April 9, 1998 - Art Bell
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In the Kingdom of Nigh on the Wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295. | |
| That's Area Code 702-727-1295. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| This is going to be a very, very interesting night. | ||
| In a moment, we've got coming up Jim Birkland. | ||
| Jim Birkland is a member of the Geological Society of America and eight other professional organizations. | ||
| For 10 years, he worked for the Department of the Interior and the USPS, the U.S. Geological Survey, and the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. | ||
| And I'll tell you more about him in a moment. | ||
| But he's going to be commenting on a number of contemporary things like the Base on Mars imaging, the resolution, what it means. | ||
| And as you may or may not know, I have a really, really strong feeling for whatever it's worth, which may be absolutely nothing, that there is a substantial earthquake about to occur in somewhere in the next three to seven days. | ||
| and i wouldn't begin to tell you where We'll talk to him about earthquakes because that would be right down his alley, maybe deep holes, too. | ||
| So all of that coming up. | ||
| Listen, if you will hightail it up to my website right this minute, Robert Ghostwolf came through with his promise and he sent me the photographs that he took. | ||
| And I re-scanned what I consider to be the critically important photograph, and I mean critically important. | ||
| And I came in a little closer on what I consider to be unambiguously in the Rocky Mountains of the U.S. a Sphinx. | ||
| And so the rescanned photographs, the ones I scanned that he sent, kindly sent to me, are on the web now. | ||
| And I'm showing you, it'll take you, you know, they're about 200K files. | ||
| So it'll paint slowly down your screen, but the resolution is, of course, much, much higher. | ||
| And if that's not a Sphinx, then I'm not a ham operator. | ||
| And I am, by the way, W6OBB. | ||
| So you've got to go take a look. | ||
| You've really got to see this. | ||
| I mean, it's in the Rocky Mountains. | ||
| And by the way, it was perhaps unfortunate, though I understand why he did it, that he said these were taken at the 14,000-foot level. | ||
| They were not. | ||
| That was an intentionally misleading statement. | ||
| He doesn't want the site desecrated, and I understand that perfectly. | ||
| A Sphinx in our Rocky Mountains, our Rocky Mountains? | ||
| Yes, I think so. | ||
| I'm telling you, go take a look at the new photographs. | ||
| And if you don't think that's a Sphinx, well, fine. | ||
| But to me, it jumps right out at you, and the response I've had thus far on the rescan photographs is really, really good. | ||
| You go take a look. | ||
| That's one item. | ||
| The sounds from hell have also been put up there, and you can either download them or listen to them online. | ||
| So having said all of that, which I wanted to get out to everybody, be sure you've got it, all of that is at my website, www.artbell.com. | ||
| That's A-R-T. | ||
| And then Bell, like the one that rings, all lowercase. | ||
| www.artbell.com. | ||
| Now, Snappy, you've got nothing to lose but the fat. | ||
| All right, now comes Jim Birkland. | ||
| So you know who you're listening to. | ||
| He is a fellow in the Geological Society of America and a member of eight other professional organizations. | ||
| During his 10 years of college and university geological education and his 35 years in practical applications, he's had a broad base of experience in field geology and underlined this aerial photographic interpretation. | ||
| That's very important, based on essay. | ||
| He worked more than 10 years for the Department of the Interior, about equally divided between the U.S. Geological Survey and the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. | ||
| He is a registered geologist by the state of California, certified as an engineering geologist. | ||
| As a matter of fact, number 58. | ||
| A major part of his career has been more than 20 years as the first county geologist for the most populous county in Northern California, that'd be Santa Clara County. | ||
| In addition, he has taught geology at the university level on both coasts, including engineering geology, geomorphology, oceanography, general geology for science teachers, and has published more than 50 scientific papers in geology and has had a lifelong advocation of astronomy. | ||
| That makes Jim Birkeland uniquely qualified to comment on all kinds of things that we have questions about. | ||
| Jim, welcome to the show. | ||
| Thank you, Art. | ||
| Pleasure. | ||
| It's fourth time. | ||
| Yes, it is about fourth time, isn't it? | ||
| Well, you're an expert in a lot of areas that seem to cross my airways. | ||
| Now, here is question number one. | ||
| Right off the bat, let's ask about it. | ||
| I take it that you have been very closely following the whole Mars controversy, which has exploded now, that they have reimaged the face on Mars. | ||
| Yes, for a long time, the only time I saw anything about it was on the tabloids at the grocery store. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then about, oh, 1992 or 3, I finally Says, why am I not hearing from my colleagues in this? | ||
| This obviously is face-like, and I'm tired of hearing so-called experts saying it doesn't look like a face, it's just a funny-looking hill. | ||
| And from my experience with geomorphology and aerial photographs, I can say there's nothing approaching it on the face of the earth except that the Sphinx and maybe Mount Rushmore. | ||
| And by the way, just as a matter of curiosity, Robert Ghostwolf went into the Rockies and found what to me is a Sphinx. | ||
| And he originally took some photographs that were just, you know, sort of so-so in quality in the scanning. | ||
| But I re-scanned these photographs and I put them up there and it knocks you right in the eye. | ||
| Have you seen them? | ||
| Yep, that's your advice. | ||
| I went over and I downloaded it, made a little picture of it here, and I'm looking at it right now. | ||
| And it definitely is quite face-like. | ||
| I would say its nose is in better shape than that of the real Sphinx, because I was over there, too, with John Anthony West just a few months before you were. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's a whole separate thing. | ||
| Anyway, continue to comment on this photograph. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It is most intriguing. | ||
| It does look like it's in a very massive rock, either a very massive sandstone or granite. | ||
| And from this angle, there's no questioning that it is face-like. | ||
| We could certainly use more photographs from other angles, and I'm sure they will follow. | ||
| But this latest scan is quite a bit more revealing. | ||
| Yeah, I looked at those first ones, and they were totally unconvincing. | ||
| This one is most intriguing, although I do lean towards it being a natural feature. | ||
| I'd like to see it close up. | ||
| At the very least, it's either not natural or a hell of a good accident of nature. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| Now, so about the face on Mars. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| And so I finally, I wasn't sure if I heard about Professor Stanley McDaniel. | ||
| First I heard from Hoagland, Richard Hoagland. | ||
| And he was about to, he was in San Francisco and was being interviewed on a radio station out here. | ||
| And he said that he was going to speak at the West Coast headquarters of NASA at Mountain View. | ||
| And so I had just given a talk at the Director's Colloquium a few months earlier, and I thought that would give me a little in and I could hear his talk. | ||
| And so I called over to their program manager, and he said, I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| And I said, well, I heard Richard Hogland say he was going to be speaking here on Tuesday, and I would like to hear him speak. | ||
| Can anyone else go in there other than just NASA people? | ||
| He said, I don't know anything about it. | ||
| I'll look into it and call you back. | ||
| About two hours later, close to infuriated, he called me back. | ||
| Richard Hogland is not a member of NASA. | ||
| He's never been a member of NASA, and he's trying to come in through the side door. | ||
| It turns out that the retired NASA people had invited him to speak in one of the buildings at NASA, at Mount View. | ||
| I see. | ||
| And by wanting to hear him speak, I'd inadvertently shot down his talk. | ||
| They were concerned about the talk he'd given in the Eastern headquarters and made a videotape of his talk, which I've seen, and as the way he speaks. | ||
| And by the way, I certainly support your caller earlier that said they ought to appoint Richard Holdland as new head of NASA. | ||
| Now, I bet he would accept the appointment. | ||
| Well, he might. | ||
| He might. | ||
| The whole concept is intriguing to me. | ||
| I've got to play this one out a little bit. | ||
| Richard Holdland is head of NASA. | ||
| Wow, that would change that program. | ||
| Well, somebody needs to make the rest of these NASA people toe the line. | ||
| Well, now here we go. | ||
| I would like to get, obviously, as you well know, NASA has reimaged the face. | ||
| With great expectancy. | ||
| I could hardly sleep the night before. | ||
| I've been waiting for this. | ||
| Now, I was one of those invited back to Cody, Wyoming to the Moon Mars conference. | ||
| I gave a talk there, heard from two other geologists, which was most gratifying to me that finally a couple of others in my field were recognizing this didn't appear to be a natural feature. | ||
| And I heard from religious leaders and architects, historians, engineers, a little bit of everything attended that conference, and it was really heartwarming and revealing. | ||
| And then I waited for more information to come out, especially when that last Mars observer blew up, just as it was about to enter orbit. | ||
| That was most discouraging. | ||
| But then we knew that this was coming up. | ||
| And all of a sudden they came with this new program to air brake it instead of normal landing. | ||
| And that gave them more time to kind of figure out how they were going to reveal this to the American public and the world. | ||
| When those first shots came out, as you noted, almost entirely black. | ||
| I did compare it with your satellite shots of the weather station. | ||
| People are saying, by the way, that that is an unfair comparison because obviously an Earth orbiter is close by, whereas this other spacecraft is all the way out at Mars, and so there is going to be more noise. | ||
| I have contention with that. | ||
| I believe that with the large dishes, they have perfect full quieting transmissions from that spacecraft. | ||
| Have you seen any of the strips from the earlier photographs on this mission? | ||
| Well, that's my other proof. | ||
| In other words, they're real strips. | ||
| So what happened here? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And as you and Oagland and your webmaster pointed out, there were what, 71 or two shades of gray instead of 258. | ||
| We're only seeing one-third of the resolution. | ||
| That also is correct. | ||
| Two-thirds of the information is flat out missing. | ||
| And the first strips, when they finally had something you could see, they had stretched the features so that circular craters were quite Elongated into long ellipses. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And it's most interesting that when you look at this so-called face with this first photograph, I couldn't even believe it was the same part of Mars. | ||
| It looked like one of two things happened. | ||
| Either an atom bomb went off, completely destroying the whole damn thing, or my analogy, when I first saw it, I said, man, it looks like cat box to me. | ||
| I've got to clean up the cat box. | ||
| And it looks like cat box. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| Also, it has just a vague resemblance to an Egyptian cartouche. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're stretched out like that. | ||
| Now, even if that's all there is and there's no third dimension, you don't see the classic third dimension here. | ||
| Especially 1,500 feet high, as they know from the stereo photographs they got from the 1976 mission. | ||
| And this looks like it's just, you know, a couple hundred feet high, just sand dunes. | ||
| So also, but it does show this unusual headament feature around it, this ring around it, which is the base of the face. | ||
| But how was this formed? | ||
| On the Earth, they might call it a lackolith, an intrusion from below that just domed up the land, and then the inner part of it eroded away. | ||
| There's no bedding revealing here. | ||
| But it does make sense if we're only seeing one-third of the data. | ||
| If they had a newspaper picture and they took away two-thirds of the dots, you wouldn't have much. | ||
| No, you wouldn't. | ||
| Not anything recognizable. | ||
| Yes, and in Carlado's latest book, The Martian Enigmas, A Closer Look, he shows how statues are almost indecipherable under certain lighting conditions. | ||
| And how the face on Mars, through a Martian day, based on models they've made, most of the pictures are very ambiguous. | ||
| And it's only towards when the low sun angles come in that it becomes very clear. | ||
| You know, you've just given me a really good idea. | ||
| Somebody could go out and play a game by imaging in different lights statues that we know to be not natural, statues formed by the hand of man and photographed at different angles in different lighting. | ||
| That would be a very interesting experiment. | ||
| And then submitted to somebody and say, here, look, this is a photograph of Mars. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Well, certain groups out there would say, no matter what, obviously, tricks of light and shadow. | ||
| Yeah, we've been hearing that from the very beginning. | ||
| And this does explain, though, why suddenly Dr. Mallon and NASA became so cooperative and said, oh, yes, we really want to show everything there, and we will show it to the public immediately. | ||
| Instead of before, they said, we're not even interested in Sidonia. | ||
| And if we do take pictures, we're going to look through them and we'll let you know in a month or two. | ||
| That's what they said. | ||
| Big turnaround. | ||
| And I wrote him a letter back in about 83 at the urging of Dr. McDaniel. | ||
| And anyone that hasn't seen that opus magnum from Dr. McDaniel should at least try to find it in the library. | ||
| It is a wonderful one. | ||
| That's a big dog. | ||
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Well, he's growing. | |
| He's still growing, is he? | ||
| Well, I hope that this is about it because he takes me for walks and I can't bet, yeah. | ||
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So this Dr. Malin. | |
| Yes. | ||
| And what did I... | ||
| Malinger? | ||
| Yeah, to mallinger is to shun your duty, to fail to do your duty. | ||
| And I think that's most appropriate. | ||
| You believe Dr. Malin, Michael Malin, has failed to do his duty? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| He's the one that had complete control of the timing, the camera, the angles. | ||
| And why were not these pictures as finely tuned as the previous ones on this mission, let alone the one of 1976? | ||
| Well, let me pin you in the corner. | ||
| You don't have to answer this. | ||
| Do you think, under the circumstances, that what we got was an accidental poor resolution and rendition of the phase on Mars, or do you think that it was an intentional? | ||
| I think it was absolutely deliberate. | ||
| Now, at a meeting of NASA people in the fall two years ago, as they were about to launch these Mars satellites, I went to a meeting of taxpayers. | ||
| There were several hundred there to hear about all this exciting data about to be revealed to us. | ||
| We saw how they were going to bounce the rubber ball and how this little crawler was going to go out and take pictures of the rocks and all that. | ||
| It was most exciting. | ||
| I hadn't heard of all the details. | ||
| And then they had input from the audience, and I got up and waited to get to the microphone. | ||
| And I asked about the face on Mars, and it produced general laughter amongst the experts on the stage. | ||
| And, of course, there was a ripple effect in the audience. | ||
| The laughter curtain continues. | ||
| And what's being called by some the government media complex seems to have complete control of the information we're getting. | ||
| You may have noticed, Jim, as I did, that the first photograph that they somehow pulled from this black strip, the one that looked like a cat box, now that was the one that got shown to all the world on television that day. | ||
| It was on the front page of newspapers, the cat box. | ||
| Dan rather proclaimed it nothing but a pile of rocks. | ||
| And that is exactly the impression the great unwashed were left with. | ||
| And what you're telling me is we've been hoodwinked. | ||
| I think that's absolutely true, and eventually the truth will out. | ||
| All right, hold it right there. | ||
| Jim Birkeland, geologist, will be back in a moment from the high desert. | ||
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I'm Marvell, and this is Coast to Coast, A.M. Never be what you want to be. | |
| Let's play through the gun. | ||
| It's a long way home. | ||
| It takes a long way home. | ||
| When you're up one day, you don't believe at home. | ||
| Oh, you'll never know. | ||
| I'll say it's all you. | ||
| Then your wife seems to take you to the family. | ||
| Oh, the family. | ||
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| This is Coast at Coast A.M. with Art Bell. | ||
| Now, here again is Art Bell. | ||
| Once again, here I am. | ||
| Our website is, with all the bandwidth we have and we have a lot, is under siege right now, so bear with us if you can't get through. | ||
| The Ghost Wolf re-image photographs are up there and people are scrambling. | ||
| As well, the sounds from hell are up there, and people are scrambling, so it's a total overload situation. | ||
| I just had a little conversation with my webmaster, Keith Rowland. | ||
| I'll tell you about that in a moment. | ||
| But if you don't get through to the website right away, keep trying. | ||
| Eventually you will. | ||
| Back to Jim Birkland, who's saying some very, very strong things about the images, latest images that NASA has provided us of the face on Mars. | ||
| Very strong indeed, theory. | ||
| Jim, welcome back. | ||
| You know, what you're saying, you're saying very strong words about Michael Nalen and this whole imaging thing. | ||
| And it really does say, look, there is a conspiracy. | ||
| Is that what you believe? | ||
| I absolutely believe that. | ||
| You cannot, if you take a picture of the face from 1976, as shown on Carloto's and Hoagland's and McDaniel's books and a few others, and then you look at this rock ripple that they produced with this recent photograph, you can't get there from here. | ||
| The two don't jide. | ||
| They are not congruent, as we hear about reverse speech. | ||
| I would like to get some of these people on record and hear how they sound in reverse. | ||
| Well, as a matter of fact, we have done some of that with Michael Malin and others. | ||
| What about Professor McDaniel? | ||
| Now, I had him on the air the other day. | ||
| Professor McDaniel wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote profound suspicions about NASA and the whole face on Mars thing. | ||
| And then, just like two or three days, actually two days I think it was before the imaging, Professor McDaniel seemed to turn 180 degrees around after all these profound pronouncements about what he thought was going on inside NASA. | ||
| And all of a sudden, he was NASA. | ||
| Well, his university is about five miles from where I'm living to West, where it's Norma State University, where he taught ethics and philosophy. | ||
| And it well suited him to produce this masterwork on the McDaniel Report. | ||
| And he talked about various ways to put down new ideas. | ||
| And one is ridicule, ridicule, ridicule. | ||
| It is far and away the single most chillingly effective weapon in the war against discovery and innovation. | ||
| Ridicule has a unique power to make people of virtually any persuasion go completely unconscious in a twinkling. | ||
| It fails to sway only those few who are of sufficiently independent mind not to buy into the kind of emotional consensus that ridicule provides. | ||
| When you look at the shadows on the 1976 photos of the face, they're over a mile long. | ||
| There is no way in hell you could get a mile-long shadow from that rock ripple that they produced in this latest flight. | ||
| Rock ripple. | ||
| It's really disturbing. | ||
| And I have been through this with my earthquake predictions bit. | ||
| I predicted the strongest earthquake. | ||
| The first time we had a major quake in California in 28 years, I predicted it to the USGS the day before it happened. | ||
| It was on tape. | ||
| A year later, they told me they had lost that tape in the mail and the only one they had so lost in four years of operation. | ||
| And kind of like what happened on Mars. | ||
| I mean, here they've been getting these wonderful resolution, and then all of a sudden they get Sidonian. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| 18-minute gaps. | ||
| What happened to all the Roswell records from the 1947 to 1960? | ||
| Oh, we've tracked them. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely missing in action. | ||
| What happened to all of the war and rolling records? | ||
| Congressman Schiff, the man who subpoenaed all those records through the GAO investigation, now passed on. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Very, very fast form of unusual cancer. | ||
| Yeah, like Jack Ruby. | ||
| Yeah, that's most disturbing. | ||
| And I just hope there's a few more pioneers out there that have the guts to stay with what they know to be true. | ||
| Well, unfortunately, there are not too many people, Jim, who can stand the ridicule. | ||
| I can, I can, because I think in my case, I don't give a damn, I guess. | ||
| I'm just, you know, I like pursuing things that are interesting. | ||
| Yeah, they stimulate me. | ||
| And I'll tell you what. | ||
| Yesterday, Steve Benson down in Arizona did a cartoon of me. | ||
| You probably saw that. | ||
| It showed Benson's view. | ||
| It's called Syndicated All Over the Place. | ||
| And it shows a clown's face. | ||
| And it says the face on Mars. | ||
| And then on the clown's bow tie, it says our belt. | ||
| So, you know, anymore. | ||
| I was called a clown. | ||
| I was called a clown by Leader and Light at the U.S. Geological Survey. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You'll see on my website, I have a special called Send In the Clowns. | ||
| These experts haven't done so well, so about time to send in the clowns. | ||
| By the way, I do have a website. | ||
| I talked 100,000 finally today. | ||
| That's like 10 minutes of your web action. | ||
| But I'm very, very pleased to see that. | ||
| And we've also opened up a chat room and getting all kinds of interesting chats in the last just month. | ||
| Well, since my website at this moment is more or less crippled because everybody's rushing up there for the news stuff we've got, give out your website and go to it directly or go through our link if they correct my site. | ||
| It's World Wide Web Syzygy, which is the name of my newsletter and on my license plate. | ||
| You better spell that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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S-Y-Z-Y-G-Y. | |
| And it means lining up of the sun, moon, and earth, such as at a time of an eclipse or any newer full moon, but an eclipse is a perfect syzygy. | ||
| And once you get off that S-Y-Z-Y-G-Y, put my initials, j-o-b.com, and you'll go right to my website. | ||
| And it would take, about like yours, how small remnant of it is the shadow word, but it would take somebody about four hours to go through all the links and things that we have on there. | ||
| I'm able to publish a lot of things I couldn't publish with peer review. | ||
| I put them out there, and I had five papers in a row rejected after having 15 in a row inducted because I started writing about earthquake predictions. | ||
| Jim, we were discussing ridicule, and you are uniquely in a position now where you can say whatever in the hell you want without fear of retribution because you're retired, right? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Now, could you have said the things you're saying tonight had you still been part of USGS? | ||
| Oh, no way. | ||
| No way. | ||
| And certainly not with the same vehemence. | ||
| might have been a little more uh circumspect circumspect yes uh-huh because people that have a career ahead of them uh Well, a mistake like I discovered in 1979 that literally thousands of people died in the 1906 earthquake, and all of the textbooks were saying a few hundred. | ||
| And I talked to five eyewitness accounts. | ||
| One man was 102 years old. | ||
| This was back in the early 80s. | ||
| I got them all transcribed on oral interviews. | ||
| I wrote a brief summary of this, submitted it to the state of California, and it was just sent back to me very quickly saying they had the official numbers and this was just too hypothetical. | ||
| But I've been vindicated. | ||
| Just about three years ago with the latest list of U.S. earthquakes, it says that the San Francisco earthquake caused at least 3,000 deaths. | ||
| Well, I think it was more like 10,000, but it's far better than the 277 or the 315 or the 452 or the 498 you see in official publications. | ||
| Yeah, you bet. | ||
| So this does happen. | ||
| That was strictly governmental control so as not to frighten the public. | ||
| And this is the same kind of thing with the Mars situation. | ||
| We can handle it. | ||
| I'm tired of being spoon-fed, this kind of data. | ||
| What do you make of the way this photograph was released? | ||
| In other words, NASA decided to not say a word, just take the photograph with no comment whatsoever, and let scientists cross-country evaluate it. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Why did they do it that way? | ||
| Carefully orchestrated, recognizing that not even the greatest proponent of the face on Mars could see anything in these first release photographs. | ||
| They were totally ridiculous. | ||
| And then they decided to straighten out the angle so you get a more orthogonal view of it, a more direct view of the face. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then it became a little more recognizable, but still, as I look at it, it looks like a hole in the ground, not a hill. | ||
| Yeah, the problem with that is they did that at about 2 o'clock in the morning after all the major U.S. media had already printed the cat box picture. | ||
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| Yes. | ||
| That's the problem with that. | ||
| Now, they've got two more imaging opportunities coming. | ||
| And I think that may explain why we haven't seen huge arguments from McDaniel and Carlotta. | ||
| I think they're hoping to work with NASA and have them at least look at these other features, which are extremely interesting. | ||
| But they must be quietly, deeply suspicious. | ||
| I can't put words in their mouths, but that's what I imagine they would be. | ||
| I had a little talk a few moments ago during the break with Keith Rowland, trying to find out if our suffering website was going to live. | ||
| And he mentioned, you know, Art, Richard said there were about two-thirds of the grayscales missing, but by my count, and Keith does a lot of good computer work, it's more like four-fifths of the data missing. | ||
| Oh, that's pathetic. | ||
| We were betrayed, and that's what McDaniel will have to admit to, I think. | ||
| McDaniel used my quote on the back of his book. | ||
| It's short. | ||
| It said, I wrote, the so-called face on Mars is unlike any natural feature I have ever seen or heard about. | ||
| To ascribe this feature of such symmetry and uniqueness to wind erosion is to plead a special case for a geologic process with no supporting evidence. | ||
| And that's on the back cover of his book. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I stand by that, although these pictures don't add any support. | ||
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They are a travesty. | |
| Boy, you are using some strong words. | ||
| You must have been very upset about this. | ||
| Oh, I lost sleep. | ||
| And after the great Cody conference and hearing everything developing, and that we're finally going to have cooperation, and we see this trash come out from their camera, which is supposedly finely tuned. | ||
| And then we find out it was detuned. | ||
| It was degraded. | ||
| You know, we're told that our satellites can shoot down on our cities, and you can read not only the headlines of newspapers, but the subheads. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But then when you try to get these photographs, they degrade them, so you can't see it. | ||
| And so we get better photographs from the Russian satellites through Russia. | ||
| Let me tell you, it's absolutely true. | ||
| I, as you all know, because I put a strip up there as an example, I get photographs from the NOAA series of satellites, our satellites, and there's a whole series of Russian satellites up there as well. | ||
| And the detail available from the Russian satellites is far, far better than NOAA. | ||
| NOAA is good for weather, but the Russians allow whatever detail and resolution that can be shoved down to be shoved down. | ||
| And you can zoom in on cities with the Russian photographs. | ||
| Well, it just shows what to... | ||
| Not getting much truth from our government. | ||
| It's kind of like the GPS. | ||
| You know what GPS is. | ||
| You know that's intentionally degraded. | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| It's true, so that some little third world country can't use it as a missile guidance system, they said. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| We don't have a lot of honesty from government, whether it's earthquakes, photographs from Mars, satellite constellations that are supposed to help us navigate. | ||
| Casualty losses and things. | ||
| Now, terrible, terrible thing. | ||
| I hope that they tell us the truth about the tornadoes. | ||
| But in every country, when you have a natural disaster, they tend to downplay it, like that big quake about a month ago in Iran. | ||
| We heard, what, 500 people killed from a 6.9? | ||
| Yes, and there was one other thing I have to ask you about this. | ||
| I started getting faxes saying, oh, my God, there's been an 8.1 earthquake. | ||
| And I listened to the AP, I checked Reuters, I looked all over the place. | ||
| 8.1 is a significant event on Earth. | ||
| Very significant. | ||
| It's called a great earthquake, and we hadn't had one for over two years. | ||
| And people said, people were writing the email and saying, you're full of it. | ||
| There was no 8.1 earthquake. | ||
| You're out of your mind. | ||
| I checked the news. | ||
| It's not on. | ||
| Well, you may have forgotten that I'm the one that sent you the facts first because I had seen it on the email. | ||
| Well, you wanted confirmation. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And you said, gee, I usually call Jim for confirmation on earthquakes. | ||
| And he's writing to me. | ||
| And it worked because within 10 minutes, somebody sent me the official reading, and I've then faxed that to you. | ||
| So we did have on this Earth an 8.1 earthquake. | ||
| In fact, it was the most southerly great earthquake ever recorded close to Antarctica in the Bellini Islands. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Within a couple hundred miles of the South Magnetic Pole, which may have some significance. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| The most southerly quake ever recorded. | ||
| The southerly great earthquake. | ||
| Just about two years ago, in fact, I asked the USGS to send me a list of Antarctica quakes because I'd never heard of any. | ||
| They sent me a list of five. | ||
| The biggest was about the 5.2. | ||
| And so this one, 8.1, and we hadn't had one since the first day of my seismic window on February 16th, 1996. | ||
| What are the potential possibilities? | ||
| Now, the Antarctic, of course, is ice, mostly, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what are the potential repercussions of an earthquake in the Antarctic? | ||
| Exactly what I wondered. | ||
| The Ross Ice Shelf or one of the ice shelves might be disturbed. | ||
| It was some 250, I think, 50 miles away from the nearest settlement on Antarctica, a little station there. | ||
| They had tsunami alerts that went all the way to Hawaii. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And if a tsunami had developed, it certainly would have caused the floating ice to be disturbed quite a bit. | ||
| And there is always the possibility now of a large earthquake triggering another fault into action, even hundreds of miles away. | ||
| This is something, again, our experts totally denied for years and years and years. | ||
| Absolutely, just pure, all earthquakes are random events, and so one big earthquake doesn't trigger anything else 500 miles away. | ||
| I always said, we don't know. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And then after the Landersquake hit, suddenly, within two hours, the Landers was 7.5. | ||
| Within two hours, there was a 6.8 at Big Bear, about 50 miles away. | ||
| And then they began getting a series of quakes at Mammoth Lakes, Lassen, Shasta, Yellowstone. | ||
| I would think, Jim, that the scientific presumption would be that one earthquake could trigger another, not the other way around. | ||
| In other words, if you have pressures that are building between two moving plates and something is sitting on the edge of going and something else jolts it from far away, I mean, this is not rocket science. | ||
| It was not the accepted scientific notion. | ||
| Although back in, I heard Dr. Bruce Bolt give a talk at the University of California at Davis back in 1981, I believe. | ||
| And I mentioned to him that in 1906, on April 18th, when the 8.1 hit San Francisco about 5.13 in the morning, that afternoon, 500 miles to the south, on the San Andreas Fault, there was a 6.5 that did severe damage down in Brawley. | ||
| So in essence, it was an aftershock. | ||
| And I mentioned that to Dr. Bolt. | ||
| And, of course, because it was 4.30 in the afternoon, it ends up as the next day, Greenwich time, where most earthquakes are reported. | ||
| So the significance didn't come out to most people. | ||
| Gee, that was on the same day as the great earthquake in San Francisco. | ||
| So Dr. Bolt thought for a moment. | ||
| He says, well, yes, I have recognized that. | ||
| And it does open up the possibility of a superquake. | ||
| Like the whole thing could unzip. | ||
| The whole thing could unzip. | ||
| That doesn't sound good. | ||
| No, it's not very likely Because in the middle the fault is creeping and relieving most of the strain as it goes. | ||
| But there's no question in my mind, and I guess in his, that that strain was propagated along for 500 miles, that it popped up, you know, eight hours later, ten hours later. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Jim, hold on. | ||
| We're at the top of the hour. | ||
| When we come back, we'll kind of recap a little bit and move forward because I do want to talk about earthquakes. | ||
| Because I have this feeling. | ||
| Actually, I have more than that. | ||
| I have word from Jack Coles, and I've got a funny little feeling right back here. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| This is coast to coast, | ||
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| with Arkbell in the Kingdom of Nai, from east of the Rockies, style 1, 800-825-5033, 1-800-825-5033. | ||
| West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico. | ||
| 1-800-618-8255. | ||
| 1-800-618-8255. | ||
| Now again, here's Art Bell. | ||
| You may still have time, you might still get by. | ||
| Every time I think about it, I won't cry. | ||
| The bombs are dead, but the kids keep coming. | ||
| No way to read it, even time to be young. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| This is Timpson's Clouds. | ||
| I'm Mark Bell. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast A.M., and I've got so much in line for you coming up in the next few moments. | ||
| Something, I think, in the line of breaking news. | ||
| My guest is Jim Birkland, a geologist all his life. | ||
| I will give you a run by his credentials again in a few moments. | ||
| But we do have breaking news from Richard Hoagland. | ||
| Stand by for that. | ||
| I've got a couple of things I've got to cover. | ||
| One is Robert Ghostwolf, for those of you joining at this hour, came through and sent me the photographs he said he'd send. | ||
| And I have rescanned them, and they are on the website right now. | ||
| I did two. | ||
| One at a medium distance and one fairly close-up of something that I think in the U.S. Rockies, to me, unambiguously jumps right out as a Sphinx. | ||
| Now, these are fairly high-res photos, probably about 200K to download. | ||
| But boy, if you can get to a computer. | ||
| He called this the Archangel. | ||
| To me, this is the Sphinx. | ||
| It may be a matter of words and labeling. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I did rescan this one photograph, and you've got to see it. | ||
| It's on my website at www.artbell.com, as are the screams from hell. | ||
| If you want to record or download those, you can do that. | ||
| In a moment. | ||
| Now, Jim Birkland has used some very, very strong words to describe the images, image from Mars of the face. | ||
| And he thinks it is an intentional fraud. | ||
| I don't know what else, what other words to use, an intentional fraud. | ||
| And he is using those words. | ||
| This is an accredited geologist. | ||
| In a moment, Richard C. Hoagland with some rather shocking news for you. | ||
| Dr. Dark. | ||
| All right, I'm getting word now that Michael Malin, Dr. Malin, is saying that apparently that there was dust, that there was something obscuring the Sidonia region when he took the photograph, and that accounts for the horrid quality of the photograph that we all told you about. | ||
| We told you and told you and told you. | ||
| And of course, people didn't believe it, and they took the word of those who said a high-res image of a bunch of junk. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well, now Dr. Malin is talking about clouds and haze and stuff like that. | ||
| Well, here with kind of a special bulletin for you from the mountains of New Mexico is Richard C. Hoagland. | ||
| Richard? | ||
| Hello, Richard. | ||
| Oh, there you are. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| Is Jim with us? | ||
| I can arrange for that to occur. | ||
| Wave your magic wand. | ||
| And poof, here is Jim Birkland. | ||
| Jim? | ||
| Yes, I'm here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hi, Jim. | ||
| It's Nick Hoagland. | ||
| Greetings, Richard. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| Yes, since the wiles of Cody. | ||
| Well, he's been saying some rather supportive things for you this morning. | ||
| I have been listening, yes. | ||
| While I've been trying to get up to our website some new data that Keith is about to post momentarily. | ||
| I talked to him a moment ago, and he's about to get it up there. | ||
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| We have been working, Jim, for the last 24 hours on basically a smoking gun. | ||
| This data has been cooked. | ||
| It is a fake. | ||
| It has been altered. | ||
| It has been tampered with. | ||
| It is not raw data, and we can prove it. | ||
| And the proof is so simple and so elegant. | ||
| And before I limit out, I want to give a special credit to a gentleman named Frederick Hadeck, who took my recommendation the other night on your show art when I said that this raw image had a series of streaks down the length of it. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| that were like fingerprints. | ||
| We've all seen them, and if you haven't on my website, we've got that raw image. | ||
| You can see them. | ||
| They're streaks. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, what he did was follow my recommendation, and he went back in Malin's own files on his website, which is also linked in the healing frequency section of Enterprise. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he found an image on orbit 30, 8003.jpg, which had the same streaks. | ||
| And he then spent, he must have spent like a day matching meticulously the geometry of the scan of this earlier picture with the geometry of the scan of the Sidonia shot. | ||
| And he made an astonishing discovery, and I want to give Fred full credit. | ||
| What he discovered is that if you go to Malin's own site where he lists the specs of his camera, he says very clearly, and it's on our post now, which Keith will have up there momentarily, that the full CCD resolution of the array is supposed to be 2,048 pixels. | ||
| That is, think of it as kind of like a comb. | ||
| And the motion of the spacecraft at right angles to the width of the comb, the little detector elements in the CCD, produces the picture as the CCD is continually being interrogated about the light values it is recording. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yes, okay. | ||
| And so you get a long, narrow strip of a picture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, the streaks correspond to missing teeth in the comb because the little array elements are not equally sensitive. | ||
| I see. | ||
| These are like a cottage industry, and each of these things is unique. | ||
| So no two CCD cameras with a line scan mode in the world will give you the same pattern of streaks. | ||
| The streaks are like fingerprints. | ||
| You can literally tell the camera anywhere on Earth if you get a picture from it because it will only have that pattern of streaks. | ||
| So just like fingerprints. | ||
| Okay, Richard, I'm with you so far. | ||
| Absolutely unique. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Where are you going? | ||
| So what Fred did is he matched the fingerprint of the Sidonia strip that we've got, the raw image given to us Monday morning, with the full scan image from one of Malin's previous orbits, and discovered a really shocking piece of news which is totally verifiable, totally reproducible, and is a smoking gun of tampering. | ||
| Because it turns out that somehow between the spacecraft and Earth, the full scan 2048 array image got reduced to 1024. | ||
| That is impossible. | ||
| In other words, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Dr. Malin made a copy. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He threw half the resolution away, and in the copying, he put a filter in to reduce the grayscale. | ||
| By the way, it's 42 DN. | ||
| I actually went back and remeasured. | ||
| 42. | ||
| It starts at 50, ends at 92. | ||
| I think Keith Rowland would back that up. | ||
| Absolutely, absolutely. | ||
| So what you have here is lousy grayscale information, so you can't see anything. | ||
| You have lousy resolution compared to what the camera can give us, so you can't detect anything. | ||
| And it's not a raw image. | ||
| Every press release JPL has put out around the world claiming this is a raw image is an absolute fabrication because you can't get a 1024 raw image out of a 2048 raw scan orbiting Mars. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Proto set effects. | ||
| My God, Richard, this is a smoking gun. | ||
| You're saying, now let me be very clear about this. | ||
| Let's go over it again. | ||
| You're saying that camera delivers 2048 normally pixels. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| On Nalen's own website, on the camera specs, I have a color photograph. | ||
| I have his own specs listed. | ||
| I have the detector array circled in a red box. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's got two modes. | ||
| It's got a wide-angle scan, which has another set of detectors, and the narrow-angle scan. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| And the number of detector elements in the narrow angle array is 2,048. | ||
| So if you're taking a strip of pictures, obviously you're going to use the entire array. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We can verify this with other photographs they have taken, Correct. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What Fred discovered was that he basically simply recopied his original scan and reduced it by half scale. | ||
| They lied to us. | ||
| They lied. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| An outright lie. | ||
| Now, what's really shocking is I have been talking with national media for the last couple of days about this. | ||
| And tonight, I won't tell you who, but I got a report from one of my sources at one of the major networks talking to one of the key network correspondents. | ||
| I know who you're talking about. | ||
| And the correspondent basically said, I don't care. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Direct quote. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Now, we can care who Bill is sleeping with, but when it comes to verifying the potential revolution in civilization, the discovery and confirmation of alien or other ruins on another planet with a mission which we as taxpayers are paying for, this corresponds that there is evidence that a major scientist involved in the mission is faking and altering data. | ||
| Or at the very least, lying. | ||
| In other words, it was not. | ||
| What you're suggesting is it was not the raw data. | ||
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| They did not give us raw data. | ||
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| And that is tampering with the data. | ||
| Because you understand that if you throw half the resolution away, instead of being 4-meter resolution, it would be 8-meter under ideal conditions. | ||
| And then, of course, the grayscale. | ||
| The grayscale thing reduces it. | ||
| So basically, we're dealing with an image which is maybe comparable to the Viking data from Mars 20 years ago. | ||
| Okay, and how do you prove this with the data going on your website? | ||
| If you look at the graph I prepared, I have a series of scans which Fred prepared of one of many, many images, high-res images that Malin has on his website. | ||
| The one we chose was 8003.jpg from orbit 80 about a month and a half ago. | ||
| Same spacecraft. | ||
| Yep, when it was passing over Valles Marineris. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We then matched the little streaks, which are like the fingerprints. | ||
| This is basically a Colombo story, all right? | ||
| You're playing Colombo art. | ||
| You look through the microscope. | ||
| You see the two bullets, the bullet that killed the victim and the bullet from the gun. | ||
| And you're matching the grooves. | ||
| Kind of like ballistics. | ||
| It's a ballistic match. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's the same pattern technique. | ||
| And we've got them nailed cold because the pattern only matches when you reduce the Sidoni image to half the size of the full scan. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Art? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On that first fax I sent you on the first day, I called this technological fraud. | ||
| And I stand by it, too. | ||
| Yeah, I think the term that Clarence Thomas used was the high-tech lynching. | ||
| Basically, we have all been lynched. | ||
| We are being had. | ||
| And it's time the American people put a stop to it because it's obvious that certain people in the media do not care. | ||
| And I must say that I was quite shocked to hear that tonight. | ||
| Let me make a recommendation. | ||
| Well, at first, both of you, you will recall, NASA was saying these were very high resolution scans. | ||
| And I have word tonight that Dr. Malin is saying publicly, starting to talk about haze and cloudiness. | ||
| All right, let me stop you there. | ||
| On his website, Malan insists that the Sidonia region was clear. | ||
| He has put it in writing. | ||
| He said we were very lucky it was very clear. | ||
| So the man is contradicting himself in many different directions. | ||
| You know, Richard, I'm in what I believe. | ||
| And, you know, when it comes to this level of conspiracy. | ||
| But you see, it doesn't take a level. | ||
| But you've teetered me back again. | ||
| All it takes is apathy on the part of most people. | ||
| Jim eloquently, you know, labeled the giggle factor. | ||
| My problem today, when I was discussing with people at Time and Newsweek and the Washington Post and National Public Radio and many others, is I can't seem to get over the idea, come on, you don't take this seriously. | ||
| It's like we're holding ourselves to two different standards. | ||
| We hold the President of the United States for possibly having an affair to one level, and we hold NASA who's spending $150 million of our money and who could make a discovery that would change the course of all future history to come to a totally different standard. | ||
| In fact, we're not holding it to any standard. | ||
| Well, I think what you have said tonight, Richard, demands an explanation from Dr. Malin and or perhaps look carefully at what you've got on the website. | ||
| This is a very, very serious allegation. | ||
| And go ahead with Here is proof. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead with your investigation. | ||
| You're going to do a legal investigation. | ||
| Well, I have some news on that front. | ||
| I had facts this morning from a representative of another grand jury in another county who has offered now to help me put this investigation together in this county. | ||
| And this is a responsible public official. | ||
| He is sewage and waste control and all that. | ||
| And he's been fighting a fight on another issue. | ||
| But he listens to you every night, and he was so supportive in terms of helping us get this off the ground. | ||
| He said I could probably get enough signatures to get this before a judge in a day or next seed with the legal venue of holding these people accountable for spending our money and lying to us. | ||
| Well, you may not. | ||
| I mean, if what you have told us holds up, Richard, and it sounds like it's going to, then you may not have to go through the legal hoops, which would be very difficult and take a long time because of the public outrage. | ||
| Now, let me ask you this, Richard. | ||
| Can the average person, the non-geologist, non-scientist, non-rocket scientist, can they go up there and see what you're saying easily, reasonably easily? | ||
| Well, since I've been talking to a lot of media people who are not known as rocket scientists, I think they can. | ||
| But I mean by what's on the website. | ||
| What you will look at is a graph which basically lays out the picture. | ||
| It shows the little green lines where the streaks are on the full scan image, how they've been reduced in scale. | ||
| Obviously, they didn't throw it away. | ||
| My strong suspicion is the first night that we had the conversation, Monday night, that it was too good to come from that raw, stupid image. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I strongly suspect that that came from a better version of the raw data with more grayscale information closer to what we would have expected. | ||
| And that there may in fact be a revolution going on within NASA. | ||
| There appear to be two camps. | ||
| One camp trying to suppress and the other camp trying to leak and the way that you keep putting it out there. | ||
| But Richard, even though what you have done here is a grand discovery, wouldn't Malin know that when the photographic expert is in pixel resolution? | ||
| Well, given the fact that one correspondent basically said today, I don't care, and given the fact that this technical priesthood thinks that they own the universe because no one else can understand them, I think the arrogance of power may have given us a slight edge here in that somebody simply goes and looks. | ||
| This is the equivalent of a smoking gun. | ||
| Jim, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this sound pretty conclusive to you? | ||
| It sure does. | ||
| And more power to you. | ||
| I'd really like to see us get to the bottom of this. | ||
| Well, before I get out of your radio show so you can complete your interview, let me leave you with a couple of phone numbers. | ||
| Very quickly. | ||
| People need to fax Dan Golden. | ||
| The buck stops at the administrator's desk, and if this administrator is presiding over a sinking ship with the Titanic, fax him 358-2810. | ||
| 202-358-2810. | ||
| And don't forget to send copies to Coppel and Holloman, because unless there are witnesses, the faxes may disappear like the missing scandalized. | ||
| I had 1,000 letters in my support after the county tried to fire me for predicting the World Series quake. | ||
| I went to see where they were, and they showed me three. | ||
| The others have gone into the round file. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen, that's it. | ||
| It's the bottom of the hour. | ||
| Richard, I had to get that stuff on the air. | ||
| Thank you for coming on the air. | ||
| We'll have you on the air next week, of course. | ||
| And we have five days till the next photography pass over Sidonia, hopefully over the city with the shutter open this time. | ||
| Take care, my friend. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
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| From the Kingdom of Nye, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell. | ||
| First-time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222. | ||
| 702-727-1222. | ||
| Now, here again, the Gizzarts. | ||
| Once again, I'm back. | ||
| Now, Richard Hoagland has made a very, very serious allegation. | ||
| He's saying the Mars photos were hoaxed, tampered with. | ||
| They are a lie. | ||
| Now, the information is in Keith Rowland's hands right now. | ||
| He's my webmaster. | ||
| He's also the webmaster for Richard C. Hoagland. | ||
| However, my website is so jammed right now that even Keith can't get in to post them. | ||
| So all I can say is bear with it. | ||
| Everybody just sort of relax for a little while. | ||
| Stop hitting the site. | ||
| Let Keith get in and let's get this stuff posted. | ||
| I want to see it too. | ||
| So I know everybody's going up after the picture of the Sphinx and the audio from the sounds from hell and all the rest of it. | ||
| Please give it a break for a few minutes so Keith can get in. | ||
| It's so busy. | ||
| My own webmaster can't get to our own website. | ||
| So please, everybody, just sort of lighten up for a few minutes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We'll get this information up there and then you can flood it again. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Remarkable news from Richard Hoagland. | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| A direct charge with proof to be posted the minute we can get it up there, Richard says, of a fraud committed on the American people. | ||
| A fraud. | ||
| An outright fraud. | ||
| And so this is the first time we've certainly heard anything like that with proof to be offered. | ||
| Now, let us go back to Jim Birkland. | ||
| Jim Birkland all his life, a geologist, worked for USGS. | ||
| Well, as a matter of fact, let me go through it because I know some of you have joined since the top of the hour. | ||
| He is a fellow in the Geological Society of America, a member of eight other professional organizations. | ||
| Ten years of college in university geological education, 35 years in practical application. | ||
| He has had broad experience in field geology and aerial photograph interpretation. | ||
| He worked 10 years for the Department of the Interior and about equally divided between the U.S. Geological Survey and the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. | ||
| He is a registered geologist by the state of California, certified as an engineering geologist, number 58. | ||
| A major part of his career has been more than 20 years as the first county geologist for the most populous county in Northern California, Santa Clara County. | ||
| In addition, has taught geology at the university level on both coasts, including engineering geology, geomorphology, oceanography, and general geology for science teachers. | ||
| He's published more than 50 scientific papers in geology and has had a lifelong advocation of astronomy. | ||
| Once again, here is Jim Birkeland. | ||
| Jim. | ||
| And third art. | ||
| This tonight has the same sort of stimulating intellectual stimulation that discovering new minerals, new fossils, or new geologic formations has had in the past for me. | ||
| This is going to be tough to go to sleep after this tonight. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Believe me, I understand, Jim. | ||
| Now, some people joined at midnight in the Los Angeles area. | ||
| Even before Richard Hoagland came on tonight, we had a full hour in which you virtually suggested the exact same thing with very strong words regarding the imaging from the face on Mars of the face on Mars. | ||
| That I don't know if you said fraud. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Technological fraud. | ||
| Technical travesty. | ||
| And you stand by all those. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| This is preposterous. | ||
| And now they have them try to say, well, it was a little bit misty. | ||
| Yeah, misty. | ||
| Misty. | ||
| I'm really surprised at that because, as Richard pointed out, they did say it was clear at the time of the photograph. | ||
| And now they're talking about mist. | ||
| Play Misty for me. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
| You know, times I've been on your show before have been important for earthquakes. | ||
| And it was generating a separate earthquake here, maybe a quake on Mars. | ||
| But we started out on Good Friday. | ||
| And that is exactly 34 years after the Good Friday earthquake in Alaska, the 8.5. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The world has not seen a quake that strong ever since. | ||
| And it came on the day of the full moon. | ||
| Now we're on the day of the full moon of Passover, the 11th of April, and it's the opening of a secondary seismic window, which I don't stick my neck out on. | ||
| I wait for the primary window, which will be with the new moon on the 25th of this month. | ||
| April has always been one of the top three months for earthquakes on the West Coast. | ||
| The two biggest ones, in Seattle, the 6.5 in 1965 and the 7.1 in 1949, were both in the month of April, as well, of course, the April 18th, big one in San Francisco. | ||
| Well, I've just got an inside feeling there's about to be an earthquake. | ||
| I've been saying so. | ||
| Now, I did get a fax from Jack Coles. | ||
| Who is Jack Coles? | ||
| He's a radio technician that used to work with the good guys in San Jose. | ||
| And I saw his ad in the paper, oh, about 1985 or so, that he was offering his services as an earthquake predictor. | ||
| And I thought, well, I'll check this guy out. | ||
| And so I called his number, and he answered, he said, oh, Mr. Birkland, I've been following you for years. | ||
| And he said, funny, you should have called. | ||
| Just as the phone rang, I got a confirmation of a quake of about four magnitude that hit here around 9.30 tomorrow morning. | ||
| And I thought, give me a break. | ||
| I mean, no one is that precise. | ||
| Well, about 9.45 the next day, a 4.2 hit 50 miles from San Jose. | ||
| Well, okay, so that's Jack Cole. | ||
| Jack Cole sent me a vax. | ||
| At the top, it says, early warning earthquake detection. | ||
| Quake watch, east by southeast of Pacific Ring of Fire. | ||
| No less than 11 sets of main signals, low-frequency radio spikes caused by crushing rock, quartz crystal, occurred on March 31st, 1998. | ||
| Now, based on this, he's saying the forecast is at 76%, in his opinion. | ||
| That's the highest I've ever heard him go. | ||
| Yeah, for at least a 6.5 magnitude if the quakes are shallow and a 7.9 to 8 range if the quakes are deep in the Earth's crust. | ||
| The dates include April 8th to April 15th, plus or minus 24 hours. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you also noticed, you announced tonight about the mysterious goings-on in China, which may correlate with what Jack is seeing. | ||
| The disruption of a main Chinese communications satellite by a geomagnetic something. | ||
| Detector? | ||
| I don't know what? | ||
| Magnetometer. | ||
| Oh, a storm. | ||
| A geomagnetic storm, you would call it. | ||
| Well, that does happen. | ||
| Well, it does, but usually it affects more than one satellite. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Well, it may be right over. | ||
| Is it a constant position? | ||
| What do you call it? | ||
| The stationary satellite? | ||
| This apparently isn't. | ||
| Yeah, it's geostationary. | ||
| That may be the difference. | ||
| I've had a deputy sheriff tell me that from about 50 miles away from Koalinga in 1983 when they had the 6.7 Koalinga quake, that morning he couldn't get back to base with his radio transmitter in his car. | ||
| And I've had this from a number of other people. | ||
| You do get unusual radio interference prior to quakes, and that's one of the things that Jack Coles looks at. | ||
| Electromagnetic activity. | ||
| Now, I know one of the things that you look at, you watch very carefully newspapers for missing animals, animals that have, for some unknown reason, run away. | ||
| And there was such a preposterous idea when it was first proposed to me by a physicist, Antonio Naferati, that I almost hung up on him. | ||
| Then I realized he was serious, and especially when my own cat had disappeared before the strongest quake between 1911 and 1979. | ||
| And the cat was away a month later, and hadn't come home a month later when Antonio called me. | ||
| The cat returned after an absence of six months, just four days before the next five-magnitude quake in the Bay Area, which was at Livermore. | ||
| He had been taken care of very well at some other place in San Jose and had fled that place just before the next five magnitude quake. | ||
| So that made a believer out of me. | ||
| And it just shows time after time. | ||
| And right now, there's been a doubling of missing animals in the L.A. Times. | ||
| Yesterday there were 19 total dogs and cats. | ||
| And today, or that is yesterday now, 30, 41. | ||
| Doubled. | ||
| From 19 to 41 total missing animals. | ||
| Something happened to frighten a lot of animals a few days ago. | ||
| That's in L.A.? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think, Jim, the animals are? | ||
| Electromagnetic anomalies. | ||
| We know that homing pigeons can't find their way home before earthquakes. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| We know that whales and dolphins will often beach themselves or deep-sea fish come into shallow water. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| The last time Humphrey came into the bay and got stuck at Candlestick Cove in the mud, they spent two days getting him off. | ||
| And as he waved goodbye under the Golden Gate Bridge to San Francisco, they got a beautiful picture of him and showed in the paper the following day. | ||
| And right alongside of it was 5.8 Quake, Shakespeare Bay Area. | ||
| So apparently it confused. | ||
| It uses their navigational tools, which is mainly relying upon the natural mineral magnetite. | ||
| It's the black sand that you find when you're panning for gold. | ||
| It's a constituent mineral of most rocks. | ||
| Well, we have in our brains magnetite, don't we? | ||
| That came out in 1984, complete shock to most people. | ||
| And it's over our pineal gland in the middle of the forehead where the mystical third eye is supposed to be. | ||
| So it appears we do have a sixth sense of direction, and most of us have, however, forgotten how to use it. | ||
| But I've had 11 people now call me that get really bad headaches just before local quakes. | ||
| And the headaches usually disappear just moments before the quake itself, so they have an advance warning. | ||
| And they often wouldn't even talk about it with their spouse. | ||
| You know, it's too weird. | ||
| And then finally, when they heard that I was doing this kind of thing and that I was willing to take the brick bats, they called me and shared the information with me. | ||
| Well, I have pretty good intuition. | ||
| And my intuition, and maybe that's the magnetite, who knows, my Intuition keeps saying quake, earthquake, coming, earthquake, coming. | ||
| The one thing that was so quiet in California in March, often you get a quiet before the storm. | ||
| And again, we've had El Niño time after time. | ||
| Our El Niño years had been big quake years. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I thought I came up with that on my own. | ||
| It turns out that four scientists at the USC published on this back about 1978. | ||
| And they showed, here's their statement. | ||
| Every single six-magnitude quake in Southern California since 1900 to about 1978 had occurred following one or more years of drought, followed by an excessively wet year. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's Larry from Cambridge, Massachusetts, WRKO country says, Arnhart, if you think of it, please ask Jim whether the weight of all the water which has rained down on California with El Niño could or might have affected the various geologic faults. | ||
| One square mile of water, a foot deep, weighs in at nearly a million tons. | ||
| The combined weight of the recent rains must be tens of millions of tons of weight added. | ||
| See, that was my calculation. | ||
| I did that about 15 years ago. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And hadn't heard anybody else come up with it, but I put it on my website. | ||
| And I've talked about a section on El Nino and past earthquakes. | ||
| I feel full strongly that by end of this summer, we're going to have at least one six-plus magnitude quake in California. | ||
| Based on all of these factors, this is a year in which we're having four cases of Pirigian spring tides, where the closest approach of the month of the moon is on the same day as the new or full moon. | ||
| In this case, it's the new moon, and that's coming up on the 26th. | ||
| Got an article here from the Washington Post. | ||
| You know what the headline is? | ||
| It says, fault runs through downtown L.A. No surprise. | ||
| We already knew about it. | ||
| It says an earthquake fault that runs under Dodgers Stadium, Central. | ||
| It is in Park Fault. | ||
| We've known about it for years. | ||
| We didn't know how active it was until after the Whoody earquake in 1987 on October 1st. | ||
| And I had just dropped my daughter off at UCLA and said, hey, we're due for a big quake. | ||
| And she said, oh, great, Dad. | ||
| You know I like quakes. | ||
| And I said, this may be bigger than what you want. | ||
| Yeah, the Washington Post, Jim, says the fault could generate an earthquake of magnitude 6.5 to 6.8. | ||
| This is from the Washington Post now. | ||
| If that were to occur in Los Angeles, what would it do? | ||
| Well, it would certainly be worse than the World Series earthquake, which was some 60 miles away from San Francisco. | ||
| And in fact, the Vision Park Fault intersects with the Newport-Inglewood fault, which gave us the Long Beach quake in 1933 on the day of the eclipse of the moon. | ||
| That was March 10th. | ||
| And it was discussed in that wild movie about the volcano erupting in Los Angeles. | ||
| They described the Elysian Park Fault and the Newport-Inglewood Fault. | ||
| But the idea of a volcano erupting is totally out of the picture. | ||
| No worry about that. | ||
| But a big earthquake is something else. | ||
| On many days in L.A., it wouldn't be noticed. | ||
| Well, I think it didn't do anyone any service how the press jumped on an article at a local convention by a couple of scientists from the USGS that, well, they'd recalculated and there was no shortage of earthquakes, earthquake gap in Southern California, that a deficit that compared to last century, this century had a big deficit in quakes. | ||
| Now they've re-evaluated and said there is no deficit, and the next big one may be decades away. | ||
| That isn't doing anyone any service. | ||
| This goes back to the earlier topic of the face on Mars, but I've got to read this. | ||
| It comes from an engineer regarding deep space probe transmission errors. | ||
| Art, the argument that the poor picture quality of the Mars Global Surveyor pictures is due to transmission noise is just plain wrong. | ||
| NASA space probes, including the Mars Global Surveyor, incorporate the use of forward error correction in data transmission. | ||
| The fact that the Mars Global Surveyor is a great distance away from Earth only affects the speed of the data transmission. | ||
| Further away the probe is, the slower you have to transmit the data. | ||
| You eventually, though, will get the data. | ||
| But its error rate will be very low after correction. | ||
| And I believe this man to be right on, and that's why I put the strip up there so people might know what horrid little trash we got claiming to be original stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's so right. | ||
| If we just look at those previous photographs they've already shown on this mission, they're spectacular. | ||
| See, little sand dunes. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| So anyway, everybody, of course, is loath to... | ||
| And I have no way of knowing what my discrete healing of an earthquake might or might not mean, where it might occur, how big it might be, or even if it's going to happen. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But you would generally agree that before the summer ends, and possibly even soon, there is going to be an earthquake somewhere. | ||
| In California. | ||
| Just somewhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was asked to give a talk at the annual meeting of the Foundation for the Study of Cycles at the time I was just back from suspension from my county geology work for predicting the world's earthquake and naming it in the paper three days before it happened. | ||
| Well, at that meeting at Irvine, I had just picked up the L.A. Times, and at the end of my talk, I said I wanted to save time for questions and to show them my concern about a five-plus to hit the L.A. area within three days. | ||
| And I unfolded this long list of lost animals, which was suddenly at 58, one of the highest totals I've ever seen, and has arisen from around 20 in just two days' time. | ||
| One of the fellows in the rear of the audience got up, left the room. | ||
| I never saw him again. | ||
| But 10 days later, I got a letter from New York saying, congratulations on another hit. | ||
| I didn't want to share in it. | ||
| I checked out of the hotel and took the first flight back to New York. | ||
| He was talking about the 5.5 that hit Upland three days after I made the statement. | ||
| And that was on videotape. | ||
| And a very strange thing happened on that videotape that I made, that they made of me. | ||
| There were two days of talks, and all of the talks came out very, very clear. | ||
| But midway through my talk, there suddenly became an aberration, an electronic glitch that the Panasonic people could not correct. | ||
| And we still don't know why that interference wave occurred while I was predicting the quake. | ||
| I have experienced similarities. | ||
| I saw your frontal lobe emanations. | ||
| Jim, you predicted the World Series earthquake. | ||
| Not only did you predict it, but you predicted it in the newspaper. | ||
| What exactly did you write in the paper? | ||
| What did you say? | ||
| I told, after I saw, instead of four or five missing cats, I saw 27 ads in local Mercury News. | ||
| A whole new plateau. | ||
| And instead of the 20 missing dogs I've been seeing normally, there were 58, similar to what happened in Los Angeles. | ||
| So with that combination and the fact we were having the highest tidal force in three years, I couldn't contain myself and I called a newspaper reporter and said, I really am 85% confident we're going to have a World Series earthquake. | ||
| And this was when you were a working geologist. | ||
| Yes, county geologist. | ||
| And the Gilroy Dispatch had been quite interested in my predictions and carried my hits and my misses and were very objective about it. | ||
| So they printed this story? | ||
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| But I told them I didn't want to frighten anybody. | ||
| I expected there would be a 6.5 to 7. | ||
| But we hadn't had such a quake since 1906 in the Bay Area. | ||
| But I said, just top it off at a 6. | ||
| If people get ready for a 6, they'll be ready for a 7-2. | ||
| And interestingly, an engineer with Lockheed saw my prediction. | ||
| And he went to his bosses and said, you know, we have this solar panel array ready to launch into space, and it's all out on the workbenches. | ||
| Shouldn't we kind of button down the hatches? | ||
| And he did. | ||
| He did. | ||
| But his bosses said, don't worry about it. | ||
| We checked with USGS and they said, Birkland doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| Birkland, hold on. | ||
| We'll be back to you after the break and we'll finish this story. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM. | ||
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This is Coast to Coast AM. | |
| Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the Wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295. | ||
| That's Area Code 702-727-1295. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
| My guest is geologist Michael Kristoff. | ||
| The following is apparently from the Malin Space Science System site. | ||
| Malin says Mars face photo bad because of clouds and haze. | ||
| Listen to this now. | ||
| We now have an explanation from almost black. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| You remember I told you again and again on the air that it shouldn't have been that way? | ||
| And people wrote to me and said that I was a wide-angled shot shows significant cloud cover. | ||
| This explains why nothing was visible in the raw image. | ||
| And even the enhanced image shows very poor detail. | ||
| Furthermore, cloud cover might mean that some of the whitish areas of the face might be clouds and not actual surface features. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| How about that, folks? | ||
| How about that, folks? | ||
| One other piece of news. | ||
| Richard Hoagland with a very serious allegation and proof. | ||
| It's now up on his website. | ||
| That's the Enterprise Mission website.com. | ||
| I think that's, I hope that's right. | ||
| It's also available through my site at www.artbell.com get in proof up. | ||
| It's up there now. | ||
| So we've got a whole array of things on the website, probably too many at one time, and that's why it keeps getting shut down, for you to see the enhanced, re-imaged, re-scanned ghost wolf photographs, which are astounding. | ||
| The sounds from hell. | ||
| And now very, very importantly, of course, the link to Richard Hoagland's site and the proof, I said proof, of what Richard alleges is a fraud perpetrated on the American people. | ||
| Now we begin to get messages from Dr. Malin indicating that clouds and haze account for the black strip. | ||
| I complained mightily and strongly and repeatedly about that black strip. | ||
| And we should not have been luck that there would not have been data loss, that there was error correction. | ||
| Indeed, we should have seen a strip much like the one that I put up there. | ||
| So I was right about that, obviously. | ||
| And now we're beginning to hear about the worth of the photograph itself. | ||
| Oh, my, my, my, how things change. | ||
| Back to Jim Birkeland and his reaction to all this in a moment. | ||
| 4627. | ||
| Back now to Jim Birkland. | ||
| Jim, what do you think about that? | ||
| I think it's great. | ||
| There are a lot of things happening. | ||
| My reputation is shaking. | ||
| It took us a week to get my website. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And we're in a bottleneck. | ||
| We can barely handle all the traffic coming at us right now. | ||
| You might be interested. | ||
| There's a fellow who has a television show on Earth changes called Mitch Batros. | ||
| I don't know if you've heard of him. | ||
| But I've been on his show a few times in the last few months. | ||
| And he asked me about my Opinion early on, and I wrote him: My great sense of anticipation was diminished by this version of the NASA flyby photo. | ||
| I'm sure it was deliberately timed to be under a high sun so that the features had no shattered the second edition of Martian Enigmas by Carlotto. | ||
| I should point out his pages, 111 kathiographs, under different lighting conditions. | ||
| The first two rows of photos on each page show a rather nondescript physiognomy, but none are quite as bad as the latest NASA version. | ||
| It would be interesting to hear what comes up on Art Bell tonight. | ||
| I'm sure that Richard Hoagland is fuming. | ||
| Let us hope for lower sung angles with the next two flybys. | ||
| Also hope for shots of some of the other multi-sm pyramids, the city, and so forth. | ||
| Well, a lot of the analysts have been strangely really silent. | ||
| And they've made some very tentative statements like let's wait and see and so forth and so on. | ||
| And tonight, it's breaking wide open. | ||
| I mean, it's really breaking wide open. | ||
| I wonder if this seemingly incontrovertible evidence comes back or whether they will just do as they have so many times and ignore new evidence, strong evidence. | ||
| Some of us are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore. | ||
| Yeah, I was, the first night when that black strip came out, everybody else got three. | ||
| I couldn't sleep the next day. | ||
| I mean, it ruined my sleep. | ||
| And so I just came back the following day determined not to do that again for my own health. | ||
| And now I feel it again. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Well, I'm sure there are lots of minds clicking, and lots of backing and filling will be going on with midnight meetings. | ||
| I'm sure that is so. | ||
| Let us take a few calls, Jim. | ||
| On the air, Birkland. | ||
| Hello there. | ||
| Oh, I did not push the right button. | ||
| I am sorry. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland and Art Bell. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
| This is Jason in Anchorage Less. | ||
| Anchorage, Anchorage, all right. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| We're okay. | ||
| You've got a little static on your line. | ||
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Yes, I'm calling from the cell phone. | |
| Okay, that's better. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| You were speaking about earthquakes a moment ago. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Since I live in Anchorage, I'm wondering if that was one of the places that was. | |
| Corish is in Alaska, and that's on the ring of fire, right? | ||
| Yes, it certainly is. | ||
| Most of the Alaskan quakes fit my theory. | ||
| There are some places around the globe that do not, that have their own timing or just are random. | ||
| And so by looking at the great Alaskan quake being on the day of the full moon at the time of the lowest tides in the day, most interesting. | ||
| And I did get a letter from a lady that was in Seward at the time. | ||
| She said, Jim, I think you're onto something. | ||
| You know, there were no seagulls at the waterfront on the afternoon of the quake. | ||
| And there were rats and mice running around in the broad daylight in the streets. | ||
| That she'd never seen before. | ||
| And that's kind of a lot of that's reported in the book, When the Snakes Awake, by Helmut Tribuch. | ||
| It's a difficult book to get hold of now, but check the library and you will see a hundred. | ||
| You predicted the World Series quake. | ||
| They actually printed it in the newspaper. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I think they got so angry at you. | ||
| In fact, the earthquake happened exactly as you predicted. | ||
| And then they got so angry they suspended you or something, didn't they? | ||
| I was, yes. | ||
| I was out of work for two and a half months. | ||
| It cost me thousands of dollars. | ||
| I went to an attorney and nobody on Tingency. | ||
| So I couldn't believe this situation. | ||
| Here I'm doing what I thought I was being paid to do, to make predictions of landslides and flooding and round subsidence. | ||
| We didn't have any volcanoes or glaciers to worry about. | ||
| So I was doing what I could with what I had. | ||
| And I've been predicting quakes since 1974. | ||
| The very first one I made in January 8th of 1974 happened two days later. | ||
| And I predicted what's called the Thanksgiving Day quake in 1974, the first five-magnitude quake in the Bay Area in about five years. | ||
| I predicted it at a meeting of the USGS the night before it happened. | ||
| And the next day, I took my daughter to Thanksgiving Day. | ||
| What happened while we were in the movies? | ||
| And we didn't recognize the jolt because we thought it was part of the special effect, the first run of the movie earthquake. | ||
| Oh, my. | ||
| Talking about USGS when you were suspended. | ||
| Well, see, I wasn't working with the USGS, and I was working as the county geologist, as I had been for 14 years, 15 years at that time. | ||
| Right, but there must have been... | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Well, one of their leading lights sent a letter, a fax to the state of California, the state geologist. | ||
| And I didn't see that fax. | ||
| I did see the fax that was sent from the state geologist's office to our county Office of Emergency Services. | ||
| And it said, in essence, they had heard the warning. | ||
| And I claimed I had predicted the World Series quake. | ||
| And now I was calling for an eight-magnitude quake to follow in Loki. | ||
| I said there would be an eight-foot tide instead of the normal four or four and a half foot at the Golden Gate. | ||
| Maybe they chose to. | ||
| Well, welcome to the club. | ||
| Everything I say, I have learned long ago, with millions of people listening, inevitably misconstrued by a healthy percentage of them. | ||
| I'm used to that. | ||
| This was deliberately done by scientists, my colleagues, and they wanted to get me out of the way. | ||
| And the best way was to have me fired, and it came very close to that. | ||
| And when they found they couldn't find any smoking gun of the common hand for these two and a half months, and finally they came up with charges that just when the county needed me most, I wasn't available. | ||
| Well, they're the ones that sent me home. | ||
| And also, I had a messy desk. | ||
| Yes, I had a messy desk. | ||
| A messy desk. | ||
| And I was behind in my work. | ||
| Well, I'd taken, and I came back after a month. | ||
| Naturally, I was a little behind in my work. | ||
| But by October 17th, when the quake hit, I was three days behind. | ||
| I was catching up rapidly. | ||
| So the hearings went on for about a year and a half. | ||
| And a total waste of time when I should have been doing significant things. | ||
| And then I was told by my boss, I don't want the word earthquake to even be mentioned in this office anymore. | ||
| He said, look, I've got landslides and I've got earthquakes. | ||
| That's the main geologic hazards we deal with here. | ||
| There's no way I can deal with that. | ||
| So he said, okay, you can talk about them, but you can't predict them. | ||
| So that's when I started my newsletter. | ||
| And by the way, as in past times on your show, to anyone that sends me a self-addressed stamped envelope. | ||
| Brace yourself. | ||
| Self-addressed stamp. | ||
| I will send them a copy of a past newsletter this year. | ||
| And because the show has grown. | ||
| Yeah, well, let them go. | ||
| I've got these newsletters. | ||
| I don't want to waste them. | ||
| And everybody grabbed a piece of paper and pencil. | ||
| This is free. | ||
| Do you hear me? | ||
| Free. | ||
| Self-addressed stamped envelope. | ||
| Be sure you send that. | ||
| Yep, and it should be a business-sized envelope. | ||
| Like number 10, I think they do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And 32-cent stamp on it, and that'll just make it. | ||
| Send it to P.O. Box 1920. | ||
| Gee, I almost forget my own P.O. Box. | ||
| 1926. | ||
| 1926. | ||
| I just moved here to Glen Ellen. | ||
| San Jose. | ||
| P.O. Box, 1927, California, 95442. | ||
| I think the Pew Box. | ||
| Jim Birkland. | ||
| Jim Birkland, B-C-R-K-L-A-N-D. | ||
| And all that information is on the website if they get to that. | ||
| All right, but a lot of people, of course, won't. | ||
| P.O. Box 1926. | ||
| Glenn Ellen. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| G-L-E-N. | ||
| E-L-L-E-N. | ||
| Yep, the home of Jack London, and where very nice wine is being produced these days. | ||
| Coffee, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also, earthquake country. | ||
| Yes, but not too bad up here. | ||
| We suffered in 1906. | ||
| All right. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Jim Birkland. | ||
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Good evening, Art. | |
| Good evening. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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It's Nick from Washington again. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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And I suppose you're going to get a lot of questions like this for Jim, but I was just wondering if I'm about 080 miles from Seattle, so naturally I'm sort of interested in what might or might not be going on up there. | |
| The quake occurred in April. | ||
| And back in May 2nd to May 9th of 1996, did you feel the Duval quake of 5.4? | ||
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Yes, we did. | |
| Okay, it was on the first day of my window. | ||
| And I had some very nice letters from people thanking me for alerting them to that period. | ||
| One lady said, I didn't let my kids go to the kingdom last night to see the baseball game. | ||
| And of course, they stopped the game and evacuated the stadium. | ||
| And an officer for emergency services said, I'm sure glad I got your newsletter because you talked about the importance of maintaining equipment, not just having it. | ||
| And I realized we hadn't done a thing with our generators since the floods a couple months earlier. | ||
| So I went out and I greased them up and gassed them up and oiled them up and they're all ready to go when the power went off that night. | ||
| That's what I hope to achieve, to demystify earthquakes. | ||
| Get people to do something about preparedness. | ||
| Preparedness is far more important than prediction. | ||
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Are you forecasting anything for the near future for up here? | |
| Yes, I daily watch the missing animals in the Seattle Times on the Internet. | ||
| And you're up to exciting numbers of over 30. | ||
| What's normal? | ||
| It's usually old 20. | ||
| It was 25 before the Duval quake. | ||
| And they're to 30 now? | ||
| Yeah, 30, 32, I think yes. | ||
| So let me ask now, you said the numbers were going berserk in L.A. Now you're saying they're going kind of crackers up there where this caller is in Washington. | ||
| What about, is this all along the West Coast or what? | ||
| Not so in San Francisco. | ||
| There's only three missing animals and ordinary numbers in San Jose. | ||
| I understand that a week ago there were very high numbers over 30 again in the Oakland Tribune, but I'm not monitoring that on a daily basis. | ||
| All right, there you go, caller. | ||
| Animal settle times. | ||
| Satting down the answer. | ||
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Okay, thank you, gentlemen. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Shoot, Dockey. | ||
| Is Cabell in Brooklyn? | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| I'm glad I got through to you, Art. | ||
| I called you on Wednesday, December 31st, 1997, when you were taking predictions for 98. | ||
| And my prediction was that there was going to be a major earthquake in the U.S. by the weekend of April, Saturday, April 18th. | ||
| And I based that on the last two previous major earthquakes near major cities, because I think this is going to be an earthquake that hits at least a semi-major city, and it's going to be in the news for the destruction it causes. | ||
| There was the October 17th, 89th, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. | ||
| And if there is indeed a quickening, as I agree with you going on, by Saturday, April 18th, it has to come within a shorter interval than those last two ones. | ||
| And this, I didn't get any feeling about where at the time, but it was, I think I said it was going to be probably above a 7, like maybe a 7 to a 7.5 in that neighborhood. | ||
| The last two things, and I'm not saying this as an absolute prediction as part of it, but I'm starting to get some vague feelings about Portland, Oregon, and particularly this Sunday, April 12th. | ||
| I don't know if your guest has any feelings about that city or that day in particular. | ||
| Well, I can tell you this. | ||
| We're coming up on a full moon. | ||
| I believe the full moon is going to be Saturday. | ||
| It's today. | ||
| It's today? | ||
| Well, I think, oh, excuse me. | ||
| Then you're right. | ||
| Yeah, it's the 11th, right. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Okay, this is good Friday because I was saying that's right. | ||
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Really? | |
| Why does the moon, and there are so many arguments about this, why does the moon have any effect on the likelihood of an earthquake? | ||
| Well, it has twice the effect that the sun has. | ||
| Let me get hold of this dog here. | ||
| He's moving these plastic bottles around just a moment. | ||
| My guest is Jim Berglund, a geologist. | ||
| And the moon, Jim, the moon. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Well, it doesn't take anything to get him chasing those bottles around. | ||
| So this has been known for 100 years as a plastic on Galileo, his superior, and said, you know, I think the tides and the seas have something to do with the moon. | ||
| And Galileo shut him down and said, That's nothing but astrological nonsense. | ||
| So Kepler had his own problems. | ||
| It's always been like this, hasn't it? | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| So when the moon and the sun line up, you get this effect. | ||
| And this happens twice a month at the time of the newer full moon. | ||
| But only once a month is the moon very close to the moon. | ||
| I have my newsletter syzygy and my website and everything. | ||
| All right, well, hold on. | ||
| We've got to take a break here. | ||
| Fox says we do do. | ||
| We'll be right back with Jim Berkley. | ||
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Life is so wonderful. | |
| Oh, miracle. | ||
| Oh, it was so beautiful. | ||
| On the burning key, singing so happily. | ||
| Oh, voice to me. | ||
| Oh, thank you. | ||
| Watching me. | ||
| Send me away. | ||
| We have to be thankful. | ||
| The drunk spell from the Kingdom of Nigh. | ||
| Northeast of the Rockies, file 1-800-825-5033. | ||
| West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico. | ||
| 1-800-618-825-727-1222. | ||
| And you can call out on the wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295. | ||
| To reach out from outside the U.S., first, dial your access number to the USA. | ||
| Then, 800-893-0903. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast again from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell. | ||
| Actually, there's so much going on with us. | ||
| The Mars photo. | ||
| This story is beginning to break wide open. | ||
| Now, we understand Dr. Malin is beginning to walk backwards at about 100 miles an hour. | ||
| Suddenly, what was clear now was misty and cloudy and accounts for the block. | ||
| I told you, technology. | ||
| They're on the web now at www.com. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I think that we should spend a few moments. | ||
| One thing, there's only one thing certain, and that is there are going to be earthquakes. | ||
| There is going to be lots of bad weather. | ||
| We've had lots of recent demonstrations of that. | ||
| Fatally so for many, I'm afraid. | ||
| A terrible day yesterday in the South China quickly manifested and killed a lot of people. | ||
| Jim, it's worth talking about preparation a little bit. | ||
| Whether there's a quake now or later, there's going to be one. | ||
| How do people get ready? | ||
| Well, there are lots of things I've got to talk to Godfrey. | ||
| I've got that gravity-defying top. | ||
| I've gotten four Beijing radios for my family. | ||
| Oh, aren't they remarkable? | ||
| Yes, they are. | ||
| And I'm going on this Egyptology cruise in May with you and the gang. | ||
| And so that's part of the limitations of quakes. | ||
| We're not going to slide into the sea. | ||
| Earthquakes are not going to last for 10 minutes. | ||
| It's not the end of the earth. | ||
| Although that Alaskan earthquake in 64, Good Friday, lasted for three and a half minutes. | ||
| And they know that because a radio announcer was practicing at home with a recorder. | ||
| And his comments went on for three and a half minutes. | ||
| He couldn't stand. | ||
| So let alone the instrumental measurements. | ||
| But that was a practical one. | ||
| You can just time that. | ||
| Secondly, that we count on won't be available. | ||
| So first of all, you should prepare yourself and your family to, say, camp out in or about your home for a week. | ||
| And primarily, you have to make sure you have enough water. | ||
| If you have a well with a pump, you probably won't have any electricity. | ||
| So one little thing that I do is take my milk cartons, flush them out after I'm done with them, and fill them nine-tenths full of water and put them in the freezer. | ||
| And when the power goes off, you have a big icebox. | ||
| Or if you just have a sudden... | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Oh, what a wonderful idea. | ||
| I just thought of that one. | ||
| And it's so handy, too, if you have some sudden guests, you need some extra ice cubes, just make sure you slide this, pour a little hot water on it, and it slides out and you can reuse the same carton. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| If you're going on a camping trip or a picnic, you put it in your freezer chest or your camping chest. | ||
| And then when it melts, you've got water to put out your campfire or to drink if you must. | ||
| Put it in your radiator wherever it's needed. | ||
| Bring it back. | ||
| Keep it frozen. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| And, of course, these light sticks are very useful. | ||
| They use the luciferin from the firefly, and they just discovered this like 10 years ago, and the kids use them for Halloween and all. | ||
| They're waterproof. | ||
| They wait around for years and don't deteriorate. | ||
| And you just bend them a little bit, and the two chemicals that produce will die the next morning. | ||
| So it's a good idea to have some of those in your car, at your office. | ||
| In fact, the power went off all across the West around Christmas time. | ||
| What was it, in 81, something like that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And at the office, we couldn't even sign off the final building permits. | ||
| And I said, oh, I've got a light stick in my briefcase. | ||
| So I went over, and I suddenly realized I had demonstrated it at a talk a couple of days earlier, and we had no light. | ||
| So we had to send the people home and ourselves. | ||
| Got home, and here's the family sitting around. | ||
| Stanton Friedman was a visitor. | ||
| His family. | ||
| And they were sitting around with a candlelight. | ||
| And I said, wait a minute, I've got a Coleman out in the garage. | ||
| And so I got my Coleman out, and I started pumping it and pumping it. | ||
| It turns out the generous, lately I bought a second Coleman lantern and a couple of spare generators and a couple of spare mantles and another can of white gas, and so I'm ready. | ||
| But it's way better. | ||
| So it's very handy to have these extra supplies in the trunk of your car, maybe foodstuffs, slide them under the bed in a box where they're out of the way, and then rotate them. | ||
| If it's something that, you know, don't have enough room in the freezer, then you put a couple of drops of bleach in a gallon of water, and that'll last for a couple of years. | ||
| So often it's been the water situation that's been the most desperate. | ||
| As water mains tough, you're walking the little reservoir back of your tub, and you've got some on your hot water tank if it hasn't toppled over. | ||
| I have a question for you, Jim. | ||
| I have a water well here. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And oh, it's down, I think, about 160 feet, something like that. | ||
| What typically occurs in areas of earthquakes to water wells? | ||
| Lots of things. | ||
| Unexpectedly, they may rise 15 or 20 feet, or they may drop, or they may begin to bubble, and H2S gas or CO2 come out. | ||
| And you wonder what the blade suddenly become inoperative in an earthquake? | ||
| Well, it shuts off the aquifer. | ||
| That happened in this very house I'm sitting at, put well in, back in 1943, and it operated until 1980. | ||
| And suddenly, with the Livermore earthquake that I mentioned my cat came back with, the water well dried up. | ||
| We had to quickly get the well driller to come out and buzz down a 450-foot well. | ||
| And I, of course, claimed that as a casualty loss from the earthquake. | ||
| And the IRS said, no way. | ||
| I said, well, this type of thing does happen associated with a lot of earthquakes. | ||
| It's not that unusual. | ||
| Well, maybe if some geologist would sign a statement along that line, I said, I don't think that'll be too much trouble. | ||
| And maybe it's a good boar. | ||
| Yeah, it was legitimate. | ||
| I did a little research paper, and the same thing happened with the Hatchman quake and the 1906 quake. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Hell, good for you. | ||
| You're right, Pursue it. | ||
| 101% of the time. | ||
| So you're part of the lucky 15. | ||
| All right, let's take a few quick calls. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Good morning, Art. | ||
| Good morning, sir. | ||
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This is Jeff in Boston. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| And I just want to tell you before I ask my question to Mr. Birkland that you have totally disrupted my sleep schedule. | ||
| Now I come home from work, go right to sleep so I can wake up and listen to you all night. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's almost going on 5 o'clock in Boston. | ||
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You're absolutely right on that. | |
| Well, Mr. Berkel. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I'm flying into L.A. on the 15th of the week. | ||
| And I'm wondering, you know, what are the astronomical alignments here? | ||
| You know, should I be bringing some extra equipment with me? | ||
| Well, you might just miss it. | ||
| You're in between the windows there. | ||
| The summer solstice is on Father's Day. | ||
| And last year, I alerted the people up in New York. | ||
| It was going to be a high tide period. | ||
| I said around the 22nd of June. | ||
| And lo and behold, the 4.9 hit Berminton on the 23rd. | ||
| And that was the strongest quake in the 48 contiguous states all year. | ||
| And I alerted them to that several months in advance, and back in February, when I also had a 3.5 up there. | ||
| So that period, if I was going to Los Angeles, I think I'd pick that week. | ||
| That's certainly comforting. | ||
| Mr. Bell, I did visit your website this afternoon, and I looked at those pictures, and, you know, it looks to me like that latter picture of the Sidonia area is simply sanded in, like a big sandstorm blew across it and covered up a whole lot of stuff that covers so much clearer in the earlier Viking. | ||
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Is that a reasonable expectation? | |
| Listen, I don't know what's reasonable and unreasonable right now. | ||
| What I do know is this whole story is breaking wide open like an egg dropped from a large building. | ||
| I appreciate your call, sir. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thank you, and take care. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
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Hi, Jim Berkeley. | |
| This is Howard Coley from Honolulu. | ||
| Are you familiar with Nick Baker's book? | ||
| I got that book right off, and I called him on one occasion when our power went off. | ||
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Yeah, and then he talks about this Professor Gordon McDaniel from the Institute of Geophysics at UCLA. | |
| And then this Professor McDonald talks about using the environment as a weapon system and weather manipulation, climate modifications, polar ice cap melting, ozone depletion, and earthquake engineering. | ||
| Dr. McDonnell, Professor of Philosophy at Sonoma State University, that's the name that I is certainly knowledgeable about HAARP. | ||
| And I'm very, very suspicious about what the government tells us their plans are about HAARP. | ||
| I do know when they first tried it about a quarter, the process, what's it going to go to, 2 billion watts, some incredible number, when they did it like a quarter, the power went off in about seven western states and parts of Alaska, and an AWACS plane that was checking what happened to radar over the horizon, It crashed. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| Well, yes, if you're talking about Tesla. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's certainly a whole new topic. | ||
| I believe that story about him devising a little oscillator that got in tune with a big building and it began to build up so that the building might have collapsed, given enough time. | ||
| Jim, going back to the outage, I was on the air the night of that outage. | ||
| And I'm telling you right now, that outage went from northern B.C. in Canada down across the western third of the U.S. and into Mexico. | ||
| And they never adequately explained. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Was that the one with the tree limb in Idaho? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, whatever it was, they finally got some thoughts at the time where we have devised this incredibly wonderful grid system for loads. | ||
| But another important aspect of the grid is to provide fire doors or, like on a sub-waterproof doors, so that if one cabin floods, you don't lose the whole thing. | ||
| And the whole grid went down. | ||
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Overloaded. | |
| Places that couldn't handle it. | ||
| But all the safety features, every one of them, didn't work. | ||
| And now we've got more and more computers that are going to crash. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I know Beggich thinks so. | ||
| I know he does. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with. | ||
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A question for Jim. | |
| In regards to his projections for an earthquake, my question is, how is that going to affect as far as tidal surges and tidal waves along coastal areas? | ||
| Well, any large earthquake on the floor of the sea that has mainly up and down motion is capable of Andreas can't produce a tidal wave because it's sideways. | ||
| It's something like if you by the edge and just pull it out, no problem. | ||
| If you pick it up and move it straight up, full face, it's going to flood out and you sink. | ||
| So that same thing happens on the floor of the ocean in 1764 with the Alaskan quake. | ||
| 47 feet of differential motion or ones were changed. | ||
| So in Long California, our main concern about tsunami are from South America and from Alaska. | ||
| I saw a special on tsunamis that scared the hell out of me. | ||
| And they covered some of the terms. | ||
| And they had some tsunamis that literally took everything down to the ground. | ||
| Some 30-foot waves came into Hilo, particularly. | ||
| The thing is, it isn't just one wave. | ||
| It's often in a series of waves, one of which may be larger than the others. | ||
| If you're near the seashore and it suddenly withdraws and you see fish flopping, get the heck out of there. | ||
| Head for high ground. | ||
| Well, I hear you. | ||
| Listen, we're coming towards the end of this. | ||
| I want to do an hour is allow you, I mean, it really is an incredibly generous offer to send people a free copy of your newsletter. | ||
| Certainly give them the address again. | ||
| If you send a self-addressed stamped envelope, that means put the stamp on it, folks. | ||
| Just a size. | ||
| Number 10, envelope, business size, yep. | ||
| To Jim Birkland. | ||
| He will send you a free copy of his newsletter. | ||
| Very generous. | ||
| You're going to be sending out a lot of them. | ||
| And the address is. | ||
| Go ahead, Jim. | ||
| Deal box 1926, Glenn Ellen, G-L-E-N-E-L-L-E-N. | ||
| And the zip is 95442. | ||
| All right, we'll give that again here in a second. | ||
| What's in that newsletter? | ||
| Well, we talk, we always have a prediction for the month. | ||
| We describe what happened in the previous month. | ||
| And we have a little history and some details that sometimes are personal and sometimes just from the historic record. | ||
| We have a little bit of philosophy here and there. | ||
| For example, after I came away from Giza, I realized the meaning of life. | ||
| You know, you often search for it and all of a sudden it became it? | ||
| Your whole body becomes in tune. | ||
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I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| And so it's suddenly an interesting, all kinds of thoughts came to me. | ||
| Well, why does the body purpose and strive to achieve it? | ||
| Anything less is a waste of existence. | ||
| And that answers it for me. | ||
| And so I'm doing what my purpose is. | ||
| I found my purpose. | ||
| A lot of people don't. | ||
| You at least have to make the effort to try. | ||
| And once you know what your purpose is, then try to achieve it. | ||
| I also believe I'm one of the fortunate few, and I think I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, Jim. | ||
| That's very gratifying. | ||
| It really is gratifying. | ||
| All right, it's Jim Birkland in Gwynnellen. | ||
| That's G-L-E-N-E-L-L-E-N, California. | ||
| Zip code 95442, a self-addressed stamped envelope, business size or number 10, however you want to look at it. | ||
| And it's free. | ||
| And I am back to where I was raised, the Valley of the Moon. | ||
| So I have returned to my roots, and I really feel completed. | ||
| That's good to hear, Jim. | ||
| That's good to hear. | ||
| I don't know that there really is anything more in life than achieving what you wanted to achieve. | ||
| I really thank you. | ||
| Particularly, by the way, folks, he did this on very, very short notice tonight. | ||
| He sent me a fax and I said, wow. | ||
| And away we went with Mars and earthquakes and all the rest of it. | ||
| Jim, thank you so much. | ||
| It's always a pleasure, Archie. | ||
| It's a pleasure to have him on. | ||
| We're going to go into one hour of open lines. | ||
| There is so much pop. | ||
| Nothing is falling apart like a bad dream in front of NASA's eyes. | ||
| Malin is beginning to step backward at a fast pace. |
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