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Aug. 15, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Kathy Keeton Cancer Cure

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many time zones, stretching from the Hawaiian and Texan Island chains all the way eastward, the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast Coast AM, and I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leading off, the lead batter this morning is Kathy Keaton.
		She is Bob Guccione's wife and much more.
		Bob Guccione was on the program, I guess it was a couple of weeks ago, and the mail has not stopped.
		In a moment, you're going to hear a story that really should begin to set off alarm bells with you.
		And I think Bob Guccioni said it very well a couple of weeks ago.
		There is no family, or just about no family across all this great expanse that I speak to, that has not been touched by cancer.
		And so the story you're going to hear is an amazing story, a cautionary tale for many, and something you better listen to very, very carefully.
		So coming up in a couple of moments, Kathy Keaton.
		During a career spanning over three decades, Kathy Keaton has parlayed a fascination with science, health, and marketing into successful and highly regarded magazines, has been leading general media incisively into the electronic and interactive areas.
		Has joined, actually did join the firm in London in 1965 when the company's flagship magazine Penthouse was being launched.
		Skeeton has played a key role in developing and publishing operations and in strategic planning.
		In addition, she's earned distinction as a best-selling author and a dedicated community and industry activist.
		Skeeton co-founded with her husband, Bob Guccioni, the leading consumer science publication, Omni and Longevity, a monthly dedicated to the art and science of staying young.
		Both of these titles are now available exclusively on America Online and have their own internet web sites.
		In addition, General Media owns a group of automotive titles, including Four-Wheeler, Stock Car Racing, Drag Racing, Monthly, and Open Wheel, as well as the online versions of Omni-Longevity and the Venerable Saturday Review and a comic book division.
		Mrs. Keaton's first book, Woman of Tomorrow, St. Martin's Press, was a serious analysis of the impact of modern technology on women's lives.
		Her book, Longevity, The Science of Staying Young, Viking Penguin, If You Want It, was a critically acclaimed bestseller in the U.S. and internationally.
		She developed and hosted Rejuvenetics, a video exercise series designed to help people live better longer.
		Then in May of 1995, Ms. Keaton was diagnosed with late stage four, that's late stage four breast cancer, which essentially is a death penalty normally.
		It had spread throughout her body.
		Her doctors advised her to go on to chemotherapy, which they said would give her a few more months.
		She refused it and instead chose to take the inexpensive drug hydrazine sulfate, which costs all of about three bucks, $3 a week.
		She knew about it through articles that had appeared in Penhouse OmniAnd Longevity over the years today.
		Ms. Keaton is practically cancer-free and is determined to help the drug gain application for a new drug approval status so that doctors can prescribe it and thousands of others in need can benefit from it.
		Here is Kathy Keaton.
		Kathy, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Hi, good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
		Actually, for you, morning.
		It's late.
unidentified		Morning, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So thank you for staying up so late for us.
		Yours is a very serious story before the cancer.
		In other words, you were one very, very serious.
unidentified		I went to my GP for a checkup six weeks beforehand, and he told me I was completely healthy.
		I went to my gynaecologist, and I had a mammogram six weeks beforehand.
		My gynecologist remarked me with, I wish I had your blood profile.
		And you're fine.
		There's nothing on the scan.
		And away I went.
		And then I started to feel tired.
		And that was all I felt to begin with.
		Just tired.
		Very, very, very tired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we even move there, Kathy, what is your opinion of mammograms?
unidentified		It's a 40-year-old technology.
unidentified		If we can see, you know, oil under the ground from outer space, surely we could do something better than a mammogram.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that science...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, Kathy, that science, medical science, has ignored specifically women's medical problems in favor of men's?
unidentified		Yeah, mammogram's a horrible thing to have, too.
		I mean, it's torture.
		I think perhaps it's responsible in a way for giving you cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was going to be, I guess, my next question.
		What you feel might have brought this on?
		Now, I just read a lot of what you're doing.
		You were a very, very busy woman.
unidentified		I have no idea.
unidentified		I should never have gotten cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stress?
unidentified		That's the only explanation that I can think of because I ate all the right foods.
		I exercised.
		I did everything.
		I took all the seleniums and the vitamins.
		Did everything that, you know, they say should do all this stuff, you don't get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about your?
unidentified		I don't have it in my family either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're managing to stay one step ahead of me.
		I was going to ask you about genetic propensity.
		No, huh?
unidentified		Oh, nowhere there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this thing came totally out of the blue.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just shocked, to say the least.
		I mean, I've been healthy all my life.
		I've never had a sick day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never had a sick day?
unidentified		No, and I had tremendous energy and boundless energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you discovered this, you just started to get tired?
unidentified		Just started to get tired, and I don't know, didn't feel great.
		And then I started to get a pain in my stomach, and my stomach got very bloated.
		And then I started to lose my appetite.
		And then Bob insisted that I went to the doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And, of course, he sent me for a sonogram, and they sent me for a CAT scan.
		And when I got out of the CAT scan, they said, go to your regular GP, and there was Bob.
		And I knew it was something very serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's everybody's nightmare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I guess they sit you down, and what did they tell you?
unidentified		They said that I had about between three to six weeks to live, and that perhaps chemo would give me a 20% chance of recovery.
		It wasn't good enough for me.
		Meaning 20%.
		Not knowing what, you know, the tortures that you go through with chemo.
		I know.
		And knowing how useless it is, essentially.
		And 25% of people die from the chemo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I wasn't going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a 20% chance of remission?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what they were talking about?
unidentified		I mean, that's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you had printed articles for how long on hydrazine?
unidentified		10 years.
		And 10 years ago, a girlfriend of mine was very ill.
		She'd been in a cast for four months, and it had spread to her lungs.
		And the doctors told her she had no chance at all.
		She'd been through all the chemo and all the radiation.
		And Bob and I were on holiday in South Africa, and Bob talked to her father, and we got the stuff out to her, and she started to take it in South Africa, and she got a lot stronger.
		And then we brought her to the States to see Joe Gold, who said, my God, this girl is in a lot worse state than anybody's told us.
		Her lungs are about 80% gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's Dr. Gold, right?
unidentified		Yeah, but she persisted with the hydrazine.
		And I went back to South Africa six months later.
		She was dancing at my cousin's wedding then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Now she's got three gorgeous kids, and she's fine.
unidentified		She's been fine for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that all she did, Kathy?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Two pills a day.
		It was miraculous that a woman should have children after having gone through radiation and chemotherapy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they gave you this horrible little thing, and I suppose, what did you do?
unidentified		Yeah, and then when I said I wasn't going to do it, they started calling me an idiot and a fool, and I was going to die.
		And they were very serious.
		They nagged me to death, and they nagged Bob to death, too.
		I mean, they would call him up and say, you know, we've got to talk her into this.
		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know at that moment what you were going to do or did you just kind of go home in shock and think about it?
unidentified		Well, I knew what I was going to do.
		I wasn't going to take chemotherapy.
		I was going to take hydrazine.
		And, you know, from the very beginning, I had no doubts I'd get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to be clear, Kathy, to be clear, they said stage four.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it began.
unidentified		That's pretty much the end of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stage four, breast cancer, whether or not you would have a mastectomy or anything else wouldn't matter.
unidentified		I don't know how you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it was already throughout your entire body.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I never had any stuff like that.
		And I'm fine.
		My hair never fell out.
		It's luxuriant because hydrazine has the side effect of making your hair grow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you find out about hydrazine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First find out?
unidentified		We first ran a story by Gary Null in the magazine, and it was a kind of roundup of cancer cures.
unidentified		And that was our first introduction to hydrazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I spoke with Bob, he said that you needed more than the hydrazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You needed a vitamin to go with it as well.
unidentified		Yeah, vitamin K. Vitamin K. Which I eventually located after much trial and tribulation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's a million people out there this morning listening, saying, all right, here's something I think I'd like to do.
unidentified		What would you say to people that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not essential.
unidentified		No, and I will give the address to anybody who wants to get it.
unidentified		And it's, you know, it's available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next problem is for somebody out there who's been diagnosed, if they're in the middle of chemo or radiation, what can they do?
unidentified		They do.
		Living works rather well with radiation.
		It perpetuates it.
		You just need less of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about finding a doctor?
unidentified		That's true with chemo, too.
		Well, all I can say is that people have got to remember that they are paying the doctor's bills.
		And that gives them the right to demand what treatment they want, what they want the doctor to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how does that work?
unidentified		If they don't have a doctor that's willing to make phone calls and go along with finding out things for them, he's not worth paying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly agree with that.
		I certainly agree with that.
		I wonder, though, how most doctors react.
		They're probably very ignorant of the doctors.
unidentified		Well, some of them react very well and are very open-minded and they call and they're having a lot of success with their patients.
unidentified		And some of them are real SOEs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, they don't understand patients.
unidentified		And they won't.
unidentified		And those are the doctors that don't deserve to be called doctors anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If necessary.
unidentified		I've forgotten about people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If necessary, Kathy, do you have a list of doctors that have already, in effect, been convinced?
unidentified		Well, yes.
unidentified		I have a list of one right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A list of one, Dr. Gold?
unidentified		No.
		His name is Lee Ratna, and he's at Mount Sinai.
		He's an oncologist.
		I see.
		And he has 25 patients using hydrazine, all with good results, excellent results.
		And one woman in particular is seeing significant tumor reduction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any specific kind of cancer that it works well against, and are there any that it does not?
unidentified		It works best against lung cancer and lymphoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which are the deadliest.
unidentified		And it also works extremely well against prostate cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does?
unidentified		Yes.
		And it works against brain tumors.
		It works for children with lymphoma and, you know, leukemia and brain tumors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Side effects?
unidentified		It's mildly constipating, and that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mildly constipating, that's it.
unidentified		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When does a person begin to notice, when did you begin to notice?
unidentified		Almost right away.
		The one drawback that hard resin's got is you've got to go on this fairly draconian diet.
		And if you don't.
		I happen to really like the food stuff I can't eat.
		So for me, it's draconi.
		But I can't eat cheeses, which I love.
		I can't eat avocados.
		I can't eat bananas.
		I can't eat sausages and bacon and, you know, hot dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words.
unidentified		Because they are affected by the hydrogen.
unidentified		They destroy the effect of the hundreds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so it simply is not effective if you...
unidentified		And you could make yourself quite sick, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remain on that diet now?
unidentified		I remain on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you continue to take hydrazine.
unidentified		Virtuously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you continue to take hydroxyl.
unidentified		Um.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You obviously at some point.
unidentified		About 10 weeks.
		I had another CAT scan.
		And it showed that the major threat to my life, which was the tumor that had wrapped itself around my aorta and my vena corva, had melted away, disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Melted away?
unidentified		It's gone.
		And a lot of the tumors in my abdomen went too.
		The tumors that remained were my pancreas and my liver.
		And unfortunately, one tumor particularly was blocking the bile duct.
		And so Joe Gold suggested that I have a small dose of radiation.
		As I said, hydrazine potentiates radiation.
		So he wanted them to have like maybe a third of the dose that they would normally give.
		Where instead of doing that, they didn't believe it, didn't believe anything.
		They gave me more than the dose.
		And that really had a very negative effect on me.
		The radiation was by far worse than the cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What radiation, what did the radiation do with respect to that tumor?
unidentified		The lymph node that was closing my bowel ducts up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, did it have the desire?
unidentified		It burnt my whole stomach away.
		It burnt my GI tract away.
		Totally.
		I couldn't eat.
		I had to have a tube inserted in me, and they had to feed me intravenously because there's no way I could eat.
		And it caused tremendous pain.
		Oh, it was excruciating pain.
		They put me on intravenous painkillers and I got hooked on the wean myself off of it, which was not easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you off the painkiller?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm totally off painkillers now.
unidentified		I take, you know, Advil if I need something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a funny thing I have found when I've been in pain that painkillers make me dumb and I still have pain, but aspirins don't work.
unidentified		Aspirin works quite well, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really does.
unidentified		I've been off painkillers since for a couple of months at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is this such a great secret?
unidentified		Because the NCI doesn't want people to know about it.
		They don't want to know about a cheap drug out there that's going to cure people.
		I mean, look at the business that's going to take away.
		I'll give you an example.
		I have one pill for nausea, which is nausea caused by the radiation.
		It's 50 bucks a pill.
		It's just one thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50 bucks a pill?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And it's simply to get rid of the nausea that sometimes I still get from the radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many people who feel that other alternative ways of going at that work, like marijuana, for example, particularly with respect to nausea from radiation.
unidentified		Yes, I believe it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe it does?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a big fight going on, you know, Kathy, about medical marijuana.
unidentified		Well, I think, you know, it should be allowed to be used medically.
		Doctors should be able to prescribe it without any problems.
		But it does.
		I mean, clearly does help people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were diagnosed in 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should have been dead a long time ago.
unidentified		I should have, yeah, but I'm not.
unidentified		I'm very much here and alive and kicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can hear that.
		Yes.
		People, of course, like yourself in various stages are absolutely desperate out there.
		And as I said, many may have already begun radiation therapy or chemotherapy, Kathy.
unidentified		Well, they can tell their doctors to call Joe Gold and find out what to do from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call Dr. Gold.
unidentified		But it has to be a doctor.
unidentified		It can be a nurse or it can be a dentist also, but it's got to be somebody in the medical profession.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's the way to do it.
		We can't really, obviously, dispense medical advice here on the airline.
unidentified		No, and I have just started my own website where I will answer questions.
unidentified		It's got a bulletin board where I'll be able to answer the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the break, Kathy, I'm going to get...
		Okay, I know.
		We're coming up at a break.
		During the break, I'm going to come in the phone and get your website address.
		Can I do that?
unidentified		Yes, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stand by.
		We're at a break.
		It's about one of the hour now.
		My guest is Kathy Eaton.
		And we're going to get the website address and get a link up.
		Stay right where you are.
		This is CBC.
unidentified		When it's all right, it's coming up.
		We gotta get right back where we started from.
		Love is good, love is strong.
		We gotta get right back where we started from.
		Oh, my God.
		Call art bell, toll free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's who we are.
		My guest is Kathy Keaton.
		She was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer, which means it's throughout your entire body.
		She is taking hydrazine sulfate, and I'm going to ask her a little bit about that now.
		And by the way, in just a moment or two, we believe that we are going to have Ms. Keaton's web link up on our web page.
		But I understand that all of you do not have computers.
		I'll monitor and let you know when it gets up there.
		In the meantime, Kathy, if people want to know more, and believe me, from the last show with Bob, I know they do, and they don't have a computer, not everybody does.
		What do they do?
unidentified		Everything they could possibly want to know is in the current issue.
unidentified		Penthouse is the September issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The September issue penthouse.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		It's the whole story and everything I took and the whole thing behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		So that's another way.
		Go buy penthouse.
unidentified		That's another way.
unidentified		An easy way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then barring that, if somebody's afraid, you know, there's some people that will be afraid to go buy a penthouse.
unidentified		Go to the public library and ask for books on hydrazine that have been written.
unidentified		Ralph Moss has an excellent book out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell me about hydrazine, Kathy?
unidentified		Hydrazine is a, it's been around for a long time.
		It's been in a pharmacopoeia for about 55 years.
		Uh-huh.
		And in addition to its medicinal purposes and values, it has other attributes.
		It's a rocket fuel.
		And it's a very effective industrial cleaner.
		Therefore, it's made in huge quantities, and that's why it's so cheap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea how it works?
unidentified		Yes, it interferes with the digestive pathways of your bodies.
		What happens is cancer diverts all of the food to itself.
		So your body gets nothing and you starve.
		You get tachyxia.
		But this redirects the food back to the body and starves the tumors.
		And the body itself can start taking over.
		And the body itself is, in the end, the most powerful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a double whammy.
		It's a double whammy.
		It directs the nutrition back into your body so it keeps you from wasting away and it starves the cancers.
unidentified		Right.
		And it allows your immune system to rebuild, too.
		And so you can fight the cancer yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then you also need this, you said draconian diet.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, unfortunately, diet is part of the thing.
		There are other things you can't have too, like alcohol.
		Certainly tranquilizers, sleeping pills, painkillers, except for one kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Except for one kind?
unidentified		Darlauda, absolutely no sleeping pills.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this, Kathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much effect do you think the diet itself has versus how much the hydrazine sulfate is having?
unidentified		Well, the diet just preserves the hydrazine sulfate.
unidentified		It doesn't have any effect one way or the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the real active agent, then, is...
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your outlook now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you go to the doctor now.
unidentified		My doctor is amazed.
		He can't believe it.
		Neither can anybody else up at Mount Sinai.
		That's why they're using it up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they are using it at Mount Sinai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How in the world, Kathy, and I asked Bob this too, do we get it beyond Mount Sinai?
unidentified		Well, hopefully the lawsuit will push this through.
		The lawsuit will force the NCI to redo the trials under the good circumstances this time.
		That's what we hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a way people can help with the lawsuit?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		They can write to the president and support us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		President of the United States.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Kathy, would you be willing to answer a couple of questions from the audience?
		You would?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In that case, I would like to take a couple of questions from the audience.
		And so, folks, if you have a question for Kathy Keaton, now would be a good time to come.
		And I know that many of you do.
		I'm sure that I've not managed to think of everything, so I'm going to open the phone lines and we'll see what we get.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Kathy Keaton.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Good evening.
		Kathy.
		I'm from Michigan here.
		What I called about was that I'd like to get some information about your letter.
		Because I can't hear you on the radio because the only station that carries you, it's doesn't put out enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, about what letter, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you want to get?
unidentified		Like your newsletter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		All right.
		I'll give you a quick number and then I've got to go because we have a guest here.
		It's 1-800-917-917-4278.
		4278.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Kathy Keaton.
		Good morning.
		Do the wild thing.
		It's 702-727-1295.
		Paul, that's the one thing we don't let you do is put your last name on the air.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's try it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are Paul, and where are you calling from, Paul?
unidentified		I'm calling from Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And as I was driving home, I was listening to Art.
unidentified		Are you Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I was listening to you on the phone, I mean on the radio, and I was very interested about what Kathy had to say.
		I was diagnosed as having cancer about two and a half years ago.
		And my doctor, I had a meeting with him just the other day, and he can't understand why I'm still alive.
		And they cannot find any signs of malignant cancer, but all they can find in me is signs of scar tissue and dead cells that are suspiciously carcinoma.
		And he can't figure out, but I'm doing certain things that follow him up.
		I'm using certain, not drugs, I don't believe in drugs.
		I'm using certain things that are like different herbs.
		SEACT?
		Pardon?
		SEACT?
		Are you using that?
		No.
		I'm using pycnogenol.
		I'm using reservitol.
		I'm using selenium and higher doses than what you normally should use.
		Plus, I'm using something else that have you ever heard of the Rife Society, which has been outlawed by the AMA people.
		And it's a frequency situation.
		And I've been taking these frequency doses for elimination of carcinoma and other things.
		And I can't explain it all away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps you should be considering hydrazine sulfate.
unidentified		I probably should be, but I don't know what it is or how you spell it or anything else.
unidentified		And can you give me that information or can you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yes.
		I can certainly tell you how to spell it.
		It's H-Y-D-R-A-Z-I-N-E sulfate, S-U-L-F-A-T-E.
		And by the way, the webpage link is up right now.
		So you can go up on the web and or go to the library and go up on the web or get the September issue of Playboy.
unidentified		Penthouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Penthouse.
		Sheesh.
		You'll be able to get the whole story.
		That's the one on the stands now.
		So there you are.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, you know, your St. Louis audience has pretty much been wiped out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		W-I-V-V, right.
		There'll be a change there shortly.
		Is there anything?
		Do you have a question for Kathy?
		No, I guess not.
		First time caller align, you're on the air with Art Bell and Cassie Keaton.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Who's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Oh, I guess not.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Cassie Keaton.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Do you remember me?
unidentified		I'm the lady who called about the ether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		You do remember me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		There was a hospital in Ohio, and they cured cancer with just plain ether.
unidentified		Can you ask Kathy that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's right here.
unidentified		Hi.
		I don't know anything about that.
		I'm sorry.
		Have you ever heard of that?
		No.
		Okay, I don't know the chemical compound of ether, but it must cure cancer.
		Well, I really don't.
		I've never heard about that.
		You've never heard of that?
		No.
		Oh, well.
		Maybe I can get the information to your art and mail it out to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, BB, happy to receive it.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Kathy Keaton and Art Bell.
		Hello.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
		Two questions for Kathy Keaton.
		One, she indicated that the vitamin K3, which was described by Bob Luccioni a week or so ago, K3 or K2 is not an absolute necessity and that hydrazine sulfate will work without it, but it works better with it.
		Better with it.
		Yeah, first question.
		It sounded like K3 or K2 was not available in the United States.
		No, it's available from Italy.
		Right, but it may be, I assume, available out of places like Mexico.
		Second question.
		Yeah, second question, and maybe a more significant one with respect to your background, is I've got relatives by marriage in Cape Town.
		And the other day they sent me a three-page article out of U magazine from July 97.
		And the three-page article had to do with the extraordinary success that people have achieved using some infusion or some broth or some such of the South African potato, or Hypoxis ruperi, I believe is the scientific name.
		If your organization does not know about the South African potato, it may be worthy of a follow-up by Penthouse Magazine.
		I might add that it does not attack tumors directly from what I was able to read, but it does stimulate the immune system itself to attack the tumors.
		One interesting benefit because of the immune system references is that it has successfully, at least in one instance that was mentioned in the article, successfully cured AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well, we'll hold it there.
		Kathy, South African potatoes.
unidentified		We'll have to check that one out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ether and a million other things that people are talking about.
unidentified		Well, as soon as I get what I want with hydrazine, I'll concentrate on the rest.
		But in the meantime, I want the one that costs three bucks a week.
		After penetrating, it's got a 65% cure rate.
		And it's been the subject of 76 tests already, all of them successfully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A 65% cure rate against all kinds of cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely astounding.
unidentified		That's amazing, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is amazing.
unidentified		A million people a year are going to die of cancer by the year 2000.
		And just think of being able to save more than half.
		By the way, that number of 65% comes from studies on hydrazine that were done over a 17-year period in Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do people get hydrazine sulfate?
unidentified		At the moment, you can get it from small mail-holder companies.
unidentified		The one I get it from is Great Lakes Metabolics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great Lakes Metabolics, huh?
unidentified		That's in Wisconsin somewhere.
		But if you, I mean, it's easy enough to check it out at a health food store.
		All right.
		Make other things, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would people proceed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They get a hold of their doctor and their doctor would get it or they get it and they bring it.
unidentified		The doctor would call Joe Gold and they would give him information about where to get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is Dr. Gold?
unidentified		In Syracuse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Syracuse, New York.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And I'm not going to give his phone book enough because he's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, you better not do that.
unidentified		But people can find him easily enough in the phone book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Kathy Keaton.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is Daniel.
		Hi, Daniel.
		Hi, Kathy.
		I'm calling from Southeast Michigan.
		I refer to myself as East of the Rockies because I actually pick up the Art Bell station on 13 different stations.
		We're kind of in an acoustic sweet spot here in the Midwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		I get you from all over the country, but not out of Detroit.
		No, you aren't.
		Kathy, I really appreciated your book, Longevity.
		Oh, thank you.
		I actually was able to diagnose a serious problem that I had out of just the information that you contained in your book, inform my doctor about it.
		He was very open-minded and sympathetic, and prescribed to me the perfect medication.
		It was a perfect example of the kind of model that you were talking about in your book.
		And Art, I actually faxed you something about Kathy's longevity right after the program because I wanted to make sure that you realized the seriousness of the kind of student she has been and how incredible that she should get cancer.
		And Kathy, the reason that I got through on the million-to-one shot that Art was talking about last night with his adventures with Fidgetman after having fatched it was because I want to know, did people explore the possibility of a virally induced cancer in your case?
		When you travel in Europe, you can catch anything.
		I certainly did a great deal of traveling.
		Whether I caught it or not, I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		There is the hypothesis that some cancers are virally induced.
		And if anybody would not be slow-growing a cancer, but would suddenly catch a virus that go ripping through your soft tissue, especially since you say hydrazine seems to be most beneficial in soft, fatty tissues like brain, breast, prostate, things like that.
		I don't have the answer to that.
		Not enough is known about hydrazine, unfortunately, because no money, literally no money has been spent on it.
		And we need desperately to develop an intravenous form.
		Then the 65% would become 100% because it's only because they can't digest the stuff that the other 40% of people don't get any benefit from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you presently take it in pill or form?
unidentified		I take it in pill form.
		It's the only form it's available that I know of.
		And there needs to be, as I said, an intravenous form developed.
		There needs to be a liquid form developed because some people who've got cancers of the throat just can't swallow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So where is the research now?
unidentified		The research is nowhere.
		There's no money for it.
		Joe Gold has got little or no money and lives on support from people like us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Kathy Keaton.
		Good evening or morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Sorry, it's evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Fine.
		Turn your radio off, please, sir.
unidentified		It's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And go right ahead.
unidentified		Hi, Kathy.
		My name is Dennis calling out of Reno.
		One thing that I has not been mentioned here, it seems you're still taking these pills.
		Yes.
		Until when?
		Well, maybe for a long time to come, but I don't care.
		Well, no, that's uncertainty.
		They're keeping my cancer under control.
		It's not going to come back again, which is what happens with all cancers that get to the stage that I was in.
		So they have chemotherapy, they have radiation, and the thing comes right back and kills them.
		And it's worse the second time.
		So at this point in time, hydrazine will never let it come back.
		So you're going to just probably continue to take it the remainder of your life?
		Yes, off and on.
		What type of diet are you on?
		Well, I want a diet that excludes anything with the amino acid teramine in it.
		It excludes alcohol.
		It excludes sleeping pills.
		But, you know, it's worth it.
		It's really worth it compared to what people with chemo go through.
		I never got sick.
		I never got nauseous.
		I've never felt bad for this stuff.
		I've had no side effects from it.
		As I understand, when your husband was on the show, it shouldn't run but maybe $150 a year.
		Yeah, that's what it costs.
		Well, I do appreciate that.
		I think even people without insurance can afford that.
		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much, and good morning, East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Kathy Keaton.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, Mr. Bell, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Atlanta, Georgia.
unidentified		This is Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mark.
unidentified		The oxygen therapy.
		Oxygen therapy, you mean?
		Uh, Kathy, this is, uh...
		Let me tell you something about this.
		Hydrogen peroxide medical miracle by William Camless Douglas, MD.
		I've been drinking food-grade hydrogen peroxide, 35%.
		It is rocket fuel, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you have, sir?
unidentified		Okay, let me tell you something.
		Have you heard of Betsy Russell Manning?
		She wrote a book called Self-Treatment for AIDS, Oxygen Therapy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have AIDS?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		It cleaned the arteries three and a half years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or you had AIDS?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		What I've done is I've read four books on oxygen therapy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my question is, why were you taking these treatments?
unidentified		Okay, I have severe allergies three and a half years ago.
		I've had it for almost 40 years.
		It's called seasonal conjunctivitis.
		I had it back in 1958.
		And I've taken a lot of herbs and that sort of thing.
		A friend of mine gave me a paper called Oxygen and the Future of Life on Earth by Waves Forest, Monterey, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It was a 19-page report.
		It kills hydrogen peroxide, 35%.
		Food grade is pure.
		It kills viruses 2,000 times faster than peroxide and death.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		Kathy, we're at the end of the hour.
		You're welcome.
unidentified		It's been great being on the show, and I really appreciate you having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We've got the web link up right now.
		People can go see for themselves.
unidentified		And if they want to post a message, I'll be happy to answer them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll answer email.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kathy, have a good night, and thank you for being with us.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		That's Kathy Keaton.
		Bob Guccione's wife.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
		This is Art Bell.
unidentified		Hang on.

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