Art Bell’s Best of Open Lines features Mel’s 15-foot-wide, bottomless "never-ending hole" in Eastern Washington’s Manastash, where 5,000-yard fishing lines vanish without trace and dogs avoid it, alongside a 1974 Tacoma case involving swallowed tires. Ex-Air Force pilot Jimmy Joe risks surveillance near Area 51 with his Bird Route 10 aircraft, claiming to spot UFO-related lights. Bigfoot hunters Bugs (who buried two hybrid creatures in 1973) and Dan D. Doty from Missouri describe encounters—one with a 12-foot-tall bipedal being, another involving drained animals and government towers—while KENS Television captures a chupacabra-like creature near San Antonio. Former Minuteman monitor Robert Salas reveals March 16, 1967, UFOs disabled five U.S. missiles at Malstrom Air Force Base, echoing a 1975 Montana flap and a Russian ICBM incident, suggesting nuclear threats remain unaddressed despite official denials. [Automatically generated summary]
What are you doing up at this time of the morning?
unidentified
Well, after I sent the facts, I'm living in town here now because we had a couple of our buildings out there cave in after the big snows that we had out here last month.
Oh, yes.
And so thereby goes some of the construction debris into the hole.
Have you ever heard anything coming from any sounds or anything?
unidentified
Well, you know, I mean, the normal thing to do is kind of like yell into it there, you know, to see an echo.
And I've never heard an echo come out of that thing at all.
You know, that's one of the first things I noticed about it.
As usual, I brought the dogs with me.
They wouldn't go anywhere near the damn thing, and I went back to the suburban and hung out over there.
So it was kind of I can't, you know, if I try to bring them there on a leash, they'll just dig their feet, and they do not want to go anywhere near the hole.
And so that's, I don't know.
Well, you've got miles and miles of Yeah, I think well I'm going I'm I'm measuring it by feet.
You know, I convert feet to yards, so I don't know how many miles that is.
I assume that's it's a fair number of miles, though.
Well, you have got a hole then that goes, you know, you can't say to the center of the earth, but you've got a hole that goes miles and miles and miles into the earth.
I would think a university would be out there, boom, just like that.
unidentified
Well, my wife does work for a local university here, and, you know, we've been talking to them about it.
And one of the things is they find it quite incredible That I've let that much line into the ground, but that's what I've been doing.
Well, we've been out there for a couple years, about four years now, but this project here with Letting Down a Line, that's only been since last summer here.
And it was just, you know, I said, well, how come this thing isn't filling up?
And, you know, I made, you know, I talked to the neighbors around there, you know, which are, you know, on, on, you know, when you're out there in the country, your neighbors are pretty far away, but they all know the hole out there.
And so nothing thrown down, all the old junk and trash and nothing has polluted the water?
unidentified
No, I mean, you know, I can't speak for everything that's been thrown down there, but none of that has been showing up in the water that people draw from their wells.
I mean, you know, the water is as clean as it's ever been out there.
I think we get water that comes off the cascades or something.
And I'm one of the reasons that I went out to the property tonight, other than it's just, you know, it's something that weighs heavily on my mind.
I was afraid that after I sent the facts out, that there would be people around there because it's well there may be, but we have not identified specifically where it is.
Well, there aren't, as far as I could tell, too many big holes like that around.
And so at least the people in my neck of the woods are familiar with it.
And, you know, I kind of almost expected to see a small party of people looking at it.
So already, we now learn that you may have a Guinness qualifying hole there, no question about it.
But I want to know, I, inquiring minds, want to know, I would think even if we just had somebody lowered past the 1,600 foot mark to see what's down there.
Well, as usual, you've heard your first folks on our bill.
Before I get serious, I just wanted to kind of lighten things up here and ask if you'd considered making a contract with the Refuse Collection Department from Yakima County.
You could probably make a ceiling on that.
You know, I read an article in the paper how they wanted to close down our local dump out here, and I almost seriously suggested.
Anyways, I wanted to mention here, we've got many, many mediums of technology, and the gentleman who suggested radar, I think, was onto something.
You know, say, for instance, that Guinness came out and was going to, you know, they're pretty thorough with their investigation before they're going to print you.
But anyways, maybe the way to go is to have someone lower in a sensor's package, you know, which is something that measures for noxious gases, temperature, and I'm sure they could focus a radar, you know, probably pencil thin, you know, and just hook it up to an endless supply of cable and lower it down.
Well, you know, it's like, you know, how the various pyramids and things in Egypt, you know, are supposed to be lined up on various star systems or whatever.
I think that a light and a video camera, I mean, Mel, you could have a special as you got down past, what did they say was the deepest hole, 1,600 feet?
So you're not sure you want that kind of publicity?
unidentified
No.
I mean, I'd be happy to, like I say, I could put together a website on it and keep people informed about what's going on because I'm sort of making this my.
If he started out with a one-pound weight and he starts adding fish line to it, then the amount of weight down the hole increases.
Alright, now, if he knows the weight of the line on a per-foot basis, as he puts more weight down the hole, if he could measure the total strain on the top of the, or load on the top of the line, he would know if any of that line was draped on anything.
See, the thing is, once he gets a fair amount of line down, the one pound weight on the end is insignificant.
And he wouldn't even, it could be hung up on something or laying on the bottom or something, and he would never know it.
So I guess if you're older, you've got to have money.
Interesting.
Anyway, he goes on.
The balance of the mortgage on the land will be paid off by the leasing party.
I will be paid a sum of money each month for the next 100 years.
Should I pre-decease or die, the term of the lease, the money is then to go to my estate.
If it is feasible, based on the leasing party's use of the land, I am to have my remains, upon my demise, return to the U.S. and be disposed of in the whole.
This last item is based on the future use of the whole.
This is incredible.
He goes on, if any commercial use of the land is made by the leasing party, their agents, or any other entity, I am to receive 5% of the gross revenues generated by the land.
This would be in addition to the monthly lease amount.
The lease can be renewed at the end of the term by a request of the leasing party.
I will be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment based on actions of the leasing party, etc.
I'll be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment.
He goes on to say, this is a little hard to read.
There will be no charges of drug manufacturing against me.
I will not be charged with the importation and propagation of non-native plants.
Any materials regarding my research will be returned to me.
Any personal items remaining on the property will be returned to me so long as they do not compromise the security of the property.
In return, I am not to release any photographs, written, or oral descriptions as to location or any information that would compromise the security of the property.
I do not wish to talk to the press.
In my opinion, there is no press other than Art Bell.
If you want to be on the cutting edge, he says, Art Bell is a guy sharpening the knife.
Though things were pretty scary at times, everything worked out well.
I'm certain that if I never contacted you to begin with, I would not have been as fortunate as I am today.
It is amazing what can happen over the span of a few days since Friday.
I'm just trying to make it to the end of the month.
Now money will not be a problem for me ever.
Thank you all, and let Mel's Hole enter into that murky territory of urban mythology or conspiracy theory.
This is the end of the trail.
Mel.
P.S. Yes, they will tell me about the true nature of the hole.
No, you will not hear it from me.
So this appears to be the swan song of Mel.
Maybe.
That came about Two minutes prior to airtime, I received a very cryptic, strange message from my affiliate, I think it's KXLE, up in Washington earlier today.
It's on my answering service.
I'm still not sure what that was all about, but it had to do with Mel's hole.
Then somebody sent me the following.
James Johnson told a very strange story to the Seattle Post Intelligencer back in June of 74.
The Johnson family had just purchased a new home in Tacoma when their St. Bernard began sniffing around what seemed to be a small hole in the backyard.
Thinking he had moles, Johnson ran a 50-foot-long sewer snake down the hole, but he never hit the bottom.
Perplexed, he called a city manager who pronounced the opening to be 31 feet deep.
By this time, the hole had widened and he could see the first few feet were lined with bricks.
The engineer suggested the family fill it with gravel.
To avoid the $500 cost of filling the hole with gravel, Johnson bought, get this, 164 tires from the local St. Vincent dePaul thrift store and tossed them into the hole.
He added an old rug, some boxes, several dog bones to the mix and covered it with a wooden plank given to him by the city.
A year passed without further incident.
But get this, folks, when Johnson decided to install a sundeck, which would have to be built over the hole, he lifted the plank, and much to his surprise, he found the hole had sucked up all the tires.
Johnson decided to research his house's history, and he learned that in the 1920s, the owners had also had a problem with the hole.
They had thrown a large quantity of marble and assorted junk down into it.
Apparently, this show of disrespect angered the hole, for an explosion literally blew everything out, marble and everything else.
The lady living in the house was too frightened to remain and soon moved out.
Another former resident stopped by the house and told Johnson his father had lowered him by rope down the hole in 1922.
While in the hole, something pulled a bucket out of his hands.
The tale of the Tacoma mystery hole quickly spread.
Johnson was inundated with offers from people to explore it.
Finally, he gave permission to one.
They found some strange egg-shaped objects.
On and on it goes with various theories then about the mystery hole in Tacoma.
So Mel's Hole is not the first mystery hole of this sort, apparently.
So there it is, the story of Mel's hole.
Somebody has sent me, by the way, Daryl in Rancho Mirage says, good for Mel and Art Bell.
For Art, he had the courage to talk.
For Mel, he was smart enough to listen.
But wouldn't you love to hear the whole story?
Art, you didn't make his day, you made his life.
Therefore, you now don't have to feel guilty.
That's true.
I was feeling a little guilty because Mel was in so much apparent trouble.
But it does look as though it has worked out well for Mel.
Now, there are those who are saying he has sold out this taking the money and running business.
I don't know that I feel that way, and I know it's easy to sit there as an armchair general and say, what a sellout, to take the money and to run.
But the alternative might have been to lose his land, end up in jail, or worse.
And so I can't, you know, I'm not going to make the judgment that he has done the wrong thing because, to be frank, I can't tell you in that situation what I would have done.
Again, let me tell you, Art, answer the wildcard line.
My boyfriend is in a small plane north of Las Vegas, ready to fly into Area 51.
Don't you think that we have a right to national security secrets?
unidentified
I think we have, not really, because you know they have these K-11 and K-15 satellites up there, and the Ruskies, they know what we're doing, and the Chinese, they've got satellites down here that they know what's going on.
The only thing that don't know what's going on is the silent folks like me and you.
And us common folks got a right to know because we're funding all this.
How many of you, if you've been listening to the program for a long time, you might remember Bugs.
He's a man who thought that he killed actually two Bigfoot.
And he was going to lead us to the burial site of these two Bigfoot.
And by the time the program was over, this audience had so convinced Bugs that he would be charged with, at the very least, manslaughter and likely murder if they went to the grave site, he disappeared.
Well, I've got a guest coming on here in a moment, just a regular kind of guy who had an encounter with Bigfoot.
Bugs heard about it.
Bugs, just this moment, sent me a fax that says the following art.
The picture of Bigfoot on your webpage looks like it's real.
It looks very much like the ones that I shot several years ago.
I printed the picture and used a magnifying glass and it looks like the real thing.
You know, people sit out there, Dan, and a lot of times they say, well, you know, if somebody wants to come on the air and tell a story and they won't give their name, it takes away from the credibility.
So I appreciate your giving your name.
unidentified
Right.
Now, it's just that, well, I've been running around like a nut for the last 10 years trying to explain the story to people and didn't have any evidence.
Well, maybe you will if he's got the guts to call and give me a number to call him.
Anyway, listen, tell us your story.
How in heaven's name did you come upon this creature?
What's the story?
unidentified
Well, for a long time, we've heard like little stories, rumors that out in this area near Otto, Missouri, right next to where Ace lived, that these creatures were out there.
People had seen them.
His mother had called the Sheriff's Department when one came out right to the house.
The sheriff's department came out there, one of the deputies maybe went like three feet in the woods, said all you people want to do is get on TV or something, and he wouldn't go back there and take a look.
It could be, but it always sounded to me like a human being going through some horrible torture, and humans can almost sound animalistic now comes the second one.
Now, this sound, this sound by every Bigfoot expert I've talked to is said to be the genuine sound of a real Bigfoot.
Actually, I've only heard one after I started viewing through movies and stuff, I've only heard one movie that actually had the exact sound, and that was something that was done called Bigfoot Manor Peace.
I called up a number of radio stations, a very large one here in St. Louis, basically got made fun of on the air when I told them my story as I've told you.
Anyway, so you had this encounter, this nighttime encounter, and now, how in the world, how in heaven's name did you get close enough to get a photograph like the one we've got up here?
unidentified
Ace was able to do it.
We both took our turns trying to get close enough to this thing to get a picture of it, or these creatures.
For some odd reasons, government contracting guys came in, broke up an entire area, a large portion of this area, and stuck a transmitting tower in the middle of it.
Tell us the story of how you got this daytime photograph.
unidentified
All right.
Ace and I had been sitting around trying to figure out how we're going to get this.
I mean, we had gone through the whole gambit of, gee, maybe we can sneak a picture to maybe we should go down there and try to blow one of their heads off or something and drag it back.
Now, it's really interesting because in the first encounter, you're the guy who saw the Bigfoot, but in the second encounter, on shifts, with you guys waiting out in the woods during the day, he's the guy who got the photographs.
unidentified
I think it's good shifts because he knew how to do a little better at hunting than I am.
The only part, and you may have heard me or your wife may have heard me mention this, that I had a hard time with, was that the first shots that were taken apparently were taken at night from about 100 yards.
Well, when we first seen what it was, we seen the eyes.
It was basically reddish.
At first, we thought it could be a deer.
The eyes were similar.
And as we got closer, it was probably, I assume it was in a crouch or kneeling position.
And as we got closer, we came around a bend in the road that went into this flat area that run alongside the river.
And it was a plowed field.
And we were able to see, as we got closer, when we hit the lights, the pickup lights hit it first, brought the spotlights on it.
We're using 500,000 candle watt quartz beam lights.
Wow.
Back in 1973, we did this basically professionally because we were hunting coats, bobcats, coons, that sort of thing, because they were bringing a lot of money.
I mean, a woman can't scream the screwing sound, the way this thing screamed.
And it just, I mean, it just put chills down your spine.
But I seen it move.
I seen it coming toward me.
And it was on all fours coming toward me.
And I fired.
And the 44, I'm shooting the 240-grain hollow point with an overcharge.
Literally knocked that thing back about three or four feet.
It got up and it came after me again.
And I fired again.
It did three times that away.
And the fourth time, it stood completely up.
And when it did, Burg Dog and my other buddy cut loose on it and they went through the head.
All right, I take it the thicket was low enough so that when this creature stood up all the way it was standing high enough so they could get a shot at it right right probably a plum thicket I imagine probably five six feet tall and something to that extent well it dropped and didn't make any more sounds and I got closer and I seen it wasn't breathing so it was I knew it was gone and about another probably ten foot on the other side of it I seen the other one laying
and so it took all three of us to drag them out.
They were that heavy, and then when we examined them, we got scared because the organs, everything, it was just like a human body with hair on it.
I'll tell you, the best way to describe the way they look from the backside, you see weightlifters where they don't have no neck and it just goes all up into muscles.
Well, if you know how to contact them, why don't you go...
go ahead and do that and see if they feel the same way you do or not and we'll proceed from there bugs but it'll just it'll have to be unanimous with all of us all three of us will have to agree to it I understand I Look, I appreciate your coming forward.
Well, listen, I took the opportunity to talk to somebody during the break who knows about shooters, hunters, and he said what you just heard was a real McCoy.
Well, if you were out in the woods and you saw something down on its haunches and it was gigantic and hairy, I guess based on that much, I mean, that's not a human being, in your estimation.
So, you know, I don't know what to think here, and I'm not sure how to proceed, but it sounds to me like they may have shot two Bigfoot.
unidentified
Well, that's the impression I got.
I guess I just don't see this being very responsible sportsmen out there shooting at something that you don't haven't identified.
It didn't sound like it was being a threat to them at the time.
Yeah, well, all of that aside, I mean, that is fine.
Not responsible.
Maybe not.
I don't know.
But I would think that if you saw something that was fully hairy, that your presumption, without clothes, your presumption certainly would be that it was not a human being.
And I'm not going to sit here and defend the morality of taking a shot or of his taking the shot, nor am I going to criticize it.
What I wanted to get mostly now from y'all is a sense of the story.
In other words, did you believe it?
I happen to think it's true.
I believe it.
I think we've got somebody here who took down a couple of Bigfoot or something like a Bigfoot.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hello.
I was listening to the story about the guy that supposedly shot Bigfoot with a couple.
And I do believe him because my father used to travel a lot.
He was a truck driver.
And he had told me one time that he thought there was an animal on the side of the road, which he thought was a deer.
It was crouched down.
He's seen the eyes, you know, like a deer with headlights, would hit the eyes.
And then it got up and walked on its two feet.
And it was around seven foot tall.
And matter of fact, from that day on, he was an avid Bigfoot fan.
Jimmy, he, you know, bought magazines and researched on his own a lot.
I thought, you know, I'm not a hunter, so I can't judge that aspect.
unidentified
Well, I'm not a hunter either, but if you shot something like that that was close to human, half human, and reasonably half ape, you would probably react the same way they did, too.
I have to agree with the gentleman who called in and said he couldn't, if it was given to sportsmen a bad name shooting what they weren't sure they were at.
The issue is whether or not If these all are the hunters they claim to be, I don't believe they would have shot something without identifying it first.
I'm going to reserve a comment on the Bigfoot thing until I hear a little more.
This is kind of a strange story that I read in one of the tabloids, but it was sort of off the wall that there is an element of truth to it, I think, because it involves Sure.
I don't know if maybe some of your listeners have heard this, but their bass player after the group broke up or whatever was some sort of a computer wizard.
And evidently, just a couple of years ago, I mean, I guess he made quite a decent amount of money.
A couple of years ago, according to this article, he came upon some, worked out some sort of program on this computer, some sort of big deal.
They didn't really explain it too well.
I'm hoping maybe somebody out there will know.
But evidently it involved faster, this is what it said, faster than light communication, which is pretty bizarre.
You know, faster than light, anything is pretty bizarre.
But this then, evidently now the guy is missing.
He's the, you know, that was the main crux of the story was that he was missing.
There's been numerous reportings, which is basically a Bigfoot-type creature with an incredibly foul stench.
And the Honey Island swamp is right along the border of Louisiana, Mississippi area in the Pearl River area.
And like I said, for several, several years, you hear different stories coming through about people, you know, hunters, trappers, people out crawl fishing or what have you, coming across creatures that look, you know, basically a Bigfoot type description.
And the same came from the falc area of Arkansas, which is in the lower, well, the southwest corner around the Texas Arkana area.
And what has been strange, some people have reported coming across footprints, oddly enough, with a three-toe signature instead of a normal five-toe, which has always been associated with the Bigfoot.
But like I say, there have been different stories floating around the swamp areas.
In other words, I lean toward believing it, amazing as it is.
I'm really glad he called.
I'm glad that you all got to hear it.
I don't know that I'm glad I'm in the middle of this right now, because I think I believe it.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
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unidentified
Well, well, well, we're going to get in lots of trouble tonight, I suppose.
Dear Art, we saw a report about the goatsucker or chupacabra on our local NBC Channel 4 news today out of Los Angeles.
The news anchors, Ken and Barbie, did not seem amused.
Looks like some fairly serious stuff.
See you on the radio.
Regards, Bill.
Or here we go again right now, 6.20 p.m.
CBS Affiliate, Channel 2.
There is a long report about the Chupacabras saying that there have been accounts all over the outskirts of Los Angeles now where dead animals like chickens and rabbits have been showing up by the dozens with two puncture marks in various parts of their bodies.
No blood on the ground.
In fact, no blood.
No signs of struggle.
My skin is crawling.
This is getting a little too close to home.
That's from an archaeologist in Los Angeles.
Or Art just got done watching the 6 o'clock news on Channel 2.
CBS did a long-term segment on Chupacapra or the Goat Sucker.
They showed dead goats, chickens, other various animals.
This story from Mexico City.
Reuters, a giant bat-like creature, is terrorizing a village in a northern Mexican state where goats are found dead daily with their blood sucked dry.
Poor farmers from a village there have formed nighttime vigilante squads to track down the flying beast that has been dubbed the goatsucker.
We are telling people to keep the women and children locked up and inside at night.
This is real.
There's something out there.
All right, to Princeton University in New Jersey we go.
What the hell is this thing, and what does it look like?
Can you describe it as best you can without being able to show people a picture?
If you just close your eyes and describe it, what does this creature look like?
unidentified
Okay, well, according to most eyewitness accounts or most reports, this creature supposedly has the shape of a small kangaroo, but is sort of reptilian in nature with two large red eyes.
And so basically it would look like a cross between a small kangaroo and a small dinosaur.
That's, I think, the best way to describe it.
And it has allegedly some spines growing out of its back.
And in the last couple days, suddenly, Los Angeles, even Oregon, the U.S. West Coast.
How can this thing be spreading so quickly?
unidentified
Well, I mean, I think the most logical thing to assume is that this sort of thing has been going on already for a while.
And it's only because of the exposure of the Chupacabra or the name Chupacabra in Puerto Rico that people started to link the name to these sort of happenings that have been going on for a while.
Tito, because I watch the news very carefully for things like this, and we have not been getting reports other than an occasional cattle mutilation of chickens and goats with the blood drained from their bodies and two marks on the outside and four marks on the inside.
We've not been getting those reports.
This is fairly recent.
unidentified
Okay, well, then that means that this something stranger is going on.
I mean, my explanation would sound logical, but I guess that if we haven't been hearing about stuff like that, then this is even more mysterious than we previously had thought.
If you had to make a guess, or maybe I had to ask you, Tito, what is the best guess about where this thing comes from?
unidentified
I would hesitate to hazard a guess, but basically the consensus, if there is any, seems to be that this is something that is not native to the Earth.
I mean, however strange that sounds.
I think regarding everything that's been going on, that's our best bet.
And then if we go from there, then I mean, then we go from there.
But this is definitely something that hasn't been seen before.
And everything about it, even its attacks, the way it does this, samples that have been collected of the creature itself point to something that hasn't been seen, that is not native to the Earth.
I mean, I think, I mean, due to the very big exposure it got in Puerto Rico and the many animals that were found, I'd have to hazard a guess that at least this type of creature, this type of chupacabra did start in Puerto Rico.
Well, what seemed to begin as a taste for chicken and goats recently seems to have turned to a taste for humans.
There's reports now of human beings being attacked.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
And if, I mean, if one assumes that this creature is a species and it exhibits normal species characteristics, which it means that it breeds or it, I mean, that there's more than one, then I guess it would be inevitable for it to have more and more contact with human beings and then and interaction or altercation is inevitable then.
But I don't think that necessarily means that the chupacabra is ready to, or is starting to attack humans per se.
But then again, I mean, I would be on my guard just in case.
What can you tell me about what happened in Puerto Rico?
It's all been very sketchy.
A gal who's on my Dreamland show, Linda Howe, has gone to Puerto Rico and looked for this creature.
Now, I don't think I would do that.
I don't want to hunt up this creature and hope it doesn't hunt me up.
But what has it done in Puerto Rico?
What is documented?
unidentified
Well, basically, there have been documented cases of basically animals being found drained of their blood in Puerto Rico, probably thousands of animals over the past year.
There hasn't been an official count, probably because the government doesn't really take this very seriously.
They're basically keeping their distance, and it's basically been the local people who have taken it upon themselves to basically either be on their guard or try to look for this thing.
And they have organized a lot of searches for it, and they've come up with nothing so far.
And especially since there's only been observed maybe two puncture marks in most of the victims, most of the animal victims, then that either means that if it is a bat, it's a very big one and it's something totally new and which may exhibit the characteristics of a bat but couldn't be called a bat per se.
But that definitely enters into the whole, you know.
If you, with all your interest in chupacabra, had an opportunity to go home to Puerto Rico or even here in the States and come face to face with one, would you do it?
unidentified
Would I do?
I mean, if you're not sure, you would, huh?
Yeah, it sounds like something very, you know, that I would like to do.
If there had been reports of the chupacabra or a chupacabra-like creature attacking humans, that I'd definitely not consider it.
But I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't be alone.
And I'll tell you another thing, I wouldn't be totally without any sort of any means of protection.
Um Linda Howe has been looking at this for some time, and there are two bite marks on the exterior of the skin, but when they do an autopsy, and Linda's had several done, they find inside four marks.
I was currently previously in the Navy, and we were stationed down there for reasons I don't need to get into.
And there was a time when there was a lot of rain, and there was a flood in Ponce, and we were walking down the road, and all of a sudden the chupacabra jumped out of the ground, and it jumped into the front of us.
And we proceeded to circle the chupacabra, and it spun around our circles and started hissing at us, and this and that and everything else.
We didn't quite know what it was.
And there were some Puerto Rican nationals around there that saw us encounter this thing and ran over and told us to get away from it because it's a bloodsucker.
It's kind of a vampire-like creature where it at night leaves the lower half of the body in the room, flies out the window, go around the land taking young children.
Anyway, I heard about this down at language school in psychological operations for the Army.
And they talked about how the CIA back, I don't know, I think it was in the 70s, used to do, they used to grab people, the rebels, they grab one of the guys and take him off and kill him, drain out his blood, and leave him.
That's kind of a psychological type thing.
So I don't know how much truth there is to it, but it's kind of an interesting story.
They finished in folklore, and as you said, there's no way there.
Now, I'm going to ask you to do me a favor and not call the KENS Television Newsroom.
But I just did on the advice of a listener because they confirmed it.
Here is the first report I got.
Hello, Art.
This is Derek in San Antonio.
And I thought you'd want to know that KENS Television has obtained photographs of a chupacabra captured in a trap just south of San Antonio.
A rancher took photos of the beast and brought them to us.
He claims there were three, one in the trap and two others jumping up and down as they ran when he approached.
I will try my best to describe the photos for you.
The creature is about as long as a human leg, hasty white, has ridges on its back like a dragon.
It has two front legs and two rear legs, and at the end of each, two tiny offshoots that I would not call fingers, but I wouldn't call them paws either.
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I'm going to interview a man that was on Dreamland and was interviewed by Linamont Howe yesterday.
And it is a most remarkable hair raising story.
This man was a military officer down about 40 feet in a launch cubicle.
We'll find out what they're really called here.
At any rate, he's got a story to tell that is absolutely amazing.
You know, the armed services have always said the U.S. government has said it back after Project Blue Book.
And after just about, well, I don't know how many years of investigation of UFOs, the official statement has always been that UFOs represent no threat to United States national security.
I'm not so sure that is a true statement, and we will explore it shortly.
I know of the Minuteman, but I don't know the details.
What is the Minuteman capable of doing?
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Well, again, this is back in 1967 because I certainly don't know anything about the current weapon systems.
Sure.
But back then, the Minuteman 1 missile system was an intercontinental ballistic missile, of course, nuclear warhead, and it could have reached targets that were.
Well, again, I don't want to even talk about the range of the missiles.
The other weapon systems that we had, the Atlas, the I guess the Atlas, I'm not sure what the other ones were, but they may have had more than two, but we only had two down there.
Is it the old picture, is it like in the movies, Robert, where you wear a gun, the other guy wears a gun, you've got to put in keys simultaneously and turn them?
I mean, is the movie depiction of the way it is roughly correct?
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Again, we're talking back 1967 period time.
Yeah, we wore weapons down there, and we had keys, and all of this I believe is public information.
Correct.
I've seen photographs of what the LCFs or LCCs look like down there, and they're very accurate.
I'm going to try and ask you about, you know, if I refer to Hollywood, then you can either tell me something is right or wrong.
I certainly don't want to ask you anything, and be very careful.
Don't say anything that you ought not say.
I am curious, and I've got to ask, before we get on to the body of the story here, I was always captivated, I guess is the right word, by the amount of responsibility that somebody like yourself would have had down in a launch command center.
And what were the psychological pressures like?
Is it that you are so trained that you would just automatically do what you're supposed to do?
Or do you constantly, in your own mind, agonize over what you might have to do if your job description ever was called on?
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Well, I don't think we constantly agonized about it.
But it was a dire responsibility, and we all understood what we had to do in the event we were given the order to launch our missiles because we understood why we had strategic weapons.
We understood the necessity for them at the time.
And so we wouldn't have hesitated to launch if ordered to.
I don't believe there was a lot of stress involved with that.
In other words, as a direct result of this object, or did he bump into something?
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No, it's kind of strange.
When we were relieved later that morning and I went up and talked to him, the man that had been injured had already left and our helicopter was waiting for us to take us back because they wanted to debrief us right away.
So I didn't have very much time to talk to this guard about any details of this injury.
Does that mean that the system has detected that there is some sort of malfunction in the missile or in the mechanism that would launch it, something faulty, and so it begins an auto-shutdown?
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That's correct.
That's basically that there was some problem within the system so that the missile could not be properly launched.
And so the assistant warned us that the missile had gone off alert and not launchable.
And this happened to at least my original recollection was that we lost just about all of them.
But I recently contacted my commander, the fellow that was in command with me down there in the capsule.
And he seemed to think we had lost five or so.
And I seem to remember it was more than that.
So we're both somewhere between five and ten missiles that we lost them.
I mean, in the rest of the time that you were there, how frequently would a missile shut down?
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That was a very, very unusual occurrence that any missile would shut down and go into a no-go condition for other than a power loss.
And even in the power loss, we had automatic generators at the launch facilities that would pick up the power right away, and usually they'd come right back up.
But more than one going down was unheard of.
It just didn't happen.
I never had that happen before since in the three years I was there.
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Robert Salas is my guest, and I would imagine by now we've got your attention.
Do you remember reading about any of this in any newspapers back then?
Ah, me either.
Interesting.
Stay right where you are.
We'll let the rest of this story unwind.
This is CBC.
All right, back now to Washington and Robert Solace.
Well, I'll get to that, but this was within our own launch complex.
Like I said, we dispatched a team, a security team, to go out to the sites.
And while one of them was out there, we got a report back from him that they had observed a UFO over one of our launch facilities.
Now, again, soon after our missiles shut down, we received a call from another launch control facility, and this was EchoFlight.
I was in, I believe it was November flight.
But the Echo Flight crew called, or we called them.
I don't remember which, but they told us that the same thing happened at their flight.
In other words, except they did lose all ten of their missiles.
Now, we've got this confirmed.
We've got this in writing from the Air Force.
Under a Freedom of Information Act request that we processed, we were able to retrieve what's called a unit history which outlined the loss of the 10 missiles at Echo Flight.
All right, well I'm going to raise the hair on the back of your neck right now because in a similar time frame, about two years ago, 2020 ran a story on a Russian ICBM missile silo, an incident in which a UFO hovered over that facility and put some of their missiles into launch mode.
It actually began to go into launch mode all by itself.
And after the incident, it ended up not launching, the Russians had the whole, you know, all the consoles torn apart.
They tore apart the entire facility and never found anything that was wrong.
But this thing went into launch sequence.
Now, the timeframe, if not exactly the same, was very similar.
And it's blood-curdling enough to think about our missiles shutting down, but it's even a little more worrisome to worry about ours shutting down while theirs go into launch sequence.
In addition, I believe there were sightings in South Dakota before the program tonight from a man in South Dakota who said, you know, he was worried that he couldn't talk about this either.
He said in South Dakota, and I don't know exactly, I've never really personally seen a blast door, but he said they're gigantic and very heavy.
They weigh tons.
And he said, one was missing, just simply came up missing, and that's absolutely impossible.
It's not something you throw into the back of a pickup and haul away.
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Right.
Right.
But there's also a missile base in South Dakota.
And my understanding is that there were sightings similar to ours, although I have not heard of an incident such as ours occurring there.
Well, I think one of them does feel the same way I do about getting this out there in the public and making an appeal to the Air Force to come clean on this thing.
The others, I think, were career Air Force people and may be a little shy about talking about it, but they weren't shy with me, and we discussed all of these things.
And all of what I'm telling you really is a composite of what we all agreed occurred on that day.
Well, this is something the American people certainly should know about.
We still have missiles.
They are aimed, I don't know where, maybe in the water temporarily or something, but the fact of the matter is we still have them, and so do the Russians.
And I think that until they're all destroyed and that day may never come, we will always have this hanging over us, maybe to a lesser degree, but it'll always be hanging over us, and that something like this could happen.
Well, you know what?
I understand, frankly, that they would not have told the American people about this.
Well, the public's reaction aside, Robert, imagine that our people, our national security people, our military, our Pentagon, would not exactly like the Russians to know that our missiles were getting shut down.
So I can understand why they would not make it public.
Now, a lot of years have gone by, but you've got to wonder if that sort of thing is still going on today.
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Right.
Well, the point is the public needs to be involved in the debate as to what we ought to do about this.
In other words, if we have been visited by these objects from this planet, the public ought to be able to enter into the debate as to exactly what we ought to do about it.
It should not be in the hands of a small group of military intelligentsia or whoever has this information, and they can do pretty much what they want about it, whatever It is.
If this is a threat to all of us, we ought to know about it and be able to debate it and talk about it.
At least we ought to know if they really are visiting us.
I would like to know, I'm sure a lot of other people out there would like to know, and if they have the ability to, in effect, shut down our ICBMs to convey a message that you ought not be doing this sort of thing, if that's what the message was, then yes, the public ought to know about it and they ought to be able to chew it over a little bit and see what they decide.
What are you going to do?
You've done an interview with Linda.
Now you've done one with me.
How are you going to proceed in trying to get this public?
Because a lot of people are going to want to see it.
Put it up on the web.
Let everybody take a look.
That would be one good way to proceed.
In other words, that is good documentary evidence that this occurred.
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Yeah, let me read you just one part of the document that I received.
This is the only mention of UFOs.
It says, rumors of unidentified flying objects around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven.
A mobile strike team, which had checked all November flights' LFs on the morning of 16 March, were questioned and stated that no unusual activity or sightings were observed.
Another avenue of underlining what you've said here would be to get some of the others to come forward.
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Yes, and I'd like to make an appeal to anybody that's listening that might have been present and saw these UFOs during this time period during this incident.
If they could contact me or through you, I'd like to hear from them.
They could not determine a definitive cause for these shutdowns.
I talked to a couple of the Boeing engineers that did investigate this incident and they told me they did all kinds of electrical checks and tests and electromagnetic tests.
And they checked out the guidance and control computers at the launch control facilities.
Anything that might have had an impact in shutting these things down or in terms of connectivity, they checked out and they could not determine a definitive cause.
So as far as they're concerned and they were the ones that were investigating this thing, they were at least part of the team that was investigating this.
And you just heard a man who lived down in the Command Launch Center near Maustra and had at least five of his intercontinental ballistic missiles shut down by an object that hovered right over the facility.
And then another at least 10 missiles, or all the missiles, at what was called E-Flight.
Now, that is quite a remarkable revelation when you sit and think about it.
Not a threat to national security, huh?
My foot.
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Once again, here I am, and we are going to do a follow-up to what we just did.
Now, for the last hour, for those of you that have missed it, we have talked with Robert Sullis up in the Seattle area, who many years ago, on actually, I believe it was March 16th, 1967, was sitting down in a launch control facility for a Minuteman site near Maelstrom.
A UFO hovered over that launch facility and began shutting down intercontinental ballistic missiles, at least five, where my guest was.
He was an officer there, typical sidearm, that sort of thing.
Shut down five of our ICBMs.
Then, another UFO apparently, or the same one, who knows, in roughly the same time period, hovered over Echo Flight, another launch facility, and shut down all of their missiles.
All of them.
10 ICBMs shut down.
Now, in a moment, I've received a fact from a man.
We'll let him give his name to you if he so desires, who works for Boeing for the Material Improvement Project, whatever that is.
I guess we're going to find out here shortly.
And he was responsible for dispatching the team to Echo Company to check all of this out.
Well, it was my job to be one of the interface engineers with the Ogden Air Materiel Command of the Air Force, and we took engineering problems that they would have with the Minimad sites.
And then we would do investigations, do engineering, whatever is required to help them out of a particular problem they might have been having.
Even if the power leading to the sites go down, these sites are so complex in their design and electronics, and they're so duplicated in circuitry and enter ties to other sites and other launch control facilities, it's virtually impossible to shut down 10 sites.
All right, so you were responsible then for dispatching a team to Echo Company to go and find out what the hell happened?
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Exactly.
At the time I was handed it, I was not told that there was UFO involvement.
I was just told, hey, we have a strange occurrence.
Ten missiles went down.
It's your job to organize a team and send them out there immediately and have them investigate, crawl over the place, look at everything, check out every possibility, and come back and write a report.
Well, we sent out glaciologists, we sent out engineers, electronics people, technicians.
We sent them out there to check everything out.
And they found nothing.
The only thing they could find that would even come close to explaining any kind of an abnormality was the power line leading into one of the transformers and the commercial line outside of the sites.
It wasn't even inside the site.
And they found that there was a transformer that was slowly degrading.
And they thought it might be setting up some kind of a spike or something.
Yeah, right.
Several of them, of course.
But when they came back, we had our meetings and asked them, what happened?
Then, Art, mysteriously, I got a call from our representative, the Boeing representative, who I worked with through the Ogden Air Material area down in Ogden.
And that's where he was stationed.
He was the one that sent the projects up and told us what to do.
He called me and says, Bob, stop everything you're doing.
I said, stop everything.
What do you mean?
He says, just stop it.
I said, just don't do any more.
I says, well, do we have to submit a final report?
He says, no, no final report.
Now, this is very strange because every time you spend government money on an engineering port, you have to send in a report of what you did.
A total of 15 intercontinental ballistic missiles shutting down with objects hovering above them.
What do you think the message might be?
And if you put that together with the 2020 piece a couple of years ago, and I'll never, ever forget it, with a UFO hovering above a similar Russian facility, only there, they went into launch sequence.
Somewhere there, there is a message.
All right, briefly, let me recap some of the stuff available on the internet right now.
A lot of it very new.
Strange Universe did indeed run a short piece on me tonight.
It had to do with Hailbop and Hailbop's alleged companion.
Now, I don't want to tell you who's been calling me, and I can't tonight.
But I can tell you that there is some very heavy stuff about to come down with respect to Chuck Schrameck's sighting and Professor Courtney Brown and others, and I cannot mention them tonight.
But as this week progresses, you're going to begin to hear some really amazing things, and I'm going to have to leave it at that for now.
On the website presently is the appearance on Strange Universe.
You can jump over to their page from our page.
Find out when it's going to be in your area.
Otherwise, consult a TV guide and you'll catch me on TV tomorrow.
It really was a very nice piece.
I got to see it already.
Very nice piece.
Very enjoyable.
I think you'll enjoy it.
If you enjoy the show, you'll enjoy watching that.
Crystal Gale.
I went to see Crystal Gale Saturday night, and I want to thank Anne and the whole crew back in Nashville.
It was a wonderful experience.
Crystal Gale is the beautiful woman you know her to be, every bit, believe me, inside and out.
Somebody sent me a fax and said, how long is her hair?
And the answer is, about as long as she is.
Just about drags the floor, actually.
That's very long hair.
And I don't frequently smile in photographs, but you will see me on the webpage with Crystal Gale, and you'll see a big smile on my face for good, obvious reason.
So that photograph is up there.
The Whitley Streeber photograph is up there.
And Whitley sent this to me, very excited, said, Art, it's the real thing.
You be the judge.
It's on my webpage now.
Take a look.
The MJ-12 badge that I absconded with from Dark Skies, or a photograph of it, scan of it, is up there.
And there are now a couple of other photographs up there.
These are photographs of the day we did the shoot.
Now, these are my photographs, not those of Dark Skies.
I await Dark Skies to send me the promo photos that I'm sure they're going to have.
In the meantime, these are some that my wife took.
And I think you'll see myself, General Twining, the man who played General Twining in uniform, and the man who played Hubert Humphrey.
And you will see a couple of photographs of the day we did the Dark Skies shoot up there as well.
So that is there.
And of course, Dark Skies, the appearance coming up on December 14th.
That's a Saturday night on NBC.
So that's kind of a catch-up on what's available on the webpage right now.
And you might catch me tomorrow night if you get a chance on Strange Universe.
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He ended his second grueling day on the witness stand in his civil trial Monday, fending off a barrage of accusations that he murdered his ex-wife and her friend, admitting that he had contemplated suicide.
Daniel Petricelli, the lead attorney for the plaintiffs, contended that Simpson was planning to kill himself during the infamous Bronco Freeway Chase, quote, because you knew you were going to spend the rest of your life in jail, end quote.
No, that's incorrect, replied Simpson, though he did admit he was contemplating killing himself.
Earlier, Simpson testified he could not explain the blood found inside his Ford Bronco and at his estate or account for some of the cuts on his hand after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.
Petricelli also attacked Simpson's alibi, accused him of failing a lie detector test.
A federal judge has ordered accused CIA double agent Harold Nicholson held in jail pending trial on charges of conspiracy to spy for Russia.
Despite testimonials from his mother, sister, brother, and a childhood friend, the judge denied a request for the one-time CIA station chief for bail, so he's not going to get out, and I would agree he certainly should not get out.
The space shuttle Columbia used its long robotic arm to pluck a prototype satellite factory from space Monday night as a second satellite orbited nearby.
The satellite retrieval occurred at 9.01 p.m. Eastern Time and came three hours earlier than originally scheduled.
The co-pilot of the Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed near the Camaro Islands was unable to identify two detained men as suspected hijackers.
The hijacked airplane ditched in the sea, as you must know now, off the idyllic holiday islands Saturday after it ran out of fuel about 500 yards from the beach.
We are having too many accidents, airline accidents.
I just don't understand.
Maybe you do.
Winter weather causing havoc in Texas, other parts of the U.S., in Dallas and surrounding areas.
Dozens of accidents reported as commuters tried to go to work after snow and freezing rain created very hazardous driving conditions from Austin north all the way to the Oklahoma border.
This is indeed a very, very strange and severe winter, and it has only just begun.
So there you have it.
We're going to discuss any number of other things, but that'll do it for now.
I wonder how you feel about what you heard with regard to our missiles near Maelstrom.
That's an absolutely incredible story, and I wonder what you think the message was.
Why would they simply shut down our missiles?
Was the message that this kind of stuff has got to stop?
Was the message that, look here, you are not as much in control as you think you were or are?
Was the message one little slip and the world is done for?
Was the message, now you better begin talking to the other side, you better begin eliminating these weapons, or else, what do you think the message was?
Why do you think they would have done such a thing?
Moreover, not being precisely certain of the date that the incident occurred in Russia, I can imagine that they were fairly close.
And while it's bad enough to think about our missiles shutting down, it's even worse to contemplate Russian missiles beginning to light up and going into launch sequence at the same moment.
Isn't it?
All right, we're going to pause here at the bottom of the hour.
When we come back, it'll be open lines throughout the nighttime.
We've got some interviews planned for later in the week, and I'll tell you about those.
Vince de Pietro, for one, on Friday night, Saturday morning, and I'll fill you in on the rest.