Linda Moulton Howe examines the November 14, 2009 "Lights over the Northwest" event—hundreds in Washington/Oregon/Canada saw a slow-moving object fragmenting for 45+ seconds, unlike NORAD’s tracked SL-12 Russian rocket debris burning up in seconds. Witnesses like Marty Kellogg (Idaho) reported stationary glowing lights with color shifts, while the Kramers (Abbotsford) heard booms and debris falls. Howe argues multiple unexplained phenomena occurred, citing NORAD’s tracking gaps and parallels to the 1997 Phoenix Lights, suggesting official explanations often miss the full picture. [Automatically generated summary]
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If you want an update on what occurred over the northwest part of the U.S. on Friday night, whoa, what a show that was.
Linda Motenhow has that coming up in her report in a moment.
Followed by a very, very unusual interview.
A man who made a lot of money in the commodities trading markets in Chicago, Mark Ritchie, and then spent a lot of it going to the rainforest.
He's written a book called Spirit of the Rainforest.
Oh my, what an interview that's going to be.
Spent a lot of time with a rainforest shaman.
We'll talk about that tonight and much more on Dreamland.
I'm Art Bell, and so we'll get to it shortly.
First from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, it is the Emmy Award-winning documentary producer, Linda Moulton Howe, investigator into crop circles, animal mutilations, general scientific reporter, and regular feature on Dreamland from Philadelphia.
And following up your Friday marathon, as the whole country knows by now, that Friday evening, November 14th, between 9.12 and 9.15 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, hundreds of residents in Washington and Oregon reported seeing a huge flash of light followed by what some compared to a 4th of July fireworks explosion.
And in fact, there were eyewitness reports in Canada as well.
Some people even captured the event on videotape, and the bright objects have been shown on TV news yesterday and today in Canada and the United States.
Police, fire, and sheriff's offices were contacted for an explanation.
And here's an example of one sheriff's dispatcher response.
One man who disagreed with the meteor explanation should know.
He was an eyewitness to the entire event and is president of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada based in Vancouver, B.C. Ken Henriksen estimates he has spent 400 hours skygazing and told me.
Those red objects in formation that I mentioned to the astronomer came from a report that Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle received from Tenasket, Washington in the Okanagan National Forest.
Tenasket is almost in the center of Washington and not far from the Canadian border, east and a little south of Vancouver, not north, as the astronomer saw the debris falling.
Perhaps the object seen through the lower atmosphere might have looked red to witnesses in Tenasket, or possibly there was something else moving in the sky further east.
Here's what the Okanagan County Sheriff's Dispatcher told me when I called.
unidentified
That there appeared to be, well, matter of fact, I'll read you what I have.
About that same time, back west toward Vancouver, in Abbotsford, British Columbia, apparently pieces of the Russian rocket were falling to the ground.
The John and Pat Kramer family even heard and felt huge booms.
unidentified
It sounded like almost fireworks, except they were quite a bit stronger.
Like, you know, it impacted the walls a little bit more, you know, the percussion.
So it was, you know, fairly strong, and there were about, you know, maybe four or five or six booms.
And I was just actually talking to my daughter since that phone call, and she saw them in the sky.
And we actually, the TV stations here showed them, they looked like streaks of light with bright spots and sort of like, you know, almost like fireworks.
Abbotsford, I just called the Abbotsford police for you to see if the police, they said that their phones were ringing off the hooks because there was so much shuttering.
Like we not only saw it, we felt it.
But that they do not have any reports of debris in the fields.
However, in the Vancouver Sun, it says debris fell in Burnaby, British Columbia, which is a suburb of Vancouver, and Abbotsford and the ocean.
Let's go back to what the NORAD fellow said for a second.
He said, if I heard it correctly, essentially what NORAD said on Friday, and that is that they would have seen it in Seattle, perhaps Vancouver, but anything, Victoria, anything further East of that, they would be unable to account for, and they're still claiming this went down essentially in the Pacific.
Now, I talked to, I can't tell you how many people Friday night from Seattle, including the news director of KLMO, who said, hey, look, this thing did not land in the ocean.
I stood here and watched it pass from west to east over my head and continue east.
I talked to people as far east as eastern Washington who said they saw it going over their heads.
And the Vancouver Sun clearly has had somebody report that they have had material fall just exactly like the Kramers heard these booms.
And I'm curious if anyone listening knows of, has any debris that has fallen.
If they could contact you and me, I'd sure like to know about this.
And my fax number is Area Code 215-491-9842.
That's area code 215-491-9842.
And my mailing address is Post Office Box 300 in Jameson, Pennsylvania.
Zip code 1-8929.
That's Post Office Box 300 in Jameson, PA, zip code 1-8929.
And I want to also thank you and Peter Davenport in the UFO Reporting Center for contacting me on the Tenaska, the Abbotsford, and those Sandpoint people, because it's especially noteworthy to realize that Idaho is an entirely another state further east.
And whatever Marty Kellogg and her son watched, she said for at least five to ten minutes in raising her hands up and saying that to her they would have been the size of coffee cup saucers, seven of them stuck still in the air from somewhere five to seven to ten minutes.
We are not talking about what happened over Victoria, and I would encourage anybody listening who also saw other objects further east, east in Washington, east in Oregon, Idaho, if they would contact me.
I got a fact on Friday myself from a man in Wyoming who had seen a very bright, startlingly bright object that evening.
Whether or not all of these things are connected, there certainly were more than one event occurring on Friday, November 14th.
Well, then in many ways, this is memorable of the Phoenix incident because on the one hand, a lot of people tried to explain that, you'll recall, as flares.
Right, but I do think that we do have this Russian launch on November 12th that NORAD was tracking and that they knew it was about to come down, this debris piece.
And the astronomer who actually watched this entire event with a lot of stargazing experience and knowledge said his first reaction was, my God, the mirror is finally coming down because he emphasized it was so slow that it was consistent with something very low in Earth orbit that when it does begin to hit the friction of the atmosphere, it's moving slowly.
It can break up spectacularly, but you don't have the speed that you have with bolides.