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Feb. 12, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - David John Oates - Reverse Speech
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From the Kingdom of Nye, across the country, around the world, and throughout the universe, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the CBC Radio Network.
art bell
With regard to Iraq, somebody sent me something a little earlier today that I thought was rather catchy.
And I would like to try and play it for you.
Let's see if this works.
unidentified
We should kill him.
Would be thrilling.
Just to kill him.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head.
Let's beat the grab out of Saddam.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head.
And bomb a racket to the ground.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head.
Let's beat the grabbing of Sudan.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head.
And fall the racket to the ground.
Just ruin for you and me.
Jump through USA.
Now if he does attack, we're gonna drop a stack of missiles on his rack and get him off the back.
And if he won't let us look for all his earth gas, the US Army is gonna kick him in the ass.
We should destroy, should destroy that Iraqi boy.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head.
Let's beat the grabbed up Saddam.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head and bomb Iraq to the ground.
Let's hunt him down and shoot him in the head.
Let's beat the gravity upside down.
art bell
That comes to us from an anonymous source over the internet.
That was a WAV file, and it was sort of catchy.
I really couldn't resist playing that for you.
The Mars lander is to carry a microphone in 1999.
People on Earth will have the opportunity for the first time ever to listen for life on Mars, as well as look for it, when NASA launches its next mission to Mars in January of 99.
The Mars Polar Lander will have aboard a microphone to hear wind dust and electrical discharges and any other movement.
Any other movement.
One way or another, the microphone may prove the next best thing to actually being there.
And one has to wonder what the first sounds from Mars will be.
I just got a facts from Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center says, Art, I was intrigued to hear tonight that NASA is considering putting a mic on the next probe to Mars.
However, we may already have heard from Mars by radio.
I attached the following article, August 28th, 1924, issue of the New York Times.
That long ago.
The development of a photographic film record of radio signals during a period of about 29 hours while Mars was closest to the Earth has deepened the mystery of the dots and dashes reportedly heard at the same time by widely separated operators of powerful stations.
C. Francis Jenkins of Washington, inventor of the device, which he calls the radio photo message continuous transmission machine, was induced by Dr. David Todd, Professor Emeritus of Astronomy of Amherst, and the organizer of the International Listening In for Signals from Mars to take the record.
This film, 30 feet long and 6 inches wide, discloses in black on white a fairly get-this regular arrangement of dots and dashes along one side, but on the other side, almost evenly spaced intervals are curiously jumbled in groups, each taking the form of a brace yourself crudely drawn face.
Says Mr. Jenkins.
I don't think the results have anything to do with Mars.
Quite likely the sounds recorded are the result of heterodyning or interfering radio signals.
The film, though, shows a repetition of intervals at about a half hour of what does appear to be a man's face.
He said, it's a freak.
We cannot explain it.
All right.
David John Oates.
David Oates.
David Oates is a very interesting person.
He is Australian originally.
David has himself a speech impediment, which you will hear.
He stutters a little bit.
And that led him into a study of something called reverse speech.
And rather than explain that myself, I would much prefer to allow David to tell us the short 101 of what is reverse speech.
David?
david john oates
Hi, how are you?
art bell
I'm very well.
david john oates
Good.
All right.
Reverse speech 101.
Well, the basic theory I'm pursuing is that the process of language is twofold.
As the human brain is constructing the sounds of speech, it's putting those sounds together in such a way that we are delivering two messages at the same time.
The first message is forwards, which is obviously how I'm talking to you now, and that is how we hear everyone talk in normal, everyday conversation, and that is coming from the conscious mind.
We are consciously choosing what we say when we speak.
art bell
Does that mean like left or right brain, David?
david john oates
That means according to my theory, forward speech is coming from the left brain hemisphere.
The actual words that we use are constructed by the left brain.
Linguists will tell you that the emotional expressions in speech come from the right brain.
Now, I claim that the emotional expressions in speech that are coming from the right brain are constructed and put together in such a way that they're actually creating a separate communication backwards.
And quite literally, your speech is recorded and played in reverse once every 10 seconds or so.
You can hear these very clear phrases, some of them as clear as I'm talking to you now, that is coming from the unconscious mind.
So forward speech is left brain and conscious, reverse speech is right brain and conscious.
art bell
And it's emotional.
It's usually emotional.
david john oates
Oh, yes.
art bell
And you don't have any control over it either.
david john oates
No, you have no control over it.
Well, you have no control over the content of it.
You can actually control the frequency of it.
It's interesting to note that the more left brain one becomes in their speech, the more they can drop out any emotional content at all, the reversals drop off fairly substantially to, you know, where on average they're once every 10 seconds, they'll drop down to maybe once every 45 or 60 seconds.
art bell
So reverse speech is like a gigantic mgungus truth-teller?
david john oates
Yes, yes, yes, that is exactly how I would explain it.
On one level, you know, you get down to the deeper levels, which I really don't get into the air much, where it gets into the unconscious mind and metaphors and archetypes, but that's too complex for what we're going to do.
art bell
It is, and what we like is what we can hear, since we don't understand the rest of reverse speech.
However, I would like to say this to you.
I had a call the other night during, I don't know, one of the shows I was doing.
And somebody said, oh, he tells you what is going to be said every time, so of course you hear it.
You could do that with any jumble.
And I naturally jumped up and defended you and said, that's bull.
We've put jumble on the air before, and you can't understand a word of it.
david john oates
Right.
Well, you know, I've done that many, many times on the air.
If it's not there, you can't hear it.
You know, I've done control phrases where I played a reversal and told you to hear something different than what is there.
art bell
And you can't hear it.
That's right.
david john oates
And I played gibberish as well that has nothing and said, this is what it says, and you can't hear it.
The reason why I tell people up front on the air, well, it's really primarily a time factor.
We've got so many reversals to get through.
Reversals have a very unique sound to them.
They have this melodious sing-song, ethereal type tone.
And when we start playing, I want the listeners to particularly notice its very unique sound.
And it's like trying to learn anything new.
It takes a while for the ears to adjust to it.
If anyone's ever walked into a ham radio shack for the first time and hears this single sideband signals, it's very difficult for the newcomer to decipher them.
And so that's how I defend what I do.
In my training classes when I'm teaching students, it takes a good six months for the new student to tune their ears to hear them without being prompted beforehand.
art bell
And there are two things here that you should know.
One, David's reverse speech is actually officially recognized by the government as a legitimate career field, right?
david john oates
That is correct.
We have our own occupational codes by the Department of Labor.
We got them about a year ago now.
Also, my training school is now officially recognized by the state of California, which is where I live as a post-secondary educational institution.
unidentified
Wow.
art bell
Wow.
And plus, folks, he's been suggested to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his work.
Now, that should add a little upfront understanding to how serious this really is.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
I think people get this impression that we're this backyard pseudoscience.
And, you know, maybe many years ago we were, but, you know, it's like any new field.
It takes a while to get accepted.
And the process of acceptance is accelerating very, very rapidly.
You know, when I first went public with this, there was a lot of skepticism around whether these are actually there and the standard thing he's suggesting, it's imagination.
Interestingly enough, most of that skepticism over whether it exists has faded now, at least with the areas where I'm very well known, and the questioning and now over, well, what does it mean?
Sure, we can hear these phrases, but does it really mean what David says it means?
And, you know, I mean, it's just the ongoing evolution of any new field.
There'll be questions and answers, and we'll just keep on researching.
I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I've got 14 years up on anyone else.
art bell
That's it.
All right.
Now, the obligatory, and we do this at the beginning of every show, and take some of the old originals, just a few, to give everybody an idea.
And we have a lot of new listeners, of course, all over the place in Canada and all over.
And they've never heard any reverse speech, so we give them the first several classics just to get your ear sort of tuned and ready for what you're going to hear.
david john oates
Okay, well, the very first one I'll play, the very first one I nearly always play, is also the very first reversal I ever found in normal human speech.
And this is Neil Armstrong taking his famous first steps under the lunar surface.
Here it is forward.
unidentified
That's one small step for man.
One stamp leap for man.
david john oates
And you run that in reverse, and he says backwards, man will spacewalk.
I'm going to run it about three different speeds for you.
unidentified
To my animal, spacewalk.
And again, and once more.
art bell
And anybody who can't hear man will spacewalk doesn't have ears.
david john oates
No, that is so clear.
And it was very interesting the way I found that.
I was just actually running a whole compilation of famous radio broadcasts backwards, and suddenly heard this very clear phrase.
Actually, the very first two words I heard were spacewalk.
I didn't hear the man will until I went over it a few times, and I had no idea what was on the forward dialogue and suddenly reverse this track to hear Neil Armstrong walking on the moon.
And I'm going, what on earth is that?
art bell
Yep, let me do this at the beginning, too.
Anybody out there with a tape recorder or with a computer can take these same sound clips and reverse them at normal speed and hear exactly what's being played for you on the air tonight.
End of story.
If you Don't believe it.
Try it for yourself, right?
david john oates
Oh, sure.
Anyone can try it.
And you'll get the same thing.
You know, it was amazing.
I was on San Diego News this morning talking about all of this, and they took some emails in, and we got an email in from an audio engineer who said, Well, you know, this stuff is very easy to fake.
You can just tweak the sound and, you know, cut and paste words here and there.
art bell
Look, I warranty that's not going on.
I've reversed myself.
I know.
unidentified
I know.
art bell
It's the exact thing.
And anybody who doesn't believe it ought to shut their mouth, save their email and or fax paper for me, and just try it before you open your mouth.
Oh, yeah.
david john oates
I can assure you, these are straight backwards.
I've not touched the tracks at all.
If I was to do that, I would have been rejected as a fraud ages ago.
You know, you cannot say this is David Oates faking the tracks.
That's what's happening.
art bell
That's right.
david john oates
I can assure you of that.
art bell
All right.
Now there is the world of babies.
And this one, folks, will blow you away because David maintains and will now prove that children, before they can speak forward, when they still are just doing baby talk, whatever babies do, actually produce reverse speech.
In other words, they have learned in their right brain before they've learned in their left brain to say it forward.
And we can prove that, and he'll prove it to you right now.
david john oates
Okay, well, the first one I'll play is my daughter at 10 months of age.
She's in the bathtub.
She's trying to pick up a cup.
She can't pick it up, so she reaches out to me for help.
We'll run it forwards first.
art bell
Right.
Total baby gibberish.
david john oates
Absolutely.
We run it backwards and we hear three clear words.
There is also a faint word as well.
The three clear words are David, which is obviously my name, followed by help me.
And if you listen very hard, there's a very quick please just before the help me.
So it's actually David, please help me.
But the clear words are David, help me.
And here it is.
unidentified
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
david john oates
I mean, just.
art bell
I will forever tell you, she is saying, David, help me, David.
Oh, okay.
david john oates
Well, let's run that again one more time.
art bell
Yeah, and listen to the ethereal sound here.
It's sort of as though it's coming from the ether, which I believe it is.
david john oates
Yeah, it's such a classic sound.
unidentified
Yep.
art bell
As a matter of fact, I hear David, please help me, David.
david john oates
Right.
I can certainly hear the please that David's got me thrown.
Let's just do it one more time.
unidentified
All right.
david john oates
Oh, yeah, right at the very end.
art bell
At the very end, David.
Very end.
david john oates
Yeah, well, I'm listening for the obvious words, you know.
art bell
All right, the other one I love so much is the one where you've got the microphone right in your child's face.
david john oates
I've got that taught up right now.
I'm chasing around the room with the tape player.
you suddenly see this tape player and reaches out for it.
art bell
Now, bear in mind, everybody, this is a child with a tape player right in front of its face.
Now, what is a child with something new in front of it likely to say?
Here you go.
david john oates
Okay, wait, yeah.
Well, let's just play it.
See if people can hear it.
unidentified
Help me!
Help me!
david john oates
And for those who missed it, it says, what's that?
art bell
Yeah, what's that?
Give it to me at regular speed again.
unidentified
Okay.
david john oates
And listen, let me do something interesting just to illustrate a point here.
I'm going to run it forwards and backwards.
and I want you to note at the forward she says, aga, a definite G, but when you reverse it, where's the G gone?
When you're looking into a...
But it doesn't work that way.
We're reversing sounds, not words.
And it's a whole different world backwards.
Let's run that forwards.
Notice the G forwards, no G backwards.
Backwards.
art bell
What's speech?
Clear as can be.
What's that?
david john oates
Quite amazing.
And let's look at some other oddities of reverse speech.
One of my favourite soundtracks nowadays is a fire tape.
We had a house fire back in April of last year.
And this actually is a classic illustration of the high emotional aspects of reverse speech.
And I'm in my office.
I'm recording a session with a client.
My secretary runs in the room and says, David, the house is on fire.
This is the class, it is.
unidentified
This is what?
David!
Yes?
The house is on fire!
What?
The house is on fire!
david john oates
Okay, obviously highly emotional.
art bell
Yes.
david john oates
And she's obviously telling the truth, because in reverse, it says practically the same thing.
The house is on fire.
Our house is on fire.
And again.
art bell
That, to me, is impossible.
I understand that it is what it is, David, but how can the same thing be said in reverse as is said forward?
It has to reach some sort of emotional pitch that you can barely imagine for that to occur, I guess.
david john oates
That's the point I'm making.
It's high emotion.
art bell
All right.
Now, folks, you've heard what reverse speech is.
When we come back, we're going to begin to examine things you have not heard before, or if you have very rarely.
The world of reverse speech with David John Oates.
I'm Art Bell.
unidentified
I'm Art Bell.
And now, back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell
Hey, check out what somebody sent me.
They sent me a computer file of this.
Talk about ratcheting up old memories.
There it is.
That's one of the old WABC.
I hope they're listening back there because I want the full set of WABC IDs.
Remember the ones?
Now, I, as a practice, don't sing on this program, but the ones that went 77, WABC.
Remember that?
And then there's one other.
This ought to jog some memories in the Middle West.
unidentified
Music Radio WLS Chicago.
art bell
You know, I have really got to...
All right, back to David John Oates.
David, welcome back.
david john oates
Hi, hi.
I thought we might move on straight on to the Clinton sex scandal stuff, if that's okay with you, unless you've got anything else you'd rather move to further.
art bell
No, no, no, no, no.
Sex scandals, sex scandals.
david john oates
Everyone likes sex scandals, don't they?
unidentified
Yes.
david john oates
Let's look at a couple of verses on Hillary to start off with.
This is her famous interview on The Today Show where she made her comment about a right-wing conspiracy.
And here she is talking about some of the accusations that her and Bill have received over the years.
unidentified
You know, initially, when this first started and I would be accused of something, or my husband would be accused of something, I would be really upset.
david john oates
And just to satisfy some of the people out there who don't want me to prompt beforehand, I'm not going to do this very many times during the program, but I will with this one.
This is such a clear reversal.
I want you to play this art and see if you can hear one or two key words in this, okay?
art bell
Yeah, far away.
david john oates
Here we go.
unidentified
Evil lips are hammering it.
david john oates
have you got there?
art bell
Something hammering it.
david john oates
Exactly correct.
It says, evil lips are hammering it.
So she actually believes her statement about right-wing conspiracy.
art bell
Evil lips are hammering it.
Let's hear it again.
david john oates
Let's run it again.
unidentified
Evil lips are hammering it.
art bell
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Evil lips are hammering it.
art bell
Evil lips are hammering it.
david john oates
So there you go.
No prompting.
And you heard it.
art bell
Yeah, but let's think about what it says for a second.
Evil lips are hammering it.
Now, hammering it, that might indicate that she's, in effect, validating that there's something there and it's getting hammered and hammered and hammered.
That's the way I would interpret that.
david john oates
Oh, that's the way I would interpret it, too.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's being hammered home.
I don't think she's denying the reversal doesn't deny that these accusations are real, but it's also saying people out there are picking this stuff up and running with it.
art bell
You know, it's my view that if all of this is true, I think that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have an understanding.
david john oates
Oh, well, I think that's probably so, too.
And put it back, there's a couple of reversals that indicate that.
Let's look at just one of them.
It's a little bit down in clarity, but I wasn't going to play it, but it just illustrates the point you just made.
unidentified
There isn't any fire.
Because think of what we've been through for the last six years, and think of everything we've been accused of.
And, you know, initially, when this first started, and I would be accused of something, or my husband would be accused of something.
david john oates
And that would she says, if you wreck, forgive it.
In other words, if you mess up, if you cause a problem, you know, I'll forgive this.
unidentified
Yes, you're wrecked, but you say.
Yes, you're wrecked.
david john oates
Okay?
art bell
Yep.
It sounds to me like if you wreck, I forgive you.
david john oates
Yeah, exactly right.
unidentified
Yes, you're wreck, but you say.
art bell
Yep.
unidentified
Yes, you're wrecked.
Yes, you're wrecked.
art bell
Yeah, there you are.
david john oates
Yeah, so there is some understanding, I think.
But also, too, a part of her doesn't like it as well.
And this one here actually caused me, this one touched my heart when I heard it.
She's asked about, Bill Clinton made a statement in the 9260 Minutes interview that he has caused pain to the marriage.
And Hillary's being asked to comment on that again.
unidentified
If he were to be asked today, Mrs. Clinton, do you think he would admit that he again has caused pain in this marriage?
No, absolutely not.
And he shouldn't.
You know, we've been married for 22 years, Matt.
And I have learned a long time ago that the only people who count in any marriage are the two that are in it.
david john oates
And she sounds quite confident for it, but in the reverse, you can actually hear some emotional pain there, Matt, where she says, I am so used.
And you can hear the pain in her voice.
unidentified
I am sure used.
art bell
Wow.
unidentified
I am sure used.
I am sure used.
Okay.
art bell
I am so, boy, you sure can.
david john oates
Yeah, John, here, let's run that one more time.
unidentified
I am sure used.
art bell
God, you can hear that so clearly.
david john oates
Yeah, I know.
My heart wrenched out when I heard that one.
A lot of people ask me to play Hero to present the other side of the story, so there we go.
art bell
You know, I have one more thing that I want to say.
And it is that, you know, I understand that they may have an understanding, which doesn't bother me.
david john oates
Right.
art bell
But the one I feel sorry for is Chelsea.
david john oates
Yeah.
art bell
I mean, she's such an innocent.
Here she is at college.
Man, it must be rough every day at school.
unidentified
Yeah.
david john oates
You know, I actually found a reverse one, Bill, that I don't have to play tonight about Chelsea.
Something about, gee, I think the reversal was Chelsea's pain, but it wasn't clear enough to play on the air, so I didn't dump it.
So there you go.
There you have, Hilary.
Let's move on to, well, first of all, let's move on to the, I will, This is him commenting on the whole affair right when the whole thing broke.
This was three weeks ago, now a press conference he gave.
He's trying to avoid the issue.
He says, you have all got the statement that speaks for itself.
unidentified
I'm not going to parse the statement.
You all got the statement I made earlier, and it speaks for itself.
david john oates
And backwards, he says, damn him, this is ugly and a mess.
unidentified
Damn it, miss, it's that week and that miss.
Damn, and miss, it's that week and then miss.
And again, the real thoughts of a press secretary.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
It's like, oh my gosh, here we go again almost, you know.
And now a week later, he's had a chance to recover from this a little bit, and he's talking to us about some of the strategies the lawyers are making.
unidentified
The president is doing anything in particular behind the scenes, but the lawyers are working to assemble the material that has to be assembled in response to the Office of Independent Counsel.
david john oates
That's why he says, we will solve the mess, and they will get her.
And notice the emphasis on the word solve.
He's deadly serious.
art bell
Well, wait a minute.
We will solve the mess and what?
david john oates
And they will get her.
In other words, they're after Monica.
Okay?
art bell
Yep.
david john oates
Okay, so here we go.
Notice the word solve.
He's really emphasizing this.
unidentified
We're thrilled between Sana'a Hidden Broskisser.
We're thrilled between Sinai, Bruce Kisser.
We're thrilled between us and I had Broskisser.
david john oates
And he says, we'll solve, not we will solve.
Which brings up an interesting point.
Someone actually rang the office today and asked me to talk about on the air reversal checkpoints.
I actually have very strict research protocols that we follow through before I will quote any reversal.
And one is the syllable count must be correct.
In other words, that says we'll solve, which is one syllable as opposed to we will solve.
I'm looking for spacings at the beginnings, at the spacings between each word.
So reversals tend to have a definite space out of the gibberish.
I'm watching out for the beginnings of endings of words, the consonant vowel sounds.
And I'm also looking for that continuous, melodious tonal flow that is characteristic for all reversals.
So that's just part of the research protocols we follow.
There's several others, but I just wanted to get that one out.
art bell
All right.
The more of that you do, the better off you are, because a lot of people are trying to reach some kind of understanding about reverse speech, and this really explains it.
david john oates
Right.
Yeah, you know, of course, part of the criticism, too, is imagination.
And unless these protocols are followed, you've really, for the new researchers, there is a tendency to want to hear what you want to hear.
art bell
Well, that's where I was going.
And I think I asked you this last time you were on, but if I were to take a long presidential speech and I were to sit down with an agenda and I wanted to make the president look good and I wanted to spin this thing in reverse so he sounded great, could I do it?
david john oates
If you're following the research protocols, I really don't think you can.
I mean, you're looking for what is there.
And I document what is there.
I've gone into tapes with the one thought in, I mean, you know, because I'm human, I have my own biases, you know, and I've gone into tapes with thinking one thing to find something completely different.
That's happened to me on more than one occasion.
Not so with the Clinton sex tapes.
I must admit I went in with one thought and it was validated.
art bell
Same thing everybody else is thinking.
david john oates
Yeah.
But yeah, actually when we came to the Zahi Hawash reversals later on the evening, I've had so many phone calls about this.
People are very anxious to hear this.
And I've been told about NASA and CIA.
NASA's involved and the CIA and a whole bunch of other stuff.
And I was looking for that in his reversals and found no reference to NASA, no reference to CIA, and I was trying to find it.
So there's one where I was looking for something and could not find it.
art bell
Good.
david john oates
Sorry?
art bell
Good, I said.
david john oates
Yeah.
art bell
That's good.
david john oates
So we'll get on to that when we get to Zahi Hawas.
art bell
All right, what about the president himself?
unidentified
Okay.
david john oates
Well, the first reverse I'm going to play is right off the top.
It's a pretty rough one to start off with, and I've actually got an appropriate word bleeped out on this.
art bell
Oh, you do?
david john oates
Yes, I do.
art bell
Our president speaks in that sort of language in reverse.
david john oates
Horrifying, isn't it, Art?
Here he is.
This is about a minute before his official emphatic denial where he was pounding the podium.
You know, I did not do this.
And interestingly enough, on that actual section, even though it was highly emotional, I found no reversals that I could quote.
There is one up on my site, but I wouldn't want to play it on the air.
Incidentally, my site address, for those who want to go there, all these reversals are up there, is www.reverspeech.com.
art bell
Which also is available through my website as a link right now.
david john oates
Right.
art bell
As it always is.
david john oates
Yeah, there's a link from your site.
So here we have a reversal with a very appropriate word bleeped out.
This occurred a minute before his emphatic denial.
unidentified
Thank you, Bill White.
I'll talk more about your contribution in a moment, but it is truly remarkable.
And I thank Frand and Deborah Bass for giving us a living reading example.
david john oates
And this is actually a very denigrating reversal, quite frankly.
I think his whole sex scandal is on his mind.
He's thinking about it and backwards.
He says here, the mama in the sheet, blank her.
And the blank, well, it's the standard.
art bell
We understand.
unidentified
Yep.
david john oates
Okay, so here we go.
Making sure I've got the edited version up.
Yes, I do.
Oh, well, I messed up the other day.
unidentified
I actually played it on the air.
david john oates
Okay, so here we go.
unidentified
A mama in a sheet for drinks.
A mama in a sheet for a sheet for.
david john oates
Okay.
unidentified
Oh, my, my, my.
art bell
You know what?
The bleep almost didn't quite cover.
I mean, it covered enough of it legally, thank you.
But I heard it, David.
I heard it.
david john oates
Oh, a very, very clear reversal.
Here we have another one.
This is a mystery.
I always like to put a couple of mysteries out every now and then on your program.
If anyone has the answer to this reversal, please fax me.
Now, don't call my main hotline number.
Fax me.
My fax number is 760-732-0229.
760-732-0229.
art bell
Everybody fax David.
david john oates
Okay.
Now, here he is saying he can't talk about this because of the judge's order.
unidentified
I think it will become apparent as this case plays itself out that I did, in fact, do that.
But I am not going to discuss that.
The judge has given us strict orders not to discuss anything related to that case.
david john oates
Now, backwards, he says, had sex with the Norgon madam.
Now, I don't know what Norgon is.
That's my big question.
I've had this version on my site for a while.
art bell
Give me with that again.
Had sex with the Norgon.
david john oates
Or it could be Oregon.
Someone says Oregon, but I'm hearing Norgon.
N-O-R-G-O-N.
art bell
Well, let me hear it.
unidentified
Okay.
david john oates
And then we can talk a little bit more about it.
art bell
Right.
unidentified
That's actually an orgon, Maldam.
art bell
Wow.
unidentified
That's actually an orgon, Maldam.
david john oates
And again.
unidentified
That's accident, Maldam.
david john oates
I mean, very clear reversal.
art bell
It's very clear, all right.
Had said.
david john oates
You know, Norgon is the last name.
I did a search on the net for it.
There are several references to it as someone's last name.
I thought it might be a town in Arkansas or Washington or Washington, D.C. I couldn't find any references for it.
If there's some astute private investigator out there, I would love for you to get a hold of this, and I would like to find out what this means.
The Madam reversal is fairly obvious there, too.
Okay, let's move on to a couple of others.
Here we have a very key reversal.
It gets into his emotional state right when this controversy first broke.
unidentified
There is no improper relationship, and I intend to cooperate with this inquiry.
But that is not true.
david john oates
And once again, we can hear his emotional state in this.
He says backwards, I see that we're broken.
And you can actually hear his voice crack on the word broken.
unidentified
I see that we are broken.
I say that we are broken.
I see that we are broken.
art bell
I see that we're broken.
We as in the administration, we as in Hillary and myself, we as in.
david john oates
All of the above.
Yeah, this is right when it first broke.
And if you actually watch the interview on the PBS, the Jim Lair show, you can actually see, I don't know whether he was prepared for the question, but his face was, but he really tightened up.
He looked horrified when he was first asked the question.
And he quickly recovered and then went into denying it.
art bell
Oh, he looked like he had just been caught with the stolen candy.
david john oates
Oh, it was such a classic expression.
He was horrified.
Okay, let's look at a couple other sex reversals.
Then we want to look at maybe where this is going.
art bell
Okay, oh, yes.
david john oates
Okay, here we have.
This is a present tense reversal.
There's been rumors of so many women.
I mean, what is there?
Five or six we know about now?
art bell
Maybe hundreds.
david john oates
Yeah, well.
art bell
Anyways, a few.
david john oates
Okay, so here we go.
He's still denying it.
I'm just setting this one up.
unidentified
Hardly anyone's ever been subject to the level of attack I have.
david john oates
This reversal is a present tense.
It says, now winning a lover, which makes me wonder he's wooing someone else in the scenes.
And there's actually your voice spoken over it, too, just quickly.
But now winning a lover.
No winning, it was.
unidentified
No winning, it was a winning.
art bell
Now winning a lover is exactly what I heard.
david john oates
Present tense.
Okay, this reversal is a little bit tough to hear.
art bell
It's called the Washington Lottery.
david john oates
The Washington Lottery?
art bell
Yes, that's right.
You win an intern.
david john oates
Oh, I see.
And then she gets paid $5 million, right?
art bell
Oh, you heard that, huh?
david john oates
Oh, yeah, I did.
I would love to do reversals on that one if she actually takes them up on that.
art bell
Me too.
david john oates
Penthouse material, I think.
Okay, the next reversal is penthouse material.
unidentified
It's very difficult, you know.
One of the things that people learn is you can charge people with all kinds of things.
It's almost impossible to prove your innocence.
david john oates
Okay, now listen carefully to this one.
It's a long reversal.
I've actually broken the reversal up.
I put a gap between a sentence just so it's easier to hear.
And in reverse, obvious reference to oral sex, he says, make her swallow.
You trash an easy roll.
But you're going to have to listen carefully, okay?
unidentified
Take a father.
Take her father.
Mr. Miss Roll.
art bell
I heard it.
Oh, God.
Oh, yeah.
I heard it.
david john oates
Okay, let's do it one more speech.
You know, I've got to tell you, I've been doing reversals in section work with my clients.
For those who don't know, I have a therapeutic practice that I still maintain, despite all the incredible pressures on my time.
I still manage to see my own clients occasionally.
And I've dealt with people with sexual issues before.
But I have not heard the level of this denigration.
There's an attitude here that I don't like, like the mummer in the sheet, the trash, make her swallow.
It concerns me.
It really does.
I don't know what else to say about it.
art bell
Except that I wonder if you were to get a look into the private sex lives of most Americans, you would find all kinds of little fetishes and personal preferences that, if exposed publicly like this, might tend to embarrass.
What do you think?
david john oates
Oh, yes, I think so, too.
art bell
Oh, I mean, there's feet, there's toes, there's, my God, it goes on and on.
We'll be back.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
Coast to Coast AM.
Thank you.
You're listening to a rebroadcast of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell
They're going to put a Mars microphone up there.
The next Mars lander is going to have a microphone on it, and just in case we should hear something semi-intelligible, one has to wonder if David John Oates could reverse it and make some sense out of it.
Try come out like we invade soon.
Something like that.
Ack, ack, act.
All right, David, welcome back.
david john oates
Hi, I'm here all waiting.
art bell
The wonderful wacky world of reverse speech.
david john oates
Reversing Martian sounds, hey, that'll be interesting, wouldn't it?
art bell
Yes.
david john oates
I found it very amusing that they landed right near Perrump, Nevada.
So I'm sure you've had many comments about that.
art bell
David, they destroyed Perrump.
david john oates
Oh, they did?
art bell
Yes.
david john oates
Oh, dear.
art bell
They destroyed Perump.
I mean, the bandstand they had set up and the whole thing in Pahrump was utterly destroyed by beams of horrible stuff.
Anyway, it's...
Yeah.
Anyway, here we are.
We are talking about the President's scandal.
President's sex life.
david john oates
Okay.
All right.
Well, let's move on a little bit.
I played a reversal when I was on your show a couple of weeks ago that caused significant controversy.
And I actually heard, I didn't hear the show, but I heard it was discussed on your show a couple of days after.
So let's.
This gets into what is he going to do about all of this to divert attention.
unidentified
Well, but of all the others, a lot of them were about serious matters.
They just faded away.
I'm not suggesting that they weren't...
I don't mean...
art bell
Boy, you can hear the dog wagging all the way there.
david john oates
Yeah, really.
And this reversal says, hell with the earth, see desert answers.
And see, a lot of people have suggested that what this literally means is that he, in order to avert attention from this whole thing, he's going to go into Iraq.
And people were saying this on the air based on this reversal before, and I emphasize before, the Iraqi situation really began to heat up again.
So here it is.
art bell
The hell with the earth.
david john oates
I'm sorry.
art bell
I'm sorry.
No, I'm sorry.
I never expect that second one.
The hell with the earth, the desert answers.
david john oates
Yep.
Quite amazing.
art bell
Hit it again.
Regular speed.
david john oates
Oh, regular speed.
Back we go.
And here we go.
unidentified
Yeah, we're going to have it together answers.
david john oates
It pretty well speaks for itself.
And then I found him on a press conference a week or so later, just as the Iraqi situation was beginning.
And actually, this reversal here is, I was listening to your song, you know, Let's Shoot Him in the Head.
And it reminded me of the reversal I'm about to play you.
Here we go with the forward.
unidentified
There is more agreement than at first it appears about the necessity to push this thing through to the end.
david john oates
Talking about Iraq, and backwards he says, let's shoot for the assassin.
unidentified
This shuff for the assassin.
Wow.
This shuff for the assassin.
david john oates
And again.
unidentified
This shufba the assassin.
art bell
Oh my, that's clear.
david john oates
Exceptionally clear reversal.
I guess he's talking about Saddam being the assassin.
I'm sure there'll be some other opinions as to what that is.
art bell
Actually, shoot him in the head.
david john oates
Actually, let's run that whole lot forwards and backwards again.
I think it's a very significant reversal.
I actually think he's going after Saddam himself.
unidentified
There is more agreement than at first it appears about the necessity to push this thing through to the end.
Okay.
This shuffle the assessment.
This shuffle the assessment.
This shuffle the assassin.
art bell
Oh, boy.
david john oates
I mean, there's no doubt over that one.
art bell
No, there's no doubt.
And everybody here should note that reversals, an extremely high percentage of the time, are congruent.
In other words, whatever is said in reverse, whether it reveals a lie or the truth, relates to the topic being discussed in forward language.
Right?
david john oates
Yeah, I was just about to make exactly the same comment that you did.
You've got to look at the contextual relationship here.
I mean, he didn't say, let's shoot the assassin.
Well, he's denying the Micah Lewinsky charges.
What do we get there?
We get, I had sex, you know, the mum are in the sheep.
And now we're looking at something different.
Okay, let's, you know, I've still got a few more on Clinton to get through.
Some of them are quite concerning.
Let's look at the State of the Union, first of all.
We'll start off with a fairly tame one.
He begins.
Interestingly enough, I found very few reversals on the State of the Union.
You know, he was an hour speech, and one would expect, I mean, even in a public broadcast, even if they're only occurring one per minute, one would expect that there'd be, you know, 60 reversals.
But there was only about 15 that I could find that I was confident with, which really surprised me.
art bell
Not me.
And the reason is that the state of the Union is actually pretty damn good.
And so Clinton could really, you know, he could be very confident in what he was saying with regard to the state of the Union.
It took him away from the Lewinsky thing for a little while.
And he was being basically congruent.
Yep.
Plus, it was a speech.
david john oates
Right.
Right.
Yeah, and all that is true.
I'm just making a comment, you know.
All right, so he begins off by talking about the deaths of Walter Capps and Sonny Bono.
unidentified
In the past few weeks, they've both been eulogized.
Tonight, I think we should begin by sending a message to their families and their friends that we celebrate their lives and give thanks for their service to our nation.
david john oates
And Backwards he says, now, friends, you're my friends.
unidentified
I are friends you'll after it.
I have friends here after it.
david john oates
And again, our friends will after it.
art bell
Now, wow, very clear, but what does it mean?
david john oates
Oh, I think he's just addressing the audience.
It's a nice reversal to warm everyone up.
He's addressing the families of these two people, watercapped Sonny Bono, and you're my friends now.
And Congress, you're my friends.
He's right in the middle of this sex scandal, remember, and I think he's just trying to create rapport and empathy as he begins.
And, you know, when I've done this, we'll look at a couple of reversals on the Sonny Bono funeral, too.
Really interesting reversals on that one.
Cher was in the genuine grief.
art bell
Of course.
david john oates
Okay, now, this reversal here I'm about to play you is a total about shift from Now Friends or My Friends.
This is a very concerning reversal.
It gets into the metaphoric stuff just to touch, but I apologize up front, but I think it's very significant.
art bell
All right, folks, metaphors are harder to understand.
david john oates
I understand that.
But this reversal chills me.
unidentified
Our leadership in the world is unrivaled.
Ladies and gentlemen, the state of our union is strong.
david john oates
Now, where he says our leadership in the world is unrivaled, backwards he says we'll vow the OW Nazi whirlwind.
art bell
Say that again.
david john oates
We'll vow Nazi whirlwind.
Now, Nazi is a word that is not common in reverse speech.
This is certainly the first time I've heard it on Clinton.
I presume it's a metaphor for aggression, single-mindedness, relentless.
Whirlwind is a common metaphor referring to force.
It's our force.
And this reversal worries me.
I mean, it really concerns me.
I don't know what it means, but I got chills when I heard it.
unidentified
All right.
"The Vowernot's eat for a winter." Ooh.
david john oates
"The Vowernot's eat for a winter." And again.
And see, I can't help but flash the Iraqi situation.
Is he going in?
Is this on his mind?
Are we going to go in with great aggression and force and mess up?
art bell
Well, I think we're going to go in.
Yeah, with great aggression and force.
david john oates
Yeah.
Well, anyway, I wanted to run that.
I'm sure some people will have some comments on that one.
And, okay, here we are talking about the...
unidentified
Rarely have Americans lived through so much change in so many ways in so short a time.
david john oates
Now, backwards, he says, some muscle fills the crime of the hill.
unidentified
Stelmore Sur fills in the crime of a hill.
Stelmore Sur fills in the crime of a hill.
And what's more, Stellmore Sur fills in the crime of a hill.
david john oates
Obviously talking about Capitol Hill, the crime, well, you know, it speaks for itself, I think.
Everything there is not as he would have us think it is, or, you know, whatever, and it's pretty strong.
Now, here he talks about the federal deficit being reduced to zero.
unidentified
Rarely have Americans lived through so much change in so many ways in so short a time.
david john oates
Nope, I'm sorry.
I just pulled up the same one again.
Okay, let's.
art bell
I was going to say premature reversal.
david john oates
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
unidentified
Six presidents have come before you to warn of the damage deficits posed to our nation.
Tonight I come before you to announce that the federal deficit, once so incomprehensibly large that it had 11 zeros, will be simply zero.
david john oates
And this one, he says, there's a federal effort to sign note.
Now, a note is a loan, I guess, a bank loan.
art bell
Oh, yes.
david john oates
I'm not too sure what this one means.
It makes me wonder whether is the zero deficit as zero as he would make us believe, or are they financing funds somewhere?
art bell
Let's hear it.
unidentified
What?
Wow.
This is a five-board up.
Let's fire a note.
art bell
Oh, that's so clear.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
You know, it makes me wonder whether the defit is as zero as he would have us believe it is.
I'm not sure.
unidentified
Five or doubts.
Let's assign note.
david john oates
Okay, there we go.
art bell
And again, I say to people, how could you get any more congruent than that?
Federal sign note?
david john oates
And you've actually got the word federal forwards and the word federal...
art bell
That's right.
david john oates
Let me run that forwards again.
Notice the word federal forwards.
unidentified
Six presidents have come before you to warn of the damage deficits pose to our nation.
Tonight I come before you to announce that the federal deficit, once so incomprehensibly large...
david john oates
Yeah, I won't pay the rest of it, but let's just do that.
art bell
There's no question about it.
That's amazing.
david john oates
It's reversal again.
I mean, you know, this is the thing that really convinced me about Reverse Speech when I first began, was this incredible contextual relationship.
And, you know, I'm probably as skeptical as most people.
It took me years.
art bell
After you've heard enough of this, David, you've almost got to be in criminal denial not to believe there's something to it.
david john oates
Oh, I absolutely agree.
I mean, and that's the point I came to.
How can I deny this anymore?
I mean, grammatically correct sentences, contextual added to the forward dialogue.
I mean, the odds of that are incalculable.
art bell
Very, very convincing.
You're going to be on television again soon, right?
david john oates
Yeah, we'll be back on the Herado show probably next week.
We've tended to set a date for the 18th.
Hopefully a little bit longer than the last.
art bell
Yeah, Herado.
You better give them some time this time.
david john oates
That would be nice.
I was flown out expecting to be on there for most of the show.
I've got this little snippet right at the back.
art bell
It's not fair, and it gives everybody an opportunity to say what a total freak that is after they hear one reversal, ha ha ha ha, bunch baloney.
david john oates
Yeah, well, you'll never convince anyone with one reversal.
I mean, that could be purely coincidence.
Let's look at one more reversal on the State of the Union.
This is a bit of a controversial reversal.
Well, I've already started now, so let's play it.
Sure.
Some people have disagreed with me with the interpretation on this and what it says.
But anyway, let's do it.
If you want to disagree with me, this is the one to do it on.
unidentified
An America that has continued to rise through every age, against every challenge, a people of great works and greater possibilities who have always, always found the wisdom and strength to come together as one nation.
david john oates
Now, I've got this as saying you might see a war, see a war.
But I've had a lot of people say it says see a wall, see a wall.
But I'm not hearing the L on the...
unidentified
Okay.
Would life see a wall?
See a wall?
Would life see a wall?
See a wall?
Would life see a wall?
See a wall.
art bell
Well, you know, it sounds like war, but only if one of the Kennedys was saying it.
david john oates
Oh, really?
art bell
It's kind of got that Bostonese accent to it, so I'm not sure.
david john oates
Yeah, well, I can't hear the L, and when I found it, it seemed fairly obvious to me what it was saying.
But then people point out, well, David, you're an Australian and you're here with Australian accents.
art bell
Yeah, what do you know?
david john oates
Really, I've only been doing this for 14 years.
I don't know much.
All right.
All right, we'll look at about a half a dozen more reversals on Clinton.
This is a speech he gave yesterday, I think it was.
Yeah, yesterday at the State Department about NATO.
Some very worrying reversals, to say the least.
I don't know whether this is related to NATO or whether the Iraqi situation is heavily on his mind and he's thinking about that one.
And I'm just, whoops, it wasn't in the subdirectory I thought it was.
art bell
These are being played, by the way, folks, directly from a laptop computer.
david john oates
Right, exactly correct.
Okay, here we go.
Right, this is the first one coming up.
And, you know, I'm not even familiar with this.
I can't even tell you what's going on because I've only ever listened to these once and dumped them down.
unidentified
This building has seen many negotiations and the signing of many pacts to end bloodshed.
david john oates
Okay, this is yesterday, remember.
Reversal says, bring in arson.
unidentified
Bring in arson.
Bring in arson.
david john oates
Or bring in arson.
unidentified
Bring in arson.
david john oates
Is that referring to Iraq or what?
art bell
I don't know, but it was very clear.
david john oates
Extremely clear.
art bell
We'll get a lot of interpretation from the audience.
david john oates
Oh, I'm sure you will.
And I've actually plainly, deliberately, just to let people call in with their own thoughts on it.
art bell
Or, better yet, to fax you directly, and your fax number is...
david john oates
That's my fax number.
Now, if you want the main office number to purchase equipment or books, we're selling a lot of equipment, of course, machines to do this.
That's 1-800-669-5789.
800-669-5789.
But that's for equipment purchase only.
Do not call into that number to tell us your thoughts on the reversals.
Okay.
We're going to run with all of these reversals on this thing.
These are really very puzzling to me.
unidentified
The second reason NATO must grow is that it will make Europe more stable.
NATO can do for Europe's East what it did for Europe's West after the Second World War.
david john oates
No, he's talking about making Europe stable, but backwards he says, worry, gamble with it.
unidentified
Gamble with it.
Gambl with it.
david john oates
Oops, the other one's.
art bell
Yeah, gamble with it is very, very clear.
david john oates
Oh, exceptionally clear.
And here it is again.
art bell
Yep, there you go.
david john oates
I mean, what's he gambling with?
art bell
Our lives?
david john oates
I think so too.
This reversal I'm about to play.
These reversals worry me tremendously.
art bell
Well, the whole incursion we're about to make worries me tremendously.
The president authorized the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Iraq, my God.
david john oates
Oh, did he really?
art bell
Yeah, he really did.
david john oates
Oh, geez, maybe that's what this reverse is referring to.
unidentified
Enlargement, therefore, will make all of Europe more stable.
Finally, NATO's growth will erase the artificial line in Europe drawn by Joseph Stalin.
david john oates
And backwards, he says, bury the law, gamble well-fed.
art bell
Go ahead.
david john oates
Okay.
unidentified
Read the lock and the world fed.
Uh-huh.
Read the lock and the world fed.
Read the lock and the world fed.
david john oates
Okay.
I don't like this, to say the least.
art bell
Believe me, I understand your feelings.
All right.
Hold on, David.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We're going to break here.
David John Oates, Mr. River Speech.
Keep listening.
If you're not a believer yet, you will be before this night ends from the high desert.
unidentified
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Okay, David?
david john oates
Yes, sir.
art bell
I have two reactions to what we've done with Clinton so far.
david john oates
Oh, I'd love to hear that.
art bell
One is, Art, I really think voice reversal is a useful tool, but when used with so much bias, I think you guys lose all your credibility.
How come no coverage on the new head of the Gestapo Ken Starr, Slick Willie Detractors?
Is this not America?
What about equal rights?
Tit for tat.
John, John, did you really mean tit-for-tat?
I guess you did.
So, you know, David, I think I also detect in your voice a bias against Clinton.
You don't like Clinton, huh?
david john oates
Well, interesting question.
You know, I did like Clinton when he first came into office, sure.
I supported him tremendously.
I had become to dislike him doing these reversals on him the last month.
art bell
Well, all right.
And here's the other side of it.
david john oates
I admit That.
art bell
The other side of it, Hi Art, listening to David Oates and the Clinton reversals, I am reminded once again of Mark Russell's observation: quote, if you have to make up things about this president, you're just not paying attention, end quote.
In this case, David Oates is not making anything up.
david john oates
Well, okay.
art bell
We are.
unidentified
Are you?
david john oates
Sorry?
art bell
You're not making stuff up, bro.
david john oates
Oh, no, of course not.
art bell
I mean, this is the president's voice.
david john oates
This is the president's voice.
I mean, you just have to run the tape backwards and forwards to hear this.
I mean, this is I'm finding reversals the way I find them every other time.
art bell
All right, well, the first facts are at a point.
I mean, have you done any on Ken Starr yet?
david john oates
I have.
You know what?
I did some on Ken Star and really couldn't find anything quotable.
I've got reversals on, I'm just trying to find the right now, on Paula Jones' attorney.
art bell
Oh, I'll tell you what to dig back and get.
Dig back and get his famous Kiss the Girls one.
david john oates
Oh, you want to hear that one?
art bell
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's absolutely so classic.
david john oates
And a quick dig for that one.
Yeah, I do have reversals on Paula Jones' attorney.
I have got reversals on Janet Reno that are quite supportive and positive.
Reversals on a couple of White House staff that are quite supportive and positive, too.
And they're all on my site.
So, okay, we're looking at the one you want, the fun girl to kiss, right?
art bell
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
david john oates
Okay, here we go.
And we're going to run that one now.
unidentified
President, the Senator mentioned trial lawyers and that means campaign financing.
How do you personally avoid being unduly influenced by people who give you money or give you services in your campaigns?
Well, I try to articulate my positions as clearly as possible.
Tell people what I stand for and let them decide whether they're going to support me or not.
david john oates
And the verse will actually occur on this section here.
I try to articulate my positions.
unidentified
Well, I try to articulate my positions as clearly as possible.
david john oates
And backwards, she's a fun girl to kiss.
unidentified
This is the farm delicious.
art bell
I said the mind of our president.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
Look, let's look at a couple of reversals on Clinton.
This is one where in an interview he did prior to his election bid, he's denying charges of moral dishonesty.
unidentified
There still has not been a single solitary shred of evidence of anything dishonest that I have done in my public life, not only as governor, or not only as governor and as president.
art bell
I wonder if that would be known now as an inoperative statement.
david john oates
Probably.
art bell
And backwards?
david john oates
Denied the habits, and I said, dang ya.
You can hear his southern drawl.
He's simply saying, you know, look, I've denied this over and over again.
Please just leave me alone.
unidentified
And then I'd say habits and I'll say dang ya.
And then I'd say harness and I'll say dang ya.
david john oates
And again.
art bell
I like it best at Briggers.
unidentified
You're listening to a rebroadcast of one of Art Bell's most popular programs.
Can you hear your phone number?
Please do not call.
Now...
From the Kingdom of Mind, or Ghost to Ghost AM with Art Bell.
Here again is Art.
art bell
Well, we're about to go back to David John Oates and the wonderful revealing world of reverse speech.
And I've got a couple of facts here that I think we'll nail it.
unidentified
Work.
art bell
We'll nail out.
Okay, David, I have two reactions to what we've done with Clinton so far.
david john oates
Oh, I'd like to hear that.
art bell
One is, Art, I really think voice reversal is a useful tool, but when used with so much bias, I think you guys lose all your credibility.
How come no coverage on the new head of the Gestapo Ken Starr, slick Willie detractors?
Is this not America?
What about equal rights?
Tit for tat.
John, John, did you really mean tit-for-tat?
I guess he did.
So, you know, David, I think I also detect in your voice a bias against Clinton.
You don't like Clinton, huh?
david john oates
Well, interesting question.
You know, I did like Clinton when he first came into office, sure.
I supported him tremendously.
I had become to dislike him doing these reversals on him the last month.
art bell
Well, all right, and here's the other side of it.
The other side of it.
Hi Art, listening to David Oates and the Clinton reversals, I am reminded once again of Mark Russell's observation, quote, if you have to make up things about this president, you're just not paying attention, end quote.
In this case, David Oates is not making anything up.
david john oates
Well, okay.
unidentified
Are you?
david john oates
Sorry?
art bell
You're not making stuff up, Bro.
david john oates
Oh, no, of course not.
art bell
I mean, this is the president's voice.
david john oates
This is the president's voice.
I mean, you just have to run the tape backwards and forwards to hear this.
I mean, this is, I'm finding reversals the way I find them every other time.
art bell
All right, well, First Facts are at a point.
I mean, have you done any on Ken Star yet?
david john oates
I have.
You know what?
I did some on Ken Star and really couldn't find anything quotable.
I've got reversals on, I'm just trying to find them right now, on Paula Jones' attorney.
art bell
Oh, I'll tell you what to dig back and get.
Dig back and get his famous Kiss the Girls one.
david john oates
Oh, you want to hear that one?
art bell
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's absolutely so classic.
david john oates
And a quick dig for that one.
Yeah, I do have reversals on Paula Jones' attorney.
I have got reversals on Janet Reno that are quite supportive and positive.
Reversals on a couple of White House staff that are quite supportive and positive, too.
So it's not, you know, so it's not, and they're all on my site.
So, okay, we're looking at the one you want, the fun girl to kiss, right?
art bell
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
david john oates
Okay, here we go.
And we're going to run that one now.
unidentified
President, Senator mentioned trial lawyers and campaign, that means campaign financing.
How do you personally avoid being unduly influenced by people who give you money or give you services in your campaigns?
Well, I try to articulate my positions as clearly as possible.
Tell people what I stand for and let them decide whether they're going to support me or not.
david john oates
And the verse will actually occur on this section here.
I try to articulate my positions.
unidentified
Well, I try to articulate my positions as clearly as possible.
david john oates
And backwards, she's a fun girl to kiss.
unidentified
Miss the fun belicus.
Miss the family kiss.
Oh, yes.
art bell
I said the mind of our president.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
Look, and let's look at a couple of reversals on Clinton.
This is one where in an interview he did prior to his election bid, he's denying charges of moral dishonesty.
unidentified
There still has not been a single solitary shred of evidence of anything dishonest that I have done in my public life, not only as governor, or not only as governor and as president.
art bell
I wonder if that would be known now as an inoperative statement.
david john oates
Probably.
art bell
And backwards?
david john oates
Denied the habits, and I said, dang you.
You can hear his southern drawl.
He's simply saying, you know, look, I've denied this over and over again.
Please just leave me alone.
unidentified
Right.
And then I say habits, and I'll say, dang it.
And then I say, habits, and I'll say, dang you.
david john oates
And again.
unidentified
And I say habits, and I'll say, dang you.
art bell
I like it best at regular speech.
Right.
david john oates
You know, if you go to my website, there's quite a lot of reversals of Clinton up there, and some of them are very supportive and quite wholesome.
You may recall, we analyzed his debate with Dole prior to his re-election, and he came off great then.
I mean, his reversals were strong, and Constantine.
art bell
Well, you know why that is?
It's because though he may have a libido that he cannot control.
david john oates
Right.
art bell
Basically, in most areas, he has not been a bad president.
He simply hasn't been a bad president.
I was all set out to hate him at the beginning and ended up not hating him.
david john oates
And I need to stress, I have praised Clinton in the past in some of my press, in some of my media analysis of his reversals.
I particularly recorded the presidential debate, but the last month I've been digging into the dirt because that's what's been on the media, and I present what I find.
art bell
I understand.
david john oates
I mean, I don't know how else to say that, you know.
art bell
Well, I think that what you have shown in reverse is that the sex thing happened, which is what we all knew anyway.
david john oates
Oh, sure.
Yep.
And I'm just presenting my findings.
art bell
All right, let's move away from Clinton.
Now, I had a young lady on my program.
I've got to get this in.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
I had a young lady on my program named Harlotte, who was a devil worshipper, no question about it.
Hell, Satan, the whole thing.
Interesting, I got a fact from her email rather yesterday, and she'd love to come back on the program.
This young lady I regarded as a true devil worshiper.
david john oates
Oh, some of her wrestles were really quite devastating.
art bell
So let's take the best of Harlet.
david john oates
Well, this is the one.
Well, there's one that I play right at the very end that really sent the chills down your spine, and she's talking about her son, and she performed a ritual over her son when he was born.
art bell
To ensure the devil he has gone.
david john oates
I'm sorry.
art bell
No, no, no, that's all right.
She was simply ensuring that he would be with her with the devil in hell.
david john oates
Exactly correct.
Here we go.
harlot the witch
To my mind, he has gone to hell.
Right?
david john oates
How can you say that?
art bell
Based on what?
harlot the witch
Based on the simple fact that when he was born, I performed a certain ritual.
david john oates
You know, this one still gives me, this still gives me the chills just playing it forwards.
and backwards she says, "I'll bless him with Satan." God.
art bell
Now, you see, that one, that one really screws with me.
I'll bless him with Satan.
You have got to be a king.
david john oates
I don't know how you can.
art bell
No, you can't.
There is no way to deny that.
david john oates
And of course, you had that really eerie photo on your webcam the night that we played these reversals.
Actually, right on that particular reversal I played then is where that ghostly image.
art bell
That ectoplasm appeared over my head.
It was so weird.
God, it was so weird.
david john oates
And that's still on your site, I believe.
art bell
I think the photo's still up there, yeah.
david john oates
Yeah, okay.
All right, we'll look at a couple of others.
I'm just here.
I haven't played these for a long time now.
I'm just trying to remember which were the best ones.
I'm just going down my list here.
She's talking, here she's talking about a birth mark that she has.
harlot the witch
And it bothered quite a few people.
That mark began to slowly disappear as I grow older.
david john oates
still have it but not in the fulfillment of that it was at birth and this pot is in a How it's out, we'll off get that array.
art bell
My God.
harlot the witch
How it's out, we'll off get that array.
david john oates
My God.
unidentified
How it saddles off, get that array.
art bell
My God, David.
She was assaulted, you know, as a child.
david john oates
Yeah.
art bell
She was molested.
Play it again, please, at regular speed.
david john oates
Okay, and here it is.
harlot the witch
How it's sad will off get that hurry.
unidentified
Oh.
david john oates
Yeah.
art bell
Oh.
david john oates
And one more time.
Gosh, I'm getting chills all down my spine again, doing this again.
harlot the witch
How it's saddle off, get that hurry.
david john oates
That was a very difficult broadcast for me to do, a very difficult reversal for me to find as well.
And I made a strong statement back then.
I'll make a strong statement here now.
You know, I don't pretend to endorse this at all.
I was just finding the reversals.
Here's one she had just after a Wiccan called in, I believe.
And I can't even remember the clarity on these, so I'm just sort of going down the transcript here because you're out at random.
unidentified
Well, I'm not talking about a church.
I'm a practicing Wiccan.
harlot the witch
Oh, goodness.
Would you please come visit me?
Can I give you my address?
I would like to see you, sir.
david john oates
Oops.
Okay, backwards she says, "Begin to serve my grief with defended warlock." Very quick.
art bell
Warlock is very clear.
david john oates
Yeah, the whole reverse is a little bit hard to hear, though.
Let me see, what else have we got here?
Oh, you know, here's one that some people disagree with me on.
But I remember this one, and this was quite clear.
This was a soft side of what I saw as the soft side of Harlot that she didn't want to portray.
art bell
The soft side.
harlot the witch
That's not the grand scheme of things.
God needs an opposer.
God needs it, or he would have never existed to begin with.
david john oates
And backwards, she says, mend little wee heart within.
harlot the witch
Friend of the wee heart, the skin.
Friend of the week heart of the skin.
unidentified
Friend of the wee heart of the scene.
art bell
Oh, those are too clear.
david john oates
Yeah, yeah.
Some of them are just absolutely chilling.
Here's one here.
She's talking about, actually, I'm not too sure what she's talking about, thoughts here.
Let's just run it and see what she's got to say for herself.
It's just a reversal caught my eye as I pulled this up.
harlot the witch
If you go through your scriptures and you find out in the beginnings of Adam and Eve and so forth and so on, their eyes were pretty much closed, only opened to what God wanted them to see at that point.
david john oates
They'll force the venom.
harlot the witch
There's no forces of the enemy.
There's no forces of the enemy.
unidentified
No forces of the enemy.
Okay.
art bell
Oh, boy.
david john oates
Once again, the contextual relationship, you know.
art bell
Again and again and again.
david john oates
I mean we look at Clinton's sex reversals, we've got reversals validating it, you know.
We look at Harlott, we've got the same type of stuff.
We look at NASA, we find that they're surprise, surprise, they're not telling us the whole truth.
art bell
Oh, I know one I want to hear.
Since you mentioned NASA, the one I want to hear, which is impossibly congruent, is the one where they mention Sidonia.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
art bell
The word Sidonia.
The word Sidonia in a million years.
Sidonia would not come up.
Sidonia, of course, is a region on Mars where the face and the other artifacts are.
And there's no way in hell the word Sidonia would come up.
A hundred monkeys, a million years, you're not going to get it.
But here we got it.
We had two NASA officials on the air with us, spokespeople from NASA, and we got the word Sidonia.
Impossible.
david john oates
And I do appreciate your commentary beforehand because that gives me a chance to pull the reversal up in a different subdirectory.
art bell
Right.
unidentified
Shortly after it got there, when the mapping began that year, Viking Orbiter 1 sent back the picture and somebody noticed it on there.
And it was kind of a neat thing.
Gee.
david john oates
And backwards, we're involved with Sidonia.
unidentified
We're We're involved with Sidonia.
art bell
Could not be more clear.
david john oates
Absolutely.
And there's another reversal from this interview that I get requested a lot too.
And actually after this, if we've got time before the break, it might be appropriate to talk about my own experience.
And I've suddenly been...
art bell
Go ahead and hit us with one more from the NASA.
david john oates
Okay, they're talking about research projects to fund.
We're talking about the Hubble spacecraft in this one.
unidentified
Selection on Hubble Use Hubble is made by committees, peer-reviewed committees of other astronomers who come to Baltimore, meet at the Institute, they sort through the proposals, make their recommendations to our director.
david john oates
And I get a lot of requests for this one.
Rehearsel says, what's locked up with their starship?
unidentified
This needs to be known.
Okay.
art bell
What's locked up with their starship?
This needs to be known.
You do not have to be a rocket scientist nor a NASA spokesman to get that one clearly.
unidentified
Yep.
david john oates
Yep.
Obviously referring to there's something else going on that what starship is he talking about?
Gee, I'm glad to get off the Clinton 6.
art bell
All right, now David Jonoates had his own UFO sighting.
told me about this earlier in the day today.
david john oates
Yeah, quite an incredible...
art bell
When was this?
david john oates
This was just before Christmas of last year, so about two months ago.
And I have a very high house.
I live on top of a mountaintop.
I've got five acres of land.
I can see right down to the ocean, and I've got a large valley in front of my house, and I can see to the mountain range along the top.
And my kids were outside in the jacuzzi.
art bell
David, David, David, hold on a second.
I just realized I didn't do my commercials.
So let's hang the audience up right there.
unidentified
And now back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell
David, go ahead.
david john oates
Okay, so this is what happened.
My kids were outside, and they rushed in to the house and said, Dad, Dad, there's a UFO outside.
And I'm going, you're right.
You know, strange lights in the sky is what I was thinking.
And so I went outside and I will never forget this, ever.
Most incredible thing, right on the horizon across the top of the mountain ranges was this massive, massive light.
It was glowing, it was, well, it wasn't glowing because the edges were very defined.
It was a golden colour, yellow colour.
There were planes, I can watch the airplanes flying into the airport on the approach path, and I could see the planes flying in and they were pinpricks of light against this thing.
It had to be 100, 200 times at least larger than a plane.
I've had people come up to the house and we've tried to determine the distance and some people were saying it was a couple of miles wide.
It was like two saucer shapes right on top of each other.
art bell
We're talking Phoenix sized here.
david john oates
Oh, it was huge.
And we watched it for at least a half an hour as it slowly moved across the mountaintops.
It was in no mad hurry at all.
And the thing that impressed me most about it was the size.
art bell
Did you have a tape recorder running?
david john oates
No, I taped it.
I taped myself talking to people about it a couple days later.
art bell
Any reversals connected with it?
david john oates
Yes.
art bell
Oh, you do?
All right, well then hold on to them and we will get to them right after the break, which is coming up right now.
Speaking of the softer side of Harlot, I guess everybody occasionally has a softer side.
This is coast to coast.
unidentified
A. I don't understand how
you do.
I don't envy you.
I'm a little bit of everything.
All rolled into one.
I'm a bitch.
I'm a lover.
I'm a child.
I'm a mother.
david john oates
I'm a sinner.
unidentified
I'm...
art bell
Once again, here is David John Oates.
David, I have your next assignment for you.
david john oates
What's that?
art bell
It is Major Ed Dames.
david john oates
Oh, really?
art bell
Oh, yeah.
You need to call the network tomorrow.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
At the four-hour program we did with Major Dames this week.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
There were some things he said.
For example, I asked him at a very critical moment in the interview what really was going on below Mars, and Ed Dames said, something is waking up.
There were some incredible moments in that interview.
Absolutely incredible.
And everybody's been waiting for this, so that is your next assignment, should you decide to accept it?
david john oates
Oh, yeah, I will accept that one.
There will be a lot of people very, very happy.
I would say of all your guests on your program, Ed Dames is the one I get the most requests for for reversals.
art bell
Really?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
All right.
Well, then this last...
This last four-hour program was a doozy.
david john oates
Okay, we'll get that one going.
unidentified
I just want to quickly...
david john oates
I went to my wordsite and I've searched through it, and if people go to the site, they'll see a whole bunch of positive reversals on that one.
I can't really win with this.
I've analyzed what I found, and that's what I found.
art bell
All right, look, go to my website, folks, www.artbell.com.
Go down to David's name and just click on it.
You'll go right over to his website.
And you can listen to these reversals on your own computer.
david john oates
Yeah, there's both good and bad.
And let me just stress, my sole and primary concern is reverse speech.
I believe I've discovered this incredible technology of language that has the potential to open us up to so much.
And that's really what my emphasis is.
art bell
It's not a political agenda.
david john oates
It is absolutely not a political agenda.
I can't stress that strongly enough.
And yes, sometimes my opinions are swayed about people when I hear their reversals.
I'm human.
I can't help that.
But that's not what my agenda is, and that's not what my motive is.
And I just want to put it out as strongly as I can.
art bell
Thank you, Newt.
Thank you, Newt.
david john oates
Newt.
art bell
Now, we had Zahi Awass, the distinguished director of antiquities at Giza in Egypt on the program.
Right.
I don't know if you happen to catch any reversals from me during that program, but I had like 102.5 temperature.
I had the flu.
It was really incredibly difficult, but I did a two-hour interview.
I was Zahiwas, and I imagine you concentrated on Zahi.
I was just sort of curious what somebody with a fever like that would sound like.
david john oates
You know what?
This is one of the few interviews I didn't look at you.
I was under such a time restraint.
I had all the Clinton stuff going.
I had my own practice going, and I really, all I did was Zahi.
I've got to tell you, this was probably one of the most difficult tapes I have ever done.
art bell
Zahi?
david john oates
Yes.
Well, one of the assignments you have given me.
For a start, the guy's bilingual.
He's, I guess it's Egyptian or Arabic.
I don't know what language they speak over there.
And there was many reversals I found.
Well, when I say reversals, I can recognise reversals fairly well.
They have a very unique tonal signature.
The sing-song, melodious, etheric tone.
And I heard many of those characteristic sounds throughout his tape that I couldn't document because I had no idea what he was saying.
So I assumed it was in his landish language.
And it caused me a great deal of frustration hearing these things that I couldn't put down.
So my analysis that I'm going to present is not the entire picture.
It's highly likely that I have missed key stuff.
The other thing I found was reversals that appeared to be half and half, using half English and half words that I also couldn't understand.
So I'm going to play a couple of those.
art bell
That may make it difficult then.
It may make it tough for us.
david john oates
I'm prefacing my presentation of Zahi Yuas with that.
But nonetheless, there's some interesting information here.
Let us begin.
Your first reversal I will play actually talks about you being sick.
And you'll notice you start off as saying, well, I'm okay, but no, I'm not.
Your voice, you were changed halfway through.
art bell
I am fine if you don't count.
No, I'm not fine.
unidentified
I'm sick.
I'm very sorry to hear that.
david john oates
And he says backwards, this dilemma, the dilemma, I'm fine, no, I'm not fine.
unidentified
Okay?
art bell
Yes.
david john oates
Yeah, so he's hearing that and commenting on that.
Okay, now he's talking about, he says, I'm a person with an open mind.
Very significant reversal here, a word he uses three or four times throughout this interview.
unidentified
Of course.
You know, I am a person really who have an open mind.
I always try to investigate anything.
david john oates
And backwards, he says, bigots seem to doubt.
art bell
Bigots doubt.
Bigots seem to doubt.
Yeah, I heard that.
david john oates
Yeah, he uses the word bigot three or four times.
He seems to both be referring to himself and other people.
He seems to have an issue with that.
He has an open mind, but other people who are not as open-minded have doubts.
And now in this section here, and you'll notice you can hear his accent backwards as well as forwards.
Some of these reversals with his accent backwards are really quite stunning.
In this next, okay, let's just run the next track.
unidentified
You know, the only objection that, you know, maybe this fight that happened for the last two years, that I never really respond at all, it's because I thought that try to respond, maybe it's a wasting over time.
david john oates
I don't know what fight he's talking about.
Maybe you know that one.
art bell
No.
david john oates
No?
Okay, well, when he says I didn't respond because I thought it was a waste of time, backwards, he says, sending their money.
Or could be send me their money.
I just don't know what he's talking about there.
unidentified
Send me beyond.
Send me be a money.
Send me beyond moric.
art bell
Oh, my goodness gracious.
david john oates
Yeah, send me their money.
He's saying, I don't respond because I thought it was a waste of time, but the reversal tells us a completely different reason.
Send me their money.
Let's do it one more time.
unidentified
Send me be a money.
Send me beyond.
Send me be a mori.
art bell
Oh, my gosh.
unidentified
I don't know.
art bell
I mean, oh, my gosh.
There are a lot of people who wonder about the whole money thing with regard to Azahi and his position, his job, and many like him in the Egyptian hierarchy.
david john oates
Oh, really?
art bell
Yeah, hit it again.
david john oates
Okay, you know what?
I actually, in point of fact, I just pulled up the next one, but we can go back to that very quickly.
I actually know absolutely nothing about this situation.
I am in total ignorance of anything about this.
uh okay here here it is Yeah, I think that one pretty much speaks for itself, quite frankly.
Yeah, so do I. I don't need to make any further comments on that.
Clearly, there is some other stuff going on in the pyramids, too, what he's not telling us.
I found a couple of rehearsals about this, so this is one of them.
unidentified
What I did for the last two years is working, excavating, trying to reveal the secrets from the fair.
david john oates
Okay, he's working trying to feel the entrance, I guess.
It's tough with his accent.
Now, this is one of those words.
I've no idea what the word means, but it's clearly part of the reversal.
There's actually a two-word reversal here.
The first one says a word that sounds something like saladrophy, whatever that is.
Listen carefully.
I'm sure some people will fax you with what they think this means.
Saladrophy or whatever.
They hold it.
unidentified
Saladrophit, yes, hold it.
Saladrophit, yeshold it.
Saladrophit, yeath hold it.
art bell
That's a hard one.
david john oates
It is a hard one.
And then he says, we froze it.
And he actually uses the word froze it again later on in the transcript.
Something that's been preserved, obviously.
unidentified
Can you froze it?
art bell
Oh, my gracious.
That is very, very...
And the meaning of that is very clear as well.
david john oates
Yes.
art bell
Oh, my.
david john oates
Yeah, well, these were fairly obvious, you know, when I found them.
I just wish I understood Arabic or whatever language he speaks.
art bell
Egyptian.
david john oates
Egyptian.
To get the rest of the story.
But we've got enough in English here.
Here he is talking about a fight, I think, with someone.
Some interesting reversals around fights he's had with people.
unidentified
He came to see me, and I think if you talk to him again, maybe he will tell you what's happened between us.
I think he understood now completely my side.
david john oates
Now, this is interesting.
I used him in my story.
There's a whole bunch of reversals about using people to his own ends.
All right.
unidentified
OK.
art bell
No, I have a hard time with that one.
david john oates
Yeah, I realized that when I played it.
Okay, let's move on to the next one.
And also, too, you know, I think the reversals are there.
He's just got such a thick accent.
It's hard to understand forward sometimes, too.
art bell
That is correct.
david john oates
This next one threw me for a loop.
I was chuckling for about a half an hour after I found this one.
This is what you call busted.
unidentified
You know, I told him, John, I don't really have anything against you personally.
I'm not your enemy.
david john oates
Don't have anything against you personally.
But backwards, he says, don't serve.
art bell
Wait a minute.
Everybody should know he was speaking of John Anthony West, and he has had words with John Anthony West, to say the least.
david john oates
Well, both forwards and backwards.
The backwards, he says, don't serve with the nigger.
A real denigrating term.
unidentified
I'm so wish to make it.
art bell
No comment.
david john oates
It speaks for itself.
I don't have anything against you personally.
Okay, now we're looking at the next one down.
He's talking about why he doesn't want to open the pyramids up to why actually he has trouble with people with all these different million ideas coming in.
unidentified
Well, you know, if you open the pyramids, you know, to amateurs and people who don't have a degree in archaeology or scientists, you have billions of ideas that everyone will try to prove his theory.
david john oates
Okay, and then he says the world would doubt.
And I think that's just a straightforward.
He doesn't want to have a whole bunch of different theories in because it would cause confusion over what the pyramids are all about.
art bell
Okay?
Tell me what it was again?
david john oates
The world would doubt.
art bell
The world would doubt.
Regular speed, please.
david john oates
And see, this is the problem with his.
art bell
I understand.
Give me regular speed.
It sounds like this world would doubt.
david john oates
I had the world would doubt, but this world could also be true, too.
unidentified
Okay.
david john oates
I can hear the yes there.
unidentified
Yep.
david john oates
Okay, all right.
This next one's a real puzzling one.
I've hesitated whether I want to play this on the air or not, but it's the word, one of the words in it is so significant I would be remiss if I didn't play it.
I don't know what it means.
art bell
Okie dokie.
david john oates
He's talking about...
art bell
Yes, there certainly was a massacre of many, many, many, many in Egypt.
david john oates
Okay.
See, this is where I have zero knowledge about this whole situation.
unidentified
But, you know, from every family in Egypt, there is someone who's working in tourism.
Means we lost a lot because of that.
Yes.
And therefore, the Egyptians, not the government, the Egyptians with the government are trying now to show to the people that this will never happen again.
david john oates
Now, this reversal doesn't seem to be related to what he's saying forward.
It's a bizarre reversal.
unidentified
sad earthling he froze it They're very fast.
david john oates
Extremely fast.
Let's run that again.
But it's certainly there.
The Earthling is the word that got me when I was running the tape back.
unidentified
Huh?
art bell
Very clear.
david john oates
Yeah, I know.
art bell
Fast, fast, but clear.
david john oates
Maybe I would appreciate as much feedback as I can get on these ones.
Of all the tapes I've ever done for you, this is the one that's got me scratching my head the most.
And you know, you've got the, Secondly, you've got the accent problem and some very unusual terms.
unidentified
On the morning of the day of the 21st of December, it was the first time that the Sphinx was a smiling.
Yep.
david john oates
Okay, talking about the Sphinx smiling?
art bell
Yes, he had just finished the resurrection of the Sphinx.
david john oates
Right.
And backwards, he, oh, that's interesting.
Backwards, he says, her message was tested, neutered.
And by neutered, I'm seeing that as being made ineffective.
Or her message was tested.
They've analyzed whatever it was, and they've made the message of it ineffective.
Her message was tested, neutered.
unidentified
Her message was tested, newted.
Her message was tested, newted.
Her message was tested neutered.
david john oates
Okay?
art bell
Yes, okay indeed.
david john oates
Yeah, obviously something's being made ineffective, whatever that is.
Here he's talking about allowing people to enter the pyramid for meditation purposes.
unidentified
And at the same time, we're going to allow the people who will enter to have meditation.
We're not going to stop that.
david john oates
He obviously means what he says in this one backwards.
He says, they shared the devout.
unidentified
The shit is devout.
art bell
Wow.
unidentified
The shit is devout.
The shit is devout.
david john oates
Okay?
art bell
Wow, was that clear?
david john oates
Yeah, yeah.
And once again, that contextual relationship.
People coming to have meditation, the devout.
I emphasize this over and over and over again because it's so important.
You've got this direct contextual relationship.
Okay.
This next one, he's trying to get you on side.
I think you are moderating a debate or something.
art bell
I am going to moderate a debate in May between Graham Hancock, Robert Baval, Daniel Brinkley, Azahi Awas.
It's going to be mission impossible, and somebody's going to get thrown into the ocean.
david john oates
Yeah, well, I've got to mention reversal about a debate when he talks about it, too.
art bell
Thank you.
unidentified
You know, Art, I was going to leave all of this for you as a moderator and as observant, this debate.
david john oates
He's trying to get you on side.
Backwards, he says, woo your force.
unidentified
Ooh, you fast.
david john oates
Ooh, you fast.
And once more.
unidentified
Ooh, you fast.
art bell
Oh, my goodness.
david john oates
Let me run that one again forward.
And you can actually hear he's being exceptionally nice to you.
unidentified
You know, I was going to leave all of this for you, Zamudretur, and Azobshan, this to death.
Ooh, you fast.
Ooh, you fast.
art bell
Oh, boy.
david john oates
Probably not going to quite succeed after hearing that reversal.
You know, I say sometimes on the air sometimes, this is everything that you've always wished for, but hope it never comes.
art bell
That's right.
david john oates
The ultimate truth detector.
Here's an interesting one that's out on Left Field, too.
He had several reversals out in Leftfield.
art bell
What do you hope to find?
unidentified
You are going to attempt then to breach the door found by Ganttenbrink.
art bell
What do you imagine you might find?
unidentified
You know, I really do not, I cannot really answer this question until we'll take the photograph to see what's behind the store.
Okay.
david john oates
Often in reverse speech, occasionally in reverse speech, you will get flashbacks to what he's saying here, he's thinking about something else.
Reversal says, don't forget you live down the shock, said the slut.
unidentified
What?
david john oates
I don't know who the slut is, but it's a conversation someone's had to him.
It's essentially saying, you know, you like danger, you like shock, you like...
Don't forget you live down the shock, said the slut.
unidentified
century long reversal as in left field Now, see, now I have more trouble with that.
art bell
And I think that you're right.
I think that it is his accent and his very rapid form of speech that makes all of these very difficult to hear.
david john oates
You're getting that forward, too.
art bell
Yeah.
Absolutely.
david john oates
So let me just pick out some of the clearest ones then.
Like I said, I had a lot of trouble with this tape.
art bell
I can see that.
david john oates
I rejected a lot of them for airplay.
I think only about 30 or 35 went up on my site out of a possible 100 that I could choose from.
Such a thick accent.
And words, I found reversals with a couple of English words in it, then Egyptian words as well.
art bell
Well, you know, that's very revealing anyway.
david john oates
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, exceptionally so.
Okay, here's, I think this reversal is fairly clear.
Obviously, something else going on in the pyramids he's not telling us about.
unidentified
And Daniel came after that and said, Zahi, I want you to meet the people who talk about you.
You have to face them.
I said, Daniel, I am not ready.
david john oates
Okay, long reversal.
I've separated it.
We hide this net.
There's a slight pause.
Make clear now we're facing the door.
And there's another reference to door.
I don't know what door he's referring to.
unidentified
All right, go ahead.
Can you hear that?
art bell
Yeah, sort of.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Sort of.
Again, okay, it's obvious to me that Zahi's accent and the fact that he is thinking in Egyptian is, you know, is obviously tarnishing what we can get clearly.
Hold right where you are, David.
When we come back, we will move into some classic reversals, all-time classic reversals, in the final half hour.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
This song is repeating its end.
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Now, here again is Art Bell.
art bell
Once again, here I am.
Well, I think that, with the exception of a few very clear reversals on Zaya Watson, that we've learned a lesson here, a very important lesson, and that is that somebody who thinks in another language, somebody who speaks English on the fly very quickly and with a heavy accent, is not easily reversed.
So in a lot of ways, this was a very, very good demonstration.
There were a couple of extremely clear reversals.
And I mean extremely clear.
But I think this would cast out then, for example, on the John Anthony West reversal and some of the others.
And I thought that was very harsh, terribly harsh.
And it may be inaccurate.
I think it's just too difficult to reverse somebody who basically is thinking.
Actually, let's talk to David.
David, when they're speaking in English forward, they're half the time thinking in their own language, right?
david john oates
Yeah, that would generally be the case.
And, you know, I mean, and this whole experience with Zahiwass, in my mind, only goes to validate reverse speech even more.
I mean, because if you could get random, if you could get, if I could find intelligent English clear statements in any speech, then I would find it in this as well.
art bell
You are exactly right.
In other words, random sounds, if a reverse speech is baloney, should produce an equal number of apparently clear reversals in good old English.
david john oates
Yeah, right.
art bell
Right.
david john oates
That's exactly correct.
Now, that's not what happened.
I had a lot of trouble with this.
art bell
That's right.
david john oates
I had a real lot of trouble with it.
art bell
No, no, no, no.
A good demonstration, actually.
david john oates
Yeah, no, I'm certainly glad I did it.
It's up on my website.
People can go and listen to it at www.reversespeech.com.
And you can hear the whole transcript up there.
Also, some positive reversals on Clinton.
And I'm going to get my 800 number out now and at the end.
And if people want to try this out for themselves, don't believe me.
Go and get the equipment and do it for yourself.
And you can call 1-800-669-5789.
800-669-5789.
art bell
All right.
And there you can get reversing equipment tape recorders, especially modified, blah, blah, blah.
unidentified
Yep.
david john oates
Now let's look at some native English-speaking people and notice the difference in the cloudy of the reversals.
art bell
Okay.
david john oates
Okay, here we have Tatsi Ramsey on CNN, a famous clip.
I've played this several times.
She's talking forwards about obviously the death of John Bernay, a little girl who was murdered in Boulder, Colorado, and she's saying she feels there's at least two people out there who knows who did this crime.
unidentified
We feel like there are at least two people on the face of this earth that know who did this.
And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided in.
david john oates
And back what she says in a very clear English statement, I'm that person.
unidentified
I'm it's very good.
I'm it's very good.
art bell
It's clear as day.
Not only is it clear as day, but it's got that ethereal little sound to it, too.
david john oates
Yep.
And let's run that whole track backwards, and you'll actually hear the gibberish first, followed by this very clear phrase right in the middle of the.
art bell
All right, so it's the whole thing.
unidentified
Yep.
I don't know much that I know this boost is happening all the time.
art bell
Oh, my.
All right, so the gibberish, gibberish, gibberish, and then I'm that person, clear as can be.
david john oates
Yep, exactly correct.
Exactly how reverse speech works.
This is, you know what, actually, here's a reversal that actually describes what reverse speech is.
This is actually me.
This is back in 1988 when I was really thrust into this.
I pretty well worked out what it was then.
And I'm at a conference and I'm saying, you know, I've suddenly been thrust into this role where I have people coming to me and saying, David, I want to know what's going inside my head.
I've been suddenly thrust into this role where I have people coming to me and saying, David, I want to know what's going on inside my head.
And I think, honey, hell yeah, all I do is play tapes backwards.
But I'm starting to get a feel for it.
Amazing complementarity here, contextual relationship.
Right at the words where I say, all I do is play tapes backwards.
There's a reversal on that that says, look at that, then the little bit of gibberish followed by all I am inside.
Two statements here.
Look at that.
A fraction of gibberish, all I am inside.
art bell
Oh, yeah.
david john oates
And what happens when we play tapes backwards?
unidentified
We see all that we are inside.
david john oates
Here it is again.
Exceptionally clear reversal.
And see, now we're getting down to English reversals.
I mean, English forwards, clear, obvious English, clear, obvious English backwards.
art bell
Even in an Australian accent.
david john oates
Sorry?
art bell
Even in an Australian accent.
david john oates
Yeah, absolutely correct.
Yeah, and that's one thing we notice in reverse speech is we hear accents and colloquialisms.
And, you know, like the see the desert answers on Clinton was see desert answers, not desert answers.
You know, I would say answers, and Clinton would say answers.
Right.
Yeah, so we're just going to go through some more classic reversals.
This is a reversal.
This is actually the second one I found in speech right after the Neil Armstrong example.
This is a live commentary of JFK's assassination in Dallas, Texas.
art bell
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Several police officers are rushing up the hill at this time.
Stand by.
david john oates
Just a moment, please.
unidentified
Something has happened in the motorcade.
Stand by, please.
david john oates
Clarkland Hospital, there has no shooting.
unidentified
Clarkland Hospital has been advised to stand by for a severe gunshot wound.
david john oates
And right at the precise point that he realizes the shooting has occurred, he says backwards, he's shot bad.
Hold it.
Try and look up.
Three sentences together, totally relating.
Even the sentences run on.
I mean, this is stretching the laws of probability to the nth degree.
"I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry"I mean, I don't even need to play that one at three speed.
art bell
No, you're right.
david john oates
That one's so clear.
Let's run it forwards and backwards.
Here it is, forwards.
Backwards.
art bell
Cut it.
You know, if anything, it's almost more clear in reverse.
david john oates
Yeah, that comment has been said to me about that statement, too.
And see, once again, this is a highly emotional situation.
It's like the fire, you know, the fire reversal is exactly the same forwards as backwards, as clear backwards as forwards.
And there's just so many common factors around this technology.
The more emotional someone becomes, the clearer the reversals become, the more frequent they become.
And this is such a consistent observation.
I mean, over and over and over again, it's, I mean, I just don't know what else to say.
I don't know how people can continue doubting with the overwhelming, not just the clear reversals, but the consistency of them over again.
Oh, here's an amusing one on O.J. Simpson.
I like this one, not so much what it says backwards, but what he says forwards.
Notice very carefully what he says forwards here.
unidentified
The worst thing you can have, that you can ever have is have your argument tape.
I would say, anybody out there that's married, that's in a relationship, just throw the tape recorder on the next time you have an argument and play it back.
You will not believe that was you.
david john oates
I just want to run that section again, the last bit.
unidentified
Turn a tape recorder on the next time you have an argument and play it back.
You will not believe that was you.
david john oates
Very ironic.
And backwards, he says, I skinned them all.
unidentified
I skinned them all.
art bell
I skinned them all.
david john oates
Yeah, and skin is actually slang for I conned or I fooled them.
But, you know, I think it's also relating to the intensity and gravity of the crime itself.
Yes.
Quite an amazing reversal.
Let me see now.
Oh, you know, we did a couple on the Queen a while back in the death of Princess Di.
You know, I'm just running down my page here, seeing what we've got.
art bell
Whatever you've got, that's hot.
david john oates
Seeing what we've got.
Okay, this is a queen on the death of Princess Di.
unidentified
This week at Valmoral, we have all been trying to help William and Harry come to terms with the devastating loss that they and the rest of us have suffered.
david john oates
And backwards she says, the fuss will serve us.
And then I want to play another one as well, and there's a little comment I've got to make on this one.
unidentified
The fuss with service.
The fast with service.
The fuss would serve us.
art bell
Couldn't be clearer.
The fuss will serve us.
david john oates
Yeah, and I'm a regular on one of Britain's late-night radio programs, the Jane's Whale Show.
And when I played that one, he said to me, Well, that's exactly what has happened.
Since the death of Princess Dyer, the tabloids have been very lenient on the family.
And here's another one, too, on The Queen.
unidentified
I, for one, believe there are lessons to be drawn from her life and from the extraordinary and moving reaction to her death.
david john oates
Now, notice a British accent backwards here.
She says, sell her, feel it now.
In other words, let's promote Princess Di.
I can feel now all the public's probably love and whatever for Princess Di.
Oops, now that just stopped off.
art bell
Sell her, I can feel it now.
david john oates
Yep.
unidentified
Hello, feel it now.
Hello, feel it now.
david john oates
Okay.
unidentified
Hello, feel now.
art bell
No, I think the Aussie mind hears the English accent just fine, but I don't.
david john oates
Okay, that seems like a fairly straightforward reversal to me.
Oh, look, here's one I played on your program.
Oh, and I want to move on to the Sonny Bono funeral, too.
That's one you haven't heard.
art bell
That's right.
david john oates
Here's what, well, actually, well, let's go and now I've just gotten lost.
Just a touch.
I've got to find the script for Sonny Bono.
Here's one I played on your program a while back.
This is Whoopi Goldberg talking about one of her latest movies.
unidentified
How much fun was this film in to do?
Well, it was a lot of fun, you know, because I got to play with all these guys.
david john oates
Back was a long sentence.
She says, see all the wealth that I got.
I suck the money.
unidentified
We've also left the sidebar and I suck the money.
art bell
Okay.
unidentified
We've also left the sidebar and I suck the money.
david john oates
And what more?
unidentified
I suck the money.
david john oates
These are some classic ones that I don't think I've done on your program before.
Right.
Okay, well, let's find a couple on the share.
Well, this is the ones I haven't ever played on air.
art bell
Okay, this would be the occasion of the Sonny Bonneau funeral.
david john oates
Right, yeah.
And the one I'm pulling up right now, she's actually talking about when they first met, I believe.
unidentified
He walked into this room, and I swear to God, I saw him, and like everybody else in the room, was just washed away in this kind of soft-focused filter, kind of like when Maria saw Tony at the dance.
Now, you have to realize, at this time, he was talking to a girl who thought that Mount Rushmore was a natural phenomenon.
david john oates
Quite amazing.
Then she says, this is also a long sentence, too.
The Wonderful Shine was a warm show.
I'm with Love, the World Moved Me.
In other words, he shone.
It was warm and fuzzy.
I'm with love.
The world moved me.
unidentified
I'm on the first line of the wrong show.
I'm about to horror movies.
Yep.
I'm on the first line of the wrong show.
I'm about to horror movies.
david john oates
And what's more.
unidentified
I'm about to horror move me.
art bell
Yeah, love, caring, compassion.
unidentified
Yep.
art bell
All of it there in both directions.
david john oates
Yeah, absolutely correct.
And, you know, I like these long reversals if for nothing else.
There's no way you can explain that.
art bell
No.
No, no, not with 10,000 monkeys in a million years.
david john oates
The argument just doesn't wash.
It really doesn't.
Here's some from a casual conversation with a friend of mine, a good friend, as you can tell from the reversal.
He's talking about some photographs he wants to show me, which incidentally are up on my website.
I just put some new photographs of myself up on the site this week, so you can go to the site and have a look at them.
And this is actually what this conversation is talking about, the new photographs that are now up on the website.
unidentified
want to do them better and they would just rent for it Yeah, well, actually, I have it there.
I'll give it to you.
david john oates
And the reversal says, please to be your friend.
unidentified
Please to be glad.
Please to be glad.
david john oates
Okay.
art bell
Okay.
Go take a look at the photographs of David, by the way.
He does not look like he sounds.
david john oates
Oh, really?
art bell
No, no.
No, no.
You sound like a hairless Aussie beach boy.
david john oates
Oh, really?
art bell
And you look like a grizzlied mountain man.
david john oates
I guess I do.
It's that beard and all that sort of stuff.
As you, the photographs we talked about here are the black and white ones.
And you can actually see his friendship in the photographs because he's really captured me in this really quite incredible.
He's really, I think, captured the warmth of who I am.
And they're just amazing photographs.
Let's look at a couple of things I don't think I've breached on your program.
We'll look at some quick conversations.
I can't play an entire conversation, but have you ever been in a situation with someone and you're about to say something and before you have a chance to say it, someone else says it for you, or you feel like you want a cup of coffee and before you ask for it, someone says, hey, would you like a cup of coffee?
art bell
Of course.
david john oates
Many instances like that in reverse speech.
Reverse speech is actually a communication process.
art bell
It would be deja you.
david john oates
Right.
Yeah, good one.
Okay.
This is actually from Australian TV program.
It's a reporter asking a man about a threatening letter his wife received.
And right at the end, he says, well, you know, she offers to show him this letter.
unidentified
Well, she says it was in your handwriting.
Well, then, she should produce that letter.
And that's for that saddle light.
Have you seen the letter?
Yes, I have.
david john oates
Do you want to see it?
unidentified
Yes.
david john oates
Now, where he says she should produce that letter, play that.
unidentified
But that's for that saddle.
Have you seen the letter?
david john oates
Have you seen the letter?
unidentified
backwards he says I want to see that letter.
david john oates
Yeah, fine.
unidentified
And what I'm going to do...
david john oates
Then she immediately says, Do you want to see it?
unidentified
Well, she says it was in your handwriting.
Well, then she should produce that letter and let's have a look.
Have you seen the letter?
Helen, do you see a lot of letters?
Yes, I have.
Do you want to see it?
Yes.
david john oates
Look at that.
I think that's amazing.
art bell
I do too.
david john oates
Quite frankly.
And here's another one of a similar note.
Actually, it's good we've got this half an hour just to go through this because these are sort of things I really don't get to cover.
art bell
Really all of reverse speech is amazing and dangerous and all the things that we've talked about.
david john oates
All of the above, absolutely.
Here's me in session work with a client and I've said several times on your program, I use this in therapy quite a lot.
We just get stunning success using this synth.
It goes right to the root cause of someone's psychosis or problem in normally just one half an hour tape recording.
But this one is showing communication.
A client had come to me to give up cigarette smoking and halfway through the interview I'm trying to find out how long she's been smoking.
How long have you been smoking?
unidentified
since I was 17.
And you, uh...
david john oates
And you'll notice I started to ask the question in your ah and then I didn't finish it.
And here's that half-asked sentence again.
Oops.
Gee whiz, now my computer's dropping out again.
And backwards I say, how old?
Okay?
art bell
Okay.
How old, straight out.
david john oates
Exactly right.
And here's that whole thing again, played forwards, reversal, superimposed.
How long have you been smoking?
unidentified
Since I was 17.
And you're 45.
david john oates
Quite amazing.
art bell
Deja you.
david john oates
Yeah, right.
This is just incredible stuff.
Actually, well, I've seen me looking at some of the oddities of reverse speech.
Let's do another one like that.
Here we have a reversal backwards before it said forwards.
I'm in a session with a client.
Once again, I'm pulling out therapeutic examples here.
And I play these type of reversals on my lectures, which I don't tend to play on the radio.
And she's telling me about a career.
We'll just play it.
unidentified
Don't laugh, but when you said that, we're reminded of my first business.
david john oates
Oh, really?
unidentified
I was about nine years old.
Doing what?
Well, Becky, they use coal in the wintertime.
david john oates
Okay, now you notice I say I'll really, followed by doing what.
They're the only two things that I say.
Here is me saying, oh, really.
Oh, really?
And backwards, I'll really is doing what?
unidentified
Okay?
art bell
Yes, that's remarkable.
So in other words, you're actually saying something in reverse.
david john oates
Before I say it, forwards.
And let's run that whole traffic just.
art bell
Just remarkable.
david john oates
Yeah, here we go.
unidentified
Still laugh, but when you said that word, reminded my French business.
Oh, really?
david john oates
There's reversal.
unidentified
I was about nine years old.
Going wrong.
Well, Becky, they used.
david john oates
Okay.
art bell
Yes, okay.
Perfect, in fact.
david john oates
Yeah, and I've got so many examples like this.
You know, reverse speech explains all those subtle nuances of speech, those feelings of intuition, that knowingness that we all have.
Like you're in an argument with your wife and you swear black and blue she said something.
And she says, no, I never said that.
But I've got instances on tape where she's actually said it backwards.
And in intense emotions, we are far more open to hearing the reversals than what we normally are in regular everyday conversations.
art bell
What would you say to a husband and wife who would decide to record themselves throughout a day or two and then reverse themselves?
david john oates
Well, the first thing you should do is have an agreement that you won't get upset with what you'll find.
art bell
That's what I thought.
david john oates
Yeah, I actually don't recommend it, quite frankly.
You can get some pretty nasty stuff coming out.
I've had marriages break up overhearing reversals.
art bell
I thought so.
david john oates
I speak from personal experience.
art bell
Personal experience.
david john oates
I'm a single man now, but I would say reverse sweets was directly contributed to two marriage breakups.
art bell
Two of them, not one but two.
david john oates
Not one but two.
The last one, I was married very happily for four years.
We'd never done reversals.
We finally did reversals on each other, and within three months of doing that.
art bell
That was it.
david john oates
That was it.
We broke up.
It's been very nasty.
art bell
All right, a word of warning then for the general public.
David, we're at the end of time here, our time anyway.
david john oates
So let me get my 800 numbers number out.
art bell
For tape reversal machines.
for related materials, the number is...
david john oates
800-669-5789.
One thing we're really trying to promote now is a whole training program in this.
We desperately need people trained in this skill and this technology.
We have correspondence programs available and home study courses.
If you want to learn how to do this for yourself, just call the office.
The staff will be there as of tomorrow morning.
1-800-669-5789.
art bell
All right.
Moreover, his website has all of this stuff and so very much more.
And you can get to it through my website at www.artbell.com.
Just fly up there, look for David's name, click on it, it'll take you right over to his website or go directly to www.reversebeach.com.
How's that, David?
david john oates
Thank you very much, Ad.
I'll get to the Ed Dames tape.
I'll call your office tomorrow, and I'll get that done top priority.
art bell
Ed Dames is your assignment.
Take care, David.
david john oates
Thank you very much, Ad.
I appreciate it.
art bell
We're going to break here at the top of the hour.
And when we come back, we'll just do open lines.
Comments on reverse speech, comments on microphones, on Mars probes, whatever else may be on your mind is fair game.
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