Derrel Sims, a controversial but cleared CIA-linked investigator, details Gulf Breeze UFO sightings—including Whitley Strieber’s 1980 garnet-red light and Vicki Lyons’ triangulated encounters—while warning of implanted "screensaver" memories. He dismisses demon theories, citing biblical Nephilim as distinct, and links abductions to physical evidence like UV-cauterized marks and fluorescent substances. Strieber’s Mexico City videos suggest military interest in UFO propulsion tech, with Project Awareness’ March 20–22 conference aiming to provoke responses. Sims’ upcoming book, Alien Hunter, claims hard proof of abduction trauma, including a Brazilian case of surgically removed eyes, urging resistance via prayer or mental visualization while questioning hypnosis risks. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across this great land.
From the beach and Hawaiian Island chains in the west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Good morning in St. Thomas.
In the South American North, all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
This is post-to-post a.m.
I'm Market.
And it's great to be here this night.
We have a lot to do, folks.
We're going to start the hour off with Whitney Streeper and Vicky Lyons.
And we've got a photograph on the internet for you that you can go look at right now.
We're going to be replacing it with a higher quality photograph shortly.
It is of the Gulf Breeze area, and it is of a UFO, no question about it.
And we're going to get the story that goes with that photograph shortly.
But make your way on up to my website right away if you are computer handy.
It is www.artbell.com.
That's www.artbell.com.
Then, in the next hour, we're going to talk with Daryl Sims.
We heard from Daryl with Dr. Lear.
Daryl didn't get to say a lot during the course of that first interview.
And Daryl has been prominent in ufology, the hard fact-gathering part of ufology for a long time.
And there are his detractors who suggest that he is not what he says he is.
And we are going to disprove that tonight.
If you go up and you look at Darrell Sims' name on the website, you will find just next to it that you can click on, a letter from, let's see, is it the Department of Defense?
I think it is.
Department of the Army, actually, Office of the Adjutant General, showing the moment when his top secret clearance, which he absolutely had, was converted, replaced, canceled, and replaced with a secret clearance.
And that letter is on the website right now.
I suggest you take a look.
Just in case you're curious, he also included a copy of his DD 214.
We're not going to post that.
So for Darrell Sims critics, a moment of hard reality, which he enjoys serving up.
Just a couple of quick notes.
One, a major announcement of national significance that's going to blow your mind is going to be made Wednesday, 5 o'clock on our brand new affiliate in Las Vegas, Hot Talk 1051.
It'll be the Jim and Julie Show.
And this is for a very, very real reason, this announcement.
So I would say stay tuned.
tomorrow at five and tomorrow night we'll tell you what it's all about you you you you Well, all right, now to San Antonio, Texas, the best-selling, million-selling bestseller author.
In the past month or month and a half, I've been traveling around the country off and on with a photographer, Tim Greenfield Saunders, to various UFO hotspots.
We've been writing an article and doing a photographic story for Life magazine.
We got to our last hotspot, Gulf Breeze, the UFO sighting capital of the world.
The site of the incredible Ed Walters material, which was roundly debunked and turned out a few months later to be almost indisputably true when a video was made by a couple from Houston of the same object flying over the area in broad daylight, which was hardly noticed, of course, in the media, but I think most of your listeners know about it.
I mean, we have no idea the media blackout on this subject is concealing one of the most fantastic, deeply disturbing and wondrous things that has ever happened in the history of this species.
You know, you were talking a few minutes ago about Darrell Sims, and I would just like to say in his defense that I have known him now for a couple of years, and I've never seen anything out of Darrell Sims except a really sincere effort to do something very hard.
And I'm standing there on the beach with the people from Project Awareness who have kept the sightings in Gulf Freeze alive for years and have become absolute experts in documenting these sightings.
They're really, really well organized at this.
And I'm thinking to myself, gosh, you know, I've been working on this for 10 years.
Tim's been joking with me about the fact that we've been all over the country and the UFO has never showed up.
This is the last shot.
The group of people we're taking photographs of are standing on the beach.
None of them have seen the UFO over at this beach in years.
And Tim is pointing his camera at them.
It's the evening.
And he casually points over his shoulder and says, look in that direction.
And they all start yelling.
I turn around, and there, hanging at about 20 degrees above the northern horizon, is the most incredible garnet red light, about three-quarters the brightness of Venus on a bright night.
They took a beautiful picture of it, too, which I hope will appear in the magazine.
I talked to them today, and they're still deciding whether or not they want to run the article.
I think they're delighted and amazed, but I think a little bit overwhelmed because they're supposed to be UFO skeptics.
I mean, this is the Northeastern Media Establishment talking here.
But they're wonderful people, and I'm sure they're going to find a way to get me to write something that they think their readers will be interested in.
They have video which they have showed me of these amazing sort of flickering lighted things coming down out of the bottom of this.
And I must say that later that night on about 9.30 or 10, my wife and I were being taken back to the hotel by some of Vicky's friends, and the driver saw two white squares in the sky.
I saw them, but only just so briefly I could just see a sort of white blur.
A moment later, something hit the top of the car hard.
And sometimes, one of the most remarkable things that ever happened involving these lights, Art, was in March of 1992, we had a group of more than 30 witnesses out on the beach, and we wanted to do an experiment.
So we shined some very bright lights up at four or five of these objects, and they blinked back.
And that was the point when I know I had the feeling like you have been talking about, you and Whitley earlier, where you feel almost a change come over you.
I knew there was something very unusual going on.
But we've had multiples of these, and they move against the wind.
They never make a sound.
They're just extraordinary objects.
And at times, we've been lucky enough to see these objects in a ring so that we think we're looking at an actual object with a ring of lights around it.
And so you've got to kind of wonder, and I guess I would ask you both, what for the ufology community and for the world in general is going to be the next step?
You know, that video, Jaime is going to be showing that video at Gulf Freeze at the Project Awareness Conference, which is starting, if I'm not correct, on the 20th of March.
It has not been shown, I don't believe, yet on television in the U.S. But what I was getting at was this.
I think that those of us who are interested in seeing if we can get closer to this thing, and now I know there are a lot of people who don't want to do that, and I personally always advise caution.
But I think that the more public it becomes, the more of a response there's going to be.
Generally, most of the people who have told us stories about these craft suggest that the manner of communication with them has always been telepathic or possibly light signaling, as Vicky has talked about.
And what do you think of the advisability of getting my audience together?
I've done this on more than one occasion, did it just before the Big Phoenix incident, and actually trying to have some sort of mass communication with the visitors, requesting them to show themselves?
By groups of us sitting and just being quiet and thinking about the fact that we felt no fear and we were ready to face whatever and that we were very interested in finding out exactly what has been happening.
And that is when those groups appeared.
That is when we flash the lights and they flash back.
It started that way.
And every time we've tried that, and I must say We haven't lately, but now we're starting again.
We have had some very interesting results, and I think that is very important.
And I think that is one of the next steps.
We have got to show that we are fearless and we are ready.
We have one of the largest Gulf Freeze conferences, UFO conferences in the country.
This is our sixth annual conference, and it will be held right in Gulf Breeze on the beach, March 20th.
Whitley's been a speaker for us many times, and the only reason he isn't this time is because it was going to involve a scheduling problem with his writing a new book.
But this is going to, we've decided that we are going to expand our sky watches.
We normally have a sky watch, and the last four out of five conferences we have had sightings.
So this time we have expanded, and we're going to have a sky watch every night, and we're going to do exactly what you were talking about.
We're going to get our conference attendees out on the beach, volunteers, and we're going to very, very seriously skywatch and be ready for whatever happens.
You know, I heard a wonderful story tonight from a friend who had just come back from Africa.
And she talked about watching some lions trying to lure a baby elephant away from its mother by rolling around and playing with each other and rolling the dust, which elephants love to do, and just being cute and playful as they could be.
And they never got the baby to come over, but the baby was very tempted.
And I think we have to remember that story as we proceed with this.
I'm not saying we shouldn't do it.
I'm very much in favor of doing it.
And I'm going to be there at Gulf Breeze trying along with everybody else.
But I think caution, we'd be foolish not to be cautious.
Okay, and in fairness to Snappy, incidentally, if it's still the first one that they did, that they sent a second one to Keith just a little while ago.
I can give you the circumstances of this sighting.
Basically, we've had three UFO sightings in the daytime.
And I wanted to qualify one point.
These sightings were actually 30 to 40 miles west-northwest of Gulf Breeze and Pensacola Beach, but still very much in the area.
But it started on last Wednesday when I was driving to my partner's house to do some project awareness business, and I was not supposed to leave my house until 4.15.
And I don't know why I changed my plans.
Circumstances were very unusual.
But I suddenly decided I just had to leave earlier.
So I left my house at 3.30, and I was driving down I-10 heading west, and the sky was completely clear and brilliantly blue, not a cloud anywhere.
And all of a sudden, I noticed through my windshield to the southwest a perfectly round silver ball.
It was so silver that it looked like a sterling silver marble hanging in the sky.
And I estimated it to be about a mile away, and it was just spectacular.
It was just hanging there.
And I didn't think it was moving, but it's hard to say when you're driving 70 miles an hour down an interstate.
But it was so clear.
The day was just brilliantly blue, not a cloud anywhere.
And the amazing thing was I was pondering, pulling over and trying to get off the interstate.
And just as I was looking at it and pondering leaving the interstate, this object crossed over my path so fast that the speed was absolutely indescribable.
Now, on Saturday morning, a couple named Christy and Scott Edwards from Robertsdale, Alabama, that's about 40 miles west-northwest of Gulf Breeze.
They are the ones that are responsible for this video that is showing on your website.
It was shown last night on Fox 10 News.
Now, we took this right off of the news station.
We have not had an opportunity to talk with them.
People are working on this.
But the circumstances surrounding the video are that Christy Edwards stated that the object was very bright and very large and not like anything else she had ever seen.
It was a daylight sighting.
She had two sightings Saturday morning and again yesterday morning.
And she turned this in to the Fox 10 News and they put it on the news last night.
Now we did try to contact Shannon Garrett, who is the Fox News reporter handling that story.
I tried to talk to her today and she was out sick, so I'm supposed to get to talk with her tomorrow.
But Project Awareness staffers are pursuing this investigation and we also have a website and we're putting all this on there, all the updates.
It's projectawareness.com and we'll have all this on there.
But that is the video that you were actually seeing tonight.
But I wanted to preface that with a description of my sighting because that is what I saw.
And unfortunately, I didn't have a video camera in my car, but I was thrilled when I saw this on the news.
I think the first thing from my own personal experience and all the letters I've read is no matter how much we expect it, it's going to be a surprise because it always seems to come that way.
The last thing I ever expected to happen was to actually see a UFO in the presence of this photographer and his assistant who were, you know, I mean, they're not in this at all.
And they're very, very sweet people, but they're not in this.
And two, they know the limits of the visitor's tempers, because there's no question about in that Mission STS-48 video, the objects perform at such an extraordinary high level of capability.
Shooting at those objects is a little bit like a mouse biting a tiger.
I mean, you need to think carefully about that, and I wish it had been a matter of public policy and not something decided in secret if it really happened.
There is genetic material involved, almost certainly.
Another thing is this.
People can have a transformative experience from contact.
I've had that.
I know many people who have had the same.
I don't really know anyone who's credible and reliable, who's found it to be a fun, charming, humorous, delightful experience.
It's tough, but for some of us, it's bearable.
For others, it is not.
That's really where I stand with it.
As far as their motives are concerned, there was a fascinating paper published in Science Magazine in April of 1977 by two physicists, one of them named Michael Morris, that speculated that someone who could travel through space like that would have, would know practically everything.
And what they would be looking for as they traveled from place to place was novelty, something new, somebody new, somebody who could surprise them.
And if we can surprise them, then they will probably come here like bees coming to honey.
If you look at the hidden history of the development of propulsion devices and you stop and think that we're still flying around in jets, maybe we are dangerous and maybe we're being held back in some way.
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Take the long way to never see what you wanna see.
Take the long way to sleep.
Take a moment home When you're up on the stage It's so unbelievable Oh, unforgettable How they adore you Then your wife seems to think You're losing your sanity Oh, in the vanity Is there no way out?
From the Kingdom of Night, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Arbell.
Now, here again, it's our good morning across this great land.
It is so nice to be here.
I'm Arbell.
In the first hour, you heard from Pensamine author Whitley Screeber, author of Communion and so much more, and Vicky Lyons in Pensacola.
And they together deposited into our website Bank of Evidence a photograph of an object over the Pensacola area, a disc seen in broad daylight.
It is a snappy, very quick and dirty, snappy photograph taken from video, but there it is, folks.
More hard evidence.
Along with the photographs from Mexico that are up there that you've got to see.
Very, very serious evidence of visitation here on earth.
Coming up in a moment is Daryl Sims.
And Daryl Sims is a man who has very serious evidence himself.
Let's take a quick look at what's going on around the world.
In the Olympics, it might be worth noting that Canada has won a gold medal, but its recipient, Ross Rigblatti of Canada, apparently tested positive for marijuana after his win in the men's giant shlalom Monday.
And they have taken his gold medal away for testing positive for marijuana.
And that, you've got to sit down and think about that one a little bit.
Testing positive for marijuana.
Marijuana would not, in my opinion, give anybody an athletic edge of any kind.
In fact, according to the critics, it would do just the opposite.
So I wonder about his gold medal getting yanked for that.
The first American medal has been won at Nagano.
Johnny Mosley bumped and jumped his way to gold in the men's moguls.
And that is pretty much the news from Nagano.
I love the ice skating.
I watch every mole.
And by the way, a Chinese couple used the theme song from Dreamland to skate by.
Boy, was I shocked.
Iraq.
Iraq has the anti-aircraft missiles and other weapons to hit back against an American-led strike.
The commander of the U.S. aircraft carrier said Tuesday, the U.S. George Washington, one of two U.S. aircraft carriers now in the Persian Gulf, getting ready to launch warplanes if Washington should decide to use force.
Now, the list of nations saying no to the U.S. is growing by the moment.
The latest embarrassment, Qatar, even Qatar saying no, Saudi Arabia saying no.
Everybody is saying no.
And it looks like if we go, we're going alone.
Madeleine Albright and the administration are trying to spin this one as best they can, showing that we have some support, but I don't know where it is.
El Nino's latest incarnation was modest by last week's standards, did little damage in California.
But there's more on the way.
A moderately heavy storm, followed, I guess, then by another very heavy storm.
Two notes to drop on you at the beginning of the show here.
I'm sorry, this is coming every day.
There are tonight on CBC Radio News, that's the Canadian network, called As It Happens, we heard a segment about harp seals in Newfoundland that are leaving the sea in large numbers and heading off into the forests.
Old-timers say they have never seen or heard of anything like it.
No one knows why these animals are leaving the ocean habitat.
And then this, Beijing, China, Reuters.
A warming in water temperatures as a result of El Niño is suspected, underline, suspected, as a possible cause of rare whale beachings.
Now in southern China, fishermen found nine small whales that had run aground on a beach in the South China Sea island province of Hainan last week.
Of the nine whales found near the coastal town of Linding on February 2nd, three died, and the others were pulled back to sea by fishermen and authorities.
And this is an area where whales just don't beach themselves.
So, what's going on?
You tell me.
In a moment, a guy who concentrates on the hard evidence, Darrell Sims.
He has investigated the UFO phenomena for 34 years.
Now, listen to this.
He knew about implants years prior to the surgeries.
Daryl is a board-certified hypnotic anesthesiologist.
That simply means he's the guy who will put you under if you need surgery by only using hypnosis.
He is a master hypnotherapist.
That means he teaches and certifies people in hypnotherapy and his specialized training techniques for investigators.
He holds certificates in medical hypnotherapy and specialty areas of hypnotherapy.
He is a master level at NLP or Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
That's something the Vice President and Tony Robbins are interested in.
As a UFO investigator, Darrell has had the distinction of speaking to 250 surgeons and doctors in an AMA-sponsored program of continuing education concerning the topic medical complications of alleged human-alien contact.
Darrell is the discoverer of the fluorescence occasionally found on abductees.
This and other discoveries have led a number of doctors and scientists to you, most of them on a private basis.
Darrell brings to the table with him three years as a senior military police officer, a Korean National Police Officer, as well as under the Status of Forces Agreement.
While he was in Korea for a year, he was a volunteer for our country in the U.S. Army.
During Vietnam, he was taken out of the U.S. Army and quietly placed in the CIA for a two-year tour.
Darrell worked as a part of the military contingent bodyguard to Vice President Agnew when he came to Korea in the three flying Bordellos, helicopters as Darrell called them.
He was an escort and guard to Mr. Richard Helms, then director of CIA, of course.
Darrell had a top-secret clearance, and now that has been administratively removed to secret.
And by the way, for those of you who do not believe that, and Darrell has his detractors, we have posted the letter from the Department of the Army, the actual letter.
We scanned it and put it up on the website.
If you scroll down to Darrell's name and click on it, you will see it.
His outstanding credentials have been verified to me prior to the interview.
I've got his DD 214, as a matter of fact.
He's been on the program before.
He was here, as a matter of fact, last week with Dr. Roger Lear.
Well, some people find it difficult to believe that, I guess, that someone who was formerly in the Central Intelligence Agency for a couple of years would actually come out and admit it, number one, and two.
A military gentleman who is also part of the CIA, who is the leader of that particular group, there were three of them when I was in military police school.
And he was the one that interviewed me.
And I asked him for a long time, several times, what is it that you're finding here that you're interested in?
Because they never would tell us who they were.
They only assured us we'd never go to Vietnam and all that.
And I said, well, that wasn't the reason I volunteered.
That idea was to go to Vietnam.
And he never did tell me what the reason was, but I suspect it was red, white, and blue, and that sort of thing.
And testing and the other things they found, of course, they do an extensive background for a top-figure clearance.
Well, a lot of the stuff I did, of course, is still classified, and I can't discuss a lot of that, but I can tell you Did you sign an agreement?
Oh, yes.
You sign an agreement when you go in.
The interesting thing is I was flown on an interesting jet after the top secret clearance was made and flown to top secret Installation and in that place when the clearance finally was done, then I was, of course, awarded a particular rating for this.
And then these individuals finally brought me in and explained to me exactly, and several other people, where we were and smiled after they gave us the briefing and said, welcome to the Central Intelligence Agency, or as you will always refer to it as, the company.
I'm running some things through my attorney currently and will approach the United States government and see if what I can tell because I intend to put that in my book as much as I can of it.
During your two years in the CIA, is it reasonable to ask you or possible to ask you whether you were able to, let's see, how can I phrase it, were you able to confirm any of what you know to be true on the outside now with regard to the visitors?
My tenure with the, my short tenure with the United States area of the Central Intelligence Agency did not involve any alien phenomena whatsoever.
I did find some things that I found quite fascinating, and this is the real thing that I want to pursue with my attorney and see if I can get that released.
I mean, if Marchetti and Frank Agee and others can write some of the things they did that even got people compromised and even killed, Frank Agee did, surely then I can print some of the things that I feel like that the United States people ought to know simply because you're paying taxes for it and you ought to be aware of it.
I think, number one, if you divulge, and this is certainly no, I have no intention of slamming anybody here at all, but there are certain things I know that if I speak about, I will be picked up within just a few hours.
And it's just that simple.
How they do what they do, I don't know.
But I know if certain things I relay and cost the government a couple of hundred million dollars, I'm going to go to jail.
She says, you look for evidence, you look for the beings, you look for everything about them, you look for the way they think, the way they process, not just the abductees, but the beings themselves.
And she wrote an article entitled Alien Hunter, and that stuck, and later I trademarked it.
Well, Mr. Bigelow, when I was called to his location with Roger Lear, when he was going to evaluate his team of scientists as to whether or not they would fund our research for a period of time, asked the question.
He said, if these are evaluated and you find out that they're really alien in origin, what will that tell you?
I said, do you mean like if that aliens are really real?
And he said, yes.
I said, no.
I said, that would not be the proof for me.
I said, as for the alien presence being real, I said, I figured that out in 1952 when it was standing next to my bed.
1952, when I was three and a half years old, there was a creature standing next to my bed that, in fact, that literally just brought me back from the event.
And what was very strange to me in growing up is when I first started seeing these books and things and people's reports about these aliens having these almond-shaped eyes, I was real puzzled by that.
And I thought, people are probably making that up.
Because the beings I saw during that time, up until the time that my abduction stopped at age 17, they had very large round eyes.
They were very dark black the same way, but they were very round, which has led me to believe that it's very possible that what I was looking at was a Ford model, and what we have today probably is a Lexus.
They were exactly the same thing, except that they were not gray or tan as often people describe them or off-white.
These were the most brilliant white I've ever seen.
And it wasn't just when I was asleep, and it wasn't just some situation by which a person could say, well, you were in sleep paralysis and this sort of thing.
The fact is that I woke up the next day with a scoop mark on my leg at four years old, and I didn't have any kind of a cut or anything there, and it didn't make any sense.
And I actually remembered what it was they told me to think that it would be.
It was a completely carterized Wound much like the ones we're finding with some of the abductees that we're working with and some of the people that we've actually removed alleged implants from.
And what we found in those scoop marks was solar elastosis.
Solar elastosis, which confirms a lot of my work with a number of abductees as to them telling the truth, describing a scoop mark with a scoop with a device that makes a little noise and it has a light on the end of it and seems to cauterize the wound.
Well, that makes a lot of sense whenever you go look at the path report and you find that solar elastosis is there.
Solar elastosis means that that area, that scoop mark, that very smooth indentation, has actually been treated to an enormous amount of ultraviolet radiation.
Now, what was amazing is the two patients that we used in the surgeries on May 18th, 1996, both of them have very light white skin and they never go outside.
And yet they've been subjected to this solar elastosis only in that one little tiny scoop.
First of all, it's my view that I'm a Christian, and I think that there are all kinds of beings out there, angelic and otherwise, and so on.
And I think there are a lot of very good positive influences there.
I think that some of the things that some of these particular beings are doing are, if we had to apply a standard to it, of course, by our own, which I'm sure they don't have, it would be abusive and illegal, immoral.
I mean, beings that take you or your children or your wife or anyone out of your home in the middle of the night and rape them and do various things to them, as Whitley well knows from his first experience there, he's reported, is not very emotionally uplifting whenever they do things to a three and a half year old child.
Well, there are a number of things that I'm still getting testing on just to see if I can validate it because I don't consider my case that useful because there is not enough physical evidence to meet the standards that I've applied to other people.
But for me, I started looking at some neurological testing and other things that indicated to me that the so-called memories that I have are in fact true.
Some of the surgical and other procedures that were done, and they were not done for my benefit.
And I certainly don't apply this to everyone and say, my goodness, because something pretty rough happened to me, it had to be for you, too.
The news I've been getting lately about these beings is not good.
They've done a lot of things they ought not do.
And very truth.
And so I'm beginning to get very concerned as the prospect of contact, real contact, I think is getting very close with all of the daylight sightings and all the rest of it.
It's time to start really digging into what we're about to meet here.
Art, I think you couldn't have said a better thing, and I think you're wise to say that.
And I think it's foolish for us to welcome anything without knowing.
One of the things that concerns me is especially when people attack the military, I mean, I was in the military.
If I'd have known about horrific things going on that the military was doing or something, I would have been the first person out of the can to expose it.
And I'm sure there are a lot of people in there now that would as well.
And that doesn't excuse certainly intelligence community people that are doing some terrible things.
I'm working on and hoping through some of the work that I find with abductees that we'll find that, which brings up a tremendous question.
When I went down to Brazil, I met a horde of hypnotherapists, and of course they're all saying, well, let me tell you about my cases and what we do and all the stuff we found.
And much of the stuff was pretty much the same.
And I said, let me ask you a question.
Why is it that a lot of the information you're getting is pretty much identical?
You pretty much have the same belief systems.
Yet the information we're getting is different.
And finally, they asked me to explain it.
And I said, well, I said, you have to understand these beings leave something like a screensaver memory on the memory of the individual.
It's kind of like a computer.
Your screensaver is not the hard drive memory, per se.
It's not all the data.
You have to get past the screensaver.
I said, what you're doing is hypnotizing the screensaver, which is an installed, prepared, pre-digested memory for this person, which often is we're here to save the planet, fix the world, clean the ozone hole up, and so on, which they haven't done for at least 6,000 years.
And you have to get past that to be able to find out what's actually going on with these beings.
There's been an awful lot of TV coverage lately of adults who suddenly have memories of things that never actually occurred, molestations and so forth.
Things that a lot of people feel are instilled by the hypnotherapist.
Now, what I am concerned with, and this may chap some of my colleagues out there doing hypnotherapy, but one of the things That bothers me about hypnotherapy, the way it's often being done, is that a lot of these people don't understand the nature of hypnosis itself, and they don't understand, especially the nature of memory.
There's a difference between recall and memory.
You can recall a hallucination, but it didn't really occur, you see.
There's no physical event that anyone else ever saw.
But now, the memory that you recover is something different.
In other words, if we're working with you in a situation, which we've done, in a legal situation where you may have witnessed a crime or murder, this sort of thing, or seen the car and we hypnotize you and get the license plate off of it, that's not false memory syndrome whenever we can trace the person down, put the person in the event.
However, if you run up to me and say, oh, I think I saw that you may have seen this murder, you may have seen something and everything, and the hypnotist may hypnotize you and say, well, tell me what it's all about, and they tell you this Whopper, you have to know the difference between what these people are going through.
Some of the difficulties, for instance, the trauma that an individual may have from an event, whether UFO-related or not, can induce an installed memory itself to even protect the person.
You can have memories installed simply because the suggestions of the hypnotist, he just made errors in his questioning techniques.
And if the hypnotist is not skilled to know that, he will miss it and pick it up as memory.
And I need to really hit this hard in defense of a lot of hypnotists out there.
They're doing very fine jobs.
The majority of the people who are getting sued for this sort of thing, not the majority, all of them I know of, and getting multi-million dollar suits against them, are professional people.
Not the hypnotists, but in fact, the psychologists and psychiatrists who are leading these people on with this false memory that they're dredging up for these people.
It is because of the fact that if you have an agenda, let's say that you, and I have a friend of mine who's a psychiatrist who's been begging me to help him with some of his cases, and they are involved in this exact sort of thing.
And I assure him that, first of all, I don't even want to look at the cases because they're wrong.
Well, one of them is all these people are out molesting these little children.
I said, well, who are the people identified?
He said, well, it's very obvious, and we've got to be careful.
I said, who?
Well, he mentioned the president and several other people of the country.
I said, you mean they're flying out here just to molest these little kids?
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
I don't even want to know.
Now, this is obvious that someone has done some pretty bad work here.
But there, again, these are professional people.
And it's difficult for me to believe sometimes that some of these people's training is so poor that they don't know the difference between recall and memory.
Well, that's a wonderful question, and it certainly needs to be answered, and I'm glad to.
First of all, we never use hypnosis unless the person either, number one, ask for some particular reason for themselves.
And number two, if we're there's certain area that we want to probe and look into after we've already got the person's, they've already gone through all the testing, all the psychological tests, all the IQ testing, and all the other testing that we've agreed to do, which they must do if we take the case.
And second, then this is primary.
I should say this first.
The primary thing is these people that we work with, I only work with physical evidence cases.
If you don't have physical evidence, I don't handle the case.
Of those cases that involve hard evidence that you then go on to use hypnotherapy with, what percentage of those cases at the end of the day would you say are unambiguous, offer proof?
That, folks, is the sound of a broken telephone line.
These things occasionally occur.
Interestingly, these things more frequently occur when we have a guest talking of the kinds of things you're hearing right now.
Quite remarkable, I would say.
So we'll pick up Daryl on the other side of the news at the top of the hour.
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Now, updating you on a story with regard to the Canadian who has won a gold medal and has been disqualified for the use or let me rephrase that, disqualified for testing positive for the use of marijuana or marijuana present in his system.
We're finding now that the claim is that it was secondhand smoke, that he was in the presence of some people that were smoking marijuana.
But, you know, again, I want to say, why would marijuana, just as a matter of interest, pharmaceutically, why would marijuana be considered a disqualifier for a gold medal?
Most people, I think, in medicine regard marijuana as kind of a lazy drug that people kind of get laid back.
Certainly, it's not regarded as an athletic stimulant or a stimulant for the body.
So it seems to me that Canada is really getting screwed here.
I was not aware that a positive test for marijuana would disqualify one for a gold medal.
But apparently that has occurred.
One more item.
I would like to urge everybody, everybody to get to my website, ASAP.
See the photograph we put up there last hour.
It is a photograph of an object, an unambiguously clear object, in Pensacola, Florida.
In addition, we've got the Mexican photographs up there showing a craft passing behind a high-rise building in Mexico City.
Now, we are discussing, when we get back here in a moment, if we get him back with Daryl Sims, the reality of what's going on, what these creatures are, who they are, who they aren't, what they're doing to people, and what we can expect.
That's all coming up as we continue with Coast to Coast AM from the High Desert.
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Now, again, before we proceed with Daryl Sims, who is an alien hunter who is a hard evidence investigator, let me tell you once again, up on the website by Daryl Sims' name,
if you click on it, if you can get up there, you will see a letter from the Department of the Army, Office of the Adjutant General, U.S. Army Reserve Components Personnel and Administration Center in St. Louis, where all the records are kept.
You will see a letter that refers to Darrell Sims' top secret security clearance.
He was CIA, and the replacement of that by a secret clearance.
So for all of his detractors, we thought we would post this document for you to see.
Too many times on radio, you simply are unable to do that kind of thing for a guest, but we make that kind of proactive use of the web.
So there it is.
For any detractors, be my guest.
Go take a look so you know who you're listening to.
People always ask me if the CIA is watching me all the time and all that, and I say no, they're not, but they were for quite a while for some other reasons.
And I suspect that as we get closer and closer to real answers in ufology concerning hard evidence, in other words, out on the private sector, we're getting close to what they already obviously have, and then we don't have to rely upon them and come to our own conclusions and just have to deal with our ridiculous little debunkers and others out here.
I think that they're going to always be paying attention to that, of course.
Archie has struck the cord that got me the title Alien Hunter.
The lady was investigating a case we refer to as the mass abduction event of December 8th, 1992.
And let me back up just a little bit.
I came to one of my abductees.
I had about 75 at the time.
And she is what we would refer to generally really as a contactee.
She believes that her events, even though some of them may have been somewhat negative, that the guys are basically here helping us doing something good, but she doesn't know what it is.
And so I said, what I would like to do is to do an experiment.
I said, I was in the Central Intelligence Agency for two years and worked in the military police and so on.
And so with that background, I said, what I would like to do is install a post-hypnotic suggestion, installing in your memory a piece of information that I found that I think that if it is valid would upset them if they knew you knew it.
And I said, probably nothing will happen, but if it does, I would like to see if anything would occur.
We did three years of research, Dale, Musher, and myself, my senior investigator.
And after we gathered the evidence together, we did not hopscotch off of everyone else's work.
We took our own 75 people and came up with our own incredible stats of up to 33% of these abductees having rare drug allergies, which only 0.08% of the population has.
It's a fluorophore that it's not a phosphorescent thing.
It's a fluorophore that will only light up under the excitation of or the use of a black light brought next to it.
And what this basically means, we think, we can't prove this, of course, but we think what it means is that the individual in their abduction scenario has been touched by these beings and there seems to be an exuding of some kind of fluid like an oil or something that penetrates the skin on contact.
And it literally colors the skin with a fluorescence.
I've had several professors everyone would recognize them out there, ask about it, and they're very excited from England to the U.S. Daryl, there are some seaborne biological creatures that exhibit that kind of fluorescence as well.
What we're doing right now is taking 22 samples that we do have from abductees and testing them.
We have a biochemist, Evelyn, that does our work for us, and she is struggling as we all are because of the lack of funding to be able to really get out there and do what we need to be doing.
But in this case, to touch a little bit on the fluorescence and how I found it, one of the things that we found about cattle mutilations many years ago, it was reported that some of the cattle had fluoresced when someone accidentally got a black light near them.
And then some of the cattle that later fluoresced apparently were mutilated, which indicated that, if that story is true, that they in fact were marked.
Well, that's not how I found the fluorescence.
How I found the fluorescence, and this will be real good for our detractors and debunkers and attackers of hypnosis.
I found the first fluorescence finding from a young man who regressed back to the age of five to his first event.
And he kept crying because he said they don't like me, so I'm doing everything they want me to do.
And they kept crying and crying about why he just couldn't understand why they didn't like him.
And the funny thing about it was, for me, was that his father had painted a beautiful black light picture all over his wall as a child.
And he had a little black light there next to his bed because the kid was always afraid and he couldn't understand why.
Of course, aliens coming in your room at night picking you up.
Well, we can only guess, and of course this is why we have Evelyn doing the testing so that we can find out.
But it would seem to me, based on the evidence I have to date, that whenever these beings touch a person, that this liquefied or semi-liquid form material that penetrates our skin on contact seems to be exuded from them like something like sweat or something.
And what's amazing about this is I've found a number of different colors, and the colors correspond to exact abductee reports and the different reports.
And this is just absolutely thrilling find as far as I'm concerned.
You implanted the information and then installed amnesia in two ways.
I installed amnesia on both sides of her memory because if the being catches her, the very first thing they're going to do, they've already abducted her since she was three years old.
They know everything that woman ever thinks.
They know everything.
So if she has information about them that would be harmful, in my opinion, the particular information, if they found that, then it should cause some kind of reaction.
By that, I mean whenever she is going to, she can't remember, I can't allow her to remember what's going to happen because if she does that, they're going to catch that instantaneously.
So whenever they get her, if in fact the information is valid, which this is all hypothesis on my point, I have no idea whether it is or not, the important thing I want to do is install a block on the other side, just like they do us so that they can't find out who gave it to her.
I've often thought most of those people were aliens anyway.
Just kidding.
At least in some sense of the word.
Very strange.
The situation went on that on December 8th, 1992, my senior investigator and I were talking, Dale, and he looked at his fingernails and he noticed that they had started to grow over the last day or so very rapidly.
And he got freaked out because one of the things I've found with some of these people, not all of them, but some of them, is their hair growth and fingernail growth is remarkable during the abductions, only on some of these people.
In his case, it's fingernails.
He's having to trim his fingernails two and three times a day.
So he looks at his fingernails, says, oh my God, something's happened.
He said, regress me, let's see what's happened.
And he starts describing the most bizarre situation I've ever heard of how eight of these people, including this lady, of course, now if this, you can back up and see the story, she was the one that we used as the bait.
And if you weren't going to abduct me, who would you get to get the information from?
But my senior investigator.
Because he would ostensibly know everything that I know.
As we began to find out who was involved, as soon as we found out there were at least eight people involved, eight of our people, and there were several other people from other places.
What we found is that immediately they sectioned six of them off for whatever they were going to do with them, and then they took my senior investigator and they questioned him.
There are two beings that came on board that craft that are apparently quite high up.
The other little grays and I call them cosmic skinheads.
The grays and the browns, the doctor types, as you often know about.
And you ask about implants, I can tell you about that very well because I have a conscious memory of getting mine when I was 14.
And there was, in fact, in most of these cases where these people say, you know, I don't know what happened and it was okay and it was wonderful.
Whenever I hypnotize these people, if they will use this type of technique to get this type of memory, and you put this on video and they look at it, they were absolutely scared out of their minds.
He gets taken by one of the two higher-up beings that are there.
And in his event, he is questioned at great length.
And they produce a holographic image, in his thinking, of a human brain.
And they show it to him and ask him where, this being asked him where the human subconscious is.
Now, why in the world would I ask that if I already knew?
And when he said, well, you know, he's very methodical and very scientific, he tries to give him a reasonable answer, and the being gets very upset, to say the very least.
A Nordic, which is some people refer to as a human being-type being of this group, Walks over and grabs Dale's head and holds it between his fingers, his hands, looks very closely face to face with him, and looks back at the being sitting there and says, He's telling the truth.
And to give a little background on Dale, Linda Moulton Howell interviewed Dale once, and she says, in her opinion, that Dale is one of the clearest-headed people she's ever met in her entire life.
He can clearly tell the difference between his emotional state and the events that occur.
And this is the kind of qualifications that my senior investigator has in the eyes of someone like Linda Moulton Howell, if that carries any weight with anyone else.
So he's very, very clear.
He does not make things up or add to anything.
He also, the being asked him right off the bat, he wanted to know why I did what I did.
Now, that was amazing to me that they had an interest in that.
We found that out in several different ways as well.
The lady, on the other hand, is in another room meeting with another being of his ilk.
And because there seems to be a very militaristic infrastructure in this stuff, and the grays and browns that some of these people seem to like so well are actually on the lowest end of the food chain.
I gave a post-hypnotic suggestion to another one of the eight people who was there later, wanted a post-hypnotic suggestion to protect herself and her two children.
And so I did give her one under those conditions, and she actually assaulted the being that came in and tore his eye cup off.
Your guest is accurate all the way regarding the decoding of the screen memories to get to the truth.
Please ask Darrell if he's familiar with the latest scientific proof put forth in the book called The Threat by David Jacobs, Ph.D. The information in the book describes exactly what your guest is saying, and it is an understatement when I say it is frightening.
I met him for the first time in Brazil, and I was sitting in a bar.
I don't drink, but I do socialize.
And I was sitting there, and David had his book, and I read through a little of it, not much, because I didn't have the time, and I certainly didn't want to insult him by sitting there reading his book when I should be out buying it.
I know David Jacobs from that, and he watched my presentation, which dealt with the implant phenomena and a bunch of other physical evidence, of which I have videotapes at the end of this program I'd love to mention.
One of them called The Best Evidence Interview.
It's two tapes, and it's just chocked full of evidence you haven't even heard of.
It's a voicemail, and if they call the voicemail, they'll actually get my actual home phone number or office number, and then they can call from there if they have an interest beyond that.
But everything they need will be on this voicemail.
They will hear a message on there that will tell them everything they need to know about the videotapes that we have that are available.
And primarily something I would love for everyone to get, which is an implant and abduction information collection that I have, which is based on the book that I'm writing.
In other words, you can get a lot of this advanced information now.
Well, let me go a little further in the story and tell you why I believed the story, not because I hypnotized eight people independently and separated them, and they all told the identical stories.
The only thing different in their stories was they were all offered, I say offered, not given, offered a screen memory of their choice.
One lady wanted to see her dead deceased brother.
And she described him beautifully, except he had large black eyes.
Well, again, I say, any being that can do what these beings can do to us mentally, aside from somebody like yourself working for our side, what hope do we have?
Well, even as a four-year-old, I had an ability I didn't know.
And it's called resistance.
And what happened is I would not allow him to do that.
As he changed his image to me to look like a clown, his image kept changing back to what he really looked like because I wanted to remember him for what he was.
And I have never been deceived by the image of something else they've programmed.
You process something different than they do, than other people.
You're not necessarily smarter or anything like that.
I don't say that at all.
The second group of two things seems to be spiritual and psychical.
And in this, again, they're not after Billy Graham.
They don't want the brilliant and top people in spiritual things or the top psychics in the world, Gene Dixon or something like that.
They're not interested.
They're interested in how you process.
As if they're looking for a neural level of how you do differently than any other person.
And then the third level has to do with physiological or psychological learning abilities, in which you're either not taught anything or you're taught very little.
Now, when I presented this theory at Bob Brown's conference years ago, Dr. Carla Turner, a dear friend of mine, was sitting out there with her husband Elton, and they were listening to this, and a lady stood up in the middle of one of my detractors, actually stood up in the middle of the conference and just shouted, she says, prove it.
And I told her that I said, I fit in the last two categories.
It's not anyone being more intelligent than anyone.
And I just listed a host of things.
And finally, this lady got real ticked off.
And finally, I told her something else.
I said, the next thing I'm going to tell you, Sugar, I said, I taught myself how to walk over broken glass and fire in a martial art demonstration at New Mexico State University for the associated students with 250 people present.
It's on film.
I said, I'd be glad to show it to you if you'd like.
I said, in that particular demonstration, I'm transferring my ability to another person.
I'm a white belt at the time, and he's a black belt.
I said, that's all on film if you want to watch it.
And I said, now I have a question for you, young lady.
Most people think that we're here, they're here to, quote-unquote, they've improved this and they've done this or they've even made us.
I don't think that's the case at all.
There's an ancient saying in the Bible that says you were created wonderfully.
When you study that, you find out that in every biological sense, in every mental sense, that we are an incredible creation.
Well, the amazing thing about that is that when you find that you have 15 billion neurons and 150,000 miles of neural network inside your head, most of which you probably never used in your entire life, probably don't use over a few hundred feet of it, if you don't use your brain, somebody's going to probably do it for you.
Governments will, dictators will, and so will other beings from other places.
Well, the interesting thing about this is in the breeding program, some people, if you look at the breeding program that's going on and what's going on in ancient times from ancient literature, from, well, according to Sitchin, they basically bred people to be slaves.
I mean, that's not a very high or high ideal for mankind, even if that were true.
I totally agree with you that you should find out what happened.
I don't mean to imply to others out there, I have very many friends who are "contactees" and I don't mean to offend anyone.
Just because my events were different and others may have been radically different, different, I certainly don't mean to indicate that.
There are people who even have apparently been better off physically from some of their events as a result of their contacts.
We have a lot more cases where that was not the case.
Bob Pratt in his wonderful book, UFO Danger Zone, 30 years of work that he did of contacts that have been going on in Brazil, in the Amazon region, that have absolutely devastated those people.
We know of one case where the man's eyes were surgically removed, a case I'm working on now in Brazil.
I recommend that she find somebody, and I'm very careful here.
You find somebody that has skills that can do, number one, that understands the physical condition of the person involved through a doctor or a neurologist or whoever would be, and have them deal with that along that line.
I think that it would be wise to find out what actually happened.
And I mean, it's rather interesting that there's two separate views here.
The girl has a view that they're okay, and you have a view that something else is there, something a little frightening.
Calvin Parker and his friend had two separate views when they came off the craft, too.
One of them thought he had practically seen the face of God, and the other one came out with himself cut to pieces.
Because there is more, and I just will contact me there, I will be glad to spend enormous time with you and help you and try to get you someone or assist in any way I can.
I'm very interested in making sure that you get the help that you want.
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Yeah, because there is a communicative problem here.
Since he said he was a Christian during the beginning of the interview, has he ever considered that these creatures, in quotes, are of a demonic nature, may be perpetuating the story to satisfy their own end means?
Number one, I am a Christian, and I am, I hope, a pretty good Bible student, have been for many years, and I'm very interested in that and fascinated with it.
The second area I have to address is the fact I'm also an investigator.
Investigator does just that.
They find evidence.
They don't come to conclusions and then go looking for it.
But along that line then, from Hawaii, the following.
With the aliens possessing such advanced technical capabilities, wouldn't it be rather easy for them to create a false memory that we would be unable to unlock, even with hypnosis and regression, and that, in fact, the information Mr. Sims is bringing forth might just as likely be planted?
One of the things that was rather amusing in the mass abduction event is I had given Dale a post-hypnotic suggestion as well, that if he ever came into contact with one of these beings to take control of him the same way they do us.
And he did.
And it was amazing to me that the beings that were present giving the being instructions to get Dale out of the area, the being couldn't do it.
And the being was just shaking because Dale was giving it commands mentally the same way that they give them to us.
That suggests to me that the neurology of the beings, especially the smaller ones, seems to be very simplistic and very easy to maneuver.
The beings themselves, in my opinion, just based on what I'm finding, seems to have an enormous hierarchy.
The ones that we normally come into contact with and see are really low end of the food chain.
There's no question of that.
But to address back in the other direction for this other guy's question, for this person, there are a few cases where angelic beings apparently, or at least reportedly, and I have to use that term reported because we don't know, reportedly show up on occasion.
This is usually pretty rare when you hear these stories, but in cases where that has occurred, the alien presence, regardless of their rank or ability or whatever they are, they hightail it.
Now that, to me, signals some real interesting things if the story is true.
Well, there are resistance techniques that Andruffel and others have worked on, and others, and I'm working with a group of people now to explore this because it's important for me to be able to offer somebody, if they feel like they need defense techniques, to do just that.
I've Also, heard that they are not physically strong.
I've heard reports from a number of abduction cases, including Travis Walton, for example, where these beings have been punched or pushed and were punched and pushed very easily.
One of the things that one can do, and I'm going to give a list of them, and of course these are, as I said, I'm a Christian and I have ideas that I feel that are valid and certainly want to see those tested out there in the realm as well if it's going to happen.
By the same token, there are other people who made suggestions that I feel that should be exploited as well and see what works.
Some of them in existing here is some people have actually used prayer and some of these, I have to admit, are not Christians.
One lady who was a Buddhist priest told me she used the name Jesus and I asked her, I said, why are you using a resistance technique of the name of Jesus to, I mean, you are Buddhist.
And she says, well, I may be Buddhist, but I'm not stupid.
The most recent happenings are I will lie down at night to go to bed.
This has happened twice.
I'll lie down to go to bed, and I'll just be closing my eyes to drift off, and there will be a really brilliant flash of light.
And I open my eyes, and it's dark, and I go to sleep.
And then I have what I've come to call teaching dreams.
And I wake up without any memory of what I was taught.
But the one that stands out most clearly is just before I came to out of the dream, there was a being.
I couldn't see a face.
It's a voice that I heard inside my head.
I don't know if it was male or female, saying, we'll come back and we will talk to you at about 6 o'clock in the morning, I think it was, they gave it time, in the future.
So that's happened.
I've had dreams of like almost an invasion force with the spaceships and stuff, which could be anything.
It could be watching too much X-Files, only to find that three or four people the next day that I come in contact with have had almost identical dreams.
Many times when they pick up people in an area, they'll pick up several.
And sometimes they'll install the same, usually end-of-the-world scenarios.
In my case, when I was quite young, they gave me an end-of-the-world scenario, and I was standing there in the midst of a red sky.
I mean, people running, screaming insanely, and I'm standing there wondering, what's going on here?
The fact is, if you could shake yourself right then, you'll find that if you're in the craft or wherever it is they take you, that there is no end of the world or anything.
That, in fact, that's all a surrealistic image given by them, and you'll find them standing there watching you.
What I did encounter, what I did do while I was in the Central Intelligence Safety was investigate several UFO events that occurred, and I found out some other information indirectly that I want to get permission to be able to publish it.
Good luck because I think that it will tie into it.
But I didn't have direct contact myself.
What did happen in the Houston UFO Network meeting several years ago is a gentleman came and visited the meeting.
There were three of us speaking.
I was speaking that night on implants.
This was years before no one even knew what an implant was at that point, as far as aliens were concerned.
And I was speaking on implants that night and what I thought we would find.
And this gentleman wrote me a letter afterward.
And he identified himself as being in the Central Intelligence Agency.
He identified himself in an area very similar to where you're at.
He watched traffic come across his desk, and he saw something one day that absolutely frightened him.
And he told me about it.
Now, I didn't particularly necessarily believe his story, nor him claiming disability or having this information until he identified certain things that I knew that only agency people would know.
One of the things I found rather interesting is he told me about something that was going to occur and two things.
He said, number one, he said the area you're in and the area of implants, he said, you need to exploit as quickly as you can.
He said, you're there.
And I thought that was rather interesting.
This was years before we did any surgeries.
Number two, he told me of an event that was going to occur involving a zombie-like person.
And I thought, well, this has got to be the farthest out thing I've ever heard.
And shortly after that, he sent me an article shortly after he predicted this.
And he just said, it begins.
And it showed an article from the FBI of a person in a zombie-like state robbing banks.
He used no gun.
He didn't do anything.
He just walks in, tells you giving money, and everybody does, and they don't know why they do it.
I mean, here we've got something closing with a contact, some sort of cylindrical object.
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Well, to cut a lot of, make a long story short, this Syrian fighter pilot, evidently, he continued to close with this cylindrical object, and he kept describing it.
And about 15 minutes after he got visual sighting, he asked permission to engage.
Well, there was a lot of hemming and hawing between, evidently, the headquarters types.
But eventually, about 15 minutes later, he's been pacing this thing the entire time, they gave him permission to engage, and he locked on.
He got a solid radar lock with one of his missiles, and he released.
And three seconds after that, he went OTA, which is off the air.
I mean, his carrier was gone.
I mean, he was out of there.
Well, this is where it gets really interesting, because we were plotting where he was on our map, and he basically, he was not too far from where we were.
So, being that this was broad daylight, by the way.
And we finally did see a smoke plume, which we figured was about five clicks away.
So we figured, you know, what the hey?
We grabbed the Cut V and we all piled in, leaving a few people behind to sit on the thermite charges for the equipment.
And we rolled on over there, keeping an eye out because, you know, where we were wasn't exactly, you know, everybody was going to shoot at us, basically.
So they call it a free fire zone.
But we rolled over there and we found what we first we thought he'd just been shot.
So he fired, he got in an engagement, and he just was shot down.
We got closer to the wreckage and we noticed a lot of odd things, which the main thing was nothing was twisted.
The plane had evidently the smoke we'd seen was from the fuel igniting.
Yes, we had a situation in which literally 200 conscripts of the Iranian army on the second day of the Iran-Iraq war were all abducted at the same time.
Now, these are all professional people, doctors, lawyers, they're all officers.
The amazing thing about it is nine UFOs came over on the second day of the Iran-Iraq war, and they thought that what those things up there were were some secret objects that we had craft that we had sold the Iraqis to use against them.
So they started firing our Hawk missiles at them, and were not able to hit them.
And shortly after that, they abducted all 200 people present.
Absolutely amazing case.
We're still following it.
We have an Iranian general that is confirming some information.
I have a case with him I'm working on.
He was a major during the time of the Shah of Iran.
And he reports, based on interviews that Dr. Lear and I have done with him, that he may have had missing time during the time he was actually trailing a UFO in his airplane.
This lady, Darrell, called last night, and Ed Dames believes that he has found a Stargate, and she was able to identify the general physical location where he found it.
Very, very interesting lady.
East of the Rockies, you're on there with Daryl Sims.
Art, I think you're likening this situation to the Manchurian candidate may be more prophetic than you know.
I want to mention to your audience out there that there's a U.S. News and World Report article of January 24th, 1994, that may be very interesting in this regard.
I spent two years in the Central Intelligence Agency from 68 to 1970.
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Okay, because this article here is titled Cold War Guinea Pigs, the Government's Secret Experiments Using Radiation Mind Control Chemicals and Drugs on its Citizens.
And it goes on to the report, talks about how thousands, possibly thousands of people were worked on by the government under the theory that we needed to, because of the Cold War, they were given LSD, electroshocks.
I am familiar with this and that what you're saying is in fact true.
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So do you think this could something that I've just kind of gotten into recently is the whole issue of mind control for a very good movie would be Conspiracy Theory.
I think everyone should watch that.
Sure, I've seen it.
But how do you think this could be linked with the whole abduction phenomenon?
You bring up a very good question, and I'd love to address that.
First of all, we have several different layers in this abduction business.
One of the discussions that Carla Turner and I had many times was the military, quote-unquote, aspect of this.
In other words, these people would be abducted and there would be these guys standing there in military uniforms.
And my response to her is, well, I don't doubt that there are things being done in the intelligence community to some people.
I said, it is a known fact that LSD and other things were used on people and disease germs were spread over New York City.
I mean, these are facts.
I mean, the CIA and other groups got sued for this sort of thing.
It actually happened.
The situation I had with Candy or Carla Turner was this.
I said, some of the problems I'm having with some of the people, with these quote-unquote military guys standing there with their name tags and stripes on or bars or whatever they've got, is do you think that anybody in the military would be stupid enough to wear their uniform with a name tag on it if they were going to abduct you and it was going to be a super secret, ultra-secret, secret deal?
It would seem to me, number one, and because we've seen this with the abduction phenomena, with the alien, they will often install the memory of the military people present.
I mean, if you want to get your guns off of them and onto someone else, blame somebody else.
The possibility does in fact abduction exist, and if these beings can do strange things to the mind, human mind, therefore abductions may not have ever even occurred.
This is entirely possible.
The problem I have with that is this.
Number one, UFOs are real because they can be seen.
If they can be seen, they're reflecting light.
If they're reflecting light, they're real.
The event is real.
You're photographing something real.
Often you can photograph, and in one case in Gulf Breeze, a UFO changed color 118 times in a second and a half.
I talked to the expert, Jeff Sino, who studied that photo.
The fact is that something is there.
Some kind of craft is actually there.
The beings are, in fact, really real.
I'll be receiving a photograph within a few days which alleges, and a very good friend of mine says that you'll see a craft here and you'll also see two beings in it.
If that's the case, that would be rather interesting to study to see.
Something clear enough that you can actually see the beings sitting inside the craft, apparently.
And I've got several other photographs that I've got some photographs that are just going to blow your mind when you see them in the book being pictures of the aliens.
It is my opinion that what we're going to see if we ever really, quote-unquote, photograph one up close and we ever get it done, and it can be done, because I've got some techniques that I'm going to work on.
Here very soon, I've got a benefactor who said they would even help finance this project.
But I think the beings can actually be photographed.
I think you can actually photograph the abduction experience and not even let them know it.
And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact is they can read, they examine your thinking before they get there, and they know what's in that room because they know what you're thinking and what you've set up.
I think the thing that we need to be looking at, I think the implant thing is certainly a serious thing, whatever they may be.
But I think what's really important is that we need to find out what this breeding business is.
Everybody has different ideas about that.
I don't really care what the theories are.
I really care about what the data really will suggest.
And let me preface that by saying this, that when I talk about these screensaver memories, this illustration I use on your computer, we have found as many as three layers of screensavers before we ever really got to the real memory of what happened in that event.
And that individual did not know the difference between any of those three.
And if the hypnostist doesn't know that, he'll go to one or go to two or the third or whatever.
And whatever he pulls out, he'll consider that the big one.
My one question to Mr. Sims is not discounting the creation theory with God and not discounting that, but what is his opinion that maybe we were seated here,
brought from another place, seated, and now the results of the abductions and everything are just basically results of them checking up on us and following up on their research to see how we're progressing as a whole.
There was a genetic engineering that occurred there.
And it is significant that not only did the beings that fell, and Sitchin uses the term the ones who came down, but that's not the actual Hebrew term.
It means the ones who fell.
I mean, they were thrown out, is what it means.
And if you take the biblical position, which I do, that these beings were thrown out, they came here, they apparently interbred with women and produced giants.
That was just the first genetic offspring that occurred.
This occurred actually after the children of Israel went over to the land of Canaan.
They found the giants also there.
They found several races of them.
But my point is this.
If you follow that story further over into Isaiah, you'll find that when these giants were drowned out by the flood and so on and killed off and so on, they did not, in the Christian thinking and Arabs and others, many of them feel the same way.
When you die, you go to heaven or hell or whatever.
The Nephilim, the races of giants or those that were innerbred, they didn't go anywhere.
They stayed here.
And this kind of answers some of the questions some of these people are bringing up.
These are the demonic spirits that people talk about.
The demons are not the aliens.
It says that the Raphim, which is one, it's a generic term for the Nephilim.
The Raphim shall not rise in the resurrection simply because they're already here.
They didn't go anywhere.
They're still here.
And those are, in fact, the cases of demon possession you find.
That is not mental illness or anything like that.
I saw two bona fide cases of demon possession in Korea.
I never saw anything like it.
I mean, I took a senior course in psychology my freshman year.
Out of 18 different areas of psychopathology, they didn't fit any of them.
He's referring to a NASA announcement that was made back on the 9th, a memo indicating that funding for all manned projects, manned spaceflight, off-planet, beyond low-Earth orbit, had been canceled.
If we take this gentleman's position, it wouldn't be a wise thing to do because if we're not going to the moon anyway, we should be stealing the money somehow.
And I was abducted when I was five years Old that I remember.
I didn't remember, but it was brought up in hypnosis.
And again in 1967 at a military installation in the desert in California.
And when we were returned, we reported, or I did, maybe I was the only one taken because the only thing I can figure, reported it to my platoon sergeant.
And I was informed that he and other people out there had seen these things.
This place was Hunter-Liggett Military Reservation in California, the Mojave Desert.
And I was told to keep my mouth shut, and I said no.
I wanted it on record.
And it was put on record with my knowledge that if I didn't keep my mouth shut, I'd go to the psycho ward, which I did.
And then I was drummed out of service.
But anyway, when I was on this thing, there was five of them, I encountered what I took to be an angel or a deity of some type or sort because of the way I was just overwhelmed with abundant love and this thing was just so radiant it was a light source.
And I've heard that's the way angels come sometime as an energy source or a form of energy.
And I just wondered what your guest, if he's heard anything about these things, and if he'd like to contact me later, he can do so.
My general information for people, if they're a Christian, the statement that they need to know if they're having abductions is greater is he that is in you than is in the world.
And for them, they'll understand that.
But for people who are not, they're going to have to find something that will benefit them or help them if they want these abductions to stop.
I think where a lot of people are messed up on this issue is they're confusing demons, which are very real, in my view, for the alien.
The alien is not a demon.
It is something very real and very well used of whatever is going on, of whatever's behind it.
And what all that is yet, I don't know.
That's what the investigative part is still working.
But as far as I think a lot of people are confusing some of these issues, and one of them is a good illustration of this, many abductees will report that they were overwhelmed by love of the being next to the gray being or the doctor type that was standing next to them.
And if you get someone that really knows what they're doing hypnotically, and it doesn't have to be hypnosis, I mean, there are different ways to do this.
You don't need hypnosis to do this sort of thing.
You can recover a lot of good memory without hypnosis at all if you know what you're doing.
But basically, this is a program.
The being will put his eye, large black eye, right next to your face, next to your eye.
And in about a quarter of a second, he'll program that entire event.
And that's what you'll be left with.
The problem is you don't know what really happened.
Well, the last abduction experience I've never told anybody.
That's why the lady that I gave the post-it my suggestion to, when she told me, described my last event, why I stood there with my hair straight up.
And the reason is because no one knows about that event, and my wife doesn't even know the details of it.
And yet this woman described every aspect of it.
And I even asked her, is it, you know, because you think you're psychic or what?
And she said, no.
She said, I just overheard what they were thinking.
So in my event, in all of my events, from me personally, and as I keep saying this, if I could do, resist to some degree this at four years old, you can do it at 40.
The last event that occurred, the five beings were there, literally, and this is why people say, you know, well, it must have been a bad dream or something.
No, because the lock on the door was broken.
But after they left, and they left a physical object, which I will report about in the book, of course, and which I still have.
And the remarkable thing about the event is I was physically picked up and violently thrown around, and the event was just absolutely horrific.
I went to my girlfriend the next night, and it started to get dark, and I became so phobic I couldn't stand it.
I mean, you just know they're coming back.
And I went and told my girlfriend of, I mean, I just thought the world of her, and she's as fine a lady as you ever want to meet.
And she looked at me, and of course, you got to realize you're telling somebody about abduction.
And I'm telling her the truth, Marta, I said, I've got to tell you something.
This is imperative that you understand.
It's important that you believe me.
This just kills abductees to do this.
You go out, you live the secret life.
You can't tell anybody.
And then you do, and then you get this.
And she looked at me and said, you've had this terrible, terrible dream.
That was her first mistake.
Second thing she did was take me to the guy Who I was doing scientific anomaly studies, which included UFO work when I was 16.
And he listened to the story, and he said, Daryl, he said, when they land, they're going to land on the White House lawn and give the president some kind of gift to study life from another world.
And this man's a psychologist.
I said, my friend, I said, it isn't going to happen that way.
I saw the movie, and it's not going to work like that.
Whatever it is that we think these beings are, or whatever it is we think that's going to happen, it's not going to be anything like we ever dreamed.
And whatever they're doing, and whatever they did to me, I suspect they've done to others.
The so-called 007 types and so on that do the various different things.
And yes, I did meet some assassins while I was there.
They actually did exist.
The Cold War has changed a lot of things during that time, and then a lot has changed since then.
The thing that troubles me, and there again, you know, it'd be kind of stupid of me to tell you I was spying on you and then come out here and try it, especially when I'm out here talking that because I believe we need an intelligence community.
I think that's a necessary thing.
I think it's gotten so big, it's so out of hand that it's violating every right that we have right now.
This whole thing is so out of hand, we better stop it.
And you worry about aliens, I'm more worried about that sort of thing.
I mean, they own the internet.
I guarantee you, they can, they say, well, do they tap my phones?
They can listen to you without the phone being lifted.
I managed to wake up one morning in the middle of kind of a bizarre dream, and I actually made some sketches and took some notes down.
It was really kind of a, I don't know, where should I start here?
All right, I made a little sketch of the room.
It was a strange laboratory type setting with a blue luminescent light, kind of a, like Tesla's high-frequency discharges, his rendered intensely luminous like wires and stuff like that.
And what happened is there was like first notes here I've got are left brain angel and right brain angel scans.
There was a mold of my skull, a strange scan of the skeletal structure, blueprints of existing form of my body in this type of thing.
And what kind of struck me the most, I mean I made the most notes about it, this was back in about 95 or so.
And it was a left and right angel scan of brain.
And there was an out-of-the-ordinary request by one of the subordinate entities.
And anyway, they went through with like a standard type of probe that was to no avail.
And I guess that stimulated the out-of-the-ordinary type request.
And it was just what I'm kind of getting at here is I'm curious about who's out there who's had just the dream type stuff.
I don't think I've actually been taken up anywhere or anything like that.
There are certain senses and there are ways to check these people.
Of course, the problem is it takes enormous amounts of time to do this.
But there are techniques that we use consciously, not hypnotically, but consciously, which can determine whether people are hallucinating or not in different levels.
And there again, this is what he recalls in the beginning.
And it seems to me, and there again, I would be completely guessing here, but we do see abduction events where the individual will start off with very negative events and they'll end up positive.
And what's happened when you work with this person, there again, it depends on who's doing the work, if you study that person, and I'll give an example of this, you'll find that many times that the person is finally at some phase, they've fallen under the spell, so to speak.
And they now accept the screensaver.
Case in point, one of the top psychics in this country, at least in their viewpoint, asked me to do the hypnotic work on them in reference to their abduction.
My response was, why in the world would you want a piece of trash like me doing that sort of thing if you're getting information from the inner planes and inner dimensions and all kinds of stuff and all kinds of super beings are telling you everything?
What in the world would you want somebody like me doing any kind of work with you?
And they said, please just do it anyway.
I said, the agreement is this.
If you will admit to whatever we find is true, if we find it's the interdimensional beings, then that's what we'll both say.
If it's something else, we'll say that.
The answer was, I agree.
Long story short, as soon as I knew that person was in memory, popped them into the event, bang, they were on the table with 17 other little girls getting gynecological exams, screaming and crying.
She says, but I don't understand.
They never told me any of this.
And we talked there for a long time.
And finally, the lady cried and cried and says, tell me what's going on.
And I said, it's not my business to tell you.
That's up to you to decide.
I can't make you an abductee or not one.
That is not my business.
And I said, well, it just says a personal thought, and that's all.
And she says, what's that?
And I said, I think the beings that are from the inner planes telling you all the amazing information.
I can comment to that and tell you some rather remarkable things.
My prediction, as I did with the implant business, I'm going to tell you some predictions I think we're going to find in this arena when we finally get our act together.
First of all, you're going to find, and I have one lady that has agreed to go through the entire process because she claims she's getting impregnated every year.
Well, the problem is she has her tubes tied and has been checked by a gynecologist, and there's no problem.
But she still gets pregnant every year.
And then that fetus disappears in the first trimester.
I said, so what we're going to do is find out your husband's not the daddy.
Well, that's not going to surprise these doctors.
But what's really going to happen if we can get to that fetus before they come to get it and we can do an amicetesis, we're going to find out that probably you're not the mommy.
That's the sugar.
You're just the incubator.
I said they're using the eggs and sperm of other people.
The physical evidence of your event suggests something else.
I mean, I don't know that you didn't get up and fall and hurt yourself or whatever, but what I'm saying is, and I agree totally with Art here, that something else has happened there.
Well, it'll be interesting to see what they do when they re-air it.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
Hi.
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Yes, Art?
Yes.
I've got a question.
I had, this is kind of amazing.
I was eight, seven or eight, and this was in 1957 or 58.
We had two people who used to appear in our room and just look at us.
And I would sit up and be completely wide awake.
And about seven, eight years ago, my brother come back from Nevada to visit.
And he goes, you know, Pat, the aliens live in our closet.
I never knew he'd seen these people.
And I used to be afraid of that room.
So we moved downstairs into a little offshoot from a living room.
And I woke up, and I was sitting up just wide awake.
And a guy stepped into the entryway of this large doorway with a military uniform on.
And I got scared, so I screamed.
My folks came out and stuff.
And that was in like 58 or whatever it was.
And then in 1969, I was in Texas.
And I was kind of into auras and energies at that time.
And this same person that came into my room in that military uniform, come around a corner of the booth and pulled his hands apart so you could see this light.
And I got back to Minnesota here.
And I was sleeping upstairs just staying at my folks.
And I was totally, I could think clear as a bell, but I couldn't move.
And I was just going to have my brother pull my legs out so I could relax better.
And I guess I'd like to suggest maybe this, I don't know how dangerous this would be, but maybe trying to actively read the thoughts of the aliens.
Because if someone can overhear them thinking, then I would say maybe their strength in programming us is probably also their weakness in that they have an opening into that process.
And during a dream, what about if you wake up and your stomach has gone away, and that's the reason that you wake up, because you've either fallen off a cliff, ridden off a cliff, or accelerating upwards in an elevator, or accelerating downwards in an elevator, that sort of thing?
Well, what we've had in some of the abduction scenarios, the reason some of the people knew that something physically really happened is they were actually dropped on their bed.
When they have a water bed, that tends to shake, and it really wakes you up big time.
You're still sloshing around, and you can't figure out why is the bed flopping up and around you, you know, as if you had been dropped from a height of four or five feet.
Hey, Darrell, I was going to ask you, you hadn't brought it up in your appearance here tonight, if you had done a chain reference on the Sons of the Giant, do I have a...
And I understand your problem with Chuck's description that indwelled with the Holy Spirit believers cannot be abducted.
I do think, though, that that's one of the reasons that you've heard the reports of angels, because he said that he would place his holy angels in charge over thee.
And I think one of the ways to best address this is from a Christian point of view, because a lot of people don't understand this because they keep saying, well, you must not have really been a Christian if you got adopted.
We have children.
I have cases of people, children two months old being taken.
I mean, these people have never made any decision one way or the other about anything.
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But I also have a problem, Daryl, with your flat-out statement that these beings are not demons, because it's evidence in the scriptures that all kinds of flesh can be inhabited by a demon.
But what we're dealing with here is something that is not demonic.
I'm not saying that they're good or their intentions or their intentions to me are very questionable.
I don't care who they are.
But what we're dealing with here, and there again, we don't have time to go through anything like this here, but if you want to email me and talk to me on email at daryl at hallman.net, I guarantee I'd be glad to debate the issue with you, and we've got a lot of things in common.
And if you want to do that in the near future, I've got a gentleman that has some inside information on the incredible satellite information that will, I think, actually prove our abduction phenomenon.