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Sept. 3, 1997 - Art Bell
02:48:25
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gulf War Syndrome - Joyce Riley - Stan Deyo - Ocean Warming
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Welcome to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September
3rd, 1997.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning as the case may be, and welcome to the best in live, in fact the largest in live, overnight talk radio in America, from and beyond.
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Virgin Islands south into South America, North all the way to the pole, this is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
It's good to be here.
And we have got a real shock ahead for you.
My guest tonight is going to be Joyce Riley.
And she now knows something that'll turn your face red with anger when you hear it.
Frankly, I didn't believe it.
I'm not sure I still do.
We're gonna have to get her to Lay out the details for us, and we'll do that in a moment.
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Alright, a-whoo!
Who is Joyce Riley?
Joyce Riley is a nurse.
turned activist.
Joyce Riley is a nurse who treated Gulf War veterans and began to detect that they had some sort of terrible illness.
Some sort of illness.
Gulf War illness.
Some kind of malady.
Then she got sick.
Then she found out about more and more sick and dying, because many have died, Gulf War vets.
And I guess it turned her activist to see all that occurring and not to be able to get anywhere in terms of trying to get something, the government to recognize what was going on and treat these vets.
Ran into a stone wall everywhere she turned.
And we have talked to her any number of times.
Tonight we will talk to her because she has new information.
Joyce, welcome to the program.
Well, thank you, Art.
I appreciate that, but I appreciate the term advocate better.
I'm an advocate for death war veterans, yes.
Well, you're pretty active, too.
Yeah, I am.
So you're an active advocate, at the least.
Yes.
And we need to be, because this problem is not getting any better.
It's getting worse.
It's getting more and more serious, for sure.
Well, you've got some really shocking news now.
Let me ask you this.
Is everything that you have previously said about Gulf War illness still operative or does this news change what you previously thought?
No, it does not change it other than I believe that we can change the percentage of the reasons why we have the Gulf War illness right now.
We talked initially about biological and chemical being a certain percentage of the problem.
I believe now That biological, if you include the vaccines now, to cause about 70% of the problems Gulf War veterans are having right now, then the remaining 30% would be related to depleted uranium, the chemical and biological issues.
So about 70% of all the problems, you believe now, are biological in nature, not chemical?
That's correct.
And I think that what the Pentagon is doing with the chemical issues surrounding Camasia, etc., are just nothing but red herrings.
They're wanting people to focus on these issues.
They are not the issue.
The chemical issue does not spread a disease into the general population, and we are seeing a spread of this disease.
Yes, I know.
Absolutely.
We are seeing hundreds and thousands of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, polymyositis, these diseases to which no one can find a cure for, no one can find a treatment for, and they're only getting worse, and Gulf War veterans are only getting worse also.
Alright, briefly explain what those are.
Okay, let me just briefly back up and give my There's a statement here that the U.S.
government, we found out now, has been experimenting on the military for years and years and years.
This is not anything new.
We all know that.
They've done it for 64 years.
And they even admitted to it.
But the issue of experimentation gets into one that is of paramount ethical importance.
When you experiment with things that are going to be dangerous to your troops, you do not experiment on people without their knowledge.
There was something called the Nuremberg Trials that the United States called for.
And ask to be held and that is supposed to protect the American public from that ever happening again or the world from ever happening again.
Unfortunately, we find now that in the military establishment as well as in the general population, there is experimentation which does exist and it does violate the Nuremberg Code.
Now, with respect to that, we have new information regarding the vaccines that were utilized on Gulf War veterans.
Now, I'm going to refer to, literally, these are all government documents that I have.
These are all documents that have been declassified.
They were originally classified as secret.
And when I obtained them, of course, they were unclassified at that point.
They date back to 1990.
These are all documents regarding the vaccine.
Now, this is not my opinion, so I will tell you what is opinion, and I will tell you what is my conjecture from all of this.
That'll keep us out of trouble.
Because I think it's very, very important here that we not jump to any conclusions, but we need to start addressing the issue of vaccines because the Pentagon, as you know, has taken six years to even look at Camascia, which they can't even remember whether or not that happened or not.
And they can't understand that the American public is now clamoring for some answers.
The American public and its military.
Well, when we go into something called the Tri-Service Vaccine Task Force, We find that this vaccine task force was held in 1990, and it was instituted to try out certain vaccines.
Now, let me say that you do not try out vaccines during wartime.
That is not the time to do it.
You want to make sure you have things that are safe, because you don't want your army dropping dead of the vaccine reaction on the field, obviously.
All right.
Let me tell you what I always thought, Joyce.
I always thought that When they went into the Gulf War, they suspected there might be the use of chemical or biological weapons, and they had some vaccines that they had vetted at least to some degree.
And they were going to try those, or did try those, and gave some vaccinations to try and protect against chemical exposure.
That's what I seem to recall.
But that's not quite accurate?
Well, those are two of the immunizations, yes.
Botulinum and anthrax.
And while we're on that, let's deal with the botulinum, because this is an area of incredible discrepancy
between the Pentagon and what really happened.
In fact, General Schwarzkopf went before the Senate in 1997, this year, January 29th,
and stated that 8,000 of the Gulf War veterans did receive the botulinum toxoid.
But he said, we knew it wasn't approved, so we gave them a statement to read.
They all had to read this statement, deciding whether or not they wanted to take it.
And if they didn't want to take it, they didn't have to.
Now that was what General Schwarzkopf testified, by the way he was not sworn in.
Well, that is not the truth.
I have not talked to one Gulf War veteran who has ever given a statement to read, and the evidence in government reports shows now that there were never any records kept, nor were there any statements taken, nor were there any signatures gathered, nor was it even documented in the shot records.
So right there, we have General Schwarzkopf in the hugest of lies.
Why would they not document it after everything else in the shot record?
Well, because these were classified immunizations, many of them.
In fact, I did receive one report out of a medical record from a Gulf War veteran and it stated that this private received a classified immunization on 11 January 1991.
And that's another thing that the Department of Defense has denied, is that there were any classified immunizations.
Well, the immunizations were not recorded in the shot records, and anybody who's been in the military knows that there's two things you always have, your shot record, your dog tags, and everything's supposed to be in there.
Oh, yes.
Well, we now have 700,000 missing shot records.
700,000?
That's correct.
Now, that's according to Paul Rodriguez of the Washington Times, who stated that...
Unbelievable.
700,000.
That's more troops than we sent to the Gulf War.
Well, we sent approximately that amount, and over the remaining two years subsequent to that, we sent close to 1.1 million.
But the issue is, if we have 700,000 missing, if we have 70,000 missing, we've got a problem.
Mine are missing.
I've never... I've talked to very, very few people who have a shot record left.
So we have to look at either two things.
The shot record had something in it they didn't want people to see, or the shot record didn't have something in there that they should have put in there.
It should have been at 700,000 records.
Yeah, that's according to Paul Rodriguez, the Washington Post.
I mean, you could begin burning and not be done burning until the end of next month if you had a giant pile, 700,000, my lord!
Well, there's 80% of the war logs missing also from General Schwarzkopf.
Now, where did 80% of your war logs go?
Give me a break.
I mean, are they missing, or are they just unaccounted for, or are they being sequestered someplace?
I don't know.
But for shot records to be missing is highly unusual.
I think they have a special government center, Joyce, where you will find those records eventually, along with the Roswell records and a million other records that were supposed to be there, but when investigation, official investigation, precedes suddenly why they're missing.
Well, absolutely.
And you know, it's amazing because one veteran told me from the Vietnam War, he said, you know, we knew the government was lying about Agent Orange.
We knew that.
And he said, you know, we let them lie.
We knew that they were lying.
And everybody went around saying, gee, we know the Department of Defense is lying over this issue.
And he said, we gave them license to do it again.
So how many times have you and I said, gee, we know the government's lying about this?
Who's saying that about Agent Orange?
Oh, that was one veteran that had contacted me.
Okay, well, you know, I was there, and I knew Agent Orange was being used, but I did not know that it had toxic, negative effects on human beings.
I didn't know that.
But did you know afterwards, when people became ill, they had... Oh, yes.
There was something wrong.
Oh, yes.
But I mean, at the time, in-country, no way.
And what did the government say?
That it was defoliate.
Right, but they said these guys had mental problems, didn't they?
They'll put in VAs.
Well, now you're talking about after the illnesses began.
I'm talking about at the time of use.
Believe me, nobody was told.
Nobody that I know knew.
Oh, correct.
Correct.
Yes.
Absolutely.
I mean, people were practically washing in that stuff over there.
Yep.
So, it's no wonder that we have these deaths from cancer.
And by the way, I still want to go back and say, those men and women have never been treated.
They were never treated for Agent Orange exposure.
It is time that we go back and we Well, I wonder, I really wonder Joyce, and maybe you've looked into this, but if they were doing that then, what are they doing now?
exodus government it is time that we look at their problems and compensate
them and get them treated and they've never been treated for agent orange
exposure well I wonder I really wonder Joyce and maybe you've looked into this
but if they were doing that then what are they doing now I mean there's I
believe they are still experimenting in segments of the military today I would I
I would be willing to bet money.
Well, in fact, I'm going to show you an example of that in just a second here, in which the Tri-Service Committee was organized to decide which immunizations were going to be given, and then to test for their safety on the battlefield.
Alright, you said Tri-Service Vaccine Task Force.
What is that?
Okay, that appears to be the Army, Navy, and Air Force The commander, by the way, is at USA Medical Research and Development Command in Fort Detroit, Maryland.
This tri-service vaccine task force was headed by a colonel named Edmund C. Tremont, T-R-A-M-O-N-T, who I understand now denies that he was the head of this committee.
However, I have the unclassified memorandum, the confidential now unclassified memorandum with his signature on it.
That they were trying to find out what would be good for Gulf War veterans to use during the war and they decided to use certain quote-unquote untested items.
These were not proven to be safe.
In fact, one of them that they state they were going to use recommend Institute available IND, that's Institutional New Drug or Investigational New Drug, cholera vaccine immediately to prevent diarrhea.
He said they were going to provide a cholera vaccine that had not been proven safe, and I know that some troops did get this, and it was an investigational drug.
You cannot do that without consent.
You cannot do that to your troops.
Another one that was given was an investigational drug, hepatitis A vaccine, to obviously prevent hepatitis A. However, in 1990, 1991, it was not approved.
Joyce, what is the regulation, military or otherwise, that says you may not give a drug that is not fully proven in some manner to military guys?
Because when you're a military guy, I was there, Joyce, in lots of countries where I had to get shot records updated.
You are not asked if you want the shot.
You get in line and there's a guy with a gun usually going into your arm.
And that's all there is to it.
I mean, you don't argue with them.
There's no discussion about whether or not you want it, what kind of shot this is.
Here's your shot, and that's it.
Absolutely.
That's how it works.
However, if they are proven to be safe by the FDA, then you essentially get it.
If you ask, you should be told what you're getting, and it should be recorded in your shot record.
In this particular case, they were not recorded in the shot record.
You were not allowed to know what it was, and you were not allowed to say no.
That's not good.
No, it's obviously not.
These recommendations come down from the FDA.
So, this is really an FDA requirement, not a military requirement.
But anything that is listed as an IND or an Investigational New Drug cannot be given without your permission.
You must make the decision whether or not you want it after hearing whether or not there are complications, whether or not there are problems attached to this drug.
You want to take a moment out to shut that ringer off?
It's done.
Okay.
All right.
So, again, I would ask, is there a specific military reg, do you know, that spells out what they've got to tell you you're getting?
That I can't answer.
That I do not know the answer to.
I believe that it's more of the Nuremberg Code.
That is something that we believe is something inherent in what America is all about, is you don't violate the Nuremberg Code.
Because, you see, The Nuremberg Code does not specify military versus civilian.
It makes no separation there.
It has got to be that you are informed of what you get.
And the military knows that also.
I mean, the military is fully aware, and that's why they had to banter around the issue of whether these were going to be given or not without informed consent.
And they said that they were going to be given without informed consent.
Let me read one other thing here regarding the name of this project.
They wanted to establish as high priority the institution of a Manhattan-like project, and I'm quoting from Edward Tremont's memo.
Establish as high priority the institution of a Manhattan-like project to evaluate the above vaccines in a real operational setting.
In other words, they were going to take these vaccines into the war zone to find out how they worked.
And again, you don't take vaccines into a war zone to see if they work or not.
You know, what if your troops all suddenly died and you wouldn't have much of a fight on your hand?
Well, out of curiosity, if you were going to do human trials, Joyce, of something that would, say, allow you to be exposed to botulism and live, how would you do them without going into a real environment, without risking lives?
In other words, lives were going to be risked anyway, correct?
And they may have assumed this is the proper time.
This drug is at a stage where it is ready for human trials.
When we come back, let us address that point.
It's the bottom of the hour.
Yep, I remember.
I was in the Air Force.
You didn't ask.
You did not discuss what you got.
You just got in line.
And a guy, usually looking very bored, with a shotgun.
Put it up against your arm, went, shh, and you got some sort of soup.
You had no idea what it was.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
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tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast a m from september third nineteen
ninety seven here again i am my guest is joyce riley a nurse
who herself became ill with gulf war illness and uh... what lies ahead is going to be quite a shocker
for you Bye.
All right, here's Joyce Riley once again from, I think, Houston.
Are you at home?
Yes, I am.
I'm really in Missouri City, Texas.
And by the way, we have a new website.
One of your listeners has come along and helped us out to get a website.
And I want to thank him very much.
Gary Robinson here of Houston.
And we're at www.
Well, that's good.
All right.
w w w golf war bet dot com
and on their is the schedule where we're going to be presenting all of this
evidence very shortly all around the country and well pay when we go around the country your listeners are
uh... that one of the front row of all tell you
well that's good uh... alright joys you know uh... i know that you know when you go into
the military particularly as an enlisted man which i was
mom and dad are gone and the military is now your mom and dad
And you trust them that way.
I mean, it's like they are your family, and you just do what they tell you to do.
It's just how it is.
You take a shot, period.
They say take a shot, you say, how many?
That's right.
Something like that.
All right, um, what is it you have detected now that they have been given what?
Okay, here's what we believe at this point in time is that many drugs were investigated on our troops.
Literally, we were the victims of experiment after experiment by pharmaceutical companies using large numbers of people to utilize different types of immunizations or drugs or whatever you want to call it.
Now, the Washington Times came forward with some information which we had heard about and we knew about but didn't have any real hard evidence to go on and that was that there was a compound It's called squalene, S-Q-U-A-L-E-N-E, that was being found in the bloodstream of Gulf War veterans.
Squalene?
Squalene.
Isn't that a derivative of shark?
It is.
That's the natural form of it.
There is an artificial form of squalene, and this is the artificial form of it.
It's an adjuvant, an oil-based adjuvant that's added to immunizations to make them more effective, if you will.
Now the problem with squalene is that it shouldn't be in the body because there's only a couple of experiments that are going on right now in which they have been allowed to use squalene.
So when some physicians started finding squalene in the blood of Gulf War veterans, they began asking questions.
Alright, let me back you up a little bit.
Squalene, what is the alleged benefit of squalene?
It simply maximizes the effect of an immunization.
But it is also used, because I remember I had an advertiser once, or there was an advertiser at a station in which I was working, in which squalene was being bandied about as, I think, an anti-cancer type drug.
Could that be?
That's right.
From shark cartilage.
Yes.
And yes, it is utilized for several things in the oral route.
When you take it orally.
Okay.
But when it is mixed and made into an oil base, it is not approved for use.
It is highly experimental.
There's only a couple of cases right now that we know of where it's being used.
One in a malaria experiment and one in anti-AIDS vaccine.
Now, when 400 Gulf War veterans turned up positive for squalene, there started to be a lot of questions asked.
Now, the information that appeared in the Washington Times and Insight Magazine by Paul Rodriguez Um, confirmed what we already knew, but it didn't really disclose any more sources or give any more information other than, um, they said that they had seen the 400 tests that had been done that turned positive for Gulf War veterans with squalene.
Okay.
Now, the important part of this is that you have to look at through the, you go into the internet and you find out where is squalene being used now, what types of experiments, and it's being used on anti AIDS experiments, anti AIDS vaccine.
It is our belief at this point in time, and it is my belief, I cannot prove it, but it is my belief at this point in time, that there was, as a part of the Manhattan Project that I just read to you, an experiment utilizing an anti-AIDS vaccine on the military.
Why would we need an anti-AIDS vaccine experimentally in the military who went to the Gulf War?
We wouldn't necessarily need it on the military.
We would need it in large numbers of people.
It's a large mass of people.
Now, we do know that there are experiments going on within the military.
I believe it was Dr. Redfield that was doing the experiments with the AIDS patients in the military.
There are AIDS patients, by the way, and there are people positive with AIDS.
And Dr. Don Burke, I believe, is the one doing the experiments on the non-AIDS individuals.
And at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, there is a unit up there, and the Gulf War unit is right with the AIDS unit.
The reason that I say this is because, I don't know if you recall, but from the very first time I was on the program, we talked about mycoplasma.
Mycoplasma incognitus.
Of course.
Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus.
Which was very much AIDS-like.
That's correct.
And it appears to be a retroviral piece of material, or it appears to be a form of, or a part of, the envelope gene of HIV-1.
Now, this has been found in so many people.
I cannot tell you.
We've had three independent labs doing the test on this.
Not just Dr. Nicholson in Irvine, California, but Dr. C. at UC Irvine, and also Dr. Vajani in Beverly Hills has a lab there in immunosciences.
And they began doing the test on chronic fatigue sufferers, fibromyalgia, and Gulf War veterans.
And lo and behold, they found about anywhere ranging from 40 to 60 percent of them positive With this mycoplasma.
Now the reason the mycoplasma is significant is because it appears to have 40% of the HIV-1 envelope gene attached to it or embedded deep into the nucleus of the white blood cell.
Now I was positive for this mycoplasma.
It is so rare.
It is so very rare, Art, that one should not have this mycoplasma fermentans incognitus or incognitus fermentans.
One should not have that.
What does it do?
What does it do to you?
Well, it causes a reaction within the body in which it essentially, for the terms of simplicity, infects each organ system.
It creates a problem in whichever organ system it attacks.
For instance, if the mycoplasma attacks the synovial cells, the joint cells in the body, it creates an artificial form of arthritis.
If it attacks the heart, it enlarges the heart, and it causes an enlargement of the heart, and an artificial cardiomyopathy, an idiopathic cardiomyopathy, which means swelling of the heart muscle.
We don't know why.
Now, this mycoplasma... Is it fair to say, Joyce, then, it allows opportunistic disease?
Absolutely.
Yes, it does.
Because that's what AIDS eventually does.
That's correct.
Something comes along, infects you, and kills you.
That's correct.
And so these diseases start superimposing themselves on the, if you will, the Gulf War veterans.
Alright, are you able to detect in these patients, Joyce, a lessening of the white cells?
And when somebody has the T-cells?
When somebody has AIDS, you're able to do a T-cell measurement and actually measure their diminished immune system?
Yes, they are able to do that.
But most Gulf War veterans, I will tell you, don't have the money to do those.
extensive immunological test and the VA will not do them.
But have you seen it in cases of, I can never say it, microplasma incognitus?
I have heard, yes.
I have gotten reports of it, yes I have.
And Dr. Nicholson has told me about this also.
Certainly he is much more in tune with the lab results than I am.
And yes, he is seeing that, a decrease.
There is an assault to the immune system.
We're finding these patients that are getting overwhelming Uh, infections similar to what you would get with HHV6, human herpes virus 6.
They're getting, uh, I can tell you right now that about 50% of the Gulf War veterans I talk to now have herpes.
And swear to me, they have not been unfaithful.
Uh, they have condylomata, they have different types of sexually transmitted diseases without being... Wait a minute, what percentage of Gulf War veterans have herpes?
About 50% of those that contact us now have herpes.
One out of every two.
And I think the nation percentage, national percentage, is one out of every six now.
And so, we're talking about, well, let's say they have an STD, a sexually transmitted disease, but many of them have not been involved in sexual relationships.
So, any type of assault to the immune system, such as an HHV-6 infection or opportunistic disease, is going to create this kind of problem.
To where Gulf War veterans are now getting overwhelming diseases.
Now, the one thing we don't know about is the carpose sarcoma.
We don't have any reports of the purple marks in the throat, dots in the throat.
But that's going to be the next thing we're going to be looking for.
Because it very, very closely relates to AIDS.
In fact, there have been some physicians that have told me that it should have been called Gulf War Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
And that is literally what we're now seeing, Art.
I got a call from Loma Linda, California, from a physician down there at the university, and he told me, he said, I'm looking at a patient right now who says he has Gulf War illness, and he told me to call you.
He said, what can you tell me about this?
And I said, first of all, let me tell you what your patient looks like clinically, without even seeing it.
And I described to him his patient, and he said, how did you know that?
And I said, because I've talked to hundreds of them, and I've seen hundreds of them.
These men, and he said, let me finish that, look like they have AIDS.
And I said, you're exactly right.
And he said, this patient is going to die.
I said, you're right.
And he said, he does not convert positive on the ELISA test, which is true.
That's the, you know, the primary AIDS test.
But we believe that maybe they might convert positive on the Western blot test if they were to go ahead and do that.
Most of the Gulf War veterans are being tested for ELISA.
On an ongoing basis, and they're negative.
Yeah, well, ELISA is the first cheaper, easier, faster test one takes.
And then if that is positive, the Western blot is second, correct?
That's correct.
That's correct.
But our concern is possibly that the Western blot may be seroconverted to positive.
They may be positive with that.
But the bottom line of everything that I am saying here is that if we believe, if it is possible that it could have happened, that we were tested with an anti-AIDS vaccine, Yes.
This violates everything we hold sacred in this country.
Now, we know the U.S.
government has been experimenting.
We know they have the right to do it with Title 50, which, by the way, there is a new law now to give back the right of informed consent that John Glenn has presented.
As a direct result of what happened on talk radio, John Glenn came forward and said, Title 50 isn't good, basically, and we need to give people the right to consent.
Well, we shouldn't have the right.
That is the way it should be.
We should consent.
But we have been tested for the past 50 years in this country.
And the last time we were on the program, we talked about the biological experiments done in 1977, the use of mosquitoes, the use of anti-personnel testing over the American cities.
And now it has come out in the newspaper that these things were much, much worse than we ever dreamed they were.
Well, that's too late now.
Forty years later, the damage is done.
And what we're saying is, America, understand that if your troops have been given an anti-AIDS vaccine against their will, which I don't know if anyone would have wanted to have taken it if they had wanted to, then so be it.
But we should have been told.
Because now, as a result of this, we are seeing about 40 percent of the Gulf War veterans with autoimmune diseases.
Alright, let's back up and think about this for a second.
An anti-AIDS vaccine.
Why would the military want to give an anti-AIDS vaccine to those men going into the Gulf War theater?
Because they thought that perhaps Saddam Hussein had some sort of AIDS virus he was going to explode above them or something or distribute in the theater of war or Because they simply wanted to test an anti-AIDS vaccine, which... I think it's the latter.
I think they wanted to test it.
It was not an issue of being in or out of war.
It was the issue of having a large number of people that you could segregate with the diagnosis of AIDS or without the diagnosis of AIDS.
I mean, what better group could you possibly track than the military, who must be tested for AIDS?
Of course.
So this was a perfect, perfect group of people to do your clinical trial then.
And I believe that it was that reason... Well, hell, they don't even do that to prisoners.
I mean, prisoners are informed that, you know, they're experimented on, but at least they're told and given an opportunity to volunteer, or not.
That's right, and every six months, I believe it is, in the military, you get an AIDS test.
That's correct.
So, was it a perfect place experiment?
Absolutely.
Now, if in fact this is true, and here again, I'm going by what other people have presented as their information, be it the Washington Times or be it the London Press, which did on the front page of the London Times recently have the article that anti-AIDS vaccine given to U.S.
military.
Now, a lot of this is being based on the fact that squalene was given to our, or was found in our military.
Now, I've talked with about four or five GOPRO veterans recently that are positive for squalene.
They're very upset.
They're asking questions.
They want to know why they have this agent inside their body.
They're not supposed to have.
It's not approved for human use.
Alright, but the presence of squalene does not necessarily prove that it was used in conjunction with an anti-AIDS vaccine, right?
No, it is not 100% conclusive.
But I think by the next time we talk, we are going to have that information.
We have a lot of it right now, but I'm just not ready to Be that confident to come forward with it, and right now we're just speculating on why they have autoimmune diseases, why they are positive for squalene, because the issue is treatment.
The issue is we're trying to get treatment for these troops.
I'm not trying to track down who did what during the Gulf War and who's guilty of what.
My issue is I'm trying to say, America, your military is sick.
They're very sick.
And they are coming to me and calling me as not having any other person out there that will even believe them.
And let me just give you an example.
A marine wife called me the other day, and bless her heart, this woman is so caring about her husband.
He's active duty.
And she has been fighting the battle.
They have sores all over their body.
They're very sick.
And she said, let me tell you, you don't know what it's like to have to suffer with your husband who's so sick all the time.
He can barely work, barely crawl to work.
He goes to work and they laugh when anybody mentions Gulf War illness.
You're not allowed to talk about it.
He's lost the use of his legs, the feeling in his legs, and he was sitting at McDonald's the other day and urinated on himself.
An active duty Marine.
You know, people don't do this.
They don't lose the loss of bowel and bladder as a result of service in the Gulf because you experience some stress.
All right, let's imagine that they were given an anti-AIDS vaccine and that it backfired and produced symptoms like AIDS, immune deficiency suppression.
AIDS, if you get it, lingers for a long time in the body before it produces some sort of active or allows some sort of active illness.
In other words, if you were not tested Western blot or otherwise, you might not even know about it for a decade.
For as long as a decade or more.
I don't know what the average time for AIDS is.
Probably less than a decade, if you get it, when symptoms begin to appear.
But wouldn't that be roughly the case with this as well?
Well, and I'm not an expert on AIDS, please, and I don't want to hold myself out of that.
But I would say that at this point in time, if we now have evidence of the HIV envelope gene in the blood of Gulf War veterans, We need to start thinking in terms of the fact that maybe it was accelerated in some form or fashion.
Later on, we're going to be talking about a DARPA project.
I'm not ready to talk about it today, but a Defense Advanced Research Project, which we believe plays into this also.
There's a lot more to this story than just we received a shot and now people have squalene.
There's a lot more to this.
The issue is that these people probably are going to suffer from something that in the next 10 to 15 years is going to take an awful lot of lives.
Squirreling, then, is an agent to speed up effects?
No, that would only be the adjuvant.
That's just the evidence that something experimental has been given.
To enhance, then, to enhance effects?
Well, I really can't answer that question either.
It could possibly be.
I couldn't say if it was or not.
I think that what enhanced it was actually given a portion of the HIV envelope gene.
And I think that the response that the Gulf War veterans are having to this is evidence in itself.
The very fact that the mycoplasma is being found now.
So we have to look for some central Uh, reason for all of this to happen.
And I think that Washington Times is probably onto something.
I don't know if they have the whole story, Paul Rodriguez, but I do think the very fact that all the shot records are missing, the troops are coming down ill with these diseases, and there is an awful lot of people out there, including physicians, that are calling me on the side and telling me, yes, this has to have been evidence of AIDS, anti-AIDS vaccine being given.
And I'm talking about immunologists and people who really are in the know.
And a lot of this information is not going to be proven.
I'm sure that we may never be able to prove these things.
But what we've got are sick troops.
What we've got are people that were victims of this so-called Manhattan Project, in which... And by the way, let me just read one other statement from a memorandum that's been declassified.
Alright, hold that until after the top of the hour, Joyce.
We're there right now.
So we'll be back to you in about eight minutes or so, okay?
Okay.
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I want to update you, before we go back to Joyce Rowley in a moment, on the situation in my little town of Pahrump, Nevada.
Our city fathers here have declared a state of emergency.
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We're expecting more rain, sporadically on and off, and heavy, between now and Sunday.
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Joyce, I've got a question from a listener.
Every experiment of the kind you have described must have a control group.
Joyce, know if there are troops who were not given the shot at all or must have been given some sort of placebo because they're doing just fine?
That's an excellent question.
There are troops that are doing well.
There are troops that served alongside some of the others that are okay and we don't know the reason for that.
There is also this other thing that comes into play which is the fact that 27 out of 28 coalition countries That served in the Persian Gulf, now reports sick and dying Gulf War veterans.
What about Canada?
Canada does report sick and dying Gulf War veterans.
So the situation there is exactly the same, and if this was some grand experiment, it would have been coordinated.
Well, I can't say that it's exactly in Canada, because they didn't have, of course, the numbers that we did.
But the issue is really with France, because France is the only country that did not Uh, does not report sick and dying Gulf War veterans out of all of the 28.
And what did they do that we didn't?
Well, they did not give immunizations, number one.
And number two, they gave doxycycline, the antibiotic, on a daily basis that we are now giving or seeing troops taking right now to treat them for the mycoplasma infection.
So, for whatever France knew that we didn't follow through with, evidently someone had some information.
Now, I'm not going to say there was a grand conspiracy.
I don't have any knowledge of that, but it could possibly be that that could be a control group.
Doxycycline is also used to treat Lyme, isn't it?
Yes, it is.
Lyme disease.
Yes, it is.
And we're finding that a lot of these diseases now are doxycycline, are helped by doxycycline, such as even rheumatoid arthritis.
They're now being given doxycycline, thinking that that may have a bacteriological base.
So, we're learning a lot about this microplasma that has been researched upon by the Department of Defense, we believe.
It was essentially found in the Department of Defense in the late 1980s, and has become, we believe, a carrier agent for other things.
Either that, or it would have had to have been a contaminant, of which I don't think it was.
Alright, here's another fact for you.
I remember Joyce saying in a previous interview that the Gulf War Syndrome seems to be contagious.
Is that true?
And if so, does she have any kind of information on AIDS being contagious?
I have seen recent evidence of it being possibly transmitted through sweat.
We heard recently of a kiss transmitting AIDS.
Has she heard or talked with Dr. Len Horowitz?
I remember him on your show saying he had proof that the Sloan Foundation created AIDS and possibly Ebola.
So, let's move back.
Do you still believe that whatever this is, is contagious?
Absolutely.
Not a doubt in my mind.
Over 80% of the people that contact us at the American Gulf War Veterans Association now report having transferred the disease to at least one other person.
80%?
Yes, 80%.
Now, let me give you a shocking factor.
And let me talk about one other document here that's very important because I just came across this.
I had no knowledge that this existed.
I was not aware that it had ever been submitted to Senator Don Riegel, but we got a copy of something called an interim report.
This interim report is about 32 pages, and it was presented to Senator Don Riegel in 1993.
The date on it is September 9th of 1993.
In there, it states that Gulf War veterans at that time that they had interviewed, 75% of them had reported that they had transferred the disease to at least one other person.
Alright, this I would consider critical, Joyce.
Seventy-five, eighty percent, that's a very high figure of transmission.
Now, are these transmissions, do you know, to sexual partners, for the most part, or entirely?
Or, is it a father's servicemen who have come back, and do we have cases transmitted to children?
Relatives other than those who would be sexual partners?
What do we see?
In all the above cases, yes.
We have reports of husband-to-wife transmission, which is the most common, obviously, from sex.
But now we're getting into some other situations in which, let's say, the male, I know this is a case in San Diego, the male served in the Gulf War.
Yes.
He gave the disease to his wife after returning from the Gulf War.
They have since divorced.
She has now married someone else.
And the subsequent husband is the one who contacted me and said, I've got the disease now.
Right.
All right.
That is frightening.
That could still be like an STD, though.
Sure.
But what I'm saying is to go through that many generations.
Sure.
That frightens me.
Well, it's frightening enough.
Is there any evidence that it is transmitted in ways other than sexual?
Oh, absolutely.
We know that the children in the families are coming down with it also.
What we're finding is close-living environments report the disease being transferred among the entire family.
In fact, Kevin Wright, the bodyguard, we played a statement from him, as you recall, saying General Schwarzkopf tell the American people the truth.
Yes, I recall.
Kevin Wright was on Extra TV, and he, Extra TV, volunteered to pay for him to have this mycoplasma test in his entire family.
Every one of them, except for one daughter, is now positive for this mycoplasma.
Now, were these daughters born prior to his service?
Okay, the one... It's a mixture.
There's daughters and sons.
And some of them were born before and some after.
That's really scary.
It is.
It really is.
His whole entire family is sick.
In fact, we just did a video with Kevin, with him telling General Schwarzkopf that he is lying to the American people.
And it's 55 minutes, made for television, and your people are always asking me, what can I do to help?
Well, this is what you can do to help.
Get it on your cable stations.
I wish every Art Bell area would get this on a cable station.
This video is professionally done, and it leaves the Pentagon nowhere to run.
It is so powerful.
It has Dan Topolsky, who was there at Camasea, telling what really happened.
And by the way, we also, for the first time, have the inside footage of Camasea.
Showing chemical weapons with U.S.
markings on it.
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And you say you've now got shots showing chemical weapons in bunkers, I presume, that came from America?
Absolutely.
Chemical weapons with markings on them with U.S.
markings.
Now, this video was taken at the time that they were inventorying the bunkers inside Camasilla.
Right.
They went inside.
The troops were there.
I believe there was a major and several of the enlisted guys were there.
And they shot the video to inventory the weapons.
Now, they couldn't touch anything, obviously.
But they were looking at just what was on the surface areas.
And in this video, you will see chemical weapons with this familiar yellow stripe around them.
Are you able to discern in any way from any of the markings what it would have been?
I cannot.
I personally cannot.
I have not asked Dan Topolsky that question.
But I believe, at one point, we talked about it probably as either sarin or tabin gas.
And I believe that was the response that he gave me.
But he says that he reported that there were chemical and biological weapons in there to Central Command, which is General Schwarzkopf.
That he reported that to his commander, who reported it then to Central Command.
And Central Command said, blow it anyway.
Knowing full well what was inside that bunker.
So, what we have done is gotten the video, put it in, put the clips in here so that you can actually see those weapons inside there.
And what you're going to see are weapons, and of course anybody who's a munitions expert can tell what types there are.
There's several 122mm, but there's a lot of different types of munitions in there.
But you will see weapons that are marked with Chinese markings, American markings, Russian markings, Jordanian markings.
But it's very sad when you see the U.S.
markings.
Now, that's the reason that videotape has not been released.
And we know that NBC, CBS, and ABC has it.
And CNN.
But they have not released those portions of that video to the American public.
But when we found this report... Why not, Joyce?
I mean, we've been through an awful bunch of scandals.
Ollie North, things going on in the basement.
You remember that?
All of that came out.
The networks jumped on that like flies on fertilizer.
Now, why wouldn't they jump on this?
Well, I can't answer that question other than there are tremendous political and criminal implications in what has gone on here.
Because we sold to a third world country weapons of mass destruction we were not supposed to even be making.
We sold them and we sent our troops into harm's way.
Now, I've heard a lot of different stories from people who try to speculate as to why the government is not coming forward with the truth.
Well, you're right about that.
There's a hell of a big difference between, say, a bunch of TOW missiles, which accounted for the Iran crisis, and weapons of mass destruction, like chemical or biological weapons.
I just can't believe we sold that to Iraq.
Well, the proof is already out there.
The evidence exists.
In the Regal Report, Senate Report 103-900, I mean the evidence is there, and that report comes from the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, and it's dated May 25th of 1994.
This report is 550 pages long, and by the way, the U.S.
government's taking it off the market now.
Since we started talking about it on your program, it has suddenly become unavailable.
Unavailable.
We're making it available because we want to help the government out.
We're sure they want you to know the truth, so we're going to go ahead and provide it to people.
But let me just share with you that on the pages, I believe it's pages 120 in the document, it shows the companies that sold to Saddam Hussein.
Primarily, it was the American Type Culture Collection out of Rockville, Maryland, and they were selling biological agents that list the batch number, the date, Um, and they are going directly to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission.
So one has to ask the question, um, if this evidence exists, and it's here, it's plain as day, uh, why?
And I have talked to investigational reporter after, after journalistic, um, supposed journalistic reporter who get real excited at this story when they see the evidence that I've got, and then all of a sudden the story goes nowhere.
Why do you think that is?
Well, again, I think we violated international rules and regulations.
I think there are tremendous political implications here.
I think the Bush administration is very much guilty for what they did.
And then I have to also step and say that on the other hand, we have to look at what happened with Hillary Clinton's involvement just on her side of the issue of having sat on the board of a corporation that was selling and arming Saddam Hussein through The war.
Through the war.
Through the war?
Yes.
While the war was going on?
That's correct.
Now, there is a company called the Farge Corporation out of Marblehead, Ohio.
Yes.
Related to Kenna Metal Corporation.
Now, during the war, they were found to have been selling to Saddam Hussein through March 31st of 1991, which is during the war.
Directly?
Not through Jordan, but directly?
No, they were directly selling.
They were marking them ECC.
They were transshipping to the UK.
They transshipped to the UK in violation of the Export Control Administration Act, and then fraudulently marked made in the ECC for shipment to Iraq.
So they didn't go direct, they were transshipped.
However, it was illegal to do that.
It was not supposed to have been done that.
And so there is a letter, and by the way if you go to our website... The UK was also involved as one of our partners in that war, so are you suggesting the UK then was trans-shipping during that period of time that we were at war?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Jordan was, we know that South America was assisting in it, and now we know that the UK was.
In fact, Kenna Metal has already been fined.
There was an investigation with the Department of Treasury And all this information, if you go to our website, it's on there.
Go under the American, I believe it's called the American Veterans Justice Foundation link, and go to the Hillary Clinton information, and you will see the letter from the Treasury Department.
Because the Treasury Department then fined Canna Metal Corporation $13,700, which is obviously a drop in the bucket.
But they didn't want to make, I think, a lot of, a big issue of this case.
Um, this case was really investigated back when, uh, oh, let's see, Representative Gonzales of San Antonio brought it before the Banking Committee, I believe, in 1992.
And at that time, uh, the investigation began.
Well, the investigation was ended just about three months ago.
And, uh, Hillary Clinton served on the board of Lafarge Corporation from 1990 through 1992.
1990 through 1992. During the time, now she was accused by Sarah McLendon of trading with
the enemy as a result of those actions.
Um, in fact, there's a letter I have here from the attorney to the Treasury Department regarding Hillary Clinton.
I'll just share a little bit of this with you.
Under 18 U.S.C.
371, Lafarge is liable as a co-conspirator for the crimes committed by Kennametal and others in furtherance of the conspiracy.
Since the shipments which were in violation of the trade embargo with the Trading with the Enemy Act, which occurred between August 90 and March 91, the First Lady's potential liability as a director and corporate agent of Lafarge, moreover serious conflict of interest issues, are raised by the fact that Lafarge Corporation from 90 to 92.
I am obviously concerned about the possible correlation between the Office of Foreign Asset Control's continued lack of action and the First Lady's potential liability As a director and corporate agent of Lafarge.
All right, hold it right there and we'll be right back.
My guest is Joyce Riley and we're talking about the Gulf War Syndrome and some of the politics involved in it as well.
I guess I'm to the point where nothing surprises me.
How about you?
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
Joyce Riley is here.
We're talking about the Gulf War illness, which seems an understatement.
It seems opportunistic.
It seems an awful lot like AIDS.
And what she's telling us this night is that it may be in fact A grand AIDS vaccine experiment.
she's leaning toward uh... back right now and uh... we'll talk more about it in
a moment but now to choice rally
Joyce?
Yes, sir?
Okay, go right ahead.
Well, we were talking about Hillary Clinton's involvement in the possible trading with the enemy incident.
Is it possible that Hillary Clinton was on that board and was not aware of what was going on?
Well, I think given the fact of the information that I've been told about how she got on the board and that kind of thing, there's more to the story than just the fact she was sitting on the board of this corporation.
I do think that she would have had to have known.
That's my own personal opinion.
Can we prove it?
No.
But I think the issue is the fact that board members are held responsible for their corporations.
You bet.
And can be sued.
We have to look at the fact, this is very compelling, when you have a president's wife sitting on the board of a corporation that is arming Iraq.
Literally arming Iraq.
Alright, look, let's go back to the basics with regard to the fact that you have got photographs now of U.S.
chemical weapons in Iraqi bunkers.
Now, we've talked about that before, and I would like to... Do you have this photograph on your website?
No, I can get you the video.
I don't have the photograph on the website, though.
But I do have the video.
If you will get me the video, I'll take a still photograph of that exact thing and put it on my website.
And I'll give it to you and you can put it on your website.
Excellent.
Excellent.
It's not, unfortunately it's grainy because it's several generations but the Pentagon does have the primary set of these photos or the video and unfortunately they have not released it but I will definitely get you that video and I encourage everybody to get that video and get it out to the community access station.
Well is it clear enough that somebody who knows biological weapons recognizes what they see?
Yes, yes.
Every munitions expert, every NBC, nuclear, biological and chemical The engineer that I've talked to has been able to identify the potential biological and chemical agency.
Because of the banding around them, the stripes around them, which General Schwartzcock even said in his testimony, we label our chemical weapons with color codes, such as yellow and green.
Right.
And these have those color codes on them.
Okay, well you know, if that is true Joyce, that's the easiest way to open the can.
If you really want to get it open, then let's get that photograph out widely.
And believe me, believe me, it will produce a big investigation.
Well, I hope it does.
It's about time.
Absolutely about time.
You know, we were talking about why the U.S.
doesn't want all this information to come out.
Well, we were talking about the sale of biologicals and chemicals.
Well, the United States armed Iraq, Germany armed Iraq, U.K.
armed Iraq.
The West became the death lobby for Iraq.
Saddam Hussein could not have done what he did without the West.
In fact, there's a book that's been written about it.
One's called Spider's Web, which has been taken off the market.
In fact, I was told it was taken off the week it came out.
And one called The Death Lobby, How the West Armed Iraq.
And in it, Kenneth Timmerman lists all of the companies and corporations that armed Iraq and the whole story behind it.
Well, interestingly enough, there are 83 companies that have had a lawsuit filed against them in the United States by the Gulf War veterans.
It's a class action suit.
Now, I am not a party to this lawsuit, and I do not plan on becoming a party to anything that has any dollar signs attached to it, but I do tell this to Gulf War veterans that may not know that there is a class action suit out there.
But these are defendants in the Gulf War case, and there is a company called Sigma Aldrich Corporation.
I'm going to focus on them.
They are a defendant, and this is on the front page of the St.
Louis Post-Dispatch dated July 9th of 1996.
And what is alleged about them?
That they were selling biologicals without export licenses.
Sigma Aldrich Corporation of St.
Louis agreed to pay a $480,000 fine to settle federal allegations that it illegally exported toxins that could be used in biological warfare.
The Commerce Department officials said the investigation of Sigma's trading business found that on 48 occasions between July of 92 and January of 93, They were selling to places like Libya and Iraq.
I mean, this is incredible.
It mentions Libya and Iraq as such renegade nations.
I mean, what is going on in this country if we are arming these unstable third world countries?
We are getting what we ask for.
Can you pry a first or second generation copy or photographs from the Defense Department with the Freedom of Information Act?
That's a good question.
We'll certainly try.
I would endeavor to do that.
If you know what you're going after with that act, it's a pretty good chance you can get it.
We will certainly attempt to do that, because I know that it exists.
I've seen clips of this on CNN, so I know CNN has a copy of it also.
Well, I have good friends at CNN.
They've got the copy.
I know they do.
And it's just a matter of when they're going to be coming forward with this.
So the issue of selling chemical and biological weapons, though, is already proven in Senate Report 103-900.
I mean, it's in there.
It lists the dates they were transferred.
It lists the batch numbers of the biologicals.
I mean, there's no question about it.
So, you know, this information has been out there.
It just has not been brought forward to the American public.
And if you don't know where to go to find it, It's not going to jump out at you for sure.
These were, by the way, class 3 pathogens.
Bacillus anthracis.
Now, how did we know Saddam Hussein was going to use anthrax on us?
We sold it to him.
We sold it to him, yeah.
May 2nd of 1986, the batch went to the Ministry of Higher Education.
Bricella abortus.
How did we know he was going to use Clostridium botulinum?
Because the American Type Culture Collection batch 0818 sold it to him.
We've got the dates, times, places, everything is in this document.
And because people don't look at it, don't get the documents, and don't study it, they sit at home and listen to CNN and think, oh well, if it was true, it would be on CNN.
I'm sorry.
And so we put together this video because it's got nothing but documentation in it.
Nobody can walk away from that and say, I don't think so.
Nobody can.
Because it's too well documented.
Now, where is the Pentagon going to go?
By the way, back to Hillary Clinton.
Before I finish that, I want to say that the Treasury Department did respond to a letter.
The letter was to what had happened with the investigation of Hillary Clinton sitting on the board of a corporation that was arming Iraq or that was providing weapons.
And the response came on August 18th of this year from the Department of Treasury from a guy named R. Richard Newcomb, Director of the Foreign Assets Control, and it says, The U.S.
Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control reached a civil monetary penalty settlement under the Iraq Sanctions Program with Kennemental, and the matter is now closed before this office.
This case was previously under investigation by the United States Department of Justice and Customs Service, and it was forwarded to OFAC for civil penalty consideration.
So it is a closed investigation now.
But the Gulf War veterans, and the young man that did this, his name is Danny Wolfe in Lawton, Oklahoma, is the one that did all the work on this.
Gulf War veterans are having to give up everything they own, literally, to try and track down and get the Pentagon to come clean.
Okay, we still have a lot of service people rotating into the Gulf.
What are they now being exposed to?
Well, Dr. Nicholson has told me that the biologicals will retain their life for about 10 years in the sand.
They bind to the silicon in the sand.
If that is in fact true, then they can be exposed to biological weapons just like our troops were.
I have had reports from troops serving in such as Fort Walton Beach, Florida and here in Texas, the military base here in Texas, Fort Hood, that have come back as late as 1995 and been ill.
So I've been hearing about people that served only a three month rotation in 1995 and they're now sick.
The tragedy is that this disease is rampant, we believe, in the theater of operations.
And those countries that surround that area, Dr. Nicholson has told me that he's gotten reports that about 20% of those people, excluding Syria, we have no figures for Syria, but 20% of those people are ill.
And that I've talked to several people from Iraq that have told me that there have been 2 million deaths in Iraq subsequent to the Gulf War of some type of Gulf War illness.
2 million?
Yes, two million.
And today I got a phone call from Holland from a young lady who serves in the military over there.
I believe she's an air traffic controller in the Dutch military.
And she said, we're sick.
They're calling it the military disease over there.
She said, we are so sick.
And she is coming to the United States to meet me because she wants to go back to Holland and do the same thing that I'm doing here.
And she went to her commander to tell her commander that she was ill.
He told her she needed to get psychological help.
Well, when she contacted me the first time, I asked her to fax me all of her symptoms before I prejudiced her with what our disease is.
And I will tell you, Art, that all 18 of those were identical to the symptoms of our Gulf War veterans.
All right.
Well, I think what we have to do, Joyce, is to break this investigation open.
And there are several ways we can do that.
I think showing clearly On a high-traffic website like mine, I've got almost 5 million people since the first of the year.
Wow.
That would be the way to do it.
Now, if I can get a photograph that is sufficient from your tape, I'll post that.
And I promise you, if those are U.S.
weapons, we will get an investigation open.
There's no question about it.
Then, the other route that I would like to take is to go to CNN.
I have contacts at CNN, and see if they have yet a better quality tape.
And if they do, I can probably get hold of it.
In other words, we've got to get officials moving on this, and there's nothing like visual proof to pry people into action.
I think that's outstanding.
I think it's far overdue.
Yeah, so send me, let us begin by your sending me a copy of that tape.
I will then Put the photograph such as it is up, and I will use it to go to CNN.
Okay.
And we'll proceed from there.
I would like to do that, if you're willing.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I would welcome it.
I mean, the Gulf War veterans will be thrilled over this country to get the truth out.
Is the issue going to be chemical?
No, I don't think so.
But it's just further proof, though, that we have been lied to, and it's time that the world know the truth.
And our website is www.gulfwarvets.com.
And I will get you the full report of 103-900, the 500 page report also.
Because those pages, I think, are equally as significant.
They probably need to go on the website also.
Okay.
Another thing I can do is get a link from my website up to yours.
That's easy.
If it's not already done, I can check very quickly.
I would imagine Keith is working on that.
When did you get this website up?
About a week ago.
We're just under construction, but we just got it up.
All right.
Now, I believe there are two deals, if I recall correctly.
Yes, as a matter of fact, the link is already up right now.
So anybody who wants to get up there, just go up to my site, look down to Scheduled Guests.
You will see Joyce Riley, and you will see the link to the American Gulf War Veterans Association.
Click on it, and go do a little bit of reading.
Um, but I'm telling you, Joyce, visual proof, nothing like it.
You're absolutely right.
All right, now, um... Let's see, where do we go from here, Joyce?
Um... Well, first of all, I want to say to the Gulf War veterans, don't give up.
Every time I do this program with you, I get tear-stained letters.
And it breaks my heart, because I know there are men and women out there hearing this for the first time, and they're saying, my God, she's right about everything she's saying.
Don't give up.
All right, the phone number you gave, I recall you're saying that you had a tape or something you would send to vets, Gulf War vets.
That's right.
For free.
And then the public can also get the tape.
And the cost is what?
Twenty dollars plus shipping and handling.
Twenty bucks.
Yeah, that's for anyone else.
But for Gulf War veterans, you get it free.
You pay the price and you get the 100 page document package also that goes with it.
And we want to get this video out because that is the evidence.
And I will get you all these documents.
uh... plus the video off tomorrow and i think i think you're right it's time to come out and
and we've got the evidence let's go forward with it and i think it's a
perfect it's the only way i know of to really
Action.
Otherwise, they're going to ignore you.
They're going to keep you at the fringes.
And what we need is some good legislative muscle and somebody who is willing to pick up a cause because of their own political interests, whatever that might be.
And I guarantee you, if we can get photographs up, we will get action.
And what about you?
Have you testified yet in front of any Senate or congressional committees?
I was not allowed to.
I had asked to, as well as I had... There had been thousands of people that had contacted Representative Shea's committee.
I was not allowed to testify.
I received one letter from Arlen Specter.
I did not receive it.
A Gulf War veteran sent it to me, and it said, you asked about Joyce Riley testifying before our committee.
She has already testified in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania at our field hearing.
Well, that was an absolute lie.
I've never testified at any hearings other than the Presidential Advisory Commission, which I called the worst cover-up of America's history.
And I said that we had evidence that biologicals and chemicals were used.
Well, that never appeared in the final report.
But I have not been allowed to testify anywhere.
And most of the hearings are over with now that the Senate has conducted.
And of course, our inspectors show of the hearing.
And by the way, that was nothing but a farce in which our inspector did because Schwarzkopf and Powell were not sworn in.
And they had evidence of prior hearings that they knew Schwarzkopf was lying and they did not confront him.
Has General Schwarzkopf modified any of his statements?
No, he will not respond to anything.
In fact, on the article on Squalene, Schwarzkopf and Powell were contacted, would not give a comment.
They basically are staying totally out of this now.
And I will tell you from talking to Gulf War veterans around the country that The veterans now are going to his programs, you know, he speaks at $50,000 a pop or whatever, and they're taking signs and placards and he's now having to be forced to leave through the back door.
Gulf War veterans know what's going on.
They know he's lying.
They know that they have been abandoned by their leaders.
And that is why these guys are coming forward now, albeit many of them are too sick.
They can't.
We have too many of them that are just absolutely destitute and so ill that they cannot.
Well, with regard to the immunizations that were given, I would not care to believe that we intentionally made any of our own troops sick.
I certainly can believe that we used something that was experimental, or that we experimented on our troops.
I'm willing to believe that, but you don't believe, do you, Joyce, that they intentionally tried to make people sick?
I don't think they tried to make people sick.
I think what happened, R, was that they tried an experiment and it went awry.
And they're covering it up?
Yes.
Yes, I do.
Okay, then that is the way we will proceed, and if you will get me that videotape post-haste, I will do the work, get the photograph on my site, and call attention to it, and then give it to you, and let you put it on your site, too, and we'll go from there.
Excellent.
Thank you for all the Gulf War veterans.
Since the Gulf War, finally here, Joyce, how many veterans have died?
Well, the official figures from the Pentagon or from the Department of Veterans Affairs are 8,000.
But I will tell you that I have been told from physicians inside the Veterans Administration that it's way over 20,000.
And that we're not being told the truth.
They're not keeping a complete tally.
They're certainly not keeping a tally of Guard and Reservists that are dying.
But I've been told from the inside by several sources that it's over 20,000.
And we know that there are about 200,000 that are listed on the registries as being ill.
I'm never going to feel the same way about our government again.
Joyce, thank you for being here.
And trust me, we will move forward and pry them loose.
Thank you so much.
Take care.
That's Joyce Riley from Texas.
And trust me, we will do that.
We will get that photograph.
Consequences be damned and posted.
And if it is proof that our weapons were sent there, sold, and then used against our own troops, believe me, we will open an investigation.
We'll get one open.
Trust me on that.
All right, we're going to go into the next three hours with nothing but open lines.
Coming up next on Coast to Coast AM.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
This is a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
This is a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September I'm walking every mornin' in my good summer skin.
On the seven oceans, findin' love another day.
I'm running every time, and you won't see the stage this time.
I'm watching in slow motion as you turn around and say, Take my breath away.
Take my breath away.
I would very much like to hear from Stan Dale in Australia.
somewhere in time. Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
That's what it is and we're about to go into open lines with one exception. I would very
much like to hear from Stan Dale in Australia. So Stan, if you happen to be listening, you
know the international toll-free line. Give me a call and we'll get you on the air.
I'd like you to expand a little bit on the statement you sent me yesterday about the growing Pacific zone of hot.
I'm getting the doggonedest reports.
Tropical fish swimming about the Golden Gate Bridge.
People surfing without body suits because the ocean is so warm.
Uh, up near 70 degrees in Northern California.
That's just plain impossible.
Unbelievable.
And I guess I would like to, uh, there's one other thing I would like to say.
We have, in my little town of Pahrump, Nevada, I don't know whether you've been watching the weather maps or not, uh, but our local town officials here have declared a state of emergency.
Uh, we have very, very serious flooding here.
I mentioned to you the storms last night.
We have a temporary respite, but they are due to begin with the sun heating again tomorrow, and the ground can take no more.
As a matter of fact, it's really quite past that at the moment.
Sandbag crews are on the way.
All of the schools in Pahrump, my little town, are going to be closed tomorrow.
That gives you some sort of idea of how serious it is.
There are a great many roads that are simply closed.
You cannot navigate them.
And if you do, you are in danger.
And so any more rain, which by the way is forecast to continue through Sunday, and we're in very, very deep trouble.
So I wanted to get that word out because we don't really have a local radio station here to disseminate the news.
So here I am on a national show telling you about what's going on right here in town.
And some Canadian from Great Canadian Publishing, wherever that is, in Cherry Grove, Alberta, Canada, wrote me a lovely little note which said, so, the catastrophe lover, which he calls me, is finally getting a taste of his own medicine.
Making money off other people's misfortunes ain't so funny when you're on the receiving end, is it?
I hope this is only the beginning of a never-ending stream of catastrophes for you.
Then he calls me a name, which ends in hole.
Uh, nice guy, Mr. Great Canadian Publishing, uh, thank you very much for that fax, that was nice.
You think I'm a catastrophe lover, huh?
Because I am able to look at what is occurring and communicate with people who know, climatologists, people like Stan Dale, Because I had a sense that this was coming, you are pleased that we are experiencing an emergency here.
Classy.
really classy some of you may be familiar with the drudge report
It is widely circulated on the internet and widely respected.
And I'll read to you from it.
El Nino Panic.
UN.
Weather pattern may be the most damaging ever recorded.
The current El Nino weather pattern could be the most severe ever recorded, lead to more deaths and damage to
crops, than the worst in 1982 and 3, which was responsible for 2,000
dead, 13 billion in losses.
The Wire of Bloomberg was quick to move a statement by something called the United Nations World Meteorological
Association, or WMOA.
It declared, quote, the major El Nino in tropical Pacific could be the climactic event of the century.
Forecast models, ocean observations, and satellite data are beginning to show The sea surface temperature in the Eastern Tropical Pacific in July exceeded all known previous records.
Interesting times, huh folks?
Ask and ye shall receive, I guess.
I have Stan Dale from Perth, Australia on the line.
And I want to say, once again, my little town of Pahrump, Nevada, in the last 24 hours, Has received over three inches of rain here in the desert.
That is catastrophic.
Our local town officials have closed major arteries.
There is no school tomorrow in any of the local Pahrump schools.
And it is a very, very serious situation.
Ditto in Las Vegas.
Perhaps not quite as bad in Las Vegas, but I've seen scenes of cars floating down the street.
Whether or not this can be attributed to the El Nino effect, I have no idea.
But I have never in my life, in all my years of living out here, seen anything like we are experiencing right now.
Storm cell after storm cell just rolling in and dumping and dumping and dumping.
I've never seen so much rain.
And it's a very serious situation here.
They've got a sandbag cruise on their way in.
But aside from my local situation, The reports of the El Nino effects are now coming up faster than I can report them.
Fish being caught.
150-pound marlin caught off the southwest Washington coast area.
Caught, much less seen.
One has never been seen.
People surfing in San Francisco without wetsuits and doing so comfortably.
Temperatures in Alaska that are absolutely unheard of.
A wide areas.
Anyway, here's the guy who knows from Perth, Australia.
Here is Stan Dale.
Stan.
Hi, Art.
How are you going?
Well, you're listening.
A bit damp, are you?
A bit damp.
I'm being facetious.
I know it's bad.
It's bad.
Stan, you sent me a fax or email, was it yesterday?
Yep.
That I read on the air that I guess you didn't get to hear.
Would you essentially roll over the details of that for the audience, please?
Well, yes, yes.
The basis of it was the El Nino effect, which has broadened into kind of a Pacific effect.
It's moved up into the North Pacific.
Traditionally, when you have El Nino, it's increasing water temperatures along the equator, moving out west from South America, north part of South America at the equator.
Right.
As you recall, probably two or three months ago, we noticed on the naval maps, the sea surface temperature maps, that something very unusual was building up.
And we didn't realize at the time it was going to get quite as bad as it has, but we knew it was unusual.
It was already at something like 300% of what it was the year before for the same time.
Now, I haven't done the exact figures, but I know we're up close to 500% of what it was last year at the worst, and we thought that was bad, you know, back in May of last year.
Already, coffee and wheat prices on the futures exchange are starting to soar, which is an indicator that, down the line, everyone else is thinking we're going to have crop failures from flooding and hail and drought, and we're already feeling it here in Australia.
Our southern Australian crops are already Endangered.
Just got the news yesterday from the exchange.
Okay.
We have been having, right here in my little town, storm after storm, dumping not only rain, but hail as well.
It's horrendous.
Absolutely horrendous, Stan.
And it looks like there's no immediate relief in sight.
I mean, cars floating down the street, that kind of thing.
I would take it, that would be just the beginning.
I'm afraid so.
I'm not a prophet or anything, but I can see what has happened already with the heat patterns as they were.
I've been looking at a weather map, Stan, of the jet stream.
There's a dual jet stream, and the southern jet stream is just about flying right over my head at the moment.
Yeah, well, look, it's been doing something weird for two months now, then periodically this heat would build up.
It would break.
You know how it makes that little kind of U-shaped hook down normally and then comes back up over New York?
Yes.
Well, it has broken filaments off of that that almost form spiraling vortices themselves.
And these filaments broke off a couple months back, went down and hit Texas.
That's when we had all those tornadoes down there.
Just dropped out of the sky.
You know, you've written about it in the Quickening.
I've talked about it, written about it.
A lot of folks have.
And hopefully, in fact, I think we've seen evidence of it from the mail.
We've gotten a lot of people to listen and started stockpiling emergency food.
Well, and so they should.
I got a nasty little fax here that I read on the air a little while ago from somebody who accused me of being a disaster lover and said they hope that all kinds of horrible things are visited on my little community as a result of that.
I don't love disasters, but I also don't keep my mouth shut when I see something coming.
Basically, you and I are both vindicated in our position some time back by the things that are happening, but it's kind of a hollow victory, if you wish, because we knew that it was going to be bad and people were going to suffer.
I'm sure you've done the same as I have in trying to help people wake up and do what they can.
Don't worry about the government or anybody else, just what they can do at home to prepare themselves and their families for what's coming.
That's exactly right.
You're right, it's a hollow victory.
I did not want to be right about what I wrote.
And in fact, it's giving me the heebie-jeebie seeing it all come true, Stan, but I just knew that it was on the way.
And I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Well, you know, gosh, I'm sitting here looking at the earthquake maps as well, which are probably more detailed than most people look at on the web.
I do tell them how to get there on my page.
These are provided by the Independent Data Center, which is set up to monitor nuclear test ban treaty violations, and it runs automatically.
It is so many times more sensitive than the USGS stuff that's published.
When the USGS reports 10 earthquakes in a day, this reports 100 all over the planet and shows where they are.
A rock off your table somewhere in Far East Zambesia, and it'll show on this thing.
And so, you know, I can see depth of these quakes and the locations of them, and I'm seeing stuff on the western side of the Ring of Fire, which is like, on their graph, it's blue dots of earthquakes in the last five days.
And these blue dots are clustering around some very troublesome areas near Fiji, near New Guinea, the Philippines, Japan, all over Japan.
I had a climatologist on the program about a week ago, and I think it was repeated while I was on vacation.
it is deep there deep earthquake showing a deep crustal movement going on
and around them are a bunch of green ones around seventy two
uh... six hundred kilometers deep there they're more shallow
and a lot of red ones which are around the five kilometer mark
getting up close to the surface i had a uh... climatologist on the program
uh... about a week ago and i think it was repeated while i was on vacation
and he too uh...
discussed a possible relationship between earthquakes or geologic movement
and uh... possibly even heating uh... at the ocean bottom producing some of the temperature
rises that we're seeing uh...
Do you think that could be so?
Oh, certainly.
But as he probably pointed out, I think he did, one volcano is not going to heat up the kind of areas we're talking about.
These are massive.
They're the size of the United States.
And it's not going to do that.
But the heating can be widespread by electric currents in the crust of the Earth and in the water.
At the moment, we're forming hypotheses about direct currents, which do flow in the Earth at various depths, transporting the heat from other welling up events all through the Earth's crust and distributing it electrically, we think.
Just kind of hypothesis.
At the moment, There's a Japanese paper that was published two or three years back about the effect that warm water versus cold water and warm air versus cold air would have on plates that are ready to convert to an earthquake.
And he proved, rather elegantly, that the weight of cold air is more than that of hot air and the same thing for seawater.
And that the variation in weight at the right place over crustal boundaries could trigger earthquakes already about to happen, but do it prematurely and with sudden force.
Well, we all know that hot air rises, so that makes sense.
Well, I mean, he did the numbers.
I mean, we could tell you that might be possible.
We did the hard numbers, which showed that the weight, the momentum, the gravity is there.
And right now, Japan has got a number of these little big red blotches forming.
There's a cold zone, a very cold zone between Japan and the tip of the Aleutian.
This generates those kind of forces on the crustal activity, and it's in a very dangerous place at the moment, because the line between the heat increases, the increased heat, and the temperature decreases, is a line that follows right along an existing fault line from the North Island of Japan Up to the southern tip of Conchatka Island, which is a Russian property.
It always has earthquakes, you can count it.
But right now, I'm very concerned, because I'm seeing stresses there, that if they move further south, about 150 miles, could threaten Tokyo.
And we're seeing earthquakes, like deep ones, almost on the coastline of Japan, and then about south, about 150 miles, into a new zone that's forming off in the The Pacific Plate there.
Can you explain to the audience what is the significance or the worry of these very deep quakes versus the usual fairly shallow ones?
Well, the shallow ones, okay, they're kind of like the loose change happening up on the surface.
Granted, they are painful and they damage property and things, but the deep ones Show that there's a lot more force, a lot more power in play down there, and it's moving deeply.
When that moves a little bit, we shake a lot on the top of those five-mile zones, right?
Mm-hmm.
Now, you don't have to have magma eruptions or anything else to have two very, like, plates next to each other, like 600 kilometers down, where they are stuck, kind of like sticky elastic, and they're kind of sliding past each other.
And sometimes they don't slide smoothly.
And so the force builds up like an elastic band until it breaks.
And bang!
If you have this huge amount of force down there, and that happens, it will really rock the top.
And that kind of stuff, you know, is quite worrisome.
Because after that, you have a lot of surface earthquakes that follow for months, sometimes years.
We're watching a plate down south of Australia here, south of where we live, over on our side.
Which is a ridge, the Antarctic ridge that runs south of Australia.
And the last 12 hours we had a Richter 6 down there on that.
So I'm paying very close attention to that because we've had two earthquakes inland from us here on Richter 4 as it looks like in the last week.
So we're getting action over here in the Indian Ocean and I think it was Scallion, wasn't it, that said that there was a A four-quake scenario, when it started, there would be one in the Pacific, one in the Indian, South America move up?
Yes.
A lot of people mistake what Mr. Scullion said and didn't hear it properly, and they suggest that this whole scenario should have played out already.
Mr. Scullion never said any such thing.
He said, when this cycle completes, then you will expect real trouble to follow.
Uh, and not until the cycle repeats.
And he did not guarantee the cycle would repeat at any given time.
He just said, watch it.
When you see it, you'll know.
Yep.
Yep.
Now, um, what would you say to people, uh, with regard to the El Nino?
What seemed to be a moderately, uh, strong El Nino is now being touted as probably much bigger than the one in the early eighties that did so much damage.
How big is this thing beginning to really get?
Uh, okay.
Um, well, looking at the El Nino forecast at NASA, NOAA and things like that.
Um, the, um, uh, forecast show, I think around January, February that it
should start tapering off and easing up there.
They're using experimental forecast models, and it would appear that going back six months, when they used the same mathematical model, They forecast it would be starting to dissipate and wane by October this year, and of course it's still gaining.
So, you know, I grant you it's experimental, and they tell you it is experimental.
It does not... I don't have confidence in it at this point.
I think we're going to see this get a lot worse.
In fact, if you look over on the other side, over on the Atlantic side, there is a long finger of heat Building up on that ridge, well, it's north of Montserrat.
It's coming off of the East Coast, over around the D.C.
area somewhere, I think, heading over toward North Africa and Europe.
And Europe is on fire with heat at the moment.
I mean, up in the northern areas, they're just way above temperature.
And we have a ring forming over there, like the one we've got off our West Coast.
Really?
And, ah, look, it's just, it's enormous.
It is not going away.
So, look, practical things, certainly you can frighten the dickens out of everybody by saying this, but practical things are, we think food is going to go up, especially grain-based foods.
It's going to have to because of crop failures.
So we're advising people, whether they get hit by a disaster or not, to stockpile.
Have you got a break coming up?
I do, and I'm going to hold you over.
What I would like to do, Stan, Uh, is not only have you go through what you advise people to do, but maybe take some calls from the audience.
Would you be willing?
Sure.
All right, good.
Stay right there then, Stan.
Stan Dale in Perth, Australia, who was months and months ahead of this whole thing in his forecasts, and I think we'll take some calls from him.
I want everybody to bear in mind now that when you call, you've got to ask a question and then pause, because between here and the other side of the world, There is a time delay, and it makes conversation very difficult.
So you've got to kind of ask your question, and then pause.
And if we do that, we'll get through this just fine.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
My guest is Stan Dale.
And he'll be back in a moment.
If you have questions for Stan, we're going to try and let you ask them.
He is the man who, months and months and months ahead of time, predicted these weather changes that we're now beginning to experience big time, I'm sorry to say.
so if you have questions uh... it would be a good time once again stand as
Stan, I've got a lot of people who want to talk to you, but first I want to let you finish advising people based on what you're seeing.
What should they do?
Well, in the United States particularly, where people kind of have the ability to buy food and provisions, I would suggest that people stockpile and rotate foods that will keep for up to 60 days.
Uh, be able to produce or filter fresh water from anything around you that even brack water, uh, because after a major event like this, when public, uh, water and electricity and gas and power things go off, the highest price commodity on the black market is water, fresh water that's got, you know, some kind of wog in it.
Sure.
People can use an old technique to purify water, which they used in, oh, back 2000 years ago in the Middle East.
And that is to dilute your water.
And this will be fun, 40% red wine, like a claret wine will do, and you put 25-40% wine mixed with water, and that will kill all the normal water-borne bacteria.
And also cause you not to worry about what's going on as much.
Hey listen, it's also biblical.
Timothy was told to take a glass of that watered wine that he used for his stomach ulcers.
So there you go.
Seriously though, things like stuff to splint broken bones or limbs with, things to... you
know, the suture tape that you can put across cuts and gashes on the head or portions of
the body that need to be sutured, but you don't have that stuff.
I forget what they call them, steristrips that you pull across and close wounds.
Medical equipment like that.
You can buy stock up for infections that you might get during moving stuff and cut your hands and arms.
A course of antibiotics to keep on the shelf.
And then normal food.
We're going to try to get as much stuff up on the website as we can for those who have web access.
Holly is doing that now.
All kinds of foods and medical preparation stuff that we're going to get up there.
As I say, we're doing as quick as we can.
The Australian Emergency Management Authority down here has sent us a lot of stuff and requested that we put it on our website because even the American FEMA are asking the Australian Emergency Management how to do certain things because we're kind of world leaders in that down here.
So I'm telling you now, get prepared.
Get your house taken care of first.
Try to meet your neighbors and form community groups and action groups to help each other dig out if you have floods or mudslides or earthquakes or whatever.
It's going to happen, and food is going to be at a premium, so I do suggest that people invest in things like vacuum packers.
You can get them for two or three hundred dollars in America.
At home, you know, you can put beans and rice and flour and stuff in vacuum packing and keep four to five times longer than normal without weevils and stuff.
So, these, seriously, we've got to do this.
Don't you, you have one of your sponsors has one of those kind of radios that you wind up?
I think we bought one here.
Yes.
It's probably a good idea for folks to look at that because the storms knock out electricity.
And even though radio stations have their own, if you don't have something that plays, you can't hear where to go to get food or what's happening with the emergency services.
That's exactly right.
I've been trying to tell people this is not just any old sponsor.
It's a very, very, very, very important piece of anybody's emergency kit.
They should have food, they should have water, and they're going to need information.
And that radio will reliably deliver information without batteries.
What kind of products are you selling to them or advertising for water purification?
Well, it's funny you should mention that.
Nothing yet, but I've got a sponsor coming on who's going to be selling exactly that.
So, coming soon, folks.
We actually go out and seek out these kind of sponsors on purpose, Stan.
I have now another question for you.
You mentioned the fact that They use these computer models which are already proven wrong in the last case regarding this El Nino.
Is it possible, Stan, that whatever it is that's going on right now, which I don't think anybody fully understands, I don't think we understand why it's occurring and why it is so big, is it possible it simply will continue to grow with increasingly devastating results?
I suppose it is, Art.
You and I have talked about this with Malachi Martin and a few other people in this kind of world.
There are things happening that various persons or bodies have predicted people with disabilities will see in the future.
Certainly, the biblical things are the oldest ones we can rely on.
They seem to talk about a time coming in our history where it will get very hot, not by The world not being destroyed or judged by flood, but by heat next time.
And, you know, since 1991, we know that the sun has been emitting variable bursts of energy, greater than we thought it could.
In fact, two new frequencies were coming out of it in 91, and one doctor over at, I think it was at Kitt Peak, a solar observatory, wrote a paper and he sent it to me with photographs of the sun's surface, saying that they don't think it will be, at that time, they didn't think it would be any problem that these two new frequencies would not Uh, you know, add to the spread of cancer, whatever even they were, even though they were in the upper ultraviolet.
Sure.
But he thought that the fish, or the microbe life, might be absorbing it in the southern seas and thereby adding heat to the thermal engine of the planet.
Now, since then, more and more things have been happening on the sun.
That's why they put up the Soho observation satellite a million miles out looking at the sun.
Lockheed Missile Corporation has been making these things available on the web.
I'll put a link to that on my site in the next few days.
It allows you to pull down a 30-day animation, any day you choose, of what the sun's surface has been emitting and the solar flares that are occurring.
Two days ago we had one on there.
I told Ollie, I said, look, we're going to get magnetic storms and whatever over the next two days because of that huge flare that was facing us when it erupted on the sun.
It was a pretty big one.
But you can see it yourself.
So, you know, I encourage people to certainly listen to their weather forecasters, but go into the web, if they have web access, go to the site that we've got, and any others they can find for that matter, that tell about solar weather and solar radio communications forecasts, because whenever we're going to have radio communications problems now, it will be about the same time we're going to have these solar magnetic storms hit us.
All right, let's go to the phones and see what we get.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Australia.
Where are you, please?
Stan, this is Bruce in New Orleans, Louisiana.
Hello, Bruce.
Yeah, Bruce.
My question is in reference to the Gulf of Mexico.
Usually this time of the year our water temperatures are running around the mid to maybe upper 80s, and right now our water temperature in the Gulf is around 92 to 91 degrees.
Have you seen anything on your maps indicating unusually warm Gulf temperatures?
Oh, yes.
I'm sitting here looking at it right now, and if you get to the website, do you have access to the web?
No, I don't.
All right.
Well, I'll just tell you then.
The Gulf of Mexico is certainly hot, and hotter for this time of year.
The hottest it's been in, like, recorded 30 years of recording the sea surface temperatures, and we think hottest it's been in a century.
It's hugging the coast.
The heat is apparently coming from underneath the continental plate and moving out from the shore, and it appears to do the same thing over On the west coast of the United States, but the Gulf of Mexico is not as hot as the Pacific is along the coast of South America and North America.
Alright, thank you very much, caller.
Take care.
I think that was it.
So in other words, it is warmer on the Gulf, but not as bad as the Pacific.
Not at this time.
It may get there.
It's starting to warm up.
I'm curious about other parts of the world because I'm getting some very interesting reports right now.
Now, here's another one verifying what I said earlier.
Art, I was lying in bed listening to you speaking about the temperature of the coastal waters along the state of California, and I just had to fax you regarding a news clip I watched not more than 30 minutes ago.
Como News out of Seattle just reported on a man who caught a 150-pound, 8-foot-long blue Pacific marlin Off the Washington Coast near Westport.
They claimed it was due to El Nino, which is pushing warmer waters up from the south, and the temperature of the water was in fact, get this Stan, 70 degrees.
Amazing.
Amazing.
So it would appear to be we're getting reports of tropical fish swimming about near the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.
Amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
I think that we're going to see a lot more of this.
I mean, where was it?
I can't quote it to you, but somewhere in the Bible there was a forecast of hailstones weighing 50 pounds, I think, hitting the earth in the last days with the storms.
And, you know, these take tremendous heat engines to make storms that big.
And we've certainly got, for the first time in this century, we've got something here that would generate that kind of storm.
So maybe the fish are moving with the heat and the storms are going to produce these tremendous hailstones.
Gosh.
I don't know.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Daylen, Australia.
Hello.
Thank you.
First of all, Art, I don't believe you to be a disaster lover, and I am greatly appreciative of your information beforehand.
I don't know anybody that could be a disaster lover.
That's crazy.
That's sick.
My question is, With these problems going on, Mr. Dale, do you believe to be a significant danger to Northern and Central California and the Valley areas?
Yes.
I've kind of danced around this issue for a number of reasons, but if you were to ask me where would I move if I had to All right.
As you know, I guess you heard part of the show with the climatologist.
He seemed to think, Stan, that the El Nino was going to freight train its way in around Southern California, but he wasn't sure.
I think he's probably right.
You do?
Okay.
It is possible, though, is it not, that it could move north or south of that point by a little bit?
Oh, yes.
Look, I am drawing a little bit on what the Hopi elders told me when I was there earlier this year.
When Holly and I were visiting with them, they did explain that before long, when the purification of the earth starts, as they call it, which is great storms and disasters and warfare and things, when this time comes, that the The Hopi tribes, who sit on various mesas, raised, flat-topped mountains, that they will go between their tribes by boat.
Right now, it's blowing dust, if you know the area I'm talking about.
I do.
And he took me to the edge of his mesa, number two, and he stepped and he looked and he pointed down and he says, we will go between these areas by boat when it starts.
He said, this will come to us and we may have to move slightly from here, but then he said God would protect them and has told them of this time coming and will be there to help them and their white brothers that escape from the fighting between their brothers all around them.
In other words, they expect tremendous warfare among the white men outside the Hopi nation.
And I don't know whether that's a race for a revolution or whether it's an invasion by a foreign power.
There are several arguments to all three cases, but the Hopi said Regardless of what the cause, there will be a lot of white men dying.
Well, I can tell you this, Stan.
Either food or water shortages would cause lots of men, maybe not just white, to begin to fight with each other.
Well, sorry.
They just call it Baha'na, meaning generically non-Hopi.
Sure.
I understand.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Hello.
Hi.
This is Diana, and I'm calling from Victoria, British Columbia.
British Columbia, okay.
On Vancouver Island.
And this is very interesting.
By the way, Art, I want to apologize for that gentleman, so to speak, who faxed you that note.
It was ridiculous, but I guess there were jerks everywhere.
And, Stan, we had a dreadful snowstorm in Victoria this past January.
The worst in a hundred years.
I went out to feed the birds and I was chest high in snow.
And I'm wondering if you have any kind of knowledge about what we may expect.
We had a report tonight that there were tropical fish being caught off our island.
I believe that you will see more of that, Diane.
From looking at the map, the thermal map right here, this cold center of that great huge circular thermal storm I was talking about is pointed straight at you.
And it's probably about as far away from you as it is from you down to Oregon on the coast.
So we're going to see perhaps a lot of rain or Or do you think it might be in the form of a snow?
It's hard to say because it is horribly unpredictable because there may be factors from the jet stream that will suddenly dive down and reverse everything.
I think the long term prognosis from NOAA is that up where you are will certainly have increased wetness for a short period of time, a couple months.
Okay, Stan, I've got a question.
If these temperatures in the ocean, which are tremendously... How much warmer now is it in the Pacific than it ought to be?
moving across the united states for nearly twelve months like almost to
produce drought okay as then i've got a question if these
these temperatures uh... in the ocean which are tremendously what how much
warmer now is it in the pacific then it ought to be how many degrees
well if it is a big play Alright, what is the largest difference that you observe right now?
I think at the moment around 11 to 12 degrees Fahrenheit, but it goes off the scale in some places, so we have no idea how far over the scale it went.
When winter conditions come to America and the air gets a lot colder, and yet the ocean temperature right at the coast is very high, what is that going to do?
Well, the first thing that comes to mind is make it one horrific storm engine when you have hot and cold.
Hot and cold, yeah.
I think that probably the biggest damage will be from super cyclones and tornadoes and hailstorms and then flooding.
Well, your town is a case in point, isn't it?
Uh, I'm sorry to say it is.
We have a declared emergency, schools closing, all that kind of thing.
Roads washed out, were cut off at various times from Las Vegas, and almost cut off altogether.
It's pretty bad.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Australia.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
Okay, oh, Las Vegas.
Yeah.
Alright, you're going to have to yell into your phone a little.
You're not too loud.
Okay.
Um, well, Mr. Dale, uh, we've We've recently been getting clobbered with storms here in Vegas and Peru, too.
You can ask Art.
It doesn't look like any ends in sight, but when it is over, do you think that these storms are going to come back?
Because we're getting really flooded here.
Yeah, it's like one after another, after another, after another, with very little break.
Well, I would think that you will see a few more.
Sometime or another, it's going to start drying up, and then we're going to have a shortage of water.
It's going to be both extremes, but I think for a little while here, you're going to see a lot of wet.
A couple months, perhaps.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
Good morning.
Hey, good morning, Art.
How are you doing?
Okay.
Where are you?
I'm calling you from the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
Oh, the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
All the way out in the Caribbean.
Oh, yeah.
You're a WSTA affiliate out here.
You bet.
Hey listen, we got a hurricane coming out this way, or a tropical storm.
I was wondering what you could tell me about that.
Okay, that's an interesting question because thus far it's been a very mild, unaffected hurricane season.
However, if you look at the maps now, the tropical depressions becoming tropical storms, I think there is probably a total of about eight of them.
If you take into account that stretch between Africa And the Lesser Antilles and the Pacific area, we've got about eight tropical depressions threatening to become more, Stan.
Well, I'm not on the net tomorrow.
I'm going to look at my stuff I pulled down this morning.
And I can see from that that, as I said to you a while ago, the Atlantic is heating up something severely across there.
And it has a couple of circular cool spots, which I suspect are those tropical depressions.
Just north of South America, is that right?
In fact, almost directly underneath the tip of Greenland, would that be where you're looking?
He's in the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
No, Art, sorry, I was talking to you as well as to Taffy.
You were saying that there were eight tropical depressions?
Oh, yes.
One or two of them straight down underneath the tip of Greenland, over?
Um, I think that could be right.
Listen, would both of you hold on?
Sure.
Yeah, sure.
All right, good.
Stand by, because I want to ask a little more about the Caribbean.
Stan Dale is my guest, and we're talking about the changing weather conditions.
By the way, I've written a book about all of this and more, which I'm sorry to see coming true.
If you'd like to get a copy of it, it's called The Quickening, and it's now available in bookstores nationwide.
It's The Quickening by Art Bell.
Go ask for it.
We'll be right back.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 3rd, 1997.
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Tonight's program originally aired September 3rd, 1997.
Good morning.
My guest, unexpected, is Stan Dale from Perth, Australia.
We're talking about changing weather conditions, and they are changing, no doubt about it.
Tell you what, just talked to Keith Wolin, my webmaster, and he has plucked Stan's link from the normal guest page area, perhaps a little more difficult to find, to the front page of my website right now.
So, you can go to my website, Click on Stan's new front page link and you'll be over there looking at the charts that he's talking about right now.
And we'll kind of go through it again briefly for you again in a moment.
Stan Dale from Perth, Australia.
we'll be right back are you still there on the virgin islands
Yeah, I'm still there, Art.
Okay, good.
I'm on St.
Thomas.
St.
Thomas.
Yeah, I want to take the time right now to tell you, though, Art, we listen to you here all the time on St.
Thomas and in the Caribbean in general.
That's good to hear.
Yeah, a lot of times we can't get into you, but we are listening.
I understand.
It's kind of jammed up.
Stan, what do you see for the Caribbean?
Well, as I was starting to say, their earthquakes all around there are very minimal at this time, anyway.
But from time to time, we've seen signs of the fault line that runs Through that island chain, all through southern Florida area there, over toward the Gulf of Mexico, we've seen signs of quakes which are related to the volcanic action.
And I would think more than anything at this point, between weather and volcanic action, like ash and ejection stuff, that would probably be what they're looking forward to in that area in the immediate future.
But I think the one constant in all the weather predictions at the moment is uncertainty, reversals and uncertainty, because it's just I don't know that anybody worthy of salt would go on record saying that XYZ is going to happen.
It's just too unpredictable, but it's going to be violent in a lot of places.
All right, I guess that's the best we can do for you.
I certainly wish you well.
The hurricane season now seems just about upon us, and so I wish you well there in St.
Thomas.
Thank you very much, Art, and we've been through this a few times before, many times before, unfortunately.
The best part is prevention and being prepared.
Do you stockpile food and medicine where you are?
A lot of people have been doing it privately.
I think the government is moving.
When we had the last hurricane here, the government really came across and they had everything pretty much prepared before the hurricane hit.
I think right now they're having meetings to prepare everything beforehand should the event of a hurricane arise.
I know.
You know, that's the best we can hope for here.
Like I said, we've been through it before and, you know, we should pretty much know what to do here.
Preparedness being the order of the day.
There was a system, a tropical depression, by now it may be a tropical storm, headed toward the Lesser Antilles.
Yeah, it has been upgraded to a tropical storm.
I figured.
That figures.
Yeah, but unfortunately, well, fortunately for us, for the last weather reports we had, it's supposed to pass hundreds of miles to the north of here.
That would be nice.
Yeah, well, we're keeping our fingers crossed, as you know, Stan said, these things are never sure, and they're very unpredictable, so, you know, you can just cross your fingers and hope for the best.
Okay.
This is from Kurt, listening to WTMJ.
Art talked to a co-worker who just returned from a Scandinavian cruise.
According to her, Norway has been experiencing its warmest summer in recorded history, typically 80s, on a regular basis in Oslo, for heaven's sakes.
Mm-hmm.
Can you see?
Oh, well, actually, yeah.
I can see it on my map here.
All of northern Europe, and what would be the Nordic country, is superheated by average comparison.
And, excuse me, the heating is moving out over toward Iceland and Greenland in a long, wide band, and then it hits where that sea is, I forget the name of it, between the tip of Greenland and the United States.
It goes to there and drifts down the coast where the Gulf Current is and across back over to Africa.
It's a big circle forming, and Norway, Sweden, all that are just absolutely covered in this red heating like we saw around the California coast three, four months ago.
And by the way, I just went outside and for the first time in days and days and days, I can see stars out there.
So we may have a temporary clearing.
Now what happens when the sun comes up and we begin to get heating again?
I don't know.
But there are stars out there for the first time in days and days and days.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
Good morning.
What's going on?
What's going on?
Yeah.
Are you listening to the program, sir?
Right.
Then such a question is without merit.
Without merit.
Do you have a question for my guest?
Yes, I do.
I was wanting to know, I'm living in Nashville, right?
Right.
And I was wanting to know the big one they so call, you know, the San Andreas Fault in California.
Yes.
I just want to know if the big one, they so call, would that mess up the New Madrid fault?
I mean, would that in any way... I don't know.
Actually, it's kind of an interesting question, Stan.
Is there a sympathetic reaction if the big one should occur in California, as he suggested?
Or could there be a sympathetic reaction on other major fault lines elsewhere?
I most certainly would think so.
I would be more prone to say that the reaction would be around the Ring of Fire, which is directly connected by a fault line around the Pacific.
Just looking at the seismic hazard map here of the United States, I don't see a major connection between any of those fault lines in California over to the New Madrid.
However, if you look at the map, you'll see a little bit of, there's a very weak seismic
potential acceleration coming from Arizona, northern Arizona, and a tiny little band across
the top of Texas, across Oklahoma, and over into the New Madrid area.
But I would say, I would be thinking more that like Japan or the Aleutians or even over
in New Guinea, five or six days after the big one, would be affected rather than just
the New Madrid.
However, something that big could fool us all.
It could shake it, and if the New Madrid was ready to go, it might just be the trigger
that does it.
So I'd say it would be rather quickly if it did.
One other question, and this may sound weird, but I have sort of noticed over a long period
of time a relationship between the sun's activity and geologic activity.
There are also people who believe there is a relationship between a great deal of rain and geologic activity.
Any thoughts?
They relate rain to geologic activity?
A great deal of rain, yes.
I'm not one of those.
I look towards sun activity and relate that.
It may be somehow indirectly related to the sun as well with the rain.
I don't know, Art.
I suppose it could be that if you have rain and rain clouds, you would have cooling over an area.
And depending upon how sudden and violent that cooling was, according to the Japanese figures, you might change the weight of the air on one side of the fault to the other and trigger it that way.
But I wouldn't think that it would always occur that way.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Good morning.
Hello?
Hello.
Am I on?
You're on.
Ah, this is Michaela in Austin, Texas.
Yes.
And it's been an incredible show tonight.
Well, I'm glad you've enjoyed it.
Now, it appears that there's some rain coming our area.
And of course, we had a lot of hurricanes earlier in the season.
And I'm wondering, what does Texas look like?
Well, it's kind of got this rectangular portion at the top, and a little point over the left, and you... No, I'm just being...
I'm from Dallas originally, ma'am.
Are you really?
I can do that.
The earthquake portions of the map from USGS do show minor quake activity in the northern and eastern parts of Texas.
Actually, where Art is, is in a lot worse shape.
Oh, I bet.
In the mid-zones.
Hang in there, Art.
Well, I expect it.
Yeah, you do.
Having said that, though, you realize that the state of Texas has had a few earthquakes recently.
I don't have it right here in front of me.
I'm just trying to see if I've got it on this map.
The weather has definitely had me worried.
Lately.
You've had, yeah, you've had three earthquakes on the Mexico border in the last five days.
Wow.
And certainly the weather, I have seen some of the weather satellite photographs over Texas in the last month or so, and they have been rather extraordinary.
But I suspect from earlier this year when the jet stream dipped down that far that it could probably do it again.
And so I recall we've had some severe snows in the past and some ripper tornadoes, but maybe we'll get a few more of them there.
Do you have any idea what Texas looks like for the year?
Or do you have anything that far advanced?
Well, as I say, there's a number of things to look at when you're looking at disaster.
How bad is the disaster going to be?
Is it going to be so bad that we won't have state and federal emergency services to fall back on?
If it gets that bad, then it's every man for himself.
If it's state and federal emergency, we'll still be functioning.
Then, wherever you are, just prepare for, I'd say, a minimum of a week and a maximum of two months of loss of water, power, light, transport, fuel, you know, medicine, things like that.
Just the things you depend on every day in case of emergency.
I understand what people are doing, like this lady.
They will call up and they will ask about their own area, just as I would be inclined to do.
But I think what people need to understand is, what's going on now is so unprecedented With respect to the temperature changes, the ocean temperature changes, that we really have no firm record to go on, and we really can't call predictions, nor should we even really try for specific areas, because, to be honest, we don't know what the hell is going to happen.
That's right.
That's right.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
I'm calling from Fairbanks, Alaska.
Fairbanks!
Yes.
All right.
It's a lovely 54 degrees.
I was wondering, can you conceive of any set of circumstances that would reverse this El Nino?
Well, you mean suddenly reverse it?
Yeah, or over the short haul, either way.
Well, I think in time that it will probably be a cyclic thing and it'll back off.
You know, I suspect that we'll see the effect of this for a year and a half to two years at all.
It's kind of like an earthquake, ma'am.
You know, up there in Alaska, you should know when it begins shaking and you're sitting there shaking, you don't know how long it's going to go on or whether it's going to get worse and worse and worse or suddenly quit.
That's true.
And so what's going on now with the weather is kind of like that.
We don't have any precedent to go by.
There have been other... By the way, Art, we're now getting you starting at 9 o'clock in the evening.
Oh, you are?
Yes, we are.
Hot diggity.
Yeah, you bet.
I'm getting some sleep now.
All right.
Thank you very much.
And again, let me stress that this is kind of unprecedented.
And Stan, I guess you're seeing areas now of ocean warming.
Uh, that are not just off the Pacific, though it's a bad one, but, uh, that are all over the place.
And so I don't know how you begin to predict with that in mind.
No, I think the safest thing is, as you've said, is that we are in a season of disaster.
And when you're in the season, know that it's time to be prepared.
I mean, that sounds almost biblical, but that's, that's what it is.
And all I'm suggesting to anyone Is to, you know, make local home and local community preparations for disaster.
Put some nuts away for the winter, you know?
Do you think it is biblical?
Yeah, I do.
You know I do.
I know you do.
I just... I'm not trying to beat my drum with you, Art, if you want me to talk about that.
No, no, I just... I wanted to hear you say it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the Oostendale in Perth, Australia.
Hello.
Hello, my name's John.
I'm calling you from Kona, on the slopes of Mauna Loa.
Our active volcano over here.
Yes.
I'm calling because your show really intrigued me, because back in 1971, I met a man named John Hamaker, who first explained to me the totality of our Earth and the living qualities of this Earth and the cycles we're involved in.
And he explained to me that he saw that we were at the end of an interglacial period, and it was marked by a buildup of CO2, which was at first warming our atmosphere.
And would eventually lead to a new glacial period.
And he pointed to ice corings over the last four or five hundred thousand years that showed that just before the buildup of glaciers, there was a warming of our planet.
And he explained that this warming would create exactly the kind of weather situations we have.
The changes in the ice mass would put different pressures on the plates, would cause volcanic activity.
And to me, he's right on the money.
He was predicting it was going to happen about 85.
He died a few years ago.
But I don't think he was too far off, you know, as far as geological time.
And I was just wondering, are you guys aware of the works of John Hamaker?
I have heard of the work, and I do agree.
I think that what we're going through is a transient state.
However, I'm not sure, because John bases work on statistics as well, like most of us do.
I'm not sure that all the factors will remain as he thought they would in his analysis.
Like, will the Earth's axis straighten up suddenly?
Will we wobble and straighten up when that polar ice mass shifts that he was talking about?
Right.
Will it slide clear off, destroy the equilibrium in our 23.5 degree tilt, and straighten us up?
Yeah, that was one of the possibilities down the line.
But more what he saw was the warming of the planet just created these hot-cold situations where the cold...
Would come in sooner, you know, eventually the summers would shorten, and as the moisture was generated, it created cloud cover, which eventually created an albedo effect, which actually reflects, we ended up reflecting more heat away from our planet, and the CO2 was building up, and then we'd swing into a glacial period.
And he just felt like we were at the end of that period right now, that 15,000 years of good weather.
And he saw it as a long-term thing, basically based to demineralization of our land mass, where the minerals have depleted off our planet so much that they've washed away, literally, from the last glacial period when the rocks were crushed, that the CO2 just ended up building up.
And he pointed to all of the problems of mankind, to this demineralized condition, all our problems with people, overpopulation, sickness, disease.
Well, I of course agree with that, and I bet you do too, Stan.
As I said, I agree, but the thing is that he himself laid the groundwork for some variables, like the earthquakes.
If you have massive plate movement, as massive as the biblical prophecies indicate might happen, And in fact, for that matter, Michael Scallions and a few of the other people around, we are going to see the seabeds, which don't have this man problem, rise up and continents sink.
It says the high will be made low and the low will be made high.
It will be such a ripple effect when the great earthquakes occur that it will reverse this process.
And I think that's where his formula or his prediction will probably come unstuck.
And he did make allowance for that by saying you'll have these earthquakes.
You could have a polar straightening.
I think that he's absolutely right up to that point where he stopped saying, okay, subject to these variables.
Stan, just a matter of curiosity, what would happen if we straightened up, as you put it, if the tilt went away and we straightened up?
Well, depending upon how rapidly that occurred and how long the elastic band was holding it to the earth, we'd probably reorient to a new position without flying off.
In some parts of the Earth, the day would be longer and shorter that particular day that it made the adjustment, or that week, however long it takes.
Our growing season would probably be constant.
We wouldn't have seasons.
And again, depending upon how much of that, like this last caller was talking about, how much of the moisture got up in the air and formed a reflective blanket, we might have, being straight up, we might have a reflective blanket that Doesn't reflect quite as much.
Let some of the light through like we'd have a tropical, moist, misty conditions.
We wouldn't even have to have rain.
We'd just have dew forming on everything like it used to be in the old days.
Doesn't an awful lot of our present ecology depend on seasonal change?
Well, it's a major factor in it, yeah.
Things would change.
I suppose rivers stopped running, and we had to depend on lakes forming from condensates.
You know, it may be fairly humid.
There's just a lot of change.
All right.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Stan Dale.
Good morning.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Hi, Stan.
I'm Mike from St.
Pete, Florida.
Yes, sir.
People wonder, like, how, when all these horrible things are going to happen.
And I have, you know, in my spiritual life, I have a reason to believe they're not only But they're probable, you know, it's a matter of perspective.
From our perspective, it's pretty terrible.
But how you can have affection for the deity, knowing that these kind of things happen, you know?
And here's how I figured it.
I just wanted to read the thought with your listers, and I really admire your show art.
It's that subtle interaction, you know, between our soul and that really beautiful light that we call God, or Ishvar, or whatever we call it, you know?
And sometimes, you know, it's just little things.
But we see them, the synchronistic, compassionate sort of interaction, you know, the real subtle stuff that we notice.
And I think that that's a big clue on the type of perspective you should try to maintain when you know that these really bad things are going to happen.
All right.
That's an interesting comment, and we'll pick up on it when we come back from the break.
How could a God, a compassionate God, let this happen?
I don't know.
You might want to look around.
You might want to look in a mirror.
You might want to ask yourself, if you were that God, and look down here at our behavior right now, what you would do?
I don't know.
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Well, good morning.
I've got a very, very interesting piece of email to read you.
Actually, a couple in a moment.
Then it's back to Stan Dale from Perth, Australia.
We'll do another half hour.
Art, for your information about the New Madrid fault line, all but two insurance companies in the state of Tennessee have now stopped selling earthquake insurance.
That is to say, they will not sell it, so as not to overextend themselves in the event of an actual catastrophe.
And then the following comes from the Chief of Maritime Plans and Policy for USCG, whatever that is, Alaska District 17.
Our temperatures in the Bering Sea have been recorded 10 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than normal.
Temperatures in the Gulf of Alaska have been 45 degrees hotter than normal.
Warmer temperatures are now confusing the homing signals of returning salmon.
In some cases, they take a more northerly course than track down the coast until they reach their rivers.
In other cases, they're simply lost.
I don't know if they die or they return back to sea without laying eggs, but in Bristol Bay, the fish returns were less than 50% of projection.
Economic consequences to the local community are severe.
Local politicians are blaming Chinese driftnet fishers between Attu and Komodoski Islands for stealing the salmon, just as the Canadians are blaming the Alaskans for stealing their salmon.
Agriculture is devastating the economies of Alaskan wild fishing.
One of the immediate effects seems to be that the upwelling along the 100 fathom curve in the Bering Sea seems to have been substantially reduced.
The reduction in the upwelling in the Bering Sea reduces the flow of nutrients to the food chain.
We're seeing mass deaths of seabirds and marine mammals.
Just last week, Captain Vince O'Shea was interviewed by Harper's Magazine by a reporter using a special article on the collapse of the Bristol Bay fishery.
Other aspects of El Nino are interesting as well.
Storms are tracking more northward and the Bering Sea atmospheric low is no longer as stationary during the summer.
Temperatures in Fairbanks and points north have been warmer than most places in the Pacific Northwest.
The Trans-Alaska Pipeline Company, Alaska, is finding that many of their Arctic permafrost sub-foundations are beginning to melt this year.
There you go, Stan.
Wow.
Wow.
Well, you know, that last caller, I mean, it's an issue that's on a lot of folks' tongue, no matter whether they're this religion or that religion.
Yes.
How could, you know, a benevolent deity, God, Do this to us.
The only thing that comes to mind is a simple story.
It's one of the parables about the prodigal son.
The father had two sons and one of them says to his dad, give me my inheritance early.
I want to go off and have a great time and I don't want to follow the rules and stay here on the land and work it and do all the right things.
So off he goes and he blows the fortune and comes back broke, hungry, sick.
and the the dead uh... instead of chastising him to look i gave you the
freedom to do what you wanted and the the money to do it with and you don't
like the environment and you blew it
you have seen your of your ways to come back to me and come sit at my table and let me give you everything
again and let's start over again the right way
and i've kind of a look at god okay now the bible
alright uh... back to the lines First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Where are you, please?
My name is Brian.
I'm in San Jose, California.
Yes, Brian.
I'm very intrigued.
He talked about a tsunami off the coast of Oregon, and if I could, I'd like to quickly tell you about a dream a lady told me.
She's a Belizean lady.
She's since moved to Chile with her husband, and it's a dream about the San Francisco Bay Area.
It's just incredible.
I'd like to go through a couple of elements with it and see what Stan's ideas are on it.
Go ahead.
This is what happened.
She saw a big earthquake and then she saw a rushing wall of water.
She saw the cars stacked up by the rushing wall of water.
She saw freeways submerged.
The airport wasn't usable.
Related to that, she said she saw the desert filled in with water.
A lot of things like this I thought were very interesting.
Well, she is not the only one who has had dreams of that sort.
There are many.
So I don't know what comment we can make on that.
Do you, Stan?
Well, no.
As you say, there are a lot of people having dreams like that.
We had just a number of emails come in here in the last two or three weeks from people in the States having dreams about, oh, like, The Earth Movers, you know, with the big buckets on them, picking up heaps and heaps of dead bodies and piling them up on big piles on the East Coast, and same thing on the West Coast.
And another one about body bags laying out for as long as he could see under this black tarp in the desert area somewhere where they had all the dead bodies in plastic bags.
And, you know, these are mostly all good folk and pretty rational folk, and they're just saying, is anyone else having dreams like this?
And, of course, the answer is yes, a whole lot of them right now.
I have thought for a long time that there ought to be on the internet, with the power of the internet, some sort of dream registry, so we could actually see if people are dreaming simultaneously about these things.
Would Keith have room for that?
I'm not sure, and I'm not sure how you would coordinate it all.
I'm not Keith.
Keith knows how to do things like that.
I will ask him.
I've asked a lot of people if they would help do that before, because it takes a lot of space and time.
Right.
Yeah, well, I'll ask Keith.
He's listening.
He'll think about it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Hello.
Hello there.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
Yes, this is Randy up here in Olympia, and I'm curious if he has anything to say with Mount Rainier.
There's been some seismic activity around there and stuff.
I had a dream about the rainier coming to life, the top half of it exploding and stuff.
I just want to know if there's anything on his...
Well let me tell you this.
I'm...
I've heard rumors of the magma flow being closer to the surface there than it used to be by a long way.
I have a brother that's a doctor there in Tacoma and I had a dream last year about him Telling him to get out and going and getting his family and putting them in a car.
He was saying, oh, it won't happen.
It won't happen.
And I saw not only Mount Rainier, but seven, sorry, six other volcanoes south of there and one north of there all going off at the same time and blowing its stack.
And we just, in the dream, we just managed to get him through the pass to the other side, somewhere to safety in the dream.
So if that's worth anything to you, that's what happened to us.
All right.
We're pretty short on time, so first time caller line, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Thanks for taking my call.
I'm calling from Phoenix, and you know it's so dry here.
We're supposed to be in the middle of our so-called monsoon season.
We live a little north of Phoenix, and we got about three minutes of A slight downpour and that was it.
Then we got some trickling and by this time of year we're supposed to have rain every day.
The roads are supposed to be flooding and I understand this is a trend that's been going on for about five years now.
Well, we're getting it all for you up here.
Oh, I know.
It seems like you're getting our weather now.
Also, I wanted to make a quick comment on the so-called phenomenon of bleaching of coral reef.
I understand that they've been noting since 1983 the periodic and widespread incidences of this.
Coral can be, how I understand it, and I want to ask your guest if I'm right on this, is that coral can be killed outright by extremes in either, or slight extremes in, I mean, slight changes in either colder or warmer water or muddier or clean water.
And it only, I understand, it only takes a couple degrees.
Yeah, I think coral, that's right, coral exists in a very narrow, narrow margin temperature wise.
Does it not stand?
Yes, we have a great barrier reef made from that, and certainly coral has been watched by scientists recently, looking at ancient history and recent history, because coral react to light and dark changes, to temperature changes, and their growth pattern.
And yes, it is quite an interesting biological barometer or thermometer of what's happening.
All right, ma'am.
Thank you very much.
Right, thank you.
If we were to lose coral for one reason or another, what would the effects be?
Do you know?
Well, I'm sure it would affect the ecosystem in some way.
Certainly in the case of Northeast Australia off the Queensland coast, it would be rather sad to lose it and have it all die and fracture because that is kind of our safety reef for tidal wave and various other things hitting the coast.
Well, we've been asking a lot about us, Stan, because we're here.
What's going on down near you?
What are the ocean temperatures near Australia doing?
Well, actually, they haven't been doing too bad.
For, you know, the 30-year high, about the most unusual we've had is over in the southeast, which would be Melbourne and Sydney.
And it's only been kind of minor stuff there.
And the rest of the country, we are having drought, believe it or not.
But the ocean temperature does not reflect much, except maybe cooling, as opposed to heating.
However, having said that, I can see signs, I've been seeing it for about a week, that the Indian Ocean is heating up in a long arc that goes through North Africa, through the Mediterranean, over into the coast of America.
And that arc stops right down where we are on the west coast of Australia.
And if it continues to heat up like that, then I will certainly expect us to have tremendous worse bad weather than we're having now.
And we do have drought in two states, and we are expecting massive wheat crop failures because of that.
Wheat prices have jumped 10% in two weeks already.
Really?
Yep.
Yep.
Wildcardline, you're on here with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
Where are you?
I'm in Portland, Oregon.
All right.
I just want to know why everybody's so surprised by what's going on right now.
You're obviously not.
A better question would be, why are you not surprised?
This has been coming on for 20, 30 years.
I remember back in grade school, I did a study on pollution and the environment and the waters, and this is back in 1967 when they were bad then.
I'm just kind of surprised by everybody's I'm so amazed by what's going on right now, because this has been coming on for years, and it's just the pollution of the planet.
It's been going on for years.
Well, that has been going on for years, but I think the noted effect of the incredible heating of the ocean has not been going on for years.
You began to first notice this, when, Stan?
Back around May of this year.
Around May.
That would be about right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Stan.
Hi.
How are you folks doing this evening?
All right.
Well, you know, Art, I just talked to you on Saturday when you were in Anchorage.
This is Richard from Anchorage, Alaska.
Hi.
And I spoke to you on Saturday when you were at KNI.
Yes, sir.
I talked about David John Oates a bit, but I do have a question for Stan.
All right.
I hate to follow the same old course, but how's it going to be for Alaska, Stan?
Well, I just read you quite a bit, as a matter of fact, about Alaska and the salmon.
Yeah, and it's in the paper today about the tuna being caught here.
Oh, really?
Yeah, in the Daily News there was a story about tuna fish being caught somewhere in Alaskan waters.
Well, you may be answering your own question.
Stan?
Yeah, well Art, certainly they're getting a lot of signs, I think, even earlier than the rest of America.
From what I can see on the map, and that's all I can go on, I would say that Alaska is going to really I just came back, Stan, from visiting in Alaska.
He referenced that.
And I went and I saw the ice fields, College Fjord.
over toward canada on the canadian side they probably get some interesting
weather and but then again it could go anywhere with the the jet stream
that they would explain it
but there's so much heat around alaska that uh... it's surrounded
anybody's guess but it's not going to be stable i just came back stand from visiting in alaska he reference
that and i went and i saw the ice fields college fjord
i saw the glaciers what will this do uh...
Glaciers are very, very unusual things.
I've got some photographs up.
They're beautiful.
What will this warming do, if anything, to glaciers?
Well, they say that global warming will eventually melt the glaciers back.
Whether it completely removes them or causes them to fracture in pieces to settle lower and slide down valleys and stuff is anybody's guess again.
For instance, the glaciers on the South Pole, because of the weight of them, may be certainly generating their own lubricating bearings by crushing the rock and making a slush that's not frozen, so that should the earth warm up enough and one side melt enough, it may create an imbalance, you know, like a spinning top down there and just break and sling off pieces.
In Alaska, being as high up as it is near the North Pole, Well, I hear you there.
it may be subject to the same kind of forces on those glaciers should they be separated
from the terrain that they're kind of sitting on.
If it's typical, they have a mud and stone base, pebble base, under the glaciers, which
kind of act like a very slow moving ball bearing surface for them.
I certainly wouldn't like to live downhill from one of them.
Well, I hear you there.
Not many people do, though.
What I have seen is, and it had explained to me while I was in Alaska, that the great
majority of glaciers are in severe retreat right now.
There are a couple that are actually moving forward, but that's very rare.
Most of them are in retreat.
All right, west of the Rockies, uh, no, you're not.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
Hello.
Hi, Stan.
Hi.
How you doing, Eric?
Uh, fine.
Where are you?
I am in Ontario, Canada.
Alright.
I'm just driving back from Toronto, going to Kingston.
The question I was wondering was... Stan was making reference to the... Along the California coast, the water was heating up in a shrimp type of formation, kind of thing.
Yeah.
Coming in from the coast, up and around.
What I was wondering, would the water be heating up in relation to the San Andreas fault line with the intense friction that's being caused there?
I mean, the San Andreas fault line, the earthquake there should have happened years ago.
Would the intense heat and friction coming from the fault there be heating up the water or contributing to it?
Uh, it might contribute in a minuscule form, but in my opinion, I would say that the amount of heat and the area over which it is spread and the pattern of it would indicate that something else is generating this massive heat other than just the pressures on the fault line.
Alright, Wild Card Line, you're on air with Sandale in Perth, Australia.
Hello.
Hello there.
Hello.
Yes, hello.
This is Terry.
Terry, turn your radio off.
Yep.
And tell us where you are.
Kind of like Washington.
Okay.
But I'm originally from Cle Elum, Washington.
Yes, sir.
And they were telling me when I was up there during the Labor Day weekend that they had a tornado.
And that is not a tornado area, if you know anything about the Cle Elum area.
It's about 25 miles from where Mel's Hall is supposed to be.
Yes.
And they had a tornado come through a little place called Tiana, way outside of Cle Elum.
Well, there have been tornadoes already in many places where there ought not be tornadoes, and that's part of the whole thing that we've been talking about this morning.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Dale.
Hello.
Hello, Stan and Art.
How are you today?
Fine.
This is John in Wichita.
Yes, sir.
I'd like to ask about the area.
Stan, if you could tell me about the area around Cody, Wyoming, by Yellowstone, where all we're getting extra thermal area up there.
In Wyoming you're talking about?
Yes.
Wyoming certainly could see some weather there, as well as earthquakes.
I'm just looking at the map here.
Because of the mountain ranges there, I think the weather could boil up over that and swing down from Canada as well, and just be quite severe and unpredictable.
The earthquakes would be probably in the northwest corner, if I'm reading this map correctly.
Uh, again, probably central, south Wyoming.
You get weather, but you could, so to speak, weather that.
What about volcanic activity there?
Well, again, I guess, I would say if there were going to be any, it would be on the northwest corner of Wyoming, where it borders into Idaho.
Alright, Stan, we're almost out of time.
Finally, again, a piece of advice for everybody.
Simple preparation should be obvious.
We can't know for sure what's going to happen.
We just know that we've never really seen this level of heating before, and we don't know what it's going to produce.
But preparations, personally, that means you, all of you, would be in order.
And you don't have much to lose by being prepared, even if nothing happens.
Would that be a fair assessment?
That would be a fair assessment.
Fair assessment.
Just be prepared and help.
Don't depend on the government and the civil authorities to do it for you.
All right.
Well, thank you so very much, Stan, for joining us this morning and kind of catching us up.
And we will stay in touch.
We've got a link on the front of our website, so you're going to get a lot of hits taking a look at the photos that are up there.
And I presume you'll get more up in the next day or so.
I will do my best, sir.
All right.
Stan, thank you.
You're most welcome.
Good night, my friend.
Yes, good night, Stan.
That's Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
Generally there when you need him.
He predicted all of this long ago, as I did in my book.
Available nationwide, it is called The Quickening by Art Bell.
Pick it up if you get a chance.
Good night.
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