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Nov. 19, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Whitley Strieber - UFOs

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	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning.
	I'm Art Bell and this is going to be an extremely interesting night so buckle in.
	We have got Whitley Strieber.
	And so that everything is sort of... Oh, I don't know.
	Linear for Whitley.
	We're going to interrupt him at the beginning of the program with Peter Davenport.
	Shades of last Friday night, Saturday morning.
	When, of course, an object streaked across the northwest skies in which direction... Well, we'll talk about that.
	And so everybody has, you know, wanted an update on this and Peter Davenport is prepared to give one.
	It is going to be an interesting report in that Peter has not quite made the jump but he is close to making the jump to suggesting apparently that this was not what it appeared to be and that we may not have been told Uh, the full story, let's put it that way.
	Then, Whitley Streber will be here, and we have many, many things to do with Whitley.
	Really, it was a show we didn't get to do last Friday night, Saturday morning, because of all that occurred.
	So we're gonna be, uh, bringing, uh, people on from Glen Rock, Wyoming.
	There is quite a story to be told there, and Whitley will tell that.
	Then, we will have on, uh, with Whitley, Dr. Roger Lear.
	Who is a pioneering implant surgeon.
	I said implants.
	Remember, uh, Whitley had a, has a implant in his ear.
	He recently, um, had surgery performed to have it removed.
	And the surgeon in question said the damn thing moved when he got near it with a scalpel.
	They got a little piece of it apparently, but it moved.
	It actually moved according to the surgeon.
	And we may even hear from that surgeon tonight, as well.
	And Whitley has much more to tell us about, so it's a very full night.
	Otherwise, in the news, looks like Iraq has indicated it's going to allow U.S.
	weapons inspectors to return and do their duty.
	There will be no preconditions.
	In other words, they're caving in, no doubt, as the F-117s cross Uh, the ocean toward Iraq, which they're doing at this hour.
	Uh, Iraq has begun to imagine that we are serious.
	And so it looks like that is going to be resolved diplomatically.
	If you consider F-117s and B-52s and aircraft carriers, uh, diplomacy, and certainly it is diplomacy of a sort.
	So that is the main news, uh, worth hearing, and it looks like it's gonna get settled now.
	The following from Reuters News.
	Check this out, folks.
	Chile's Air Force has appointed a committee to compile reports on, guess what, UFOs and other unusual aerial occurrences, according to a government spokesman.
	A spokesman for Chile's Air Force-run Civil Aviation Authority confirmed a report, I said confirmed, Published by the Daily La Tessera about the creation of a three-member committee for the study of anomalous aerial phenomena.
	He said the committee would not take reports from ordinary people who claim they've seen flying saucers, but rather from what the Air Force considers more reputable sources.
	I quote, we have control tower operators and pilots who have seen these objects And so, the bottom line, folks, is Reuters is saying that Chile, a little bitty country that probably does not have the national budget that sustains one of our major cities in this country, is going to do that which we will not do, and study UFOs.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Coming up in a moment, Whitley Strieber and Peter Davenport.
	They'll recall each other well from last week.
	Do you recall?
	Do that.
	All right.
	Now, let us recall our last Friday night, Saturday morning, when we began with Whitley Streber.
	Whitley, are you there?
	Hello, Whitley.
	Yes, I am.
	OK, good.
	I just I wanted to keep everything linear, you know, kind of the way it was last week.
	Yep.
	And so we began with your your voice and we started to do your report and then boom, boom.
	Well, we're going to begin with my voice again tonight, but this time we're going to go shortly to Peter Davinson.
	And we all know what's going on.
	Yes, that's right.
	So, Whitley, hang tight.
	Give us just a little idea.
	We're going to Glenrock Wyoming at some point for a story.
	Going to Glen Rock, Wyoming later to listen to one of the... I think it's probably one of the places in the United States where there has been more sightings and close encounters than practically anywhere and it's so far totally unknown.
	It's an amazing story and we will end the Glen Rock story by listening to the audio from a piece of videotape that was made by some of the witnesses who will be on the air.
	They did not know that they were...
	During this videotape, it was literally made during missing time.
	And right at the end of the tape, there's a fascinating moment
	when one of them seems to lapse into a totally unknown language.
	It's a really interesting piece of tape.
	Okay, so we'll do that.
	We'll talk to a doctor, a very famous doctor, Roger Lear.
	Dr. Roger Lear after that, and possibly the surgeon who Did my surgery if he can get he's I believe he's at the hospital now and if he can get some time off duty he will call in.
	And then if we have any time left we can talk about Mexico and you just heard the story I read about Chile.
	Yes I did.
	Isn't it a little embarrassing that a little country like Chile is doing what we refuse to do?
	Well, I think they have no reason to be afraid of their own people anymore.
	I mean, Chile has become a democracy.
	Yes, and I have high hopes that's ahead for us, too.
	Yes, one of these days.
	All right, Whitley, so that everything is linear, I hereby interrupt you, stand by, and let us go as we did last Friday night, Saturday morning.
	Up to Seattle and the UFO Reporting Center, the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
	Here is Peter Davenport.
	Peter?
	Good evening, Arden.
	Hello, Whitley.
	Whitley, say hi.
	Okay, Whitley's actually...
	Good to be on with you again.
	Good evening, Whitley. How are you? Good to be on with you again.
	Yes, this is a... it's deja vu.
	It was very exciting last Friday night, and I think you've got some remarkable things to tell us again tonight.
	Well, it's gotten even more interesting, and I'm absolutely delighted to be back this soon,
	because a lot of water has crossed the dam since our first report from up here on Friday night.
	And a lot of e-mails.
	I've been getting nothing but e-mail after e-mail after e-mail, Peter, wanting an update on what the hell happened this past Friday.
	Absolutely.
	We... Uh, okay, hold on just one sec here.
	Um, okay, uh, go ahead.
	There you go, Peter.
	Uh, I think... No, let me, uh... Let me do this a different way.
	I'm gonna have to do this a different way.
	Let's see.
	We'll do that, and we'll do this, and there you are.
	I think, Peter, you should be there.
	Sounds good to me.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	Well, yes, we're in the same boat, Art.
	We've been receiving probably hundreds of email requests every day about the data, and I apologize.
	I haven't been able to respond to all of them, but there could be no better way to answer many of them than over coast to coast, and I'm really delighted to have an opportunity this soon.
	A lot has happened, and If we have a few extra seconds towards the end of the report, I'd like to play about a 15-second cut.
	Oh, we do.
	From a gentleman who saw those objects go directly over his head.
	He was camped high in the Olympic Mountains, and these things went right over him, and he has a magnificent description of what he saw early in the sighting.
	To update everybody who wasn't here, it began a little bit after nine o'clock when Hundreds, thousands of people began to call me and everybody else, Seattle TV stations and Vancouver, and everybody was seeing something.
	And the stories varied, but the phones wouldn't quit.
	It went absolutely nuts.
	That's the background a week ago, just about a week ago.
	Yeah, and it was a dramatic sighting over northern Washington to boot.
	I understand that 911 facilities all across the state were just humming.
	It's a wonder that the telephone system held up under it.
	But to give our listeners, who may not already know, just a brief synopsis of what happened.
	People in Seattle, looking to the north, or maybe a little bit west of north, saw a long, long smear of intensely bright lights moving across the sky.
	Roughly from southwest to northeast is what everybody said.
	Everybody but the U.S.
	Air Force a few hours later.
	And the interesting thing about it, and I'll talk more about that later in my report, is all of the lights, at least to most viewers, appeared to be moving at a regular pace.
	In other words, the formation of lights was pretty much immutable, unchangeable, as it moved across the sky, at least as most people reported it to us.
	Now since my report on Friday evening, we've gotten a gargantuan quantity of data thanks to many people who've called in and sent e-messages and...
	Reports over our website and the pieces the dust is finally beginning to settle and the pieces are falling in place and I must say Whereas early on I didn't know what we were dealing with following the US Air Force report Friday night and again early Saturday morning I began to wonder whether maybe it was just nothing more than a routine though dramatic Re-entry of space debris.
	I'm now as you properly reported earlier I am now beginning to gravitate to the pole and That this was not merely a re-entry event.
	For example... Peter, let me interrupt and just say, the Air Force and NORAD both reported that this object fell into the Pacific Ocean.
	That's correct.
	That's my understanding, Art.
	Now, what you have documented and compiled flies right in the face of that, doesn't it?
	Absolutely.
	Now, moreover, they reported that the The debris was going from east to west.
	Yes.
	In point of fact, it was going precisely the opposite direction.
	Now, just yesterday, I talked to a senior officer in the Public Information Office at NORAD.
	Very nice guy.
	Right.
	He was willing to help to the greatest degree he was able, and he is now working on a few of the questions I put to him.
	Of course, the Air Force said the booster was an SL-12 Russian booster.
	I think that's otherwise known as a Proton Booster.
	Right.
	The officer told me yesterday that that booster had been launched out of Russia, to the best of his knowledge, on the 12th of November.
	I've recently received data suggesting that the Proton Booster, and I may err on this point, people I understand can get information about it off the Internet, is an older rocket.
	We're going to do some work on this and try to find out exactly when that booster was
	launched, where it was launched from, what time it was launched, what the launch criteria
	were, what direction it went, all of those data points that we need to establish, we
	feel, whether the story coming out of NORAD is in point of fact accurate.
	So, Peter, you're telling me, if I'm hearing this correctly, that you've got to go to the
	Russians to get information that you're not getting from NORAD?
	That's what we're doing.
	It's not that we're not getting information from NORAD, although this officer did apprise me of the fact, I can almost quote him, Art, he said he was a little uncomfortable sharing this data with somebody in the civilian sector.
	Really?
	This is just routine space data, so far as I can tell.
	But it is our intention, in fact we have already initiated a process to try to get the information from the Russians on the actual facts surrounding this launch so we can simply corroborate what the Air Force has represented.
	Peter, is it worth asking the following?
	NORAD is the North American Air Defense Command.
	These are the guys who watch missile launches and watch movement of aircraft, blah blah blah, and if Russia should ever launch or China or something, they would track the missiles that were headed toward the U.S., destroying those that they could before they hit us, and so forth and so on.
	Now, that's a pretty important job.
	Norad tracked the objects going east to west which we clearly know that simply wasn't true
	How comfortable are you with that?
	Somebody made a mistake at NORAD, I think, Art.
	Somebody was on duty, and they maintain a 24-hour presence even in their public information office.
	Yeah, but this was one object, Peter.
	If we ever got into a war, and we had hundreds of ICBMs coming in with multiple warheads... Yes.
	This is why it is so terribly important in this case, I feel, to establish whether the Air Force did, in fact, Warn or issue a forewarning to anybody, whether in the government or in the civilian sector, to let us know.
	Because if they didn't, the one thing I'd like to know is how frequently do these missiles fly over the North American continent without forewarning?
	Yes.
	So that is clearly a germane point to this investigation.
	Now, in talking with the officer yesterday, I discovered that Well, it was his firm belief that the Air Force never said that the debris was flying from east to west, or that the rocket was flying from east to west.
	He said, that's clearly absurd.
	I agreed with him readily.
	Everybody knows that satellites always fly from west to east or in polar orbits, from south or south to north.
	Yes.
	So, we would, if there's anybody out there listening to our voices tonight who can Direct us to actual video footage or audio footage from the official members of the U.S.
	Air Force having that individual or those people actually say the debris was going from east to west.
	Please contact us in Seattle on our hotline.
	We would like to know how we can lay our hands on that footage.
	But we're pursuing the data through other channels as well and we're going to get to the bottom of this.
	I'm very uncomfortable.
	In a circumstance in which the American military may not be being absolutely forthright with the American people, particularly on an issue that doesn't appear to have any defensive nature to it, if you will.
	Security aspects.
	Security aspects, exactly.
	Well, but then, maybe it does.
	I mean, there are only one of two possibilities about what happened last Friday night.
	One is that they know what it is.
	And they're not interested in letting us know what it was, or they're not competent to know what it was, and I'd much rather believe the first.
	We know that the Air Force is capable of concealing facts.
	This happened over Arizona or down at Luke Air Force Base specifically on the 13th or 14th of March this year.
	Yes.
	They did not square with the American people.
	Is that the way the incident above Seattle and Vancouver and points east is now beginning to shape up?
	Is it beginning to look like another Phoenix?
	It is my suspicion that it may turn out to be that, but This is part of the reason we haven't released a preliminary statement yet, because we want the facts.
	When we release our statement, we want to have corroboration in hand that hopefully is incontrovertible.
	That's one of the issues I thought I would raise during this pre-program tonight is if anybody saw those lights, particularly people up in Canada who might have been looking south at the lights, we would particularly like a very short one or two paragraph description from them with a drawing of what they saw.
	That would be very helpful to us.
	It would be and we'll need it, but Peter, I've got to tell you.
	Uh, incontrovertible.
	They will still, they're still capable of making a remark like, uh, well, it was time compression, or witness fog, or, you know, who knows what they might say about it.
	I don't think it matters how definitive it is.
	If they don't want to tell us what it is, they will not do so.
	That's true.
	And this is one of the reasons I get sort of short-tempered with people who, ufologists, who do nothing but work with Freedom of Information Act requests, because, as you say, I think it's correct.
	If the government doesn't want us to know, the government isn't going to let us know.
	And I was thinking back to your earlier comments about Chile and their new committee.
	At least lamentable, and I would go so far as to say somewhat frightening from my vantage point, to live in a country like ours where we purport to be free, where we purport to have a representative government which is sensitive to our wishes, the mere citizens, and yet lowly, not lowly, Chile, a much smaller country.
	Yes.
	Much less sophisticated defense established.
	Also, you know, there are press ask questions.
	I like that about Chile and other countries.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, soon maybe with luck will be a democracy.
	Stand by.
	This is Coast to Coast AF.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
	Now again, here's Art.
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	Hello there, everybody.
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	If you are one of the Poor unfortunates out there who has not yet moved into the computer age.
	Please stop and listen to me for a second, all right?
	For example, right now, if you'll go to my website at www.artbell.com, you will see, click on the studio cam, and you will see what I am going to be doing, or my wife is going to be doing this week.
	And if you don't think we're going to have fun with that, I'm holding something up.
	I'll leave it up for about a half hour on the studio cam where you can actually see me doing the show about every 45 seconds.
	It clicks a photograph and sends it off to the masses out there.
	So you can see me doing the show.
	I try not to do things that would catch me in a funny position.
	Anyway, look, everything, everywhere you turn is the Internet.
	From my website to everybody else's, and just about everybody has one now.
	So, you should have a computer.
	But I, better than anybody, understand computers can be the most frustrating damn things on the face of the globe.
	It's a love-hate relationship.
	I love them, but I hate them when I can't figure them out.
	Senior Computer Systems is different.
	It's a company, and I mean it's really different.
	I've checked them out.
	The concept is... Well, it's not just a concept.
	It's a reality.
	It's here now.
	Here's the deal.
	You get an ultra-fast computer with built-in one-on-one live assistance.
	Now, does this mean a little guy lives inside your computer?
	No.
	But, here's the deal, suppose you're attempting to, you just get started, get your computer, you want to send email, right?
	You're stuck.
	You simply push the F12 key on your computer and, presto, you've got the SCS Tech Center's help, Jeannie!
	Jeannie!
	It's a real live person, by modem, who actually looks at your computer screen and shows you precisely what to do.
	They tell you, they talk to you!
	The genie will help you with your emails, show you how to surf the net, how to communicate with others, who share your interests.
	The SES computer has plenty of memory and storage spaces, easily upgraded when you want to do that.
	This computer has changed.
	The whole package comes with, get this, monitor, printer, 13 software programs, including Windows 95.
	I'm still here.
	Um, good.
	Um, here, let me read this to you, Peter.
	I aren't about chilly.
	Yes, their government is setting up a committee, and ours isn't.
	But, even if our government DID set up a committee on UFO study, I wouldn't trust them anyway.
	Would you?
	I think your show and organizations like Peter Davenport's are far more trustworthy as public entities than the government would ever be.
	That's Gary in Ogden, Utah.
	Yeah.
	He could not have extended to me a greater compliment.
	It is sadly, I mean, I'm a great fan of yours, Peter, but it's sadly true.
	It's sadly true.
	Anyway, Peter, go ahead.
	Let me give just a thumbnail sketch of where those objects went Friday night to give our listeners some idea of what happened.
	They came across the shore of Western Washington, in from the Pacific, somewhere over the town of Queets or Moclips.
	In fact, if anybody out in Western Washington had them come across the shore right over their heads, we'd like to hear from those people, because we are trying to reconstruct the actual ground track.
	The vision, the scene was so dramatic.
	We have a report that there was a law enforcement organization down in southwestern Washington that had all of their police out in a parking lot watching this object as it went streaming across the sky.
	But it moved to the northeast over Olympic National Park.
	In a minute or so I'll play a report we got from a gentleman high up in those mountains.
	They moved then north of Lummi Island towards Vancouver, British Columbia.
	And it's there that we think they took their second turn.
	Because whereas they apparently had been going to the northeast as they approached Vancouver,
	they then went down the Canadian border between Canada and Washington,
	because we have people all along the northern tier of Washington State.
	Leavenworth, Concrete, Tenasket, Methow, Nine Mile Falls.
	These are all towns that everybody in the state of Washington knows.
	Peter?
	Yeah?
	You said turn, right?
	Yes.
	Now, space junk could conceivably turn.
	A hunk of space junk could conceivably turn, depending on the aerodynamics of the wreckage.
	Yes.
	All of the space junk wouldn't have the same aerodynamics and wouldn't turn together, would it?
	It would not, and that leads me to another point that I think I alluded to on Friday, but we have now stronger confirmation of this, Art.
	All of the pieces that went down the Canadian border, headed east, went Reportedly, from all the reliable sources we have, seemingly reliable, they all moved at the same angular velocity.
	The formation remained constant.
	And in point of fact, it seems that the number of lights in the formation seems to have increased.
	Now, I'm quick to admit that that is fully consistent with a re-entry event.
	A break-up.
	Yeah, the break-up.
	Like a shotgun of debris hitting the atmosphere.
	Sure.
	But some of the, in fact, some people have said all of the lights were paired with one another, side by each, and they were in a symmetrical, regular pattern, moving across the sky.
	This is part of the reason we would like brief written statements from people who may have had a good look at this.
	They continued east.
	They crossed the Idaho border.
	The Idaho border?
	The Idaho border.
	And this is where it gets interesting.
	Because we got a call from a woman.
	Linda Moulton Howe, of course, interviewed her Sunday night on Dreamland.
	We got a call from a woman who was driving home.
	She knows the precise time, Art.
	It was between 9.15 and 9.20.
	She and her nine-year-old son were stopped on the highway staring at seven objects.
	That were the shape of discs hovering motionless in a crystal clear night sky.
	Four in a row on top, three in a row on bottom, she reports to us.
	Hovering.
	Hovering.
	And they were each one of those, she called them disks, I'm using her term now, each one of them was about 20 times, she estimates, the diameter of Venus at its brightest.
	That's a pretty prominent object in the night sky.
	Yes, it is.
	And interestingly, her report takes us then back about Perhaps 150 miles back to the east to the county of Okanagan in northern Washington State.
	Because we got a very reliable call from a 911 facility out there that reported the same thing in that county.
	People were reporting 7, 8, 9 or perhaps as many as 10 red lights that were skulking all over that county.
	My, my, my.
	But that in a nutshell is what happened.
	One of the very interesting things about these things was the tail, the light that was streaming off the tail of these objects.
	It was very dramatic, and we're very interested to hear from people who may have seen those things go over their heads exactly what they saw.
	But what I would like to do, Art, is conclude with about a 15-second cut of what a gentleman describes from Uh, Olympic National Park.
	He was camped up there Friday night, and this is what he describes.
	Okay, Olympic National Park, Peter, is where?
	That is out west of Seattle on that big peninsula that forms the western end of the state of Washington.
	Right, okay.
	This guy was camped up there, I think he was on his own, and this is what he described to us just yesterday morning that went directly over his head when he was camped up there in the mountains.
	Here we go.
	Lake Cushman.
	What'd you see, please, sir?
	Yeah, I went into the mountains that Friday night and was doing some driving and I looked up and saw these five or six that they were in a group.
	There was one in the background that was zigzagging back and forth.
	And then there was sparks coming off the rear of these shafts or whatever they were.
	So I watched them for quite a while, but they were heading north, northeast.
	There are two things about his report.
	He goes on for another 15 minutes or so, but I think our listeners will get an idea about what he saw there.
	He saw a wedge-shaped formation, I believe he said, of fairly large objects.
	He described them the size of basketballs, although that's ambiguous, of course.
	You don't know how far away they were or how far away he had basketballs in his mind.
	But he said that the light was streaming off the tail of these objects.
	Now everybody knows that when something, a ballistic body, comes into a fluid, in this case our atmosphere, It heats up.
	It is the nose of the object that will heat up and sparks stream off the nose of it.
	Off the front, yes.
	That was not the case in this instance.
	Everybody, everybody reports to us that light and sparks were streaming out the back end of these things.
	If somebody has a different story to tell us, we'd sure like to hear from them because we'd like to lay this one to rest once and for all.
	Well, so in other words, you really didn't get any useful, definitive information from NORAD, did you?
	Not yet, we haven't.
	I felt they were being cautious.
	I am not going to criticize them.
	They're military people operating under orders.
	They're looking forward to their next promotion, of course.
	They've perhaps been told precisely what they have to do, and that's what you do when you're in the military.
	Anybody who's been in knows that.
	So I'm not condemning them.
	They haven't done us any dirt at this point.
	It's just that we would like good, clear, crisp, clean, accurate data.
	Unambiguous.
	We haven't made any unusual requests.
	All we want to know is when that Russian missile went up, what its launch criteria were, where it was headed, what its payload was, and so on and so forth.
	Do you think it's likely that you'll be able to get this information from the Russian government?
	I think it's highly likely at this stage. Highly likely, but it's very dangerous in this business
	to try to predict things. We try to avoid that like we avoid the plague. And we will report
	once we get the good, hard, fast data that people can hang their hats on.
	That's the kind we like to deal in.
	It's a fairly rare commodity in this field we call ufology.
	But that's what we have to do to get to the bottom of a story like this.
	And it is an interesting story.
	It is.
	And here's another question for you that people want to know about.
	We began to get reports toward the end of this incredible show we did with you and Whitley last week.
	That there was wreckage located or found.
	Even hundreds of pounds of wreckage or something.
	What happened to it?
	What's the story?
	Yeah, isn't it interesting?
	If it is extant, if it's available, I certainly haven't heard about it.
	We got a report on Sunday afternoon that there was some 400 pounds of anomalous metal, let's call it, I presume it would have been the wreckage, that was gathered from around Abbotsford, British Columbia.
	That's just north of Washington State.
	Gathered?
	Who gathered it?
	Well, that's another question.
	Do we have space debris gatherers now?
	I don't know who got it, but it was asserted to us that a TV station in Vancouver, BC was going to carry the footage Sunday afternoon.
	Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.
	But that's the type of footage, it seems to me, if it was really available, would spread pretty quickly.
	We would have seen it down in Seattle.
	I haven't seen it yet, but that's... Well, I must tell you, CNN The next day, the following day, on Saturday.
	Finally, in the afternoon, Peter, began to cover the story.
	And, you know, you know what they said?
	They said Space Junk provided an entertaining light show over the Northwest.
	Yeah.
	Entertaining light show.
	Yeah.
	This happened to me back in March over the Arizona sightings, too.
	I tried to give those people the date.
	I tried to wake them up and alert them.
	I'm afraid that the American press and I use this term with some reservation, but I'm going to do it anyway.
	They've turned into sort of milquetoast toothless lap dogs.
	They trundle themselves off to the official government announcements, they jot down what the government bureaucrat tells them, and then they go put it in their reports.
	This is not the traditional American press.
	It really is.
	Or maybe it is now.
	And I want to be careful here because of course I'm on the air in Atlanta and CNN and I love CNN.
	I really love CNN.
	I'm not picking on any individual now.
	I'm alluding to all of them.
	But this was a serious event.
	I mean, we all took literally hundreds of calls.
	Thousands of people saw it.
	You said yourself, there's a police officer who might even be willing to go on the air.
	Oh yeah, she would be a good one, Art.
	He is one of our very best UFO investigators in the state of Washington.
	The guy is meticulous.
	He makes Hercule Poirot look careless in his approach to a crime.
	And I'll give you his name and address and phone number over your private line and you can talk to him.
	He's collecting apparently some really good data down in the southwest corner of Washington.
	And that's where some of the interesting things really happen during this case.
	We even got another report from another very prestigious law enforcement officer.
	He doesn't want to be identified yet, so I'm going to leave him out of the picture, but he had a very, very good look at this.
	This is way far from being in, and the investigation continues.
	We're not just dropping this.
	We're not just going to let it go.
	Yes, I'm glad.
	The jury is still out.
	I agree with that entirely.
	It may be shown to us in the near future that it was nothing but a space debris event.
	I'm inviting the U.S.
	force if it's within their power to provide us with the hard evidence not just the statement
	not just the assertion the conclusive facts that will allow us to reconstruct what happened
	and satisfy ourselves that everything is copacetic with this information.
	Entirely reasonable if people have specific video stills or information they can reach
	you by calling what number? Area code 206 in Seattle 722-3000 206-722-3000 or they can
	go to our website which is www.ufocenter.com.
	And let me just throw out, Art, that we do not take commercial advantage of anybody's photographs.
	We'd be happy to share them with you for your website because you have such exposure there.
	We'd like permission to put them on our website, too.
	But if anybody got pictures or videotape of the objects, we'd certainly like an opportunity to take a look at them if they permit us.
	My friend, I thank you.
	You are an invaluable resource, and I appreciate the follow-up, and I'll look forward to hearing anything else that comes your way about this incident.
	Well, I thank you, and thanks most of all for the opportunity, Art.
	This is the best way I know of to get the word out to the American people, and they're the ones who deserve this story.
	I agree, Peter.
	Thank you, and good night.
	Thanks, good night.
	All right, that's Peter Davenport.
	Coming up shortly, Whitley Strieber.
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	Phineas, here I am and we have an adventure to take you through tonight.
	My guest is the internationally known Whitley Strieber.
	And Whitley, of course, authored the bestseller, Communion, about his abduction experiences.
	And he's had some quite remarkable ones.
	And there have been several books since, including Secret School and others.
	I will tell you all about them.
	But tonight, tonight, Whitley is going to tell you about something that occurred in Glenrock, Wyoming.
	And we have witnesses.
	We'll cover that.
	We'll cover implants.
	We're going to have Dr. Roger Lear, who is probably the pioneer implant surgeon in this country.
	And we'll talk about implants.
	Kind of like the one Whitley has.
	The most remarkable story was told last week.
	Some of you might not have heard it.
	Those of you new listeners in New York City would not have.
	Whitley, for years, has had an implant in his ear.
	And he endeavored to have it removed surgically, and when the surgeon got close to it with a scalpel, the damn thing moved.
	It moved.
	Those are the words of the surgeon.
	And if we're lucky, and we may be, that surgeon may also call in tonight.
	A lot of people send me faxes saying, oh, come on, it moved.
	Well, they got a little piece of it, but indeed, the surgeon uttered those words that the implant actually moved away from the scalpel.
	So, Whitley Strieber, Wyoming?
	Implants?
	And if we have time for it, Mexico City?
	And what's going on down there?
	Chile, the government of, has just announced it will begin officially studying UFOs.
	A sad saga indeed, when a little country with a budget less than many of our U.S.
	cities is able to do what we are Of course, Abel apparently unwilling to do.
	So coming up in a moment, Whitley Strieber.
	All right, here we go.
	Internationally known for his abduction experiences, for his writings on the subject.
	You should know the name, Whitley Strieber from San Antonio.
	Here is Whitley.
	Whitley, welcome back to the program.
	Glad to be here, Art.
	Whitley, rattle off, if you would, the books that you have authored, beginning, of course, with Communion.
	Communion, its sequel transformation, then Majestic about the Roswell incident, Breakthrough, then The Secret School about my childhood, and out right now is the Communion Letters, a hundred letters taken from the thousands that have come into the Communion Foundation over the years.
	I just found out the comic book beyond communion is out in the comic book stores. No, please
	Which is great. It's a really neat comic book from caliber comics
	coming out in May or before is
	Confirmation the hard evidence of aliens among us that among other things is going to prove
	That the cover-up is real and is going to take this whole controversy to another level I
	Remember last week you used the word of ghetto eyes
	That a ufology has been ghettoized.
	And so you're all about de-ghettoizing it.
	We're coming out of the ghetto.
	They can't keep us in it anymore.
	We've got too much on our side.
	All right.
	Too much information and too much proof.
	What the heck happened in Glen Rock?
	Okay, for me this story starts on August the 27th, 1986.
	I'm in my house in upstate New York, my little cabin, and there are nine powerful knocks on the side of the house, sequenced in three groups of three.
	It frightens the dickens out of me.
	By this time, I've already had the communion experience.
	I'm still struggling with this.
	Not at all sure whether it's even physically real or not.
	This is the most physical thing that has ever happened.
	When you say knocks, do you mean like knocks on the door, or do you mean bangs, or what do you mean?
	Loud bangs.
	Incredibly precise, as if a 70-pound fist was hitting the logs on the side of the house.
	With absolute precision.
	I think if I had had a tape recorder on, the time between those knocks probably would have been Exactly the same to the millionth of a second.
	It was startlingly machine-like in its perfection.
	All right.
	The animals, the two cats in the room, reacted very strangely with a whole series of bizarre movements that I didn't even know that they were capable of.
	I wrote about this all in Transformation.
	Incredibly enough, exactly 18 months to the day later, February the 27th, 1988, The same thing happened to Glenrock, Wyoming.
	Let me read to you from the Glenrock Independent, Thursday, March the 3rd, 1988.
	We our knockings disturb Glenrock snoozers Saturday.
	Strange unexplained noises interrupted the slumber of many Glenrock residents early Saturday morning.
	The three-part series of three dull thuds at 2.45 a.m.
	was reported by many residents who believed it was made by direct physical contact on the outside of their dwellings.
	Now, one of those residents, Jamie, has actually heard these sounds, is here with us now.
	Darren Young, who grew up in Glen Rock and can tell us a lot of this extraordinary town's amazing stories, is with us, and we have someone else with us Marla.
	And Marla has done, I think, one of the most unique things that anyone has ever done quite by accident.
	She and Jamie and some other women were traveling on a road near Glen Rock at one point.
	They noticed a very unusual cloud.
	They took a video of that cloud without having any memory of taking the video.
	Oh, that's weird.
	They arrived where they were going and realized they had some missing time.
	The video, they took some photographs of the cloud also, which they remembered doing.
	The video was taken during missing time.
	During missing time, as in?
	During missing time, and incredibly, at the very end of the video, one of the three women, one of the four women who were there, utters something in what sounds like an unknown language.
	It's hard to hear, and we're still trying to pull out all of the extraneous noises without losing with words that are not understandable it's very hard
	because if you remove the static and so forth you remove pieces of the words also and that makes it even
	more difficult to understand.
	Right.
	But right now it does not appear to be spoken in a known language and you'll hear that when we
	play the audio from this.
	And let me add for my listeners that a still photograph which does not do justice obviously
	to a moving video shot of an object in the sky the videotape Whitley is talking about.
	We've got a still photograph on the website.
	Go take a look at www.artbell.com.
	You'll see that cloud and you'll see the object there.
	Can you describe to them what, what's, uh, for those who don't have the internet, Whitley?
	Yes.
	The cloud is, is very unusual.
	It has a number of different lights, like almost different colors of the rainbow, but
	they are integral to the cloud, almost as if it had some chemical composition or something
	shining from inside it that was causing the light to refract in various ways.
	It's a very unusual cloud.
	I've never seen one like it, not yet shown it to a meteorologist, but I'm quite sure
	that it's going to be an anomalous cloud.
	The cloud formation aside, though, there is an object, isn't there?
	That's right.
	An object.
	Actually, there are more objects than you can see in the snap on the website, in the Snappy picture on the website.
	Some objects move into the cloud from below and then out of the cloud from above.
	And in the Snappy, we've got one of those objects that moves out of the cloud from above is captured in the Snappy moving very rapidly.
	A little triangular-shaped object.
	So you've got that videotape?
	Yes, absolutely.
	I've got it right here.
	All right.
	Would you like to bring Darren on now?
	Yeah, let's bring Darren on now.
	All right.
	This is from, I presume, well, let's not presume.
	Let's ask.
	Darren, where are you located?
	I'm in Denver right now, Art.
	You're in Denver.
	But originally, Glenrock?
	Yeah.
	I get up there every Christmas.
	Well, actually, whenever I can.
	Where is Glenrock?
	Near Central Wyoming, it's about 20 miles out of Casper, if you're familiar with that.
	All right, Whitley, go ahead.
	Whitley?
	Hello, Whitley, where'd you go?
	Well, I don't know where Whitley wants.
	You disappeared on us for a second.
	I've got another phone waiting in case the doctor calls.
	Oh, I see, I see.
	I'll call him.
	All right.
	At any rate, we've got Darren and I asked him where Glen Rock was and he told us.
	Now go ahead and ask Darren anything you want.
	Okay, Darren, why don't you tell us a little bit about what happened to you growing up
	in Glen Rock?
	My own personal earliest strange experience with any of this.
	It does extend back further into the family.
	My grandmother and my mother had both seen UFOs around that area.
	Right.
	But we were coming back in 72 from Montana.
	Right.
	And in between Sheridan and Casper, we ran into a thunderstorm.
	And was, had to slow down to probably about 30 miles an hour along the road.
	Tremendous thunderstorm.
	Right.
	And I was playing at the window in the passenger side.
	You were how old at this point?
	I was about five.
	Right.
	And I don't recall who started the game, but I started receiving these knocks on the window.
	Coming from the outside?
	Yeah.
	And it's specifically on the window.
	It didn't come from the door.
	It didn't come from, you know, the front window or anything.
	Did anyone else in the car notice it?
	Not on the roof.
	Not at the moment.
	Mom and me were the only ones in the car, and she was concentrating pretty hard on driving.
	Right.
	So you were moving?
	Oh, yeah.
	We were going 30 miles an hour.
	You know, it was a deluge, you know, literally.
	I've been in them, I know.
	And you're telling me that somebody was knocking on your window doing 30 miles an hour?
	That's what I've had to contend with for a while.
	I've thought about it and I just don't think it was possible, but I'm knocking back and forth on this window with this, you know, it would mimic my every knock.
	And I finally decided, well, I, you know, this is something really neat and I've got to show mom this.
	So I got her attention and I said, watch.
	And I knocked on the window a couple of times and it, it, At this point did not mimic what I did it knocked back in three sets of three exactly the way Woodley had described it knocking on his house in 85.
	And this was this must have been back in the 70s?
	Yeah.
	How did your mother react at that point?
	Well she screamed and Ford Yep, that would be my reaction too.
	and then we took off. Yup, that'd be my reaction too. Mine too. Which scared me, I was having fun
	up to that point and I jumped down into the floorboard and started to cry and you know we
	we really raced out of there and you know thinking back well certainly it couldn't have been a
	hitchhiker on the road running you know because this went on for probably a good seven to eight
	minutes before I decided to get my mom's attention.
	So, you know, a seven-minute run in a deluge at 30 miles an hour, I don't think is a possibility for a human.
	Well, to a five-year-old, knocks on the window are lots of fun, even at 30 miles an hour.
	Oh, yeah.
	To an adult, it's absolutely terrifying.
	Could you all see out the window at all?
	With the flashes of lightning, yeah.
	And that was the thing that really You know, when this happened to me in upstate New York, it was so powerful.
	I sat in the chair thinking, should I go out?
	Can I go out?
	I thought it was some sort of magic, I guess.
	You know, when this happened to me in upstate New York, it was so powerful.
	I sat in the chair thinking, should I go out? Can I go out?
	And to be very honest, as I reported in Transformation, I was just too scared.
	I wouldn't have gone out there.
	I can't even now remember, I've never had any hypnosis about this, whether or not I did go out.
	I really just don't know.
	I've had a couple of dreams about it that suggest I may have, but I was not conscious of it.
	In my conscious mind I was sitting right there in that chair.
	I was too scared to move.
	Because it's an overwhelming thing and it makes it The fact that there's this cover-up going and it's so secret and so hidden makes it just extremely difficult to handle when you're alone with it.
	I can certainly understand their panic and their fear in that car.
	Ah, I can too.
	And I would have done as your mother did, Darren.
	I'd have floored it and I'd be out of there, rainstorm or not.
	And I take it that when she did that, that it stopped.
	Yeah, it did, but it kind of continued on later that night.
	Later that night?
	It was strange.
	We had gotten home, beaten the storm home, literally, and got into bed, and we had this little terrier who, once we got tucked in and ready to go to sleep, suddenly that dog started to just, it crawled under the front of the bed, And just let out a steady low growl until, until I went to sleep.
	I don't recall mom saying that, you know, I think she went to sleep too.
	I don't know how with the dog doing that.
	I mean, for some reason it didn't bother me, um, except for at first.
	And then I just got used to it, but, but the dog just would not stop growling all night long, according to her.
	Now, when you were home, this was in Glenrock?
	Yeah, we'd, we'd reached Glenrock and, um, Just, we heard different sounds in the house that night.
	Like thumpings or... Well, actually it was the old, I don't know if any of you guys ever had the hippie beads that used to hang in the doorways.
	Oh, sure, sure.
	Those swayed back and forth all night long.
	And, you know, all the windows were shut.
	We had a central furnace at that time that did not give off waves of air.
	Thinking back, there was no draft in the house to make those beads move.
	Like it's haunted almost.
	Yeah.
	Well, actually, that's a whole different story, but that house was haunted.
	At least...
	The whole town is haunted.
	We stayed at the Higgins Hotel there.
	What brought you to Glen Rock?
	I went to Glen Rock because I'm doing an article for Life Magazine about the people of close encounter.
	This is not an article so much about UFOs.
	This is about the human element in this.
	I went with the photographer Timothy Greenfield Saunders to Glenn Rock and then Ventura and we're going to a few other places in this country as well where there have been exceptionally large numbers of sightings and experiences.
	And I'm just mentioning this in passing that we stayed in this hotel called the Higgins Hotel in Glenn Rock, a lovely little place.
	Only I noticed that the third floor was locked up.
	I think, Darren, do you know about this?
	You probably know more about it than I do.
	Well, I did.
	I know it's haunted.
	Well, I questioned the owners of it and they said, oh yeah, we keep it locked up because it's haunted and it scares people up there.
	Now, this is perfect.
	I mean, only in Glen Rock would the hotel be so haunted.
	They just have to close off an entire floor.
	Yeah, that's really odd.
	Very odd.
	You lived, Darren, all your young life in Glen Rock?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like I was 24, I just turned 31 last Friday, uh, last Saturday.
	And, and this was fairly, these kinds of things were fairly commonplace in Glenrock?
	Yeah.
	You know, growing up with it, it doesn't seem that unusual, but you get out of Glenrock and, and try to tell people about these things, and it's like, uh, you've, you know, we just walked off the surface of Mars.
	Because it's an everybody in Glenrock sort of thing.
	For example, um, Darren and his family and friends were kind enough to gather for us when we were there, and among the people was a wonderful elderly couple who had had the experience back in 1975 of driving down the highway at night with this huge lighted object above them, shining a searchlight down, which they were swerving to avoid.
	And then finding that a sheriff's car from the sheriff's department drove past them, chasing the object, and they watched it chasing the object off down the highway.
	Oh my.
	And again, that was reported in the local newspaper.
	I've got the story right here.
	All right.
	Darren, I want to thank you for being with us tonight.
	We're about to go to another couple of Glenrock residents after the bottom of the hour, but I thank you, Darren.
	Sure, you betcha.
	Take care, my friend.
	That's Darren Young, who grew up in Glenrock.
	When we come back, two more Glenrock people.
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	Well, good morning.
	It's great to be here.
	Whitley Streber is my guest, author of Communion and so much more.
	He is an abductee.
	And if you listen carefully tonight, before it's all over, even those who are somewhat skeptical, I think that will be erased as we bring on two more people from Glen Rock, and then we're going to turn our attention to a doctor who has removed implants, Dr. Roger Lear.
	All of that coming up in a moment.
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	All right.
	What the hell is going on in Glenrock, Wyoming?
	We're probably driving the real estate prices right down through the ground in Glenrock right now.
	Sorry to know what's going on in that respect.
	All right.
	Whitley Streber is our guest.
	There he is.
	There's his voice.
	He's in San Antonio, Texas.
	Now we're going to bring on two people.
	We're going to bring on Marla Hendricks and Jamie Eager.
	I believe that's correct.
	Is that correct, Whitley?
	Yes.
	And they're located both in where?
	Are they in Glen Rock?
	They're in Glen Rock, yeah.
	Glen Rock.
	All right, here they are.
	Let's see if we've got them.
	Marla, are you there?
	Hello, yes.
	Hi, and Jamie?
	I'm here.
	All right, Whitley, it's all yours.
	Okay, let's start with We've been talking with you, Jamie, since we've been talking so much about the Nine Knocks, and you were one of the actual direct witnesses, I believe.
	You heard them yourself.
	Yes, I did.
	Why don't you describe that experience for us?
	Well, the experience started quite a few years before that.
	We lived on a ranch about 60 miles north, and it was the same place that you talked about the elderly couple seeing the UFO, and we seemed to see a lot of lights in the sky quite often.
	And so then when I moved to town and this happened, I thought it was totally happening to me.
	I didn't have any idea that it was the whole town until I opened the paper up the next Thursday.
	We get the paper once a week.
	And I was just shocked to see that it happened to, you know, several, several people in town.
	What did happen that night?
	I was sleeping.
	It was about, oh, 2.45 in the morning and I heard three Very loud, dull knocks at the door.
	I have a big wooden front door, and it was a big knock, knock, knock.
	Very slow, very loud.
	And I sat up in bed, and I looked around, and everything seemed to be kind of an orange color, kind of an amber color, like lights or something from outside.
	And I got up, and I was heading down the stairs, and as I was halfway down the stairs, I heard another set of three knocks.
	The same exact thing.
	Um, really loud and dull thuds.
	And I looked at my legs, um, just seemed to be luminescent in that color.
	And I, I pinched myself.
	You know how you pinch yourself to see if you're awake?
	I heard that.
	And I kept saying, I'm awake.
	I'm awake.
	I'm awake.
	I am really awake.
	And I went down to the foot of the stairs and I looked at the door and I just had no feeling whatsoever to go out the door.
	I kept, I kept thinking they're out there.
	You know, it's there, they're there.
	Something is going on out there, but I really didn't have the inkling at all to go out through the door.
	I noticed.
	It was so strange and I have a big collie dog who stood in front of the door between me and the door and her hair was standing on end and her eyes were big and she didn't move a muscle.
	Didn't bark.
	She didn't growl.
	She did not move a muscle.
	I turned around and I went back upstairs.
	I went into my son's bedroom.
	I looked at my son and I went to bed.
	I had a good feeling.
	It was just, you know, a warm feeling.
	I just felt very relaxed and very calm.
	I went to bed, and as I laid in bed, I heard another set of the three knocks.
	Knock, knock, knock on the door.
	And I laid in bed with this smile on my face, and I said, imagine that.
	They're out there knocking on my door, and I'm in bed, going to bed with a smile on my face.
	It was the dangedest feeling.
	And the next thing I knew, the telephone rang, and it was 8 o'clock in the morning, and it was our next door neighbor saying, did you hear the burglars?
	And when she said that, I thought, aha, she heard him too.
	I wasn't asleep, I was awake, and I thought, I had a happening.
	Wow, I really had a happening.
	And so, I got up, you know, and a lot of times when you think you see something or you think you've dreamt something, this was actually real.
	I heard it, I wasn't asleep, I felt myself, you know, and she heard it too.
	So I got up and I was sitting down and I was having coffee.
	And a friend of mine, well actually it happens to be the The woman who with her husband was chased by the UFO came in.
	They were friends of ours and they came to town and she was having coffee with me.
	And I said, you won't believe what happened.
	I said, this happened.
	I said, it actually happened.
	I had this happening.
	And so then it was later.
	We weren't even talking about that anymore.
	And my son came down the stairs and my son was about 10 years old at the time.
	And this was nine years ago.
	And people didn't talk about, you know, you didn't have UFO t-shirts and you didn't have shows on TV.
	Nobody talked about anything like this at all.
	It just wasn't, wasn't spoken or anything.
	And he came down the stairs and he looked at me and he was just very, very angry with me.
	And he said, I don't know why you like them.
	And I said, like who?
	And he said, those people.
	He said, I don't know why you like them.
	They, they steal you away from, from your beds at night.
	They take you away from your parents and they stick things up your nose and they're not nice.
	And he just turned around and slammed out the door and was very angry with me.
	And that was the point in my investigation where I got really frightened and angry and confused and it wasn't as much fun as it used to be.
	It's not the only case where the children have been at ease with it or the parents have been at ease with it and the other is very much the opposite.
	We have more than one case like that, Jamie.
	Alone in this, I could easily connect you with another mother who's had a very similar experience, in this case, with her little girl.
	Jamie, was this a norm in Glen Rock?
	Well, not at the time.
	I didn't know.
	Well, at that time, I had just moved to Glen Rock.
	We had lived out at the ranch.
	My husband was a rural school teacher, and we lived out at the ranch, and we just moved to town.
	But you had a lot happen at that ranch, as I recall, too.
	We did.
	The people that owned the ranch, They had a lot of sheep missing.
	So many sheep that they didn't find any carcasses or anything so it wouldn't be predators.
	They thought that someone was shipping them off in trucks and hauling them out.
	And so they sat on the hillsides many, many nights, you know, with guns, trying to find rustlers.
	And they watched many of these lights.
	And in fact, one night they had checked the sheep in a barn and turned around and there was the mother and the daughter and there was a spacecraft She said it must have been standing about 75 yards behind them, and it was so big that it filled the whole sky up behind them.
	Oh, wow.
	And when they turned and looked, it was just zipped gone.
	They said it was lights and everything, and then it was just gone.
	Wow.
	And so, I don't know what was wrestling the shape, but... So then we moved to town, and like I said, I thought that this was my happening, and that this had happened to us, and then when I read in the paper, you know, it happened to almost everyone in the whole town.
	And a lot of people noticed the fog.
	They said that there was an orange colored fog all over town.
	Yes.
	And a couple of the bartenders said that when they were going home they saw this strange fog and it just gave them a real eerie feeling.
	An orange colored?
	Kind of an amber-orange colored fog, a strange colored fog.
	Um, that's quite remarkable.
	I don't know, I don't know, it's interesting.
	Well it's actually, it is, it is remarkable, but it is also something that in Experiences like this, there's often a fog that kind of will settle over an area or over a specific individual.
	For example, just after we went to Glen Rock, the next stop was Ventura, California, and I listened to a close encounter witness describing how she had been driving in Ventura in a car with her two children, her two sons.
	And had been overtaken by this strange glowing fog that kind of came up from behind them and actually surrounded the car, whereupon they had an hour of missing time.
	Let me interject here.
	If you read the chronicles of what has occurred in the Bermuda Triangle in nearly every instance of encompasses beginning to swirl, time disappearing, people appearing to go into other dimensions, that sort of thing.
	Always, those stories are connected with a strange kind of fog that descends first.
	That's right.
	That's very true.
	No, that is very true.
	We also have Marla Hendricks on the line, and I guess she's in Glen Rock as well.
	Is that correct, Marla?
	Yes, I am.
	So, what happened to you?
	Well, this happened back in October of 1995.
	By the way, Marla, do you know Jamie?
	Are you friends?
	Yes.
	You know each other?
	He was with me that day.
	Alright.
	Her and her mother, and myself and my mother.
	Alright, so we've got a lot of eyewitness testimony.
	Alright, so tell us what happened.
	Four of us.
	We had been up in Cody, Wyoming to our daughter's volleyball tournament.
	And we were getting ready to leave town, and this was in the middle of the afternoon, a little after 2 o'clock, and I called home to let my husband know That we were leaving and we stopped at the gas station and gassed up and bought some pop and headed down the highway.
	And, I mean, it was just a beautiful day, you know, blue sky, sunshine.
	And we were probably about 20 miles out of Cody and Jamie leaned over and looked up in the sky and she said, oh, look at that beautiful rainbow cloud.
	And I was like, rainbow cloud?
	You know, well, and I kind of looked at each other and We've always hunted and fished and you know watched the sky a lot with all the clouds and hadn't seen a rainbow cloud so I couldn't see it driving so I pulled over to the side of the road and it was just beautiful and so I knew that I had two pictures left on my camera and so I said you know do you think a picture turns out if I you know took it?
	And so I opened my door and started to get out and walked to the back of the van.
	And Jamie said, you know, I've always thought that a rainbow cloud meant that a UFO was hiding behind it.
	And I kind of just snickered, you know, thinking, yeah, right, Jamie.
	And I lifted my back window up of the van to shade my camera lens from the sun.
	And she said, wait, wait just a minute.
	She said, it'll start to dissipate and we'll get to see the UFO in the middle.
	And so I waited a minute, or it wasn't even a minute, it was a second.
	And sure enough, this big fluffy cloud started dissipating, and right in the center of it appeared this disc-shaped UFO.
	And we were just all in amazement.
	And I took one picture, took my camera down, brought it back up, I had a 35mm, took another picture, and we were just all amazed.
	You know, that it did what she said that it would do.
	Jamie, how did you know that was going to happen?
	I had no idea.
	I had no idea.
	Is this something that just came to you?
	Well, I have seen a couple of rainbow clouds before.
	And then, like I said, I have kind of seen the lights and stuff, and I always was a little personal, you know, ha-ha with myself that, well, I think it's because there's a UFO behind there, and the energy's just giving off, making the cloud look like that, you know.
	But, you know, Jamie, at the end of the tape, there are those words in another We've got every word on the tape pretty much, and they're pretty innocuous on the video that was made while you all were in missing time.
	Except the last few words, we can't seem to capture what language they would be in, and those words appear to be being spoken by you.
	The reason I bring this up is that there is a lot of evidence in the Close Encounter Experience that people know more about this on some level.
	and we're really admitting to ourselves, or that we can admit to ourselves.
	Many cases where individuals will be seen engaged in activities in close encounter experiences
	suggest they're very familiar with what's happening, but they have absolutely no memory of it afterwards.
	And see if it leaves us an example.
	Wendley, I'd like to ask them both about the missing time.
	How do you two know that there was missing time?
	Marla can finish that story, and then I'll tell you about just what I did this last week.
	Sure. Okay. Marla?
	Okay. Well, to continue on with this story, so we were all just, you know, oh my gosh, we were all so
	excited about this beautiful rainbow cloud, and then we were done with it, and my mom and I got back in
	the car, and I started down the highway, and then I got really
	sleepy.
	And so I pulled over, and my mom drove on to Thermopolis, which is about 85 miles between Cody and Thermopolis.
	That's about how fast she drives.
	Well, you know, about 70 or so.
	And so when we got there, Jamie called her husband in Glen Rock and was surprised when they were talking to find out that it was 445.
	It had taken two and a half hours to drive 84 miles.
	And between the four of us, I mean, We all, you know, maybe 10 minutes we stopped and looked at this cloud, took the, you know, snapshots.
	And then the gas time, because we have the record of my phone bill calling my husband at 2.05, and then the record of her phone bill.
	And like I say, 84 miles and it took two and a half hours.
	At 70 miles an hour with that one 10-minute stop.
	Right.
	Impossible.
	So there's roughly calculated how much missing time?
	About an hour and 15 minutes.
	An hour and 15 minutes.
	But the interesting thing was... Yeah, that's not the kicker.
	This is the kicker.
	Just the other day, last weekend, her daughter has graduated but mine was in the state volleyball tournament again in Cody.
	And so we went up there And after the game, the girls ended up losing the exact same game at the exact same time as they did two years before.
	After that game, I stopped and bought a medicine cabinet, which they had to take off the wall.
	They couldn't find the knob.
	We just wasted so much time.
	Then we had to go downtown and clean the paint off of a window that we painted all up for the girls.
	Then we went to the motel and got the girls all packed up.
	Then we went to TCBY and couldn't decide what we wanted to have for ice cream.
	We must have wasted 45 minutes in there.
	And then we got in the road.
	And I usually drive slower than Marla drives, and I was driving, and we got to Thermopolis, and we had wasted much, much more time in Cody than we had the two years before.
	And when I pulled into Thermopolis, it was 3.15.
	Here we go again!
	So I know for a fact that we should have gotten there at least by 3 or 3.15 at the latest
	the last time and it wasn't until 4.45 we got there two years before.
	So that really gave me a confirmation that there really was something missing.
	You know, the first time around, it's the strangest thing.
	You don't think of it.
	For some reason, you get the feeling it's not important.
	I went, when we went, um, when I called my husband in, from Thermopolis, because, you know, um, to tell him that we were on our way home, and he said it was almost five o'clock, I went to the, to the table that the ladies were sitting in their eat, they're gonna, you know, order to eat.
	And I said, ladies, it's almost five o'clock.
	Do we have some missing time here?
	Do either one of you know what you did during this missing time?
	me they said what should we have for dinner? I mean it was like okay nobody's interested I'll
	just drop it. But that's the way it seems always at first it seems not important then you drop it
	and then later even years later something comes to you and you think that's really important.
	Now do either one of you know what you did during this missing time?
	No.
	Sounded silly on the tape.
	Yeah, and that's what I started to say.
	That's what the kicker is.
	A month later, a month after that, I always video my children's athletic activities while basketball was coming up.
	And I hadn't watched the volleyball tape from State, so I thought, well gosh, I better get to the end of that volleyball so that I can start the basketball.
	And I hooked it up to my big screen TV and started playing it.
	This rainbow cloud appears on my videotape.
	Oh, my!
	So, in other words, you videotaped during the missing time.
	Well, I... We had no idea you videotaped.
	You know, there were four of us.
	Nobody knew it.
	And you would think, as excited as we were, my husband said this, you know, Marla, you were so excited about taking your film in the very next day when you got home to get these still pictures.
	Right.
	And if you'd have known you had a video, wouldn't have you been excited to see it?
	And this is a month later, and it just, you know, I just plugged it in so I can start recording again, and here this appears on my video.
	And then as you're watching the rainbow cloud, all of a sudden at the top of the screen, Zip comes out an actual solid ball of something, which is on, what you have on the internet now.
	Real silver.
	And we didn't even know that she taped it.
	So in other words, you all, four of you, is that correct?
	Yep, four of us.
	Right.
	Actually did taping.
	Whitley, how long is the videotape?
	It's about 90 seconds.
	About 90 seconds in total.
	And you can hear each of us talking and saying, oh, gosh, it's just beautiful, you know, because of the colors and everything.
	Right.
	And not one of us remember videotaping.
	All right.
	I want to finish this up.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	So everybody hold tight through the break and we will be back.
	And we've got Marla Hendricks, Jamie Eager, Both Glenrock people, as the saga of Glenrock continues, will finish up in a moment.
	My guest throughout the night tonight is Whitley Scriber, and you will hear his story and the story of implants.
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	My guest is Whitley Strieber, and we have been discussing the Glenrock people.
	Darren Young, first, Marla Hendricks, and Jamie Eager, both still with us, who have missing time.
	They saw a UFO.
	As a matter of fact, during the missing time, they videotaped a UFO.
	That's right.
	During missing time, they videotaped a UFO.
	We have a still photograph of That UFO and the unusual cloud formation they've been talking about, along with their reports of missing time.
	We're going to finish up with that in a moment.
	Then we're going to turn our attention toward implants.
	As you know, Whitley Strieber has one in his ear.
	Hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Americans, or maybe more, may also have implants.
	Dr. Roger Lear is probably the pioneer implant surgeon in the U.S.
	We'll be talking to Dr. Lear shortly.
	And Marla Hendricks and Jamie Eager, welcome back all.
	We didn't get finished properly, so let us do that now.
	Missing time, and here you videotape during the missing time.
	We've got a photograph, a still photograph, which does not do justice to a moving UFO, but it is on the website at www.artbell.com.
	Go take a look.
	Whitley, is there anything else we should be asking these young ladies?
	Well, I think they've done a very good job of giving us a picture of what was going on there.
	I don't believe there's so much more to the Glen Rock story.
	We could go on all night.
	But I believe that perhaps the place to leave this is with the audio from this videotape, which I can play for you.
	And I'll play just the first part of it and then pause it and speak about it for a moment.
	And then we'll go on to the end, where Marla feels that it is her mother speaking in these last few moments.
	And I think, Marla, if I'm not correct, you think that You have an idea of what she may be saying, although from what we're hearing down here on the tape we have on some pretty good equipment, it's not English.
	So we just have to wait and find out exactly what it is.
	But you did tell me, Mara, I believe, that you think she's saying something at that point.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Just playing it off from my video.
	All right.
	All right.
	Go right ahead.
	Let the listeners listen to that and see what they think.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Okay, we're holding it.
	Yeah, we're...
	I'm going to go ahead and put it on.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, we're just getting it started here.
	Okay, this is a videotape that was taken during a missing time segment that wasn't even discovered until a month later.
	Until a month later.
	Here it goes.
	Okay.
	I wish they would tell us again.
	Perfect, UFO on his head again.
	Okay, Art, I'm going to pause it now.
	Okay, what I heard, it could have been a little louder, but I heard whose voice say it was a perfect UFO, I want to see it again.
	That was Marla.
	That was you, Marla?
	That was my voice, yes.
	Do you remember saying that, Marla?
	You know, we were so excited to see that shape appear, and that's what I wish people could see, the steel, the 35mm photo of it.
	Because that's where you can see the shape, the actual shape.
	Well you get it to me and we'll, if you can get it to me Marla, we'll get it up on the website and we'll see it.
	Do you have any memory of this conversation at all, either of you?
	I remember talking about, I remember laughing because I couldn't believe, I just remember laughing that why did I say that and it did that.
	But I don't ever remember her taking a video camera of it.
	I don't ever remember it.
	No video, but he did get here.
	You would think it was four of us.
	One of us would remember.
	You bet.
	Oh, and the other thing that I can add to that is that I had videotaped the girls volleyball game, put it in the van, and we had gone to the motel, and the four women, we took all of our luggage and coats and paraphernalia and put it all on top.
	And left.
	So where do you suppose the video camera was?
	It would have been under everything.
	Under everything.
	Because it was used at the gym and then we came to the motel and filed everything on.
	So you would have actually... So we weren't even near the video camera.
	...unpacked the car in order to get to the video camera.
	That's... I mean, because we've just racked our brain trying to figure out how we got it on video.
	Okay, full one hour and ten minutes of flat missing time.
	All right, Whitley, play the very last part of this tape, and everybody's going to boost the volume up a little bit.
	Yeah, I've boosted the volume a little bit.
	Okay, everybody's going to have to listen very carefully now.
	Okay, we'll get right up to it.
	All those in yellow on the right, give them a wave.
	That's it.
	Now we're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	Okay.
	We're going to go ahead and get the next one.
	No, that was not clear.
	That was not clear for some reason.
	Okay, I don't know why it wasn't, because it's extremely clear here.
	It's bell clear.
	Were you holding the phone actually to the right place in the speaker?
	Yes.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, for some reason, I heard it earlier today when you played it just fine.
	But for some reason it didn't come out this time.
	I don't know why.
	Let's try it.
	You want to try it one more time?
	Yeah, I do, as a matter of fact.
	Let me boost the volume a little bit more.
	Right.
	Because I'd really like people to hear this.
	All right.
	And it'll just be the tail end of it.
	All right.
	Try this one more time.
	17484.
	you Alright, I heard a voice that time, but it was not decipherable to me.
	Marla, you've heard this and you have the original tape.
	Right.
	Any idea what was at the very end of that?
	It wasn't very audible, obviously, here.
	Right, and to me, from the tape that I have, it sounds like my mom's in there, right there at the end of that.
	The far end.
	Yeah, the far end.
	The far end.
	The far end.
	Okay, what I heard earlier today, It just simply didn't sound like any English words that I recognized.
	Does your mother, Marla, speak any other language?
	Well, no.
	Not that she ever has before.
	My family before I was born lived in Peru, so you know she spoke a little Peruvian with them and uh...
	That made so it Whitley do you recognize that as uh well no we don't
	Don't...
	We're going to really listen to this carefully.
	To be quite frank, it's not coming out as English words right now.
	We'll have to see.
	It ends in a burst of static and then, as you heard a moment ago, there's a lot of noise from a basketball game that she had filmed later.
	I'm sure you overheard that when I was Yes.
	Indeed, that can be done.
	Alright, we'll look forward to that.
	I want to thank Marla and I want to thank Jamie.
	have to do is pull all of the static out of it without removing any parts of the voice
	and I need to do that visually and I have not been able to do that and we can get it
	to the point where we have nothing left at all but the sound of the voice and then we'll
	know what's being said.
	Indeed that can be done.
	Alright we'll look forward to that.
	I want to thank Marla and I want to thank Jamie.
	Thank you both for helping us unwind the story of the strange occurrences in Glen Rock.
	Come on.
	Sure, I enjoyed being on air with you.
	Okay, good night to you both, and Whitley, you know, I think at this point, Whitley, a lot of people, of course, have never really heard your story, and maybe we ought to take this opportunity, if we can, to go back to the communion days, the beginning of all this, and just give people some idea of what happened to you and why You're where you are today with all of this.
	Yes.
	On the night of December 26th, 27th, 1986, I was awakened in the middle of the night by what appeared to be a nightmare that would not go away.
	I woke up finding myself in a small, confined space with what appeared to be two different
	types of being.
	One were short, blue, very stocky figures and the other one was a tall, willowy sort
	of figure with a very long face and big, black, slanted eyes.
	And I went through a considerable amount of terror.
	I mean it was, it was really, remains the most terrifying thing that's ever happened
	to me because my impression was that I was having the mother of all nightmares.
	And then I could not wake up from it.
	I'd opened my eyes and I was sitting up and yet it was still unfolding exactly as if it was happening in real life.
	Which was like being, I guess, I guess it would be like that to be trapped in a psychosis, only this was even more vividly real.
	I began screaming and an electronic voice began repeating the phrase in a sort of soothing,
	feminine but quite machine-like tone, what can we do to help you stop screaming?
	I was shown a needle which was inserted into the side of my head and caused a blue flash
	behind my eyes.
	That wouldn't help me to stop screaming.
	No, no, it wasn't helpful in that direction.
	At some point right after that I blacked out, shortly after that a few other things were
	done and I blacked out.
	And the next thing I remember is waking up in the morning with the feeling that I had
	been beaten up during the night.
	And I felt dreadful.
	Absolutely dreadful.
	I had a thought that there had been an owl flying around in the house and then there had been owls at the window.
	All these ideas about owls.
	Later in the afternoon the side of my head and other parts of my body also began to hurt and my wife could see an injury on the side of my head and I began to remember first in flashes and then more clearly the story that I've just told you and I went to the doctor because I was a couple of days later because I was very very disturbed about this at this point because I had these Extremely bizarre memories.
	No idea at all about UFOs.
	It was not something, uh, aliens.
	It was not something that was in my mind.
	I had been fascinated with them as a child, but not, not in my adult years.
	I told the story to my doctor and he laughingly said, well, you're telling me you were taken aboard a flying saucer by a little man.
	And I thought, Oh God, he's right.
	I am insane.
	And we had neurological tests.
	I did a full neurological workup, including an MRI scan.
	We did a series of tests for a disease called temporal lobe epilepsy that causes vivid hallucinations.
	I did a full set of psychological tests that revealed me to be under a very high level of stress, which is not too surprising.
	But not schizophrenic?
	No.
	No abnormalities were found.
	All right.
	No physical abnormalities, no mental abnormalities.
	And I was finally left in the position of not knowing what had happened.
	I, at that point, had begun reading a book called Science and the UFOs by Jenny Randles.
	It had been given to me by my brother by coincidence, apparent coincidence for Christmas.
	And I saw a description and it was rather similar, it seemed, to what happened to me.
	So I telephoned Bud Hopkins.
	Who was mentioned in the book and got in touch with him and met him and he proved to be very supportive and he was kind enough to help me find a forensic hypnotist because I must admit at the time when I sat in Hopkins' house talking to him and listening to him to tell these stories I thought it was just utter bunk and but my concern was that I had actually been physically attacked and raped and my doctor agreed that without So, I ended up with Dr. Donald Klein, who was the chief, I believe, of the New York State Department of Psychiatry, and a skilled forensic hypnotist who had worked in many criminal cases over his career.
	Hopkins expected it was alien, but Klein and I privately expected that we would find that
	once I was under hypnosis I would be able to see the faces of the people who had done
	this and that all the alien imagery was something that my mind had thrown up as a kind of a
	screen to, because I was having trouble facing the humiliation that was involved.
	After hypnosis, not only was it incredibly vivid, it was clearly alien contact, but I
	flashed back during the second hypnosis session to the year 1957 when a similar event had
	taken place.
	It was just the most shocking couple of weeks when I did these three hypnosis sessions of my life.
	Changed my life.
	Of course.
	And that is why I wrote Communion, having no idea that all of this, what I believe is completely contrived denial, I mean, I just thought people would take my story at face value.
	What specific descriptions did you unravel under hypnosis?
	In other words, what did these beings look like?
	Well, the most vivid one is similar to the cover of communion.
	The cover of communion is a little bit more human looking than what I saw.
	But it's close enough.
	Like, for example, it has lips on the cover of Communion.
	I do not recall seeing any lips.
	And it has a nose, and I may have... There may have... It was more... I'll tell you very frankly, what I saw were the two big black eyes and this long, narrow thing coming down between them.
	And if anything, there may have been something folded up behind it.
	I don't think it was a face, in other words.
	Not like the face on the cover of the book.
	It was something much stranger.
	And it had, the body of this creature had a sense of motion about it that was very liquid and graceful.
	But what was so odd is that during hypnosis I felt really very much like it was someone I knew.
	Like that this was not someone unfamiliar to me.
	And then there was this flashback to where I'm with my father and my sister, and I feel no fear.
	We're in a big room, a big vaulted chamber, and there are cots lying in the chamber.
	And there are fully dressed American soldiers lying on the cots, motionless.
	And this creature is moving among them with a willowy sort of movement, with a little stick that she's touching one or another of their foreheads
	and I ask her who they are and she says they're all soldiers in a sing-song voice and
	then I say to my father who is very frightened I say it's okay and he says no Hootie it's not
	okay and I remember under the hypnosis this appalling fear went through my body like an electric
	bolt like a bolt of lightning and And the doctor, who is really skilled at this kind of thing, knew that people who had had, like, recurring instances of abuse would flash back between these various instances spontaneously without realizing they were doing it.
	So he suddenly had detected a change in my voice and he said, how old are you?
	Little 12-year-old South Texas voice pipes up and says, 12.
	Wow.
	And I heard myself say that, and I was amazed.
	I mean, you're not totally unconscious at all under hypnosis.
	You're very well aware of what's going on, at least I was.
	That's part of my story.
	Okay, at what point did you discover or discern that there had been something planted in your ear?
	Art, this is a tough one to talk about, but I will get into it.
	This occurred, if the implant is real, and I frankly believe it probably is from what happened with it, but we don't have it.
	It's not a smoking gun type of implant like Roger Lear will be talking about, because we don't have it.
	But if this is real, it came into my ear on the night of May the 24th, 1995.
	When the following incident occurs.
	All right.
	We're not going to have time to unwind the incident right now.
	Let me advise you that I've got Dr. Lear on the line.
	So we're going to take a quick break.
	When we come back, we'll unwind that story very quickly.
	Very quickly.
	Regarding your implant.
	And then it's logically proper to go to Dr. Lear at that point.
	Yes.
	So hang tight.
	Dr. Lear and Whitley Streber are my guests coming up.
	And we're going to be discussing implants.
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	My guest is Whitley Strieber.
	And boy, have we got a deal for you tonight.
	Whitley has a tape.
	He's got a videotape.
	The tape is called Pure Balance.
	And I suppose this is something that I would consider a piece of dynamite.
	This tape teaches the meditation technique that Whitley used to improve or even bring on a close encounter.
	That's why I say it's a piece of dynamite, really.
	He says it can help you get into contact or get out of it.
	It can make the experiences you have work for you.
	In some rather incredible ways.
	Whitley, very quickly, this is a kind of a piece of dynamite.
	I mean, in a way, I look at it that way because here's a tape that actually, if they wanted, and I think people should be damn careful what they wish for, could bring on contact.
	Well, it has worked before for that, but I must say that it's really to get in control of it.
	And to explore the situation.
	I made this tape over a year ago and I did not release it because I wanted to be sure that if I spent some time with it, I felt like it was right.
	And this is close to what I did when I began to get my experience into focus as anything I can communicate.
	It also has on it some of the most unusual video that I've ever seen to sort of
	set the scene at the beginning of the tape, some video that's quite unlike anything else
	that's been seen.
	It's stuff that I've worked on myself that I have not yet released.
	So this would be the first time you would...
	This is all unreleased material then?
	It's unreleased in the United States and some of it and altogether unreleased other parts
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	All right.
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	$24.90?
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	You are willing to autograph these tapes?
	Yes, I am going to autograph the boxes of the tapes that are ordered tonight.
	I'm not going to get into the position I've been in before where I have offered autographs, not on your show, on other shows and had three or four thousand to do.
	But if I get that many to do tonight, I'll do them all.
	I promise that every box that is ordered tonight will be Personally, hand autograph.
	How long a turnaround time?
	I wouldn't think very long.
	Two or three weeks, probably.
	Two or three weeks is the most?
	Yeah, I would think so.
	All right.
	Do you have a number they can call?
	Is it a 24-hour number?
	It's a 24-hour, 800 number.
	I believe it's a robot at night, but you can leave your information.
	It's nice and beautifully set up.
	All right.
	It's 800-350-4639.
	It's 800-350-4639.
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	Maybe that's what you should have called it.
	It's called Pure Balance.
	That's the name of the tape.
	it will help.
	It's $24.90.
	The main thing is it will help you get into control of it.
	If you want to experiment with getting into one, it's liable to help also.
	That's why I said Pure Dynamite.
	Maybe that's what you should have called it.
	It's called Pure Balance.
	That's the name of the tape and it's $24.90.
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	First time Whitley has ever done this.
	So there you are, folks.
	Now, Whitley, if you would, quickly, this thing in your ear, tell us.
	Let me tell you this story.
	It's a very simple and strange story.
	The night of May the 24th, 1995, asleep in a cabin in upstate New York, on the second floor, under the windows, is a gravel driveway.
	I was awakened by the sound of crunching of gravel.
	In other words, tires moving in that driveway.
	And we were behind a locked gate.
	We were also about five or six miles from the nearest house, and so it woke me right up, that sound.
	The windows were open.
	It was a nice night, and I was frightened because there should not have been a vehicle out there, and it couldn't be anybody up to anything good.
	I rose up in the bed, and as I began moving, I distinctly heard a human voice in the backyard say, condition red, clearly.
	I then saw Standing in the doorway of the bedroom, which was at the foot of the bed, a woman and a man behind her.
	I could identicate these people easily.
	I saw their faces clearly.
	There was a lot of LEDs from the alarm system, which was on and armed and not going off.
	Right.
	They moved toward me quite quickly, up toward the side of the bed, began to come out of the bed.
	I was aware of something behind them, but I don't know what it It was not another human being, but there was something in motion behind them as well.
	The next thing I knew, I'm lying flat on the bed, my eyes are closed, but I'm totally conscious.
	I can hear someone talking to me, almost like you would talk to a frightened dog, a female voice saying, calm down, calm down, and then nothing until morning.
	I woke up, immediately told my wife the whole story, asked her if she remembered anything during the night.
	She did not.
	The alarm system was still turned on.
	I went to check the house out immediately.
	I went through the house and as soon as I opened the door into the garage, I found that the garage door was wide open, despite the fact that the system was not indicating this.
	I walked out into the garage And my hairs of my body stood on end as if I was in the field of static electricity.
	I started to get into the car.
	In fact, I did get into the car and had backed it all the way out when I realized that this static was inside the car as well.
	I jumped out of the car and went back into the house immediately.
	My wife came out, observed the condition of the car, and we stayed away from it because we did not know what this was.
	We closed the garage, disarmed the system.
	Call the alarm man, the man who ran the system.
	He could not, he came over, he could not figure out how this had happened.
	Everything was in working order.
	The car gradually became normal again.
	That afternoon, my left ear began to hurt.
	I had a lump in the pinot, which is the outer part of my left ear, up toward the back and top.
	About six weeks, I deliberated getting this taken out right away.
	Of course.
	But there was another incident that occurred a few months later.
	A lady named Betty Dagenais had one autopsied after she died, and I read that she had been afraid that this would kill her to have it removed.
	So I didn't do anything about it, and I felt very helpless up there anyway.
	There was nothing but the local doctors.
	I didn't know Roger Lear at the time.
	So I didn't see what I could do about it.
	So for years, you did nothing?
	Well, the next thing that happened was we moved down to San Antonio, and at this point, this thing had turned on a few times.
	In other words, the ear would get red and hot, and there would be a warbling sound or a series of tones in my ear.
	It was quite remarkable.
	But what was so extraordinary, I became involved with scientists here who were very interested in implants.
	I found a much more open-minded attitude in San Antonio and they were, by this time, I was aware of what Roger was doing and his extraordinary, and by the way, he is the pioneer in this field, work.
	And I was actually talking to one of these scientists about this, about the way the ear
	worked when it did do this.
	It turned on, turned bright red, before his eyes.
	And he said, let's not take it out.
	Let's try to study this thing if we can get it to turn on again.
	Right.
	We were never able to do that on any kind of a regular basis under controlled conditions.
	It didn't turn on on demand.
	No.
	And then finally, I got, frankly, I just got very creepy about it.
	I'm still am.
	And a few weeks ago, I attempted to have a surgery done here in San Antonio.
	He went to a doctor and he... Go ahead and tell them.
	Well, he knew who I was, and he probably knew.
	He's a great doctor, great guy, a really, really good guy.
	He probably knew what he was taking out, but we didn't talk about it directly.
	It was just a foreign object, as far as the diagnosis went, that became irritated when I laid on it at night and woke me up when I was sleeping.
	He examined this.
	He x-rayed it.
	It did not show up on x-ray, which is not unusual at all in this type of thing.
	But he palpated it and identified its position, determined that it was fixed by examination, sat me in the surgical chair and made an incision.
	And began dissecting around the object when the object moved down into another area of my ear.
	Not far away, but far enough away to where it was out from under the incision.
	This thing moved?
	It moved, yeah, absolutely.
	And it had not been, it had been fixed in position.
	And he managed after some struggle to get what he believed to be a small part of it.
	Which, upon examination in the, not in a pathology lab, but in the laboratory that was specially working on this and is working on implants with me, they observed that it was made of what appeared to be distressed collagen, and it contained a number of discrete mineral crystals, probably calcium carbonate or potassium carbonate of some kind.
	There are two diseases that could create crystals in the skin.
	One is gout.
	These are not uric acid crystals.
	The other is a disease called pseudogout, which creates a substance called potassium pyrocarbonate.
	It's not potassium pyrocarbonate.
	And also, pseudogout occurs in joints.
	It's not observed in the peanut of the ear.
	So it's a very mysterious business, this object.
	We don't know... And it's still there.
	It's still there.
	Not only is it there, the doctor just examined it again the other evening and he said it's bigger.
	It's back where it was in the first place.
	It's just as fixed and it's somewhat larger.
	So it moved back and it's grown.
	And you can't move it around at all.
	It is fixed there again just as it was before the surgery.
	Alright, so now everybody's up to date on your implant.
	Alright, in a moment we're going to bring on Dr. Roger Lear, who is probably the pioneer implant surgeon in this country.
	And we're going to talk to him about implants.
	But again, quite an offer from Whitley.
	I would say quite an offer.
	I call his tape pure dynamite.
	He calls it pure balance.
	It teaches you actually how to get into contact with, if you really want that, and again I warn people, be careful what you wish for, these beings, or to get out of it.
	Apparently to go either way.
	24 bucks and 90 cents, that includes shipping and handling, and he'll autograph it.
	Whitley Strieber will autograph it for you.
	You can order it now, only through this program, and only now at 1-800-350-4639.
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	Autograph stuff is fun to have.
	At any rate, in a moment, Dr. Lear.
	All right, once again, Whitley Strieber, and here comes Dr. Roger Lear.
	04639. Autograph stuff is fun to have. At any rate, in a moment, Dr. Lear.
	All right, once again, Whitley Strieber, and here comes Dr.
	Roger Lear.
	Doctor, are you there?
	Yes, I am, Art.
	Welcome to the program, Doctor.
	What kind of doctor?
	You're a surgeon, I take it?
	Yes, I'm a podiatric surgeon.
	That means that my specialty is foot surgery.
	Is what kind?
	Foot surgery.
	Surgery of the foot.
	Oh, the foot?
	Okay.
	Doctor, how did you get involved in the whole area of the implants?
	Well, my history probably goes way back to that famous day of July the 4th, 1947.
	1947. I lived in Northern California and I have just a very vivid recollection of my
	father coming into our kitchen and setting down the newspaper with the headline, a very
	famous headline about the Roswell craft, U.S. Army Air Force captures flying disk. And he
	made a big to do about it to my mother and I for whatever the reason was just overwhelmed
	by this. But he went on with a long discussion of how he was telling everybody that we were
	not alone in the universe and not anybody could think we were.
	It was impossible to believe and so on.
	Well, I agree with that today.
	So he left an impression on me that lasted for many, many years.
	And then I've always been interested in astronomy and I have a pilot's license.
	I do fly.
	I have a cousin who went into psychology and then became a professor at the University
	of Connecticut and lo and behold he went into a very unusual field which is a near death
	experience.
	His name is Dr. Kenneth Ring.
	Oh yes, I know the name.
	My first cousin.
	Dr. Ring has been in our cabin in upstate New York and one of his books, The Omega Project,
	was the first one that I believe studied the close encounter witnesses in comparison to
	other people like near death experiencers.
	He's also a remarkable scientist in this field.
	There are a lot of people, of course, who believe in the NDEs or near-death experiences.
	And a lot of ufology is mixed together and I think I may be one of those people.
	I haven't made up my mind about that yet.
	But doctor, somebody at some point, I mean here you are at a regular practice, even though you had that earlier experience, must have approached you about an implant.
	Well, it turned out that I was covering a UFO conference in the capacity of an investigative reporter for a MUFON periodical called The Vortex.
	Uh-huh.
	And at that conference, I met a very world-famous 27-year researcher in the abduction phenomenon by the name of Daryl Sims.
	Oh, yes.
	I guess you all know Darryl as he's probably been on your program before.
	Yes.
	So Darryl showed me some x-rays which happened to be his feet.
	And that was kind of interesting because that should be my specialty.
	And then these x-rays were two demonstrable, what appeared to be metallic foreign bodies.
	He asked me my opinion and I looked at them and said, well, when did the patient have her foot surgery?
	Because to me, they were not very remarkable.
	They appeared possibly as common, ordinary surgical fixation devices that we use in the foot.
	So his reply was, well, the patient has never had a surgery.
	And I had my doubts whether that was true.
	And he said to me, if you'd like to review the patient's medical records, here I have them.
	With that, he reached into this giant suitcase that he carries around with him and hands me a large package of medical material.
	He said, take this to your room and look at it.
	So I did.
	And fairly well convinced me that there was at least nothing there to show that this patient never had a surgery.
	So the next day I gave him back the records and I just, sort of a casual remark, I said, well, why don't you have them taken out, see what they are, and that'll just simply clear up the mystery.
	Sure.
	So he looked at me and he said, well, the patient would be more than willing to do that, but she doesn't have any medical insurance and she can't afford the surgery.
	Well, I thought for a minute and I said, well, I'll tell you what, would she be willing to come to California?
	He had explained that she was in Texas.
	And he said, yes, I think she would.
	And I said, well, if she would come to California, I'll be happy to do the surgery without charge.
	And he looked at me and he says, do you really mean that?
	And I said, well, yes, I do.
	So he invited me to attend one of his lectures that I did and at that point he had asked for a volunteer to pick up the tab for airfare.
	By the time the lecture was finished there was a volunteer and the airfare was going to be taken care of.
	We talked on the phone over the next few weeks.
	And he asked me if I could do another case, which was... Well, let me stomp you, Doctor, and ask you, was there a history involved with this Texas patient that would indicate possibly an abduction or something?
	Yes, very definitely.
	that related to what might have been in this patient's foot that made it interesting beyond the fact that the patient
	might have stepped on something or something at some point?
	Yes, very definitely.
	Bill had investigated over 250 cases and this was one of the more interesting ones
	with a possible implant of the body.
	She had several abduction experiences which she related and I have written these up and of course they will be in my book should it ever get finished.
	I have one more chapter to go.
	You know how that feels, right?
	I do, indeed.
	It's like giving birth, actually.
	Yes, it is.
	All right.
	Doctor, this is a great cliffhanger.
	Whitley and Dr. Lear, hold on.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	We're going to break here.
	And when we come back, we'll find out exactly what, I guess we'll find out, what was in that foot.
	And we'll find out more about implants.
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	Back now to Whitley Strieber and Dr. Lear.
	Gentlemen, you're both back on the air, and here we have this person from Texas with something in their foot.
	You were going to do the surgery pro bono.
	Somebody else sprung for the tickets to get the person there.
	The person came, doctor, and what happened?
	Well, within the next two weeks following this agreement, Daryl had called me and asked me if I could do an additional case.
	And this he described to me on the phone as someone with an apparent metallic foreign body in the hand.
	Well, since the hands are not my specialty, I told him that I could possibly set up a surgical team and elicit the services of a general surgeon friend of mine.
	Sure.
	So, to make a long story short, on August the 16th of 1995, we did these first two cases.
	One female with two foreign bodies in the great toe of the left foot.
	One male patient with a metallic foreign body in the back of the left hand.
	Everything from that point on was, to me, nothing but a surprise because Grounded with a scientific background, I began as a consummate skeptic.
	I've taken, in 33 years, numerous things certainly out of the foot, as you know, people step on all sorts of things.
	I've taken out hair, plastic, metallic bodies, glass, coral, all sorts of things.
	I can imagine.
	The foot is a real sort of a garbage can for puncture wounds and torn bodies.
	So from the get-go, as I said, these surgeries were a little different.
	Now on the first case, which was the foot case, Darrell is a certified hypno-anesthesiologist.
	So he put the person out with hypno-anesthesia and then I came in with two local anesthetics Anesthetize the toe area.
	In other words, this lady was zonked.
	Yes.
	She was fairly well out.
	We began the surgery and using x-rays as a marker, I tried to locate this foreign body.
	Well, when you do this, even after years of experience, literally what you're looking for is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
	If you have modern, you know, super expensive equipment such as floor scans and ellipsis scopes, you can visualize this on a television screen and the job's a lot easier.
	But we didn't have the funds for all this stuff.
	In other words, you weren't seeing it three-dimensionally?
	No.
	Okay.
	We were using an x-ray as a guide that I took just right before the surgery began because you want to make sure that they don't move.
	Lots of foreign objects won't move.
	So we got to the point where we felt we were near and I touched it with an instrument.
	And at that point I got my first surprise because the patient, violently objected, came out of the hypnoanesthesia and just kicked her foot off the table.
	We had to re-stabilize the patient again.
	Darryl put her back down and I instilled more anesthetic.
	Believe me, I've never seen anything quite that violent.
	Sometimes if you're using a local alone and you tug on a nerve truck, you know, the patient will say, ouch, or something.
	You know, put in a little more anesthetic and go about the job.
	But this was a violent, violent objection.
	And she objected this way also when finally the object was visualized, clamped, and removed from the incision.
	Now, what this first one looked like, Art, was a triangle, or a T, depending on the eye of the beholder.
	And it was about a half a centimeter in each direction.
	There's 2.54 centimeters an inch, so you can get some size.
	And it was covered with a very dark, gray, glistening Membrane, a well-organized piece of tissue.
	Now, this is not the kind of thing that people are going to say, well, my gosh, something that's in the body is going to get covered with a fibrous layer of stuff.
	This wasn't that.
	This was a well-organized tissue membrane.
	Pretty anxious at this point to see what was inside.
	Of course.
	So we used a sharp surgical blade, and second surprise, we couldn't cut through the membrane.
	Wow.
	These surgical blades, they're pretty sharp, Art.
	You can whittle a bone with one, either on purpose or sometimes inadvertently.
	Sure.
	But when you can't cut through something which is definitively soft tissue, that's a bit of a shock.
	So, for the sake of good medical and surgical practice, we set the object aside and closed the wound and then went on to the other side of the toe to go after the other object.
	Yes.
	When we got to that one, which was smaller than the T-shaped object, we touched it, we had the same violent objection again, instilled more anesthetic, removed it, And found that it was a small cantaloupe seed shaped object.
	Also covered with this same strange grey glistening dark membrane.
	And again we took a surgical scalpel tried to open it because we wanted to see what was inside and couldn't cut through it.
	Well that was pretty high strangeness.
	High strangeness indeed.
	So again, for the sake of good medical practice, we four ago, that sort of business, closed up the wound, sent the patient to the recovery room under the care of the Ph.D.
	psychologist to examine these people preoperatively and postoperatively.
	Now you've got to remember that I had searched the literature A great deal, before I ever took on anything like this, to see if there was anything recorded that was peculiar.
	And we couldn't find much.
	So I was doing some, what I thought, pioneering work, and I really didn't expect to find anything unusual.
	As I said, I was a skeptic.
	So this first case was an illustration of something that was down the road.
	Anyway, I've got to ask, what did you do with, obviously, you couldn't go through this, so you must have pursued, later, in some way, trying to get into this object.
	Oh, absolutely.
	The tissue, we removed two sections of soft tissue, I want to make this perfectly clear.
	We removed tissue that surrounded this object, which was eventually sent in for analysis.
	And then we placed the objects themselves in what I consider to be a safe transport media.
	Because some of the things that I have read in the literature, and I'm sure Whitley will attest to this, some people have tried these things to remove things.
	I read all kinds of things like they evaporated, they turned to powder.
	So I wanted to make sure I put these in something that would at least ensure that they would be around.
	So what I did was I had my surgical nurse withdraw a whole blood and then we spun it down and mixed it with an anticoagulant, a preservative, and we had some serum solution.
	And that's what we use to transport the objects.
	Okay.
	So before I tell you how we got into this, let me tell you about the hand case.
	Alright.
	So we switched, we went ahead, the general surgeon went through the same thing, did the hand again, he had a violent objection to the object being touched.
	We removed this thing, Art, and that was probably one of the most biggest surprises of all because What we removed was another small little cantaloupe seed shaped object covered with a dark grey glistening membrane.
	Oh my.
	So you can say well, one individual, let's take one individual with some peculiar type of physiology, some peculiar type of pathology.
	But now it's two different individuals.
	Both with abduction backgrounds.
	Both with abduction backgrounds and both with objects in them which are almost identical.
	In fact, they are so identical that when placed on a surgical sponge, you can literally not tell one from the other.
	Now, we put them in Solution and they go back to Texas with Daryl.
	He, in the presence of a chemist and another analyst, takes the objects out and subjects them to black ultraviolet light.
	There's a reason for this.
	But he found that they, all three objects, fluoresced a brilliant green.
	Some of this brilliant green fluorescence has been found on certain areas of the bodies of abductees.
	So, why were they on these objects?
	We do not know.
	And we believe that they're certainly more than a coincidence.
	There are too many coincidences.
	So, what else they found was if they were, objects were dried, if they were left out, dried out of solution, the membrane became brittle.
	And they were able to scrape, literally scrape the membrane off of the A metallic object that was within.
	He sent that back to me and I sent that out for analysis.
	Doctor, how could something that when wet resist a surgical knife and then dry become so brittle you could just scrape it away?
	Are you aware of any sort of chemical substance that could exhibit that?
	Well, I told you how long I've been working in this field.
	Exactly.
	And the first time you come up with anything like this, the first thing you do is you begin to doubt your own veracity.
	You know, what did I miss?
	Maybe there's something new.
	Maybe the body's doing something that I don't know about.
	So I spent a long time sitting at the screen and getting on the Met, going in the Harvard Medical School library and some of these others.
	It was a good education because I realized that the cost of these things are not cheap.
	They charge you for every little library book you open in one of these medical libraries.
	But the upshot was that I found out that since I had gotten out of school It didn't look like the body changed anyway at all.
	And there wasn't anything in Robin's pathology, which is the Bible of pathology, there just wasn't anything that had anything like this or could explain it.
	So you have to start asking questions of those people who are in biochemistry and people that are researchers in biopathology as to what kind of tissue.
	When I get in, in a moment, I'll tell you what this thing was made of and maybe that will help to answer the question.
	Alright.
	Dill had told me that the soft tissue that surrounded the object would come back with indicating no inflammatory response and that there would be a lot of atypical nerve cells in the area.
	And all I could do was chuckle because You know, how do you get something in the body and not have an inflammatory reaction?
	I don't know.
	I'm not a doctor.
	And atypical nerve cells, what do you mean?
	Nerve cells that don't belong in that particular place.
	You know, we have, for example, nerve proprioceptors, which are at the ends of your fingers.
	They're for, like, fine touch.
	Right.
	Pressure for sensitivity of temperature.
	That's why if you put your finger on a hot stove, it's dripped away before you fry the finger.
	Sure.
	So that's what these things are for.
	So when we finally got the pathology report back on this tissue that surrounded these objects, they were loaded with nerve probe receptors.
	So I said to myself, well, wait a minute, you know, I mean, Daryl's a nice guy, but he's not a psychic.
	How could he ever know such a thing?
	And the other thing was that every That piece of tissue that I sent out came back with no inflammatory response.
	You cannot clip something or get something inside the human body without having the body react to it.
	It's a physical impossibility.
	Except for these.
	Except for this.
	Now, you said these had particular atypical nerve cells around them.
	Would that account for the extra sensitivity when you tried to probe them, when you tried to touch them?
	What else?
	What could it possibly be?
	It has to be.
	It's the only explanation.
	You're fooling around in an area of high-density nerve cells.
	Most people believe that we have cells or sensory organs for pain, but we don't.
	Any sensory nerve under the right chemical and hormonal conditions can conduct pain.
	So if you want to, you know, get a train from point A to point B, and you own the car, you can rent anybody's tracks.
	And that's the way the body works, because we have two nervous systems, one the voluntary and the other the involuntary nervous system.
	And the involuntary nervous system uses the same tracks as the voluntary nervous system.
	All right, doctor.
	Hold it right there.
	My guests, Whitley Streber and Dr. Roger Lear, and we're talking about implants.
	We can barely put biological materials in our own bodies without having some sort of reaction.
	I've witnessed the people who receive hearts and lungs and various body parts and have to take all kinds of drugs to prevent rejection.
	Fascinating.
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	And Dr. Lear, I'm not a doctor.
	I'm not a physician.
	I was a medic in the Air Force, but I know this.
	I know that our biological beings have a hard enough time accepting other biological pieces and parts, hearts, lungs, things that are transplanted that require Tremendous drugs to prevent the body from rejecting them.
	And so as you point out, these objects, whatever the hell they were, were not inflaming the area at all, which seems utterly impossible and can only be accounted for, I would think, by this fibrous whatever it was that was around it, this mysterious fibrous stuff.
	Would that be your impression?
	Well, Art, you say that you're not a physician, but you certainly are a skilled student observer, because that's most likely the cause.
	Now, when we were able to get this analysis, initial analysis done on the membrane, I was stunned again to find out what it was composed of.
	If this is it, if this is the thing, That prevents the body from reacting to foreign objects.
	I mean, that's quite an interesting thing.
	It's only composed of three biological substances.
	One is called a protein coagulum, and if you would just picture a bowl of Jell-O.
	Just plain, ordinary Jell-O.
	And then we'll add a few little things to it, like some dark brown granules.
	And these granules are what we call a hemocytrin.
	Hemosiderin is a cousin to hemoglobin, which we find in the red cells.
	It's an iron compound, and it's oxygen-binding.
	So we have our bowl of Jell-O now.
	We've added a few brown granules, and then we're going to add some striations to it, some material which is going to hold this thing together.
	It looks maybe like strands of coconut in our Jell-O.
	And you won't guess what this is, but it's keratin, which is the outermost substance of our skin.
	And that's it.
	That's in totality.
	That is this membrane.
	Now, where in the world, in what pathology textbook has anyone ever described anything like this?
	And believe me, I've looked.
	If there's somebody out there that knows where in a pathology book This might be found.
	I would certainly wish that they would get in touch with me and those that have been working on this and steer us in that direction.
	Doctor, I would think that surgeons, for example, who put in artificial heart valves and that sort of thing would be intensely interested in the sort of That mixture you just described, wouldn't you?
	Not only surgeons, Art, but we've had some very large drug companies that are interested in taking a good hard look at this.
	If this membrane could be duplicated, just as you're saying, you could wrap anything in it and stick it inside the body, there would be no reason to have some individuals on immunosuppressive agents in murine and cyclosporine.
	The numbers of others that are quite deleterious to the body.
	There is a price that you do pay for having an organ transplant.
	Yes.
	If this can be eliminated, it would be a tremendous discovery for mankind.
	Well, I would think also, I mean, people have artificial hips put in, artificial all sorts of things, foreign objects in their body that would be received much more lovingly biologically with this on them.
	Oh, sure!
	I mean, it just would be fantastic!
	Now, let's take a look at, you know, where would the keratin come from?
	You know, and I've had numerous discussions with pathologists, you know, trying to give me a clue of, well, you know, when you open the skin, you drag some keratin, and, well, it doesn't become combined in a membrane, you know?
	It's impossible.
	So, there hasn't been a logical explanation.
	But, one of the, and Whitley will I'm sure attest to this too, one of the most common marks found on an abduction victim is what we have termed a scoop mark.
	A scoop mark, right.
	Absolutely, that's correct.
	And this scoop mark looks like you just took a little tiny spoon and you scooped something superficially out of the skin and it leaves a depression.
	Now I've seen these when they were relatively new.
	And when they're relatively new, they have a very shiny base that looks moist.
	But if you go to touch it with your finger, it's as dry as a bone.
	When they heal, when they heal, they do not heal with a scab.
	Everything just kind of goes back to normal and there you are with this little scoop mark in the skin.
	Jumping ahead a bit.
	I think the light bulb just went on.
	Let me guess.
	I'm just going to guess.
	Could it be that they are taking that little scoop to be part of the mixture that they put together to coat their implant with?
	I think you're right on.
	And when I give you this other little part of the puzzle, you'll have... I'm ready for this.
	This is amazing.
	You'll be amazed.
	To date, we've done seven cases.
	And in two of the cases that we did, we chose individuals who had something on the skin.
	A scoop mark.
	And adjacent to this, or below it, was a little round grayish white ball.
	Now, I sent the material out and had analysis done of the soft tissue, including the scoop mark, and I went to several different laboratories.
	Uh, all the tests are, uh, blinded.
	No one knows what they're getting or what it is.
	I just say tissue adjacent to foreign body.
	Yes, sir.
	And they send me a report based on that.
	Well, all of these pieces of material, in other words, uh, two cases, you know, sent out three times.
	There's a lot of different specimens.
	Every single one came back with a diagnosis of solar elastosis.
	Now, that sounds like a pretty long technical medical term, but to boil it down, it's very simple.
	It just means that the dermis, or the deep layer of the skin, has been exposed to a huge amount of ultraviolet.
	UV.
	Now, can you take what you just said before and think this through?
	Suppose that there was available a small little instrument That would put out ultraviolet.
	And that little instrument could scoop keratin out of the skin and at the same time seal it with the ultraviolet.
	As in cauterizing a wound or something like that?
	As in cauterizing, but not to the point where you make a char.
	Because if you make a char like with a laser, If you have a carbonized edge, you're going to heal by the ordinary means.
	But if you seal it, you see, if you emulsify it, if you seal it with black ultraviolet light, then you're creating a phenomena which has never been used.
	Now I flash back to Whitley's talking about this being with this wand.
	Yes, that's right.
	That bond is something that I've not only experienced, but many people have written me about.
	I might add, by the way, that as soon as Roger told me about this solar elastosis finding, I was on the phone to the lab I've been working with here, and as I told him I would be, they are now searching for anything regarding the use of ultraviolet light or ultraviolet lasers in surgical applications both in veterinary and in human medicine.
	No one could think of anything like this in human medicine and there's just an off chance there might be something in veterinary medicine but we don't think so.
	But I think what you're looking at here is the outcome of a completely unknown and unexplored surgical technique And maybe even something that we weren't thinking about looking for until we saw this phenomenon, and now maybe we can start looking at ultraviolet light in a new way, just like the chemical companies are starting to look at these membranes.
	You know, I have to tell you that I think that we're talking to an incredible man, Art, that he has done this, and Daryl Sims together have done this.
	I'm not clear on who Darryl Sims, what his relationship is with Roger.
	Okay, well let me, I'll let Roger talk about that also, but Sims is a fascinating individual.
	He is a 27 years as a UFO researcher.
	He lives in Houston and he has basically been collecting implants and people with him in them for a long time and had never been able to find anyone really willing and open-minded enough to do this surgery
	because you know most doctors are they're you know they're good scientists but they don't
	have the vast amount of of of knowledge that you see just flowing out of roger's mouth okay so i now see
	the connection dr dr leer i have a question for you a surgeon and there are thousands of them
	across the country uh who would remove something like this from somebody without the background of
	knowledge of the abduction What would they likely do?
	Would they just send this thing off to pathology?
	Would they simply throw it away?
	What would be the disposition probably in a simple outpatient surgical procedure?
	That's a very good question, Art, and I'm glad you brought that up because it's the same thing that I did basically for 27 or 28, 29 years before I ever got into this.
	You take something out and you have the welfare of the patient at heart.
	Of course.
	So your main concern is to get this thing sent into a laboratory and your interest is basically two things.
	Is it going to cause any damage to the patient and is it benign or is it malignant and is it out?
	Right.
	And then if it comes back, the way it comes back, we don't care what happens to it.
	It's gone.
	Throw it away.
	So you can just imagine, across the land, across the world, how many things have been thrown away of interest.
	And I may be guilty.
	In other words, it's anomalous.
	It's something anomalous.
	But from the physician's point of view, or the surgeon's, it's benign.
	And so it was some anomalous material.
	They don't care.
	It's benign.
	Thank God it's not cancer.
	And you're done.
	That's it.
	It didn't belong there.
	I took it out.
	No more pain.
	Goodbye.
	Remarkable.
	Absolutely remarkable.
	And you have done in your career I'm good to have a dozen of these now.
	Well, we've done seven cases so far.
	Now, I want to go back to your original question about Daryl.
	Daryl and I have formed a partnership and we want to pursue this investigation.
	Because of our relationship, we realized some time ago that you can't do this kind of stuff without funds.
	Basically we're supporting this out of our pockets and I'm not a rich fella and neither is he.
	So we formed an organization which is non-profit called the Fund for Interactive Research in Space Technology or the acronym is FIRST.
	And FIRST went ahead and tried to raise some funds from various sources and Get some backdoor stuff done and I'm sure you, amongst anybody, will realize that backdoor stuff just doesn't cut it.
	Right.
	You can't get the interest of the scientific community and people owe you favors and they do you favors and they're well-meaning and nice, but you're never going to get an article in a scientific journal.
	When you discuss this with your colleagues, what sort of general reaction do you get, Doctor?
	Well, I thought that, you know, at first I was reticent to even let anybody know what I was doing.
	I appeared on various television programs as Dr. X and Dr. Sam and Dr. This and Dr. That, but finally I sort of came out of the closet.
	I was very surprised that nobody made any comments.
	When you do this, you need a lot of consulting people, because in my specialty, you may need somebody that's a neurosurgeon, somebody that may claim to have something in the head, or you may want to look at a chest cavity, or even GU problems that occur.
	So I've had to ask colleagues, but let me tell you this, across the board, I really haven't had anybody that's ever snickered They're all extremely interested.
	And that, to me, was a very, very big surprise.
	I'm finding that, too, in the scientific community here in Texas.
	People are very interested in that.
	Now that they're beginning to get their hands on material objects to work with... Hard evidence.
	Hard evidence.
	There's really not a lot of resistance to that at all.
	I mean, if there's anybody who wishes there was, they're going to have a...
	A big surprise because the average scientist that I talk to is fascinated and eager to work on this.
	So you might say we've gotten ourselves into the physical evidence business.
	That's right.
	And because we're using, you know, we're really trying to marry hard science to a field that they have never really looked at before.
	And because of our relationship with the Bigelow Group, we did get funding from Bob Bigelow, and we were able to use laboratories like Los Alamos, New Mexico Tech, University of California, and a number of world-renowned laboratories.
	Because of this, we have gained the favor and trust of a lot of individuals who have materials That they would not relinquish to anybody else.
	They have turned them in to us for analysis.
	We keep their identities strictly secret, and the results of whatever we find is only released back to the person.
	If they want to release it to the rest of the world, and they do not have fears, we do that.
	One of the things, just among many I want to mention, is that we have a piece of glass That as it came out of a window and embedded into this glass is a impression of two little hands and an arm.
	And this was taken from the bedroom of an abductee.
	Oh, my.
	Doctor, very quickly, because we're short on time this hour, is there a way people who think they have implants can contact you?
	Yes, sir.
	How?
	They can get me on my email, which is RKLeer, L-E-I-R, first.
	That's 1st at AOL.com.
	Okay, that's R-K-L-E-I-R.
	First, the number one, S-T.
	That's correct.
	At AOL.com.
	Or they can call me at 805-495-2613.
	Give that number again, please.
	Give that number again, please.
	Well, this has been absolutely remarkable.
	Doctor, thank you for being with us this morning, and I'm going to have you back on if we can do that.
	Oh, that would be wonderful, Art, and just take two seconds if people want to... Doctor, we're way out of time.
	Okay, Art.
	Thank you and good night.
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	It is, and what a fascinating time with Dr. Roger Lear.
	I would like to add that Dr. Lear is apparently going to make an appearance on Hard Copy This Tuesday, CBS at 7.30pm, or depending on where you are in the nation, check your guides.
	At any rate, hard copy.
	This coming Tuesday, if you would like to see Dr. Roger Lear.
	What an hour that was, huh?
	Whitley Streber back with us in a moment.
	Now you know considerably more about implants than you did before, I should say.
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	Thanksgiving.
	You can order now while you're thinking about it, you know, otherwise you forget it.
	The number is 1-800-562-6438.
	1-800-562-6438.
	Well, of all the offers that I have ever heard a guest make on this program, I have never... This really is a first in all the years that I've been doing this program.
	that I have ever heard a guest make on this program.
	I have never, this really is a first in all the years that I've been doing this program.
	Nobody has ever offered a product or tape that actually would allow you,
	if you have the cojones for it, to have a close encounter.
	A Whitley's tape, which has never touched the public hands before, does that.
	Actually, it does two things.
	It's called pure balance.
	And it will either put you in a condition where you will be subject to or will be able to have a close encounter.
	Or if you have one and you don't want it anymore, to get out of it.
	It's called Pure Balance.
	It's a videotape.
	It'll be autographed personally.
	Each box is going to be autographed personally.
	Whitley is about to find out what it's like to autograph a gazillion tapes.
	And that's, I would say, quite a catch.
	I've never heard this offered before, ever.
	And I've talked to a lot of people.
	It's $24.90, and it's a good 24-hour number you can call.
	I'm going to give you the number now, but if you don't want to deal with a machine, you can call during the day, in order, and talk to a human being.
	About two weeks for delivery, because he'll be signing his little hand away.
	The number to call right now, or later today, But remember, this has not been offered before.
	It's offered now on my program.
	You're not going to hear it again.
	It's 1-800-350-4639.
	1-800-350-4639.
	You can either try an hour later today.
	Now, back to Whitley Streber.
	Whitley, what an hour that was.
	What an amazing hour.
	1-800-350-4639.
	You may have a try an hour later today.
	Now back to Whitley Streber.
	Whitley, what an hour that was.
	What an amazing hour.
	Yaha, he is an example of a real scientist who is finally taking an interest in this
	subject and coming up with hard evidence.
	It is hard to deny this.
	To those who, like me, are out there who think they may have implants in their bodies, I have been living with this thing, consciously living with it, for ten years.
	More than that now, since 1986.
	Get good and close to the phone for me.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	There you go.
	Since 1986, and I have, I've come through it, and what worries me about the whole implant issue is that it's a very frightening thing to think that you may have something like this in your body, or in some cases I know people whose kids have them in their bodies.
	And yet, at the same time, we're all surviving.
	People are developing different ways of coping with this.
	And part of this whole experience is realizing, first, that we're not maybe completely in control of things as we thought we were.
	We're not in the driver's seat around here nearly as much as we thought.
	But part of it is realizing that we can get back into that situation.
	You can gain a lot of control over your relationship with the visitors.
	It's amazing.
	It's possible to do.
	But I worry about people panicking over this.
	I don't want that to happen.
	The work Lear is doing is really solid.
	He's ending the argument about whether or not something strange is happening to people and going into their bodies because it's true, it is.
	I was present at three of the surgeries that he did and I found it to be so emotionally moving I actually had to leave during part of it because it was overwhelming to me.
	It was overwhelming to my wife Anne as well because for her, she's never had many experiences She's a very practical down-to-earth person.
	To see these objects coming out of people we knew was incredible.
	What an extraordinary experience.
	Yes.
	Then I started working, trying to have an implant removal program.
	We were all set to go.
	We had, if you can believe it, in the two or three days, I put this on my website, there were 125 emails from people with strong evidence of implants in their bodies.
	And then the funding fell through at the last minute.
	And we'll do it again.
	I mean, I'm going to get the funding and we'll do the program.
	But I just want listeners to know that there are an awful lot of people out here who are surviving with these in their bodies and living perfectly normal and good lives.
	Me included.
	Yeah, you included.
	You have not had a profound effect on your life, so I guess if that's normal, it's normal.
	Well, it's something I would like to be in control of.
	I would like to know exactly what these things are doing, and if they can be gotten out.
	I want to be able to make an intelligent choice about that, too.
	It's people like Lear who are going to help us do this.
	Indeed.
	All right.
	Let's switch gears a little bit.
	It looks like we will have the time.
	There is, Whitley, there has been something going on in Mexico now for years, literally, I think years, that is just almost indisputable.
	There have been so many UFOs, so many anomalous objects in Mexico.
	We have reports from reliable sources that airliners have collided with the damn things.
	That's right.
	There has been damage documented to airliners.
	The pilots down there don't have the same fear, apparently, that our pilots do here, nor do the air controllers there.
	And the reports coming from Mexico are just unbelievable.
	And I know you've done something on this.
	What do you know?
	Oh, yes.
	Well, I've been working on this for a few years, since I I met Jaime Masson who is the Mexican newscaster who first became involved in this back in 1991 when they had an eclipse there and there were some very unusual objects videotaped during the eclipse by people who were watching the eclipse.
	In the U.S.
	these were said to be images of the planet Venus.
	It turned out, however, that Venus was not in the same area of the sky as the sun.
	And one researcher, one or two researchers, even went so far as to say that you could make video of Venus that looked just like the objects that they had videoed down there.
	So I went out to do this, because I was eager to disprove this video, if I could, as I am with every piece of evidence I get.
	And it turned out that the images of Venus that you take with a video camera are nothing like the objects that were filmed down there.
	That was just the 1991 episode.
	You know, I've thought for a long time that the reason we don't see a lot of anomalous objects in the sky, even at night, is because we don't look Now, during an eclipse, everybody looks up.
	Everybody's looking up!
	And there was this huge response.
	Everybody was looking up.
	Jaime was on television.
	They have programs there that go on until interest dies down, call-in television programs.
	Right.
	And this was a program that normally ended at 2 o'clock in the morning, I believe it was.
	Everybody in Mexico became so exhausted trying to get through to the program they gave up and it ended.
	There was that much interest.
	And the result, I think there was a response because subsequently, since then, Mexico has had the most extraordinary series of UFO encounters and films and videos ever made.
	Some of the material is available Here in the United States, in a couple of videos distributed by Britt and Lee Elders, called Masters, I believe, of the Stars.
	But much of it still has not been seen.
	We have remarkable pieces of video.
	One is a video of an apparent alien, which is as close to being authentic as anything we have.
	It's a remarkable little piece of video taken by a woman at night who came home to find this Strange glowing in the backyard.
	Now what makes it so incredible is that the night before, there had been a UFO hanging over the town of Menipec where this video was made.
	And it had been observed on the Mexico City tower radar, as well as observed from the town of Tula nearby, visually by air traffic controllers.
	And like you say, Unlikely.
	And they told Jaime Mazan all about it.
	So, Jaime Mazan, for those who don't know, did the equivalent of 60 Minutes.
	In fact, it was called that, I think, in Mexico.
	That's right.
	For years and years.
	So he was a Class A anchor.
	Absolutely.
	The Mike Wallace of Mexico.
	Sure.
	And he still is.
	Jaime and I are together fairly frequently.
	When he comes up to San Antonio, when we go out to the 830 Mexicana flight back to Mexico City to take him to the plane, everybody on the flight immediately recognizes him.
	He's a superstar in Mexico.
	In any case, here's what happened after the UFO was observed over Metapec.
	The next night the lady took this video of this strange thing.
	The next day they found that a cornfield where the creature had been moving toward was all
	trampled down.
	Now, incredibly, over the next few weeks, the tower kept reporting to Jaime that this
	UFO was reappearing in different places around the area.
	He took and went to each coordinate that the tower had given him and in each place found
	the same thing.
	The crops had been crushed and trampled under the area where the UFO had appeared.
	It's a remarkable story.
	Did they, uh, did they do, uh, you know, in this country, uh, and England, when they have crop circles, uh, and crops are affected one way or another, uh, Dr. Levengood and others examine the crops at times and not find that there are molecular changes that cannot be accounted for.
	Uh, in any way at all, at least in what are considered to be legitimate crop circles.
	Obviously, there are some fakes, but they have found... They have found these definite molecular changes.
	Oh yeah, it's gotten to the point where it's relatively easy to tell the difference between the two.
	I didn't know how aware they were of the crop circle research at the time that this happened.
	But there was something found, anyway, that was quite exciting.
	They sent me some video of this, and it's the most remarkable thing.
	It's a pumpkin plant.
	That has got, uh, it's in other words, it's some kind of a bizarre hybridized plant that it was in the middle of sitting there in the middle of one of these fields.
	It was just completely inexplicable.
	Um, and unfortunately the plant itself has been destroyed because of the passage of time and their lack of awareness at the time of so all that exists remains of it is the video.
	And it's a most unusual video.
	There's also the video of the night, which is on my tape, by the way.
	Oh, it is?
	Oh, yes.
	It had... Jaime gave me permission to use it.
	And that's on the tape you're talking about?
	The one we're offering?
	Yes, it is.
	It's... I said there were some surprise videos on it.
	And believe me, they are a big surprise.
	I'm not talking... I don't... I'm not interested in little surprises.
	Big surprises.
	All right.
	When we come out of the...
	Half hour here.
	I would like to do what we haven't done all night, and that is take some calls for you.
	I'm sure that there are plenty of questions that have been generated throughout.
	Sure.
	Always look forward to it.
	Anyway, you're really going to autograph all these tapes, huh?
	Well, if it takes longer than three weeks, two weeks to get them, it'll be better.
	All right.
	All right, Whitley, hold on.
	He really will do that.
	Well, you want to be sure not to autograph.
	You know, videotapes are shrink-wrapped.
	I'm going to get the flat boxes to autograph.
	And so you're going to autograph the box itself?
	That's correct, yes.
	The boxes will be autographed.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	This tape is called Pure Balance and you want to order it by that name.
	Pure Balance.
	Art Bell is calling it Pure Dynamite because that's obviously what it is. $24.90.
	$24.90, that includes the, uh, you know, the shipping and handling to get it to you, and the number again is 1-800-350-4639.
	Footage never ever seen by the American public before, that Whitley's been holding on to.
	And I think the most dynamic part of it is, if you want it, it will lead you toward a way to having a close encounter.
	My only caution would be, be careful what you wish for, but as far as an opportunity to get, you know, this tape, even if you get it and don't look at it, put it in the corner and wait, I'd do it now.
	Now 1-800-350-4639.
	1-800-350-4639.
	We'll be right back.
	I'm going to be right back.
	I'll be right back.
	727-1295.
	That's area code 702.
	727-1295.
	First-time callers may rechart at area code 702.
	727-1222.
	727-1295. First time callers may reach Art at area code 702.
	702.
	727-1222.
	727-1222. 702. 727-1222.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. It is, and my guest is Whitley Strieber.
	What an amazing night this has been once again, huh?
	Anyway, we are going to take calls, coming up in a moment.
	All right, now, back to San Antonio, Texas, and a man who has just about done it again, that has made it through the full program, Whitley Strieber.
	You're really shocked how many unusual things happen to me in the night to sleep break.
	Sounds like fun.
	Fine.
	I like it.
	All right.
	Well, first on our line, top of the morning, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	Good morning.
	Where are you?
	I'm calling from northern Minnesota.
	Okay.
	Let me make this real quick.
	Last year, pretty close to this time, early December, I sent something to you, Mr. Bell, and you're through the Internet, and I put the topic, Strieber.
	I don't know if you had gotten it to date.
	I know you're a busy man along those lines.
	I had met both of you in San Diego around 1975, and I'll just go along the lines of a word of knowledge premonition, so to speak.
	About two years ago, I was sitting around late at night, about 2.30 in the morning, feeling no pain, just sitting around on an average night, and the strangest thing happened.
	I had just previously, about three weeks before, Picked up a reel-to-reel, a tape recorder.
	Never ran through it, figured out how it worked and everything like that.
	But I had gone to various garage sales and picked up a bunch of old 8-track tapes because I figured the tape was about the size that would be close.
	So in patching together all this tape work, I had two 10-inch reels, blanked both sides out, and had an argument with the girl I was living with at the time as Do you have this machine more than me kind of thing?
	Well, the oddest thing is, I finally figured out how the controls work, the simul-sync and everything like that.
	Recorded a couple of songs, and late one night before I had even plugged it into the back of a quad receiver, I half-jokingly, sitting on a couch, when she said, are you going to crash tonight or what?
	I said, yeah, give me a minute.
	I set it, the blanket tape out, and there's a little arm that you kick up to kick the motor and drive.
	And she yelled at me again, and I just went off to bed.
	Well, the next morning she said, you know, I know you got back up.
	You got off the couch and I heard you playing with your blankety-blank reel tool.
	I said, no, I never touched it.
	I argued for about three days, make a long story short, about three and a half weeks later, after I blanked out the rest of the tape, flipped over Tenet Reel, I came across these three sounds.
	And in reference to the internet messages I sent to you, I have no idea where they came from.
	I thought at first maybe something was not hooked up.
	Well, you might be surprised, caller, to know that your story is not unusual, and there are many, many people who have recorded things on electromagnetic tape that simply can't be accounted for.
	It's in the realm of video, of course.
	Did you send those sounds to me?
	No, I think he sent them to me, Whitley, and I don't recall them.
	Somebody sent me some absolutely extraordinary sounds, and I...
	We somehow or another misplaced the tape, and it's something I have regretted losing for about two or three years.
	Well, again, I'm going to remind you to stay close to the phone for me, and if that's the case, then give your email address out, and maybe you'll get another copy.
	Well, they have to send it to my snail mail address, which is 5928 Broadway.
	Wait a minute.
	5928 Broadway?
	Hmm?
	San Antonio, Texas, 78209.
	And I must apologize to everyone who tries to send me email.
	I strip my messages once a week.
	And it usually... and then people can't get through.
	It's just overwhelming and I can't deal with it.
	It has to come by snail.
	Okay, I'm having exactly the same problem with email.
	I don't even know how to deal with it.
	Anyway, your snail mail is Whitley... 78209.
	Alright, so send them again, caller, and Whitley will deal with them, so will I. Wild Card Line, you're on the air with the Whitley Strieber.
	Hi.
	Hello, how are you today?
	Okay, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Seattle, Washington.
	Seattle, okay.
	And I work for a major U.S.
	carrier.
	I've been with a carrier for 18 years.
	Aircraft carrier?
	U.S.
	carrier, yes.
	I hesitate to mention the name of the airline.
	That's all right, though.
	Okay, so 1994, I'm in the evenings, received a call in a reservation center from a gentleman I pulled up an itinerary, and we have extensive information about the passengers.
	It's confidential.
	Sure.
	I had an extensive world itinerary, global.
	At that time, I took the call and helped him.
	It was about a 30-minute call involved, and it was very extensive, very detailed.
	At the time, I saw that this gentleman worked for The Department of Defense.
	Okay.
	And, um, we developed a rapport on the phone.
	I helped him, uh, cordial.
	Um, I asked him a question.
	I don't know why, but I asked him the question.
	Can you tell me anything about, um, hesitate?
	It was about a five second pause.
	I know this gentleman.
	He knows me.
	He does not know me, and I don't know him.
	He told me an allegory.
	He said, imagine if you are starting to raise a plant from a seedling, and you watch it, and you fertilize it, you water it, you let the sun come in, you protect it, and you study it.
	And then he stopped.
	I said, is that us watching someone else or is someone else watching and protecting us?
	And he said, I think the latter.
	And then I asked him, is there any literature that you could recommend?
	Now this gentleman works for the Department of Defense.
	He's all over the world and he states, get the book Communion.
	That blew my mind.
	My hair stood up on the back of my neck.
	And quite frankly, I've always been a skeptic.
	But I don't know what happened that night, but we connected.
	He had no reason to tell me that.
	And my question is, can you comment on that?
	Do you have any contact or has there been any contact?
	with the government and you and your dealings with these situations that you can talk about.
	Well, that's a great story, number one.
	And number two, it's a great question.
	Lee, has there been any contact between you and any official representative of the government, either that that was apparent to you through a presentation of identification or?
	Oh, sure.
	Oh, sure.
	Really?
	Oh, it's been there's been with more than one.
	There's been Quite a number of people over the years came up to my cabin to either to just have the experience of being there or get into contact, try to get into contact.
	You know, behind the scenes in the government, and I'm not even very far behind the scenes, but just immediately beneath the surface, there are, I think, many, many most senators know about that this is, there's something in this and a lot of people in the Congress And their staffs, as well as the intelligence community, so yeah, there's lots of people.
	I have my attitude about this, and from other countries as well, that if they want to make their names public, it's up to them.
	Because I respect their confidentiality, and they know that.
	But there have been.
	And there have been some people from the U.S.
	Senate, and from the House in the United States, A few people from the intelligence community.
	There was a period of time when they were investigating whether or not the intelligence community was withholding information from them about this.
	I spent two years being questioned about where I got the information from my book, Majestic.
	And that was hard.
	It was never unpleasant, but it was clear.
	I mean, they did mention that they had... In my opinion, there is a level of the government that knows a great deal about this, but it's isolated from the part of the government that we see, and it's hidden so well.
	That not even the people who are overseeing the intelligence community can find it.
	And people like the director of the CIA, they know it's there, but they can't track it down.
	There's a cut within the defense industry.
	And a lot of the funding that goes through the black budget into defense industry projects that ends up redirected into this area, it's invisible to the people who are trying to control it.
	All right.
	That would be my short answer.
	All right, no, that's just fine.
	I had an interesting guest, I'll tell you about, the other night, David Adair.
	Sure, I know David well.
	You know David well?
	Sure.
	He testified in front of Congress, a closed thing, for Stephen Greer and C. Settey.
	And he said, the young representatives, congressmen, senators, when they heard this, their mouths were open.
	Acted as though they were hearing something they already knew about.
	Well, I think that the three Senators are Bird and Senator Moynihan.
	In my opinion.
	I wouldn't doubt that for a second.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm hi from Chicago.
	I had a very strange experience.
	And first of all, my question is, if you can put things into the body, can you take I'm in my 40s and when I was 7 or 8 years old it was either a dream or something I saw on TV where I went into the ground.
	Before we answer that question, you have to tell us why you asked it.
	Okay, well first of all I'm in my 40s and when I was 7 or 8 years old, it was either
	a dream or something I saw on TV where I went into the ground.
	I know this is going to sound strange but I go into the ground and I can't remember
	a lot of it except for there and that's really all I remember.
	And about 20 years ago, when I had my youngest child, I went in to have a two-degree microscope to make a small incision.
	You're totally sedated.
	And when they went in, they found that I had one fallopian tube, one ovary, one ureter, and one kidney.
	And they sent me to a kidney specialist, and they have no scientific explanation as to why I just have one kidney because
	usually the one is diseased or whatever and I'm wondering if can you know would they have you ever
	heard of something like that?
	Now I surely understand why you asked the question yes.
	And I'm perfectly healthy by the way I did not I've never ever had a problem with anything so I
	just I just you know and I every now and then I have you know dreams about what I feel was a dream.
	Do you want to know what really happened?
	What?
	I'm asking, do you want to know what really happened here?
	You told me you had this dream or this sense that you were in a laboratory with strange people, right?
	Exactly.
	Do you really want to know what happened?
	Yes.
	I mean, I... There are ways to find out, Woodley.
	Well, there are a number of ways you can... One of the things you can do, you can...
	You can use meditation.
	You can try hypnosis.
	We're working on the possibility of using the biology of the brain to tell us whether or not memories that are stored are real or dreams or false memories, but that's still a little bit in the future.
	It's a struggle.
	Personally, it's a great struggle for me, for everyone who is having close encounters,
	to tell the difference between dreams and encounters.
	And then to remember the encounters is really hard.
	Especially if you try hypnosis, try it with somebody who is very objective, who doesn't
	have any set beliefs about this.
	And remember that the first time or two will be the best.
	And then after that, maybe it will trail off in terms of its freshness and immediacy.
	But you will be able to tell the difference when your imagination starts to take over.
	Tough business to find out what's going on with this.
	As far as the disappearing body parts or non-existent body parts, that's a very unusual one.
	It's not one that I've heard of before.
	It may not be related to this experience at all.
	It could just be a natural phenomenon.
	But it's awfully interesting.
	So if you do take the trouble to go to a regressive hypnosis, I would be most interested in knowing the results.
	Okay.
	All right?
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Boy, that's a strange one.
	It really is, yeah.
	And it's an interesting question.
	If they can put things in, I suppose they could sure take things out.
	And specifically, the thing she's missing Well, I'll wait until we get the results.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Schreber and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	I'm calling from Fresno, California.
	A KFRE country.
	Yes, sir.
	There you go.
	Yes, I have two questions for your guest, Mr. Bell.
	All right.
	You're going to have to speak into your phone good and loud.
	Okay.
	I have two questions for your guest, Mr. Bell.
	Go.
	Yes.
	First of all, a few years ago, I had a dream where I was starting to float out of my body.
	I know you guys have heard that before.
	But the unusual thing was that two white hands touched my cervical or neck area.
	And then after that the dream was over, but it just felt like I was in a suspended state and or something else was trying to make contact with me or had an interest in me or what.
	Okay, then the advice to you is just like we gave to that young lady, depending on whether you want to know more or not.
	And also, have you gentlemen had experiences Do you have anything on videotape where an object will fly along?
	I've seen these over Fresno a few times, where an object will fly along maybe between 40 to 60 miles an hour.
	It emits a pulsating glow, then maybe from time to time it may emit a giant shower of sparks.
	Well, I don't know about that specifically, but we have reams and reams and reams of videotape of anomalous flying objects.
	There is some videotape that I have not seen yet that's just been made in Scotland of objects that are like whirling groups of lights, but I don't think there's any, there are video, there's also plenty of video of objects that are pulsating, but nothing of anything admitting a shower of sparks that I am aware of.
	Ludley, did you think really hard before deciding to release this Pure Balance tape?
	Yeah, I made it about a year ago and I was all set to release it, but I then held it back because I wanted to spend some time with it and just leave it sitting for a while and then look at it again.
	I've spent ten years trying to make my close encounter experience work and be a little bit more coherent and trying to Answer the questions of all the people who are curious about whether or not they could get into contact in any way.
	Yes.
	And, you know, I want the thing to be my best shot, and I think it is.
	That's why I've released it.
	You are the first one, the first one in all the years that I've been doing this that has ever offered something of this sort to actually promote A close encounter, if that's really what you want.
	If that's what you want, and also to get control of it or to get out of it.
	To get out of it.
	Yeah, I hear more people wanting to get out of it, but inevitably when we do these programs, I get a lot of calls from people, I want to have it, I want to have an experience.
	And I've never been able to cozy up to that idea myself, but there are a lot of people who apparently want it and aren't afraid of it.
	Well, I've always thought, you know, I know a lot of people who would be willing to trade.
	Totally figure out how to trade.
	It has been a particularly good one, and I'm going to see to it that it gets rerun on the weekend as well.
	Great.
	So, my friend, once again, thank you.
	There's a lot going on in this wide world, and you and I will get back together again and talk about it soon.
	Always great, Art.
	Whitley, take care.
	You too.
	Alright, that's Whitley Strieber, and the tape that we were just referring to is It's called Detective Tape, Pure Balance, and you need to know that because that is what you need to ask for.
	Now, the offer obviously is good tonight, good today, good this weekend, because I'm going to ensure this tape is heard over the weekend as well when we do our normal replays.
	The offer will be made whenever it is heard, but this has never been offered to the public before.
	And if I, if I could rename it, I'd call it Pure Dynamite.
	It's $24.90, $24.90, and Whitley will autograph it for you personally.
	...and handling, by the way.
	1-800-350-4639.
	You can call right now.
	for you personally. And handling, by the way, one eight hundred three five zero four six
	three nine. You can call right now. That's one eight hundred three five zero four six
	three nine. Or there will be human beings to take your order. It's your one opportunity
	to get this.
	Never before released.
	Probably never again.
	1-800-35... What a night.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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