Stephen Gibbs claims to have sold over 100 hyperdimensional resonators since 1986, devices costing $360 that allegedly use 7.8 Hertz soul energy and tachyons to traverse time via grid points on full moons. He warns that altering the past shifts travelers to parallel universes rather than changing history, while objects from the future fade after three days unless predestined. Listeners debate the technology's validity, citing Montauk Project barriers in 2012 and skepticism about Gibbs' methods, ultimately questioning whether these machines facilitate genuine temporal displacement or serve as elaborate hoaxes within a landscape of UFO conspiracies and ancient mummy anomalies. [Automatically generated summary]
Yeah, for myself from some alternate future universe.
But I then later found out, well, it started out that, with a letter that was dropped off at a at a video department store that uh, how can I put it?
Um, that was uh delivered to me by a man who uh worked at this uh video arcade store and uh, he claimed that somebody uh dropped it off on this uh on his counter there while I was, while I was gone, and uh, I later stopped back and uh, he said no, no way, who who was the letter?
Was this letter to you?
Yeah yeah, this letter was supposedly from me, from my other self, from uh, from the future yeah, from the future.
And uh, it was really strange because as soon as I started reading it uh, chills just started going up and down my spine and uh.
But I later found out at a later date that it was that the letter was not written by my other self, that in fact, it was my other self who contacted the person that was working there to write me this letter.
That would, that would motivate me to start work and to start to do research on this time travel stuff.
And from that, oh man, how totally weird.
I mean, when you read this letter, did it reference enough things about you so that you knew whoever it was had to know you.
unidentified
Yes, it did.
Well, it said stuff about all, about pyramids and stuff like that, but it was enough to let me know that it was my other self.
So, and that that was received in 1981 yeah yeah, yeah.
Well, that would sure get your attention made my skin crawl so that yeah, I can see how that would get you interested in time travel.
Let's be clear here to the folks.
There are a lot of people talk about time travel and they talk about time travel in the mind.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that's not possible, but that's not exactly what we're talking about here, is it?
Well, there's different types of time travel.
There is physical time travel, where you can move physically back and forwards through time, both directions yeah, and then there is quantum time travel, and that's where your soul can move into another, one of your counterparts right in a parallel universe astral projection.
And then astral projection comes after that, and then mental time travel, which I suppose could be somewhat connected with astral projection.
But what you're talking about here, or what I'm primarily interested in, is, you're telling me actual physical time travel is possible.
Yes, that's correct, and you have a machine that can do that.
Yes, that's correct.
Uh-huh um, before you got the circuit that allowed you to build this machine um, what?
How did you begin to reach out to try to figure out how to build or how to get a time machine?
Well it, it's.
It started with uh, an article that got published in a journal up in Canada and some people uh, And the article was basically on time travel.
And some people over in Fitzburg, Massachusetts saw it, or this one person s uh saw the article and contacted me by telephone.
unidentified
And he went by the name of Jim Gerard.
And he then lay and then that was basically the person that at a later date sent me the schematic for what the device was first called the sonic resonator.
I guess before we get to that, look, I'm a ham operator.
So I'm somewhat, at least technically, competent.
I've been a microwave engineer, and I'm sort of curious what is this as much, let's put it this way, as much as you're willing or can talk about, are there aspects of this that you don't let out proprietary, in other words?
All right, when I talked to you earlier today, it was very brief, but one of the things you did express was concern for your own safety.
Yeah, that too, a little bit.
I'm a little bit leery about making public appearances or going up to see somebody in person because I have encountered a lot of negative feedback from that area and I run into a lot of, should I say, people that you would not wish to talk to in person.
Why would they be unhappy with you?
Do they I mean what do they accuse you of or what what would make them feel antagonistic toward you?
I suppose one of the reasons why maybe perhaps that I'm getting some negative feedback there is because maybe the government doesn't want this information to be released to the public for the simple reason they're afraid that it might fall into the wrong hands.
Oh, I should say.
But by the same token, I really don't have nothing to worry about there because like I told lots of other people that these generators that I build and sell generate infinite amounts of tachyon particles which deals with basically with pure white light energy.
unidentified
Right?
And if a person, so basically since the device is what I believe, is tuned into the creator, anybody who has bad intentions.
But you see, anybody who has any bad intentions aren't going to be able to use a device for evil purposes because it is a concrete white light generator.
And so only the people who have pure intentions are going to get results.
With your machine, if you want to go into the future, I mean, I always, I remember the old H.G. Wells deal where you'd push a lever forward or reverse from a center point to go either ahead or behind in time.
And whenever you have two points of resonance, according to my time equation, you end up creating a time orb.
And after this frequency has gone through this circuit, it is then transmitted, well, basically it's stepped up to the zero vector after the frequency is divided.
Okay, there's where you lost me.
Zero vector.
What is a zero vector?
Zero vector is referred to some scientists as the sphere or what I refer to as the creator.
As long as I'm able to stop you and find out what it means, so far it actually does make sense to me.
All right.
So you've got an electromagnet acting in what way?
In other words, influencing, putting a field around all of this, or what is the electromagnet acting on?
See, the electromagnet acts to transmit the soul energies, which were stepped up through the circuit, and then it is then, in other words, it transmits the energy then into your stomach chakra, which is which is done when you place the electromagnet over the stomach region.
Oh, so you actually, you take this machine and you place it near your stomach?
You place the open end of the electromagnet over the stomach region, and then that transmits the energies into the stomach chakra, which then conditions your soul and aura for time travel.
unidentified
That basically programs your soul to initiate the commands.
But I was thinking, you know, when I got the schematic, wouldn't it be a nifty idea if instead of just using it for time travel, that it could be also be converted into a radionics machine which could be used not only for healing and for increasing a person's psychic abilities, but for tuning them into the crater as well?
I now begin to see why you're in trouble with a lot of people.
In other words, you're in touch with the Dodd force.
And there are a lot of people out there who are going to go, well, I can't repeat what they would say.
Problem of it is the reason why I don't have more feedback on them is because the ones that usually end up using them don't stay around very long.
They end up disappearing to some other time.
Of course they do.
Just as a matter of idle curiosity, of the people that you've talked to who want to do physical time travel, and you know, we'll get into the cases, but do most of them, I'm curious, want to go forward or reverse in time?
unidentified
Most of the time they want to go go back into Earth's past to get away from it all.
They realize that there are some upcoming catast uh earth changes that they just would rather not go through.
Oh boy, does that ever make sense?
Is there any favorite period of time, would you say, that, you know, talking to a bunch of people?
I mean, when you somebody calls you up, I don't know how they hear about you, maybe that the article in Estrange magazine, is that mostly how people have heard about your machine?
unidentified
Well, I also advertise, yeah, that's part of it, but then I also advertise through Fate magazine, Nexus.
Well, what I was going to, I was beginning to ask, you know, when you talk to all of these people, however it is they've heard about you, does there seem to be a favorite time segment for people to go back to?
unidentified
It seems like a lot of people like the 1500s the best.
People, I've talked with people over in California who said that the people that go back to those periods don't ever want to come back because everybody's so kind and loving towards one another.
Well, that's pretty much true.
But I mean, people even back then were getting run through with swords.
But I suppose it depends on, you know, that's probably a lot of pop culture.
I mean, even then, it wasn't all sword fighting.
It was, I'm sure, there were a lot of really wonderful places to live.
The entire structure of family and society was utterly different.
And he had bought a machine from me, and he had the most incredible doggaunt experiences I've ever heard of in connection with this machine other than this Michael Francis Mazurkowitz who, you know, used it also for physical time travel.
All right, well, we'll get to him.
What about the fellow from Chicago?
Yeah, well, anyhow, he last I heard from him, he was thinking about activating it over a grid point with the help from his sister.
And they were planning on, I guess, going back to the to the time period of the Greeks to live there.
unidentified
he had journeyed back there astrally and really liked it there.
He's claimed he he stayed there for something like a week before he returned back to the to his own physical body.
Now when you sell m machines to people and they sort of more or less disappear um sometimes I would think the family and friends of the disappeared would be concerned um and that the police would be concerned.
And and and that that amounts to at least, at the very least, a missing person report, I would think, and some sort of investigation on the on the part of the police that that might even you know imagine foul play.
No, not with uh no, he was just uh or I mean do even family members call you up something like uh hi Stephen I'm so-and-so.
My son bought a time machine from you and he seems to be gone.
It's really yeah, I can understand what you're getting at.
Um uh generally the people that buy these from me are either well you see that that the person by the name of Kylie Lutzfly who bought the machine from me, he was an orphan to begin with.
unidentified
And he was staying with a he's he was staying at a halfway place that was run by a bunch of nuns over in Chicago.
And so when he disappeared, there was no family concern on his behalf.
Yeah, I've yeah, I've run into some people who have wanted to see what the 21st century would be like.
And I think that's where one guy totally in it went to in Australia.
Really?
He had uh yeah, he he this guy had had bought a unit from me back in uh I think it was uh ninety two or ninety three and he had bought a uh Ton of crystals from me to use the connection.
I mean, he he bought something like, oh, geez, but $50 or $60 worth of double-terminated quartz crystals to use in connection with it because he wanted to be guaranteed the assurance that he was going to go physically.
This all began when Stephen received a letter that he thought was from himself, and in fact really in a way was from himself, written by somebody else, delivered to a video store way back in 1981, in effect telling him to proceed with this.
See, not everybody's interested in time traveling to buy these machines from.
Some just buy them for the simple reason of either increasing their psychic abilities or else in connection with this, you know, like help healing people.
Right.
But I am particularly interested in the time travel aspect of it.
So if you were trucking along with some dowsing rods and they came together, how do you know whether you found a grid point or water, or would they be the same?
unidentified
I would say they could almost be the same, depending on the strength of the vortex.
I see usually, well, the unit can do pretty much everything by itself, but once in a while somebody might not need a little bit more energy in order to accomplish this.
unidentified
And so what I do, I usually send a double-terminated quartz crystal with every unit that I send out.
Uh there's an interesting see the reason why I uh you use double terminated quartz crystals because they have some uh interesting time harmonics built right into them.
Which uh actually uh if you've got a large enough double terminated quartz crystal you could just simply locate your grid point and just take the crystal with you and use that and use that to travel physically through time just simply by focus uh by programming the crystal to uh transport you to whatever date you wanted to go to.
In other words, let's say, for example, you want to travel to, like uh uh, January 27 1957, right to uh.
So after you uh place the uh time coils around your head, which hooks up to the hyper resonator, or you've got to put these around your head well there's there's uh, there's time coils that hook up to the unit that fits around your head.
unidentified
Plus, there's an electromagnet that hooks up to it also.
And uh, but once you've got the uh headband placed, or coils around your head yeah uh, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates while stroking uh, while you're stroking the rubbing plate rubbing plate, you know, re uh acts as a pendulum and while you're, while you're stroking the rubbing plate and turning uh, one of the other dials on it uh,
you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates that will transport my physical body and all of its components to January 27th 1957?
And as soon as you get a stick on the rubbing plate, a stick?
No, what do you mean?
A stick it's when your fingers stick while you're stroking.
unidentified
Oh, I see, I see yeah, as soon as you get a stick, then that means that the rate has been found.
You stop turning the top dial and then you go to the second dial and do the same as before.
And once you get a stick for both dials and the coordinates are already set into the machine, and then all you have to do now is to activate it over a grid point on the day of the full moon.
On the day of the full moon.
unidentified
Yeah.
And then position the opening of the electromagnet over the stomach chocker, and it should transport you within less than three minutes.
I've got a million questions, beginning with what is it like to travel in time, in other words, when that two minutes and forty five seconds, uh elapses and you're someplace else.
Do you feel the transition?
Is it like an NDE where you go down some long white tunnel or do you go through something?
Or are you just suddenly poof on the other end?
Well, according to the experiences of one person who bought a unit from me at Great Falls, Montana, he said that you first initially feel an earthquake.
And then all of a sudden a huge white light will surround your physical body, but it's so fantastically bright that you cannot open your eyes.
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unidentified
And then things just fade out from under you and you start drifting through a void.
And then all of a sudden things afterwards, after you drift through this void for a certain period of time, then things just start forming around you again and you end up finding yourself at the time that you programmed into the unit.
But I think what would happen is the grid site would then move to a safer location is what would happen because they cannot, I don't think grid sites can occupy a solid object.
unidentified
But I don't want to say that for certain, but so, you know, there is a certain element of danger involved in it.
I haven't ever heard of anybody with the hyper-resonator getting trapped in other dimensions yet, but I suspect there might have been a few who may have had bad intentions and they suffered the consequences because of it.
In other words, you've got to go into this with good intentions.
Now, let's say I had your machine, and I wanted to go ahead to 1999 and take a look at the market and see what was up, what was down, what stocks would be good to buy, and then come back and thusly invest my money.
If I had your mom on the phone right now, and I said, hey, Steve's mom, tell me about your son and the time machines that he builds, what would she say?
But since I'm really not in a position to uh to go any place, since I would have to probably start all over again, uh I guess kind of like it here for now.
Well, that was going to be my question, uh and I think that's really the answer.
In other words, the people that have gone, 35 or so at least, uh they wanted to go.
They wanted out of here.
They wanted to go somewhere else.
They didn't have a lot of family attachments, that kind of thing.
Even if you could go, the answer then really is you don't want to.
unidentified
Well, not really.
I do make jumps though from time to time, but they're only short jumps, like maybe a year into Earth's future.
Well, just at the moment that you intercept that person from colliding with another vehicle, all of a sudden you hear a large boom, thud, or popping noise.
And right then, you end up shifting over into another universe that is following a different course in time that matched with the event that you altered.
In other words, it's going to happen come hell or high water.
You might be able to alter it in one timeline, but not another.
Is that what you're saying?
unidentified
No, no.
When you go back, you can change it, but when you do, you shift yourself over to another universe that corresponded with the event that you altered.
In other words, the person would still be dead in that universe.
That way, it doesn't disrupt the space-time continuum, because if that were to happen, God only knows what would or the whole universe would break down.
Now, if you don't want to, now if you want to stay longer than six or nine hours, then you have to program the time, the amount of time that you want to stay in that period into the machine.
Now, an interesting feature about the time travel is, and I'm certain people eventually realize this sooner or later, is that it has a unique advantage of rejuvenating the body after you return back to the present.
In other words, you can go back, let's say with a broken ankle or a serious illness or sickness, and then return back a few seconds later, shoot, and you're completely cured.
Now that certainly has good practical applications.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, it turns the aging cycle back to the time when you just stopped growing.
Wow.
And this has already been proven by other time travels.
It's been proven by Mike Mazurkowicz over in Great Falls.
Boy, would I love to talk with Mike Mazurkowicz or some of the others that you have sold these machines to.
Do you generally have now when you sell a machine, do you find there's a lot of customer satisfaction?
Or is it kind of like the doctors who well you know when the patient dies they can't they can't bitch about the service I generally don't get that many complaints.
But but but why would that be?
Because the machine works as advertised or because the people, as I said, really can't complain when they're well the interesting thing about it, the reason why I don't get too many complaints is, well, maybe the reason too is because it disappeared and you know, even if they don't accomplish time travel, you know,
unidentified
they can still be able to use it either for help healing people or for increasing their psychic abilities or for increasing their intelligence.
Stephen, I've talked to remote viewers who have tried to look out past that point.
And they too say it's like a block and they can't get past it and they can't figure out why.
And Ed Dames has said that some gigantic, his word, spiritual event is going to occur.
You consider that possible?
unidentified
They say a lot of people say that the earth is going to transcend into another dimension, but if there ain't no life on this planet, then what's there to ascend to?
And he's always, of course, he hasn't had the time to locate a grid point since he lives within city limits.
But he hopes to activate this hyper-resonator over a grid point probably like towards the end of 98 in order to travel back to the year 1956, which I believe he will succeed.
unidentified
Definitely.
Since he has already seen his other self in another time period.
And that's why a person should not seek themselves out.
Yeah, because, oh, yeah, oh man, it can be a mess because if you have to take the place of your other devil after you end up pushing him into another dimension or fusing into him, it could really mess things up for you.
I've often wondered how I was going to make it if I was going to move back to 1981, which I plan on doing someday, pilot possibly within the next year or two, how I'm going to get by with my credentials.
Exactly.
unidentified
But I think what you can do is still use the same same ID form, still get by.
And for like $1, people can get a catalog which has your time machines in it, and then they can decide if they want to go any farther or they just want to have a time machine catalog, not something you get every day.
So if you went back to 1500 and somebody ran you through with a sword, you'd be okay here, unless you were locked back there, and then you'd be in trouble.
Oh, you're not sure about that?
No, well, if you died in another time period, let me see.
If somebody ran a sword through you in another time period, for example.
Then he's got these rotating magnet electromagnets and he's got this giant thing built in a warehouse and he's developing 3 million volts and he's going to walk through this thing and he's trying to achieve what you say you've already done time travel.
And I'm worried that Mike is going to fry himself like an overdone French fry.
So if you're dealing with an object that is capable of understanding and manipulating the complexities of time travel, why would it be affected by something that is merely a contrived human moral?
Well, and look, there are questions that I understand that you could not answer.
I don't think I could either.
We're getting into questions like where does the sky end or something about God.
unidentified
Well, I would say, you know, if it goes so far as to harm other people, then, you know, why is the creator going to allow that person to make the jump?
But the second time he made the jump, he then programmed the information into it, and then both the machine and the electromagnet went with it.
Now, this is really important, Stephen.
When you sell a time machine to somebody, does it come with a good instruction manual?
Yes, it does.
I mean, that seems very important so that people don't do that kind of thing, because it would be really upsetting to go back to, say, 1,500 and be there with just a piece of it and dangling wires.
One, a statement, which is that, you know, you should contact Mike Markham or somebody out there should call him just so they can correlate data, if nothing else.
You'd be shifted over to a universe where your other self wasn't there.
Oh, wow.
So, like, you'd change the event and there wouldn't even be another person to confuse things.
Exactly.
Yeah, right.
Okay, well, maybe I'll still ask the second part anyway, even though that kind of covers it, which is that you said that, like, one of the ways that you attune this device by like you, like, concentrate on the time that you want to go back to.
Yeah.
Can you also attune this device in such a way like, like, somehow say trade places with another self in another dimension that wants to be where you are and you want to be where they are?
Okay, well, my question was, considering that you said that part of the operation of this device involved mentally concentrating on a specific time and then like attuning the device and then going there, would it be possible to mentally concentrate on, say, a time where there was another version of you that wanted to be where you are now and you wanted to be where they are,
essentially trading places so that nothing would get messed up or altered or anything like that at all?
Not only have I done it, but a friend over in New York City has also done it as well.
All right.
Here's a practical question from, let's see, it's Michael in Indiana.
If you get backlogged, Stephen, in Manufacturing Time Machine by the Millions, would you be willing to sell schematics and or assembly instructions for me to make one sort of in kit assembly mode for myself to alleviate the pressure on you?
In other words, if you, in a way, I think you did answer that already, but if something is wrong with you health-wise today and you travel back in time, would you return with that health problem gone?
unidentified
Yeah, pretty much so, yes.
Yeah, it rejuvenates your entire system.
As a matter of fact, the more times you jump, the more it changes your physical appearance.
And one woman was telling me she did that whenever she'd get a few wrinkles on her face, she'd just pop back to the 1960s, and then a few seconds later, she'd be back, and her face would be back to normal again.
If you take a person back, there's a danger there in bringing human beings, especially from the past to the future.
The reason for that is they've proven in the Montauk project that if you travel, like, say, into the future and stay too long there, you'll begin to age rapidly.
unidentified
Oh.
And so the same rule would be applied if you were going to take somebody from the past to the present.
There would be a danger of that individual aging quite rapidly after the space of three to four days.
However, the problem could be remedied by having the individual set in a pyramid for something like two or three hours, and that might be able to stabilize his time frame.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello.
My name's Dave from Ohio.
Hello, Dave.
You know, this is just really amazing.
Everything I've heard tonight, I work for a small science company here in Ohio.
And the gentleman I work for, his name's Charles Story.
He just wrote a book, The Grand Unify Theory Made Easy.
And as he's showed me this book over the last year and taught me what his theory is all about, it shows the science that would enable you to build these kind of devices and do these type of things.
I believe that everything, I've done some theological studies, and I do believe that the Earth is changing.
I believe that if you did go to the future where they where even the remote viewers haven't been able to see anything, I believe that there's still something going on there.
Maybe we don't have in our consciousness the perception.
Well, if there was going to be a band playing dog whistles, we wouldn't be able to hear the music, but the music would be real.
That's right.
And there might be actual living going on there, but with our narrow perception, we wouldn't be able to perceive what's actually happening in that higher dimension.
Oh, roughly it would be about six inches the unit.
Not the electromagnetic being is roughly about, I would say, anywhere from five to six inches wide, by seven or eight inches long, and then something like about uh two and a half inches high.
Then there's there's the electromagnet part that comes with it.
Right yeah yeah, all right.
Now, how much danger is there that when somebody does this, they would fry themselves?
unidentified
There's not any danger uh uh, not that much.
Uh uh basically, there isn't any danger of getting fried, unless you start uh working with, with items that I don't suggest in my uh, in my instruction manual.
Okay well, I'm glad there's an instruction manual.
Yeah because uh, because one woman I saw the unit to uh living in New York City who, who uh overloaded her unit with too much energy and she tried using a Ruby or something in it and uh uh, what happened?
There was some indication that uh, she bursted into flames.
unidentified
Oh no, oh my oh really yeah, from doing that, and if you step up the energies too damn much, for for some people you know that's that can be pretty doggone dangerous, and so you know, I keep it at a level that's safe for a human here.
If you go back to the past and like, if you're at your childhood home, can you interact with like, your parents and your sisters and brothers and friends?
By the way, where is Eastern you mean Eastern State Of Virginia right yeah okay, all right, could you do that, even though you're not supposed to meet yourself?
What about going back and seeing mom and dad uh, and sisters and brothers when they were younger?
Oh boy uh, I suppose it could be done, but since you were linked up with them, somehow it might shift.
unidentified
It might end up shifting you, I don't I, I seriously don't think you'd run into any problems there.
You contact me privately, and I will get you on the air, or I will talk to you about this, and we'll find out how much you can disclose.
Because when you make a claim, see, at least Stephen Gibbs came on here, and he told us exactly how he's doing what he's doing.
You're coming on here and saying, I can approximate the gravitational field of a neutron star, which is incredible, but I can't disclose how I do it.
unidentified
If I were to disclose this, I would be, I don't know how to explain it to you, but it would change everything about my life, the fact that I'm calling you right now and giving you this information.
The reason that I have called this, I think your callers are very naive to even think that this man can do anything that he says that he can do.
All right, well, and I challenge him to show you, to show you that he can do this right now.
Let him go and get one of his devices and let us see if he can do what he claims he can do.
the news such as it is interesting cellular an unnamed democrat member of the house took a transcript of an ely well what happened is somebody intercepted a cellular telephone conversation between newt gingrich and the republican leadership And they recorded it.
Ooh, that's bad.
That's bad, bad, bad, and not legal.
Then they apparently turned it over to a Democrat member of the House who then turned it over to a couple of big newspapers.
The contents of this, allegedly, were Miss Gingrich reneging the Democrats' claim on his promise to use, or actually not use his power, to strike back against the ethics subcommittee.
Now, let me tell you, number one, there have been two felonies here, serious ones.
Taping a cellular telephone conversation is a felony.
Distributing that tape is a felony.
I'm not sure about publicizing such a tape or actually a transcript of the tape.
It may be by then that it's not a felony.
I don't know.
But it's a pretty awful thing all the way around, and it is another example of why I'm so ticked off about politics these days.
It's partisanship over principle.
There is no principle anymore.
It's gone.
There is no principle anywhere out there anymore.
It's gone, folks.
That's one of the truth of the quickening of the 90s.
The late 90s, I might add.
It's over.
As far as I'm concerned, principle, morality, I don't say they don't exist, but when you look at something like this, Baloney, which is, I think, what all the other talk shows are talking about, what's the argument here?
It's just plain wrong.
It's just plain, it's a criminal act, period.
It's like it's cool.
You know, if it's going to get us partisan gain, tape it, transcribe it, give it to major newspapers in New York and Washington, and just do it.
I mean, that's the way it is in the 90s.
There is no principle.
There's just partisanship.
The other big story, Paula Jones and the U.S. Supreme Court and the Prez.
Everybody, I think, knows about Paula Jones by now, don't you?
You know about Paula Jones.
She was, she says, approached by the Prez in a hotel there in Little Rock and invited to perform, it is alleged, certain acts upon our president.
She wants an apology.
I noticed on the Sunday shows, which featured a lot about this because the Supreme Court's got it now, that a lot of the journalists who said Paula Jones was a floozy and more are now recanting, saying it was a cultural bias.
That's what I heard over the week.
That's a cultural bias.
You know, I looked at her with her, quote, big hair, and I thought she was a floozy, something like that.
It was a cultural bias, and it was my error because now it looks like there really is something to her story.
Anyway, whether there is or isn't, and I think there is, the big question is whether or not a president should be subject to being sued like Paula Jones is doing while he's in office now.
The justices seemed about split, but it does look to me as though they're going to suggest that maybe the president can be sued well as a must.
Or maybe there'll be a compromise and depositions will be taken.
It's not exactly known for sure.
But, you know, my first take on this, I must tell you, is that it should not be allowed.
Even though I personally believe Paula Jones, while the president is in office, it probably shouldn't be allowed.
It's a very narrow call.
If the alleged events had occurred while the president was in office, there's no question it certainly should be left out.
But this occurred prior to his taking...
I'm really not sure...
You know, I say I don't think so, but I'll tell you, I have mixed feelings about it.
And he's not royalty.
He's the president of the United States.
And it may be that it should be allowed to go ahead.
I'm not.
I don't know.
Then they're talking about the agenda, you know, campaign finance reform, whether or not money ought to go to politicians.
Money has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court here in America to be free speech covered by the First Amendment.
In other words, if you want to give money to a politician, you're giving it for a cause, right?
Money for a cause equals free speech.
So to change that, you would have to change the Constitution.
It is, ladies and gentlemen, a horrible winter in the United States.
Horrible.
I have seen scenes, for example, here where I'm in the desert, the high desert, all right?
Southern Nevada.
I'm eight miles, eight miles from the California border.
Do you know what we had today?
We had wind followed by very cold rain, followed by a hailstorm, followed by a snowstorm, followed by, at the moment, about 28 degrees or 27 degrees Fahrenheit and falling fast.
It may be down to around 23, not optical there.
Look, it's colder than hell.
I mean, for here, believe me, it's cold.
And this is nothing.
In the rest of the country, we're getting flooding, mudslides, snow, ice, blizzards.
Europe is gripped in a terrible winter.
Greece, I saw there were thunderstorms in Greece and flooding.
I saw scenes of cars floating down the street like so many boats in a row.
It was incredible.
I think our weather is changing.
Now, you're welcome to comment on that if you would like.
There was a noticeable tail when looking through the binoculars.
I could see multiple streams in the tail through the telescope.
The tail extended beyond one field of view on my 8-inch F10W26 millimeter something or another.
Note that all this is pre-dawn, through a pre-dawn glow.
I'm sure there's more that could be detected.
One interesting thing I noticed was the nucleus, it was not a uniform round spot in the coma.
It appeared to be elongated in the same direction as the tail under higher power 200 times.
This shape was even more certain to me.
Has anybody else seen this?
My first thought was, I wonder if it's split in two.
Wouldn't that be a nice sight?
Twin comets blazing along together in our March-April skies.
Absolutely fascinating.
So many people are getting lake effect snow in the north central part of the country that Fred in Buffalo, southeast of Buffalo, said, hey, Art, when do you think Lake Erie is going to run out of water?
With all this darn snow coming down, it ought to be dry by about this time next week.
Again, going back to the terrible winter we're having.
Listen, I have heard the following.
I cannot confirm it.
Maybe you can.
Telstar 401, AT ⁇ T satellite, leased out to Fox, ABC, and PBS.
It seems or it has been reported or alleged that on the morning of Sunday, January 12th, 1997, transmission from Telstar 401 stopped.
Speculation was it was hit by a meteor or space debris.
This is still unconfirmed.
NORAD was contacted and has confirmed that Telstar 401 is still in orbit, but can no longer receive nor transmit.
It is dead.
Any speculation or comments?
No.
No, sir.
I had three separate messages on Telstar 401.
You guys tell me.
Can anybody out there confirm that?
That would be the first time something of this sort has.
I mean, satellites have a certain life, then they die.
But if this one was either killed, whether by natural causes or murdered, that would be the first time that something like this has occurred.
Man, I'm not the right guy to – look, I got a telescope for Christmas, and I'm all the wrong guy to ask because, number one, my wife had to put it together for me.
Number two, since I got it, there hasn't been one clear day, except clear enough to go out and look at the mountain that's behind me here.
Other than that, I haven't even been able to look at anything.
It's really discouraging.
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Okay, well, I'll continue to listen, and I'm looking for help off, and the quickening is upon us.
And I can't even believe you were listening to that guy named Steve earlier.
He doesn't know what UL rating is, but he's making a timely.
They're in there saying, let's see, what kind of things, all kinds of things about Steve.
You know, he was a wacko.
No, I don't know that at all.
He's been doing this for years.
And he's been a wacko for years, but I don't think so.
His manner of speaking was slow.
That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.
And I personally thought he was a fascinating, fascinating interview.
And it's the kind of thing that I love to do.
And it's the kind of thing a lot of people out there don't get.
But what the industry is beginning to get is that the ratings, Los Angeles, San Diego, of Portland, Seattle, I could go on and on with the city's number one, city after city after city.
So even though some of them out there don't get it, apparently enough people do.
Incidentally, what I told you about that satellite is right.
What I would say is with regard to those various incidents, I can't attribute them all to all one thing, or I can't say it's hard, or I can't say it's any single thing.
But I can say that events are quickening.
And they're strange.
And if you think this year is normal, if you think this weather is normal, then I've got a bridge for you.
Big one, too cheap.
I'm telling you, I think there is a weather, a basic, profound weather change going on.
And if either one of them encountered something in space at any moment that shouldn't be there, there's enough kinetic energy to turn either one of those into space dust.
But the calm air flight into Detroit, did you hear one of the explanations?
Well, what I heard was that they believed the right engine became uncontrollable and all of the controls in the aircraft were in the off position trying to get that engine turned off.
That's all they know that I had heard.
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Yeah, I heard, you know, not that detailed, but they said when it leveled off to 4,000 feet on approach, an event took place.
And the thing that I found unusual, and it's not that he wasn't well spoken or that he didn't seem sincere in his beliefs.
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Maybe I'm going out on the limb in saying you find it a fascinating interview, but I think in your heart of heart, you probably would have to see a little bit more proof before you go along with the program.
Now, would I like to have one of those machines and give it a shot?
You betcha.
Yeah, well, I mean, I thought just from the standpoint when he talked about the woman who burned up, it probably would have caused him a little bit of trouble, and I doubt that he had a good product liability policy, if you understand what I'm saying.
I think that because I do interviews in which I don't rip people apart, that's not my business.
Right.
You know, I let the audience decide about that.
And because I don't rip people apart, which, by the way, means that a lot of people won't come on, they interpret that as agreement with or belief in whatever topic I happen to be talking about.
Now, you know me, I'll talk about anything under the sun.
That's just not true.
I do an interview and try to help the person I'm interviewing do the best job they can do.
Oh, yeah, and in fact, I think that a lot of your listeners can really pick up the atmosphere within which the interview is being held and can get a sense for how you feel about it.
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And you don't have to go at the person and question them and belittle them.
And I'm not saying you do anything like that at all.
And the thing I was going to say is if you didn't have a subscription, I would like to give you one as a gift because as much as I enjoy your show, this is the pendulum swinging completely to the other side, and I think you get a real kick out of the magazine.
But look, look, there are different categories of guests, folks.
When you interview somebody like my guest tonight, who is not a pro, as I said, he's not on a lecture circuit.
He's not a professional speaker.
A lot of times, that's the only difference between the way a lot of people in the audience will regard somebody since they're used to listening to the slick media, between the way they'll regard them as credible or a fruitcake nutcase type is the presentation, the articulation of the guest.
Well, you know what?
A lot of people who have invented things that have been as real as a heart attack and have changed the world have not been particularly articulate in the spoken language.
Do you understand that?
And just because somebody does not come across as a polished speaker doesn't mean that they might not be their own sort of a quiet brilliance, have their own sort of quiet brilliance, and you just can't necessarily figure that out based on whether or not somebody is a very polished speaker.
And if you want to know the truth, a lot of times I enjoy interviewing the very common type people, like this man, or like Mad Man, or like I could name many others that I've interviewed in that category.
And I will continue to do so.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hello, Art.
Mike, Nashville.
Hi.
Art, you've been following this on the cocaine tobacco mummies.
They had an interesting article on Discovery Channel last night about it.
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This woman scientist, and I don't recall her name, and she's a forensic scientist, and she's also into archaeology, and she has discovered that some of the mummies that she's uncovered have got their bodies full of cocaine and tobacco.
And so she went and did one extra test on it where they take the hair, a hair, the hair follicle, and they do a certain test.
They wash it with alcohol and everything.
They analyze the alcohol solution.
And if there's no cocaine in that alcohol solution and they find it in the hair follicle itself, then the substance had to be there at the time of death or before death.
And what this does to the Egyptian culture and everything is it proves that Egypt might not have been the center of civilization, as they all believe and everything founded on in that country.
And in further research with some other collaborators on this, they found pineapples on the carvings in China and certain places, which they came from the Americas and other things that came from the Western world.
And these things go back like 5,000 years now.
What I thought was interesting about this, there are a lot of things that are coming to the surface now, and it involves Hail Pop, what's going on in Egypt over there, in Jerusalem and everything.
And this could only lead to one thing, that they were either trade routes established back way before Columbus's time between this part of the world and the old world.
A couple of months, I called you before the show, and we talked about me sending you some audio tapes featuring Michael Wolfe being interviewed by Chuck Harbour.
I'll, hey, I'll interview anybody who's interested, one way or the other.
Anybody.
I mean, why limit our universe, huh?
It's strange out there, and strange is fun, and that's me.
I'm Art Bellin.
This is the American CDC Network.
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The Food and Drug Administration wants to take the popular allergy medicine, Seldan, off the market because of its potentially deadly side effects.
Celdane can cause problems with liver disease or cause problems with patients taking certain antifungal agents or antibiotics.
FDA spokesman Dr. Robert Temple says a new drug called Aragra provides all of the benefits of Sheldane, but without any of the risk when mixed with other medications.
The question no longer became should Sheldane be available along with Claritin along with the others.
It's should you continue to market Sheldane when you can get 100% of the benefit from taking its active metabolite and reduce the risk to zero.
Anybody else out there want to talk about time travel?
Where would you go?
What would you do?
When those diodes began to expand your soul and the zero vector kicked in, when the magnet was square over your belly and you began to vaporize into a different year, where would you go and what would you do?
That requires a little bit of thought.
You getting sick of the O.J. Simpson business, Me Too.
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Boy, man, that's back in the news again, big twin.
Often on at night, I try when I drive, but some food for facts on that are just to contemplate about, if you think about the description that Wormwood, they talk about Wormwood, and then you take that over, and did you know that the word Perinoble translated as Wormwood?
One other thing, real quick, Pam and her reptilian lovers and stuff.
Yep.
Well, there's a couple of things that I find interesting.
And one of those is as I was listening to you, and I've been listening to some tapes from this guy called Tuck Nick who goes into, he's a Bible scholar, but he goes along with a lot of the stuff like what Colgren and of them talk about and a lot of the old Hebrew text that's never been translated quite correctly in the English language.
But I was listening to that and there were some tapes that he had on Mars and the Nephilim.
And think about this and go back to the encounter that Pam had with the reptilian.
Remember the movie Rosemary's Baby?
Oh, yeah.
I believe that was a prophetic movie about the birth of the Antichrist.
And did you take the timetable when that was going to be?
Hal's birthday was yesterday, and unfortunately, I was not on the air, so I very belated.
Happy birthday to Hal.
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Well, you know, they're just one step ahead of IBM anyway.
I know different note.
So I had heard of this, that there's this veterinary doctor.
Yes.
That he's been studying to be, he studied actually and became a human doctor, if you will.
Yeah.
And he's got some interesting things to say about how the medical profession tries to hold back that nutrition being aimed instead of so that we can take expensive treatments instead of just having nutrition.
Heaven forbid, nutrition should keep people healthy and doctors' offices.
What would they do?
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Well, he said they should, you know, use the same kind of stuff we use on veterinary science to cure people because if they had to do the same thing for the animals, we'd never have any food.
I know, but it wouldn't work for time travel because everything would get gobbled up in the past, so you wouldn't be able to go back there, and there would be nothing in the future yet.
Well, I wasn't suggesting the same thing that Stephen was talking about.
I just thought the movie as a movie, particularly before the Langoliers showed up, you know, the munching on things, it was so suspenseful, and I had no idea where it was going.
What brings to mind on that is, have you seen the show Sliders?
No.
Oh, well, you've got to check that out because these guys have this, like, handheld thing that they push a button and it slides them into a different dimension.
So but I, you know, the things that you were talking about and going, God, I've seen all that stuff on TV.
Being able to go, you know, I did ask him the question.
I mean, why not?
If you you know, if you're in travel in time, then why not just, you know, a few months into the future, a look at a few stocks, a couple of quick trades.
But, and what I was going to say, you know, the thing that gets me about these, you know, if we ever talk one-on-one, we could probably share some things with you sometime.
Oh, I do, but once it's declassified, I mean, you know, there's, you know, so it's, you know, they're never family anyway, hopefully, unless somebody's tapping my line.
I looked through so much stuff here, and I know it's here.
I'm just not sure where.
The other very, very interesting thing was that his device begins with a 7.8 hertz frequency, which is, as a matter of fact, a frequency that is thought to be the frequency in which the brain operates.
Substitute word soul, whatever you want.
The brain, the soul, the id, the whatever it is that we are, the energy we are, resonates at that frequency.
It's called The Day After Roswell's Supposed to Blow the lid off the whole thing.
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Well, if the government, the federal government, as much money as we put into it, has had it for 50 years, just that UFO, amongst others all over the world, they've got to have figured out how it flies, what it's made of.
You know, you've seen Roadrunner cartoons where they're in an elastic band, they just go way out there, and then they sort of pause for a second, and they start coming back.
Maybe we're just slightly past the pause, we're on our way back, and everything is reversing, and everything's going backwards.
All right, now, he's afraid to go through this thing.
Well, we were messing with some fiber optic bundles that were, gee, a good half-inch square and three or four foot long we'd picked up at a show, but we could actually get optical pictures through this thing.
Why don't he think about some kind of a fiber optic bundle to poke through there with video equipment on this then to see where it went?
Well, it's an idea, but this was David's wave, didn't he?
Now, hold tight for a minute.
It was his view that the gigantic electrical magnetic field that would be created, people said things like, get a long stick and put a video recorder and stick it through.
Well, that would be metal.
Well, a fiber optic line, though, would be disrupted by the same field.
Now, the second thing, Whitley Streeber, when he was on the Dreamland there a week or so ago, one of the things he said was one of the viewers said that Hail Mary broke away from Hailbob, and that's all he said.
Well, about three or four weeks ago, I had like a little premonition of this.
I think I sent you a fact that I thought this thing was going to break away and go in Earth orbit around the Sun in our orbit, only be 180 degrees from us, so we'd never see it on the other side of the Sun.
Anything is possible.
It may be possible that in another dimension right now, they're watching X-Files and all the rest of this sort of stuff being delivered by, guess what?
Why not make the same offer to Stephen Gibbons that you made to Mad Markham, that if he's willing to demonstrate his technology to see whether or not it works, that you'll film it?
I don't need to.
All I'd need to do, if I really wanted to do it, would be to send away to get a catalog or get one of the machines and give it a shot.
So either way, you can either buy the machine and try it yourself or have them demonstrate it and then frankly, I don't think anybody's really going to much get by one anyway.
He said he had three in stock.
I asked him how long it took.
It took quite a while to make one.
So based on the number of listeners, he can make one a day if he works real hard at it because it takes him 9 to 12 hours to make one.
Do you know what Steve Gibbs' interview does to somebody that has always listened to anything to do with time travel, watched any time travel movies, has always been fascinated with it?
And if they don't hear somebody who sounds polished like a real downtown speaker, you know, with a real spiel, then they don't believe a word they hear.
And that tells you how I guess they've become just too media savvy.
If it doesn't sound like it would wash on meet the press on Sunday, why it's just not believable.
If it's a regular person, it can't be believable.
Well, I've got a friend Kevin from Bailey, Colorado.
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And as soon as he gets back to town, I know he's looking.
I really do enjoy the whole subject and always have of time travel.
And I do believe, whether it's Stephen Gibbs, Mad Man, or somebody like him, or somebody else out there that I've not yet spoken with nor interviewed, that one day it will be possible.
The aliens should have kicked our butts and we should have lost.
Then it would have been, you know, the one cool thing about that movie, I know this doesn't, you may not hear this said elsewhere, but the aliens didn't want to make a deal.
She states that all of the alien encounters that we have, quotes we have, are really travelers from our own future.
Well, that's certainly possible, isn't it?
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And that they're back here to warn us that we're messing up or messing with the planet right now and all of this stuff.
It's kind of interesting.
She takes all the evidence for aliens now and says that it's really being misunderstood by people.
But that they're really time travelers for my own future, all of this.
But for instance, as a little guys with the real big heads, you know, human evolution, you know, people get smarter and smarter, so their heads get bigger and bigger, and yet people, as they are doing now, exercise less.
I have always been fascinated with the concept of time travel.
Fact, fascinated with the concept of time period, absolutely fascinated with the concept of time.
I'm not sure that any of us properly understand it.
I think that it is our invention and if you embrace that concept that time you know may be our invention, then you've got to allow that travel within this thing that we don't understand is entirely possible, perhaps in a way we don't understand.
Yes sir, and I wanted to mention that his radioi device sounds very much like an evolution of the DeLaWart camera, which was invented back in the 50s and they used it in England to make time photographs.
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This is a documented fact.
It was written in a book called The Black Box by Steven Turner.
And as far as the frequency goes, 7.8 cycles per second, that's just right in the mid-range of the alpha area, and a lot of the yogis I understand go beyond that into theta to force cycles, and that's how they get some of their effects.
I just wanted to know that, from what I heard him say, it sounds very much like he might have a device that actually works.
He might, because I have seen models of the Hieronymous machine the original and model for the Delawart camera, and I've seen the Dealer War camera in action, and it's a professionating machine.
I keep trying to tell people, just because a guest is a certain way which makes them easy.
You know, somebody talks on a topic like this.
It no matter how they present it, it's easy to take off at them.
Yes, it is, but you've got to be really careful.
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It would seem that the devices would actually work and the guys that make them, these garage gadgeteers, as sometimes they're called, are the ones that are getting hit the most.
They sound so far off but yet they're the ones that always come up with the invention.
All right okay, those uh, weight tossing gyros yes oh yes yeah these uh, these things.
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All they do is they shoot weight up about 40 cycles per second 40 huh, 40 cycles upwards at an angle and what it does is the weights hit the top and then they cancel out all their g after that, but they cancel it out at the top of the oval rotation on the track interesting.
So it kind of shoots it up like co2 and a uh and like uh, a motorcycle engine.