Al Bielek, a 70-year-old physicist and Navy veteran (born Edward Cameron in 1916), recounts the Philadelphia Experiment—a 1943 classified test using Tesla’s electromagnetic tech, 8-megawatt generators, and vacuum tubes to render the USS Eldridge invisible for 20 minutes. Crew suffered neurological damage, two sailors vanished into hyperspace, and the ship reappeared four hours later, while Bielek and his brother Duncan were mysteriously transported to Montauk in 1983. Van Neumann’s pulsed system and Atlantean-derived time travel tech (Operation Southern Cross) allegedly enabled unintended space-time ruptures, flooding Earth with alien entities since 1943—linking Roswell, White Sands, and later UFO incidents. Uncontrolled experiments risk catastrophic consequences, mirroring the secrecy of atomic weapons. [Automatically generated summary]
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So, instead, coming your way in a few moments, an absolute legend in his own time, Al Bielick.
Al Belik is one of the survivors of the Philadelphia experiments.
He was intimately involved in the Philadelphia experiment, and we're going to talk to him.
He's way over in Georgia someplace or another.
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Well, all right.
This man is a legend.
Almost everybody by now knows about the Philadelphia experiment.
If you don't listen carefully, you're about to find out.
It was an attempt to make a ship disappear.
You can well imagine with submarines sinking our ships on a regular basis.
America had good reason to try and figure out a way to make their ships as invisible as possible.
And that is what led to an attempt to do exactly that that was called and is known as the Philadelphia Experiment.
There are not many men alive who were part of that.
The project, however, started long before the war years.
It actually started in 1931 as a feasibility study.
And that involved Nicola Tesla, Dr. Darren Hutchinson, who was then dean at the University of Chicago Engineering Department, and a staff physicist, Dr. Emil Kurtenauer.
And they did what we today we call a paper study, feasibility study, and didn't get very far with it until about 1934 when the project was transferred out of the University of Chicago, which is where it originated, to the Institute of Advanced Study at Princeton, New Jersey.
Now, that institute has only come online in 1933 and had four original staff members, some of whom became part of the work of the experiment, though there were other projects afoot there also.
It was a Dr. Alexander, Dr. John Van Neumann, of course, Albert Einstein, and a Dr. Oswald Webland, of which very little is known at this time.
And the radar, of course, was a laboratory play thing from 1931 until about 38 when the Navy had some of its first experimental radar systems aboard a few ships.
And the radar wasn't very good then until about 41.
In 1941 there was a major quantum leap and radar became a very useful and valuable tool.
And the Germans also had their own developments about that time which made it a very valuable tool to them also.
But the original intent was more or less just a study to see if you could do it.
It wasn't concerned particularly about whether the Navy wanted to make chips invisible.
That came a little later.
But it did become an interest of interest to the Navy from the beginning because the Navy has always had money for research.
And at that time they were looking at all kinds of new things and, well, is there anything here that's worth investing in?
And of course in 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt came into office as the 32nd President of the U.S.
He was an old friend of Nicola Tesla's because they had met during World War I in 1917 when Roosevelt was under Secretary of the Navy.
So Tesla got invited to Washington and usually exchanged amenities and eventually wound up being named director of this experimental project, which was not classified at that time.
It was strictly a study program and nobody cable particularly what went on at the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton because very few people knew about the place.
Yes, technically the approach then was the same as later on, at least during and through the end of World War II.
It was a very complex system involving an understanding mathematically of the interrelationship between electric fields, magnetic fields, the gravity field, and it is a field, and the time field, which is also a field effect.
And how do they interact?
And can you manipulate one by manipulating the other three?
And according to the textbooks, the lines of force go from the north pole to the south pole.
And they interconnect in a more or less linear manner, which is not true because the apparatus exists today to prove that the magnetic field of the north pole does not cross over to the south pole or vice versa.
There is a wall in the middle called the block wall where the two fields intermingle.
And this is absolutely observable with the proper equipment.
It's not observable by using the old tried and true method of iron filings because what you do when you use iron filings is you magnetize each one of those little pieces of iron and they all become magnets in a line and they all line up like there was no external field.
No, they had not at this point yet come to that conclusion.
But with the work which involved not only John von Neumann's understanding of some of the German mathematicians whom he understudied when he was in Germany before he came to the U.S., particularly the field effects and the idea of multiple realities and multiple universes, it's postulated by more than one mathematician.
Von Neumann took that work.
He also later on took the work of Einstein and the unified field theory, which was first tentatively released in 1929, but then withdrawn when Lord Russell took a look at Einstein's work and said, the world is not ready for this.
I suggest you withdraw it.
So Einstein did and said there were flaws in it.
He had to correct.
And according to the public word and the public knowledge, it was never reissued, which is not true.
It was reissued about 1938 and completed, and whatever corrections you might have made, but it is still classified and is part of the, shall we say, the reservoir of knowledge which our government retains for its own use.
It was not really very successful, but it did tell them that they were at least working in the right direction because they got partial results, but they did not get complete results.
And they continued work at the Institute in 1940, September, if I remember correctly, they had the first really successful test with a small Navy ship.
It was a tender, small, about 250, 300 tons at Brooklyn Navy Yard.
And utilizing the same basic technical approach, it was fully successful.
And if you interlock the RF field with the magnetic field and rotating counterclockwise, the two different rates of rotation, with a correct mathematical relationship, you will interact with the gravity field, and with that, you will also lock into the time field.
If you take a rotating RF field, which is an electric field, You're concerned with the electric component, the electric field component, a magnetic field which is rotating both counterclockwise, but at different rates.
Actually, the rate that was concerned was one was rotating twice as fast as the other.
It was exotic, but not beyond the range of, let us say, practical reality, because the Navy was already working with radar systems running at 200 megahertz 400 up to 500 megs with push-pull triodes.
When the Magnetron was snuck over from England in late 1940 and went to Western Electric to be duplicated and manufactured, they suddenly had a quantum leap in radar because they went up to 9.5 gigahertz.
If you look at some of the technical work that has been made available to the public, such as P. D. Palucke's book on how you can examine higher levels of space and time, he goes into the mathematical equivalent shown graphically of the torus of time, as it is called.
You can mathematically model time as a coil working its way through space.
No, in the case of the 1940 test, the ship was dockside, actually not immediately dockside, but in an area of the Brooklyn Navy Yard where the water was fairly deep, and they ran long cables from two adjacent ships, which had the rest of the heavy equipment on them.
And the coils and the antenna, which provided the rotating magnetic and electric fields, were on the ship, which was the test vehicle, namely the small tender.
To both radar and well at that time they weren't concerned really about radar because this was 1940 and radar was not yet accepted throughout the fleet.
They weren't really producing a static voltage per se.
It was the RF field which has two components, electric and magnetic, and they were only concerned with the electric field effect, which would be measured in so many volts per meter, typically.
We were brought on board by the Navy, and apparently because of our father's connections.
We both had degrees, PhDs in physics.
We both graduated in the summer of 1939, I from Harvard, and Brother Duncan from University of Edinburgh in Edinburgh, Scotland.
And we enlisted in the Navy in September of 1939, went through a 90-day winter school training, as we called it.
And in January 1940, we became part of the project.
Now, what did we do is what you asked.
Basically, we had to be brought up to speed of what we thought we knew everything, but we quickly found out we didn't know the cutting edge of science and technology.
It was far ahead of the schools.
When we were brought up to speed, our task was twofold.
One, to give whatever assistance we could theoretically or in terms of building some specialized equipment.
And secondly, to learn and understand what the whole system was about.
Because at a later date, the two of us were designated as the people who operated the equipment when it came to the point of onboard equipment on an operating ship.
So in other words, they at that point already were anticipating a live experiment downline, and you had to be brought up to speed, know the theory, and understand how to operate the equipment.
You're asking me to remember something which I didn't really fully know, but as was characteristic at that time, typically the tests ran about 20 minutes.
And when the ship returned to normal visibility, it was in exactly the same location.
There was no change in the shape or damage to the ship.
In that case, at about the halfway point or the point at which the field encompassed the cable, the cable must have appeared to simply disappear into thin air.
The Navy took the project over, assigned headquarters for the operation in the Philadelphia Navy to continue the organization of the test, the preparation for further testing and for eventually going to full-blown systems.
In the Philadelphia Navy Art, the theoretical work was still done at the Institute of Advanced Study, so Duncan and I were shuttling back and forth on a regular basis.
Einstein was involved almost from the beginning when it went to the Institute of Advanced Study because he was what they called the overseer of all the projects ongoing there.
He had a nickname called we called him the general.
If you had a problem, you went to see the general.
If you got hung up for two weeks, he would usually solve it in five or ten minutes.
Theoretically, he was unparalleled in terms of theory and concepts.
Mathematics, he wasn't necessarily always the best, but that's not to be derogatory of Einstein.
There were other people who knew math extremely well, such as John Van Neumann.
And Tesla, who was designated director of the project, also knew his math very well.
He also had a track record of never failing in anything he did up to that point.
They thought that they had proven you can make an object invisible, you can make a ship invisible, therefore it's only a matter of scaling the equipment to make a large ship of the fleet invisible, such as a battleship, which is what Rizible gave Tesla next.
Well, from that point on, September 1940, shortly after that, they moved a battleship into the backcorp, classified section of the Philadelphia Navy Yard and told Tesla, well, as Rizible said, I'm giving you a real ship to make invisible.
Now, if you can make this invisible, they can make anything invisible.
So obviously, they had to upscale the equipment, the power, and they weren't allowed to make major renovations on the battleship, which created a problem because the equipment became much larger and more cumbersome, and they had to mount either all of it on the deck of the ship or find some way to enclose it on the ship because they were dealing with two large alternators.
They were dealing with four coils.
They were dealing with ref equipment.
And all of this had to be put on the ship someplace.
These were generators to provide the power for the coils which produced the rotating magnetic field.
It was a very intense field.
And of course, when you go from say 250 or 300 tons to 30,000 tons, you have a considerable upscaling of power requirements.
And that became a very sticky point with Tesla because he knew what he had to do in the way of power because of the approach.
And he also knew that with the amount of power that would be required to make a battleship invisible, that he was going to have serious personnel problems.
You were generating essentially a donut-shaped field in which the ship, like in the doughnut, sat in the middle in the hole.
And a battleship was quite large, as is now today a carrier is even bigger.
But when you go from a small tender, which may only be 120, 150 feet long, to a battleship which was about 600, 700 feet long, depending on the class, you have a field which is many times larger, and the power goes up exponentially.
at this point you've got this gigantic experiment underway the hardware stuff being installed i guess you were were you part of that Were you part of it?
were part of it, but not for the whole time because in January 1941 the Navy decided that Duncan and I, being officers, had to go to sea to learn what the Navy was all about.
So they shipped us out and we went on the USS Pennsylvania from sometime in late January until October of 1941 when it came into Pearl Harbor to go into dry dock for some more overhaul.
Pennsylvania was launched and commissioned in 1916 and I think it spent, well, I traced the history, it spent almost half of its life someplace in overhaul, a repair, not that necessarily it was needing of all of these repairs, but they kept upgrading it and updating it.
And it was Roosevelt's favorite ship and they wanted it to be completely modern, so to speak.
So I went to dry dock at GOES in 1941 in October in Pearl Harbor.
And on December 5th, we were scheduled to return to Pearl Harbor.
And as we were about to board the plane at the Naval Air Station in San Francisco at Alameda, we were stopped, told our orders were canceled, and we were to go upstairs in the naval building and speak with an officer up there.
It turned out to be Hal Bowen Sr., who was then head of the Office of Naval Engineering.
He told us that we were not going back to Pearl Harbor.
Our orders were cancelled, but had reason to believe the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor within 48 to 72 hours, and they didn't want us there.
He said, you will take off some more leave time until the end of your tour with the Pennsylvania, then you go back in January to the Institute.
He was concerned about the effects not only of the RF fields, but the rotating magnetic field.
And his subsequent work proved the combined effect of the rotating electric and the magnetic field, so I think more the magnetic field than anything else, produced severe neurological disturbances in the human nervous system and the human brain.
Well, I think one could say that categorically it was wartime.
They were in a hurry at that point because they were facing the problems of the sinking of about half of our shipping going across the Atlantic by a very efficient German U-boat fleet.
And they were really pressured to find some solutions.
And they didn't care at that point, and this is Tesla's concern, they didn't care at this point about how many sailors were sacrificed in the process of getting a workable solution.
They were concerned about the overall picture of how we're going to stop this sinking of our ships, which half of it was going to the bomb.
And each one of those ships, of course, represented anywhere from 50 to several hundred either merchantmen or sailors involved in each ship.
Well, the test date was set for March 42, and Tesla realized that it was contingent upon him to make a decision as to whether he's going to go ahead with a test and sacrifice probably some sailors.
Yes, he made sure that none of the equipment worked in proper synchronization, that some of the transmitter drives were very weak, so there was no insufficient power output from the final booster stages.
I don't know if he told anything because at times they were having difficulty speaking to each other because Van Neumann was a Ph.D. in physics, and here the director of the project didn't have degree one to his name.
It would be interesting to know only because then you would know what to think about Van Neumann, whether he went ahead with knowledge that humans were going to die.
Well, he did not at that point because he said to the Navy, I have to examine this situation and find out what happened or what's wrong.
And of course, he quickly found out what was wrong, and then he decided, well, I don't like Tesla's approach completely, and the math is correct, but I don't want to do an analog system.
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You are listening to what I consider to be a historic interview with Al Bielick, now 70 years of age, and one of the last survivors of the Philadelphia experiment, that experiment to make a ship invisible.
In the first hour, we have traced, technically and carefully, the origins of this experiment, its genesis, the electronic detail behind this experiment from the lab to a ship.
And now we're going to talk about the USS Eldridge in a moment.
Just a very quick note.
We've got something so hot, it's burning on the webpage.
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It's a picture of an alien being interrogated by a U.S. general.
We'll tell you the entire story in an hour.
In the meantime, get up there if you want to see this photograph, which is copyrighted and may not be reproduced in any way, and is only on our webpage with exclusive permission from Rocket Video, arranged by Sean Morton.
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The Eldridge was unlike what the Navy's official record says, and of course they acknowledge an Eldridge.
The official record, I will not quote, but the actual record was it was launched in July of 42, and the keel was actually in the process of being laid in July of 42.
It was launched September of 42, went into dry dock for 90 days at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
It was actually built up at the Newark shipbuilding yards at Corney, New Jersey, Corney and Newark.
And there was 90 days approximately in dry dock getting the heavy equipment put in.
But Van Neumann went to the drawing boards, picked the number, which is DE-173.
It was not commissioned at that time and had no name.
And said, leave gun turret number two unfinished and a certain part of the interior open to put some very heavy equipment in it, which is the way they left the ship.
And then when in dry dock, they installed the two very large alternators, 75 kVA each.
Very large electric drive motor, 750 horsepower, gear boxes, a 8-megawatt diesel-electric power generator, because ship's power was totally inadequate for handling the requirements for the system, at least at that point.
So they had their own separate power system.
And all this had to be put in the hold.
And then, of course, there was some other heavy equipment.
And that was in there.
They finally took it out of dry dock, took the ship under its own power to the Philadelphia Navy Yard back section where they outfitted the rest of the electronics, a special antenna, the four strange conically shaped coils which Tesla designed to put on the deck for the rotating magnetic field.
Tesla liked to design all of his transformers or his coils in a conical shape.
He said they were more efficient that way.
I don't think anybody's been able to prove it yet that he was right or wrong.
But today it's much more convenient to wind coils in a more linear fashion that lends itself to machinery, but that's beside the point.
All of that stuff had to be put on the elder.
It's a control panel, the control room, and the basic master oscillator, the master pulse generator, a special piece of equipment called a zero time reference generator.
Not only was I think it beyond the state of the art, but that much RF in a close field rotating minus all these other things would be biologically quite dangerous.
And what it did was, because of the phasing of the power output of those transmitters, even though they were pulsed, you produced electrically a rotating field, and you will produce in the antenna from its actual RF output a rotating field also.
The coils are on deck, and the antenna was on deck.
And there was a special control room which Duncan and I ran the equipment from because in those days there were no computers, everything was manually operated.
At the time of the test, there was a total of 25 personnel, including Duncan and I. There were 10 officers and 15 enlisted, which they could put normally, the normal complement was 150 personnel, but for the actual test in the Philadelphia Harbor, they only wanted a skeleton crew.
And some of those Navy personnel enlisted and were on deck as observers, and the rest were below deck, shielded by the steel.
And Duncan and I, of course, were in a control room, which was totally shielded by steel, so we were not exposed to the direct field effects.
In other words, they had for the first test of the Elridge, which was July 12th, sorry, July 22nd, 1943, there was one observer ship, and that was a carrier, which was at Van Neumann on deck.
And one of his assistants, as well as Captain Harrison for the Navy, was controlling the tests.
And there was only one observer ship at that point.
Well, there were several pieces of equipment we had to turn on and sequence and bring the power level up on the generators, which was for the magnetic field rather slowly.
And when everything was up to a proper level, then what happened to those who were viewing it from the carrier deck was you saw this very strange rotating field sort of glistening.
It's hard to describe exactly, but you saw this thing rotating, and the next thing you know, the ship fades out and you don't see anything except the water line.
You know, you know, on a hot summer day when you're looking down a road, it looks like you're seeing water and you're seeing a little ripple effect coming up.
We had orders in advance as to the profile of the test as to how we were to proceed, and there was to be about 20 minutes.
And they were hoping they would be able to communicate with us by radio for an actual shutdown.
As a matter of fact, they made the attempt to communicate with us, but as I remember now, we didn't get much of any communication through because that type of field barrier is a barrier to RF communications.
In fact, Van Neumann had already anticipated this problem because Duncan and I kept telling Van Neumann that Tesla insisted there was going to be a personnel problem.
He didn't want to hear about it around March of 1943.
But by June of 43, he had already considered the problem and tried to institute a change in the structure of the field, hoping that it would prevent personnel problems.
And the additional generator he had installed never worked properly.
Al Bielick, who has agreed to stay on another hour.
And I want to thank Sean David Morton, who has agreed to come on an hour late.
Sean has supplied us with a photograph that is a worldwide exclusive.
That purports to be the interview of an alien creature at Area 51, a film, a picture snapped from a film smuggled out of, allegedly, Area 51.
And by the way, I briefly, of course, talked a few moments ago to Sean David Morton, who investigated every detail of the story Al Bilik is now telling you and has confirmed these things.
He'll tell you about it as he comes on at 2 o'clock Pacific time.
Meantime, we're back to Al Bilik in a moment.
And I'm going to ask him about the treatment of those sailors who came back with what sounds like rather severe biological damage.
You are listening to one of the last survivors of the Philadelphia Experiment.
The experiment to make a ship invisible.
He's Al Bilik.
And here he is once again.
Al, before we move on to the second tragic experiment with Eldridge, I'm a little curious.
These men who were damaged psychologically, mentally confused, what became of them?
Well, after the first test, obviously at this point, Van Neumann knows there's severe biological danger, so he begins to tinker a little bit, trying to figure out how, I guess, to achieve the effect without hurting people.
And I asked Al Bowen Sr., who I knew quite well at that time, I said, where did this come from?
He said, well, I'll see what I can find out.
It came from Admiral King, who was then CNO, Chief of Naval Operations, which meant that he was in charge of the general operations of the entire fleet throughout the entire theaters of war.
Now why would a man in his position be concerned about an engineering test?
It made no sense to us.
I've only uh much later found out what it was all about and that would take perhaps more time even than the three hours.
But in any case, we were stuck with that test date, so we worked around the clock.
We were not at that point afraid of the consequences.
We figured there was an engineering solution.
But when we were hit with this drop-dead date, then we did become concerned.
In fact, I could say conclusively the three days before the final test of the 12th, well, wasn't the final test, but the test of the 12th August, that many of the crew members had this gut feeling that something was drastically wrong.
I did.
Duncan did.
And one of the other crew members, who, believe it or not, in the later incarnation wound up as my roommate in Atlantis and is now dead also, but he, under certain very peculiar circumstances, always revisiting the scene of the crime, so to speak, recalled the night of 9 August 1943 in a diner in Philadelphia where we happened to stop.
This was about two years ago.
The whole sequence, how terribly worried he was that night, and I was there with him.
Yeah, so what I'm asking about really are you say they changed the requirements or what you had to meet, but what did you guys do technically as you were racing toward this date?
There wasn't really much we could do because there was no basic change you could make in the approach which would solve the problem.
Theoretically, if you were to solve this problem, they would have had to use a very different approach in the first place.
Very briefly, for your technical listeners, what we had was a doughnut field which was open in the center and the ship sat in the center.
This meant that the ship was open to any other type of field that might be impinged from the outside, which was a concern on the 12th August test.
If they had gone the more complex approach, which was suggested back originally, of an oblate spheroid, which means a totally enclosed field, nothing could have hit it from the outside.
They could have done various things to protect the personnel more readily than they could with a doughnut field.
But the approach was made to use the doughnut or torus field because it was a simpler approach and easier to implement.
And nobody had any idea at that time of what the possible consequences would be of the 12 August test.
Well, at this point, the Navy is saying they don't care about o optical invisibility.
So presumably to not have optical invisibility and yet still have radar invisibility, you would imagine some sort of significant technical modification would have been attempted.
The only thing they did was to reduce somewhat the angle of advance of the angle of phase shift and the time field.
Now this gets into very complex math, but basically we were shifting the time field phase-wise in the first test about 60 degrees, which gave us optical invisibility, but the ship was still physically here in our domain.
You relax it slightly, you can see the ship through a very strange haze, but it is still radar invisible at about a 45-degree phase shift.
As I remember now, there was about eight people on deck, and the rest were below deck.
Duncan and I were in the control room.
Of course, there was a captain on board the ship who took the ship down to its station for the test, and then he removed himself from the bridge and went down below where it was safer.
And for the final test, we had three observer ships.
The carrier with the same personnel on board watching the test.
A merchant ship known as the SS Furiouseth, and a Coast Guard Cutter.
One thing of note was this strange man, Carlos Miguel Lenda, who turns up in many of the related stories later.
His real name was Carl Allen, and he was a Navy officer, and he was stationed on the SS Fury Seth, a little further away for the tests.
The Merchant Marine, of course, expected all this equipment to work properly, and they had many spare sets built up already so they could all be installed on the ships and hopefully provide almost immediate coverage and protection.
So that way we were set up for the final test.
And of course we were given the orders to proceed with the test.
And there was one minor change made in the control room.
We had direct access to two-way radio in the control room instead of through a, shall we say, a relay link, which was the case for the first test.
We turned everything on in the same procedure and through the observer ships it appeared for the first minute, actually up to about 70 seconds, that everything was going as planned.
Namely, they had radar invisibility, but they could still see the ship through a strange sort of greenish haze.
They could also see a very large water line, much larger than the ship.
And that, of course, was the same as in the first test.
Of course, Ben Neumann was biting his fingernails, so to speak, and so was everybody else, including Captain Harrison and all the other scientific personnel watching it.
They didn't know what to do, so they sat there and the carrier and the other ships, and they waited.
It was nearly four hours later, the ship returned to the same spot where it had apparently left.
And a flickering of the level of illumination coming from the heaters.
And then the next thing that happens in the control room, we start to get what appeared to be high-voltage rock over, and there was no high-voltage equipment in the control room.
One of the last surviving participants in the Philadelphia experiment.
Al Bielik is my guest.
Al's now about 70, and I'm describing him as venerable.
We'll find out when we bring him back here in a moment whether that's an ooky description.
Listen, I've got to announce that we pushed back the appearance of Sean David Morton by his and with his permission by one hour.
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Well, if you wish, I don't particularly care one way or the other.
Because actually, venerable means somebody that's quite old, and if you consider the fact that I'm essentially 70 as Al Bielik plus 30 years as Ed Cameron, that puts me up in the category of being 100, so maybe that's venerable.
Going back and looking at it now, I cannot come up with any reasonable excuse why Duncan and I, he was the one that sort of moved that direction first, but why we both had the same idea at the same moment is a very good question.
And we were approached by this elderly civilian who introduced himself as Dr. John Van Neumann.
And we didn't believe him.
He says, well, you're in no longer 1943 or 1983.
And in essence, he had come the hard way and was 40 years older.
And we had arrived quickly and were not 40 years older.
But we didn't believe him.
But nevertheless, they gave us the cook's tour of the underground.
We saw all kinds of modern electronic equipment like IBM 360 and 370 computers, which did not exist in 43, the hard disk drives, tape drives, large screen video displays, graphic displays.
Well, that was rather interesting because we watched this, and there were over several hours discussions about man and the moon, the Cold War, views of modern cities with their freeways and their incredible traffic jams.
But the thing that really got to us was one of the commercials in which they were saying, on your next vacation trip to Hawaii, why not fly with us on our 747 jet?
And then they show a picture of a 747 jet.
Well, to somebody in this era, that doesn't mean anything.
But to somebody from 1943, we look at this and say, what the hell is that?
That's a very good question, because while we were essentially responsible for that equipment, there were two other people that jumped off the ship and instantly disintegrated.
It depended on how thoroughly they were buried in the steel.
The two on the deck were face down and the body was virtually full length in the steel.
They didn't live more than two minutes.
Give that.
Jim, who had his head and shoulders out, lived a little longer.
I went over and tried to cry and went over and tried to comfort him.
Duncan took one look at this and everything else, and he headed for the rail.
The fields were still around the ship.
They still couldn't see the harbor.
He jumped overboard and wound up back in the future in 1982 or 83.
We don't know where, but back at Montauk.
And to make a long story short, he essentially died there, but before he did, they transferred his soul into another body because they had complete control over time and time communication.
They went back to father and says, get busy and make another son.
We can't allow him to die, and he is dying.
So Duncan was reborn into another body in 1951.
That's another little separate story in itself.
We've been able to prove this under hypnosis as to what exactly happened.
You know, Al, when I first heard this long ago, I thought it sounded loony, hokey, all of that.
But you know, in recent months, and I mean months, there's been talk of a soul catcher, which is virtually the ability to take the mind of a person and download it to another mind or another body.
And eventually, of course, full quarantine was applied to all of us.
Those who were insane went to the funny farms and essentially never came out alive.
They died there.
And others who were not ill were still under quarantine.
I was on quarantine, but not ill.
And eventually I got von Neumann, Dr. Van Neumann, to arrange a marriage ceremony for myself and my girlfriend, and the son was born on February of 44.
In any case, I remained with the Navy.
They decided after all of this, they didn't believe me.
And Van Neumann, of course, made the decision.
They say, well, what you say is very interesting, but I don't really believe it.
You're going to have to prove it.
I said, oh, just I'm going to do that.
He says, I'll build a time machine.
I said, it's hardly any different technology than what we've already been using.
What was different was that it was specifically tuned to send a person or an object through time, and how he calibrated it to come out in the right era, I don't know.
But it was von Neumann's design, and it was the first crude attempt at a true time machine, and it worked.
And after he had his proof, he abandoned that, and of course went on to the Los Alamos project, the bomb project, in October of 43, intermittently from that point on.
Well, when I first started presenting my story, and without some of the details I have now, back in 1989, there was a great deal of skepticism, though I did get press coverage in Phoenix, Arizona.
At that time, out of an audience of 200, about three people raised their hands.
I asked the question, how many have heard of the Philadelphia experiment?
About three people out of an audience of 200 or 300 have not heard about it.
There's been a mass education process that's gone on for years, and today there is little skepticism except for some of the details.
At that time, many people were skeptical of the entire project.
And for that matter, I might say in the scientific community, I still have a number of detractors who don't believe it, or at least that's their official line.
Given the details, and you've given us a lot of very serious details this morning, could somebody with enough money and interest in doing it build a time machine?
Actually, the approach to building a time machine is much simpler than most people think.
The Germans did it in 1943-44.
We have done it somewhat accidentally, but with deliberate design after the war was over, when we inherited all of the German research, papers, material, and scientists who went to work at Brookhaven National Laboratories in 1947 to replicate a lot of the work that was done in Germany.
But to continue with my story, in July of 1944, Von Neumann asked the Navy if I could be transferred up there to work with him on the bomb project at Los Alamos.
The Navy was happy to do it.
So in July of 1944, I was there until July of 1947, actually July 4th of 1947.
And during that time, I wrote technical reports, gave what assistance I could.
And eventually, when the war ended, the Navy, as the last assignment I had up there, asked me to write a technical classified report of the history and development of the atomic bomb and gave me full authorized access to the Black Vault, as they called it, which was where they kept all of the most secret projects that they wanted to bury from the eyes of anyone else in the United States, because very few people knew until the war was over that Los Alamos existed, much less Manhattan Engineering Project, etc.
I had access to that vault, and I started to write my report.
And then I started to discover a few things which bothered me.
First of all, I found out that the real history of the atomic bomb goes back much further than the 30s and the theoretical research in the 30s and the 40s.
I got a little upset about that, but that didn't really bother anybody.
Then I ran across another project which I blew my cork over, and that was the discovery of a project which was more secret than the atomic bomb, and that is Operation Southern Cross.
First of all, I had had an ongoing, I'm not going to name names on the air because it's not going to be a public condemnation of anyone.
I will face these people privately, and I don't know who did me in and why.
I had an ongoing discussion with a physicist who was transferred up there after the war ended.
And at first it was friendly, then it became acrimonious, and eventually he considered me a threat to his career.
But when I brought up the Operation Southern Cross, and the details of that are rather interesting, this is the first time I've talked publicly about it at all.
In fact, I only learned about it in detail about two, three weeks ago.
It involved rediscovery of what was going on in the Bermuda Triangle.
At the bottom of the ocean there in that area, there was a clump of specially built Atlantean crystal formation.
It goes back to Atlantis.
And when the ship sits over it, standard ship of any kind, and is excited with the appropriate RF and magnetic frequencies of energy coming from that ship, it is transported through time.
They found out how to control it.
I do not know how or exactly when, but that became a means for time travel using a naval ship or a commercial ship.
And the other thing, Al, that will stand here up on the back of necks is that the entire description you've given us of how this was done, the electric, magnetic, gravitic, and RF fields, all of that technology, Al, is damn close to the technology that Bob Lazar and a lot of other people have described as propulsion systems in extraterrestrial craft.
And I was removed on July 4th, 47, from a picnic in front of my family.
I was sent to Washington expecting a court-martial.
That was never concurred.
I was then shipped to Fort Hero, which is on the eastern point of Long Island, the exact physical location of the current Montauk project, which is still operational.
And I was time transferred to 1983, whereupon Tierfell von Neumann, who at that point was only a consultant, said, I don't like what they're going to do to you, but they're going to totally strip you of your memory as Edward Cameron, and they're going to age regress you and dump you back in another family in the past and hope you never remember any part of it.
So they couldn't kill me because of my involvement in the time loop problems, along with the same story as true for Duncan.
And it turns out it's also true for Preston Nichols and some other people.
If you've been heavily involved in time travel and time loops, you have to be kept alive until you're past the time period where you were involved, or at least past the 20-year limit after the Philadelphia experiment, which means August 12th, 2003.
What happens is they put me back in this other family.
I grew up with Al Belick, knowing nothing whatever about my real past.
The earliest memory was in 1927 at a Christmas party my parents, the Belicks, were throwing, whom I assumed were my parents, for a lot of relatives and such.
I remember that.
There's a lot of detail I can't go into now, but during the 50s, the 60s, and the 70s, I had a passionate interest in the Philadelphia experiment, not knowing why.
I worked with Ivan Sanderson when he was alive on this project.
He couldn't dig any info out.
And even though he was a naval officer from the British Intelligence Service, they wouldn't tell him any more than anyone else.
But in any case, eventually, January 1988, watching the movie The Philadelphia Experiment late one Saturday night, it all came flooding off.
You see, you have to look at not the time span we were jumping through, but the actual amount of time which was involved in the local area of that ship.
His concern was that the hyperspace bubble, which was generated by the interaction between the two systems, Montauk and the Philadelphia experiment, would continue to expand, and he was afraid that it might eventually engulf the Earth.
In which case, the Earth would be dumped into hyperspace.
I was kind of wondering, now, I know this is kind of a hard question to ask, but how do you really know where or what time you arrived at when you arrived at that time?
Let's say, okay, I live on the country, and I'm standing there doing my yard work or something.
Is it possible that somebody, oh, I don't know, somewhere in his own backyard, got a time machine come maybe all of a sudden just bouncing in your backyard?
And they didn't completely materialize, but they sort of slipped through.
You saw them slipping through if you were fortunate enough to be looking at the right direction at the right time.
Because I'm sure this has happened where people never saw it.
But one of the problems is you cannot have universal, rampant, uncontrolled time travel because you can cause severe disruptions in the fabric of time itself.
And that is one of the problems that occurred due to the lockup of the two experiments in 43 and 83.
Caused a rupture in space-time, which literally allowed very large numbers of aliens and alien ships to come through starting in 1943.
This gave rise to the problem of the alien bases in 45, 46 in the Pacific, the problems that occurred from 1947 onward, like the Roswell 47 and 49, White Sands in 48, the overflight of the White House in 52, and of course the massive sightings that have occurred for years ever since.
There have been, and from my research, there have been UFOs and ETs on this planet for thousands of years, but in small numbers.
With this rupture of space-time, it'll gave a doorway, shall we say, to large ships with large numbers of personnel to come through.
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