Father Malachi Martin, a Vatican insider, reveals popes historically consulted astrologers while warning of demonic possession risks—only 3 in 10 cases are genuine—and confirms children can be influenced through parents’ satanic pacts. He links Adolf Hitler’s WWII aggression to the 1938 Aurora Borealis (misidentified by all but Hitler) and predicts a global reckoning, citing unexplained phenomena like a woman splitting mid-air in Miami or a "gray sludge" eroding love. Martin advises prayer over exorcism for obsession cases, though he’d prioritize possession if named bishop, criticizing institutional "Luciferianism." The discussion suggests escalating spiritual warfare, with divine intervention inevitable despite rising evil. [Automatically generated summary]
And though we did not get an opportunity to go to the labyrinth beneath the Vatican, Father, I must tell you, the Sistine Chapel is in itself something of a labyrinth.
Now, somehow I'm a little lost here, Father, because I always thought that the only person a Pope would consult with would be God in prayer, and that the influence of the planets wouldn't enter into it.
Strictly speaking, one would expect that, but they considered it one way in which God would advise them to do things.
A wise Catholic astrologer would be studying the movement of the planets and would see in the conjunction or the separation or the rearrangement of the planets an indication of favorableness for this move or that move on the part of the Holy Father.
I haven't got out to look at them because I really have something else to do, much less present in watching the planets because I'm terribly interested in the stars.
And actually, they don't emphasize it nowadays at all.
And besides, you see, nowadays, astrology has become the purview of people who don't believe in God, at least according to the Catholic faith anyway.
So they emphasize it less.
And then there have been abuses of astrology, of course.
There are stories and novels and books and real factual histories about people who consulted the stars and therefore decided to go and assassinate somebody or to steal something.
Sure.
So that's where it goes over the edge.
But as a means of knowing God's will, no, some popes wouldn't travel without their astrologer.
And then there were a couple of other things that struck me and will be with me for all of the rest of my life.
I think, no, I believe in God, Father, but I am skeptical about things that I can't touch and prove.
I can't help it.
However, while I was there, I also got to go to Bethlehem and Jerusalem.
Yeah, and I saw the exact place where Christ was born and where the final crucifixion took place.
And I must tell you that, along with my experience in North Africa, there are almost not words to describe the difference between talking about it, hearing about it all your life in Sunday school, early in Sunday school, but then suddenly being there and being in that spot, and you know that you are, you really, really know, and I can't even convey in words.
All right, to give everybody some sort of background, this is with regard to a 16-minute story about a lady with multiple personality disorder, a Wisconsin woman, who went to a doctor, and the doctor said she had 126 different personalities, distinct and different personalities, over many years.
He treated her, Dr. Kenneth Olson, and the allegation is that he hypnotized her and that he actually put these personalities into her, including the bride of Satan, teenage boys, you name it.
She had it.
It cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in insurance money.
Hypnosis again and again and again over years and years and years, and then finally culminating in this psychiatrist performing an exorcism.
And you can only do that, according to the theory, the belief.
You can only do that with immunity because you're facing, allegedly, according to faith, you're facing an archangel, albeit a fallen archangel, called Lucifer.
And that archangel has an intellect and resources far beyond anything any human being commands.
And in order to tussle with it, entangle with it, or him, or it or however we want to call it, because he has no gender, in order to do that, you have to have the authority to say, what is your name?
Why are you here?
When did it start?
And get out.
And in order to do that, you have to have permission.
And that's why we always counsel people never on their own back to tangle with anything really demonic.
Because if you do, you're going to lose.
And if I could talk, which I can't on account of privileged communication, I could tell very, very scary and awesome stories, frightening stories about psychiatrists who did try and exorcise without any authority and became possessed themselves.
It's very dangerous, and I don't know with what authority they did it.
I do know one Lutheran pastor who has authority from his church and successfully exorcises.
It is a very rare thing.
You see, the only proof is that the person in question is completely healed, completely healed.
And art, let me tell you, there is no healing more peaceful, more lovely, more joyous, more confident, more human than the healing of somebody by exorcism.
It is so beautiful.
It's like a sunrise and a calm upland meadow after a devastating hurricane.
And we do know nowadays, especially since the end of the Second World War and the transport of Hitler's mind control experts to this country, we do know now that programming can be very deep and very effective and can really achieve what, remember that book, The Manchurian Canon?
And when we come back, I'm going to ask Father Malatai, as some TV show says on CNN, the big question with regard to MBT, whether it relates in some way to exorcisms, and how you really know the difference between a personality instilled under hypnosis and the real McCoy.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Father, I want to ask you what they call the big question here that I've worked up.
How do you know?
Father, I take it you have probably done more exorcisms than anybody else in this country.
You don't communicate very much because laws of privacy govern everything in this matter because nobody who has genuinely been possessed and genuinely been cured ever wants anybody to know about it.
Now, apparently the allegation is this woman had these personalities inserted into her through hypnosis.
How do you delineate, how do you know that some of the people that you have not performed exorcisms on are not people who have been victims of this induced MPD?
It's one of the things we have been alerted to from the mid-70s up because we came across very accurate information about the programmers that do exist, that did exist then and do exist today.
And we formed criteria, principles by which to judge that.
And it's not a simple matter, but it can be done.
And more than once, I have dismissed people who applied for exorcism, saying, no, no, no, there's no exorcism here at all.
Who is your psychiatrist?
Or who is your psychologist?
Or who is your whatever, your guru, your channel, or whatever it was.
And you can only undo all that if you have authority.
You can't just do it because you say, well, okay, now tell me, what's the truth?
Are you there or not?
It's nothing like that.
It's a farm horse.
Yes, yes, the tests are the.
If you want to start at the beginning, first of all, you ensure that there's nothing physical, that there isn't a tumor in the brain, there isn't transgenerational insanity, there isn't alcoholism, there isn't a drug addiction.
You must assure yourself of all those things.
And if there is, is it masking something else?
Or is it simply that alone?
First of all, you must check them physically.
They must be checked physically.
Because there are all those physical manifestations out.
And then, having done that, you check them psychologically.
Not by psychoanalysis exactly, but competent psychologists must examine them, talk to them, examine them anyway, even if they can't talk to them.
Sometimes they refuse to talk.
And they must make up their minds if it's some form of psychosis or neurosis or something psychological or something that's indefinable and that has no explanation in the diagnostic manual for psychiatry.
In that case, then, the attitude is, okay, let's try exorcism.
And then you start off formally into exorcism.
And that means then talking to the person in question or to people who know them, it's a child or a young person or a husband or a wife, etc.
People who know them and finding out how they've lived and when it started and what happened and what distresses people, why have they come to you?
What has the psychiatrist said?
If they come through a psychiatrist, usually the psychiatrist will tell you what he or she has found out about them and say, this is the baffling thing about it and this is why I would turn to you on a religious plane rather than on a psycho-analytic plane or psychological plane or psychiatric plane.
And therefore you eliminate possibilities of disease, physical disease, and you eliminate the possibility of hoax and you eliminate the possibility of something to do with insanity or psychological irregularity of some kind or other.
And actually, once you start into something like that formally, having arranged everything in the usual way, and I can describe that in a few sentences to you, within 10 minutes or 20 minutes, you know if you're dealing with the session.
You can be outwitted by a cleverer mind and a quicker intellect and a more resourceful intellect and above a much more ruthless intellect, which also is probably acquainted with you, the exorcist, to a certain extent, but therefore knows your weaknesses and knows what to tap to evoke false judgment.
That's really quite remarkable to consider because I suppose a purist would suggest that an absolute rock-solid faith would be sufficient or should be sufficient with God's power behind you.
But actually, there are other aspects, including wit.
In other words, that you not be fooled by somebody brighter than yourself.
Nothing can beat intelligence when it gets down to brass tags of a fight like this, because it's a real struggle.
And you see, we humans as such, we are inclined to not fight exactly, but we're inclined to be very fascinated by some intellectual problem.
And we can be lulled into accepting a situation where we fall under the influence of a superior intellect because usually, not always, but usually the demon has a superior mind compared to ours.
Well, once upon a time when churchmen, bishops in other words, and the prelates of the church, when they really were in charge of this, because nowadays they're not, a lot of them don't believe in this or when they had a regular system and a method of taking care of this aspect of life,
they generally gave them very easy jobs as parish priests or in institutes to make it easy because these men, there's no doubt about it, that they lost their lives.
It was very mild and compassionate with them and today?
Today, well, today, first of all, there are far fewer exorcists than ever before.
In a lot of dioceses, for instance in Detroit, in the diocese of Detroit, there is no formal exorcist at all.
So if you want to have an exorcism in that area, you have to go to the cardinal, it's the cardinal in charge, and say, listen, Bishop so-and-so of such and such a diocese has an exorcist.
May he come in and do it, because he can't do it in somebody else's diocese unless he has authority and permission.
And it becomes very awkward then.
Sometimes the bishop says no.
Sometimes the bishop says yes.
Sometimes the answer is very peculiar.
Sometimes a bishop who's not respected very much for his Catholicity is quite willing to experiment.
So it could be in this day and age, Father, that a priest who would perform an exorcism and would come out of it basically a vegetable would not be taken care of by the church.
And by the way, we have also got cases where their parents, Satanist worshippers, Luciferians really, and generational Luciferians, that is, the ran and the family, they tried to do the same to their children and failed.
Yes, it's extraordinary the understanding they have, though art.
It's frightening at the age of three and a half, four.
It's astounding in certain cases.
In other cases, no, they're dull.
They're like little children, which they are, and there's no harm done.
But there are cases, and...
Actually, when you think of it, there have been cases in history where children of an age, attend to ages, we say three and four, turned out to be very willful.
But even under our laws, a child of three or four could never be charged with held responsible for in any way what that some child at that age would do.
That's right.
So I'm sure you get this kind of question all the time, but how could a merciful God allow this to occur to a child that young?
You know, I guess that's the answer I didn't want to hear.
That was quite an interview.
Anyway, we'll leave it at that, and I'm going to have to take this one over.
Father Malachi Martin will be right back.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Here once again is Father Malachi Martin.
Father, welcome back.
Thank you.
I've got a really hard question I'm going to ask you, hard for me.
But first I want to ask you, in previous programs you and I have done, we have talked not just about people possessed requiring exorcism, but people in a different category, people that you have called perfectly possessed.
Now, frequently these people are very successful, have a great deal of money and influence and power.
It's like you sense that they sense you are both totally alien to each other.
totally alien to each other.
So you definitely...
Sorry, I have to interrupt you.
It's beyond hate even.
It's total alien.
Nothing in common at all.
And it's not a teeth-gripping, shivering thing.
No, it's not.
I don't know if ever in your life, Art, you were in imminent danger of being killed.
Not of dying.
A lot of people have, like myself, with a heart attack, two heart attacks, etc.
That's of dying, but of being killed.
There were only twice, two times in my life, which we can talk about some other time, and not to be a divergent confession too much, when I could have been killed.
But since I've had this much success, there have been some times, particularly I must say, since I heard you describe the perfectly possessed, when I have worried.
Did I do Something mentally?
Did I make some pact that I'm not consciously recalling?
I worry constantly it's like let me Perfect possession is consequent on a very conscious step, consciously taken step.
It's not something that's implicit to contrast, to make a contrast.
We now get young people, 20-somethings or 30-somethings in age, and they do come and say, look, I made a thank for the devil because I needed this job.
I needed this woman.
I really wanted to marry her and I wanted to get this job abroad and I want to get this loan, etc.
And now I can't get rid of it.
That's something else.
They were simply very stupid and foolish.
And general, they can be helped.
And it's a thing they regret.
Be perfectly possessed through a certain graduation.
It's a gradual thing.
It's not suddenly overnight.
The devil doesn't appear in the morning with a scroll and say, sign this and your fifty years of happiness.
It's a gradual thing where the person slowly but surely seeds, concedes, surrenders their will, every fiber of their will and therefore of their being and acquiesce closely in it and are rewarded by their master and utterly conscious.
No, actually, you see, there's no doubt about it, that evil, the evil around us, because there is evil around us as well as good, does make inroads in us through pride and vanity and desire and ambition and lust, you know, all those things.
And those make inroads in us, and that does prick our conscience.
There's no doubt about that.
But the total surrender and acceptance of Luciferian being, that that would take place in the perfectly possessed, that is something that cannot be done implicitly or overnight or by accident or piece slipped into your life without you knowing it.
Well, that is, I mean, look at from my vantage point, looking on the outside in at you, it seems to be the logical progression of a very devoted and intelligent career in radio, and you've reached a culmination.
Now, now, there's this part about it.
Nobody achieves the amount of associates that you have and the name you've got.
Nobody reaches that without a special destiny from Christ.
Because not everybody does it.
And you have a profound influence on millions, millions.
And that means that you, from this point of view, as a radio man, that you are working on universal lines that affect the macro government of people's souls.
That for me is the telling point that, sure, somebody can work like a dog, work the little bottom off, as they say, and not get to where you are.
But you got there, and that was because your destiny was that you were to do that, given your talents and given your will and given the opportunities which were given to you.
If that your destiny before you were born, before you were conceived, before your parents were married, was such that you will achieve this eminence.
And apparently it fits into God's plan.
And I'm not saying that to butter you up and not bury you up at all.
I'm loading on your shoulders, broader though they may be, a responsibility that ain't easy because he will look you straight in the eye, Art, one day, when you pass over, and say, now tell me, Art, how did you really do?
This just came in today from the United Kingdom news.
It appears that some of those who have passed over to the spirit world are unwilling to be kept from the pleasures of the flesh.
Listen to this.
A blackpool woman called a priest, two psychics, and a Mormon missionary to try to rid her of a ghost that she claimed regularly sexually attacked her.
The attacks began in 1994 when she felt something climbing into bed with her.
She claimed it pulled off the towel she was wearing about her head and said it was going to make love to her.
Then she felt a, quote, vile, end quote, sensation, quote, like tiny needles trying to pierce my skin, end quote.
By this, that if in this life you get suffering, either physical, physical and mental suffering.
I don't believe there's such a thing as physical suffering without mental suffering.
But anyway, if you do that and you have the grace of God and you offer it up in union, but this is Catholicism, in union with the pains of Jesus, the Savior, who with pains did save us, then you do merit to liquidate the punishment due to your sins.
That's why when you haven't got pains and aches, I've normally got a very healthy body, so if I want to do penance, I've got to fast.
You know, you have to devise means of not hurting yourself, but depriving yourself of creaturely comforts, which are totally legitimate.
Because there is, Christ himself said, these demons are cast out only by prayer and fasting.
And this is a tradition in Christianity.
And by the way, in Islam too, and in Judaism, but we're talking about Christians, about Catholicism in particular, it is their tradition that by fasting and by doing penance, you do get rid of demonic influence and you do also do penance for your sins.
And there's no doubt about it that if you have a horrible cancer, say a multilocal cancer, in your soul, in your brain, and you suffer the pains of it, you can liquidate whatever guilt is due to sins, even though the sins themselves are forgiven.
There's always some punishment due to it.
That's the doctrine of Catholicism, and it was lost in the Reformation.
And Father, I have interviewed many people who claim to do past life regressions.
I have interviewed many New Age types who claim that they have had near-death experiences, that there is no such thing as hell, that nobody ever goes to hell, and that in all of their regressions and the thousands of regressions they've done, they've never encountered hell.
Well, let me tell you, I've got an article here from the London Telegraph, and I want to read you a little bit about it and ask you about it.
Quoting, terrifying accounts of gravely ill people who claim to have been dragged to the very gates of hell by demons are now to be studied scientifically for the first time by a British psychologist.
The existence of so-called near-death experiences, or NDEs, in which dying people report having mystical sensations before being resuscitated, is now widely accepted by doctors and scientists.
Their cause is unknown, but they typically involve a feeling of deep peace, followed by a sensation of floating up through a tunnel, toward a bright light, and into a beautiful kingdom.
We've all heard that.
Continuing, but now it is becoming clear that for some people, NDEs are far from blissful.
Instead of a feeling of floating upwards, they report being pulled downward toward a pit inhabited by demons.
The experiences of Evelyn Hazel, a London-based art historian as she fought for life against meningitis are typical.
Quote, I had reached a critical stage in the illness and I was hovering between life and death.
I was aware of being involved in an intense and very real struggle for my life.
She told The Telegraph, continuing the quote, a three-legged being, rather like the Isle of Man symbol, was pulling both my legs down to infinite depths.
And I knew without any doubt that if I relaxed and I gave in, I would be dead.
I believe this struggle went on for some considerable time, and eventually I managed to break away from whatever it was, pulling me down.
And so they're doing actual scientific studies now, not on the typical light and light beings and relatives greeting you in tunnels stories, but on people who went the other way.
I would think, though, that doing what you have done, doing exorcisms, must enforce your own faith in a way that the average priest will never have enforced.
And that is something which does make you immediately think of God's beauty and God's compassion and God's love and of nice soft things and of eternal peace and compassion and holiness and goodness.
First time around they come out shaken and they generally they vomit and sometimes they're incontinent.
You can't keep it in them.
It's little that starts with their lives.
You know, we laugh because it's embarrassing.
In fact, the first time I assisted an ecosystem in the United States, I was in bed and was called up by an exorcist who said, Malachi, my assistant, has collapsed.
I think that, and I hope that we don't get assaulted for having said this, but it does seem that Louisville, Kentucky, Louisville, has a fair share more than, say, as far as we know, Santa Fe.
And then there are areas in Manhattan where I wouldn't want to live.
And they're not always in Avenue A, B, and C, or in the Bronx, for that matter.
There are areas, there's no doubt about that, because the presence of evil entertained and accepted and wished and blessed and celebrated means that you have diabolic presence, demonic presence.
And a few years ago, no, it was more than a few, back in the 70s, we tried to create a profile of the possessible person.
Sure.
And the profile of the places.
But we found out that there is no profile.
No, it is purely random.
Neither education, nor sex, nor faith, nor culture, nor riches, nor poorness, poverty or riches, success or failure, black, white or sky, blue, pink, yellow or red or green, whatever the color your skin was.
And inevitably, in a church that enforces celibacy as a rule, you're going to have the difficulties.
And we've had a terrible rush of pedophilia in the dioceses of the USA and in Canada, by God.
And we're not finished yet.
It's still going on.
And the organization of the Roman Catholic Church, my church, has been shaken up and it hasn't settled down to anything regular yet.
It hasn't made up its mind about things.
And a good majority, a small majority, but a good majority of American bishops, would wipe out the whole celibacy thing and allow priests to get married.
And I can only speak from the point of view of experience.
I was a chaplain to the U.S. Air Force in Turkey.
And I remember we used to go to the radar domes back in the good old days of the Cold War that they had winged Russia with in the Black Sea.
And I was always bitten by Air Force officers.
And by the way, it was an 18-beer trip.
We had 18 beers apiece to last out.
But we had talks, and the men would talk to me about anything and everything.
And time and time again they said, Father, look, we would never discuss these matters with you if you were married, like Woody.
Woody was a Protestant chaplain.
He was a very decent fellow.
The intimacy that celibacy allows a priest, because he belongs to nobody except the Krishna.
And he's really faithful to it.
And if he doesn't have a eunuch faith, which I'll explain to you what I mean by that, then he becomes special.
You see, it's a funny thing about celibacy art.
Let me give you one small word on it from a celibate.
That, I mean, either you break your celibacy and it becomes a positive thing, or else you're like somebody who's wearing a charmery belt and somebody's throwing away the key and you're looking for the key.
Well, actually, you know, I understand you completely, my God.
Marriage is a beautiful thing and love is a beautiful thing.
By the way, the most impressive thing in exorcism, the most disgusting thing, the most chilling thing in exorcism, apart from the malice, is the terrible demonic contempt for human love.
While testing for exorcism qualities, has Father Martin ever found a person who was psychic themselves or had powers of telekinesis, the ability to move things physically that was their own power that just looked like demonic abilities or are all psychic powers demonic listen it may sound like a trite remark on my on my part that is a very interesting question and
The reason is this, that there are three plateaus of reality.
There's a physical reality, which we all know, space, time, the dimension in which we live and move and have our being.
Right, right.
There is the supernatural reality of God.
And there is the middle plateau, whereon the demons exercise their gifts, whereon those with psychic gifts have perceptions that battle the rest of us.
And it's a very dangerous plateau, because it is very fascinating to move on that plateau, and it can involve you with demonic activity, and become fascinating.
Now, people with natural gifts of psychic perception, people that know things from afar, people that know your past life, people that can enjoy telekinesis, can do that sort of thing.
Frankly, Art, the older I get, the less I know about it.
I have a feeling in my bones that the miseries of the Roman Catholic organization as an organization, not simply as a spiritual church, but as an organization on the face of the earth,
of that organization are just beginning and that it is heading into a very difficult situation worldwide and that there will be a lot of trouble in Rome itself now as regards the health of the present Holy Father it's very hard to know because he is a Polack, a stubborn man.
And remember what Freud told us about what the psychiatric associations in Austria were saying in 1938?
He said that the multiplicity of patients coming telling about dreadful dreams about barbed wire and blood, he said it baffled us all why they were talking like that.
there is a general feeling.
I, I, I, Knowing the future doesn't help one's peace of mind out.
And I remember I had the dubious privilege of reading the text of the third speaker of Satana, which I must guard by oath from repeating, but it isn't pleasant.
their pride and their culture and their bias and there will be people who even faced with the with the certainty that there is a greater power above our heads will say They'll reject it.
Well, he was in Brecht's garden at the Wolf's Lair.
That was his famous place when he was for weekend with his cabinet.
And Speer, Albert Speer, who was a member of his cabinet, his architect, tells us in his second book that that night they all stood on the esplanade of his villa in the Bavarian mountains, looking out to the east and seeing these extraordinary sights of light.
And Hitler said, yeah, no, now we have to shed blood.
We didn't shed blood in taking the Tsar, we didn't shed blood in taking Czechoslovakia, but now we're going to shed blood.
But listen, several, what I'd like to do is ask several questions, and I'll just hang up and listen to your various responses, one for Art and two for Father Martin.
The little people, well, the little people, it's the ancient Celtic myth that the fairies, the little, little people, the wee people, dwell in the ruined forts and castles, of which Ireland is full, by the way.
Ruined of chapels and churches and towers and castles and old houses, etc.
But it is purely and simply a Celtic myth.
Round it there are wolves in an entire literature.
I wonder, Father, if today's little people in America and the world that are called greys, aliens, are the same sort of mythological creatures that were in Ireland.
The Banshee is this certain families, certain old Celtic families still existing in Ireland, when a prominent member is dying or dead, this woman is heard crying.
And it's too frequent a happening to deny it.
We don't know what it is.
I had a very, very irate uncle on my mother's side who became an atheist, by the way.
And when I brought this up to him, he said, no, that's the female hare in the heat.
But it wasn't.
It's too established the fact that there are families, and there is this peculiar wailing and oligoning, as they say in Gaelic, at the death of a member.
Paducah, Kentucky, a 14-year-old, walks in and kills three classmates, wounds six others, and gives only as an explanation, those who know him, that he was angry at us, at society.
Well, maybe this is a dumb question, but is there any possibility that that war could ever become an all-out war, one in which the right side wouldn't win, where Earth could be lost?
My question was along the lines of what you were just talking about the last moments, Father Martin's last appearance on the program, he talked about, or Art brought up the lights in Phoenix, and Father said that if that in fact was the case, something awesome and most fearful would be happening.
And the timeframe I interpreted from that was somewhere out to spring of 98.
And I wonder if he could specifically elaborate on the timeframe, if he can't go anywhere.
Actually, I don't feel happy at all about 98, the moment we leave winter and start into spring.
I don't feel happy at all about it.
I simply think that things are spiraling in such a way that we're going to undergo severe disturbances, to put it mildly, nationally and internationally.
I think that if I were to speak off refractory, I think a lot of people are going to die violently.
Art, I appreciate your ability to sensitively talk to the variety of people that you talk to.
It's amazing to me.
And Father Malachi, you're a very special person.
I have a question for you that's been very disruptive to me.
A little while ago, I was reading through some very old photographs with my family.
I came across two pictures that were taken, it looked like a few minutes apart of my mother, another woman, and a young child in front of a fence with a house in the background.
The first picture, they were all looking very sullen, very glum, and in the foreground, in front of my mom, there was a creature that you could kind of see through it.
It almost looks like double exposure, except that there's no reason.
This picture is too old and genuine.
But the creature looks about four feet tall, a little hunched over, black kind of shawl, very kind of like a big nose, very, very evil looking.
And I'm concerned that this could be demonic, and I'm concerned about the intergenerational kind of effect it can have on an opponent.
Well, then, take an envelope, put the photograph in it, and put a notice on it saying, do not open, and date it, and sign it, and write the name of Jesus across the front of it.
Father, what chance in this modern day and age in America does somebody have of going to a diocese and getting an affirmative answer that there is an exorcist?
I would try and organize the clerical reaction to possession and obsession, because these are factors that are growing in every diocese I know in the United States.
I do a paper route at night, and I just got off of it to try to get a hold of you.
And you seem kind of concerned, and it hit me that most likely the daughter would be in heaven.
And the reason I say this is because if the woman desired her to be in hell with her, and hell is supposed to be a damn nation, then she wouldn't be able to have that with her.
And what I asked Father Martin a while ago was whether, I have no idea what those steps are, but whether it would be possible that, in fact, she could have done that.
First of all, I'd like to confirm two things and then ask a question of Father Martin.
A, yes, once you've been demonized or bothered, getting rid of it is the greatest thing in the world.
Yes, they do try to come back and bother you.
I know.
I had death delivered off of me.
Second of all, I have a question for Father Martin about, is it possible that a person could be born and have a curse put on them for the rest of their life, where like a cloud of doom is always over them?
If I am a child born of a mother who's a lush and a father who's a crack addict, most probably I'm going to be an alcoholic and I'm going to be a crack addict from the moment I see the light.
Why?
This way God has arranged humanity.
And if I have a parent who rears me to be the servant of Lucifer, and I know families that do that, you know, God doesn't step in and send an angel and tell me to stop.
I've got to deal with it.
And if there's anything like an intergenerational obsession in man's family, then he has to deal with it.
Well, for the information that we're starving for, for ourselves.
So, because you speak the truth.
And this is what we very seldom hear nowadays.
Okay, my question, and I have even written this to Cardinal O'Connor in New York.
Could the tampering of the Latin traditional mass of the saints and the martyrs let all hell break loose?
Now, the reason I'm saying, that's my first question, and the reason I'm putting that together with, I read Leo XIII when he heard the devil come from the tabernacle.
And now, I don't know, I'm not trying to figure out God's time, but that was in 1887.
Well, when he made that pact with God, and God said, I will give Satan 100 years to destroy the church.
Now, when that happened in 1887, and the prayer to St. Michael was composed to fight the devil, the first thing they did at Vatican II is take away at the foot of the altar the Mass of St. St. Not the Mass, I'm sorry, the prayer of St. Michael.
Your bottom line question is, is all hell about to break loose, right?
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Right.
The thing I'm asking is that in 1987, through the grace of God, the Holy Father, almost to the day, the month of October, on the Feast of St. Trice, the Mass indulg was given.
Now, that is like the weapon, the center of our faith, is the Latin traditional Mass.
Now, could this be all part of it, the tampering of the sacred?
And between you and me and the Holy Spirit, ma'am, what I've always believed is this, that the only punishment that was merited by those who drew up the main documents in the Vatican Council, the only punishment that they deserved was a withdrawal of grace.
Provided you are baptized and that you go through confession, Holy Communion, and Mass, you should, on the feast of the Immaculate Conception, which is just in a couple of days' time, you should consecrate yourself to Our Lady.
If you need anything further, you could write to me about it.
But that's all that's necessary, really.
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Okay, and thank you.
My second question is, as a result of the experiences that I had with this cult, I developed multiple personalities, so this whole evening program is very interesting to me.
I was highly programmed by the cult, and I've been in therapy for many years.
Along with all the personalities, our knowing demons, they're not part of my personality, so they're separate.
My pastors are preparing to do a deliverance.
We are not Catholic.
We did go to a Catholic church and asked the priest, and he really did not believe in that.
He did not, he didn't take it seriously.
So my pastors are preparing to do this in a few weeks, and I'm wondering if you have any suggestions for them, or is there a way they can reach you by phone?
I don't know one country in which it is not going on.
I don't know one, because there's a very private Vatican report about this, which we don't divulge, but it gives the indications that there isn't one country in which this doesn't take place.
So that really at the very moment in history, a critical moment, when the church ought to be going in the direction that you would have it go, it's going exactly the other way.
It's just something we did because we began in the West and we had so many people in the far west that were listening to the show when it first became syndicated that we wanted to give everybody used to the Rockies an opportunity to get in.
Yes, and the difficulty the normal public have is this, that, for instance, in New York, when something takes place, something horrid, something bloody, something murderous, and Satanism, as they call it, as a general term, involved, the police will not tell that to the public.
This, in the Paducah case, of course, there was a 14-year-old child, and this child will be no doubt charged as a juvenile at 14, but if this was an older person, then how many people do you suppose, Father, go to the electric chair or are ultimately punished, receive capital punishment for something that is of demonic origin rather than human origin?
I noticed when we did a survey of prisons, lifers, and people confined for 30, 35, 40 years for horrible crimes, a good one-third of them were obviously possessed.
Father Martin, I have two short related questions.
Concerning your comments about hypnosis, if someone is pursuing or is not pursuing metaphysical goals or satanic goals, is hypnosis in general or self-hypnosis in particular dangerous?
I know many people use self-hypnosis for self-improvement kinds of purposes, and I just ask, is that dangerous?
Because actually you can be taught by a very well-instructed psychiatrist.
They can teach you to hypnotize yourself so that you go to sleep, so that you recover from weariness.
But how does that differ from prayer?
In the sense, it differs in one sense, one essential sense, that prayer, it is genuine prayer, and if it's heard, which it normally is by a good God, then it means you get extra help, spiritual help, supernatural help, and that's distinct from your own inner powers.
Now look, I knew a few people in Ireland, the old Ireland I was born in in the 1920s and 30s, who had extraordinary gifts too of curing, healing by touch, and who also could tell you what's going to happen to you on the morrow.
These gifts, and I've met them in various parts of the world I've lived in, but never so much in my youth and adults when life was much simpler.
These gifts exist, there's no doubt.
Edmund Casey is an outstanding example of extraordinary psychic gifts.
In reference to war, the war, the eternal war, what do you believe in reference to the Nephilim or the Nephilium as far as returning in the flesh with the adversary to deceive the world like before, da-da-da-da-da-da, like the locust army, that kind of thing?
I have, again, just sort of a reference to what we've been discussing all night, brushing up against it again, but it looks to me like the finger's getting near the same button again.
I think that he's doing a terrible disservice, and that I believe that the patients that he is killing are not being relieved of their suffering, that somehow in an afterlife, because my spiritual beliefs, I believe that they will continue to have to go through whatever they need to go through.
And it just so happened that the break he was on the meetings again saying that he was trying to recruit other doctors to do this.
And I think you've developed a good rapport with the listeners.
And I would like to invite you to perhaps do a service to the listeners and voice your opinion and perhaps give your further opinion.