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Oct. 28, 1997 - Art Bell
03:19:37
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brian O'Leary - Mars, Free Energy. Open Lines
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♪♪ From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I
bid you all good evening, or good morning as the case may be across all these many,
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Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the pole, and worldwide on the old Internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
Great to be here.
We are going to take a trip with an astronaut tonight.
Dr. Brian O'Leary, and we will talk of many, many things.
As a matter of fact, we'll talk actually about Mars.
We'll talk about free energy, UFOs, consciousness, the quickening.
We'll talk about astronomy.
We'll talk about, literally, about anything you want to talk about.
The news headlines, of course, are that Wall Street came roaring back today With over 1 billion in volume, which means, in my way of thinking, that it had to be the little guy in there.
Now, how much of that was spurred by the Fed intervention at the beginning of the day, and whatever else they did, who knows?
337.17 points.
three hundred and thirty seven seventeen
uh... in other words about two-thirds of what it was the previous day and
if this is kind of like it was in nineteen eighty seven there's going to
be volatility in the market It's going to be probably way up and way down.
And only time will tell.
I gave up predicting the market years and years ago.
Additionally, Asian markets are up strongly.
They rebounded strongly Wednesday morning in obvious relief over the recovery of Wall Street.
Now, the one thing that is very, very interesting is that the world appears smaller this morning.
You know, I've known for some time, and I wrote in my book, The Quickening, about the interconnection economically of the world.
That has been a fact for some time.
Now, whether we eventually move toward a political connection in the world, which generally follows an economic connection or an economic change, economies change first, politics changes later.
And that, of course, occurred in what once was the Soviet Union and we believe will occur with China as their economy improves and changes and liberalizes.
Their politics will eventually follow, if not this generation, then next.
So a very good question is whether it is a good or bad thing that we are so interconnected in the world, economically and eventually politically.
And I would suspect most of you would think not.
But that there could be a hiccup in Asia, in Thailand, or in Hong Kong, which are comparatively tiny, tiny economies.
Tripping such a big reaction on Wall Street, whether that's good or not, I think deserves a little bit of thought.
Whether we can change it, I have great doubts.
Coming up in a moment, Brian O'Leary, Dr. Brian O'Leary, who received his Ph.D.
in Astronomy from the University of California in Berkeley in 1967, and since has published over 100 peer-reviewed articles in the scientific literature Planetary Science and Astronautics.
He has served on the faculties of Cornell California Institute of Technology, University of California at Berkeley, and Princeton University.
He was a NASA scientist astronaut during the Apollo program, and was deputy team leader of the Mariner 10 Venus Mercury television science team.
Over the past 10 years, Dr. O'Leary has researched, lectured, and written extensively about new paradigms of science and global transformation.
He is co-author of the International Association for New Science, and author of Exploring Inner and Outer Space, and The Second Coming of Science, claimed by Marilyn Ferguson, Gary Zukav, Murray Albertson, Willis Harmon, and He has been advisor and speechwriter for presidential candidates, and has appeared on major media as a scientist expert.
Dr. O'Leary's most recent book, and third in his new science trilogy, Miracle in the Void, free energy, UFOs, and other scientific revelations.
His story is based on recent world travels, visiting zero-point energy inventors, and scientists who appear to have the answer to the need for clean energy sources.
Siley, a claimed book, has had three, count them now, folks, three printings, is being
published in Germany and Japan.
And we will indeed tell you how to get it as the program proceeds.
As a matter of fact, if you'll get out a paper and pencil, we'll tell you how to get autographed
copies of his book.
He also gives lectures, seminars, and workshops worldwide on new science at such places as
the Esalen Institute.
So coming up in a moment, Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Let us begin.
Now we go to Hawaii, all the way to Hawaii, beautiful Hawaii, and Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Doctor, welcome to the program.
Well, hi Art.
Hi.
Good to hear you.
I guess I should say welcome back, actually.
Yes.
I just, as you know, returned from Egypt and Israel and Italy and Greece and all over the place, and I was gone for quite some time, and I brought back with me a cold, which I am suffering with at the moment, so I hope you'll bear with me.
My wife and I, as a matter of fact, just about everybody on the cruise caught it.
It was one of those things that we shared.
Yes, those things can happen, and I just got back from England and the same kind of thing.
Oh, really?
You caught one, too?
Perhaps as an astronomer, as a scientist-astronaut, one who was slated to go to Mars, as a matter of fact, you could explain to me how we could go to the Moon, even contemplate going to Mars, and we still fly on airplanes and come back with terrible colds.
Yes, well, we all have our human foibles, and we all have our drawbacks.
Why hasn't science done something about this?
Don't I wish it?
I think we do have concepts that are waiting in the wings for their opportunity as we enter the 21st century, and that's what I'm about.
Is there a possibility, do you suppose, that at times we focus science in esoteric areas that are interesting, Certainly, but ignore some of the more basic needs we have, like the common cold or some of the things that we should be working on scientifically here on Earth.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's true, yeah.
We all have our foibles, we all have our weaknesses, and yet at the same time, there also exist these concepts like free energy or conscious new physics, water purification, sustainable resource management.
Natural healing, spirituality, there's a checklist of possibilities that exist, I think, and these are the kinds of things that I think are going to change the world.
Alright, let's take free energy as an example, because you and I have talked about free energy many times, and there are many people with Ideas and claims and even machines that they demonstrate at various functions that occur to demonstrate free energy and that sort of thing.
And yet, still, as of tonight's broadcast, we have yet to have one free energy toy that one can call up an order and play with.
uh... much less something practical like a little box that will supply the energy for your home
or something that will drive your car without fossil fuels
or you know i mean in forty or forty five years all the fossil fuels at
present rates of usage are going to be gone exactly
uh... art i think in this case uh... what's happening now is that we're we're we're at a
point of quickening to uh...
uh... phrase in your book yes we're at a point where uh...
great brothers have already flown on this one
when it comes to free energy It's just that the credibility hasn't gotten there yet.
And so we're at this very interesting point where the concept has been demonstrated time and time again.
Good morning America.
So forth.
However, it's going to be another few years before the concept becomes credible to the American public.
Let's roll over, Doctor, what they did on Good Morning America.
Not everybody saw that.
It was a very, very interesting demonstration, and I recall that they showed that they could, for example, cause radioactive elements.
Well, this is a technology based on so-called cold fusion, which is a very interesting concept.
become harmless. How did they do that?
Well, this is a technology based on so-called cold fusion, which is a very interesting concept.
It's one that has been explored by a number of researchers.
And my sense of it is that, yes, radioactive waste can be rendered harmless through this technology, and it's just a
matter of time.
And that's good news, of course.
Good news.
Well, it's good news if it's true.
Now, they showed a demonstration of a small-scale deal.
Could it be done?
We have massive, massive amounts of Yes.
The answer is yes.
If this technology works, it will work in a larger scale.
store, as a matter of fact, they're talking about storing it somewhere near me.
Thank you very much.
Could it be done on that kind of scale?
Yes.
The answer is yes.
If this technology works, it will work in a larger scale.
For example, all the radioactive waste in Hanford, Washington could be rendered inactive
through this technology.
So these are the kinds of things that are on the horizon.
Unfortunately, they have not been promoted in the mass media or through our government.
Why not?
I think because of vested interests.
Oil company money?
Yeah, exactly.
Well, okay, here's something that I don't understand, and I was talking about it the other day.
Again, at present rates of usage, the experts say we've got 40, 45 years of oil left, usable, producible oil left for the world.
That's not very long.
Are we going to use up every last drop, more or less, before... We're using oil like drunken sailors.
Yeah.
We're drilling the living daylights out of the North Slope.
One remaining caribou sanctuary for just another half a year of oil for the United States.
We have to change our ways.
No question about it.
It's a $20 trillion infrastructure and we're also dealing with global warming.
Let's talk about that.
Obviously, with the use of fossil fuels, there is a great controversy going on about global warming right now.
Half the people I talk to say there is no such thing.
It's a figment of our imagination.
The other half seem to say global warming is going to account for weather changes, more severe El Ninos, and eventually something really horrible.
Which camp are you in?
Is global warming real or the figment of our imagination?
Well, the camp I'm in is the camp that suggests that we're into it already and that we have been burning enough oil to create this situation and there are non-linear changes like El Nino and that could precipitate diseases and a number of other You know, just terrible things.
And so, to my way of thinking, we have to stop using oil.
And, of course, that's going to get rid of an addiction that we have to oil.
We're going to have to change our ways.
Well, we've got to heat our homes.
We've got to drive our cars.
Commerce depends on oil.
I mean, when there was a little bit of a squeeze back in the 70s, Our economy went into a tailspin.
I remember interest rates approaching 20, 21 percent, whatever it was.
It was horrible.
So, you're right.
We are addicted to oil.
We must have oil or else.
Yes, and we need alternatives.
Free energy, I think, is the answer.
Free energy is a concept whose time is coming.
Like the Wright Brothers have already flown, but we haven't yet seen commercial applications.
It's a concept that has to do with the energy that's abundant in the universe.
It's all around us.
It's very abundant.
We're just beginning to find out ways of using that.
You're speaking somewhat in generalities.
Give me a specific example.
Of some sort of free energy source that we could very shortly develop or we could move toward production with right now.
Is there anything out there?
Well, very soon, I think we're going to have cold fusion devices.
We're going to have devices that are so-called cold fusion, which Eugene Malove and Infinite Energy Magazine has produced.
There are other things too, magnetic wheels, solid state devices.
We're going to be able to develop free energy.
I'd say it's another five to ten years.
Five or ten years?
we're going to be able to develop free energy.
I'd say it's another five to ten years.
Five or ten years.
Yeah.
All right.
What proof is there that global warming is real?
Is there any actual proof?
Is it just at the theory stage, or is there real proof?
I think there's proof.
Certainly, the mean temperature of the Earth has risen a degree over the last 50 years.
Most climatologists agree that El Nino has been created by human intervention and global warming.
And therefore, it's called the greenhouse effect.
In other words, the carbon dioxide, that's a byproduct of various processes of burning fossil fuels, has raised the mean temperature of the Earth somewhat.
Enough to have created these non-linear effects that we're now beginning to experience.
And I think that most people will agree that this is indeed happening.
And therefore, we're going to need to develop alternatives.
Is it hard science that tells us this?
Do we know for sure the temperature of the Earth is up one... Pretty much hard science, yeah.
The consensus is indeed that's what's happening.
Well, I know the President has had a lot to say about this lately, but then the critics come back and say there really is no proof.
As a matter of fact, there are those who will say the Earth is actually cooling, and we might be moving toward another ice age.
Well, that's possible.
We certainly have these different interpretations, but the fact is that The measurements that have been taken do indicate that the Earth is warming, and the El Nino is unprecedented in its strength.
Okay, we're having a telephone connection problem here.
It seems like you're cutting out on me every few seconds.
I'm here.
Okay, there was a problem there, kind of cut out on us.
I'm here.
All right, Doctor.
Hold on.
We'll be back to you.
My guest is Dr. Brian O'Leary.
He's here from, I believe it's Haiku, H-A-I-K-U, Hawaii.
I'm Art Bell, and from the high desert, you're listening to Coast to Coast AM.
Back now to Hawaii, I'm Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Brian O'Leary.
Doctor?
Hi, Art.
Hi.
Doctor, I'm kind of curious.
Your Ph.D.
is in astronomy.
And my favorite question to ask somebody like yourself has always been, and maybe always will be until I get an answer I understand.
How do you believe everything got started?
Was it a big bang?
Was there one little tiny dot of energy that exploded into everything that now is?
That's an amazing question.
Some astronomers, like Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan, believe that it all happened with a big bang 15 billion years ago.
And I happen to think that that's partially true, but not the whole story.
Because our consciousness, just our ability to create out of nothing.
And that's really what my whole story has been about, Miracle in the Void, that's my book.
In other words, there's more to the story than just that.
Well, okay, are you suggesting then that a consciousness, a consciousness as in God consciousness, in effect created the Big Bang?
Well, it might have, of course.
None of us really knows, but that's one of the causes, original causes, of the effects we see in the universe.
But it's just one of them.
And so, in my belief system, there's much more to it than just that.
Okay.
Mars, I know that you were slated to go to Mars, and then of course the whole idea of going to Mars got put on the shelf.
Right.
Do you think we're going to go?
Do you still want to go?
Well, I'd love to go.
I'm now 57 years old.
I was appointed to go to Mars when I was 27 years old, and maybe that will happen.
But whatever, Mars is obviously a very interesting destination, and there are these anomalies in Cydonia that have still not been photographed, even by the Mars Global Surveyor, which is in a highly elongated orbit around Mars.
In other words, we would still like to find out what's going on in Mars.
And obviously there are interesting features that need to be looked at.
Do you think that the present missions to Mars are going to resolve those questions?
I hope so.
I hope so.
That's certainly the pressure that Professor Stan McDaniel and I and others have put on NASA to see if we can get The truth of the matter of the features on Mars, the face and so forth, that are obviously anomalous.
Very strange.
And NASA has not been forthcoming about it.
Well, of course, they say the strange features on Mars are nothing but tricks of shadow.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
That's absurd.
There have been so many papers published in the peer-reviewed literature that show that these features are more than that.
So, there's something going on, and we need to get to the roots of it.
And right now, we're involved in a very interesting political situation, I think.
In what way?
Political in what sense?
Well, in the sense that Mars Global Surveyor is now in orbit around Mars.
All right.
Well, I think that they have not even really begun.
I'm not sure about this, but I think the imaging has not yet begun.
Well, it's beginning.
And there could be images taken of these features at much higher resolution if NASA really wants Okay.
I'll tell you what I'd like to do.
I'd like to allow the audience to ask you a couple of questions.
Definitely.
I'm going to take a pause here for a moment, and we'll let the audience do that.
If you have ever wanted to ask anybody who was in the Apollo program a question, or if you have questions about energy, particularly zero-point energy, A so-called free energy about Mars, about any of the things that Dr. Brian O'Leary speaks on, why come now?
and the phone numbers, first time callers, at area code 702-727-1222.
The wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
And east of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
The doctor's visit this evening is going to be short.
We will have him back, of course, for a longer visit.
But coming up in a moment, your questions.
Alright, once again, Dr. Brian O'Leary from Hawaii.
And doctor, we've got a few questions for you.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Yes, Dr. O'Leary.
I've been intrigued by the biblical perspective of remote viewing.
Are you at all a believer in remote viewing, and what do you agree with energy-wise?
Oh, very much so.
In fact, that was the first experience I had while I was in the physics faculty at Princeton.
I had a remote viewing experience, and so I'm very familiar with it.
Alright, so that it's absolutely real?
Yes.
Do you have any idea, when a person remote views, what is it they're actually doing?
Where does the power come from?
Where are they traveling?
How are they traveling?
Well, of course, the information can be verified by somebody successfully, remotely viewing a situation.
So it means viewing a person, or time, or situation.
And there have been a number of experiments done on this that show that it's a very real thing.
There's no question about it.
It is real.
I agree with that.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Hello.
Hi.
Michael Riverside.
I was thinking that perhaps most of our investment in space travel and exploration has been towards the bottom line as unlikable as it is that we're really just there prospecting for a wealth.
That's another reason why NASA wouldn't be particularly interested in drawing attention towards anomalies which might interfere with a greater That's interesting.
In other words, you're suggesting the goal of the space program was in effect prospecting for gold or diamonds or uranium or whatever might be worth a lot of money.
On the tale of your guest last night, yeah.
Okay.
Doctor, what about that?
We never really talked about the goals other than, you know, to advance mankind's knowledge or something like that.
I think the initial goal, Back in the good old days of Apollo, we're very pure, and we were going to the moon, and that was that.
And then, later, that goal got kind of waylaid.
And so, as far as prospecting for minerals and so forth, that's a possibility.
However, I don't think that's reasonable right now.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Hello?
Yes, hello.
I was just asking about the free energy.
Yes.
There's been quite a few, just between us, I've learned about some of the oil companies are changing some of their tactics on, say, for example, gas stations.
They're selling out of gas stations.
They're getting rid of their holdings, if you will.
And I just wanted to have some information about what they're going to do in the future as far as free energy, that type of thing.
Because they're dependent on some of the oil companies.
As far as I know, the oil companies have not yet invested in free energy.
a giant capacitor that stores up energy and then dumps it as you need it.
Right.
All right.
Doctor?
As far as I know, the oil companies have not yet invested in free energy.
However, there's a tremendous amount of work being done in these areas by individuals.
And it's very much like the time of the Wright brothers when they first flew their airplane.
And we're just having to wait until there's enough investment.
In other words, it's a matter of money.
It's a matter of money.
Yep.
A hundred million dollars would do it.
A hundred million dollars.
You've got to wonder, in the boardrooms of the oil companies, they've got to know there's a finite supply of oil.
Exactly.
There's 40 years left, as you say, Art.
So, what do they sit in there and say?
You know, we're going to just use it all up?
Or are they secretly working on some of these alternative methods?
After all, they're going to want to exist as corporations once their product is dried up.
I know.
I know.
It seems like that's not what's happening.
It's more like just going for what you got.
It doesn't make much sense, nor did it make much sense when the Wright Brothers flew and
there were existing transportation systems.
And yet they flew.
Well, for the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Good morning.
This is Brad calling from Reno.
Hi, Brad.
Dr. O'Leary, I have heard that there are a few people in the space program who have seen
UFOs.
Are you one of them, and do you know any of the others?
Oh, I sure wish I were.
The UFO question, I think, is one of the big vexing questions of our time, and I did not see anything myself.
However, I do know people that have seen things, and obviously it's a question that needs to be addressed.
Astronauts, Doctor?
Do you know astronauts who have seen things?
Well, Gordon Cooper and Ed Mitchell have seen UFOs, but not in their space flights.
And the point being that obviously there's something going on in this phenomenon, and it hasn't been adequately addressed.
I should say, first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary in Hawaii.
Hello.
Yes, hi Art, this is Al from Tucson.
Hi Al.
Hi, hi Al.
Yes, Doctor, I was thinking about the Hubble telescope and the fact, don't you think that the Hubble was always working?
Do you have any comment on that?
In other words, there are a lot of people, Doctor, who think that the mission to repair the Hubble was some sort of cover, some sort of I don't think so.
Story Musgrave did the job, and he's a friend of mine and a great guy.
I don't think that's true.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to be doing an interview fairly shortly with Story Musgrave.
He's in the process of moving at the moment, and we should be doing an interview shortly, so I'll ask him about that.
I doubt it.
In other words, I think he did a great job, and Hubble was repaired.
It was a stupid error by Rick and Elmer.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Hello?
Hi, my name is Claire.
I'm calling from California.
Yes.
I just met Richard Hoagland and told him to tell you hi.
I went to the Egyptian Learning Light Foundation.
Yes.
It was very fascinating.
My question is for you.
Do you believe that science, It's going to turn more into free energy in the sense of people using more intuition, more abilities naturally.
Definitely.
Definitely.
I just got back from doing energy work, and it's amazing what is coming about with a lot of people.
Give me a hint, because I want to know.
What do you mean by that specifically?
Yes, and I've used those modalities and they do work.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
I think there's a more general principle behind all of this that we can call alternative healing or consciousness or whatever, but they're forces of nature.
That we can begin to master, and it's a whole new ballgame.
In other words, instead of doing things the traditional way, eventually, perhaps with rockets that burn fuel, with medicine that blunderbusses its way into our bodies to make changes, with radiation and chemotherapy and all the rest of it, there may be alternatives you're suggesting to all of that.
Exactly.
There are new approaches to science that are totally different than before, and some of them have to do with consciousness, just our ability to change things in the material world, whether it's healing or... With the power of our own mind.
Right.
All right.
Doctor, I want to make available your book offer.
Last time we couldn't do it, we had only an 800 number.
But here's what apparently you're willing to do, if I have it correctly.
Check me if I'm wrong.
But your latest book, Miracle in the Void, that deals a lot with free energy, is $25.
The complete new science trilogy, three books, is $59.
And you are willing to personally autograph, personally sign these books for anybody who orders them.
It's a postpaid airmail situation, right?
Exactly.
All right.
And if they want a personally autographed book, they would send a check for either $25 for Miracle in the Void or $59 for the New Science Trilogy to Dr. Brian O'Leary, Post Office Box 1397, Haiku, is that correct?
Haiku.
Haiku, H-A-I-K-U, Hawaii, Paradise.
ZIP Code 96708.
Again, that's Dr. Brian O'Leary, PO Box 1397, Haiku, H-A-I-K-U, Hawaii, ZIP Code 96708.
And if they do that, they'll get a personally autographed copy of Miracle in the Void or the New Science Trilogy, all three, depending on what they order.
Then there is one other possibility, and that's with Visa or MasterCard.
And, uh, the prices are the same.
You will not get an autographed book, but you can pull out your Visa or MasterCard and make one call and get it on the way.
And that number is 1-800-842-8338.
That's 1-800-842-8338.
Is that correct?
That's correct.
Alright, Doctor.
That's 1-800-842-8338.
Is that correct?
That's correct.
All right, Doctor.
We will do a longer show in the near future.
But I very, very much appreciate your being a guest tonight and taking the time out, I
guess at some earlier hour there in Hawaii.
By the way, is it like paradise tonight?
Oh, it's very beautiful here.
Very beautiful.
Indeed.
All right, Dr. O'Leary, thank you.
And good night.
That's Dr. Brian O'Leary from Haiku, Hawaii, astronaut scientist.
All right, when we come back, we are going to do open lines.
Anything anybody out there wants to do is going to be fair game.
Open lines.
Traditional, old-fashioned, you name it, we'll talk about it.
Open lines, coming up next.
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Good morning, everybody.
I am Art Bell, and open lines are just ahead.
I think Dr. Brian O'Leary and myself are both suffering from a cold.
I'll tell you.
I'll say it again.
We go to the moon, we contemplate going to Mars, we work on all kinds of esoteric things like free energy, contemplate the state of the world, what I call the quickening, and still we have not conquered and or even made significant progress With a common cold.
And believe me, I have tried every cold medicine devised by man thus far.
Everything they get on the shelves that promises relief and gives sort of a temporary, uh, mere shadow of what the promise is.
In other words, we still have to suffer the common cold ten days.
Ten days, at least.
And then, if you're a smoker like myself, no doubt it's gonna linger a little longer.
Ah, well.
We'll get to open lines in a moment.
Dear Art, I cannot take this BS any longer.
There is no such thing as human-affected global warming.
It's called Al Gore for president in 2000, and Al is a pathetic human spotted owl.
You of all people, Art, should be smart enough to know they're just after your tax dollars.
Just give us more of your money and we will create a big bureaucracy and protect you from that big, bad global warming.
Oh, please.
Robert in San Diego.
All right.
I want to say this about global warming.
I don't know that there is proof that there is global warming.
I can't document the fact that we are one degree warmer Nor are we colder, nor are we headed toward a nice age, nor are we about to disappear in a puff of greenhouse gas.
What I think I do know, and this is not scientific, it's just my own conclusion, that we are affecting the weather.
That we are affecting our environment.
I don't think there is any question about it.
Look at the cities.
Look at the changing weather patterns.
Look at the pollution.
Look at the ozone, which is well documented, the ozone depletion.
All of that is very well documented and all of that is, I believe, a product of human presence and industrial modern civilization and the burning of So, I believe it's true.
I don't think that there is evidence that is absolute.
It's kind of like talking about secondhand smoke, in a sense.
And by the way, that's a very poor parallel, because I don't happen to believe in the effects of secondhand smoke, so I don't know why I use that.
But they use it.
And so, I'm sort of giving this to you weakly.
I don't have proof.
I just think that there is a human effect on the present condition of our planet.
I wonder what you think.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
I'm on the air.
I hope so.
Yes.
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Hi, Art.
Hi.
You know, I read your book.
Okay.
And you talk about mind technologies.
Yes.
I was wondering specifically what you meant.
Mind technologies?
Well, for example, I have had very good friends who have been diagnosed with cancers, fatal diseases.
Daniel Brinkley is another good example.
People who are able to use the power of their mind to heal themselves.
So that's one mind technology.
Another application of it would be remote viewing, extrasensory perception, precognition,
that sort of thing.
I've been reading a lot of books lately, and one of them was by Brian Tracy.
Yes.
And there's other authors like him, like in the self-improvement industry.
Yes.
Anyway, if we talk about the subconscious mind, and if you just use affirmations and
visualizations, like you give your mind a problem, and you think of it as if you accomplished
to their brain, it comes to happen in your life, give your mind a problem.
Well, I do that all the time.
I will be puzzling over something, and I'll think about it and think about it and think about it, and I'll go to bed thinking about it, and I will give myself that problem to resolve during the night, and I'll be darned if by the next morning, generally, I have not resolved the problem.
Is that what you mean?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, that's part of it.
I mean, he talks a lot more about, like, accomplishing goals, though.
It could be a problem.
You know, like, a lot of artists and scientists, they say, use this kind of thing.
Well, I use it.
I use it.
I appreciate the call.
I would imagine a lot of the rest of you use it.
And if you don't, you ought to try it.
I have had some of the most... I'm a very... What's the right way to put this?
I'm a driven person.
Let me put it that way.
And if there is a problem in front of me, whether it's an electronic problem, A computer related problem.
I will go at something until I either fix it or break it, if you follow me.
I'm that kind of person.
In other words, you can't tear me away.
It's like, I won't let it get the best of me.
But there are times when, despite my best efforts, I finally get tired and weary and I can't work on the problem any longer.
So what I do is, I go to bed.
And as I'm going to sleep, I kind of work over the problem in my mind.
And about nine times out of ten, the next morning, I wake up, and within about an hour, you know, one cup of coffee and a cigarette, and I walk in, and what had taken me hours the previous day, boom, is solved just like that.
And obviously, I want to work on it during the night.
So yes, I believe in that, and I use it.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Yes, this is the first time I've ever called, and I recognize your voice.
I know I'm talking to her, Bill.
That's me, all right.
Yes, sir.
First of all, I wanted to say that I have enjoyed your show for a long time, and especially Father Martin and Danion Brinkley and Robert Ghostwolf.
When they're on there, it's extremely interesting.
I talked with Danion earlier today.
And I can give you and everybody else a Danian update.
He's doing very well.
The final blood clot is being absorbed in his body by his body, which is an amazing thing.
He's having a little problem with his blood levels of Coumadin, but he is recovering and getting better by the minute.
Wow.
How about that, huh?
Well, he just obviously is, you know, somebody upstairs likes him, and he's a good person.
Yes.
The reason I was calling, Art, I'm a little nervous.
I've never done this before.
I listened to the show last night with that fellow on, and of course you know the market recovered today and everything, but I've heard people that are similar to him.
Actually, my dad reads all these screwy newsletters and whatnot, and the one thing I was going To get a balanced perspective on it, what you may want to do is check out some of Warren Buffett's books and Louis Rukeyser's newsletter, because they have a totally different take than this world is coming to an end type deal.
What is their take?
Their take is that Warren doesn't really pay attention to the what the analysts say. He goes in and analyzes the
companies and determines what the appropriate value of the stock is. Like he says in his book, it's
either undervalued or overvalued.
Then determining on what he figures is the price, he goes in and buys it. Then he holds
onto it regardless if there's a big correction or whatnot.
The results are pretty clear.
The results are pretty clear, but...
Yeah, that's definitely one approach.
And most financial advisors, I said this last night, will tell you, look, you're in this for the long run, not the short run, and as long as the economy remains healthy in the long run, you're going to be a winner.
Right.
That is one view.
Another is my view.
And I realize it may be an incorrect view, but that is, would I rather invest my money after a correction or just prior to a correction?
And the answer is very clear that I would rather invest my money after there's been a correction.
Yeah, right.
Well, I heard you say that you got out at $8,200 or whatnot.
About $8,250 two or three months ago because I thought I saw something coming.
Well, that was brilliant.
Now the question is, did you get in yesterday?
It wasn't brilliant.
It was lucky.
In other words, I did.
I had a gut feeling that there was a correction coming.
So I would say it was lucky.
Right.
But did you get back in yesterday?
No.
You didn't?
No.
That's the problem.
If you get out, and of course you pay the tax and you pay the commission to the brokers and all that.
I've got a few bucks in there.
If you get out, you risk penalties, particularly if you're in money funds and that sort of thing.
Right.
You risk penalties.
So I got out and nevertheless made a profit when I got out.
Yeah.
Even after the penalties.
So I felt very fortunate.
Now, had I waited, and for example, yesterday if I panicked and I'd still been holding on and gotten out yesterday, I'd have lost my shirt.
Yeah, right.
Right.
Maybe I'd have been smart to have jumped back in yesterday.
Right.
But I think that it's not over yet.
I think over the next week or two, there's going to be an awful lot of volatility.
And I'm not saying that we're in for a crash, but if you examine history and you look at the crashes, generally there's been a big dump, followed by a big recovery, followed by a big dump, big recovery, and then a bigger dump.
I'm not saying that's going to happen, because I don't predict the market anymore, but I would be worried.
Ironically, I got a chart about three weeks ago in the mail from my dad, who's into Deutschmarks and German bonds and all this stuff, and it paralleled.
The five months preceding October of 1987 with the five months preceding here, and it
showed that the ñ and this is the truth.
It was a chart put out by a guy by the name of Rickenbacker, which is, I believe, a West
German banker.
But nonetheless, it paralleled how the market was following this course.
I mean, they showed how it was going up, coming down, going up, going ñ and it was right
at the level where it was in October of 1987.
And of course, I called him, and of course, I was listening to CNBC, and they were saying
ñ there was a guy on there that predicted the 1987 crash that was saying the difference,
though, is it's not the same now.
The interest rates were higher then.
They were 10 percent, so people could get out of an overvalued market and get a good
return on their bonds.
And the deficit was a lot worse than it is now, and it's really down now.
Well, the economy wasn't as good then as it is now.
But nonetheless, he actually turned out to be right.
I was telling my brother, I said, you know what?
We got his chart, and it was correct.
It did show there was going to be a drop-off.
It didn't indicate how much.
Look, like I say, I've got a few bucks in there.
I didn't sell anything in March and April, and I didn't sell anything yesterday.
All my stocks are right back up where they are.
I've got Cisco and Microsoft and Intel and all the normal type ones.
I just was fascinated that you had got out at $8,200 because that was perfect.
For you to get back in, but you didn't do it.
You mean yesterday?
Yeah!
For you to get in and get some of the better stocks.
Hey, look, 2020 hindsight and all that stuff.
Yeah, well that Warren Buffett says, he says, be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful.
Fearful, yeah, that's good advice.
Alright, thank you very much.
No, I didn't get back in, and actually, I think, given an opportunity, I still wouldn't.
I think that I will watch it over the next week or two, and it's going to be very volatile.
It's going to be up and down and up and down, and I have no idea where it's really going.
My guess, and what I told my financial advisor when I got out, was that I thought there was going to be about a 15 or 20 percent correction at some point.
That's certainly not doomsday.
It's just a correction.
And I think if you look at a lot of the earnings reports, that the present levels, or certainly the levels we were at a couple of days ago, were not justified.
Do I think the correction is over?
Probably not.
But that's just a guess on my part.
As I said, I have given up predicting what the market is going to do Long ago, because I found generally what I would predict, you know, for any given day, the exact opposite would occur.
As a matter of fact, it got to the point where my own advice, I would sit down and think about it, and if I simply reversed what I thought would happen, that's generally what occurred.
Pathetic, huh?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
No, I guess you're not.
Hello there.
Oh no, I guess we missed you.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello, Mark?
Yes, hello.
Uh, this is Art Bell?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Uh, I'm a first-time caller.
Yes, sir.
Where are you?
I'm in Dallas, Texas.
Dallas, all right.
Clifton country.
Yes, it is.
And, uh, I just wanted to call and tell you about this, uh, light that we had down here about two weeks ago.
Light?
Yeah, it was, it was, uh, well, I call it a UFO.
Okay, I heard there was something that occurred down in Texas.
What was it?
Well, they had it on the news, you know?
And they said it was a shooting star.
It was just a bright light in the sky, you know?
Oh yes, alright.
Now this is the one that was seen across Texas, across parts of New Mexico, even Arizona.
Yeah.
And they called it a meteorite.
As a matter of fact, they're still out looking for this so-called Meteorite but I don't know how they know it was a meteorite since they have not found it and since I mean how do they know that?
Yeah I know and uh and uh we watched it for about for a good hour you know.
An hour?
Yeah and it just and it sit there and uh.
Oh no that that wouldn't have been a meteorite.
They call this one a shooting star.
Uh-huh.
No, it wouldn't have been a shooting star.
Believe me, my friend, shooting stars do not last in the sky for an hour.
And then there's one thing that shooting stars never do.
Falling stars, meteorites, whatever you want to call them, they never sit still.
You see, these are objects re-entering the atmosphere at tremendous speeds, generally burning up with various Minerals and chemicals so that you can observe a specific color as they re-enter.
They do all of that, but one thing they don't do is sit still.
So whatever it was you saw, definitely was not a meteorite.
But I certainly heard about it.
Linda Howe reported on it.
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It's from an attorney there, and his name is Thomas, and he says, Hi Art, it's great hearing you on the internet at a reasonable hour.
It's 4.20 in the afternoon as I type this.
Just a quick question and comment.
If you listen to what you're saying, Meaning me.
It's essentially, I have faith that there's global warming caused by humans, because I see it, but can't prove it scientifically.
My question is, how would you distinguish between global warming caused by human actions, and global warming caused by natural climate effects?
Especially given the, uh, uh, the, uh, uh... What's this word?
I can't even read his word.
But the variety of human weather records for the past several thousand years, the answer is, I guess, Thomas, I can't distinguish that, and I don't think anybody can right now, scientifically.
I just am giving you my feeling.
I have no way of citing evidence to suggest that what man is doing is causing a lot of what we are undergoing right now, increased strength of El Nino, Uh, basic weather changes.
Uh, I can certainly cite pollution in the cities as a problem.
I don't think anybody can argue with that.
Can I argue that global weather changes are occurring as a result of the burning of fossil fuels?
No, but I think it's true.
So I want to be careful to distinguish here that I can't, uh, and I don't think anybody right now can offer absolute evidence.
They have computer models and all the rest of it.
That seemed to suggest that the burning of fossil fuels is causing a greenhouse effect or a beginning of warming on the earth.
And I think that it's true.
But I can't prove it.
So I want to distinguish that.
And I want to be very careful about that.
I want you to understand that I'm not saying it is so.
It is just my feeling that it is so.
That what we are doing is affecting our own planet.
That's all.
Anyway, we'll get back to the lines in a moment.
Tomorrow night, Brad Steiger is going to be here, in the spirit of Halloween, which, of course, is now just around the corner.
We will begin tomorrow night with Brad Steiger, who will scare the heck out of you.
And then, the following evening, we will do the traditional Ghost to Ghost Show.
For those of you who have never heard it previously, it is one of the scarier things you will ever hear.
We don't have a guest.
What we do is solicit from our audience real ghost stories.
If there's anything I've learned over the years, or I believe that I've learned, it is that we are definitely, as Danion would say, spiritual beings.
That our existence does not end When our physical life ends.
And there is a phenomena associated with the ending of some life that appears to leave a residue.
Or appears to leave a trapped spirit.
Whatever you want to call it.
Ghosts.
Entities.
Spirits.
And so what we do is take calls from the audience.
Real calls.
Real ghost stories.
And it is one of the scariest things you will ever hear.
That will occur the following night.
Tomorrow night, Brad.
And then the next night, ghost to ghost.
And that may well carry over to Friday as well.
Because, of course, the actual day for Halloween is Friday.
But the predominant, larger portion of the show For me, it's Thursday night, Friday morning.
In some time zones, as a matter of fact, it's entirely Friday.
So we will do Ghost to Ghost on Thursday night, Friday morning, and then follow it up Friday night, Saturday morning, no doubt, with a little more.
But if you've never heard it, you're in for quite a treat.
Or a trick.
Or a treat.
Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hi, Art.
This is Debbie from Catalina, Arizona.
Hello, Debbie.
I just wanted to call and tell you that for about the last four months out here, there are some strange things flying around in the sky.
Oh, like what?
Well, there's this big, huge beacon thing, and it hovers around.
It comes as soon as the sun goes down, and it floats across the sky for a couple hours, and it turns itself on and off.
A couple weeks ago I tried to take a picture of it with my camera and it broke my camera.
What did it do to your camera?
My camera just like went on the blank.
It wouldn't take any more pictures.
It's broken.
I don't know if it zapped my camera or what, but I live about 35 miles from a CIA training compound.
And I just wondered if it had something to, there's a black, there's like a black hole out there where they do, you know, secret works on aircraft and stuff.
And you had a guy on your show one time that said that when they split Area 51 up that they moved some of it out to Tucson, Arizona?
There are stories suggesting that part of Area 51 has gone to a place in Utah, that it may have gone to Arizona.
And all of that may be utterly misleading, because they have annexed new land around Area 51, and I think they continue to do what they've been doing in Area 51.
But nobody really knows for sure.
Uh-huh.
Well, this is definitely not an aircraft, whatever it is.
Well, my advice to you would be, get another camera.
Uh-huh.
And my neighbors, I say, hey, do you watch the lights at night?
And all my neighbors go, oh yeah, the UFOs.
Everybody knows around here, you know, they watch the same thing I do.
Well, we need pictures.
Well, I'll try.
Alright, borrow a camera.
Better yet, have a neighbor come over with a very expensive camera, so your neighbor can do the filming, and then if his camera breaks, why it's not your fault.
Okay, I'll try.
Does that make sense?
Uh-huh.
Are you ever going to have Richard Hoagland on again?
Oh, yes.
I talked to Richard yesterday.
And as soon as he's got something new, he's putting something together right now, we'll have him back on, of course.
You know, if he got a ride in a space shuttle, there'd probably be a Man in Black waiting for him in there.
There probably would.
Thank you very much.
Men in Black.
It's funny, I'm hearing more and more about Men in Black.
We've had a few on the air.
One night I did a Men in Black line, and by golly, we got Men in Black.
I finally saw the movie, Men in Black, incidentally, and I thought it was pretty well done, actually.
The effects, of course, were great.
The storyline, a little fantastic.
But, all in all, very entertaining.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hi Art.
Hello.
Hello there.
No, I guess not.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Going once.
Going twice.
Gone.
West of the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there.
Hello, Art.
Thanks for taking my call.
Please turn your radio off.
It's off now.
Okay.
The other night you had a gentleman on about the Philadelphia experiment.
That was a repeat, but yes.
Oh, okay.
And there was something there I didn't understand that while I was waiting to get on your program
right now, maybe I figured it out, but I'll ask you about it anyway.
I think you asked him or David or he said that no one could kill him right now because
they'd have to wait 20 years.
And I was wondering what was meant by that.
And then I figured, well, maybe if he had gone 20 years in the future, what would happen if somebody killed him now and he had gone 20 years in the future?
That would get things sort of mixed up.
Well, it may be that he went 20 years into the future and saw that he was still alive.
And if that was the case, then that would in effect prove that nobody could kill him or that he was not going to be killed or was not going to die between now and that time.
Yes, that's very logical.
I understand now.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
And I've got somebody right now, I'm doing a little investigation on it right now, who claims that he was involved in the Philadelphia Experiment.
And if you really want to tease, he claims that the Eldridge is going to reappear.
This ship is going to reappear within the month.
Now, I'm going to do a pre-interview with him shortly, and we'll see exactly what he has to say and how credible he sounds.
And if he does, we'll bring him on the air.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes.
Hi there.
Turn your radio off, please.
Yes, sir.
Good morning, Mr. Bell.
Good morning to you.
The other evening when you were speaking to the witch Harlot.
Oh yes.
She made some comments about Freemasonry.
Yes.
What does she base those comments on?
You would have to ask her.
I thought she may have mentioned it to you.
And I heard the other morning that... Okay, would you turn your radio off please?
I'm sorry?
Is that better?
Just off.
All the way off.
Click.
There we go.
I unplugged it.
It's a clock radio.
There you go.
The other morning a gentleman called in wanting you to do a show on Freemasons.
We were listening to that here at work.
I was just wondering, it seems that there's a large amount of people that seem to be scared of Freemasons.
I don't understand that.
I don't either.
Just curious as to whether you had any comments on that, or on Freemasonry in general.
Not at all.
All right, sir.
Well, it was good to speak with you.
All right, thank you very much for the call.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
I don't comment on Freemasonry.
If you have a comment on it, you're certainly welcome to make it.
I think that people tend to make much more of Freemasonry.
Then there really is.
The Freemasons do a very great deal of good works.
And there are many people who suspect conspiracy and evil doings on their parts.
I am not one of those.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
My name is Eileen.
I'm calling you from the western part of Arizona.
Okay.
And what I wanted to discuss was something that happened in this area approximately May 7th.
A friend and I were out.
We do go swimming every evening.
And I had heard a lady ask a few months ago as to whether anyone else had ever experienced anything when there was some real bad inclement weather.
And we were deciding whether we were going to get into the pool or not because we had had a microburst out on the lake.
Of course, we had no idea what was going on.
It was just very windy.
It looked like a very large plastic bag, black plastic bag, that was headed toward the lake.
It was almost like undulating, no lights on.
That's what it looked like.
The wind was blowing from the north to the south.
About 15 minutes later, one of the friends left.
There was another friend with me, and we looked up, and here this was about 40 feet over the house.
No lights, going very, very slow.
I had my cell phone out with me, and I called the police, and of course, they tried to tell me that maybe it was a remote-controlled airplane or something.
No sound, but on the bottom of this are four circular orbs.
And there was one in each corner because it seemed, it almost looked like it was triangular,
and then one in the middle.
And I was so glad there was someone here because I was sure my husband would have thought I
was just absolutely crazy.
But I didn't know whether anyone else had ever seen anything.
It didn't look that large.
It looked like maybe, well as you know you're so nervous.
Of course.
You think that you can hold it together, and you say, oh yes, I've seen him from afar, but never this close.
And you just lose all perception of depth.
But it didn't look that large.
It didn't look like the ones that they saw in March over Phoenix, you know, whether it was something that was just a singular little observation ship or what.
By the way, there is going to be a Discovery Channel special coming up on the lights over Phoenix.
Anatomy of a Sighting or something like that.
It's called something like that.
And that's going to be coming up soon and you're going to want to see it.
All I can say to you and everybody else who sees something like you just say you saw is when you have seen something like that, and I have now twice seen things that I absolutely cannot explain, it will change your life.
You now know that something exists that is either many, many generations above what we claim we have, our own technology here on Earth, as one possibility, or that you are seeing something from elsewhere.
Those are the only two possibilities.
In both cases, both sightings that I had, those would be the only two conclusions you could come to.
Either way, it is a big story, and eventually, I think we're going to get to the bottom of it.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
How are you doing, Mark?
All right.
This is Kazuki in Las Vegas.
Yes, sir.
Sunday, 4.30 p.m., this lady was just talking about a sighting.
I had five witnesses.
I was out at the Jacuzzi, a huge boomerang-shaped, without Soft edges on each end.
It had sharp edges, squared off.
Object was sighted in the western skies above Las Vegas.
It was black.
It was boomerang shaped.
I got five people to come out of their apartments and witness it with me.
I asked them all, hey guys, go grab your video camera.
Anybody get footage?
Nobody had a video camera.
I said, anybody got a camera?
Nobody was willing to run in and get a camera because this thing was totally unbelievable looking.
Planes were flying under it.
It appeared to be at least 50,000 feet up in the air.
It appeared to be about a half mile in diameter.
We sat there and watched it for 15 minutes.
After this thing was just sitting there for about 15 minutes, it started to slowly rotate.
As it did that, we watched it for an additional 15 minutes, and it slowly started to move up in the additional 15 minutes.
up and to the left a slight bit until it finally disappeared from sight a half an hour later.
I called Nellis Air Force Base.
They said they didn't get any reporting of it.
I called the local news and they said they didn't get any reporting of it.
Unbelievable.
Hopefully tonight, I'm going to listen in.
I hope somebody else will call in if they saw this.
It was unbelievable.
Well, there have been a lot of recent sightings in Las Vegas.
Yes, there have, sir.
There has been a rash of sightings here.
I've seen quite a few UFOs in my time, but this thing was absolutely humongous in broad
daylight at 4.30 p.m. on a Sunday.
on Sunday.
If anyone has seen this object, Art, I would appreciate them calling in your program, because nobody else seems to have seen it.
I called local, like I said.
Okay.
Well, I did the same thing when I had my sighting.
Thank you.
I called Nellis, too, and got no help.
Some California bases trying to get radar confirmation and all the rest of it.
And they wouldn't even admit the military jet that preceded this object that I saw.
So I'm not sure what to tell you.
Sightings appear to be very much on the increase right now.
And I can only tell you I wish I knew what they are.
I don't.
I have no idea.
All I know is there's a lot going on in our skies.
That is inexplicable.
Things that should not be there should not do what they apparently seem capable of doing and the number of sightings is increasing.
Now what does that mean?
Does that mean we have something radically new that we're testing?
Or does it mean there is an increasing number of visits from people who are operating craft that are from elsewhere or some other time and that the The reason for the increase in sightings has meaning?
That something is about to occur?
I don't know.
I'm curious, like all the rest of you.
I just know it is occurring.
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We'll be here.
And that'll be the beginning of Halloween for us.
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Caller-driven entirely.
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So if you've got one, you're going to want to begin to recollect it about now.
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And I suspect Friday evening, Saturday morning will, to some degree, will continue with that.
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Now back to the phones.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Good morning.
Art.
Yes.
Let me turn the radio off.
Please.
The reason I'm calling, this is Barb in Ohio.
Yes.
I got my Web TV.
Oh, yes.
Got my keyboard.
Uh-huh.
Everything is hunky-dory.
Good.
Okay.
The reason I called, there was a deal on the news about China.
Have you heard about it?
Which deal?
That they were, people were committing small crimes and they were shooting them.
You mean for the body parts?
For the body parts.
Ah, yes.
I heard it on the news and I didn't know if you had heard about it and that's what I wanted to call and tell you about.
Alright, I'll tell you what, I'm going to turn it back on you and I'm going to ask you a question.
Alright?
Let's say that you had terminal liver problems, and you were dying, and you were on your deathbed,
and you could pony up $10,000, and you could get a liver.
Okay?
Now, I'm your doctor, and I'm sitting by your bed, and I'm saying, you're dying.
I'm sorry, there's really nothing we can do for you, and we can't seem to get a liver here in the States,
but overseas, we can get a liver for you for about $10,000.
What do you say?
Mm-mm.
I wouldn't do it.
You wouldn't do it?
You'd die?
I would die.
You would die?
I wouldn't, no.
Not at any cost.
Why?
I couldn't take another life for me.
Now, you know, if the person had already died... Well, now, you might not know, though.
You might not know.
I mean, you're lying there dying.
And the doctor isn't going to tell you, look, this is somebody who ran a traffic light in Shenzhen somewhere and they're going to be shot and their liver is going to be delivered to you.
The doctor is just going to say for $10,000 we can get a liver from, you know, overseas.
I wouldn't do it.
You wouldn't do it?
No.
I've got a cure for cold.
You do, huh?
What?
mashed potatoes? Well I eat mashed potatoes and my cold isn't cured.
Do you eat a lot of it?
Well, how many do you have to eat?
I don't know.
I fix about a four quart thing full of mashed potatoes.
Four quarts of mashed potatoes?
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I'll bear that one in mind.
Thank you very much.
I, of course, have a cold.
And I come in with four quarts of mashed potatoes, my goodness.
You'd have such a problem after you ate four quarts of mashed potatoes that you probably wouldn't notice you're cold.
Art, about the common cold, remarked, I've given a lot of thought as to why the medical world has not grown at nearly anywhere the rate the world of electronics and computers has.
What did one scientist say?
We were progressing at a rate of 1 for 44 Regarding technological progression way back ever since the 40s and it most likely increased as time continued.
That is a very good question, isn't it?
We have not yet cured the average common cold, says Art Bell as he continues to suffer the aftereffects of his cold.
And yet technologically, as a matter of fact, you know, I've got a fax here indicating that They believe computer chips will be operating soon at as much as 1,500 megahertz.
1,500 megahertz.
Think about that now.
Top of the line now is about 266 megahertz, something like that.
200 MMX, that kind of thing.
But they're talking about 1,500 megahertz clock speeds.
And we still have not cured The common cold.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello, Art.
This is Nick from Whidbey Island.
Hi, Nick.
I would like to tell you, I know you normally don't like to do this because it's sort of a limited interest.
This is a ham radio story.
Can I tell it?
Yeah.
But it has a little different twist.
Well, Saturday morning, Sunday morning, and Monday morning, and one night last week, I think it was Wednesday.
Yes.
My friend and I were talking on 10 meters.
Okay.
We were a ground wave, and we started to get some old bubbling or burbling in our communications between us.
Yes.
It finally got to the point where neither one of us could understand one another at all, and we're less than 40 miles apart.
Interesting.
So I did some asking around, and some people thought it might have been meteor showers, but I've been a ham for Not quite as long as you have, but about 27 years, and I've never heard anything like it before.
Okay.
I'm not familiar with any meteor shower that we had.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen.
What, of course, you could have experienced, if we did have a meteor shower, was some backscatter, which would begin to distort the signal tremendously.
This must have been the grand idea, but that isn't the end of the story.
During the time that these episodes were going on, we had malfunctions of electrical equipment on both ends.
I had a malfunction of a tape recorder, which I recycled and recycled and tried to get to go into the record mode.
Not only wouldn't it go into the record mode, but the pinch roller would not engage.
That's a mechanical function.
Right.
The electronic part of it, of course, was going into the record mode.
My friend had his nephew there who was staying at someone else's house and didn't know anything about what we were going through, and they had, at the same time that we were going through this, a computer and a stereo quit.
Interesting.
Interesting, indeed.
I appreciate the comment.
Any other hams are welcome to comment.
I have experienced, from time to time, some very unusual things with regard to ham radio.
Now, I spent a lot of time on 75 meters, which is a lower shortwave frequency than 10 meters, obviously, the one he was talking about, a longer wave, if you can think of it that way.
I've heard something that I can't explain, and maybe another ham out there somewhere can.
But I've heard an echo of my own signal on 75 meters.
Now, generally propagation on 75 meters, although it can be long distance, generally isn't.
It's generally regional in nature.
In other words, when operating on 75 meters, I might typically talk to people from where I am here in Nevada, as far away as, say, the state of Washington.
Now, there are exceptions to that.
I might talk to the East Coast.
I might even talk to somebody at a great distance.
But generally, it's a regional band.
And I've, from time to time, noticed when I un-key my microphone, I will hear an echo of that click.
You know, an echo of the click, an immediate one.
And I've even heard an echo of my last syllable.
In other words, as I let up on the mic key, I heard an echo of my last syllable, a rather loud echo.
And this phenomena will last for anywhere from a half an hour to an hour.
Every time you let up on the key, you will hear the last syllable or the click of your mic return to you.
Now, the easy explanation is that the signal is going all the way around the world, and you're simply hearing the time difference.
But I don't buy that explanation, because at those times, the band has not been long.
In other words, I'm not hearing people from a great distance.
I'm just hearing people at a regional distance.
Now, what could possibly return a 75 meter signal within about a half a second?
I would say a half second to a second.
What could do that?
What could that signal be reflecting from to give you that kind of an echo?
I have no explanation.
None.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yes.
Mr. Bell?
Yes.
Okay.
You had a guest on your show last week, that woman that was very, very anti-Christ.
Oh, you mean the witch?
Right.
Her name was Harlot.
Okay.
In the Bible, by the way, in Revelation, it speaks about Babylon the Great, the mother of Harlot.
Yes.
Anyway, I wish you'd give me at least five minutes.
I'll try to be brief.
All these things originated in the Old Testament.
Anacromancy, enchantment, spirit of divination, witchcraft, soothsaying, sorcery, and the laws of Moses, the great prophet.
This was an abomination in the Old Testament.
not the New, the Old Testament. And the penalty was extremely severe, even less of life for
people who practiced these things.
Well they burned them at the stake.
Okay, now the thing is that they're very anti-Christ. Now I don't have to defend Jesus because Jesus
was absolutely indestructible. He dealt with demoniacs during his earthly ministry and
he recognized only one power in this universe.
Evil has no power.
Jesus recognized only God's power.
Well, he was not indestructible.
We destroyed him.
He rose, certainly.
Yeah, God raised him from the dead.
Yes, but he was not indestructible.
We destroyed him.
Well, I'm not sure that it is.
Thank you.
God raised him from the dead, the grave couldn't hold him, he's alive anymore.
My point is this, that he heals all manner of diseases, sin, sickness, death and disease,
only by God's power.
But this is what bothers me, why is the United States of America becoming such a terrible
anti-Christ country?
Well, I'm not sure that it is.
Thank you.
I'm not sure that it is.
I don't think that you should draw a conclusion based on the views of a single guest.
Bye.
Now, is there a general movement in that direction?
I don't know.
Is there a general movement away from God?
The belief in God?
I don't know.
There are those who would say church attendance is up, not down.
That we are becoming more spiritual, not less.
So I don't have those answers, frankly, but I do certainly agree that the interview that I did with Patsy, or Harlett, as you will, was extremely disturbing.
I think that she believed every word she said.
In other words, insofar as you can declare somebody to be the genuine article, she was that.
And perhaps some of you did not hear of the last hour of that program.
But one of the most disturbing parts of that interview occurred toward the end.
And she had had a five-year-old child who had been killed by her ex-husband.
We didn't learn the manner of the killing.
But she alluded to that fact that her five-year-old had been killed by her ex-husband.
And Patsy was square with the idea that she's going straight to hell without passing go.
That she is hell bound.
She has embraced Satan and says she's going to hell.
And so I asked her toward the end of the program, but you know, Patsy, what about your five-year-old?
Your five-year-old surely being innocent and being killed by your ex is going to heaven, not hell.
So you're going to be in hell and your five-year-old is going to be in heaven.
And she said wrong.
Before my five-year-old was killed, I took steps to ensure that my child would go to hell, and I found that to be one of the more disturbing things I've heard a person say in my entire life.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Yes.
Wow, it's good to talk to you.
I'm glad I got through.
Glad you did.
And I've enjoyed your show.
I'm a relatively new listener.
Your show was referred to me three months ago, and I've listened Very intently for a long time here, and there's a lot of things that have happened in my life that I guess I would like to share briefly with you.
About a year ago, I guess the best way to describe it was, I think I had what people would call a revelation.
In what form?
Well, I guess it would be, the best way to describe it would be that I had a type of a spiritual awakening, and I looked at the world A lot differently after this incident had occurred.
Well, I mean, was it a dream, a daytime occurrence?
What?
It was actually an occurrence that happened over the course of about two weeks, and it was awake for about that entire period.
I didn't sleep for about two weeks, at least I felt like it.
Okay.
And since that year, I've really looked at things a lot differently.
A lot of things that I want to talk to you about Because I've heard a lot of the things mentioned on your show.
And a couple things I just want to draw comparisons about.
I heard your listener the other night, the woman who was satanic, and a lot of different issues.
And I read your book, and there's a lot of things that seem to all tie in together.
And I've never really been a big person to study the Bible.
I've read some of it, and I've studied some of it, mostly of late.
But it seems to me that you can draw a lot of comparisons from what's written in the
Bible to what you see in the world today.
Some of the most interesting things in your book correlate with what I saw in the Bible.
Part of it was being your description of a global government, a global economy.
You mentioned briefly in your book about people taking a microchip in their hand.
Sure.
You just had a wonderful example of the global economy.
I mean, there's a hiccup in Asia, and all of the world's markets go tumbling, and then come back.
No question.
And I guess what you describe as the quickening, I have seen and felt happening in my life very profoundly.
And I've really developed quite an interest in researching a lot of different things, and I've learned quite a bit.
The only thing that I cannot say that I'm uncertain of, is what's driving it, whether man and the choice that men make is driving it, or whether a creator is driving it.
I haven't made up my mind about that, and as another sort of side and interesting note with regard to the interview with Patsy, another disturbing aspect of the interview of Patsy, was that she was clear about her choice.
She worships the devil.
She said, I'm going to hell, I know it.
I'm comfortable with that.
She said, it's the people in the middle that are really going to do the suffering, those who don't know what they believe in.
I think I'm probably to some degree in that category, in the middle.
I'm unable to embrace anything specifically without hard proof.
In other words, you've got to have faith no matter what you believe in, whether you believe
in God, whether you believe in the devil, whatever it is, it requires faith, a leap
of faith, if you will.
No question, and I think that's part of what happened to me a year ago is that happened
to me.
I felt that faith, and I think I came to some realizations in my life.
But some of the things that I've been able to look at in the world and see where it's
Can you hold on through the break?
Sure.
Alright, fine.
I would like to talk about this a little bit.
Fascinating topic.
We'll be right back.
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The devil went down to Georgia.
He was looking for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind, but he was way behind.
He was willing to make a deal.
When he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, boy, let me tell you what.
I guess I shouldn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
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Anyway, let's go back to my caller who had some kind of revelation in his life.
You're back on the air again, sir.
Okay.
So, what was the nature of this revelation?
Well, it's very hard to describe, and it's, I guess, The best way to describe it is, I felt my level of awareness go up.
I think you pointed out in your book, the quickening of increased level of spiritual awareness.
I think if you look at the collective consciousness of the people of the planet.
You must be on a portable phone.
I am.
Is it causing static?
Yeah, you're humming.
Hardline.
Okay, yeah.
If at all possible, let this be a lesson to all.
When you call, get on a hardline phone.
Unless you've got some sort of digital.
Otherwise, when you move around, you get a little hum.
It's really weird.
Anyway, increased spiritual awareness, eh?
Yeah.
I think I felt that firsthand.
I was not aware of hardly any of this, of what you would call the quickening, until about a year ago.
Then I really started to become aware of a lot of these different things.
I looked at the world a little bit differently, and I saw what was occurring in the world a little bit differently.
Personal conclusions as to what is occurring, and I think one of the things that I do believe that's new to me that I don't think I could prove it, but there's definitely some things we could talk about.
You've had people mention the global economy and the New World Order and all those different things, and I think that there's very much a lot of truth to that.
Of course it is.
I mean, we just had quite a demonstration of the global economy, didn't we?
Yeah, we sure did.
And I think what it really boils down to is, I hate to use the word, but I think there is a conspiracy of man to rule the world.
And I personally believe that goes against God's law, where we're here to serve God and Man is kind of evolving into this creature, power hungry or what have you, and there is a... I don't know if it's a group or... Do you think God put us here to serve Him?
To an extent, yeah.
I think we're here to do God's work and learn a little bit about God and learn about Him.
The laws that you study...
And the laws that you keep relate to who you serve.
All right.
Well, look, I appreciate your call, and I'm not certain that I agree with you.
You know, I don't know that I've concluded that we are here to serve God.
We may be here to learn about God, or... Really almost hard to discuss, because it's hard to put words to.
Hello Art.
Concerning what Patsy, the quote, Satanic witch, end quote, had to say the other night, she for the most part was absolutely right.
I'm a Christian, believe every word of the biblical scriptures.
She obviously has knowledge of them.
Satan worshipers will do anything to promote Satan.
I read a short excerpt from the Satanic Bible once, several years ago, concerning sexual behavior.
It basically stated that any type of sex with whomever or whatever is good.
And of course this goes against God.
Now, that I think I have a problem with.
I I suppose there is satanic sex, but I can't think of sex in general as satanic.
I suppose, like everything else, it could be applied There could be a sexual experience that would be satanically inspired.
I'll say that much.
But I can't think of sex as ungodly.
Or did he put us here and give us the ability and the desire and the passion for sex, which seems such a natural thing, to test us, to tempt us, And are we supposed to resist this, and does that mean that any sex that one has outside of the reason of procreation is of evil, is of the devil?
I just can't believe that.
That was from Jeff in North Carolina.
He goes on, although perhaps he has been lied to by Satan after all, He is the prince of lies.
His followers are simply facing a brutal and horrific death at his hands.
I hope Patsy will change sides one day.
Well, Jeff, as you recall, Patsy admitted all of that and said she expects and waits for all of that to occur and is not frightened by it and has accepted it.
And that really is chilling to hear.
From a friend of mine regarding propagation on the shortwave bands, a friend of mine, Bob, up in San Jose says, we have been having both solar activity and meteor showers.
I was on 10 meter FM today, and there was the echo.
There were weird sounds.
And in about 15 minutes, I talked to Japan, England, the East Coast, and all signals were 20 to 30 over S9.
So that would indicate that, indeed, We're beginning to get some weird occurrences in the ionosphere.
And I'm not surprised by that.
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Art, I agree wholeheartedly with your, in quotes, feeling about the cause of global change.
It's very hard to qualify the cause with present attitudes toward the power of thought.
And again, I think that there is a global change going on.
I have thought this for years.
I cannot prove it.
I cannot prove global warming is real.
I certainly cannot prove that man is having an effect on this planet, but I believe that we are.
What are the indicators?
Frogs out there with gazillion legs.
Malformed frogs, frogs with eyes in their throat.
Fisteria, this little new thing that waits at the bottom of the ocean for enough pollution to touch it and then it takes off and begins Putting open sores on fish and it begins affecting people.
I've got a news story in front of me right now indicating that sea turtles, according to scientists, now have massive debilitating tumors.
This is an associated press story.
A fishing boat captain notices a giant sea turtle in shallow water near a stand of mangroves just off the coast.
You've seen them there before, only this time there's something horribly wrong.
The green turtle, as big as the roof of a compact car, is covered with a gruesome growth of gray, bulbous tissue.
The mass, about half the size of the turtle itself, is slowly starving the animal by covering the eyes it uses to find food.
The growth's non-cancerous tumors have turned up In alarming numbers of sea turtles all over the world.
And scientists are scrambling to find a cure while there still are some turtles left to save.
Now this is, um, so serious and just out.
And it's just, you know, the kind of thing that I'm talking about.
So, are you all following me on this?
I cannot prove that man is what's doing this.
I'm not sure anybody can prove that.
But I have a very, very strong feeling, and I'm willing to admit to you that it is nothing more than a feeling, that our presence, our industrial civilization, is causing this.
I don't have an agenda.
I'm not Al Gore.
I don't think that we should all go back to the Stone Age and give up modern civilization, that we should give up our automobiles, That we should suddenly take a big step backward, but I do think we have a problem, and we need to do something about it.
If that makes me a radical environmentalist, then so be it.
I don't think it does.
I think it just makes me somebody who is aware of what's going on around him.
Anyway, we'll get back to the phones in a moment.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Hi, my name's Tim.
Hi, Tim.
I just wanted to talk to you about...
One of your callers earlier this evening that I've heard about and they're talking about witchcraft in the United States today.
Okay.
I wanted to set something straight here with a lot of people.
Not everybody who believes in the science or religion of Wicca believes in the Christian view of Satan as their all power.
There's a lot of us out there who We're in nature-based religion.
We don't follow the... I understand.
Wicca is a nature-based religion.
Basically, you worship nature.
Yeah, exactly.
And, you know, your guest who was on that you did the interview with the other night, unfortunately, I haven't been able to hear that one yet.
I'm hoping for a repeat here back up here in Washington.
You know, basically, for a lot of the people out there, and a lot of the callers who are calling in, and a lot of the response that's been given so far, seems to be reflecting that we all believe in Satan, and... Then you don't?
No, no, as a matter of fact, a lot of us don't.
Do you believe in God?
Yes, I do believe there's a Supreme Being, there's a God, and there's a Goddess.
And a Goddess?
Yes.
It's a polarity thing.
It's kind of hard to explain in the short period of time that we could possibly discuss this.
Okay, but in every other major area of human endeavor, love, where there's love, there's hate.
Where there's joy, there's sorrow.
There's an opposite to everything else.
So why would, if you do believe in a Supreme Being, why would you not believe that there is an opposite?
Okay, what we firmly believe is that Both the female and the male aspects of the deity hold both parts.
I guess you can kind of compare it to the Roman or the Greek patheons, where all of the gods and the goddesses there had both aspects of life within them.
You know, the love, the hate, the war, the peace.
Yes, but you're talking of the human condition.
I have good within me, and I no doubt have evil within me.
Exactly.
All right, and so do you, and so do we all, I suspect.
Some of us disproportionately one or the other, but basically we all have both.
But now, separate that from a Supreme Being.
Now, you say there is a Supreme Being, and that that Supreme Being is, like us, good and bad.
That there is no ultimate good.
The Supreme Being is not any better necessarily than we are, but shares the same I'll consider that.
I don't know.
evil. It's just like we are. If you were to apply this to a Christian view, we're created
in the image of God. Okay. Well, our image has both the clarity of light and darkness
within us. Why wouldn't the Creator as well? I'll consider that. I don't know. I'll have
to think about that. Why would the Creator not, thank you very much, have, let's think
about that, good and evil in Him as we do if we are created in His image.
.
Or her image.
Or their image.
A plural in the sense of the good and evil.
I don't know, I'm going to have to think about that a little bit.
It is one explanation that deserves some thought.
Hey Art!
Haven't you noticed science has not cured anything in the last 20 to 30 years?
They only find treatments.
Scott in Memphis, and a bunch of dollar signs after that.
Basically, Scott, I agree with you.
I really do agree.
Science has not really cured anything in the last 20 to 30 years.
They only have found treatments.
And he ascribes that to dollars.
I wonder how many national or international dollars would be lost if somebody actually found the cure for the common cold.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
I'm sorry, I didn't push the button.
There we go.
Now you're on the air.
Good morning.
Art?
Yes.
You were speaking, I know it's not a religious show, but I was trying to, it sounded like you had some kind of questions about God.
Oh, I've always had them.
Yeah?
I believe.
I'm a big time believer in God, and I thought I had a few things to say that may help you grasp a little bit of what the Word says.
I don't know how much you read the Word itself.
You mean the Bible?
The Bible.
I've read it several times.
Yeah.
It has to be a generation from God itself to understand it?
I think that it's possible that the Bible is not a literal translation, that some has been lost, that it may not be the precise word.
So, that's my answer.
I understand that a religious fundamentalist, probably like yourself, and that's what you sound like you are, would believe every word literally written.
I'm unable to do that.
It requires a leap of faith.
I think that it is probably the word of man mixed with the word of God.
And yeah, you're right, it's not a religious show, but in traditional religion, most of the traditional religions, It is as though we must fear God.
We must fear God.
It's a fear-based thing and I just can't buy into that.
I don't think that God wanted us to fear Him.
That God is a fearsome thing.
I've always had a difficult time with that.
And here's a doctor in Lexington, Kentucky Art, I don't understand why you think we doctors have not yet cured the common cold.
Of course we have.
We simply tell the patients to take the necessary of the steps necessary which will result in the cure.
The patient is to stand in the cold rain for one hour.
Then, of course, he gets pneumonia and that we can treat with antibiotics.
Biola!
Yeah, thank you, Doctor.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, Art, how you doing today?
I'm all right.
Hey, I wanted to ask you a question.
This is really, I really don't know much about this.
I have this scanner that picks up up to the 1,300 megahertz frequencies.
Right.
Can you explain to me how actually certain agencies and government administrations scramble
some of their frequencies as far as like what they're like between their communication systems?
Sure.
And is there any way...
Well, the answer is generally whatever man can encrypt can be unencrypted.
Whatever man can devise can be deciphered.
So there are ways that even the most sophisticated scrambling system can be unscrambled.
It is technologically Difficult and very expensive, but it definitely can be done.
Now, when you do that, you are violating the law, and if they catch you, you will go to jail and spend time behind bars.
Right.
But if your question is simply, can it be done?
Can it be unscrambled?
Yes, with technology and money, it certainly can.
Well, you know, in your area, being around in the Southwest and being around a lot of these military bases, have you ever Pick anything up that you know that you know would kind of give you a little bit more of a thought about what's going on around like Area 51 and that type of thing.
I have a complete list of frequencies used by the Area 51 people and even better than that, thank you, we're coming up on a break, I have a enough of a direct radio shot that I can hear VHF and UHF communications from Area 51.
Yes, I have heard things.
It is against the law to divulge what I have heard.
But in general, the answer to your question is yes.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Alright, anybody who has ever dealt with a phone company should get a chuckle out of the following.
following.
And I want to thank Barry in Tucson for sending it.
In fact, he says if you've ever dealt with telco phone loops, this should create a chuckle for you.
A telco guy buys a rifle and promptly goes to his local shooting range to test his abilities.
The shooting range attendant hangs a target at which the telco guy proceeds to fire six shots at.
The attendant then takes the unhit target down and yells to the telco guy All shots fired or misses.
The telco guy pauses, looks down at his rifle, then covers the end of the barrel with his hand and proceeds to blow off his finger, at which point he yells to the attendant, everything works fine here, the trouble must be at your end.
On my international line, you're on the air.
Good morning, my name's Scott, and I'm calling from southwest British Columbia.
Hello, Scott!
I'm calling for a couple of issues.
Actually, I want to talk to you about the financial thing, but I'm a radio operator, too.
I've spoken to you before.
Okay.
And I'm in the same radio environment as Whidbey Island.
We're not really that far apart.
All right.
What you've got to understand is what happened on the weekend.
We had a mass coronal ejection.
Not unlike the one that you warned us about several months ago that never really materialized?
Only this one hit us, huh?
This one hit us dead on.
In fact, as a ham radio operator, you're aware it was CQ Worldwide Contest Week and it made for really fun things.
But we've had some things happening on HF, the higher HF, and upwards of 6 meters and probably even 2 meters that haven't happened for a long time.
Some rare phenomena that can explain the warbling that he's been experiencing.
I've heard it too.
What's been happening is we've been getting not only a rural back together as you were
talking about, we've been getting a rural sporadic key which is a very rare...
No, that should provide openings up on six meters.
That, pardon me?
I said that should provide openings up to six meters.
Oh, yes.
In fact, I saw reports on the web cluster today of European stations working their Aurora on two meters.
So, that's how high it went.
Wow.
And what now, if you combine Aurora, sporadic E, and the efflare openings we've been getting, you're going to see, you're going to definitely hear warbling.
You're going to be hearing signals coming out from all kinds of different angles.
And even time delays that are going to cause that.
Time delays of microseconds, but enough to make you sound like you're warbling.
Well, I'm in a very happy camper, because I bought a new HF rig not long ago, and I just got a 736R Yesu, and I've got 2 meters, 440, 6 meters, and 1.2 gigs in it.
Not enough power.
I beg your pardon?
Not enough power without amplifiers.
Oh, I've got amplifiers.
I've got amplifiers.
What I don't have yet is antennas for those frequencies, so based on what you and everybody else is telling me, I guess I better get to work.
Well, it's already over with.
Now, I was working 10-meter repeaters in North Carolina from Vancouver area here last night at 2 a.m., so I'll show you what was going on.
Now, the other thing I want to talk to you about was the financial situation of the market.
All right, just before we get to that, why don't people call me when these things are happening?
From now on, somebody out there, call me.
I want to participate.
On to financial things, go ahead.
Yeah, your show last night drove me insane.
I wanted to call in, I just could not possibly.
I love your show normally, but I thought you had a very biased people within.
There was no question about it, they were biased.
I live in Canada, our markets are very similar, but a little different, I'll give you that.
By the way, as a matter of curiosity, Canada is one I didn't follow.
When we had the trouble the other day here in the U.S.
and worldwide, actually, what occurred in Canada?
Well, the Toronto crash, too.
Not as bad.
And it came back fairly well today as well.
Rick, you've got to understand Canada.
We actually have a pretty good economy right now.
We've actually got a balanced budget in Canada.
We actually have a surplus predicted for the next quarter.
Really?
First time in over 20 years.
I've heard that there were great difficulties with the Canadian budget because of your health care system.
No, that's just propaganda that people that are against having one in your country don't talk about.
We have a predicted, we're actually arguing about what we're going to do with the money.
So thereís people that want a health care dividend, want more money spent on education,
health care and others that want to pay down the debt and some people that the opposition
says you should do a little bit both and probably thatís probably the case.
But anyway, I want to get back to you.
In our economy, Iím sure itís the same in the States, with mutual funds are the single
largest part of the financial markets.
And whatís happening here is with our registry retirement savings funds, which I like you
guys call yours. So the same thing essentially.
Most of this money is being automatically debited from people's bank accounts on a weekly, bi-weekly, and monthly basis.
It doesn't matter if the markets crash, go up, go down.
That money is automatically being debited and put into the market every single week.
And there's nothing that any doom and gloom people can do about it.
It's not the same market we had 10, 20, 30 years ago.
Well, you're virtually telling me that our markets are, as the Titanic was described to be, unsinkable.
the markets and this is happening worldwide automatically through the wonders of computer
technology and this is something that you're just yesterday told.
Well you're virtually telling me that our markets are as the Titanic was described to
be unsinkable and I don't know that I buy that.
I'm not saying that.
You virtually are.
You're saying all of it's automatic and the money is going to continue to go into the markets no matter what.
It's going to go where there's value.
It's going to go where there's value.
I agree with you.
Money can move from market to market in a blink of an eye all around the world.
Yes sir.
Hold on a moment.
If you will look carefully at how we value what a stock is worth.
Generally, it's X number of times the earnings of that company.
That's how you value what a certain stock is worth.
Do you agree with that?
That's one part of it.
There's a dividend.
Well, that's earnings.
Potential for takeovers.
All kinds of things.
Okay, but that's earnings, basically.
It all comes down to earnings, right?
Essentially.
Okay.
I think that we've reached a position where the value of the stock for the amount of the earnings was simply too great and there needed to be a correction
and that's what occurred.
Okay, but you have to give it to us.
If there are only so many companies that are so stable, okay, look at your IBMs, your Microsofts,
there are only a handful of companies that are so incredibly stable and predictable,
essentially.
You've got to admit that.
They're fairly stable and predictable.
There's only so many that are like that.
There's a finite number of those companies and there is a large number of investors.
Why are they going to want to put their money?
Because they're paying a premium for stability.
It's going to happen.
It's always happened.
That's why penny stocks are penny stocks and blue chips are blue chips.
They're buying to buy stability.
I wouldn't argue with that.
What I do argue with is your premise, and again I say, your premise seems to be that the money is automatically going to go through the mutual funds into the market, and it's going to be a forever Upward movement.
In other words, in essence, you cannot lose.
I presume you would say as long as you're not into the penny stocks, as long as you're into the good stocks, there are people who believe that I am not one of those people.
And I don't think, in other words, certain aspects of what my guest said last night I believe are absolutely correct.
I am by no means as doom and gloom as some of what you heard last night.
My own personal opinion.
That was the opinion of my guests.
But I don't think the market is unsinkable.
I think, indeed, it is sinkable.
I think it's happened before, and it's going to happen again.
It's a matter of when, and I can no more predict the stock market than I can whether we're ever going to get to Mars with a man.
First time caller in line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
Hi, Haley.
We're going to have to erase that.
And we're going to have to start all over again.
The only rule we have on the program basically is that you can't give your last name.
Okay.
So, we'll call you Haley.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Oxford, Michigan.
Alright.
Welcome.
I'm very interested in your program and I'm tired of chasing you around all over the dial.
I hope that you get an affiliate in the Detroit area before too long because... Well, it's coming.
Trying to listen to you in a station that's coming from Toledo.
Toledo, okay.
There are a couple other stations, too, that I had to chase you around because one fades out and I picked you up on another one.
Such is the nature of propagation, but soon there will be a signal available to you there in the Detroit area.
Fantastic.
You know, one of the things I'd like to talk to you about is the, you know, we were talking about the cloning people with no heads and that kind of thing.
Yeah, I'm afraid that they have cloned already frauds and so forth without heads, so that technology is immediately transferable to human beings.
Now, there may be laws that say we can't do it, but you and I both know if we can, we probably will.
Turn your radio off, if you would, please.
Okay.
One thing that pops into mind when we talk about that is that You know, a clone like that would make a great voodoo doll.
You know, we talked about that book, The Secret Life of Yourself, that you mentioned?
Yes.
And how the blood is connected and how it was picking up the resonance from another human being at large distances.
Well, this voodoo doll thing would certainly coincide with That particular thought.
The thought of toenails and hair and that kind of thing has always been part of that voodoo doll technology.
A human clone, what's going to happen to the individual that the cells originally came from?
They start torturing it and taking the parts apart and using them for transferring to other Well, I'm not at all comfortable, thank you, with the technology.
not at all. In other words, obviously it is going to be possible, they say, to produce
a being to take scrapings from you or a sample of your DNA and produce you, minus a head
and several other things, but the rest of the body would be intact, arms, legs, livers,
heart.
And I'm going to stop there.
And how you would keep such a aberration alive, I don't know.
But they are suggesting indeed it will be possible.
I am not comfortable with this.
And I think we don't understand enough about the human spirit or soul To definitively decide to begin producing these clones for body parts without damning our own souls.
And I know that seems somewhat religious and I know it probably sounds somewhat hypocritical coming from somebody who doesn't really have his strict religious beliefs together according to the standards of those who are born again or whatever.
But that's what I believe.
That we're getting way out ahead of our ability to understand what we are doing.
East of the Rockies, you're on air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
Hello, everybody.
Bear with me.
I was at a Mike Watt show last night, so I'm on the verge of laryngitis.
I can hear that.
And, you know, the collective consciousness never ceases to amaze me.
In correlation to your phone calls you received tonight, Yes.
I've got two things I'd like to read to you.
Oh, please don't read.
If you would like to, go ahead and paraphrase from them, but don't read.
The first one speaks about the level of achievement in any civilization is usually judged by its spiritual involvement.
Technological advancement has been important and attractive, but in my opinion, and many other people's as well, Not overly a primary necessity, and if it detains us, distracts us, and deters from spiritual understanding... Well, that's exactly what I was just talking about.
In other words, here we are ready to produce these beings without heads, without brains.
And I think we have not spiritually evolved to the point that we can understand what we're doing.
Right now, it bears the seeds of its own destruction, and we're witnessing this simple truth in our civilization today, and it seems our spiritual understanding I agree.
We are witnessing progressive depression, confusion of purpose, insanity and total human
inequality.
In respect to what is magic, my belief is those who attempt to use it for evil purposes
have good reason to fear its powers.
Well they do because generally, magic, thank you, if it's real, and I think there is probably
something to it.
Thank you.
When you, according to most people that I've talked to, when you use what we'll loosely call magic, and you cast a spell, or you do evil to others, it will return to you times three, times ten, whatever it is.
I think the Wiccans, for example, believe that.
Karma, vibes, whatever you want to call it.
That it comes back to you times many.
And I think that's probably true.
And also what she said with regard to our spiritual development versus our scientific development is particularly true.
As I just finished saying, we have scientific advancements that we simply are not prepared to make because we don't understand what we're doing.
We don't understand enough about the spirit and about the soul, for example, to produce beings that we would comfortably sit here and say, well, there's no problem with that.
We're just making parts.
These beings have no feelings.
They have no soul.
They have no spirit.
Are we really sure about that?
I'm not.
But I am sure this is Coast to Coast AF.
I'm ready for the time to get better.
I've got to tell you I've been racking my brain Forcing to find a way out
I've had enough of this continual rain Changes are coming, no doubt
It's been all too long time With no peace of mind
And I'm ready for the times to get better To talk with Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM from outside the
U.S.
First, dial your access numbers to the USA.
Then dial 1-800-893-0903.
This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye, with Art Bell.
You know who that is, don't you?
That's Crystal Gale.
And a lot of people, since I played it a few weeks ago, have been asking me to lay it down one more time.
That's Crystal Gale and a lot of people, since I played it a few weeks ago, have been asking me to lay it down one
more time.
It's Crystal Gale.
you.
It's been a too long time with no peace of mind and I'm ready for the times to get better.
There's something about that voice, isn't there?
One of my favorite people, Crystal Gale.
Anyway, good morning, everybody.
Open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
All right, back to the lines.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Oh, I'm so excited.
This is the first time I've ever called you.
Well, good.
You made it through.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Las Vegas.
Las Vegas.
A-X-N-T.
All right.
My name is Carol, and I want to comment about All that satanic stuff that's been talked about.
I read a book once that the theory was God didn't really care about all of us and that Satan was really pissed off that he didn't care because he didn't need our adoration, our love, our dedication.
He didn't need it.
He was omnipotent.
He was perfect.
He didn't need it.
Satan was so upset that he didn't pay attention to us that he came down to live like one of
us and tell God what it was really like and God was like, you're crazy.
He challenged him to do it and he came down as Jesus and did it.
He said, okay, you proved your point but I don't get it.
If they recognize that all there is is love and creation then yeah, okay, they can come
up here and live with me.
That's a...
I've never heard this one before.
It's an Anne Rice novel, and I can't remember the name of it, but that was the gist of the whole balance between them, and God says, you know, you're not welcome up here anymore if you're going to carry on about these people down there, and Satan said, well, you know, if you don't love them, I do, and I care more about them than you do, so I'm going to do everything in my power to make them realize that the only thing is love and creation, When they do that, can they come up there and worship you and live with you?
And he says, yeah, okay, if that's what you want.
I wish somebody would tell Anne Rice that I want to interview her.
Oh, well.
She's high on my list of people that I want to interview, Anne Rice.
I wasn't into all her stuff and once I was laid up I started reading her books and her characters have such passion.
Oh, I know.
That's the only place you get it is in books.
What I would like to understand is where Anne Rice draws this passion from.
Is it the fact that she lives down there and lives some of this?
You know, I heard in an interview that she's like so many great producers of stuff.
It just comes to her.
It comes to her in dreams.
It comes to her.
It's like another voice.
It's not hers.
Even scientists would say They've got a formula in a dream, and even Merle Haggard said, you know, the songs just write themselves.
I know.
I have experienced the exact same thing.
Could it be the book you wrote?
Oh, yes.
I'm puzzling over it.
I'm seriously puzzling over it.
In fact, let me take a... Thank you very much for the call.
Call me again.
Let me take a second out to do that.
As you know, I diatribe frequently against channelers.
I think channeling is I'm going to be kind and I'm going to say I think there's too much room for fraud in the whole concept of channeling.
Okay?
Being kind.
Most of the time, I've got to be absolutely honest with you, I think it's bunk.
However, when I wrote The Quickening, Which by the way, plug plug, you can get in your local bookstore.
All you've got to do is go in and ask for it.
I really do recommend you read that book.
It just poured forth.
Almost unnaturally.
Very nearly unnaturally.
Now I realize the corner that I'm painting myself into when I say all of this.
And it's not as though there have not been years and years and years of talk radio and research and watching the news and paying attention to current events that went into the mix.
But this book, unlike my first book, and I wrote a first book, a lot of people don't know about that, called The Art of Talk, about talk radio, about myself, autobiographical in nature.
The second book, the first book was I had to sit down and actually Think very hard about what I was doing.
In the second book, it just came.
It just flowed.
It just happened.
And I cannot explain that.
I'm not necessarily ascribing it to something like channeling.
I don't want to do that.
I won't do that.
I refuse to do that.
But I will tell you that it just poured forth almost unnaturally.
And I am still contemplating that whole thing.
It was an amazing event to me.
It wasn't like automatic writing, but it was the next thing to it.
Anyway, there you have it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Ed from Madison, Wisconsin.
Hello, Ed.
Hey, I wanted to congratulate you on your book, The Quick Thing, being on the Best Seller list.
Thank you.
I wanted to see if I could jar your memory and appeal to your conscience here.
I'll try.
About two years ago, when you first came on WTDY in Madison, Mike called you from Madison, and a conversation went something like that.
He saw that he was observing the same thing that you were, and he said he didn't know what to call it, but it sounded like the quickening.
After he said that, you agreed with him, and you said, yeah, I really like that, the quickening.
Over time, you started using the quickening.
I do recall a conversation of that sort.
I can't put a name.
I don't know if it was Mike or who it was, but I remember vaguely something like that.
That was my appeal.
I guess that obviously it's kind of late to credit someone for that or anything like that,
but you might want to consider when you ask yourself what's the most perfect thing I can
do in this situation, coming up with an answer for that.
I could if I could remember.
Okay.
I suppose somebody might have said the word or ... I'm sorry, I honestly don't remember.
I vaguely recall, vaguely, only very vaguely recall the first use of that word and it's
I mean, there's another book called The Quickening, by the way.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
By who?
Is it about the same topic?
No.
No, no, no.
It's like, you know, many books carry similar titles, as do movies.
Even songs.
All right, well, keep up the good work.
I like your shirt.
Okay, thank you very much for the call.
I do vaguely recall somebody or my engaging somebody in a conversation and glomming on to that word and saying to myself, boy, does that fit the following or something like that, but that was a long time ago.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, I'm Charles in Hawaii.
Hawaii Island.
Hello, Charles.
Yes, sir.
And I'm talking about making a proposal.
I was trying to call in earlier when the man was talking about energy devices.
Yes.
I have a cheap energy source, and I talked to the Sea Crane Company before, and it's a chip that converts heat directly into electricity.
So if you and he and I could set something up where we'd all agree, I'd wonder if we could demonstrate this chip.
Well, I can't imagine a process by which a chip would directly convert heat to electricity.
Millions of diodes in parallel, and each diode picks up the Johnson noise within itself, and they're all lined the same way by manufacturer, so the rectified Johnson noise is accumulated over all these diodes.
It's the natural background thermostatic you get over radio channels.
So, what kind of energy output do you realize?
This demonstration ship, I go to the fabricators, and this will only make 25 nanowatts, but that's above the thermal background.
So it would be observable on instruments.
Okay.
How would you imagine that this device would become practical?
Well, later on when... In being able to, for example, even produce milliwatts?
Well, when the design was optimized and taken from the microscopic scale to the nanotechnology level, its output would increase.
And I expect an ultimate design limit of 100 watts per square centimeter at room temperature.
You could get 50 billion diodes in a square centimeter.
And I expect a billionth of a watt each.
I can imagine that such a thing might be possible.
I think, though, that what you have just said is that nanotechnology has got to make some advances before the practical application of what you're suggesting you can do would be possible.
Yes?
Well, kind of, except it's a basic design where you just would have pores, and if you could fill the pores with the parts of the diodes and have a common, it's hard to call it a cathode or anode because it's both polarities, in a sense.
You split up the diode and put them in the pores.
If somebody would pay attention to it, it could be done.
It sounds to me like you need to approach some major manufacturer of semiconductors with your idea.
Yeah, except it's not with their processes either.
I think it would extend from the academic community to things going into production from there.
The chip that I could have sent to C-Crane is already made.
It's a hundredth of an inch on the side.
Well, you're certainly welcome to send it to the C-Crane company and I'm sure they'll
test what they can of it.
But again, thank you very much for the call.
Go ahead and send it, but it sounds like there are going to have to be advances in nanotechnology Technology, certainly, up-and-coming technology, before there's going to be a practical application, before you could get enough energy to run anything.
You know, a radio, or some very low current device.
But that would be enough, I think, to start us off in the right direction.
The first time somebody can actually come up with something that, in essence, pulls energy out of the air, or converts a thermal temperature, like room temperature, Directly to energy, as you have suggested you can do, and you can demonstrate that, then we're in business.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
This is Chris in Las Vegas.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to make a comment on the lady you had on who was a satanic subject.
Oh, yes.
My opinion is, right or wrong, good or evil, That was great radio.
Oh, it was.
That made great radio.
You know, it's a funny thing.
A lot of people warned me ahead of this show, and they said, you're really going to get in trouble for doing this.
You're really, really going to get in trouble with all of the religious folks out there for doing this.
But a strange kind of thing occurred after the program.
The religious people He generally faxed and emailed me and said it was the best thing you could have done for religion.
It was the most enlightening, frightening hours of radio that I've ever heard in my whole life.
I suppose that's one way of looking at it.
Have you ever heard of Skeptic Magazine?
Of course.
Do you refer to the Skeptical Inquirer?
No, it's called Skeptic Magazine.
It's very, very good.
I picked up the latest copy today.
Big topic is, can God be proved scientifically?
Very, very interesting reading.
Kind of falls along the lines of what this lady had to say.
These people, I guess, call themselves skeptics, but I call it healthy.
You want to cover both sides of it and make an opinion after you've heard both sides of it, not just one side of it.
I wonder myself if there will ever be a way to technologically prove the existence of God, and if there is, what effect it would have on humanity, socially, what effect it would have on us.
Exactly.
Can you imagine?
Yeah, and that's why it will never happen, for that reason.
It's a panic, I guess, that would set out.
Oh, I don't know.
I think that it would cause a great change.
I'm not sure it would create a panic to realize that there is a creator.
It might modify a little behavior out there.
Sure.
Healthy.
Exactly.
Or, imagine the opposite.
Again, referring to Patsy or Harlot.
I suppose instead of technologically proving there is God, we first are able to technologically prove there really is a devil.
Right.
Now you're talking about some really serious behavior modification.
I'm somewhat like yourself.
I'm in the middle ground.
I'm not going to say yes this way or no that way.
Yes.
However, I listened to that program that night in the dark, which I do.
You know, I'm in bed, late hours, laying in bed listening to your program in the dark, and it scared the heck out of me.
I know.
I had the same reaction.
And I recommend listening to any of your programs in the dark.
It intensifies what you have to say.
It just does.
All right.
Thank you very much, my friend.
I reacted to that program the very same way.
Believe me, the very same way.
Patsy's vocabulary, some commented, may have been wanting a little bit.
But you had to look past that, and you had to listen to what she had to say.
And once you did that, if you did that, if you were able to do that, and I was, then I think you had to come to the conclusion that she absolutely, positively, firmly believed every word she was saying.
She wasn't putting us on.
She wasn't being pretentious.
She was being, in fact, boldly honest with us.
And it was a frightening show.
And so I guess that led to a little bit of speculation there about the scientific proof of the existence of the devil.
Now what sort of sociological implications would that have?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Going once.
Are you there?
Yes, I am.
Oh, you are there.
Okay.
Where are you?
Hello?
I'm calling from Leak City, Texas.
Leak City, Texas.
All right.
We'll turn your radio off.
Radio's off.
Good for you.
Proceed.
Hello?
Oh, we already did that part.
Hello?
Yes, I can hardly hear you.
It's like the telephone is jammed.
Can you understand me okay without any static?
Sure.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and talk for just a minute because I can barely understand you.
I've been trying to get into your show for quite some time to get a couple of things off my mind that I knew that possibly you or your viewers would understand when I talk to people around me that I'm around from day to day.
Well, I'm on radio so I don't have a lot of viewers.
I have listeners.
That's okay.
I've experienced in my life a couple of things I've seen I couldn't understand.
One, when I was in my younger days, I saw seven objects in the sky, and they were traveling from the north to the south.
I first noticed one of them, and like an inquisitive young man, I thought it was a satellite.
I told some of my friends about it.
So what did you conclude?
Do what?
late in the evening, looked up in the sky and they saw it.
We got to looking and right behind it was another one, and behind it was another one,
and behind that was another one.
It ended up being six, seven objects in a row, all spaced out the same, traveling about
the same speed, and they all looked just like satellites.
So what did you conclude?
Do what?
What did you conclude?
trying to call Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City.
I was living in Oklahoma at the time, and they said they didn't see anything, but they had other people report it.
All right, well that, my friend, is a typical sighting.
Believe me, you see something, you call an Air Force base, and they generally say, no, we didn't see anything.
Or, yes, there have been some reports, but we don't investigate those things anymore.
And I've always thought, you know, if things are violating our airspace that are seen by all kinds of people, why don't they investigate those things anymore?
Wouldn't that be a violation of our airspace and national security?
Be right back.
Oh, my God.
To talk with Art Vell, from East of the Rockies.
Dial 1-800-825-5033.
That's 1-800-825-5033.
Now, here again is Art Bell.
Once again, here I am.
Good morning, everybody.
It's great to be here.
It really is great to be here.
Here's an interesting fact.
Hello, Art.
I would, uh, I'd say I'm number five.
I call myself number five because I was in Escondido.
I was the fifth person in line.
And stayed there all night, outside the Barnes & Noble bookstore, waiting for you and Ramona to appear for the book signing.
It's the first time I had ever done anything like that.
And I might add, it was well worth it.
And quite a bit of fun, actually.
A couple of questions, and a request.
Say hello please to number one through number eight from number five.
So he was there all night long.
Thank you.
And he asks about my hand.
Well, my hand was swollen up.
I have never signed for so long, so intently in my entire life, and my hand was a massive swelling.
And that remained for, it's just now kind of getting back down to its natural size.
It was an amazing, amazing experience.
And I'm glad to have done it.
But I must also say, I'm glad that it is now over.
And whether I ever will do another one or not is in question.
But it was fun.
I really enjoyed meeting people, including you, number five.
And I'm honored that anybody would take the trouble, as so many did, to actually camp out there all night long to be early in the line.
Thank you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello?
Is this our bail?
Oh my... I finally got through!
You cannot hold back the righteous might of the new revelation not after what you've perpetrated, you filthy beast!
How dare you rebuke the word of the Lord!
How dare you glorify a rebel in the devil the way you did!
I am so disgusted by you and what you have done to the airways of America!
The fact that you sit there and blatantly worship and love the devil, it's disgusting!
I don't worship the devil.
Yeah, well, at least she has the tenacity and honesty to come forward and show me her face as the enemy of the Lord.
At least she can do that and not claim to be a remote viewer or a Native American.
She, now wait a minute now.
She claimed, she claimed to worship the devil.
Not me.
Well, you get because you are a coward.
You will not admit the fact that you worship the Satan.
No, I don't.
And the fact that this whole stock market crash was orchestrated by the Canadian invasion.
And the fact that we had that evil, evil man from China in there.
Don't you remember what happened in Chinaman Square where they rolled over all those poor gooks in the middle of Chinaman Square and killed them and shot them down with tanks and guns?
Do we really want that in America?
That was Tiananmen Square.
Tiananmen Square.
It's all the same to me!
It doesn't matter!
We are adopting policies!
Look at Waco!
It's the same damn thing!
And you!
And all the Satanists and the New Agers out there!
And all you blasphemers!
Yes, the righteous mind of the New Age will crush you down!
You know what, you know what, I'm actually glad, I'm glad to hear you're still alive.
I was actually concerned for you.
I have been trying to get through, and you, you, you, who have made an attempt upon my life, would not allow me to get through.
Now wait a minute, now wait a minute, that's entirely new.
What do you mean, I made an attempt on your life?
My brakes on my truck were cut, and I checked in not too long before I went out, and when I took them to the mechanic, He said that they were not cut.
He said that I was instantly out of floor.
But I know what happened.
They were cut and he was working with them inside the conspiracy and he reattached it before I could get the chance to prove that there was an attempt made on my life by the New World Order and the famous Canadian invasion.
And speaking of the Canadians, the fact that there is no Canadian aggression, you must be by saying that there is no Canadian aggression.
It was a prelude to an invasion!
I did not cut your brake lines!
I did not cut them!
You!
You!
Yes, you did.
I know that it has to have something to do with the New Revelation and the New World Bankers that are trying to stop the New Revelation and the Satanists.
Because you blatantly, you have the Satanists on there.
You have them on there.
You have the Native Americans, which is really, they are just Satanists.
Why do you call yourself KC?
It's time for a Purge!
I want to know why, I want to know why, I want to know why you call yourself KC.
What's that?
Why do you call yourself KC?
Call us toll free at 1-800-618-8255.
No, you can't do that.
You're not allowed to give your last name on the air.
You know you're not allowed to give a last name on the air.
Well... Let's modify that.
Your name is Jonathan Christian, which is your middle name, right?
Correct.
Alright, now we know why you call yourself JC, but don't you think that's a little presumptuous?
I can't even get a word in edgewise.
Why do I need a last name?
You can't get a word in edgewise.
It's time for purge, Art.
It's time for a purge.
A purge of what?
A purge of the Satanists, and the devil worshippers, and the people in the New World Bankers.
It's time for a purge.
It's time to bring back the state.
Yes, I said it.
It's time to burn these people.
Burn them at the stake.
You will never get me on the stage!
Never!
You will never get me on the stage!
You will never get me out of this stage.
It's time to fire the ovens for the queens and the queers and the reds and the jews.
All of them have to go.
Oh man. Now wait a minute.
You want to repeat that one?
I said it's time to fire the ovens, the queens, and the coons, and the reds, and the satans, and the jews, and all those who want to bring America down!
And you claim to be a godly person and you're ready to burn up homosexuals, you're ready to burn people of different skin colors, you're ready to burn people of different religions?
I'm here to clean the face of America!
There's nothing righteous about what you just said.
You know what you are?
You're nothing but a lousy little bigot hiding behind God as some sort of righteous protection for your lousy views.
You know what I think?
See, look at you! You glorify Satan as you denounce the new revelation!
You know what I think? I think you sound just like Satan.
No, I don't!
I have the love of the Lord!
Love of the Lord, my butt!
Love of the Lord, my butt!
You've got love of the Lord and you want to burn people?
Anybody different than you want to burn them up, huh?
Those who denounce and renounce the word of the new revelation, who stand against me, you will go to hell!
It's people like you, it's people like you who give God a bad name!
Wrong!
It's people like you who give America a bad name.
What right do you have to put satanists on the air, or remote controllers, or remote viewers?
I've been trying for months to get through to you.
Hey, you know what?
That satanist, that satanist that I had on the air, you know what?
She sounds like a kitten compared to you.
Wrong!
Wrong!
She's a toga cat demon witch!
But at least she has, at least she has the tenacity to come forward and show her face as my enemy.
Well, I thought she was rather blatantly honest.
Now, I certainly don't agree with her, but I certainly don't agree with you.
And you know what?
I'm so shocked at what you said tonight.
To me, you sound like Satan yourself.
No!
No!
I am not the Satan!
I want a purge in clean America!
Purge in clean America?
Is your middle name... Are you J.C.
Adolf?
Who's that?
Adolf?
Adolf Hitler?
You sound like Adolf Hitler.
Hitler!
Get the ovens ready!
Burn anybody who's any different!
I'm talking about, I'm talking about the state!
The state!
We must return to the state and burn the witches and the heretics!
Those who spit in the face of the new revelation!
People like you!
Who want to destroy America!
You don't understand what it's like on the front lines of this war!
Alright, well that's enough.
I was going to say it was good to hear that J.C.
was still alive.
But I don't know, after this little display tonight, I really am shocked.
Now maybe he just got himself too worked up, but I thought the real Jay-Z slipped through there for a moment.
What did he say he was gonna... He wanted to burn the blacks, the homosexuals, the Jews, me, and a bunch of others.
Anybody, uh... Oh my.
Oh my.
All this godly preaching that JC has given me over the months and now even the years, and he wants to burn anybody that he considers ungodly?
or doesn't agree with him?
Praise the Lord.
Pass the ammunition.
First time caller of the line, you're on the air.
I'm so glad.
I would love your program.
And you know what, I thought JC said he wanted to burn the remote controllers, and I'm thinking, I hope he doesn't burn all of them.
He meant remote viewers.
I know.
I'm too lazy to get up and change my TV.
I don't want him to burn all of them.
Well, I'll tell you, he shocked me tonight.
That guy's nutty, isn't he?
Yeah.
I'll tell you something.
I have something just really trivial to ask you.
I'm calling from Shreveport, Louisiana, and whenever we get your program, it's midnight Central Time.
Well, that's when it begins, because it begins at 10 o'clock Pacific Time.
That's what I was thinking, and the music that you use as your introductory, your first music, I love that, and I haven't been able to find out what it is.
Will you tell me?
Well, it's a secret song.
Now, let's be sure we know what we're referring to here, alright?
Okay.
Yeah, that's it.
That's it, huh?
That's it.
I've been trying for months to find out what it is.
It's a secret?
Secret song, yes.
Oh.
No, it's not really.
It's called Midnight Express.
And it's from a movie of the same name.
I saw that movie.
Okay, if you go out and get the soundtrack to the movie Midnight Express, it'll be on there.
Okay.
Alright?
Alright.
Well, yeah, okay, I'll do that.
You know, that's not the only reason I called, but I've been trying so long to get through just to ask you that one simple question.
I'll tell you, all of the things that you have on, all your music is great.
And I don't know what any of it is because I'm too old to have, you know, really been there when it was going on.
And I run around saying, listen, listen, I recorded this.
What's this?
What's this?
And everybody says, I don't know.
I don't know.
I have the same trouble.
A lot of times I will hear a piece of music that I want to use as bumper music and it drives me absolutely insane.
So I will start calling people I know at the various record companies in Las Vegas who
are experts and I will try and hum a little or sing a little to them and about half the
time I get what I'm looking for and about the other half I get something totally different.
Well if I do that everybody just looks at me and goes what?
When I try to hum.
But I asked my daughter when I said listen you've got to listen to Art and Bill because
you've got to tell her that song is that she said mom I listened and I don't know.
That I tried really hard to get through to you before Thursday to ask you please not
to have that lady on your program because I was worried about you.
No, it was fine.
It was fine.
Actually, it was very useful.
I mean, unless you're JC.
You know, after listening to JC just now, I bet he's the kind of guy who beats the devil out of his kids, you know?
You know something?
I wouldn't.
I don't really associate J.C.
and Christian in the same breath.
Well, I don't.
It's J.C.
that's... I thought that, as Christians, what we're supposed to do with people we don't agree with, who may be wrong or bad, pray for them, love them, and, you know, not beat them up or burn them up or whatever.
Well, J.C.
prays for them and then puts them on the stake and wants to burn them.
Well, you know, I'll bet you there's going to be a whole bunch of those people he doesn't like up in heaven.
I always heard that there's going to be Well, I heard something the other day that I might relate to you now.
The first one is going to be you are going to be real surprised at the people you thought
would make it and didn't.
You are going to be real surprised at the people who did make it that you didn't think
would.
The biggest surprise is that you made it yourself.
Well I heard something the other day that I might relate to you now.
It involves somebody, J.C.
I hope you are listening, who thought they were going to heaven but instead ended up
going to hell.
And when he got to hell, he was talking to the devil after he'd been there for a while.
And the devil said, uh, welcome to hell.
Uh, it's really, it's, it's not so bad here.
Uh, let me tell you about hell.
On Mondays, uh, have you gambled?
Are you a gambler?
And the guy said, well, yeah, you know, I've gambled.
He said, well, then you're really going to like Mondays because Monday's a gambling day down here.
And the devil said, um, how about sex?
Do you like sex?
And I said, yeah.
Well, then you're going to love Tuesdays because Tuesdays are sex day down here.
And he went on and on and on with each individual vice until he finally got to Fridays.
And the devil said, uh, do you like having sex with people of the same sex?
The guy said, no, of course not.
The devil said, well, you're really going to hate Fridays.
So, I've got a feeling that there's a little cosmic joke waiting to be played on people like JC at the very end.
But, you know, who knows?
Oh, well.
I think he's kind of spoofing us, don't you?
I mean, he's not really for real.
Well, I would say yes.
I'd be tempted to say yes, but JC has been pretty consistent Over a period of just about a year now.
I haven't heard from J.C.
in two or three months.
It's been that long, but over a year, every time he's called, he's been consistent.
Well, I thought at first maybe he was sincere, but then when he mentioned the Canadian uprising, that kind of threw me, because I guess we live too far south, but I haven't fought a Canadian in a long time.
The Canadian invasion plan is what he's referring to.
Invasion plan, okay.
That was something that I made up to have fun with, and J.C.
has picked it up.
Okay, well I guess I missed a lot.
I don't know, maybe I missed it.
Alright, well listen, thanks very much for the call and one time I actually put Jaycee on as a guest and I let callers ask him questions.
But tonight he really outdid himself.
I didn't realize that he had so much hatred in his heart for so many different groups of people.
Homosexuals, blacks, really anybody of any other color.
People any different in any way, he was ready to burn.
Purge in God's name.
I'll tell you, there's a lot done in God's name, isn't there?
Maybe too much done in God's name.
So I waver between thinking J.C.
is an act, which he may be.
He may be a big act.
Who knows?
But the guy has been consistent over a very long period of time.
This one's for you, Casey.
He doesn't have a fair shot.
He has no fear in his heart.
Well, if the thunder rains, he'll be down there.
Come on, baby, don't you dare to reach for the sky.
Don't you dare to reach for the endless sky.
Don't you dare to reach for the thunder man.
You know it, I've been so blue.
You know it.
I'm over you.
You've found someone new.
And gonna make my breath blue.
I'll be fine when you're gone.
I'll be fresh on that lawn.
Baby, if I'm truly through, To talk with Art Bell, from west of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, dial 1-800-618-8255.
That's 1-800-618-8255.
Now again, here's Art.
Here I am.
This is so nice and comic for me.
That's 1-800-618-8255. Now again, here's Art.
Here I am. This is so nice and comic for me. Crystal is after Jay-Z.
I didn't mean to treat you bad.
Didn't know, just what I had to do.
Crystal?
That's the kind of voice she has.
Anyway, good to be here this morning.
That's the kind of voice she has.
Anyway, good to be here this morning.
See, JC, I'm already over you.
Sort of.
All right, again reflecting, I guess I can't get away from it, on JC a little bit, wanting to kill all the Jews and the blacks and the homosexuals and me and several other groups that I've forgotten about already, burn them at the stake.
The things done in the name of God, Gonna drop that great big bomb over there.
Gonna drop that hydrogen bomb.
It's all been done in God's name.
Wars fought in God's name.
Swords plunged through bellies in God's name.
There's been a lot of stuff done in God's name, huh?
J.C.
just took it a step or two further.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, how you doing, Art?
Well, this is the first time I got through.
I can't believe I got through.
Yes, where are you?
I was listening to J.C.
and he sits on the Canadian Invasion.
I know a lot of Canadians and they're real nice, so I don't fear Canadians.
Hey, I know this one guy that works on these sci-fi shows in Spokane, Washington.
Yes.
And he would be great to be a guest.
He did a show that takes place in a small town in Washington State, Rosalio, Washington.
Kind of a play on Roswell, New Mexico.
And I was wondering if you'd like his number to get a hold of him.
Well, you're welcome to send it to me.
You can't give it to me here on the air.
Okay.
Yeah, I've tried emailing you his name and number.
I don't know if you got it or what.
Well, you know, for some reason AOL over the last day or two has been having trouble with their email.
That's where I get my email.
It's several months ago, like during the summertime.
Oh, I see.
Well, try sending it again, but you better wait about 24 hours because they're having some kind of trouble with their email and I can't Seem to get it even to all lists for me, so I'm not sure what's going on.
We'll see.
Okay.
Send it to me again.
Okay, and it's really nice to talk to you.
I've listened to you for a long time.
In fact, he got me into listening to you.
I also listen to some of your archive shows in real audio, which I also really enjoy.
Okay.
Well, thank you.
Thank you very much for the call, and by all means send me the information on the man, and I would be glad to have a look.
I will interview, as I prove all the time, nearly anybody who is interesting.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Steve from South Dakota.
Hey, Steve.
I haven't talked to you since last July.
It's been a while.
Since the Phoenix event, as a matter of fact.
Yes.
I went down there, and I met Richard, and I met Ken Johnston, and Vance Davis.
Oh, yes.
And we talked some data, talked shop, and had a great time in that stratospheric environment.
Rich to be able to go down there and, you know, talk with these people.
Excellent.
And I met Keith Rowland.
Oh, you did?
Down there, yeah.
That's right.
And Keith, if you're out there, hi.
He's out there.
Yeah.
You guys did one heck of a job with that split-screen technology.
Wasn't that something?
That was amazing, huh?
That was really, really something.
But I had to call and say hi and, you know, welcome back from your vacation.
Oh, it's good to be back.
I better never know.
Thank you, sir.
All right, take care.
You'll never know how good it is to be back.
I have done... I meant to say something about that.
I've done entirely too much traveling.
I am sick of traveling.
I am staying home now for a long time.
I'm going to enjoy staying home, looking at familiar surroundings, talking to people who speak my language, And eating food that I am familiar with.
Things like hamburgers.
American things.
The one complaint that I have about going to foreign countries is food.
I am hopelessly addicted to American food.
And I am absolutely convinced that most people in Europe don't have a hint of how to cook meat.
Particularly in France, I might add.
And I might add also the Italians.
The Italians and the French don't have a clue how to serve and cook meat.
And so, in a lot of ways, I'm very, very, very pleased to be home.
And if I don't have to do any more travel for at least a number of months, I'm happy.
West of the Rockies, your first time callers.
Area 702-727-1222.
Julie, we've got to start all over again, I'm afraid.
That's right.
I can't say my last name.
No, you can't say your last name.
So let's start again.
Your name is Julie.
Yes, just a minute.
Okay.
Waiting for something here.
Okay.
It was just a surprise to get in touch with you.
I understand.
Okay.
I wanted to address a couple of the issues that you've been talking about tonight.
Okay.
One thing is the question of Whether there's a Satan, and I believe that there is a God, and that God is male and female, but like it says, God is all good, and in Him is no evil.
You know what JC would say about you?
What?
Put you up and light the fire.
Well, no, that's not good.
I mean, you said God is male and female.
J.C.
wouldn't like that.
He would put you up on a stake and burn you.
Oh, well, that's just somebody's opinion.
To me, also, if I want to know the truth, I can meditate on it or pray about it, but I can't use my mind.
Because my mind is going to tell me like five or six different things, and so I need to use my spirit.
Give me an example.
Know the truth, for example, about what?
Well, like what if I should make a decision to move somewhere?
Okay.
If I meditate or pray about it and I have doubts or fears or things like that, or questions, A lot of times I get insights then into what the right thing is.
I'll just get suddenly an idea of what the right thing is and I'll just know it deep within me that it's the right thing.
Okay, but that may not be a divine revelation.
It may be your mind, I know you will argue with that, internalizing even subconsciously You will come up with an appropriate answer through
intuition or whatever other word you want to apply to it, but your mind subconsciously will go
to work on the problem and give you an answer.
Now, that's one point of view.
The other is you pray and God gives you the answer.
I'm not sure which occurs.
Yeah, I don't know.
Some people say, well, I know that I get a gut level feeling about what the right thing
Sure.
And I just know it is.
And it turns out, yeah, right to that minute, that was the right thing to do.
And to me, that's the answer then.
And that's how a lot of times I'll find answers through other people.
Like, I'll pray about something and then somebody will just say something to me.
And I'll say, wow, that's the answer.
You know, that's what I need to do.
And so I think that I believe that God works in all different ways to give us guidance if we are truly seeking what the right thing to do is.
And it could be our minds.
And I think in the Bible it says something about discernment of spirits.
You know, the only thing that's ever bothered me about this, though, is everything we don't Or if somebody dies very young, and there's no apparent reason or rhyme to it, and it's a tragedy, what we end up saying in the end is, well, God works his will in mysterious ways, and we have to be satisfied with that answer.
No, not at all.
No, because we are a part of God.
We are spirit.
See, that's another thing.
Somebody said we are made in the image of God.
God said, I am light.
So we are the light of God, and yet the light in us has been clouded over, because we have also, of our own free will, decided to follow, at times, not God, but the darkness in the earth.
So then we bring that darkness into the light within us, and that clouds, and that confuses That spirit in us, but if we continually, totally try to follow the light and the pure energy and the good energy that we feel, then we become more and more of God and are able to give that to other people.
Alright, but what I would argue is we don't need God to be good.
Now that's heresy, I know.
from a lot of people but most people understand basically intrinsically what is right and what is wrong what is good and what is evil what is proper treatment of another human being and what is improper treatment of another human being and I guess you could you could suggest that when somebody does the right thing it's driven by God and when they do the wrong thing it's driven by the devil But you could just as easily suggest that we as human beings understand intrinsically, those who are mentally balanced, reasonably, what is right, what is wrong, what is good, what is evil.
Now, is that necessarily connected with God?
No, not necessarily.
It has to do with free will and our basic understandings, our basic humanity.
That depends on your belief system.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Is this on?
It is.
Oh, dear Lord, it is a very, very great honor to speak with you this morning.
Well, glad you called.
I'll stay away from the metaphysical topics and the economic topics.
I just wanted to give you a little bit of insight about your little respective color, JC.
Well, actually, metaphysical and economics, they're very similar in a lot of ways.
Very, very similar.
Anyway, what about JC?
The disturbing phrase or string of comments that he did make a few moments ago, which obviously disturbed you very seriously, it's very surprising to me that someone who claims to be such a fundamentalist Christian would lift, directly, verbatim, almost word for word, that string of sentences or that sentence, those phraseologies, those rather bigoted statements, from such a secular source, of all places, Roger Waters' infamous classic, King Floyd the Wall.
I don't remember exactly which track it is.
Second CD.
It's called Waiting for the Worms.
Talking about firing up the ovens, turning on the showers, disposing of the excess portions of our rice.
Very odd source material for this character, don't you think?
Well, I think he's a very odd character.
I do.
I do seriously agree.
And I vacillate between thinking he's an actor and he's for real.
I'm leaning toward thinking he's for real.
He's been doing this too long.
In some respects, the way that he is somewhat blowing his cover and blowing his top a little bit too frequently as of late... No, I'll tell you something.
Sometimes before the program or after the program, I will sit here and I'll answer some lines.
Particularly... I wondered if you did that.
Yeah, I do occasionally.
You know, I do.
And inevitably, J.C.
has been dialing until his little godly-driven fingers are raw.
And he has not gotten through.
Well, yeah, that's right.
Anyway, when he calls me privately after the show or before the show, he's exactly, exactly... Equally as intense?
Yes, sir.
Oh, that's extremely disturbing.
It is.
It is because I'm afraid I'll meet him somewhere in a dark alley or something.
I suppose it's the height of paranoia on his part.
Not only the Canadian conspiracy, but his brake line's being cut by you.
Yeah, I cut his brake line.
Like, I don't even know where he is.
Like you'd want to know where he is.
Basically, you can just refer to me as NX601, near Nashville.
Long time listener, first time caller.
Hope to have you around with us for a long time.
Hope the planet remains around for a little bit longer.
Keep J.C.
away from me.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
See you later.
First time caller of the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey, Hart.
How you doing?
I'm all right.
Yeah.
Thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
I was wondering, I've heard of this theory that like the elite stage the various apocalypses, and the way it works, There's like these three guys that deceive or trick this one guy, and the one guy is kind of like the archangel or the fallen angel, like what Adam is.
That would be Christopher Walken.
I don't know.
I mean, I heard this ten years ago.
I'm joking.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Well, anyway, in a lot of the biblical stories and even ancient myths and Greek and Roman and ancient Egyptian Things we see where there's this common pattern where one guy is approached by three other guys, like Abraham and the three angels, or Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, these three guys that walk in the furnace, and below there's a fourth who's like an angel or son of man.
Well, supposedly, these three guys are somehow like martyrs or something like that, or human sacrifices, and then the fourth guy, He's like this guy who lives on or something like this and he becomes like Adam.
Yes.
And it's something like this is this whole thing of the war in the heavens was that it was staged by the elite and it's kind of set up all along for this fourth guy to eventually rise and subdue the other three.
Okay, I want you to do something for me.
Sure.
I want you to go out to the local video store that you have wherever it is and rent a movie called Prophecy.
Okay.
Alright.
Was it similar to this?
Yes.
And after you've seen Prophecy, call me back.
Alright.
Also, like in the Apocrypha, there's this thing that says the four beasts, or four kings, who rise out of the earth, and that one is diverse and different from the other three.
Yes.
And he'll rise and subdue the other three.
Yes.
Do you think there could be something to this?
As an explanation of like the Garden of Eden?
That this rebirth of the world Or whatever, is really in the hearts and minds of man.
You are asking me a question I cannot possibly answer.
Yeah, but the Garden of Eden was actually staged by the elite.
I think I've got the picture, but thank you.
Again, you have asked me a question I cannot possibly answer.
Could there be something to it?
Yes.
I cannot answer that in any other way.
Yes, of course, there could be something to it.
Is there?
I don't know.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
How you doing, Art?
Okay.
I'd like to apologize being a Christian for that man, I believe his name was J.C.
You heard J.C., huh?
Yeah.
He's quite a bundle.
I'm sorry, what now?
I said he's quite a bundle, isn't he?
Yeah.
It's bad when you get people like that on the air and try to speak that he's speaking directly from God and under the influence of God.
People get the misperceived idea of how Christians truly are.
Let me quickly I know you don't have a lot of time.
Let me quickly state the reason I'm calling.
I've heard a lot of Bible bashing and a lot of people that are incredible skeptics when they don't have all the facts.
I used to be an atheist, an atheistic materialist, until I ran across a book called The Creator and the Cosmos by an astrophysicist named Hugh Ross.
The book basically states how the greatest scientific discoveries of the century revealed
God.
I studied this book and I studied what they call Christian apologetics, which is dealing
with on a purely scientific basis proving the Bible and proving God and how there is
advanced medical and science knowledge in the Bible thousands of years in advance of
the time that most people basically aren't aware of because they immediately brush off
the Bible as mythological writings by a group of men that sat in a room and thought up these
ideas but if I could quickly give three little short scientific things that are quite fascinating
recent discoveries.
They've got to be awfully fast because the program is ending.
I'm sorry, what now?
The program is ending so it's got to be real fast.
Okay.
Let me get it right here.
All right.
There is an astronomer called David Harris from Toronto, Canada that's found in the book
of Amos.
It says Amos 5.8, seek him that maketh the seven stars in Orion.
The King James Version translators confirm that Amos' original Hebrew statement about
the seven stars referred to the constellation Pleiades.
The translators rendered this verse as he made the Pleiades in Orion.
Early translators were puzzled by the verse because there are only six stars that can
be seen with the naked eye in the constellation Pleiades.
But let me guess, they found a seventh.
There is exactly a seventh star in Pleiades.
It's so dim that only modern telescopes can detect it.
Alright, I'm going to have to leave it because the program is over.
Tell everybody goodnight.
Alright, goodnight America.
Take care.
Alright, that's it.
We're out of time.
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