Robert Morning Sky details a 1996 hit-and-run near his Arizona home—June 6th, linked to 666—and warns of threats tied to his Terror Papers research exposing suppressed UFO history and Templar connections to Scion, a group allegedly fabricating Jesus’s lineage for global control. He traces claims to medieval records, Hopi prophecies (Hale-Bopp Comet as Nangasafu), and Barbara Thiering’s Dead Sea Scroll analysis, suggesting Mary Magdalene’s descendants manipulated history. Morning Sky insists on verifiable evidence but pauses public lectures due to safety risks, urging listeners to question all narratives before institutional collapse reveals deeper truths. [Automatically generated summary]
Now, I received a worldwide distribution announcement, I guess, about Robert Morning Sky.
There was a hit-and-run accident.
Put the word accident, I guess, in quotes.
And for a time, Mr. Morning Sky went into hiding.
For all I know, he's still in hiding now.
He sent first a facts regarding that, then this announcement.
Ladies and gentlemen, for just over one year, I've had the honor and the privilege to be able to share the story of my grandfather's rescue of a star being.
I've also had the extraordinary good fortune to be able to share some of my own research with you.
Research that reveals a dark past, a hidden history of planet Earth.
An unspoken and deliberately suppressed truth through the power structure of the UFO community.
Though it's resisted us, I am extremely proud of the response that you, the average citizen, have shown me.
I've always believed the average man and woman knows they have been lied to throughout their lives.
I believe that every one of us is also aware that there's more to life than work, taxes, patriotism, and guilt.
I thank you for embracing my suggestion that man has been deceived.
It is, therefore, with some degree of sadness that I advise you that I will no longer make any public appearances, nor will I offer any further workshops on the Terror Papers.
This was not an easy decision.
Several things necessitated.
The, quote, accident, end quote, which I just suffered.
The time that I have spent away from my family, the fulfillment of ancient prophecies, the appearance of the Hailbop Comet, the newest scorpion crop circle formations, the uncovering of evidence of a secret family manipulating the world, the evidence of a soon-to-be second coming.
All this and more have brought me to this place.
Ladies and gentlemen, the time is short.
The prophecies suggest that.
I believe it is important for me to complete the books which I have begun.
I honestly believe you would prefer to know more about the hidden history and the hidden present rather than just review the hidden history.
I firmly believe if you have found my work up to this time to be worthy, then you will be astounded at what is to come.
I hope you will understand and continue to support my work.
Thank you, Robert Morning Sky.
And that was the, I believe, essence of the most recent announcement.
I suppose some people who, you know, have known me in the last year and a half and have known the thousands of miles that we've traveled may depict it as such.
No, I don't want to portray it in that fashion.
Just want to be tucked away and to be able to finish the work that we began to finish out some of the things that we promised we would do and try to remain out of harm's way.
Obviously, had he struck you head-on, okay, I don't know, I'll ask, but I would assume that had he struck you head-on and actually run over you in the classic way we imagine it, you wouldn't be here talking with me at all.
Well, I was running actually on the side of the road, and I don't want to sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but I am a dancer and I have performed in many powwows and my presentation.
So I like to think that I'm healthy and stay in shape.
And actually what happened was when I heard, perhaps even felt the car behind me, and I don't know.
I don't know why I didn't hear it.
I don't think I was caught up in any thoughts, but I turned enough to see it coming, and I literally just leaped as hard as I could to the side of the road.
And I was very fortunate in that I can't say that I actually recall the collision, but I actually, when I hit a grass, I was kind of near a ditch and I rolled down into the ditch.
And I stayed there for just a few moments just to see if I could hear or see anything.
I didn't.
And as I said, it was only just a couple of blocks from home.
But that jump may have saved your life, and you really can't afford to take a chance that your assessment is right, that if they'd really wanted to kill you, they would have killed you, obviously.
And the reason it was interesting to me is because I have a young man in Los Angeles who called me that very same evening, and we were talking about, do you realize what a momentous day it is?
And I said, well, you know, I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but he was looking at the calendar and he came up with 666.
I did exactly, you know, as you started out, I got my family and I said, okay, well, you know, we just can't take a chance here.
So where I used to live, where I used to reside, I'm no longer there.
And we called a private physician, someone that I've known for years.
And I said, look, I'm pretty sure I can get through the night.
We moved the family essentially to safety.
And I went to go see him in the morning.
He encouraged me, of course, to file a police report.
But it's like, you know, what's the point?
What am I going to do here?
I was much more concerned with staying out of the picture, keeping my family together.
And if, in fact, it happened, as I think it happened, that it was a deliberate warning, I'd like to look at it that way as opposed to a deliberate attempt to take me out.
I'd just look at it as a warning.
And we need to think about what we're going to do next.
Not too long ago at the end of May, I received a package in the mail from an individual in Europe who publishes a magazine and said, listen, Robert, would you please take a look at this material?
My passion in the research that we have been doing has always been linguistics.
And he said, would you please take a look at the linguistics, look at this new information, this new data.
And I will go so far as to say that it was from France, the information was.
And it was in regards to the Templar Knights.
And I have always been intrigued with the Templar Knights.
Well, the Templar Knights were a group that were essentially formed in roughly 1200 A.D. and created to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land.
These were heroic knights, warrior monk knights is how they identified themselves.
They were put together in order to protect the pilgrims from bandits and robbers, etc., when they were on their pilgrimage to Jerusalem, to the Holy Land.
They were very, very well received because, in fact, they did just that.
They protected the pilgrims.
They were an order that dedicated themselves to the Holy Mother Mary.
And in less than ten years, the entirety of Europe welcomed them with open arms, gave them land, castles, monies, and gifts, and they became a very, very powerful force.
After a short time, they left the Holy Land and began to establish themselves in France, where they suddenly seemed to have turned on the very oath that they had taken.
For example, in pledging themselves to the Holy Mother Mary, suddenly they're accused of doing things like spitting on the cross and trampling on it, denying the validity of the authority of the church.
Essentially, it seems as if they were contradicting the very, very basic premise that they had seen as rebellious to the church and religion and blasphemous, no doubt.
The Pope himself, along with King Philip the Fair of France, trumped up some charges.
And one of the things that came out of the trial was that these Templar Knights, a holy order dedicated, again to the Virgin Mary, I cannot stress how important that was, they actually were accused of and admitted to having in their possession this very mysterious head.
It was known as Baphomet.
And The Templar Knights are a very interesting paradox in that a very holy, religious, very strict and disciplined order of monks who suddenly seem to, after 200 years, seem to have turned on the entire Christian faith and in particular in the church.
What has since transpired, and there are several authors who, and I've got to give a lot of credit to Bayesian Lee and Lincoln gentleman who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Messianic Legacy, they've researched it and they discovered that apparently the Templar Knights were very well aware and seemed to have some sort of documented evidence that showed that, and well,
here we go with your readers, or your listeners, I'm sure some will get upset, but there was documentary evidence that Jesus did not in fact die on the cross, but that he survived.
And apparently what the Templar Knights were doing were having the truth that Jesus was still alive.
And in fact, let's add some more logs to the fire.
Jesus was married and had children.
The children fled to France with their mother.
And that in essence, there was an entire line, a lineage descended from Jesus living in France.
The knights discovered this, they had pledged themselves to the Holy Mother, Mary, and in fact, began to defend this lineage from Jesus.
This in turn then prompted them to say, okay, wait a minute, if Jesus is alive and if his, excuse me, if he lived and he has descendants, who better to sit on the throne and head up the church than a descendant?
This then, of course, gives them reason to turn and deny the church, to deny the cross, because in fact Jesus didn't die.
So the Templar Knights, and again, there is documented evidence.
There are historical records that not just I, but several other people have been able to dig up that showed that there was a line descended from Jesus alive and well in France, and that the Templar Knights were aware of it.
And this is, I mean, anybody who begins to look into this story has to be incredibly intrigued with, you know, the possibilities, not just in the past, but what happens if some of these descendants are still alive today.
I had already done some research on these individuals and had sent this gentleman some information on them in the past.
And he said, look, I have some new information.
Take a look at it.
And I did.
And by going through a linguistic analysis and tying it in with some of the pieces that we had here, I was extremely excited.
I was beyond myself because one of the things that had always plagued me about these Templar Knights was this very curious, this very mysterious head that they were supposed to possess.
It was a bearded head, according to most.
And it had always bothered me.
You know, it's one of those puzzles that sticks with you and you just won't let go and it won't let go.
And I had known about this for many years.
And this new information allowed me to linguistically break down in French, in Latin, and in the Egyptian the identity of this mysterious head.
And you mentioned the fact that they came to believe that Jesus did not die on the cross, so it's easy to understand why the Christian world would be out head hunting, more or less.
Well, when the Templar Knights were brought before the court in France and essentially the Pope, one of the accusations was that they had in their possession, if not a real head, at least a symbolic head.
Though at the time they were accused of actually having what I guess would essentially be a mummified bearded head.
And the Templar Knights, quite to the surprise of many of their admirers, admitted to the fact that they did have this head in their possession.
But then the accusations began to fly that they revered the head, that they prayed to it.
Well, the descriptions in all of the books, if there are any descriptions at all, described it as a man's bearded head.
They did, the Inquisition did, in fact, in an inventory of the Grand Lodge, they listed a head and they gave it a very, very cryptic title.
It was in Latin, it was Kaput, C-A-P-U-T, and then the numbers L-B-I-I, which effectively mean 58 in Roman numerals, and then a very curious little letter M.
So the designation on the inventory, based on a description by one of the Templar Knights, was Kaput 58 and then this very curious little M.
And it had never been deciphered, though many people have tried and suggested it was essentially the head of Muhammad and on and on.
There were many, many things that, you know, many kinds of strange things attributed to it.
It was a very curious piece of material that assisted when it was sent to me by this gentleman in Europe.
I looked at that, compared it to some of the ancient Egyptian and Hebrew letters, and found that, well, in short, the identity was revealed.
It was quite astonishing, and I was absolutely excited because this head had plagued me for so long, only to find out what its identity was.
But I have to tell you, years ago, when I was part of the real world, I worked with newspapers and had been raised as a writer-reporter in the media and had to have three sources.
So, in fact, I went to some ancient Hebrew sources, Hebrew-Aramaic, and then I went to some French sources and, in fact, was able to verify the linguistic analysis of the head and who it represented.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, this suddenly opened up a floodgate, and it was the identity of head suddenly not only supported the fact that the family of Jesus or his descendants were alive in France.
And again, I've got to let you know that I am not the only one who has come to this conclusion.
There are several authors in Europe who have greater documentation, who have been able to verify that there are to this day descendants of Jesus alive in Europe.
However, what happened for me was that the deciphering of the head, of the identity of the head, allowed me to trace it back not only to the time of Jesus and Mary, but even beyond into ancient Egypt, into ancient Samaria.
I have at least three sources, and again, probably half a dozen authors in Europe.
The documentation is there.
And once the head is looked at as a symbolic head of Mary, suddenly not only the name, but several connections with the temples of Isis, the Delphi oracle, several things occurred that all brought it to life.
I wonder how and if you are able to integrate what you believe to be true now, this new knowledge you have, with what we have talked about so many times before, Robert, you know, a prophecy of Native American prophecy.
Does it, do you find highs?
Or are you, is your belief system beginning to shift?
What has occurred is, you know, as we have spoken in the past, I have, in the last year and a half, been a great deal of time taking the prophecies from cultures all over the world, you know, contemporary cultures as well as ancient cultures, my own people, etc.
And the prophecies all suggest that something is occurring.
The Halebach comet is most certainly one of the most significant factors in the prophecies coming to fruition.
But one of the things that occurred in the research of the Templar Knights and the existence of the lineage of Jesus, who is obviously called the Christ, what had happened was that we discovered that there was, in fact, a family not descended from Jesus, but whom Jesus was descended from.
In other words, he was a member of this family.
And this family could be traced back into ancient Egypt and forwards into contemporary times.
Well, I'll tell you, what happened, Art, with the greatest respect for everyone out there, and this is why I'm convinced that it wasn't an accident.
We have, and again, I direct people to Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Messianic Legacy, Grail Across the Atlantic, several other authors who have come to the same conclusion and who, in the course of their research, have found that they are being manipulated.
I mean, the question that they keep asking themselves is, why am I getting this information?
Why is this family essentially trying to present documented genealogy of the existence of offspring of Jesus?
In essence, what happened to me, and here's where I'm sure we're going to lose the world, lose the planet.
I hope the planet thinks I am so crazy that they'll leave me alone.
But essentially what occurred was that this particular family is manipulating a second coming.
In other words, the return of a descendant of Jesus.
And who better to head up the planet in unification, in bringing all the world's religions together and bringing the people together than a descendant of Jesus of whom nobody, nobody can say anything about.
If I were to criticize or you were to criticize this family, and this is the family descendant of Jesus, you're going to be very quickly labeled the Antichrist, blasphemous, and sacrilegious isn't enough.
But what occurred was I am sitting here spending a year and a half showing that prophecies are coming true, that in fact all of these things that are about to happen, when you look at it in context with the return of a descendant of Jesus, suddenly the world opens up to an entirely new scenario.
The prophecies that I have been supporting and talking about for a year and a half support the return of a descendant of Jesus.
Now, that's, I would think that the world would welcome me with open arms and my goodness, you know, here's the return of Hailbob, the signs are in the skies, the Hopi prophecies, the Amborizani prophecies, Samaria, Egypt, etc.
Suddenly, what I am doing is I am saying, yes, the prophecies are being fulfilled.
Yes, a descendant of the divinity is about to arrive.
Yes, I am the one who originally started calling an old, old Kachina figure the blue star.
It's known as Nangasuhu.
And according to Hopi prophecy, and again, I've got to go on record, and please excuse me, but I've got to tell people out there I am not a Hopi elder.
I'm not a spokesperson for anyone other than myself.
Okay, having said that, I've got to stop you right there because one of the messages that I've received from many people, and I'm going to ask you about it, Robert, is, and you can just shut your mouth or tell me you can't talk about it, but it's being said everywhere that you are in possession of the final four Hopi prophecies.
I'm sorry, that's not putting me under the gun here.
I'm told that I'm going to start by denying emphatically that that is the case.
On the other hand, I am sure that anyone who is familiar with any of the ancient cultures and the primitive societies, whatever that is, I'm really proud of the word primitive.
Anybody who holds prophecy is not about to declare to beings outside of their own culture that they're the holders of prophecy.
In Hopi prophecy, there are numerous stories and legends about the end of the fourth world.
We are considered to be in the fourth time, the fourth world now, and that is coming to a close.
And there are prophecies that suggest that at the end of the fourth world, one of the first signs in the skies will be a figure that is known as Nangasafu, a Kachina, a spirit who will be recognized because he has an extraordinarily long tail of feathers that he wears around his head, and he has a bright blue face with a black forearm star immediately on the face.
This is a very mysterious star spirit.
Most elders who know don't even talk about him.
But the first sign that the fourth world is about to end is that this spirit will appear in the sky.
But what makes it distinctive is that it has a tail that, according to prophecy, stretches one half of the sky in length at night.
Now, obviously, Hailbop is fulfilling this.
There are several other little small details in the myths and legends that suggest that the blue star Kachina Hailbop is returning.
There's another myth, another legend, and I'm really doing it a disservice by calling it a myth or a legend, but most civilized people are happy for me to label it that.
But a legend suggests that there will be at the end times a return of another spirit known as Bahana.
There are some Hopi elders who have interpreted it to mean the great white brother and have attributed the identity of Bahana to be some member of the Anglo race who will assist the Hopis in achieving their rightful place and bring peace and happiness to the Hopi people, etc.
But in fact, the linguistic, the literal linguistic definition of Bahana is great white companion, not brother.
And so what we have suggested in our book, Prophecy, is that there will be a second comet which will appear seven years after Hale Bopp, and that this one is going to be much larger.
It's going to be white, where the blue star will obviously have some sort of a blue aura to it.
And at that time, when this comet appears, the second one, is when the fourth world, as we know, will end.
Now, that does not mean death, doom, destruction, etc.
It simply means that things are going to change dramatically.
I would not be surprised if, in fact, it meant the end of several institutions and governments and even countries.
However, this is not a forecast of gloom and doom.
And so there are many ways for many people to look at what this prophecy seems to suggest will bring upon the world.
Hold on, Robert.
We'll be right back to you, my guest, is a Native American named Robert Morning Sky.
Stay right there.
Back to it we go.
One quick facts, and this is probably right on Mark, aren't very interesting, and I suggest that Mr. Morningsky is well-founded in his desire to stay out of the public eye.
The Knights Templar are still alive today, but more importantly is the priority of Scion.
This secret organization, which I've never heard of, has been around since the 12th century.
The current Grand Master is, and he gives a name I won't hear, these people are extremely powerful and indeed are hiding something very, very important.
I know a little bit about it, and I hope Robert is very careful.
Dave from Redwood City, sounds like good advice, Robert.
Well, this gentleman has hit it right on the head.
I was not aware of how alive they are today and how powerful they are until, as I said, I received this information and sent it back to France only to be treated, as I said, to an argument with an automobile.
So this gentleman is extraordinarily perceptive.
My feelings are mirrored exactly in what he says.
But I also, you know, I have to thank the gentleman, the pastor who wrote that first letter because one of the things that I have always marveled about in our lecture tour is that the practice of Christian temperance is relatively rare.
And for this gentleman to disagree with me and yet not attempt to crucify me, I got to go out of my way to thank him very, very much because I would like to think he's the rule.
Unfortunately, that is not the case.
But both of these gentlemen who submitted facts, thank you very much.
I thank you for tolerating me and for also understanding why it's necessary.
Obviously, we have not gotten in depth into the Knights Templar and how amazingly powerful they are.
But I'm sure that Dave, this last gentleman, thank you very much.
Then we're going to open the phone lines, and I suspect that crucifixion will begin.
We'll see.
As you know, Robert, I'm just an observer, a talk show host.
I hear many people of many faiths and beliefs, and all of them seem to suggest the same thing coming.
I call it the quickening.
Doesn't matter what you call it.
Events are certainly quickening, accelerating something.
We're headed toward a change, whether it's Robert Morning Sky or Scallion or Graham Hancock or, you know, I really could go on with a list that's nearly endless.
Everybody from different directions is saying roughly the same thing.
There's a big change coming, and it's not very far down the road.
You know, somebody who came over this afternoon asked me, you really going to do this?
And I said, you know, if there's any form where I'm going to get a fair chance, it's with Art Bell.
And so if perhaps what I can do is portray myself as so far out that it's not worth listening to me, save for the handful of, you know, truly dedicated researchers and people who want to know.
Maybe that's what I need to do is to, you know, really sound like I'm so far out that they'll leave me alone.
And perhaps I'm grasping at straws here, but the one thing that I want to do in the remaining time that I have with my research is to simply present the material and let people take a look at it and let them decide for themselves.
I have no problems with anyone who examines it and rejects it or sets it aside.
I obviously have a problem when people won't even look at it or label it before they even examine it.
All I hope to do is to present some material and then let the world run with it from there.
I frankly am extremely proud of the response we've had from the public.
As I said in the letter that you read, I think the general public is a lot smarter than our world leaders and supposed messiahs would have us believe.
I take it, ma'am, then, that you feel with what Robert Morning Sky has done, the papers he has, the belief system he's embraced, he is in danger.
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I believe that there are people around who do not want the truth about the Templars to come out.
From the research that I have done, what I have discovered is most of the information that is put out about the Templars has been put out about the, has been put out by the mortal enemies of the Templars throughout the centuries.
And therefore, most of what is written in the books is wrong.
I've also discovered that there are several false orders of Knights Templars.
And the real Templars are so deeply hidden that nobody can find them.
One of the things that I discovered in my work was that the head was not a head of a male, but it was a head of a female.
I thought that it was the head of the goddess.
However, I think Robert is right.
I think it is the head of Mary Magdalene.
And Robert, you know my friend Charmaine.
And so as soon as I get off the air, I'm going to give her a call and ask for your telephone number so I can call you tomorrow because there's a lot of things that we need to discuss.
About two years ago, because of my sincere research into the Knights Templars, I was allowed to attend one of the meetings.
And I would like to tell Robert some of the things that I discovered there.
Oh, listen, I appreciate very much the offer and will continue with the research, even though, as I said, I'm not going in the public eye.
But I have to add that the idea that the head, Bathomet, was of the goddess is still correct.
In other words, let's go ahead and put another nail in the coffin.
I'm going to suggest that Mary Magdalene, as well as the mother of Jesus, both named Mary, that name is, in fact, a title of a priestess of a goddess, the epiphany of the goddess.
And so I do not disagree at all with what is being said.
And I also want to add that, in fact, I absolutely agree that there are false Templar knights out there, and that there seems to be a concerted effort to portray them in a very, very bad light.
I'm not willing to do that.
In fact, in my papers, I go out of my way to stress that there is a conspiracy to make them look unlike what I believe they really are.
On the other hand, you know, which ones are the good guys, CIA or the KGB?
Which ones are the bad guys?
I mean, there's just not a whole lot of difference.
So any way you look at it, I suppose, you know, it's just not a topic that you're going to discuss in the public, but it is something that I think needs not only to be written about, but needs to be further researched.
And so I agree wholeheartedly with all the statements he's made, and I really do look forward to talking to you things.
Well, I mean, your very words have told me that you embrace what it is that you are telling us you have researched, that you believe it, in other words.
In other words, you have described to us basically the contents of the papers and the further research you have done regarding the lineage of Christ, of Mary.
And it sounds to me, and you stop me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me as though this is now not just what you are researching as a scientist would research something, but something that you now believe is true.
I would very much like to put all the information that we have.
The original Terra Papers document is over 1,500 pages, and obviously to print something like that gets to be quite monumental in cost.
We have literally thousands of pages of research, which assuming we can find the wherewithal to produce the tapes or the printing or even the video, you know, perhaps the video version of it, I would like to, yet, but at the moment, you know, it's about recuperation and basically staying out of the limelight.
I got kind of shy and took off real quick afterwards because it was terribly interesting, and I did a lot of reading of Zachariah Sitchin's books, and really enjoy your show and really enjoy learning.
Is it possible that these royal bloodlines births, which apparently they believe they are since they're descendants of Jesus, have fabricated this genealogy?
You know, it's funny because the paper which was the result of this new information, it was somewhat over 40 pages that I sent back to the gentleman in Europe in the hopes that they would print it there.
I was very concerned about printing it in the United States.
I had actually entitled the paper, The Second Coming Conspiracy.
And in fact, I outlined with documentation essentially what you are saying.
I believe that the genealogy is fake.
I believe it is a conspiracy to plant a supposed descendant on the throne in an effort to either create what might be called the One World Order or I believe it is a power play.
Frankly, I can't remember his name, but the fellow the Ayatollah gave the death sentence to in a lot of ways is probably safer right now than Robert Morningsky.
And he is my guest.
It is a very unusual topic, and we're not done with it.
So everybody, stay right where you are, and we will be right back.
Taxes I'm receiving range from blasphemy, of course, to things like Go Robert.
Art one question: How does Robert Morningsky currently earn a living to support himself and his family?
We'll ask that in a second.
Another one, dear art, Mr. Morningsky is right on the money.
Thanks for having him on.
And suggests I read books on the subject and so forth.
I know very little about the Templar Knights, more tonight than I guess I've ever heard.
I think that if there were a modern Inquisition, Robert, we would now be speaking with you as you were laid out on a table, probably with ropes on your arms and your legs, and we'd be able to hear the guy turning the little thing that would tighten it up, stretching you yet another inch or two every time you open your mouth.
I'm surprised at what has occurred and what has transpired.
But I'm, you know, so am I.
It's very, I am so very, very proud of the research that we have produced.
And then to go, and I have to thank you again very much for the opportunity to talk with you.
But then to have the facts and the kind of response that you're getting, which are basically saying they agree.
See, I believe that confirms what I'm trying to say.
I believe that we average everyday grunt human beings.
I'm not trying to be derogatory here, but those of us who work and are trying to strive for an honest existence and searching for evolution, we're being lied to.
We're being manipulated and deceived.
And the powers that be really don't want the truth to come out.
And so I think your response, or excuse me, the response of the facts that you're getting is the very, very thing that encouraged me in the beginning to do this.
And that's, I think the average listener knows that what's going on out there, what is portrayed as the truth, is not.
That it, in fact, is what is blasphemous and sacrilegious.
That is what denies man the ability to truly evolve.
The gentleman, the first fact that you read just before the break that suggests that the Antichrist, what better candidate than a man who stands in front of the public with a documented genealogy that shows he is descended, I absolutely agree, and I believe that is exactly not only what is happening, but what is going to happen.
And all I can suggest to the listeners is beware of anybody who stands in front of you and says, I am the Messiah, the Savior, descendant of this or that.
Anyone who portrays himself at this time to be the leader, the savior, the chosen one, the anointed one.
If anyone deserves the title Antichrist, or at least I prefer the title Anti-Mankind, those are the individuals who are out there.
And unfortunately, there are far too many of them out there.
Well, I was extremely surprised, but again, very, very proud to just recently, just two weeks before the, excuse me, after the accident occurred, I had been invited to attend a gathering of elders based, the premise of the conference was to talk about the star knowledge, about the wisdom of star beings, etc.
And again, not being someone who has any official status or position, I don't have any titles, to be invited to address the elders of Native America as well as the general public, to be on the podium with people like Wallace Black Elk and several other very noted and respected elders.
You know, I found it quite an interesting paradox or contradiction because here I'm denied any status or position within my own tribe, and I'm not petitioning or asking for that.
I can live quite well with that fate.
But to be then invited by other elders to stand with them and address this, I was very, very proud.
Obviously, I was not able to attend the conference.
I was very disappointed.
But what I would say is that by and large, those individuals, the elders who are holding the star knowledge, one of the things I have discovered after the fact is that they did not attend the conference, that they themselves have had some difficulties.
In fact, one of the elders who did speak at the conference, I was called just last week and was advised that he is missing.
You never know what I'm going to be talking about.
I never know.
unidentified
This is more fascinating than you realize because everything I read, I'm pushing 70 now and hadn't thought about the Templars for many years.
And this morning I think about it, as I said, I'm repeating myself.
But it was general consensus.
I was led to believe that the Order of Templars ended, died in Malta about 1500.
And here is your guest saying that they are alive and well, and for whatever purpose they are here, they're here in the second half of the 20th century.
Yep.
And God bless us.
I was always fascinated, but now I'm going to start again.
Maybe there's some new research being done, some new...
Well, we have Copies of the initial, again, it was in a report form that we sent to Europe, and we have the original, and we have had several people, other researchers, in fact, who have called us.
And if truly one wants to delve into what has got to be, I mean, the word controversial does not.
I suppose actually I would like to find out from your listeners.
And we just recently sent a mailer out to the individuals who are on our mailing list and said, okay, would you really like to know this?
And it's, I mean, what we have talked about tonight is not even the tip of the iceberg of the blasphemy sacrilege that we get into into the papers.
I'm sure.
And I will say that, yes, effectively, the Knights were supposed to have been disbanded, supposed to have disappeared in the 1400s.
But in fact, the evidence shows that the family behind the Templars, those who created and benefited by their existence, that family is alive and well, and again, most obviously connected with the priory that's beyond, the one in France.
And so, though the Templars per se may not exist, in fact, the power behind them, the actual real-life human beings behind them, are in existence.
They are alive and well, and they are extraordinarily powerful too.
I mean, this last month has been very agonizing for me, not only physically, but again, do we publish this?
Do we tell the people what the research is?
And I thank you for the question earlier about faith.
For me, it's not an article of faith.
It's a matter, here's the information.
Please let us not crucify the messengers.
Let me allow you simply to present to you the information, and then you deal with it as you wish.
And certainly, I mean, I know the contents that are in here, and my wife agonized about this all month long.
And because of the content, because of even the possibility that we would publish it and the backlash that would come out of it, that's one of the reasons that motivated us to simply say, look, no more in the public eye.
I have been very fortunate to be with you in the past, sir, and we've talked about hip-hop and prophecy.
Some of the phone calls that we have gotten there were certainly, as you described at one point, I have been scolded both gently and harshly.
That, as you said, does not compare to what our research has found.
And I find this a mixed baggage.
It's a blessing and a curse because for me, I have suddenly had several historical problems unlocked.
And it directly ties into what is happening today, 1996, 1997, what is occurring.
And I cannot tell you how difficult it is to be sitting on this material and not know whether I want to publish this or not.
I am so glad that I finally got through the Art Bell show to you because you just seem to be on my whole mental wavelength of things that I myself have been doing and studying and researching.
And I also lived in Arizona, rather, and I'm going back there.
I didn't hear the first part of the show too much caught the last half hour because I just got off of work.
He's a contemporary and wrote a quite extensive history of the Hebrews.
He was actually a general who had served with the Roman army, distinguished himself to the point where he was accorded honors, and then in his retirement, he began to detail quite extensively the history of the Hebrews at that time.
And he was a contemporary of Jesus at that time, yeah.
unidentified
Don't you find it odd that there was little recount of anyone named Jesus in all his writings?
Well, that's one of the things that occurs in college when you get into religious studies.
Josephus, who was a remarkable man and who recorded some of the most minute events, transactions, business dealings, who was very, I mean, his published works go into the hundreds and hundreds of pages.
And being a contemporary of Jesus, one of the difficulties with the scholars who are studying Josephus is that there is essentially only one paragraph that has any mention of Jesus.
And because of the way the letter flows, it is very obvious that somebody inserted that paragraph after the fact.
And so you're correct.
It's quite, I think, disconcerting for anyone who considers themselves to be a biblical scholar and a believer in Christianity that the most, what's the word I want to say?
He published so much, does not say anything about Jesus.
That is a very disconcerting fact.
And let me also go on record of saying that I have never suggested that Jesus was real in the sense that it has been portrayed in the general public eye.
I believe, and I think most researchers will agree, that the myth of a figure named Jesus has been exaggerated and it has been contorted in order to serve the purposes of a faith, which I really, I suppose I have challenged it.
I am not persuaded that Jesus, the persona in the Bible, or excuse me, in the New Testament, existed.
I do believe that there was an individual who the Essenes referred to as the teacher of righteousness.
I do believe there was a figure at that time.
But one of the difficulties with contemporary scholars in their research is that they will often take a name as Mary or a name like Yahshu or even Moses and consider it to be in fact a name when in fact it's a title.
It is appropriate to a priestess or a priest or a teacher.
And so I'm going to suggest that Yahshua or the figure that we call Jesus, that is in fact a title and not a name.
Robert, we're about bottom of the hour, but I want to try this one out.
If I had you on the rock right now, and I had a nice sharp instrument, I was beginning to slice open your belly and expose your innards so that you might see them yourself and telling you, either you embrace Jesus now and renounce everything you have said that you believe you have discovered and apparently believe, or we're going to start pulling out the pieces here until you either decide or expire one of the two.
Would you be busily renouncing or would you be busily holding on till the very end?
But essentially, what the evidence is continuing to suggest, that somewhere in mankind's evolution, it was tampered with by beings from, again, whether one calls them the heavens, the stars, whatever one chooses.
And I absolutely agree with the premise that our research up until less than two months ago was all headed in that direction to try to portray this very same story, to try to document this story.
I simply could not foresee that in trying to bring it into contemporary time so that we could address whether or not mankind has been tampered with in the past.
How does that reflect on our present-day situation?
I could not foresee that that would lead us to the Templar Knights.
And again, just as a teaser, the Templar Knights do draw, and the family behind them do draw their origins from a divine essence in the stars.
We have some people in an office who will be taking care of the calls.
We do have a new number.
A lot of people who have reached in the past have the old number, but our new number, which is the phone and fax, there's an automatic switch to accept either.
Only in that the power behind the Templars is the same power that we find behind the Freemasons.
What is most clever and most devious about the family, here we go, more nails in the coffin, is that these organizations like the Free Masons, the Templar Knights, and other societies, secret societies of note, including the Illuminati, they're the front.
This secret family has been manipulating them again.
The documentation shows for thousands of years.
And so the link between the Freemasons and the Templar appears to be through the family that manipulates or utilizes, I should say, the two of them.
By the way, by the way, another point is Muslims believe that there will be an Antichrist in the near future.
Okay, this was predicted 1,416 years ago.
And I'm a Muslim.
We believe that a physical description that nobody else has is that he will be one-eyed in his right eye, okay, and that he will lead the Jews as the Messiah.
And we also believe, believe it or not, that Jesus, the true Jesus, son of Mary, will come down and kill him.
And we as well as Mr. Morningsky believe that he was not crucified on the cross, and we do revere him as a prophet, him and his mother.
In response to the last comments about the Muslim religion and some of the basic tenets that he's proposing, I am familiar with them and agree with them, not from a religious connotation, but again, from the research.
In going back to the question on the protocols of Zion, I am familiar with the writings.
My research, and again, not wanting to, right, listen to me, not wanting to upset anyone.
My research does not show that the protocols are true.
They're not real.
They seem to have been fabricated in a deliberate effort to discredit the Jewish people.
And so I'm familiar with them.
I think that there may be some things in there that are accurate.
However, I find in general they seem to be inflammatory.
Listen to me again.
But I don't support the protocols as being an accurate and a true document.
On the other hand, as I said, there may be a couple of things in there that seem to be quite accurate.
And I am trying very valiantly to practice Christian tolerance here of your views and your research.
And I would have to say that even though I know you said it in the context of what your reply would be if you were asked to renounce your beliefs under torture, I believe I was extracting his intestines.
The other thing that I'd like to say, maybe it's just my misunderstanding, but I'm unclear as to exactly what this ancient family that you continue to refer to as the family actually is according to your belief and your research.
But the evidence suggests that they have been here for much longer, that Jesus was descended of this family, but they have turned and reversed it.
They put the cart before the horse, and they're saying that this myth and legend is what gives us credibility when, in fact, they have existed for far longer than that.
So the gentleman is absolutely correct, and that's the statement that I'm making.
I also must say that, again, under the extreme circumstances that a very good friend Art Bell suggested, I would respond in a very dramatic fashion.
I do wish to, if it is deemed necessary, I do wish to apologize for that statement because as it stands, you know, by itself, I'm sure that that's going to disturb many.
I said if I were slitting your side and opening your belly and telling you to embrace Christ as Christians believe Christ to be, or, you know, we're going to yank out your intestines.
That was the context of your very controversial remarks.
I am a Christian man, and I remain so even after night after night of listening to Art Bell having people on to convince me that we probably descended from bistar creatures and that the area that I live in is soon probably going to all be underwater.
And there's just a whole lot of really terrible things that could just knock my faith all to hell, so to speak.
And I do find the things that you're saying very, very interesting, especially the way that you seem to be able to tie it into so many of the other prophecies and various religions.
Robert, I am shocked, actually shocked and surprised at the phone response, the facts response so far.
I'm really shocked.
Our first time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
unidentified
Hello.
Yes, I'd like to ask Robert Morningsky if he's referring to the Rhodian dynasty of France and if Jesus was supposedly not crucified on the cross, escaped, and went to France, and the dynasty was from Charlemagne on.
Holy Blood Holy Grail has a lot of the very, very same information that we have been working with for a long time.
I'm sure that I'm not going to put myself in any greater danger than to identify what other authors have identified as a family known as the Merovinians.
The only possible problem I may have with what you said is that apparently Jesus did not go to France, that he fled to India.
There is a remarkable author from Australia, Barbara Thiering, who has done work on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And she, in fact, found evidence in Dead Sea Scrolls that are generally not released or translated.
Evidence in the scrolls suggests that Jesus and Mary did not have a good relationship at the end, that she was very concerned for his safety, understandably so, and her family, and that there was a Passover plot, and he fled to India.
She left to France with her family, and that the Merlevignons, the secret family, as I portray them, were descended from Mary and her offspring.
And Holy Blood, Holy Grail, I think, is a must-read for anybody.
And if anyone follows that book, then perhaps the target on my forehead will get a little bit smaller, and perhaps we'll look to Europe and some other authors.
As I said, all I want to do is to present the research, let people take a look at what I'm saying.
And if they choose to reject it or set it aside, I have absolutely no problems with that at all.
The only problem I have is being shut, you know, having the door shut down or being asked to leave before I even get a chance to speak.
And that, I think, goes contrary to what the whole premise of this country and religion is about.
So you're absolutely correct.
I could be absolutely wrong.
unidentified
Indeed.
Well, the thing is, if you do believe that Caesar existed, Alexander, all the ancient manuscripts point to that fact, well, there's a mountain of evidence that points that Jesus actually did exist and he actually did die.
In fact, there's writings to prove that as far as Pilate and Herod writing each other about that, there's two manuscripts that verify that: one from the sixth, seventh century, and the other one is in France, if you're familiar with those writings.
Also, I could go through an entire list here.
Clement, Tralion, in addition to the scripture, there's a mountain of evidence about Jesus.
Do believe, as the opening statement in the very first book that I put out that suggests that we've been deceived, misled all along.
And certainly for every book that one finds that supports one concept, you can find one that suggests that it is false.
I understand that.
And that's why all I can suggest to the gentleman and to your listeners is let us just simply put all of that out on the table and allow the public to read, to pick and choose whatever is out there, and then allow them to decide.
I suggest that that is what free will and destiny is about.
And so I will be the first one in public to say, accept nothing that I say, believe none of it.
Simply read it, and then you entertain it, and then you make a decision.
But the gentleman is correct.
I may be wrong, but then again, we must say he might be wrong, too.
I started out the show this morning not exactly knowing the direction that we were going.
Was kind of shocked when I figured out the direction that we were obviously going.
And now I'm intrigued by the response, by what you're saying, the way you've said it, by the fact that you've got Schneck out 100 miles, by the fact that you have effectively ended your career as you have known it, changed your life, may end up being the modern-day Soman Roushdi here in America.
And it's a rough, tough position to be in.
And while I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, I am intrigued by it, Robert.
And I am surprised at the guts that you've got, not the ones we've spread on the table here, the ones to come on the radio and do this.
Well, I have to thank you again very much for the opportunity to share some time with you and to talk to the public.
I think you really do, and pardon me for a moment, but I really do believe you personify individuals who are willing to listen to any side of any issue, regardless of how extreme it might be.
And so your work is exemplary, and I got to thank you for it.
And again, if there's going to be a venue that's going to afford me an opportunity to say a few parting words, I'm very honored and pleased to have been able to share this time and with you.
Well, the question that was posed, you know, why didn't we address that, number one, simply the time constraints and the need to focus on essentially one topic, I will not exclude so many organizations that throughout our history have been, you know, labeled as either secret societies or cultic societies.
The time is part of the restraint.
Some of these groups get rather radical, and I know it may sound strange coming from me, but I do try to be very skeptical and deal with information that we can verify from several sources.
And so while the individual who sent the facts is probably correct in that these societies do influence and continue to influence, our topic, as we began this evening, was with the Knights Templar and time and focus simply don't permit.
And then this, Art, those so-called religious persons who would censor or obliterate, there's a word for you, that's close to liquidate, I guess.
Obliterate your guests are really betraying the weakness of their own faith.
Real faith can stand firm in the winds of deception, doesn't need to try to silence them.
Your guest work is not correct, but neither is Christendom.
The truth is a little of both.
There really was a Christ, a real person, but the one presented by Christendom has been so watered down, effeminated, and politically corrected that he no longer represents the true Son of God.
If you want to know what the real Christ was and is like, he's right there in the Bible, not in the churches.
I don't disagree that the true image of the teacher that appeared at that time has been completely distorted.
I don't disagree with that at all.
Again, you know, I simply offer my research, and, you know, I think you need to sit down with the radical writings of Morning Sky, the Bible, the Koran, and all of these books, and every individual has to weigh them for themselves.
Yes, there's always, when you don't know, when somebody hit you and ran, what the hell do you know, except that a crime has been committed in the running?
And also the esoteric and the secular meanings behind all the imagery that's in the Bible?
Our resources come from all over the United States.
I do have a source coming out of Australia that has provided as best as is possible ancient interpretations, the linguistic interpretations of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Again, you know, you're subject to the researcher and their interpretation of our particular phrase or a word.
So I am familiar with it.
I am very fortunate in that I have Native American background.
I've worked with the Aborigines, the Maoris, other Native people throughout the planet, and that has played a very, very big part in, one, assisting me in unraveling a lot of the prophecies that we find around the planet.
But the prophecies and the work that I had been doing up to less than two months ago supports dramatically what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls and what is occurring now.
So I find myself overwhelmed with what is coming out of all of this.
There is an indirect line through Mary, is the way I would put it.
One of the things that has come out in our research, and this is not just in the last few months, but in the last couple of years, is that, in fact, the oldest religions of man are all based on a mother goddess.
They are a female-oriented religion.
And the Knights of Malta, the Templar Knights, the Freemasons, all the societies, if you examine their writings very carefully, in fact, they have an orientation towards a woman, towards a goddess as opposed to a god.
And so, yes, there are links from Templar Knights to the Knights of Malta back to a very, very ancient religion based on a mother goddess.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Good morning.
unidentified
Oh, yes, Artem Carmen from San Francisco.
I have a couple of questions.
Fire away.
I read an article in Procession Magazine by Morningsky, and he referred to a group of beings from Sirius that were a dog-like race.
And I wanted to know, in the first question, I wanted to know, how does this connect with Sitchin saying that they were from Nimeru and looking more like human beings?
Was that symbolic, or was that an actual likeness in your article that they look like dog-like beings?
Okay, number one, the article that was in Perceptions magazine, and I am an admirer of the magazine, I did not write it.
It was written by a lady who I have respect for up in the Northwest.
The individuals that I talk about, the beings that I talk about from the star system, Sirius, I have portrayed them or suggested that they are descended from a canine-type race.
However, they are humanoid.
Okay.
And so it does not in any way conflict with Mr. Sitchin, who I really admire.
I believe he's an unrecognized scholar.
unidentified
Okay, and so the second part of the question is the planet Sirius, how does it connect with the planet Nibiru?
And my understanding, and unfortunately, I wish I had more contact with the gentleman, I am not sure when he suggests the return of Nibidu occurs.
But in a book that we published a few months ago called Prophecy, in it we link the blue star Kachina, the Mesopotamian goddess, the sun disk of the Egyptians, and Nibidu.
We have an entire linguistic study on Nibidu and how, in fact, the term Nibidu is what gave birth to the term Nephilim, which is obviously a biblical term referring to the sons of the gods of long ago.
And so I hesitate almost to mention it in a very, very brief time.
But Nibidu, I suggest, is linked with the Hailbop comet, which is linked with Hopi prophecies, which ties in dramatically well with Mr. Sitchin's work.
I do not disagree with virtually anything he says.
What we do disagree on are just minor interpretations of some old words.
He was a very odd individual, a priest that was assigned to essentially the outskirts, the perimeters of France.
He was assigned to this parish.
And prior to his arrival, he was very poor.
He had difficulty surviving.
But in attempting to rebuild a chapel, a church that was in his domain, the story is that he discovered in the ruins of this church several parchment scrolls.
And on these scrolls was a genealogy.
He approached his superior, a cardinal, who, excuse me, a bishop, who then instructed him to go to Paris, I believe, to speak to some holy church authorities there.
They examined the parchments.
When he came back to his tiny little parish, he was suddenly a very wealthy man.
A bank in Paris assigned him an agent to take care of his business affairs.
He was a very enigmatic priest who went from extraordinary poverty to extreme wealth.
One of the most curious things about him is that when he passed away on January the 17th, he was 65 years, I believe, 65 years of age.
He was quite healthy.
As a matter of fact, his village had just toasted his good health and how extremely healthy he was for a man of his age.
However, he suddenly dies on January 17th of a stroke, and the mystery is deepened when it is uncovered in Holy Blood and Holy Grail.
It is uncovered that his housekeeper, the woman who worked for him, ordered his coffin five days before his death.
Yet his heart attack, his stroke, was an accident.
And so the mystery deepens about Sonye.
And it appears, at least from what they are suggesting, the information that's coming out, is that he accidentally discovered these scrolls that lead us to believe that there is a secret genealogy of the family of Jesus.
I agree with the authors of the book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, that this appears to be a deliberate manipulation of the fact that there is a deliberate effort to release this genealogy in what more dramatic way than to have a priest discover them in the ruins of a church.
And we were talking about the Sphinx, and we had revealed to us the fact, leaked to us, I guess, the fact that there are nine chambers that have just been discovered below the Sphinx.
Graham Hancock believes there will be information contained therein that will change the nature of the world.
Everything we believe, every path we have been on, he believes will be called into question as having been the wrong path, meaning we're still on the wrong path now.
Yeah, I had a feeling you were going to.
Let us delve into that when we come back.
But from the high desert, you're listening to live talk radio.
The Crusaders, Knights Templar, Knights Malta, Knights Platonic came along in the 10th century.
The Knights Templar are still carrying a grudge because Pope Clement V was persuaded to abolish the order, gave their wealth to the King of France.
Be careful, Art.
You are talking to an anti-Christ.
I am part Indian Cherokee, and those Indians have weird beliefs.
By the way, I believe the saying is, if you divulge any secrets that you have learned here, may your bowels be ripped from your body and shoved down your throat.
Otherwise, I take it, Robert, you're having a good day.
And one of the things that I am most pleased about in response to the fact is that those things that we have been talking about tonight are in full public view.
Other authors have written about them, and so I am revealing no secrets.
I am simply taking pieces and putting them together and saying, take a look at how they fit.
My very quick response is that obviously the speed of light and the technology that we deem to be appropriate to the universe is all based on earthly physics and earthly observations.
I would simply suggest that the rules which we believe apply to the universe are very, very narrow and the perspective is inaccurate and the speed of light can be exceeded, whether one calls it time warp.
The interpretation that has led to such, I believe, confusion is again addressed in Holy Blood, Holy Grail, and we've done it in our work in prophecy in this new paper.
The term that was originally applied to Mary was literally sangral.
But the term is two words.
It's sangre, S-A-N-G-R-E, which means blood, and real, which is royal.
She was the carrier of the sangreal.
The difficulty is that in time, the interpretation became san, S-A-N, which does mean, in fact, saintly, but then graal, which was interpreted as grail.
So it is a misinterpretation.
The Holy Grail is a misinterpretation of the royal blood, royal blood, sangre real.
And authors Baysianly and Lincoln do a very good presentation of that material in their book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
So it is true that it appears that the so-called cup, chalice, or grail was not, in fact, a physical goblet, that it in fact referred to Mary and that she was the holder of the holy blood, of the royal blood of Jesus.
If he's asking for my opinion, I would suggest that the disciples, as well as numerous, you know, hundreds of thousands of people throughout our history have been willing to accept guilt and or blame in order to save someone.
For example, and I'm not saying that this is true, but in the example, excuse me, in the movie Spartacus, at the very end, the hundreds of slaves stand up and claim to be Spartacus in an effort to spare Spartacus his life.
And so in the sense that they assume the lie, I am Spartacus, they went to their death for the cause they believed in.
So one could say they died for a lie.
They died pretending they were Spartacus.
However, I think that if people die for a cause, they die because they believe in it.
The problem with that is sometimes what people believe in is not accurate.
So I guess my position is the semantics.
I don't believe anybody dies for a lie.
I believe that they die for causes which may be inaccurate.
It's always, for me, and this is my prejudice, it's always so enheartening to find someone else who is of a primitive society who supports what we're doing.
So thank her very, very much.
I am not sufficiently knowledgeable of this individual that she spoke of to be able to make a comment.
And so with great apologies, I simply can't answer.
Okay, you're going to have to yell at us, I guess.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
Well, I have so many questions.
Robert, first of all, I want to say I haven't studied or done research on the things that you're talking about, but I've developed a worldview that I feel is similar to what you're talking about.
And to me, it has led to political activism.
It has led to trying to do things to protect the people that I care about, which are the people who are in the position that I've been.
There is so much that is involved, so many different groups, organizations, societies, the myriad.
It's a dummy corporation inside a dummy corporation, et cetera, et cetera.
But basically, I think if we look at the overall view, and again, again, I'm really oversimplifying here, but the power that controls the planet, whether one deems it terrestrial or extraterrestrial, the power that controls this planet are in the hands of a very precious few.
And the way in which they succeed is that we, the general public, are taught to accept and never question and never challenge.
We are not taught, in fact, to use our minds, the very gift which, if everyone believes in a God, we are given a mind which we are then not permitted to use.
And as I used to say in all my workshops, accept nothing.
Challenge everything.
Up is down, black is white, and everything you've ever been taught is a lie.
One of the things that we had put in the second coming conspiracy in these papers is a linguistic study that shows, in fact, that the very earliest terms applied to male and female have been reversed.
And so without getting into it in depth, those human beings who we today refer to as males, in the very ancient societies, that individual was a female.
In other words, the sex roles, the names, the appellations have been reversed.
That's why when you go into the classroom and you ask a question that may plague the teacher to some extent, the first thing she says is don't get smart.
That's our position, and I have spoken to two other researchers who are known on a global scale.
And the question that we have is, do you tell the public joining the United States?
And you're absolutely correct.
I mean, what we have talked about this evening and what we have presented in our workshops is not even close to being the tip of the iceberg of what the research shows.
And so I don't want to take away from the world its faith, its belief systems, what it accepts to be true.
And what you're going to need to do is find a good publisher, one who will go for it, publish the book, find a nice Central American country where you can sit and enjoy and collect royalties for years to come.
You know, Robert, have you ever thought that you ought to change it to star because they just want to call you a star?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
Well, you're indeed the star of the show, so that's probably where that subconscious contract comes.
A quick reference to an earlier remark about Christendom and its martyrdom in the past.
I can only reference to the present time in Vietnam when friends of mine, comrades of mine, died, thinking and believing they were fighting for the right reason, only for us in the living to find out later, some 20 years later, that there was much political intrigue, if you know what I'm saying.
20 years has not changed a damn thing, and those people who gave their lives gave them valiantly and gave them with cause.
unidentified
And right, right, art, the right correct art.
And what I'm just suggesting is that when I was very young going into the service, as many of us do in any country, we are perhaps induced to do so only to find out later that there was slightly a twist in the operation and not to demean the reason and cause for which we died for.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
unidentified
Hello.
Yes, hello.
My only question is, I don't really see where the conflict is between the Bible or Christians and what Mr. Morningsky is saying in terms of if a Christian says that Jesus died, therefore he could have had children, he can't be a Christian because the Bible says that Jesus didn't die.
Robert, again, thank you for staying on because the last hour after this incredible four hours plus now, I would have just been answering questions that you should have been answering.
And I'd be sitting here saying, well, that's a question you should be asking Mr. Morning Sky.
I'm just absolutely surprised, but at the same time, I am so, so pleased and enhearted when I know that there are people that are out there who can listen to, obviously, what is controversial material and they can see that some of it makes sense, or at least perhaps I'm optimistic that they can see sense in it.
I just want to say that, like, the last year, it's great to hear someone like Robert talking, because the last year, a bunch of my friends and I have been talking about there's so much stuff that we have to unlearn, you know, that we've been taught our whole lives.
And I just wanted to say that I think all that information should be out there for the public to hear, you know.
At the end of the last hour, you said that a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it.
That's right.
And I think that's kind of harmful in itself, too, because there's a lot of people out here.
In fact, turn it into sort of a question for you, Robert, and that is, if everything is a lie and everything should be challenged and everything is roughly backwards from the way that we think we know it, then what he said is true.
As a matter of fact, when we were doing the quest, the vision quest for the various individuals, you know, over the last year that I've been very fortunate to be in contact with, one of the first things that we told him was, you're going to have to unlearn everything you have taught.
That's just to get you back to ground zero so that then you can turn around and take a look at what is really out there.
So Zeb is remarkably insightful.
You do have to unlearn.
That's absolutely correct.
The difficulty is, as you and I, because I have the feeling that Zeb is a relatively young man and he's very fortunate.
Your experience and mine tends to lead us to the conclusion that the world probably isn't ready.
On the other hand, I think we need to put the material out there.
And that's what I hope, that's what my wife and I are hoping will happen, is that we have an opportunity to print all of this stuff at least one last time and let the public take a look at it and then let them judge after that.
Well, there is a lot of debunking about it, but if you watch the Silent Witness, NASA and all kinds of other scientists absolutely are convinced that this was the burial clock of Christ.
And one other thing is he mentioned that he believes that all this information was fabricated.
So isn't it also conceivable that the fabrication that Christ wasn't who he said he was or the scriptures are not correct is also fabricated to create like a double whammy.
In other words, to debunk the faith of the Christians and also bring a large following of people to the so-called Antichrist.
That's absolutely correct.
And my position, again, as I stated much earlier in the program, is that I have a newspaper background and I am not comfortable with making a statement or accepting a statement until I have three separate and distinct sources that aren't going to affect one another.
And we believe that we have found sources in Europe, in Egypt, and believe it or not, even in Native America that support the conclusions that we've come to.
So you're absolutely correct.
Virtually any statement, anything written, anything videotaped can be altered, distorted, or a complete fabrication.
That's why I think it is necessary to look at as many sources as possible so that one is comfortable with the conclusion.
And so the gentleman is correct.
We have at least three to four sources on all of our documentation, and that's why I'm a little more comfortable.
But that's what we believe: that the Bible is from God, and we don't care what happened during the time that what you're talking about, about the pyramids or whatever, we still believe that Bible is from God, and whatever is found, we still believe it, and we can care less of whatever is found anywhere.
The trans-universal idea of, you know, people from another place being here.
It's real easy for me to see that this planet could have just easily been an exile prison, so to speak, and left here.
And this whole idea of these formed religions is kind of like a life-chasing way to get out of prison.
Appease the warden, and maybe we'll go back.
And after the last 5,000 documented years, it's been diluted and corrupted so bad that we have a bunch of people running around, you know, insanely with this idea.
And what I'd like to know is has that crossed your concept of what's gone on, what's going on in regards to this being like a penal colony?
Well, originally, it's being a penal colony, and the whole concept of the it's it's a very intriguing thought.
Our research, and again, I have to stress that a lot of where my material came from were from the ancient myths and legends of primitives across the globe.
I don't want to say just Native Americans.
And then it was a process of going through and taking linguistic analysis, comparing them, finding the patterns, and seeing what common threads there were.
And what we have uncovered seems to be more in line with, for example, what Mr. Sitchin has suggested, that there wasn't a deliberate colonization effort here and that man is essentially a slave, a beast created to serve the gods.
However, because of our unique situation, we have found that there were ancient civilizations that predated even the existence of Earth.
There were civilizations on Mars and Venus, including the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.
There was an additional planet that obviously doesn't exist any longer now where the asteroid belt was.
And so the idea that you present is plausible.
It perhaps is a slightly different way of saying that we are servants to the gods.
Perhaps I don't know about prisoners to a warden.
Actually, it kind of works in my mind, but the whole story isn't quite that.
First, on a short wave one time, I heard excerpts of the Augnier portion of a BBC documentary on the Templars in France, and I wonder if you know about that.
And also, what about the spearhead of Maginas, I think it is, in the museum in Vienna?
The Sphere of Aquinas, I'm only just vaguely familiar with.
There are several myths and legends about it that intrigue me, but I have not researched it per se.
There is a contact that we have in France.
As a matter of fact, one of the last parting shots that I will present to the world is there is a documentary crew out of France who has offered to videotape this information on the Templar Knights and some other things.
And it's going to be produced in France.
And this very same group, I have requested additional information, both audio and video, that are apparently available in Europe, but they're not available in the United States.
I am aware of some of those materials.
I believe part of what I received in the mail a couple of months ago may very well have been, as I said, the material available over there, but which we can't get here in the land of the free.
Yes, I am afraid, Robert, I disagree with you because I saw this show, well, it's been some months ago about the crucifixion, Jesus Christ, and, by Lord, there were two doctors on the show, and the immense pain, suffering, you wouldn't believe it.
It's absolutely phenomenal.
Maybe four to six hours a person could live, and they're dead.
I hear varying versions who interprets a couple of days.
No, no, no.
Actually, it's a matter of hours.
If one looks at the Hebrew, excuse me, at the Jewish law and the Roman law, apparently he had to have been taken down on the very same evening that he was crucified.
And so I am not making this judgment call.
I am going by some of the Jewish researchers and others who suggest that he was only up for less than a day and depending on the individual hours.
And so, again, I don't disagree that there was a crucifixion.
With apologies, I'm not familiar with this individual.
I can sit and quote some of the authors and the researchers if you would like, certainly Bayt Lee Lincoln, Barbara Thearing, several researchers who are probably nameless, but the individual that she named, I am not familiar with.
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A lot of people call him the Messiah.
He's been teaching, you know, a lot of things that you're saying about angelic beings or aliens, reading with the human race and us being a part of them.
A lot of what you're saying, he's been teaching for well over 25 years.
It's really not something new to people who read his teachings.
He's written over hundreds of books that can date back to 20 years ago where you can get the same information from.
And it seems like about the Shit New Bureau or the Planet New Bureau, he's from Planet Ritz and the Orion Nebula.
And it seems like a lot of what you're saying is a lot of what he's written about.
So a lot of people out there with a lot of questions, I think that if they do want to find out the answers to their questions, a lot of questions that I've heard asked are answered in his book.
Well, I touched lightly on it earlier to another question.
You know, what are we going to do?
My first suggestion is that one pick up every book, every piece of information, anything that one finds, you know, either piques their interest or is important to them.
I would read everything.
Certainly, if this gentleman that the previous caller mentioned, I'm not familiar with the works, but I'd say read this individual, Zachariah Switchin, Robert Balvell, Graham Hancock, Colin Anderson.
Go to Australia, read some of their researchers.
And so my initial reaction is don't accept anybody.
Ask about everything.
Because point of fact, I believe that the elders of the world, whether they be white, black, red, or yellow, whatever the culture of society, I think the elders all have but pieces of the puzzle.
I think you need to look at all of the pieces and see what kind of picture it makes, as opposed to just one culture, one society, one tribal domain.
And so I'd say accept nothing, challenge everything.
And I think once you examine everything that's out there, your internal truth will react to what is appropriate to you.
So probably become aware and challenge everything.
That's a good question in the sense that I suppose some people could personify them as that, and some people, I think, have tried, but I find nothing to suggest that they're, and satanic, I'm assuming, is either devil worship or reverence or satanic ritual.
There's no evidence that we have found that indicates that they're satanic at all.
Yeah, and Graham seems to be going more towards religion now than what I would expect a scientist to do from the way he was talking and the way he was ending up saying we have to find ourselves and look for a true meaning.
And I was raised a Catholic, and from what you're saying, Mr. Alcoholi Bob because I said morning star, morning.
But what really amazes me is if it's like Roswell, if the people that want to hide Roswell give you all kinds of false truth, if during Jesus' time, they put out people to change the story to get him against the people so they would crucify.
And would you think at that time that they would have people writing erroneous stories so it would go down, that they didn't want to be the people that had killed?
This person, if he was really who this person was, and that they would be putting out misinformation like that.
It's, it's uh, I mean, it's just common sense, I believe.
And so yes, I agree, and and uh, I gotta tell you that I am an admirer of Graham Hancock and, on the the, the sheer fate of all of this was that I was uh going to get on a plane the very next day to go to uh Dartmouth College and to be on the venue with Graham Hancock.
I cannot tell you how really sorry I am that I was not able to get on the plane to go be with him.
So I am an admirer and I really do believe that our research uh is coming from the same place.
Perhaps we very slighten in the conclusion of where we're going with it but um, I am an admirer and I i'm sorry that I missed this program last night.
As far as the theorists go, my understanding, there are several writings, and I writings, I mean books.
Apparently there was a teacher in India subsequent to the time or just after the time of the crucifixion, known as Isa ISSA, and apparently this was a teacher, a healer, someone who attended the mystery schools, and it is remarkably close this individual to the persona of Jesus as portrayed in the Bible, in the New Testament.
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And so, and does he say anything about Christ's relationship with Buddhism when he was there?
For example, apparently in the earliest of writings, Jesus did believe in incarnation, which is obviously a very Buddhist thought, but that did not make it into the Bible.
I'm sure people can come up with numerous stories of the Council OF Nicaea and others who rewrote the Bible in order to perpetuate the myth, and so, I apologize, I don't recall the author's name.
If you want to call the office in the next couple of days, we can look up the individual who wrote the book on the, the teachings of Isa, remarkable man who lived in India just after the ISSA.
Someone who was actually very instrumental in my beginning this lecture tour about a year and a half ago.
I've got to tell you, Sparky, that's a question that is tormenting me, and I look forward to sitting down with you and talking about it.
I'll tell you what I'm most concerned about.
I don't want my daughter to lose her father.
And if you, if your listeners, if anybody out there has a way, and certainly arts, the possibility of a truly demented publisher who would be willing to take these works and to put them in print so that I could suck away.
If anyone is familiar with someone, please, I really could use the help.
But at this point, this argument with this automobile is awfully persuasive that I need to, at least, as I'm doing now, get out of the public eye.
I'm going to continue to write so long as public support is there, but, you know, it's...
And I can't get the radio show in my house, unfortunately.
But I am going to be phoning your number, Robert, to get some more information because I asked about if you have a Canadian distributor, because I do sell metaphysical books and that type of thing.
And this is just right up my reader's alley.
And you made a very brief reference to a couple of very brief references to the Freemasons.
And I was wondering, is there any more of a connection there that you were trying to get through?
Again, my family, my daughter, and of course others that I care about.
And I will do what I can.
this program has gone, I mean, it's played no small part in convincing me that, you know, my estimation of mankind is true, that we really are a compassionate race, and we really do want the truth, and we're tired of the garbage that we've been fed.
And I thank you very, very much.
You really were the first phone call that I accepted this morning, and I'm so pleased to be able to talk with you and to share with you.