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Aug. 29, 1997 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Art Bell - Best of Open Lines (Mel's Hole, Area 51 Pilot, Bugs, Robert Salas and more)
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Tonight, for your Labor Day weekend entertainment, the absolute, and we do mean absolute, best
of Art Bell.
We raided our archives for some definitive Art Bell gems and came up with one heck of a show.
Even we can't believe it.
Coming up this hour, we start off with a doozy from February 21st of this year.
It's Mel's Hole, the fascinating story of the man from Washington State and the bottomless hole he found in his backyard.
Stay tuned for hour number two when we treat you to a replay of the Jimmy Joe call from the airspace over Area 51, an absolute classic.
Art Bell returns to Coast to Coast this Monday night, Tuesday morning.
And now, the absolute best of Art Bell.
Well, all right.
I have got Mel on the line.
No thanks to all the Mel imitators on the special Mel line.
I finally picked up the phone during the newscast and called Mel's number, and he was just coming in.
So, I've got Mel on the line.
Mel's the guy with the never-ending hole.
And we're going to ask him about it here in a moment.
I have read that fax now twice on the air, and I've got a lot of follow-up faxes.
Here's one entitled, Yet Another Mystery Hole in Eastern Washington.
Art, you'll love this.
It was sent to me a couple days ago by email, and it's all about another one on the Indian Reservation in Colville, where there is another mystery hole.
Anyway, we'll get to that.
Now, to eastern Washington.
I guess this is eastern Washington.
Mel, are you there?
Yes, I am.
First of all, Mel, thank you for answering.
What are you doing up at this time of the morning?
Well, after I sent the fax, I'm living in town here now because we had a couple of our buildings out there cave in after the big snows that we had out here last month.
Oh, yes.
They're good.
Thereby goes some of the construction debris into the hole.
All right.
When did you discover this hole?
Well, the hole has always been there.
We've been out there for a couple of years now.
The hole has been there since we've been there.
It's been there since the previous owner was there.
The previous owner there was quite elderly.
I'd say He was there for a good 30, 40 years before we moved in.
Wow.
And so there's been a thing of throwing stuff down this hole for a long, long time.
Oh yeah, it's been going on, you know, for as long as the hole has been there, I assume.
When nobody knows that, I guess.
Alright, how do you pronounce the name of your town, Manistash?
Oh, Manastash.
Manastash, that's right.
Thank you.
And actually, I'm in, right now I'm in a little town called Ellensburg.
No, I know Ellensburg.
You must know about our rodeo here, then.
Oh, sure.
We've been there for several years.
We take all of our trash, rubbish, anything we have that we have to get rid of.
We take it and throw it in the hole.
Everyone's throwing their stuff in the hole.
The people from around there throw all the stuff in the hole.
It's been going on for a long time.
You know, I got to thinking one day, how come this hole is not filling up?
It must be an awfully deep hole.
That's a good thing to consider, sure, as you throw stuff in it for decades, literally.
And so, you know, I used to be a, well, I would say pretty close to a professional shark fisherman.
So I had a couple of huge fishing reels, went out there and started Letting the line down, I figure after one... Did you weight the line?
Oh yeah.
In fact, the original line is still down there.
I've just been adding to the line and keeping track of how much line I have used.
So I've not reeled it in.
How much weight is on it?
There's a one pound weight at the bottom of it.
One pound weight, alright.
One pound weight.
It's a triangular one pound weight.
Okay.
And so that's at the bottom of it at first.
So in other words, it would go down kind of like a plumbob.
Exactly, exactly.
In fact, I have it rigged across the center of it there, and it goes, you know, goes straight down from the center there.
And occasionally I try to move the line there, but when you're moving that much line, you really can't do a whole lot with it.
But it seems to, you know, there seems to be, it's not resting against anything at this point here, and it continues to go down freely.
And so when I was out there earlier, I'd let out a little bit more line.
So you actually went out there tonight after I read this?
Exactly!
Oh, man!
Well, you know, it's not too bad out here right now.
It's only about 25 degrees, so it's not too cold.
Have you ever heard anything coming from any sounds or anything?
Well, you know, I mean, the normal thing to do is kind of like yell into it there, you know, to see an echo, and I've never heard an echo come out of that thing.
No echo?
At all.
That's one of the first things I noticed about it.
As usual, I brought the dogs with me.
They wouldn't go anywhere near the damn thing.
I went back to the Suburban and hung out over there.
If I try to bring them there on a leash, they'll just dig their feet in.
They do not want to go anywhere near the hole.
And so that's, I don't know.
Well you've got miles and miles of...
Yeah, I think...
Well, I'm going, I'm measuring it by feet, you know.
I convert feet to yards, so I don't know how many miles that is.
I assume that's a fair number of miles, though.
Well, 5,280 feet is a mile, so you really think you've got 80,000?
Yeah, I get line and 5,000 yard spools.
So you really think you've got 80,000?
Yes, I get line and 5,000 yard spools.
And so I've gone through that many.
Well, you have got a hole then that goes, you know, you can't say to the center of the earth,
but you've got a hole that goes miles and miles and miles into the earth.
I would think a university would be out there, boom, just like that.
Well, my wife does work for a local university here, and, you know, we've been talking to them about it, and one of the things is they find it quite incredible that I've let that much line into the ground, but that's what I've been doing.
Have you ever thought of winding it all back up again?
Well, when I let out the first 1,500 yards of line, I reeled all of that back in.
I wanted to know if I had hit water down there.
That's a lot of feet.
You bet.
That's a lot of feet.
You bet.
You know, that's 4,500 feet of line that I hit water.
So I did...
What I did is I sent down a roll of life savers.
Life savers?
Yeah, so when it hits the water, the life savers will dissolve.
Oh, I see.
Very smart.
It's an old shark fisherman's trick.
We used to send our bait out on a balloon attached to a roll of life savers and the bait would go out into the ocean on the tide and then eventually the life savers would melt and the bait would fall to the bottom.
You know, he couldn't have cast a big old mackerel out there that far.
That's amazing.
So, what do you... you got any guesses?
I don't.
I have no idea.
I thought it could have been a mine shaft, but the thing about it is the surface part of it's been very well cared for.
I mean, someone built a very lovely wall around it.
All right.
Tell me about the nature of the side of the walls.
In other words, you must be able to look down far enough at least to examine the side of the walls.
Sure.
It's stone for about 15 feet down.
And then after that, it's soil, dirt, and then further down, rock.
But I can only see Well, I'll tell you this much.
you know really powerful flashlight it brought halogen lights out there to try
to get a better look down there but the visibility really isn't
there you cannot see much after a while but it's a
you know it's a retaining wall I'd say it's about a three, three and a half foot retaining wall and it goes
down about 15 feet and then it's... Well I'll tell you this much, no matter
how powerful a light and I was even thinking about a laser, when you're talking
about 80,000 feet forget it
No, they should have some technology that can give me an idea of how deep this thing is.
I mean, obviously, the old fishing line method is only going to go so far.
What we need here is a volunteer.
Really, I'm serious.
Somebody who would be willing to be lowered into this hole.
Well, you know, to be honest, I don't even know if there's any air down that far.
Well, I wouldn't know about that either.
Or what kind of pressures we're dealing with.
These are things that are totally beyond my grasp in terms of knowledge about these things.
Do you own this property?
It's our property, yeah.
How long have you been working on this?
Well, we've been out there for a couple of years.
I'd say about four years now.
This project here with letting down a line, that's only been since last summer here.
And it was just, you know, I said, well, how come this thing isn't filling up?
Well, sure.
And, you know, I made, you know, I talked to the neighbors around there, you know, which
are, you know, on, you know, when you're out there in the country, your neighbors are pretty
far away, but they all know the hole out there.
They all know about it, so it's like... Well, yeah, because they all bring their trash out there.
So the local legend of the hole.
Yeah.
This could be an apocryphal story, but one guy claims that he threw his departed canine down into the hole.
Oh, really?
And he swears... Well, the story is the guy that did it swears the dog actually came back to him.
Really?
He was a hunter.
The story is that he was a hunter, and he was out there hunting, and he saw the same dog.
He had the same collar.
He had the same little metal thing on his collar there.
And he said it was the same dog.
And he says he knew he threw a dog into the hole.
That's not my dog.
That's not my dog.
It's not your story, but it's a story of a resurrected dog.
Yeah.
This is, as you can well imagine, this is all Native American land around here, and one of the lines of inquiries I'd like to make is, you know, is there anything about this hole in regards to the Native Americans?
You know, that's something I haven't really pursued right now.
If you had a fatal disease, Mel, would you jump in the hole?
I would.
You would?
It's in my will.
Why should I meet my demise?
That you would be thrown in the hole?
Disposed of, into the well.
I'm not sure the health department would allow that.
Well, um, you know, one of the things that we, you know, I thought about later on was, what if this is like contaminating our water, you know?
And, um, you know, we've had, you know, uh, I'm sure you do this out there in Pahrump, too.
You have your water checked all the time.
Well, yeah, no personal offense to you, Mel, but If there was a possible contamination problem, I'm sure you're a clean guy, but as you deteriorated, you would possibly produce E. coli or something horrible in the local water supply.
Well, again, so far it hasn't.
you know where is the writing book the water around that area of absolute
absolutely pure water it is uh... you know uh...
and so nothing thrown down all the old junk and passion nothing is polluted the
No.
I mean, I can't speak for everything that's been thrown down there, but none of that's been showing up in the water that people draw from their wells.
I mean, the water's as clean as it's ever been out there.
No, I'm not.
comes off the cascades or something.
It's really wonderful water.
You wouldn't be pulling my leg.
No, I'm not.
One of the reasons that I went out to the property tonight, other than it's something
that weighs heavily on my mind, I was afraid that after I sent the fax out that there would
be people around there.
There may be, but we have not identified specifically where it is.
Well, there aren't, as far as I can tell, too many big holes like that around, and so at least the people in my neck of the woods are familiar with it.
I kind of almost expect to see a small party of people.
Well, there may be.
Now, I mean, you know, come daylight, There may be.
But remember, folks, this is private property.
This is Mel's home.
It is posted to.
Oh, it is.
All right.
Well, there you are.
So without knowing exactly where it is, I wouldn't look for that to occur.
But there is going to be substantial curiosity about it now, Mel.
Well, you know, I think I've, you know, let you know as much as I know about it.
I certainly want to find out more.
I'm mostly curious.
I was mostly curious about the depth of it.
I mean, how deep is the deepest hole anyone has ever found?
Well, I've never heard of anything deeper than this.
You know, I thought maybe this would be like Guinness World Book of Records type hole here.
And as far as, you know, things I thought it would be like.
Could have been like an old mine.
Well, now here's a couple things to think about.
I've heard as you go down into the earth melt that it gets hotter.
Right?
So you would think that your fishing line with a weight on it at some point would melt or you know something but but there's still weight on it, huh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The line is not moving freely.
I mean, you know, it still falls under its own weight.
Oh, that's amazing.
Let's let some of the audience ask you questions.
Okay, I think I can do that.
Alright, because I just might be missing something.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel, who's got the hole in Washington.
Hello?
Hello?
Do you have any questions for Mel?
Hello?
Okay, well, I guess that guy gave up.
I used to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Mel.
Hello.
Hello.
Oh, you got a guest now?
Well, I mean, sort of.
Oh, well, I was calling about stuff, Mel.
Alright, well, thank you.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Mel.
Hello.
Mel?
Yes, Mel.
Oh, oh.
Mel, Mel, Mel.
I wanted to talk to Art.
I'm on the wrong line.
Yeah, you are.
I'm sorry, that's the 222 line?
Um, 1222 is first time caller line.
That's what I thought I was calling.
Well, that's what you got.
But I mean, we're talking with Mel right now.
I'm trying to... He's the guy with the hole in eastern Washington.
OK.
OK.
I just have something for Art.
All right.
Well, call me back when we're into open lines.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Mel.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
This is Dave in Milwaukee.
Hi, Dave.
Hang on.
I was listening to this.
Very interesting.
Yeah, it is.
I just wanted to let you know, I looked up an encyclopedia, and the Marianas Trench, which is the deepest hole we know about... That's in the ocean, right?
Right.
It's 36,000 feet deep.
So this is... Well, it's certainly over double that already.
Right.
And it also says, under mining, that with current technology, we can only go down about 1,600 feet.
1600 feet. Wow, wow. That's great. That is great.
Wow.
That is great.
So you've got something here that already qualifies for Guinness.
That is wonderful.
Oh gosh, I like that.
That's great.
You said 1,600 feet?
That's what they said, yeah.
1,640 feet it says with current technology.
Wow.
Alright, alright.
Thank you very much for that information.
So already we now learn that you may have a Guinness qualifying hole there, no question about it.
Gee.
But I want to know.
I, inquiring minds, want to know.
I would think, even if we just had somebody lowered past the 1600 foot mark, to see what's down there.
That would be cool, but it wouldn't be me.
You wouldn't do it?
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't go down and look.
At least not while you're still alive.
No, yeah.
Then I will, you know.
But I mean, you know, for the time being, no.
I understand.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
What if the road broke?
Yeah.
Well, that's true.
Where are you calling from, sir?
I'm in Austin, Texas.
Austin, Texas, all right.
Yeah, you mentioned earlier that you would like somebody to be lowered down into the hole.
That's right.
I would be willing to do that.
See, there you go, sir, a volunteer.
We've got a volunteer.
I mean, obviously under certain conditions.
Like what?
Just a cage, for one.
A cage?
Yeah, just in the event that There's some kind of weird subterranean thing eating all of this garbage down there.
Obviously, I would want to be in some kind of a cage.
Well, what makes you think, though, that anything that could gobble up, say, a refrigerator, wouldn't hit the cage?
Well, I would have, obviously, a very powerful light, and I'd be able to see it at some point before it's too late.
So, we'd have radio contact with you, and we could hear you scream, at least.
Yeah, yeah.
Or an infinite up button.
An up button?
An instant up button.
On, back up.
You know, like a high speed.
And you could take a camera with you?
Yeah.
With a light and show us everything?
Yeah, I've got a pretty adventurous nature to me anyway.
Plus, I have a very Appealing draw to the supernatural for some reason, anyway, just naturally in my personality.
Well, nobody's saying there's anything supernatural about this, but... Well, the dog story would indicate something supernatural.
Well, that's true.
Well, everyone's dogs are scared of the hole.
Yeah.
Not just my dogs.
No, that's a very good point.
In other words, other dogs won't go anywhere near the hole, huh?
Yeah, my dogs will follow me everywhere.
I mean, you know, no matter where I go, they're, you know... Except?
Except to the well.
Uh huh.
Is this possibly at a grid point on the planet?
Uh, I wouldn't know about grid points.
Well, I know, yes, thank you, sir, from Austin.
I've heard about grid points, but I would have no way of knowing where they are and whether this is one of them.
I wouldn't know.
Now, this is just a hole, and he's right.
There is something a little paranormal about it when you consider the dog story.
I tell you.
Mel, hold on, all right?
Stand by.
We'll be right back to you.
You're concerned about my happiness, but all that thought you're giving me is conscious, I guess.
If I were walking in your shoes, I wouldn't be wearing them.
Are you now friends with one about me and having lots of fun?
Couch and flowers on the wall.
That don't bother me at all.
This is CBC.
Playing solitaire with dogs.
With a deck of fifty-one.
Smoking cigarettes and watching cats and kangaroos.
I don't tell memes.
I've nothing to do.
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Alright Mel, here comes some more people.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Mel, with the hole.
Art, why don't you have somebody, I know you're connected with somebody that's got radar available.
Radar would be the way to go to find out the depth.
Well, would radar go down a hole without hitting the sides?
Absolutely.
You don't need a fancy radar to do it.
You mean like a...
What about sonar?
No, sonar you couldn't use because you don't have anything for the medium to go through like underwater for sonar.
But radar would definitely work.
I'm just curious if you'd call a government agency to come out.
But wouldn't radar return a hit from the sides of the hole and bounce around down there?
No, no, no.
Merely directional radar.
What do you use when you're driving down the highway?
Well, you use radar.
Exactly.
That's out in the open.
I don't know enough about radar to know if that would work, but it's a good idea.
Well, I've used it for years, but it's a good way to try it.
Alright.
How about a cop's radar?
I'm not sure if they'll return an echo off of that.
Possible.
Alright, alright.
It would tell you how fast the hole was going, wouldn't it?
Yeah, tell you how fast the cube fell.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Mel.
Hello.
This is pretty funny.
Good evening, Mel.
Hi.
My name is Barry.
I'm just hop, skipping and jumping away from you down here in Yakima.
All right.
I'm awful surprised I haven't heard of this before now.
Well now, Mel hasn't made this public as far as I know.
Have you, Mel?
No, it's just on my land.
My neighbors know about it.
Wait, wait.
This is the first public announcement of the whole As far as I know, there's no newspaper accounts of it, you know, not in the Daily Record or in the Herald.
Well, there will be now.
Well, as usual, you heard your first folks on the bill.
Before I get serious, I just wanted to kind of lighten things up here and ask if you'd consider making a contract with the Refuse Collection Department from Yakima County to try and make a ceiling on that.
You know, I read an article in the paper how they wanted to close down our local dump out here, and I almost seriously suggested... Here's another possibility for you.
Do you know that I live near an area where there's supposed to be a high-level nuclear dump?
Now, if this is really, in effect, a bottomless pit, Whoa.
You may have something that the U.S.
government wants.
So I could like rent this thing out?
You're damn right.
And move away as quick as possible.
Anyways, I wanted to mention here, we've got many, many mediums of technology and the gentleman who suggested radar I think was on to something.
You know, say for instance that Guinness came out and they're pretty thorough with their investigation before they're going to print you.
Maybe the way to go is to have someone lower in a censor's package, which is something that measures for noxious gases, temperature, And I'm sure they could focus a radar, you know, probably pencil thin, you know, and just hook it up to an endless supply of cable and lower it down.
That'd be awful interesting.
Look, I'd be interested, even if we don't get a hold of the guy from Austin, to lower a camera and a light down.
You know, when I was out there this evening, it's kind of a...
Sort of a full moon out there and one of the things that occurred to me is maybe this has some sort of astronomical type thing.
What do you mean though?
Well, you know, it's like how the various pyramids and things in Egypt are supposed to be lined up on various star systems or whatever.
Well, was it a thing like where the moonlight was shining into the hole?
Well, no, but I just happened to notice the full moon and all of a sudden put two and two together there.
You've never felt drawn to the hole personally, have you?
You mean in terms of some sort of spiritual involvement?
No, suicide.
I mean, I keep the lid on it there because it's an attractive nuisance.
You don't want local kids there climbing on the wall and falling.
There's actually no way of knowing whether people have gone in.
Because they'd be gone.
Not in my... Down with the refrigerator.
You know, again, if I can find out something from the local Native Americans on, you know, maybe with some sort of burial thing or, you know, I mean...
And you can drop a big rock, and you can hear it going down, probably bouncing off the walls or something, but you never hear a splash.
You never hear a splash.
I've even taken, like, old television tubes, you know, the picture tubes, and... You've dropped picture tubes down there?
Yeah.
I've dropped... I've dropped... I hate to say this here, but I've dropped more than one of them down there, and I've never heard it implode or anything.
Nothing.
EPA.
You probably shouldn't say that on the air.
Well, uh... They'll come and get you for that.
I mean, TV tubes.
Well, it is my... It's your own property, I know, but these days, Mel, doesn't make any difference.
I mean, tomorrow morning you're liable to wake up and there'll be tanks and butreous, butreous golly of you.
Yeah, that's true.
Alright, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
Hi, WKYT, Sarasota.
Sarasota, Florida.
Let me say, let's throw Mike from Las Vegas down the hall.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay, you know, he's the cat.
Okay.
I do have a question for Mel.
You're a fisherman, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Have you ever felt a tug on the line?
And if you did, what would you do?
I don't have a hook on it.
There's just a large, there's a one pound weight.
She's saying if something obviously was pulling on that line.
What would I do?
Yeah.
I'd run.
I'd seal that damn thing up and I'd never get near it again.
I'd put the lid down on it at that point there and say, that's it, the dump is closed.
At any point did you ever pull up the weight and look at it?
Yeah, I asked that too.
The first series of letting down line, I got about 4,500 feet down there.
I had a roll of life savers down on the bottom to determine if there was any water down there.
Of course, if there was water, the life savers would melt.
I didn't do that.
Since that time, I've let the line continuously go down.
I've just spliced onto the end of the line and continued.
Yeah, just trying to find out where the bottom is.
That was my main question.
It's like, how deep is this thing?
Where does it go?
Well, it goes into the earth, but how far does it go before it'll stop?
All right, thank you, ma'am.
I think...
That a light and a video camera... I mean, Mel, you could have a special.
As you got down past... What did they say was the deepest hole?
1,600 feet?
1,600 feet.
As you got down past 1,600 feet, you'd have a network special on your hands, Mel.
That would be good.
I'm thinking about putting up a webpage on it there.
What's his name?
Rivera would come.
and they'd lower him into the hole.
Only if we were all lucky. West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel. Hello.
Yeah, this is Terry from Bremerton. Hello Terry. Oh, you're up in Washington again.
Yeah. Right.
Well, I was wondering about uh...
how much does fifteen uh... miles of fishing line weigh?
I have no idea.
I'm just letting that sucker go down.
What if you've already hit the bottom and you've got a pound of fishing line on it?
I should weigh one of those spools because I'm getting them in 5,000 yard spools.
I should weigh one of those spools because I'm getting them in 5,000-yard spools.
I should weigh a spool and deduct the cost of the spool itself and see what the...
There's no slack in the line.
in terms of how much uh...
how much that weighs so so in other words it could be
it could have hit bottom sometime ago and simply that the pure weight of the
line right it it it it doesn't feel like it it is
is reach bottom there there's no slack in the line but even so well there might
not be without much weight but you know even if that's true caller
think about it he still got the deepest hole ever heard of in the world
Yeah, he does.
But, the weight of the line would keep pulling the line down.
Yeah, but there would be so much line down there by then.
What pound test line is it?
I'm using 20 pound.
I couldn't afford to go much higher.
Do you think you have 20 pounds of line on it already?
Pardon me?
Do you think you have 20 pounds of line I'm sure there's more line than that.
We're talking 20 spools of line on there.
And it's still hanging on there.
That weight continues to go down.
There must be a lot of tension on that.
I've got 20 spools of line.
A lot of tension on that.
Yeah.
20 spools of line on there.
Wow.
And it's still hanging on there.
That weight continues to go down.
I don't know if there's a way of weighing that thing as it is.
Yeah, I was just interested in how much the line would weigh itself.
You know, I could probably do that.
You know, get one of those hanging scales.
Sure.
And the spring operating stuff and just sort of knot it off up there.
Yeah, why not?
It's worth a try.
And the other thing that's worth a try, I suppose, although you'd be cranking for a long time, would be to crank it back up again.
Well, no, I could just weigh like one spool of line and multiply it.
I think I'm up to about like 18 spools of line right now.
So, you know, it wouldn't be too hard to get a weight on it.
All right.
You'll report back to us on that?
Yeah, I can.
Sure.
Definitely.
All right.
All right.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Mel.
Hello.
Yes.
Hi.
Where are you?
I'm in Washington.
Yes.
Oh, Washington again.
Yes.
Yes.
I was wondering, what was the... Mel said that he had a triangular one-pound weight on the end of the line.
You're right.
Yeah.
What elements was that weight, or is that weight composed of?
It's a standard lead fishing weight.
You know, you were talking earlier, Al was talking earlier about the heat when you get deep into the... Well, I was speculating.
You know, I saw the movie with Peppoon about the journey to the center of the earth.
It's supposed to get hot when you go down, right?
Yeah, and also, what about the magnetism?
You know, that's a factor.
Consider both of them.
The magnetism?
Yes.
You're off into a territory that I can't answer.
Mel, are you gonna, you're gonna contact, your wife works for a university, a local university.
Have they, I mean, did she tell them about this, and if so, what did they say?
Well, the people she talked to, because I nag her about it occasionally, say, you know, they're telling her, you don't have a whole day that deep, you know.
So, in other words, they don't believe her?
No, no.
No.
What I'm trying to do is kind of entice them out there and just bring something out there to measure how deep it is.
Well, Mel, would you be willing to talk to, like, newspaper people or television people?
They're crazy.
You see, they'd send someone down there.
I know I'm talking to a lot of people on the phone right now and on the radio, but I'm
not sure if I'd want to have a dialogue.
A TV crew and a, you know... So you're not sure you want that kind of publicity?
No, you know, I mean, I'd be happy to, like I say, I could put together a website on it and keep people informed about what's going on, because I'm sort of making this my... People would accuse you of going to the well one time too many.
That's probably true.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
Hello.
Hello there.
That is absolutely amazing.
All right.
This is Tim from Scottsdale.
Yes, sir.
And one thing I wanted to mention about that, you mentioned about a car that had fallen, apparently fallen from the sky.
The Chevrolet, yeah.
Right.
I recall reading about many, many incidents in England and throughout Europe of nuts It's raining nuts of different kinds.
I mean, Brazil nuts and hazelnut.
Sometimes it rains nuts on my program.
Listen, we're not talking about things falling from the sky right now.
We're talking about a hole.
Right, I know.
Well, it was open lines a minute ago.
Now you've switched it.
Well, I've switched it because I have melt.
Oh, well, anyway, as far as the hole goes, isn't it possible there could be like an aquifer or something?
Well, Mel has not found any water.
Any water at all.
He lowered Lifesavers in, and the Lifesavers came back, and that was how far, Mel?
4,500 feet.
4,500 feet, and the Lifesavers came back intact, right?
Oh yeah, they were absolutely dry, they weren't dissolved, they were just perfect.
That's pretty definitive.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Mel.
Hi.
Mel?
Hi.
Hi, this is Conrad in Grass Valley and I've got some thoughts about this whole well problem.
Sure.
First of all, if he's putting a line down the well... Wait a minute, sir.
We've got to stop this because people are going to call it a well.
There has never been any water found in this hole.
Okay, a hole.
Yeah, thank you.
Alright.
If he started out with a one pound weight and he starts adding fish line to it... Right.
Then the amount of weight down the hole increases.
Alright, now, if he knows the weight of the line on a per foot basis, as he puts more weight down the hole, if he could measure the total strain on the top of the, or load on the top of the line, he would know if any of that line was draped on anything.
See, the thing is, once he gets a fair amount of line down there, The one pound weight on the end is insignificant.
And it could be hung up on something or laying on the bottom or something and he would never know it.
Yeah, but he put lifesavers down 4,500 feet.
So even if what you're saying is true, this is still, by a long shot, the deepest hole ever.
Ever.
Well, that assumes it's even that deep.
The one thought that you had that I thought was very valid was the temperature as you go farther down into the ground.
Well, I think that's right, isn't it?
Oh, yes, of course.
By the time it's down 4,000 feet in the ground, the temperature would probably be well over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
If the 100, well, the monofilament and the lead would certainly survive 100 degrees just fine.
You're probably right.
That is interesting.
Mel, I say that we gotta put a person down there.
A volunteer.
Not a cat.
No, not a cat.
No cats.
But a person, maybe like a media person.
One of these anchors from maybe one of the Seattle Como stations or something.
You know, lower them down.
Oh boy.
Again, I'm intrigued.
I've been running line down there for quite a while and I don't think I've hit bottom.
The weight seems to be hanging plumb over there.
Like I say, we've been throwing things down there for a long, long, long, long time.
You know, this hole has not filled up.
I don't know, maybe it's getting incinerated down there.
I don't know.
Alright, and you would swear on all that is sacred to you that what you have told us is the absolute, unadulterated truth?
That this is my hole and this is the truth about it.
God, it's an amazing story, Mel.
Who else besides your wife, the people you've tried to talk to at the university and yourself, I guess your neighbors know about the hole?
Oh, yeah.
There's probably a good... Oh, well, you know, in terms, you know, not families, but individuals, probably a good 20 people that use the hole regularly.
To throw junk into?
Yeah, yeah.
It's always been done.
Well, I remember when I was a kid, I used to like to throw stuff off bridges and stuff like that and into holes just to hear it hit bottom.
Ain't never heard anything hit.
I mean, if you hit the side, of course, but if you just drop it straight down... Straight down, yeah.
9 1⁄2 feet to go straight.
9 1⁄2 feet is certainly large enough so that if you got in the center and dropped it straight down, it would go straight down, right?
Yeah, you can just, you know, lean right over there and get it going straight down.
You know, and as far as anything I can see, you know, visually, you know, with halogens and flashlights.
The light just what?
Fades away into blackness?
Yes.
You've got nothing after a while.
I mean, you can see as far as the beam will go and that's it.
Does anybody have any theories about, you said a dog was thrown into the hole, dead, and then came back alive again, right?
The story is the guy was out hunting, and he saw his dog, and he knew it was his dog, because it was the same dog, it had the same collar, it had the same tag on it, and the whole thing.
Oh man, does anybody have any theories about what properties would be in the hole to resurrect a canine?
Gosh, I...
I'd like to think that this is something, like, really benign, like, uh... I mean, cows have gone down there.
I mean, I haven't heard any cows coming back, at least that you would know, but I don't, uh... Boy, uh... Well, it's not the Creator... Well, look, we're out of time.
Mel, you get the honors from near the hole in Washington State.
From the hole, it is good night to everyone from coast to coast.
This is the CBC Radio Network.
Stay tuned for a startling update fax from Mel, followed by the classic call from Jimmy Joe, flying in the airspace over Area 51.
That's coming up next hour right after the news on this, the absolute best of Art Bell.
Music Here we go.
I received this literally a couple of minutes ahead of airtime, and it has to do with Mel's hole.
First of all, I want to thank you, your listeners and your callers.
I particularly want to thank the skeptics, because they are the ones that really helped me.
I have decided to take the money and run.
I have made a lease arrangement with regard to my land.
The lease is to provide me with a sum of money to be deposited into an account in Australia.
The money in Australia would allow me to immigrate to Australia because I would normally be unable to do so because of my age.
Australia, unlike the U.S., has very strict rules regarding immigration.
Huh.
So I guess if you're older, you've got to have money.
Interesting.
Anyway, he goes on.
The balance of the mortgage on the land will be paid off by the leasing party.
I will be paid a sum of money each month for the next 100 years.
Should I pre-decease, or die, the term of the lease, the money is then to go to my estate.
If it is feasible, based on the leasing party's use of the land, I am to have my remains, upon my demise, return to the U.S.
and be disposed of in the whole.
This last item is based on the future use of the whole.
This is incredible.
He goes on, if any commercial use of the land is made by the leasing party, their agents, or any other entity, I am to receive 5% of the gross revenues generated by the land.
This would be in addition to the monthly lease amount.
The lease can be renewed at the end of the term by request of the leasing party.
I will be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment based on actions of the leasing party, etc.
I'll be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment.
It goes on to say, this is a little hard to read.
There will be no charges of drug manufacturing against me.
I will not be charged with the importation and propagation of non-native plants.
Any materials regarding my research will be returned to me.
Any personal items remaining on the property will be returned to me so long as they do not compromise the security of the property.
In return, I am not to release any photographs, written or oral descriptions as to location or any information that would compromise the security of the property.
I do not wish to talk to the press.
In my opinion, there is no press other than Art Bell.
If you want to be on the cutting edge, he says Art Bell is a guy sharpening the knife.
Though things were pretty scary at times, everything worked out well.
I'm certain that if I never contacted you to begin with, I would not have been as fortunate as I am today.
It is amazing what can happen over the span of a few days since Friday.
I'm just trying to make it to the end of the month.
Now money will not be a problem for me, ever.
Thank you all, and let Mel's Hole enter into that murky territory of urban mythology or conspiracy theory.
This is the end of the trail.
Mel.
P.S.
Yes, they will tell me about the true nature of the hole.
No, you will not hear it from me.
So, this appears to be the swan song of Mel.
Maybe.
That came about two minutes prior to air time.
I received a very cryptic, strange message from my affiliate, I think it's KXLE, up in Washington earlier today.
It's on my answering service.
I'm still not sure what that was all about, but it had to do with Mel's hole.
Then somebody sent me the following.
James Johnson told a very strange story to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer back in June of 74.
The Johnson family had just purchased a new home in Tacoma, when their St.
Bernard began sniffing around what seemed to be a small hole in the backyard.
Thinking he had moles, Johnson ran a 50 foot long sewer snake down the hole, but he never hit the bottom.
Perplexed, he called a city manager who pronounced the opening to be 31 feet deep.
By this time, the hole had widened and he could see the first few feet were lined with bricks.
The engineer suggested the family fill it with gravel.
To avoid the $500 cost of filling the hole with gravel, Johnson bought, get this, 164 tires from the local St.
Vincent de Paul thrift store and tossed them into the hole.
He added an old rug, some boxes, several dog bones to the mix, and covered it with a wooden plank given to him by the city.
A year passed without further incident.
But get this, folks.
When Johnson decided to install a sun deck, which would have to be built over the hole, he lifted the plank, and much to his surprise, he found the hole had sucked up all the tires.
Johnson decided to research his house's history, and he learned that in the 1920s, the owners had also had a problem with the hole.
They had thrown a large quantity of marble and assorted junk down into it.
Apparently this show of disrespect angered the whole.
For an explosion literally blew everything out.
Marble and everything else.
The lady living in the house was too frightened to remain and soon moved out.
Another former resident stopped by the house and told Johnson his father had lowered him by rope down the hole in 1922.
While in the hole, something pulled a bucket out of his hands.
The tale of the Tacoma Mystery Hole quickly spread.
Johnson was inundated with offers from people to explore it.
Finally, he gave permission to one.
They found some strange egg-shaped objects.
On and on it goes with various theories, then, about the mystery hole in Tacoma.
So, um, Mel's Hole is not the first mystery hole of this sort, apparently.
So there it is, the, um, the story of Mel's Hole.
Somebody has sent me... Oh, by the way, uh, uh, Daryl in Rancho Mirage says, uh, Good for Mel and Art Bell.
For Art, he had the courage to talk.
For Mel, he was smart enough to listen.
But wouldn't you love to hear the whole story?
Art, you didn't make his day.
You made his life.
Therefore, you now don't have to feel guilty.
That's true.
I was feeling a little guilty because Mel was in so much apparent trouble.
But it does look as though it has worked out well for Mel.
Now, there are those who are saying he has sold out this taking the money and running business I don't know that I feel that way and I know it's easy to sit there as an armchair general and say what a sellout to take the money and to run but the alternative might have been to lose his land end up in jail or worse and so I can't you know I'm not going to make the judgment that he has done the wrong thing because to be frank
I can't tell you in that situation what I would have done.
Uh, again, let me tell you, Art, answer the wildcard line.
My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas, ready to fly into Area 51.
He's been trying to call you by cell phone.
And, uh, here he is.
Uh, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there, is this Art Bell?
Yes sir, it is.
Yeah, my name, I won't give you my last name.
Okay, wait a minute sir, hold on.
The fax is signed by somebody named who?
Jill.
Jill, that is correct, so you are the one.
That's my girlfriend.
Ah, yes sir, where are you?
Well, I'm up here from Fort Worth in my little airplane.
It's a Long Sea.
I built myself.
It's a Burt Bruton design.
But the Ford Canard, I'm not sure if you know the kind.
It's an experimental aircraft.
No, I'm not.
No, tell me about it.
What kind of airplane is it?
Well, it's a Long Easy.
It's got a 120 horsepower Lycoming in it, but we had it board stroked and fixed it up a little bit.
It usually flies around 140, 160 indicated airspeed.
I'm right now at 7,000 feet.
You know where this place called Indian Springs is?
Indian Springs, yes.
Yeah.
Well, I've been flying now for about 45, 49 minutes here.
Between Beatty, is that what you call it?
And Engine Spring.
And I figure I'd just go on up here, and try to get into this Area 51.
I'm right south of this Nevada test site.
Or Dallas Air Force Base.
And I'm right outside this restricted zone.
Listen to me.
When you fly into that zone, Yeah.
They are going to either force you down or shoot you down.
Don't you know that?
Well, you know, I've been in a lot of Air Force bases, and I've been in the Air Force for many years.
I'm an ex-Air Force, but I'm just going to tell you that, you know, as American citizens, we have the right to know what's up there in this Area 51.
And I've been listening to people always talk about this.
Hold on here, I'm making a turn.
Just a sec here.
And I'm going to go on up there and see what's going on.
And I just wanted to let you I don't know about that before I do that, don't you know?
How long, um, how long do you estimate it's going to be before you, um... I figure about 14, 12, 14 minutes.
Let me crank this baby up a little bit here.
Let's do that.
Let's crank this thing on up.
We got some pretty good mountains here off to my, uh, west, don't you know?
I'm turning up north right now, and I can see, uh, I can see the Air Force Base out there in the distance.
It's, uh, got three runways.
It looks like they're all lit up.
And, uh, A-shaped.
Looks like north-south.
Got a lot of desert up here, don't you, boy?
A lot of desert, yes.
A lot of desert.
Uh, you're liable to get yourself killed.
I'm sorry, sir, you have to speak a little louder.
I cranked this engine all the way up here.
I have a lot of air pressure.
I said... I said you're liable to get yourself killed.
Well, we'll get up there in a few minutes, yeah, and we're just gonna see what's gonna happen, because this is a...
I've got red crosses hanging on this baby and I've got hospital on it, see?
And maybe they're going to think that I'm on some kind of a mercy flight and I'm just off course.
And I've got the radios cut off because you can have radio failure, don't you know?
And so I'm going to hold this thing steady here about around 65, 68, 100 feet.
Why are you doing this?
Why are you doing this?
I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
American, my family has been American for years and I want to get down in here and I want to find out what's happening.
Alright, then why, why are you doing it at night?
Because that's the best way to get in here.
But even if you manage, even if you manage to overfly the area, what do you... I'm in the restricted zone.
I just entered the restricted zone.
I see a bunch of bikes out there.
Looks like some kind of a search fight is going on.
You're in the restricted zone now?
You're going to get shot down.
Hold on here now.
I got my pressure suit on.
I don't really need one of this kind of aircraft.
It's not like a jet, but it helps when I make the tight turns here.
And I'm going to cut down here.
Now, let's see what these boys are going to do.
I don't see anybody coming up here yet.
I just see a bunch of lights.
But, uh, I'm pretty far from that Area 54 and I think about another eight, nine minutes here.
And, uh, It's hard to calculate it right now, trying to talk to you.
I'm trailing an antenna out here about 30 feet, so I can keep this phone conversation.
If we get cut off, then, uh... But I'm gonna go up here and see what's going on.
They say there's a bunch of UFOs, and there's all kind of things out here, and we're gonna... I'm gonna get this safety rat down here about a thousand feet, and we're gonna see if there's any UFOs or anything out here, what's going on.
Listen, I think you're making a mistake.
Well, sir, I might be, you know, but, uh, you know, our tax dollars pay for all this.
And these boys, they've been hiding everything under all this black project and all this, uh, race funding and all this kind of thing.
Don't you think, don't you... Sir, hold it, hold it, hold it.
Don't you think that we have a right to national security secrets?
Uh, I think we have... Not really.
Because you know they have these, uh, K-11 and K-15 satellites up there.
And the Russians, they know what we're doing.
And the Chinese, they've got satellites down here.
They know what's going on.
The only thing they don't know what's going on is the common folks like me and you.
And us common folks got a right to know because we're funding all this.
How long have you been planning this?
I got this thing down here about a thousand feet.
I've been planning this thing now.
I'm right on the deck.
Right on the deck.
I'm at a thousand feet.
Boy, they got my boat popping up everywhere.
I'm telling you, they got search lights.
There's about four of them on here.
And I've been planning this now for, oh, anywhere from a month to six weeks.
It took me a while to paint up the plane.
Because I had to use that, uh, MRON.
The only thing but stick to this gel coat I got on.
This thing's built out of camphor and carbon fiber.
I got it dressed, 8G positive, 10G negative.
It's overbuilt.
I tell you what, I'm going to get down here and squirm like a little frog
just to sit down by big dog when I get down here.
A few minutes here, I'll tell you that.
Because I'm not going to...
Hey, looks like there's a F-16 coming up here.
I wouldn't be surprised.
You're making a mistake.
Hey, he's scrambling somebody down there.
He's got some afterburners on because I can see him.
He's about five miles out.
That old boy is cranking.
Yes, sir!
And I see something opening up here on the ground.
It's the... I'm pretty low now.
I'm starting to pick up all kind of buildings down here.
I see something here is level with the... with the ground and just... They're opening this thing up.
There looks like something's coming up out of that.
I can't tell you what it is.
It must be on some kind of a...
Hold on here, I gotta make this turn.
Alright.
I think this old boy's gonna head up here for me.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Oh, he's gonna be up here right directly, cause he's in the F-16, sure as hell.
He's coming to hold on here.
I would advise you to turn your... Come on in here.
We can do this.
I would advise you to turn on your radio.
Come on, baby.
Come on, baby.
Come on, baby, we can do this now.
Come on in here.
Hold on, this old boy's coming up here.
Now, he's got his lights... He's got his lights on and he's flashing me.
Yeah, he's probably... I'm not waving at him.
No radio.
He don't know that.
Well, if I were you, I'd turn it on.
I hope these folks are listening to Art Bell, because everybody listens to Art Bell.
Well, maybe if you're making... You're making a bad calculation, because if they're not listening, you're going to be shot down.
I don't know what he's going to do here.
He's rockin' his wings at me right now, just, uh... He's rockin' his wings, and he's cuttin' in front of me.
And you know, just, uh... Oh, don't cut in front of me now, because if he cuts that close, stay off!
Stay off!
He could hit his, uh, vortex from his engine!
I'm prattin' with the engine!
We're gonna, just like Twin Tornadoes, if he gets too close, stay off, bro!
Hold on there, I'm gettin' down on the deck.
I'm goin' in, I'm gettin' down here, he ain't gonna get me.
I'll bet them veterans ain't going to get me there.
They didn't get me over there, they're not going to get me over there now.
Looks like some kind of rail gun coming up out of that elevator, that flat area over there that the doors opened up.
It's got some kind of a weird looking barrel on it with a light.
And, oh hell!
They're doing something, they're shooting at me now!
Oh God!
No baby, I'm going in!
I think I'm going in.
Oh well. I'm not sure what we just heard.
All right.
All I can tell you is, I got a fax that read, Art, answer the wildcard line.
My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas and ready to fly into Area 51.
He's been trying to call you by cell phone.
I withheld the signature at the bottom of the fax so I could be sure that if I did get the person, I could verify it.
Indeed, it was signed by Jill.
Now, whether what you just heard was a hoax Or the real thing, I have no way of telling you.
And I have no way of knowing.
You tell me.
Guess who I just got a fax from?
You're not gonna believe it, folks.
It's from... Bugs.
How many of you, if you've been listening to the program for a long time, you might remember Bugs.
He's a man who thought that he killed actually two Bigfoot.
And he was going to lead us to the burial site of these two Bigfoot.
And by the time the program was over, this audience had so convinced Bugs that he would be charged with, at the very least, manslaughter and likely murder if they went to the gravesite.
He disappeared.
Well, I've got a guest coming on here in a moment, just a regular kind of guy.
Who had an encounter with Bigfoot.
Bugs heard about it.
Bugs, just this moment, sent me a fax that says the following art.
The picture of Bigfoot on your web page looks like it's real.
It looks very much like the ones that I shot several years ago.
I printed the picture and used a magnifying glass and it looks like the real thing.
Bugs.
Alright.
Here's the first part of a letter I got.
Art, it's been a strange, long journey.
About ten years now.
But this photo is the keystone to our tale.
My friend Ace was able to take this and several others seven weeks after our late night encounter.
He was able to bury himself in the snow and brush.
Only then did he get the chance to get any picture after we had tried for weeks.
I believe this creature knew he was around somewhere.
May have been able to smell him, but not see him, or would never have come out into the open.
When the creature got this close, see photo, which I have on the web, Ace became very afraid and wet his pants.
Well, I don't blame Ace, do you?
Now once you see the photo, it knew Uh, where he was then and quickly moved away.
Ace showed me the photos about two days after he'd taken them.
I told him to hide them and keep them in a safe place.
They were so safe, we couldn't find them.
Ace turned this one up because he was moving to a new house.
The photo was resting at the bottom of a seldom used drawer at his mom's place.
It always seems when the going gets weird, the weird seems to know where I am.
I know the feeling.
But now I can share this weird with the rest of the world.
Thanks, Art, for taking the time to look at our photo and to read my letter.
P.S.
It's okay to use my name on the air.
Signed, Dan.
Dan, are you there?
Yep.
Dan, you're in where?
Arnold, Missouri, eh?
Right.
Do you want to give your last name, Dan?
Yes, Dan D. Doty.
Dan D. Doty, that's D-O-T-Y, right?
Right.
From Arnold, Missouri.
You know, people sit out there, Dan, and a lot of times they say, well, you know, if somebody wants to come on the air and tell a story and they won't give their name, it takes away from the credibility.
So, I appreciate your giving your name.
Right.
It's just that, well, I've been running around like a nut for the last ten years trying to explain the story to people and didn't have any evidence.
And now we do.
Alright, we've got the photograph.
There's a million people going up to the website, I guarantee right now, to take a look at the photograph.
And Bugs looked at it and he said he thought it's real.
I don't know if you remember who Bugs was or not.
I've never heard of Bugs.
Well, maybe you will if he's got the guts to call and give me a number to call him.
Anyway, listen.
Tell us your story.
How in heaven's name did you come upon this creature?
What's his story?
Well, for a long time.
Uh, we've heard, like, little stories, rumors, that out in this area near Otto, Missouri, uh, right next to where Ace lives, that these creatures were out there.
People had seen them.
His mother had, uh, called the Sheriff's Department when one came out right to the house.
Right up to the house?
Right up to the house.
Right next to a car.
Her and a neighbor of hers were both totally freaked out.
I'm sure.
Uh, the Sheriff's Department came out there.
One of the deputies maybe went, like, three feet in the woods.
All you people want to do is get on TV or something and you wouldn't go back there and take a look.
Was this on the outskirts of town or what?
Well, a lot of towns in Missouri are kind of spread out.
They're usually interconnected on roads and stuff.
Right.
And the area where these creatures were, I'm going to use, I'll explain that a little later, was an area about five miles by about two and a half miles large.
It was a very large wilderness area.
All right.
And, uh, well, we were... He goes, well, let's see if we can really get a look at these things.
Because we both had had late-night encounters with them.
Now, I want to understand that there had been reports.
In other words, you knew the creatures were in the area.
Right.
Other people had seen them.
His mother had.
Other names had.
So you... How old were you?
At the time, uh, 25.
25.
And your buddy?
Uh, around...
Around 30.
Around 30.
And so you guys decided, we're gonna go try and find this thing, huh?
Right.
Oh, so it was a mission.
And so you, and for that reason you had a camera with you?
Uh, not at that time, no.
We just wanted to see if we could find them.
Alright, so off you went into the woods.
But not very far.
Not very far.
Uh, Ace went back to his house to get some sound equipment, something to amplify sound with.
Well, he's inside.
I'm outside waiting.
Yeah.
And I hear something rushing around in the bushes.
I said, that's probably coyote.
We got tons of them out here.
We have them here too.
Yeah.
And I shown the flashlight around and I caught one of these creatures in the face with the flashlight.
And it was maybe somewhere between 10 and 12 feet tall.
10 and 12 feet tall.
And of course, Real quick, rationalize it in your mind.
It's just a tree.
It's something else.
It's not this.
It's not this.
And as soon as Ace came out, just by reflex, I put the flashlight at him.
Of course.
And then I brought it back, and there's just this empty space between the trees where this thing was.
I said, oh my God, it was one of them.
Did you see it well enough to describe it at that point, or were you in shock?
Well enough to describe it.
What did you see?
A humanoid-like face.
Uh, high cheekbones, high brow, uh, lantern jaw, uh, very, kind of almost, uh, battleship-grade texture to its skin.
Really?
Yeah.
Uh, an ape-like appearance?
Uh, if you count the nose, the nose is very small.
It's more like a bulldog's nose than a human's.
Okay.
Let me ask you this.
What you saw in that shining flashlight, is that the same thing that we've got in the photograph?
Pretty much so, yeah.
Oh, man.
Because I knew after we started going to the woods, Ace gave me the sound equipment.
I put that on.
I could hear everything.
You know, leaves blowing the whole bit.
Did you actually get the sound on tape?
No, we didn't.
Well, I've got a couple of sounds.
That, uh, are said to be Bigfoot.
All right, if you want to play them.
Have you ever heard them?
Oh, yes.
You've heard them?
Scream and talk.
Um, exactly.
Listen.
This is the first one.
I think it's a little less credible.
Pretty horrible stuff.
Now, to me, that one, uh, that one, Dan, has always sounded kind of like A human in the tortures of hell somewhere, something like that.
I think I've heard that sound before, too.
You do?
From a movie called Legend of Boggy Creek.
Could be.
It sounds like it.
You just never know.
It could be, but it always sounded to me like a human being going through some horrible torture, and humans can almost sound animalistic.
Now comes the second one.
Now this sound, this sound by every Bigfoot expert I've talked to, is said to be the genuine sound of a real Bigfoot.
Definitely not something you'd want to meet in the middle of the woods or
anywhere else anytime ever.
A horrible sound, indeed.
Uh, have you ever heard anything like that?
Uh, actually, just... Hello?
Yes.
Oh.
Uh, actually, I've only heard one, uh, after I started viewing through movies and stuff, I've only heard one... One movie that actually had the exact sound, and that was something that, uh, uh, was done called, uh, Bigfoot Man or Beast.
Yes.
And, uh, that had the exact sounds on it.
Somebody recorded that, and I said, God, that's it.
Do you still have the recordings that you guys made?
Uh, we never got a chance to make any recordings.
In other words, well, okay, so, anyway, here you were, you shined the flashlight in your friend's face, and said, and did what?
Uh, I didn't say anything at that point.
I don't know why.
I just didn't open my mouth.
You didn't open your mouth?
I just basically said, come on, we're going in.
We're going in.
Right.
And, uh, we maybe got 15 feet Down the path into the woods and he just turned completely pale on me.
And I just go, hey, you know, what's wrong?
He just said, I don't know.
I just got the feeling like I walked over my own grave.
And before I could say anything, we heard things rushing around the bushes.
I put mine to the left.
He put his to the right.
I didn't see anything.
Next thing you know, I hear a screaming, uh, Jesus Christ, he's as big as a house.
And I wasn't going to go, well, let me examine this closely.
Uh, we both darted back out real quick.
So that was encounter number one, huh?
Well, the encounter isn't finished.
Okay.
Cause as soon as we backed out, we were like, whoa, you know, this, this is freaky.
And, uh, just about that time, a very large blue, uh, ball of light zipped out of the sky and went into the woods.
Oh, so in other words, there was a UFO involved in this.
Yes, and we're both, at this time, it felt like somebody dumped like 10 gallons of ice cold water over me.
I'm certain, yeah, I'm certain.
And at that particular moment, I heard two of the creatures talking back and forth to each other.
What?
Really?
Yeah, they, it's like some gurgling sound between them like they're having conversation.
I'm just, just freaking at this point.
I'm sure you are.
And Ace is kind of like giggling and laughing.
I think he was pretty much in shock, too.
Well, people react in strange ways to total terror.
Some laugh.
I know.
He was freaked out, too.
And I said, well, let's get back in your house real quick, OK?
All right.
So back in you went.
Right.
And it was pretty much a frightening experience for me.
This was at night.
This whole thing had occurred at night, right?
Right.
But the photograph that we've got Was during the daytime, because we kept trying to get a picture of it, because here I come back home, explain this to my family, they all think I just went nuts on them.
God, they all still think I'm nuts.
They do?
I think everybody in the whole town does.
Have you ever wondered about yourself, Dan?
I'm serious.
I mean, have you ever wondered whether this really happened?
Well, if Ace hadn't been there, I would have probably said, I think I lost it.
Yeah, okay, I hear you.
Where's Ace now?
Uh, Ace is home.
I called him to say that I was going to be doing this program.
He said he couldn't stay up and listen to it because he had to go to work tomorrow.
Okay, but so, the point is, you've got an eyewitness.
Mm-hmm.
Now, did you go to the media with that?
Was there a story in the newspaper about you and Ace?
Uh, no.
Everybody ignored it.
Everybody ignored it?
Uh, they didn't want to hear it.
Yeah, I know about that.
I don't want to hear about that stuff.
I called up a number of radio stations, a very large one here in St.
Louis.
Basically got made fun of on the air when I told them my story, as I've told you.
Really?
Yes, and basically, you're nuts, you're crazy, and all the calls kind of confirmed that opinion after I got off the air.
Well, that was a conventional way media used to react to this kind of thing, Dan.
As far as I can tell, they still do that way.
Well, some do.
The smirks are becoming fewer.
Anyway, so you had this encounter, this nighttime encounter, and now how in the world, how in heaven's name did you get close enough to get a photograph like the one we've got up here?
Ace was able to do it.
We both took our turns trying to get close enough to this thing to get a picture of these creatures.
We knew there was more than one.
How many do you think were there?
Uh, I said at least two.
Do you think they're still there?
Not after what, after we took the pictures, they wouldn't be.
Because something really neat happened that spring, too.
What?
Uh, for some odd reasons, government contracting guys came in, wrecked up an entire area, uh, a large portion of this area, and stuck a transmitting tower in the middle of it.
Really?
Yeah!
And after that, nobody saw anything, nobody heard anything.
So in other words, they virtually paved over the Bigfoot's habitat?
Basically, yeah.
If they're somewhere else in the area, they're not around where they used to be.
Because it's just like, somebody knew what we were doing.
And decided to fix the problem.
Well, you may have heard, early in the program, there was a lady who called from Arnold, Missouri.
Oh, I heard.
Wait a minute.
She... She was worried about going to sleep.
She wanted... Uh, I believe she said she was a hundred miles south of it.
Oh, did she?
All right.
All right.
Well, close enough then.
Uh... So you may have driven the Bigfoot her way.
Uh, be unfortunate.
Yeah, be unfortunate.
Yeah.
Um, ten or twelve feet tall.
Uh-huh.
Uh, hairy?
Very.
Very hairy.
Very hairy.
Yeah, that's what it looks like in the photograph.
And the color of the fur is almost exactly as tree bark would be.
It's a little darker, actually.
One I can tell from the other pictures when we had them is the creature hides behind trees or stays still so you can't see it.
Yeah, but this one has its face out.
That's the important part of this photograph.
They're also extremely quiet, believe it or not.
Look, Dan, I know you're just, you know, you're a layman.
But, what do you think these things are?
Uh, from all the things that's happened, uh, they do have extraterrestrial connections.
No doubt about it, because I've seen too many reports that give them that kind of thing.
Alright, tell us the story of how you got this daytime photograph.
Alright, uh, Ace and I had been sitting around trying to figure out how we were going to get this.
I mean, we had gone through the whole gambit of Gee, maybe we can sneak a picture, too.
Maybe we should go down there and try to blow one of their heads off or something and drag it back.
Yeah.
And for some odd reason, we kept talking to each other out of doing that.
Right.
Good for you.
And essentially said, well, let me get a chance.
I'm sure, for one thing, everybody was laughing, right?
So you guys wanted proof.
We wanted proof because... They couldn't laugh at you.
Ace wasn't talking so much as I was.
I was talking to her just like anybody would listen for ten seconds.
right and basically that we're going to wait it out
He said, we've been in the woods our whole lives.
When you want anything, you just have to wait it out.
Yeah, that's what you do.
And we basically took turns.
I got close to it a few times, but I never could get any chance to take pictures of it.
I could always tell when they're around.
Did you guys go out there with guns and cameras or just cameras?
Just cameras.
Just cameras.
Boy, that's gutsy.
I know.
That's gutsy because I mean obviously Ace did meet up with one.
Right.
I got close a few times but I never could get close enough for it to come out in the open.
Now it's really interesting because in the first encounter you're the guy who saw the Bigfoot but in the second encounter on shifts with you guys waiting out in the woods during the day he's the guy who got the photographs.
I think it's gutsy because he knew how to do it a little better at hunting than I am.
So what did you guys do?
Just sort of crouch down and wait?
Actually, I'm the guy that was like being mobile and trying to sneak a chance.
You know, maybe it would come out in the open or I'd trip over it.
I got close a few times but I never could get it to come out in the open.
Huh.
It's weird, you could always tell when they're around because everything just shuts up.
Birds, animals, everything.
They're just totally quiet.
So that's how you know they're in the area?
Yeah, everything just stops.
I mean, they know it is around, so they're staying as still as possible.
Mm-hmm.
And I could never get really close.
Ace came up with a brilliant idea.
I asked him, you know, the idea, how did you get so close?
He said, well, I just covered myself in snow and brush.
So he couldn't see me.
I mean, that's classic.
I want to thank you, Dan.
And if you'll listen on the radio, you're about to hear a guy named Bugs.
Once again, here I am.
Well, folks, you're not going to believe this.
But I have on the phone the author of the facts about Bigfoot.
He's on the phone with me.
And I had to talk very hard to try and get him to say a word or two on the air.
And he's going to.
You may recall the facts.
For those that don't, I'm going to read it.
I'm gonna read the facts, uh, and then we're gonna go and say a couple of words to this man.
And I am dying, as you are, of curiosity.
Dear Art Bell, I know where two Bigfoots are buried.
In 1973, two friends and myself were out hunting at night using spotlights.
Came across one Bigfoot in an open field.
He was about a hundred yards away.
Two of us shot and dropped him.
He got up, we fired again.
He went down a second time.
He got up again and started for the river.
This time he was about 250 yards out.
We fired again, hit him, but he did not drop.
The next morning we returned to the area and started to track him.
It was easy since there was a lot of blood.
We followed him down the river for about a half mile, came up on a wild, excuse me, a large wild plum thicket.
The blood trail went in there.
We flipped a coin and the odd man went in.
It was December.
There were no leaves.
I crawled in on my stomach.
And about 50 feet in, that's 50 feet, I met with a female.
Thank God for the .44 Magnum, it took three shots to bring her down.
Each time I fired, she went backwards.
She stood up, and my two buddies each fired, hitting her in the head.
That was the end of it.
We found the male dead in the thicket.
Female had the same body as that of a human, sex organ, breast, and so forth.
Male had the same type of organs as a human.
The difference, though, was that of the face that looked like a cross between a human and ape.
The male was about seven and a half feet tall.
His weighed about 350 pounds.
The female, seven feet tall and 300 pounds.
Since they looked so human, we decided to bury them.
We felt that we might get charged with murder.
All three Vietnam vets were snipers, so we knew what we were doing.
We took ten Polaroid photographs.
Pictures.
If you want to talk to me, then I will fax you my number.
Just say the word bugs, and I will fax the number to you.
If I agree to show you where they are, and if I need an attorney, your company will pay the bill.
That is the only way.
Well, while my company is certainly not prepared to foot the bill, the Bigfoot Society has indicated that with the right conditions, they are.
They'll help.
They have money.
They have resources.
They have helicopters.
They're very serious about what they're doing with regard to Bigfoot.
Now, I just, during this last break, got a simple fax with a way to contact somebody with the pseudonym of Bugs.
He's on the phone right now, and here he is from an undisclosed location.
We'll just leave it at that.
I don't even, right now, want to know where you are.
Um, but I do want to say thank you for getting back to me.
You're welcome.
I was afraid that you only listened on Sunday evenings and that you wouldn't be up this late.
Well, I was already asleep.
My wife was listening to you and she woke me up.
Woke you up, eh?
All right.
There's a lot of confusion.
People misheard the fact.
Some people thought it was 50 yards in that you crawled.
It wasn't.
It was about, according to the facts, 50 feet, correct?
Right.
This thick, it was, I would say, about 50 feet wide by 150 feet long.
It was in a draw ravine or whatever you want to call it.
You could not see down into it, but there was no leaves so you could see what was in front of you.
Let me take you back before this if I can.
The only part, and you may have heard me or your wife may have heard me mention this, that I had a hard time with was that the first shots that were taken apparently were taken at night from about 100 yards.
Right.
I take it what you had in your sights was a biped of some sort, up on two legs, right?
Right, right.
Well, when we first seen what it was, we seen the eyes.
It was basically reddish.
At first we thought it could be a deer.
The eyes were similar.
And as we got closer, it was probably I assume it is in a crouch or kneeling position.
And as we got closer, we came around a bend in the road that went into this flat area that run alongside the rover, and it was a plowed field.
And we were able to see, as we got closer, when we hit the lights, the pickup lights hit it first, brought the spotlights on it, we're using 500,000 candlewatt quartz beam lights.
Wow.
We, back in 1973, we did this basically professionally because we were hunting cows, bobcats, coons, that sort of thing, because they were bringing a lot of money.
I've got you.
And as we come around, like I said, when the lights first hit it, we thought that it was a deer with the eyes.
And as we got closer, we could see it was something crouched.
And when we stopped the pickup, it stood up.
All right, so at first it was crouched down on all fours.
I wouldn't say it was on all fours.
Or you mean kind of crouched down like you... Kneeling or something to that extent.
All right, I've got you, I've got you.
And so then as you got closer, it reared up.
It got up.
Right.
How much detail could you make out of this thing?
Oh, at the point when we put the scopes on it, we could tell what it was.
I mean, there was no doubt in our mind, Bird Dog and myself both knew immediately what it was.
That it was a Bigfoot because of the hair, the outline, the human form.
But it was so hard to, the excitement, the adrenaline at that point was pumping like you wouldn't believe.
No, I believe it.
I laid my rifle out my window and he come across the top of the cab with his, and we both fired simultaneously.
I mean, that's why we did it when we hit Couch, whichever one side, one of us fire out the driver's side or the window and the other one come across the cab and we both fired.
And we fired instantly.
He was using a .300 Weatherbly.
Which is 300 Magnum.
I was using the .243.
Okay.
He was shooting a, I believe, either .280, I believe it was a .280 grain bullet, and I was firing a .125 grain bullet.
And we both fired.
He fell over.
I mean, just like, not really fell over, like he just knocked over.
I'm assuming the .300 is what did that.
We thought he was down.
Okay, I'm not an expert with guns.
I know something about them, but I take it these are of a caliber and velocity that would bring down any normal animal.
A .300 would bring anything down in northern United States, in North America.
The .243, no, it's not.
It's more of a varmint weapon.
But the 300, I mean, you could probably bring down an elephant with it.
It's probably the most powerful rifle there is in this part of the world, outside of an elephant gun.
And the animal got up, stood on its hind feet, started to run away from us, and we fired again and again.
It was just like something pushed him down.
We knocked him down.
And again, we thought he wasn't going to get up.
And we opened our doors.
I did and stepped outside and and Bird Dog come around the front.
And he jumped up and he took off again.
And this is when we fired the third time.
And we hit him again because.
He kind of learns forward, but he was far enough out that he went across.
He hit the fence.
And when it just rolled across the fence.
And he got down into the river there and he was gone.
Now this was all at about what time of night?
I would say probably about 2.30.
2.30 in the morning, alright.
Uh, so that was at the end of what occurred that night?
Right.
We didn't, uh, we, uh, we didn't do any more, uh, looking for him that night because, you know, this thing is bigger than both of us put together nearly.
Yeah, I wouldn't go there.
We knew that he was hit, and we knew that he was hit bad.
You figured he wouldn't go very far?
No, he's not going to go very far.
He's been hit at least three times, or four, by both weapons.
He's not going very far.
And he didn't.
You came back when the next day roughly?
Oh we actually we didn't even go to sleep we just kind of drove around until sunlight.
I see.
And I would say probably oh 7 38 we arrived back over there we picked up the blood trail.
Bird Dog was a was a tracker in in Vietnam.
It was very easy for him to follow the trail and we went down, oh I imagine about a half a mile, something like
that.
Come up on a thicket.
And that was when we went in after it.
Alright, you're the guy, you flipped a coin to see who would go in odd man out, right?
Yeah, I never was very lucky.
So in you go with a .44 Magnum.
Right.
And you got about 50 feet in and found what?
Well, as I was going in, I was scared to be honest with you, but I never suspected two
of them.
I got in and the sound that this thing made as it come up at me... What was that sound?
You've heard me play, I assume?
Nothing like what you play.
Nothing like what I play?
Nothing like.
It was more of a scream.
A scream?
I mean, a woman can't scream the squealing sound.
The way this thing screamed, and uh, it just, I mean it just put chills down your spine.
But, I seen it move, I seen it coming toward me, and it was on all fours coming toward me.
And I fired, and the 44, I'm shooting a 240 grain hollow point with an overcharge, literally knocked that thing back about 3 or 4 feet.
It got up and it come after me again.
And I fired again.
It did it three times that away.
And the fourth time, it stood completely up.
And when it did, Bird Dog and my other buddy cut loose on it and they went through the head.
Alright, I take it the thicket was low enough so that when this creature stood up all the way, it was standing high enough so they could get a shot at it.
Right, right.
Probably plum thicket.
I imagine probably five, six foot tall.
And something to that extent.
Well it dropped and didn't make any more sounds and I got closer and I think it wasn't breathing so I knew it was gone.
And about another probably 10 foot on the other side of it I seen the other one laying there.
And so it took all three of us to drag them out.
They were that heavy.
And then when we examined them we got scared.
Because the organs, everything, It was just like a human body with hair on it.
Oh, that was going to be my question.
It was covered with hair?
Right.
It had kind of a brownish red hair.
Brownish red.
And you estimated the weight, I think, the male about 350 pounds, the female about 300, huh?
Something in that neighborhood.
And both of them over 7 feet?
At least.
I can promise you that they were at least seven foot tall.
They could have even been taller.
No clothing, right?
No clothing.
Um, the head looking half human?
Uh, I don't know how to really explain it.
Best you can.
It had a nose similar to a human's nose, but the mouth similar to an ape.
The eyes, Half human, half ape looking.
It had a large, protruding type forehead.
Whereas ours, you know, kind of comes almost down on your eye.
This one hung probably half an inch or so out more so than ours would.
Did it have a neck?
Short neck.
Very short, huh?
Probably, if I remember right, maybe three inches.
That's not much of a neck.
I tell you, the best way to describe the way they look from the back side, you've seen weightlifters where they don't have no neck and it just goes all up in the muscles.
Yeah, sure.
That's the way it looked.
Like a no-neck NFL player.
Right, right.
Well, look, I can imagine your fear.
I mean, what did you guys do when you finally got the bodies?
You dragged them out.
You looked at them.
What was the conversation like?
Well, we started talking about what are we going to do?
Should we notify somebody or should we bury these suckers or what?
Right.
And we finally come to the conclusion that we might go to prison.
And so we decided, hey, let's put these suckers in a hole.
and we buried him and then covered it where nobody would ever know that he had been buried there.
Alright, well I'm not an attorney, but from what you've told me, you didn't commit murder.
I mean, you were hunting, and clearly, I think, if your description is even close to accurate, you did not kill what we think of as human beings.
Let me ask you to stay put for just a minute.
I've got commercial things I must do.
So, without identifying the person, other than to say, this is Bugs, back now to somebody identified only as Bugs.
Alright, Bugs.
So, you guys, you sat around, you talked about it, you figured, look, we could get charged with something.
So, let's bury our mistake, I guess, or bury our... Did you consider it a mistake at that point?
I don't know what I considered it.
I just, uh, being cautious.
Uh, is more than anything.
Uh, we didn't know what would happen, uh, or what would go on, and it was just better that we just bury it.
We took a photograph.
Oh, that's the other question.
You took, it says here, ten Polaroid photographs.
Right.
Do you have those?
I don't have my three.
They burned in my house, burned in 1979.
My friends still have theirs.
Alright.
They still have seven photographs out there somewhere.
Uh-huh.
So you feel you could return to the area, the site where these creatures are buried?
I know exactly where they're buried.
Your only request is that you would have assistance if it came to legal trouble, is that correct?
Well, I don't want to go to jail.
Well, it's been a long time.
You're coming forward now.
What made you decide to come forward?
I never told no one except my wife, and I told her about this probably a year and a half, two years ago.
And I guess the basic reason, I used to own every kind of weapon there was.
Been an ex-marine, you know, what the heck.
But after that happened, I don't even own a weapon anymore.
It did something to me.
That makes sense.
And, uh, I just, uh...
I don't know, I was listening to y'all talking the other night, and everybody was kinda laughing about, you know,
Bigfoot.
Hey, it's real, buddy.
Alright, look, here's what I propose to do.
I will, with your permission, get you a telephone number.
That you can call if you want to.
Now, I'm the only one who knows how to get hold of you right now.
And you keep it that way.
And I'll keep it that way, I promise.
What I will do is, I'll contact the people at the Bigfoot Project, and if you want to proceed, I will then give you their number, and you can call them and take it a step at a time with them.
How does that sound?
Well, that sounds fine, but I'll tell you, I still have to talk to my other two friends.
They no longer live here.
one of them, well let's put it this way, if I told you before, I was going to tell them.
Yeah, don't tell me.
But they no longer live in this town.
Well, if you know how to contact them, why don't you go ahead and do that?
And see if they feel the same way you do or not.
And we'll proceed from there, Bugs.
But it'll have to be unanimous with all of us.
All three of us will have to agree to it.
I understand.
Look, I appreciate your coming forward.
I'm sure you'll hear some comment about it.
And I appreciate your telling the story.
So all I can tell you is, I will protect you.
I will tell you this much, Art.
The day I die, I will have a map where it's at.
So, I'm 51 years old now.
So it's not going to last forever.
You're welcome.
Well there.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
I've got to take off. Thank you very much, Bugs.
You're welcome.
Get a good night's sleep.
You can.
Well, there.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
This is CBC.
Here I go again, right in the middle of it.
KINGHAAA Man, wasn't that something?
But listen, I took the opportunity to talk to somebody during the break who knows about shooters, hunters, and he said what you just heard was a real McCoy.
I'm not a hunter.
I'm not a significant shooter.
I know how to shoot.
I've done a fair amount of it, but I don't hunt.
I've never hunted.
Ever since I killed a squirrel when I was very young.
But I think what you just heard was real.
I thought the facts was real, and I thought what you just heard was real.
So I don't know.
That puts me seriously in the middle.
But a promise is a promise.
So I'll proceed exactly as I said I would.
I don't know.
What do you guys think?
There are many of you out there, I know, who are far more familiar with Hunters.
And you listened to the story as I did.
What were your impressions?
What have we got on our hands here?
How would you proceed?
Talk radio.
Man, oh man.
Incidentally, while we're on the subject of talk radio, A piece of news just came in from the wire service.
I think it's probably Associated Press.
And I'll read it to you as is.
A man has been arrested for allegedly threatening radio personality Howard Stern.
Police in New York say Samuel, it's C-A-L-L-E-A, of Buffalo, Buffalo, New York, was waiting when Stern arrived this morning to do his radio program.
He allegedly shouted, quote, I'm going to kick your ass.
I'm going to kill you, end quote.
Stern's bodyguards, didn't know he had those, asked the person if he had a weapon.
Police say he replied, yeah, got a shotgun in the trunk of my car.
The bodyguards called police who arrested the man and issued him a summons charging weapons possession and criminal trespass.
So, um, Hallard had a bit of a scare, I guess, uh, today.
Thought I'd pass that on.
Talk radio is a strange, strange medium.
And it's a kind of place where anything can happen, as was just demonstrated.
I don't know, you tell me.
What do you think we've got here?
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First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yeah, hi, Art.
This is Mark in Seattle.
Hi, Mark.
I had a question for you about your Cusco bumper music.
Yes.
There's a piece you've been playing for about the last two and a half years I've been listening to you, and it starts out with a pounding drum beat, and it's not the one that was just on.
Oh, yes, uh-huh.
If you could tell me what the name of that one was.
Africa.
Pardon me?
It's called Africa.
Africa.
And which of the albums is that on?
Um, I can't remember.
Okay.
Uh, but it's called Africa, so obviously if you go into a music store and look through the albums, that's what you look for.
Okay.
Thanks, Art.
Alright, thank you, sir.
Uh, it might be, uh, Permac 2.
That's just a kind of an off-the-hip guess.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, this is Ron in Montana.
Hello, Ron.
I've got a couple questions.
Yes, sir.
My understanding on this guy with the Bigfoot issue is they were out at 2 o'clock in the morning when they first saw this.
Why are they hunting at 2 o'clock in the morning?
Well, they were hunting for money.
Oh.
They were actually out killing for money.
If you listen, did you listen to it?
I was getting bits and pieces of it.
My station drifts in and out.
I see, I see.
How did the tone of the story sound to you?
Well, it sounded realistic.
I guess I'm just concerned with the responsibility of these hunters.
Shooting at something that they haven't identified kind of gives sportsmen a bad name.
Well, if you were out in the woods and you saw something down on its haunches, and it was gigantic and hairy, I guess, based on that much, I mean, that's not a human being, in your estimation.
So, you know, I don't know what to think here, and I'm not sure how to proceed, but it sounds to me like they may have shot too Bigfoot.
Well, that's the impression I got, I guess.
I just don't see this being very responsible sportsmen out there shooting at something that you haven't identified.
It didn't sound like it was being a threat to them at the time.
well of local a lot of a lot of the other sir wait a minute women women a
lot of sportsman take down uh... game that is not a threat to them
but they usually have a life and her sister should be happy i'll
Well, all of that aside, I mean, fine, not responsible.
Maybe not, I don't know.
But I would think that if you saw something that was fully hairy, that your presumption, without close, your presumption certainly would be that it was not a human being.
And I'm not going to sit here and defend the morality of taking a shot.
Or, you know, of his taking the shot.
Nor am I going to criticize it.
What I wanted to get mostly now from y'all is a sense of the story.
In other words, did you believe it?
I happen to think it's true.
I believe it.
I think we've got somebody here who Who took down a couple of Bigfoot.
Or something.
Like a Bigfoot.
First time caller line.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art.
Hello.
I was listening to the story about the guy that supposedly shot Bigfoot.
Yeah.
With a couple.
Yep.
And I do believe him.
Because my father used to travel a lot.
He was a truck driver.
And he had told me One time that he thought there was an animal on the side of the road, which he thought was a deer.
It was crouched down.
He's seen the eyes, you know, like a deer with headlights would hit the eyes.
And then it got up and walked on all on its two feet.
And it was around seven foot tall.
And matter of fact, from that day on, he was an avid Bigfoot fan.
Jimmy, he You know, bought magazines and researched on his own a lot.
Sure, it would drive you to that, I'm sure.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know, the story just unfolded correctly, I thought.
You know, I'm not a hunter, so I can't judge that.
Well, I'm not a hunter either, but if you shot something like that that was close to human, half human and reasonably half ape, you would probably be React the same way they did too.
I would think I'd be scared to death.
I'd probably bury the thing too.
I know and that's what I said the other night.
And coming forward, he has to prove himself now.
No, that's right.
Thank you very much for the call.
That's exactly right and I might have done the same thing.
And I might have taken the shot too.
I don't know.
I'm not a hunter.
I guess I wouldn't because I wouldn't be out there hunting.
But I don't know.
To me, the story had, you know, layman me, it had the ring of truth to it.
Now, what I would like to hear from is some hunters.
I mean, you guys speak the language.
Was this guy, uh, did he seem to be on the level to you?
Sure does make me feel in the middle of this.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello?
Who are you expecting?
Art Bell?
Bingo.
Hey, how are you doing?
I'm doing fine.
Turn your radio off.
I already turned it off, sir.
I never believed I would get on the air.
Well?
I've been listening to your show for like about six months, and I think you're a real good, uh, uh, announcer.
Uh, about the Bigfoot, are you guys still talking about that?
Uh, whatever you want, sir.
Oh, okay, uh, well, I believe that guy referred to that other guy that talked about, um, That story about, uh, UFOs?
I beg your pardon?
Yeah, about a couple nights ago, uh... I'm a little bit excited, though.
This is Thur...
Call toll free 1-800-618-8255.
No, no, no, no.
You're not allowed to use your last name on the air.
So I just had to take all that out.
So let's start again.
Your name is Joe?
Yeah.
All right, Joe.
That's all we need is just your first name.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Anyway, you listened to the story that man told, didn't you?
Yeah.
And?
Well, I think it's 100% believable.
You do, huh?
Yeah.
Have you ever done any hunting?
No, but I got a friend that does, and I'm going to tell him about it.
I'm going to tell him about it tomorrow.
All right, thank you very much.
We'll look forward to that.
I want to hear from some hunters.
That's one of the only ways I can quantify this story.
I'm just a layperson in this area, and to me, it sounded legit.
But I'd like to hear from some hunters.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
My name's Paul.
Hi, Paul.
And I'd like to read you something here.
Read me?
Please don't.
What is it concerning?
Well, it's civil rights.
Civil rights?
Yeah.
You want to read us our civil rights?
Well, it's kind of like a law that enforces our civil rights.
It's a law that enforces our civil rights?
Yeah.
Why would you want to read this to us?
Well, let the people know that they have civil rights.
Right, to enforce a law that will keep people from taking their civil rights.
A law that will... I thought that was the Bill of Rights.
Well, it's true, but this is out of the law books Crime and Punishment.
Well, thank you very much, but we don't read on the air.
If you want to have a discussion about something, you're welcome to do it, but I've found generally, when people read on the air, it just doesn't work out.
I think most people are aware of what rights they have.
As a matter of fact, people are very aware of the rights they have.
Not so aware of the responsibilities that should come with them.
Um, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art.
Yes?
Thoroughly enjoyed your book.
I beg your pardon?
Oh, my book?
You liked it, huh?
Yeah, I did.
Good, I'm glad.
Oh.
It's the new Mother Nature she's taken over.
What's the new Mother Nature?
The one that's gonna get us all.
Gonna get us all?
Yeah.
Doomsday?
Yeah, we've got a long time for that.
The end of the line?
We've got a long time for that.
Oh, good.
We're all worrying for nothing.
Alright, thank you.
Strange.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello!
Art?
Yes?
Oh, sorry about that.
I just wanted to call about this Bigfoot thing.
What'd you think?
Well, I have a hard time believing it.
I have to agree with the gentleman who called in and said he couldn't... that it was giving sports a bad name, shooting what they weren't sure they were at.
But that is not the issue.
The issue is whether or not... Well, I mean, that's what's putting doubt in my mind.
If these all are the hunters they claim to be, I don't believe they would have shot something without identifying it first.
So that throws the... But wait a minute now.
He did identify it to the degree that it was in a crouch.
It had a totally hairy body and didn't look fully human.
Now, that's pretty animal-like.
Okay, well, I came into the story late, but if you could maybe clarify... Oh, I see, so you didn't hear it.
Yeah, if you could maybe clarify one... I heard the last part of his call.
Oh, alright, well, then thank you for the call, but obviously you're not going to be able to reasonably comment on it.
I swear I'd play it back if I had the ability to do that.
I should have recorded it so I could do exactly that.
Darn.
Well, we do have it, of course, at the network, and it could be played back from there, but not tonight, as the recording continues.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
This is Mike from Flint, Michigan.
Yes, sir.
I'm going to reserve comment on the Bigfoot thing until I hear a little more.
This is kind of a strange story that I read in one of the tabloids, but it was sort of Off the wall, there is an element of truth to it, I think, because it involves... Were you familiar with the 60s rock band Iron Butterfly?
Sure.
I don't know if maybe some of your listeners have heard this, but their bass player, after the group broke up or whatever, was some sort of a computer wizard, and evidently Just a couple of years ago, I mean, I guess he made quite a decent amount of money.
A couple of years ago, according to this article, he came upon some, worked out some sort of program on this computer, some sort of big deal.
They didn't really explain it too well.
I'm hoping maybe somebody out there will know, but evidently it involved community, faster, this is what it said, faster than light communication, which is pretty bizarre.
You know, faster than light, anything is pretty bizarre, but, um, this, uh, then, evidently, now, the guy is missing.
He's, uh, you know, that was the main crux of the story, uh, was that he was missing.
Vanished?
A victim of his own new calculations, perhaps?
Possibly.
Uh, evidently, he left a message on his phone machine, uh, saying that he was going to kill himself.
Oh.
So maybe, or, I don't know, has he ever turned up somewhere?
Nobody has found the body.
What's that?
I said nobody has found the body.
No, they, they, uh, it's, uh, he, like I said, he may have even just came up not missing anymore.
I was wondering, maybe somebody out there knows a little more about this than I do.
Alright, weird story.
We'll, uh, check it out with some others.
Thank you.
I have no idea.
Interesting concept.
Faster than light communications.
Accomplished with something that communicates roughly at the speed of light or just below it.
Huh.
I wonder if there would be a way to accomplish that through computation.
Not as wild as you might imagine.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, this is Sky in New Orleans.
Hello, Sky.
Yes, I'm going to call for input on the bugs.
I find it more believable than not by what margin, I'm not sure.
I'll tell you why.
One, I myself am a hunter.
I've been a sniper before also.
He did sound to know exactly what he was talking about as far as firearms, especially when he was speaking about the .300.
That is definitely something that can reach out and touch someone.
The way he, you know, described everything and just, you know, what weapons, you know, we're doing to the creature, you know, would make sense.
And just, I don't know, just the sound of his voice, like it was an actual experience.
Yeah, I know.
It hit me that way, too.
There's something else that's also, you know, I don't know if you've got a lot of time for this.
I've tried to get through before with your Halloween show, Truth or Trash.
But a related story is, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Fog Monster or the Honey Island Swamp Monster down in this area?
No, I haven't.
I'll tell you what, though.
I will put you on hold, alright?
Okay.
And you're going to have to sit for a while.
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Now, this came from a tabloid of some kind?
No, not a tabloid.
No?
There's a long time, been floating around stories about What is called the Honey Island Swamp Monster.
What is it?
By the way, is your radio on, sir?
Oh, I'm sorry.
I did turn it back on during the recording.
Turn it off.
It is off.
All right.
What is this monster?
There's been numerous reporting, which is basically a Bigfoot type creature with an incredibly foul stench.
And the Honey Island Swamp is right along the border of Louisiana and Mississippi area in the Pearl River area.
And like I said, for several, several years, you hear different stories coming through about people, you know, hunters, trappers, people out crawfishing and what have you, coming across creatures that look, you know, basically a Bigfoot type description.
And the same came from the Falk area of Arkansas, which is in the lower, or the southwest corner, around the Texarkana area.
Right.
And what has been strange, some people have reported coming across footprints, oddly enough, with a three-toe.
There have been so many reports that I'm fairly convinced there is something out there.
This man's story that I heard a little while ago.
there have been different stories floating around the swamp areas.
Yeah, there have been so many reports that I'm fairly convinced there is something out
there.
This man's story that I heard a little while ago, what did you think of it, sir?
Well I could say, if I had to guess, I would say, you know, 60%, you know, maybe a little
better, more believable than not.
Than not.
All right.
I would agree with that.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
And that's, I guess, my assessment, too.
About 60 percent or a little better.
In other words, I lean toward believing it.
Amazing as it is.
I'm really glad he called.
I'm glad that you all got to hear it.
I don't know that I'm glad I'm in the middle of this right now, because I think I believe it.
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Well, well, well, we're gonna get in lots of trouble tonight, I suppose.
I've got a lot of neat guests coming up, and I just have a surprise guest for you tonight.
Subject, the Chupacabra.
And I've got a million faxes and emails here.
Dear Art, we saw a report about the Goat Sucker, or Chupacabra, on our local NBC Channel 4 News today out of Los Angeles.
The news anchors, Ken and Barbie, did not seem amused.
Looks like some fairly serious stuff.
See you on the radio.
Regards, Bill.
All right, here we go again.
Right now, 620 p.m., CBS Affiliate, Channel 2.
There is a long report about the chupacabras.
Saying that there have been accounts all over the outskirts of Los Angeles now where dead animals like chickens and rabbits have been showing up by the dozens with two puncture marks in various parts of their bodies.
No blood on the ground.
In fact, no blood.
No signs of struggle.
My skin is crawling.
This is getting a little too close to home.
That's from an archaeologist in Los Angeles.
Or, Art just got done watching the 6 o'clock news on Channel 2's CBS.
Did a long-term segment on Chupacabra or the Goat Sucker.
They showed dead goats, chickens, other various animals.
This story from Mexico City.
Reuters, a giant bat-like creature is terrorizing a village in a northern Mexican state where goats are found dead daily with their blood sucked dry.
Poor farmers from a village there have formed night-time vigilante squads to track down the flying beast that has been dubbed the Goat Sucker.
We are telling people to keep the women and children locked up and inside at night.
This is real.
There's something out there.
Alright, to Princeton University in New Jersey we go.
And to Hector or Tito Armstrong.
Hector, welcome to the program.
Thank you very much, Art.
How are you?
Just fine.
What would you prefer to be called?
Hector or Tito?
Actually, I'll go by my nickname, which is Tito.
Tito.
All right, Tito.
Welcome to the program.
You are from Puerto Rico, right?
Yes, that's correct.
So let's begin this way.
What the hell is this thing?
And what does it look like?
Can you describe it as best you can?
Um, without being able to show people a picture, if you just close your eyes and describe it, what does this creature look like?
Okay, well, according to most, um, eyewitness accounts, or most, um, reports, this creature supposedly, um, has the shape of a, uh, a small kangaroo, but, uh, it's, it's sort of reptilian in nature with two large, um, red eyes, and, um, So, basically, it would look like a cross between a small kangaroo and a small dinosaur.
That's, I think, the best way to describe it.
And it has, allegedly, some spines growing out of its back.
I was going to ask you about that.
It looks scaly on its back.
Exactly, yes.
And then, it basically looks very, like, typically gray alien in nature.
With regards to its head, and then the body then looks sort of like kangaroo-ish with a tail in the end.
Can this thing fly?
Allegedly, it can.
I mean, there have been some reports that it can fly.
But I mean, obviously, due to the nature of this, that hasn't been confirmed in any way yet.
Right.
All right.
It began, I guess, in Puerto Rico, or at least the first reports were there.
Then I began to hear reports about South America.
Then I started to hear reports about Mexico.
And in the last couple days, suddenly Los Angeles, even Oregon, the U.S.
West Coast.
How can this thing be spreading so quickly?
I think the most logical thing to assume is that this sort of thing has been going on already for a while and it's only because of the exposure of the chupacabra or Well, now wait a minute.
I'm not sure about that, Hector.
Or Tito, I'm sorry.
We'll call you Tito.
link the name to these sort of happenings that have been going on for a
while well now wait a minute i'm not sure about that hector uh... or do you
know i'm sorry we'll call you to you know do you know because of i watch the news very carefully for
things like this and we have not been getting reports other than occasional
cattle mutilation of chickens and goats uh... with the blood
drained from their bodies into marks on the outside and four marks on the inside it's
We've not been getting those reports.
This is fairly recent.
Okay, well then that means that definitely something stranger is going on.
I mean, my explanation would sound logical, but I guess that if If we haven't been hearing about stuff like that, then this is even more mysterious than we previously had thought.
Right.
Which is very interesting, indeed.
It is, and it seems to be spreading quickly.
If you had to make a guess, or maybe I'd ask you, Tito, what is the best guess about where this thing comes from?
I would hesitate to hazard a guess.
But basically, the consensus, if there is any, seems to be that this is something that is not native to the Earth.
I mean, however strange that sounds.
I think, regarding everything that's been going on, that's our best bet.
And then, if we go from there, then... I mean, that we go from there.
But this is definitely something that hasn't been seen before.
And everything about it, even its attacks, the way it does this, samples that have been collected of the creature itself, point to something that hasn't been seen, that is not native to the Earth.
Not native to the Earth?
Which, I mean, by that I mean that, for example, the chemical composition of blood samples taken have not been able to be classified in any way.
And even the way that this creature attacks animals hasn't been seen before.
So that's basically what I mean by this.
It is something totally new.
Well, the theories I get, Tito, are that it may have come through a veil, through an opening from another dimension.
It may be something new.
Maybe it's something from one of our labs.
You know, we're doing a lot of genetic tampering about these days.
So, you think, though, that it comes from off-world?
Well, I mean, basically, one of the major theories is, of course, related to the alien theory, especially alien cross-breeding experiments.
That's a pretty popular theory currently.
And it posits that this creature was created and then somehow either let loose or some other thing on In Puerto Rico and elsewhere, I mean, and then this creature has become a native species to the earth then.
Do you think it began in Puerto Rico?
Um, I'm really not so sure.
I mean, I think, I mean, due to the, like, like, the big, I mean, the, the very, like, the very big exposure it got in Puerto Rico and the, the many animals that were, that were found, I'd have to hazard a guess that at least this type of creature, this type of chupacabra did start in Puerto Rico.
Alright, well what seemed to begin as a taste for chicken and goats, recently seems to have turned to a taste for humans.
There's reports now of human beings being attacked.
And if, I mean, if one assumes that this creature is a species, and it exhibits normal species characteristics, which it means that it breathes, or it, I mean, that there's more than one, then I guess it would be inevitable for it to have more and more contact with human beings, and interaction or altercation is inevitable then.
But I don't think that necessarily means that the chupacabra is ready to, or is starting to attack humans per se.
But then again, I mean, I would be on my guard just in case.
Well, I wouldn't want to meet one.
Definitely.
What can you tell me about what happened in Puerto Rico?
It's all been very sketchy.
A gal who's on my Dreamland show, Linda Howe, has gone to Puerto Rico and looked for this creature.
Now, I don't think I would do that.
I don't want to hunt up this creature and hope it doesn't hunt me up.
But what has it done in Puerto Rico?
What is documented?
Well, basically there have been documented cases of basically animals being found drained of their blood in Puerto Rico, probably thousands of animals over the past year.
Thousands?
Yeah, probably the low thousands.
There hasn't been an official count, probably because the government doesn't really take this very seriously.
They're basically keeping their distance, and it's basically been the local people who have taken it upon themselves to basically either be on their guard or try to look for this thing.
And they have organized a lot of searches for it, and they've come up with nothing so far.
Look, sucking blood, or sucking all the blood from a victim, is a either bat or vampire-like thing.
Uh-huh.
Could this be a variation of a bat?
There are blood-sucking bats, right?
Yes, it's totally possible.
Due to the fact that a lot of people have reported that this thing flies, that gives credence to that hypothesis.
However, I mean, the way that vampire bats work, I mean, since they're so small, then they only suck out very little blood out of their victims.
They definitely don't drain them dry.
That's a good point.
And especially since there's only been observed maybe two puncture marks in most of the victims, most of the animal victims, then that either means that if it is a bat, it's a very big one, and it's something totally new.
Which may exhibit the characteristics of a bat, but couldn't be called a bat per se.
But that definitely enters into the whole, you know... How big do you think this creature is?
People have said that this creature is about maybe four feet tall, maybe smaller.
That's basically been the consensus out of the many people who have seen this, face to face.
If you, with all your interest in Chupacabra, If you had an opportunity to go home to Puerto Rico, or even here in the States, and come face-to-face with one, would you do it?
Yeah, I think I would do it.
You would, huh?
Yeah, it sounds like something that I would like to do, especially if there had been reports The chupacabra or a chupacabra-like creature attacking humans that I definitely not consider it.
But I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't be alone.
And I'll tell you another thing, I wouldn't be totally without any sort of means of protection.
Are you a religious person, Tito?
Not really.
Okay.
There are many religious people who would say this is a manifestation of the devil on earth.
And certainly some of what it does is pretty devilish.
I would guess.
To put it mildly.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Tito Armstrong in Princeton.
Where are you, please?
I am calling from outside of Maryland.
Maryland, all right.
Speak up good and loud so we can hear you, and go ahead.
Yes, I am calling.
I have some reference to the Chupacabra incident which you're referring to.
All right.
In 1983, a marine diving expedition into the deep ocean Approximately 525 miles southeast of Miami located some eggs if you would call them that.
Eggs?
Yep.
Chupacabra eggs?
I don't know if it would be chupacabra however they were brought back and researched.
The creature that was found was winged when it came out Apparently due to the release of the pressure from being approximately 6,000 feet underwater.
Its wingspan totals approximately 2 meters.
Are there photographs of this?
There are.
Do you have access to them?
I do not.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Tito Armstrong in Princeton.
Hi.
Hi.
Yeah, you're talking about the chupacabra?
Yes, we are.
Yeah, um, the, uh, bite marks, you know, the two bite marks, uh, has anyone, uh, mentioned that that's, uh, very similar to the, uh, legendary vampire bite marks?
Yes, but you know what, sir?
Um, Linda Howe has been looking at this for some time, and there are two bite marks on the exterior of the skin, but when they do an autopsy, and Linda's had several done, They find inside four marks.
Four marks?
Four marks inside.
Now try and figure that one out.
Hmm.
What would go in with two and then multiply when it gets in?
That's a good question.
The only thing is, you know, in The Legend of the Vampires, we had no autopsies done on supposed victims.
That's a good point.
Yeah, I saw that.
So I'm telling you this because I'm not the only No, no, no, I know.
And when I heard you talking about the Chupacabra, it just, you know, wow.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
All right, how are you doing?
Okay.
This is Mike from California.
Yes, sir.
I want to call in for a Chupacabra encounter.
Oh, yes?
Down in Puerto Rico.
I was previously in the Navy, and we were stationed down there for reasons I don't need to get into.
There was a time when there was a lot of rain and there was a flood in Ponce and we're walking down the road and all of a sudden the chupacabra jumped out of the ground and it jumped into the front of us and we proceeded to circle the chupacabra and it spun around in circles and started hissing at us and missing that and everything else.
We didn't quite know what it was and there were some Puerto Rican nationals around there that saw us encounter this thing and ran over and told us to get away from it because it's a blood sucker.
Right.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
Hi.
I had kind of a folklore story from the Philippines.
It has to do kind of with the chukacabra type thing.
Yes, yes.
Over in the Philippines, they have what's called the marananggal.
You ever heard of it?
No, I haven't.
It's kind of a vampire-like creature where it, at night, leaves the lower half of its body in the room, flies out the window, goes around the land, taking young children.
Right.
Anyway, I heard about this down at language school in Psychological Operations for the Army, and they talked about how the CIA, back, I don't know, I think it was in the 70s, used to do, they used to grab people, the rebels, they'd grab one of the guys and take him off and kill him, drain out his blood, and leave him.
That's kind of a psychological type thing.
So I don't know how much truth there is to it, but it's kind of an interesting story, it's an interesting folklore, and as you said, there's always a Well, I would like for all of this to stay folklore.
The problem is, at the moment, it's not.
That's true.
And I don't want to see one of these things.
I don't want to meet one of them.
I wouldn't try to catch one.
And if I saw one, you know, I'd run.
Turndale.
Yeah, you've got it.
Turndale is right.
All right, thank you very much for the call.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art, this is Deborah in Columbia, South Carolina.
Hi Deborah.
I was thinking about your recent show on the Philadelphia Experiment and the cloaking process.
Yes.
That the gentleman said he could reproduce, and it reminded me of the chupacabra being able to appear and disappear, and I wonder if during these experiments they've maybe opened some kind of door and let something in they didn't know about.
It's entirely possible.
Well, thanks, Art, I sure enjoy your show.
Thank you, take care.
Sure, who knows?
It is absolutely open to speculation at this point.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Oh, good morning, Art.
This is Don in Fort Dodge, Iowa.
Yes, sir.
Hey, I'm calling about the chupacabra.
Okay.
And I see you brought up the topic of monster baiting again this morning.
Well, as it relates to a goat.
That could very well be the way to tame the savage beast, but you could go blind.
Uh, Linda Howe would make good monster bait, actually, if you want to know the truth.
I don't know whether you've seen pictures of Linda Howe, but she'd make great monster bait.
Low-cut blouse, send her into the swamp in Puerto Rico.
That'd be it.
That's monster baiting material, all right.
You betcha.
All right.
Good night, Art.
Good night, sir.
It is confirmed.
I just spoke to the newsroom at KENS in San Antonio.
It's confirmed.
Maybe not.
it's silly but you see we really gotcha like carrying the lambamba or the hook into a caracha. We started a sensation,
bout a creature that is a hallucination. We did it for the money, but we do feel like we think it's really fun. Wait
till you hear this. We call the chupacabra, four feet tall like a mutant with chihuahua in mythical city Puerto Rico,
Nicaragua. Hey, chupacabra. Now, I'm going to ask you to do me a favor and not call the KENS television newsroom.
But I just did on the advice of a listener because they confirmed it.
Here is the first report I got.
Hello Art, this is Derek in San Antonio.
And I thought you'd want to know that KENS television has obtained photographs of a chupacabra captured in a trap just south of San Antonio.
A rancher took photos of the beast and brought them to us.
He claims there were three, one in the trap and two others jumping up and down as they ran when he approached.
I will try my best to describe the photos for you.
The creature is about as long as a human leg, pasty white, has ridges on its back like a dragon, it has two front legs and two rear legs, And at the end of each, two tiny offshoots that I would not call fingers.
But I wouldn't call them paws, either.
Almost claw-looking.
You can see teeth on the thing, which is draped across the ground in an arc.
The farmer says some men saw him showing the creature and took it, saying they would have it stuffed.
He claims to know where the body is, and we are investigating.
I'll be happy to send you a copy of our story if you'd like it.
Or send you a video of the Polaroid pictures.
Contact me at, he gives me a number.
I thought you'd like this information.
Well, I read that as I do many things I get.
Then I got this.
Art, I just got off the phone with someone at the KENS television station.
And she confirmed the story.
She said the creature has been taken to Austin.
So they have it.
For further analysis, they have the video, but they cannot yet release it.
The phone number for the newsroom is blah blah blah if you want to call them, and I did during the news break.
She confirms it.
And that's all I can tell you at this hour.
They have a chupacabra.
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Hello, everybody.
Lots of stuff going on.
I'm going to interview a man that was on Dreamland and was interviewed by Linda Moulton Howe yesterday.
And it is a most remarkable, hair-raising story.
This man was a military officer down about 40 feet in a launch cubicle.
We'll find out what they're really called here.
At any rate, he's got a story to tell that is Absolutely amazing.
You know, the armed services have always said, the U.S.
government has said, in fact, after Project Blue Book, and after just about, I don't know how many years of investigation of UFOs, the official statement has always been that UFOs represent no threat to United States national security.
I'm not so sure that is a true statement, and we will explore it shortly.
Now, To Robert Salas.
Robert, are you there?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
Robert, am I pronouncing your name correctly?
Yes, you are, Art.
Thank you for having me on your show.
Happy to have you.
Robert, you were in what service?
The Air Force?
I was in the Air Force up until 1971.
Until 1971.
I had a voluntary separation.
Resigned.
I'm not.
So I haven't been in the Air Force since 1967.
You were an Air Force officer?
Yes.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
What rank were you?
Lieutenant?
I was a lieutenant in 1967.
When I resigned, I was a captain.
What years were you stationed at Malmstrom?
I was there from about August of 1966 until June of 1969.
Okay, so you were there about three years.
Right.
What did you do there?
What's at Malmstrom?
Malmstrom has strategic missiles.
They're responsible.
Well, they did at that time.
I'm just not sure what Okay, well, forget what's there now.
Let's talk about what was there then.
Right.
Basically, the Minuteman missile system.
And that was the primary mission of Malmstrom Air Force Base, to maintain and monitor those weapon systems.
Alright.
What can you tell us about the Minuteman?
I know of the Minuteman, but I don't know the details.
What is the Minuteman capable of doing?
Well, again, this is back in 1967, because I certainly don't know anything about the current weapon system.
But back then, the Minuteman 1 missile system was an intercontinental ballistic missile, of course, nuclear warhead.
It could have reached targets that, you know, were... Well, again, I don't want to even talk about the range of the missiles.
Alright, to say ICBM is to say that it could reach another continent.
Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.
So, it could have made it to the other side.
These are the big bad ones.
Yes.
You were stationed... What do you call the area down below ground?
Is it a bunker?
It's called the Launch Control... Well, the Launch Control Center is the capsule that you were referring to that was located in it.
And it's about 60 to 80 feet underground.
How many people man those things?
Two?
Two officers?
Two officers.
That's what we always see in movies.
Right.
Right.
That's where it was then, and that's in the Minuteman system.
The other weapon systems that we had, the Atlas, I'm not sure what the other ones were, but they may have had more than two, but we only had two down there.
Is it like in the movies?
Robert, where you wear a gun, the other guy wears a gun, you've got to put in keys simultaneously and turn them.
I mean, is the movie depiction of the way it is roughly correct?
Again, we're talking back to the 1967 period time.
Right.
Yeah, we wore weapons down there and we had keys and all of this, I believe, is It's public information.
Correct.
I've seen photographs of what the LCS or LCCs look like down there, and they're very accurate.
Right.
I'm going to try and ask you about, you know, if I refer to Hollywood, then you can either tell me something is right or wrong.
I certainly don't want to ask you anything, and be very careful.
Don't say anything that you ought not say.
Right.
I am curious, and I've got to ask before we get on to the body of the story here.
I was always captivated, I guess is the right word, by the amount of responsibility that somebody like yourself would have had down in a launch command center.
And what were the psychological pressures like?
Is it that you are so trained that you would just automatically do what you're supposed to do?
Or do you constantly Do you, in your own mind, agonize over what you might have
to do if your job description ever was called on?
Well, I don't think we constantly agonized about it, but it was a dire responsibility
and we all understood what we had to do in the event we were given the order to launch
our missiles because we understood why we had strategic weapons, we understood why we
Are you on a portable phone?
at the time.
Yes.
And so we wouldn't have hesitated to launch if ordered to.
I don't believe there was a lot of stress involved with that.
Let me ask you a question, Robert.
You own a portable phone.
Yes.
Is there any chance we could get you on a regular one?
It's kind of going, you know, as they do.
Well, we have the radio on.
I guess we could turn that off.
Okay.
That's a good idea.
That'll help.
Marilyn, will you turn the radio off?
Marilyn?
Marilyn?
Alright, very good.
So, there you are, day after day.
How long were you stationed, so stationed, that every day, and for how many How many hours every day would you be down there?
Well, we're down there for a 24-hour tour.
24 hours?
Right.
So, we take turns with rest, you know, sleeping.
But we'd have to be awake.
One of us would have to be awake for a 24-hour period.
But the other could sleep, huh?
Right.
Alright, again, we are getting some interference, Robert, from your portable phone.
It's making some noise or something.
Maybe you could get a little closer to the base.
Okay, fine.
All right.
The event that we're talking about now occurred where in that three-year period?
It occurred in March 16th, actually, 1967.
March 16th, 1967.
Right.
All right.
What exactly happened?
Were you in the middle of a shift, or where were you?
Right.
This was toward the end of our shift in the morning.
And I got one call first from my topside guards that he'd seen UFOs or lights, very strange lights, up above the launch control facility there.
And others had seen them and they'd been watching them for a while.
In other words, that was, when they say, above launch control, there would have been a perimeter to the base itself.
And so, this would have been within the perimeter of the base?
No, we're not talking about on the Malmstrom Air Force Base.
This is a launch control facility out away from the base, let's say.
It's the facility where the launch control center is located.
All right, and there must have been some sort of fence or some sort of something.
Yes, there was a perimeter fence.
Perimeter fence.
And so they were calling you from the base, or?
They were calling me from right above me, actually.
Oh, right above you?
Yes.
All right, so you're underground.
They've got some guys above you.
Right.
And they were seeing lights?
They were seeing some very strange lights.
And they didn't believe they were airplanes.
So he just wanted to report that.
I didn't pay much attention, although he sounded very serious.
It sounded like he was joking and all.
But we hung up and then about five or ten minutes later he called back.
At this time he was very frightened.
I could tell by his voice he was very frightened and agitated.
He said there was a UFO directly in front of the gate, the main gate of this facility
That would get your attention.
Yes.
It was hovering there.
It was glowing red.
He later told me it was somewhat disc-shaped, but he had a hard time getting a definite It was very frightening.
One of the guards either approaching it or trying to get away from it was injured and
had to be helicoptered out.
Injured in what way?
I'm having a difficult time remembering exactly what his injury was but it was relatively
a minor injury.
It was either a slight burn or a cut or something like that, but I guess it was serious enough that they had to get him back to the base hospital.
Do you know how he got that injury?
In other words, as a direct result of this object, or did he bump into something?
No.
It's kind of strange.
When we were relieved later that morning, I went up and talked to him.
The man that had been injured had already left and our helicopter was waiting for us to take us back because they wanted to debrief us right away.
I didn't have very much time to talk to this guard about any details of this injury.
Somebody was injured, the object was up there hovering and the guard that had called me had to hang up and tend to this man that had been injured.
So when he hung up, I woke up my commander.
I was the deputy and woke him up and started talking about these phone calls and all of a sudden our missiles started shutting down.
Your missiles started shutting down?
That's right.
In other words, they went no-go or off-alert and they could not be launched.
What does that mean?
Does that mean that the system has detected that there is some sort of malfunction in the missile or in the mechanism that would launch it?
Something faulty and so it begins an auto shutdown?
That's correct.
That's basically it.
There was some problem within the system so that the missile could not be properly launched.
And so the system warned us that the missile had gone off alert and not launchable.
And this happened to at least... My original recollection was that we lost just about all of them.
But I recently contacted my commander, the fellow that was in command, with me down there in the capsule.
He seemed to think we had lost five or so, and I seem to remember it was more than that, so we're both... It was somewhere between five and ten missiles that we lost that day.
Did they go offline simultaneously, one after the other, over what kind of period of time?
Yeah, a very short period of time.
They started shutting down sequentially.
Not numerically sequentially, but one right after another.
Wow.
How reliable, generally, are those missiles?
I mean, in the rest of the time that you were there, how frequently would a missile shut down?
That was a very, very unusual occurrence that any missile would shut down and go into a no-go condition for... other than a power loss.
And even in the power loss, we had automatic generators that At the launch facilities, it would pick up the power right away, and usually they'd come right back up.
But more than one going down was unheard of.
It just didn't happen.
I never had that happen before, since in the three years I was there.
So five going down, there's no way that was a coincidence?
No.
That was extremely improbable, unusual.
The system is designed so that A fault that affects one site does not infect another site, so to speak.
Sure.
They were not connected in that way.
No, that would make absolute sense.
Right.
Your commander, when this began to occur, what was his demeanor like?
Well, we were all shook up.
I mean, we were both shook up.
We were shocked.
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Robert Salas is my guest.
And I would imagine by now we've got your attention.
Do you remember reading about any of this in any newspapers back then?
Me either.
Interesting.
Stay right where you are.
We'll let the rest of this story unwind.
This is CBC.
All right.
Back now to Washington and Robert Salas.
Robert, are you there?
Yes.
All right.
So here are your missiles.
Five of your missiles were shuttled down.
At least.
And your commander was... I guess you guys are trained not to panic, right?
Well, we didn't really panic.
We went ahead and followed our procedures, which was to report the incident.
We asked that maintenance crews come out and get the missiles back up.
We also sent out a security team to the sites to check and see what was going on out there.
As a matter of fact, while one of our security teams was out at one of the launch sites, they also reported back seeing a UFO.
Now wait a minute, this was at another launch site?
Well, I'll get to that, but this was within our own launch complex.
Like I said, we dispatched a team, a security team, to go out to the sites.
And while one of them was out there, And we got a report back from them that they had observed a UFO over one of our launch facilities.
Now, again, soon after our missiles shut down, we received a call from another launch control facility, and this was Echo Flight.
I was in, I believe it was November flight.
But the Echo Flight crew called, or we called them, I don't remember which, but they told us that the same thing happened at their flight.
In other words, except they did lose all ten of their missiles.
Now, we've got this confirmed.
We've got this in writing from the Air Force under a Freedom of Information Act request that we processed.
We were able to retrieve what's called a unit history, which outlined the loss of ten missiles at Echo Flight.
Robert, who filed this?
A friend of mine.
A friend of yours?
Yes.
Wow.
Yeah.
This, I take it, never made Uh, headlines anywhere.
Of course, it would have made front-page headlines all over the country.
No, this was a classified incident.
It was classified for a long time.
As a matter of fact, it was only declassified when we requested information about a possibility of missiles shutting down.
We didn't even mention those.
In our request, we mentioned You know, to send us information about any times that they've had major shutdowns of these weapon systems.
In this 1967 time period, and this is what we got back, the Echo Flight incident was declassified.
In time, how close was the Echo Flight incident to what you experienced?
They both happened the same morning.
The same morning?
After this was all over, and you got to debriefing, what did they tell you?
In other words, did they say, look here, keep your mouth shut, or the equivalent thereof, or what did they say?
Yes, it was classified.
By the way, when we debriefed to our commander, he was just as shocked as we are.
We were at the incident.
So I know it was not an exercise of any kind.
We lost, to alert, at least 15 weapons.
And that would not have been an exercise.
I mean, we would not have deliberately been unable to launch 10 of our nuclear missiles Just for some exercise.
We were never briefed or debriefed, actually, on anything that happened after that regarding this incident.
But yes, it was classified.
So the great cone of silence descended after your debriefing?
Yes.
And you were told you simply could never talk about it?
Right.
The United States has always maintained That UFOs are no threat to national security.
Simple as that.
As a matter of fact, that's how they closed out Project Blue Book with that statement.
You know, whatever they are, they're not a threat to national security.
Right.
That was a lie.
That was a lie.
The Air Force made that statement in 1969, I believe.
As a matter of fact, I've got a copy of a letter or a statement that was made in that regard.
And even in 1991, we have a cover letter from the Air Force that says that is still the position of the Air Force, even in 1991.
Now, you've had a lot of time, obviously, since this occurred to reflect on this.
A UFO, 15 missiles shutting down, ICBMs.
Any thoughts on what the message was, if there was one?
Yes.
To me, the message seemed clear.
Basically, stay away from nuclear weapons, or at least try to get rid of your nuclear weapons.
That seemed to be the message.
Direct impact from these sightings.
They shut these missiles down and that was about it.
All right.
Well, I'm going to raise there on the back of your neck right now because in a similar time frame, about two years ago, 2020 ran a story on a Russian ICBM missile silo.
An incident in which a UFO hovered over that facility.
And put some of their missiles into launch mode.
It actually began to go into launch mode all by itself.
And after the incident, it did not, it ended up not launching.
The Russians had the whole, you know, all the consoles torn apart.
They tore apart the entire facility and never found anything that was wrong.
But this, this thing went into launch sequence.
Now, the time frame Yes, that is pretty frightening.
name was very similar and uh...
it's blood-curdling enough to think about our missiles shutting down
but it's even a little more worrisome to worry about our shutting down while
there's going to launch sequence yes that is pretty frightening
in addition i believe there were sightings in uh...
uh... south dakota i got a call around the same time period
i got a call ten minutes before the program tonight from a man in south
dakota who said you know he was worried that he couldn't talk
about this either He said in South Dakota, and I don't know exactly, I've never really personally seen a blast door, but he said they're gigantic and very heavy, they weigh tons, and he said one was missing.
Just simply came up missing, and that's absolutely impossible.
It's not something you throw into the back of a pickup and haul away.
Right.
But there's also a missile base in South Dakota, and my understanding is that there were sightings similar to ours, although I have not heard of an incident such as ours occurring there.
Have you corresponded with your commander at the time or anybody else?
Yes, I've corresponded with my commander at the time and also the commander and the deputy commander of the Echo Flight.
What are their reflections about it?
Do they feel about the way you do?
I think one of them does feel the same way I do about getting this out there in the public
and making an appeal to the Air Force to come clean on this thing.
The others I think were career Air Force people and may be a little shy about talking about it, but they weren't shy with me and we discussed all of these things.
And all of what I'm telling you really is a composite of what we all agreed occurred on that day.
Well, this is something the American people certainly should know about.
We still have missiles.
They are aimed, I don't know where, maybe in the water temporarily or something, but the fact of the matter is we still have them.
And so do the Russians.
And I think that until they're all destroyed, and that day may never come, we will always have this hanging over us, maybe to a lesser degree, but it'll always be hanging over us, and that something like this could happen.
Well, you know what?
I understand, frankly, That they would not have told the American people about this.
How do you feel about that?
At least at the time.
How did I feel at the time, or how do I feel now?
Well, now.
In other words, when you look back at the moment that it occurred, would you have seen that information released to the public?
And if it had been, what do you think the reaction would have been?
Well...
I certainly didn't quite understand when we were told not to even discuss this with our spouses.
Why?
I mean, this was just what we were told when we went out and followed orders.
We hardly even talked about it among ourselves.
Well, the public's reaction aside, Robert, imagine that our people, our national security people, our military, our Pentagon, Would not exactly like the Russians to know that our missiles were getting shut down.
No.
So I can understand why they would not make it public.
Right.
Now, a lot of years have gone by.
But you've got to wonder if that sort of thing is still going on today.
Right.
Well, the point is, The point is the public needs to be involved in the debate as to what we ought to do about this.
In other words, if we have been visited by these objects from this planet, the public ought to be able to enter into the debate as to exactly what we ought to do about it.
It should not be in the hands of A small group of military intelligentsia or whoever has this information and they can do pretty much what they want about it, whatever it is.
If this is a threat to all of us, we ought to know about it and be able to debate it and talk about it.
I could not agree more.
I could not agree more.
Certainly, we ought to have a public debate.
At least we ought to know if they really are visiting us.
I would like to know.
I'm sure a lot of other people out there would like to know.
And if they have the ability to, in effect, shut down our ICBMs, to convey a message that you ought not be doing this sort of thing, if that's what the message was, Then, yes, the public ought to know about it, and they ought to be able to chew it over a little bit and see what they decide.
What are you going to do?
You've done an interview with Linda, now you've done one with me.
How are you going to proceed in trying to get this public?
Well, I've also done one with sightings.
Sightings?
Yeah, that should be aired.
Probably around the first part of next year.
So we're out ahead of sightings, good.
Listen, the documents that you got back from the Freedom of Information request that you made, are those available?
Well, I've got the documents.
I could send you a copy.
I would appreciate that.
Because a lot of people are going to want to see it.
Put it up on the web.
Let everybody take a look.
That would be one good way to proceed.
In other words, that is good documentary evidence that this occurred.
Let me read you just one part of the document that I received.
This is the only mention of UFOs.
It says, Rumors of unidentified flying objects around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven.
A mobile strike team which had checked all November flights, LFs, on the morning of 16 March were questioned and stated that no unusual activity or sightings were observed.
Really?
Yeah, this is the, just one paragraph, the only paragraph that mentions anything about UFOs in this unit history.
Well, how do you account for that?
In other words, people did see them.
Absolutely.
And so this is Just a plain indication that the Air Force was covering this whole thing up.
Even in this document, it was classified.
And even in this classified document, they were covering up the fact that many, many airmen saw these UFOs.
And these UFOs were reported to us, officers in the capsules.
And we reported them to our commanders, and at no time were Were our stories disproven in any way?
What else can I say?
Another avenue of underlining what you've said here would be to get some of the others to come forward.
Yes, and I'd like to make an appeal to anybody that's listening that might have been present and saw these UFOs during this time period.
During this incident, if they could contact me or through you, I'd really like to hear from them.
All right.
What about your commander and some of the others at Echo Flight, for example?
Have you spoken with them?
Are they willing to come forward?
Well, I'm going to leave that up to them.
I gave that information on how to contact them to Linda.
I'll just leave it up to them if they want to come forward on this or not.
So Linda's going to go ahead and contact them and see if they wish to?
I assume she is.
Can you imagine that this is still going on?
In other words, do you think this was just an isolated incident?
Or in your imagination, do you imagine this has gone on for years?
Frankly, I think it has gone on for years.
As a matter of fact, even around the Malmstrom or Great Falls area, there have been quite a few sightings.
Even after hours, I think in 1975, there was another flap of sightings.
So, yes, I think this has happened since our incident.
All right.
One thing I never asked you was the technical follow-up.
In other words, I'm sure after this incident, They did, as the Russians did, and probably ripped things apart looking for what could be wrong.
Yes.
What did they find?
They found nothing.
They could not determine a definitive cause for these shutdowns.
I talked to a couple of the Boeing engineers that did investigate this incident.
They told me they did all kinds of electrical checks and tests and electromagnetic tests.
They checked out the guides and control computers at the launch control facilities.
Anything that might have had an impact in shutting these things down in terms of connectivity,
they checked out and they could not determine a definitive cause.
As far as they're concerned, and they were the ones that were investigating this thing,
They were at least part of the team that was investigating this.
They could not determine a cause.
Well, anyway, the bottom line is clearly there was, or is, a threat to national security from UFOs, and it's time that we got the truth.
Yes, it is.
I agree.
All right.
Robert, I really, really want to thank you for coming on.
I appreciate it.
I'm glad we were able to tell the story, and if you could send me a copy of that Freedom of Information response, I will definitely get it up on the website for all to see.
Very good.
All right, my friend, thank you.
You're welcome.
And good night.
That's Robert Salas, and you just heard a man who lived down in the command launch center near Malster and had at least five of his intercontinental ballistic missiles shut down by an object that hovered right over the facility.
And then another at least 10 missiles, or all the missiles, at what was called E-flight.
Now that is quite a remarkable revelation when you sit and think about it.
Not a threat to national security, huh?
My foot.
Stay tuned for more of the Best of Art Bell right after a word from your local sponsors.
Once again here I am and we are going to do a follow-up to what we just did.
Now, for the last hour, for those of you that have missed it, uh, we have talked with Robert Salas, up in the, uh, Seattle area, who, many years ago, on, actually, uh, I believe it was, uh, March 16th, 1967, was sitting down in a launch control facility, for a Minuteman site, near Malstrom.
A UFO hovered over that launch facility and began shutting down intercontinental ballistic missiles, at least five, where my guest was.
He was an officer there.
Typical sidearm, that sort of thing.
Shut down five of our ICBMs.
Then, another UFO, apparently, or the same one, who knows, in roughly the same time period, hovered over Echo Flight.
Another launch facility, and shut down all of their missiles.
All of them.
Ten ICBMs.
Shut down.
Now, in a moment, I've received a fax from a man, we'll let him give his name to you if he so desires, who works for Boeing, for the Material Improvement Project.
Whatever that is, I guess we're going to find out here shortly.
And he was responsible for dispatching the team to Echo Company to check all of this out.
And so, in a moment, that gentleman.
Now, to, um, again, the Seattle area, which happens to be where Boeing is, and it happens to be where my present guest is, um, can we give your name?
Uh, certainly.
Alright, it's Bob Kaminski, right?
That's correct.
That's K-A-M-I-N-S-K-I?
Yes, correct.
Alright, Bob, very good.
Do you presently work for Boeing?
No, I am retired now.
Retired?
But that did happen back in the mid-60s.
It did, huh?
Yes, it did.
And what were you told, or what were you doing, where were you working when it occurred?
Well, it was my job to be one of the interface engineers with the Ogden Air Materiel Command of the Air Force, and we took engineering problems that they would have with the Minimat sites.
And then we would do investigations, do engineering, whatever is required to help them out of a particular problem they might have been having.
In other words, you were the techno-geeks.
Right.
Right.
Alright.
How frequently, Bob, did you guys get a call saying, 10 ICBMs just shut down with a UFO hovering over them?
Art, to my knowledge, that happened only once.
To us.
Now, it happened other places, according to what Bob Sullivan is saying, but the only project that I know that I was handed was one of them, and it was on Echo Flight, because it was the one that had ten missiles go down.
What are the odds of ten missiles?
Impossible.
Impossible?
It's absolutely impossible, even if the power leading to the sites go down.
These sites are so complex in their design and electronics, And they're so duplicated in circuitry and intertied to other sites and other launch control facilities, it's virtually impossible to shut down 10 sites.
That's what I would think.
Alright, so you were responsible then for dispatching a team to Echo Company to go and find out what the hell happened?
Exactly.
At the time I was handed it, I was not told that there was UFO involvement.
I was just told, hey, we have a strange occurrence.
Ten missiles went down.
It's your job to organize a team and send them out there immediately and have them investigate, crawl over the place, look at everything, check out every possibility, and come back and write a report.
Well, we sent out glaciologists, we sent out engineers, electronics people, technicians.
We sent them out there to check everything out.
And?
They found nothing.
The only thing they could find that would even come close to explaining any kind of an abnormality was the power line leading into one of the transformers and the commercial line outside of the site.
It wasn't even inside the site.
Right.
And they found that there was a transformer that was slowly degrading and they thought it might be setting up some kind of a spike or something.
Yeah, right.
Several of them, of course.
When they came back, we had our meetings and I asked them, what happened?
And the total amount of information was zero.
Zero.
We had no explanation.
Then, Art, mysteriously, I got a call from our representative, the Boeing representative, who I worked with through the Ogden Air Materials area down in Ogden.
And that's where he was stationed.
He was the one that sent the projects up and told us what to do.
Right.
He called me and says, Bob, stop everything you're doing.
I says, stop everything?
What do you mean?
He says, just stop it.
I said, just don't do any more.
I says, well, do we have to submit a final report?
He says, no, no final report.
Now, this is very strange because every time you spend government money on an engineering report, you have to send in a report of what you did.
You bet.
And in this case, they said stop.
No report.
They said stop.
Do not submit a final report.
And then he told me, this is under the table.
It's been rumored that there was a UFO over the launch control facility that knocked out those 10 birds.
Holy smokes.
And with that, we were just put on hold and put on stop.
Now, I cover this art in a book I just released two months ago.
This particular incident in the midst of a whole bunch of things.
I sent you a copy.
It's called Lying Wonders.
Lying Wonders?
Lying Wonders, yeah.
It has a Christian flavor to it, but I go into a lot of things, and I mention this report because I actually was involved in it.
Well, you know, it sounds, Bob, as though you ought to talk to Robert Solis.
It does, indeed.
And I can arrange that.
I can arrange that for you.
Okay, good.
So, what I would like to do, if there's anything else you can think of that we ought to know, I guess I could ask you the same question I asked Robert.
This is such an incredible revelation.
If the public had been told at the time, or let me redo that, why do you think at the time this was slam-shot classified, public wasn't told, and why do you think it's getting out now?
Well, first of all, I think people are beginning to get a little bolder now, and it's been past several years that I think it'd be classified.
That's the first thing.
But secondly, I think originally why it wasn't is people were afraid to talk about it because of scorn and laughter.
And behind the scenes, there may have been another layer of governmental management pulling the string.
Well, I'm not laughing.
There's nothing funny at all.
Well, no, not today.
Everything's coming out today.
But years ago, people just wouldn't talk about it.
They just made fun about it.
But no, I actually went through this, and I didn't go out to the site myself, but I was responsible for sending the team out.
I understand.
All right, I want to put you on hold because I want to get you together with Robert Solis, all right?
Okay, sure.
All right, putting you on hold.
Stay right there.
Can you imagine that, folks?
A total of 15 intercontinental ballistic missiles shutting down.
With objects hovering above them.
What do you think the message might be?
And if you put that together with the 2020 piece, a couple of years ago, and I'll never, ever forget it, with a UFO hovering above a similar Russian facility, only there, they went into launch sequence.
Somewhere there, there is a message.
Alright, briefly, let me recap some of the stuff available on the internet right now.
A lot of it very new.
Strange Universe did indeed run a short piece on me tonight.
It had to do with Hale-Bopp and Hale-Bopp's alleged companion.
Now, I don't want to tell you who's been calling me, and I can't tonight, but I can tell you that there is some very heavy stuff about to come down with respect to Chuck Schrammich's sighting and Professor Courtney Brown and others and I cannot mention them tonight but as this week progresses you're going to begin to hear some really amazing things and I'm gonna have to leave it at that for now.
On the website presently is the appearance on Strange Universe You can jump over to their page from our page.
Find out when it's going to be in your area.
Otherwise, consult a TV guide and you'll catch me on TV tomorrow.
It really was a very nice piece.
I got to see it already.
Very nice piece.
Very enjoyable.
I think you'll enjoy it.
If you enjoy the show, you'll enjoy watching that.
Crystal Gale.
I went to see Crystal Gale Saturday night and I want to thank Anne and the whole crew back in Nashville.
It was a wonderful experience.
Crystal Gale is a beautiful woman.
You know her to be.
Every bit, believe me, inside and out.
Somebody sent me a fax and said, how long is her hair?
And the answer is, about as long as she is.
Just about drags the floor, actually.
That's very long hair.
And I don't frequently smile in photographs, but you will see me on the web page with Crystal Gale, and you'll see a big smile on my face for good Obvious reason.
So that photograph is up there.
The Whitley Strieber photograph is up there.
And, uh, Whitley sent this to me, very excited, said, Art, it's the real thing.
You be the judge.
It's on my web page now.
Take a look.
The MJ-12 badge that I absconded with from Dark Skies, or a photograph of it, scan of it, is up there.
And there are now a couple of other photographs up there.
These are photographs of the day we did the shoot.
Now, these are my photographs, not those of Dark Skies.
I await Dark Skies to send me the, you know, the promo photos that I'm sure they're going to have.
In the meantime, these are some that my wife took.
And I think you'll see myself, General Twining, the man who played General Twining in Univore, and the man who played Hubert Humphrey.
And, uh, you will see a couple of photographs, uh, of the day we did the Dark Skies shoot up there, as well.
So, that is there.
And, of course, Dark Skies, the appearance coming up on, uh, December 14th.
That's a Saturday night on NBC.
So, that's kind of a catch-up on what's available on the webpage right now, and you might catch me tomorrow night if you get a chance on Strange Universe.
In the meantime... O.J.
Simpson, uh, spent the second day on the sand.
He ended his second grueling day on the witness stand in his civil trial Monday, fending off a barrage of accusations that he murdered his ex-wife and her friend, admitting that he had contemplated suicide.
Daniel Petricelli, the lead attorney for the plaintiffs, contended that Simpson was planning to kill himself during the infamous Bronco Freeway chase, quote, because you knew you were going to spend the rest of your life in jail, end quote.
That's incorrect, replied Simpson, though he did admit he was contemplating killing himself.
Earlier, Simpson testified he could not explain the blood found inside his Ford Bronco and at his estate, or account for some of the cuts on his hand after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.
Petrocelli also attacked Simpson's alibi, accused him of failing a lie detector test.
A federal judge has ordered accused CIA double agent Harold Nicholson held in jail pending trial on charges of conspiracy to spy for Russia.
Despite testimonials from his mother, sister, brother, and a childhood friend, the judge denied a request for the one-time CIA station chief for bail.
So he's not going to get out, and I would agree he certainly should not get out.
The Space Shuttle Columbia used its long robotic arm to pluck a prototype satellite factory from space Monday night as a second satellite orbited nearby.
The satellite retrieval occurred at 9.01 p.m.
Eastern Time and came three hours earlier than originally scheduled.
The co-pilot of the Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed near the Camaro Islands was unable to identify two detained men as suspected hijackers.
The hijacked airplane ditched in the sea, as you must know now, off the Idyllic Holiday Islands Saturday after it ran out of fuel about 500 yards from the beach.
We are having too many Accidents.
Airline accidents.
I just don't understand.
Maybe you do.
Winter weather causing havoc in Texas, other parts of the US, in Dallas and surrounding areas.
Dozens of accidents reported as commuters tried to go to work after snow and freezing rain created very hazardous driving conditions from Austin north all the way to the Oklahoma border.
This is indeed a very, very Strange and severe winter and it is only just begun.
So there you have it.
We're going to discuss any number of other things but that'll do it for now.
I wonder how you feel about what you heard with regard to our missiles near Maelstrom.
That's an absolutely incredible story And, uh, I wonder what you think the message was.
Why would they simply shut down our missiles?
Uh, was the message that, uh, this kind of stuff has gotta stop?
Was the message that, look here, you are not as much in control as you think you were, or are?
Was the message one little slip and the world is done for?
That's it?
Was the message, now you better begin talking to the other side, you better begin eliminating these weapons, or else... What do you think the message was?
Why do you think they would have done such a thing?
Moreover, not being precisely certain of the date that the incident occurred in Russia, I can imagine that they were fairly close, and while it's bad enough to think about our missiles shutting down, It's even worse to contemplate Russian missiles beginning to light up and going into launch sequence at the same moment.
Isn't it?
All right, we're gonna pause here at the bottom of the hour.
When we come back, it'll be open lines throughout the nighttime.
We've got some interviews planned for later in the week, and I'll tell you about those.
Vince DiPietro, for one, on Friday night, Saturday morning.
And I'll fill you in on the rest.
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