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Feb. 10, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ufology - Derrel Sims - Whitley Strieber - Gulf Breeze UFO

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across this great land.
		From the beach and Hawaiian Island chains in the west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
		Good morning in St. Thomas.
		In the South American North, all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
		This is post-to-post a.m.
		I'm Market.
		And it's great to be here this night.
		We have a lot to do, folks.
		We're going to start the hour off with Whitney Streeper and Vicky Lyons.
		And we've got a photograph on the internet for you that you can go look at right now.
		We're going to be replacing it with a higher quality photograph shortly.
		It is of the Gulf Breeze area, and it is of a UFO, no question about it.
		And we're going to get the story that goes with that photograph shortly.
		But make your way on up to my website right away if you are computer handy.
		It is www.artbell.com.
		That's www.artbell.com.
		Then, in the next hour, we're going to talk with Daryl Sims.
		We heard from Daryl with Dr. Lear.
		Daryl didn't get to say a lot during the course of that first interview.
		And Daryl has been prominent in ufology, the hard fact-gathering part of ufology for a long time.
		And there are his detractors who suggest that he is not what he says he is.
		And we are going to disprove that tonight.
		If you go up and you look at Darrell Sims' name on the website, you will find just next to it that you can click on, a letter from, let's see, is it the Department of Defense?
		I think it is.
		Department of the Army, actually, Office of the Adjutant General, showing the moment when his top secret clearance, which he absolutely had, was converted, replaced, canceled, and replaced with a secret clearance.
		And that letter is on the website right now.
		I suggest you take a look.
		Just in case you're curious, he also included a copy of his DD 214.
		We're not going to post that.
		So for Darrell Sims critics, a moment of hard reality, which he enjoys serving up.
		Just a couple of quick notes.
		One, a major announcement of national significance that's going to blow your mind is going to be made Wednesday, 5 o'clock on our brand new affiliate in Las Vegas, Hot Talk 1051.
		It'll be the Jim and Julie Show.
		And this is for a very, very real reason, this announcement.
		So I would say stay tuned.
		tomorrow at five and tomorrow night we'll tell you what it's all about you you you you Well, all right, now to San Antonio, Texas, the best-selling, million-selling bestseller author.
		We'll get it out.
		Whitley Striber, Communion, so much more.
		Whitley, welcome to the program.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Glad to be back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
		And what is the occasion, Whitley?
		What's happened?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Something really interesting is happening really in two places.
		I'm just going to talk briefly about Phoenix, and then we'll go into Gulf Breeze.
		In Phoenix, as you know, there have been a long rash of sightings.
		Recently, a former member of the city council has come out for re-election on a platform that she is going to demand disclosure.
		At the same time, in Phoenix, there have been a number of remarkable new UFO sightings, some very well-documented ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Almost as if there's a response.
unidentified		Now, leave that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be, of course, Frances Emma Barwood in Phoenix.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Frances Barwood.
		Let's go now down to Gulf Breeze.
		In the past month or month and a half, I've been traveling around the country off and on with a photographer, Tim Greenfield Saunders, to various UFO hotspots.
		We've been writing an article and doing a photographic story for Life magazine.
		We got to our last hotspot, Gulf Breeze, the UFO sighting capital of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The site of the incredible Ed Walters material, which was roundly debunked and turned out a few months later to be almost indisputably true when a video was made by a couple from Houston of the same object flying over the area in broad daylight, which was hardly noticed, of course, in the media, but I think most of your listeners know about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how somebody like yourself gets lucky enough to travel the country to UFO hotspots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a hard life.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It was fabulous.
		It's incredible what's going on out there, Art.
		I mean, we have no idea the media blackout on this subject is concealing one of the most fantastic, deeply disturbing and wondrous things that has ever happened in the history of this species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and there's more and more of it.
		I did a show with Darrell Sims and Dr. Lear the other night.
		Stupendous show.
		I hope you got to hear a little bit of it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, you were talking a few minutes ago about Darrell Sims, and I would just like to say in his defense that I have known him now for a couple of years, and I've never seen anything out of Darrell Sims except a really sincere effort to do something very hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's looking at hard evidence, Whitley, and so they're coming after him like crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he's got the documentation.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		He's also a very, very skilled hypnotist.
		He's quite good at it.
		They say he's a certified hypnotherapist.
		He's one of the best I've ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, here you were in Gulf Freeze.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Gulf Freeze.
		It's the last of the five shoots.
		It's the last few minutes of the last shoot.
		And I'm standing there on the beach with the people from Project Awareness who have kept the sightings in Gulf Freeze alive for years and have become absolute experts in documenting these sightings.
		They're really, really well organized at this.
		And I'm thinking to myself, gosh, you know, I've been working on this for 10 years.
		Tim's been joking with me about the fact that we've been all over the country and the UFO has never showed up.
		This is the last shot.
		The group of people we're taking photographs of are standing on the beach.
		None of them have seen the UFO over at this beach in years.
		And Tim is pointing his camera at them.
		It's the evening.
		And he casually points over his shoulder and says, look in that direction.
		And they all start yelling.
		I turn around, and there, hanging at about 20 degrees above the northern horizon, is the most incredible garnet red light, about three-quarters the brightness of Venus on a bright night.
		Just hanging there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just hanging there.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Unexplainable.
		Beautiful.
		I mean, this red color was as red as the color on a light on a top of a water tower and as bright, but more beautiful.
		And you could see under it because it was the evening, and it wasn't pitch black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you had some depth perception.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we're all startled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this thing's hanging in the air.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think to myself, could that be a helicopter?
		Because there's helicopters with red running lights.
		I don't see anything about this.
		I'm just waiting to see.
		The object moves.
		I believe it rose, and then it moved to the right, hung there for a while, and then it starts to come slowly, much more slowly than the airplane.
		We see planes flying past all the time.
		It's a very clear night, and there's a lot of air traffic around there.
		It begins to move toward us until it is directly overhead.
		And it just sits there.
		And I'm telling you, Art, I've seen in my life, I always joke that I've hardly ever seen a UFO except from the inside.
		And I have seen three objects in my life that could have been UFOs, but never anything as long-term as this.
		This was really amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		I've had the same experience.
		It changes you.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It changes you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so amazing.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And my wife saw it really for the first time, and we were awed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you were thankful for that after all these years.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		After all these years, I really was, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, honey, I'm really not crazy.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		So I stood there looking up at this thing, which is hanging there.
		I could see the constellations just beyond it in the sky.
		I could see the Pleiades primarily.
		It was right under the Pleiades.
		It was right, in other words, at the top of the sky.
		A little bit of cirrus or something floated past it, and after that, it was just gone.
		Never flew away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you had guys with you with cameras.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They took a beautiful picture of it, too, which I hope will appear in the magazine.
		I talked to them today, and they're still deciding whether or not they want to run the article.
		I think they're delighted and amazed, but I think a little bit overwhelmed because they're supposed to be UFO skeptics.
		I mean, this is the Northeastern Media Establishment talking here.
		But they're wonderful people, and I'm sure they're going to find a way to get me to write something that they think their readers will be interested in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but they've got photographic evidence.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They have a photo.
		It's not hard evidence, not as hard as the Ed Walters pictures, because there's no detail.
		It's a lovely shot of this object of, and Tim Greenfield Saunders, the photographer, told me it captures the red color of it beautifully.
		It's a time exposure.
		So it's just basically a streak of red light, and you can see the dunes and so forth.
		But I'm sure it's a beautiful picture, and I would love to see it in the magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the picture that I saw, the one that we've got up there right now, what is that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That is from the end of the story.
unidentified		This is just the first stage of this story.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's why we're on the air.
		I wouldn't come to you with what, to many of your listeners, would be a mere light in the sky.
		I mean, I'm talking to crows out there.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What we've got up there, folks, is a daylight shock.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		A daylight shock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of a UFO.
		It's remarkable.
		It's not, of course, the best quality.
		We're going to get a better quality one up there here shortly.
		But look here, this is a very, very, very serious photograph from Gulf Reese.
		It's daytime.
		There's reference.
		You can see the thing is off the ground, off the water, actually.
		I mean, this is pretty serious.
		You're taken from video, folks.
		That's nappy you've done very quickly.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		This video, that sighting started a whole wave of sightings.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The next night, we were out on the beach again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is February 7th, folks.
unidentified		Right, right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It just happened.
		Right.
		We are.
		No, no, it's a week ago.
		It was January, last weekend in January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the camera misdates it there.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, the camera's correct.
		This is still happening.
		That just happened on the 7th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this, I'm talking about a week before.
		This has been going on all week down there.
		Anyway, this is now, I believe, the night of the 31st.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We're out on the beach again about 7.30.
		We see it again.
		Same area.
		20 degrees above the horizon in the north.
		Red, bright, beautiful light.
		Everyone's very excited.
		But this time, there are people watching all over Gulf Breeze.
		And Vicki Lambs can tell us about whether or not they succeeded in triangulating this and getting its altitude and so on and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do you want me to bring her on?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's bring her on now and go on with the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vicki, hello there.
		Vicki?
		Oh, wait a minute.
		Let me push the button here.
		Got to do that.
		Vicki, hello.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Vicki?
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Pensacola, Florida, just three miles from Gulf Breeze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three miles from Gulf Breeze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Whidley, be my guest.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Vicki, let's talk about the second night.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You and the Project Awareness people and myself and my wife are back out on the beach.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		One of the most interesting aspects of the whole thing was the fact that we went to a darker part of the beach so that we could see better.
		And we just barely got our chairs out on this boardwalk, and this object appeared immediately after we all gathered.
		And now we have two other witnesses that have come forward, having seen it in the western part of Pensacola.
		We have another set of witnesses that was viewing the object at the very same time that we were in northeast Pensacola.
		So we had a perfect triangle because we were at the beach from the south.
		So we had viewings from the south, the north, and the west, a perfect triangle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had a triangulated, actually.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		We are working on that.
		Right now, we think that our particular sighting was at the beach, we probably were at the longest distance away from the object.
		The other people seemed to be only maybe a mile or two away from the object, whereas we were the furthest away at about 10 miles.
		And again, you have to understand, too, Arth, that this object that Whitley is talking about is not just an object that has suddenly appeared.
		This object has been around Gulf Reese for years, and it has done some amazing things.
		Sometimes there are four or five of these.
		Sometimes other lights come out of these objects.
		And we've had two witness reports where there have been black disks above these red lights.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They have video which they have showed me of these amazing sort of flickering lighted things coming down out of the bottom of this.
		And I must say that later that night on about 9.30 or 10, my wife and I were being taken back to the hotel by some of Vicky's friends, and the driver saw two white squares in the sky.
		I saw them, but only just so briefly I could just see a sort of white blur.
		A moment later, something hit the top of the car hard.
unidentified		What?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Swam!
		We stopped the car.
		We found nothing.
		There was no mark on the car, but I mean, it was really a loud noise.
		And I thought to myself about these things that they've seen dropping down out of these UFOs, I wondered if we were hit by one.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		These objects have covered.
		They've covered in the past, too.
		And sometimes, one of the most remarkable things that ever happened involving these lights, Art, was in March of 1992, we had a group of more than 30 witnesses out on the beach, and we wanted to do an experiment.
		So we shined some very bright lights up at four or five of these objects, and they blinked back.
		And that was the point when I know I had the feeling like you have been talking about, you and Whitley earlier, where you feel almost a change come over you.
		I knew there was something very unusual going on.
		But we've had multiples of these, and they move against the wind.
		They never make a sound.
		They're just extraordinary objects.
		And at times, we've been lucky enough to see these objects in a ring so that we think we're looking at an actual object with a ring of lights around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do either one of you have any idea why Gulf Breeze again and again and again?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		So I feel that it's publicity.
		I'm serious about that.
		I think that we are getting ready to ramp up to another level of question.
		The general public has had the question for years, is this real?
		Is this real at all?
		Those of us who have seen UFOs or had close encounters have a different question, of course.
		But in general, that's the question.
		I think the question that the general public is going to be asking a year from now is, what is going on here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's what this is all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Whitley, Vicki, hold on a moment.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Once you've had your own experience, then you go from being objective to becoming an advocate because you've seen, you've been there, you know.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
		Coast to Coast AM.
		From the Kingdom of Nive, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Now, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Are we being visited?
		Can you believe your own eyes?
		I have Whitley Streeper and Vicki Lyons with me this evening in the first hour.
		And they've got a photograph on the website you have got to see.
		It was taken at Gulf Breeze.
		It is a daylight photograph.
		It is a quickly grabbed image, and we'll get an improvement from a video camera.
		And I don't know, you tell me.
		Your eyes, their photograph, their story.
		What do you think?
unidentified		Ha ha ha.
		Ha ha.
		Ha ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, once again, best-selling author Whitley Striber, Communion, so much more.
		And Vicki Lyons.
		And for the two of you, I am long past the are they here kind of question anymore regarding sightings.
		I mean, I just, that threshold was passed a long time ago.
		Now we're getting more and more hard photographic evidence of these whatever they are.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Whatever they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you've got to kind of wonder, and I guess I would ask you both, what for the ufology community and for the world in general is going to be the next step?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, personally, what I'm going to do, I think that there is a response of some kind to publicity taking place right now.
		In other words, previously the visitors were very furtive.
		They hid, they hung back.
		Now, all of a sudden, it's changing.
		We have the Mexico City video.
		We've got some new video from Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, would you comment, by the way, on the August 6th or 9th sighting?
		I can't recall.
		We've got those on the website as well, and they're staggering.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They're staggering.
		Well, I've been down there and investigated the area with Jane Lassan and another investigator.
		And I have also worked with the video here in San Antonio at a video lab doing some examinations of it.
		And I think we've determined conclusively, along with Jim De Latoso Village Labs in Tempe, that this is not a fake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		This is a real, entirely real video.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And I can also tell you that it's been of interest to some physicists who are working on advanced propulsion technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
		the minute i put video up on the website everybody in the world goes to work on it with every kind of uh...
		uh...
		software program they've got and all the reviews coming back on the mexico city stuff it's a product You betcha.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think it's beyond question at this point.
		You know, that video, Jaime is going to be showing that video at Gulf Freeze at the Project Awareness Conference, which is starting, if I'm not correct, on the 20th of March.
		It has not been shown, I don't believe, yet on television in the U.S. But what I was getting at was this.
		I think that those of us who are interested in seeing if we can get closer to this thing, and now I know there are a lot of people who don't want to do that, and I personally always advise caution.
		But I think that the more public it becomes, the more of a response there's going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me hit you both with a question.
		All right.
		Generally, most of the people who have told us stories about these craft suggest that the manner of communication with them has always been telepathic or possibly light signaling, as Vicky has talked about.
		And what do you think of the advisability of getting my audience together?
		I've done this on more than one occasion, did it just before the Big Phoenix incident, and actually trying to have some sort of mass communication with the visitors, requesting them to show themselves?
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Art, that is exactly what we have done in Gulf Breeze several times, and it works.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		We decided to try that just by being very serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		By groups of us sitting and just being quiet and thinking about the fact that we felt no fear and we were ready to face whatever and that we were very interested in finding out exactly what has been happening.
		And that is when those groups appeared.
		That is when we flash the lights and they flash back.
		It started that way.
		And every time we've tried that, and I must say We haven't lately, but now we're starting again.
		We have had some very interesting results, and I think that is very important.
		And I think that is one of the next steps.
		We have got to show that we are fearless and we are ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's one way that we can circumnavigate the lack of regular press about all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if we can cause appearances over major metropolitan areas, as I believe we have done in the past, we can begin to settle this.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we're going to do that in Gulf Breeze in March.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the reasons I'm going down there, even though I'm not a speaker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do?
		What's going to happen?
		You're going to have the film.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		We have one of the largest Gulf Freeze conferences, UFO conferences in the country.
		This is our sixth annual conference, and it will be held right in Gulf Breeze on the beach, March 20th.
		Whitley's been a speaker for us many times, and the only reason he isn't this time is because it was going to involve a scheduling problem with his writing a new book.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Let's be frank about it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I was too tired.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		But this is going to, we've decided that we are going to expand our sky watches.
		We normally have a sky watch, and the last four out of five conferences we have had sightings.
		So this time we have expanded, and we're going to have a sky watch every night, and we're going to do exactly what you were talking about.
		We're going to get our conference attendees out on the beach, volunteers, and we're going to very, very seriously skywatch and be ready for whatever happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have the ability to gather millions of people at any single moment and have a very serious mass communication.
		The last time I tried it, we had Phoenix.
		Actually, the last time I tried it, we had Las Vegas, and the time prior to that, we had the Phoenix appearances.
		And it just makes sense to me that if they communicate telepathically, a mass telepathic communication from Earth is likely to produce results.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly what we're going to be doing at the Gulf Breeze Conference this year.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		We're going to make a big effort to do that on a mass level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of wonder what would happen if eventually we did that and something landed and we had real first contact.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be thrilling.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I hope it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if you listen to Whitley's description of the behavior of some of the visitors, you might be careful what you wish for.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We have to be real careful.
		You know, I heard a wonderful story tonight from a friend who had just come back from Africa.
		And she talked about watching some lions trying to lure a baby elephant away from its mother by rolling around and playing with each other and rolling the dust, which elephants love to do, and just being cute and playful as they could be.
		And they never got the baby to come over, but the baby was very tempted.
		And I think we have to remember that story as we proceed with this.
		I'm not saying we shouldn't do it.
		I'm very much in favor of doing it.
		And I'm going to be there at Gulf Breeze trying along with everybody else.
		But I think caution, we'd be foolish not to be cautious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do agree with that.
		Whitley, the photograph that's on the website right now, taken at Gulf Breeze, describe what video they've got.
		I mean, we're seeing a snapshot in time.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and in fairness to Snappy, incidentally, if it's still the first one that they did, that they sent a second one to Keith just a little while ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I think they just got their Snappy today and learned how to use it.
unidentified		That's right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, they had the video on pause when they did the Snappy.
		It isn't Snappy's fault.
		I use Snappy all the time, right along with our top-level professional equipment, which indeed it is.
		It's part of our system.
		So I just want to say that.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		I can give you the circumstances of this sighting.
		Basically, we've had three UFO sightings in the daytime.
		And I wanted to qualify one point.
		These sightings were actually 30 to 40 miles west-northwest of Gulf Breeze and Pensacola Beach, but still very much in the area.
		But it started on last Wednesday when I was driving to my partner's house to do some project awareness business, and I was not supposed to leave my house until 4.15.
		And I don't know why I changed my plans.
		Circumstances were very unusual.
		But I suddenly decided I just had to leave earlier.
		So I left my house at 3.30, and I was driving down I-10 heading west, and the sky was completely clear and brilliantly blue, not a cloud anywhere.
		And all of a sudden, I noticed through my windshield to the southwest a perfectly round silver ball.
		It was so silver that it looked like a sterling silver marble hanging in the sky.
		And I estimated it to be about a mile away, and it was just spectacular.
		It was just hanging there.
		And I didn't think it was moving, but it's hard to say when you're driving 70 miles an hour down an interstate.
		But it was so clear.
		The day was just brilliantly blue, not a cloud anywhere.
		And the amazing thing was I was pondering, pulling over and trying to get off the interstate.
		And just as I was looking at it and pondering leaving the interstate, this object crossed over my path so fast that the speed was absolutely indescribable.
		My eyes could not follow it.
		It was just too fast for human eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who got the video?
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's what I'm telling you.
		This was on Wednesday.
		Okay.
		Now, on Saturday morning, a couple named Christy and Scott Edwards from Robertsdale, Alabama, that's about 40 miles west-northwest of Gulf Breeze.
		They are the ones that are responsible for this video that is showing on your website.
		It was shown last night on Fox 10 News.
		Now, we took this right off of the news station.
		We have not had an opportunity to talk with them.
		People are working on this.
		But the circumstances surrounding the video are that Christy Edwards stated that the object was very bright and very large and not like anything else she had ever seen.
		It was a daylight sighting.
		She had two sightings Saturday morning and again yesterday morning.
		And she turned this in to the Fox 10 News and they put it on the news last night.
		Now we did try to contact Shannon Garrett, who is the Fox News reporter handling that story.
		I tried to talk to her today and she was out sick, so I'm supposed to get to talk with her tomorrow.
		But Project Awareness staffers are pursuing this investigation and we also have a website and we're putting all this on there, all the updates.
		It's projectawareness.com and we'll have all this on there.
		But that is the video that you were actually seeing tonight.
		But I wanted to preface that with a description of my sighting because that is what I saw.
		And unfortunately, I didn't have a video camera in my car, but I was thrilled when I saw this on the news.
		You know, I just started jumping up and down.
		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's what I saw.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It was wonderful.
		So there have been three of these daylight sightings, and now, even as of this afternoon, we've had several calls of more sightings.
		So I really think that what is happening right now is that Gulf Breeze is right in the middle of another major flap.
		They're coming in faster than we can investigate them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, you're going back to Gulf Breeze when?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have...
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		The conference is March 20th through the 22nd.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		It's right on Pensacola Beach.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And that's when I'm going back, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, Bud Hopkins and Dave Jacobs will be there.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Linda Howe.
		Linda Moulton Howe is one of our major speakers, and Jaime Massan.
		We have a whole group of real fine speakers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just get the feeling that we're so close to cracking this whole thing open finally.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Because, I mean, this is the thing that's so extraordinary is what we're talking about here is something real.
		These people have showed up right before this conference, and I think for a reason.
		I mean, it's not a hoax.
		It's not a joke.
unidentified		It's completely real.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's what's so amazing about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, you know, it seems to me we need to begin to give some thought to the manner of contact when it does occur.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		When it does occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it does occur.
		Nadia, if it's going to, I believe it's going to.
		So how do we do that?
		And how do we prevent first contact from being with the U.S. military?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think the first thing from my own personal experience and all the letters I've read is no matter how much we expect it, it's going to be a surprise because it always seems to come that way.
		The last thing I ever expected to happen was to actually see a UFO in the presence of this photographer and his assistant who were, you know, I mean, they're not in this at all.
		And they're very, very sweet people, but they're not in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's quite a bit of evidence, Whitley, that the U.S. military is shooting at these things.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I must say, just I'm very well aware of that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I go into that in some detail in the book I've got coming out in May, Confirmation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		STS-48, STS-50, both seem to show shots of these things being fired upon.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I can say is this.
		I hope two things.
		One, they have a good reason.
		And two, they know the limits of the visitor's tempers, because there's no question about in that Mission STS-48 video, the objects perform at such an extraordinary high level of capability.
		Shooting at those objects is a little bit like a mouse biting a tiger.
		I mean, you need to think carefully about that, and I wish it had been a matter of public policy and not something decided in secret if it really happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		STS-50 is probably worse, Woodley.
		It shows coming up on the eastern coast of South America.
		The camera zooms in on a particular city and sits there and waits.
		And what you see is a plasma-type shot fired from Earth.
		And they get a vivid, perfect picture of it.
		So we're shooting at these things, and I'm not sure how wise an idea that is.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you who will bear the brunt of it if it's a mistake and if it's really happening.
		And I agree with you.
		I think there's a strong possibility that it is.
unidentified		We, the people, will bear the brunt of it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We will carry the weight of it on our shoulders, maybe for the rest of history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your best guess as to their intentions, Whitley?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that because of the abduction side of things, you know more about them than we do.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing is clear.
		There's exploitation of some kind going on.
		There is genetic material involved, almost certainly.
		Another thing is this.
		People can have a transformative experience from contact.
		I've had that.
		I know many people who have had the same.
		I don't really know anyone who's credible and reliable, who's found it to be a fun, charming, humorous, delightful experience.
		It's tough, but for some of us, it's bearable.
		For others, it is not.
		That's really where I stand with it.
		As far as their motives are concerned, there was a fascinating paper published in Science Magazine in April of 1977 by two physicists, one of them named Michael Morris, that speculated that someone who could travel through space like that would have, would know practically everything.
		And what they would be looking for as they traveled from place to place was novelty, something new, somebody new, somebody who could surprise them.
		And if we can surprise them, then they will probably come here like bees coming to honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if we are interesting.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		If we're interesting.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And judging from all of the activity in the sky and in people's bedrooms, we are very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or we're dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure which answer is proper.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		If you look at the hidden history of the development of propulsion devices and you stop and think that we're still flying around in jets, maybe we are dangerous and maybe we're being held back in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather be dangerous than helpless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vicki, I really appreciate the eyewitness testimony, and I certainly appreciate the photograph.
		You have no idea.
		Any hard evidence just adds to the whole pile and gets us a little bit closer.
vicki lyons ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll continue to Send it to you.
		We're trying to learn to use our new products that we bought today.
		And we would love to have your listeners try to join us in our attempts to make contact at the Gulf Breeze Conference.
		We're going to be doing it every night there.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are many who will make their way down.
		We've got a scooter at the end of the hour.
		Vicki Lyons, thank you.
		Whitley Strieber, you owe me a whole program.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'm coming back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Wait for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you both, and good night.
		There you have it.
		You want to see the photograph in question?
		It's on the website right now at www.artbell.com.
		That's www.artbell.com.
		from the high desert that will answer this is coast to coast a m you Take a long way to me.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Take the long way to never see what you wanna see.
		Take the long way to sleep.
		Take a moment home When you're up on the stage It's so unbelievable Oh, unforgettable How they adore you Then your wife seems to think You're losing your sanity Oh, in the vanity Is there no way out?
		From the Kingdom of Night, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Arbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here again, it's our good morning across this great land.
		It is so nice to be here.
		I'm Arbell.
		In the first hour, you heard from Pensamine author Whitley Screeber, author of Communion and so much more, and Vicky Lyons in Pensacola.
		And they together deposited into our website Bank of Evidence a photograph of an object over the Pensacola area, a disc seen in broad daylight.
		It is a snappy, very quick and dirty, snappy photograph taken from video, but there it is, folks.
		More hard evidence.
		Along with the photographs from Mexico that are up there that you've got to see.
		Very, very serious evidence of visitation here on earth.
		Coming up in a moment is Daryl Sims.
		And Daryl Sims is a man who has very serious evidence himself.
		Let's take a quick look at what's going on around the world.
		In the Olympics, it might be worth noting that Canada has won a gold medal, but its recipient, Ross Rigblatti of Canada, apparently tested positive for marijuana after his win in the men's giant shlalom Monday.
		And they have taken his gold medal away for testing positive for marijuana.
		And that, you've got to sit down and think about that one a little bit.
		Testing positive for marijuana.
		Marijuana would not, in my opinion, give anybody an athletic edge of any kind.
		In fact, according to the critics, it would do just the opposite.
		So I wonder about his gold medal getting yanked for that.
		The first American medal has been won at Nagano.
		Johnny Mosley bumped and jumped his way to gold in the men's moguls.
		And that is pretty much the news from Nagano.
		I love the ice skating.
		I watch every mole.
		And by the way, a Chinese couple used the theme song from Dreamland to skate by.
		Boy, was I shocked.
		Iraq.
		Iraq has the anti-aircraft missiles and other weapons to hit back against an American-led strike.
		The commander of the U.S. aircraft carrier said Tuesday, the U.S. George Washington, one of two U.S. aircraft carriers now in the Persian Gulf, getting ready to launch warplanes if Washington should decide to use force.
		Now, the list of nations saying no to the U.S. is growing by the moment.
		The latest embarrassment, Qatar, even Qatar saying no, Saudi Arabia saying no.
		Everybody is saying no.
		And it looks like if we go, we're going alone.
		Madeleine Albright and the administration are trying to spin this one as best they can, showing that we have some support, but I don't know where it is.
		El Nino's latest incarnation was modest by last week's standards, did little damage in California.
		But there's more on the way.
		A moderately heavy storm, followed, I guess, then by another very heavy storm.
		Two notes to drop on you at the beginning of the show here.
		I'm sorry, this is coming every day.
		There are tonight on CBC Radio News, that's the Canadian network, called As It Happens, we heard a segment about harp seals in Newfoundland that are leaving the sea in large numbers and heading off into the forests.
		Old-timers say they have never seen or heard of anything like it.
		No one knows why these animals are leaving the ocean habitat.
		And then this, Beijing, China, Reuters.
		A warming in water temperatures as a result of El Niño is suspected, underline, suspected, as a possible cause of rare whale beachings.
		Now in southern China, fishermen found nine small whales that had run aground on a beach in the South China Sea island province of Hainan last week.
		Of the nine whales found near the coastal town of Linding on February 2nd, three died, and the others were pulled back to sea by fishermen and authorities.
		And this is an area where whales just don't beach themselves.
		So, what's going on?
		You tell me.
		In a moment, a guy who concentrates on the hard evidence, Darrell Sims.
unidentified		Darrell Sims.
unidentified		Darrell Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now comes Daryl Sims.
		He has investigated the UFO phenomena for 34 years.
		Now, listen to this.
		He knew about implants years prior to the surgeries.
		Daryl is a board-certified hypnotic anesthesiologist.
		That simply means he's the guy who will put you under if you need surgery by only using hypnosis.
		He is a master hypnotherapist.
		That means he teaches and certifies people in hypnotherapy and his specialized training techniques for investigators.
		He holds certificates in medical hypnotherapy and specialty areas of hypnotherapy.
		He is a master level at NLP or Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
		That's something the Vice President and Tony Robbins are interested in.
		As a UFO investigator, Darrell has had the distinction of speaking to 250 surgeons and doctors in an AMA-sponsored program of continuing education concerning the topic medical complications of alleged human-alien contact.
		Darrell is the discoverer of the fluorescence occasionally found on abductees.
		This and other discoveries have led a number of doctors and scientists to you, most of them on a private basis.
		Darrell brings to the table with him three years as a senior military police officer, a Korean National Police Officer, as well as under the Status of Forces Agreement.
		While he was in Korea for a year, he was a volunteer for our country in the U.S. Army.
		During Vietnam, he was taken out of the U.S. Army and quietly placed in the CIA for a two-year tour.
		Darrell worked as a part of the military contingent bodyguard to Vice President Agnew when he came to Korea in the three flying Bordellos, helicopters as Darrell called them.
		He was an escort and guard to Mr. Richard Helms, then director of CIA, of course.
		Darrell had a top-secret clearance, and now that has been administratively removed to secret.
		And by the way, for those of you who do not believe that, and Darrell has his detractors, we have posted the letter from the Department of the Army, the actual letter.
		We scanned it and put it up on the website.
		If you scroll down to Darrell's name and click on it, you will see it.
		His outstanding credentials have been verified to me prior to the interview.
		I've got his DD 214, as a matter of fact.
		He's been on the program before.
		He was here, as a matter of fact, last week with Dr. Roger Lear.
		We didn't get to hear from him a lot then.
		We will tonight.
		Ladies and gentlemen, here is Daryl Sims.
		Darrell, welcome to the program.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was glad to be able to get that up on the website for you to perhaps quiet the roar from some of your critics.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, some people find it difficult to believe that, I guess, that someone who was formerly in the Central Intelligence Agency for a couple of years would actually come out and admit it, number one, and two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true, actually.
		I should ask you about that.
		How are you able to do that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, quite simply, I didn't really ask to get into the CIA.
		I was what is called sheep-dipped.
		Sheep-dipping is something termed the Central Intelligence Agency, or as they affectionately refer to themselves as the company.
		They dip into the sheep, which is the military areas, and they pick out what they want, whatever they need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for clarifying that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they find somebody in the military that has some sort of talent, or what did you have that they needed?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's a real good question.
		A military gentleman who is also part of the CIA, who is the leader of that particular group, there were three of them when I was in military police school.
		And he was the one that interviewed me.
		And I asked him for a long time, several times, what is it that you're finding here that you're interested in?
		Because they never would tell us who they were.
		They only assured us we'd never go to Vietnam and all that.
		And I said, well, that wasn't the reason I volunteered.
		That idea was to go to Vietnam.
		And he never did tell me what the reason was, but I suspect it was red, white, and blue, and that sort of thing.
		And testing and the other things they found, of course, they do an extensive background for a top-figure clearance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, it sounds like you've got something running in the background, a fan or a motor of some kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have something?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's the computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a computer.
		All right.
		Well, it's actually fairly loud compared to your voice.
		So there it is.
		Much, much, much better.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are in the CIA for two years.
unidentified		What ostensibly did you do for them?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of the stuff I did, of course, is still classified, and I can't discuss a lot of that, but I can tell you Did you sign an agreement?
		Oh, yes.
		You sign an agreement when you go in.
		The interesting thing is I was flown on an interesting jet after the top secret clearance was made and flown to top secret Installation and in that place when the clearance finally was done, then I was, of course, awarded a particular rating for this.
		And then these individuals finally brought me in and explained to me exactly, and several other people, where we were and smiled after they gave us the briefing and said, welcome to the Central Intelligence Agency, or as you will always refer to it as, the company.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The company.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It was just that simple.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So I didn't get to really volunteer because you really didn't know what you were volunteering for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You cannot tell us where you were.
unidentified		Not at this time.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I intend to.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'm running some things through my attorney currently and will approach the United States government and see if what I can tell because I intend to put that in my book as much as I can of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are writing a book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your book going to be called?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The book is entitled Alien Hunter.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The scientific and medical evidence to make a case for abduction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During your two years in the CIA, is it reasonable to ask you or possible to ask you whether you were able to, let's see, how can I phrase it, were you able to confirm any of what you know to be true on the outside now with regard to the visitors?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		My tenure with the, my short tenure with the United States area of the Central Intelligence Agency did not involve any alien phenomena whatsoever.
		I did find some things that I found quite fascinating, and this is the real thing that I want to pursue with my attorney and see if I can get that released.
		I mean, if Marchetti and Frank Agee and others can write some of the things they did that even got people compromised and even killed, Frank Agee did, surely then I can print some of the things that I feel like that the United States people ought to know simply because you're paying taxes for it and you ought to be aware of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what about Philip Corsa and many others?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How in the world have they been able to reveal these things without getting slammed behind bars?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a couple of things.
		I think, number one, if you divulge, and this is certainly no, I have no intention of slamming anybody here at all, but there are certain things I know that if I speak about, I will be picked up within just a few hours.
		And it's just that simple.
		How they do what they do, I don't know.
		But I know if certain things I relay and cost the government a couple of hundred million dollars, I'm going to go to jail.
unidentified		Going to jail.
unidentified		I'm not going to question that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alien Hunter.
		Tell me about that.
		Why that title, Alien Hunter?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The title came years ago.
		A lady did an interview with me, and she smiled.
		She says, my goodness.
		She says, you look for evidence, you look for the beings, you look for everything about them, you look for the way they think, the way they process, not just the abductees, but the beings themselves.
		And she wrote an article entitled Alien Hunter, and that stuck, and later I trademarked it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We did a show with you and Dr. Roger Lear the other night.
		I should tell everybody that Dr. Lear is a surgeon who removes implants from human beings.
		And we have electron scanning microscope photographs of those implants on my website right now.
		They seem to be very, very, very hard evidence of alien presence.
		Is that the way they hit you?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mr. Bigelow, when I was called to his location with Roger Lear, when he was going to evaluate his team of scientists as to whether or not they would fund our research for a period of time, asked the question.
		He said, if these are evaluated and you find out that they're really alien in origin, what will that tell you?
		I said, do you mean like if that aliens are really real?
		And he said, yes.
		I said, no.
		I said, that would not be the proof for me.
		I said, as for the alien presence being real, I said, I figured that out in 1952 when it was standing next to my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have long since passed the threshold of understanding that we are being visited.
		You apparently have had more of a visit than I have.
		What year was that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		1952, when I was three and a half years old, there was a creature standing next to my bed that, in fact, that literally just brought me back from the event.
		And what was very strange to me in growing up is when I first started seeing these books and things and people's reports about these aliens having these almond-shaped eyes, I was real puzzled by that.
		And I thought, people are probably making that up.
		Because the beings I saw during that time, up until the time that my abduction stopped at age 17, they had very large round eyes.
		They were very dark black the same way, but they were very round, which has led me to believe that it's very possible that what I was looking at was a Ford model, and what we have today probably is a Lexus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's entirely reasonable, I suppose.
		What did the rest of the creature look like?
		You say large round eyes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They were exactly the same thing, except that they were not gray or tan as often people describe them or off-white.
		These were the most brilliant white I've ever seen.
		And it wasn't just when I was asleep, and it wasn't just some situation by which a person could say, well, you were in sleep paralysis and this sort of thing.
		The fact is that I woke up the next day with a scoop mark on my leg at four years old, and I didn't have any kind of a cut or anything there, and it didn't make any sense.
		And I actually remembered what it was they told me to think that it would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That I had fallen and cut myself.
		And that was the reason for that very large scoop on a little child, four years old.
		That's a pretty good size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it in the form of a wound or was it a healed scoop?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It was a completely carterized Wound much like the ones we're finding with some of the abductees that we're working with and some of the people that we've actually removed alleged implants from.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And what we found in those scoop marks was solar elastosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Solar elastosis was what we found from the pathology reports concerning the scoop marks that we've recovered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Solar elastosis, which confirms a lot of my work with a number of abductees as to them telling the truth, describing a scoop mark with a scoop with a device that makes a little noise and it has a light on the end of it and seems to cauterize the wound.
		Well, that makes a lot of sense whenever you go look at the path report and you find that solar elastosis is there.
		Solar elastosis means that that area, that scoop mark, that very smooth indentation, has actually been treated to an enormous amount of ultraviolet radiation.
		Now, what was amazing is the two patients that we used in the surgeries on May 18th, 1996, both of them have very light white skin and they never go outside.
		And yet they've been subjected to this solar elastosis only in that one little tiny scoop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Localized UV radiation.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words.
		All right.
		Daryl, hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Daryl Sims is my guest.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		From the Kingdom of Nine.
		Now, once again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		again, here I am.
		Daryl Sims, a very interesting guy.
		I see here he is an advanced open water instructor in scuba.
		He has a black belt in karate.
		He's a hypnotherapist.
		He was a member of the CIA.
		I've got all of this documentation in front of me.
		A member of the National Board for Hypnotherapy and Hypnotic Anesthesiology.
		And it goes on and on.
		The American Amateur Karate Federation.
		I've got all of this documentation in front of me.
		It's a very diverse background, Daryl.
		You've done a lot of stuff.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, my wife and I both share many of the same interests.
		And in fact, she was a martial arts student of mine whenever she was a teenager.
		And she's now a third-degree black belt, and I'm a fourth.
		And we just have identical interest in everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
		All right.
		Well, anyway, back to ufology.
		All of this began for you when you had your own abduction at four years of age.
		Four years of age.
		What has occurred since then to you?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, my events ended when I was 17 years old, and they ended very violently.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It is not, which may have to do with some of the negative aspect of what some people refer to it as, is a negative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were just discussing that with Whitley in the previous hour about whether we should be very careful what we wish for.
		In other words, whether these beings are really our friends or not.
		I take it you don't necessarily think so.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		First of all, it's my view that I'm a Christian, and I think that there are all kinds of beings out there, angelic and otherwise, and so on.
		And I think there are a lot of very good positive influences there.
		I think that some of the things that some of these particular beings are doing are, if we had to apply a standard to it, of course, by our own, which I'm sure they don't have, it would be abusive and illegal, immoral.
		I mean, beings that take you or your children or your wife or anyone out of your home in the middle of the night and rape them and do various things to them, as Whitley well knows from his first experience there, he's reported, is not very emotionally uplifting whenever they do things to a three and a half year old child.
		Sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was done to you?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a number of things that I'm still getting testing on just to see if I can validate it because I don't consider my case that useful because there is not enough physical evidence to meet the standards that I've applied to other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But for me, I started looking at some neurological testing and other things that indicated to me that the so-called memories that I have are in fact true.
		Some of the surgical and other procedures that were done, and they were not done for my benefit.
		And I certainly don't apply this to everyone and say, my goodness, because something pretty rough happened to me, it had to be for you, too.
		I don't apply that to everyone.
		I can only speak for myself in that regard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But the last event that I had, you have to understand, this is about 1964, and in that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would have been 17.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your memories of this should be good.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And well, there was little evidence in this particular event because the door was actually broken open in the middle of the night.
		And I couldn't understand why my parents couldn't wake up.
		The five beings that showed up in the room during that time do not show up in any ufology literature I have ever seen.
		I've found seven people since then that have seen one of these beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you describe them?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I could.
		I'd rather wait, and I'll mention why now.
		The seven people that I've found that have met this one particular being have all had horrifying events.
		One of the people, in fact, is my sister-in-law.
		After her encounter, she ended up with grand maul epilepsy.
		And she's not the only person to experience some absolutely horrific experiences from these particular beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		The news I've been getting lately about these beings is not good.
		They've done a lot of things they ought not do.
		And very truth.
		And so I'm beginning to get very concerned as the prospect of contact, real contact, I think is getting very close with all of the daylight sightings and all the rest of it.
		It's time to start really digging into what we're about to meet here.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Art, I think you couldn't have said a better thing, and I think you're wise to say that.
		And I think it's foolish for us to welcome anything without knowing.
		One of the things that concerns me is especially when people attack the military, I mean, I was in the military.
		If I'd have known about horrific things going on that the military was doing or something, I would have been the first person out of the can to expose it.
		And I'm sure there are a lot of people in there now that would as well.
		And that doesn't excuse certainly intelligence community people that are doing some terrible things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you remember the movie Independence Day?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember the crowd that went up on top of the roof there, all the new agers whooping it up, saying, yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, the ship opened up and fried them all.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the kind of first contact we might have?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I'll tell you my thinking, and it's nothing I can prove, but a lot of this is going to come out in the book.
		And then I'll give you an illustration of this.
		I don't think they're, quote-unquote, going to come to invade or anything like that.
		I think they're already here.
		Oh, so do I. And I think they already own the place.
		The problem is, what are you going to find out?
		What can you do about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They already own the place.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I think they're already here.
		And they're pretty much doing whatever they want.
		And one of the things that I'm doing in my research, and this doesn't have anything to do with FIRST.
		It has to do with another corporation that I own, Sabre.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you better explain both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		FIRST is the scientific and medical study for the evidence that I've uncovered for 34 years.
		When I brought this first to, I brought it to several doctors before, and the one I felt most comfortable with was Dr. Lear.
		He is a consummate skeptic when it comes to evidence.
		He is a brilliant man, a wonderful CV, and he had a real problem believing in this implant business when I first brought him.
		And after, of course, the pathology reports came back, he was ecstatic.
		But my point being that first is the study of the evidence that I find as the alien hunter, so to speak, looking for evidence.
		My interest is to find what these beings are doing and why they're here.
		And I don't think that as human beings that we have the cards to play the game.
		And until we can get some cards in our hand, we're not going to ever be dealt in.
		We're not going to get the effect of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we know what the game is yet?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I certainly don't.
		I'm working on and hoping through some of the work that I find with abductees that we'll find that, which brings up a tremendous question.
		When I went down to Brazil, I met a horde of hypnotherapists, and of course they're all saying, well, let me tell you about my cases and what we do and all the stuff we found.
		And much of the stuff was pretty much the same.
		And I said, let me ask you a question.
		Why is it that a lot of the information you're getting is pretty much identical?
		You pretty much have the same belief systems.
		Yet the information we're getting is different.
		And finally, they asked me to explain it.
		And I said, well, I said, you have to understand these beings leave something like a screensaver memory on the memory of the individual.
		It's kind of like a computer.
		Your screensaver is not the hard drive memory, per se.
		It's not all the data.
		You have to get past the screensaver.
		I said, what you're doing is hypnotizing the screensaver, which is an installed, prepared, pre-digested memory for this person, which often is we're here to save the planet, fix the world, clean the ozone hole up, and so on, which they haven't done for at least 6,000 years.
		And you have to get past that to be able to find out what's actually going on with these beings.
		When you do, you get quite a different story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When you get past that, there are several things we have to discuss here.
		One is false memory syndrome.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to ask you about that.
		Absolutely.
		There's been an awful lot of TV coverage lately of adults who suddenly have memories of things that never actually occurred, molestations and so forth.
		Things that a lot of people feel are instilled by the hypnotherapist.
		So address that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, a false memory syndrome only affects about 10-15% of the population, according to Dr. Charles Latimer in his recent presentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That 10 to 15% are subject to...
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Now, what I am concerned with, and this may chap some of my colleagues out there doing hypnotherapy, but one of the things That bothers me about hypnotherapy, the way it's often being done, is that a lot of these people don't understand the nature of hypnosis itself, and they don't understand, especially the nature of memory.
		There's a difference between recall and memory.
		You can recall a hallucination, but it didn't really occur, you see.
		There's no physical event that anyone else ever saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But now, the memory that you recover is something different.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if we're working with you in a situation, which we've done, in a legal situation where you may have witnessed a crime or murder, this sort of thing, or seen the car and we hypnotize you and get the license plate off of it, that's not false memory syndrome whenever we can trace the person down, put the person in the event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's memory.
		However, if you run up to me and say, oh, I think I saw that you may have seen this murder, you may have seen something and everything, and the hypnotist may hypnotize you and say, well, tell me what it's all about, and they tell you this Whopper, you have to know the difference between what these people are going through.
		Some of the difficulties, for instance, the trauma that an individual may have from an event, whether UFO-related or not, can induce an installed memory itself to even protect the person.
		You can have memories installed simply because the suggestions of the hypnotist, he just made errors in his questioning techniques.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that installed by the person's own mind as a protective mechanism?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, in the cases of trauma.
		And if the hypnotist is not skilled to know that, he will miss it and pick it up as memory.
		And I need to really hit this hard in defense of a lot of hypnotists out there.
		They're doing very fine jobs.
		The majority of the people who are getting sued for this sort of thing, not the majority, all of them I know of, and getting multi-million dollar suits against them, are professional people.
		Not the hypnotists, but in fact, the psychologists and psychiatrists who are leading these people on with this false memory that they're dredging up for these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that an easy trap to fall into leading somebody on?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It is because of the fact that if you have an agenda, let's say that you, and I have a friend of mine who's a psychiatrist who's been begging me to help him with some of his cases, and they are involved in this exact sort of thing.
		And I assure him that, first of all, I don't even want to look at the cases because they're wrong.
		Well, one of them is all these people are out molesting these little children.
		I said, well, who are the people identified?
		He said, well, it's very obvious, and we've got to be careful.
		I said, who?
		Well, he mentioned the president and several other people of the country.
		I said, you mean they're flying out here just to molest these little kids?
		Give me a break.
		Give me a break.
		I don't even want to know.
		Now, this is obvious that someone has done some pretty bad work here.
		But there, again, these are professional people.
		And it's difficult for me to believe sometimes that some of these people's training is so poor that they don't know the difference between recall and memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you, for the skeptical public, delineate between the two with respect to the work you're doing?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a wonderful question, and it certainly needs to be answered, and I'm glad to.
		First of all, we never use hypnosis unless the person either, number one, ask for some particular reason for themselves.
		And number two, if we're there's certain area that we want to probe and look into after we've already got the person's, they've already gone through all the testing, all the psychological tests, all the IQ testing, and all the other testing that we've agreed to do, which they must do if we take the case.
		And second, then this is primary.
		I should say this first.
		The primary thing is these people that we work with, I only work with physical evidence cases.
		If you don't have physical evidence, I don't handle the case.
		So your evidence must match what we find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very, very good story.
unidentified		So I don't have the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try this question out on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What percentage of the cases that you take on after the physical evidence would you say offer unambiguous proof?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Let me see if I can.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Would you phrase that once again for me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of those cases that involve hard evidence that you then go on to use hypnotherapy with, what percentage of those cases at the end of the day would you say are unambiguous, offer proof?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would say about 20%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 20%.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		About 20% of the cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what happens if I deduct the 10 to 15% that you suggested might be subject to false memory syndrome?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the most important thing there is the skill of the person.
		You have to know how to weed that out.
		You have to be able to spot it.
		Let me give, if I may, a very quick example.
		My senior investigator, Dale Musser, a very fine investigator, had a lady come in, and this lady is beyond question an abductee.
		She has been seen by eight other people on board a craft at the same time in a mass abduction of eight people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eight separate people.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There's no question this lady is an abductee.
		Eight separate people on the same craft, same time, same as it was.
		It's called the mass abduction event of 1992.
		It's a case that I'll mention a little later on in this that you'll just absolutely find astounding.
		But the point is that the lady is no question an abductee, but she also hallucinates, and we know that.
		She comes in, sits down, says, Dale, I'd like if you work with me because I've been abducted.
		He says, okay, have a seat, and he questions her a bit and everything.
		He's a little dubious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
		That, folks, is the sound of a broken telephone line.
		These things occasionally occur.
		Interestingly, these things more frequently occur when we have a guest talking of the kinds of things you're hearing right now.
		Quite remarkable, I would say.
		So we'll pick up Daryl on the other side of the news at the top of the hour.
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		Now, updating you on a story with regard to the Canadian who has won a gold medal and has been disqualified for the use or let me rephrase that, disqualified for testing positive for the use of marijuana or marijuana present in his system.
		We're finding now that the claim is that it was secondhand smoke, that he was in the presence of some people that were smoking marijuana.
		But, you know, again, I want to say, why would marijuana, just as a matter of interest, pharmaceutically, why would marijuana be considered a disqualifier for a gold medal?
		Most people, I think, in medicine regard marijuana as kind of a lazy drug that people kind of get laid back.
		Certainly, it's not regarded as an athletic stimulant or a stimulant for the body.
		So it seems to me that Canada is really getting screwed here.
		I was not aware that a positive test for marijuana would disqualify one for a gold medal.
		But apparently that has occurred.
		One more item.
		I would like to urge everybody, everybody to get to my website, ASAP.
		See the photograph we put up there last hour.
		It is a photograph of an object, an unambiguously clear object, in Pensacola, Florida.
		In addition, we've got the Mexican photographs up there showing a craft passing behind a high-rise building in Mexico City.
		Now, we are discussing, when we get back here in a moment, if we get him back with Daryl Sims, the reality of what's going on, what these creatures are, who they are, who they aren't, what they're doing to people, and what we can expect.
		That's all coming up as we continue with Coast to Coast AM from the High Desert.
		That's exactly what this is.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Darrell Sims, who is a hard evidence UFO investigator.
		We were just prior to the top of the hour cut off.
		There is no question about that.
		From time to time, lines are severed.
		But we have a lock system on this end for guests.
		And one can only wonder, are these lines tapped?
		Well, of course they are.
		Would somebody cut us off?
		One can't imagine why.
		Has it happened before?
		Yes.
		Did it happen just now?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, again, before we proceed with Daryl Sims, who is an alien hunter who is a hard evidence investigator, let me tell you once again, up on the website by Daryl Sims' name,
		if you click on it, if you can get up there, you will see a letter from the Department of the Army, Office of the Adjutant General, U.S. Army Reserve Components Personnel and Administration Center in St. Louis, where all the records are kept.
		You will see a letter that refers to Darrell Sims' top secret security clearance.
		He was CIA, and the replacement of that by a secret clearance.
		So for all of his detractors, we thought we would post this document for you to see.
		Too many times on radio, you simply are unable to do that kind of thing for a guest, but we make that kind of proactive use of the web.
		So there it is.
		For any detractors, be my guest.
		Go take a look so you know who you're listening to.
		Once again, Daryl Sims.
unidentified		Daryl, welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We were unceremoniously cut off.
		Yes, we were.
		Do you believe your phone is tapped?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I am not a paranoid person.
		People always ask me if the CIA is watching me all the time and all that, and I say no, they're not, but they were for quite a while for some other reasons.
		And I suspect that as we get closer and closer to real answers in ufology concerning hard evidence, in other words, out on the private sector, we're getting close to what they already obviously have, and then we don't have to rely upon them and come to our own conclusions and just have to deal with our ridiculous little debunkers and others out here.
		I think that they're going to always be paying attention to that, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I frequently wonder when I'm going to be stopped.
		I keep pushing the envelope, Darrell, to see how far I can go.
		It's my nature.
		And I suspect eventually they'll try and stop me.
		I expect it.
		Now, getting cut off like that, it's not the first time, and we were in the middle of a fairly sensitive conversation when it occurred.
		My attitude has always been the phones are tapped.
		Who cares?
		I don't say things that I wouldn't say on the air anyway.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		And the ANSA owns the Internet anyway.
		And anybody who doesn't know that needs to go check it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I frequently recommend to my listeners, Daryl.
		The NSA has supercomputers listening to lots and lots of phone conversations, looking for keywords.
		And when they hear those keywords, or when those keywords are said and noted, then conversations are indeed listened to by the NSA.
		That's pretty well known in the intelligence community.
		So I frequently urge my listeners to, in the middle of a conversation, for no other reason, just drop in a word like, kilo, kilo.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That ought to get them confused.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does the trick, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we now have you back, and I sure would like to hear that story about the mass abduction of eight people unrelated, apparently.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is a big one.
		Archie has struck the cord that got me the title Alien Hunter.
		The lady was investigating a case we refer to as the mass abduction event of December 8th, 1992.
		And let me back up just a little bit.
		I came to one of my abductees.
		I had about 75 at the time.
		And she is what we would refer to generally really as a contactee.
		She believes that her events, even though some of them may have been somewhat negative, that the guys are basically here helping us doing something good, but she doesn't know what it is.
		And so I said, what I would like to do is to do an experiment.
		I said, I was in the Central Intelligence Agency for two years and worked in the military police and so on.
		And so with that background, I said, what I would like to do is install a post-hypnotic suggestion, installing in your memory a piece of information that I found that I think that if it is valid would upset them if they knew you knew it.
		And I said, probably nothing will happen, but if it does, I would like to see if anything would occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me get this straight.
		This is somebody who's an ongoing abductee or contact.
		And you're implanting a post-hypnotic suggestion to send to them.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've always wondered when somebody would do that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, Artis, to me, made sense.
		We did three years of research, Dale, Musher, and myself, my senior investigator.
		And after we gathered the evidence together, we did not hopscotch off of everyone else's work.
		We took our own 75 people and came up with our own incredible stats of up to 33% of these abductees having rare drug allergies, which only 0.08% of the population has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's equivalent to 3 out of every 10 astronauts that walk in having a rare drug allergy of the same exact kind.
		It's never going to happen.
		In fact, your dentist will laugh at you if you even mention it to him.
		But we found a lot of stats like that.
		We found the fluorescence on these people immediately after their abduction scenarios.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fluorescence.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, fluorescence that permeates the skin on contact, and it will stay there.
		It won't wash off.
		You can't get it off.
		The only way we can even get a sample is to take a surgical scapel and cut very lightly into the skin and take a shaving of the skin off.
		And we've actually, in fact, I got my first analysis in today.
		We found two of them that were identical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fluorescence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the material made up of?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's a fluorophore that it's not a phosphorescent thing.
		It's a fluorophore that will only light up under the excitation of or the use of a black light brought next to it.
		And what this basically means, we think, we can't prove this, of course, but we think what it means is that the individual in their abduction scenario has been touched by these beings and there seems to be an exuding of some kind of fluid like an oil or something that penetrates the skin on contact.
		And it literally colors the skin with a fluorescence.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had several professors everyone would recognize them out there, ask about it, and they're very excited from England to the U.S. Daryl, there are some seaborne biological creatures that exhibit that kind of fluorescence as well.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, under certain conditions, jellyfish do.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there some relationship to that kind of fluorescence?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We have not found that out at this time.
		What we're doing right now is taking 22 samples that we do have from abductees and testing them.
		We have a biochemist, Evelyn, that does our work for us, and she is struggling as we all are because of the lack of funding to be able to really get out there and do what we need to be doing.
		But in this case, to touch a little bit on the fluorescence and how I found it, one of the things that we found about cattle mutilations many years ago, it was reported that some of the cattle had fluoresced when someone accidentally got a black light near them.
		And then some of the cattle that later fluoresced apparently were mutilated, which indicated that, if that story is true, that they in fact were marked.
		Well, that's not how I found the fluorescence.
		How I found the fluorescence, and this will be real good for our detractors and debunkers and attackers of hypnosis.
		I found the first fluorescence finding from a young man who regressed back to the age of five to his first event.
		And he kept crying because he said they don't like me, so I'm doing everything they want me to do.
		And they kept crying and crying about why he just couldn't understand why they didn't like him.
		And the funny thing about it was, for me, was that his father had painted a beautiful black light picture all over his wall as a child.
		And he had a little black light there next to his bed because the kid was always afraid and he couldn't understand why.
		Of course, aliens coming in your room at night picking you up.
		It might illustrate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll do it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And then one night the beings came through the wall, woke the little boy up, and the little boy was terribly frightened.
		And he looked and the black light, of course, was on, was lighting up the black light wall with the picture that his father had painted.
		But he saw a brilliant, bright green fluorescence in places on those beings, white skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would that suggest to you, or does it suggest at this point anything yet?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can only guess, and of course this is why we have Evelyn doing the testing so that we can find out.
		But it would seem to me, based on the evidence I have to date, that whenever these beings touch a person, that this liquefied or semi-liquid form material that penetrates our skin on contact seems to be exuded from them like something like sweat or something.
		And what's amazing about this is I've found a number of different colors, and the colors correspond to exact abductee reports and the different reports.
		And this is just absolutely thrilling find as far as I'm concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And because there, again, it verifies the abductees are telling the truth.
		These people don't go out and make this stuff.
		They just sit there and lie.
		It's easy to catch people lying this way.
unidentified		Again, the eight.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There we go into the eight.
		The eight people, what happened?
		The lady received the post at my suggestion.
		She looked at me and she said, I'm going to tell you something, Daryl.
		She said, I trust you implicitly.
		I like these beings.
		I don't like what they're doing.
		I think it's wrong.
		I think this thing's going to come to a conflict eventually between you and whoever they are.
		She said, so I'll do whatever you want.
		I said, well, I have to do this on video.
		And she says, why is that?
		And I said, because I'm fixing to induce amnesia.
		You're not going to remember anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amnesia.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So when I installed the post at my suggestion of information that I felt, and let me back up here a bit.
		Since I was in the intelligence community, there are two things that you did in the intelligence community.
		One is to, the intelligence community's job is to have secrets.
		And the second reason for them having secrets is not to ever have them exposed because you become vulnerable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the whole point.
		I don't think the alien presence is any different.
		So the best way to do this is to test it.
		So I found information from one abductee that I felt was if I were them, I would not want that out.
		I got way past the screensaver memory, in other words, and found one of these type scenarios that sounded to me like it might be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you had second-level information from that duck tea.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So the question is, who knows whether it's true or not?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Let's apply it in the situation and see what happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you hypnotize this lady and you impart this.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You implanted the information and then installed amnesia in two ways.
		I installed amnesia on both sides of her memory because if the being catches her, the very first thing they're going to do, they've already abducted her since she was three years old.
		They know everything that woman ever thinks.
		They know everything.
		So if she has information about them that would be harmful, in my opinion, the particular information, if they found that, then it should cause some kind of reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you say on both sides of her memory, what do you mean?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		By that, I mean whenever she is going to, she can't remember, I can't allow her to remember what's going to happen because if she does that, they're going to catch that instantaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that means they know there's a trap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That means no memory prior to the event and no memory after the event.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So whenever they get her, if in fact the information is valid, which this is all hypothesis on my point, I have no idea whether it is or not, the important thing I want to do is install a block on the other side, just like they do us so that they can't find out who gave it to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're sending a message to them.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, she later moves to Florida, and a remarkable situation.
		That'll all come out in the book.
		She's one of my seven cases I'm going to review.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And you can see here why.
		So she gets picked up about two weeks later.
		Remarkable situation.
		The post-hypnotic suggestion does not work until she gets within 20 inches of the beam.
		I set it to go off when she's right next to him.
		And when she got within 20 inches of him, she woke up completely out of her trance and looks at him completely wide-eyed.
		And then she spouts out the information.
		And he was upset.
		Well, now, of course, we did not know this at all until this was in November.
		And then on December 8th, 1992, apparently things got worse.
		I guess it goes up the food chain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you relate what the information was?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I can at this time because I intend to do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that Makes sense.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I intend to do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had specific inside information about them.
		She was abducted.
		The moment came, she awoke and gave them this information.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I hadn't abducted her anyway, took her to their whatever procedures they did with her.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And apparently, it went on up the food chain because now I'm backtracking because we already have the rest of the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine there would be repercussions for you.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would have to be my detractors.
		Something I can think.
		I've often thought most of those people were aliens anyway.
		Just kidding.
		At least in some sense of the word.
		Very strange.
		The situation went on that on December 8th, 1992, my senior investigator and I were talking, Dale, and he looked at his fingernails and he noticed that they had started to grow over the last day or so very rapidly.
		And he got freaked out because one of the things I've found with some of these people, not all of them, but some of them, is their hair growth and fingernail growth is remarkable during the abductions, only on some of these people.
		In his case, it's fingernails.
		He's having to trim his fingernails two and three times a day.
		Just per day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My, my, my.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So he looks at his fingernails, says, oh my God, something's happened.
		He said, regress me, let's see what's happened.
		And he starts describing the most bizarre situation I've ever heard of how eight of these people, including this lady, of course, now if this, you can back up and see the story, she was the one that we used as the bait.
		And if you weren't going to abduct me, who would you get to get the information from?
		But my senior investigator.
		Because he would ostensibly know everything that I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did these eight people know each other?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They did know each other.
		And one of them was in Florida at the time, and the others were in several different cities around Houston.
		They were our abductees, and it is my opinion, based on everything we've seen since then, that the idea was to find out where the leak was.
		That's what we would do if we were in an intelligence community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, really, you're almost back in the CIA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is intelligence.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't see what the term is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Counterintelligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i don't either i don't either but i applied My, my, my.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really get in trouble.
		All right, stay right where you are.
		Daryl Sims is my guest.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
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		702-727-1222.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here again is our hearing right now virtually is a description of the Manchurian candidate.
		A lady repeatedly abducted.
		And then finally, Daryl Sims coming along.
		An expert hypnotherapist.
		Inducing a memory in her with a message to be delivered to them.
		Manchurian candidate all the way.
unidentified		Manchurian candidate all the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Daryl Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, that's just like the Manchurian candidate.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		The situation got even better.
		Okay.
		As we began to find out who was involved, as soon as we found out there were at least eight people involved, eight of our people, and there were several other people from other places.
unidentified		We've still not found them yet.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What we found is that immediately they sectioned six of them off for whatever they were going to do with them, and then they took my senior investigator and they questioned him.
		There are two beings that came on board that craft that are apparently quite high up.
		The other little grays and I call them cosmic skinheads.
		The grays and the browns, the doctor types, as you often know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And you ask about implants, I can tell you about that very well because I have a conscious memory of getting mine when I was 14.
		And there was, in fact, in most of these cases where these people say, you know, I don't know what happened and it was okay and it was wonderful.
		Whenever I hypnotize these people, if they will use this type of technique to get this type of memory, and you put this on video and they look at it, they were absolutely scared out of their minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that's true.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Because these beings do not use any form of anesthetic.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But they tell you that they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your chief investigator, roll over that again, please.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		He gets taken by one of the two higher-up beings that are there.
		And in his event, he is questioned at great length.
		And they produce a holographic image, in his thinking, of a human brain.
		And they show it to him and ask him where, this being asked him where the human subconscious is.
		Now, why in the world would I ask that if I already knew?
		And when he said, well, you know, he's very methodical and very scientific, he tries to give him a reasonable answer, and the being gets very upset, to say the very least.
		A Nordic, which is some people refer to as a human being-type being of this group, Walks over and grabs Dale's head and holds it between his fingers, his hands, looks very closely face to face with him, and looks back at the being sitting there and says, He's telling the truth.
unidentified		He doesn't know.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And the story just gets more bizarre.
		An amazing thing happens during this time.
		And to give a little background on Dale, Linda Moulton Howell interviewed Dale once, and she says, in her opinion, that Dale is one of the clearest-headed people she's ever met in her entire life.
		He can clearly tell the difference between his emotional state and the events that occur.
		And this is the kind of qualifications that my senior investigator has in the eyes of someone like Linda Moulton Howell, if that carries any weight with anyone else.
		So he's very, very clear.
		He does not make things up or add to anything.
		He also, the being asked him right off the bat, he wanted to know why I did what I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And he wanted to know why we were meeting.
		Now, that was amazing to me that they had an interest in that.
		We found that out in several different ways as well.
		The lady, on the other hand, is in another room meeting with another being of his ilk.
		And because there seems to be a very militaristic infrastructure in this stuff, and the grays and browns that some of these people seem to like so well are actually on the lowest end of the food chain.
		They're not even treated well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they full biological creatures?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even sure about that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I gave a post-hypnotic suggestion to another one of the eight people who was there later, wanted a post-hypnotic suggestion to protect herself and her two children.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And so I did give her one under those conditions, and she actually assaulted the being that came in and tore his eye cup off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, I really think you're messing around with some pretty scary stuff here.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they shouldn't have been messing around with somebody four years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with you.
		Listen to this facts.
		Your guest is accurate all the way regarding the decoding of the screen memories to get to the truth.
		Please ask Darrell if he's familiar with the latest scientific proof put forth in the book called The Threat by David Jacobs, Ph.D. The information in the book describes exactly what your guest is saying, and it is an understatement when I say it is frightening.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I know David Jacobs.
		I met him for the first time in Brazil, and I was sitting in a bar.
		I don't drink, but I do socialize.
		And I was sitting there, and David had his book, and I read through a little of it, not much, because I didn't have the time, and I certainly didn't want to insult him by sitting there reading his book when I should be out buying it.
		But it's a very good book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I know David Jacobs from that, and he watched my presentation, which dealt with the implant phenomena and a bunch of other physical evidence, of which I have videotapes at the end of this program I'd love to mention.
		One of them called The Best Evidence Interview.
		It's two tapes, and it's just chocked full of evidence you haven't even heard of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can mention it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got two videotapes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Let me just touch this very briefly.
		Let me give my phone number and everything so everybody can call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be careful about voicemail.
unidentified		Wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's voicemail.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's a voicemail.
		I've done this before.
		It's a voicemail, and if they call the voicemail, they'll actually get my actual home phone number or office number, and then they can call from there if they have an interest beyond that.
		But everything they need will be on this voicemail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The voicemail is 281-587-5455.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And from 587-5455.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		281-587-5455.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from there they can get your office.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They will hear a message on there that will tell them everything they need to know about the videotapes that we have that are available.
		And primarily something I would love for everyone to get, which is an implant and abduction information collection that I have, which is based on the book that I'm writing.
		In other words, you can get a lot of this advanced information now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, from what I've heard so far, it seems to me that you would be regarded as a threat.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me go a little further in the story and tell you why I believed the story, not because I hypnotized eight people independently and separated them, and they all told the identical stories.
		The only thing different in their stories was they were all offered, I say offered, not given, offered a screen memory of their choice.
		One lady wanted to see her dead deceased brother.
		And she described him beautifully, except he had large black eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, if these creatures have the ability to tamper with our minds in this manner, what defense do we have?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I was about four years old in the first event, I learned a lot as a child.
		I don't know if it was rebellious or what, but when the being was standing next to my bed, I had this propensity to wake up at the wrong time.
		I woke up in an OR one time.
		I was the patient in this case.
		And I got up alpha general anesthetic, got up and walked over and talked to another surgeon who was there and asked him what he was doing there.
		The surgeon had actually subbed his work out to another surgeon, and I wanted to know why.
		So I have a propensity to wake up in the wrong times in trance.
		And this being when he brought me back, I was lying on the bed as four years old.
		I can describe the event with incredible detail because I have conscious memory of it.
		I've never had hypnosis for any of my events.
		I remember much of my events consciously.
		I was not paralyzed.
		I was not in a state of sleep paralysis or any stupid thing like that.
		I know the difference.
		I have had sleep paralysis.
		I know what that is.
		And I was not paralyzed at the time.
		The being was just standing there.
		He wasn't doing anything.
		He had large black eyes.
		We had a light on our wellhouse out in the back at 1005 South K Street, Midland, Texas.
		I know exactly where I lived.
		I knew every rock on that lot.
		And this being stood there, and at that point, I was very frightened by looking at him.
		And he looked at me with his large round black eyes, not the almond ones.
		Yes.
		And he began, at that point, induced a paralysis.
		And I became so frightened, I pushed so hard against the wall, I fell, pushed the bed apart from the wall and fell on the floor.
		My little rear end was up and legs were on the bed, and my head and shoulders were on the floor.
		And he lifted up the covers on the other side of the bed and looked under the bed and looked at me.
		And those large black eyes programmed an image of a clown.
		Now you wonder why so many abductees have clown phobias.
		And they don't know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I say, any being that can do what these beings can do to us mentally, aside from somebody like yourself working for our side, what hope do we have?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, even as a four-year-old, I had an ability I didn't know.
		And it's called resistance.
		And what happened is I would not allow him to do that.
		As he changed his image to me to look like a clown, his image kept changing back to what he really looked like because I wanted to remember him for what he was.
		And I have never been deceived by the image of something else they've programmed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they want with us?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Lord, have mercy.
		I have no idea.
		I mean, I wished I had all the wonderful answers in the world.
		And some of my detractors seem to think I have those.
		I do not.
		I wished I did.
		That's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your best guess?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have six reasons why I think they may be picking us up.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I can't prove this, and there may be a hundred reasons, but there seem to be at least six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		One of the reasons, and I'll give them in three sets of twos, the first is science and technical.
		When I spoke to Pat Parnello, he's the gentleman that we did the surgery on his hand and took the implant out.
		Wonderful man.
		I told him there's something different about you.
		And he looked at me as a very kind and a very good gentleman and would not brag on himself at all.
		And he said, there's nothing different about me.
		I said, oh, yes, there is.
		I said, feed that to somebody else.
		I said, you're so different.
		I said, I promise you, they're after you for a reason.
		I said, it's science or technical.
		I suspect that's where you're at.
		And he said, but I'm not a scientist and I'm not this.
		And I said, I don't care.
		And then he sat down and showed me some of the most incredible technical stuff I ever saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		For hours.
		So science and technical, but they're not interested in your skill.
		They don't care if you have two or three PhDs in science.
		That's not what they're after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are they after?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They're after the way you process science and technical data.
		You seem to process differently than other people, and Pat is a beautiful example of it.
		My senior investigator is a beautiful example of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		No, that makes sense.
		They would already know what we know.
		They already know what we need to do.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They're interested in the way you process.
		You process something different than they do, than other people.
		You're not necessarily smarter or anything like that.
		I don't say that at all.
		The second group of two things seems to be spiritual and psychical.
		And in this, again, they're not after Billy Graham.
		They don't want the brilliant and top people in spiritual things or the top psychics in the world, Gene Dixon or something like that.
		They're not interested.
		They're interested in how you process.
		As if they're looking for a neural level of how you do differently than any other person.
		And then the third level has to do with physiological or psychological learning abilities, in which you're either not taught anything or you're taught very little.
		Now, when I presented this theory at Bob Brown's conference years ago, Dr. Carla Turner, a dear friend of mine, was sitting out there with her husband Elton, and they were listening to this, and a lady stood up in the middle of one of my detractors, actually stood up in the middle of the conference and just shouted, she says, prove it.
		And I told her that I said, I fit in the last two categories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which are?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The physiological and psychological learning with very little training or no training.
		She said, prove it.
		And I said, well, young lady, I said, I have at the time a third-degree black belt in Japanese karate.
		She says, a lot of people have that.
		I said, well, this is not like some systems where you can order your belt in advance.
		I said, lady, I said, this is something you have to earn.
		It's about like a four-year education.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And she says, so, a lot of people have that.
		And I said, yes, but they probably had a teacher.
		I said, go try to get a third-degree black belt in Shotokan karate anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this was done without your own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you have ways, you have learning abilities at some level, not necessarily with an IQ of 600.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It has nothing to do with how smart you are.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It has to do with the way you process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way you process.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's all it is.
		It's not anyone being more intelligent than anyone.
		And I just listed a host of things.
		And finally, this lady got real ticked off.
		And finally, I told her something else.
		I said, the next thing I'm going to tell you, Sugar, I said, I taught myself how to walk over broken glass and fire in a martial art demonstration at New Mexico State University for the associated students with 250 people present.
		It's on film.
		I said, I'd be glad to show it to you if you'd like.
		I said, in that particular demonstration, I'm transferring my ability to another person.
		I'm a white belt at the time, and he's a black belt.
		I said, that's all on film if you want to watch it.
		And I said, now I have a question for you, young lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have all this on your videotapes?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Well, she says, what's the question?
		And I said, how would you like to play?
		I said, you know, we can do this with you, too.
		Well, boy, she backed off real fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But the point is, those are Six things that seem to me, they seem to be interested in.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There may be a hundred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the genetic and reproductive angles?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you really hit a major chord here.
		Let me just touch on that.
		And this gets a little scary.
		Most people think that we're here, they're here to, quote-unquote, they've improved this and they've done this or they've even made us.
		I don't think that's the case at all.
		There's an ancient saying in the Bible that says you were created wonderfully.
		When you study that, you find out that in every biological sense, in every mental sense, that we are an incredible creation.
		Well, the amazing thing about that is that when you find that you have 15 billion neurons and 150,000 miles of neural network inside your head, most of which you probably never used in your entire life, probably don't use over a few hundred feet of it, if you don't use your brain, somebody's going to probably do it for you.
		Governments will, dictators will, and so will other beings from other places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Daryl Simps.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the interesting thing about this is in the breeding program, some people, if you look at the breeding program that's going on and what's going on in ancient times from ancient literature, from, well, according to Sitchin, they basically bred people to be slaves.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's not a very high or high ideal for mankind, even if that were true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is indeed what he believes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what the man says.
		So it seems that according to him and some other people, they seem to be breeding us up.
		My view is that we better be looking at it a little differently.
		They may not be breeding us up.
		They may be breeding themselves up.
		Or they may be breeding us down or out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or using us to refresh their genetic pool.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		If that is the case.
		But the point is they're doing something and they will not tell you what it is.
		And I'll tell you a major thing I am very concerned about.
		I'm real concerned about the easy stuff that hypnotists and others are finding.
		It's just too easy.
		It's the stuff that's behind that's what you better be looking for.
		And I'll even give them a great hint.
		After you hear everything, and this is what I did with the lady on the mass abduction.
		She was the last one that I interviewed out of the eight.
		And I asked the question.
		I said, is there anything else that you saw, you sensed, you heard in any way that you can tell me?
		Anything that I've missed?
		And she said, no, you've got everything.
		We've been there for hours.
		I said, okay.
		I said, I want to ask you one last question.
		She said, okay.
		I said, is there anything that you're not supposed to tell me?
		And she stayed for an hour and a half and described my last abduction event when I was 17 years old.
		She described all five of those beings.
		They're not listed in the literature anywhere.
		She described them in detail.
		She described what they did, everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sent this back to you?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		No, she overheard it on the craft.
		That was her interpretation.
		Well, she does not know to this day whether she was right or correct because I never did tell her.
		But I'll tell you one thing, she stood the hair up on the back of my neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you seem to keep an awful lot of this very close to the vest.
		All right, Daryl, hold on.
		When we get back, we are going to take phone calls from a physician in the audience.
		Art, I hope that all out there, including MDS, psychiatrists et al., and psychologists, are listening very carefully.
		And there is more involved here than contacts that are transformative and designed to raise our consciousness.
		This is serious business, and it deserves the skills and serious evaluation that Daryl Sims and others of his caliber offer.
		Serious business, indeed.
		Can you imagine sending a message to them?
		It's something I've wondered about for years.
		When we get back, we are going to open the phone lines.
		Daryl Sims is an expert in abduction and hard evidence.
		If you want or have something to say to him, now's the time.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and here I am again.
		Daryl Sims is my guest, and I'll tell you the kind of responses I'm getting on the phone.
		I screened the first few calls, which we do when we have a guest.
		I said, do you have a question for Daryl Sims?
		First response was, I sure as hell do.
		So I guess we've got something coming up here.
		Daryl Sims, a guy off into some pretty frightening areas with regard to E.T.'s very frightening areas, actually.
		Here he is once again.
		Daryl, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Our phone connection seems to be holding up.
		Let's go to the phone line and see what we get.
		All right?
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, guys.
		You connect it with New Jersey.
		Kathy here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kathy.
unidentified		All right.
		I have a daughter, 23 years old, who was born with what's called microcephaly.
		It's smallness of the brain.
		I was always told that she wasn't going to walk or talk or do anything of the sorts and to put her away, and I never did.
		And she's not a genius, but she's doing pretty good.
		Around age 11, I got the scare of my life, and I never forgot it.
		But not being able to communicate with a child like this, how the hell am I going to find out if what I saw was true?
		She was always afraid of going into the bed, so she slept on the couch like a lot of kids do, chill around age 10 and a half.
		I looked out in the hallway, which is about a good 30 feet from where I was sleeping, and I saw what you guys call a regular gray.
		Those eyes looked at me.
		I could not get up out of the bed, but I looked at it and I said, get the hell away from her.
		And with my eye contact, it did leave.
		She changed from that night on, she went to sleep in the bed.
		But for one solid year, she would not take her shoes or socks off without going into a tantrum.
		Her attitude changed about a year later.
		That year later, she got violent tantrums.
		She still to this day is very irritable.
		She draws pictures.
		She sees things on TV.
		And when she does see these people that look like this, she smiles.
		I say, are you afraid of them?
		She says, no.
		That I can contact.
		But I have this weird feeling that I really should find out what happened.
		It's left us very uncomfortable.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree with you that you should find out what happened.
		I don't mean to imply to others out there, I have very many friends who are "contactees" and I don't mean to offend anyone.
		Just because my events were different and others may have been radically different, different, I certainly don't mean to indicate that.
		There are people who even have apparently been better off physically from some of their events as a result of their contacts.
		We have a lot more cases where that was not the case.
		Bob Pratt in his wonderful book, UFO Danger Zone, 30 years of work that he did of contacts that have been going on in Brazil, in the Amazon region, that have absolutely devastated those people.
		We know of one case where the man's eyes were surgically removed, a case I'm working on now in Brazil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you recommend to this lady?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I recommend that she find somebody, and I'm very careful here.
		You find somebody that has skills that can do, number one, that understands the physical condition of the person involved through a doctor or a neurologist or whoever would be, and have them deal with that along that line.
		I think that it would be wise to find out what actually happened.
		And I mean, it's rather interesting that there's two separate views here.
		The girl has a view that they're okay, and you have a view that something else is there, something a little frightening.
		Calvin Parker and his friend had two separate views when they came off the craft, too.
		One of them thought he had practically seen the face of God, and the other one came out with himself cut to pieces.
		Literally.
unidentified		The opposite.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So my view, you should find somebody.
		In the kindest way, when it comes to my brain or my head, somebody's going to be working on, they're going to be the best.
		Or they're not going to be doing anything for me.
unidentified		You bet.
unidentified		Well, I'll be trying to leave you some voicemail very soon.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Please, let me give you my regular phone.
		Just my you can contact me by email at daryl at holman.net.
		That's D-E-R-R-E-L.
unidentified		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		At Holman, H-O-L-M-A-N dot net.
		That's Daryl at Holman.net.
		Because there is more, and I just will contact me there, I will be glad to spend enormous time with you and help you and try to get you someone or assist in any way I can.
		I'm very interested in making sure that you get the help that you want.
unidentified		Yeah, because there is a communicative problem here.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much, and good luck to you.
		Here's the facts, Daryl.
		My question for Daryl is this.
		Since he said he was a Christian during the beginning of the interview, has he ever considered that these creatures, in quotes, are of a demonic nature, may be perpetuating the story to satisfy their own end means?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's entirely possible.
		I have to address his two ways.
		Number one, I am a Christian, and I am, I hope, a pretty good Bible student, have been for many years, and I'm very interested in that and fascinated with it.
		The second area I have to address is the fact I'm also an investigator.
		Investigator does just that.
		They find evidence.
		They don't come to conclusions and then go looking for it.
		They find evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They find evidence.
		Right, all right.
		But along that line then, from Hawaii, the following.
		With the aliens possessing such advanced technical capabilities, wouldn't it be rather easy for them to create a false memory that we would be unable to unlock, even with hypnosis and regression, and that, in fact, the information Mr. Sims is bringing forth might just as likely be planted?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is entirely possible.
		One of the things that was rather amusing in the mass abduction event is I had given Dale a post-hypnotic suggestion as well, that if he ever came into contact with one of these beings to take control of him the same way they do us.
		And he did.
		And it was amazing to me that the beings that were present giving the being instructions to get Dale out of the area, the being couldn't do it.
		And the being was just shaking because Dale was giving it commands mentally the same way that they give them to us.
		That suggests to me that the neurology of the beings, especially the smaller ones, seems to be very simplistic and very easy to maneuver.
		The beings themselves, in my opinion, just based on what I'm finding, seems to have an enormous hierarchy.
		The ones that we normally come into contact with and see are really low end of the food chain.
		There's no question of that.
		But to address back in the other direction for this other guy's question, for this person, there are a few cases where angelic beings apparently, or at least reportedly, and I have to use that term reported because we don't know, reportedly show up on occasion.
		This is usually pretty rare when you hear these stories, but in cases where that has occurred, the alien presence, regardless of their rank or ability or whatever they are, they hightail it.
		Now that, to me, signals some real interesting things if the story is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does, if it is.
		Hello, Art.
		Ask Daryl about means of protection against these beings.
		There has to be a way.
		Let's not portray humans as totally defenseless.
		I don't think you've done that.
		You've pointed out that they do have weak points.
		What is a good defense?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are resistance techniques that Andruffel and others have worked on, and others, and I'm working with a group of people now to explore this because it's important for me to be able to offer somebody, if they feel like they need defense techniques, to do just that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something.
		I've Also, heard that they are not physically strong.
		I've heard reports from a number of abduction cases, including Travis Walton, for example, where these beings have been punched or pushed and were punched and pushed very easily.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This is true.
		I can tell you that from my own experience.
		One of the things that one can do, and I'm going to give a list of them, and of course these are, as I said, I'm a Christian and I have ideas that I feel that are valid and certainly want to see those tested out there in the realm as well if it's going to happen.
		By the same token, there are other people who made suggestions that I feel that should be exploited as well and see what works.
		Some of them in existing here is some people have actually used prayer and some of these, I have to admit, are not Christians.
		One lady who was a Buddhist priest told me she used the name Jesus and I asked her, I said, why are you using a resistance technique of the name of Jesus to, I mean, you are Buddhist.
		And she says, well, I may be Buddhist, but I'm not stupid.
		So I appreciated her statement.
		I mean, whatever works, that's fine for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And some people use visualization with white lights surrounding them and so on.
		Some people actually use spiritual and mental techniques.
		I use post-hypnotic suggestions because they're effective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's entirely possible, Daryl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This whole thing is spiritual in nature.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's entirely possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, is it my turn?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's your turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to yell at us a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay, I'm just a little bit nervous.
		I've had things happen to me, and it's caused me at times to question my sanity, and at other times it seems very real to me.
		And so I'm just kind of torn.
		I know that I'm given to dramatics, but there are just things that have happened to me that make me think maybe there's something deeper to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of things?
unidentified		The most recent happenings are I will lie down at night to go to bed.
		This has happened twice.
		I'll lie down to go to bed, and I'll just be closing my eyes to drift off, and there will be a really brilliant flash of light.
		And I open my eyes, and it's dark, and I go to sleep.
		And then I have what I've come to call teaching dreams.
		And I wake up without any memory of what I was taught.
		But the one that stands out most clearly is just before I came to out of the dream, there was a being.
		I couldn't see a face.
		It's a voice that I heard inside my head.
		I don't know if it was male or female, saying, we'll come back and we will talk to you at about 6 o'clock in the morning, I think it was, they gave it time, in the future.
		So that's happened.
		I've had dreams of like almost an invasion force with the spaceships and stuff, which could be anything.
		It could be watching too much X-Files, only to find that three or four people the next day that I come in contact with have had almost identical dreams.
		And that's a little blood-chilling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very chilling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, mass dreams, similar dreams, typical?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Many times when they pick up people in an area, they'll pick up several.
		And sometimes they'll install the same, usually end-of-the-world scenarios.
		In my case, when I was quite young, they gave me an end-of-the-world scenario, and I was standing there in the midst of a red sky.
		I mean, people running, screaming insanely, and I'm standing there wondering, what's going on here?
		The fact is, if you could shake yourself right then, you'll find that if you're in the craft or wherever it is they take you, that there is no end of the world or anything.
		That, in fact, that's all a surrealistic image given by them, and you'll find them standing there watching you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Projected for what purpose?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's a real good question.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Except for the physical evidence that you continue to uncover, it all fits into almost a spiritual war going on.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That seems to be the case from a number of things.
		I have some questions I ask people who take the opposite view, and I've never been able to get an answer from them yet.
		And I'll go into that in a moment because undoubtedly we'll get one on the phone here in a minute, and I'll ask them.
		We'll work it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, first time call our line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Daryl Sims.
unidentified		Hi.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mr. Sims.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, my name is Todd.
		I'm calling from Fort Hood, Texas.
		You probably know where that is.
		I sure do.
		Okay.
		I'm assigned to an organization called INSCOM.
		Do you know what that means?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
unidentified		Intelligence and Security Command?
		Yes, being the old Army Security Agency?
		Yes.
		I'm what they call a 98-kilo, if you know what that means.
		Okay?
		And basically my job, without going into a lot of detail, is we listen to everything.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And this event.
unidentified		My question is, have you ever encountered any of this when you are on active duty?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I did not encounter anything directly.
		What I did encounter, what I did do while I was in the Central Intelligence Safety was investigate several UFO events that occurred, and I found out some other information indirectly that I want to get permission to be able to publish it.
		Good luck because I think that it will tie into it.
		But I didn't have direct contact myself.
		What did happen in the Houston UFO Network meeting several years ago is a gentleman came and visited the meeting.
		There were three of us speaking.
		I was speaking that night on implants.
		This was years before no one even knew what an implant was at that point, as far as aliens were concerned.
		And I was speaking on implants that night and what I thought we would find.
		And this gentleman wrote me a letter afterward.
		And he identified himself as being in the Central Intelligence Agency.
		He identified himself in an area very similar to where you're at.
		He watched traffic come across his desk, and he saw something one day that absolutely frightened him.
		And he told me about it.
		Now, I didn't particularly necessarily believe his story, nor him claiming disability or having this information until he identified certain things that I knew that only agency people would know.
		One of the things I found rather interesting is he told me about something that was going to occur and two things.
		He said, number one, he said the area you're in and the area of implants, he said, you need to exploit as quickly as you can.
		He said, you're there.
		And I thought that was rather interesting.
		This was years before we did any surgeries.
		Number two, he told me of an event that was going to occur involving a zombie-like person.
		And I thought, well, this has got to be the farthest out thing I've ever heard.
		And shortly after that, he sent me an article shortly after he predicted this.
		And he just said, it begins.
		And it showed an article from the FBI of a person in a zombie-like state robbing banks.
		He used no gun.
		He didn't do anything.
		He just walks in, tells you giving money, and everybody does, and they don't know why they do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to the Manchurian Kennedy.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Very strange.
		And he predicted that long before the event.
		And he sent me the, I have the newspaper articles.
		They cannot catch this guy after nine bank robberies.
unidentified		Wow.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		No gun, nothing, no getaway car, just walks out.
unidentified		Well, I do appreciate you answering my question, sir.
		The event I wanted to relate to you, again, I can't corroborate any of this.
		It happened in 88.
		I was assigned to a unit in Lebanon doing what we do up there.
		And we were tracking, basically, watching the Israelis and the Syrians play their games up around 15,000 feet.
		And there was a couple of Syrian MiG-21s that were tracking an object that their GCI had ordered them to intercept.
		And one of the pilots evidently got lost.
		He turned back.
		Evidently the flight leader, the more experienced pilot, closed with the target.
		And I was hearing this secondhand because my specialty is Morse code.
		The Arabic linguist was what kind of relaying this, you know, half out, half off.
		And he got very agitated at the end.
		And it took us a while.
		He had to work through the translation.
		But he started describing some type of cylindrical object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, can you hold on through the break?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Sure, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, standby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
unidentified		Closed with what target?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With what results?
		All right, we're going to take a break here at the bottom of the era.
		Daryl Sims is my guest.
		The topic by now should be obvious.
		I'm Mark Bellin.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the Wildcard Line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
		That's area code 702-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		My guest is Daryl Sims.
		The topic, alien implants, alien contact, alien abduction.
		It's on the wild side, but it's real.
		Real is a heart attack.
		Good morning.
unidentified		You may still have time, but it might still get by.
		Every time I think about it, I won't cry.
		With bombs and a deal, then the kids can't cry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually a remarkable program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reminiscent of the Manchurian candidate.
unidentified		The Manchurian.
unidentified		The Manchurian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you Back now to Daryl Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've got this very interesting caller.
		Caller, you want to finish your story?
		I mean, here we've got something closing with a contact, some sort of cylindrical object.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Well, to cut a lot of, make a long story short, this Syrian fighter pilot, evidently, he continued to close with this cylindrical object, and he kept describing it.
		And about 15 minutes after he got visual sighting, he asked permission to engage.
		Well, there was a lot of hemming and hawing between, evidently, the headquarters types.
		But eventually, about 15 minutes later, he's been pacing this thing the entire time, they gave him permission to engage, and he locked on.
		He got a solid radar lock with one of his missiles, and he released.
		And three seconds after that, he went OTA, which is off the air.
		I mean, his carrier was gone.
		I mean, he was out of there.
		Well, this is where it gets really interesting, because we were plotting where he was on our map, and he basically, he was not too far from where we were.
		So, being that this was broad daylight, by the way.
		This is like late in the afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
		So, we kept, we were waiting for, you know, see, like, a smoke plume for where this guy was coming down.
		And we heard a, we heard maybe not heard a bit.
		You ever feel shellfire or feel vibrations, something hitting very hard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, yes.
unidentified		Very close?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, yes.
unidentified		We felt it.
		We didn't hear a thing.
		And we finally did see a smoke plume, which we figured was about five clicks away.
		So we figured, you know, what the hey?
		We grabbed the Cut V and we all piled in, leaving a few people behind to sit on the thermite charges for the equipment.
		And we rolled on over there, keeping an eye out because, you know, where we were wasn't exactly, you know, everybody was going to shoot at us, basically.
		So they call it a free fire zone.
		But we rolled over there and we found what we first we thought he'd just been shot.
		So he fired, he got in an engagement, and he just was shot down.
		We got closer to the wreckage and we noticed a lot of odd things, which the main thing was nothing was twisted.
		The plane had evidently the smoke we'd seen was from the fuel igniting.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's very difficult to describe.
unidentified		It was like somebody parks the plane and then took it apart bit by bit and then threw the bits and pieces everywhere.
		They weren't burned.
		It wasn't a plane wreck.
		It wasn't like you hit the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was like it was taken apart in the air?
unidentified		And then put on the ground.
unidentified		And what we'd seen from the smoke plume was the fuel igniting because the fuel tanks were exposed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And there was a JP-4 everywhere.
		And it doesn't take a whole lot for that stuff to go off.
		Sure.
		And there was exposed electrical equipment, and evidently something had sparked, and that had like settled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, understandable.
unidentified		And we found the pilot.
		And, you know, he was a Syrian Army officer.
		He was a major.
		And he was basically like he was like he was asleep.
		He hadn't punched out.
		He was not in his chair.
		He was laying on his back.
		And he was like he just got out of the plane, laid down, and then he died.
		I mean, he was dead.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This, you know, we had damage to the body.
unidentified		It was like, like I said, it's like he got out, parked the plane, took it apart, and then laid down and died.
		We couldn't find anything wrong with him.
		I mean, we took all the, you know, we did our job.
		We took all the, you know, you know, the material that we could take as far as incidentals, like books, anything, you know what I'm talking about.
		Sure, of course.
		But this weirded us out to a very large effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I appreciate the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what a hell of a story.
unidentified		I've never told, you have this amazing, I've been listening to you about six months, and I'm going like, this was pretty wild.
		And then I expect to get through tonight.
		And right now I'm, as Mr. Sims will aware, you have a fan club, Art, and many organizations with alphabet soup in their names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, sir.
		Thank you.
		Pretty wild story, Daryl.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we had a situation in which literally 200 conscripts of the Iranian army on the second day of the Iran-Iraq war were all abducted at the same time.
		Now, these are all professional people, doctors, lawyers, they're all officers.
		The amazing thing about it is nine UFOs came over on the second day of the Iran-Iraq war, and they thought that what those things up there were were some secret objects that we had craft that we had sold the Iraqis to use against them.
		So they started firing our Hawk missiles at them, and were not able to hit them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good God.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And shortly after that, they abducted all 200 people present.
		Absolutely amazing case.
		We're still following it.
		We have an Iranian general that is confirming some information.
		I have a case with him I'm working on.
		He was a major during the time of the Shah of Iran.
		And he reports, based on interviews that Dr. Lear and I have done with him, that he may have had missing time during the time he was actually trailing a UFO in his airplane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are about to go back to war with Iraq.
		It would appear to be very close.
		Nobody's going to join us, even Qatar, the small country, and most other Arab countries have declined to participate.
		But it looks like we're about to go back to war again.
		With Boris Yeltsin threatening World War III from Russia, the Chinese threatening, we're in a pretty tenuous position and moment in history, Darrell.
		If there was going to be intervention, you would imagine it would be close.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		If we're going to look for intervention, I don't think we're going to find it from a stack of UFOs anywhere.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's going to have to be a little higher than that, in my view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Kathy and Reno.
		Yes, Kathy.
		Boy, am I happy with you?
		Mr. Sims, this is truly an honor.
		I'd like to engage you for just a moment.
		First, I feel as though everything that every little bit and piece of information I'm already familiar with, like the clown thing.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And everything you've mentioned.
		I feel like you and I sat in the same classroom together or something.
		It's very strange.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		When you read my book when it comes out, it's going to absolutely stagger you.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There's things in there that people have never even heard of.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		I am already staggered.
		I'm beside myself this morning.
		Anyway, okay.
		Your conclusions and manner of tracking their intentions I think are absolutely logical and by the numbers.
		You're the first person I've ever heard of who is initiating aggressive intellectual interactions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proactive issues.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		And it's dangerous, but it's brilliant because it's our only chance to combat and halt this intrusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very dangerous.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yes, it is, but it's the only way that we're going to prove ourselves as opponents that will not necessarily allow this to...
		I have a question, Sir, okay.
		Let me see.
		My brain function has been accelerating for a long time.
		Art, I'm the one that called last night and asked Ames about the location if that was where he found it, and he said yes.
		Okay, along those lines, I've got extreme acceleration, so I don't feel like I've ever been abducted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you think that you have a different way of assembling information?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		My brain function is it amazes me because my comprehensive skills are out the window, and I just am constantly being bombarded with information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This lady, Darrell, called last night, and Ed Dames believes that he has found a Stargate, and she was able to identify the general physical location where he found it.
		Very, very interesting lady.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Daryl Sims.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, and Mr. Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Art, I think you're likening this situation to the Manchurian candidate may be more prophetic than you know.
		I want to mention to your audience out there that there's a U.S. News and World Report article of January 24th, 1994, that may be very interesting in this regard.
		Mr. Sims, when did you cease work from the CIA?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I worked for the Central Intelligence Agency.
		I went in the military in 10 March 68.
		I got out in 1971.
		I spent a year in Korea.
		I spent two years in the Central Intelligence Agency from 68 to 1970.
unidentified		Okay, because this article here is titled Cold War Guinea Pigs, the Government's Secret Experiments Using Radiation Mind Control Chemicals and Drugs on its Citizens.
unidentified		And it goes on to the report, talks about how thousands, possibly thousands of people were worked on by the government under the theory that we needed to, because of the Cold War, they were given LSD, electroshocks.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I am familiar with this and that what you're saying is in fact true.
unidentified		So do you think this could something that I've just kind of gotten into recently is the whole issue of mind control for a very good movie would be Conspiracy Theory.
		I think everyone should watch that.
		Sure, I've seen it.
		But how do you think this could be linked with the whole abduction phenomenon?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You bring up a very good question, and I'd love to address that.
		First of all, we have several different layers in this abduction business.
		One of the discussions that Carla Turner and I had many times was the military, quote-unquote, aspect of this.
		In other words, these people would be abducted and there would be these guys standing there in military uniforms.
		And my response to her is, well, I don't doubt that there are things being done in the intelligence community to some people.
		I said, it is a known fact that LSD and other things were used on people and disease germs were spread over New York City.
		I mean, these are facts.
		I mean, the CIA and other groups got sued for this sort of thing.
		It actually happened.
		The situation I had with Candy or Carla Turner was this.
		I said, some of the problems I'm having with some of the people, with these quote-unquote military guys standing there with their name tags and stripes on or bars or whatever they've got, is do you think that anybody in the military would be stupid enough to wear their uniform with a name tag on it if they were going to abduct you and it was going to be a super secret, ultra-secret, secret deal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only if they thought there'd be no memory.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing is that memory can be retrieved.
		It would seem to me, number one, and because we've seen this with the abduction phenomena, with the alien, they will often install the memory of the military people present.
		I mean, if you want to get your guns off of them and onto someone else, blame somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Because we'll buy that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't mean that there isn't military people doing this sort of thing, but they just wouldn't be wearing their uniforms, is what I'm saying.
unidentified		I can ask you two questions real quick here.
		This one may be kind of the wall.
		Do you think it's possible that Tim McVeigh could be a menturing candidate?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This I have no idea.
		I just absolutely have no idea.
		I've heard this theory before, and I just don't know.
		I mean, I wouldn't know how to address that.
unidentified		And number two, do you think we could be set up for some type of massive deception via the whole issue of abductions?
unidentified		And I'll get off the line and listen to your comments.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sure, sure.
		The possibility does in fact abduction exist, and if these beings can do strange things to the mind, human mind, therefore abductions may not have ever even occurred.
		This is entirely possible.
		The problem I have with that is this.
		Number one, UFOs are real because they can be seen.
		If they can be seen, they're reflecting light.
		If they're reflecting light, they're real.
		The event is real.
		You're photographing something real.
		Often you can photograph, and in one case in Gulf Breeze, a UFO changed color 118 times in a second and a half.
		I talked to the expert, Jeff Sino, who studied that photo.
		The fact is that something is there.
		Some kind of craft is actually there.
		The beings are, in fact, really real.
		I'll be receiving a photograph within a few days which alleges, and a very good friend of mine says that you'll see a craft here and you'll also see two beings in it.
		If that's the case, that would be rather interesting to study to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Something clear enough that you can actually see the beings sitting inside the craft, apparently.
		And I've got several other photographs that I've got some photographs that are just going to blow your mind when you see them in the book being pictures of the aliens.
		It is my opinion that what we're going to see if we ever really, quote-unquote, photograph one up close and we ever get it done, and it can be done, because I've got some techniques that I'm going to work on.
		Here very soon, I've got a benefactor who said they would even help finance this project.
		But I think the beings can actually be photographed.
		I think you can actually photograph the abduction experience and not even let them know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People have tried to video record abduction.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It won't work that way.
		They'll never have.
		They'll spot it every time.
		You will never film an abduction that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My understanding is that generally either the videotape is blank, the machine is turned off, or in some way it never works.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They spot the machine on.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact is they can read, they examine your thinking before they get there, and they know what's in that room because they know what you're thinking and what you've set up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I don't see what chance we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they have the ability to manipulate our thinking the way you're suggesting they do.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But they can't do everything.
		There are holes in their thinking.
		One of the things that a very important person in the UFO field asked me one time, he says, well, I find you very controversial.
		And I said, and what is that, sir?
		And he says, well, you said that these little grays are not that intelligent.
		He said, that's outrageous, and I don't see how you could possibly make that kind of a statement.
		And I said, it's real simple.
		I said, watch my lips.
		They're not that intelligent.
		He said, What do you mean?
		I said, well, let me ask you a question.
		Have you ever seen an alien?
		No.
		Have you ever seen a UFO?
		No.
		Have you ever had a close encounter of first, second, third, or fourth kind?
		No.
		Then what qualifies you to tell me anything about an alien?
		I said, I've been there up close and personal.
		You might say I was a captive audience for about 17 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Frank in Custer, Washington, he says, a hell of a program, Art.
		One possibility is that we humans might be, to a certain group of aliens, virtually a resource, just like everything else on the planet.
		Simply a resource.
		Could we be that to them?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This is possible.
		I think the thing that we need to be looking at, I think the implant thing is certainly a serious thing, whatever they may be.
		But I think what's really important is that we need to find out what this breeding business is.
		Everybody has different ideas about that.
		I don't really care what the theories are.
		I really care about what the data really will suggest.
		And let me preface that by saying this, that when I talk about these screensaver memories, this illustration I use on your computer, we have found as many as three layers of screensavers before we ever really got to the real memory of what happened in that event.
		And that individual did not know the difference between any of those three.
		And if the hypnostist doesn't know that, he'll go to one or go to two or the third or whatever.
		And whatever he pulls out, he'll consider that the big one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darrell, there is a lot of very strange behavior in modern society.
		Really strange, unaccountable behavior.
		How can we know that it isn't the result of repeated abduction and instilled memory?
		Manchurian candidate stuff.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This is a frightening aspect, and I certainly hope that it is not the case.
		There are situations that do bother me.
		One such situation is a case I had in the middle of the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the caller mentioned Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just one.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's just one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
		Hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour again.
		Daryl Sims is my guest.
		You want to know about Daryl Sims?
		Go up to my website, click on his name, and take a look at his top secret clearance, now converted to secret.
		Just so you know who you're listening to, I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		I can't remember.
		Can't stay alive without your love.
		Oh, baby, don't go near me.
		Falling deep from your eyes.
		He might be pretty, baby, but my love, my love, my love.
		So kiss me.
		I want to see you kiss him.
		I want to see you kiss him.
		Goodbye.
		Na-na-na-na-na-na-na.
		Oh, baby, goodbye.
		Goodbye.
		Goodbye.
		From the Kingdom of Night, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how you fight somebody who can control what you see and perceive.
		Daryl Sims says you can.
		It's hard for me to understand.
		you Well, all right, we're going to try to reserve this hour away for you and Daryl Sims.
		Daryl, are you there?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I am here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you can make it through the hour?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Not a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here they come.
		First time caller the line.
		You're on the air with Daryl Sims.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Rick from Fresno, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-F-R-E.
unidentified		Yes.
		Outstanding show tonight.
		Thank you.
		My one question to Mr. Sims is not discounting the creation theory with God and not discounting that, but what is his opinion that maybe we were seated here,
		brought from another place, seated, and now the results of the abductions and everything are just basically results of them checking up on us and following up on their research to see how we're progressing as a whole.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's an interesting thought, and I think these are the type of things that we need to ask, obviously.
		My response to that is simply that there are a number of things we need to be looking at.
		One is exactly what exactly is happening.
		In other words, things are too simple.
		I mean, we're finding them doing thousands of the same basic procedures on people over and over and over.
		I mean, either you're so slow you can't get it, or that's not what you're really doing.
		But that's what we're supposed to think you're doing.
		There's so much deception involved in this stuff that you try to keep this logical mind about it.
		You know, we'll just do this and do that, and you'll find these logical things will happen.
		It'll all be science.
		It'll just be higher science, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just not always true.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It just isn't gelling out to be that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I don't understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate your saying that.
		I'm wary of people who have answers for everything, Daryl.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
		Good morning.
		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Everett, Washington.
		My name's Jeff.
		All right, Jeff.
		I got a couple of questions for you.
		One of them, Daryl, you mentioned You're a Christian, and I'm wondering: have you been a Christian for a long time?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Since I was six years old.
unidentified		Since you were six years old.
		That's correct.
		Because I've recently read a book by a gentleman named Chuck Messler.
		Yes.
		Alien Encounters.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I know the book.
unidentified		And one of his claims was that a Christian cannot be abducted.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That is not true.
unidentified		Okay.
		I thought the same thing, too.
		And I've recently had some experiences in my dreams, and I too am a Christian, which led me to believe that perhaps he was wrong.
		I'm not going to go into that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Of course.
		Not the place to argue it.
unidentified		Back to Genesis 6 when it talks about the Benai Elohim and the Nephilim.
unidentified		Are you familiar with this?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am very familiar with it.
unidentified		Okay, and back into Jude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I guess we lost him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was about to talk, though, about the Nephilim.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There was a genetic engineering that occurred there.
		And it is significant that not only did the beings that fell, and Sitchin uses the term the ones who came down, but that's not the actual Hebrew term.
		It means the ones who fell.
		I mean, they were thrown out, is what it means.
		And if you take the biblical position, which I do, that these beings were thrown out, they came here, they apparently interbred with women and produced giants.
		That was just the first genetic offspring that occurred.
		This occurred actually after the children of Israel went over to the land of Canaan.
		They found the giants also there.
		They found several races of them.
		But my point is this.
		If you follow that story further over into Isaiah, you'll find that when these giants were drowned out by the flood and so on and killed off and so on, they did not, in the Christian thinking and Arabs and others, many of them feel the same way.
		When you die, you go to heaven or hell or whatever.
		The Nephilim, the races of giants or those that were innerbred, they didn't go anywhere.
		They stayed here.
		And this kind of answers some of the questions some of these people are bringing up.
		These are the demonic spirits that people talk about.
		The demons are not the aliens.
		It says that the Raphim, which is one, it's a generic term for the Nephilim.
		The Raphim shall not rise in the resurrection simply because they're already here.
		They didn't go anywhere.
		They're still here.
		And those are, in fact, the cases of demon possession you find.
		That is not mental illness or anything like that.
		I saw two bona fide cases of demon possession in Korea.
		I never saw anything like it.
		I mean, I took a senior course in psychology my freshman year.
		Out of 18 different areas of psychopathology, they didn't fit any of them.
		So maybe that'll help answer some of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Mr. Sims?
		Hello.
		I, when I was a child, had an experience that I believe was a UFO, a close encounter of the first kind, with my uncle who has since passed on.
		And since that time, I've seen them numerous times under a variety of different circumstances.
		But I haven't had any, what I would consider missing time except for that very first time.
		I can't remember anything immediately before or after that first occurrence that I saw.
		And I was wondering if there was any way that you could tell for anything.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'm very glad to help you and answer that question.
		Here's what you need to do, the very first thing.
		You ready?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's what you do.
		One is you either email Darryl, D-E-R-R-E-L, at Hallman.net, H-O-L-M-A-N dot net, or you call the number 281-587-5455.
		And on there, you'll also get my personal number, and you can talk to me directly if you call.
		My phone bills are over $1,000 a month now, and so I will call people back, but on their dime, and talk to them as long as they want about this.
		But on there, you can request or call me on the internet and request our abduction forms, and I will be glad to get those to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, are you going to be busy?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will.
		And that's what I do.
		I'm looking for cases with physical evidence or cases where people can do something about their phenomena or choose to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I guess whoever it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our first-time caller online, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		This is Spike up in St. Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Spike.
unidentified		I've got a couple of questions.
		About eight or nine months ago, you had a couple of gentlemen on your program.
		One of them was losing his memory, and his buddy there was deciphering for him.
		And you had talked about the moon.
		But somehow the question never got answered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not recalling, I'm afraid, what you're talking about.
unidentified		Last week, you went back to the moon, and this was said somehow, either don't come back to the moon or don't go back to the moon.
unidentified		Oh, I was wondering what in the devil has happened, because we haven't traveled up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		He's referring to a NASA announcement that was made back on the 9th, a memo indicating that funding for all manned projects, manned spaceflight, off-planet, beyond low-Earth orbit, had been canceled.
		That's what he's referring to.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		If we take this gentleman's position, it wouldn't be a wise thing to do because if we're not going to the moon anyway, we should be stealing the money somehow.
		I think that's the indication.
		So that doesn't make any sense to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		My name's George, and I'm from Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, George.
unidentified		And I was abducted when I was five years Old that I remember.
		I didn't remember, but it was brought up in hypnosis.
		And again in 1967 at a military installation in the desert in California.
		And when we were returned, we reported, or I did, maybe I was the only one taken because the only thing I can figure, reported it to my platoon sergeant.
		And I was informed that he and other people out there had seen these things.
		This place was Hunter-Liggett Military Reservation in California, the Mojave Desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		For a UFO, it'd be a stone thrill from Area 51.
		And I was told to keep my mouth shut, and I said no.
		I wanted it on record.
		And it was put on record with my knowledge that if I didn't keep my mouth shut, I'd go to the psycho ward, which I did.
		And then I was drummed out of service.
		But anyway, when I was on this thing, there was five of them, I encountered what I took to be an angel or a deity of some type or sort because of the way I was just overwhelmed with abundant love and this thing was just so radiant it was a light source.
		And I've heard that's the way angels come sometime as an energy source or a form of energy.
		And I just wondered what your guest, if he's heard anything about these things, and if he'd like to contact me later, he can do so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, the other way around, you can contact him.
		We're hearing a lot of that, and I'm still pretty mixed up internally, Darrell, I've got to tell you, with regard to the spiritual side of this.
		Very mixed up about this.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		My general information for people, if they're a Christian, the statement that they need to know if they're having abductions is greater is he that is in you than is in the world.
		And for them, they'll understand that.
		But for people who are not, they're going to have to find something that will benefit them or help them if they want these abductions to stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But spiritual things don't leave implants in ears and hands and feet.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spiritual things don't fly around in crafts that can be photographed.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right on the money.
		I think where a lot of people are messed up on this issue is they're confusing demons, which are very real, in my view, for the alien.
		The alien is not a demon.
		It is something very real and very well used of whatever is going on, of whatever's behind it.
		And what all that is yet, I don't know.
		That's what the investigative part is still working.
		But as far as I think a lot of people are confusing some of these issues, and one of them is a good illustration of this, many abductees will report that they were overwhelmed by love of the being next to the gray being or the doctor type that was standing next to them.
		And if you get someone that really knows what they're doing hypnotically, and it doesn't have to be hypnosis, I mean, there are different ways to do this.
		You don't need hypnosis to do this sort of thing.
		You can recover a lot of good memory without hypnosis at all if you know what you're doing.
		But basically, this is a program.
		The being will put his eye, large black eye, right next to your face, next to your eye.
		And in about a quarter of a second, he'll program that entire event.
		And that's what you'll be left with.
		The problem is you don't know what really happened.
		You don't know.
		Another screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's somebody who wants to go back a little bit in the program.
		Daryl, at age 17, was able to stop his abductions.
		It ended violently.
		What did he actually do to accomplish this?
		In other words, describe that last abduction experience.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the last abduction experience I've never told anybody.
		That's why the lady that I gave the post-it my suggestion to, when she told me, described my last event, why I stood there with my hair straight up.
		And the reason is because no one knows about that event, and my wife doesn't even know the details of it.
		And yet this woman described every aspect of it.
		And I even asked her, is it, you know, because you think you're psychic or what?
		And she said, no.
		She said, I just overheard what they were thinking.
		So in my event, in all of my events, from me personally, and as I keep saying this, if I could do, resist to some degree this at four years old, you can do it at 40.
		It can be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, in what manner was it violent?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell us that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The last event that occurred, the five beings were there, literally, and this is why people say, you know, well, it must have been a bad dream or something.
		No, because the lock on the door was broken.
		But after they left, and they left a physical object, which I will report about in the book, of course, and which I still have.
		And the remarkable thing about the event is I was physically picked up and violently thrown around, and the event was just absolutely horrific.
		I went to my girlfriend the next night, and it started to get dark, and I became so phobic I couldn't stand it.
		I mean, you just know they're coming back.
		And I went and told my girlfriend of, I mean, I just thought the world of her, and she's as fine a lady as you ever want to meet.
		And she looked at me, and of course, you got to realize you're telling somebody about abduction.
		I mean, no one knew what abduction was back then.
		Nobody knew.
		This is back in the 60s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I'm telling her the truth, Marta, I said, I've got to tell you something.
		This is imperative that you understand.
		It's important that you believe me.
		This just kills abductees to do this.
		You go out, you live the secret life.
		You can't tell anybody.
		And then you do, and then you get this.
		And she looked at me and said, you've had this terrible, terrible dream.
		That was her first mistake.
		Second thing she did was take me to the guy Who I was doing scientific anomaly studies, which included UFO work when I was 16.
		And he listened to the story, and he said, Daryl, he said, when they land, they're going to land on the White House lawn and give the president some kind of gift to study life from another world.
		And this man's a psychologist.
		I said, my friend, I said, it isn't going to happen that way.
		I saw the movie, and it's not going to work like that.
		Whatever it is that we think these beings are, or whatever it is we think that's going to happen, it's not going to be anything like we ever dreamed.
		And whatever they're doing, and whatever they did to me, I suspect they've done to others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Joe from Leckis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
		That's it, huh?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Daryl.
		Okay.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I guess I want to tell you what happened to me.
		About four years ago, I had an encounter where I went to sleep Friday night, woke up Saturday morning completely paralyzed from the waist down.
		And I had a nosebleed.
		Anyway, for a week, I could not walk.
		I could not move.
		Well, I could move, but I had to crawl to the bathroom.
		And it was a real traumatic experience.
		But during that week, I had like four or a series of dreams or flashbacks, and the first one was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caller, you want to hold on for a moment?
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		We'll be right back.
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unidentified		I see trees of green rim.
		I see them blue for me.
		And I think to myself, What a wonderful blue.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and abduction is a very difficult topic.
		It's one of those things that if you have experienced it, you have no question.
		Well, yes, you do.
		You have lots of questions.
		But you know that something really happened to you.
		And with a number of people who are reporting this now, it deserves a very, very serious investigation.
		And that is what Daryl Sims is doing.
		Daryl Sims Daryl Sims was CIA.
		Daryl, just as a matter of curiosity, everybody would ask this, so I will.
		Why should we trust anybody who was in the CIA?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good question.
		Number one, I don't think everybody in the CIA is bad.
		In fact, most of the people in the CIA are people like secretaries and that sort of thing.
		I mean, they're just normal people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The so-called 007 types and so on that do the various different things.
		And yes, I did meet some assassins while I was there.
		They actually did exist.
		The Cold War has changed a lot of things during that time, and then a lot has changed since then.
		The thing that troubles me, and there again, you know, it'd be kind of stupid of me to tell you I was spying on you and then come out here and try it, especially when I'm out here talking that because I believe we need an intelligence community.
		I think that's a necessary thing.
		I think it's gotten so big, it's so out of hand that it's violating every right that we have right now.
		This whole thing is so out of hand, we better stop it.
		And you worry about aliens, I'm more worried about that sort of thing.
		I mean, they own the internet.
		I guarantee you, they can, they say, well, do they tap my phones?
		They can listen to you without the phone being lifted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They can do anything.
		They have technology that's your tax dollars pay for that black budget stuff.
		They have everything they need.
		And that's better not be the aliens you worry about.
		You better worry about people doing stuff like that to you.
		You're taking the very rights right out from under your own Constitution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Daryl Sims.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Good morning.
		All right.
		How are you guys doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're all right.
unidentified		This morning, whatever it is.
		All right.
		Hey, I've got this.
		I managed to wake up one morning in the middle of kind of a bizarre dream, and I actually made some sketches and took some notes down.
		It was really kind of a, I don't know, where should I start here?
		All right, I made a little sketch of the room.
		It was a strange laboratory type setting with a blue luminescent light, kind of a, like Tesla's high-frequency discharges, his rendered intensely luminous like wires and stuff like that.
		And what happened is there was like first notes here I've got are left brain angel and right brain angel scans.
		There was a mold of my skull, a strange scan of the skeletal structure, blueprints of existing form of my body in this type of thing.
		And what kind of struck me the most, I mean I made the most notes about it, this was back in about 95 or so.
		And it was a left and right angel scan of brain.
		And there was an out-of-the-ordinary request by one of the subordinate entities.
		And anyway, they went through with like a standard type of probe that was to no avail.
		And I guess that stimulated the out-of-the-ordinary type request.
		And it was just what I'm kind of getting at here is I'm curious about who's out there who's had just the dream type stuff.
		I don't think I've actually been taken up anywhere or anything like that.
		That happens on the mental plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, that spark's a very good question.
		That is how one is to decide the difference between a dream and an abduction.
		Other than physical evidence, Daryl, what is there?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There are things that show up differently in dreams and abduction scenarios or encounters.
		Not everyone is abducted.
		That's a good term.
		I have no idea what an alien is.
		I haven't the slightest clue.
		If we use the term alien, we'd have to decide that that's anything that's not native to this planet, per se, that's currently here.
		If that's the case, that would be, if you were, as most religions in the world believe in angels, the angels would be aliens in that sense.
		So entity is an excellent term because it leaves it open because we really don't know what these particular beings are.
		They may be something in between a bunch of other things.
		We don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They may be, but again, how do you delineate between what was a dream and what is real?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only physical evidence?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Physical evidence is the best thing for me.
		For other people or in their particular events, there are other things that can also help and assist them in that.
		Number one is generally you don't smell things in dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There are certain senses and there are ways to check these people.
		Of course, the problem is it takes enormous amounts of time to do this.
		But there are techniques that we use consciously, not hypnotically, but consciously, which can determine whether people are hallucinating or not in different levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is good.
		Take the experiences, for example, told by Whitley Streeber.
		How would you class them?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The events that Whitley had in his early beginnings, I think he reported those as true and as honest as he possibly could.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The events, and I don't know all of the events that he had, and I've not read all his material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of them were very negative.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they were.
		And there again, this is what he recalls in the beginning.
		And it seems to me, and there again, I would be completely guessing here, but we do see abduction events where the individual will start off with very negative events and they'll end up positive.
		And what's happened when you work with this person, there again, it depends on who's doing the work, if you study that person, and I'll give an example of this, you'll find that many times that the person is finally at some phase, they've fallen under the spell, so to speak.
		And they now accept the screensaver.
		Case in point, one of the top psychics in this country, at least in their viewpoint, asked me to do the hypnotic work on them in reference to their abduction.
		My response was, why in the world would you want a piece of trash like me doing that sort of thing if you're getting information from the inner planes and inner dimensions and all kinds of stuff and all kinds of super beings are telling you everything?
		What in the world would you want somebody like me doing any kind of work with you?
		And they said, please just do it anyway.
		I said, the agreement is this.
		If you will admit to whatever we find is true, if we find it's the interdimensional beings, then that's what we'll both say.
		If it's something else, we'll say that.
		The answer was, I agree.
		Long story short, as soon as I knew that person was in memory, popped them into the event, bang, they were on the table with 17 other little girls getting gynecological exams, screaming and crying.
		She says, but I don't understand.
		They never told me any of this.
		And we talked there for a long time.
		And finally, the lady cried and cried and says, tell me what's going on.
		And I said, it's not my business to tell you.
		That's up to you to decide.
		I can't make you an abductee or not one.
		That is not my business.
		And I said, well, it just says a personal thought, and that's all.
		And she says, what's that?
		And I said, I think the beings that are from the inner planes telling you all the amazing information.
		She said, yeah, and I said, it's them.
		It always has been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of women who have been abducted have been shown what seems to be, or they are told, are their offspring, their children.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This is true.
		I can comment to that and tell you some rather remarkable things.
		My prediction, as I did with the implant business, I'm going to tell you some predictions I think we're going to find in this arena when we finally get our act together.
		First of all, you're going to find, and I have one lady that has agreed to go through the entire process because she claims she's getting impregnated every year.
		Well, the problem is she has her tubes tied and has been checked by a gynecologist, and there's no problem.
		But she still gets pregnant every year.
		And then that fetus disappears in the first trimester.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Which is the same story as you hear.
		My response to her was the following.
		The doctors who are going to examine you are not going to believe any of this abduction business, and I don't want them to.
		It's not important.
		They're just going to look at the evidence.
		And what we're going to find, in my opinion, is once a test is done, We can't tell who the father is, but we can tell who it isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, so what we're going to do is find out your husband's not the daddy.
		Well, that's not going to surprise these doctors.
		But what's really going to happen if we can get to that fetus before they come to get it and we can do an amicetesis, we're going to find out that probably you're not the mommy.
		That's the sugar.
		You're just the incubator.
		I said they're using the eggs and sperm of other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		And just using her in tube or not wouldn't matter.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Didn't expect to get through, so I was a little nervous here.
		My story is I woke up one morning and I woke up with a nosebleed, completely paralyzed from the waist down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds just like another one we just heard about.
unidentified		And the color before me really freaked me out when he started explaining some of the details.
unidentified		The same details were in my dream or whatever occurrence it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's more than a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you wake up paralyzed from the waist down with a nosebleed, that's more than a dream.
unidentified		I didn't know what it was.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The physical evidence of your event suggests something else.
		I mean, I don't know that you didn't get up and fall and hurt yourself or whatever, but what I'm saying is, and I agree totally with Art here, that something else has happened there.
		It's not just a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Lake County abduction video on UPN, Daryl, even though it was a staged event, did they have most of what occurs during abduction down about right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I have not even seen the video, so I can't comment in that room in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You still haven't seen it?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Still have not seen it.
		All I've seen is an attorney.
		And he likes the video real well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What he likes is that he thinks that they're not going to be able to stand in court.
		It's what he thinks.
		So he likes the video beautifully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll be interesting to see what they do when they re-air it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, Art?
		Yes.
		I've got a question.
		I had, this is kind of amazing.
		I was eight, seven or eight, and this was in 1957 or 58.
		We had two people who used to appear in our room and just look at us.
		And I would sit up and be completely wide awake.
		And about seven, eight years ago, my brother come back from Nevada to visit.
		And he goes, you know, Pat, the aliens live in our closet.
		I never knew he'd seen these people.
		And I used to be afraid of that room.
		So we moved downstairs into a little offshoot from a living room.
		And I woke up, and I was sitting up just wide awake.
		And a guy stepped into the entryway of this large doorway with a military uniform on.
		And I got scared, so I screamed.
		My folks came out and stuff.
		And that was in like 58 or whatever it was.
		And then in 1969, I was in Texas.
		And I was kind of into auras and energies at that time.
		And this same person that came into my room in that military uniform, come around a corner of the booth and pulled his hands apart so you could see this light.
		And I got back to Minnesota here.
		And I was sleeping upstairs just staying at my folks.
		And I was totally, I could think clear as a bell, but I couldn't move.
		And I was just going to have my brother pull my legs out so I could relax better.
		And I couldn't speak or anything.
		And I says, just get the hell off me.
		And three lights came into my room and circled.
		And then I woke.
		I mean, I could move again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, you know, you should be going through some sort of regression to find out what really happened to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The stories, Daryl, are endless and seem very similar, don't they?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
		I've seen a gentleman in Brazil.
		He showed me a book he had of 179 different kinds of aliens.
		He had studied for over 30 years in Brazil.
		He said, what do you think of my work?
		And I said, well, can I be blunt?
		And he said, yes.
		And I said, most of them are all the same guy.
		He said, what are you saying?
		I said, look at the beings.
		I said, every one of them have got one thing in common.
		He said, what's that?
		And I said, look at them.
		He said, oh, God, they all got black eyes.
unidentified		Yep.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, that's my whole point, bud.
		I said, you don't know what these people have seen.
		And they don't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Evan in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Daryl, I think you're doing a great job.
unidentified		And I was fascinated when you said you were able to actually have one of your people give thoughts to the aliens.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's happened several times.
unidentified		And I guess I'd like to suggest maybe this, I don't know how dangerous this would be, but maybe trying to actively read the thoughts of the aliens.
unidentified		Because if someone can overhear them thinking, then I would say maybe their strength in programming us is probably also their weakness in that they have an opening into that process.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant.
		See, it's this type of thinking we need to be thinking about.
		We need to look at this thing from every direction.
		It's like a multi-dimensional cube you're looking at.
		It's not a square.
		Here's one side or here's only.
		It's a two-sided thing.
		It's this or it's that and it's nothing ever.
		It's multi-dimensional and we need to be the same way.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		Okay, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call and take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, River, Mississauga.
unidentified		You mentioned physical attributes to an encounter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		And during a dream, what about if you wake up and your stomach has gone away, and that's the reason that you wake up, because you've either fallen off a cliff, ridden off a cliff, or accelerating upwards in an elevator, or accelerating downwards in an elevator, that sort of thing?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, what we've had in some of the abduction scenarios, the reason some of the people knew that something physically really happened is they were actually dropped on their bed.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		When they have a water bed, that tends to shake, and it really wakes you up big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it definitely does.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You're still sloshing around, and you can't figure out why is the bed flopping up and around you, you know, as if you had been dropped from a height of four or five feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, that's happened to me in my sleep.
		Boom!
		You're just, it's like you're dropped.
		Exactly.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Daryl?
		Yes.
		Yeah, this is the Magic Christian in Ventura, California.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Hey, hey, here we go.
unidentified		Hey, Darrell, I was going to ask you, you hadn't brought it up in your appearance here tonight, if you had done a chain reference on the Sons of the Giant, do I have a...
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes.
unidentified		Because you haven't mentioned that in the 20th chapter of 1 Chronicles, the sixth verse, there's a six-fingered being described there.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, believe me, I understand this.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You would have to do a whole show just on that area.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, moving on.
		I, too, just finished Chuck Missler's book, Alien Encounters, not too long ago.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I understand your problem with Chuck's description that indwelled with the Holy Spirit believers cannot be abducted.
unidentified		I do think, though, that that's one of the reasons that you've heard the reports of angels, because he said that he would place his holy angels in charge over thee.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And I think one of the ways to best address this is from a Christian point of view, because a lot of people don't understand this because they keep saying, well, you must not have really been a Christian if you got adopted.
		We have children.
		I have cases of people, children two months old being taken.
		I mean, these people have never made any decision one way or the other about anything.
unidentified		But I also have a problem, Daryl, with your flat-out statement that these beings are not demons, because it's evidence in the scriptures that all kinds of flesh can be inhabited by a demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would a demon abduct a two-month-old child?
unidentified		To do harm.
unidentified		That's his job.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What about the ones that don't do harm?
unidentified		Well, if they're not involved in actual harm to humans, then their role is deception.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand the demon part of it.
		Believe me, I understand that.
		But what we're dealing with here is something that is not demonic.
		I'm not saying that they're good or their intentions or their intentions to me are very questionable.
		I don't care who they are.
		But what we're dealing with here, and there again, we don't have time to go through anything like this here, but if you want to email me and talk to me on email at daryl at hallman.net, I guarantee I'd be glad to debate the issue with you, and we've got a lot of things in common.
		I'd love to discuss it with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And also, give out your phone number as well.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my phone number is going to be 281-587-5455.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's 281-587-5455.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's answered 24 hours a day.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		24.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I do return calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, you've got a lot of talking ahead of you, Daryl, because this is a gigantic, gigantic topic.
		I mean, it's just immense.
		So I thank you for spending the hours you have with us, and we'll do another program.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And if you want to do that in the near future, I've got a gentleman that has some inside information on the incredible satellite information that will, I think, actually prove our abduction phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you've got some photographs on the way as well.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking forward to that one with the aliens that can be seen inside the craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you get that to us when you get it?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I will have to get permission from them.
		First of all, I want to verify it and see if it's even real.
		And second, we'll get permission to see what we can do there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, Daryl.
		Thank you, sir.
		All right.
		That's it, folks.
		Good night, Hall.
		We'll see you tomorrow night when Jack Schulman will be here from ACC.

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