Dr. Brian O’Leary, NASA’s Apollo-era astronomer and author of Miracle in the Void, argues free energy tech—like zero-point energy and cold fusion—exists but is suppressed by oil industry interests amid a 50-year one-degree global warming rise, while dismissing mineral-driven space exploration. He critiques NASA’s Mars secrecy, citing unphotographed Cydonia anomalies, and acknowledges astronaut UFO reports but rejects conspiracy claims about Hubble repairs. Callers debate extraterrestrial sightings (a half-mile Las Vegas object, 1989 South African "alien interview"), cloning ethics, and whether science or spirituality drives civilization’s trajectory, with Bell noting eerie, unexplained phenomena like ham radio distortions and his own "unnatural" writing experiences. O’Leary’s skepticism of mainstream priorities and O’Leary’s warnings about vested interests underscore a deeper tension between suppressed innovation and humanity’s spiritual reckoning. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones stretching from the Tetian and Hawaiian Island chains all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole and worldwide on the old internet.
This is Coast Ghost AM, and I'm Mark Bell.
Great to be here.
We are going to take a trip with an astronaut tonight, Dr. Brian O'Leary, and we will talk of many, many things.
As a matter of fact, we'll talk actually about Mars.
We'll talk about free energy, UFOs, consciousness, the quickening.
We'll talk about astronomy.
We'll talk about literally about anything you want to talk about.
The news headlines, of course, are that Wall Street came roaring back today with over $1 billion in volume, which means, in my way of thinking, that it had to be the little guy in there.
Now, how much of that was spurred by the Fed intervention at the beginning of the day and whatever else they did, who knows?
337.17 points.
In other words, about two-thirds of what it lost the previous day.
And if this is kind of like it was in 1987, there's going to be volatility in the market for the next few days.
It's going to be probably way up and way down.
And only time will tell.
I gave up predicting the market years and years ago.
Additionally, Asian markets are up strongly.
They rebounded strongly Wednesday morning in obvious relief over the recovery of Wall Street.
Now, the one thing that is very, very interesting is that the world appears smaller this morning.
You know, I've known for some time, and I wrote in my book, The Quickening, about the interconnection economically of the world.
That has been a fact for some time.
Now, whether we eventually move toward a political connection in the world, which generally follows an economic connection or an economic change, economies change first, politics changes later.
And that, of course, occurred in what once was the Soviet Union, and we believe will occur with China.
As their economy improves and changes and liberalizes, their politics will eventually follow, if not this generation, then next.
So a very good question is whether it is a good or bad thing that we are so interconnected in the world, economically and eventually politically, and I would suspect most of you would think not.
But that there could be a hiccup in Asia, in Thailand, or in Hong Kong, which are comparatively tiny, tiny economies, tripping such a big reaction on Wall Street.
Whether that's good or not, I think deserves a little bit of thought.
Whether we can change it, I have great doubts.
Coming up in a moment, Brian O'Leary, Dr. Brian O'Leary, who received his Ph.D. in astronomy from the University of California in Berkeley in 1967, and since has published over 100 peer-reviewed articles in the scientific literature, in planetary science, and astronautics.
He has served on the faculties of Cornell California Institute of Technology, University of California at Berkeley, and Princeton University.
He was a NASA scientist astronaut during the Apollo program and was deputy team leader of the Mariner 10 Venus-Mercury television science team.
Over the past 10 years, Dr. O'Leary has researched, lectured, and written extensively about new paradigms of science and global transformation.
He is co-author of the International Association for New Science and author of Exploring Inner and Outer Space and the Second Coming of Science, claimed by Marilyn Ferguson, Gary Zukoff, Murray Albertson, Willis Harmon, and others.
He has been advisor and speechwriter for presidential candidates and has appeared on major media as a scientist expert.
Dr. O'Leary's most recent book and third in his new science trilogy, Miracle in the Void, Free Energy, UFOs, and Other Scientific Revelations.
His story is based on recent world travels, visiting zero-point energy inventors, and scientists who appear to have the answer to the need for clean energy sources.
His highly acclaimed book has had three, count them now folks, three printings, is being published in Germany and Japan, and we will indeed tell you how to get it as the program proceeds.
As a matter of fact, if you'll get out of paper and pencil, we'll tell you how to get autographed copies of his book.
He also gives lectures, seminars, and workshops worldwide on new science at such places as the Eslin Institute.
So coming up in a moment, Dr. Brian O'Leary.
Let us begin.
Now we go to Hawaii, all the way to Hawaii, beautiful Hawaii, and Dr. Brian O'Leary.
I just, as you know, returned from Egypt and Israel and Italy and Greece and all over the place, and I was gone for quite some time, and I brought back with me a cold, which I'm suffering with at the moment, so I hope you'll bear with me.
My wife and I, as a matter of fact just about everybody on the cruise caught it it was one of those things that we shared yes those things can happen and I just got back from England and the same kind of thing oh really you caught one too perhaps as a an astronomer as a scientist astronaut one who was slated to go to Mars as a matter of fact you could explain to me how we could go to moon the moon even contemplate going to Mars and
we still fly on airplanes and come back with terrible colds.
unidentified
Yes, well, we all have our human foibles, and we all have our drawbacks.
Is there a possibility, do you suppose, that at times we focus science in esoteric areas that are interesting, certainly, but ignore some of the more basic needs we have, like the common cold or some of the things that we should be working on scientifically here on Earth?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, I think that's true, yeah.
Yeah, we all have our foibles.
We all have our weaknesses.
And yet at the same time, there also exist these concepts like free energy or consciousness, physics, water purification, sustainable resource management, natural healing, spirituality.
There's a checklist of possibilities that exist, I think, and these are the kinds of things that I think are going to change the world.
And there are many people with ideas and claims and even machines that they demonstrate at various functions that occur, you know, to demonstrate free energy and that sort of thing.
And yet, still, as of tonight's broadcast, we have yet to have one free energy toy that one can call up an order and play with, much less something practical like a little box that will supply the energy for your home or something that will drive your car without fossil fuels.
Or, you know, I mean, in 40 or 45 years, all the fossil fuels at present rates of usage are going to be gone.
unidentified
Exactly.
Well, Art, I think in this case what's happening now is that we're at a point of quickening, to borrow a phrase from your book.
We're at a point where the Wright brothers have already flown on this one when it comes to free energy.
It's just that the credibility hasn't gotten there yet.
And so we're at this very interesting point where the concept has been demonstrated time and time again.
Good morning, America, so forth.
However, it's going to be another few years before the concept becomes credible to the American public.
Let's roll over, Doctor, what they did on Good Morning America.
Not everybody saw that.
It was a very, very interesting demonstration.
And I recall that they showed that they could, for example, cause radioactive elements such as waste to deteriorate and eventually, or even fairly rapidly, become harmless.
How did they do that?
unidentified
Well, this is a technology based on so-called cold fusion, which is a very interesting concept.
It's one that has been explored by a number of researchers.
And my sense of it is that, yes, radioactive waste can be rendered harmless through this technology.
Well, okay, here's something that I don't understand, and I was talking about it the other day.
Again, at present rates of usage, the experts say we've got 40, 45 years of oil left, usable, producible oil left for the world.
That's not very long.
Are we going to use up every last drop, more or less, before we will?
unidentified
We're using oil like drunken sailors.
Yeah.
We're drilling the living daylights out of the North Slope, the one remaining caribou sanctuary, for just another half a year of oil for the United States.
Is it just at the theory stage, or is there real proof?
unidentified
I think there's proof.
Certainly the mean temperature of the Earth has risen a degree over the last 50 years.
Most climatologists agree that El Nino has been created by human intervention and global warming.
And therefore, it's called the greenhouse effect.
In other words, the carbon dioxide that's a byproduct of various processes of burning fossil fuels has raised the mean temperature of the Earth somewhat, enough to have created these nonlinear effects that we're now beginning to experience.
And I think that most people will agree that this has indeed happened.
And therefore, we're going to need to develop alternatives.
Well, I know the president has had a lot to say about this lately, but then the critics come back and say there really is no proof.
As a matter of fact, there are those who will say the Earth is actually cooling and we might be moving toward another ice age.
unidentified
Well, that's possible.
We certainly have these different interpretations, but the fact is that the measurements that have been taken do indicate that the Earth is warming, and the El Nino is unprecedented in its strength.
Your Ph.D. is in astronomy, and my favorite question to ask somebody like yourself has always been, and maybe always will be, until I get an answer I understand.
You believe, do you believe, how do you believe everything got started?
Was it a big bang?
Was there one little tiny dot of energy that exploded into everything that now is?
unidentified
That's an amazing question, and that's one that some astronomers like Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan believe that it all happened with a big bang 15 billion years ago.
And I happen to think that that's partially true, but not the whole story.
Because our consciousness, just our ability to create out of nothing, and that's really what my whole story has been about, Miracle in the Void, that's my book.
In other words, there's more to the story than just that.
I was appointed to go to Mars when I was 27 years old.
And maybe that will happen.
But whatever, Mars is obviously a very interesting destination.
And there are these anomalies in Sidonia that have still not been photographed, even by the Mars Global Surveyor, which is in a highly elongated orbit around Mars.
In other words, we would still like to find out what's going on in Mars.
And obviously, there are interesting features that need to be looked at.
Do you think that the present missions to Mars are going to resolve those questions?
unidentified
I hope so.
That's certainly the pressure that Professor Stan McDaniel and I and others have put on NASA to see if we can get to the truth of the matter of the features on Mars, the face and so forth, that are obviously anomalous and very strange.
I'd like to allow the audience to ask you a couple of questions.
And I'm going to take a pause here for a moment, and we'll let the audience do that.
So if you have ever wanted to ask anybody who was in the Apollo program a question, or if you have questions about energy, particularly zero-point energy, so-called free energy, about Mars, about any of the things that Dr. Brian O'Leary speaks on, why come now.
And the phone numbers, first time callers at area code 702-727-1222.
The wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
And east of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
The Doctor's visit this evening is going to be short.
We will have him back, of course, for a longer visit.
But coming up in a moment, your question.
All right.
Once again, Dr. Brian O'Leary from Hawaii.
And Doctor, we've got a few questions for you.
First time caller line, you're on air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
unidentified
Yes, Dr. O'Leary, I've been intrigued by the biblical perspective of remote viewing for you and all of we've heard remote viewing.
And what do you agree with interview eyes?
Oh, very much so.
In fact, that was the first experience I had while I was in the physics faculty at Princeton.
I had a remote viewing experience, and so it certainly is, I'm very familiar with it.
Wildcardline, you're on the air with Dr. Brian O'Leary.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi, Michael and Riverside.
I was thinking that perhaps most of our investment in space travel and exploration has been towards the bottom line as unlikable as it is, that we're really just there prospecting for a wealth.
And that's another reason why we wouldn't be, NASA wouldn't be particularly interested in drawing attention towards anomalies which might interfere with a greater Sutter's fork type operation.
In other words, you're suggesting the goal of the space program was in fact prospecting for gold or diamonds or uranium or whatever might be worth a lot of money.
There's been quite a few, just between us, I've learned about some of the oil companies are changing some of their tactics on, say, for example, gas stations.
They're selling out of gas stations.
They're getting rid of their holdings, if you will.
And I was just wondering, do they have some kind of inside information about what they're going to do in the future as far as its free energy, that type of thing?
Because apparently some of the oil companies are putting a lot of money into these modules.
They're supposed to be like a giant capacitor where it stores up energy and then dumps as you need it.
In other words, instead of doing things the traditional way, eventually, perhaps with rockets that burn fuel, with medicine that blunderbusses its way into our bodies to make changes, with radiation and chemotherapy and all the rest of it, there may be alternatives you're suggesting to all of that.
unidentified
Exactly.
there are new approaches to science that are totally different than before.
And some of them have to do with consciousness.
Just our ability to change things in the material world, whether it's healing or Right.
And if they want a personally autographed book, they would send a check for either $25 for Miracle and the Void or $59 for the New Science Trilogy to Dr. Brian O'Leary.
And if they do that, they'll get a personally autographed copy of Miracle in the Void or the New Science Trilogy, all three, depending on what they order.
Then there is one other possibility, and that's with Visa or MasterCard.
And the prices are the same.
You will not get an autographed book, but you can pull out your Visa or MasterCard and make one call and get it on the way.
I think Dr. Brian O'Leary and myself are both suffering from a cold.
I'll tell you, I'll say it again.
We go to the moon, we contemplate going to Mars.
We work on all kinds of esoteric things like free energy, contemplate the state of the world, what I call the quickening, and still we have not conquered nor even made significant progress with the common cold.
And believe me, I have tried every cold medicine devised by man thus far, everything they get on the shelves that promises relief and gives sort of a temporary mere shadow of what the promise is.
In other words, we still have to suffer the common cold 10 days.
10 days at least.
And then, if you're a smoker like myself, no doubt it's going to linger a little longer.
I don't know that there is proof that there is global warming.
I can't document the fact that we are one degree warmer, nor are we colder, nor are we headed toward an ice age, nor are we about to disappear in a puff of greenhouse gas.
What I think I do know, and this is not scientific, it's just my own conclusion that we are affecting the weather, that we are affecting our environment.
I don't think there is any question about it.
Look at the cities.
Look at the changing weather patterns.
Look at the pollution.
Look at the ozone, which is well documented, the ozone depletion.
All of that is very well documented, and all of that is, I believe, a product of human presence and industrial modern civilization and the burning of fossil fuels.
So I believe it's true.
I don't think that there is evidence that is absolute.
It's kind of like talking about secondhand smoke, in a sense.
And by the way, that's a very poor parallel because I don't happen to believe in the effects of secondhand smoke, so I don't know why I use that.
But they use it.
And so I'm sort of giving this to you weakly.
I don't have proof.
I just think that there is a human effect on the present condition of our planet.
Anyways, we talk about a subconscious mind, and if you just use affirmations and visualizations, like you give your mind a problem, and you actually assist, and you think as if you accomplished it already, it comes to happen in your life.
I will be puzzling over something, and I'll think about it and think about it and think about it, and I'll go to bed thinking about it, and I will give myself that problem to resolve during the night.
And I'll be darned if by the next morning, generally, I have not resolved the problem.
Is that what you mean?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
Like, that's part of it.
I mean, he talks a lot more about, like, accomplishing goals, though.
It could be a problem, you know, like a lot of artists and scientists, they use this kind of thing.
And if there is a problem in front of me, whether it's an electronic problem, a computer-related problem, I will go at something until I either fix it or break it, if you follow me.
I'm that kind of person.
In other words, you can't tear me away.
It's like I won't let it get the best of me.
But there are times when, despite my best efforts, I finally get tired and weary, and I can't work on the problem any longer.
So what I do is I go to bed, and as I'm going to sleep, I kind of work over the problem in my mind.
And about nine times out of ten, the next morning, I wake up, and within about an hour, you know, one cup of coffee and a cigarette, and I walk in, and what had taken me hours the previous day, boom, is solved just like that.
And obviously, I want to work on it during the night.
So yes, I believe in that, and I use it.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Yes, this is the first time I've ever called, and I recognize your voice.
Actually, my dad reads all these screwy newsletters and whatnot.
And the one thing I was going to mention, you know, to get a kind of a full, a balanced perspective on it, what you may want to do is check out some of Warren Buffett's books and Louis Rutkaiser's newsletter because they have a totally different take than this world is coming to an end type deal.
What is their take?
unidentified
Well, their take is that Warren doesn't really pay attention to what the analysts say.
I think over the next week or two, there's going to be an awful lot of volatility.
And I'm not saying that we're in for a crash, but if you examine history and you look at the crashes, generally there's been a big dump, followed by a big recovery, followed by a big dump, big recovery, and then a bigger dump.
So I'm not saying that's going to happen because I don't predict the market anymore, but I would be wary.
unidentified
Well, ironically, I got a chart about three weeks ago in the mail from my dad, who's into Deutsche Marks and German bonds and all this stuff.
And actually, I think given an opportunity, I still wouldn't.
I think that I will watch it over the next week or two.
And it's going to be very volatile.
It's going to be up and down and up and down, and I have no idea where it's really going.
My guess, and what I told my financial advisor when I got out, was that I thought there was going to be about a 15 or 20 percent correction at some point.
That's certainly not doomsday.
It's just a correction.
And I think if you look at a lot of the earnings reports that the present levels, or certainly the levels we were at a couple of days ago, were not justified.
Do I think the correction is over?
Probably not, but that's just a guess on my part.
As I said, I have given up predicting what the market is going to do long ago because I found generally what I would predict for any given day, the exact opposite would occur.
As a matter of fact, it got to the point where my own advice, I would sit down and think about it.
And if I simply reversed what I thought would happen, that's generally what occurred.
Shooting stars do not last in the sky for an hour.
And then there's one thing that shooting stars never do.
Falling stars, meteorites, whatever you want to call them.
They never sit still.
You see, these are objects re-entering the atmosphere at tremendous speeds, generally burning up with various minerals and chemicals so that you can observe a specific color as they re-enter.
They do all of that, but one thing they don't do is sit still.
So whatever it was you saw definitely was not a meteorite.
But I certainly heard about it.
Linda Howe reported on it.
unidentified
This is Coast to Coast AF.
To fax Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nine, dial area code 702-727-8499.
It is, and here's a nice fax from Korea, all the way from Korea.
It's from an attorney there, and his name is Thomas, and he says, hi, Art.
It's great hearing you on the internet at a reasonable hour.
It's 4.20 in the afternoon as I type this.
Just a quick question and comment.
If you listen to what you're saying, meaning me, it's essentially, I have faith that there's global warming caused by humans because I see it, but can't prove it scientifically.
My question is, how would you distinguish between global warming caused by human actions and global warming caused by natural climate effects?
Especially given the what's this word?
I can't even read his word.
But the variety of human weather records for the past several thousand years.
The answer is, I guess, Thomas, I can't distinguish that and I don't think anybody can right now scientifically.
I just am giving you my feeling.
I have no way of citing evidence to suggest that what man is doing is causing a lot of what we are undergoing right now.
Increased strength of El Nino, basic weather changes.
I can certainly cite pollution in the cities as a problem.
I don't think anybody can argue with that.
Can I argue that global weather changes are occurring as a result of the burning of fossil fuels?
No, but I think it's true.
So I want to be careful to distinguish here that I can't, and I don't think anybody right now can offer absolute evidence.
They have computer models and all the rest of it that seem to suggest that the burning of fossil fuels is causing a greenhouse effect or a beginning of warming on the Earth.
And I think that it's true, but I can't prove it.
So I want to distinguish that.
And I want to be very careful about that.
I want you to understand that I'm not saying it is so.
It is just my feeling that it is so, that what we are doing is affecting our own planet.
That's all.
Anyway, we'll get back to the lines in a moment.
Tomorrow night, Brad Steiger is going to be here.
In the spirit of Halloween, which of course is now just around the corner, we will begin tomorrow night with Brad Steiger, who will scare the heck out of you.
And then the following evening, we will do the traditional ghost-to-ghost show.
Now, for those of you who have never heard it previously, it is one of the scarier things you will ever hear.
We don't have a guest.
What we do is solicit from our audience real ghost stories.
If there's anything I've learned over the years, or I believe that I've learned, it is that we are definitely, as Danion would say, spiritual beings.
That our existence does not end when our physical life ends.
And there is a phenomena associated with the ending of some life that appears to leave a residue or appears to leave a trapped spirit.
Whatever you want to call it.
Ghosts.
Entities.
Spirits.
And so what we do is take calls from the audience, real calls, real ghost stories.
And it is one of the scariest things you will ever hear.
That will occur the following night.
Tomorrow night, Brad, and then the next night, ghost to ghost.
And that may well carry over to Friday as well.
Because, of course, the actual day for Halloween is Friday.
But the predominance, the predominant larger portion of the show for me is Thursday night, Friday morning.
In some time zones, as a matter of fact, it's entirely Friday.
So we will do Ghost to Ghost on Thursday night, Friday morning, and then follow it up Friday night, Saturday morning, no doubt, with a little more.
But if you've never heard it, you're in for quite a treat or a trick or a treat.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This is Debbie from Catalina, Arizona.
Hello, Debbie.
I just wanted to call and tell you that for about the last four months out here, there are some strange things flying around in the sky.
And there was something there I didn't understand that while I was waiting to get on your program right now, maybe I figured it out, but I'll ask you about it anyway.
I think you asked him or David or he said that no one could kill him right now because they'd have to wait 20 years.
And I was wondering what was meant by that.
And then I figured, well, maybe if he had gone 20 years in the future, what would happen if somebody killed him now and he had gone 20 years in the future?
Well, it may be that he went 20 years into the future and saw that he was still alive.
And if that was the case, then that would in effect prove that nobody could kill him or that he was not going to be killed or was not going to die between now and that time.
If you have a comment on it, you're certainly welcome to make it.
I think that people tend to make much more of Freemasonry than there really is.
The Freemasons do a very great deal of good works.
And there are many people who suspect conspiracy and evil doings on their parts.
I am not one of those.
First time caller line, you're on air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
My name is Eileen.
I'm calling you from the western part of Arizona.
Okay.
And what I wanted to discuss was something that happened in this area approximately May 7th.
A friend and I were out.
We do go swimming every evening.
And I had heard a lady ask a few months ago as to whether anyone else had ever experienced anything when there was some real bad inclement weather.
And we were deciding whether we were going to get into the pool or not because we had had a micro burst out on the lake.
And of course, we had no idea what was going on.
It was just very windy.
And this, it looked like a very large plastic bag, black plastic bag, that was headed toward the lake.
It was almost like undulating, no lights on.
And that's what it looked like.
And the wind was blowing from the north to the south.
And about 15 minutes later, one of the friends left, and there was another friend with me, and we looked up, and here this was, about 40 feet over the house.
No lights, going very, very slow.
I had my cell phone out with me, and I called the police, and of course, they tried to tell me that maybe it was a remote-controlled airplane or something.
No sound.
But on the bottom of this were four circular orbs.
And there was one in each corner because it seemed, it almost looked like it was triangular.
And then one in the middle.
And I was so glad there was someone here because I was sure my husband would have thought I was just absolutely crazy.
But I didn't know whether anyone else had ever seen anything.
It didn't look that large.
It looked like maybe, of course, you know, you're so nervous.
By the way, there is going to be a Discovery Channel special coming up on the lights over Phoenix, anatomy of a sighting or something like that.
It's called something like that.
And that's going to be coming up soon, and you're going to want to see it.
All I can say to you and everybody else who sees something like you just say you saw is when you have seen something like that, and I have now twice seen things that I absolutely cannot explain, it will change your life.
You now know that something exists that is either many, many generations above what we claim we have, our own technology here on Earth, as one possibility, or that you are seeing something from elsewhere.
Those are the only two possibilities.
In both cases, both sightings that I had, those would be the only two conclusions you could come to.
Either way, it is a big story, and eventually, I think we're going to get to the bottom of it.
This lady was just talking about a sighting, talk about a sighting.
I had five witnesses.
I was out at the jacuzzi.
A huge boomerang-shaped without soft edges on each end.
It had sharp edges squared off.
Object was sighted in the western skies above Las Vegas.
It was black.
It was boomerang-shaped.
I got five people to come out of their apartments and witness it with me.
I asked them all, hey guys, go grab your video camera.
Anybody get footage?
Nobody had a video camera.
I said, anybody got a camera?
Nobody was willing to run in and get a camera because this thing was totally unbelievable looking.
Planes were flying under it.
It appeared to be at least, well, 50,000 feet up in the air.
It appeared to be about a half mile in diameter.
This thing, we sat there and watched it for 15 minutes.
After this thing was just sitting there for about 15 minutes, it started to slowly rotate.
As it did that, we watched it for additional 15 minutes, and it slowly started to move up in the additional 15 minutes up and to the left a slight bit until it finally disappeared from sight a half an hour later.
I called Nellis Air Force Base.
They said they didn't get any reportings of it.
I called the local news, and they said they didn't get any reportings of it.
Unbelievable.
Hopefully tonight, I'm going to listen in.
I hope somebody else will call in if they saw this.
Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
Tomorrow night, Brad Steiger will be here, and that'll be the beginning of Halloween for us.
The following night, Ghost to Ghost, our annual, totally scary show, caller-driven entirely.
Nothing but real ghost stories.
So if you've got one, you're going to want to begin to recollect it about now, and apply it the following evening.
And then I suspect Friday evening, Saturday morning, to some degree will continue with that.
Why can't Halloween be on a Friday?
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The video has been featured on Extra and Strange Universe, but they only had a couple of seconds of it.
I'm going to turn it back on you, and I'm going to ask you a question.
All right.
Let's say that you had terminal liver problems, and you were dying, and you were on your deathbed, and you could pony up $10,000, and you could get a liver.
Now, I'm your doctor, and I'm sitting by your bed, and I'm saying, you're dying.
I'm sorry, there's really nothing we can do for you, and we can't seem to get a liver here in the States, but overseas, we can get a liver for you for about $10,000.
I mean, you're lying there dying, and the doctor isn't going to tell you, look, this is somebody who ran a traffic light in Shenzhen somewhere, and they're going to be shot, and their liver is going to be delivered to you.
The doctor is just going to say, for $10,000, we can get a liver from, you know, overseas.
You'd have such a problem after you ate four quarts of mashed potatoes that you probably wouldn't notice your cold.
Aren't about the common cold remark.
I've given a lot of thought as to why the medical world has not grown at nearly anywhere the rate the world of electronics and computers has.
What did one scientist say?
We were progressing at a rate of one for 44 regarding technological progression way back ever since the 40s, and it most likely increased as time continued.
That is a very good question, isn't it?
We have not yet cured the average common cold, says Art Bell, as he continues to suffer the after effects of his cold.
And yet technologically, as a matter of fact, you know, I've got a fax here indicating that they believe computer chips will be operating soon at as much as 1500 megahertz.
1,500 megahertz.
Think about that now.
Top of the line now is about 266 megahertz, something like that.
200 mmx, that kind of thing.
But they're talking about 1,500 megahertz clock speeds.
And we still have not cured the common cold.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hello.
This is Nick from Whitby Island.
Hi, Nick.
I would like to tell, I know you normally don't like to do this because it's sort of a limited Interest.
This is a ham radio story.
Can I tell it?
Yeah.
But it has a little different twist.
Well, Saturday morning, Sunday morning, and Monday morning, and one night last week, I think it was Wednesday, my friend and I were talking on 10 meters.
And we were ground wave, and we started to get some old bubbling or bubbling in our communications between us.
And so I did some asking around, and some people thought it might have been meteor showers, but I've been a ham for not quite as long as you have, but about 27 years, and I've never heard anything like it before.
Okay, I'm not familiar with any meteor shower that we had.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen.
What, of course, you could have experienced if we did have a meteor shower was some backscatter, you know, which would begin to distort the signal tremendously.
unidentified
This must have been the grand idea of all.
But that isn't the end of the story.
Okay.
During the time that these episodes were going on, we had malfunctions of electrical equipment on both ends.
I had a malfunction of a tape recorder, which I recycled and recycled and tried to get to go into the record mode.
Not only wouldn't it go into the record mode, but the pinch roller would not engage.
I have experienced from time to time some very unusual things with regard to ham radio.
Now, I spend a lot of time on 75 meters, which is a lower shortwave frequency than 10 meters, obviously, the one he was talking about, a longer wave.
You can think of it that way.
And I've heard something that I can't explain, and maybe another hem out there somewhere can, but I've heard an echo of my own signal on 75 meters.
Now, generally, propagation on 75 meters, although it can be long distance, generally isn't.
It's generally regional in nature.
In other words, when operating on 75 meters, I might typically talk to people from where I am here in Nevada, as far away as, say, the state of Washington.
Now, there are exceptions to that.
I might talk to the East Coast.
I might even talk to somebody at a great distance.
But generally, it's a regional band.
And I've, from time to time, noticed when I unkey my microphone, I will hear an echo of that click, you know, an echo of the click, an immediate one.
And I've even heard an echo of my last syllable.
In other words, as I let up on the mic key, I heard an echo of my last syllable, a rather loud echo.
And this phenomenon will last for anywhere from a half an hour to an hour.
Every time you let up on the key, you will hear the last syllable or the click of your mic return to you.
Now, the easy explanation is that the signal is going all the way around the world, and you're simply hearing the time difference.
But I don't buy that explanation because at those times, the band has not been long.
In other words, I'm not hearing people from a great distance.
I'm just hearing people at a regional distance.
Now, what could possibly return a 75-meter signal within about a half a second?
I don't think that you should draw a conclusion based on the views of a single guest.
Now, is there a general movement in that direction?
I don't know.
Is there a general movement away from God, the belief in God?
I don't know.
There are those who would say church attendance is up, not down, that we are becoming more spiritual, not less.
So I don't have those answers, frankly, but I do certainly agree that the interview that I did with Patsy, or Harlot, as you will, was extremely disturbing.
I think that she believed every word she said.
In other words, insofar as you can declare somebody to be the genuine article, she was that.
And perhaps some of you did not hear the last hour of that program.
But one of the most disturbing parts of that interview occurred toward the end.
And she had had a five-year-old child who had been killed by her ex-husband.
We didn't learn the manner of the killing.
But she alluded to that fact that her five-year-old had been killed by her ex-husband.
And Patsy was square with the idea that she's going straight to hell without passing go, that she is hell-bound.
She has embraced Satan and says she's going to hell.
And so I asked her toward the end of the program, but you know, Patsy, what about your five-year-old?
Your five-year-old, surely being an innocent and being killed by your ex is going to heaven, not hell.
So you're going to be in hell and your five-year-old is going to be in heaven.
And she said wrong.
Before my five-year-old was killed, I took steps to ensure that my child would go to hell.
And I found that to be one of the more disturbing things I've heard a person say in my entire life.
Well, I guess it would be the best way to describe it would be that I had a type of a spiritual awakening, and I looked at the world a lot differently after this incident had occurred.
The only thing that I cannot say that I'm certain of is what's driving it, whether man and the choice that men make is driving it, or whether a creator is driving it.
I haven't made up my mind about that.
And as another sort of side and interesting note with regard to the interview with Patsy, another disturbing aspect of the interview of Patsy was that she was clear about her choice.
She worships the devil.
She said, I'm going to hell.
I know it.
I'm comfortable with that.
And she said, it's the people in the middle that are really going to do the suffering.
Those who don't know what they believe in.
And I think I'm probably to some degree in that category, in the middle.
I'm unable to embrace anything specifically without hard proof.
In other words, you've got to have faith, no matter what you believe in, whether you believe in God, whether you believe in the devil, whatever it is, it requires faith, a leap of faith, if you will.
unidentified
No question.
And I think that's part of what happened to me a year ago is that happened to me.
I felt that faith and I think I came to some realizations in my life.
But some of the things that I've been able to look at in the world and see them.
By the way, if any of my affiliates out there would like to send me t-shirts, as you know, we've got a studio cam, actually four studio cameras that take alternating photographs of me.
I can put a fourth up.
And I try and wear different t-shirts every night.
So if any of my affiliates out there have t-shirts that they would like to fire off to me, I would be glad to wear your t-shirt on the studio cam.
Proud to wear your t-shirt.
You might pass that along to your station.
I'm going to fire off a t-shirt, and I'll wear it.
And we'll advertise your station visually on the website for that night, or maybe many nights.
You never know.
You get to wear them again and again.
Anyway, let's go back to my caller who had some kind of revelation in his life.
When you call, get on a hardline phone, and unless you've got some sort of digital.
Otherwise, when you move around, you get a little hum.
It's really weird.
Anyway, increased spiritual awareness, eh?
unidentified
Yeah, and I think I felt that firsthand.
And I was not aware of hardly any of this, of what you would call the quickening until about a year ago.
And then I really started to become aware of a lot of these different things.
And I looked at the world a little bit differently, and I saw what was occurring in the world a little bit differently.
And I've come to my own personal conclusions as to what is occurring.
And I think one of the things that I do believe that's new to me that I don't think I could prove it, but there's definitely some things we could talk about.
You've had people mention the global economy and the new world order and all those different things.
And I think that there's very much a lot of truth to that.
I mean, we just had quite a demonstration of the global economy, didn't we?
unidentified
Yeah, we sure did.
And I think what it really Bible, or what it really boils down to, is I think I hate to use the word, but I think there is a conspiracy of man to rule the world.
And I personally believe that goes against God's law, where we're here to serve God.
And man is kind of evolving into this creature power hungry or what have you.
And there is a, I don't know if it's a group or anything.
Yeah, I think we're here to do God's work and learn a little bit about God and learn about him and the law that you study and the law that you gave relate to who you serve.
Well, look, I appreciate your call, and I don't I'm not certain that I agree with you.
I I you know, I don't know that I've concluded that we are here to serve God.
We may be here to learn about God, or really almost hard to discuss because it's hard to put words to.
Hello, Art.
Concerning what Patsy, the quote, satanic witch, end quote, had to say the other night, she, for the most part, was absolutely right.
I'm a Christian, believe every word of the biblical scriptures.
She obviously has knowledge of them.
Satan worshipers will do anything to promote Satan.
I read a short excerpt from the Satanic Bible once, several years ago, concerning sexual behavior.
It basically stated that any type of sex with whomever or whatever is good.
And of course, this goes against God.
Now, that I think I have a problem with.
I suppose there is satanic sex, but I can't think of sex in general as satanic.
I suppose, like everything else, it could be applied, there could be a sexual experience that would be satanically inspired.
I'll say that much.
But I can't think of sex as ungodly.
Or did he put us here and give us the ability and the desire and the passion for sex, which seems such a natural thing, to test us, to tempt us?
And are we supposed to resist this?
And does that mean that any sex that one has outside of the reason of approcreation is of evil, is of the devil?
I just can't believe that.
That was from Jeff in North Carolina.
He goes on, although Patsy has been lied to by Satan after all, he is the prince of lies.
His followers are simply facing a brutal and horrific death at his hands.
I hope Patsy will change sides one day.
Well, Jeff, as you recall, Patsy admitted all of that and said she expects and waits for all of that to occur and is not frightened by it and has accepted it.
And that really is chilling to hear.
From a friend of mine regarding propagation on the short wave bands, a friend of mine up Bob up in San Jose says, we have been having both solar activity and meteor showers.
I was on 10-meter FM today, and there was the echo.
There were weird sounds.
And in about 15 minutes, I talked to Japan, England, the East Coast, and all signals were 20 to 30 over S9.
So that would indicate that indeed we're beginning to get some weird occurrences in the ionosphere.
And I'm not surprised by that.
And I hope that the solar count continues up, and all the hams out there will know exactly what I'm talking about.
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From a Faxer who wishes to remain anonymous in Canada, Art, I agree wholeheartedly with your, in quotes, feeling about the cause of global change.
It's very hard to qualify the cause with present attitudes toward the power of thought.
And again, I think that there is a global change going on.
I have thought this for years.
I cannot prove it.
I cannot prove global warming is real.
I certainly cannot prove that man is having an effect on this planet, but I believe that we are.
What are the indicators?
Frogs out there with Godzilla legs.
Malformed frogs, frogs with eyes in their throat, phisteria, this little new thing that waits at the bottom of the ocean for enough pollution to touch it, and then it takes off and begins putting open sores on fish, and it begins affecting people.
I've got a new story in front of me right now indicating that sea turtles, according to scientists, now have massive debilitating tumors.
This is an associated press story.
A fishing boat captain notices a giant sea turtle in shallow water near a stand of mangroves just off the coast.
He's seen them there before, only this time there's something horribly wrong.
The green turtle, as big as the roof of a compact car, is covered with a gruesome growth of gray, bulbous tissue.
The mass, about half the size of the turtle itself, is slowly starving the animal by covering the eyes it uses to find food.
The growths, non-cancerous tumors, have turned up in alarming numbers of sea turtles all over the world.
And scientists are scrambling to find a cure while there still are some turtles left to save.
Now this is a society and just out, and it's just, you know, the kind of thing that I'm talking about.
So are you all following me on this?
I cannot prove that man is what's doing this.
I'm not sure anybody can prove that.
But I have a very, very strong feeling, and I'm willing to admit to you that it is nothing more than a feeling that our presence, our industrial civilization, is causing this.
I don't have an agenda.
I'm not Al Gore.
I don't think that we should all go back to the Stone Age and give up modern civilization, that we should give up our automobiles, that we should suddenly take a big step backward.
But I do think we have a problem and we need to do something about it.
If that makes me a radical environmentalist, then so be it.
I don't think it does.
I think it just makes me somebody who is aware of going on, what's going on around him.
Anyway, we'll get back to the phones in a moment.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Hi, my name's Tim.
Hi, Tim.
I just wanted to talk to you about one of your callers earlier this evening that I've heard about and are talking about witchcraft and I'd say today.
Okay.
I wanted to set something straight here with a lot of people.
Not everybody who believes in the science or religion of Wicca believes in the Christian view of Satan as they're all power.
There's a lot of us out there who are very loving people.
And your guest who was on that you did the interview with the other night, unfortunately, I haven't been able to hear that one yet.
Hoping for a repeat here back up here in Washington.
And, you know, basically, for a lot of the people out there and a lot of the callers who are calling in and a lot of the response that's been given so far seems to be reflecting that we all believe in Satan.
Okay, but in every other major area of human endeavor, love, where there's love, there's hate.
Where there's joy, there is sorrow.
There's an opposite to everything else.
So why would, if you do believe in a supreme being, why would you not believe that there is an opposite?
unidentified
Okay, what we firmly believe is that both the female and the male aspects of the deity hold both parts.
I guess you can kind of compare it to the Roman or the Greek pathons, where all of the gods and the goddesses there had both aspects of life within them.
Why would the Creator not, thank you very much, have, let's think about that, good and evil in him as we do if we are created in his image or her image or their image.
A plural in the sense of the good and evil.
I don't know.
I'm going to have to think about that a little bit.
It is one explanation that deserves some thought.
Hey, Art, haven't you noticed science has not cured anything in the last 20 to 30 years?
They only find treatments.
Scott in Memphis and a bunch of dollar signs after that.
Basically, Scott, I agree with you.
I really do agree.
Science has not really cured anything in the last 20 to 30 years.
They only have found treatments, and he ascribes that to dollars.
Wonder how many national or international dollars would be lost if somebody actually found the cure for the common cold.
yeah, well, I believe I'm a big time believer in God, and I thought I had a few things to say that might help you grasp a little bit of what the word says.
I don't know how much you read, but the word itself.
I think that it's possible that the Bible is not a literal translation, that some has been lost, that it may not be the precise word.
So that's my answer.
I understand that a religious fundamentalist, probably like yourself, and that's what you sound like you are, would believe every word literally written.
I'm unable to do that.
It requires a leap of faith.
I think that it is probably the word of man mixed with the word of God.
And yeah, you're right.
It's not a religious show, but in traditional religion, most of the traditional religions, it is as though we must fear God.
We must fear God.
It's a fear-based thing, and I just can't buy into that.
I don't think that God wanted us to fear him.
That God is a fearsome thing.
I've always had a difficult time with that.
And here's a doctor in Lexington, Kentucky.
I don't understand why you think we doctors have not yet cured the common cold.
Of course we have.
We simply tell the patients to take the necessary, the steps necessary, which will result in the cure.
The patient is to stand in the cold rain for one hour.
Then, of course, he gets pneumonia, and that we can treat with antibiotics.
Can you explain to me how actually certain agencies and government administrations scramble some of their frequencies as far as between their communication systems?
Sure.
And is there any way around deciphering those encryptions?
Well, the answer is generally whatever man can encrypt can be unencrypted.
Whatever man can devise can be deciphered.
So there are ways that even the most sophisticated scrambling system can be unscrambled.
It is technologically difficult and very expensive, but it definitely can be done.
Now, when you do that, you are violating the law, and if they catch you, you will go to jail and spend time behind bars.
But if your question is simply, can it be done, can it be unscrambled?
Yes, with technology and money, it certainly can.
unidentified
Well, you know, in your area, being around in the southwest and being around a lot of these military bases, have you ever picked anything up that, you know, would kind of give you a little bit more of a thought about what's going on around, like, Area 51 and that type of stuff?
I have enough of a direct radio shot that I can hear VHF and UHF communications from Area 51.
Yes, I have heard things.
It is against the law to divulge what I have heard.
But in general, the answer to your question is yes.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
All right, anybody who has ever dealt with a phone company should get a chuckle out of the following.
And I want to thank Barry in Tucson for sending it.
In fact, he says, if you've ever dealt with telco phone loops, this should create a chuckle for you.
A telco guy buys a rifle and promptly goes to his local shooting range to test his abilities.
The shooting range attendant hangs a target at which the telco guy proceeds to fire six shots at.
The attendant then takes the unhit target down and yells to the telco guy, all shots fired were misses.
The telco guy pauses, looks down at his rifle, then covers the end of the barrel with his hand and proceeds to blow off his finger, at which point he yells to the attendant, everything works fine here.
The trouble must be at your end.
The trouble's at your end.
On my international line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Good morning.
My name's Scott, and I'm calling from Southwest British Columbia.
Actually, I want to talk to you about the financial thing, but I'm a hem radio operator, too.
I've spoken to you before.
Okay.
And I'm in the same radio environment as Whigby Island.
We're not really that far apart as recruitment flies, which is 300 miles anyway or less.
What you've got to understand is what happened on the weekend is we had a mass coronal ejection, not unlike the one that you warned us about several months ago that never really materialized.
In fact, the ham radio operator where it was CTU Worldwide Contest Weekend, it made for really fun things.
But we've had some things happening on HF, the higher HF, and upwards of six meters and probably even two meters that haven't happened for a long time.
Some rare phenomena that can explain the warbling that he's been experiencing.
I've heard it too.
What's been happening is we've been getting not only a rural backscatter, as you were talking about, we've been getting a rural sporadic E, which is a very meters.
Well, I'm in a very happy camper because I bought a new HF rig not long ago, and I just got a 736R Yesu, and I've got 2 meters, 440, 6 meters, and 1.2 gigs in it.
I had heard that there were great difficulties with the Canadian budget because of your health care system.
unidentified
No, that's just propaganda that people that are against having one in your country don't talk about.
We're actually arguing about what we're going to do with the money.
So there's people that want a dividend, a health care dividend that want more money spent in education and health care, and others that want to pay down the debt.
And some people that the opposition says you should do a little bit both, and probably that's probably the case.
But anyway, I want to get back to you.
In our economy, I'm sure it's the same in the States.
Mutual funds are the single largest part of the economy of the financial markets.
And what's happening here is with our registered retirement savings funds, which I like you guys call yours, but they're the same thing essentially.
Most of this money is being automatically debited from people's bank accounts on a weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly basis.
It doesn't matter if the markets crash, go up, go down.
That money is automatically being debited and put into the market every single week.
And there's nothing that any doom and gloom people can do about it.
It's not the same market we had 10, 20, 30 years ago.
It's a very different market.
That money, there's a constant influx of money coming into the markets.
And this is happening worldwide automatically through the wonders of computer technology.
And this is something that your team yesterday told.
What I do argue with is your premise, and again I say your premise seemed to be that the money is automatically going to go through the mutual funds into the market, and it's going to be a forever upward movement.
In other words, in essence, you cannot lose.
I presume you would say as long as you're not into the penny stocks, as long as you're into the good stocks, there are people who believe that.
I am not one of those people.
And I don't think, in other words, certain aspects of what my guests said last night, I believe, are absolutely correct.
I am by no means as doom and gloom as some of what you heard last night.
My own personal opinion.
That was the opinion of my guests.
But I don't think the market is unsinkable.
I think indeed it is sinkable.
I think it's happened before, and it's going to happen again.
It's a matter of when, and I can no more predict the stock market than I can whether we're ever going to get to Mars.
First with a man.
First time caller online, you're on the air, hi.
Do the wild thing.
It's 702-727-1295.
Haley, we're going to have to erase that, and we're going to have to start all over again.
The only rule we have on the program basically is that you can't give your last name.
But soon there will be a signal available to you there in the Detroit area.
unidentified
Fantastic.
You know, one of the things I'd like to talk to you about is the, you know, we were talking about the cloning people with no heads and that kind of thing.
And how the blood is connected and how it was picking up the resonance from another human being at large distances.
Well, this budo doll thing would certainly coincide with that particular thought.
And, you know, the thought of toenails and hair and that kind of thing has always been part of that voodoo doll technology.
But a human clone, what's going to happen to the individual that the cells originally came from, you know, they start torturing it and taking the parts apart and using them for transferring to other people.
No, I'm not at all comfortable, thank you, with the technology, not at all.
In other words, obviously it is going to be possible, they say, to produce a being, to take scrapings from you or a sample of your DNA and produce you, minus a head and several other things, but the rest of the body would be intact, arms, legs, livers, lung, heart.
And how you would keep such an aberration alive, I don't know.
But they are suggesting, indeed, it will be possible.
I am not comfortable with this.
And I think we don't understand enough about the human spirit or soul to definitively decide to begin producing these clones for body parts without damning our own souls.
And I know that seems somewhat religious, and I know it probably sounds somewhat hypocritical coming from somebody who doesn't really have his strict religious beliefs together according to the standards of those who are born again or whatever.
But that's what I believe.
That we're getting way out ahead of our ability to understand what we are doing.
Well, they do, because generally, magic, thank you, if it's real, and I think there is probably something to it, when you, according to most people that I've talked to, when you use what we'll loosely call magic and you cast a spell or you do evil to others, it will return to you times three, times ten, whatever it is.
I think the Wiccans, for example, believe that.
Karma, vibes, whatever you want to call it.
That it comes back to you times many.
And I think that's probably true.
And also what she said with regard to our spiritual development versus our scientific development is particularly true.
As I just finished saying, we have scientific advancements that we simply are not prepared to make because we don't understand what we're doing.
We don't understand enough about the spirit and about the soul, for example, to produce beings that we would comfortably sit here and say, well, there's no problem with that.
My name is Carol, and I want to comment about all that satanic stuff that's been being talked about.
I read a book once that the theory was God didn't really care about all of us, and that Satan was really pissed off, that he didn't care, because he didn't need our adoration, our love, our dedication.
He didn't need it.
He was omnipotent.
He was perfect.
He didn't need it.
So Satan was so upset that he didn't pay attention to us that he came down to live like one of us and tell God what it was really like.
And God's like, you're crazy.
So he challenged him to do it.
And he came down as Jesus and did it.
And he said, okay, you proved your point, but I don't get it.
If they recognize that all there is is love and creation, then yeah, okay, they can come up here and live with me.
In fact, let me take a thank you very much for the call and call me again.
Let me take a second out to do that.
As you know, I diatribe frequently against channelers.
I think channeling is I'm going to be kind, and I'm going to say I think there's too much room for fraud in the whole concept of channeling.
Okay?
Being kind.
Most of the time, I've got to be absolutely honest with you, I think it's bunk.
However, when I wrote The Quickening, which, by the way, plug-plug, you can get in your local bookstore.
All you've got to do is go in and ask for it.
And I really do recommend you read that book.
It just poured forth almost unnaturally.
Very nearly unnaturally.
Now, I realize the corner that I'm painting myself into when I say all of this.
And it's not as though there have not been years and years and years of talk radio and research and watching the news and paying attention to current events that went into the mix.
But this book, unlike my first book, and I wrote a first book, a lot of people don't know about that, called The Art of Talk, about talk radio, about myself, autobiographical in nature.
The second book, the first book was, I had to sit down and actually think very hard about what I was doing.
In the second book, it just came.
It just flowed.
It just happened.
And I cannot explain that.
I'm not necessarily ascribing it to something like channeling.
I don't want to do that.
I won't do that.
I refuse to do that.
But I will tell you that it just poured forth almost unnaturally.
And I am still contemplating that whole thing.
It was an amazing event to me.
It just went, whoosh.
It wasn't like automatic writing, but it was the next thing to it.
Anyway, there you have it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This is Ed from Madison, Wisconsin.
Hello, Ed.
Hey, I wanted to congratulate you on your book, The Cooking, being on the bestseller list.
Thank you.
I wanted to see if I could jar your memory and appeal to your conscience here.
But I remember, yes, I remember vaguely something like that.
unidentified
So that was my appeal is, I guess, that, you know, obviously it's kind of late to credit someone for that or anything like that, but you might want to consider when you ask yourself what's the most perfect thing I can do in this situation, coming up with an answer for that.
I do vaguely recall somebody or my engaging somebody in a conversation and glomming onto that word and saying to myself, boy, does that fit the following, or something like that.
I have a cheap energy source, and I talked to the Sea Crane company before, and it's a chip that converts electricity directly, or converts heat directly into electricity.
So if you and he and I could set something up where we'd all agree, I'd wonder if we could demonstrate this chip.
I can imagine that such a thing might be possible.
I think, though, that what you have just said is that nanotechnology has got to make some advances before the practical application of what you're suggesting you can do would be possible.
unidentified
Kind of except it's a basic design where you just would have pores and if you could fill the pores with the parts of the diodes and have a common it's hard to call it a cathode or anode because it's both polarities in a sense, but you split up the diode and put them in the pores and if somebody would pay attention to it, it could be done correctly.
Well, you're certainly welcome to send it to the Sea Crane Company.
And I'm sure they'll test what they can of it.
But again, thank you very much for the call.
Go ahead and send it.
But it sounds like there are going to have to be advances in nanotechnology, a coming technology, certainly up-and-coming technology, before there's going to be a practical application, before you could get enough energy to run anything.
You know, a radio or some very low-current device.
But that would be enough, I think, to start us off in the right direction.
The first time somebody can actually come up with something that, in essence, pulls energy out of the air or converts a thermal temperature, like room temperature, directly to energy, as you have suggested you can do, and you can demonstrate that, then we're in business.
I wonder myself if there will ever be a way to technologically prove the existence of God, and if there is, what effect it would have on humanity, socially, what effect it would have on us.
Patsy's vocabulary, some commented, may have been wanting a little bit.
But You had to look past that and you had to listen to what she had to say.
And once you did that, if you did that, if you were able to do that, and I was, then I think you had to come to the conclusion that she absolutely, positively, firmly believed every word she was saying.
She wasn't putting us on.
She wasn't being pretentious.
She was being, in fact, boldly honest with us.
And it was a frightening show.
And so I guess that led to a little bit of speculation there about the scientific proof of the existence of the devil.
Now, what sort of sociological implications would that have?
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and talk for just a minute because I can barely understand you.
I've been trying to get into your show for quite some time to get a couple of things off my mind that I knew that possibly you or your viewers would understand when I talk to people around me that I'm around from day to day.
You see something, you call an Air Force base, and they generally say, no, we didn't see anything.
Or, yes, there have been some reports, but we don't investigate those things anymore.
And I've always thought, you know, if things are violating our airspace that are seen by all kinds of people, why don't they investigate those things anymore?
Wouldn't that be a violation of our airspace and national security?
unidentified
right back.
Oh, yeah.
To talk with Art Bell from East of the Black via 1-800-825-5033.
I call myself number five because I was in Escondido.
I was the fifth person in line and stayed there all night outside the Barnes and Noble bookstore waiting for you and Ramona to appear for the book signing.
It's the first time I had ever done anything like that.
And I might add, it was well worth it.
And quite a bit of fun, actually.
A couple of questions and a request.
Say hello, please, to number one through number eight from number five.
So he was there all night long.
And he asks about my hand.
Well, my hand was swollen up.
I have never signed for so long, so intently in my entire life, and my hand was a massive swelling.
And that remained for, it's just now kind of getting back down to its natural size.
It was an amazing, amazing experience.
And I'm glad to have done it.
But I must also say I'm glad that it is now over.
And whether I ever will do another one or not is in question.
But it was fun.
I really enjoyed meeting people, including you, number five.
And I'm honored that anybody would take the trouble, as so many did, to actually camp out there all night long to be early in the line.
Thank you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Is this our battle?
Oh, my.
I finally got through.
You cannot hold back the righteous might of the new revelation, not after what you perpetrated, you filthy beast.
How dare you rebuke the word of the Lord?
How dare you glorify the rebel and the devil the way you did?
I am so disgusted by you And what you have done to the inner race of America.
The fact that you sit there and blatantly worship and love the devil, it's disgusting.
Well, you just, because you are a coward, you will not admit the fact that you worship the Satan?
No, I don't.
And the fact that this whole stock market crash was orchestrated by the Canadian invasion, and the fact that we had that evil, evil man from China in there.
Don't you remember what happened at Chinaman Square where they rolled over all those poor goops in the middle of the Chinaman Square and killed them and shot them down with tanks and guns?
And you and all the Satanists and the new agers out there and all you black and resistant, the righteous might of the new revelation will crush you down and it'll put you.
My brakes on my truck were cut, and I checked him not too long before I went out.
And when I took him to the mechanic, he said that they were not cut.
He said that I was just simply out of flu.
But I know what happened.
They were cut, and he was working with them inside the conspiracy.
And he reattached it before I could get the chance to prove that there was an attempt made up on my life by the New World Order and the famous and the Canadian invasion.
The fact that, and speaking of the Canadians, the fact that there is no Canadian aggression, you mock me by saying that there is no Canadian aggression.
I know that it has to have something to do with the new revelation and the new world bankers that are trying to shop the new revelation and the satanists because you blatantly, you had the saintness on there.
You had them on there.
You have the Native Americans, which is clearly, they are just Satanists.
I was going to say it was good to hear that JC was still alive.
But I don't know, after this little display tonight, I really am shocked.
Now, maybe he just got himself too worked up, but I thought the real JC slipped through there for a moment.
What did he say he was going to he wanted to burn the Blacks, the homosexuals, the Jews, me, and a bunch of others.
Anybody, oh my, oh my, all this godly preaching that Jay-Z has given me over the months and now, even the years, and he wants to burn anybody that he considers ungodly or doesn't agree with him.
Praise the Lord.
Pass the ammunition.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
I'm so glad.
I would love your program.
And you know what?
I thought JC said he wanted to burn the remote controllers, and I'm thinking, oh, he's going to burn all under the TV.
A lot of times I will hear a piece of music that I want to use as bumper music.
And it drives me absolutely insane.
So I will start calling people I know at the various record companies in Las Vegas who are experts, and I will try and hum a little or sing a little to them.
And about half the time, I get what I'm looking for, and about the other half, I get something totally different.
unidentified
Well, if I do that, everybody just looks at me and goes, what?
When I try to hum.
But I asked my daughter when I said, listen, you've got to listen to Art and Belle because you guys told me about that song.
And she said, Mom, I listened, and I don't know.
But I tried really hard to get through to you off before Thursday to ask you, please, not to have that lady on your program, because I was worried about you.
It's J.C. I thought that as Christians, what we're supposed to do with people we don't agree with who may be wrong or bad, pray for them, love them, and, you know, not beat them up or burn them up or whatever.
I'd be tempted to say yes, but JC has been pretty consistent over a period of just about a year now.
I haven't heard from JC in two or three months.
It's been that long.
But over a year, every time he's called, he's been consistent.
unidentified
Well, I thought at first maybe he was sincere, but then when he mentioned the Canadian uprising, that kind of screwed me because I guess we live too far south, but I haven't fought a Canadian in a long time.
Again, reflecting, I guess I can't get away from it on JC a little bit, wanting to kill all the Jews and the blacks and the homosexuals and me and several other groups that I've forgotten about already.
Burn them at the stake.
The things done in the name of God.
Gonna drop that God, that great big bomb over there.
Gonna drop that hydrogen bomb.
It's all being done in God's name.
Wars fought in God's name.
Swords plunged through bellies in God's name.
There's been a lot of stuff done in God's name, huh?
Well, try sending it again, but you better wait about 24 hours because they're having some kind of trouble with their email, and I can't seem to get it even to all list for me, so I'm not sure what's going on.
I'm going to enjoy staying home, looking at familiar surroundings, talking to people who speak my language, and eating food that I am familiar with, things like hamburgers, American things.
The one complaint that I have about going to foreign countries is food.
I am hopelessly addicted to American food.
And I am absolutely convinced that most people in Europe don't have a hint of how to cook meat.
Particularly in France, I might add.
And I might add also the Italians.
The Italians and the French don't have a clue how to serve and cook meat.
And so in a lot of ways, I'm very, very, very pleased to be home.
And if I don't have to do any more travel for at least a number of months, I'm happy.
West of the Rockies, your first-time callers, area 702-727-1222.
So, Julie, we've got to start all over again, I'm afraid.
But to me, also, if I want to know the truth, I can meditate on it or pray about it, but I can't use my mind because my mind is going to tell me like five or six different things.
Oh, well, like what if I should make a decision to move somewhere?
If I meditate or pray about it and I have doubts or fears or things like that or questions, a lot of times I get insights then into what the right thing is.
Like I'll just get suddenly an idea of what the right thing is and I'll just know it deep within me that it's the right thing.
It may be your mind, I know you will argue with that, internalizing, even subconsciously, your own question, and then you will come up with an appropriate answer through intuition or whatever other word you want to apply to it.
But your mind subconsciously will go to work on the problem and give you an answer.
Now that's one point of view.
The other is you pray and God gives you the answer.
I'm not sure which occurs.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
Some people say, well, I know that I get a gut-level feeling about what the right thing to do is.
You know, the only thing that's ever bothered me about this, though, is everything we don't understand, or if somebody dies very young and there's no apparent reason or rhyme to it, and it's a tragedy, what we end up saying in the end is, well, God works his will in mysterious ways, and we have to be satisfied with that answer.
unidentified
No, not at all.
No, because we are a part of God.
We are spirit.
See, that's another thing.
Somebody said, we are made in the image of God.
Well, we are, God said, I am light.
So we are the light of God.
And yet we have, the light in us has been clouded over because we have also, of our own free will, decided to follow, at times, not God, the darkness in the earth.
And so then we bring that darkness into the light within us, and that clouds then, that confuses that spirit in us.
But if we continually totally try to follow the light and the pure energy and the good energy that we feel, then we become more and more of God and are able to give that to other people.
But what I would argue is we don't need God to be good.
Now that's heresy, I know, from a lot of people, but most people understand basically, intrinsically, what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is evil, what is proper treatment of another human being and what is improper treatment of another human being.
And I guess you could suggest that when somebody does the right thing, it's driven by God, and when they do the wrong thing, it's driven by the devil.
But you could just as easily suggest that we as human beings understand intrinsically, those who are mentally balanced reasonably, what is right, what is wrong, what is good, what is evil.
Now, is that necessarily connected with God?
No, not necessarily.
It has to do with free will and our basic understandings, our basic humanity.
It depends on your belief system.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Is this heart?
It is.
unidentified
Oh, dear Lord, it is a very, very great honor to speak with you this morning.
Well, the disturbing phrase or string of comments that he did make a few moments ago, which obviously disturbed you very seriously, it's very surprising to me that someone who claims to be such a fundamentalist Christian would lift directly, verbatim, almost word for word, that string of sentences or that sentence, those phraseologies, those rather bigoted statements from such a secular source of all places, Roger Waters' infamous classic, Ding Floyd the Wall.
I don't remember exactly which track it is.
Second CD, it's called Waiting for the Worms, talking about firing up the ovens, turning down the showers, disposing of the excess portions of our race.
Very odd source material for this character, don't you think?
And I vacillate between thinking he's an act and he's for real.
I'm leaning toward thinking he's for real.
He's been doing this too long.
He has, but in some respects, the way that he is somewhat blowing his cover and blowing his top a little bit too frequently as of late is, sometimes before the program or after the program, I will sit here and I'll answer some lines, particularly...
Yeah, I do occasionally.
You know, I do.
And inevitably, JC has been dialing until his little godly-driven fingers are raw, and he has not gotten through.
I was wondering, I've heard of this theory that the elite stage the various apocalypses.
And the way it works is especially there's like these three guys that deceive or trick this one guy, and the one guy is kind of like the archangel or the fallen angel, like what Adam is.
Well, anyway, in a lot of the biblical stories and even ancient myths and Greek and Roman and ancient Egyptian things, we see where there's this common pattern where one guy is approached by three other guys, like Abraham and the three angels, or Shedrach, Mesach, and Abednego.
These three guys that walk in the furnace, then lo, there's a fourth who's like the angel or son of man.
Well, suppose these three guys are somehow like martyrs or something like that, or human sacrifices.
And then the fourth guy, he's like this guy who lives on or something like this, and he becomes like Adam.
And this whole thing of the war in the heavens was that it was staged by the elite, and it's kind of set up all along for this fourth guy to eventually rise and subdue the other three.
Also, like in the Apocrypha, there's this thing that says the four beasts are four kings who rise out of the earth, and that one is diverse and different than the other three, and he'll rise and subdue the other three.
Yeah, you know, it's bad when you get people like that on the air and try to speak that he's speaking directly from God and under the influence of God.
And people get the misperceived idea of how Christians truly are.
Let me quickly, I know you don't have a lot of time.
Let me quickly state the reason I'm calling.
I've heard a lot of Bible bashing and a lot of people that are incredible skeptics when they don't have all the facts.
I used to be an atheist, an atheistic materialist, and until I ran across a book called The Creator and the Cosmos by an astrophysicist named Hugh Ross, who the book basically states how the greatest scientific discoveries of the century reveal God.
And I studied this book, and I studied what they call Christian apologetics, which is dealing with, on a purely scientific basis, proving the Bible and proving God and how there is advanced medical and science knowledge in the Bible thousands of years in advance of the time that most people basically aren't aware of because they immediately brush off the Bible as mythological writings by a group of men that sat in a room and thought out these ideas.
But if I could quickly give three little short scientific things that are quite fascinating and recent discoveries.