interesting.
		So whatever you do, you don't want to miss tomorrow night.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bell.
		Yes.
		This is Siana from Sedona, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sienna?
unidentified		Sienna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty name.
unidentified		Well, it's my Tibetan name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you get the Dalai Lama for me?
unidentified		You know, he was on Lar King.
		And he's not that unaccessible.
		Larry, of course, gave his usual insipid interview and asked him a bunch of very mundane and stupid questions.
		And I'm sure you could do much better.
		Like what?
		Oh, he asked him what he was doing as the Dalai Lama.
		Really?
		What's your favorite movie, Dolly?
		Well, we're going to talk about Seven Years in Tibet because I know that you've seen it because you've mentioned it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was kidding.
		I just saw it, as a matter of fact.
		It was not that.
unidentified		Did you notice where the Dalai Lama in that movie, which is the current Dalai Lama, was interested in making movies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was interested in watching movies, and I suppose ultimately he would have loved to have made one.
unidentified		must be about sixty years old now yes he's a I just adored him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would love to interview him.
unidentified		I'm calling about your time machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm glad you didn't use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not yet, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's terribly tempting.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		You can't time travel alone.
		You need the resources of others because it's a wretched world out there in time travel right now.
		There's a strong criminal element.
		It's vigors.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time thieves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's vigors.
unidentified		And also, you have to be physically prepared.
		Your body has to go through a fasting period.
		Really?
		You just can't go time to I mean, I know this could make sense to the most.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'd be dead then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you've got to be pure of body, pure of heart, then I'd fry like a McDonald's French fry.
unidentified		Well, you don't have to be pure of heart and pure of body forever, because I'm going to tell you something.
unidentified		There's some very wicked people out there with time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I've been hearing.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		Time thieves.
		It figures, right?
		Now, there would be something you could do.
		You could go to another time, and you could steal.
		And what a getaway.
		And you're gone.
unidentified		I wonder if that's where some things actually have gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hey, Art.
		I was just wondering, I had a couple of questions.
unidentified		Do you got any pictures of that time travel machine on there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'll tell you what.
		I put it up on my studio cam once, but I have taken some rather good 35 millimeter photographs of it, and I'm going to get those developed and scanned on the website, all right?
		All right, that's pretty nice.
		And one more question.
unidentified		Have you ever had a show or anybody on that has dealt with the Illuminati?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to open up an Illuminati line one night just to see what I would get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think I would get?
unidentified		I don't know.
		Probably a lot of people claiming they're members.
		Well?
		Only a couple of people.
		Well, let's find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
		All right.
		I hereby declare my first time caller line to be an Illuminati line.
		Let's test the theory.
		Are there any Illuminati members out there?
		Particularly members that would like to tell all.
		If you are a member of the Illuminati, call now.
		Area code 702-727-1222.
		Illuminati members only.
		Now, this requires the cooperation of the audience.
unidentified		All right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to test and see if there are any Illuminati out there.
		I promised to do this for a while, so why not now?
		See, it's ringing.
		Now, do you suppose that's an Illuminati guy on there or a gal?
		Let's find out.
		Hello there on my Illuminati line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
		It's not an Illuminati person.
		Somebody just doing it.
		Try again.
		See, they hung up.
		See, that's why I have a hard time with these things.
		Try it again.
		On my Illuminati line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to say anything?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you an Illuminati member?
unidentified		Yes, we are.
unidentified		We?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there more than one?
unidentified		Well, no, I'm here alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a member of...
unidentified		Well, it's kind of a s organization that goes back to the Cabal in the Middle Ages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That far?
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's where they trace their origins from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you control...
		What do you do?
		I don't really know what the Illuminati does.
unidentified		Well, they're always seeking archaeological discoveries, starting with...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do so many people fear you?
unidentified		Well, just mainly because we pulled the strings for the higher organizations in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you admit to that, then?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		How long have you been a member?
		I've been a member myself for 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me that you and your buds control the U.S. government behind the scenes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you do so by what means?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what power do you have over our elected leaders to be able to control things?
unidentified		Well, the successive presidents that have started after St. Truman, they always get briefed once they get elected by the Illuminati, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So again, though, I ask, what is the power that you have over these presidents that allows you to brief them and tell them what they must do?
unidentified		It's kind of what Edgar Mitchell alluded to when he talks about the ultimate Big Brother scenario, where it's just the hired Illuminati members and,
unidentified		say, the CIA or the so-called initial organizations have always controlled the executive branch of the government since, like I said earlier, since President Truman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but you still, thank you for the call.
		You have not told me how you do it.
		Dan, that everybody suggests there is a conspiracy and that groups like the Illuminati control everything that is.
		My question is, by what power?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Yeah, it's Chris in Fort Erie, Ontario again.
unidentified		How you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, we're hearing a lot from Canada, Chris.
unidentified		Yeah, well, it's my third call to you.
		Yes, sir?
		I was listening to the show, and I was thinking about the full moon theory and the effects.
		I myself into a I'm into a law enforcement myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't doubt it, do you?
unidentified		Oh, no.
		Also a volunteer firefighter, and we also have really kind of strange calls during those time periods.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but when you go to the scientists, though, I mean, you know it.
		I do talk radio.
		Believe me, I know it.
		Everybody who works with the public knows it, but when you go to a scientist, they say Boulder Dash, it's a bunch of baloney.
		There's no scientific reason why people should act any differently during a full moon.
		They're full of it.
unidentified		I heard a theory once on this, and it spurred my thoughts the last time you talked about it on the show.
		And it goes with something to the effect of the atmosphere itself and how the atmosphere gets ionized during the daytime.
		And certain wavelengths or frequencies or wavelengths from the sun itself don't make it through the atmosphere during the daytime because it's been energized.
		Right.
		I've heard a theory once.
		I can't tell you where I've heard it.
		I can't remember.
		But with the moon in the night sky reflecting those light rays from the sun, they penetrate the atmosphere.
		Getting bypass the ionization effect?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		That was just a thought I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I honestly have no way of knowing, but you're right.
		It could be it.
		I appreciate it, sir.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On my Illuminati line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a member of the Illuminati?
unidentified		I always have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You always have been?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
		All right.
		Let me try this question on you.
		By what power?
		Well, first of all, do you agree with the last caller that presidents and nations are controlled by groups like yours?
unidentified		Yeah, I don't agree with the last caller, but the United States is controlled by a group, by our group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is?
unidentified		Yes, and the power comes from the Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Vatican?
unidentified		Right.
		I am a Luminata.
		We are Illuminati.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, well, is it the Pope at the Vatican or is it some behind-the-scenes thing?
unidentified		It's exactly right.
unidentified		It's a behind-the-scenes thing in the Vatican, which controls behind-the-scenes countries worldwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Father of Martin knows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But by what power?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what influence, what threat, what power?
unidentified		What juice do we have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, juice.
		knowledge of the future knowledge of the Right.
		You have knowledge of the future.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Based on.
unidentified		Based on the holy scriptures that are in the vaults in the Vatican.
		Ancient uniform tablets.
		Babylonian tablets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're beginning to convince me a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've always said it, and it continues to be true, knowledge is power.
unidentified		Well, of course it is.
unidentified		And absolute knowledge is absolute power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said that each president, each and every president is briefed when they come into office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe briefed is the wrong word.
unidentified		Well, not by us.
		They may be briefed concerning things we know and don't you feel guilty running the world?
		Not at all.
		I'd feel guilty if we didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that the Illuminati is the only thing that keeps the trains running on time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that it?
unidentified		Well, it keeps the public from panicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean if we knew the entire truth?
unidentified		Or part of the entire truth, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even part of it?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'd panic?
unidentified		Yeah, sir.
unidentified		There'd be widespread pandemonium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		There is our second Illuminati call.
		Well, that one kind of makes sense.
		If you knew what was coming, that would give you a great deal of power, wouldn't it, from the panic?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 13, 1998.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		Oh, my God.
		13, 1998.
		The midnight moon, dripping the blue, lays a sway of the trees.
		I saw the look in your eyes, looking into mine, seeing what you wanted to be.
		Darling, I'll say a word already.
		What about the same tonight?
		I've got a bad mood.
		I've got a flow on my mind I want the man with a snow hand.
		I fall in love with the deep touch.
		I want the bad news.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 13th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, everybody.
unidentified		I've got the Illuminati line opened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you see how easy it is?
		You can even summon the Illuminati.
		Boom, just like that.
		Snap your fingers, and there they are.
		On my Illuminati line, you are on the air.
		Are you a member of the Illuminati?
unidentified		Yes, I am, Mr. Battle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
		And from where are you calling?
		Or is that secret?
unidentified		That is an absurd question, Mr. Bows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Vatican, of course.
unidentified		Don't be ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
		Well, so you're not going to tell us.
		All right, so what is the Illuminati?
		Or is that an absurd question?
unidentified		Oh, certainly not.
		Certainly not.
		What most people are familiar with, with the Illuminati, that has been disbanded since my organization took over about 17 odd years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the Illuminati is now gone, and you or your organization have replaced them?
unidentified		There's a ragtag resistance, one might say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few lingering Illuminati members hoping for the good old days.
unidentified		Hining away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, all right.
		What organization do you represent?
unidentified		The JBI, the Jet Black Illuminati.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, that sounds evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Jet Black Illuminati.
unidentified		The name was a bit of a joke, but it's quite appropriate for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And does the Illuminati, as has been suggested by others, control everything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of us are fed up with this, you know.
unidentified		We control destiny.
unidentified		And ultimate destiny is all that matters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate to think that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everybody wants to believe they have free will and that we live in a free country that cuts its own path, its own destiny, and you're telling us it's just not true.
unidentified		Eventually, the powers that be will control.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you know, somehow you sound just the way I imagined you would.
		Foreign and evil.
		Yeah, you're welcome.
		Thanks for the call.
		Another Illuminati.
		JBI Jet Black Illuminati.
		Whatever in the hell that is.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art Neal, Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I must have a direct line to you or something.
		Anyways, two quick things.
		One, I still don't see the Sphinx.
		Well, then all I can say is secondly, it was just on ABC News Richard Hoagland's old firm is building a vehicle to go in and survey Chernobyl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean NASA?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		NASA is going to go in and survey Chernobyl?
unidentified		They're building a vehicle similar to the one they have on Mars because it's evidently still leaking.
		And the Russians have tried and tried, and they keep sending these vehicles in that they've built, but the radiation is so intense that it's like melting the lens and the wires and stuff, they said.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going to tell me they sent little vehicles in with guys.
unidentified		No, no.
		They said that the radiation is so intense that a man could go in there and he couldn't spend any longer than four minutes.
		Four minutes of exposure is like a year to a human, they said.
		Yikes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So NASA's going to send their robot in, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, and I bet you they won't have any malfunctions with this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		We'll see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the news.
		Very interesting news, since we happened to be talking about Chernobyl a little earlier.
		On my Illuminati line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, the thing is that the conspiracy is that for years they've been saying aluminum cans, but they ain't.
		It's steel.
		It's steel.
		And I'm going to tell you that people have been saying that for I don't know how long, and they know that it's the truth.
		And if anybody ever tells you otherwise...
		Oh, no, no, no, no.
		It's thin steel.
		And we've been paying prices that are unconscionable for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the aluminum conspiracy.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aluminum naughty.
		I'm sorry.
		Never mind.
		You are sorry.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Go ahead, Will.
unidentified		I was trying to get a hold of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's who you've got, so turn your radio off.
		That's the first thing.
		All right, good.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Kingman, Arizona.
		Yes, sir.
		And I'm calling in particular about the producer that called last night because I happen to be an expert on chippacabra.
		Okay.
		Yes, I do know that.
		I do know they're making a movie called Chippacabra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They promised me a speaking role in that movie.
unidentified		I beg your pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An audio role that I would be able to say something.
unidentified		I understand they gave you a speaking role on it, if you wish to have it.
		But the documentation of the Chupacabra was produced by NBC, the National Broadcasting Company, in 1976.
		And it was produced through a documentary called Euphorians, Warlords of the Universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Euphorians?
unidentified		Yes, this is a movie they produced that was a documentary that told you where all UFOs, chupacabras, so on and so forth actually come from.
		And I do have the phone number that I'd give you off the air.
		I don't think you want to broadcast NBC's number over the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd get very upset.
unidentified		And I'd be more than happy to hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'd have to hold on until the end of the program, and I can't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try calling me after the program.
unidentified		After the program on the wildcard line or your other line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the wildcard line.
unidentified		Okay, because chip covers have existed for years and years and years, and they were proved, as a matter of fact, to be doing all the cat mutilations around the country.
unidentified		UCLA and the University of Irvine did a study, and as a matter of fact, they had Kodak develop some special film for them at $8,000 a roll clear back in the early 70s in order to take pictures of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where, Pray tell, are these photographs now?
unidentified		They are at NBC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		NBC has them?
unidentified		Yes, NBC has the entire documentation of the entire movie.
		What it was was a lecture by different professors.
		And when people saw it on TV, if they thought it was a science fiction movie, they turned it off because anybody who's been to a lecture knows that they get very boring, very long, and very drawn out.
		And they told why the UFOs have contacts with every nation in the world and refuse to deal with the United States or with England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's a lot to be holding on to.
unidentified		Well, they think that we are the wolf in sheep's clothing is what it boils down to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're probably right.
unidentified		Yeah, there's a very high probability of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, I've got a scooter.
		I appreciate the call.
		try and get hold of me after the show and we'll get the secret NBC number.
unidentified		NBC number.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 13, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time I want to talk to you about my time machine because I'm getting so many faxes about it.
		Stephen Gibbs sent me a full-fledged, allegedly operable time machine.
		All right?
		Now, the time machine has various controls on it.
		It uses plugs into the wall.
		It has a gigantic, I mean a really big electromagnet, heavy sucker that comes with it, and various other apparatus, some of which is supposed to be wound around your head and so forth and so on.
		Now, I have now had the time machine for about three weeks.
		I have looked at it longingly any number of times.
		We recently were acquired by the JCorp Corporation, actually Premier Radio J.Corp, Premier J.Corp.
		And we had a kind of a party here with the top Premier J.Corp brass.
		That was a week ago this last Sunday.
		And during the course of the party, the time machine came out.
		We had it on our pool table in here.
		And one of the corporate attorneys, very adventuresome fellow, was all Set to use the time machine.
		When I walked into the room, somebody summoned me and said, All right, you better get in here quick.
		My wife had the plug in her hand, and this attorney was going to take a ride on our time machine, and she was headed toward the wall socket.
		That's how close it was.
		Now, I have never been so severely criticized as in the faxes that I have received, criticizing me for stopping that, suggesting various things, usually mixing it with some sort of attorney joke, suggesting that any other time would reject him and he'd be bound to come back because they'd probably throw him back.
		But on the serious side of things, I have not yet tried it, and I don't know that I'm going to.
		I am not accepting volunteers, and I don't wish to see anybody fraud, including a corporate attorney.
		I'm really being serious now.
		I may try this thing.
		If I do, I will do it.
		Everybody's trying to volunteer.
		From 12-year-old callers on up, they're trying to volunteer.
		I am not convinced it is safe.
		I'm really not, as a matter of fact, in the manual, if misused, it suggests that it could produce severe brain damage.
		So, no, I have not jumped to try my time machine.
		There are times when I am, somewhat, I admit, tempted.
		And I may, but if I do, I will do it myself.
		I don't wish to be charged with murder or homicide or whatever it is, some sort of level of homicide, some degree of homicide.
		Certainly, if I were to wire somebody up and plug this sucker into the wall and they fry it, that'd be it for me.
		Right?
		So it's easy to sit out there and make jokes and to suggest that you'd volunteer, you'd do it.
		I'm thinking about it.
		Give me a little time.
		This is not one of those things you rush into.
		Who had one there?
		You'd feel the same way about it.
		Believe me, I'm thinking about it.
		Don't worry, I'm thinking about it.
		And I may try it.
		Oh, I don't think I would do it.
		Everybody wants me to do it on the air so they could hear the sizzle.
		Not going to do that either.
		I've had enough attorney jokes.
		I'm telling you, he was that close.
		That close.
		Well, all right, back to the lines we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm an investigative writer calling from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've uncovered something that's so big and bizarre, I don't know what to do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it even bigger than the Illuminati?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to imagine, but.
unidentified		It's bigger than that and probably inclusive.
unidentified		We'll start with the Screams from Hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What you're listening to is an entertainment of sorts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very entertaining.
unidentified		Yeah.
		It's an imperial power-eating event.
		And the screams are coming from the power containers being relieved of their power.
		The commanding voice is a master of ceremonies orchestrating the entire event.
		And there's a connection with the face on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Figures.
unidentified		I told you it's big and bizarre, and I'm really not sure what to do with it.
unidentified		I mean, the face is a lion being extracted from a man, a lion emerging from a man face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does look feline in nature, doesn't it?
unidentified		Yes, it does.
		And there's a connection with that face of the Sphinx on Giza.
		It's the same type of image, the lion-man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lion-man.
unidentified		A lion-man or a man-lion.
		The lion being extracted from the man.
		The event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like man's feline side.
unidentified		Something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man getting in touch with the feline in him.
unidentified		Just something like that.
		Something like that.
		The power heating event is called Dewey Topper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called what?
unidentified		Doing Topper.
unidentified		Dune.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say Dune Topper?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		Doing Topper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing Topper?
unidentified		Or the Red Lion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		I can do it.
		Let me get in touch with the feline in me.
unidentified		There we go.
		All right.
		Yeah, I knew this wasn't going to be easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's never easy.
unidentified		Yeah.
		So the...
		Help me out here.
		I don't know where to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way in the world.
		I don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
		I mean, I know that the face looks vaguely feline in nature.
		Cast that, you've lost me.
unidentified		It's an idol.
		It's an image.
		It's an idol of worship of sorts.
		It's also an advertisement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have not prayed to this, have you?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened when Moses came down and saw them all praying to the false gods, the idols?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was real trouble.
unidentified		The idea of a large space like that is an advertisement that can be seen from a high orbit.
		And what it's saying is that we have the red lion here.
		Come and get it.
		The Sphinx is the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have the red lion.
unidentified		The red lion.
		What the red lion is, is a super drug that's achieved.
		What?
		It's a super drug that's achieved with a high technology hookup.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going downhill.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, this is the Art Bell show.
		I need all the help I can get on this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no way I can help you.
		Plus, you're going to have to finish this later.
		I couldn't finish the show like this.
		It's an advertisement for a drug?
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller align, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Mr. Caller.
unidentified		Talking about your time machine.
unidentified		Hey, whatever happened to Madman Markham?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, now there is another reason that I'm thinking really hard about this.
		Good question.
		Whatever happened to Madman Markham?
		He's been gone, gone, gone for about a year.
unidentified		That was a boy.
		I got such a kick out of that.
		I'll tell you what, ricked up how many transformers and had arcs and things going and cat through there.
		I know.
		Decided to jump through himself.
		I know.
		Huh.
		Well, I hope somebody throws him back from whatever time he went to so we can hear from him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the guy's been missing for a year, and so you wonder why I'm a little hesitant to wire myself up and plug myself in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know what?
unidentified		You should probably just take a blowtorch to that thing and cut it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I mean, how many people have a time machine?
		Not too many.
		Right?
unidentified		Well, how many people have a time machine that are using it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably even fewer.
		I'm glad I have it.
		I just, you know, believe me, if you had it there, you would think really, really, really hard before you wired yourself up and plugged yourself in.
unidentified		Yeah, I think I would do that.
		I think you're very smart to leave it unplugged.
		Another thing, that Time Wanderer, is since then the facts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wave Rider, yes.
unidentified		Wave Rider.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard from him again?
		Well, the last communication I had is now on the web.
		It was really interesting.
		Thank you.
		As a matter of fact, the last communication I got was not number three.
		It was facts number two, which came out of sequence, which I thought really, really intriguing when you consider it.
		You've got to go up there and read all three.
		And I think we left them in the sequence they came in, which is incorrect, which in itself tells a story if you think about it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The last call, it was hard.
unidentified		Kind of strange, wasn't it?
		Yeah.
		Actually, the reason I'm calling tonight is I'm in Oklahoma City.
		This is Jay.
		Yes, Jay.
		I'm a law enforcement officer here in Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And a while back, the cartoon that came out in reference to the Oklahoma City bombing trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Benson cartoon?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I was just calling to personally thank you for the stud that you took on that and they, you know, the disposition that you took on it and for all the victims here in the Oklahoma City area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate that.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still wonder why Steve Benson decided he was going to try and connect me to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one really puzzled me.
unidentified		Yeah, whatever come of him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's still around.
		He did another cartoon on me the other day, but that's okay.
		One of my listeners did a cartoon on him, and we got it on the website.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's called Our View of Benson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to see it.
unidentified		I'll have to take a look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty good, believe me.
unidentified		But I just wanted to thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, sir.
		On the serious side, I really do appreciate that.
		Thank you.
		That was a rough time for our country, wasn't it?
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Ert.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		This is Rick from Ogden.
unidentified		I called you a couple weeks ago.
unidentified		Told you about this thing in Utah about the man who's going to marry his cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The guy who was going to marry his cat.
unidentified		Yeah, so he told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was really serious, wasn't it?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently it is.
		I know the guy that knows the guy.
		And he told me he's going to email you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is it going to be a civil ceremony, or is it going to be a tribulation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there'd be no priest who would marry a guy to his cat.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, he tried that angle.
unidentified		Apparently he can't.
		But he wants it to be ordained by the state, so he's trying to make...
		It's just kind of odd.
		It's just all so odd.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		He's going to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happens with the ring?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you put a ring on a paw?
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Great question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This really is serious, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a guy out there that wants to marry a cat.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		And also, keep looking for that CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you can only imagine the honeymoon night, huh?
unidentified		Dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, so the late news is he's still trying, huh?
unidentified		Still trying, and maybe I can get you some photos.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		And he says he wants to send you some emails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather look at the monkey photos.
ted wright ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to see those, too.
unidentified		But also, please keep looking for that CD because I know you're going to like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, pay me for this.
		Listen, the program's over.
		You want to tell everybody good night?
unidentified		Yes, good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.

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