Brad Steiger, author of 139 paranormal books, shares childhood ghost encounters—doors slamming, a phone lifting off its hook—and dismisses trivialized possession like Ouija boards as dangerous. He describes violent hauntings tied to murder-suicide cases, including a mansion where a pitchfork materialized and "King Kong"-like forces disrupted investigations, noting entities often react to resistance. Steiger’s near-death experience at 11 revealed a pain-free afterlife, while callers recount NDEs with fractal visions and angelic interventions. Ghost stories, they argue, offer evidence of life beyond death but demand discernment—love may counter fear-fueled hauntings, though spirits linger in places, not people. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across all these many prolific time zones stretching from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to Santa Country at the Pole.
This is Coast Coast A.M. I'm Mark Bell and oh yes, worldwide on the internet.
Forgot that.
You're in for a treat tonight as we enter the zone of Halloween.
My guest is going to be Brad Steiger, author of The Awful Thing in the Attic, along with many, many other books.
As a matter of fact, probably nigh on to about 130 some odd books by now.
Brad Steiger coming up, and we'll kind of warm you up for Halloween.
Tomorrow night, we do the annual Ghost to Ghost Show.
And that is the show in which you have an opportunity to tell the most horrific, horrible ghost stories that really occurred to you or someone close to you.
And as we learn every year, there are so many of those that it generally is not possible to capture them adequately in one night.
In fact, we may even take part of 2 and 2 Friday night, Saturday morning as well.
At least some portion of that.
It is very chilling because, like the ones you may hear tonight from Brad, these ghost stories are real.
You know, this is not sort of sit around the campfire and just make stuff up.
These are real ghost stories because ghosts are real.
Anyway, Brad Steiger coming up, and we'll kick it all off here in a bit.
I will read to you what's on the back of the awful thing in the attic.
Brad Steiger is the author of more than 100 books, if that's true, on the strange and unknown.
Here, referring to this book, he draws upon his 40 years as a psychic researcher to select the eeriest, spookiest, scariest, true stories.
Underline true.
It comes, of course, from his own investigations and from his extensive files of the paranormal and the mysterious.
Of course, people send him things.
Steiger and his wife, Sherry, live in Forest City, Iowa, the heart of America with cats, ghosts, and Scandinavian pixies.
And that is, I guess, one of the two great questions that we could have answered in our lifetimes.
We may never have it answered, but you're right.
It's the great question, and it is an affirmation that there would be some sort of existence after death, even if possibly not such a pleasant one in some cases.
I think, again, I've just had a real education as I've traveled around investigating from coast to coast and overseas as well.
I began pretty solidly intellectual about the approach to the unknown.
I really felt that so much of it was people's misinterpretations, their own deceptions, misinterpretations of the hot water pipes bumping and thumping.
And certainly there could not be such a thing as an actual spirit that hung on.
And of course, I came also, you have to remember, I came from an evangelistic Christian background in which these sort of things were anathema as well.
So once I had expanded from that base, I still kept a very, very solid approach to it, except I had to balance it with my own experiences growing up in a haunted house.
Our farm was originally a stagecoach stop.
So again, all sorts of drama had gone on there, I suppose.
And the sounds that we would hear in the middle of the night, and it seemed primarily my mother, my sister, and myself would be up in the middle of the night, you know, what was that?
Did you hear that?
Doors opening and closing, footsteps walking around, and strange sounds outside.
My dad was the kind of person that if you couldn't see it, teach it, or touch it, it didn't exist.
He was also a very strongly orthodox religious man.
But he never laughed.
He never made fun because he knew that we were genuinely experiencing something.
And I think he just could not have seen when the salt shakers lifted and the Taurus closed.
It walked down the lane of their neighbor, or seemed to walk.
And next thing they saw was the shadowy form of their neighbor walking with the angel.
And the man died that night.
So what they, in essence, saw was an angel of death coming to take a soul home.
So she had a number of experiences like that as a child, and then I remember when she was a child, and when I was a child, I remember her when the little lady would come and talk to her at night, then she would be able to tell dad, you better get the crop in, you better do this because a storm is coming, whatever.
And it was always the lady who told her.
So I recognized that that was, in essence, like a spirit guide.
And in that same home, every night when I was a child, nearly every night, from the closet would issue a very stern-looking man and woman who would come, stand at my bedside, look down at me.
I'd pull the covers and I'd peek.
They'd still be there.
I'd pull the covers, peek, they'd still be there.
They never smiled at me, but yet I never felt they're going to harm me.
And you know, it wasn't until I was an adult when I saw pictures in the family book that they would have been my great-grandparents.
They would come out, not every night, but frequently enough so that eventually, you know, I just kind of smile and said goodnight to them because I realized.
Now, I think that set a pattern for me too, Art, is I saw that, okay, and I found out with my other kids at school that probably I saw people that they didn't.
But I never felt fear then because I saw that there was no harm.
So I suppose that's the objective part of me that has been able to just kind of focus and study and be more intrigued by what is going on.
Well, one of my great questions of all time regarding ghosts or poltergeists is whether we're looking at a sort of a distant echo, a past echo that is in some sort of endless tape repeating loop of somebody doing something again and again and again, or whether we're actually observing a spirit somehow coming to or trapped on Earth in real time.
Now, when you get warnings about things that are going to happen, that would seem to lean toward the side of real time, that there's really a spirit there.
Yeah, I have to, at this point, I have to check all of the above.
When I began my career as a psychical researcher, I was totally enthralled by the theory that you previously mentioned.
And I still say that is responsible for 90% of the hauntings.
And that is there is a faculty or capacity within the human psyche that somehow activates or receives impressions from, as you said, it's like a film loop because the entities do the same thing night after night.
And it's always been my contention, or was my contention, that you could no more interact with those entities on that psychic loop, than you could with the entities you see in your television set or your movie screen.
You can talk to Sam Donaldson all you want, but he's not going to hear you, and it's been tested that he will not respond to you.
So that was my theory, and I still maintain that that's in the majority of cases.
However, then, when I arrogantly slammed the door on an entity or whatever and had it kicked open and then myself lifted into the air along with several other people because I had definitely annoyed whatever it was there, I had to recognize in some cases there is the unknown, there's an intelligence there that I'm just devoting my life to trying to define.
And then in other instances, I do believe that there is a spirit contact.
And certainly in terms of spirit guides and contacts there, I'm a complete believer in that, angels and guides and so forth.
Do you think they all stem from the same basic place, the other side, or do you think that one is a relic or some sort of psychic relic of this world and has nothing at all to do with the other side?
I'm asking questions that I'm sure you can't answer.
I had a young lady on the air the other night who really shocked me, who really scared me.
Her name, and we interviewed her for four hours straight.
Her name was Patsy.
She called herself Harlot.
She's a real devil worshiper.
I mean, hail Satan.
She came from a background where her ex-husband had murdered her five-year-old.
She was very comfortable with the fact, Brad, that she was going to hell when she dies.
As she embraced it, she looks forward to it.
And toward the end of the program, Brad, I asked her, well, if you're certain and comfortable with the fact that you're going to go to hell, eternally burning forever, whatever hell turns out to be, what about your five-year-old, who surely was an innocent, murdered, and is in heaven?
You will not be with your five-year-old.
And she paused, and she said, no, that's absolutely wrong, because before my child died, I took steps to ensure that my child would be in hell with Satan.
Now, those people, in my opinion, have become afflicted by what I call spiritual parasites, soul parasites, entities that have somehow attached.
That's why, again, I sound like an old fogey to so many young people because I am so strict against alcohol abuse, drug abuse, because it's when all those barriers are lowered that just go ahead and call it possession.
But certainly, invasion of these spirit entities can occur.
Well, she would say things like, it is my mission to subvert for Satan anybody I can.
She will seduce men.
She will do, I mean, really evil things.
This was a person truly devoted to evil.
And I thought at the time, either we're dealing with somebody who is mentally unbalanced, and she didn't sound that way, or we're dealing, you know, a case of schizophrenia of some sort, or we're dealing with somebody who is truly, as Father Malachi Martin would say, perfectly possessed.
And I guess I think that's my mission is to communicate with people in the printed form and through venues such as your wonderful radio show and some of the television appearances we do.
I just think activating people, stimulating them, I've never, as you know from reading my books, I don't try to convince or sell anyone.
I just present and allow people to make up their own minds because this is important material.
It really affects who we are, what we are, where we came from, and where we're going.
Because it stands out to you, somebody who will experience their having right now in some city, and you must be occasionally tempted to get on an airplane and go.
They were antique collectors, and they had literally treasures from every country imaginable.
And they had done the various rooms in a motif of different, each one, you know, was a different culture, so to speak.
But the point of it was the actual mansion itself had been constructed and lived in by, we'll say, a very eccentric multi-millionaire.
We don't want to know that much about the history.
When we did, later on I'll talk about a psychic safari I did with the medium Irene Hughes when we went to several places.
We collected them for about a year.
We did preliminary investigation and went from place to place throughout the entire Midwest, but we never told her anything about them, you know, so that it could be pure.
Otherwise, you know, you can feedback or you can use your imagination, you can project contamination.
Exactly.
So we stayed in this one.
We chose looking particularly eerie.
But yet I didn't really feel anything, and I don't think Sherry did either.
She's very sensitive.
But in the middle of the night, poor Sherry was the one who.
You say, Jerry, listen, there's this little bed and breakfast up in the Northwest where there's this haunting and we want to go, It's very interesting because Sherry has, well, we each have our own abilities, and we complement each other that way.
And we respect one another, which is why we have a delightful marriage.
First of all, she said to me, why are you sitting over in that chair when you sit next to her and say what?
She saw me clearly sitting first pacing.
She watched me pacing the room, or so she thought it was I, pacing the room, pacing the room, and then sitting in the chair and putting my head in my hands and shaking my head like I was just really upset.
So she said, and then she realized it was not I. It was not me.
So she described it to me, and she says, what an eerie feeling, you know, I'm talking to you across the room, and then I feel you beside me.
And this was in the original bed.
It was a huge thing, you know, so stuffed.
That's something I would not normally sleep in.
So later in the evening then, or in the night, we went back to sleep.
And then Sherry feels first it's my hand reaching over and taking hers.
And she feels this hand and then feels this hand.
And first she thinks, you know, that I'm reaching over, you know, as married couples will do.
Finally, about two weeks later, we found her living in Cairo with an indigenous couple who had treated her very kindly and had literally found her wandering the streets.
In those temperatures with that slime and all those people.
Absolutely correct.
And I will try, Brad.
I got the lion's sarcophagus.
Nobody else was willing to do it, as a matter of fact.
So I did.
and...
I said some words while I was in there, and it stopped me cold because there was an incredible, this is where it gets hard, a resonance that was more than a resonance.
I could feel it in sort of every fiber of my entire body.
There was definitely something happening there.
And it just, it was a total body feeling.
It wasn't just an echo.
I mean, there's a certain acoustic something or another in the king's chamber, of course.
I can only imagine what it would be like to go up there, say, in the middle of the night when there was nobody around and spend two or three or four hours in that sarcophagus.
And in this case, just as I assume that, you know, you and Ramona were kind of the, even though you had a guide and so forth, you were kind of the figureheads, the Mucky Mucks or whatever.
And in a way, it kind of parallels what we're talking about tonight with Brad, Brad Steiger.
I got a call earlier tonight from Linda Malten-Howe in Philadelphia, and she has apparently three frames of a video taken in of all places, Phoenix, Arizona, under the category of clear object.
And that video is now on object in the sky, UFO.
And that video is, and I will extract from it a still photograph.
Then I got a call earlier today to make this a double treat from Chris Carmichael, a Red County, actually North County, I guess, San Diego.
And a fellow had come to him who had taken apparently as many as 26 photographs of an object in North County, I guess North County or San Diego, with a 35 millimeter camera, apparently quite clear photographs.
Chris rated them, and I trust his judgment, somewhere between good and excellent.
So those photographs are on the way to me as well.
I will scan them in some sort of high-definition mode, and all of that will be coming to my website, a website near you, specifically mine, in the next couple of days.
But we're getting an awful lot of sightings, daytime sightings of things that ought not be in our skies.
And there are, in a lot of ways, parallels that I see between UFOs and these weird things in our skies that you can't quite put your hand on, but occasionally you can take a photograph of, and spirits and ghosts and that sort of thing that Brad talks about.
I would say, making the same subjective evaluation in the category of my nervous laughter, I will make a subjective evaluation and say that's what's lurking behind that question.
I have made no secret that I believe in a supreme being, a higher power.
It would be very difficult being married to a Protestant minister and feel otherwise, I think.
That would not make harmony.
But my own belief structure, I've said, I think on this show, that I was groomed until graduation day to go on to the seminary, but I just chose a larger congregation through my books.
I have appeared, and very recently, with an extremely cut along famously, because I have said so often that it's semantics.
We are saying the same thing.
I think people of spirit and goodwill should stop bickering and being picky on each other.
There is a perceived, if you will, that those of us of goodwill and spirit should be supporting one another.
I announced to the Bible department, went to a parochial school.
Again, and as a teenager, I would take over for the minister when he was on vacation.
And I was so pious that it would make you upset to your stomach.
But I just felt, I guess, after my near-death experience, and I saw that denominations, in my opinion, didn't really mean a whole lot.
And the emphasis is on the path of spirit, recognizing those who agree with us all the time or who sit beside us in the church pew, but other pews and other faiths and other denominations and other churches.
There are many, many faces of God.
There are many, many paths to God.
And that's part of the lesson of schoolhouse earth, is to find our path.
The small town in which I lived, all my friends, everyone had been told, I suppose, I was not clinically dead, but talking to the doctor who treated me, who is now nearly 90 years old, remembering, I mean, he Again, said I was as good as, so I got the body.
Well, I'll tell it quickly because I, you know, as you say, I have told it before, and I don't want to be repetitive here.
But I'm an Iowa farm boy.
I'm a country boy.
So we were rushing to get our chores and our tasks finished so that we could do something very rare in those days, eat out to celebrate my parents' anniversary.
And I did a very careless thing to hurry.
Haste makes waste, to haste can also kill you with some farm machinery.
And I actually fell into the thickly scalped and head practically torn off.
And then an almost ecstatic calm came over me because I saw something that I cannot put in.
This was I've seen when Sherry was doing a healing seminar and she was using some slides of fractal geometry.
And the closest I saw then was kind of like I saw a symbol.
I saw a kind of gene that somehow conveyed to me that there was a meaning and a purpose to life.
And that if I did go into the light, it didn't really matter.
Life would go on.
The Western world and civilization as we know it would continue without me.
But then I taken to what I suppose, you know, my kind of ideal concept.
I mean, I spent what seemed like the next couple days in this beautiful kind of country village in the mountains and surrounded by animals and friendly people and ice cream vendors and so forth.
Again, I felt, I suppose, because I said I was an extremely religious little boy.
I felt I was probably going into the arms of Jesus is what I felt, because that would have been my orientation and the angels and so forth.
But when I went wherever I went, I went to kind of an idyllic dimension, I guess, until I regained consciousness probably a couple days later in the hospital.
I was in a Roman Catholic hospital, and I remember the child in the room with me was Sensed that I had been there, and they asked me at 11 years old, with my head completely covered with bandages and just a little space for me to speak, to tell those parents where their little girl was going and that it was a beautiful place.
Yes, I began my ministry in that hospital room at age 11, comforting the parents as they sat by the bedside of their dying daughter.
No, no, they seemed very conversant.
And I hadn't said that much.
They just seemed to sense that I had been there and back.
And speaking of the Kingdom of Nigh, there's a pretty good photograph up there on the website's live studio cam right now.
That fits the Kingdom of Nigh.
My guest is Brad Steiger, and he'll be right back.
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All right, Hankite, all the lines are humming, of course, and we will get to the phones in due course.
Brad Seiger is my guest, and here is a question for you, Brad.
Dear Art, it says, is there a person with a very active imagination and life, and yet I've never experienced a ghostly experience, a spiritual manifestation of some sort?
Are there any public places that Brad might suggest where some sort of entity would likely drop by?
Failing that, what could I offer as an invitation?
There are people who are ghost magnets, you know, who seem to attract them.
I'm just not the kind of person who believes in forcing these kinds of experiences.
I know it is no consolation to someone who probably would secretly like an experience to say it will happen when the time is right.
But as annoying as that might be to people, I really have to stand by that.
I don't believe in putting yourself where you might not be able to handle it.
I think so often of the police officer who was with me, and when we saw a ghost materializing, had given me such a bad time all day about believing in ghosts and so forth that I'm afraid I began to materialize.
This was a place where you lifted an optical call.
And as in so many instances, it was through police that I was contacted because the police had been brought out there, new stations.
What would begin until quite recently, I'm going back in time now, so I'm From the perspective of 10 years ago, let's say, until quite recently when I was called in, two spinster sisters had lived in the house.
It was a mansion, it had stables, it had the complete works, it was a Marvel or the entity or the form would materialize to the west of the stables and then would walk across the lane and would walk into the house.
And then you could see his glowing house.
His daughters, who at that time were probably in their mid-80s and close to 90, would speak.
There were a lot of strange spots, a lot of strange circles burnt into the ground.
So there again, we have that UFO ghost connection.
And interesting, just before they tore it down, I heard two police officers had gone out there hearing the story and they going over it and having heard me talk, went out to see for themselves.
And they admitted they came and they just burned rubber and got out of there.
It's something, as they said very frankly, that wasn't covered in the police manuals.
I'll have you tell that story because a lot haven't heard it.
But why do you think, and of course, when manifestations occur, even when you don't put your hand in them, there are many, many, many zillions of reports of cold spots.
It seems like half the town has, and everyone loves it, and it's just a happy house.
But we'll hear, I often hear a person talking, we'll say, or are you listening to the radio?
Are you listening to television?
No, I'm sitting here working.
But you hear the sound of voices engaged.
And those echoes of the past seem to be very common.
I have heard, I don't see as often as I smell and hear.
I mean, that's what it is to me.
I certainly have never felt any threat in this house.
And nothing, again, as I say, it's a happy house, and the voices we hear sound happy.
It's kind of like eavesdropping on people having happy conversations, but it does get deceptive when you think it's your spouse or, you know, you think you have company.
And again, the sound of footsteps when you know you're all alone home is...
I've had mediums, you know, channel and say that they take ectoplasm or they take people at their value and take that, you know, just as people who are human, giving human testimony that may or may not be true.
Again, the theory that you and I said at the beginning, we feel comfortable with, that so much of this is just a pattern that somehow people of a certain sensitivity are able to activate.
That's where you actually feel there's an intelligence involved and sometimes a somewhat malevolent intelligence.
So I don't know.
I have been told, you know, that I unconsciously serve as a reservoir, a receptor, a channel for this.
People say, oh, did you write that book all by yourself?
Are you sure?
From time to time, I have been aware of taking dictation, so to speak.
I think in some of my more lasting and more profound faces.
Maybe this is where we get the concept of the muse, you know, the spirit that comes and inspires us.
And I think there's some basic truth to that.
That is a feminine aspect.
Creativity, I think, is the, we need the masculine guiding aspect.
We need the feminine creative aspect.
So in a sense, we do objectify sometimes and personalize our creative self as a muse, as an entity.
And I just, you know, there's something about it, and I'm not saying my sister's a fraud or anything.
Oh, no, no, no.
It's just too much room for fraud.
I mean, I could sit here right now, and I could put on a little act, and I could come up with some voice that sounded a little different, and I could start to say things, and I could be fraudulent.
Let me just put some of channeling into a little different perspective for you, my friend.
There's shamanism.
I think we all have shamanistic capacities.
I think we all have the ability to channel, to reach our higher selves and get information.
But again, we have to test it.
And it makes is one of the problems with channeling.
And again, I have many dear, wonderful people who channel messages to me or for me.
And I say, thank you very much, you know, but this maybe it isn't for me.
You know, it's something that would even be contrary.
This may have been for you.
And it's the same way when you go on a vision quest.
You may receive a vision that you are to share with the tribe, i.e.
others in your community, or it may be a message strictly for you.
So if you go on a vision quest and the higher self or the guide or the great spirit, whatever says you must eat whale blubber, that may not apply to anyone other than you.
Maybe you, your system, needs what is in that whale blubber for that moment.
And I sound facetious, but I hope I'm making the point is that so much of it is individualized and is not meant to be shared.
And that's kind of the quarrel I have with just this generic blanket channeling.
I think it is an aspect of shamanism.
I think we all have that ability.
We call it creativity or we call it our own guidance or we call it the answer to prayer.
Whether it was your views, whether it was channeling, whether it was your brain, it came through you.
And all the impressions that you have had as a sensitive observer, as a journalist, it all came together and just flowed when you finally, you talked about writing that book, you know, it first started you.
But it was later, it was when I looked back on it and even reread it, and I sort of said, hmm, I kind of wonder if all of this sort of formed up elsewhere and God forbid the word channeled through me.
And I don't really believe that, and I don't want to believe that, but I have some suspicions about it.
And what does your sister say?
She hasn't made any comment on the book yet.
I'm surprised.
I had no idea you had heard from her.
I'm surprised.
She is a very, very, very nice letter.
I'll be darned.
The things you find out.
When we come back, I'm going to return for a second to Egypt because I've got a very, very interesting facts here from Milwaukee with regard to the disappearance of people from the king's chamber.
How long has it been, Brad, since you were in Egypt?
Seems like I've got a couple of announcements that I'm supposed to be making tonight.
And we will have Ghost to Ghost AM tomorrow night.
And then possibly also heading into Friday night, Saturday morning, in view of the fact that Halloween officially, of course, is on Friday.
Ghost to Ghost AM, for those of you that have never heard it, is a rendering of true ghost stories by all of you.
And that is a night we do not have a guest, perhaps a couple of nights in which we do not have a guest, and it is one of the more chilling things I guarantee you will ever hear because so many people have experienced that which you're hearing about tonight from Brad Steiger.
We'll get back to Brad in a moment.
He left.
That's 1-800-447-7911.
All right, back now to Brad Steiger.
And we were talking earlier about Egypt.
As you know, I got an opportunity to lie in the sarcophagus in Egypt.
And Brad told this story about a woman who had been on tour with him who had come up to the king's chamber as part of the group.
This is kind of a strange story, folks.
And she suddenly just...
And they were calling the end of my husband back in the States that, you know, this woman had virtually disappeared from the king's chamber.
It was a very odd story.
And the end of it was that she was found about two weeks later, get this, living with a very nice Egyptian couple who had taken her in.
Apparently it found her wandering on the streets, I would presume, of Cairo, which is adjacent to Giza, where the pyramids are and the Sphinx, and had taken her in.
And this was two weeks later.
And so somebody just faxed the following.
And I want to read this to you, Brad.
Art Great Show, I have a comment about the woman disappearing from the king's chamber.
I remember a previous guest talking about how when opened might allow the blowing wind to produce a particular resonance.
Could it be that this is what the sound was and that the woman was then, in effect, teleported somewhere, kind of like the Stargate nature of the Great Pyramid that has been alluded to by many.
If I had to analyze the sound because we did get it on tape, we were, I traveled with the tape recorder.
I was picking up street sounds, everything.
I like to do that.
And so the tape recorder picked up the strange manifestation too on it.
As I said, it's some years, I think really what probably happened was the emotionality and the tension of it became such that she probably could not, and somehow managed to run out of there and down capturing everyone's attention and everyone's looking around.
We went to this one particular area deep in the heart of Machu Picchu.
And we set up candles, and we were having a very beautiful little ceremony, prayers, and blessings.
And all of a sudden, a wind came out of nowhere and blew all the Los Angeles policemen who saw very clearly and began to become very frightened of large entities, ancient entities.
Once again, art came over the entire group.
It was cold.
This wind came.
And then from nowhere appears four dogs and begin to bark and drive these entities back into the darkness.
And I had, when I was a little boy, I had my bacon really saved.
Two dogs materialized and drove it up a tree.
And there were no such dogs around or in that area.
And after that, they disappeared.
So I real strongly that my guardians and my guides can assume that form when necessary.
But they drove the entities back.
It was an incredible experience, absolutely incredible.
I know the people, the hand, it was just maybe a dozen of us, those people, stilled the fear of finding our way back out of the ruins.
The flashlights, it was as if they're again, the energy was totally taken from them.
It was very dark.
And I know everyone just kind of clung together in a line, but the dogs moved away back to the main gate where they let tourists come in and then they were gone.
It's interesting that you should mention a policeman because I get literally every day.
Email.
I get through them all.
But without identifying anybody, which I would never do for their own protection.
I get a disproportionate number of emails and letters from law officers all across the country, in cities all across the country, who have had all kinds of strange paranormal experiences, which they're willing to describe to me, but inevitably at the end, please, Art, you know, I've got a career.
I really can't talk about this publicly.
I've heard just about everything described, and they have a disproportionately large number of these experiences.
You know, I've been sending out a questionnaire since 1967, And law enforcement officers have just moved.
I gave a percentage, you know, percentile rating of the different professions and occupations that contact me.
And you're right.
Either we are really gaining sensitive law enforcement officers, or they are becoming encouraged to speak out.
And again, personally, you know, some of my very best friends, the dear friend I mentioned with the bagpipes, who was a former police officer before he became a private detective, and other police officers have always been primary in area to do little areas, even flying me in certain places, you know, in planes and so forth.
There's just an overwhelming number of police officers who have these experiences.
I get remarkable stories, you know, about just knowing, I mean, picking up a bank robber or a thief, rather, before it's been called in because they just drove past and knew that that man had robbed such and such a place.
And then they're already rested before the report even comes in.
Law enforcement said he thought it was because, just what you were touching on there, Art, they are in situations of jeopardy that basic sense, the ESP sense, and them for their survival almost has to be stronger than in the average population.
Yeah, there are all kinds of, to get into the Bible quoting situation, which I never like to do, there are so many other passages which seem to indicate that we have to remember Christianity is also an Eastern religion.
And at the Conflict of 25 reincarnation lost by only three votes of being included, if it had passed, we wouldn't be having those questions today.
So again, playing the Bible verse game, I think, has built in hazards.
But I'll answer the first question.
It's not that they consider karma or the wheel of return a curse, but in some aspects they do.
When the child begins to speak of a past life, they discourage it because they feel one life at a time, if you entertain or encourage the memories of a past life, many Eastern religionists believe, it can become additionally stressful, which I think we would agree.
And why, again, we don't encourage people if they're doing it for therapy, if they're doing it for raising their soul evolution and insight and wisdom and awareness, but just for kicks, you know, unbalanced, you think probably reincarnation is a fact, though?
Well, I think it is certainly one of the forms that survival after death may take.
My favorite hymn as a child was, I'm but a stranger here, heaven helps me.
It's all of our home, and I think that we are returning.
So, I've been collecting, and I'm eager to hear from anyone who's listening right now.
Sherry and I will be working on this book, putting it together.
If you have an afterlife experience, either through a near-death experience, through a vision, through a profound dream, through a contact with a loved one, we'd love to hear it, certainly.
To answer her question, not to evade that, the descriptions of the afterlife have a consistency in terms of the near-death experience and a pattern.
And since she's studying it, she's familiar with that.
Very often seeing the tunnels or being greeted by deceased loved ones or a light being, an angelic being, or a holy figure, such as Jesus, Moses, Mary, depending upon your religious orientation.
And then I think the whole P, saying treasures here on earth, I think that could be interpreted as we are collecting our experiences.
The afterlife seems to be, and I think we touched on this earlier, Art, it seems to be an individual thing.
We may bring, this is one theory or thought, we may bring our own experiences with us and, in a sense, create our own corner of heaven, our own aspect of heaven.
Because of my dear diff experience and the close personal friends, as well as, you know, I've written a number of books.
I wrote the first book way back in the 60s.
I call it The Mind Travelers.
And then my One with the Light, which came out four or five years ago, which has created a lot of attention in the near-death experience, and sharing those.
The unanimity then of the pattern that people go through.
But the afterlife, that's it seems to be as though we collect our own treasures, our own experiences, and then there seems to be a time where there is a coming together.
I'm also collecting memories or people who believe and feel strongly to coming into this lifetime again.
Not to this lifetime again, but I mean coming back into the earth plane again.
These things the cynic and the skeptic can laugh away or can find alternate explanations, I suppose.
But I think the belief of the afterlife, the belief that we are more than physical beings, that we are non-physical multi-dependent, I think is so strongly ingrained.
And I think that some people, and I get this accusation, well, you're anti-science, and that is absolutely not true.
I think materialistic science is what we, perhaps a lot of people, object to.
Materialistic, that it denies the non-physical aspect of our psyche.
I think that's when people rebel.
And certainly, I know many fine scientists who research and study and are, we have to say, believe, because there will never be the controlled, repeatable experience to satisfy the materialistic scientist.
Yeah, but I think, again, the knowing, the noetic aspect of the afterlife and of the near-death experiences and the past life memories that to me that life does go on.
Her question about entities and so forth, an infant person's question is in the reality of an afterlife.
And then the afterlife varies from being a mere image, but a more intensified, more vital image of our own world to an idealistic paradise.
And we find that sort of in the Muslim, the Jewish, and the Christian faith.
Others, you know, have the different levels of heaven and so forth.
So it's a fascinating study, and I certainly would love to hear from anyone who would like to contribute to it.
And any of the books, the one with the light I mentioned, or our awful thing in the attic, or any of our angel books, or whatever, people can acquire directly from 800-862-2923.
Remember the facts we got earlier from what I discern to be a fundamentalist that talked about your nervous laugh?
You remember that?
I've got another facts here.
I've got to say, Art, this is from Daryl.
I've got to say, Art, that Brad Seiger, from what I've seen of him on tape, heard from him on radio, and gleaned through his writings, is a bright, distinguished, centered gentleman in the real sense of the word, that his laugh is the laugh of a man who is relaxed and knows himself.
He definitely is someone to pay attention to.
I think it was the factor who was nervous.
Christians.
I think so.
I think that may be exactly the case.
As you talk of this sort of thing, and you talk to a fundamentalist, or a fundamentalist listens, it produces a kind of nervous reaction that, if allowed to continue, can turn into outright anger.
It just seems to me that an awful lot of what's going on politically now is just for American people, and there's a lot of people that agree with that.
Let's take a few phone calls, and I've got a lot of other facts.
There's just a lot of people want to talk to you.
Great.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Brad Steiger.
Well, I just wanted to call and clear up something that you had mentioned to Brad Art, and I felt his answer to it was a little bit evasive, which is typical.
I know you're not a religious show, but last few nights I've been listening, there's been lots, starting with, I think it was Harlet or Patsy or whatever.
From growing up, I grew up in a very old home that was, at one time, was in the town I was from.
He was a practicing physician.
The house, my parents bought in the early 50s.
I have four other brothers that we grew up in.
Alcoholic at the time, and a pretty violent one, as far as busting up the house, coming home drunk and late.
The thing was, there was a lot of activity in this house.
The house has six bedrooms upstairs with two bathrooms.
Downstairs was an actual practicing room with a preparation kitchen because people stayed there.
Mostly elderly.
They would visit the doctor.
He would tend to them.
And quite a few had passed away in the house.
The main porch had four doors going into it.
Two, where you would see the receptionist, going and wait, and going to the doctor's room, which eventually turned into my parents' main bedroom downstairs.
The two doors were identical.
Very strong oak wood, a lot of glass in it.
The one rattled, very loose pane of glass.
I mean, if you walk through the house on the wood floors, my father was a very big man.
He sit up around.
This was always going on.
The constant doorknob turning.
Many occasions we would be sitting and we'd hear my dad bell her out, Wait a minute, I'm in a John, give me a minute.
And somebody would literally be turning a doorknob and nobody would be upstairs.
On another occasion, what happened with my girlfriend, which is now my wife, we were upstairs getting some heavy petting.
It was pretty late at night.
Don't want to get into that.
And a very, very thunderous, it sounded like somebody dropped a bowerbell step with a couple hundred pounds of weights in it, shook the entire house.
My mom met me halfway up the stairs with my girlfriend.
We were decent.
And she's like, what are you kids doing?
She thought the bed had busted down.
We were working around.
Oh, boy.
And I said, well, what are you doing?
And we looked and looked.
Nothing was out of place.
I'm asking you, because I'm asking now, because my parents moved to Florida.
My older brother lives in a house now with two other boys.
There's no activities now.
There's no, my brother knew what was going on in the house.
He grew up there.
He heard the footsteps.
He's seen the occasional glancing of somebody in a mirror at you, which was, I was always scared of it.
But it's not going on with your brothers still living there.
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No, but I'm wondering, could it have been channeled in because of my father's violent background, his alcoholism in the house, his violence channel in entities or happenings?
You may have heard earlier someone called in and said they would like to have a haunting experience.
Were you listening then?
Well, I think one of the things, an area that is loaded with this type of phenomenon is an old hospital or, as you say, a doctor's office where people have died where people have been ill.
There's something about the emotions of pain, fear that linger.
And as we said, you know, somehow we don't understand it yet.
Perhaps we will someday and can tune into it just like we can into a C D or a cassette.
But somehow the atmosphere becomes so charged in those areas.
And then one thing, I mean, I found this in many, many haunting situations.
I just had an experience that scared the hell out of me.
Coming out of this last break, as I was, you know, as I was rolling the bumper music going into this last break, I took my headphones off.
I have a headset that I use.
And I started to turn around, and there was a sharp bang.
I mean, it's like somebody banged my door, you know, like, boom, like that.
And I went, and I quickly opened the door, and there was absolutely nobody there.
And so I went into the other room and woke up Ramona and asked her if she had just done something.
And she came out of sleep and said, no, I'm asleep.
And I looked at my three cats, the only other possibility, and they were all soundly asleep on the bed with her.
So I don't know what it was.
Maybe it was a gigantic creak, but I have never, ever, ever experienced anything like that in here before.
That scared the hell out of me.
I mean, it wasn't a discreet little boom.
It wasn't like an airplane producing, you know, a sound barrier break, that kind of thing.
It was on my door, and it was a gigantic bang, and I didn't like it at all.
But that shows you what happens when you start getting in these moods.
Brad Steiger is my guest, and we'll get back to him in a moment.
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You know, and it brought to mind-I mean, that was a sharp bang on my door, and there was nobody around to make it.
And I went and checked, and I locked both doors, double-locked.
But it really, really scared me, Brad.
And I kind of wonder, you know, you described earlier encountering an entity and taking your hand and putting it into the middle of the entity.
Now, based on what I just experienced, now I haven't had a lot of these.
This is pretty unusual for me.
If there was something that manifested before me, the last thing in the entire world that I would do would be to put my hand into the entity.
What I think I would probably do is let my feet take me as fast as they could in the opposite direction, just based on how scared I got over that crash on my day.
Now, you might remember one time I was talking about working with someone who had poltergeist phenomena.
And you said, one of your commercials is we're all electric things.
Well, we are electromagnetic things.
And you remember I described how that poltergeist followed the telephone line all the way from where they were to where I was and began tearing up my office.
This is an electromagnetic, certainly one facet of it is electromagnetic.
What our friend in Ohio was describing, and we just started to get into it when the commercial came, the break came.
Again, his father was a big man.
They were children.
The fact that he was alcoholic, one may assume that he went into rages or maybe he accused them of different things or he was argumentative.
And contrary to one of our callers, arguments do not really bring about harmony.
They shatter the harmony.
So here's the emotions.
That would trigger explosions within that family, within that home.
Those dormant emotions of pain and suffering and illness from the doctor's office would be activated in a way we don't understand, but somehow then, yes, it became contagious.
The activities that went on in that office, so those echoes of former pain and discomfort were activated by his father's alcoholic condition.
Earlier, I said that's why I'm so really try to be firm in talking to young people about alcohol abuse and drug abuse.
That's when the spiritual parasites can really get in there.
Well, in this particular case, it just served as a focus.
It just served as a conduit for all these past emotions to enter in, which do somehow, in some cases, sound like explosions.
I've been in numerous haunting situations where there's just a bang, there's just a crack, almost like thunder or lightning.
And it's almost as if it's coming from one dimension into another.
It's like breaking the sound barrier, to use an analogy, as it comes in.
So again, when the father moved away, when he moved away, and probably the brother, let's hope then, is a balanced person, probably with the example of his father.
Maybe he doesn't drink, and there's harmony once again there.
Well, all I know is that bang scared the hell out of you.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, listen, here's something from a pastor, Pastor Bradley, who's a listener to this program and chimes in from time to time.
Dear Art, I'm a born-again Christian.
I've had a near-death experience as well as other paranormal experiences.
I found what Brad was saying about alcohol and drug abuse very interesting.
I've been saying this very thing myself for quite a few years now.
I don't agree with everything that he says, but I do find it very interesting.
And so he's going to send you information on his NDE.
And it's on the way.
So he agrees with you regarding drug and alcohol abuse and that sort of thing.
And then I have one other comment on the Bible, and I'm not trying to bring it back to that point.
But one thing, and this is, we've talked about it on the show over the last couple of days.
I've always had this problem with organized religion, Brad, and the fact that we, according to most organized religions, are supposed to have this great fear of God.
To me, it doesn't seem like God is supposed to be a fearful character.
The attitude of the pastor, again, as I said, I don't know why it's always so confusing for people to comprehend this.
In my own family, you know, we have many born-again Christians.
We have harmony because we respect each other as individuals and recognize that we can differ on certain points.
If there was unanimity, I mean, how many sects of the Christian church are there in the United States?
I mean, there are hundreds.
If there was one Christian faith, you know, but there isn't, which indicates that even in the most devout, traditionally religious people, there are different points of view.
So I think if we can practice love and respect for one another, and like I say, see the face of God in everyone, then the one caller who said, well, that was cowardly in our family not to discuss or to argue.
We discuss, but it's pointless to try to convince a rock that it's a raindrop.
As he said, we later found out that this woman became apparently overwhelmed and emotionally distraught and slipped out unnoticed and disappeared into the desert to be rescued by an Egyptian family.
The sound that Brad described was truly phenomenal.
It began as Brad touched the finger of another tour member and would vary in intensity and pitch as the sound passed finger to finger around the room.
It made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
I've been in the king's chamber over 20 times.
This was the only time anything like this ever happened.
Well, you know, Brad, these are civilizations, as you well know from having been to Egypt, that are far older than ours.
And if the presence of human beings in civilizations, you know, for hundreds or thousands of years, thousands of years in this case, even before Christ, if their presence and their absence as we come and go as mortal beings generates these spirits and these things, then these very ancient civilizations, you might imagine, would have more paranormal occurrences than we have.
Yeah, I think there was something about the focus of the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians, on life after death.
I suppose almost more than any other philosophy, our concepts of life after death are influenced by the ancient Egyptians in subtle ways that a lot of people just refuse to recognize.
And I certainly, I remember when Joy proposed going to Egypt, my first reaction was, the Egypt I love is the Egypt that's no longer there.
And it took some convincing on her part.
And then after I got there, I thought, but that Egypt is still here.
It is still here.
Time, space, there's something art, I know you and Ramona must have experienced this.
No, I said I was brought to a Roman Catholic hospital in my near-death experience, and my first, my ministry, so to speak, began in that hospital, when the nuns asked me to testify or to help the grieving parents at the deathbedside of their daughter.
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Oh, okay, because I was kind of wondering, because I was, you know, kind of wanting to know a couple things, you know, about biblical things about the abominable church sitting upon seven hills and the.
And so apparently, I think they took the time from when the 911 call came in to the time that the medics arrived, and it was like over nine minutes, and you're brain dead after six or something like that.
So when they got me to the hospital, they didn't even take me to cardiac.
They took me to immediately for the brain scan.
And of course, like I said, came out and told my boyfriend and my roommate that I was brain dead.
So my family flew in, family members flew in, and like I said, about day four, they're going, gosh, you know, it might as well pull the plug.
Even if she ever comes out of the coma, she'll never come off the respirator.
Now this time, and it's interesting because I have visited with a woman just by chance out of Arizona, has a publishing company there, that she had had more than one near-death experience because she had called on some business and they said, oh, she died of a cardiac, but she came back.
So she called out and said, wow, I've been there twice.
She went out of body her first time, and she'd been there second.
She had that same, you know, and the only way she could explain is, well, maybe you just go to the next level of it quicker, or you don't go through that, or I don't know.
And it's interesting because when you're here, your thoughts are private.
When you're there, because you're not communicating with language or anything, and you're communicating with thought, because you're thinking, and everything you're thinking, you're aware that it's communicating.
But what I did, what I found interesting was I was aware also that I was brain dead.
Yeah, because I was looking down on this battered, bloody little 11-year-old boy when I was looking down there.
And I was aware that, you know, he probably wasn't going to make it.
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Right.
And so I specifically communicated that I wanted to come back, but that I also wanted my brain back and that I wanted all the memories and all the intellect and everything that was on the tape.
Well, the blue light came to me and gave me the book, Revelation, the Divine Fire, that I wrote, which is about the revelatory experience and experiences like you're talking about.
And the story that the lady just told about Art Bell, she heard she was listening to Art Bell when she was in a coma, but she'd never listened to him in reality.
I've had more people say that during surgery or anesthesia, they were shown the cover of the book, Revelation, Divine Fire, and told to read it.
And again, I have only their testimony, but these are total strangers to me who wrote and said that's when it came to them.
I always maintained stoically that if I had some sort of fatal disease, rather than go through the pain, I wouldn't hesitate to take my life toward the end stages.
I wouldn't.
I saw no reason for people to suffer.
And Ramona said, no, that isn't the way it's supposed to happen.
You've got to play the handout that you were dealt.
And if you don't play it out, you're going to end up playing it out later again in some other way.
But I wonder spiritually, you know, when we're talking about spirits and we're talking about ghosts and we're talking about things that remain, whether suicide is such a traumatic end that it frequently causes the kind of things that we've been talking about.
Suicide and murder, certainly in my experience, are at the basis of the majority of hauntings that I've investigated.
In one home, the family Would see the reenactment of the murder.
Probably once a month, they would see a man.
It was from what we could piece together: a man, his mistress, the man murders his wife, or the mistress is looking on.
And that evil tableau was played out for them repeatedly.
By the time we got to this, and this was an old lumber baron's home, the family was living in like three rooms out of like a 25-room house because the house was just infested with evil.
It's a house that I've seen, the experiences that we had in that house, I must say, I've seen in my dreams several times.
I know there was something happened there.
We made contact with something there that still left kind of a seed in my psyche that I have to kind of replay and exercise from time to time.
I would like to learn how to do that because I live my dreams as, in fact, as I wake up, I have to assure myself that it wasn't real, you know, in the waking up process.
And I would love to be able to learn how to live outside a dream and watch it dispassionately.
For creativity, it's just, oh, I mean, when I was taking confirmation class and I was confirmed Lutheran and we had to practically memorize the Bible and the teachings of Martin Luther and so forth and be able to recite them, I would read it once or twice, Art, and then I would go to sleep and then I would continue what that other part of me would continue to go over it so that the next morning, Saturday morning for confirmation class, I had it down cold.
I did the same thing knowledge with my tests and so forth.
I've got a kind of a special piece of music at the bottom of the hour, too, that I'll tell you about toward the bottom of the hour.
Listen, something interesting occurred.
Not that you heard it because it occurred during the break.
But again, I've got a very interesting telephone system here, the most modern of the modern, that takes a guest and locks the line in so nothing can go wrong.
But sometime during the break, Brad Steiger just disappeared.
Now I got him back.
I've got him back now.
But sometime during the break, I don't know when, he disappeared.
Fortunately, before the break was over, I happened to look down and noticed the line was dead.
And Brad says it just went to some sort of recording or something.
I mean, you can trace it all the way back to, you know, the Celtic observation of the dead and the Day of the Dead in Spanish cultures, and then, of course, the Catholic Church assuming it to All Hallows Eve, All Saints' Night.
But there's something about October, and there's something about October 31st that is significant in so many ways.
It seems to be a window area kind of night.
It seems to be a doorway to another dimension and has been.
Maybe it's connected with the harvest.
Maybe it's connected with things that we can't even dream about at this point.
There was a time, of course, when every educated person had to know astrology, and that would include...
There will be scholars who will say that astrology and astronomy were both taught as equal disciplines, and that an educated person, which would include the clergy most of the time throughout our evolution spiritually and religiously, would be part of something that they would learn.
It's again one that I reflect upon many, many times.
This was a situation where it was a journalist, a journalist in the area who had received reports or saw the police reports about this particular house, had done some research and had invited us to investigate.
At least two grisly murders had taken place.
One in the garage, the other in the basement.
At the time we were there, prior to our arrival, we were told that blood flowed out of the faucets in the basement, that there was a strange face on the basement, and that the back room where one of the murders had taken place was filled with a great variety of eerie haunting phenomena.
Plus, faces appeared in the mirror, particularly that of a burly, large burly man with a thick beard.
The principals in the home were a teenage girl, a young boy, the mother, the father.
When we arrived, first of all, we turned on the faucet and we saw that it was just rusty water, which could look like blood, especially if all kinds of other eerie paranormal phenomena were happening around you.
And then you would hit that rough spot and then give it another push.
Well, while I was in investigating and recording impressions and letting the medium record impressions and I was taping it all, I noticed that, and again, I mentioned my friend Glenn, who was with me.
Now, when I walked out, I said, rather arrogantly, I must admit, in retrospect, I said, all right, if the damn door wants to close, close it and lock it, which they did.
We then went upstairs.
We were standing in the kitchen discussing various situations.
All of a sudden, there was, there's an engineer explosion, just BAM.
And it was apparent that that door was just blasted right off its hinges.
Then there was the sound of like King Pong coming up those basement stairs.
Boom, boom, boom.
And then there was another explosive sound, and all of us, which would have been about seven or eight of us, were lifted into the air and then dropped down.
I did one situation, and this was quoted, I remember a British author wrote a book.
The name escapes me now, but it was on paranormal phenomena.
And the last chapter is called the Steiger Effect.
Because in one situation where I was surrounded by poltergeist activity and books swirling around and papers flying, and this time I was annoyed, and I just said, cut it the hell out.
We feed dreams and that electromagnetic energy within us.
So probably it gains that way, and it can gain power.
That's why a phantom.
A phantom is a ghost.
We just put quote around ghost now.
That's seen repeatedly in the same area, time after time after time.
Many towns have a phantom dog, a phantom nun, a phantom horseman, a phantom this.
I mean, coast to coast, we have haunting situations that literally, like psychic marionettes, gain an energy of their own so that they become, in my lexicon, they become phantoms.
They become psychological psychic marionettes because so many people believe in them, so many people have feared them, so many people have encountered them and fed them their fear that they literally take on an independent existence.
Oh, I'll tell you, there's no question about that.
Daniel Brinkley is a living example of the healing power of prayer.
Absolutely.
This recent occurrence to Daniel is I actually flew back to be with him.
Oh, wonderful.
I thought he was leaving us.
He had four aneurysms going at the same time.
He should have been dead.
Anyway, picking up on this, I'm going to leave you just a little bit early on this break.
Hold on, Brad.
I want to sort of set something up here just because this is sort of important to me.
We were coming back from our trip, a very extensive trip that you all know about by now.
And we were on British Airways.
And they played, you know how when you have your headphones on a British Airways, they were playing this song, which my wife immediately identified with.
I'm married to kind of a wild woman.
You know, she is of many tempers and many personalities.
And she's an intriguing, one-of-a-kind woman that I absolutely love, as you know.
Her name is Ramona.
And she identified with this song that must have been a hit in Britain.
And we had a really, really hard time finding it here in America.
But by gosh, we found it.
And I want you to hear a little bit of it.
Because, according to Ramona, it perfectly describes her.
And so what I suggest is that you take a second and listen to the words of this.
I'm only going to play part of it, but listen to the words of it.
This is a song that they were playing on the British Airways system as we came back into America or toward America.
And Ramona said, listen to it, Art.
It's me.
So what I suggest is, if you can, listen to the words.
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I hate the world today.
You're so good to me, I know, but I can't change.
Tried to tell you, but you look at me like maybe I'm an angel underneath.
Innocent and sweet.
Yesterday I cried.
But to then relieve to see the sound of sight, I can understand how you'd be so confused.
I don't envy you.
I'm a little bit of everything.
All rolling to one.
I'm a bitch.
I'm a lover.
I'm a child.
I'm a mother.
I'm a sinner.
I'm a safe.
I do not feel ashamed.
I'm your help.
I'm your dream.
Nothing in the dream of you Wouldn't want it any other way Thank you.
Take me as I am.
Maybe you'll have to be a joyful man.
But you're sure that when I start to make you nervous, and I'm going to extreme, tomorrow I will change.
Oh, I just wanted to Say, kind of bring it back to how we began tonight when you asked, What is the purpose and why do we enjoy being frightened and hearing these stories?
My younger daughter was, oh, probably nine when we moved into a country house that was really had the gamut of haunting phenomenon.
Just before we bought the place, one of the relatives said, oh boy, this is perfect for you, Steiger, writing about ghosts because you're moving into a haunted house.
That was a nephew of the person whose house we had bought, and it truly was.
My daughter, the nine-year-old, being the youngest, really took the brunt of the haunting.
I mean, the poor child was terrified.
She's 32 now, and last summer we were kind of talking about it again and getting her responses, and she said, you know, Dad, it was horrible living through it, but she said, at the same time, it really proved to me that there's life after death, that there is an unseen world.
And the questions that so many people ask themselves, you know, is there life after death?
Do we go on?
She says, I had answered for me in maybe a spooky and frightening way.
But she says, now that I'm older, I see it in a whole different picture, is that that answered questions for me that some people will always be asking.
So I think that's what all of these ghost stories, to some people who look at it superficially, really mean.
They are truly, some of them eerie, some of them spooky, some of them positive and affirming.
I have always, all my life, enjoyed ghost stories, and every year I do ghost to ghost, and we tell ghost stories for a day or two around Halloween.
But it was always a sort of a vicarious enjoyment for me.
Enjoying being scared.
It's like going to a scary movie or something.
There's that part of it.
I enjoyed the vicarious part of it.
But there was a little bit of separation.
A couple hours ago, when there was that giant rap on my door, my entire thought about everything modified itself because it scared the you-know-what out of me.
Well, we talked about this in a way earlier because we said that the ancient Egyptians appeared to understand thousands of years ago something about death and dying in an afterlife that we don't understand.
So it may well be that what they did in hieroglyphs and what they did in their art would be able to put together some knowledge for you if you studied it.
Yeah, and Bob, if you want to, Xerox some of the ones that are especially meaningful to you, send them to me, and I'd be happy to send you my interpretation.
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Yeah, that'd be an option.
Like I say, I think these are things that haven't been seen before.
And, you know, something interesting about Hebrews is that it's the only book in the New Testament, at least that I know of, where the author is unknown.
And there are five references to Isaiah and John the Baptist.
And they're all in harmony with each other.
And yet, this one in Hebrews is out of harmony with the rest.
And if you read Hebrews, it's very uninspiring.
It looks like it was written by, inspired by a man instead of being inspired by God.
And there's something else in Hebrews, too, that kind of endears it to preachers because it mentions you've got to give 10% of what you make to the church.
I have doubt that it is the precisely translated word for word.
I think that there is interpretation of man involved in it, and I don't know about all the translations.
And so I don't, you know, people who believe it literally, I'm like you, Brad, I would never argue with them, nor would I attempt to disrupt their faith in any way.
But from my own point of view, I don't take it necessarily completely literally.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Brad Steiger.
Good morning.
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Good morning, Art and Brad.
This is Lee from San Diego County.
Yes.
And I can speak to the loveliness of the lady Ramona because I met her this morning.
So I haven't seen those other sides.
But I wanted to make just a couple of affirmative points.
And the first of those, I come from a long family line of women that are quietly connected to occasional paranoia normal experience.
And your discussion of dreams, I was greatly distressed when I woke from a dream one night, and a light drawing form materialized that was offering just amazing comfort and love.
And I reached out because I'm a touchy kind of a person.
I reached out and I touched it and I felt a tingle and a vibration, an electrical buzz, kind of a low-level shock that really speaks to that electromagnetic force that an entity has.
The other point I wanted to make was that you called our earthly experience a schoolhouse.
And I listened earlier, as some had called and argued, like jailhouse lawyers.
I just need to emphasize that with time and with more and more experience, as in school, our outlook really broadens.
And we begin to understand the enormity of God's love and the encompassing, the all-encompassing nature of it.
And it's been very interesting listening to you tonight because I've been really suppressing my availability to receive over the last few years because I've been very busy and it takes a lot of energy.
And the synchronicity that I've been experiencing over the last two years, like I said, just always tickles me.
And your discussion tonight truly, truly did that.
I enjoyed this very much.
And I hope that others have really listened carefully and understood that we are on differing levels.
And there are so many things that we can experience and understand if we open ourselves to them.
But do it with the protection of God's love because it makes a big difference.
There are a lot of people who go, particularly children, teenagers, who just go blundering, blunder bussing into this and go out and get a Ouija board and invite all kinds of things in.
And you'd be a great person to perhaps give them a warning ahead of Halloween here about what's a good idea and what's not such a good idea.
And whenever I speak out against it, I get all kinds of letters.
All people are divinely guided by it and so forth.
Well, perhaps those are very experienced individuals who surround themselves by the love of God's light and so forth.
But too many kids look at it as a game, and it is not a game.
It is nothing to play around with.
Certainly, the whole idea of opening yourself to spirit possession, which is what you're doing with a Ouija board, unless you are just playing games.
But even on the lower level, superficial game-playing level, which again, it's not a game even though it's sold as one, it really opens up to deceitful entities.
I've worked with so many people who have caught themselves in a very difficult trap, people who have become hysterical afterwards.
I've had so many times, especially years ago, art, parents bringing their children to me after a slumber party and things just got out of control with the Ouija board.
It is nothing to play around with, nor is it to play around with to open yourself to entities.
Again, the holy books of all traditions say, By their works you shall know them and test the spirits, test the entities.
Be certain, as I said, Sherry says it so well when she says, you know, these beings do not appear as grotesque monsters.
They appear loving and seductive and full of light.
You must test them.
And with Halloween coming up, truly, there are energies abroad on this hallowed and sacred night.
And we should be respectful of those entities, as the recent caller just said, surround ourselves with the love of God's light and the light of God's love, however you want to say it, and wear that as an armor, because there are negative entities out there who would just love to possess young, vital human beings.
They are especially susceptible because of their lack of experience.
But with our bombardment of our culture today, kids get pseudo-sophisticated too early.
They are not sophisticated, but they have the veneer because they're able to imitate and copy so much of what they see on television and the movies.
But they haven't had the maturity.
They haven't had the time to attain wisdom.
And parents, don't repress, don't restrict, don't, I mean, in the sense of going overboard, but be aware of what your child is doing.
Be aware of what your child is experimenting with.
And concern yourself and involve yourself with your parents.
I'm saying to the kids now, you won't find them completely stuffy and stodgy.
You will find that they actually had a life once upon a time.
They were actually young.
They actually went through the torment and tortures and the emotional pains that you're going through.
And parents, don't be afraid to involve yourself.
Don't be afraid to be rejected by your young person.
Don't be afraid to have a family prayer circle.
Don't be afraid to have five, whether you read from the Bible or whether you read from Yogananda or whether you read from any inspirational book.
Don't be afraid to do that as a family and take an active role in your child's spiritual development.
And there are more haunted places, believe me, than there are haunted people.
The atmosphere, as we said, somehow we don't understand it yet, my friend, but these impressions are ingrained.
They become imbued into the environment.
And people of the proper sensitivity, and just because you're a macho guy, that doesn't mean on one level you're very sensitive and susceptible to the energies around you.
So, yes, it's the place more often than not that has the haunting.