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Aug. 29, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Art Bell - Best of Open Lines (Mel's Hole, Area 51 Pilot, Bugs, Robert Salas and more)

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unidentified		Tonight for your Labor Day weekend entertainment, the absolute, and we do mean absolute best of Art Bell.
		We raided our archives for some definitive Art Bell gems and came up with one heck of a show.
		Even We Can't Believe It.
		Coming up this hour, we start off with a doozy from February 21st of this year.
		It's Mel's Hole, the fascinating story of the man from Washington State and the bottomless hole he found in his backyard.
		Stay tuned for hour number two when we treat you to a replay of the Jimmy Joe call from the airspace over Area 51, an absolute classic.
		Art Bell returns to coast to coast this Monday night, Tuesday morning, and now the absolute best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		I have got Mel on the line.
		No thanks to all the Mel imitators on the special Mel line.
		I finally picked up the phone during the newscast and called Mel's number, and he was just coming in.
		So I've got Mel on the line.
		Mel's the guy with the never-ending hole, and we're going to ask him about it here in a moment.
		I have read that fax now twice on the air, and I've got a lot of follow-up faxes.
		Here's one entitled Yet Another Mystery Hole in Eastern Washington.
		Art, you'll love this.
		It was sent to me a couple days ago by email.
		And it's all about another one on the Indian Reservation in Colville, where there is another mystery hole.
		Anyway, we'll get to that.
		Now to Eastern Washington.
		I guess this is Eastern Washington.
		Mel, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, Mel, thank you for answering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing up at this time of the morning?
unidentified		Well, after I sent the facts, I'm living in town here now because we had a couple of our buildings out there cave in after the big snows that we had out here last month.
		Oh, yes.
		And so thereby goes some of the construction debris into the hole.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you discover this hole?
unidentified		Well, the hole has always been there.
		We've been out there for a couple of years now.
		And, you know, the hole has been there since we've been there.
		It's been there since the previous owner was there.
		And the previous owner there was quite elderly.
		And I'd say he was there for a good 30, 40 years before we moved in.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there's been a thing of throwing stuff down this hole for a long time.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		It's been going on, you know, for as long as the hole has been there, I assume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When nobody knows that, I guess.
		All right.
		How do you pronounce the name of your town, Manastash?
unidentified		Oh, Monastash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Monastash.
		That's right.
		Thank you.
unidentified		And actually, I'm in right now I'm in a little town called Ellensburg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know Ellensburg, alright?
unidentified		Ah, you must know about a rodeo here then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, so, yeah, we've been there for several years.
		You know, we just take all, you know, we take all of our trash, rubbish, anything we have that we have to get rid of.
		We take it, throw it in the hole.
		Everyone's throwing their stuff in the hole.
		The people from around there throw all the stuff in the hole.
		I mean, it's just been going on for a long time.
		Well, you know, I got this thinking one day, how come this hole is not filling up?
		It must be an awfully deep hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good thing to consider, sure, as you throw stuff in it for decades, literally.
unidentified		And so, you know, I used to be a, well, I would say pretty close to a professional shark fisherman.
		So I had a couple of huge fishing reels, went out there and started letting the line down.
		I figure after one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you weight the line?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		In fact, the original line is still down there.
		I've just been adding to the line and keeping track of how much line I have used.
		So I've not reeled it in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much weight is on it?
unidentified		There's a one-pound weight at the bottom of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One-pound weight, okay?
unidentified		One-pound weight.
		It's a triangular one-pound weight.
		Okay.
		And so that's at the bottom of it.
		At first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it would go down kind of like a plum bob.
unidentified		Exactly, exactly.
		In fact, I have it rigged across the center of it there, and it goes straight down from the center there.
		And occasionally, I try to move the line there, but when you're moving that much line, you really can't do a whole lot with it.
		But it seems to, you know, there seems to be, it's not resting against anything at this point here, and it continues to go down freely.
		And so when I was out there earlier, I let out a little bit more line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you actually went out there tonight after I read this.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		Well, you know, it's not too bad out here right now.
unidentified		It's only about 25 degrees, so it's not too cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard anything coming from any sounds or anything?
unidentified		Well, you know, I mean, the normal thing to do is kind of like yell into it there, you know, to see an echo.
		And I've never heard an echo come out of that thing at all.
		You know, that's one of the first things I noticed about it.
		As usual, I brought the dogs with me.
		They wouldn't go anywhere near the damn thing, and I went back to the suburban and hung out over there.
		So it was kind of I can't, you know, if I try to bring them there on a leash, they'll just dig their feet, and they do not want to go anywhere near the hole.
		And so that's, I don't know.
		Well, you've got miles and miles of Yeah, I think well I'm going I'm I'm measuring it by feet.
		You know, I convert feet to yards, so I don't know how many miles that is.
		I assume that's it's a fair number of miles, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, 5,280 feet is a mile, so you really think you've got 80,000?
unidentified		Yes, yeah, I get line in 5,000 yard spools.
unidentified		And so I've gone through that many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have got a hole then that goes, you know, you can't say to the center of the earth, but you've got a hole that goes miles and miles and miles into the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think a university would be out there, boom, just like that.
unidentified		Well, my wife does work for a local university here, and, you know, we've been talking to them about it.
unidentified		And one of the things is they find it quite incredible That I've let that much line into the ground, but that's what I've been doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever thought of winding it all back up again?
unidentified		Well, when I let out the first 1,500 yards of line, I reeled all of that back in.
		And I wanted to know if I had hit water down there.
		Because I thought, that's a lot of feet.
		You bet.
		You know, that's 4,500 feet of line.
		Did I hit water?
		So what I did is I sent down a roll of lifesavers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Life savers?
unidentified		Yeah, so when it hits the water, the lifesavers will dissolve.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So very smart.
unidentified		So that's an old shark fisherman's trick there.
unidentified		We used to send our bait out on a balloon attached to a roll of lifesavers, and the bait would go out into the ocean on the tide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And then eventually the lifesavers would melt, and the bait would fall to the bottom.
unidentified		You couldn't cast a big old mackerel out there that far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
unidentified		So, what do you...
		I don't.
		I have no idea.
		I thought it could have been a mine shaft, but the thing about it is the surface part of it's been very well cared for.
		I mean, someone built a very lovely wall around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Tell me about the nature of the side of the walls.
		In other words, you must be able to look down far enough at least to examine the side of the wall.
		Sure.
unidentified		It's stone for about 15 feet down.
		And then after that, it's soil, dirt, and then further down rock.
		But I can only see to the extent of a really powerful flashlight.
		I brought halogen lights out there to try to get a better look down there, but the visibility really isn't there.
		You cannot see much after a while.
		But it's a retaining wall.
		I'd say it's about a three and a half foot retaining wall, and it goes down about 15 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you this much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No matter how powerful a light, and I was even thinking about a laser, when you're talking about 80,000 feet, forget it.
unidentified		No, they should have some technology that can give me an idea of how deep this thing is.
		I mean, obviously, the old fishing line method is only going to go so far.
		What we need here is a volunteer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real, I'm serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody who would be willing to be lowered into this hole.
unidentified		Well, to be honest with you, I don't even know if there's any air down that far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't know about that either.
unidentified		Or what kind of pressures we're dealing with.
unidentified		These are things that are totally beyond my grasp in terms of knowledge about these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you own this property?
unidentified		It's our property, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been working on this?
unidentified		Well, we've been out there for a couple years, about four years now, but this project here with Letting Down a Line, that's only been since last summer here.
unidentified		And it was just, you know, I said, well, how come this thing isn't filling up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
unidentified		And, you know, I made, you know, I talked to the neighbors around there, you know, which are, you know, on, on, you know, when you're out there in the country, your neighbors are pretty far away, but they all know the hole out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They all know about it.
unidentified		Well, yeah, because they all bring their trash out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the local legend of the hole.
unidentified		Yeah, this could be an apocryphal story, but one guy claims that he threw his departed canine down into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		And he swears, well, the story is the guy that did it swears the dog actually came back to him.
		And he was a hunting.
		Really?
		He was a hunt.
		The story is that he was a hunter, and he was out there hunting, and he saw the same dog.
		He had the same collar.
		He had the same little metal thing on his collar there.
		And he said it was the same dog.
		And he says he knew he threw the dog into the hole.
		And that's not, you know, that's not my dog.
		That's not my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not your story, but it's a story of a resurrected dog.
unidentified		Yeah.
		This is, you know, as you can well imagine, this is all Native American land around here.
		And one of the lines of inquiries I'd like to make is, you know, is there anything about this hole in regards to the Native Americans?
		You know, that's something I haven't really pursued right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had a fatal disease, Mel, would you jump in the hole?
unidentified		I would.
		You would?
		Actually, if it is in my will, should I meet my demise disposed of into the well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure the health department would allow that.
unidentified		Well, you know, one of the things that we, you know, I thought about later on is what if this is like contaminating our water, you know?
		And, you know, we've had, you know, I'm sure you do this out there in Perump too.
		You have your water checked all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, no personal offense to you, Mel, but if there was a possible contamination problem, I'm sure you're a clean guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, as you deteriorated, you would possibly produce E. coli or something horrible in the local water supply.
unidentified		Well, again, so far it hasn't rained.
		I mean, the water around that area is absolutely pure water.
		It is, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so nothing thrown down, all the old junk and trash and nothing has polluted the water?
unidentified		No, I mean, you know, I can't speak for everything that's been thrown down there, but none of that has been showing up in the water that people draw from their wells.
		I mean, you know, the water is as clean as it's ever been out there.
		I think we get water that comes off the cascades or something.
		It's really wonderful water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mel, you wouldn't be pulling my leg.
unidentified		No, I'm not.
		And I'm one of the reasons that I went out to the property tonight, other than it's just, you know, it's something that weighs heavily on my mind.
		I was afraid that after I sent the facts out, that there would be people around there because it's well there may be, but we have not identified specifically where it is.
		Well, there aren't, as far as I could tell, too many big holes like that around.
		And so at least the people in my neck of the woods are familiar with it.
		And, you know, I kind of almost expected to see a small party of people looking at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there may be.
		Now, I mean, you know, come daylight there may be.
		But remember, folks, this is private property.
		This is Melissa.
unidentified		It is posted, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, there you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So without knowing exactly where it is, I wouldn't look for that to occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there is going to be substantial curiosity about it down Mill.
unidentified		Well, you know, I think I've, you know, let you know as much as I know about it, I certainly want to find out more.
		I was mostly curious about the depth of it.
		I mean, how deep is the deepest hole anyone has ever found?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never heard of anything deeper than this.
unidentified		You know, I thought maybe this would be like Guinness World's Book of Records type hole here.
unidentified		And as far as things I thought it would be like, could have been like an old mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now here's a couple things to think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard as you go down into the earth melt that it gets hotter.
unidentified		Ooh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		So you would think that your fishing line with a weight on it at some point would melt or something.
		But there's still weight on it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		The line is not moving freely.
		I mean, you know, it still falls under its own weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's let some of the audience ask you questions.
unidentified		Okay, I think I can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, because I just might be missing something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel, who's got the hole in Washington.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any questions for Mel?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I guess that guy gave up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Oh, you got a guest now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, sort of.
unidentified		Oh, well, I was calling about something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Mel.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Mel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mel.
unidentified		Oh, oh.
		Mel, Mel, Mel.
		I wanted to talk to Art.
		I'm on the wrong line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you are.
unidentified		I'm sorry, that's the 222 line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1222 is first-time caller line.
unidentified		That's what I thought I was calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what you got.
		But I mean, we're talking with Mel right now.
		I'm trying to, he's the guy with the hole in eastern Washington.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay.
		I just have something for Art.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be back when we're into open lines.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Mel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave in Milwaukee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		Hey, I was listening to this.
unidentified		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
unidentified		I just wanted to let you know, I looked up in the encyclopedia, and the Marianas Trench, which is the deepest hole we know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's in the ocean, right?
unidentified		Right, it's 36,000 feet deep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this is...
unidentified		Right.
		And it also says, undermining, that with current technology, we can only go down about 1,600 feet.
		Wow, wow.
		That's great.
		That is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got something here that already qualifies for Guinness.
unidentified		That is wonderful.
		Oh, gosh, I like that.
		That's great.
		Did you set 1,600 feet?
		That's what they said, yeah.
		1,640 feet, it says, with current technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Thank you very much for that information.
		So already, we now learn that you may have a Guinness qualifying hole there, no question about it.
		But I want to know, I, inquiring minds, want to know, I would think even if we just had somebody lowered past the 1,600 foot mark to see what's down there.
unidentified		That would be cool, but it wouldn't be me.
		You wouldn't do it.
		I wouldn't go down a hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least not while you're still alive.
unidentified		No, no, yeah, then I will, you know, but I mean, you know, for the time being, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with me.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		What if the rope broke?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
unidentified		Mel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mel, and I. Where are you calling from, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Austin, Texas, sorry.
unidentified		Yeah, you mentioned earlier that you would like somebody to be lowered down into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I would be willing to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, there you go, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A volunteer.
unidentified		We've got to.
		I mean, obviously, under certain conditions.
		Like what?
		Just a cage, for one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A cage?
unidentified		Yeah, just in the event that there's some kind of weird subterranean thing eating all of this garbage down there.
unidentified		Obviously, I would want to be in some kind of a cage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what makes you think, though, that anything that could gobble up, say, a refrigerator wouldn't hit the cage?
unidentified		Well, I would have, obviously, a very powerful light, and I'd be able to see it at some point before it's too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we'd have a radio contact with you, and we could hear you scream, at least.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		Not too much.
		Or an instant up button.
		An up button?
		An instant up button.
		On back up.
		You know, at like a high speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you could take a camera with you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the light and show us everything as it is.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I've got a pretty adventurous nature to me anyway.
		So this, plus I have a very appealing draw to the supernatural for some reason, anyway, just naturally, in my personality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nobody's saying there's anything supernatural about this, but.
unidentified		Well, the dog story would indicate something supernatural.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
unidentified		Well, everyone's dogs are scared of the hole.
		Yeah.
		It's not just my dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another one, other dogs won't go anywhere near the hole, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, my dogs will follow me everywhere.
		I mean, you know, no matter where I go, they're, you know.
		Except to the well.
		Uh-huh.
		Is this possibly at a grid point on the planet?
		I wouldn't know about grid points other than I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
		Yes, thank you, sir, from Austin.
		I've heard about grid points, but I would have no way of knowing where they are and whether this is one of them.
		I wouldn't know.
		Now, this is just a hole.
		And he's right.
		There is something a little paranormal about it when you consider the dog story.
		I tell you, Mel, hold on, all right?
		Stand by.
		We'll be right back to you.
unidentified		I can hear your concerns about my happiness.
		But all that thought you're giving me is conscience, I guess.
		If I were walking in your shoes, I would be swearing.
		Are you no friends who weren't about me?
		I'm having lots of fun.
		Counting flowers on the wall that don't bother me at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is CBC.
unidentified		Playing Salvatore Don with the deck of 51.
		Smoking cigarettes and watching captains pain the room.
		Come tell me, I've nothing to do.
		This is an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		You're listening to a compilation of definitive Art Bell.
		Art returns to the studio live this Monday night, Tuesday morning.
		The studio live this Monday night, Tuesday morning.
		And now, the absolute best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Mel, here come some more people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Mel with the hole.
unidentified		Art, why don't you have somebody, I know you're connected with somebody that's got radar available.
unidentified		Radar would be the way to go to find out the depth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, would radar go down a hole without hitting the side?
unidentified		I need a fancy radar to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a...
unidentified		Oh, sonar you couldn't use because you don't have anything for the medium to go through, like underwater for sonar.
		Yeah.
		But radar would definitely work.
		I'm just curious if you'd call a government agency to come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But wouldn't radar return a hit from the sides of the hole and bounce around out?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		Early directional radar.
		Whether you use one of your driving down the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you use radar, but that's that's out in the open.
		That's not in.
		I don't know enough about radar to know if that would work, but it's a good idea.
unidentified		Well, I've used it for years, but that's a way to try it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about a cop's radar?
unidentified		I'm not sure if they'll return an echo off of that.
		It's possible.
		All right, all right.
		It would tell you how fast the hole was going, wouldn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell you how fast.
		Cute, Mel.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Mel.
unidentified		Hello.
		This is pretty funny.
		Good evening, Mel.
		Hi.
		My name is Barry.
		I'm just hopskipping a jump away from you down here in Yakima.
		All right.
		I'm awful surprised.
		I haven't heard of this before now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, Mel hasn't made this public as far as I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you, Mel?
unidentified		Oh, it's just on my land.
		Some of the neighbors know about it.
		Wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the first public announcement of the whole?
unidentified		As far as I know, there's no newspaper accounts of it.
unidentified		You know, not in the Daily Record or in the Harold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will be now.
unidentified		Well, as usual, you've heard your first folks on our bill.
		Before I get serious, I just wanted to kind of lighten things up here and ask if you'd considered making a contract with the Refuse Collection Department from Yakima County.
		You could probably make a ceiling on that.
		You know, I read an article in the paper how they wanted to close down our local dump out here, and I almost seriously suggested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's another possibility for you.
		Do you know that I live near an area where there's supposed to be a high-level nuclear dump?
		Now, if this is really, in effect, a bottomless pit, you may have something that the U.S. government wants.
unidentified		So I could, like, rent this thing out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're damn right.
unidentified		And move away as quick as possible.
		Anyways, I wanted to mention here, we've got many, many mediums of technology, and the gentleman who suggested radar, I think, was onto something.
		You know, say, for instance, that Guinness came out and was going to, you know, they're pretty thorough with their investigation before they're going to print you.
		But anyways, maybe the way to go is to have someone lower in a sensor's package, you know, which is something that measures for noxious gases, temperature, and I'm sure they could focus a radar, you know, probably pencil thin, you know, and just hook it up to an endless supply of cable and lower it down.
		That'd be awful interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'd be interested, even if we don't get a hold of the guy from Austin, to lower a camera and a light down.
unidentified		You know, when I was out there this evening, it's kind of a full moon out there.
unidentified		And one of the things that occurred to me is maybe this has some sort of astronomical type thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, though?
unidentified		Well, you know, it's like, you know, how the various pyramids and things in Egypt, you know, are supposed to be lined up on various star systems or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, was it a thing like where the moonlight was shining into the hole?
unidentified		Well, no, but I just happened to notice the full moon and all of a sudden to sort of put two and two together there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've never felt drawn to the hole personally, have you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in terms of, you know.
unidentified		You mean in terms of some sort of spiritual involvement or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, suicide, Bill.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		I mean, I keep the lid on it there because it's an attractive nuisance.
		You wouldn't want local kids there climbing on the wall and falling in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's actually no way of knowing whether people have gone in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they'd be gone.
unidentified		Not in my...
		with a refrigerator the only you know it again if i can find out something from the local uh...
		native americans on you know maybe with some sort of burial thing or uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know i mean You never hear a splash.
unidentified		I've even taken like old television tubes, you know, the picture tubes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've dropped picture tubes down there?
unidentified		I've dropped pictures.
unidentified		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		EPA.
		You probably shouldn't say that on the air.
		They'll come and get you for that.
		I mean, TV tubes.
unidentified		Well, it is mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's your own property, I know, but these days, Mel, doesn't make any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, tomorrow morning, you'll have to wake up and there'll be tanks in Boutris Golly away.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
unidentified		Hi, W.K. Y, Sarasota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarasota, Florida.
unidentified		Let me say, let's throw Mike from Las Vegas down the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay, you know, he's the cat.
		Okay.
		I do have a question for Mel.
		You're a fisherman, right?
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		Have you ever felt a tug on the lion?
		If you did, what would you do?
		I don't have a hook on it.
		There's just a large, there's a one-pound weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but she's saying if something obviously was pulling on the lion.
unidentified		What would I do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd run.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd seal that damn thing up and I'd never get near it again.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd put the lid down on it at that point there and say, that's it.
		The dump is closed.
		And at any point, did you ever pull up the weight and look at it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I asked that too.
unidentified		Yeah, the first series of letting down line, oh, I got about 4,500 feet down there.
		I had a roll of lifesavers down on the bottom to determine if there was any water down there.
		And of course, if there was water, the lifesavers would melt.
		And I didn't do that.
		But since that time, I've let the line continuously go down.
		I've just spliced on to the end of the line and continued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm just trying to find out where the bottom is.
unidentified		Yeah, that was my main question.
		It's like, how deep is this thing?
		Where does it go?
		Well, it goes into the earth, but how far does it go before it'll stop?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you, ma'am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that a light and a video camera, I mean, Mel, you could have a special as you got down past, what did they say was the deepest hole, 1,600 feet?
unidentified		1,800 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you got down past 1,600 feet, you'd have a network special on your hands, Mel.
unidentified		That would be good.
unidentified		I'm thinking about putting up a web page on it there if I get one of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's his name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rivera would come.
unidentified		And they'd lower him into the hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only if we were all lucky.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Terry from Bremerton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Terry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're up in Washington again, yeah.
unidentified		You're right.
		Well, I was wondering about how much does 15 miles of fishing line weigh?
		I have no idea.
		I'm just letting that sucker go down.
		I have not.
		What if you've already hit the bottom and you got a pound of fishing line on it?
		That's right.
		You're flutting it down.
		Yeah, I should weigh one of those spools because I'm getting them in 5,000-yard spools.
		Yeah.
		And so I should weigh a spool and sort of deduct the cost of the spool itself and see what that would add up to in terms of how much that weighs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it could have hit bottom some time ago and simply the pure weight of the line.
unidentified		Right.
		It doesn't feel like it is reached bottom there.
		There's no slack in the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even, well, there might not be with that much weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know, even if that's true, Caller, think about it, he's still got the deepest hole ever heard of in the world.
unidentified		Yeah, he does.
unidentified		But the weight of the line would keep pulling the line down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there would be so much line down there by then.
unidentified		What pound test line is it?
		I'm using 20 pounds.
		I guess you have 20 pounds of line on it already.
		Pardon me?
		Do you think you have 20 pounds of line in the hole already?
		I'm sure there's more line than that.
		It would break by then.
		We're talking how many tension on that.
		20 spools of line on there.
		Wow.
		And it's still hanging on there.
		That weight continues to go down.
		I don't know if there's a way of weighing that thing as it is.
		Yeah, I was just interested in how much the line would weigh itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could probably do that.
unidentified		Get one of those hanging scales and spring operator and stuff and just sort of knot it off up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why not?
		It's worth a try.
		And the other thing that's worth a try, I suppose, although you'd be cranking for a long time, would be to crank it back up again.
unidentified		Well, no, I could just weigh like one spool of line and multiply it.
		I think I'm up to about like 18 spools of line right now.
		So, you know, it wouldn't be too hard to get a weight on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll report back to us on that?
unidentified		Yeah, sure, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Mel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I'm Bellingham, Washington.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Washington again.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I was wondering, what was the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		Yeah, I was wondering what elements was that weight, or is that weight composed of it's a standard lead fishing weight.
unidentified		You know, you were talking earlier, Al was talking earlier about the heat when you get deep into the heat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was speculating.
		You know, I saw the movie with Papoon about the journey to center the earth.
		It was supposed to get hot and you go down, right?
unidentified		Yeah, and also, what about the magnetism?
unidentified		You know, that's a factor you can consider also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The magnetism?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're off into a territory that I can't answer.
		Mel, are you going to contact, your wife works for a university, local university?
		Have they, I mean, did she tell them about this?
		And if so, what did they say?
unidentified		Well, the people she talked to, because I nag her about it occasionally, say, they're telling her, you don't have a hole date that deep, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, they don't believe her?
unidentified		No, no.
		No.
		What I'm trying to do is kind of entice them out there and just bring something out there to measure how deep it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mel, would you be willing to talk to newspaper people or television people?
		They're crazy.
		They'd send someone down there.
unidentified		Well, I know I'm talking to a lot of people on the phone right now and on the radio, but I am not sure if I'd want to have a TV crew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not sure you want that kind of publicity?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I mean, I'd be happy to, like I say, I could put together a website on it and keep people informed about what's going on because I'm sort of making this my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People would accuse you of going to the well one time too many.
unidentified		That's probably true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello there.
		That is absolutely amazing.
		All right.
		This is Tim from Scottville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And one thing I wanted to mention about that, you mentioned about a car that had fallen, apparently fallen from the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Chevrolet, yeah.
unidentified		Right.
		I recall reading about many, many incidents in England and throughout Europe of nuts raining nuts of different kinds.
		I mean, Brazil nuts and hazel nuts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes it rains nuts on my program.
		Listen, we're not talking about things falling from the sky right now.
		We're talking about a hole.
unidentified		Right, I know.
unidentified		Well, it was open lines a minute ago, and now you switched it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've switched it because I have Mel.
unidentified		Oh, well, anyway, as far as the hole goes, isn't it possible there could be like an aquifer or something in the water or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mel has not found any water.
		Any water at all.
		He lowered lifesavers in, and the lifesavers came back, and that was how far, Mel?
unidentified		4,500 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		4,500 feet, and the lifesavers came back intact, right?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		They were absolutely dry.
		They weren't dissolved.
		They were just perfect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty definitive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Mel.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Mel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Conrad in Grass Valley, and I've got some thoughts about this whole well problem.
		Sure.
		First of all, if he's putting line down the well, let's say...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got to stop this because people are going to call it a well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There has never been any water found in this hole.
unidentified		Okay, a hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
unidentified		All right.
		If he started out with a one-pound weight and he starts adding fish line to it, then the amount of weight down the hole increases.
		Alright, now, if he knows the weight of the line on a per-foot basis, as he puts more weight down the hole, if he could measure the total strain on the top of the, or load on the top of the line, he would know if any of that line was draped on anything.
		See, the thing is, once he gets a fair amount of line down, the one pound weight on the end is insignificant.
		And he wouldn't even, it could be hung up on something or laying on the bottom or something, and he would never know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he put lifesavers down 4,500 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So even if what you're saying is true, this is still, by a long shot, the deepest hole ever, ever.
unidentified		Well, that assumes it's even that deep.
unidentified		The one thought that you had that I thought was very valid was the temperature as you go farther down into the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what they, I think that's right, isn't it?
unidentified		Oh, yes, of course.
unidentified		By the time it's down 4,000 feet in the ground, the temperature would probably be well over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the 100, well, the monofilament and the lead would certainly survive 100 degrees just fine.
		You're probably right.
		That is interesting.
		Mel, I say that we've got to put a person down there.
		A volunteer.
unidentified		Not a cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not a cat.
		No cats.
		But a person, maybe like a media person, one of these anchors from maybe one of the Seattle Como stations or something.
		You know, lower them down.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
		Again, I'm intrigued.
		Again, I've been running line down there for quite a while, and I don't think I've hit bottom.
		The weight seems to be hanging plumb over there.
		And like I say, we've been throwing things down there for a long, long, long, long time.
		And, you know, this hole has not filled up.
		I don't know.
		Maybe it's getting incinerated down there.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would swear on all that is sacred to you that what you have told us is the absolute unadulterated truth.
unidentified		This is my hole, and this is the truth about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, it's an amazing story, Mel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who else, besides your wife, the people you've tried to talk to at the university and yourself, I guess your neighbors know about the hole?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		There's probably good.
		Oh, well, you know, in terms, you know, not families, but individuals, probably a good 20 people that use the hole regularly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To throw junk into.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		It's always been done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember when I was a kid, I used to like to throw stuff off bridges and stuff like that and into holes just to hear it hit bottom.
unidentified		Never heard anything hit.
unidentified		I mean, if you hit the side, of course, but if you just drop it straight down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Straight down, yeah, 9.5 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		9.5 feet is certainly large enough so that if you got in the center and dropped it straight down, it would go straight down, right?
unidentified		Yeah, you can just lean right over there and get it going straight down.
unidentified		And as far as anything I could see visually with the halogens and flashlights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The light just what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fades away into blackness.
unidentified		You've got nothing after a while.
unidentified		I mean, you can see as far as the beam will go, and that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody have any theories about you?
unidentified		The story is the guy was out hunting and he saw his dog and he knew it was his dog because it was the same dog.
		It had the same collar.
		It had the same tag on it and the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody have any theories about what properties would be in the hole to resurrect a canine?
unidentified		Gosh, I'd like to think that this is something like really benign.
		I mean, cows have gone down there.
		I mean, I haven't heard any cows coming back, or at least that you would know, but I don't...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not the creator.
		Well, look, we're out of time.
		Mel, you get the honors from near the hole in Washington State.
		Sell them.
unidentified		From the hole.
		It is good night to everyone from coast to coast.
		This is the CDC Radio Network.
		Stay tuned for a startling update facts from Mel, followed by the classic call from Jimmy Joe, flying in the airspace over Area 51.
		That's coming up next hour, right after the news, on this, the absolute best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		I received this literally a couple of minutes ahead of airtime, and it has to do with Mel's hole.
		First of all, I want to thank you, your listeners, and your callers.
		I particularly want to thank the skeptics because they are the ones that really helped me.
		I have decided to take the money and run.
		I have made a lease arrangement with regard to my land.
		The lease is to provide me with a sum of money to be deposited into an account in Australia.
		The money in Australia would allow me to immigrate to Australia because I would normally be unable to do so because of my age.
		Australia, unlike the U.S., has very strict rules regarding immigration.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess if you're older, you've got to have money.
		Interesting.
		Anyway, he goes on.
		The balance of the mortgage on the land will be paid off by the leasing party.
		I will be paid a sum of money each month for the next 100 years.
		Should I pre-decease or die, the term of the lease, the money is then to go to my estate.
		If it is feasible, based on the leasing party's use of the land, I am to have my remains, upon my demise, return to the U.S. and be disposed of in the whole.
		This last item is based on the future use of the whole.
		This is incredible.
		He goes on, if any commercial use of the land is made by the leasing party, their agents, or any other entity, I am to receive 5% of the gross revenues generated by the land.
		This would be in addition to the monthly lease amount.
		The lease can be renewed at the end of the term by a request of the leasing party.
		I will be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment based on actions of the leasing party, etc.
		I'll be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment.
		He goes on to say, this is a little hard to read.
		There will be no charges of drug manufacturing against me.
		I will not be charged with the importation and propagation of non-native plants.
		Any materials regarding my research will be returned to me.
		Any personal items remaining on the property will be returned to me so long as they do not compromise the security of the property.
		In return, I am not to release any photographs, written, or oral descriptions as to location or any information that would compromise the security of the property.
		I do not wish to talk to the press.
		In my opinion, there is no press other than Art Bell.
		If you want to be on the cutting edge, he says, Art Bell is a guy sharpening the knife.
		Though things were pretty scary at times, everything worked out well.
		I'm certain that if I never contacted you to begin with, I would not have been as fortunate as I am today.
		It is amazing what can happen over the span of a few days since Friday.
		I'm just trying to make it to the end of the month.
		Now money will not be a problem for me ever.
		Thank you all, and let Mel's Hole enter into that murky territory of urban mythology or conspiracy theory.
		This is the end of the trail.
		Mel.
		P.S. Yes, they will tell me about the true nature of the hole.
		No, you will not hear it from me.
		So this appears to be the swan song of Mel.
		Maybe.
		That came about Two minutes prior to airtime, I received a very cryptic, strange message from my affiliate, I think it's KXLE, up in Washington earlier today.
		It's on my answering service.
		I'm still not sure what that was all about, but it had to do with Mel's hole.
		Then somebody sent me the following.
		James Johnson told a very strange story to the Seattle Post Intelligencer back in June of 74.
		The Johnson family had just purchased a new home in Tacoma when their St. Bernard began sniffing around what seemed to be a small hole in the backyard.
		Thinking he had moles, Johnson ran a 50-foot-long sewer snake down the hole, but he never hit the bottom.
		Perplexed, he called a city manager who pronounced the opening to be 31 feet deep.
		By this time, the hole had widened and he could see the first few feet were lined with bricks.
		The engineer suggested the family fill it with gravel.
		To avoid the $500 cost of filling the hole with gravel, Johnson bought, get this, 164 tires from the local St. Vincent dePaul thrift store and tossed them into the hole.
		He added an old rug, some boxes, several dog bones to the mix and covered it with a wooden plank given to him by the city.
		A year passed without further incident.
		But get this, folks, when Johnson decided to install a sundeck, which would have to be built over the hole, he lifted the plank, and much to his surprise, he found the hole had sucked up all the tires.
		Johnson decided to research his house's history, and he learned that in the 1920s, the owners had also had a problem with the hole.
		They had thrown a large quantity of marble and assorted junk down into it.
		Apparently, this show of disrespect angered the hole, for an explosion literally blew everything out, marble and everything else.
		The lady living in the house was too frightened to remain and soon moved out.
		Another former resident stopped by the house and told Johnson his father had lowered him by rope down the hole in 1922.
		While in the hole, something pulled a bucket out of his hands.
		The tale of the Tacoma mystery hole quickly spread.
		Johnson was inundated with offers from people to explore it.
		Finally, he gave permission to one.
		They found some strange egg-shaped objects.
		On and on it goes with various theories then about the mystery hole in Tacoma.
		So Mel's Hole is not the first mystery hole of this sort, apparently.
		So there it is, the story of Mel's hole.
		Somebody has sent me, by the way, Daryl in Rancho Mirage says, good for Mel and Art Bell.
		For Art, he had the courage to talk.
	For Mel, he was smart enough to listen.
	But wouldn't you love to hear the whole story?
	Art, you didn't make his day, you made his life.
	Therefore, you now don't have to feel guilty.
	That's true.
	I was feeling a little guilty because Mel was in so much apparent trouble.
	But it does look as though it has worked out well for Mel.
	Now, there are those who are saying he has sold out this taking the money and running business.
	I don't know that I feel that way, and I know it's easy to sit there as an armchair general and say, what a sellout, to take the money and to run.
	But the alternative might have been to lose his land, end up in jail, or worse.
	And so I can't, you know, I'm not going to make the judgment that he has done the wrong thing because, to be frank, I can't tell you in that situation what I would have done.
	Again, let me tell you, Art, answer the wildcard line.
	My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas, ready to fly into Area 51.
	He's been trying to call you by cell phone.
	And here he is.
	You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello there.
		Is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, my name, I won't give you my last name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, wait a minute, sir.
		Hold on.
		The fax is signed by somebody named who?
unidentified		Jill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jill, that is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are the one.
unidentified		That's my girlfriend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, I'm up here from Fort Worth.
		It's my little airplane.
		It's a long Easy I built myself.
		It's a Bird Route 10 design with the Ford Kennard.
		I'm not sure if you know the kind.
		It's an experimental aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
unidentified		I specified that, but not anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, tell me about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of airplane is it?
unidentified		Well, it's a long easy.
		It's got 120 horsepower like homing in it, but we had it forward stroke and fixed it up a little bit.
		It usually flies around 140, 160 indicated airspeed.
		I'm right now at 7,000 feet.
		You know where this place called Indian Springs is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indian Springs, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I've been flying now for about 45, 49 minutes here between Beatty, is that what you call it, and Indian Springs.
		And I figured I'd just go on up here and try to get into this area 51.
		I'm right south of this Nevada desk site or Dallas Air Force Base.
		I'm right outside this restricted zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
		When you fly into that zone, they are going to either force you down or shoot you down.
		Don't you know that?
unidentified		Well, you know, I've been in a lot of Air Force bases, and I've been in the Air Force for 10 years.
		I'm an ex-Air Force, but I'm just going to tell you that, you know, as American citizens, we have the right to know what's up there in this area 51.
		And I've been listening to people that talk about this.
		Hold on here.
		I'm making a turn.
		Just a second here.
		and I'm going to go on up there and see what's going on.
		And I just wanted to let you know about that before I do that, don't you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long do you estimate it's going to be before you?
unidentified		I figure about 14, 12, 14 minutes.
		I can crank this safety up a little bit here.
		Let's do that.
		Let's crank this thing on up.
		We've got some pretty good mountains here off to my west, don't you know?
		I'm turning up north right now, and I can see the Air Force base out there in the distance.
		It's got three runways.
		It looks like they're all lit up.
		And A-shaped.
		Looks like north-south.
		Got a lot of desert up here, don't you, boys?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of desert, yes.
unidentified		A lot of desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're liable to get yourself killed.
unidentified		I'm sorry, sir.
		You have to speak a little loud.
		I cranked this engine all the way up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		said you're liable to get yourself killed.
unidentified		Well, we'll get up there in a few minutes, yeah, and we're just going to see what's going to happen, because this is a...
		And maybe they're going to think that I'm on some kind of a mercy flight, and I'm just off work.
		And I've got the radios cut off because you can have radio failure, don't you know?
		And so I'm going to hold this thing steady here about around 65, 6,800 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you doing this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you doing this?
unidentified		I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
		I'm an American.
		My family has been American for years, and I want to get down in here, and I want to find out what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then why are you doing it at night?
unidentified		Because that's the best way to get in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even if you manage to overfly the area, what do you...
unidentified		I'm in the restricted zone.
		I just entered the restricted zone.
		I see a bunch of bites out there.
		Looks like some kind of a search bike coming off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in the restricted zone now?
unidentified		I just crossed that restricted zone.
unidentified		I'm going to drop the safe down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, you're going to get shot down.
unidentified		Hold on here down.
		I got my pressure suit on.
		I don't really need one of this kind of aircraft.
		It's not like it's yet, but it helps when I make the tight turns here.
		And I'm going to cut down here.
		Ah, let's see what these boys are going to do.
		I don't see anybody coming up here yet.
		I just see a bunch of lights.
		But I'm pretty far from that Area 54, and I figure about another 8-9 minutes here.
		And it's hard to calculate it right now trying to talk to you.
		I'm trailing an antenna out here about 30 feet so I can keep this phone conversation.
		If we get cut off, then but I'm going to go up here and see what's going on.
		They say there's bunchy UFOs and there's all kinds of things out here.
		I want to get this safety right down here about a thousand feet.
		And we're going to see if there's any UFOs or anything out here what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I think you're making a mistake.
unidentified		Well, sir, I might be, you know, but you know, our tax dollars pay for all this.
unidentified		And this board, they've been hiding everything under all this black project and all this trade funding and all this kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think, don't you?
		Sir, hold it, hold it, hold it.
		Don't you think that we have a right to national security secrets?
unidentified		I think we have, not really, because you know they have these K-11 and K-15 satellites up there, and the Ruskies, they know what we're doing, and the Chinese, they've got satellites down here that they know what's going on.
		The only thing that don't know what's going on is the silent folks like me and you.
		And us common folks got a right to know because we're funding all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been planning this?
unidentified		I got this thing down here by 1,000 feet.
		I've been planning this thing now.
		I'm right on the deck, not quite on the deck.
		I'm at 1,000 feet.
		Boy, they got my boat popping up everywhere.
		I'm telling you, they got search devices, about four of them out here.
		And I've been planning this now for, oh, anywhere from a month to six weeks.
		It took me a while to paint up the plane because I had to use that Emron.
		It's the only thing that sticks to this gel coat I got on.
		This thing's built out of campar or carbon fiber.
		I got it dressed 8 deep positive, 10 deep neck, just overbilled.
		I'll tell you what, I want to get down here and sperm like a little frog that's been stepped on by big dogs when I get down here.
		A few minutes here, I'll tell you that.
		Because I'm not going to.
		Hey, looks like there's a F-16 coming up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be surprised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're making a mistake.
unidentified		I'm sambling somebody down there.
		He's got some Asterburners on because I can see him.
		He's about five miles out.
		That old boy is clinking.
		Yes, sir.
		And I see something opening up here on the ground.
		I'm pretty low now.
		I'm starting to pick up all kind of buildings down here.
		I see something here is level with the ground.
		They're opening this thing up.
		There looks like something's coming up out of that.
		I can't tell you what it is.
		It must be on some kind of a.
		Hold on here.
		I got to make this turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I think this little boy is going to head up here for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be surprised.
unidentified		Oh, he'll going to be up here directly because he's in F-16.
		Sure as hell.
		He's coming.
		Hold on here.
		I would advise you to turn your...
		Hold on in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would advise you to turn on your radio.
unidentified		Come on, baby.
		We can do this now.
		Come on here.
		Hold on.
		This old boy's coming up here.
		Now, he's got his lights.
		He's got his lights on and he's flashing me.
		Yeah, he's probably...
		No radio.
		He don't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I were you, I'd turn it on.
unidentified		or listen to Art Bell, because everybody listens to Art Bell.
		Well, maybe if you're making I've got to get some air speed.
		I don't know what he's going to do here.
		He's rocking his wings at me right now.
		He's rocking his wings and he's cutting in front of me.
		And you know this, uh...
		Because if he cuts that close, stay off.
		Stay off.
		He gets his vortex from his engine.
		And Pratt and Whitney engine were going to, just like Twin Tornadoes, if he gets too close, stay off, huh?
		Hold on here.
		I'm getting down on the deck.
		I'm going in.
		I'm getting down here.
		He ain't going to get me.
		I'm in the veterans.
		He ain't going to get me there.
		They didn't get me over there.
		They're not going to get me over here.
		Looks like some kind of rail gun coming up out of that elevator, that flat area over there that the doors opened up.
		It's got some kind of a weird looking barrel on it with a light.
		And oh, hell, they're doing something.
		They're shooting at me now!
		Oh god!
		No baby, I'm going in!
		I think I'm going in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure what we just heard.
		All I can tell you is I got a fax that read Art, answer the wildcard line.
		My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas and ready to fly into Area 51.
		He's been trying to call you by cell phone.
		I withheld the signature at the bottom of the facts so I could be sure that if I did get the person, I could verify it.
		Indeed, it was signed by Jill.
		Now, whether what you just heard was a hoax or the real thing, I have no way of telling you.
		And I have no way of knowing.
		You tell me.
		Guess who I just got a fax from?
		You're not going to believe it, folks.
unidentified		It's from Bugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of you, if you've been listening to the program for a long time, you might remember Bugs.
		He's a man who thought that he killed actually two Bigfoot.
		And he was going to lead us to the burial site of these two Bigfoot.
		And by the time the program was over, this audience had so convinced Bugs that he would be charged with, at the very least, manslaughter and likely murder if they went to the grave site, he disappeared.
		Well, I've got a guest coming on here in a moment, just a regular kind of guy who had an encounter with Bigfoot.
		Bugs heard about it.
		Bugs, just this moment, sent me a fax that says the following art.
		The picture of Bigfoot on your webpage looks like it's real.
		It looks very much like the ones that I shot several years ago.
		I printed the picture and used a magnifying glass and it looks like the real thing.
unidentified		Bugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's the first part of a letter I got.
		Art, it's been a strange, long journey, about 10 years now.
		But this photo is the keystone to our tale.
		My friend Ace was able to take this and several others seven weeks after our late-night encounter.
		He was able to bury himself in the snow and brush.
		Only then did he get the chance to get any picture after we had tried for weeks.
		I believe this creature knew he was around somewhere.
		May have been able to smell him, but not see him, or it would never have come out into the open.
		When the creature got this close, see photo, which I have on the web, Ace became very afraid and wet his pants.
		Well, I don't blame Ace, do you?
		Now once you see the photo, it knew where he was then and quickly moved away.
		Ace showed me the photos about two days after he'd taken them.
		I told him to hide them and keep them in a safe place.
		They were so safe, we couldn't find them.
		Ace turned this one up because he was moving to a new house.
		The photo was resting at the bottom of a seldom-used drawer at his mom's place.
		It always seems when the going gets weird, the weird seems to know where I am.
		I know the feeling.
		But now I can share this weird with the rest of the world.
		Thanks, Art, for taking the time to look at our photo and to read my letter.
		P.S., it's okay to use my name on the air.
		Sign Dan.
		Dan, are you there?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dan, you're in where?
		Arnold, Missouri, eh?
		Right.
		Do you want to give your last name, Dan?
unidentified		Well, yes, Dan D. Doty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dan D. Doty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's D-O-T-Y, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Arnold, Missouri.
		You know, people sit out there, Dan, and a lot of times they say, well, you know, if somebody wants to come on the air and tell a story and they won't give their name, it takes away from the credibility.
		So I appreciate your giving your name.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Now, it's just that, well, I've been running around like a nut for the last 10 years trying to explain the story to people and didn't have any evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now we do.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We've got the photograph.
		There's a million people going up to the website, I guarantee right now, to take a look at the photograph.
		And Bugs looked at it, and he said he thought it's real.
		I don't know if you remember who Bugs was or not.
unidentified		I've never heard of Bugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you will if he's got the guts to call and give me a number to call him.
		Anyway, listen, tell us your story.
		How in heaven's name did you come upon this creature?
		What's the story?
unidentified		Well, for a long time, we've heard like little stories, rumors that out in this area near Otto, Missouri, right next to where Ace lived, that these creatures were out there.
		People had seen them.
		His mother had called the Sheriff's Department when one came out right to the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right up to the house?
unidentified		Right up to the house.
		Right next to a car.
		Her and a neighbor of hers were both totally freaked out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
unidentified		The sheriff's department came out there, one of the deputies maybe went like three feet in the woods, said all you people want to do is get on TV or something, and he wouldn't go back there and take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this on the outskirts of town or what?
unidentified		Well, a lot of towns in Missouri are kind of spread out.
		They're usually interconnected on roads and stuff.
		Right.
		And the area where these creatures were, I'll explain that a little later, was an area about five miles by about two and a half miles large.
		It was a very large wilderness area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And, well, we were decided, he goes, let's see if we can really get a look at these things.
unidentified		Because we both had had late-night encounters with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I want to understand that there had been reports.
		In other words, you knew the creatures were in the area.
		Right.
unidentified		Other people had seen them.
		His mother had.
		Other neighbors had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you, how old were you?
unidentified		At the time, 25.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		25.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your buddy?
unidentified		Around 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Around 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you guys decided we're going to go try and find this thing, huh?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so it was a mission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you, and for that reason, you had a camera with you?
unidentified		Not at that time, no.
unidentified		We just went to see if we could find them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so off you went into the woods.
unidentified		But not very far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not very far.
unidentified		Ace went back to his house to get some sound equipment, something to amplify sound with.
unidentified		While he's inside, I'm outside waiting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I hear something rushing around in the bushes.
		I said, it's probably coyote.
		We've got tons of them out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have them here too, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I shown the flashlight around, and I caught one of these creatures in the face with a flashlight.
		And it was maybe somewhere between 10 and 12 feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10 and 12 feet tall.
unidentified		And, of course, real quick, rationalize me of mind, it's just a tree.
		It's something else.
		It's not this.
		It's not this.
		And as soon as Ace came out, just by reflex, I put the flashlight at him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And then I brought it back, and there's just this empty space between the trees where this thing was.
unidentified		They said, oh, my God, it was one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see it well enough to describe it at that point, or were you in shock?
unidentified		Well enough to describe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you see?
unidentified		Humanoid-like face, high cheekbones, highbrow, lantern jaw, very kind of almost battleship gray texture to its skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An ape-like appearance?
unidentified		If you count the nose, the nose is very small.
		It's more like a bulldoze dog's nose than a human's.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you saw in that shining flashlight, is that the same thing that we've got in the photograph?
unidentified		Pretty much so, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		Because I knew after we started going in the woods, Ace gave me the sound equipment.
		I put that on.
		I could hear everything, you know, leaves blowing the whole bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you actually get the sound?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On tape?
unidentified		No, we didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got a couple of sounds that are said to be Bigfoot.
unidentified		All right, if you want to play them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard them?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've heard them.
unidentified		Scream and talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the first one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's a little less credible.
unidentified		Mario's sound
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty horrible stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to me, that one, Dan, has always sounded kind of like a human in the tortures of hell somewhere, something like that.
unidentified		I think I've heard that sound before, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		From a movie called Legend of Boggy Creek?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
unidentified		It sounds like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just never know.
		It could be, but it always sounded to me like a human being going through some horrible torture, and humans can almost sound animalistic now comes the second one.
		Now, this sound, this sound by every Bigfoot expert I've talked to is said to be the genuine sound of a real Bigfoot.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely not something you'd want to meet in the middle of the woods or anywhere else anytime, ever.
		A horrible sound, indeed.
		Have you ever heard anything like that?
unidentified		Actually, just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Actually, I've only heard one after I started viewing through movies and stuff, I've only heard one movie that actually had the exact sound, and that was something that was done called Bigfoot Manor Peace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that had the exact sounds on it.
unidentified		Somebody recorded that, and I said, God, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you still have the recordings that you guys made?
unidentified		We never got a chance to make any recordings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, okay, so anyway, here you were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You shined the flashlight in your friend's face and said, and did what?
unidentified		I didn't say anything at that point.
		I don't know why.
		I just didn't open my mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't open your mouth?
unidentified		He just basically said, come on, we're going in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going in.
unidentified		Right.
		And we maybe got 15 feet down the path into the woods, and he just turns completely pale on me.
		And I just go, Ace, you know, what's wrong?
		And he just said, I don't know.
		I just got this feeling like I walked over my own grave.
		And before I could say anything, we heard things rushing around the bushes.
		I put mine to the left.
		He put his to the right.
		I didn't see anything.
		Next thing you know, I hear Ace screaming, Jesus Christ, he's as big as a house.
		And I wasn't going to go, well, let me examine this closely.
		We both darted back out real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was encounter number one, huh?
unidentified		Well, the encounter isn't finished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Because as soon as we backed out, they're like, whoa, you know, this is freaky.
unidentified		And just about that time, a very large blue ball of light zepped out of the sky and went into the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		So in other words, there was a UFO involved.
		Yes.
unidentified		And we're both, at this time, it felt like somebody dumped like 10 gallons of ice-cold water over me.
unidentified		I'm shocked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, I'm certain.
unidentified		And at that particular moment, I heard two of the creatures talking back and forth to each other.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, it's like some gurbling sound between them like they're having conversation.
unidentified		I'm just freaking at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you are.
unidentified		And Ace is kind of like giggling, laughing.
unidentified		I think he was pretty much in shock, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, people react in strange ways to total terror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some laugh.
unidentified		I know.
		He was freaked out, too.
		And I said, let's get back in your house real quick, okay?
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And back in you went.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And it was pretty much a frightening experience for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This whole thing had occurred at night.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the photograph that we've got.
unidentified		Was during the daytime because we kept trying to get a picture of it because here I come back home, explain this to my family.
		They all think I just went nuts on them somewhere.
		God, they all still think I'm nuts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do?
unidentified		I think everybody in the whole town does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever wondered about yourself, Dan?
		I'm serious.
		I mean, have you ever wondered whether this really happened?
unidentified		Well, if Ace hadn't been there, I would have probably said, I think I lost it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay, I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is Ace now?
unidentified		Ace is home.
		I called him to say that I was going to be doing this program.
		He said he couldn't stay out and listen to it because he had to go to work tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but so the point is, you've got an eyewitness.
		Now, did you go to the media with that?
		Was there a story in the newspaper about you and Ace?
unidentified		No, everybody ignored it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody ignored it?
unidentified		They didn't want to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to hear about that stuff.
unidentified		I called up a number of radio stations, a very large one here in St. Louis, basically got made fun of on the air when I told them my story as I've told you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes, and basically as you're nuts, you're crazy.
unidentified		And all the callers kind of confirmed that opinion after I got off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was a conventional way media used to react to this kind of thing, Dan.
unidentified		As far as I can tell, they still do that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, some do.
		The smirks are becoming fewer.
		Anyway, so you had this encounter, this nighttime encounter, and now, how in the world, how in heaven's name did you get close enough to get a photograph like the one we've got up here?
unidentified		Ace was able to do it.
		We both took our turns trying to get close enough to this thing to get a picture of it, or these creatures.
		We knew there was more than one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many do you think were there?
unidentified		I said at least two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they're still there?
unidentified		Not after we took the pictures, they wouldn't be.
unidentified		Because something really neat happened that spring, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		For some odd reasons, government contracting guys came in, broke up an entire area, a large portion of this area, and stuck a transmitting tower in the middle of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And after that, nobody saw anything, nobody heard anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they virtually paved over the Bigfoot's habitat?
unidentified		Basically, yeah.
		If they're somewhere else in the area, they're not around where they used to be.
		Because it's just like somebody knew what we were doing and decided to fix the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may have heard early in the program there was a lady who called from Arnold, Missouri.
unidentified		Oh, I heard.
unidentified		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was worried about going to sleep.
		Oh, did she?
		All right.
		Well, close enough then.
		So you may have driven the Bigfoot her way.
unidentified		Oh, be unfortunate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, be unfortunate.
		10 or 12 feet tall.
		Hairy?
		Very.
		Very hairy.
unidentified		Very hairy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what it looks like in the interior.
unidentified		And the color of the fur is almost exactly as the tree bark would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a little darker, actually.
unidentified		What I can tell from the other pictures when we had them is the creature hides behind trees or stays still so you can't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This one has its face out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the important part of this photograph.
unidentified		They're also extremely quiet, believe it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, Dan, I know you're just, you know, you're a layman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what do you think these things are?
unidentified		From all the things that's happened, they do have extraterrestrial connections.
unidentified		No doubt about it, because I've seen too many reports that give them that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell us the story of how you got this daytime photograph.
unidentified		All right.
		Ace and I had been sitting around trying to figure out how we're going to get this.
		I mean, we had gone through the whole gambit of, gee, maybe we can sneak a picture to maybe we should go down there and try to blow one of their heads off or something and drag it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And for some odd reason, we kept talking each other out of doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		And essentially said, well, we're going to get a chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure, for one thing, everybody was laughing, right?
unidentified		So you guys wanted proof that we wanted proof because Ace wasn't talking so much as I was.
unidentified		I was talking to just thought anybody would listen for 10 seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And basically he said, we're going to wait it out.
		He said, we're going to be, he said, we've been in the woods our whole lives.
		When you want anything, you just have to wait it out.
		And he basically took turns.
		I got close to it a few times, but I never could get any chance to take pictures of it.
		I could always tell when they're around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys go out there with guns and cameras or just cameras?
unidentified		Just cameras.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just cameras.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or that's gutsy.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's gutsy, because, I mean, obviously Ace did meet up with one.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I got close a few times, but I never could get close enough for it to come out in the open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's really interesting because in the first encounter, you're the guy who saw the Bigfoot, but in the second encounter, on shifts, with you guys waiting out in the woods during the day, he's the guy who got the photographs.
unidentified		I think it's good shifts because he knew how to do a little better at hunting than I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you guys do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just sort of crouch down and wait?
unidentified		Actually, I'm the guy who was being mobile and trying to sneak a chance.
		Maybe it would come out in the open or I'd trip over it.
		I got close a few times, but I never could get it to come out in the open.
		it's weird.
		You could always tell when they were around because everything just shut up.
		Birds, animals, everything.
		They just totally quiet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's how you know they're in the area.
unidentified		Yeah, everything just stops.
		I mean, they know it is around, so they're they're staying as still as possible.
		And I could never get really close.
		Ace came up with a brilliant idea.
		I asked him, you know, the idea, how did you get so close?
		He said, well, I just covered myself in snow and brush.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they couldn't see me.
		I mean, that's classic.
		I want to thank you, Dan.
		And if you'll listen on the radio, you're about to hear a guy named Bugs.
		Once again, here I am.
		Well, folks, you're not going to believe this.
		But I have on the phone the author of the facts about Bigfoot.
		He's on the phone with me.
		And I had to talk very hard to try and get him to say a word or two on the air.
		And he's going to.
		You may recall the facts.
		For those that don't, I'm going to read it.
		I'm going to read the facts.
		And then we're going to go and say a couple of words to this man.
		And I am dying as you are of curiosity.
		Dear Art Bell, I know where two Bigfoots are buried.
		In 1973, two friends and myself were out hunting at night using spotlights.
		Came across one Bigfoot in an open field.
		He was about 100 yards away.
		Two of us shot and dropped him.
		He got up.
		We fired again.
		He went down a second time.
		He got up again and started for the river.
		This time he was about 250 yards out.
		We fired again, hit him, but he did not drop.
		The next morning, we returned to the area and started to track him.
		It was easy since there was a lot of blood.
		We followed him down the river for about a half mile, came up on a wild, excuse me, a large wild plum thicket.
		The blood trail went in there.
		We flipped a coin and the odd man went in.
		It was December.
		There were no leaves.
		I crawled in on my stomach.
		And about 50 feet in, that's 50 feet, I met with the female.
		Thank God for the 44 magnum.
		It took three shots to bring her down.
		Each time I fired, she went backwards.
		She stood up and my two buddies each fired, hitting her in the head.
		That was the end of it.
		We found the male dead in the thicket.
		Female had the same body as that of a human, sex organ, breast, and so forth.
		Male had the same type of organs as a human.
		The difference, though, was that of the face that looked like a cross between a human and ape.
		The male was about seven and a half feet tall, his weight about 350 pounds.
		The female seven feet tall and 300 pounds.
		Since they looked so human, we decided to bury them.
		We felt that we might get charged with murder.
		All three Vietnam vets were snipers, so we knew what we were doing.
		We took 10 Polaroid photographs, pictures.
		If you want to talk to me, then I will fax you my number.
		Just say the word bugs, and I will fax the number to you.
		If I agree to show you where they are, and if I need an attorney, your company will pay the bill.
		That is the only way.
		Well, while my company is certainly not prepared to foot the bill, the Bigfoot Society has indicated that with the right conditions, they are.
		They'll help.
		They have money.
		They have resources.
		They have helicopters.
		They're very serious about what they're doing with regard to Bigfoot.
		Now, I just, during this last break, got a simple facts with a way to contact somebody with the pseudonym of Bugs.
		He's on the phone right now, and here he is from an undisclosed location.
		We'll just leave it at that.
		I don't even right now want to know where you are.
	But I do want to say thank you for getting back to me.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was afraid that you only listened on Sunday evenings and that you wouldn't be up this late.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was already asleep.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		My wife was listening to you, and she woke me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Woke you up, eh?
		All right.
		There's a lot of confusion.
		People misheard the facts.
		Some people thought it was 50 yards in that you crawled.
		It wasn't.
		It was about, according to the facts, 50 feet, correct?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Now, this thicket was, oh, I would say, about 50 feet wide by 150 feet long.
		It was in a draw ravine or whatever you want to call it.
		And you could not see down into it, but there was no leaves, so you could see what was in front of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me take you back before this, if I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only part, and you may have heard me or your wife may have heard me mention this, that I had a hard time with, was that the first shots that were taken apparently were taken at night from about 100 yards.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I take it what you had in your sights was a biped of some sort up on two legs, right?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		Well, when we first seen what it was, we seen the eyes.
		It was basically reddish.
		At first, we thought it could be a deer.
		The eyes were similar.
		And as we got closer, it was probably, I assume it was in a crouch or kneeling position.
		And as we got closer, we came around a bend in the road that went into this flat area that run alongside the river.
		And it was a plowed field.
		And we were able to see, as we got closer, when we hit the lights, the pickup lights hit it first, brought the spotlights on it.
		We're using 500,000 candle watt quartz beam lights.
		Wow.
		Back in 1973, we did this basically professionally because we were hunting coats, bobcats, coons, that sort of thing, because they were bringing a lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And as we've come around, like I said, when the lights first hit it, we thought That it was a deer with the eye.
		And as we got closer, we could see it was something crouched.
		And when we stopped to pick up, it stood up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so at first it was crouched down on all fours.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't say it was on all fours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you mean kind of crouched down like you?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Kneeling or something for that.
unidentified		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then as you got closer, it reared up.
unidentified		It got up.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much detail could you make out of this thing?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		At the point, when we put the scopes on it, we could tell what it was.
		I mean, there was no doubt in our mind.
		Bird Dog and myself both knew immediately what it was.
		that it was a Bigfoot because of the hair, the outline, the human form.
		But it was so hard to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I believe it.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And I laid my rifle out my window and he come across the top of the cab with his.
		And we both fired simultaneously.
		I mean, that's the way we did it when we hit coach.
		Whichever one inside, one of us would fire out the driver's side or the window and the other one would come across the cab and we both fired.
		And we fired instantly.
		He was using a 300 Weatherblit, which is 300 Magnum.
		I was using the 243.
		He was shooting, I believe, either 280, I believe it was a 280-grain bullet, and I was firing a 125-grain bullet.
		And we both fired.
		He fell over.
		I mean, just like, not really fell over, like he was knocked over.
		I'm assuming the 300 is what did that.
		We thought he was down.
		Has he come back up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not an expert with guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know something about them, but I take it these are of a caliber and velocity that would bring down any normal animal.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		The 300 bring anything down in the northern United States and North America.
		The 243, no, it's not.
		It's more of a varmint weapon.
		But the 300, I mean, you could probably bring down an elephant with it.
		It's probably the most powerful rifle there is in this part of the world outside of an elephant gun.
		And the animal got up, stood on his hind feet, started to run away from us, and we fired again and again.
		It was just like something pushed him down.
		We knocked him down.
		And again, we thought he wasn't going to get up.
		And we opened our doors.
		I did, and stepped outside.
		And Bird Dog come around the front.
		And he jumped up and he took off again.
		And this is when we fired the third time.
		And we hit him again because he kind of learned forward, but he was far enough out that he hit the fence and it just rolled across the fence.
		And he got down into the river there, and he was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this was all at about what time of night?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I would say probably about 2.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2.30 in the morning.
		All right.
		So that was at the end of what occurred that night?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		We didn't do any more looking for him that night because, you know, this thing is bigger than both of us put together nearly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't go anywhere.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And we knew that he was hit.
		knew that he was hit bad.
		No, he's not going to go very far.
		He's been hit at least three times by or four by both weapons.
		He's not going very far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't...
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we actually didn't even go to sleep.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		We just kind of drove around until sunslight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And I would say probably, oh, 7.38, we arrived back over there.
		We picked up the blood trail.
		Bird dog was a tracker in Vietnam.
		It was very easy for him to follow the trail.
		And we went down, oh, I imagine about a half a mile, something like that, come up on the thicket.
		And that was when we went in after it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're the guy, you flipped a coin to see who would go in odd man out, right?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I never was very lucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in you go with a 44 Magnum.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you got about 50 feet in and found what?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I was going in, I was scared, to be honest with you, but I never suspected two of them.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I got in, and the sound that this thing made as it come up at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that sound?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've heard me play, I assume.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Nothing like what you play.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing like what I played.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Nothing like.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		More of a scream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A scream.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a woman can't scream the screwing sound, the way this thing screamed.
		And it just, I mean, it just put chills down your spine.
		But I seen it move.
		I seen it coming toward me.
		And it was on all fours coming toward me.
		And I fired.
		And the 44, I'm shooting the 240-grain hollow point with an overcharge.
		Literally knocked that thing back about three or four feet.
		It got up and it came after me again.
		And I fired again.
		It did three times that away.
		And the fourth time, it stood completely up.
		And when it did, Burg Dog and my other buddy cut loose on it and they went through the head.
		All right, I take it the thicket was low enough so that when this creature stood up all the way it was standing high enough so they could get a shot at it right right probably a plum thicket I imagine probably five six feet tall and something to that extent well it dropped and didn't make any more sounds and I got closer and I seen it wasn't breathing so it was I knew it was gone and about another probably ten foot on the other side of it I seen the other one laying
		and so it took all three of us to drag them out.
		They were that heavy, and then when we examined them, we got scared because the organs, everything, it was just like a human body with hair on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was going to be my question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was covered with hair?
unidentified		Right.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		It had kind of a brownish-red hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brownish-red.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you estimated the weight, I think the male about 350 pounds, the female about 300, huh?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Something in that neighborhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And both of them over seven feet.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		At least.
		I can promise you that they were at least seven foot tall.
		They could have even been taller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No clothing, right?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		No clothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The head looking half human?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to really explain it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Best you can.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		It had a nose similar to a human's nose, but the mouth similar to an ape.
		The eyes, half human, half ape looking.
		It had a large protruding-type forehead.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Whereas ours, you know, kind of comes almost down on your eyes.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		This one hung probably half an inch or so out more so than ours would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it have a neck?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Short neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very short, huh?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Probably, if I remember right, maybe three inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not much of a neck.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, the best way to describe the way they look from the backside, you see weightlifters where they don't have no neck and it just goes all up into muscles.
		Yeah, sure.
		That's the way it looked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a no-neck NFL player.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I can imagine your fear.
		I mean, what did you guys do when you finally got the bodies, you dragged them out, you looked at them?
		What was the conversation like?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Well, we started talking about what are we going to do?
		Should we notify somebody or should we bury these suckers or what?
		Right.
		And we finally come to the conclusion that we might go to prison.
		And so we decided, hey, let's put these suckers in a hole.
		And we buried them and then covered it where nobody would ever know they'd been buried there.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not an attorney, but from what you've told me, you didn't commit murder.
		I mean, you were hunting, and clearly, I think, if your description is even close to accurate, you did not kill what we think of as human beings.
		Let me ask you to stay put for just a minute.
		I've got commercial things I must do.
		And so without identifying the person, other than to say this is bugs, back now to somebody identified only as bugs.
		All right, bugs.
		So you guys, you sat around, you talked about it, you figured, look, we could get charged with something.
		So let's bury our mistake, I guess, or bury our...
		Did you consider it a mistake at that point?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what I considered it.
		I just...
		Being cautious is more than anything.
		We didn't know what would happen or what would go on, and it was just better that we just bury it.
		We took a photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's the other question.
		You took...
		It says there are ten Polaroid photographs.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have those?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I don't have my three.
		They burned in my house, burned in 1979.
		My friends still have theirs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		They're still seven photographs out there somewhere.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you feel you could return to the area, the site where these creatures are buried?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I know exactly where they're buried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your only request is that you would have assistance if it came to legal trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't want to go to jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been a long time.
		You're coming forward now.
		What made you decide to come forward?
		I mean, even halfway forward.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I never told no one except my wife, and I told her about this probably a year and a half, two years ago.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And I guess the basic reason, I used to own every kind of weapon there was.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Been an ex-Marine, you know.
		What the heck.
		But after that happened, I don't even own a weapon anymore.
unidentified		It did something to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And I just...
unidentified		I don't know.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I was listening to y'all talking the other night, and everybody was kind of laughing about, you know, Bigfoot.
		Hey, it's real, buddy.
		All right, look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I propose to do.
		I will, with your permission, get you a telephone number that you can call if you want to.
		Now, I'm the only one who knows how to get hold of you right now.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		And you keep it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll keep it that way, I promise.
		What I will do is I'll contact the people at the Bigfoot Project.
		And if you want to proceed, I will then give you their number, and you can call them and take it a step at a time with them.
		How does that sound?
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds fine.
		But I'll tell you, I still have to talk to my other two friends.
		They no longer live here.
		One of them, well, let's put it this way.
		If I told you where they live, one of them lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't tell me.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		But they no longer live in this town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you know how to contact them, why don't you go...
		go ahead and do that and see if they feel the same way you do or not and we'll proceed from there bugs but it'll just it'll have to be unanimous with all of us all three of us will have to agree to it I understand I Look, I appreciate your coming forward.
		I'm sure you'll hear some comment about it.
		And I appreciate your telling the story.
		So all I can tell you is I will protect you.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you this much, Hart.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		The day I die, I will have a map where it's at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		I'm 51 years old now.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		So it's not going to last forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I've got to take off.
		Thank you very much, Bugs.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get a good night's sleep.
		You can.
		Well, there.
		Surprise, surprise, surprise.
		This is CBC.
		Here I go again, right in the middle of it.
		Man, wasn't that something?
		Well, listen, I took the opportunity to talk to somebody during the break who knows about shooters, hunters, and he said what you just heard was a real McCoy.
		I'm not a hunter.
unidentified		I'm not a significant shooter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a shooter.
		I've done a fair amount of it, but I don't hunt.
		I've never hunted, ever since I killed a squirrel when I was very young.
		But I think what you just heard was real.
		I thought the facts was real, and I thought what you just heard was real.
		So I don't know.
		That puts me seriously in the middle, but a promise is a promise.
		So I'll proceed exactly as I said I would.
		I don't know.
		What do you guys think?
		There are many of you out there, I know, who are far more familiar with hunters.
		And you listen to the story, as I did.
		What were your impressions?
		What have we got on our hands here?
		How would you proceed?
		Talk radio.
		Man, oh man.
		Incidentally, while we're on the subject of talk radio, a piece of news just came in from the wire service.
		I think it's probably Associated Press.
		And I'll read it to you as is.
		A man has been arrested for allegedly threatening radio personality Howard Stern.
		Police in New York say Samuel, it's C-A-L-L-E-A of Buffalo, Buffalo, New York, was waiting when Stern arrived this morning to do his radio program.
		He allegedly shouted, quote, I'm going to kick your ass.
		I'm going to kill you, end quote.
		Stern, the bodyguards, didn't know he had those, asked the person if he had a weapon.
		Police say he replied, yeah, got a shotgun in the trunk of my car.
		The bodyguards called police who arrested the man and issued him a summons charging weapons possession and criminal trespass.
		So Howard had a bit of a scare, I guess, today.
		Thought I'd pass that on.
		Talk radio is a strange, strange medium.
		And it's the kind of place where anything can happen, as was just demonstrated.
		I don't know, you tell me.
		What do you think we've got here?
unidentified		Thank you.
		This is an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		You're listening to a compilation of definitive Art Bell.
		Art returns to the studio live this Monday night, Tuesday morning.
		And now, the absolute best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mark in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mark.
unidentified		I had a question for you about your Cusco bumper music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		There's a piece you've been playing for about the last two and a half years I've been listening to you.
		And it starts out with a pounding drum beat.
		And it's not the one that was just on.
		And I was wondering if you could tell me what the name of that one was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Africa.
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called Africa.
unidentified		Africa.
unidentified		And which of the albums is that on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's called Africa, so obviously if you go into a music store and look through the albums, that's what I'm going to look for.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thanks, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, sir.
		It might be Permac 2.
		That's just kind of an off-the-hip guess.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ron in Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Ron.
unidentified		I got a couple questions.
		My understanding on this guy with the Bigfoot issue is they were out at 2 o'clock in the morning when they first saw this.
		Why are they hunting at 2 o'clock in the morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were hunting for money.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were actually out killing for money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you listen to it?
unidentified		I was getting bits and pieces of it.
unidentified		My station drifts in and out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		I see.
		How did the tone of the story sound to you?
unidentified		Well, it sounded realistic.
		I guess I'm just concerned with the responsibility of these hunters.
		Shooting at something that they haven't identified kind of gives sportsmen a bad name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were out in the woods and you saw something down on its haunches and it was gigantic and hairy, I guess based on that much, I mean, that's not a human being, in your estimation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, I don't know what to think here, and I'm not sure how to proceed, but it sounds to me like they may have shot two Bigfoot.
unidentified		Well, that's the impression I got.
		I guess I just don't see this being very responsible sportsmen out there shooting at something that you don't haven't identified.
		It didn't sound like it was being a threat to them at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, a lot of sportsmen.
		Yeah, but sir, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
		A lot of sportsmen take down game that is not a threat to them.
unidentified		That's what they're shooting at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, all of that aside, I mean, that is fine.
		Not responsible.
		Maybe not.
		I don't know.
		But I would think that if you saw something that was fully hairy, that your presumption, without clothes, your presumption certainly would be that it was not a human being.
		And I'm not going to sit here and defend the morality of taking a shot or of his taking the shot, nor am I going to criticize it.
		What I wanted to get mostly now from y'all is a sense of the story.
		In other words, did you believe it?
		I happen to think it's true.
		I believe it.
		I think we've got somebody here who took down a couple of Bigfoot or something like a Bigfoot.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		I was listening to the story about the guy that supposedly shot Bigfoot with a couple.
		And I do believe him because my father used to travel a lot.
		He was a truck driver.
		And he had told me one time that he thought there was an animal on the side of the road, which he thought was a deer.
		It was crouched down.
		He's seen the eyes, you know, like a deer with headlights, would hit the eyes.
		And then it got up and walked on its two feet.
		And it was around seven foot tall.
		And matter of fact, from that day on, he was an avid Bigfoot fan.
		Jimmy, he, you know, bought magazines and researched on his own a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would drive you to that, I'm sure.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		The story just unfolded correctly.
		I thought, you know, I'm not a hunter, so I can't judge that aspect.
unidentified		Well, I'm not a hunter either, but if you shot something like that that was close to human, half human, and reasonably half ape, you would probably react the same way they did, too.
		I would think, I'd be scared to death.
		I'd probably bear the thing, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I said the other night.
unidentified		And then coming forward, he has to prove himself now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, that's right.
unidentified		He follows up on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		That's exactly right.
		And I might have done the same thing.
		And I might have taken the shot, too.
		I don't know.
		I'm not a hunter.
		I guess I wouldn't have because I wouldn't be out there hunting.
		But I don't know.
		To me, the story had, you know, layman me.
		It had the ring of truth to it.
		Now, what I would like to hear from is some hunters.
		I mean, you guys speak the language.
		Was this guy...
		Sure does make me feel in the middle of this.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Who's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are you expecting?
unidentified		Arbel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bingo?
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		I already turned it off, sir.
unidentified		I'd never believe I would get on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well?
unidentified		I've been listening to your show for like about six months, and I think you're a real good announcer.
		About the Bigfoot?
		Are you guys still talking about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever you want, sir.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Well, I believe that guy to start to, that other guy that talked about that story about UFOs.
		I beg your pardon?
		Yeah, about a couple nights ago.
		I'm a little bit excited, though.
		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not allowed to use your last name on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I just had to take all that out.
		So let's start again.
		Your name is Joe?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all we need, is just your first name.
unidentified		Oh, yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you listened to the story that man told, didn't you?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		Well, I think it's 100% believable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever done any hunting?
unidentified		No, but I got a friend that does, and I'm going to tell him about it.
unidentified		I'm going to tell him about it tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		We'll look forward to that.
		I want to hear from some hunters.
		That's one of the only ways I can quantify this story.
		I'm just a layperson in this area, and to me, it sounded legit.
		But I'd like to hear from some hunters.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, my name is Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Paul.
unidentified		And I'd like to read you something here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Read me?
		Please don't.
		What is it concerned?
unidentified		Well, it's civil rights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Civil rights?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to read us our civil rights?
unidentified		Well, it's kind of like a law that enforces our civil rights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a law that enforces our civil rights.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you want to read this to us?
unidentified		Well, let the people know that they have...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Civil rights.
unidentified		...right to enforce a law that will keep people from taking their civil rights.
		A law that will...
		Well, it's true, but this is out of the law books, Crime and Punishment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much, but we don't read on the air.
		If you want to have a discussion about something, you're welcome to do it.
		But I have found generally when people read on the air, it just doesn't work out.
		I think most people are aware of what rights they have.
		As a matter of fact, people are very aware of the rights they have.
		Not so aware of the responsibilities that should come with them.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Thoroughly enjoyed your book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
		Oh, my book?
		You liked it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		It's the new Mother Nature she's taken over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the new Mother Nature?
unidentified		The one that's going to get us all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to get us all?
		Doomsday?
		The end of the line.
unidentified		We've got a long time for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The end of the line?
unidentified		We've got a long time for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
unidentified		We're all worrying for nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Strange.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, sorry about that.
unidentified		Just wanted to call about this Bigfoot thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, I have a hard time believing it.
unidentified		I have to agree with the gentleman who called in and said he couldn't, if it was given to sportsmen a bad name shooting what they weren't sure they were at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that is not the issue.
unidentified		The issue is whether or not If these all are the hunters they claim to be, I don't believe they would have shot something without identifying it first.
unidentified		So that throws the bond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But wait a minute now.
		He did identify it to the degree that it was in a crouch.
		It had a totally hairy body.
		It didn't look fully human.
		Now, that's pretty animal-like.
unidentified		Okay, well, I came into the story late, so if you could maybe clarify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you didn't hear it.
unidentified		Yeah, if you could maybe clarify one.
unidentified		I heard the last part of his call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
		Well, then thank you for the call.
		But obviously, you're not going to be able to reasonably comment on it.
		I swear I'd play it back if I had the ability to do that.
		I should have recorded it so I could do exactly that.
		Darn.
		Well, we do have it, of course, at the network, and it could be played back from there, but not tonight as the recording continues.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		This is Mike from Flint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Michigan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm going to reserve a comment on the Bigfoot thing until I hear a little more.
		This is kind of a strange story that I read in one of the tabloids, but it was sort of off the wall that there is an element of truth to it, I think, because it involves Sure.
		I don't know if maybe some of your listeners have heard this, but their bass player after the group broke up or whatever was some sort of a computer wizard.
		And evidently, just a couple of years ago, I mean, I guess he made quite a decent amount of money.
		A couple of years ago, according to this article, he came upon some, worked out some sort of program on this computer, some sort of big deal.
		They didn't really explain it too well.
		I'm hoping maybe somebody out there will know.
		But evidently it involved faster, this is what it said, faster than light communication, which is pretty bizarre.
		You know, faster than light, anything is pretty bizarre.
		But this then, evidently now the guy is missing.
		He's the, you know, that was the main crux of the story was that he was missing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vanished?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A victim of his own new calculations, perhaps?
unidentified		Possibly.
		Evidently he left a message on his phone machine saying that he was going to kill himself.
		So maybe, or I don't know if he has anything ever turned up somewhere?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody has found the body.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said nobody has found the body.
unidentified		No, they it's he like I said, he may have even just came up not missing anymore.
unidentified		I was wondering maybe somebody out there knows a little more about this than I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, weird story.
		We'll check it out with some others.
		Thank you.
		I have no idea.
		Interesting concept.
		Faster than light communications accomplished with something that communicates roughly at the speed of light or just below it.
unidentified		Huh.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if there would be a way to accomplish that through computation.
		Not as wild as you might imagine.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Skye in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Skye.
unidentified		Yes, I'm going to call up for input on the for bugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I find it more believable than not.
		By what margin, I'm not sure.
		And I'll tell you why.
		One, I myself am a hunter.
		I've been a sniper before also.
		He did sound to know exactly what he's talking about as far as the firearms, especially when he was speaking about the 300.
		That is definitely something that can reach out and touch someone.
		The way he described everything and just what weapons were doing to the creature would make sense.
		And just the sound of his voice, like it was an actual experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It hit me that way, too.
unidentified		There's something else that also, I don't know if you can allow the time for this.
		I've tried to get through before with your Halloween show or Truth of Trash.
		But a related story is, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Falk Monster or the Honey Island Swamp Monster down in this area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
		I'll tell you what, though.
		I will put you on hold, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to have to sit for a while.
		Just relax.
		Let me do a little work here, and we'll get to those stories.
		Have you ever heard of the St. Gaudens Double Eagle?
		It's a coin.
		It's a gold coin.
		It was commissioned to be designed by President Teddy Roosevelt in 1907, and it is beautiful.
		It's also just about one solid ounce of gold.
		Are you confident which way the market's going to go?
		Not me.
		I have No idea.
		And so I'm hedging my bet, as you should, with some gold.
		And here's a wonderful opportunity because gold is at a wonderful price right now.
		And when it was at the very best price, it's actually climbing again.
		When it was at the best price, David Hall's North American Trading bought a whole bunch of MS62 graded St. Gauden's Double Eagle coins.
		That's MS62 graded by PCGS.
		So you know what you've got.
		And they're offering a one-time deal.
		They're selling these coins until these coins are gone at their cost.
		And I know it seems like madness, but it is not.
		It's the one potato theory that once you have one, you want more, and they know you will, and you will.
		But it's a heck of a deal, even if it's only one.
		One per family.
		That's the rule, and they really mean it.
		They're $445 each, plus $9 shipping.
		And the number to call is 1-800-359-4255.
		That's 1-800-359-4255.
		Do you work 9-5, the grind, every day?
		Looking forward to nothing but the weekends?
		How would you like to free yourself from that?
		Can be done.
		Man named Ken Roberts did it.
		You can do it too.
		He can teach you.
		That's what he does now.
		He teaches people how to invest in commodities.
		And I know the media has made commodities kind of a dirty word for a lot of people.
		And in fact, more people lose money than make it in commodities.
		But Ken Roberts, a multi-millionaire himself, can teach you how to do what he has done.
		And he does that.
		It's a no-risk approach.
		As you learn, you invest on paper.
		And when you're finally convinced yourself, utterly convinced that you're losing money by not using money, you graduate and away you go.
		30 minutes to one hour every day.
		That's it, folks.
		That's how it works.
		Call them.
		Absolutely no obligation.
		The report, the audio tape, all free.
		Call them.
		Don't you want to know?
		It could change your life.
		The number is 1-888-GOLD K-R-C.
		That's 1-888-G-O-L-D-K-R-C.
		Give it a try.
		A lot of my listeners have, and a lot of my listeners have made a lot of money.
		Now, this came from a tabloid of some kind?
unidentified		No, not a tabloid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		There's a long time been floating around stories about what is called the Honey Island Swamp Monster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
		Well, the Bigfoot.
		By the way, is your radio on, sir?
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I did turn it back on during the review.
		Turn it off.
		It is off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is this monster?
unidentified		There's been numerous reportings, which is basically a Bigfoot-type creature with an incredibly foul stench.
		And the Honey Island swamp is right along the border of Louisiana, Mississippi area in the Pearl River area.
		And like I said, for several, several years, you hear different stories coming through about people, you know, hunters, trappers, people out crawl fishing or what have you, coming across creatures that look, you know, basically a Bigfoot type description.
		And the same came from the falc area of Arkansas, which is in the lower, well, the southwest corner around the Texas Arkana area.
		And what has been strange, some people have reported coming across footprints, oddly enough, with a three-toe signature instead of a normal five-toe, which has always been associated with the Bigfoot.
		But like I say, there have been different stories floating around the swamp areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there have been so many reports that I'm fairly convinced there is something out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This man's story that I heard a little while ago, what did you think of it, sir?
unidentified		Well, like I say, if I had a guess, I would say, you know, 60%, you know, maybe a little better or more believable than not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Than not.
		All right, I would agree with that.
		Thank you very, very much for the call.
		And that's, I guess, my assessment, too.
		About 60% or a little better.
		In other words, I lean toward believing it, amazing as it is.
		I'm really glad he called.
		I'm glad that you all got to hear it.
		I don't know that I'm glad I'm in the middle of this right now, because I think I believe it.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and good morning across all these many time zones from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands all the way east across this great land to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Bowl worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Well, well, well, we're going to get in lots of trouble tonight, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a lot of neat guests coming up, and I just have a surprise guest for you tonight.
unidentified		Subject the chupacabra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've got a million taxes and emails here.
		Dear Art, we saw a report about the goatsucker or chupacabra on our local NBC Channel 4 news today out of Los Angeles.
		The news anchors, Ken and Barbie, did not seem amused.
		Looks like some fairly serious stuff.
		See you on the radio.
		Regards, Bill.
		Or here we go again right now, 6.20 p.m.
		CBS Affiliate, Channel 2.
		There is a long report about the Chupacabras saying that there have been accounts all over the outskirts of Los Angeles now where dead animals like chickens and rabbits have been showing up by the dozens with two puncture marks in various parts of their bodies.
		No blood on the ground.
		In fact, no blood.
		No signs of struggle.
		My skin is crawling.
		This is getting a little too close to home.
		That's from an archaeologist in Los Angeles.
		Or Art just got done watching the 6 o'clock news on Channel 2.
		CBS did a long-term segment on Chupacapra or the Goat Sucker.
		They showed dead goats, chickens, other various animals.
		This story from Mexico City.
		Reuters, a giant bat-like creature, is terrorizing a village in a northern Mexican state where goats are found dead daily with their blood sucked dry.
		Poor farmers from a village there have formed nighttime vigilante squads to track down the flying beast that has been dubbed the goatsucker.
		We are telling people to keep the women and children locked up and inside at night.
		This is real.
		There's something out there.
		All right, to Princeton University in New Jersey we go.
		And to Hector or Tito Armstrong.
		Hector, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Hark.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		What would you prefer to be called, Hector or Tito?
unidentified		Actually, I'll go by my nickname, which is Tito.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tito.
		All right, Tito.
		Welcome to the program.
		You are from Puerto Rico, right?
unidentified		Yes, that's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's begin this way.
		What the hell is this thing, and what does it look like?
		Can you describe it as best you can without being able to show people a picture?
		If you just close your eyes and describe it, what does this creature look like?
unidentified		Okay, well, according to most eyewitness accounts or most reports, this creature supposedly has the shape of a small kangaroo, but is sort of reptilian in nature with two large red eyes.
		And so basically it would look like a cross between a small kangaroo and a small dinosaur.
		That's, I think, the best way to describe it.
		And it has allegedly some spines growing out of its back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to ask you about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looks scaly on its back.
unidentified		Exactly, yes.
		And then it basically looks very typically gray alien in nature with regards to its head.
		And then the body then looks sort of like kangarooish with a tail in the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can this thing fly?
unidentified		Allegedly it can.
		I mean, there have been some reports that it can fly.
		But I mean, obviously, due to the nature of this, that hasn't been confirmed in any way yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		All right.
		Then I began to hear reports about South America.
		Then I started to hear reports about Mexico.
		And in the last couple days, suddenly, Los Angeles, even Oregon, the U.S. West Coast.
		How can this thing be spreading so quickly?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I think the most logical thing to assume is that this sort of thing has been going on already for a while.
unidentified		And it's only because of the exposure of the Chupacabra or the name Chupacabra in Puerto Rico that people started to link the name to these sort of happenings that have been going on for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, wait a minute.
		I'm not sure about that, Hector or Tito.
		I'm sorry.
		We'll call you Tito.
		Tito, because I watch the news very carefully for things like this, and we have not been getting reports other than an occasional cattle mutilation of chickens and goats with the blood drained from their bodies and two marks on the outside and four marks on the inside.
		We've not been getting those reports.
		This is fairly recent.
unidentified		Okay, well, then that means that this something stranger is going on.
unidentified		I mean, my explanation would sound logical, but I guess that if we haven't been hearing about stuff like that, then this is even more mysterious than we previously had thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Which is very interesting indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and it seems to be spreading quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had to make a guess, or maybe I had to ask you, Tito, what is the best guess about where this thing comes from?
unidentified		I would hesitate to hazard a guess, but basically the consensus, if there is any, seems to be that this is something that is not native to the Earth.
		I mean, however strange that sounds.
		I think regarding everything that's been going on, that's our best bet.
		And then if we go from there, then I mean, then we go from there.
		But this is definitely something that hasn't been seen before.
		And everything about it, even its attacks, the way it does this, samples that have been collected of the creature itself point to something that hasn't been seen, that is not native to the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not native to the Earth.
unidentified		Which, I mean, by that I mean that, for example, the chemical composition of blood samples taken have not been able to be classified in any way.
		And even the way that this creature attacks animals hasn't been seen before.
		So that's basically what I mean by this.
		It is something totally new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the theories I get, Tito, are that it may have come through a veil, through an opening from another dimension.
		It may be something new.
		Maybe it's something from one of our labs.
		You know, we're doing a lot of genetic tampering about these days.
		So you think, though, that it comes from Off-world?
unidentified		Well, I mean, basically, one of the major theories is, of course, related to the alien theory, especially alien cross-breeding experiments.
		That's a pretty popular theory currently.
		And it posits that this creature was created and then somehow either let loose or some other thing in Puerto Rico and elsewhere.
		And then this creature has become a native species to the earth then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it began in Puerto Rico?
unidentified		I'm really not so sure.
		I mean, I think, I mean, due to the very big exposure it got in Puerto Rico and the many animals that were found, I'd have to hazard a guess that at least this type of creature, this type of chupacabra did start in Puerto Rico.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what seemed to begin as a taste for chicken and goats recently seems to have turned to a taste for humans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's reports now of human beings being attacked.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		And if, I mean, if one assumes that this creature is a species and it exhibits normal species characteristics, which it means that it breeds or it, I mean, that there's more than one, then I guess it would be inevitable for it to have more and more contact with human beings and then and interaction or altercation is inevitable then.
		But I don't think that necessarily means that the chupacabra is ready to, or is starting to attack humans per se.
		But then again, I mean, I would be on my guard just in case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't want to meet one.
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell me about what happened in Puerto Rico?
		It's all been very sketchy.
		A gal who's on my Dreamland show, Linda Howe, has gone to Puerto Rico and looked for this creature.
		Now, I don't think I would do that.
		I don't want to hunt up this creature and hope it doesn't hunt me up.
		But what has it done in Puerto Rico?
		What is documented?
unidentified		Well, basically, there have been documented cases of basically animals being found drained of their blood in Puerto Rico, probably thousands of animals over the past year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thousands?
unidentified		Yeah, probably the Los Thousands.
		There hasn't been an official count, probably because the government doesn't really take this very seriously.
		They're basically keeping their distance, and it's basically been the local people who have taken it upon themselves to basically either be on their guard or try to look for this thing.
		And they have organized a lot of searches for it, and they've come up with nothing so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, sucking blood, sucking all the blood from a victim, is a either bat or vampire-like thing.
		And could this be a variation of a bat?
		There are blood-sucking bats, right?
unidentified		Yes, it's totally possible.
		And due to the fact that a lot of people have reported that this thing flies, then that gives credence to that hypothesis.
		However, I mean, the way that vampire bats work, I mean, since they're so small, then they only suck out very little blood out of their victims.
		They definitely don't drain them dry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		And especially since there's only been observed maybe two puncture marks in most of the victims, most of the animal victims, then that either means that if it is a bat, it's a very big one and it's something totally new and which may exhibit the characteristics of a bat but couldn't be called a bat per se.
unidentified		But that definitely enters into the whole, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big do you think this creature is?
unidentified		People have said that this creature is about maybe four feet tall, maybe smaller.
unidentified		That's basically been the consensus out of the many people who have seen this face to face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you, with all your interest in chupacabra, had an opportunity to go home to Puerto Rico or even here in the States and come face to face with one, would you do it?
unidentified		Would I do?
		I mean, if you're not sure, you would, huh?
		Yeah, it sounds like something very, you know, that I would like to do.
		If there had been reports of the chupacabra or a chupacabra-like creature attacking humans, that I'd definitely not consider it.
		But I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't be alone.
		And I'll tell you another thing, I wouldn't be totally without any sort of any means of protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a religious person, Tito?
unidentified		Not really.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many religious people who would say this is a manifestation of the devil on earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And certainly some of what it does is pretty devilish.
unidentified		I would guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put it mildly.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Tito Armstrong in Princeton.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I am calling from outside of Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maryland.
		All right.
		Speak up good and loud so we can hear you and go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, I am calling.
unidentified		I have some reference to the Chupacabra incident which you're referring to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		In 1983, a marine diving expedition into the deep ocean approximately 525 miles southeast of Miami located some eggs that you would call them that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eggs.
		Yeah.
		Chupacabra eggs.
unidentified		I don't know if it would be chupacabra.
		However, they were brought back and researched.
		The creature that was found was winged when it came out, apparently due to the release of the pressure from being approximately 6,000 feet underwater.
		Its wingspan totals approximately 2 meters.
		Are there photographs of this?
		There are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have access to them?
unidentified		I do not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Tito Armstrong at Princeton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Uh, hi.
unidentified		Uh, yeah, you're talking about the Chupa Compra?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
unidentified		Yeah, um, the uh bite marks, you know, two bite marks.
unidentified		Uh, has anyone mentioned that that's uh very similar to the legendary vampire bite marks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you know what, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um Linda Howe has been looking at this for some time, and there are two bite marks on the exterior of the skin, but when they do an autopsy, and Linda's had several done, they find inside four marks.
unidentified		Four marks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four marks inside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now try and figure that one out.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would go in with two and then multiply when it gets in?
unidentified		That's a good question.
unidentified		The only thing is, you know, in the Legend of Vampires, we had no autopsies done on supposed victims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		He says, yeah, I saw that.
		So I'm telling you this because I'm not the only, you know, they saw.
		And when I heard you talking about that Lachupacabra, it just, you know, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right, how you doing?
		Okay.
		This is Mike from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I want to call him for a chupacabra encounter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That down in Puerto Rico.
		I was currently previously in the Navy, and we were stationed down there for reasons I don't need to get into.
		And there was a time when there was a lot of rain, and there was a flood in Ponce, and we were walking down the road, and all of a sudden the chupacabra jumped out of the ground, and it jumped into the front of us.
		And we proceeded to circle the chupacabra, and it spun around our circles and started hissing at us, and this and that and everything else.
		We didn't quite know what it was.
		And there were some Puerto Rican nationals around there that saw us encounter this thing and ran over and told us to get away from it because it's a bloodsucker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Miss Bell.
		Hi.
		I had a kind of a folklore story from the Philippines.
		It has to do kind of with the Chuca Cabra type thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Over in the Philippines, they have what's called the Monangal.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
unidentified		It's kind of a vampire-like creature where it at night leaves the lower half of the body in the room, flies out the window, go around the land taking young children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Anyway, I heard about this down at language school in psychological operations for the Army.
		And they talked about how the CIA back, I don't know, I think it was in the 70s, used to do, they used to grab people, the rebels, they grab one of the guys and take him off and kill him, drain out his blood, and leave him.
		That's kind of a psychological type thing.
		So I don't know how much truth there is to it, but it's kind of an interesting story.
		They finished in folklore, and as you said, there's no way there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem is, at the moment, it's not.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't want to see one of these things.
		I don't want to meet one of them.
		I wouldn't try to catch one.
		And if I saw one, well, I'd ruin.
unidentified		Turn tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've got it.
		Turntail.
		That's right.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Deborah in Columbia, South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Deborah.
unidentified		I was thinking about your recent show in the Philadelphia experiment and the cloaking process that the gentleman said he could reproduce.
		And it reminded me of the chupacabra being able to appear and disappear.
		And I wonder if during these experiments they've maybe opened some kind of door and let something in they didn't know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's entirely possible.
unidentified		Well, thanks, Sartusher.
		Enjoy your show.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
		It is absolutely open to speculation at this point.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Don in Fort Dodge, Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I'm calling about the Chupacabra.
		Okay.
		And I see you brought the topic of monster baiting again this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as it relates to a goat.
unidentified		That could very well be the way to tame the savage beast, but you could go blind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Linda Howe would make good monster bait, actually, if you want to know the truth.
		I don't know whether you've seen picture Linda Howe, but she'd make great monster bait, low-cut blouse, send her into the swamp in Puerto Rico.
		That'd be it.
unidentified		That's monster baiting material, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, sir.
		Guess what, everybody?
		It is confirmed.
		I just spoke to the newsroom at KENS in San Antonio.
		It's confirmed.
unidentified		This song is silly, but you see we really got ya.
		Like carrying the lambamba or the hokey-chook-oraca.
		We started a sensation about a creature that is a hallucination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
		And all you hear this.
		Now, I'm going to ask you to do me a favor and not call the KENS Television Newsroom.
		But I just did on the advice of a listener because they confirmed it.
		Here is the first report I got.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Derek in San Antonio.
		And I thought you'd want to know that KENS Television has obtained photographs of a chupacabra captured in a trap just south of San Antonio.
		A rancher took photos of the beast and brought them to us.
		He claims there were three, one in the trap and two others jumping up and down as they ran when he approached.
		I will try my best to describe the photos for you.
		The creature is about as long as a human leg, hasty white, has ridges on its back like a dragon.
		It has two front legs and two rear legs, and at the end of each, two tiny offshoots that I would not call fingers, but I wouldn't call them paws either.
unidentified		Almost claw-looking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can see teeth on the thing, which is draped across the ground in an arc.
		The farmer says some men saw him showing the creature and took it, saying they would have it stuffed.
		He claims to know where the body is, and we are investigating.
		I'll be happy to send you a copy of our story if you'd like it, or send you a video of the Polaroid pictures.
		Contact me at he gives me a number.
		I thought you'd like this information.
		Well, I read that, as I do many things I get.
		Then I got this.
		Art, I just got off the phone with someone at the KENS television station, and she confirmed the story.
		She said the creature has been taken to Austin for further analysis.
		They have the video, but they cannot yet release it.
		The phone number for the newsroom is blah, blah, blah, if you want to call them.
		And I did during the news break.
unidentified		She confirms it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's all I can tell you at this hour.
		They have a chupacabra.
		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be, and welcome to the best in live overnight talk radio from the Tahitian Hawaiian Island chains in the West, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north, well to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Hello, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lots of stuff going on.
		I'm going to interview a man that was on Dreamland and was interviewed by Linamont Howe yesterday.
		And it is a most remarkable hair raising story.
		This man was a military officer down about 40 feet in a launch cubicle.
		We'll find out what they're really called here.
		At any rate, he's got a story to tell that is absolutely amazing.
		You know, the armed services have always said the U.S. government has said it back after Project Blue Book.
		And after just about, well, I don't know how many years of investigation of UFOs, the official statement has always been that UFOs represent no threat to United States national security.
		I'm not so sure that is a true statement, and we will explore it shortly.
		Now, to Robert Asalis.
		Robert, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, am I pronouncing your name correctly?
unidentified		Yes, you are, Art.
		All right.
		Thank you for having me on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm happy to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, are you, you were in what service, the Air Force?
unidentified		I was in the Air Force up until 1971.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until 71.
unidentified		Had a voluntary separation, resigned, and so I'm not, I haven't been in the Air Force since 1971.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you were an Air Force, what, officer?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What rank were you?
unidentified		Lieutenant?
		I was Lieutenant in 1967.
		When I resigned, I was a captain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What years were you stationed at Maelstrom?
unidentified		I was there from about August of 1966 until June of 1969.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you were there about three years.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you do there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's at Maelstrom?
unidentified		Well, Maelstrom has strategic missiles.
		They're responsible.
		Well, they did at that time.
		I'm just not sure what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, forget what's there now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about what was there then.
unidentified		Right.
		Basically, the Minuteman missile system.
		And that was the primary mission of Malstrom Air Force Base to maintain and monitor those weapon systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What can you tell us about the Minuteman?
		I know of the Minuteman, but I don't know the details.
		What is the Minuteman capable of doing?
unidentified		Well, again, this is back in 1967 because I certainly don't know anything about the current weapon systems.
		Sure.
		But back then, the Minuteman 1 missile system was an intercontinental ballistic missile, of course, nuclear warhead, and it could have reached targets that were.
		Well, again, I don't want to even talk about the range of the missiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		To say ICBM is to say that it could reach another continent, intercontinental ballistic missile.
		So it could have made it to the other side.
		These are the big bad ones.
		And you were stationed.
		What do you call the area down below?
		Is it a bunker?
unidentified		It's called the launch control.
		Well, the launch control center is the capsule that you were referring to that was located in it.
		And it's about 60 to 80 feet underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people man those things?
		Two?
		Two officers?
unidentified		Two officers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what we always see in the movies.
unidentified		Right, right.
		That's what it was then.
		And that's in the Minuteman system.
		The other weapon systems that we had, the Atlas, the I guess the Atlas, I'm not sure what the other ones were, but they may have had more than two, but we only had two down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is it the old picture, is it like in the movies, Robert, where you wear a gun, the other guy wears a gun, you've got to put in keys simultaneously and turn them?
		I mean, is the movie depiction of the way it is roughly correct?
unidentified		Again, we're talking back 1967 period time.
		Yeah, we wore weapons down there, and we had keys, and all of this I believe is public information.
		Correct.
		I've seen photographs of what the LCFs or LCCs look like down there, and they're very accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I'm going to try and ask you about, you know, if I refer to Hollywood, then you can either tell me something is right or wrong.
		I certainly don't want to ask you anything, and be very careful.
		Don't say anything that you ought not say.
		I am curious, and I've got to ask, before we get on to the body of the story here, I was always captivated, I guess is the right word, by the amount of responsibility that somebody like yourself would have had down in a launch command center.
		And what were the psychological pressures like?
		Is it that you are so trained that you would just automatically do what you're supposed to do?
		Or do you constantly, in your own mind, agonize over what you might have to do if your job description ever was called on?
unidentified		Well, I don't think we constantly agonized about it.
		But it was a dire responsibility, and we all understood what we had to do in the event we were given the order to launch our missiles because we understood why we had strategic weapons.
		We understood the necessity for them at the time.
		And so we wouldn't have hesitated to launch if ordered to.
		I don't believe there was a lot of stress involved with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a question, Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on a portable phone?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any chance we could get you on a regular one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of going, you know, as they do.
unidentified		Well, we have the radio on.
unidentified		I guess we could turn that off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		That's a good idea.
		That'll help.
unidentified		Marilyn, will you turn the radio off?
		Marilyn?
		Marilyn.
		All right.
		Well, it's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
		So there you are, day after day.
		How long were you stationed, so stationed that every day, and for how many hours every day would you be down there?
unidentified		We're down there for a 24-hour tour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		24 hours?
unidentified		Right.
		So we take turns with rest, you know, sleeping.
		But we'd have to be awake.
		One of us would have to be awake for that 24-hour period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the other could sleep, huh?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, we are getting some interference, Robert, from your portable phone.
		It's making some noise or something.
		Maybe you could get a little closer to the base.
unidentified		Okay, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The event that we're talking about now occurred where in that three-year period?
unidentified		Oh, it occurred in March 16th, actually, 1967.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		March 16th, 1967.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What exactly happened?
		Were you in the middle of a shift, or where were you?
unidentified		Right.
		This was toward the end of our shift in the morning.
		And I got one call first from my topside guard said he'd seen UFOs or lights, very strange lights up above the launch control facility there.
		And others had seen them, and they'd been watching them for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that was when they say above launch control, there would have been a perimeter to the base itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so this would have been within the perimeter of the base?
unidentified		No, we're not talking about on the Maelstrom Air Force Base.
		This is a launch control facility out away from the base.
		It's the facility where the launch control center is located.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and there must have been some sort of fence or some sort of something.
unidentified		There was a perimeter fence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perimeter fence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they were calling you from the base or?
unidentified		They were calling me from right above me, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right above you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you're underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got some guys above you.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they were seeing lights?
unidentified		They were seeing some very strange lights.
		And they didn't believe they were airplanes.
		And so he was just wanting to report that.
		And I didn't give it much attention, although he sounded very serious.
		He didn't sound like he was joking at all.
		But we hung up.
		And then about five, ten minutes later, he called back.
		And this time he was very frightened.
		I could tell by his voice he was very frightened, agitated.
		He said there was a UFO directly in front of the gate, the main gate of this facility upstairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would get your attention.
unidentified		Yes.
		It was hovering there.
		It was glowing red.
		He later told me it was somewhat disc-shaped, but he had a hard time getting a definite outline of the object.
		But it was very frightening.
		One of the guards, either in approaching it or trying to get away from it, was injured and had to be helicoptered out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Injured in what way?
unidentified		I'm having a difficult time remembering exactly what his injury was, but it was relatively a minor injury.
		It was either a slight burn or a cut or something like that.
		But I guess it was serious enough where they had to get him back to the base hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how he got that injury?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as a direct result of this object, or did he bump into something?
unidentified		No, it's kind of strange.
		When we were relieved later that morning and I went up and talked to him, the man that had been injured had already left and our helicopter was waiting for us to take us back because they wanted to debrief us right away.
		So I didn't have very much time to talk to this guard about any details of this injury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so anyway, somebody was injured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The object was there hovering.
unidentified		Somebody was injured.
		The object was up there hovering and the guard that had called me had to hang up and tend to this man that had been injured.
		So when he hung up, I woke up my commander.
		I was the deputy, and I woke him up and started talking about these phone calls, and all of a sudden our missiles started shutting down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your missiles started shutting down.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		In other words, they went no-go or off-alert, and they could not be launched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean that the system has detected that there is some sort of malfunction in the missile or in the mechanism that would launch it, something faulty, and so it begins an auto-shutdown?
unidentified		That's correct.
		That's basically that there was some problem within the system so that the missile could not be properly launched.
		And so the assistant warned us that the missile had gone off alert and not launchable.
		And this happened to at least my original recollection was that we lost just about all of them.
		But I recently contacted my commander, the fellow that was in command with me down there in the capsule.
		And he seemed to think we had lost five or so.
		And I seem to remember it was more than that.
		So we're both somewhere between five and ten missiles that we lost them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they go offline simultaneously, one after the other, over what kind of period of time can you remember?
unidentified		Yeah, in a very short period of time.
		They started shutting down sequentially.
		Not numerically sequentially, but one right after another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		How reliable, generally, are those missiles?
		I mean, in the rest of the time that you were there, how frequently would a missile shut down?
unidentified		That was a very, very unusual occurrence that any missile would shut down and go into a no-go condition for other than a power loss.
		And even in the power loss, we had automatic generators at the launch facilities that would pick up the power right away, and usually they'd come right back up.
		But more than one going down was unheard of.
		It just didn't happen.
		I never had that happen before since in the three years I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So five going down, there's no way that was a coincidence.
unidentified		No, that was extremely improbable, unusual.
		The system is designed so that a fault that affects one site does not infect another site, so to speak.
		Sure.
		They were not connected in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that would make absolute sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your commander, when this began to occur, what was his demeanor like?
unidentified		Well, we were all shook up.
		I mean, we were both shook up.
		We were shocked.
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		Robert Salas is my guest, and I would imagine by now we've got your attention.
		Do you remember reading about any of this in any newspapers back then?
		Ah, me either.
		Interesting.
		Stay right where you are.
		We'll let the rest of this story unwind.
		This is CBC.
		All right, back now to Washington and Robert Solace.
		Robert, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So here are your missiles.
		Five of your missiles were shutting down.
unidentified		At least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and at least in your commander, was, Well, we didn't really panic.
unidentified		We went ahead and followed our procedures, which was to report the incident.
		We asked that maintenance crews come out and get the missiles back up.
		We also sent out a security team to the sites to check and see what was going on out there.
		As a matter of fact, while one of our security teams was out at one of the launch sites, they also reported back seeing a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was at another launch site?
unidentified		Well, I'll get to that, but this was within our own launch complex.
		Like I said, we dispatched a team, a security team, to go out to the sites.
		And while one of them was out there, we got a report back from him that they had observed a UFO over one of our launch facilities.
		Now, again, soon after our missiles shut down, we received a call from another launch control facility, and this was EchoFlight.
		I was in, I believe it was November flight.
		But the Echo Flight crew called, or we called them.
		I don't remember which, but they told us that the same thing happened at their flight.
		In other words, except they did lose all ten of their missiles.
		Now, we've got this confirmed.
		We've got this in writing from the Air Force.
		Under a Freedom of Information Act request that we processed, we were able to retrieve what's called a unit history which outlined the loss of the 10 missiles at Echo Flight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, who filed this?
unidentified		Friend of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Friend of yours.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This, I take it, never made headlines anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, it would have made front page headlines all over the country.
unidentified		No, this was a classified incident.
		It was classified for a long time.
		As a matter of fact, it was only declassified when we requested information about a possibility of missiles shutting down.
		We didn't even mention UFOs.
		In our request, we mentioned to send us information about any times that they've had major shutdowns of these weapon systems.
		In this 1967 time period, and this is what we got back, and the incident, the EchoFlight incident was declassified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In time, how close was the EchoFlight incident to what you experienced?
unidentified		They both happened the same morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The same morning?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After this was all over, and you got to debriefing, what did they tell you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, did they say, look here, keep your mouth shut, or the equivalent thereof, or what did they say?
unidentified		Yes, it was classified.
		By the way, when we debriefed to our commander, he was just as shocked as we were at the incident.
		So I know it was not an exercise of any kind.
		We lost to alert at least 15 weapons.
		And that would not have been an exercise.
		I mean, we would not have deliberately been unable to launch 10 of our nuclear missiles just for some exercise.
		And we were never briefed or debriefed, actually, on anything that happened after that regarding this incident.
		But yes, it was a classified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the Great Cone of Silence descended after your debriefing.
		And you were told you simply could never talk about it?
		The United States has always maintained that UFOs are no threat to national security.
		Simple as that.
		As a matter of fact, that's how they closed out Project Blue Book with that statement.
		You know, whatever they are, they're not a threat to national security.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a lie.
unidentified		That was a lie.
		The Air Force made that statement in 1969, I believe.
		Matter of fact, I've got a copy of a letter or a statement that was made in that regard.
		And even in 1991, we have a cover letter from the Air Force that says that that is still the position of the Air Force, even in 1991.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you've had a lot of time, obviously, since this occurred to reflect on this.
		A UFO, 15 missiles shutting down, ICBMs.
		Any thoughts on what the message was, if there was one?
unidentified		Well, yes.
		To me, the message seemed clear that basically stay away from nuclear weapons or at least try to get rid of your nuclear weapons.
		That seemed to be the message because that was the only direct impact from these sightings.
		they shut these missiles down and that was about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well I'm going to raise the hair on the back of your neck right now because in a similar time frame, about two years ago, 2020 ran a story on a Russian ICBM missile silo, an incident in which a UFO hovered over that facility and put some of their missiles into launch mode.
		It actually began to go into launch mode all by itself.
		And after the incident, it ended up not launching, the Russians had the whole, you know, all the consoles torn apart.
		They tore apart the entire facility and never found anything that was wrong.
		But this thing went into launch sequence.
		Now, the timeframe, if not exactly the same, was very similar.
		And it's blood-curdling enough to think about our missiles shutting down, but it's even a little more worrisome to worry about ours shutting down while theirs go into launch sequence.
unidentified		Yes, that is pretty frightening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In addition, I believe there were sightings in South Dakota before the program tonight from a man in South Dakota who said, you know, he was worried that he couldn't talk about this either.
		He said in South Dakota, and I don't know exactly, I've never really personally seen a blast door, but he said they're gigantic and very heavy.
		They weigh tons.
		And he said, one was missing, just simply came up missing, and that's absolutely impossible.
		It's not something you throw into the back of a pickup and haul away.
unidentified		Right.
		Right.
		But there's also a missile base in South Dakota.
		And my understanding is that there were sightings similar to ours, although I have not heard of an incident such as ours occurring there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you corresponded with your commander at the time or anybody else?
unidentified		Yes, I've corresponded with my commander at the time and also the commander and the deputy commander of the Echo flight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are their reflections about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do they feel about the way you do?
unidentified		Well, I think one of them does feel the same way I do about getting this out there in the public and making an appeal to the Air Force to come clean on this thing.
		The others, I think, were career Air Force people and may be a little shy about talking about it, but they weren't shy with me, and we discussed all of these things.
		And all of what I'm telling you really is a composite of what we all agreed occurred on that day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is something the American people certainly should know about.
		We still have missiles.
		They are aimed, I don't know where, maybe in the water temporarily or something, but the fact of the matter is we still have them, and so do the Russians.
		And I think that until they're all destroyed and that day may never come, we will always have this hanging over us, maybe to a lesser degree, but it'll always be hanging over us, and that something like this could happen.
		Well, you know what?
		I understand, frankly, that they would not have told the American people about this.
		How do you feel about that?
		At least at the time.
unidentified		How did I feel at the time, or how do I feel now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now.
		In other words, when you look back at the moment that it occurred, would you have seen that information released to the public?
		And if it had been, what do you think the reaction would have been?
unidentified		Well, I certainly didn't quite understand when we were told not to even discuss this with our spouses.
		Why?
		I mean, this was just what we were told.
		We went ahead and followed orders.
		And we hardly even talked about it among ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the public's reaction aside, Robert, imagine that our people, our national security people, our military, our Pentagon, would not exactly like the Russians to know that our missiles were getting shut down.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I can understand why they would not make it public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a lot of years have gone by, but you've got to wonder if that sort of thing is still going on today.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, the point is the public needs to be involved in the debate as to what we ought to do about this.
		In other words, if we have been visited by these objects from this planet, the public ought to be able to enter into the debate as to exactly what we ought to do about it.
		It should not be in the hands of a small group of military intelligentsia or whoever has this information, and they can do pretty much what they want about it, whatever It is.
		If this is a threat to all of us, we ought to know about it and be able to debate it and talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could not agree more.
		I could not agree more.
		Certainly, we ought to have a public debate.
		At least we ought to know if they really are visiting us.
		I would like to know, I'm sure a lot of other people out there would like to know, and if they have the ability to, in effect, shut down our ICBMs to convey a message that you ought not be doing this sort of thing, if that's what the message was, then yes, the public ought to know about it and they ought to be able to chew it over a little bit and see what they decide.
		What are you going to do?
		You've done an interview with Linda.
		Now you've done one with me.
		How are you going to proceed in trying to get this public?
unidentified		Well, I've also done one with sightings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sightings?
unidentified		And that should be aired probably around the first part of next year.
unidentified		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're out ahead of sightings.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, the documents that you got back from the Freedom of Information request that you made, are those available?
unidentified		Well, I've got the documents.
unidentified		I could send you a copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would appreciate that.
		Because a lot of people are going to want to see it.
		Put it up on the web.
		Let everybody take a look.
		That would be one good way to proceed.
		In other words, that is good documentary evidence that this occurred.
unidentified		Yeah, let me read you just one part of the document that I received.
		This is the only mention of UFOs.
		It says, rumors of unidentified flying objects around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven.
		A mobile strike team, which had checked all November flights' LFs on the morning of 16 March, were questioned and stated that no unusual activity or sightings were observed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, this is just one paragraph, the only paragraph that mentions anything about UFOs in this unit history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you account for that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, people did see them.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And so this is just a plain indication that the Air Force was covering this whole thing up.
		And this document was classified.
		And even in this classified document, they were covering up the fact that many, many airmen saw these UFOs.
		And these UFOs were reported to us, officers in the capsules.
		And we reported them to our commanders.
		And at no time were our stories disproven in any way.
		So what else can I say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another avenue of underlining what you've said here would be to get some of the others to come forward.
unidentified		Yes, and I'd like to make an appeal to anybody that's listening that might have been present and saw these UFOs during this time period during this incident.
unidentified		If they could contact me or through you, I'd like to hear from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What about your commander and some of the others at Echo Flight, for example?
		Have you spoken with them?
		Are they willing to come forward?
unidentified		Well, I'm going to leave that up to them.
		I gave that information on how to contact them to Linda.
		And so I'll just leave it up to them if they want to come forward on this or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Linda's going to go ahead and contact them and see if they wish to.
unidentified		I assume she is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine that this is still going on?
		In other words, do you think this was just an isolated incident?
		Or in your imagination, do you imagine this has gone on for years?
unidentified		Frankly, I think it has gone on for years.
		As a matter of fact, even around the Malmstrom or Great Falls area, there have been quite a few sightings.
		Even after ours, I think in 1975, there was another flap of sightings.
		So yes, I think this has happened since our incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One thing I never asked you was the technical follow-up.
		In other words, I'm sure after this incident, they did as the Russians did and probably ripped things apart looking for what could be wrong.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they find?
unidentified		They found nothing.
		They could not determine a definitive cause for these shutdowns.
		I talked to a couple of the Boeing engineers that did investigate this incident and they told me they did all kinds of electrical checks and tests and electromagnetic tests.
		And they checked out the guidance and control computers at the launch control facilities.
		Anything that might have had an impact in shutting these things down or in terms of connectivity, they checked out and they could not determine a definitive cause.
		So as far as they're concerned and they were the ones that were investigating this thing, they were at least part of the team that was investigating this.
		They could not determine a cause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, the bottom line is clearly there was or is a threat to national security from UFOs, and it's time that we got the truth.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Robert, I really, really want to thank you for coming on.
		I appreciate it.
		I'm glad we were able to tell the story.
		And if you could send me a copy of that Freedom of Information response, I will definitely get it up on the website For all to see.
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, thank you.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		That's Robert Salas.
		And you just heard a man who lived down in the Command Launch Center near Maustra and had at least five of his intercontinental ballistic missiles shut down by an object that hovered right over the facility.
		And then another at least 10 missiles, or all the missiles, at what was called E-Flight.
		Now, that is quite a remarkable revelation when you sit and think about it.
		Not a threat to national security, huh?
		My foot.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am, and we are going to do a follow-up to what we just did.
		Now, for the last hour, for those of you that have missed it, we have talked with Robert Sullis up in the Seattle area, who many years ago, on actually, I believe it was March 16th, 1967, was sitting down in a launch control facility for a Minuteman site near Maelstrom.
		A UFO hovered over that launch facility and began shutting down intercontinental ballistic missiles, at least five, where my guest was.
		He was an officer there, typical sidearm, that sort of thing.
		Shut down five of our ICBMs.
		Then, another UFO apparently, or the same one, who knows, in roughly the same time period, hovered over Echo Flight, another launch facility, and shut down all of their missiles.
		All of them.
		10 ICBMs shut down.
		Now, in a moment, I've received a fact from a man.
		We'll let him give his name to you if he so desires, who works for Boeing for the Material Improvement Project, whatever that is.
		I guess we're going to find out here shortly.
		And he was responsible for dispatching the team to Echo Company to check all of this out.
		And so in a moment, that gentleman...
		Can we give your name?
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's Bob Kaminski, right?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's K-A-M-I-N-S-K-I?
unidentified		Yes, correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Bob, very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you presently work for Boeing?
unidentified		No, I am retired now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Retired?
unidentified		But that did happen back in the mid-60s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did, huh?
unidentified		Yes, it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what were you told or what were you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where were you working when it occurred?
unidentified		Well, it was my job to be one of the interface engineers with the Ogden Air Materiel Command of the Air Force, and we took engineering problems that they would have with the Minimad sites.
unidentified		And then we would do investigations, do engineering, whatever is required to help them out of a particular problem they might have been having.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you were the techno geeks.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequently, Bob, did you guys get a call saying 10 ICBMs just shut down with a UFO hovering over them?
unidentified		Art, to my knowledge, that happened only once to us.
		Now, it happened other places according to what Bob Sellis is saying.
		But the only project that I know that I was handed was one of them, and it was on Echo Flight because it was the one that had 10 missiles go down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the odds of 10 missiles?
unidentified		Impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Impossible?
unidentified		It's absolutely impossible.
unidentified		Even if the power leading to the sites go down, these sites are so complex in their design and electronics, and they're so duplicated in circuitry and enter ties to other sites and other launch control facilities, it's virtually impossible to shut down 10 sites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you were responsible then for dispatching a team to Echo Company to go and find out what the hell happened?
unidentified		Exactly.
		At the time I was handed it, I was not told that there was UFO involvement.
		I was just told, hey, we have a strange occurrence.
		Ten missiles went down.
		It's your job to organize a team and send them out there immediately and have them investigate, crawl over the place, look at everything, check out every possibility, and come back and write a report.
		Well, we sent out glaciologists, we sent out engineers, electronics people, technicians.
		We sent them out there to check everything out.
		And they found nothing.
		The only thing they could find that would even come close to explaining any kind of an abnormality was the power line leading into one of the transformers and the commercial line outside of the sites.
		It wasn't even inside the site.
		And they found that there was a transformer that was slowly degrading.
		And they thought it might be setting up some kind of a spike or something.
		Yeah, right.
		Several of them, of course.
		But when they came back, we had our meetings and asked them, what happened?
		And the total amount of information was zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zero.
unidentified		We had no explanation.
		Then, Art, mysteriously, I got a call from our representative, the Boeing representative, who I worked with through the Ogden Air Material area down in Ogden.
		And that's where he was stationed.
		He was the one that sent the projects up and told us what to do.
		He called me and says, Bob, stop everything you're doing.
		I said, stop everything.
		What do you mean?
		He says, just stop it.
		I said, just don't do any more.
		I says, well, do we have to submit a final report?
		He says, no, no final report.
		Now, this is very strange because every time you spend government money on an engineering port, you have to send in a report of what you did.
bugs in texas ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They said, stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No report.
unidentified		They said, stop, do not submit a final report.
		And then he told me this is under the table.
		It's been rumored that there was a UFO over the launch control facility that knocked out those 10 birds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
unidentified		And with that, we were just put on hold and put on stop.
		Now, I cover this art in a book I just released two months ago.
		This particular incident in the midst of a whole bunch of things.
		I sent you a copy.
		It's called Lying Wonders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lying Wonders?
unidentified		Lying Wonders, yeah.
unidentified		It has a Christian flavor to it, but I went to a lot of things, and I mentioned this report because I actually was involved in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it sounds, Bob, as though you ought to talk to Robert Solace.
unidentified		It does, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I can arrange that.
		I can arrange that for you.
		Okay, good.
		So what I would like to do, if there's anything else you can think of that we ought to know, I guess I could ask you the same question I asked Robert.
		This is such an incredible revelation.
		If the public had been told at the time, or let me redo that.
		Why do you think at the time this was slam-shut, classified, public wasn't told, and why do you think it's getting out now?
unidentified		Well, first of all, I think people are getting a little bolder now, and it's been past several years than I think it'd be classified.
		That's the first thing.
		But secondly, I think originally why it wasn't, is people were afraid to talk about it because of scoring and laughter.
		And behind the scenes, there may have been another layer of governmental management pulling the string.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm not laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing funny at all.
unidentified		Well, no, not today.
		Everything's coming out today.
		But years ago, people just wouldn't talk about it.
		They've just made fun about it.
		But no, I actually went through this, and I didn't go out to the sites myself, but I was responsible for sending the team out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to put you on hold because I want to get you together with Robert Solis, all right?
unidentified		Okay, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, putting you on hold.
		Stay right there.
		Can you imagine that, folks?
		A total of 15 intercontinental ballistic missiles shutting down with objects hovering above them.
		What do you think the message might be?
		And if you put that together with the 2020 piece a couple of years ago, and I'll never, ever forget it, with a UFO hovering above a similar Russian facility, only there, they went into launch sequence.
		Somewhere there, there is a message.
		All right, briefly, let me recap some of the stuff available on the internet right now.
		A lot of it very new.
		Strange Universe did indeed run a short piece on me tonight.
		It had to do with Hailbop and Hailbop's alleged companion.
		Now, I don't want to tell you who's been calling me, and I can't tonight.
		But I can tell you that there is some very heavy stuff about to come down with respect to Chuck Schrameck's sighting and Professor Courtney Brown and others, and I cannot mention them tonight.
		But as this week progresses, you're going to begin to hear some really amazing things, and I'm going to have to leave it at that for now.
		On the website presently is the appearance on Strange Universe.
		You can jump over to their page from our page.
		Find out when it's going to be in your area.
		Otherwise, consult a TV guide and you'll catch me on TV tomorrow.
		It really was a very nice piece.
		I got to see it already.
		Very nice piece.
		Very enjoyable.
		I think you'll enjoy it.
		If you enjoy the show, you'll enjoy watching that.
		Crystal Gale.
		I went to see Crystal Gale Saturday night, and I want to thank Anne and the whole crew back in Nashville.
		It was a wonderful experience.
		Crystal Gale is the beautiful woman you know her to be, every bit, believe me, inside and out.
		Somebody sent me a fax and said, how long is her hair?
		And the answer is, about as long as she is.
		Just about drags the floor, actually.
		That's very long hair.
		And I don't frequently smile in photographs, but you will see me on the webpage with Crystal Gale, and you'll see a big smile on my face for good, obvious reason.
		So that photograph is up there.
		The Whitley Streeber photograph is up there.
		And Whitley sent this to me, very excited, said, Art, it's the real thing.
		You be the judge.
		It's on my webpage now.
		Take a look.
		The MJ-12 badge that I absconded with from Dark Skies, or a photograph of it, scan of it, is up there.
		And there are now a couple of other photographs up there.
		These are photographs of the day we did the shoot.
		Now, these are my photographs, not those of Dark Skies.
		I await Dark Skies to send me the promo photos that I'm sure they're going to have.
		In the meantime, these are some that my wife took.
		And I think you'll see myself, General Twining, the man who played General Twining in uniform, and the man who played Hubert Humphrey.
		And you will see a couple of photographs of the day we did the Dark Skies shoot up there as well.
		So that is there.
		And of course, Dark Skies, the appearance coming up on December 14th.
		That's a Saturday night on NBC.
		So that's kind of a catch-up on what's available on the webpage right now.
		And you might catch me tomorrow night if you get a chance on Strange Universe.
		In the meantime, O.J. Simpson spent the second day on the stand.
		He ended his second grueling day on the witness stand in his civil trial Monday, fending off a barrage of accusations that he murdered his ex-wife and her friend, admitting that he had contemplated suicide.
		Daniel Petricelli, the lead attorney for the plaintiffs, contended that Simpson was planning to kill himself during the infamous Bronco Freeway Chase, quote, because you knew you were going to spend the rest of your life in jail, end quote.
		No, that's incorrect, replied Simpson, though he did admit he was contemplating killing himself.
		Earlier, Simpson testified he could not explain the blood found inside his Ford Bronco and at his estate or account for some of the cuts on his hand after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.
		Petricelli also attacked Simpson's alibi, accused him of failing a lie detector test.
		A federal judge has ordered accused CIA double agent Harold Nicholson held in jail pending trial on charges of conspiracy to spy for Russia.
		Despite testimonials from his mother, sister, brother, and a childhood friend, the judge denied a request for the one-time CIA station chief for bail, so he's not going to get out, and I would agree he certainly should not get out.
		The space shuttle Columbia used its long robotic arm to pluck a prototype satellite factory from space Monday night as a second satellite orbited nearby.
		The satellite retrieval occurred at 9.01 p.m. Eastern Time and came three hours earlier than originally scheduled.
		The co-pilot of the Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed near the Camaro Islands was unable to identify two detained men as suspected hijackers.
		The hijacked airplane ditched in the sea, as you must know now, off the idyllic holiday islands Saturday after it ran out of fuel about 500 yards from the beach.
	We are having too many accidents, airline accidents.
	I just don't understand.
	Maybe you do.
	Winter weather causing havoc in Texas, other parts of the U.S., in Dallas and surrounding areas.
	Dozens of accidents reported as commuters tried to go to work after snow and freezing rain created very hazardous driving conditions from Austin north all the way to the Oklahoma border.
	This is indeed a very, very strange and severe winter, and it has only just begun.
	So there you have it.
	We're going to discuss any number of other things, but that'll do it for now.
	I wonder how you feel about what you heard with regard to our missiles near Maelstrom.
	That's an absolutely incredible story, and I wonder what you think the message was.
	Why would they simply shut down our missiles?
	Was the message that this kind of stuff has got to stop?
	Was the message that, look here, you are not as much in control as you think you were or are?
	Was the message one little slip and the world is done for?
unidentified		That's it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was the message, now you better begin talking to the other side, you better begin eliminating these weapons, or else, what do you think the message was?
		Why do you think they would have done such a thing?
		Moreover, not being precisely certain of the date that the incident occurred in Russia, I can imagine that they were fairly close.
		And while it's bad enough to think about our missiles shutting down, it's even worse to contemplate Russian missiles beginning to light up and going into launch sequence at the same moment.
		Isn't it?
		All right, we're going to pause here at the bottom of the hour.
		When we come back, it'll be open lines throughout the nighttime.
		We've got some interviews planned for later in the week, and I'll tell you about those.
		Vince de Pietro, for one, on Friday night, Saturday morning, and I'll fill you in on the rest.

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